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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,809 --> 00:00:20,854 If we could go back to the scene of the crime now, 2 00:00:20,937 --> 00:00:23,898 with DNA and forensic investigations, 3 00:00:23,982 --> 00:00:26,067 it'd be a much different crime scene. 4 00:00:31,322 --> 00:00:32,490 It's 1990. 5 00:00:33,033 --> 00:00:34,951 You had Boston Police first on scene. 6 00:00:35,577 --> 00:00:38,496 By the time the FBI gets there, the scene's been disturbed. 7 00:00:42,917 --> 00:00:44,794 So, I was very interested in 8 00:00:44,878 --> 00:00:47,005 where's the evidence, what's the evidence, 9 00:00:47,088 --> 00:00:50,508 and I'd like to review it to understand what happened. 10 00:00:55,638 --> 00:00:58,516 We knew that the thieves took the VHS tape... 11 00:00:59,809 --> 00:01:01,061 the night of the robbery, 12 00:01:01,144 --> 00:01:03,772 but I wanted to know if we had the prior VHS tapes. 13 00:01:04,481 --> 00:01:07,734 That's what I went to. I got the tape, went to the night before. 14 00:01:07,817 --> 00:01:11,237 I wanted to see, "How does opening the outside door work?" 15 00:01:22,457 --> 00:01:24,000 You can see a car pull up. 16 00:01:24,584 --> 00:01:27,045 You can't really tell what kind of car it is. 17 00:01:33,134 --> 00:01:35,011 You can see an individual get out. 18 00:01:35,512 --> 00:01:39,516 I couldn't tell what they were wearing. They could've been in a police uniform. 19 00:01:41,726 --> 00:01:43,853 There should be no way they're getting in. 20 00:01:43,937 --> 00:01:45,230 That's a locked door. 21 00:01:45,313 --> 00:01:46,731 There's a guard there. 22 00:01:47,524 --> 00:01:49,692 And the protocol is nobody gets in. 23 00:01:52,445 --> 00:01:54,280 Rick was working that night. 24 00:01:58,201 --> 00:02:00,036 The person was just buzzed right in. 25 00:02:02,247 --> 00:02:03,623 Right through both doors. 26 00:02:04,916 --> 00:02:07,752 The night of the robbery, it happened the same way. 27 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:10,046 That struck me as odd. 28 00:02:22,684 --> 00:02:23,852 Was it organized crime? 29 00:02:25,019 --> 00:02:26,688 Was it a crime of opportunity? 30 00:02:28,022 --> 00:02:29,482 Was it an inside job? 31 00:02:42,412 --> 00:02:44,539 They said, "Boston Police." 32 00:02:45,748 --> 00:02:47,292 And I buzzed them in. 33 00:02:49,085 --> 00:02:52,881 Boston, a quiet museum, a daring robbery. 34 00:02:52,964 --> 00:02:56,092 I'm the guy who opened the door. They're looking at me. 35 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:58,386 The biggest art heist in history. 36 00:02:58,469 --> 00:03:00,513 The 13 art treasures stolen 37 00:03:00,597 --> 00:03:02,640 are worth a half a billion dollars. 38 00:03:03,349 --> 00:03:05,852 Take a look at these composite drawings. 39 00:03:05,935 --> 00:03:08,438 There's no shortage of possible suspects. 40 00:03:08,521 --> 00:03:13,151 Gardner Museum doubling its reward up to $10 million. 41 00:03:13,234 --> 00:03:15,195 How do you eliminate people? 42 00:03:15,278 --> 00:03:17,071 Why not kill these people? 43 00:03:18,198 --> 00:03:21,034 I had no idea what I was going into. 44 00:03:21,117 --> 00:03:23,203 It was just horrifying. 45 00:03:23,286 --> 00:03:27,999 The empty frames are all that remain on the museum walls. 46 00:03:54,817 --> 00:03:57,904 After the robbery, I think it was a couple of weeks. 47 00:03:59,072 --> 00:04:03,660 I'm sure I heard through the grapevine that Rick was the guy. 48 00:04:05,161 --> 00:04:07,956 And then he just showed up one day in Harvard Square. 49 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:12,418 I could tell that it was... You know. 50 00:04:12,502 --> 00:04:14,003 It was rough for him. 51 00:04:16,798 --> 00:04:18,675 He just seemed defeated. 52 00:04:19,384 --> 00:04:21,219 He told me about what happened. 53 00:04:22,553 --> 00:04:25,515 I think I asked him, I said, "Did you get fired?" 54 00:04:25,598 --> 00:04:28,309 And he said, "No, I quit, 55 00:04:28,393 --> 00:04:30,395 but the FBI wants me to hang around." 56 00:04:41,656 --> 00:04:45,285 16 Farrington was the house where Rick Abath lived. 57 00:04:49,414 --> 00:04:52,917 It was sort of a frat house kind of atmosphere in Allston. 58 00:04:54,085 --> 00:04:56,296 Sort of a college section of the city. 59 00:04:57,005 --> 00:04:58,715 And he was in a band. 60 00:04:58,798 --> 00:05:02,760 A number of the band members lived there and other friends lived there. 61 00:05:02,844 --> 00:05:04,929 And it was a bit of a party house. 62 00:05:05,013 --> 00:05:06,931 They used to put on shows. 63 00:05:09,475 --> 00:05:13,813 They're just like cool guys. You know, all long hair, hippie guys. 64 00:05:14,939 --> 00:05:18,026 They're the type of hippies that like, were good at chess. 65 00:05:19,152 --> 00:05:23,448 They hung out and they went in the basement and, you know... 66 00:05:24,282 --> 00:05:27,952 smoke weed, drink beer, and they'd rock out. 67 00:05:30,621 --> 00:05:32,540 The band was called Ukiah. 68 00:05:34,667 --> 00:05:38,379 People found good roommates and friends and it was just good. 69 00:05:38,963 --> 00:05:40,631 I was like 19 years old. 70 00:05:41,299 --> 00:05:42,884 Good times. 71 00:05:45,970 --> 00:05:49,974 At one point we were over there, it was like 11:30 or whatever, 72 00:05:50,058 --> 00:05:54,437 and he was like, "I gotta get a car to go to work." 73 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,024 And I'm like, "You're kidding. You gotta go to work now?" 74 00:05:58,775 --> 00:06:02,236 Rick Abath acknowledged that he would show up high to work. 75 00:06:04,030 --> 00:06:05,698 He says he was sober that night, 76 00:06:05,782 --> 00:06:09,327 but we know he's not someone that always plays by the rules. 77 00:06:32,016 --> 00:06:33,017 Come in... 78 00:06:33,684 --> 00:06:35,895 uh... clock in... 79 00:06:37,105 --> 00:06:38,481 There would be two guards. 80 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:49,575 Sit around, walk around, basically. 81 00:06:51,536 --> 00:06:55,248 Abath's on duty that night. The second guard, he calls in sick. 82 00:06:57,834 --> 00:07:00,628 When you hear that, you're like, a guy called in sick that night... 83 00:07:00,711 --> 00:07:04,257 It was St. Patrick's Day. Mulvey was an older guy. 84 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:09,345 I had heard that he would frequently call in sick. 85 00:07:09,429 --> 00:07:13,641 Joe Mulvey liked the job, but he didn't need the job. 86 00:07:13,724 --> 00:07:19,105 If it had rained a lot and it was treacherous to get out to his car, 87 00:07:19,188 --> 00:07:20,565 he would call off. 88 00:07:20,648 --> 00:07:23,776 But I don't know if Joe would've opened the door. 89 00:07:23,860 --> 00:07:26,696 Joe was that type of guy that would have just been like, 90 00:07:26,779 --> 00:07:30,366 "Mmm, no." "You can wait there." 91 00:07:31,909 --> 00:07:32,994 If he had come in, 92 00:07:34,078 --> 00:07:37,248 maybe the museum wouldn't have been robbed. 93 00:07:37,915 --> 00:07:41,669 And then you could say, "Okay, what about the guy who covered for him?" 94 00:07:41,752 --> 00:07:42,587 Right? 95 00:07:42,670 --> 00:07:44,172 The second guard on duty 96 00:07:44,255 --> 00:07:46,340 had never worked that shift before. 97 00:07:50,261 --> 00:07:52,847 Randy, I think, took that shift. 98 00:07:52,930 --> 00:07:56,642 I think he went that night thinking he was gonna practice trombone, 99 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:01,981 and just do a shift and hang out in the museum. 100 00:08:03,983 --> 00:08:07,904 The guy who covered had a couple hours' notice that he was working that night. 101 00:08:07,987 --> 00:08:11,532 So, yeah, again, but that was investigated. 102 00:08:11,616 --> 00:08:14,994 What is unusual is the fact they actually got in. 103 00:08:18,456 --> 00:08:20,583 That's where I get back to the man-trap. 104 00:08:21,792 --> 00:08:23,586 There's two doors, both locked. 105 00:08:24,962 --> 00:08:28,341 You get buzzed in the first door. The second door cannot open. 106 00:08:28,966 --> 00:08:31,093 The problem is you could be stuck there... 107 00:08:31,594 --> 00:08:33,429 impersonating Boston Police. 108 00:08:34,472 --> 00:08:36,724 I could see 'em on the outside camera, 109 00:08:36,807 --> 00:08:38,017 walking down the street. 110 00:08:39,227 --> 00:08:40,853 They stopped, buzzed the buzzer, 111 00:08:40,937 --> 00:08:43,898 and I just leaned over to the intercom and said, "Yeah?" 112 00:08:46,234 --> 00:08:49,737 And I buzzed them into the museum. 113 00:08:51,739 --> 00:08:55,535 The fact that this worked as planned by those two individuals 114 00:08:56,202 --> 00:08:57,703 is hard for me to believe 115 00:08:57,787 --> 00:09:01,082 if they didn't have some knowledge that they were getting in. 116 00:09:13,010 --> 00:09:14,845 Jesus Christ. 117 00:09:16,430 --> 00:09:18,683 Look at this. Bastards. 118 00:09:19,725 --> 00:09:21,352 My name is Steve Kurkjian. 119 00:09:21,435 --> 00:09:24,814 I am a retired newspaper reporter with the Boston Globe. 120 00:09:25,648 --> 00:09:27,900 I was a founding member of the Spotlight Team, 121 00:09:27,984 --> 00:09:29,110 started in 1972. 122 00:09:29,694 --> 00:09:33,656 We find out stuff, we reveal stuff, and we do it for the public good. 123 00:09:35,157 --> 00:09:36,325 There's our boy. 124 00:09:37,118 --> 00:09:39,036 Two or three months before the theft, 125 00:09:39,745 --> 00:09:42,248 he had let people into the museum 126 00:09:42,331 --> 00:09:43,666 at midnight, 127 00:09:44,625 --> 00:09:46,168 January 1. 128 00:09:46,252 --> 00:09:47,545 A New Year's Eve party. 129 00:09:48,296 --> 00:09:51,549 He is stoned and drugged out of his mind. 130 00:09:52,633 --> 00:09:54,343 He was in a psychedelic fog. 131 00:09:56,345 --> 00:09:58,472 What? It's mind-blowing. 132 00:09:59,098 --> 00:10:04,020 That the security of this palace 133 00:10:04,103 --> 00:10:06,397 with all the majesties of art, 134 00:10:07,064 --> 00:10:09,734 was left in the hands of a guy 135 00:10:09,817 --> 00:10:13,195 who was that negligent. 136 00:10:13,738 --> 00:10:15,656 Uh, it's... it's shocking. 137 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:18,451 Down to Magic. Celtics 5 and 0 this season, 138 00:10:18,534 --> 00:10:19,994 when Bird scores 40 or more... 139 00:10:24,790 --> 00:10:29,712 Maybe it was two random thieves decided to hit the Gardner that night, 140 00:10:29,795 --> 00:10:33,090 and, by a stroke of luck, they were let in. 141 00:10:34,508 --> 00:10:36,218 I have a hard time believing that. 142 00:10:37,219 --> 00:10:38,929 It's then hard for me to believe 143 00:10:39,013 --> 00:10:41,724 they would have known about the conservator's room. 144 00:10:42,308 --> 00:10:43,893 Know where the VHS tape is. 145 00:10:45,227 --> 00:10:47,063 Spend 81 minutes in the museum. 146 00:10:47,897 --> 00:10:50,566 It seemed to me they knew the police were not coming. 147 00:10:57,615 --> 00:11:02,161 Richard Abath opened the door, minutes prior to letting them in. 148 00:11:02,244 --> 00:11:05,289 He says that was his practice. That's what he always did. 149 00:11:06,957 --> 00:11:08,626 To date, I've never seen 150 00:11:08,709 --> 00:11:12,254 what a guard opening the outside door looked like on video. 151 00:11:12,338 --> 00:11:15,341 I was never able to find it on the previous six days. 152 00:11:17,426 --> 00:11:21,639 If there's two guards inside and you have security cameras and everything's alarmed, 153 00:11:21,722 --> 00:11:25,101 why are you opening that outside door even for a couple of seconds? 154 00:11:25,935 --> 00:11:29,146 No one else I talked to who did the night shift 155 00:11:29,939 --> 00:11:31,399 ever opened those back doors. 156 00:11:31,482 --> 00:11:33,776 Rick said he did it all the time. 157 00:11:33,859 --> 00:11:36,278 I haven't been able to confirm he did. 158 00:11:36,362 --> 00:11:38,155 If he's an accomplice, 159 00:11:38,239 --> 00:11:40,658 he's telling bad guys who are waiting outside, 160 00:11:40,741 --> 00:11:42,743 "I'm taking over the desk." 161 00:11:43,661 --> 00:11:46,288 Now this would make Rick a true accomplice. 162 00:11:48,958 --> 00:11:54,255 Another peculiar thing is the Chez Tortoni was taken from the first floor, 163 00:11:54,338 --> 00:12:00,136 and also its frame was left on the chair of the head of security, 164 00:12:00,219 --> 00:12:02,596 and that was viewed as a little bit of a... 165 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:04,682 ...to the head of security. 166 00:12:04,765 --> 00:12:06,183 A little bit of a snub. 167 00:12:06,267 --> 00:12:08,519 There was some question about whether that was personal. 168 00:12:10,104 --> 00:12:13,691 Rick did not have a great relationship with the security director. 169 00:12:14,567 --> 00:12:16,694 People did say Rick was a pain in the ass. 170 00:12:17,778 --> 00:12:18,946 He acknowledges. 171 00:12:19,029 --> 00:12:23,451 He said, "I was talking all the time about the security system sucks. 172 00:12:23,534 --> 00:12:24,702 We're in danger here." 173 00:12:26,787 --> 00:12:28,706 The theft was Sunday morning. 174 00:12:28,789 --> 00:12:32,001 Rick had put in his papers to move on 175 00:12:32,084 --> 00:12:33,794 just a few days before. 176 00:12:35,963 --> 00:12:38,716 Could Rick have snatched the painting 177 00:12:39,341 --> 00:12:42,136 and hid it when he went back to the desk? 178 00:12:52,855 --> 00:12:56,025 In 2013, I went to his house. 179 00:12:56,108 --> 00:12:58,235 Knocked, announced myself saying, 180 00:12:58,319 --> 00:13:00,196 "I want to talk about the museum." 181 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:02,114 And he agreed. 182 00:13:03,574 --> 00:13:09,288 We drove downtown to one of the two places in the town that allowed smoking still. 183 00:13:09,371 --> 00:13:10,790 Rick was a heavy smoker. 184 00:13:10,873 --> 00:13:12,708 I had an interview with him. 185 00:13:12,792 --> 00:13:13,959 New technology. 186 00:13:14,043 --> 00:13:17,671 I know. Let's hope it works. All right, so... 187 00:13:18,547 --> 00:13:19,548 Here we are. 188 00:13:20,966 --> 00:13:21,801 Rick... 189 00:13:21,884 --> 00:13:23,719 - Yes, we are. - Here we are. 190 00:13:24,762 --> 00:13:27,515 We talked, I think probably by 7:30, 191 00:13:27,598 --> 00:13:28,891 eight o'clock at night, 192 00:13:28,974 --> 00:13:30,768 until closing time, until midnight. 193 00:13:30,851 --> 00:13:33,103 And he told me as much as he could tell me. 194 00:13:33,187 --> 00:13:37,608 Okay, so the thing goes down. You had already given your notice? 195 00:13:38,192 --> 00:13:39,819 - Yes. - Why give your notice? 196 00:13:39,902 --> 00:13:42,571 It was getting in the way of playing with the band. 197 00:13:43,948 --> 00:13:47,451 How long do you stay in town? What happens afterwards? 198 00:13:48,244 --> 00:13:50,204 After the robbery, 199 00:13:50,287 --> 00:13:53,457 I was planning on calling in sick that next night, 200 00:13:53,541 --> 00:13:57,545 because I had tickets to the Grateful Dead shows in Hartford. 201 00:13:57,628 --> 00:14:00,631 So I left town and went down to Hartford to see the shows. 202 00:14:00,714 --> 00:14:05,052 And I had a great time, drinking and smoking reefer. 203 00:14:05,135 --> 00:14:08,472 Did a bunch of acid the first night, mushrooms the second night. 204 00:14:09,056 --> 00:14:10,766 Then I came back to Boston. 205 00:14:11,433 --> 00:14:15,437 Do you have any idea how the people who broke in 206 00:14:15,521 --> 00:14:17,898 knew about the museum security? 207 00:14:17,982 --> 00:14:18,982 No. 208 00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:23,070 You've been recently questioned by the authorities 209 00:14:23,153 --> 00:14:26,115 about the Blue Room and your... 210 00:14:26,198 --> 00:14:27,533 Let's go through all that. 211 00:14:31,662 --> 00:14:33,581 According to motion sensors, 212 00:14:33,664 --> 00:14:37,668 the guard that let the robbers in had been the last person in that room. 213 00:14:38,669 --> 00:14:42,506 The system had been reviewed by security experts right after the robbery, 214 00:14:42,590 --> 00:14:46,594 experts that are still around today in the industry and are well-respected, 215 00:14:47,177 --> 00:14:52,057 and claimed it was working as it should have, night of the robbery. 216 00:15:09,783 --> 00:15:10,784 Freeze! 217 00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:14,038 It could happen like this, capturing a thief, 218 00:15:14,121 --> 00:15:17,082 saving an irreplaceable treasure, but it probably won't. 219 00:15:17,166 --> 00:15:21,295 Incidents like these can happen any time or any place in a museum. 220 00:15:21,378 --> 00:15:23,881 Your job is to spot 'em and to know what to do. 221 00:15:23,964 --> 00:15:27,551 This film deals with security, museum security. 222 00:15:29,762 --> 00:15:31,472 Museum security is different... 223 00:15:31,555 --> 00:15:33,140 I'm Steve Keller, 224 00:15:33,223 --> 00:15:36,769 and I'm president of a company called Steve Keller Associates. 225 00:15:36,852 --> 00:15:39,313 And we're museum security consultants. 226 00:15:40,522 --> 00:15:44,068 I did a risk assessment at the Gardner Museum 227 00:15:44,151 --> 00:15:46,528 in the year prior to the theft. 228 00:15:48,656 --> 00:15:51,325 After the Gardner Museum theft, 229 00:15:51,408 --> 00:15:57,331 the museum asked if I would be able to come to Boston to test the alarms. 230 00:15:57,414 --> 00:16:03,504 I had done some walk tests of the system while I was at that visit. 231 00:16:06,423 --> 00:16:07,466 I tried everything, 232 00:16:07,549 --> 00:16:10,636 and all of those detectors detected me each time. 233 00:16:12,429 --> 00:16:14,431 How did that happen? 234 00:16:16,433 --> 00:16:20,521 How long after the theft were you there doing a walk-through? 235 00:16:21,146 --> 00:16:25,567 Uh, it was a... it was a couple of weeks. 236 00:16:33,075 --> 00:16:38,664 This is a printout of the alarm activity that occurred on that night. 237 00:16:40,666 --> 00:16:44,336 When it comes to the alarm information, 238 00:16:44,420 --> 00:16:47,673 that's the main stuff right here. 239 00:16:47,756 --> 00:16:49,883 This is the important thing, this printout. 240 00:16:53,512 --> 00:16:55,764 Have you seen this before? 241 00:16:55,848 --> 00:16:56,765 No, I haven't. 242 00:16:56,849 --> 00:17:00,310 I haven't seen the printout at all. I wish I had. 243 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:03,939 I wish they would have shared things with me, but, uh... 244 00:17:04,023 --> 00:17:04,898 you know... 245 00:17:04,982 --> 00:17:07,359 I understand how it is with the FBI. 246 00:17:08,402 --> 00:17:12,322 It appears that the investigators made notes along the columns. 247 00:17:18,954 --> 00:17:21,457 At 12:27 a.m... 248 00:17:22,750 --> 00:17:26,920 an alarm went off for a motion detector at the exit corridor, 249 00:17:27,004 --> 00:17:29,923 and then, within the minute, 250 00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:33,385 an alarm went off on the entrance corridor 251 00:17:33,469 --> 00:17:35,554 on the other side of the Blue Room. 252 00:17:36,221 --> 00:17:39,183 There's no motion detectors in the Blue Room itself. 253 00:17:39,933 --> 00:17:42,603 So it appears Rick passed through the Blue Room 254 00:17:42,686 --> 00:17:44,813 and exited within the same minute. 255 00:17:51,695 --> 00:17:53,030 At 1:24 a.m., 256 00:17:53,113 --> 00:17:57,076 the outside door to the museum on Palace Road opened. 257 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,042 And that appears to be when the thieves entered the museum., 258 00:18:06,335 --> 00:18:10,672 and then the next alarms occur at 1:48 a.m., 259 00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:13,175 which was 24 minutes later. 260 00:18:14,259 --> 00:18:18,555 Which is an awful long time to linger in one location. 261 00:18:25,354 --> 00:18:26,814 So at 1:48, 262 00:18:26,897 --> 00:18:31,360 we start to get a series of alarms on the second floor. 263 00:18:35,864 --> 00:18:39,243 The alarms occurred in the Dutch Room until 1:51, 264 00:18:39,993 --> 00:18:42,538 and then you start to see other alarms occurring. 265 00:18:42,621 --> 00:18:44,289 An alarm in the Italian Room, 266 00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:47,960 then it went to the Little Salon. 267 00:18:50,170 --> 00:18:53,507 And then there were a long series of alarms. 268 00:18:59,513 --> 00:19:01,682 There's an alarm in the Dutch Room again, 269 00:19:01,765 --> 00:19:03,892 and then an alarm in the second floor hallway, 270 00:19:04,726 --> 00:19:09,815 and then there were no further alarms for four minutes. 271 00:19:14,361 --> 00:19:17,447 But then there's an alarm in the Little Salon again. 272 00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:21,952 That just was curious to me. 273 00:19:27,124 --> 00:19:33,422 There seems to be a gap in the alarms from 2:15 to 2:23. 274 00:19:33,505 --> 00:19:35,090 It's a period of eight minutes. 275 00:19:37,384 --> 00:19:39,469 At 2:28 a.m., 276 00:19:39,553 --> 00:19:44,516 there's another 12 minute gap until 2:40 a.m. 277 00:19:49,479 --> 00:19:53,275 It appears that there were no alarms triggered on the first floor 278 00:19:53,358 --> 00:19:55,777 while the thieves were inside the museum. 279 00:19:57,613 --> 00:19:59,156 According to this printout, 280 00:19:59,239 --> 00:20:02,576 the thieves are inside the museum for 81 minutes, 281 00:20:02,659 --> 00:20:06,496 and they didn't trigger any alarms for 48 of those minutes. 282 00:20:08,207 --> 00:20:10,876 In those days, you didn't saturate the museum, 283 00:20:10,959 --> 00:20:14,922 so there might have been hallways that didn't have motion detection. 284 00:20:15,005 --> 00:20:17,966 I know they had difficulties running wires in that building. 285 00:20:18,884 --> 00:20:22,262 They also had a fire alarm that occurred that night. 286 00:20:22,346 --> 00:20:25,599 So it's very possible that they had a power glitch. 287 00:20:26,725 --> 00:20:30,520 I wish that I would have been asked about this early on, 288 00:20:30,604 --> 00:20:35,275 because it does change your understanding of what actually happened. 289 00:20:39,154 --> 00:20:41,531 Some days you'd go into a room 290 00:20:41,615 --> 00:20:45,535 just to see if the motion sensor would catch you. 291 00:20:45,619 --> 00:20:48,080 You know, they worked, but... 292 00:20:48,163 --> 00:20:51,541 they weren't 100% reliable. 293 00:20:52,417 --> 00:20:55,170 Well, apparently, me on my round 294 00:20:55,254 --> 00:20:58,423 is the last time there's any alarm in the Blue Room. 295 00:20:59,883 --> 00:21:02,511 They wanted to know how it would be possible 296 00:21:02,594 --> 00:21:05,806 for the thieves to get that painting out of that room. 297 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,517 - How they stole the Manet? - Right. 298 00:21:09,226 --> 00:21:11,395 Which is a perfectly reasonable question. 299 00:21:11,478 --> 00:21:13,897 And my answer is, I have no idea. 300 00:21:13,981 --> 00:21:14,982 Okay. 301 00:21:16,483 --> 00:21:19,653 But the likelihood of your sitting down, 302 00:21:19,736 --> 00:21:22,990 having a few beers, smoking a little dope and saying something, 303 00:21:23,073 --> 00:21:25,534 - is that about... - That's pretty likely. 304 00:21:25,617 --> 00:21:28,287 We were all bitching about the security in that place. 305 00:21:31,999 --> 00:21:33,875 For Rick to take that painting? 306 00:21:34,751 --> 00:21:35,585 No way. 307 00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:37,296 What's he gonna do with it? 308 00:21:39,256 --> 00:21:41,800 Those guys cut the other ones out of the frames 309 00:21:41,883 --> 00:21:43,885 and Rick gets to get away with that one? 310 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:45,720 Please. 311 00:21:46,847 --> 00:21:49,224 I don't wanna put anything on Rick's shoulders. 312 00:21:49,308 --> 00:21:51,143 I know Rick, he knows me. 313 00:21:51,643 --> 00:21:52,477 Um... 314 00:21:52,561 --> 00:21:54,563 If we could've charged somebody, we would've. 315 00:21:54,646 --> 00:21:57,107 So, I think that speaks for itself. 316 00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:59,818 We never made it to the point where we could charge somebody. 317 00:22:18,462 --> 00:22:20,339 I was completely panicking. 318 00:22:27,721 --> 00:22:31,016 And then I started singing, "I Shall Be Released." 319 00:22:31,099 --> 00:22:33,518 ♪ I see my light ♪ 320 00:22:34,561 --> 00:22:37,856 ♪ Come shining ♪ 321 00:22:40,817 --> 00:22:45,572 ♪ From the west down to the east ♪ 322 00:22:46,031 --> 00:22:47,657 What happened, happened. 323 00:22:48,825 --> 00:22:50,035 For some reason, 324 00:22:50,118 --> 00:22:53,205 I seem to be the only person involved in this thing 325 00:22:53,288 --> 00:22:55,290 who's not trying to figure it out. 326 00:22:56,208 --> 00:22:59,419 And that mainly comes down to I'm glad to be alive. 327 00:22:59,503 --> 00:23:06,468 ♪ I shall be released ♪ 328 00:23:11,807 --> 00:23:14,059 I think if there is a secret within him, 329 00:23:14,142 --> 00:23:17,270 he said the wrong thing unintentionally to the wrong person. 330 00:23:18,313 --> 00:23:23,068 Did the bad guys know that there was only one alarm to the outside world? 331 00:23:23,944 --> 00:23:26,738 It was known by every guard and every night watchman. 332 00:23:26,822 --> 00:23:29,324 It didn't have to be Rick who gave them that secret. 333 00:23:39,626 --> 00:23:42,504 It was mid-September 1981. 334 00:23:42,587 --> 00:23:45,424 I was acting chief of security at the time. 335 00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:50,095 I forget what day it was, but it was during the day. 336 00:23:50,178 --> 00:23:52,389 Well-dressed fellow with a briefcase came in. 337 00:23:52,472 --> 00:23:55,642 It was Detective Clark from the FBI. 338 00:23:55,725 --> 00:23:57,102 He showed his credentials. 339 00:23:57,185 --> 00:24:00,397 And when I saw the badge and the FBI thing... 340 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,065 It gets your attention. 341 00:24:08,738 --> 00:24:11,908 He said, "I just thought you would like to know that... 342 00:24:11,992 --> 00:24:13,493 somebody is casing you." 343 00:24:14,911 --> 00:24:18,999 He told me the whole story about this guy by the name of Royce. 344 00:24:19,082 --> 00:24:21,293 How this guy was an area lowlife. 345 00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:25,338 Royce is gonna throw a smoke bomb in the courtyard, 346 00:24:26,423 --> 00:24:29,176 and in the ensuing confusion 347 00:24:29,259 --> 00:24:33,930 pull the Whistler and the Matisse and, I think, the Sargent out. 348 00:24:35,182 --> 00:24:36,683 And they arrested him. 349 00:24:40,812 --> 00:24:43,023 The FBI guy, Mr. Clark, 350 00:24:43,106 --> 00:24:46,693 he said this fellow had way too much information. 351 00:24:48,695 --> 00:24:52,699 You either have someone who's willingly giving out information 352 00:24:52,782 --> 00:24:54,367 or you have a tapped resource. 353 00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:02,083 You could've had an insider friendly with organized crime, 354 00:25:02,167 --> 00:25:04,336 or owed a debt to organized crime, 355 00:25:04,419 --> 00:25:07,923 or a debt to a gambler or a drug dealer. 356 00:25:09,841 --> 00:25:11,551 And this was sort of payment. 357 00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:15,972 We'll let you in the museum or give you information. 358 00:25:16,056 --> 00:25:17,265 It could've been that. 359 00:25:17,349 --> 00:25:21,520 Boston's a small town. Everybody's related, didn't you know that? 360 00:25:21,603 --> 00:25:24,898 Of course there were people in the museum that had mob ties. 361 00:25:24,981 --> 00:25:26,066 Who didn't, right? 362 00:25:26,942 --> 00:25:29,903 I think that a lot of people had access to that place. 363 00:25:39,704 --> 00:25:42,749 Louis Royce was an active member of the Rossetti Gang. 364 00:25:42,832 --> 00:25:45,252 And they were always looking for scores. 365 00:25:45,335 --> 00:25:46,836 Banks, armored cars. 366 00:25:48,004 --> 00:25:51,550 That tells me that the Rossetti Gang knew through Louis... 367 00:25:52,592 --> 00:25:55,637 that this museum was vulnerable to a theft. 368 00:26:05,146 --> 00:26:07,857 In '81, the museum's made aware 369 00:26:07,941 --> 00:26:10,777 that vipers are in the grass and moving towards you. 370 00:26:12,862 --> 00:26:16,116 So, that would seem to me to have been 371 00:26:16,199 --> 00:26:19,661 clear indications that it's time to get up to speed. 372 00:26:20,328 --> 00:26:25,709 It was a real eye opener as to how vulnerable we really were. 373 00:26:27,043 --> 00:26:31,590 We sat down and talked with the director, who was Rollin Hadley at the time, 374 00:26:31,673 --> 00:26:34,384 and a couple of other people, and sat down and saying, 375 00:26:34,467 --> 00:26:36,678 "Here's the reality. What we gonna do?" 376 00:26:37,804 --> 00:26:41,891 I was a little taken aback that Mr. Hadley didn't take it as serious. 377 00:26:43,435 --> 00:26:46,479 His attitude was more or less, "They caught the guy, right?" 378 00:26:47,856 --> 00:26:52,402 I go, "Well, it didn't happen, but something very similar can happen." 379 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,702 It's inattention. 380 00:27:01,661 --> 00:27:03,705 One museum trustee, Arnold Hiatt, 381 00:27:04,706 --> 00:27:09,544 had been recently elevated to a trustee in the museum, 382 00:27:09,628 --> 00:27:11,755 and he said, "We have to get a new director 383 00:27:11,838 --> 00:27:15,258 who really cares about... Who's on his or her toes." 384 00:27:15,342 --> 00:27:17,093 That's what they hired in Anne Hawley. 385 00:27:22,849 --> 00:27:27,062 I took over in September of 1989, but it was practically 1990. 386 00:27:30,231 --> 00:27:32,108 It's such a beautiful environment 387 00:27:32,192 --> 00:27:36,237 that you almost pinch yourself to be there every day. 388 00:27:37,572 --> 00:27:39,949 This was being in nature and art. 389 00:27:43,578 --> 00:27:47,499 The collection, at the time, was insured for everything but theft. 390 00:27:47,582 --> 00:27:51,670 But there were lots of initiatives that I was trying to push forward. 391 00:27:53,588 --> 00:27:58,093 The museum had yet to install a climate control system. 392 00:27:58,885 --> 00:28:02,013 That was the priority that I think we all saw. 393 00:28:03,306 --> 00:28:08,019 I'll never forget, it was raining and there was actually a cloud that formed 394 00:28:08,103 --> 00:28:11,106 in the Spanish Cloister in front of the El Jaleo, 395 00:28:11,189 --> 00:28:16,111 because the moisture outside was as high as the moisture inside. 396 00:28:18,655 --> 00:28:22,492 There was a sewer pipe that broke in one of the galleries. 397 00:28:23,368 --> 00:28:24,744 The cast iron gave way 398 00:28:24,828 --> 00:28:29,040 and sewage started coming down in the middle of a gallery 399 00:28:29,124 --> 00:28:31,668 with paintings and things like this, and it's... 400 00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:36,131 And that's not good for a museum. 401 00:28:41,136 --> 00:28:44,139 And of course this just blindsided us completely. 402 00:28:44,848 --> 00:28:48,560 Anne Hawley, she was so despondent. 403 00:28:49,477 --> 00:28:51,187 She called me, 404 00:28:51,271 --> 00:28:53,523 she said tearfully, 405 00:28:53,606 --> 00:28:56,025 "You never told me this would happen." 406 00:28:56,901 --> 00:28:59,446 And I said, "I never knew it would happen." 407 00:29:01,489 --> 00:29:03,199 Were you ever warned, 408 00:29:03,283 --> 00:29:06,870 "Hey, watch out, you could get robbed," or anything like that? 409 00:29:07,954 --> 00:29:08,955 Yeah. No. 410 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:13,418 When an organization or a person becomes a victim, 411 00:29:13,501 --> 00:29:15,670 there's just a pile-on that happens. 412 00:29:17,213 --> 00:29:20,633 Calls would come in from people in prisons 413 00:29:20,717 --> 00:29:22,302 around the country, 414 00:29:22,385 --> 00:29:24,804 that wouldn't talk to the FBI, 415 00:29:24,888 --> 00:29:27,557 they wanted to talk to me or the security director, 416 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,145 because they said they had information that they wanted to trade. 417 00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:47,994 But I certainly didn't have the skill set to be strategizing the investigation. 418 00:29:48,578 --> 00:29:52,415 I want to refer all security questions to the FBI. 419 00:29:52,499 --> 00:29:54,459 And then, on top of that, 420 00:29:54,542 --> 00:29:59,589 the museum got several bomb threats and threats on people's lives. 421 00:30:02,175 --> 00:30:05,929 So, there was a whole dark side going on. 422 00:30:10,099 --> 00:30:12,435 Crime is suddenly the dark obsession 423 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:14,145 of the opulent world of art. 424 00:30:14,229 --> 00:30:16,940 The black tie business of champagne and culture 425 00:30:17,023 --> 00:30:19,025 and price tags big as the Ritz 426 00:30:19,108 --> 00:30:21,277 has made art burglary a booming industry. 427 00:30:21,361 --> 00:30:24,155 A shadow enterprise stripped of romance 428 00:30:24,239 --> 00:30:27,867 that experts claim is increasingly tied to the drug trade. 429 00:30:27,951 --> 00:30:30,036 2,950,000. 430 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:31,120 We've come this far. 431 00:30:31,871 --> 00:30:34,749 It doesn't take a person with a bad mind 432 00:30:34,833 --> 00:30:39,212 long to start feeling maybe there's an opportunity here to make money. 433 00:30:39,295 --> 00:30:43,424 In the old days, a cat burglar pried open the skylight, 434 00:30:43,508 --> 00:30:47,178 came down on the rope and took the pictures out and so on. 435 00:30:47,262 --> 00:30:50,515 Now people walk into museums and say, "Stick 'em up!" 436 00:30:50,598 --> 00:30:55,603 The clandestine activity in the traffic of stolen art, worldwide, 437 00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:59,148 is probably about three quarters of a billion dollars. 438 00:30:59,232 --> 00:31:01,025 - Billion? - Yes. 439 00:31:01,943 --> 00:31:05,613 In the 1980s, the crime of art theft increased, 440 00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:10,410 but it made sense, because the value of art was rising. 441 00:31:10,994 --> 00:31:15,957 If we're talking iconic works of art from museums and galleries here, 442 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:21,087 the sort of things that can't be resold through the legal art market, 443 00:31:21,170 --> 00:31:25,008 then this is used by the criminals as collateral. 444 00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:27,093 That's how it works. 445 00:31:42,025 --> 00:31:44,944 If you are the owner of a house 446 00:31:45,778 --> 00:31:48,865 and you decide that you need some investment money, 447 00:31:48,948 --> 00:31:50,283 you go to the bank 448 00:31:50,366 --> 00:31:53,244 and they will advance you money against your house. 449 00:31:54,412 --> 00:31:56,831 That's exactly how the black market works. 450 00:31:59,792 --> 00:32:03,296 Back then, cocaine was a pretty big business. 451 00:32:03,379 --> 00:32:09,469 There was a number of people involved in that business making a buck from it. 452 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:15,141 I lived in South Boston in the 1980s and the 1990s. 453 00:32:15,224 --> 00:32:18,853 There was more cocaine in South Boston than any neighborhood in the city. 454 00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:19,854 It was everywhere. 455 00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:23,316 I mean, I literally saw people do it on bar tops. 456 00:32:23,399 --> 00:32:25,526 These were not nice establishments. 457 00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:27,695 Did not bring my wife to these establishments. 458 00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:28,821 But it happened. 459 00:32:31,199 --> 00:32:35,036 Say, for instance, you have a large cocaine shipment, 460 00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:37,705 say, 20 kilos of cocaine, 461 00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:43,086 but you don't have anything more than 20,000 bucks cash to put down. 462 00:32:43,169 --> 00:32:47,757 But you have several million dollars' worth of stolen art. 463 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,926 So you give that art as security. 464 00:32:50,969 --> 00:32:52,762 And they hold the art 465 00:32:52,845 --> 00:32:57,392 until they're reimbursed for whatever the value of the cocaine is. 466 00:32:57,475 --> 00:32:59,060 That's how that goes. 467 00:32:59,978 --> 00:33:04,107 They take that recorded legitimate value 468 00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:07,986 and they run with anywhere between three and ten percent of that 469 00:33:08,069 --> 00:33:11,280 as being what it's worth on the black market to the criminals. 470 00:33:15,410 --> 00:33:19,288 Why do people steal artwork? Well, there's a number of reasons. 471 00:33:20,289 --> 00:33:23,584 You get it because you wanna continue to look at it. 472 00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:26,462 You want the reward. You want the insurance money. 473 00:33:27,088 --> 00:33:31,134 You wanna save yourself from jail, you wanna get somebody out of jail. 474 00:33:31,217 --> 00:33:33,052 So it's a good bartering piece. 475 00:33:33,136 --> 00:33:36,889 You know, there's a good example of Myles Connor in Boston 476 00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:40,601 stealing the Rembrandt from the Museum of Fine Art. 477 00:33:41,185 --> 00:33:43,438 Uh, his intention was, all along, 478 00:33:43,521 --> 00:33:47,525 to use that as a bargaining chip over his next sentence. 479 00:33:47,608 --> 00:33:50,111 So you gotta look at the motive behind the theft. 480 00:33:51,404 --> 00:33:53,406 That's all Myles. 481 00:33:55,116 --> 00:33:56,576 Myles did a lot of jail time. 482 00:33:57,243 --> 00:33:59,954 State prison time, federal time. 483 00:34:02,165 --> 00:34:03,666 It's the mid-'70s, 484 00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:08,337 and Myles had a parole violation with the Feds. 485 00:34:08,421 --> 00:34:12,884 Then he was picked up in Mashpee with some stolen paintings. 486 00:34:15,219 --> 00:34:20,308 I made a deal that they would reduce his million-dollar bail down to $100. 487 00:34:21,142 --> 00:34:24,228 Believe it or not, Myles, he's on the street now. 488 00:34:25,271 --> 00:34:28,232 I got the idea from an FBI agent... 489 00:34:29,108 --> 00:34:32,153 that said, "it'll take a Rembrandt to get you out of this, Connor." 490 00:34:32,236 --> 00:34:33,738 I said, "Okay." 491 00:34:37,992 --> 00:34:40,661 And so, I knew there was a Rembrandt on loan, 492 00:34:41,621 --> 00:34:43,331 and it was uninsured. 493 00:34:44,373 --> 00:34:46,709 And I knew that it could be taken. 494 00:34:49,796 --> 00:34:51,130 Myles went in, 495 00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:54,133 joined a tour that was going on. 496 00:34:54,217 --> 00:34:55,593 Had somebody with him, 497 00:34:55,676 --> 00:34:58,888 removed the painting from the wall, went to walk out. 498 00:34:59,514 --> 00:35:00,640 The guards... 499 00:35:00,723 --> 00:35:04,685 These guards were not musicians like at the Isabella Stewart Gardner. 500 00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:07,063 These guys were all retired cops. 501 00:35:08,689 --> 00:35:11,025 There was a phalanx of guards. 502 00:35:11,776 --> 00:35:14,403 A friend of mine was down there with a machine gun. 503 00:35:15,571 --> 00:35:17,782 Not to shoot anybody, 504 00:35:17,865 --> 00:35:20,201 but to shoot at the feet of anybody. 505 00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:22,703 And sure enough, they came down. 506 00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:24,664 He let go of the machine gun. 507 00:35:27,166 --> 00:35:29,585 When that thing goes off, it was like a vacuum. 508 00:35:29,669 --> 00:35:31,921 Took 'em all back. 509 00:35:32,505 --> 00:35:36,717 Except for one that was a retired Polish cop. 510 00:35:37,468 --> 00:35:38,970 And he was convinced that... 511 00:35:39,053 --> 00:35:43,141 "I am not letting this kid take this fucking painting on my watch." 512 00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:47,687 So, he ran down, he latched onto the painting. 513 00:35:48,312 --> 00:35:50,815 And in the back of the van, 514 00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:53,067 I've got another friend, 515 00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:54,777 with another machine gun. 516 00:35:54,861 --> 00:35:59,574 He aims the machine gun at the guy. I said, "Do not shoot the guy." 517 00:36:00,074 --> 00:36:01,742 He hits the guy in the head 518 00:36:02,368 --> 00:36:04,495 wh... with his gun. 519 00:36:04,579 --> 00:36:06,581 And finally the guy lets go. 520 00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:12,378 It later surfaced under a lady's bed 521 00:36:13,296 --> 00:36:16,382 to be returned to Mass State Police. 522 00:36:16,465 --> 00:36:22,263 So the Rembrandt was not used for any monetary value. 523 00:36:22,346 --> 00:36:26,726 He got two four-year sentences combined into one four-year sentence. 524 00:36:27,685 --> 00:36:32,356 Out of that comes this myth within the bad-guy world, 525 00:36:33,065 --> 00:36:36,319 that having a stolen painting, a masterpiece, 526 00:36:36,402 --> 00:36:38,154 is a get-out-of-jail-free card. 527 00:36:38,821 --> 00:36:41,449 "The Feds will deal with you. They'll let you out of jail. 528 00:36:41,532 --> 00:36:43,034 Look what they did to Myles." 529 00:36:51,667 --> 00:36:53,502 Anybody who was a thief, 530 00:36:54,086 --> 00:36:56,756 an art thief, knew about the Gardner. 531 00:36:56,839 --> 00:36:58,216 You had to. 532 00:37:02,553 --> 00:37:05,765 I've talked with guys and said, "I've scoped that place out." 533 00:37:05,848 --> 00:37:08,809 I'm not gonna tell you who, but I've scoped that place out. 534 00:37:10,019 --> 00:37:13,356 It was an easy, easy score, as they say on the street. 535 00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:19,403 We now know that a lot of local wise guys 536 00:37:19,487 --> 00:37:21,072 were scoping out the museum. 537 00:37:21,155 --> 00:37:22,323 They were casing it. 538 00:37:22,949 --> 00:37:27,078 But at that time, the focus was on all these other events. 539 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,040 Put it this way, back in 1990, 540 00:37:31,123 --> 00:37:32,333 if you're an FBI agent, 541 00:37:32,416 --> 00:37:35,044 the way you get a promotion, the way you get a raise, 542 00:37:35,127 --> 00:37:36,879 do a big Mafia case. 543 00:37:37,964 --> 00:37:39,840 The culture hadn't changed. 544 00:37:39,924 --> 00:37:42,218 That was how you got your name in the paper, 545 00:37:42,301 --> 00:37:44,178 how you got your people on the news. 546 00:37:45,554 --> 00:37:48,224 Solving an art theft 547 00:37:48,307 --> 00:37:52,687 versus a Mafia prosecution in 1990, 548 00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:55,231 what do you think is gonna get more attention? 549 00:37:56,065 --> 00:37:59,819 There was a theft here last night. Two Rembrandts and a Vermeer. 550 00:38:00,736 --> 00:38:03,239 - Is that why it's closed? - Yes, that's why. 551 00:38:03,823 --> 00:38:06,993 The gates at the Gardner Museum will stay locked 552 00:38:07,076 --> 00:38:11,247 while authorities search for clues in the daring weekend heist. 553 00:38:14,083 --> 00:38:17,628 When the FBI gets in, they kinda shut stuff down. 554 00:38:17,712 --> 00:38:21,465 They assert complete dominance or control of an investigation. 555 00:38:21,549 --> 00:38:23,759 Not only not telling us what's going on, 556 00:38:23,843 --> 00:38:26,387 they're not telling the locals, not the Staties. 557 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,018 Much like a kidnapping case, we wanted to be in it from the outset. 558 00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:35,688 When you're at the FBI academy, 559 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,818 you learn about collecting evidence. It's somewhat rudimentary. 560 00:38:40,901 --> 00:38:44,822 Dusting for fingerprints, doing tire impressions, 561 00:38:44,905 --> 00:38:46,365 those type of things. 562 00:38:48,242 --> 00:38:50,828 We had low-level training back then. 563 00:38:50,911 --> 00:38:53,914 If the Gardner was robbed today, it would be different. 564 00:38:55,374 --> 00:38:58,210 There were a lot of things that weren't taken 565 00:38:58,294 --> 00:39:00,296 that we would have taken today. 566 00:39:00,379 --> 00:39:03,549 In 1990, that wasn't part of the protocol. 567 00:39:06,177 --> 00:39:08,929 And I remember going into the conservator's room. 568 00:39:09,555 --> 00:39:12,475 That particular door was ajar. So I dunno who opened that. 569 00:39:12,558 --> 00:39:14,643 I didn't know if the police opened it. 570 00:39:14,727 --> 00:39:17,730 Did the robbers open that door? I'm not sure. 571 00:39:18,564 --> 00:39:20,733 That's another thing with crime scenes now. 572 00:39:20,816 --> 00:39:24,195 We know everybody that entered the crime scene, 573 00:39:24,278 --> 00:39:26,530 where they came from, when they left. 574 00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:29,784 There's a person at the door that does all of that. 575 00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:32,119 Back then, yeah, there wasn't. 576 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,041 We figured if we had any luck at all 577 00:39:37,833 --> 00:39:40,836 of obtaining any type of fingerprint, ridge detail, 578 00:39:41,587 --> 00:39:43,339 it would've been off the duct tape. 579 00:39:44,215 --> 00:39:48,010 The way we had the tape at the time, it was removed by BPD. 580 00:39:48,094 --> 00:39:49,553 It was all balled up. 581 00:39:50,513 --> 00:39:53,599 That tape then would've been taken in. 582 00:39:53,682 --> 00:39:58,187 Liquid nitrogen would be applied to it. It would release the bonding properties. 583 00:39:58,270 --> 00:40:02,525 You'd be able to stretch the duct tape out so that it's straight. 584 00:40:02,608 --> 00:40:06,404 So we were hoping to do that, but then the tape went missing. 585 00:40:08,531 --> 00:40:12,493 It's gone. It's vanished. They don't have it. They can't test it. 586 00:40:14,495 --> 00:40:16,330 To the best of my knowledge, 587 00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:19,542 the tape was never examined for fingerprints. 588 00:40:21,335 --> 00:40:23,003 Back then you'd sign it out. 589 00:40:23,087 --> 00:40:25,881 I'd say, "I'm giving this to the State Police to test." 590 00:40:25,965 --> 00:40:27,633 And off it would go. 591 00:40:27,716 --> 00:40:31,929 So I don't think there was any of that exchange of paper and whatnot. 592 00:40:32,012 --> 00:40:34,682 It went missing. I think to this day, 593 00:40:34,765 --> 00:40:38,185 they probably don't have any idea where it's at. 594 00:40:41,605 --> 00:40:44,275 You know, to this day, that sticks in my craw. 595 00:40:44,775 --> 00:40:48,737 Because of all the things we probably would have found from that. 596 00:40:49,697 --> 00:40:53,075 They weren't thinking about DNA in 1990, 597 00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:55,953 but you would think that evidence would be preserved. 598 00:40:56,912 --> 00:41:01,333 They've said, "Chances of finding anything on duct tape from 29 years ago, 599 00:41:01,417 --> 00:41:02,835 what are the chances?" 600 00:41:02,918 --> 00:41:05,629 You don't know you don't have it, if you don't look. 601 00:41:09,758 --> 00:41:12,136 There's never been forensic evidence, 602 00:41:12,219 --> 00:41:15,973 DNA, fingerprints, hair, anything like that 603 00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:18,142 that says, "These are the thieves." 604 00:41:22,521 --> 00:41:26,358 I remember I was sitting in the kitchen, I'm reading the Boston Globe, 605 00:41:26,442 --> 00:41:30,154 and seeing something about the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum. 606 00:41:30,237 --> 00:41:31,405 Reading what happened, 607 00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:34,158 that it was two men dressed as police officers 608 00:41:34,241 --> 00:41:35,409 that robbed the museum, 609 00:41:35,493 --> 00:41:37,620 it was just like the coin drop. 610 00:41:37,703 --> 00:41:39,747 Like, "Oh my God!" 611 00:41:42,208 --> 00:41:45,377 For uniformed policemen to be in 612 00:41:45,461 --> 00:41:49,340 what I recalled as a Dodge Daytona, this little hatchback. 613 00:41:49,423 --> 00:41:50,633 That seems odd. 614 00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:57,389 When we went to make a statement to the police in Dudley Square, 615 00:41:57,473 --> 00:41:59,600 I pointed out the patch 616 00:41:59,683 --> 00:42:02,520 that was on a uniform jacket hanging in the room. 617 00:42:02,603 --> 00:42:05,105 Said, "It was just like that. It was exactly that." 618 00:42:05,606 --> 00:42:06,857 Then he took it away, 619 00:42:06,941 --> 00:42:11,362 'cause he didn't want me to presumably have my memory be informed 620 00:42:11,445 --> 00:42:13,948 by the things in the room while taking a statement. 621 00:42:15,866 --> 00:42:19,161 It looks like these are the notes that detectives would have taken 622 00:42:19,245 --> 00:42:21,622 when we were interviewed at the police station. 623 00:42:22,998 --> 00:42:24,166 Interesting. 624 00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:27,795 I didn't recall giving such an explicit description of the person. 625 00:42:28,504 --> 00:42:29,838 White male, dark hair. 626 00:42:29,922 --> 00:42:31,715 Black hair, a mustache. 627 00:42:31,799 --> 00:42:33,509 Medium to dark complexion. 628 00:42:33,592 --> 00:42:35,386 Early 30s, wide eyes, 629 00:42:35,469 --> 00:42:37,221 hair below the ears. 630 00:42:37,304 --> 00:42:39,306 Average height or a little taller. 631 00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:45,521 And I also remember seeing the sketches. And I thought, 632 00:42:45,604 --> 00:42:49,441 "Neither of these look like the guys that I got a really good look at." 633 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,491 To my knowledge, the folks I spoke with at the station 634 00:42:57,575 --> 00:43:00,035 were members of the Boston police force. 635 00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:03,539 I have no recollection of ever talking to the FBI. 636 00:43:03,622 --> 00:43:07,167 None of the FBI folks reached out to me later on. 637 00:43:08,627 --> 00:43:12,965 If it was the Boston Police, was that information shared with the FBI? 638 00:43:13,048 --> 00:43:14,049 I don't know. 639 00:43:14,133 --> 00:43:17,469 But someone who was responsible for the investigation 640 00:43:18,262 --> 00:43:20,806 never followed through and contacted me again, 641 00:43:20,889 --> 00:43:22,308 and I was an eye witness. 642 00:43:24,351 --> 00:43:30,190 There were 45 agents working the case right at the outset. 643 00:43:30,274 --> 00:43:34,153 Well, that ended soon after, within a month, 644 00:43:35,112 --> 00:43:37,323 and those agents went on to other things. 645 00:43:37,406 --> 00:43:40,409 It then evolved down to one agent, 646 00:43:40,492 --> 00:43:42,286 who was 26 years old. 647 00:43:43,579 --> 00:43:46,332 Is that how old the FBI agent was? He was 26? 648 00:43:46,415 --> 00:43:48,459 That tells you something right there. 649 00:43:48,542 --> 00:43:51,962 You would think, if this was the movies, they'd make a call. 650 00:43:52,046 --> 00:43:53,297 "Hello, Mr. Desmond." 651 00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:56,425 Some guy picks up the phone on a beach somewhere. 652 00:43:57,176 --> 00:43:58,844 "Your services are needed." 653 00:43:58,927 --> 00:44:01,764 They'd bring in some real high-powered guy 654 00:44:01,847 --> 00:44:05,100 who had done something like this somewhere before. 655 00:44:05,184 --> 00:44:07,019 It doesn't sound like that happened. 656 00:44:08,062 --> 00:44:10,564 By the time I get involved, it's 20 years later. 657 00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:13,817 I spent a lot of time focused on, "What evidence do we have?" 658 00:44:21,742 --> 00:44:24,346 Was there any identification you guys could have made 659 00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:27,081 from who had entered the museum the night previous? 660 00:44:27,998 --> 00:44:30,751 Um, we tried to figure out who that was. 661 00:44:31,585 --> 00:44:33,170 We made the determination 662 00:44:33,253 --> 00:44:36,173 it would be best to release the video to the public, 663 00:44:36,256 --> 00:44:39,385 and the Globe, New York Times, and other outlets picked it up. 664 00:44:40,886 --> 00:44:43,180 The car drives up, you see some light in it. 665 00:44:43,263 --> 00:44:47,226 I sat down with FBI assistant special agent in charge Peter Kowenhoven, 666 00:44:47,309 --> 00:44:49,561 who took me through the 25-year-old video 667 00:44:49,645 --> 00:44:52,022 released publicly for the very first time. 668 00:44:52,106 --> 00:44:55,192 He shows me the guy he wants your help in identifying. 669 00:44:55,275 --> 00:44:58,404 That's the individual of interest. He just came in. 670 00:44:58,487 --> 00:45:01,490 You see the corner of his head as it bounces back and forth. 671 00:45:03,242 --> 00:45:06,203 Begs the question, had nobody seen that tape? 672 00:45:06,286 --> 00:45:08,706 I don't know. I had never seen it. I don't... 673 00:45:08,789 --> 00:45:12,292 I have never spoken to anybody that has seen the tape. 674 00:45:15,212 --> 00:45:19,550 A cold case, you don't think of that. The stuff's been in storage for 25 years. 675 00:45:19,633 --> 00:45:22,845 You don't think of getting it out, showing it to the public. 676 00:45:22,928 --> 00:45:26,306 You think everyone's seen it like you have, and they haven't. 677 00:45:28,142 --> 00:45:31,770 What did you think when that police tape comes out in 2015? 678 00:45:31,854 --> 00:45:32,855 I laughed. 679 00:45:34,189 --> 00:45:37,025 You mean to say it took all that time to see it? 680 00:45:43,657 --> 00:45:46,660 The FBI has concluded they know who it is, 681 00:45:46,744 --> 00:45:49,121 and it was potentially one of the employees. 682 00:45:53,250 --> 00:45:57,755 The FBI, they get a call from a couple of ex-guards, 683 00:45:57,838 --> 00:45:58,756 one of whom says, 684 00:45:58,839 --> 00:46:01,925 "That's nothing suspicious. That's not a mystery." 685 00:46:02,009 --> 00:46:05,512 She says, "That's Larry O'Brien, the deputy director." 686 00:46:07,347 --> 00:46:09,767 Why are we learning about this in 2015? 687 00:46:10,851 --> 00:46:14,354 Why 25 years after the theft? 688 00:46:20,235 --> 00:46:23,071 We didn't have much confidence in the FBI. 689 00:46:25,491 --> 00:46:27,826 It didn't seem to be the high priority. 690 00:46:29,787 --> 00:46:33,040 We didn't think we were getting, really, their full attention. 691 00:46:37,336 --> 00:46:41,507 They seemed distracted. I didn't know why at the time. 692 00:46:43,091 --> 00:46:46,512 After the heist, the largest art heist in the world, 693 00:46:46,595 --> 00:46:50,057 that same week there were these blockbuster indictments 694 00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:53,268 where 21 members of the New England Mafia 695 00:46:53,352 --> 00:46:57,022 were charged with racketeering and loan sharking and murders. 696 00:46:57,105 --> 00:47:00,275 I can tell you, the conversation wasn't about the museum. 697 00:47:00,901 --> 00:47:04,238 It should lay to rest once and for all 698 00:47:04,321 --> 00:47:06,657 any doubts that La Cosa Nostra 699 00:47:07,241 --> 00:47:10,702 is a figment of law enforcement's imagination. 700 00:47:10,786 --> 00:47:12,246 How you doin'? 701 00:47:12,329 --> 00:47:14,581 - Good. How's it going? - Good, good. 702 00:47:14,665 --> 00:47:18,544 But it does seem like within the criminal world here, 703 00:47:18,627 --> 00:47:20,963 these paintings were a get-out-of-jail-free card. 704 00:47:21,547 --> 00:47:24,633 This had been done before. This isn't just conjecture. 705 00:47:26,927 --> 00:47:28,095 Who did it, 706 00:47:29,429 --> 00:47:32,558 why did they do it, and whom were they connected with 707 00:47:32,641 --> 00:47:36,144 that it would allow them to get away with this art? 58770

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