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[bright tone]
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[melodic strumming]
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- Right now I'd like
to dedicate this song
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to everybody here with hearts,
any kind of hearts and ears.
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Goes something like
this here...
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♪ ♪
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Yeah.
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Yeah!
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♪ ♪
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♪ Once upon a time,
you dressed so fine ♪
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♪ Threw the bums a dime
in your prime ♪
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♪ Didn't you? ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ People called,
said, "Beware, doll" ♪
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♪ You're bound to fall ♪
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♪ You thought they all
were kidding you ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ You used to ♪
[chuckles]
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♪ Laugh about ♪
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- Volume one, number one.
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A letter from the editor.
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You're probably wondering
what we're trying to do.
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- ♪ Look at you, but now
you don't talk so loud ♪
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- It's hard to say.
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- ♪ But now you don't, baby,
seem so proud ♪
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- We hope that we have
something here,
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sort of a magazine,
sort of a newspaper.
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- ♪ Yeah ♪
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- The name of it
comes from an old saying.
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Muddy Waters used the name
for a song he wrote.
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- ♪ How does it feel? ♪
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- The Stones took their name
from Muddy's song.
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- ♪ Oh, how does it feel,
baby ♪
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- It was the title
of Bob Dylan's
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first rock and roll record.
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- ♪ To be on your own? ♪
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- It's not just
about the music,
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but also the things
and attitudes
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that the music embraces.
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- ♪ No direction home ♪
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- We've been working
quite hard on it.
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We hope you can dig it.
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- ♪ A complete unknown ♪
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- To describe it any further
would be difficult
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without sounding
like bullshit.
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- ♪ Like a rolling stone ♪
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♪ ♪
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[crowd cheering]
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- Jann, in recent years,
sophisticated publications
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such as yours and FM radio,
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rock and roll is reaching
a different age group.
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Now, what's the difference
between rock and roll now
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and the rock and roll
of the Elvis Presley,
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Everly Brothers era?
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- Well, rock and roll
is, you know,
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is a--is a--
is a particular form
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that's changed tremendously
and keeps changing
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and vastly changing, making
a tremendous amount of changes,
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and, uh, there was
no publication around
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that covered it
the way it should be covered,
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you know,
that had treated it
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the way it deserved
to be treated,
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that, you know,
understood it, really.
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♪ ♪
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- Oh, yeah!
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♪ ♪
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- Jann, is there such thing
as a San Francisco sound?
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Or is it just that this
happened to be the place
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where acid rock, or whatever
it's called, started?
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- The important thing
about San Francisco
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is that it's a scene.
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It's a warm, supportive,
friendly city
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that's historically,
you know, had the Bohemians,
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the Beats, that supported
the arts, poetry, jazz,
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and similarly today
it supports rock and roll.
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- [laughing]
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- San Francisco is home
to all kinds of artists,
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and I loved
the excitement of it.
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I had tried to do music
when I was in college,
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but I was not good at it
particularly.
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I mean, I was not a great
guitar player, you know.
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I mean, I knew the music,
and I loved it.
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I could feel it, but that--
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that life was not for me.
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But what I had as
a skill and a natural ability
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was journalism.
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- ♪ Ooh, ooh, yeah ♪
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♪ Ooh, ooh, yeah ♪
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♪ Ooh, ooh ♪
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- ♪ Everybody's dying,
everybody is trying ♪
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♪ To feel more, feel more,
feel more, yeah ♪
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- ♪ Ooh, ooh, yeah ♪
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- In the '60s, rock and roll
was becoming more than ever
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the medium of communication
among young people.
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- ♪ Even though you never, then
it doesn't mean you never ♪
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♪ So you feel more,
you feel more, you feel more ♪
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- It was freeing yourself
from this gray vision of life
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in America that was
parentally shaped
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and socially shaped
by the Eisenhower years.
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- ♪ Whoa ♪
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♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ♪
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[indistinct screaming]
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all: ♪ Whoa ♪
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♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ♪
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- ♪ Whoa, yeah ♪
- ♪ Yeah, baby ♪
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all: ♪ Whoa ♪
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- Music and the kind of
cultural revolution
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that was attached to it,
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that was the big
uncovered story.
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[crowd cheering]
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At that time,
I was living with the woman
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I was gonna marry, Jane,
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and she had
that same enthusiasm
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for the sheer joy
of the music.
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Together, we saw it
as really important,
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spiritually and culturally,
you know?
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- We really understood
that music
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was effecting a change
in America.
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You could see it and hear it.
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["Paint It Black" begins]
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♪ ♪
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In '67, Jann was going
down to cover Monterey Pop.
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This was before we
started "Rolling Stone."
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He was there one day, and then
he called me, and he said,
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"Jane, you've got
to come down here.
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You will not believe
what's happening."
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♪ ♪
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- ♪ I see a red door,
and I want to paint it black ♪
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♪ No colors in my life ♪
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♪ You know they're
turning black ♪
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♪ I see people walking by ♪
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♪ Dressed in their
colorful clothes ♪
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♪ I see them strolling by ♪
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♪ My happiness just flows ♪
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- We were so lucky
to have that music
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at that time.
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I mean,
Monterey was incredible.
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- ♪ Turn it black,
oh, yeah ♪
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♪ ♪
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Thank you.
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- I had been writing a column
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for "The Daily Californian,"
the student newspaper,
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and I wrote it under
a pseudonym, Mr. Jones,
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called "Something Is Happening
by Mr. Jones,"
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after the Dylan song.
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And it was very much
in the mold
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of a column that
Ralph Gleason was writing
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for the
"San Francisco Chronicle."
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[smooth jazz music]
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- This is "Jazz Casual,"
and I'm Ralph Gleason.
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John Coltrane, like many
of the modern jazz musicians,
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feels that the music itself
speaks far more fluently
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than any human ever could.
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I agree with that thoroughly,
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and I also endorse
the position
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that Miles Davis' albums
shouldn't have liner notes,
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even when I write them.
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- He was a jazz critic,
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but he also would write
about popular music
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and The Beatles or Dylan
and Baez.
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- ♪ I don't really
wanna stop the show ♪
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♪ But I thought
you might like to know ♪
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- His column was the place
you could read
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about all these things
in your own life,
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which were not
in the local press.
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- ♪ So let me
introduce to you ♪
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♪ The one and only
Billy Shears ♪
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♪ And Sergeant Pepper's
Lonely Hearts Club Band ♪
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- They used to say
about Ralph
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that he couldn't decide
whether he was
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four 12-year-olds
or three 16-year-olds.
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And he loved young people,
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and he loved
the excitement of it.
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People trying to get a place
in the rock and roll scene
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would come over
to him and seek advice.
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[crowd cheering]
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So I introduced myself to him.
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He said, "Oh, I know
exactly who you are.
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I read your column."
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And that was just the
beginning of it right there.
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- ♪ What would you think
if I sang out of tune? ♪
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♪ Would you stand up
and walk out on me? ♪
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- He alone among
the critical establishment
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was receptive
to rock and roll
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and saw
how good a music it was,
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how good songwriters
these were.
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- ♪ Oh, I get by with a little
help from my friends ♪
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♪ Mm, I get high... ♪
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- We knew that Ralph
was the best person
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to be starting
"Rolling Stone" with.
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- ♪ Mm, gonna try with a
little help from my friends ♪
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- Jann came over one day
and said,
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"How about a magazine?"
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Like the "Melody Maker"
or "New Musical Express"
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but an American one that
would be different and better,
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that would cover not just,
uh, not just the records
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and the music but would
cover the whole culture.
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I find it regrettable and sad
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that some of my friends
do not share my enjoyment
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for the contemporary
musicians,
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much less regard them
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with the respect
with which I regard them
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or see them
as important as I see them.
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The only way to stay alive
is to stay open.
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The minute you
shut yourself off
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and shut yourself up,
you start to rot.
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You die of dry rot.
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"Rolling Stone" started
with the assumption
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that music was of infinitely
greater importance
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to an upcoming generation
of Americans
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than anyone had
ever thought it was before,
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and we were right.
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[Bob Dylan's
"Like a Rolling Stone" plays]
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♪ ♪
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- ♪ Once upon a time,
you dressed so fine ♪
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♪ Threw the bums a dime
in your prime ♪
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♪ Didn't you? ♪
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- We were in a printer's
building in San Francisco,
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south of Market,
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which then was really
just kind of warehouses.
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Rent was free 'cause we got
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the printer to give us
some free space.
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We rented some typewriters
and rented some tables.
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- We were looking for $7,500.
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So I asked my mother
for $2,000.
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Jann raised some, and
we started "Rolling Stone."
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And I'll say "we,"
because we did.
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- Well, we felt a great, uh--
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a great historic responsibility
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on behalf
of the American public.
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Well, you know, no, jeez--
[laughs]
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That isn't what happened.
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- It was really
Ralph and myself and Jane.
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We'd meet and, uh, discuss
this thing and what to do.
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♪ ♪
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The first issue, we had
John Lennon on the cover
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and an interview
with Donovan
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and then a big
two-page spread
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on the Grateful Dead
getting busted,
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which was a little story
that I wrote.
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We went over and took these
pictures of the Dead
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standing on the stoop of their
house over in Haight-Ashbury.
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All, you know,
at the top of the stairs,
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you know, with
their fists up, raised,
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and I think it was Pigpen
that had some pistols,
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and Phil Lesh was carrying
a rifle and all that stuff.
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And defiant, "We will
not be moved," you know?
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We nearly went bankrupt
shipping out that issue.
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And all of a sudden,
all the bills came in,
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and we had to--
"Oh, God, we don't have
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enough money for that."
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♪ ♪
253
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- I bought the first issue.
254
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I had no idea
that the magazine
255
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consisted
of about three people.
256
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It looked like a very
professional operation.
257
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I volunteered
to be a proofreader.
258
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I told them
I was a proofreader.
259
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I had never
read proof in my life.
260
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And so I was
the first unpaid employee.
261
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I tell you,
my qualifications
262
00:12:20,267 --> 00:12:22,267
were a degree
in Near Eastern languages,
263
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three years' experience
as an animal caretaker,
264
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and I was willing
to work for free.
265
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♪ ♪
266
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- Now, Charlie
was a volunteer,
267
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but he had a paying job,
268
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which was to be
an assistant zookeeper
269
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at the San Francisco Zoo.
270
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And he said,
"I can't do both."
271
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We agreed that he
would get $25 a week.
272
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And he was the first actual,
real true employee
273
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of "Rolling Stone."
274
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- I was known at one time
275
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for excessive consumption
of marijuana.
276
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When I went to
"Rolling Stone,"
277
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I found I couldn't use drugs.
278
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I wanted to write,
279
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and I could write reams
when I was stoned,
280
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but none of it
made any sense.
281
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In those days,
we were not well known
282
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outside San Francisco.
283
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"Rolling Stone"
was thought of
284
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as particularly
a magazine for musicians.
285
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And we had to struggle
with our distributor
286
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to get us put on newsstands
near recording studios.
287
00:13:12,142 --> 00:13:13,808
For many years,
we had a musician's
288
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free classified column
for bands
289
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that were looking
for a drummer.
290
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But Jann always had a vision
of it as being more
291
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than just about
rock and roll itself.
292
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He had an idea that there
was a rock culture,
293
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all sorts
of generational things
294
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that would be of interest.
295
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♪ ♪
296
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- I think there's
various things.
297
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I think the basic thing
is that--
298
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is what people have always
found fascinating about youth,
299
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you know, and young--
young things
300
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and young people
and new ideas
301
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and, you know,
that period of life
302
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which is associated
with being most alive
303
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and most experimental
and the most, you know,
304
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sort of carefree.
305
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♪ ♪
306
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It was important that
"Rolling Stone" have a sense
307
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of style and sex appeal
of the youth culture.
308
00:14:05,975 --> 00:14:07,641
[The Rolling Stones'
"Stray Cat Blues" plays]
309
00:14:07,641 --> 00:14:09,766
I met a guy
named Baron Wolman,
310
00:14:09,766 --> 00:14:13,559
and Baron had training as kind
of a portrait photographer.
311
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Baron came up with the idea
312
00:14:15,183 --> 00:14:17,392
to do a special issue
on the groupies.
313
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- ♪ There'll be a feast if you
just come upstairs, but... ♪
314
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- I would go backstage
and hang out with the bands,
315
00:14:24,267 --> 00:14:26,392
and I saw these
women back there
316
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with style
and with self-assurance.
317
00:14:29,225 --> 00:14:31,475
You know, nobody was going
to tell them what to do.
318
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- ♪ I can see that you're
15 years old ♪
319
00:14:35,808 --> 00:14:38,600
♪ No, I don't want your ID ♪
320
00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,267
- Within a certain subculture
in San Francisco,
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rock is the basic art form.
322
00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:45,766
The musicians are the high
priests of the community,
323
00:14:45,766 --> 00:14:48,225
and all activities
revolve around the bands.
324
00:14:48,225 --> 00:14:50,891
Now, sex is no big deal
within the community.
325
00:14:50,891 --> 00:14:53,683
It's just part
of the whole sharing process.
326
00:14:53,683 --> 00:14:57,392
They share food, houses,
drugs, money, and sex.
327
00:14:57,392 --> 00:14:59,600
- ♪ You're a stray,
stray cat, I bet ♪
328
00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,350
♪ Bet your mama don't know
you scream like that ♪
329
00:15:04,350 --> 00:15:09,808
♪ I bet your mama don't know
you can spread like that ♪
330
00:15:09,808 --> 00:15:11,475
- You get to fuck
the prettiest boys.
331
00:15:11,475 --> 00:15:13,309
You get to smoke
the best dope.
332
00:15:13,309 --> 00:15:16,891
You, um--you get to meet
all the most far-out people.
333
00:15:16,891 --> 00:15:18,641
- They dress the way
I want all guys to dress.
334
00:15:18,641 --> 00:15:19,933
They have long hair.
335
00:15:19,933 --> 00:15:21,600
They talk
with a British accent.
336
00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,600
- "There are two kinds
of groupies,"
337
00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,309
notes veteran trouper,
guitarist Jimmy Page.
338
00:15:26,309 --> 00:15:29,434
"Those who are like friends,
like San Francisco girls,
339
00:15:29,434 --> 00:15:31,434
"and those Los Angeles
and New York girls,
340
00:15:31,434 --> 00:15:33,142
"who are making
a religion
341
00:15:33,142 --> 00:15:34,975
"out of how many pop stars
they can fuck.
342
00:15:34,975 --> 00:15:37,225
"Groupies are a better ball,
by and large.
343
00:15:37,225 --> 00:15:38,975
"They've had more experience,
344
00:15:38,975 --> 00:15:40,350
and they're willing
to try more things."
345
00:16:00,891 --> 00:16:04,434
- ♪ White bird ♪
346
00:16:04,434 --> 00:16:08,225
♪ In a golden cage ♪
347
00:16:08,225 --> 00:16:10,309
- Sally Mann lives
with Jefferson Airplane
348
00:16:10,309 --> 00:16:13,559
at their spacious, Victorian
San Francisco mansion.
349
00:16:13,559 --> 00:16:15,850
She serves as housemother,
preparing meals,
350
00:16:15,850 --> 00:16:18,267
washing the dishes,
screening unwanted visitors,
351
00:16:18,267 --> 00:16:21,350
and a host of other chores
for which she is paid nothing
352
00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:23,766
except the gratitude
of the Airplane.
353
00:16:23,766 --> 00:16:27,975
- Jack, show me
your cock again, please.
354
00:16:27,975 --> 00:16:30,600
Please, one more time.
Come on!
355
00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,058
- No.
- Jack, one--
356
00:16:33,058 --> 00:16:34,641
You had to be there.
357
00:16:34,641 --> 00:16:36,641
I don't mean
that to understand it,
358
00:16:36,641 --> 00:16:38,559
you had to be there.
359
00:16:38,559 --> 00:16:42,350
I'm saying if you felt it,
you had to be where it was.
360
00:16:42,350 --> 00:16:44,183
Oh, look.
361
00:16:44,183 --> 00:16:46,350
Look--look, you can
see him in action.
362
00:16:46,350 --> 00:16:48,392
This is how he
looks when he's playing.
363
00:16:48,392 --> 00:16:50,225
Oh, isn't it far out?
364
00:16:50,225 --> 00:16:52,641
There was no way
on the planet
365
00:16:52,641 --> 00:16:54,641
I could have stayed
in Houston, Texas,
366
00:16:54,641 --> 00:16:57,725
when the music was being made
out in California.
367
00:16:57,725 --> 00:16:59,183
I had to be there.
368
00:16:59,183 --> 00:17:00,434
Pull the pubes out
of the way,
369
00:17:00,434 --> 00:17:01,975
and let's light
you a joint up.
370
00:17:01,975 --> 00:17:03,600
You could be crazy
about Elvis,
371
00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,392
but you weren't walking
up and down
372
00:17:05,392 --> 00:17:08,058
the streets of Memphis
in a movement of people
373
00:17:08,058 --> 00:17:10,183
who all felt the same way.
374
00:17:10,183 --> 00:17:12,850
[laughter]
- Need it, need it.
375
00:17:12,850 --> 00:17:14,933
- Groupies are
hardly a new phenomenon,
376
00:17:14,933 --> 00:17:17,434
and they are not new to the
rock and roll scene either.
377
00:17:17,434 --> 00:17:20,933
But as the scene changes,
so do the girls.
378
00:17:20,933 --> 00:17:26,808
♪ ♪
379
00:17:26,808 --> 00:17:29,891
Cynthia, age 21,
and Diane, age 17,
380
00:17:29,891 --> 00:17:31,766
took a cab to
the Chicago Opera House
381
00:17:31,766 --> 00:17:33,559
where they waited
382
00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:35,559
for one of the rock and roll
attractions to appear.
383
00:17:35,559 --> 00:17:38,100
If he was agreeable,
they would all go to his room,
384
00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:40,142
and this popular
lead guitarist
385
00:17:40,142 --> 00:17:44,766
would become Number 00004
in the Plaster Casters' diary.
386
00:17:44,766 --> 00:17:47,933
- In art class, we started
doing plaster casting.
387
00:17:47,933 --> 00:17:50,434
One day the teacher
said you could plaster cast
388
00:17:50,434 --> 00:17:52,683
almost anything that's solid.
389
00:17:52,683 --> 00:17:55,641
In fact, bring in
any old object from home,
390
00:17:55,641 --> 00:17:57,309
tomorrow we'll make
a cast of it.
391
00:17:57,309 --> 00:17:59,808
And I thought...
[laughs]
392
00:17:59,808 --> 00:18:02,600
- ♪ Having hard times ♪
393
00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,766
♪ In this crazy town ♪
394
00:18:04,766 --> 00:18:06,309
♪ Having hard times ♪
395
00:18:06,309 --> 00:18:07,766
- In the Plaster Casters'
diary,
396
00:18:07,766 --> 00:18:09,808
a penis is called a "rig,"
397
00:18:09,808 --> 00:18:11,808
fellatio is called "plating,"
398
00:18:11,808 --> 00:18:14,475
and a fellator is
called a "plater."
399
00:18:14,475 --> 00:18:16,683
Masturbation
is called "banking"
400
00:18:16,683 --> 00:18:20,808
and a masturbator is called
a "Barclay's Banker."
401
00:18:20,808 --> 00:18:22,766
- ♪ Having hard times ♪
402
00:18:22,766 --> 00:18:25,808
- Cynthia asked me,
you know, if--at that time,
403
00:18:25,808 --> 00:18:28,017
if I'd like to be
a plaster caster.
404
00:18:28,017 --> 00:18:29,975
I became her plater.
405
00:18:29,975 --> 00:18:33,350
She called me the head plaster
caster because I gave the head.
406
00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:35,309
And she was
the master plaster caster
407
00:18:35,309 --> 00:18:37,850
because she's
the originator of the idea.
408
00:18:37,850 --> 00:18:39,434
- While you're lying there,
409
00:18:39,434 --> 00:18:42,017
I'd like you
to close your eyes.
410
00:18:42,017 --> 00:18:45,350
And I'd like you to think that
this is a sexual experience.
411
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:49,100
Just relax and use
your imagination.
412
00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:51,225
Don't necessarily think of the
reality of what's happening,
413
00:18:51,225 --> 00:18:54,933
but think of what
you'd like to be happening.
414
00:18:54,933 --> 00:18:59,017
We'll get along fine.
415
00:18:59,017 --> 00:19:00,808
- ♪ And I'm sick and tired ♪
416
00:19:00,808 --> 00:19:04,808
♪ Of having so many
hard, hard times baby ♪
417
00:19:04,808 --> 00:19:07,058
♪ And from my party house... ♪
418
00:19:07,058 --> 00:19:09,891
- We had an ad for
the groupie issue that said,
419
00:19:09,891 --> 00:19:11,225
"When we tell you
about a groupie,
420
00:19:11,225 --> 00:19:13,058
will you really understand?"
421
00:19:13,058 --> 00:19:14,891
And we were saying,
"Hey, we got the goods.
422
00:19:14,891 --> 00:19:16,475
"You want to know
what's really happening?
423
00:19:16,475 --> 00:19:18,267
Listen to us."
424
00:19:18,267 --> 00:19:22,100
- This was just complete shock
to everybody, you know?
425
00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:23,683
The fact that rock and roll
426
00:19:23,683 --> 00:19:25,058
and the culture
of rock and roll
427
00:19:25,058 --> 00:19:28,267
had this world underneath it.
428
00:19:28,267 --> 00:19:32,058
It was the generation gap
starting to be writ large.
429
00:19:33,933 --> 00:19:35,683
- Jann had a particular view
430
00:19:35,683 --> 00:19:38,517
of what he wanted
"Rolling Stone" to be.
431
00:19:38,517 --> 00:19:41,183
He was always thinking
way down the road,
432
00:19:41,183 --> 00:19:42,975
ahead of himself,
and maybe ahead
433
00:19:42,975 --> 00:19:45,600
of the generation,
to a certain extent.
434
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,392
At "Rolling Stone" we were
pretty much around the clock,
435
00:19:48,392 --> 00:19:50,600
living, breathing,
writing rock and roll.
436
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:51,891
- And did you like it?
437
00:19:51,891 --> 00:19:53,683
- Nah, hated it.
Hated it.
438
00:19:53,683 --> 00:19:56,850
[James Brown's
"Get on the Good Foot" plays]
439
00:19:56,850 --> 00:19:58,517
♪ ♪
440
00:19:58,517 --> 00:20:01,225
When Jann hired me,
he probably saw me
441
00:20:01,225 --> 00:20:04,267
as a fairly straight person.
442
00:20:04,267 --> 00:20:06,766
Having come out of college
for about a year
443
00:20:06,766 --> 00:20:09,891
and having some
journalism experience
444
00:20:09,891 --> 00:20:12,100
as well as having
a pretty decent knowledge
445
00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:14,600
of the pop music scene
in general
446
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,350
and wanting
to apply journalism to it.
447
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:19,267
- ♪ Get on the good foot ♪
448
00:20:19,267 --> 00:20:21,434
♪ ♪
449
00:20:21,434 --> 00:20:24,517
- So he saw a person who came
in not just off the street,
450
00:20:24,517 --> 00:20:26,975
being a rock and roll fan,
being a longhaired hippie,
451
00:20:26,975 --> 00:20:29,641
but a guy who could bring
a modicum
452
00:20:29,641 --> 00:20:31,808
of professional
journalism background
453
00:20:31,808 --> 00:20:33,891
to what he was trying to do.
454
00:20:33,891 --> 00:20:36,475
♪ ♪
455
00:20:36,475 --> 00:20:39,975
We would sit at our
typewriters and get stoned.
456
00:20:39,975 --> 00:20:42,808
No, we would sit at our
typewriters and just think,
457
00:20:42,808 --> 00:20:44,766
"Let's see, oh,
that could be fun,"
458
00:20:44,766 --> 00:20:47,225
and then just
start something.
459
00:20:47,225 --> 00:20:51,225
It could be a description
of a guy sifting cocaine.
460
00:20:51,225 --> 00:20:56,309
It could be you heading
to interview the Jackson Five.
461
00:20:56,309 --> 00:20:58,100
It could be a description
462
00:20:58,100 --> 00:21:01,475
of a living room as
with Ike and Tina Turner.
463
00:21:01,475 --> 00:21:03,267
That becomes the lead.
464
00:21:03,267 --> 00:21:05,058
- Walk into what,
from the outside,
465
00:21:05,058 --> 00:21:06,975
looks to be another
well-paid,
466
00:21:06,975 --> 00:21:09,517
well-kept home in suburban
Inglewood, California,
467
00:21:09,517 --> 00:21:11,475
and you're hit...
468
00:21:11,475 --> 00:21:14,517
a huge imperial oil painting
of Ike and Tina Turner
469
00:21:14,517 --> 00:21:18,683
dressed as if for a simple,
private wedding circa 1960.
470
00:21:18,683 --> 00:21:21,100
Also in the foyer,
under the portrait,
471
00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:23,517
a small white bust
of John F. Kennedy.
472
00:21:23,517 --> 00:21:26,350
Next to him, the Bible.
473
00:21:26,350 --> 00:21:27,933
Over in the family room,
474
00:21:27,933 --> 00:21:30,142
splashing programmed,
is a waterfall.
475
00:21:30,142 --> 00:21:33,225
There's a red velvet sofa
designed around a coffee table
476
00:21:33,225 --> 00:21:35,766
in the shape of a bass guitar.
477
00:21:35,766 --> 00:21:39,183
Tina's not back,
half an hour late.
478
00:21:42,517 --> 00:21:44,891
- Tina being late showing up,
479
00:21:44,891 --> 00:21:46,434
that was nothing,
no big deal.
480
00:21:46,434 --> 00:21:48,517
You're often kept waiting,
481
00:21:48,517 --> 00:21:51,683
except that it wasn't
like there was a publicist
482
00:21:51,683 --> 00:21:54,891
or a manager
or an agent or somebody.
483
00:21:54,891 --> 00:21:58,183
I think there were a couple
housekeepers maybe around
484
00:21:58,183 --> 00:22:01,183
and her family.
485
00:22:01,183 --> 00:22:02,891
I just sat there,
486
00:22:02,891 --> 00:22:04,725
and oftentimes
you take those challenges
487
00:22:04,725 --> 00:22:06,517
and just do
what you can with them.
488
00:22:06,517 --> 00:22:09,058
You just worked
with what you've got.
489
00:22:09,058 --> 00:22:12,309
♪ ♪
490
00:22:12,309 --> 00:22:14,392
- The world's greatest
heartbreaker drives up
491
00:22:14,392 --> 00:22:16,559
in her Mercedes sedan
and strides in,
492
00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:20,641
all fresh and breezy in
a red knit hot pants outfit,
493
00:22:20,641 --> 00:22:22,600
third button unbuttoned,
494
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,225
supple legs still very trim
at age 32, charging on to 33.
495
00:22:27,225 --> 00:22:30,350
["River Deep, Mountain High"
begins]
496
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:31,891
♪ ♪
497
00:22:31,891 --> 00:22:34,434
- ♪ When I was
a little girl ♪
498
00:22:34,434 --> 00:22:37,267
♪ I had a rag doll ♪
499
00:22:37,267 --> 00:22:40,100
♪ Only doll I've ever owned ♪
500
00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:42,517
♪ ♪
501
00:22:42,517 --> 00:22:45,517
- In the mid '60s,
around 1966,
502
00:22:45,517 --> 00:22:49,183
I saw Ike and Tina
in North Beach
503
00:22:49,183 --> 00:22:52,891
and was just knocked out.
504
00:22:52,891 --> 00:22:55,434
- ♪ And it gets stronger ♪
505
00:22:55,434 --> 00:22:58,142
♪ In every way ♪
506
00:22:58,142 --> 00:23:00,933
♪ And it gets deeper ♪
507
00:23:00,933 --> 00:23:03,683
♪ Let me say ♪
508
00:23:03,683 --> 00:23:06,766
♪ And it gets higher ♪
509
00:23:06,766 --> 00:23:09,017
♪ Day by day ♪
510
00:23:09,017 --> 00:23:11,975
- I'd always been an R&B fan,
but this was beyond R&B.
511
00:23:11,975 --> 00:23:15,309
This was showmanship.
This was rock and roll.
512
00:23:15,309 --> 00:23:19,100
- ♪ Yeah, river deep,
mountain high ♪
513
00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:21,475
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
514
00:23:21,475 --> 00:23:24,434
- And so it was just in
my head, and I volunteered,
515
00:23:24,434 --> 00:23:26,933
"Yeah, I've seen them,
I love them, and let's go."
516
00:23:26,933 --> 00:23:29,267
- ♪ Oh, how I love you, baby ♪
517
00:23:29,267 --> 00:23:32,933
♪ Baby, baby, baby ♪
518
00:23:32,933 --> 00:23:39,058
♪ ♪
519
00:23:39,058 --> 00:23:41,100
♪ I love you, baby ♪
520
00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:44,267
♪ Like a flower
loves the spring ♪
521
00:23:44,267 --> 00:23:46,350
♪ And I love you, baby ♪
522
00:23:46,350 --> 00:23:49,933
♪ Like a robin loves to sing ♪
523
00:23:49,933 --> 00:23:52,058
♪ And I love you, baby ♪
524
00:23:52,058 --> 00:23:55,808
♪ Like a schoolboy
loves his pet ♪
525
00:23:55,808 --> 00:23:57,517
♪ And I love you, baby ♪
526
00:23:57,517 --> 00:24:01,350
♪ River deep
and mountain high ♪
527
00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:03,975
- "River Deep,
Mountain High"--
528
00:24:03,975 --> 00:24:07,517
to hear that song
for the first time in 1967,
529
00:24:07,517 --> 00:24:10,100
the first year of acid rock
and Memphis soul,
530
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:12,641
to hear that wall
falling toward you,
531
00:24:12,641 --> 00:24:14,517
with Tina teasing it along,
532
00:24:14,517 --> 00:24:18,225
was to understand all
the power of rock and roll.
533
00:24:18,225 --> 00:24:20,017
- ♪ Do I love you ♪
534
00:24:20,017 --> 00:24:22,975
♪ My, oh, my ♪
535
00:24:22,975 --> 00:24:26,559
♪ Yeah, river deep,
mountain high ♪
536
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:28,142
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
537
00:24:28,142 --> 00:24:30,183
- But after
"River Deep" bombed,
538
00:24:30,183 --> 00:24:32,350
Ike Turner said the Spector
production didn't get airplay
539
00:24:32,350 --> 00:24:34,808
because the soul stations
said "too pop,"
540
00:24:34,808 --> 00:24:37,933
and the white stations
said "too R&B."
541
00:24:37,933 --> 00:24:39,891
"See, what's
wrong with America
542
00:24:39,891 --> 00:24:42,017
"is that rather than accept
something for its value,
543
00:24:42,017 --> 00:24:45,100
America mixes race in it."
544
00:24:46,517 --> 00:24:48,766
What finally carried
Ike and Tina through
545
00:24:48,766 --> 00:24:51,850
was the 1969
Rolling Stones tour.
546
00:24:51,850 --> 00:24:55,309
Someone once called Tina
"The female Mick Jagger."
547
00:24:55,309 --> 00:24:57,017
To be more accurate,
548
00:24:57,017 --> 00:25:01,392
one should call Mick
"The Male Tina Turner."
549
00:25:01,392 --> 00:25:03,725
- All right, can you tell me,
just real quickly,
550
00:25:03,725 --> 00:25:06,350
what was your first
connection with the Stones?
551
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:08,434
- So I think
with the influence
552
00:25:08,434 --> 00:25:10,392
that "River Deep,
Mountain High" had on Mick,
553
00:25:10,392 --> 00:25:12,225
and then when
he came to see our show,
554
00:25:12,225 --> 00:25:14,100
he wanted, you know,
us to be on his show
555
00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:16,058
because he felt that
it would be different.
556
00:25:16,058 --> 00:25:18,350
- Right. This is a weird
question, but did you have
557
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:20,517
any kind of a rush of
excitement when you discovered
558
00:25:20,517 --> 00:25:23,225
there was a whole
new kind of a culture
559
00:25:23,225 --> 00:25:25,392
that was a ready audience
for you?
560
00:25:25,392 --> 00:25:27,434
- Hippies came,
and they changed the world.
561
00:25:27,434 --> 00:25:30,058
They changed the minds because
they said, "Well, why?
562
00:25:30,058 --> 00:25:31,850
"Why is it that you can
say that Tina Turner
563
00:25:31,850 --> 00:25:33,517
isn't as good
as The Supremes?"
564
00:25:33,517 --> 00:25:35,392
And everybody else said,
"Yeah, why?"
565
00:25:35,392 --> 00:25:37,309
This girl and their act
is just as good
566
00:25:37,309 --> 00:25:40,475
as these other people that
you figure is class.
567
00:25:40,475 --> 00:25:43,641
And she's just as
much class as they are.
568
00:25:43,641 --> 00:25:45,058
[cheers and applause]
569
00:25:45,058 --> 00:25:47,766
♪ Shoo ♪
570
00:25:47,766 --> 00:25:50,600
♪ Shoo ♪
571
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,600
♪ Shoo ♪
572
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,766
♪ Shoo ♪
573
00:25:56,766 --> 00:25:58,850
♪ Here come old flat-top ♪
574
00:25:58,850 --> 00:26:01,850
♪ He comes grooving
up slowly ♪
575
00:26:01,850 --> 00:26:04,683
♪ He's got ju-ju eyeballs ♪
576
00:26:04,683 --> 00:26:07,600
♪ He one holy roller ♪
577
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:13,683
♪ He's got hair down
to his knees ♪
578
00:26:13,683 --> 00:26:19,808
♪ Got to be a joker,
he just do what he please ♪
579
00:26:19,808 --> 00:26:20,975
♪ Shoo ♪
580
00:26:20,975 --> 00:26:22,808
- The move to interpreting
581
00:26:22,808 --> 00:26:25,434
white rock and roll,
she says, was quite natural.
582
00:26:25,434 --> 00:26:28,309
"My mother, her radio
was usually blues,
583
00:26:28,309 --> 00:26:29,808
"B.B. King and all.
584
00:26:29,808 --> 00:26:31,392
"But rock and roll
was more me.
585
00:26:31,392 --> 00:26:33,350
"When that sort
of music came on,
586
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:35,058
"I never could sit down.
587
00:26:35,058 --> 00:26:37,142
I always wanted to move."
588
00:26:37,142 --> 00:26:39,309
- ♪ He's got monkey fingers ♪
589
00:26:39,309 --> 00:26:42,058
♪ He shoots Coca-Cola ♪
590
00:26:42,058 --> 00:26:45,641
♪ He says I know you ♪
591
00:26:45,641 --> 00:26:48,309
♪ You know me ♪
592
00:26:48,309 --> 00:26:53,183
♪ One thing I can tell you
is you've got to be free ♪
593
00:26:53,183 --> 00:26:55,975
all: ♪ Come together ♪
594
00:26:55,975 --> 00:26:58,850
♪ Right now ♪
595
00:26:58,850 --> 00:27:01,142
♪ Over me ♪
596
00:27:01,142 --> 00:27:02,683
♪ Shoo ♪
597
00:27:02,683 --> 00:27:04,891
- On stage, there
may be reason to compare
598
00:27:04,891 --> 00:27:06,975
Tina Turner to Mick Jagger.
599
00:27:06,975 --> 00:27:10,683
Tina, in fact, is more
aggressive, more animalistic.
600
00:27:10,683 --> 00:27:13,017
But it is, indeed, a stage.
601
00:27:13,017 --> 00:27:14,975
"My whole thing,"
she once said,
602
00:27:14,975 --> 00:27:16,891
"Is the fact I am to Ike--
603
00:27:16,891 --> 00:27:19,017
"I'm going to
use the term 'doll'--
604
00:27:19,017 --> 00:27:21,017
that you sort of mold."
605
00:27:21,017 --> 00:27:24,309
- Do it.
- Do it, go, three, four.
606
00:27:24,309 --> 00:27:28,225
- ♪ Handful of gimme ♪
607
00:27:28,225 --> 00:27:31,808
♪ Mouthful of much obliged ♪
608
00:27:31,808 --> 00:27:33,975
- ♪ Handful of gimme ♪
609
00:27:33,975 --> 00:27:36,808
both: ♪ Mouthful
of much obliged ♪
610
00:27:36,808 --> 00:27:38,225
- Much obliged.
611
00:27:38,225 --> 00:27:40,058
- ♪ Much obliged ♪
- Right on.
612
00:27:40,058 --> 00:27:43,267
♪ ♪
613
00:27:43,267 --> 00:27:46,475
- Tina is giving me a tour
of Ike's new main studios.
614
00:27:46,475 --> 00:27:48,891
There's a double-door
air closet at the entrance
615
00:27:48,891 --> 00:27:51,434
to Ike's private quarters.
616
00:27:51,434 --> 00:27:53,058
Tina turns to Ike and says,
617
00:27:53,058 --> 00:27:55,725
"Can I tell 'em
what we call this room?
618
00:27:55,725 --> 00:27:57,559
We call it the whorehouse."
619
00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:00,392
- Let me hear it.
- ♪ Oh, never you ♪
620
00:28:00,392 --> 00:28:03,683
I asked an ex-Ikette
about Ike Turner and sex.
621
00:28:03,683 --> 00:28:07,517
"Sex, oh, my God, that's
another volume," she said.
622
00:28:07,517 --> 00:28:09,766
"I'll have to get
a cigarette on that one."
623
00:28:09,766 --> 00:28:11,975
- One, two, three, and...
624
00:28:11,975 --> 00:28:15,058
["I Smell Trouble" begins]
625
00:28:15,058 --> 00:28:17,850
♪ ♪
626
00:28:17,850 --> 00:28:20,350
- Last winter Tina was sick
with bronchial pneumonia,
627
00:28:20,350 --> 00:28:22,142
in the hospital
with her body ice-packed
628
00:28:22,142 --> 00:28:23,891
to bring
the temperature down.
629
00:28:23,891 --> 00:28:25,891
And Ike was visiting,
and he was going,
630
00:28:25,891 --> 00:28:30,142
"You get out and sing,
or you get out of the house!"
631
00:28:38,183 --> 00:28:42,267
♪ Lord knows I've tried ♪
632
00:28:42,267 --> 00:28:45,600
♪ I've tried to do
what's right ♪
633
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,975
♪ ♪
634
00:28:47,975 --> 00:28:52,309
♪ Five whole long years
I stayed home ♪
635
00:28:52,309 --> 00:28:56,142
♪ Both day and night ♪
636
00:28:56,142 --> 00:28:57,309
♪ ♪
637
00:28:57,309 --> 00:28:59,600
♪ And now I smell ♪
638
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,683
♪ A whole lot of trouble ♪
639
00:29:02,683 --> 00:29:05,225
♪ ♪
640
00:29:05,225 --> 00:29:08,267
♪ Lord, I smell trouble ♪
641
00:29:08,267 --> 00:29:10,517
♪ Ahead of me ♪
642
00:29:10,517 --> 00:29:13,142
- Ike and Tina, when they do
an interview together,
643
00:29:13,142 --> 00:29:17,600
invariably they disagree
and chide each other.
644
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,434
- ♪ Ohh ♪
645
00:29:21,434 --> 00:29:24,350
♪ Worries and trouble ♪
646
00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:26,641
♪ ♪
647
00:29:26,641 --> 00:29:29,434
♪ I declare
they just won't... ♪
648
00:29:29,434 --> 00:29:32,933
- Posing for a photo,
Ike is asked to embrace Tina.
649
00:29:32,933 --> 00:29:36,058
He does and warns,
"Better catch this quick.
650
00:29:36,058 --> 00:29:38,017
I don't do this often."
651
00:29:38,017 --> 00:29:45,142
♪ ♪
652
00:29:48,850 --> 00:29:52,683
- Oh, this is a great,
great story, great sitting.
653
00:29:52,683 --> 00:29:54,517
- Mm-hmm.
654
00:29:54,517 --> 00:29:56,434
Ike and Tina,
was he crazy at the time?
655
00:29:56,434 --> 00:29:58,267
- Yes, yes, yes.
- And what did he--
656
00:29:58,267 --> 00:30:00,350
Did he make your life difficult
in doing that picture?
657
00:30:00,350 --> 00:30:02,683
Because he threatened Ben
658
00:30:02,683 --> 00:30:04,350
at the end of that story
with something.
659
00:30:04,350 --> 00:30:06,850
- Ike didn't seem
to mind me being around,
660
00:30:06,850 --> 00:30:09,183
and I was taking a lot of,
you know, photographs,
661
00:30:09,183 --> 00:30:12,017
and I was, you know, around.
662
00:30:12,017 --> 00:30:14,891
And I told, uh,
Ben about it.
663
00:30:14,891 --> 00:30:16,725
I told him what I saw.
664
00:30:16,725 --> 00:30:19,350
You know, like, there would be
jugs full of white powder
665
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:20,891
and things like that.
666
00:30:20,891 --> 00:30:23,058
Cameras in the bedrooms.
667
00:30:23,058 --> 00:30:25,017
And Ben wrote about it,
668
00:30:25,017 --> 00:30:28,600
and, uh--and then I got
a call from Ike, saying,
669
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,142
"I trusted you.
What did--
670
00:30:30,142 --> 00:30:32,683
Annie, this is Ike,"
you know like--
671
00:30:32,683 --> 00:30:34,225
And, you know, like,
"I trusted you.
672
00:30:34,225 --> 00:30:35,975
How could you
have done this?"
673
00:30:35,975 --> 00:30:38,058
And, you know, "I have ways
to take care of this."
674
00:30:38,058 --> 00:30:43,766
♪ ♪
675
00:30:43,766 --> 00:30:46,766
Those years at "Rolling Stone"
formed me completely
676
00:30:46,766 --> 00:30:50,309
as a journalist
and a photographer.
677
00:30:50,309 --> 00:30:52,142
That's what
this work is here.
678
00:30:52,142 --> 00:30:54,641
It really is looking
at sort of growing up
679
00:30:54,641 --> 00:30:57,933
a young--
a young girl photographer.
680
00:30:57,933 --> 00:31:00,100
♪ ♪
681
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:03,058
This is my second assignment,
which is pretty incredible.
682
00:31:03,058 --> 00:31:04,392
- Mm-hmm.
683
00:31:04,392 --> 00:31:06,142
- Grace Slick
and Paul Kantner.
684
00:31:06,142 --> 00:31:08,183
- They were super popular
at the time. I mean, huge.
685
00:31:08,183 --> 00:31:11,808
It's incredible how intimate
in their lives you got,
686
00:31:11,808 --> 00:31:13,392
or they let you get.
687
00:31:13,392 --> 00:31:15,100
- But--but everyone
was that way.
688
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:16,434
I mean,
no one got dressed up.
689
00:31:16,434 --> 00:31:17,933
No one, like, you know--
690
00:31:17,933 --> 00:31:20,267
Everyone was,
like, very relaxed.
691
00:31:20,267 --> 00:31:23,017
- It's just the intimacy
level that they gave you.
692
00:31:23,017 --> 00:31:25,309
- You know, we're all sitting
on some waterbed or something.
693
00:31:25,309 --> 00:31:27,600
I don't know.
- Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
694
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,100
All the drug paraphernalia
laying around.
695
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:34,225
- When I went in
for John and Yoko, I said,
696
00:31:34,225 --> 00:31:35,933
"Oh, my gosh,
I'm photographing
697
00:31:35,933 --> 00:31:38,725
this extraordinarily
famous person."
698
00:31:38,725 --> 00:31:40,100
But they couldn't
have been nicer.
699
00:31:40,100 --> 00:31:41,975
They were incredible.
- Mm-hmm.
700
00:31:41,975 --> 00:31:44,309
- And then Yoko Ono finally
told me years later
701
00:31:44,309 --> 00:31:46,975
that they were
so impressed that you took
702
00:31:46,975 --> 00:31:48,933
a photographer
that wasn't known,
703
00:31:48,933 --> 00:31:53,017
and a girl, and let her come
and take these pictures.
704
00:31:53,017 --> 00:31:54,641
And that's why they were--
705
00:31:54,641 --> 00:31:56,559
I think that's why they were
so accommodating,
706
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:58,808
is they just--
they thought it was really
707
00:31:58,808 --> 00:32:01,600
kind of charming and sweet
that you took a sort of--
708
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,559
this unknown photographer and
let her take those pictures.
709
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:06,559
And you know the story
about this picture.
710
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:08,100
- Mm-hmm.
711
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:10,142
- You saw this picture
on a contact sheet.
712
00:32:10,142 --> 00:32:12,309
- I said, "That's the cover."
- You did, you did say that.
713
00:32:12,309 --> 00:32:13,891
- Yeah, I picked
that out immediately.
714
00:32:13,891 --> 00:32:16,475
Look at the power
of that expression.
715
00:32:16,475 --> 00:32:17,891
[John Lennon's
"Look at Me" begins]
716
00:32:17,891 --> 00:32:20,850
♪ Look at me ♪
717
00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:24,350
♪ ♪
718
00:32:24,350 --> 00:32:27,683
♪ Who am I supposed to be? ♪
719
00:32:27,683 --> 00:32:29,683
♪ Who am I supposed to be? ♪
720
00:32:29,683 --> 00:32:32,517
- Our first real contact
with John and Yoko
721
00:32:32,517 --> 00:32:35,725
was about nine or ten months
into starting "Rolling Stone."
722
00:32:35,725 --> 00:32:38,434
We heard about
the "Two Virgins" record,
723
00:32:38,434 --> 00:32:41,183
that first solo record
by John and Yoko together.
724
00:32:41,183 --> 00:32:42,683
Kind of experimental music.
725
00:32:42,683 --> 00:32:45,683
[jangly piano music]
726
00:32:45,683 --> 00:32:51,641
♪ ♪
727
00:32:51,641 --> 00:32:54,350
The cover and the back cover
of that record
728
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:58,267
was a photograph
of the two of them naked.
729
00:32:58,267 --> 00:33:01,559
Well, this was banned
in quite a lot of places,
730
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:03,392
including the United States.
731
00:33:03,392 --> 00:33:07,267
- The naked album cover,
we felt like two virgins--
732
00:33:07,267 --> 00:33:08,891
that's what the album was
called--
733
00:33:08,891 --> 00:33:10,517
because we were in love,
734
00:33:10,517 --> 00:33:13,933
just met, and we were
trying to make something.
735
00:33:13,933 --> 00:33:16,933
And we thought
to show everything.
736
00:33:16,933 --> 00:33:18,850
People are always looking
at people like me,
737
00:33:18,850 --> 00:33:20,683
trying to see
some secret or,
738
00:33:20,683 --> 00:33:22,559
"What do they do?
What do they do?"
739
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,309
You know, "Do they go
to the bathroom?
740
00:33:24,309 --> 00:33:25,641
Do they eat?"
741
00:33:25,641 --> 00:33:28,183
We just said, "Here."
You know?
742
00:33:28,183 --> 00:33:30,600
- We decided to write them
743
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,309
and tell them
we'll publish it.
744
00:33:32,309 --> 00:33:35,475
It created quite a stir.
745
00:33:35,475 --> 00:33:38,850
Really the first time we had
gotten any kind of attention.
746
00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:41,267
The "San Francisco Chronicle"
ran an article,
747
00:33:41,267 --> 00:33:46,475
which was headlined,
"Naked Beatle Perils S.F."
748
00:33:46,475 --> 00:33:48,517
And I concluded from all this,
749
00:33:48,517 --> 00:33:50,225
if you print
a famous foreskin,
750
00:33:50,225 --> 00:33:52,808
the world will beat
a path to your door.
751
00:33:52,808 --> 00:33:55,766
- One, two.
One, two, three, four.
752
00:33:55,766 --> 00:33:58,850
["Give Peace a Chance" begins]
753
00:33:58,850 --> 00:34:01,058
♪ ♪
754
00:34:01,058 --> 00:34:04,933
- ♪ Everybody's talking about
Bagism, Shagism, Dragism ♪
755
00:34:04,933 --> 00:34:06,933
♪ Madism, Ragism, Tagism ♪
756
00:34:06,933 --> 00:34:09,600
♪ This-ism, that-ism,
ism, ism, ism ♪
757
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,267
♪ ♪
758
00:34:11,267 --> 00:34:17,100
♪ All we are saying ♪
759
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:19,267
♪ Is give peace a chance ♪
760
00:34:19,267 --> 00:34:21,100
That's all we're saying!
761
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:23,475
- Because of that cover,
762
00:34:23,475 --> 00:34:27,309
we became friends
with John and Yoko.
763
00:34:27,309 --> 00:34:29,309
You know, I would speak to him
on the phone.
764
00:34:29,309 --> 00:34:30,933
He'd give us
little interviews,
765
00:34:30,933 --> 00:34:32,517
and we'd run
all these articles.
766
00:34:32,517 --> 00:34:34,475
We covered
their peace crusade,
767
00:34:34,475 --> 00:34:36,392
the bed-in,
and all the various things
768
00:34:36,392 --> 00:34:38,559
that they were doing
as John was finding his way
769
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:40,309
into political protests
770
00:34:40,309 --> 00:34:42,017
and starting to come away
from the Beatles,
771
00:34:42,017 --> 00:34:44,475
and we kind of became
the mouthpiece
772
00:34:44,475 --> 00:34:46,850
for John and Yoko.
773
00:34:46,850 --> 00:34:49,309
At the same time, people
thought he was just crazy
774
00:34:49,309 --> 00:34:51,475
for doing that kind of stuff.
775
00:34:51,475 --> 00:34:53,434
The media of the world,
they didn't want to see
776
00:34:53,434 --> 00:34:56,641
anything other than
the level mop-top Beatle.
777
00:34:56,641 --> 00:34:59,058
- What do you know about
a protest movement anyway?
778
00:34:59,058 --> 00:35:01,350
- I know a lot about it--
- It consists of a lot more
779
00:35:01,350 --> 00:35:03,600
than sending your
chauffeur and your car
780
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,933
back to Buckingham Palace.
781
00:35:04,933 --> 00:35:06,475
- You're just
a snob about it.
782
00:35:06,475 --> 00:35:07,850
The only way to make--
- You're a fake.
783
00:35:07,850 --> 00:35:09,975
- ♪ Give peace a chance ♪
784
00:35:09,975 --> 00:35:11,517
- If I'm gonna get
on the front page,
785
00:35:11,517 --> 00:35:12,766
I might as well get
on the front page
786
00:35:12,766 --> 00:35:14,183
with the word "peace."
787
00:35:14,183 --> 00:35:15,975
- But you've made
yourself ridiculous.
788
00:35:15,975 --> 00:35:17,475
- To some people.
I don't care if--
789
00:35:17,475 --> 00:35:19,183
-You're too good
for what you're doing.
790
00:35:19,183 --> 00:35:21,850
- If it saves lives--
- You don't think you--
791
00:35:21,850 --> 00:35:24,725
Oh, my dear boy, you're
living in a Never Never Land.
792
00:35:24,725 --> 00:35:28,183
- ♪ Is give peace a chance ♪
793
00:35:28,183 --> 00:35:30,683
- ♪ Everybody's talking about
revolution, evolution... ♪
794
00:35:30,683 --> 00:35:32,850
- I'm someone who
admired you very much.
795
00:35:32,850 --> 00:35:34,725
- Well, I'm sorry you liked
the old mop tops, dear,
796
00:35:34,725 --> 00:35:38,017
and you thought it was
very satirical and witty,
797
00:35:38,017 --> 00:35:39,850
and you liked
"Hard Day's Night," love,
798
00:35:39,850 --> 00:35:41,600
but I've grown up,
but you obviously haven't.
799
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,559
- Have you?
- Yes, folks.
800
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,225
- What have you grown up to?
- Oh, 29.
801
00:35:46,225 --> 00:35:47,559
- Yes, yeah.
802
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:49,058
- You were saying
that in America,
803
00:35:49,058 --> 00:35:51,017
they're so serious
about the protest movement.
804
00:35:51,017 --> 00:35:52,725
- Yes, they are.
- But they were so flippant
805
00:35:52,725 --> 00:35:54,517
that they were singing
a happy-go-lucky song,
806
00:35:54,517 --> 00:35:56,225
which happens to be
one I wrote,
807
00:35:56,225 --> 00:35:57,933
and I'm glad they sang it.
808
00:35:57,933 --> 00:36:01,766
And that was a message from me
to America or to anywhere.
809
00:36:01,766 --> 00:36:04,225
- Thank you, good-bye.
810
00:36:04,225 --> 00:36:06,434
- But the last point
was a good point,
811
00:36:06,434 --> 00:36:08,475
and she didn't want
to respond to that.
812
00:36:08,475 --> 00:36:09,808
- She didn't hear anything.
813
00:36:09,808 --> 00:36:15,225
- ♪ All we are saying ♪
814
00:36:15,225 --> 00:36:19,350
♪ Is give peace a chance ♪
815
00:36:19,350 --> 00:36:21,725
- Okay, beautiful.
Yeah.
816
00:36:21,725 --> 00:36:24,392
[cheers and applause]
817
00:36:27,808 --> 00:36:29,600
- Would you take it all back?
818
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,350
- What?
- Being a Beatle?
819
00:36:31,350 --> 00:36:33,600
- If I could be
a fucking fisherman, I would.
820
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,434
You know,
if I had the capabilities
821
00:36:35,434 --> 00:36:37,475
of being something
other than I am, I would.
822
00:36:37,475 --> 00:36:40,600
It's no fun being an artist.
It's torture.
823
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,183
I resent being an artist.
824
00:36:43,183 --> 00:36:47,309
I resent performing
for fucking idiots.
825
00:36:47,309 --> 00:36:48,600
They can't feel.
826
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,933
I'm the one that's feeling
827
00:36:49,933 --> 00:36:51,434
'cause I'm the one expressing
828
00:36:51,434 --> 00:36:53,434
what they are trying to--
829
00:36:53,434 --> 00:36:57,808
They--they live vicariously
through me and other artists.
830
00:36:57,808 --> 00:37:03,058
I'm interested in more things
with a worldwide--
831
00:37:03,058 --> 00:37:05,434
something that means
something for everyone,
832
00:37:05,434 --> 00:37:09,142
not just for a few kids
listening to wallpaper.
833
00:37:09,142 --> 00:37:13,600
You know, I'm in the game
of concept and philosophy
834
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,267
and ways of life
835
00:37:15,267 --> 00:37:17,891
and whole movements
in history.
836
00:37:17,891 --> 00:37:21,725
I'm not interested
in good guitarists.
837
00:37:21,725 --> 00:37:23,350
- You don't really believe
that we're headed
838
00:37:23,350 --> 00:37:25,142
for a violent revolution,
do you?
839
00:37:25,142 --> 00:37:28,100
- Eventually it'll happen.
840
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:29,725
It has to happen, you know?
841
00:37:29,725 --> 00:37:31,267
What else can happen?
842
00:37:31,267 --> 00:37:33,100
- The problem is
a violent revolution now
843
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:34,975
would really just be
the end of the world.
844
00:37:34,975 --> 00:37:36,933
- Not necessarily.
They say that every time.
845
00:37:36,933 --> 00:37:40,434
I don't really believe it.
And if it is, okay.
846
00:37:40,434 --> 00:37:43,142
I mean, I'm back to where
I was when I was 17, you know?
847
00:37:43,142 --> 00:37:44,808
I mean, at 17,
I used to think,
848
00:37:44,808 --> 00:37:46,808
"Well, what have you
got to lose?"
849
00:37:46,808 --> 00:37:50,683
And now I've got
nothing to lose.
850
00:37:50,683 --> 00:37:53,766
♪ I don't believe in Buddha ♪
851
00:37:53,766 --> 00:37:55,309
- I knew Beatles fans
around the world
852
00:37:55,309 --> 00:37:57,350
had never heard this before.
853
00:37:57,350 --> 00:38:01,058
Imagine a guy who so urgently
wants to be himself
854
00:38:01,058 --> 00:38:05,641
and he's being constrained in
the Fab Four soapbox package
855
00:38:05,641 --> 00:38:07,600
for so long.
856
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,225
This is what
this interview is.
857
00:38:09,225 --> 00:38:10,725
It's that box exploding.
858
00:38:10,725 --> 00:38:12,017
He's blown it to smithereens.
859
00:38:12,017 --> 00:38:16,017
That box is in tatters.
860
00:38:16,017 --> 00:38:20,183
- ♪ I don't believe
in kings ♪
861
00:38:20,183 --> 00:38:22,350
♪ ♪
862
00:38:22,350 --> 00:38:26,100
♪ I don't believe in Elvis ♪
863
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:27,683
♪ ♪
864
00:38:27,683 --> 00:38:32,225
♪ I don't believe
in Zimmerman ♪
865
00:38:32,225 --> 00:38:34,017
♪ ♪
866
00:38:34,017 --> 00:38:38,392
♪ I don't believe
in Beatles ♪
867
00:38:39,475 --> 00:38:42,725
- You say now, "I don't
believe in the Beatles."
868
00:38:42,725 --> 00:38:45,434
- Yeah, I don't believe
in the Beatles, that's all.
869
00:38:45,434 --> 00:38:49,058
I don't believe
in the Beatles myth.
870
00:38:49,058 --> 00:38:52,350
You know, I don't believe--
871
00:38:52,350 --> 00:38:54,100
I don't believe
in the Beatles.
872
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:55,891
Yeah, there's
no other way of saying it.
873
00:38:55,891 --> 00:38:57,850
Is there?
I don't believe in them.
874
00:38:57,850 --> 00:38:59,725
It was a dream.
875
00:38:59,725 --> 00:39:03,559
I don't believe
in the dream anymore.
876
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:06,725
♪ I just believe in me ♪
877
00:39:06,725 --> 00:39:10,225
♪ ♪
878
00:39:10,225 --> 00:39:12,225
♪ Yoko and me ♪
879
00:39:12,225 --> 00:39:16,225
♪ ♪
880
00:39:16,225 --> 00:39:17,933
♪ That's reality ♪
881
00:39:17,933 --> 00:39:20,058
♪ ♪
882
00:39:20,058 --> 00:39:22,434
♪ The dream is over ♪
883
00:39:22,434 --> 00:39:26,392
♪ ♪
884
00:39:26,392 --> 00:39:29,600
♪ What can I say? ♪
885
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,392
♪ ♪
886
00:39:31,392 --> 00:39:33,309
- The first "Rolling Stone"
that I bought
887
00:39:33,309 --> 00:39:36,641
was Jann's John Lennon
interview, part one.
888
00:39:36,641 --> 00:39:41,350
And I couldn't believe
the candor of John Lennon.
889
00:39:41,350 --> 00:39:44,142
I couldn't believe that
Jann would ask him this stuff.
890
00:39:44,142 --> 00:39:46,142
I couldn't believe
the honesty
891
00:39:46,142 --> 00:39:48,392
that John Lennon
answered with.
892
00:39:48,392 --> 00:39:52,517
I couldn't believe his ease
in the photos with Annie.
893
00:39:52,517 --> 00:39:55,142
I couldn't believe
he said "fuck" so much.
894
00:39:55,142 --> 00:39:58,100
I mean, this was,
like, fun to read.
895
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:01,933
- ♪ I was the Walrus ♪
896
00:40:01,933 --> 00:40:04,808
- There was this head shop
next to this bus stop,
897
00:40:04,808 --> 00:40:06,600
my school bus stop,
898
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,641
and they had "Rolling Stone"
in a glass case that said,
899
00:40:08,641 --> 00:40:11,225
"Must be 18 to buy this."
900
00:40:11,225 --> 00:40:12,766
But it was like
one of those places,
901
00:40:12,766 --> 00:40:15,017
it was like
"Ye Olde Head Shoppe"
902
00:40:15,017 --> 00:40:16,766
S-H-O-P-P-E.
903
00:40:16,766 --> 00:40:18,559
And I would--I would go
in there and, like,
904
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:20,017
see the new "Rolling Stone,"
905
00:40:20,017 --> 00:40:21,766
and eventually
they let me buy it.
906
00:40:21,766 --> 00:40:23,225
And that was how I first
907
00:40:23,225 --> 00:40:24,475
started to read
"Rolling Stone."
908
00:40:24,475 --> 00:40:26,183
- And how old were you then?
909
00:40:26,183 --> 00:40:28,517
- 14.
- Right.
910
00:40:28,517 --> 00:40:30,142
- A lucky 14.
911
00:40:30,142 --> 00:40:32,683
[laughter]
912
00:40:32,683 --> 00:40:36,891
My mom, a teacher,
who did not believe in rock,
913
00:40:36,891 --> 00:40:39,142
didn't believe it should even
be in the house,
914
00:40:39,142 --> 00:40:40,808
would never have believed
915
00:40:40,808 --> 00:40:43,267
the kind of emotional
and intellectual commitment
916
00:40:43,267 --> 00:40:46,725
that these people had towards
putting out this magazine.
917
00:40:46,725 --> 00:40:49,766
[mellow rock music]
918
00:40:49,766 --> 00:40:56,017
♪ ♪
919
00:40:56,017 --> 00:40:59,017
"Rolling Stone"
had these amazing writers.
920
00:40:59,017 --> 00:41:01,850
They were so serious
about this thing
921
00:41:01,850 --> 00:41:07,309
that was supposed
to be disposable--rock music.
922
00:41:07,309 --> 00:41:11,017
And so I was trying to, like,
make it in my own little way,
923
00:41:11,017 --> 00:41:13,350
writing for this local
underground paper--
924
00:41:13,350 --> 00:41:17,058
the "San Diego Door."
925
00:41:17,058 --> 00:41:21,434
I had started to get copies of
my reviews that I would send
926
00:41:21,434 --> 00:41:23,808
to Ben Fong-Torres
at "Rolling Stone."
927
00:41:23,808 --> 00:41:26,975
[The Rolling Stones's
"Brown Sugar" plays]
928
00:41:26,975 --> 00:41:31,891
♪ ♪
929
00:41:31,891 --> 00:41:33,725
At one point,
I got tickets
930
00:41:33,725 --> 00:41:36,683
to a 1973
Rolling Stones benefit
931
00:41:36,683 --> 00:41:38,392
that they did at the Forum.
932
00:41:38,392 --> 00:41:40,100
And there was a publicist
that said to me,
933
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:43,017
"Do you want to meet
Ben Fong-Torres?"
934
00:41:43,017 --> 00:41:44,434
I said, "Yeah, let's do it."
935
00:41:44,434 --> 00:41:47,058
She was like,
"Let's be quick."
936
00:41:47,058 --> 00:41:49,058
- ♪ Yeah, a Gold Coast
slave ship ♪
937
00:41:49,058 --> 00:41:50,808
♪ Bound for cotton fields ♪
938
00:41:50,808 --> 00:41:53,725
♪ Sold in the market
down in New Orleans ♪
939
00:41:53,725 --> 00:41:56,058
- She takes me down
to these great seats
940
00:41:56,058 --> 00:41:58,392
where Ben Fong-Torres was
and says,
941
00:41:58,392 --> 00:42:01,058
"Ben, Ben, I want you
to meet this young writer
942
00:42:01,058 --> 00:42:02,683
from San Diego."
943
00:42:02,683 --> 00:42:04,267
And he said, "Oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I think I--
944
00:42:04,267 --> 00:42:06,142
I think I know your stuff."
945
00:42:06,142 --> 00:42:07,933
And it was dark and
he couldn't see how old I was,
946
00:42:07,933 --> 00:42:09,766
and he was like,
"Yeah, great, congratulations.
947
00:42:09,766 --> 00:42:12,142
It's great to meet you.
Enjoy the show. Bye."
948
00:42:12,142 --> 00:42:16,225
But I had met Ben Fong-Torres,
and that was the beginning.
949
00:42:16,225 --> 00:42:22,434
♪ ♪
950
00:42:22,434 --> 00:42:25,808
- ♪ Drums beating cold,
English blood runs hot ♪
951
00:42:25,808 --> 00:42:29,267
♪ Lady of the house wondering
when it's gonna stop ♪
952
00:42:29,267 --> 00:42:32,808
♪ Houseboy knows that he's
doing all right ♪
953
00:42:32,808 --> 00:42:36,891
♪ You should have heard him
just around midnight ♪
954
00:42:36,891 --> 00:42:38,683
♪ ♪
955
00:42:38,683 --> 00:42:42,017
♪ Brown Sugar,
how come you dance so good? ♪
956
00:42:42,017 --> 00:42:44,559
- Ben gave me
a couple assignments--
957
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:48,142
Kris Kristofferson,
the Eagles.
958
00:42:48,142 --> 00:42:50,808
Poco was my first
byline piece.
959
00:42:50,808 --> 00:42:53,017
♪ ♪
960
00:42:53,017 --> 00:42:54,808
- Cameron was
a high-school student,
961
00:42:54,808 --> 00:42:56,475
you know, in San Diego.
962
00:42:56,475 --> 00:42:58,683
To get him to go
do pieces for us,
963
00:42:58,683 --> 00:43:01,309
we had to write notes
to the school
964
00:43:01,309 --> 00:43:04,475
getting him out of classes.
965
00:43:04,475 --> 00:43:07,475
Here comes Cameron,
this fresh-faced kid,
966
00:43:07,475 --> 00:43:10,641
super interested in music,
and "aw shucks."
967
00:43:10,641 --> 00:43:13,309
And I think everybody
loved him for that.
968
00:43:13,309 --> 00:43:15,267
- Is Nixon still
on their minds?
969
00:43:15,267 --> 00:43:17,975
I was just happy
to be there.
970
00:43:17,975 --> 00:43:19,891
I felt like I was a fan,
971
00:43:19,891 --> 00:43:22,475
who, along with
his front-row seat,
972
00:43:22,475 --> 00:43:24,891
got an opportunity
to ask the questions
973
00:43:24,891 --> 00:43:27,933
that I really wanted
to know the answers to.
974
00:43:27,933 --> 00:43:31,058
- ♪ Just like
a young boy should ♪
975
00:43:31,058 --> 00:43:32,683
- One of my first
pieces for them
976
00:43:32,683 --> 00:43:34,641
was a review of Joe Walsh.
977
00:43:34,641 --> 00:43:38,100
Jann sent me
a note that said,
978
00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:40,600
"Nice job.
Your stuff's getting better.
979
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,017
Jann."
980
00:43:42,017 --> 00:43:43,891
Which I thought,
"That's amazing.
981
00:43:43,891 --> 00:43:46,850
He's reading
my Joe Walsh review."
982
00:43:46,850 --> 00:43:49,600
- In that period,
I was the hands-on editor
983
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,350
of the magazine
of all these writers.
984
00:43:51,350 --> 00:43:54,183
And we had
a real great stable of them.
985
00:43:54,183 --> 00:43:56,100
My job is knowing
what somebody's good at,
986
00:43:56,100 --> 00:43:57,725
getting them to do
what they're good at,
987
00:43:57,725 --> 00:43:59,641
or matching them
with a good idea.
988
00:43:59,641 --> 00:44:01,517
You know, sometimes
great writers just don't know
989
00:44:01,517 --> 00:44:03,225
what they should write about.
990
00:44:03,225 --> 00:44:05,225
And fairly quickly
"Rolling Stone" became
991
00:44:05,225 --> 00:44:07,392
more than a music magazine.
992
00:44:07,392 --> 00:44:09,142
We had really taken over
from "Esquire"
993
00:44:09,142 --> 00:44:10,891
as the home
of the new journalism.
994
00:44:10,891 --> 00:44:15,434
I mean, by '73,
I had recruited Tom Wolfe.
995
00:44:15,434 --> 00:44:17,225
- "Rolling Stone"
has been, um,
996
00:44:17,225 --> 00:44:20,641
extremely flexible
and willing to take chances
997
00:44:20,641 --> 00:44:22,350
and not frightened.
998
00:44:22,350 --> 00:44:24,017
"Rolling Stone"
broke all the rules.
999
00:44:24,017 --> 00:44:25,975
In an era
in which young people
1000
00:44:25,975 --> 00:44:29,142
were supposed to have
the shortest attention spans,
1001
00:44:29,142 --> 00:44:30,850
started running articles
that were endless.
1002
00:44:30,850 --> 00:44:32,434
I wrote some of them myself.
1003
00:44:32,434 --> 00:44:35,766
- With "Rolling Stone,"
I was given the room
1004
00:44:35,766 --> 00:44:39,725
and the range to really
kick ass, you know,
1005
00:44:39,725 --> 00:44:43,641
to stomp on the terra,
as Lord Buckley said.
1006
00:44:43,641 --> 00:44:47,766
And very few places, uh,
will give you that.
1007
00:44:47,766 --> 00:44:53,183
♪ ♪
1008
00:44:53,183 --> 00:44:55,725
- My guest,
he's the roving correspondent,
1009
00:44:55,725 --> 00:44:57,933
you might say,
for "Rolling Stone."
1010
00:44:57,933 --> 00:44:59,725
One of the most remarkable
journalists
1011
00:44:59,725 --> 00:45:02,766
in the country today,
Hunter S. Thompson, DGS,
1012
00:45:02,766 --> 00:45:05,517
Doctor of Gonzo Journalism.
1013
00:45:05,517 --> 00:45:06,600
- No.
1014
00:45:12,933 --> 00:45:14,933
- What is gonzo journalism?
1015
00:45:14,933 --> 00:45:17,267
- Subjectivity,
total subjectivity.
1016
00:45:17,267 --> 00:45:20,808
Uh, out-front bias,
participation.
1017
00:45:20,808 --> 00:45:23,017
You are a part of the story.
1018
00:45:23,017 --> 00:45:24,725
♪ ♪
1019
00:45:24,725 --> 00:45:26,183
- Who first came up
with the idea
1020
00:45:26,183 --> 00:45:28,434
of Hunter covering
a campaign?
1021
00:45:28,434 --> 00:45:30,975
- I did.
1022
00:45:30,975 --> 00:45:32,850
At first, I came up
with the idea
1023
00:45:32,850 --> 00:45:35,891
that he should go to Vietnam
and cover the war there.
1024
00:45:35,891 --> 00:45:37,309
- Nice.
1025
00:45:37,309 --> 00:45:39,100
- As we were getting
ready to do it,
1026
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:42,309
I kind of, like, was having
second thoughts about it.
1027
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:44,434
- [sniffs]
1028
00:45:44,434 --> 00:45:46,350
- Let's re-mark him.
1029
00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:48,808
- 961.
1030
00:45:48,808 --> 00:45:51,350
- You know, I don't know--
I was getting cold feet on it
1031
00:45:51,350 --> 00:45:53,475
for some reason or another.
1032
00:45:53,475 --> 00:45:56,641
- But I'd like to ask you
why you use drugs.
1033
00:45:56,641 --> 00:46:00,766
- It's been
demonstratively proven
1034
00:46:00,766 --> 00:46:04,641
that temper tantrums are not
the best way to do interviews,
1035
00:46:04,641 --> 00:46:07,058
and probably my life
will be easier and yours, too,
1036
00:46:07,058 --> 00:46:09,683
if I smoke a joint.
1037
00:46:09,683 --> 00:46:13,017
If I were to sit here
in a fit of anger
1038
00:46:13,017 --> 00:46:14,808
and you saw me eating acid,
1039
00:46:14,808 --> 00:46:17,975
if I were you, I'd leave
with all the equipment.
1040
00:46:17,975 --> 00:46:20,891
- We set out
on the campaign as partners
1041
00:46:20,891 --> 00:46:24,183
in an effort
to influence the election,
1042
00:46:24,183 --> 00:46:26,142
see what we could do with
the "Rolling Stone" audience's
1043
00:46:26,142 --> 00:46:28,017
so-called youth vote.
1044
00:46:28,017 --> 00:46:29,850
Nearly all of our audience
could all of a sudden vote
1045
00:46:29,850 --> 00:46:31,641
for the first time
in American history.
1046
00:46:31,641 --> 00:46:33,683
How do you make politics
appealing to an audience
1047
00:46:33,683 --> 00:46:35,517
that didn't like politics?
1048
00:46:35,517 --> 00:46:37,850
I mean, take the guy
who wrote "Hell's Angels"
1049
00:46:37,850 --> 00:46:40,392
and send him out
to cover this cast of thugs
1050
00:46:40,392 --> 00:46:42,933
and power mad freaks,
and, you know,
1051
00:46:42,933 --> 00:46:46,975
all these people running
around, you know, and Nixon.
1052
00:46:46,975 --> 00:46:48,891
- Would you have
any other place
1053
00:46:48,891 --> 00:46:51,600
to publish your stuff if
it wasn't for "Rolling Stone"?
1054
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,392
- Oh, yeah.
1055
00:46:53,392 --> 00:46:56,600
But there's not too many
places that would pay for it.
1056
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,475
We've come to the point
where every four years,
1057
00:46:58,475 --> 00:47:00,600
this national fever
rises up.
1058
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,309
This hunger for the Savior,
1059
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:05,309
the White Knight,
the Man on Horseback,
1060
00:47:05,309 --> 00:47:08,058
and whoever wins becomes
so immensely powerful,
1061
00:47:08,058 --> 00:47:10,309
like Nixon is now,
1062
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:12,475
that when you vote
for President today
1063
00:47:12,475 --> 00:47:14,392
you're talking
about giving a man
1064
00:47:14,392 --> 00:47:16,225
dictatorial power
for four years.
1065
00:47:16,225 --> 00:47:17,933
You almost have
to be a rock star
1066
00:47:17,933 --> 00:47:19,683
to generate the kind of fever
1067
00:47:19,683 --> 00:47:22,434
you need to survive
in American politics.
1068
00:47:22,434 --> 00:47:25,766
["Jumpin' Jack Flash" plays]
1069
00:47:25,766 --> 00:47:27,600
- ♪ I was born ♪
1070
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,808
♪ In a crossfire hurricane ♪
1071
00:47:30,808 --> 00:47:32,683
- In a letter released today,
1072
00:47:32,683 --> 00:47:34,933
President Nixon announced that
he will run for re-election.
1073
00:47:34,933 --> 00:47:38,517
- ♪ At my ma
in the driving rain ♪
1074
00:47:38,517 --> 00:47:40,600
[cheering]
1075
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,267
♪ But it's all right,
yeah, it's all right ♪
1076
00:47:44,267 --> 00:47:46,641
- There's no lack
of Democratic candidates.
1077
00:47:46,641 --> 00:47:49,434
Maine Senator Edmund Muskie
is an early favorite.
1078
00:47:49,434 --> 00:47:52,933
Also in the race, South Dakota
Senator George McGovern,
1079
00:47:52,933 --> 00:47:56,975
dark-horse choice
of the youth vote.
1080
00:47:56,975 --> 00:48:00,559
- ♪ Whoo ♪
1081
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:02,641
- When you go to Washington...
- Yeah.
1082
00:48:02,641 --> 00:48:06,766
- You must make applications
for press credentials.
1083
00:48:06,766 --> 00:48:08,808
- I don't think they'd
even consider ignoring
1084
00:48:08,808 --> 00:48:11,225
or turning down
"Rolling Stone" anyway.
1085
00:48:11,225 --> 00:48:13,058
Unless there was
somebody that had something
1086
00:48:13,058 --> 00:48:15,100
really personal against me.
1087
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:17,225
But, uh, I can't think
of anybody,
1088
00:48:17,225 --> 00:48:19,309
except some
of Nixon's people might.
1089
00:48:19,309 --> 00:48:20,475
- Yeah, yeah.
1090
00:48:20,475 --> 00:48:22,142
- ♪ But it's all right ♪
1091
00:48:22,142 --> 00:48:23,808
- The only way a reporter
1092
00:48:23,808 --> 00:48:25,975
should look
at a politician is down.
1093
00:48:25,975 --> 00:48:28,017
When I went to Washington,
1094
00:48:28,017 --> 00:48:30,559
I was determined to avoid the
clubby, personal relationships
1095
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:32,975
that develop between
politicians and journalists.
1096
00:48:32,975 --> 00:48:34,891
But there are
serious problems
1097
00:48:34,891 --> 00:48:37,475
with that kind of merciless,
ball-busting approach.
1098
00:48:37,475 --> 00:48:39,808
The most obvious
had to do with my natural,
1099
00:48:39,808 --> 00:48:43,183
out-front bias
for the McGovern candidacy.
1100
00:48:43,183 --> 00:48:46,225
- We ought to have
on our hearts the young men
1101
00:48:46,225 --> 00:48:49,475
who are still tied down
in the bitter fighting.
1102
00:48:49,475 --> 00:48:52,933
I want the war
in Vietnam ended,
1103
00:48:52,933 --> 00:48:55,142
and I want it ended
without delay.
1104
00:48:55,142 --> 00:48:58,225
- He is probably the most
honest big-time politician
1105
00:48:58,225 --> 00:49:00,559
in America, which is not
quite the same thing
1106
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,434
as being the best candidate.
1107
00:49:02,434 --> 00:49:04,600
For that, McGovern
would need at least one dark,
1108
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,600
kinky streak of Mick Jagger
in his soul.
1109
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,850
- ♪ I was drowned ♪
1110
00:49:08,850 --> 00:49:11,766
♪ I was washed up
and left for dead ♪
1111
00:49:11,766 --> 00:49:13,641
- So much for objective
journalism.
1112
00:49:13,641 --> 00:49:15,850
Don't bother
to look for it here,
1113
00:49:15,850 --> 00:49:17,267
not under any byline of mine
1114
00:49:17,267 --> 00:49:18,891
or anyone else I can think of.
1115
00:49:18,891 --> 00:49:20,183
With the possible exception
1116
00:49:20,183 --> 00:49:21,975
of things like box scores,
1117
00:49:21,975 --> 00:49:24,142
race results,
and stock market tabulations,
1118
00:49:24,142 --> 00:49:27,267
there is no such thing
as objective journalism.
1119
00:49:27,267 --> 00:49:30,559
The phrase itself is a pompous
contradiction in terms.
1120
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,183
It's the built-in blind spots
of the objective rules
1121
00:49:33,183 --> 00:49:35,517
and dogma that allowed Nixon
to slither
1122
00:49:35,517 --> 00:49:38,267
into the White House
in the first place.
1123
00:49:38,267 --> 00:49:40,017
- Let us be strong.
1124
00:49:40,017 --> 00:49:42,683
Let us be for peace,
but let us be for peace
1125
00:49:42,683 --> 00:49:45,142
through strength and not
peace through weakness.
1126
00:49:45,142 --> 00:49:46,725
That is what we stand for.
1127
00:49:46,725 --> 00:49:49,017
- Richard Nixon
represents the dark side
1128
00:49:49,017 --> 00:49:50,725
of the American Dream.
1129
00:49:50,725 --> 00:49:52,475
Richard Nixon stands,
to me, for everything
1130
00:49:52,475 --> 00:49:54,891
that I not only have
contempt for but dislike
1131
00:49:54,891 --> 00:49:56,891
and think should be
stomped out...
1132
00:49:56,891 --> 00:50:00,225
greed, treachery,
stupidity, cupidity,
1133
00:50:00,225 --> 00:50:01,975
positive power of lying,
1134
00:50:01,975 --> 00:50:04,142
total contempt
for, uh, any sort
1135
00:50:04,142 --> 00:50:07,267
of human constructive
political instinct.
1136
00:50:07,267 --> 00:50:10,517
Nixon represents everything
that's wrong with this country.
1137
00:50:10,517 --> 00:50:11,975
- Hi.
1138
00:50:11,975 --> 00:50:13,392
- There are only
two ways to make it
1139
00:50:13,392 --> 00:50:15,058
in big-time politics today.
1140
00:50:15,058 --> 00:50:17,058
One is to come on
like a mean dinosaur
1141
00:50:17,058 --> 00:50:19,017
with a high-powered
machine that scares the shit
1142
00:50:19,017 --> 00:50:21,975
out of your entrenched
opposition, like Nixon.
1143
00:50:21,975 --> 00:50:25,475
And the other is to tap the
massive frustrated energies
1144
00:50:25,475 --> 00:50:27,975
of a mainly young,
disillusioned electorate
1145
00:50:27,975 --> 00:50:30,850
that has long since
abandoned the idea
1146
00:50:30,850 --> 00:50:33,017
that you have a duty to vote.
1147
00:50:33,017 --> 00:50:35,600
- Thank you.
- Whoo!
1148
00:50:37,267 --> 00:50:39,100
- There were five people
or six people
1149
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:40,850
covering
the McGovern campaign,
1150
00:50:40,850 --> 00:50:42,891
of whom two were
from "Rolling Stone"--
1151
00:50:42,891 --> 00:50:45,517
Hunter and Tim Crouse, who
was one of our junior stars,
1152
00:50:45,517 --> 00:50:47,267
and he wanted to be up there
and cover the campaign.
1153
00:50:47,267 --> 00:50:48,975
I said, "Sure, go right ahead,
1154
00:50:48,975 --> 00:50:51,600
and you can help Hunter
while you're at it."
1155
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,683
- The whole idea
of a revolution
1156
00:50:55,683 --> 00:50:58,142
that would bring about freedom
from repression,
1157
00:50:58,142 --> 00:51:02,058
freedom from convention,
that would repudiate war,
1158
00:51:02,058 --> 00:51:05,850
Hunter was very romantic
about those things.
1159
00:51:05,850 --> 00:51:08,267
Hunter thought that politics
1160
00:51:08,267 --> 00:51:10,559
could be the vehicle
for making the world safe
1161
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:14,641
for the counterculture
and for its ideals.
1162
00:51:14,641 --> 00:51:17,517
Essentially, he was a man
1163
00:51:17,517 --> 00:51:19,766
in search
of an honest politician,
1164
00:51:19,766 --> 00:51:22,142
and the only candidate
in sight
1165
00:51:22,142 --> 00:51:25,933
who even vaguely qualified
was George McGovern,
1166
00:51:25,933 --> 00:51:30,309
and at the same time,
Hunter had it in for Muskie,
1167
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:33,975
the man who McGovern
was in competition with,
1168
00:51:33,975 --> 00:51:35,725
like you couldn't believe.
1169
00:51:35,725 --> 00:51:39,309
Hunter just could
not lay off of Muskie.
1170
00:51:39,309 --> 00:51:42,559
- What did you do
to Ed Muskie?
1171
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,641
- Nothing, unless
he did it to himself.
1172
00:51:45,641 --> 00:51:48,017
I just helped him along.
1173
00:51:48,017 --> 00:51:50,517
Toward the end of
the Wisconsin primary race,
1174
00:51:50,517 --> 00:51:52,392
about a week before the vote,
1175
00:51:52,392 --> 00:51:54,891
word leaked out that some
of Muskie's top advisors
1176
00:51:54,891 --> 00:51:56,891
had called in
a Brazilian doctor
1177
00:51:56,891 --> 00:51:58,559
who was said to be
treating the candidate
1178
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,517
with some kind of
strange drug
1179
00:52:00,517 --> 00:52:03,933
that nobody in the press corps
had ever heard of.
1180
00:52:03,933 --> 00:52:05,933
I immediately recognized
the ibogaine effect
1181
00:52:05,933 --> 00:52:08,183
from Muskie's tearful
breakdown on the flatbed truck
1182
00:52:08,183 --> 00:52:09,766
in New Hampshire,
1183
00:52:09,766 --> 00:52:11,517
the delusions
and altered thinking
1184
00:52:11,517 --> 00:52:13,559
that characterized
his campaign in Florida,
1185
00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:16,309
and finally the condition
of total rage
1186
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:17,975
that gripped him
in Wisconsin.
1187
00:52:17,975 --> 00:52:19,600
It is entirely conceivable,
1188
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,392
given the known effects
of ibogaine,
1189
00:52:21,392 --> 00:52:23,267
that Muskie's brain
was almost paralyzed
1190
00:52:23,267 --> 00:52:24,975
by hallucinations
at the time,
1191
00:52:24,975 --> 00:52:26,766
that he looked out
at the crowd
1192
00:52:26,766 --> 00:52:28,725
and saw Gila monsters
instead of people.
1193
00:52:28,725 --> 00:52:30,392
We can only speculate on this,
1194
00:52:30,392 --> 00:52:32,350
because those
in a position to know
1195
00:52:32,350 --> 00:52:34,891
have flatly refused to
comment on rumors concerning
1196
00:52:34,891 --> 00:52:39,017
the senator's disastrous
experiments with ibogaine.
1197
00:52:39,017 --> 00:52:41,392
- The rumor began
to spread everywhere
1198
00:52:41,392 --> 00:52:43,517
among all the people who
were covering the campaign
1199
00:52:43,517 --> 00:52:46,058
that Muskie was, in fact,
on this bizarre drug.
1200
00:52:46,058 --> 00:52:48,434
You finally said,
well, you made it all up.
1201
00:52:48,434 --> 00:52:50,142
- I had to.
1202
00:52:50,142 --> 00:52:52,225
I couldn't believe people
took this stuff seriously.
1203
00:52:52,225 --> 00:52:55,142
People really believed that
Muskie was eating ibogaine.
1204
00:52:55,142 --> 00:52:56,808
I never said he was.
1205
00:52:56,808 --> 00:52:58,891
I said there was a rumor
in Milwaukee that he was,
1206
00:52:58,891 --> 00:53:00,350
which was true.
1207
00:53:00,350 --> 00:53:02,267
And I started the rumor
in Milwaukee.
1208
00:53:02,267 --> 00:53:04,225
[laughter]
And, uh...
1209
00:53:04,225 --> 00:53:06,683
Yeah, if you read it carefully,
I'm a very accurate journalist.
1210
00:53:06,683 --> 00:53:09,766
[man scatting, vocalizing]
1211
00:53:09,766 --> 00:53:11,766
♪ ♪
1212
00:53:11,766 --> 00:53:14,434
[upbeat rock music]
1213
00:53:14,434 --> 00:53:16,267
- The Miami Democratic
Convention
1214
00:53:16,267 --> 00:53:18,434
was shaping up very fast
as one of the most brutal
1215
00:53:18,434 --> 00:53:21,600
and degrading
animal acts of our time.
1216
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,350
Jerry Rubin is making
frequent appearances
1217
00:53:23,350 --> 00:53:24,850
on local TV
to warn that...
1218
00:53:24,850 --> 00:53:26,600
- There will be
ten thousand Yippies
1219
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,517
marching naked
down this street.
1220
00:53:28,517 --> 00:53:30,600
There's gonna be
marijuana smoked everywhere,
1221
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,267
including from the delegates.
1222
00:53:32,267 --> 00:53:35,559
- ♪ High, high,
you too can be happy ♪
1223
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:36,766
♪ La-dee-da ♪
1224
00:53:36,766 --> 00:53:40,600
[indistinct chatter, chanting]
1225
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,183
- Will the 36th
annual convention
1226
00:53:44,183 --> 00:53:48,017
of the Democratic Party
please come to order?
1227
00:53:48,017 --> 00:53:50,017
- After four hours
of listening
1228
00:53:50,017 --> 00:53:52,850
to a seemingly endless parade
of shameless dingbats,
1229
00:53:52,850 --> 00:53:54,475
about half
the delegates in the hall
1230
00:53:54,475 --> 00:53:56,267
were beginning
to lose control.
1231
00:53:56,267 --> 00:53:57,891
All over the floor,
I saw people
1232
00:53:57,891 --> 00:53:59,975
giving in
to the lure of booze,
1233
00:53:59,975 --> 00:54:01,725
and in the crowded aisle
1234
00:54:01,725 --> 00:54:04,058
between the California
and Wisconsin delegations,
1235
00:54:04,058 --> 00:54:06,808
a smiling freak with
a bottle of liquid THC
1236
00:54:06,808 --> 00:54:08,517
was giving free hits
to anyone
1237
00:54:08,517 --> 00:54:10,641
who still had
the strength to stand.
1238
00:54:10,641 --> 00:54:12,392
- It's very good.
1239
00:54:12,392 --> 00:54:14,309
- Okay.
- Before it's too late.
1240
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:16,517
Takes about an hour.
[both laughing]
1241
00:54:18,683 --> 00:54:20,808
- McGovern had put together
1242
00:54:20,808 --> 00:54:22,808
a really mind-bending
coalition...
1243
00:54:22,808 --> 00:54:25,309
a weird mix of peace freaks
and hard hats,
1244
00:54:25,309 --> 00:54:26,808
farmers and film stars,
1245
00:54:26,808 --> 00:54:29,183
along with urban blacks,
rural Chicanos,
1246
00:54:29,183 --> 00:54:30,891
the youth vote--
1247
00:54:30,891 --> 00:54:33,766
a coalition that
could elect almost anybody.
1248
00:54:33,766 --> 00:54:36,017
- You're a director
as well as an actor.
1249
00:54:36,017 --> 00:54:38,891
Do you feel that this change
really gets to the young people
1250
00:54:38,891 --> 00:54:40,683
who in a way are
your constituency,
1251
00:54:40,683 --> 00:54:42,142
your special followers?
1252
00:54:42,142 --> 00:54:43,933
- The fact
that they are involved,
1253
00:54:43,933 --> 00:54:45,850
that they are interested
and they realize that there is
1254
00:54:45,850 --> 00:54:49,267
a process with which they
can govern their own society.
1255
00:54:49,267 --> 00:54:52,183
I think that
they feel included.
1256
00:54:52,183 --> 00:54:53,683
- By midnight on Monday,
1257
00:54:53,683 --> 00:54:55,808
McGovern would get
the nomination.
1258
00:54:55,808 --> 00:54:58,517
- From military spending
so wasteful
1259
00:54:58,517 --> 00:55:03,017
that it weakens our nation,
come home, America.
1260
00:55:03,017 --> 00:55:07,725
Come home to the belief that
we can seek a newer world.
1261
00:55:07,725 --> 00:55:10,850
[wild cheering]
1262
00:55:17,850 --> 00:55:22,225
- ♪ Glory, glory, hallelujah ♪
1263
00:55:22,225 --> 00:55:26,725
♪ Glory, glory, hallelujah ♪
1264
00:55:26,725 --> 00:55:30,559
♪ Glory, glory, hallelujah ♪
1265
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:35,434
♪ His truth is marching on ♪
1266
00:55:35,434 --> 00:55:39,058
- Compared to the Democratic
Convention five weeks earlier,
1267
00:55:39,058 --> 00:55:40,891
the Nixon celebration
was an ugly,
1268
00:55:40,891 --> 00:55:42,475
low-level trip
that hovered somewhere
1269
00:55:42,475 --> 00:55:44,517
in that grim
indefinable limbo
1270
00:55:44,517 --> 00:55:46,559
between dullness
and obscenity,
1271
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:48,808
like a bad pornographic film
that you want to walk out on,
1272
00:55:48,808 --> 00:55:51,058
but sit through anyway
and then leave the theater
1273
00:55:51,058 --> 00:55:54,058
feeling depressed
and vaguely embarrassed.
1274
00:55:54,058 --> 00:55:55,808
There may not be
much difference
1275
00:55:55,808 --> 00:55:57,850
between Democrats
and Republicans.
1276
00:55:57,850 --> 00:55:59,808
I've made
that argument myself,
1277
00:55:59,808 --> 00:56:02,475
but only a blind geek
could miss the difference
1278
00:56:02,475 --> 00:56:05,641
between McGovern
and Richard Nixon.
1279
00:56:05,641 --> 00:56:08,766
[crowd cheering]
1280
00:56:12,766 --> 00:56:14,850
I'm not an easy person
to deal with
1281
00:56:14,850 --> 00:56:16,808
in terms of deadlines,
1282
00:56:16,808 --> 00:56:19,017
and when I didn't show up
for three or four days,
1283
00:56:19,017 --> 00:56:20,933
they decided to do
the only logical thing.
1284
00:56:20,933 --> 00:56:22,517
- Thanks.
1285
00:56:22,517 --> 00:56:24,559
- One afternoon,
they showed up at my door
1286
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:26,850
with no warning and loaded
about 40 pounds of supplies
1287
00:56:26,850 --> 00:56:29,434
into the room--
two cases of Mexican beer,
1288
00:56:29,434 --> 00:56:32,559
four quarts of gin, a dozen
grapefruits, and enough speed
1289
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:36,267
to alter the outcome
of about six Super Bowls.
1290
00:56:36,267 --> 00:56:38,142
Also a big Selectric
typewriter,
1291
00:56:38,142 --> 00:56:40,559
two reams of paper,
and three tape-recorders...
1292
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,641
Everything stops,
comes to a grinding halt.
1293
00:56:42,641 --> 00:56:44,683
Just in case the situation
got so desperate
1294
00:56:44,683 --> 00:56:48,641
that I might finally have to
resort to verbal composition.
1295
00:56:48,641 --> 00:56:51,683
["Who'll Stop the Rain" plays]
1296
00:56:51,683 --> 00:56:58,808
♪ ♪
1297
00:57:00,309 --> 00:57:03,850
- ♪ Long as I remember ♪
1298
00:57:03,850 --> 00:57:07,933
♪ The rain's been
coming down ♪
1299
00:57:07,933 --> 00:57:10,267
♪ Clouds of mystery pouring ♪
1300
00:57:10,267 --> 00:57:12,683
- If the current polls
are reliable,
1301
00:57:12,683 --> 00:57:15,641
Nixon will be re-elected by
a huge majority of Americans
1302
00:57:15,641 --> 00:57:17,600
who feel he is
not only more honest
1303
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,475
and more trustworthy,
1304
00:57:19,475 --> 00:57:22,683
but also more likely
to end the war in Vietnam.
1305
00:57:22,683 --> 00:57:26,808
- ♪ And I wonder,
still I wonder ♪
1306
00:57:26,808 --> 00:57:30,183
♪ Who'll stop the rain ♪
1307
00:57:30,183 --> 00:57:33,309
- This may be the year when we
finally come face-to-face
1308
00:57:33,309 --> 00:57:36,225
with ourselves, that we
are really just a nation
1309
00:57:36,225 --> 00:57:38,683
of 220 million
used-car salesmen
1310
00:57:38,683 --> 00:57:41,350
with all the money we need
to buy guns
1311
00:57:41,350 --> 00:57:44,017
and no qualms about killing
anybody else
1312
00:57:44,017 --> 00:57:45,891
that tries to make us
uncomfortable.
1313
00:57:45,891 --> 00:57:48,183
- ♪ I watched
the tower grow ♪
1314
00:57:48,183 --> 00:57:51,058
- So far, no states projected
for Senator McGovern.
1315
00:57:51,058 --> 00:57:53,641
- This is
a considerable sweep
1316
00:57:53,641 --> 00:57:56,517
for President Nixon,
the definition of a landslide.
1317
00:57:56,517 --> 00:57:59,975
- ♪ And I wonder,
still I wonder ♪
1318
00:57:59,975 --> 00:58:03,017
♪ Who'll stop the rain ♪
1319
00:58:03,017 --> 00:58:05,475
- Jesus, where will it end?
1320
00:58:05,475 --> 00:58:08,559
How low do you have to stoop
in this country
1321
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:10,267
to be president?
1322
00:58:10,267 --> 00:58:12,225
♪ ♪
1323
00:58:50,183 --> 00:58:54,100
[gentle music]
1324
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:58,058
It is Nixon himself
who represents that dark,
1325
00:58:58,058 --> 00:59:00,434
venal, and incurably
violent side
1326
00:59:00,434 --> 00:59:02,225
of the American character.
1327
00:59:02,225 --> 00:59:05,225
He speaks for the werewolf
in us, the bully,
1328
00:59:05,225 --> 00:59:06,808
the predatory shyster
1329
00:59:06,808 --> 00:59:09,058
who turns into something
unspeakable,
1330
00:59:09,058 --> 00:59:11,683
full of claws
and bleeding string warts
1331
00:59:11,683 --> 00:59:15,850
on nights when the moon
comes too close.
1332
00:59:15,850 --> 00:59:18,309
- There was something
going on with Hunter Thompson
1333
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:21,267
that was going to sort of
like, you know--
1334
00:59:21,267 --> 00:59:23,808
that was explosive
and charismatic,
1335
00:59:23,808 --> 00:59:25,725
and he really wanted to be
a lone wolf.
1336
00:59:25,725 --> 00:59:29,434
He would push me away from him
to go out and do my own story.
1337
00:59:29,434 --> 00:59:32,475
So, you know,
on some level, um,
1338
00:59:32,475 --> 00:59:34,683
you know, the writer
and the photographer
1339
00:59:34,683 --> 00:59:37,434
really were pushed into
separate directions, you know.
1340
00:59:37,434 --> 00:59:39,475
And--and the photographs
did not have to mirror
1341
00:59:39,475 --> 00:59:41,142
what was in the story,
but they could--
1342
00:59:41,142 --> 00:59:42,975
they would always
complement the story,
1343
00:59:42,975 --> 00:59:45,475
and they could always
add to what, you know,
1344
00:59:45,475 --> 00:59:48,600
what the story was about.
1345
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,058
Um, San Clemente,
1346
00:59:52,058 --> 00:59:55,350
pictures from San Clemente.
1347
00:59:55,350 --> 00:59:57,766
White House press bus,
the restless wind.
1348
00:59:57,766 --> 00:59:59,309
- [chuckles]
1349
00:59:59,309 --> 01:00:02,600
- These are the pictures
from leaving.
1350
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,142
- When he resigned,
1351
01:00:04,142 --> 01:00:06,017
we were kind of stuck
with nothing when Hunter
1352
01:00:06,017 --> 01:00:08,225
didn't write anything,
and you had this portfolio.
1353
01:00:08,225 --> 01:00:12,100
So our contribution to the
coverage of his resignation--
1354
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:13,559
- You were on deadline.
1355
01:00:13,559 --> 01:00:15,142
You were leaving all those
pages for Hunter,
1356
01:00:15,142 --> 01:00:17,683
and you filled it up
with these pictures,
1357
01:00:17,683 --> 01:00:20,683
which was unbelievable
to take these pictures that--
1358
01:00:20,683 --> 01:00:23,933
that needed space,
that needed to go big,
1359
01:00:23,933 --> 01:00:27,142
and you created
a classic photo spread.
1360
01:00:27,142 --> 01:00:28,392
- Mm-hmm.
1361
01:00:28,392 --> 01:00:30,559
Who will ever forget
that image?
1362
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:32,683
Unbelievable.
1363
01:00:39,350 --> 01:00:41,058
- It was timely,
because we could do this--
1364
01:00:41,058 --> 01:00:42,808
we could--
one, I didn't think--
1365
01:00:42,808 --> 01:00:44,517
one, I didn't think
we had a cover picture.
1366
01:00:44,517 --> 01:00:46,517
We had an old hero picture,
right?
1367
01:00:46,517 --> 01:00:48,475
I'm not keen on these.
1368
01:00:48,475 --> 01:00:50,100
- So we are choosing it on
photos rather than story?
1369
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:52,100
- No, I happen to
think that the cover idea
1370
01:00:52,100 --> 01:00:53,766
that we've evolved now,
you now,
1371
01:00:53,766 --> 01:00:56,683
which is shooting against
an all-white seamless,
1372
01:00:56,683 --> 01:00:58,309
is fantastic, and we're gon--
1373
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:59,933
I love it.
It looks beautiful.
1374
01:00:59,933 --> 01:01:01,766
- You don't necessarily
have to always shoot
1375
01:01:01,766 --> 01:01:04,641
on white, because as long
as it's a consistent style--
1376
01:01:04,641 --> 01:01:06,350
- Not a matter
of subject matter
1377
01:01:06,350 --> 01:01:08,142
or whether you use white
backgrounds on the cover,
1378
01:01:08,142 --> 01:01:09,891
black backgrounds
or red borders or whatever,
1379
01:01:09,891 --> 01:01:11,725
there are only X number
of rock and roll covers
1380
01:01:11,725 --> 01:01:13,641
you can do anymore, and
it's getting less and less--
1381
01:01:13,641 --> 01:01:15,017
and it's not
the nature of us.
1382
01:01:15,017 --> 01:01:16,559
It's the nature
of the industry,
1383
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:18,225
and it's going
to continue that way.
1384
01:01:18,225 --> 01:01:20,891
- Uh, yeah.
Okay, next.
1385
01:01:20,891 --> 01:01:24,058
[James Brown's
"Papa Don't Take No Mess"]
1386
01:01:24,058 --> 01:01:26,559
♪ ♪
1387
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:28,183
- Over yellow.
1388
01:01:28,183 --> 01:01:30,100
- "Rolling Stone"
had already evolved
1389
01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:33,725
its own culture,
and I wasn't a joiner.
1390
01:01:33,725 --> 01:01:37,434
- ♪ Oh, papa don't take
no mess ♪
1391
01:01:37,434 --> 01:01:41,142
♪ Papa don't take no mess ♪
1392
01:01:41,142 --> 01:01:43,683
- I had other plans
for myself.
1393
01:01:43,683 --> 01:01:48,975
So I ran my own page
in the record reviews.
1394
01:01:48,975 --> 01:01:51,600
Getting a good review
in "Rolling Stone"
1395
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,434
became something
to strive for.
1396
01:01:55,434 --> 01:01:57,142
♪ ♪
1397
01:01:57,142 --> 01:02:00,517
What I liked most
and what I wrote about most
1398
01:02:00,517 --> 01:02:03,058
was black music.
1399
01:02:03,058 --> 01:02:07,600
My early articles
were about B.B. King,
1400
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,475
Aretha Franklin,
Sam & Dave,
1401
01:02:10,475 --> 01:02:14,017
Otis Redding,
Wilson Pickett.
1402
01:02:14,017 --> 01:02:17,975
At first some of my things
smelled a little too much
1403
01:02:17,975 --> 01:02:21,475
like college term papers.
1404
01:02:21,475 --> 01:02:24,309
I was told by Jann,
"You got to loosen up here."
1405
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:27,392
- ♪ Papa don't, papa don't,
papa don't, papa don't ♪
1406
01:02:27,392 --> 01:02:29,434
♪ Papa don't, papa don't ♪
1407
01:02:29,434 --> 01:02:32,891
♪ Papa don't take no mess ♪
1408
01:02:32,891 --> 01:02:35,808
♪ Papa don't take no mess ♪
1409
01:02:35,808 --> 01:02:38,683
- Rock is far more popular
than ever before,
1410
01:02:38,683 --> 01:02:41,891
but it appears to have
much less social impact.
1411
01:02:41,891 --> 01:02:44,392
It is broader
than it was ten years ago,
1412
01:02:44,392 --> 01:02:46,017
making unprecedented use
1413
01:02:46,017 --> 01:02:48,350
of country, jazz,
and straight pop.
1414
01:02:48,350 --> 01:02:51,766
And yet to my ears, it sounds
ever more homogeneous.
1415
01:02:51,766 --> 01:02:53,975
Rock's single biggest
lack today
1416
01:02:53,975 --> 01:02:56,434
is a failure
of imagination.
1417
01:02:56,434 --> 01:02:59,850
- ♪ We're an American band ♪
1418
01:02:59,850 --> 01:03:02,267
♪ We're an American band ♪
1419
01:03:02,267 --> 01:03:03,725
♪ Whoo ♪
1420
01:03:03,725 --> 01:03:06,183
♪ We're an American band ♪
1421
01:03:06,183 --> 01:03:07,683
♪ Whoo ♪
1422
01:03:07,683 --> 01:03:10,350
♪ ♪
1423
01:03:10,350 --> 01:03:12,100
- Tonight there's someone
I can write of
1424
01:03:12,100 --> 01:03:13,641
the way I used to write,
1425
01:03:13,641 --> 01:03:15,975
without reservation
of any kind.
1426
01:03:15,975 --> 01:03:18,350
Last Thursday at
the Harvard Square Theater,
1427
01:03:18,350 --> 01:03:22,017
I saw my rock and roll past
flash before my eyes.
1428
01:03:22,017 --> 01:03:24,058
- One, two, three, go!
1429
01:03:24,058 --> 01:03:27,183
["Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out"
begins]
1430
01:03:27,183 --> 01:03:30,850
♪ ♪
1431
01:03:30,850 --> 01:03:32,392
Break it down!
1432
01:03:32,392 --> 01:03:34,225
- And I saw something else.
1433
01:03:34,225 --> 01:03:36,392
I saw rock and roll future.
1434
01:03:36,392 --> 01:03:39,434
And its name is
Bruce Springsteen.
1435
01:03:39,434 --> 01:03:41,225
- ♪ Teardrops on the city ♪
1436
01:03:41,225 --> 01:03:45,058
♪ Bad Scooter searching
for his groove ♪
1437
01:03:45,058 --> 01:03:46,683
♪ ♪
1438
01:03:46,683 --> 01:03:48,933
♪ Seem like the whole world's
walking pretty ♪
1439
01:03:48,933 --> 01:03:52,475
♪ And you can't find
the room to move ♪
1440
01:03:52,475 --> 01:03:54,641
Clarence!
1441
01:03:54,641 --> 01:03:58,225
♪ Well, everybody better
move over, that's all ♪
1442
01:03:58,225 --> 01:04:00,183
♪ 'Cause I'm running
on the bad side ♪
1443
01:04:00,183 --> 01:04:03,392
♪ And I got my back
to the wall, man ♪
1444
01:04:03,392 --> 01:04:06,392
- ♪ Tenth Avenue freeze-out ♪
1445
01:04:06,392 --> 01:04:10,183
- Hit it!
- ♪ Tenth Avenue freeze-out ♪
1446
01:04:10,183 --> 01:04:12,559
- ♪ I was stranded
out in the jungle ♪
1447
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:15,559
♪ Taking all the heat
that was given ♪
1448
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:17,725
♪ ♪
1449
01:04:17,725 --> 01:04:20,225
♪ Yeah, the night is dark,
and the sidewalk's bright ♪
1450
01:04:20,225 --> 01:04:23,100
♪ And lined
with the light of the living ♪
1451
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:25,267
♪ ♪
1452
01:04:25,267 --> 01:04:28,933
♪ From a tenement window,
a transistor blasts ♪
1453
01:04:28,933 --> 01:04:30,725
♪ Turn around the corner ♪
1454
01:04:30,725 --> 01:04:32,891
♪ Things got real quiet
real fast ♪
1455
01:04:32,891 --> 01:04:35,183
♪ I walked into a... ♪
- ♪ Tenth Avenue freeze-out ♪
1456
01:04:35,183 --> 01:04:36,933
- Springsteen does it all.
1457
01:04:36,933 --> 01:04:39,392
He's a rock and roll punk,
Latin street poet,
1458
01:04:39,392 --> 01:04:43,183
a ballet dancer, an actor,
a joker, bar bandleader,
1459
01:04:43,183 --> 01:04:46,475
hot-shit rhythm guitar player,
extraordinary singer,
1460
01:04:46,475 --> 01:04:49,434
and a truly great
rock and roll composer.
1461
01:04:49,434 --> 01:04:51,434
He leads a band like
he's been doing it forever.
1462
01:04:51,434 --> 01:04:53,350
- ♪ I'm talking
about a Tenth ♪
1463
01:04:53,350 --> 01:04:55,517
- I racked my brains
but simply can't think
1464
01:04:55,517 --> 01:04:59,475
of a white artist who does
so many things so superbly.
1465
01:04:59,475 --> 01:05:01,475
- ♪ I'm talking
about a Tenth ♪
1466
01:05:01,475 --> 01:05:04,475
- ♪ Tenth Avenue freeze-out ♪
- ♪ Freeze-out, whoo ♪
1467
01:05:04,475 --> 01:05:11,517
♪ ♪
1468
01:05:17,309 --> 01:05:19,392
Yeah!
1469
01:05:19,392 --> 01:05:21,850
"Rolling Stone"
I was very tuned into
1470
01:05:21,850 --> 01:05:23,641
from probably
the first issue,
1471
01:05:23,641 --> 01:05:26,434
because that would have
come out when I was 17.
1472
01:05:26,434 --> 01:05:29,975
It was like, "Oh, my God,
there's other weirdos like me
1473
01:05:29,975 --> 01:05:32,808
"out there that are
really taking this stuff
1474
01:05:32,808 --> 01:05:35,309
very seriously."
1475
01:05:35,309 --> 01:05:37,309
♪ A Tenth ♪
1476
01:05:37,309 --> 01:05:39,683
♪ ♪
1477
01:05:39,683 --> 01:05:41,017
[cheers and applause]
1478
01:05:41,017 --> 01:05:44,183
In '74,
we were two records in.
1479
01:05:44,183 --> 01:05:46,350
I had a three-record deal.
1480
01:05:46,350 --> 01:05:48,434
Two records hadn't done well.
1481
01:05:48,434 --> 01:05:51,434
Everybody who had hired me
had moved on,
1482
01:05:51,434 --> 01:05:53,225
out of the record company.
1483
01:05:53,225 --> 01:05:55,683
One, two, three, four...
1484
01:05:55,683 --> 01:05:57,600
["Jungleland" begins]
1485
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,683
Our production team
was failing at that moment.
1486
01:06:00,683 --> 01:06:03,100
We couldn't record
what I knew were good songs.
1487
01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:04,850
We'd already
been playing them live.
1488
01:06:04,850 --> 01:06:06,559
"Jungleland," we already had.
1489
01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:08,766
I think we had "Thunder Road,"
versions of it.
1490
01:06:08,766 --> 01:06:12,183
But we were failing to be able
to get these down on record.
1491
01:06:12,183 --> 01:06:14,309
So I went back
to a night in Boston
1492
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:17,683
when I read
one of Jon's reviews.
1493
01:06:17,683 --> 01:06:20,434
I said, "Okay,
there's information here
1494
01:06:20,434 --> 01:06:23,517
"that I'm not getting
from the people around me.
1495
01:06:23,517 --> 01:06:26,350
"This seems smart.
1496
01:06:26,350 --> 01:06:28,392
I need to be closer
to this guy."
1497
01:06:28,392 --> 01:06:31,058
And we started up
a friendship.
1498
01:06:31,058 --> 01:06:34,808
- Bruce was just one
of those great connections
1499
01:06:34,808 --> 01:06:37,766
you make in life that
there's nothing like it.
1500
01:06:37,766 --> 01:06:40,766
- ♪ The Rangers
had a homecoming ♪
1501
01:06:40,766 --> 01:06:42,808
One evening, I brought him
into the studio,
1502
01:06:42,808 --> 01:06:45,392
and he just observed
what we were doing.
1503
01:06:45,392 --> 01:06:48,850
At the end of the night, we
went and had a bite somewhere,
1504
01:06:48,850 --> 01:06:52,058
and he said, "Well, you know,
if there's anything
1505
01:06:52,058 --> 01:06:54,392
that you think I can do,
let me know."
1506
01:06:54,392 --> 01:06:56,058
♪ Sitting on the hood
of a Dodge ♪
1507
01:06:56,058 --> 01:06:58,142
- My strength was in music
1508
01:06:58,142 --> 01:07:03,434
and some natural ability
to edit and arrange.
1509
01:07:03,434 --> 01:07:06,683
I think a lot of what I did
at "Rolling Stone" prepared me
1510
01:07:06,683 --> 01:07:11,933
in odd ways for the work that
I wound up doing with Bruce.
1511
01:07:11,933 --> 01:07:13,933
["Thunder Road" begins]
1512
01:07:13,933 --> 01:07:17,058
- ♪ Screen door slams ♪
1513
01:07:17,058 --> 01:07:20,933
♪ Mary's dress waves ♪
1514
01:07:20,933 --> 01:07:24,850
♪ Like a vision, she dances
across the porch ♪
1515
01:07:24,850 --> 01:07:28,600
♪ As the radio plays ♪
1516
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:32,267
♪ Roy Orbison singing
for the lonely ♪
1517
01:07:32,267 --> 01:07:36,267
♪ Hey, that's me,
and I want you only ♪
1518
01:07:36,267 --> 01:07:38,517
♪ Don't turn me home again ♪
1519
01:07:38,517 --> 01:07:43,517
♪ I just can't face myself
alone again ♪
1520
01:07:43,517 --> 01:07:47,017
The earliest versions of
the material on "Born to Run,"
1521
01:07:47,017 --> 01:07:48,766
the arrangement was longer,
1522
01:07:48,766 --> 01:07:51,475
and it went through
some rhythm changes
1523
01:07:51,475 --> 01:07:54,017
and different musical changes.
1524
01:07:54,017 --> 01:07:57,559
♪ There were ghosts
in the eyes ♪
1525
01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:01,641
♪ Of all the boys
you sent away ♪
1526
01:08:01,641 --> 01:08:04,267
♪ They haunt
this dusty beach road ♪
1527
01:08:04,267 --> 01:08:09,600
♪ In the skeleton frames
of burned-out Chevrolets ♪
1528
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,975
♪ They scream your name
at night in the street ♪
1529
01:08:12,975 --> 01:08:17,142
♪ Your graduation gown lies
in rags at their feet ♪
1530
01:08:17,142 --> 01:08:18,975
One of the things
that Jon did
1531
01:08:18,975 --> 01:08:20,808
was he was an editor.
1532
01:08:20,808 --> 01:08:24,850
And we were looking
for a more streamlined sound
1533
01:08:24,850 --> 01:08:27,725
that felt like
a direct punch to the gut,
1534
01:08:27,725 --> 01:08:29,392
to take what I was doing
1535
01:08:29,392 --> 01:08:33,392
and melt it down
into this powerful engine.
1536
01:08:33,392 --> 01:08:36,183
♪ Climb in ♪
1537
01:08:36,183 --> 01:08:38,183
♪ It's a town full of losers ♪
1538
01:08:38,183 --> 01:08:41,850
♪ I'm pulling
out of here to win ♪
1539
01:08:41,850 --> 01:08:48,891
♪ ♪
1540
01:08:56,975 --> 01:09:00,100
- I got the job producing
1541
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:03,475
what became Bruce's
breakthrough album,
1542
01:09:03,475 --> 01:09:06,350
"Born to Run."
1543
01:09:06,350 --> 01:09:10,725
And I realized that that's
what I wanted to be now,
1544
01:09:10,725 --> 01:09:12,891
a record producer.
1545
01:09:12,891 --> 01:09:16,559
It was time to let go
of the magazine.
1546
01:09:16,559 --> 01:09:23,350
♪ ♪
1547
01:09:23,350 --> 01:09:27,850
- There was a generation
that started the magazine
1548
01:09:27,850 --> 01:09:31,725
but had grown
a little bit away
1549
01:09:31,725 --> 01:09:34,975
from what it had become--
what rock had become.
1550
01:09:34,975 --> 01:09:38,142
[Deep Purple's
"Smoke on the Water"]
1551
01:09:38,142 --> 01:09:45,225
♪ ♪
1552
01:09:50,933 --> 01:09:53,975
- By the mid '70s, there
were all these other bands.
1553
01:09:53,975 --> 01:09:57,517
You know, who wants
to write about Deep Purple?
1554
01:09:57,517 --> 01:09:58,933
And I would be like,
1555
01:09:58,933 --> 01:10:00,766
"I will write
about Deep Purple.
1556
01:10:00,766 --> 01:10:05,100
"In fact, I will spend weeks
writing about Deep Purple.
1557
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:08,225
I will--I will be
your Deep Purple man."
1558
01:10:08,225 --> 01:10:13,267
- ♪ Smoke on the water ♪
1559
01:10:13,267 --> 01:10:16,933
♪ Fire in the sky ♪
1560
01:10:16,933 --> 01:10:18,725
♪ Smoke on the water ♪
1561
01:10:18,725 --> 01:10:20,475
- I was the guy
that they liked to say
1562
01:10:20,475 --> 01:10:22,100
took out the garbage.
1563
01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:23,850
To them, it was the garbage,
you know.
1564
01:10:23,850 --> 01:10:25,434
For me, it was heaven.
1565
01:10:25,434 --> 01:10:28,600
[Jethro Tull's
"Song for Jeffrey"]
1566
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:34,641
♪ ♪
1567
01:10:34,641 --> 01:10:36,850
To ask Jethro Tull
about the flute
1568
01:10:36,850 --> 01:10:39,808
and Ritchie Blackmore
about his guitar sound...
1569
01:10:39,808 --> 01:10:42,350
♪ ♪
1570
01:10:42,350 --> 01:10:46,350
That was me, and I was
so happy to do that.
1571
01:10:46,350 --> 01:10:48,975
- ♪ Gonna lose
my way tomorrow ♪
1572
01:10:48,975 --> 01:10:51,434
♪ Gonna give away my car ♪
1573
01:10:51,434 --> 01:10:53,975
♪ I'd take you along with me ♪
1574
01:10:53,975 --> 01:10:56,475
♪ But you would not go so far ♪
1575
01:10:56,475 --> 01:10:59,267
♪ Don't see what
I do not want to see ♪
1576
01:10:59,267 --> 01:11:01,850
♪ You don't hear
what I don't say ♪
1577
01:11:01,850 --> 01:11:03,683
♪ Won't be what
I don't want to be ♪
1578
01:11:03,683 --> 01:11:07,267
- I always felt,
because I was a freelancer,
1579
01:11:07,267 --> 01:11:09,142
bands that had a problem
with "Rolling Stone"
1580
01:11:09,142 --> 01:11:12,017
for one reason or another,
I could always say,
1581
01:11:12,017 --> 01:11:17,017
"Well, I work for them,
but I'm not the magazine."
1582
01:11:17,017 --> 01:11:19,850
One of the bands
that really had a problem
1583
01:11:19,850 --> 01:11:21,808
with "Rolling Stone"
was Led Zeppelin.
1584
01:11:21,808 --> 01:11:26,808
- ♪ Oh, I ♪
1585
01:11:26,808 --> 01:11:30,225
♪ I can't quit you ♪
1586
01:11:30,225 --> 01:11:32,850
♪ Baby ♪
1587
01:11:32,850 --> 01:11:35,392
♪ ♪
1588
01:11:35,392 --> 01:11:40,808
♪ And I think I'm gonna
put you down ♪
1589
01:11:40,808 --> 01:11:43,808
♪ For a little while ♪
1590
01:11:43,808 --> 01:11:48,392
- Their first album
was trashed.
1591
01:11:48,392 --> 01:11:51,434
- ♪ I can't quit you, baby ♪
1592
01:11:51,434 --> 01:11:53,850
- As they started
to become huge,
1593
01:11:53,850 --> 01:11:57,475
they did not want to give
"Rolling Stone" coverage.
1594
01:11:57,475 --> 01:12:02,725
So my job was to talk them
into "Rolling Stone."
1595
01:12:02,725 --> 01:12:04,891
It took three weeks.
1596
01:12:04,891 --> 01:12:06,725
♪ ♪
1597
01:12:06,725 --> 01:12:08,517
- Although Led Zeppelin
has managed
1598
01:12:08,517 --> 01:12:10,434
to sell more than
a million units apiece
1599
01:12:10,434 --> 01:12:13,017
on all five of its albums
and is currently working
1600
01:12:13,017 --> 01:12:14,808
a U.S. tour expected to be
1601
01:12:14,808 --> 01:12:17,975
the largest-grossing
undertaking in rock history,
1602
01:12:17,975 --> 01:12:20,559
the band has been
continually kicked,
1603
01:12:20,559 --> 01:12:23,683
shoved, pummeled,
and kneed in the groin
1604
01:12:23,683 --> 01:12:25,725
by critics of all stripes.
1605
01:12:25,725 --> 01:12:28,808
- I really put my heart
into this piece
1606
01:12:28,808 --> 01:12:30,975
on Led Zeppelin.
1607
01:12:30,975 --> 01:12:34,641
And I sent it in,
and I was expecting the call,
1608
01:12:34,641 --> 01:12:36,725
"Way to go!"
[chuckles]
1609
01:12:36,725 --> 01:12:39,267
[phone rings]
1610
01:12:39,267 --> 01:12:41,725
The call I got was
from Ben Fong-Torres,
1611
01:12:41,725 --> 01:12:43,725
saying,
"Jann wants to see you."
1612
01:12:43,725 --> 01:12:45,517
And I was like,
"Well, this is great!"
1613
01:12:45,517 --> 01:12:47,641
And he's like,
"Come up to San Francisco.
1614
01:12:47,641 --> 01:12:50,183
"I'll pick you up and take you
to the 'Rolling Stone' office.
1615
01:12:50,183 --> 01:12:54,058
And you should know
this is a very bad day."
1616
01:12:54,058 --> 01:12:57,100
[somber music]
1617
01:12:57,100 --> 01:13:01,933
♪ ♪
1618
01:13:01,933 --> 01:13:06,475
"Ralph J. Gleason,
Jann's mentor, died,
1619
01:13:06,475 --> 01:13:08,183
and he's very upset."
1620
01:13:08,183 --> 01:13:11,434
♪ ♪
1621
01:13:11,434 --> 01:13:13,267
I go in there, and they say,
1622
01:13:13,267 --> 01:13:16,225
"Jann, the kid from the
Led Zeppelin story is here."
1623
01:13:16,225 --> 01:13:19,017
And he says, "Bring him in."
1624
01:13:19,017 --> 01:13:23,058
- That was a very tough,
moving day for me.
1625
01:13:23,058 --> 01:13:27,017
And into all that
walked young Cameron.
1626
01:13:27,017 --> 01:13:29,850
- There in the corner
is Jann
1627
01:13:29,850 --> 01:13:32,600
with a half-finished bottle
of vodka
1628
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:36,766
sitting in front of him,
and he's been crying.
1629
01:13:36,766 --> 01:13:38,850
And he said,
"I want to tell you
1630
01:13:38,850 --> 01:13:40,475
about your
Led Zeppelin story."
1631
01:13:40,475 --> 01:13:42,225
He goes, "Thank you.
1632
01:13:42,225 --> 01:13:46,475
We're gonna run it,
but you failed."
1633
01:13:46,475 --> 01:13:48,850
And I said,
1634
01:13:48,850 --> 01:13:50,475
"How did I fail?"
1635
01:13:50,475 --> 01:13:52,309
- You know,
for a 16-year-old kid,
1636
01:13:52,309 --> 01:13:54,600
it was a great story, but
for a professional journalist,
1637
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,475
he was way soft
on the characters
1638
01:13:56,475 --> 01:13:57,933
he was writing about,
1639
01:13:57,933 --> 01:13:59,350
the people
he was writing about.
1640
01:13:59,350 --> 01:14:00,975
Not that we wanted to be harsh,
1641
01:14:00,975 --> 01:14:02,891
but you had
to have a little more
1642
01:14:02,891 --> 01:14:06,766
of a worldly view of it
than just a fan's view of it.
1643
01:14:06,766 --> 01:14:08,600
- And he said,
1644
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,517
"You wrote what
they wanted you to write.
1645
01:14:11,517 --> 01:14:13,850
"There's nothing
in that story
1646
01:14:13,850 --> 01:14:16,641
"that was you
getting to the heart
1647
01:14:16,641 --> 01:14:20,058
"of what the real scene was,
what it felt like,
1648
01:14:20,058 --> 01:14:25,434
"what it smelled like,
what they meant at this time
1649
01:14:25,434 --> 01:14:29,100
"in history for people
to read years from now.
1650
01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:31,058
"You don't have that.
1651
01:14:31,058 --> 01:14:33,683
"You have them
talking about themselves.
1652
01:14:33,683 --> 01:14:37,850
Nice stuff,
but it's not the stuff."
1653
01:14:37,850 --> 01:14:39,891
And then he said,
"Wait right here."
1654
01:14:39,891 --> 01:14:44,434
And he went to the back room
and came out with this--
1655
01:14:44,434 --> 01:14:47,225
Joan Didion's
"Slouching Towards Bethlehem."
1656
01:14:47,225 --> 01:14:51,058
He said, "If you're
really serious about this
1657
01:14:51,058 --> 01:14:54,309
"and you want to be a writer,
not a reviewer,
1658
01:14:54,309 --> 01:14:57,017
"not a critic,
not a guy who loves music
1659
01:14:57,017 --> 01:14:59,725
"and is writing about
how much he loves music,
1660
01:14:59,725 --> 01:15:01,475
"you will study Joan Didion.
1661
01:15:01,475 --> 01:15:03,891
"You will study her profile
of Jim Morrison.
1662
01:15:03,891 --> 01:15:06,058
This is my copy. Take it."
1663
01:15:06,058 --> 01:15:10,267
And that was my experience
with Jann Wenner.
1664
01:15:10,267 --> 01:15:11,933
Never forgot it.
1665
01:15:11,933 --> 01:15:14,225
Jann could have easily said,
1666
01:15:14,225 --> 01:15:17,808
"Run the fucking story.
Who gives a shit?"
1667
01:15:17,808 --> 01:15:19,808
But he didn't.
1668
01:15:19,808 --> 01:15:23,267
He was like, "Bring him in."
1669
01:15:24,309 --> 01:15:28,017
That's a real editor
and a publisher.
1670
01:15:28,017 --> 01:15:31,100
[mellow rock music]
1671
01:15:31,100 --> 01:15:38,142
♪ ♪
1672
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:57,017
- I had read that your family
was affluent but eccentric.
1673
01:15:57,017 --> 01:15:58,683
Would you describe
them that way?
1674
01:15:58,683 --> 01:16:00,766
- My father was
a businessman, you know,
1675
01:16:00,766 --> 01:16:03,434
entrepreneur, started his
own business with my mother.
1676
01:16:03,434 --> 01:16:05,183
My mother left that business.
1677
01:16:05,183 --> 01:16:07,183
She became a writer,
and she wrote several books.
1678
01:16:07,183 --> 01:16:09,559
I suppose you could call that
sort of eccentric at the time.
1679
01:16:09,559 --> 01:16:11,475
But, you know, not terribly.
1680
01:16:11,475 --> 01:16:13,850
- Do you remember having
heroes as a child?
1681
01:16:13,850 --> 01:16:15,559
- My parents
were heavily involved
1682
01:16:15,559 --> 01:16:18,309
in Democratic politics,
and soon thereafter my heroes
1683
01:16:18,309 --> 01:16:19,933
were people
like Adlai Stevenson
1684
01:16:19,933 --> 01:16:21,309
and Estes Kefauver.
1685
01:16:21,309 --> 01:16:22,933
- That's where you got
your political--
1686
01:16:22,933 --> 01:16:24,350
- Yeah, from my parents.
1687
01:16:24,350 --> 01:16:26,309
- What did you get
from each parent?
1688
01:16:26,309 --> 01:16:27,975
- I guess I got my--
1689
01:16:27,975 --> 01:16:30,975
some of my business
ability from my father.
1690
01:16:30,975 --> 01:16:33,641
And my mother taught me
actually how to edit
1691
01:16:33,641 --> 01:16:35,350
when I was young,
you know,
1692
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:39,975
what to look for in writing
and, um, you know,
1693
01:16:39,975 --> 01:16:42,641
some taste and some style
and that kind of thing.
1694
01:16:43,975 --> 01:16:46,517
My mom actually
got me my first job
1695
01:16:46,517 --> 01:16:48,725
at the local
NBC radio station,
1696
01:16:48,725 --> 01:16:50,350
writing traffic reports.
1697
01:16:50,350 --> 01:16:52,766
I would sit
in a little isolated room,
1698
01:16:52,766 --> 01:16:54,683
listening to police radios
1699
01:16:54,683 --> 01:16:57,017
about car accidents
and freeway tie-ups
1700
01:16:57,017 --> 01:16:58,725
and write it up
in a little summary
1701
01:16:58,725 --> 01:17:00,725
and run and hand it
to the disc jockey.
1702
01:17:00,725 --> 01:17:03,517
That evolved into
kind of a stringer position
1703
01:17:03,517 --> 01:17:05,475
at University of California
at Berkeley campus,
1704
01:17:05,475 --> 01:17:07,267
when I was in college.
1705
01:17:07,267 --> 01:17:09,517
[Mose Allison's "I Don't
Worry About a Thing" plays]
1706
01:17:09,517 --> 01:17:13,683
- ♪ You know this world's
just one big trouble spot ♪
1707
01:17:13,683 --> 01:17:17,975
♪ 'Cause some have plenty
and some have not ♪
1708
01:17:17,975 --> 01:17:20,267
♪ You know,
I used to be trouble ♪
1709
01:17:20,267 --> 01:17:23,183
♪ But I finally
saw the light ♪
1710
01:17:23,183 --> 01:17:26,392
♪ ♪
1711
01:17:26,392 --> 01:17:28,641
♪ Now I don't worry
about a thing ♪
1712
01:17:28,641 --> 01:17:33,725
♪ 'Cause I know nothing's
going to be all right ♪
1713
01:17:33,725 --> 01:17:36,641
- I came to Berkeley in '63,
1714
01:17:36,641 --> 01:17:39,058
in the fall of '63,
1715
01:17:39,058 --> 01:17:43,891
and met Jann early in '64.
1716
01:17:43,891 --> 01:17:47,517
I went up to Jann's apartment
in the hills,
1717
01:17:47,517 --> 01:17:50,766
and, you know, this was
a real experience for me.
1718
01:17:50,766 --> 01:17:52,850
I hadn't met anybody who had
1719
01:17:52,850 --> 01:17:55,183
their own apartment
as a freshman.
1720
01:17:55,183 --> 01:17:58,392
That was very unusual.
1721
01:17:58,392 --> 01:18:02,183
And he had a Mose Allison
record playing,
1722
01:18:02,183 --> 01:18:04,559
which was,
you know, super hip,
1723
01:18:04,559 --> 01:18:07,434
and he had the "Chronicle"
1724
01:18:07,434 --> 01:18:10,975
double-page spread
of all the debutantes.
1725
01:18:10,975 --> 01:18:12,808
♪ ♪
1726
01:18:12,808 --> 01:18:14,933
I had also never
encountered anybody
1727
01:18:14,933 --> 01:18:17,142
who was in part
of that world,
1728
01:18:17,142 --> 01:18:19,183
and I was
a little taken aback
1729
01:18:19,183 --> 01:18:22,600
by the combination
of the hipster
1730
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,559
and the society wannabe.
1731
01:18:25,559 --> 01:18:27,350
But I liked him.
1732
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:29,641
I mean, he was just
full of personality.
1733
01:18:29,641 --> 01:18:31,267
- ♪ Things will get worse ♪
1734
01:18:31,267 --> 01:18:33,267
♪ Before they get
any better ♪
1735
01:18:33,267 --> 01:18:35,600
- The free speech movement
was my sophomore year
1736
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,559
and Jann's sophomore year.
1737
01:18:37,559 --> 01:18:39,600
- I've got
the light of freedom!
1738
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,017
- I had been a part
of campus radical community.
1739
01:18:43,017 --> 01:18:45,350
I mean, I had joined
an organization
1740
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:47,766
which sponsored
campus demonstrations.
1741
01:18:47,766 --> 01:18:49,100
[cheering]
1742
01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:53,600
- We're asking
that there be no--
1743
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,475
no restrictions
on the content of speech,
1744
01:18:56,475 --> 01:18:59,641
save those provided
by the courts,
1745
01:18:59,641 --> 01:19:02,808
and that's--that's
an enormous amount of freedom.
1746
01:19:02,808 --> 01:19:04,392
[cheering]
1747
01:19:04,392 --> 01:19:07,725
- The university
banned advocacy on campus,
1748
01:19:07,725 --> 01:19:10,975
and immediately
as that was happening,
1749
01:19:10,975 --> 01:19:13,309
a student strike
was being organized
1750
01:19:13,309 --> 01:19:14,975
to shut the campus down.
1751
01:19:14,975 --> 01:19:16,766
And the campus was shut down.
1752
01:19:16,766 --> 01:19:19,183
There essentially were
no classes taking place,
1753
01:19:19,183 --> 01:19:23,058
and many professors
were refusing to teach.
1754
01:19:23,058 --> 01:19:25,933
The university,
it just floundered.
1755
01:19:25,933 --> 01:19:28,725
They didn't know
what the hell to do.
1756
01:19:28,725 --> 01:19:31,017
- The departmental chairmen
believe that the acts
1757
01:19:31,017 --> 01:19:33,225
of civil disobedience
on December 2nd and 3rd
1758
01:19:33,225 --> 01:19:36,350
were unwarranted and
that they obstruct rational
1759
01:19:36,350 --> 01:19:38,683
and fair consideration.
1760
01:19:38,683 --> 01:19:42,517
[cheers and applause]
1761
01:19:42,517 --> 01:19:44,725
- Mario Savio
was standing at the side
1762
01:19:44,725 --> 01:19:48,267
of the stage with
some papers in his hand.
1763
01:19:48,267 --> 01:19:51,517
And suddenly, you know,
snapped out of it.
1764
01:19:51,517 --> 01:19:54,392
I think, "Oh, my God.
What's he doing there?"
1765
01:19:54,392 --> 01:19:57,641
And so he walks
very deliberately
1766
01:19:57,641 --> 01:19:59,309
toward the podium,
1767
01:19:59,309 --> 01:20:01,850
and he puts his papers down.
1768
01:20:01,850 --> 01:20:05,517
And suddenly a sheriff
comes running up behind him
1769
01:20:05,517 --> 01:20:07,600
and grabs him around the neck.
1770
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,267
- When the operation of
the machine becomes so odious,
1771
01:20:11,267 --> 01:20:13,641
you've got to put
your bodies upon the gears
1772
01:20:13,641 --> 01:20:16,517
and upon the wheels, and
you've got to make it stop.
1773
01:20:16,517 --> 01:20:18,017
[crowd screaming]
1774
01:20:18,017 --> 01:20:19,766
- The shout that
went up from the crowd,
1775
01:20:19,766 --> 01:20:21,891
and the shock of that moment
1776
01:20:21,891 --> 01:20:24,808
is one of
the formative experiences
1777
01:20:24,808 --> 01:20:28,183
of my life
and I'm sure Jann's.
1778
01:20:28,183 --> 01:20:31,225
But he's also
a reporter at that event.
1779
01:20:31,225 --> 01:20:33,017
He's got to file a story,
1780
01:20:33,017 --> 01:20:37,641
and lo and behold,
there's a great story.
1781
01:20:37,641 --> 01:20:39,808
- When this free speech
movement starts,
1782
01:20:39,808 --> 01:20:42,309
all of a sudden,
I found myself kind of
1783
01:20:42,309 --> 01:20:44,641
really dealing
both sides of it, you know.
1784
01:20:44,641 --> 01:20:47,766
I'm carrying information
to the protest leaders,
1785
01:20:47,766 --> 01:20:50,309
then running outside
and doing the coverage.
1786
01:20:50,309 --> 01:20:51,975
- Please listen!
1787
01:20:51,975 --> 01:20:54,142
- We saw no contradiction
in that era
1788
01:20:54,142 --> 01:20:56,517
to be a journalist
and an activist.
1789
01:20:56,517 --> 01:20:59,559
All the leading campuses
saw a transformation
1790
01:20:59,559 --> 01:21:02,933
of the student body into
large groups of activists.
1791
01:21:02,933 --> 01:21:05,891
And around the edges
of our protests,
1792
01:21:05,891 --> 01:21:07,766
violence started
breaking out.
1793
01:21:07,766 --> 01:21:11,183
These were smaller groups
of extreme activists
1794
01:21:11,183 --> 01:21:15,058
who wanted to foment violence
by throwing bottles,
1795
01:21:15,058 --> 01:21:19,183
breaking windows,
getting the police agitated
1796
01:21:19,183 --> 01:21:22,142
so they would beat up
the protesters.
1797
01:21:22,142 --> 01:21:24,600
[crowd shouting]
1798
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,434
And the Civil Rights Movement
1799
01:21:26,434 --> 01:21:29,475
had morphed
into the Black Power Movement,
1800
01:21:29,475 --> 01:21:31,475
and you had
the Black Panthers.
1801
01:21:31,475 --> 01:21:33,891
Here was a group
that stood up to the cops,
1802
01:21:33,891 --> 01:21:36,808
carried guns,
monitored traffic stops.
1803
01:21:36,808 --> 01:21:39,766
This inspired my generation
1804
01:21:39,766 --> 01:21:42,641
that was becoming increasingly
revolutionary in nature.
1805
01:21:42,641 --> 01:21:44,225
men: Off the pigs!
1806
01:21:44,225 --> 01:21:45,808
women:
♪ Revolution has come ♪
1807
01:21:45,808 --> 01:21:47,142
men: Freedom now!
1808
01:21:47,142 --> 01:21:48,975
- So you had
all these forces
1809
01:21:48,975 --> 01:21:51,225
sort of coursing
through society.
1810
01:21:51,225 --> 01:21:55,559
You had factions breaking
off this way and that way.
1811
01:21:55,559 --> 01:21:58,142
And the organizations
that were holding together
1812
01:21:58,142 --> 01:22:01,641
the protest movements
started to fall apart.
1813
01:22:01,641 --> 01:22:04,017
And by the time
you got to 1974
1814
01:22:04,017 --> 01:22:06,183
when Patty Hearst
was kidnapped,
1815
01:22:06,183 --> 01:22:08,641
a great paranoia set in.
1816
01:22:11,475 --> 01:22:13,600
- Patty Hearst
and Steve Weed were home
1817
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,725
in their Berkeley apartment
on the foggy night
1818
01:22:15,725 --> 01:22:18,641
of February 4, 1974.
1819
01:22:18,641 --> 01:22:20,641
The young couple lived
together in something
1820
01:22:20,641 --> 01:22:22,183
that used to be called "sin"
1821
01:22:22,183 --> 01:22:24,641
and smoked
an occasional joint.
1822
01:22:24,641 --> 01:22:27,725
Donald DeFreeze, Willie Wolf,
and Nancy Ling Perry
1823
01:22:27,725 --> 01:22:30,808
moved silently
to apartment number four.
1824
01:22:30,808 --> 01:22:34,017
They burst in, brandishing
guns, grabbed Patty,
1825
01:22:34,017 --> 01:22:38,683
and carried her kicking and
screaming to the waiting car.
1826
01:22:38,683 --> 01:22:41,475
They shoved her
into the trunk.
1827
01:22:41,475 --> 01:22:43,517
Patty was scared
and half naked,
1828
01:22:43,517 --> 01:22:47,142
but she stared hard-eyed
at her kidnappers.
1829
01:22:47,142 --> 01:22:50,559
- Greetings, fellow comrades,
brothers, and sisters.
1830
01:22:50,559 --> 01:22:52,350
My name is Cinque.
1831
01:22:52,350 --> 01:22:53,891
I am a black man
1832
01:22:53,891 --> 01:22:56,683
and a representative
of black people.
1833
01:22:56,683 --> 01:22:59,017
- To some, Cinque
was an unimpressive thug
1834
01:22:59,017 --> 01:23:01,725
who had once robbed
a prostitute of $10.
1835
01:23:01,725 --> 01:23:04,600
- I hold the rank
of General Field Marshal
1836
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,641
in the United Federated Forces
1837
01:23:06,641 --> 01:23:08,891
of the Symbionese
Liberation Army.
1838
01:23:08,891 --> 01:23:12,350
Our unified purpose is to
liberate the oppressed peoples
1839
01:23:12,350 --> 01:23:14,267
of this nation.
1840
01:23:14,267 --> 01:23:18,434
Let the voice of their guns
express the words of freedom.
1841
01:23:18,434 --> 01:23:20,891
- To the nascent
Symbionese Liberation Army
1842
01:23:20,891 --> 01:23:23,725
of four white men
and five white women,
1843
01:23:23,725 --> 01:23:27,058
Cinque was a charismatic
prophet whose talk of killing
1844
01:23:27,058 --> 01:23:29,683
and kidnapping
somehow made sense.
1845
01:23:29,683 --> 01:23:32,975
- I am ordered to convey
the following message
1846
01:23:32,975 --> 01:23:34,933
in behalf of the SLA
1847
01:23:34,933 --> 01:23:38,683
that Patricia Campbell Hearst
is alive and safe.
1848
01:23:38,683 --> 01:23:40,350
- Patty was kept
blindfolded
1849
01:23:40,350 --> 01:23:42,142
in a stuffy
closet-sized room
1850
01:23:42,142 --> 01:23:44,683
with a bare lightbulb
and a portable cot.
1851
01:23:44,683 --> 01:23:46,933
There were no windows,
and it was hot.
1852
01:23:46,933 --> 01:23:50,600
She lost track of time
and didn't feel like eating.
1853
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,142
Cinque kept up
a constant intimidation.
1854
01:23:53,142 --> 01:23:54,850
He berated her
and her family
1855
01:23:54,850 --> 01:23:56,683
for being part
of the ruling class
1856
01:23:56,683 --> 01:23:59,017
that was sucking blood
from the common people.
1857
01:23:59,017 --> 01:24:02,309
Patty was shown a long list
of the Hearst family holdings:
1858
01:24:02,309 --> 01:24:04,933
nine newspapers,
thirteen magazines,
1859
01:24:04,933 --> 01:24:06,850
four TV and radio stations,
1860
01:24:06,850 --> 01:24:10,683
a silver mine, a paper mill,
and prime real estate.
1861
01:24:10,683 --> 01:24:12,309
- At that time,
1862
01:24:12,309 --> 01:24:15,100
the Hearst name was
well known to everybody
1863
01:24:15,100 --> 01:24:18,017
because the family
had a lot of money.
1864
01:24:18,017 --> 01:24:22,267
Patty Hearst's grandparent,
William Randolph Hearst,
1865
01:24:22,267 --> 01:24:24,891
had started
a newspaper empire.
1866
01:24:24,891 --> 01:24:27,100
Books had been
written about him.
1867
01:24:27,100 --> 01:24:29,017
There's a movie
based on him.
1868
01:24:29,017 --> 01:24:32,517
It's one of the most
famous movies ever.
1869
01:24:32,517 --> 01:24:36,808
- I made no campaign
promises,
1870
01:24:36,808 --> 01:24:39,683
because until
a few weeks ago,
1871
01:24:39,683 --> 01:24:41,725
I had no hope
of being elected.
1872
01:24:41,725 --> 01:24:43,225
[laughter and applause]
1873
01:24:43,225 --> 01:24:46,142
- So, when the SLA
kidnapped Patty,
1874
01:24:46,142 --> 01:24:49,309
the newspaper heiress,
they could not have found
1875
01:24:49,309 --> 01:24:52,309
a more dramatic person
to kidnap
1876
01:24:52,309 --> 01:24:55,309
unless you kidnapped
the President's daughter.
1877
01:24:55,309 --> 01:24:58,392
[indistinct chatter]
1878
01:24:58,392 --> 01:25:02,725
- Mom, Dad, I'm okay.
1879
01:25:02,725 --> 01:25:07,058
I'm with a combat unit
1880
01:25:07,058 --> 01:25:11,475
that's armed
with automatic weapons.
1881
01:25:11,475 --> 01:25:14,017
They're perfectly
willing to die
1882
01:25:14,017 --> 01:25:17,100
for what they are doing,
1883
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:19,309
and... [sighs]
1884
01:25:19,309 --> 01:25:23,100
I just hope that you'll do
what they say, Dad,
1885
01:25:23,100 --> 01:25:25,933
and just do it quickly.
1886
01:25:25,933 --> 01:25:31,142
I'm not being forced
to say any of this.
1887
01:25:31,142 --> 01:25:32,891
- We love you, Patty.
1888
01:25:32,891 --> 01:25:37,017
I'm sorry I'm crying,
but I'm happy you're safe.
1889
01:25:37,017 --> 01:25:38,725
And be strong.
1890
01:25:38,725 --> 01:25:41,017
I know God
will bring you back.
1891
01:25:41,017 --> 01:25:42,891
- I believe she's safe.
1892
01:25:42,891 --> 01:25:47,058
I believe that they
are taking good care of her.
1893
01:25:47,058 --> 01:25:49,600
And I believe
these people are sincere.
1894
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,058
[dramatic music]
1895
01:25:51,058 --> 01:25:53,017
- Patty feared Cinque.
1896
01:25:53,017 --> 01:25:55,183
He told her she'd be killed
if her parents did not meet
1897
01:25:55,183 --> 01:25:57,766
the SLA's demands,
and she believed him.
1898
01:25:57,766 --> 01:25:59,434
So Patty grew impatient
1899
01:25:59,434 --> 01:26:01,933
as the ransom negotiations
bogged down.
1900
01:26:01,933 --> 01:26:04,975
"I felt my parents were
debating how much I was worth.
1901
01:26:04,975 --> 01:26:06,891
"Like they figured
I was worth 2 million
1902
01:26:06,891 --> 01:26:08,600
"but I wasn't worth
10 million.
1903
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,559
"It was a horrible feeling
that my parents
1904
01:26:10,559 --> 01:26:13,017
"could think of me in terms
of dollars and cents.
1905
01:26:13,017 --> 01:26:16,100
I felt sick all over."
1906
01:26:16,100 --> 01:26:18,267
By degrees,
her disillusionment
1907
01:26:18,267 --> 01:26:21,891
with her parents turned
into sympathy for the SLA.
1908
01:26:21,891 --> 01:26:25,225
Cinque wanted her to become
a comrade in arms.
1909
01:26:25,225 --> 01:26:26,808
Patty was urged to attend
1910
01:26:26,808 --> 01:26:29,225
SLA's daily political
study sessions.
1911
01:26:29,225 --> 01:26:32,600
She was invited to listen
to the SLA national anthem,
1912
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:34,434
an eerie jazz composition
1913
01:26:34,434 --> 01:26:36,933
of wind and string
that Cinque had selected.
1914
01:26:36,933 --> 01:26:39,933
[jazz music]
1915
01:26:39,933 --> 01:26:41,434
♪ ♪
1916
01:26:41,434 --> 01:26:43,350
They hugged her,
called her "sister,"
1917
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:45,267
and ended her loneliness.
1918
01:26:45,267 --> 01:26:48,725
Patty's conversion was as
much emotional as political.
1919
01:26:48,725 --> 01:26:50,850
Seven weeks after
she was kidnapped,
1920
01:26:50,850 --> 01:26:54,058
Patty changed into Tania,
an SLA soldier.
1921
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:58,434
[suspenseful music]
1922
01:26:58,434 --> 01:27:03,017
♪ ♪
1923
01:27:03,017 --> 01:27:05,475
- Greetings to the people.
1924
01:27:05,475 --> 01:27:07,017
This is Tania.
1925
01:27:07,017 --> 01:27:10,267
On April 15th,
my comrades and I
1926
01:27:10,267 --> 01:27:15,142
expropriated $10,660.02
1927
01:27:15,142 --> 01:27:18,183
from the Sunset branch
of the Hibernia Bank.
1928
01:27:18,183 --> 01:27:20,891
Casualties
could have been avoided
1929
01:27:20,891 --> 01:27:22,392
had the persons involved
1930
01:27:22,392 --> 01:27:24,267
cooperated
with the people's forces
1931
01:27:24,267 --> 01:27:28,142
and kept out of the way
until after our departure.
1932
01:27:28,142 --> 01:27:30,559
- The story was
so widely covered.
1933
01:27:30,559 --> 01:27:32,225
It was like a circus.
1934
01:27:32,225 --> 01:27:35,142
It was O.J. Simpson
before O.J. Simpson.
1935
01:27:35,142 --> 01:27:37,309
But the mainstream media
never had
1936
01:27:37,309 --> 01:27:40,309
her side of the story
until "Rolling Stone"
1937
01:27:40,309 --> 01:27:43,600
found a source,
someone named Jack Scott.
1938
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,142
- Jack was a writer,
and he wanted to write
1939
01:27:46,142 --> 01:27:50,183
a book about the SLA,
so he came to Berkeley
1940
01:27:50,183 --> 01:27:53,808
to talk to friends who
were sympathetic to the SLA,
1941
01:27:53,808 --> 01:27:56,725
and he didn't realize quite
how sympathetic they were.
1942
01:27:56,725 --> 01:27:59,891
[Bob Dylan's
"Ballad of a Thin Man" plays]
1943
01:27:59,891 --> 01:28:01,225
♪ ♪
1944
01:28:01,225 --> 01:28:03,017
- At 2:00 the next afternoon,
1945
01:28:03,017 --> 01:28:05,475
at the corner of Telegraph
and Dwight Way,
1946
01:28:05,475 --> 01:28:07,350
the door opened,
and Jack walked
1947
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:10,850
into an apartment prepared
for a police invasion.
1948
01:28:10,850 --> 01:28:13,600
- ♪ You walk into the room ♪
1949
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,766
♪ With your pencil
in your hand ♪
1950
01:28:15,766 --> 01:28:19,017
- Automatic machine guns were
lined up next to the windows.
1951
01:28:19,017 --> 01:28:21,891
Grenades were stacked
in strategic corners.
1952
01:28:21,891 --> 01:28:25,641
One gun was cradled by
a short, unsmiling woman.
1953
01:28:25,641 --> 01:28:29,183
- ♪ But you don't understand ♪
1954
01:28:29,183 --> 01:28:33,933
♪ Just what you will say
when you get home ♪
1955
01:28:33,933 --> 01:28:37,058
- She was Tania,
Patricia Campbell Hearst.
1956
01:28:37,058 --> 01:28:38,933
- ♪ Because something
is happening here ♪
1957
01:28:38,933 --> 01:28:42,641
♪ But you don't know
what it is ♪
1958
01:28:42,641 --> 01:28:45,017
- "You said you were
interested in the SLA.
1959
01:28:45,017 --> 01:28:47,058
"That's why
we invited you here.
1960
01:28:47,058 --> 01:28:48,559
"The most important thing,
1961
01:28:48,559 --> 01:28:51,350
at this time
is to help us."
1962
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:54,475
Jack nodded.
He had over $40,000.
1963
01:28:54,475 --> 01:28:57,559
The fugitives were welcome
to some of that money.
1964
01:28:57,559 --> 01:28:59,100
They could not leave Berkeley
1965
01:28:59,100 --> 01:29:01,559
without the kind
of money Jack had.
1966
01:29:01,559 --> 01:29:05,309
♪ ♪
1967
01:29:05,309 --> 01:29:07,850
Too many wanted posters
had been circulated
1968
01:29:07,850 --> 01:29:09,766
to risk planes or trains.
1969
01:29:09,766 --> 01:29:12,434
They would have to split up,
travel by car.
1970
01:29:12,434 --> 01:29:14,559
Jack would have
to chauffeur Patty.
1971
01:29:14,559 --> 01:29:17,434
None of the other friends were
willing to drive 3,000 miles
1972
01:29:17,434 --> 01:29:19,933
with the most famous fugitive
in the country
1973
01:29:19,933 --> 01:29:22,933
to a wooden two-story house
that stood unpretentiously
1974
01:29:22,933 --> 01:29:24,891
by a dirt road
in Pennsylvania,
1975
01:29:24,891 --> 01:29:28,225
three hours west
of New York City.
1976
01:29:28,225 --> 01:29:31,600
Jack and Patty
made it without mishap.
1977
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,766
The farmhouse,
from the outside,
1978
01:29:33,766 --> 01:29:35,808
loomed tall and weathered.
1979
01:29:35,808 --> 01:29:39,017
Patty spent long hours
on a grassy hammock.
1980
01:29:39,017 --> 01:29:40,933
The Pennsylvania
summer seemed to relax
1981
01:29:40,933 --> 01:29:43,142
and rejuvenate
the fugitives.
1982
01:29:43,142 --> 01:29:44,766
They picked
wild blackberries
1983
01:29:44,766 --> 01:29:47,058
from bushes
growing across the road.
1984
01:29:47,058 --> 01:29:49,225
For two months,
the SLA fugitives
1985
01:29:49,225 --> 01:29:53,017
depended solely
on the Schotts.
1986
01:29:53,017 --> 01:29:55,475
Both sides agreed that
the fugitives should leave
1987
01:29:55,475 --> 01:29:57,641
the farmhouse
by September 1st.
1988
01:29:57,641 --> 01:29:59,808
Their friends back
in Berkeley might be willing
1989
01:29:59,808 --> 01:30:01,975
to risk helping them.
1990
01:30:01,975 --> 01:30:03,975
A series of calls followed.
1991
01:30:03,975 --> 01:30:07,559
Reluctantly, they explained
the hitch--Patty Hearst.
1992
01:30:07,559 --> 01:30:09,641
The new team did not want
the "Newsweek" cover girl
1993
01:30:09,641 --> 01:30:11,142
to be in the car
when they entered
1994
01:30:11,142 --> 01:30:13,100
a cross-country
automobile trip.
1995
01:30:13,100 --> 01:30:15,225
If Patty were
to leave the farm,
1996
01:30:15,225 --> 01:30:18,475
it seemed Jack would have
to drive the getaway car.
1997
01:30:18,475 --> 01:30:20,975
[suspenseful music]
1998
01:30:20,975 --> 01:30:23,350
Three days later,
they reached Las Vegas.
1999
01:30:23,350 --> 01:30:25,808
Jack dropped Patty
at a prearranged motel,
2000
01:30:25,808 --> 01:30:28,225
hugging her hard,
and said good-bye.
2001
01:30:28,225 --> 01:30:31,808
The date was
September 27, 1974.
2002
01:30:34,475 --> 01:30:37,559
- Patty Hearst was underground
for a long time,
2003
01:30:37,559 --> 01:30:39,434
about 19 months.
2004
01:30:39,434 --> 01:30:41,434
During that time,
David and I were--
2005
01:30:41,434 --> 01:30:43,017
we were writing the story,
2006
01:30:43,017 --> 01:30:44,683
and we could not reveal
that Jack Scott
2007
01:30:44,683 --> 01:30:46,933
was a primary source.
2008
01:30:46,933 --> 01:30:50,309
It's hard to describe
how dangerous this was.
2009
01:30:52,017 --> 01:30:55,225
Finally, I talked to Jann,
and I said,
2010
01:30:55,225 --> 01:30:57,641
"I think this is gonna blow
your mind, but"...
2011
01:30:57,641 --> 01:30:59,100
[laughs]
2012
01:30:59,100 --> 01:31:01,058
"Are you willing
to print a story
2013
01:31:01,058 --> 01:31:04,350
if you don't know where
the information comes from?"
2014
01:31:04,350 --> 01:31:06,183
And he said, "Yes."
2015
01:31:06,183 --> 01:31:09,017
He knew we had a scoop.
We all knew we had a scoop.
2016
01:31:09,017 --> 01:31:12,183
- So we got the article
all ready to go.
2017
01:31:12,183 --> 01:31:15,183
- But then all of a sudden,
Patty was found and arrested.
2018
01:31:15,183 --> 01:31:17,309
[indistinct shouting, cheering]
2019
01:31:17,309 --> 01:31:20,350
[gentle music]
2020
01:31:20,350 --> 01:31:22,475
♪ ♪
2021
01:31:22,475 --> 01:31:24,725
- She was arrested
on a Friday,
2022
01:31:24,725 --> 01:31:27,309
and we held an impromptu
press conference.
2023
01:31:27,309 --> 01:31:29,975
So it was me
in a flannel shirt
2024
01:31:29,975 --> 01:31:32,891
basically
validating our story.
2025
01:31:32,891 --> 01:31:35,225
The political content
of their arguments
2026
01:31:35,225 --> 01:31:36,975
about the inequitable
distribution of wealth
2027
01:31:36,975 --> 01:31:39,058
in this country and a lot
of things that a lot of us
2028
01:31:39,058 --> 01:31:42,559
would agree with did make
an impact on Patty Hearst...
2029
01:31:42,559 --> 01:31:44,225
- It was
the Patty Hearst stories
2030
01:31:44,225 --> 01:31:46,225
that put the magazine
over the top,
2031
01:31:46,225 --> 01:31:48,017
and after that,
"Rolling Stone"
2032
01:31:48,017 --> 01:31:50,517
increasingly got publicity
for its articles.
2033
01:31:50,517 --> 01:31:52,559
- A long investigation,
involving...
2034
01:31:52,559 --> 01:31:54,225
- "Rolling Stone," you say?
2035
01:31:54,225 --> 01:31:56,142
Well, maybe everybody
doesn't know.
2036
01:31:56,142 --> 01:31:59,058
"Rolling Stone" started out
as the counterculture,
2037
01:31:59,058 --> 01:32:01,058
underground sort of newspaper.
2038
01:32:01,058 --> 01:32:02,975
[Earth, Wind & Fire's
"Shining Star" plays]
2039
01:32:02,975 --> 01:32:05,517
Colonel McCormick
must be turning over to find
2040
01:32:05,517 --> 01:32:07,309
that his dear
"Chicago Tribune"
2041
01:32:07,309 --> 01:32:09,683
is carrying a story
originally broken
2042
01:32:09,683 --> 01:32:10,933
in "Rolling Stone."
2043
01:32:10,933 --> 01:32:12,142
- How did you get the story?
2044
01:32:12,142 --> 01:32:13,641
Who were your sources?
2045
01:32:13,641 --> 01:32:14,975
- How do you feel
about the ethics
2046
01:32:14,975 --> 01:32:16,850
of giving the SLA publicity?
2047
01:32:16,850 --> 01:32:19,725
- What exactly makes
the article so controversial?
2048
01:32:19,725 --> 01:32:21,641
- ♪ You're a shining star ♪
2049
01:32:21,641 --> 01:32:23,975
♪ No matter who you are ♪
2050
01:32:23,975 --> 01:32:25,975
♪ Shining bright to see ♪
2051
01:32:25,975 --> 01:32:29,309
♪ What you could truly be,
what you could truly be ♪
2052
01:32:29,309 --> 01:32:31,267
- Just recently
"Rolling Stone" magazine
2053
01:32:31,267 --> 01:32:34,309
put out
a two-edition article.
2054
01:32:34,309 --> 01:32:36,017
- Howard Kohn, thank you
very much for being with us.
2055
01:32:36,017 --> 01:32:38,434
- And would you please
welcome David Weir.
2056
01:32:38,434 --> 01:32:42,142
♪ ♪
2057
01:32:42,142 --> 01:32:44,434
- Two years ago,
the SLA announced itself
2058
01:32:44,434 --> 01:32:46,267
as a revolutionary vanguard.
2059
01:32:46,267 --> 01:32:49,267
It attempted to scare
the rich and powerful,
2060
01:32:49,267 --> 01:32:53,559
but managed instead
to scare the American people.
2061
01:32:53,559 --> 01:32:55,641
And history
has no record of a people
2062
01:32:55,641 --> 01:32:59,475
who have been frightened
into making a revolution.
2063
01:33:00,517 --> 01:33:04,100
- The SLA was, in a way,
the last gasp of the '60s,
2064
01:33:04,100 --> 01:33:05,600
even though it
was a weird gasp.
2065
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:07,350
And I feel like in a way,
2066
01:33:07,350 --> 01:33:09,434
I'm a stand-in for
a whole generation of people
2067
01:33:09,434 --> 01:33:13,058
who moved slowly away
from the protest things.
2068
01:33:13,058 --> 01:33:14,475
We got married.
2069
01:33:14,475 --> 01:33:16,392
We had kids.
We got jobs.
2070
01:33:16,392 --> 01:33:18,766
We became professionals
on some level.
2071
01:33:18,766 --> 01:33:22,475
And the idealism
of the generation
2072
01:33:22,475 --> 01:33:25,225
kind of melted away.
2073
01:33:25,225 --> 01:33:28,641
[car horns honking]
2074
01:33:29,766 --> 01:33:33,017
- Living in San Francisco,
you had the SLA,
2075
01:33:33,017 --> 01:33:35,350
you had the Zebra Killers,
2076
01:33:35,350 --> 01:33:39,017
you had the Zodiac Killers.
2077
01:33:39,017 --> 01:33:42,850
At some point, San Francisco
started to scare me.
2078
01:33:42,850 --> 01:33:44,850
I just was anxious
to get back East.
2079
01:33:44,850 --> 01:33:47,517
I thought New York
was where publishing was,
2080
01:33:47,517 --> 01:33:51,058
and it seemed
the right time to move.
2081
01:33:51,058 --> 01:33:52,891
- When we started
"Rolling Stone,"
2082
01:33:52,891 --> 01:33:54,933
San Francisco was a really
extremely exciting,
2083
01:33:54,933 --> 01:33:56,683
alive town.
2084
01:33:56,683 --> 01:33:59,933
Everybody now still--the same
people still live here,
2085
01:33:59,933 --> 01:34:02,517
but they've grown up,
you know.
2086
01:34:02,517 --> 01:34:05,058
Jerry Garcia
of the Grateful Dead
2087
01:34:05,058 --> 01:34:06,600
or the Airplane
or these people--
2088
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,766
they're no longer
25-year-old youngst--
2089
01:34:09,766 --> 01:34:10,975
[laughs]
How do you char--
2090
01:34:10,975 --> 01:34:12,641
Youngsters.
- Right.
2091
01:34:12,641 --> 01:34:14,683
- They're 35-year-old men,
and they've got families.
2092
01:34:14,683 --> 01:34:16,309
So everybody's settled down,
don't have the time
2093
01:34:16,309 --> 01:34:18,058
to run around anymore
and, you know,
2094
01:34:18,058 --> 01:34:19,517
create all those scenes--
it's not like that.
2095
01:34:19,517 --> 01:34:21,225
And so it's nothing--it was--
2096
01:34:21,225 --> 01:34:22,891
it was a natural thing
to have happened, you know.
2097
01:34:22,891 --> 01:34:25,725
[Harry Nilsson's
"Gotta Get Up" plays]
2098
01:34:25,725 --> 01:34:29,225
By 1977,
we were expanding,
2099
01:34:29,225 --> 01:34:31,975
and New York was
the only place we could do it,
2100
01:34:31,975 --> 01:34:34,641
and we were ready to go.
2101
01:34:34,641 --> 01:34:36,891
- ♪ Gotta get up,
gotta get out ♪
2102
01:34:36,891 --> 01:34:39,933
♪ Gotta get home
before the morning comes ♪
2103
01:34:39,933 --> 01:34:42,058
♪ What if I'm late?
Got a big date ♪
2104
01:34:42,058 --> 01:34:45,641
♪ Gotta get home before
the sun comes up ♪
2105
01:34:45,641 --> 01:34:47,891
♪ Up and away,
got a big day ♪
2106
01:34:47,891 --> 01:34:51,183
♪ Sorry can't stay,
I gotta run, run, yeah ♪
2107
01:34:51,183 --> 01:34:53,017
- When I went to New York,
it changed a lot.
2108
01:34:53,017 --> 01:34:54,766
A lot of the original
people didn't go.
2109
01:34:54,766 --> 01:34:56,517
And it was
a whole new staff,
2110
01:34:56,517 --> 01:35:00,100
and they didn't have
the élan and the esprit
2111
01:35:00,100 --> 01:35:01,933
we had in San Francisco.
2112
01:35:01,933 --> 01:35:03,933
- ♪ There was a time
when we could dance ♪
2113
01:35:03,933 --> 01:35:05,766
♪ Until a quarter to 10:00 ♪
2114
01:35:05,766 --> 01:35:09,100
- "Rolling Stone" should be,
by its existence,
2115
01:35:09,100 --> 01:35:12,309
somehow threatening
to the establishment.
2116
01:35:12,309 --> 01:35:16,475
Instead, it's become
the establishment in a way.
2117
01:35:16,475 --> 01:35:19,267
- ♪ We never thought
we'd get older ♪
2118
01:35:19,267 --> 01:35:23,183
♪ We never thought
we'd grow cold, but now... ♪
2119
01:35:23,183 --> 01:35:27,017
- Jann's fundamental
conundrum is that, uh,
2120
01:35:27,017 --> 01:35:30,475
his whole gestalt was based on
music and the power of music,
2121
01:35:30,475 --> 01:35:33,475
that rock and roll
will set you free.
2122
01:35:33,475 --> 01:35:35,517
Well, rock and roll
no longer sets you free.
2123
01:35:35,517 --> 01:35:37,350
It's Muzak now.
2124
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:39,725
Um, and it's
no longer threatening.
2125
01:35:39,725 --> 01:35:41,309
It's no longer revolutionary.
2126
01:35:41,309 --> 01:35:43,225
It's just a big
billion-dollar industry.
2127
01:35:43,225 --> 01:35:44,933
So, if you've attached
your whole life
2128
01:35:44,933 --> 01:35:46,766
and your editorial genius
to that concept
2129
01:35:46,766 --> 01:35:49,225
and all of a sudden it changes,
what do you do?
2130
01:35:49,225 --> 01:35:51,725
- ♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪
2131
01:35:51,725 --> 01:35:54,183
♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪
2132
01:35:54,183 --> 01:35:56,766
♪ They're forming
in a straight line ♪
2133
01:35:56,766 --> 01:35:59,517
♪ They're going
through a tight wind ♪
2134
01:35:59,517 --> 01:36:01,641
♪ The kids are losing
their minds ♪
2135
01:36:01,641 --> 01:36:03,475
♪ Blitzkrieg bop ♪
2136
01:36:03,475 --> 01:36:06,392
- Hippie rock had really
dominated things for so long.
2137
01:36:06,392 --> 01:36:08,392
The idea of sitting around
and smoking dope
2138
01:36:08,392 --> 01:36:12,100
and nodding off just
was not really appealing
2139
01:36:12,100 --> 01:36:15,559
to people who were like,
you know, 15.
2140
01:36:15,559 --> 01:36:18,142
They don't want to do that.
"My dad does that."
2141
01:36:18,142 --> 01:36:20,058
You just were yearning
for something
2142
01:36:20,058 --> 01:36:23,600
to come along and blow that
away, and punk rock did.
2143
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:25,725
- ♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪
2144
01:36:25,725 --> 01:36:28,517
♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪
2145
01:36:28,517 --> 01:36:30,100
- You could trace it back
2146
01:36:30,100 --> 01:36:31,975
to Iggy and the Stooges
in Detroit.
2147
01:36:31,975 --> 01:36:34,225
You could trace it
back to Elvis Presley.
2148
01:36:34,225 --> 01:36:36,517
You could trace it back
as far as you want, uh,
2149
01:36:36,517 --> 01:36:38,517
but, you know, the clothing
2150
01:36:38,517 --> 01:36:42,225
and the loud, fast guitars--
that started in New York.
2151
01:36:42,225 --> 01:36:44,058
And it started at CBGB.
2152
01:36:44,058 --> 01:36:47,100
[punk rock music]
2153
01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:48,559
♪ ♪
2154
01:36:48,559 --> 01:36:50,183
- First time
I saw the Ramones
2155
01:36:50,183 --> 01:36:53,392
was in the summer of 1975.
2156
01:36:53,392 --> 01:36:56,891
It was like nothing
I'd--I'd heard.
2157
01:36:56,891 --> 01:37:00,058
Everything you heard
on the radio was either disco
2158
01:37:00,058 --> 01:37:03,891
or Linda Ronstadt, Eagles,
soft rock axis,
2159
01:37:03,891 --> 01:37:07,309
that after a while
just got to be boring.
2160
01:37:07,309 --> 01:37:10,683
And the Ramones went out
there, and they blew me away.
2161
01:37:10,683 --> 01:37:12,850
And I stayed around
for two sets
2162
01:37:12,850 --> 01:37:14,808
until about 3:00
in the morning with this girl
2163
01:37:14,808 --> 01:37:16,891
who didn't want to stick
around for any of it at all,
2164
01:37:16,891 --> 01:37:19,225
but she was afraid
to go home alone,
2165
01:37:19,225 --> 01:37:21,725
so we stayed
for the whole thing.
2166
01:37:21,725 --> 01:37:24,017
♪ ♪
2167
01:37:24,017 --> 01:37:26,017
- I met Chuck
when we moved to New York.
2168
01:37:26,017 --> 01:37:29,434
He never was part
of the West Coast operation.
2169
01:37:29,434 --> 01:37:32,017
And I don't know.
We just hit it off.
2170
01:37:32,017 --> 01:37:33,891
He was ten years younger
than me,
2171
01:37:33,891 --> 01:37:38,017
and he just had his finger
on what was happening.
2172
01:37:38,017 --> 01:37:40,766
He introduced me
to CBGB's and punk music.
2173
01:37:40,766 --> 01:37:42,850
- Okay, what we've got--
okay, there's two pages
2174
01:37:42,850 --> 01:37:45,267
scheduled for--it's gonna
be about 4,000 words.
2175
01:37:45,267 --> 01:37:48,475
- One time we were
having an editorial meeting.
2176
01:37:48,475 --> 01:37:50,766
We were talking
about serious stuff
2177
01:37:50,766 --> 01:37:54,225
and, you know,
editorial shit.
2178
01:37:54,225 --> 01:37:56,267
All of a sudden,
the door breaks open,
2179
01:37:56,267 --> 01:37:59,600
and it's Chuck, but he
came out with this weird hair,
2180
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:01,475
and he looked
entirely different,
2181
01:38:01,475 --> 01:38:03,350
and he had a boom box,
2182
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:07,434
which he put down and he
just started miming this song.
2183
01:38:07,434 --> 01:38:10,766
- ♪ I got no reason,
it's all too much ♪
2184
01:38:10,766 --> 01:38:13,017
♪ You'll always find us ♪
2185
01:38:13,017 --> 01:38:15,392
- It was the first time
I heard the Sex Pistols.
2186
01:38:15,392 --> 01:38:17,600
- ♪ Out to lunch ♪
2187
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:19,350
♪ ♪
2188
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:23,975
♪ Oh, we're so pretty,
oh, so pretty ♪
2189
01:38:23,975 --> 01:38:26,434
♪ We're vacant,
oh, we're so pretty ♪
2190
01:38:26,434 --> 01:38:28,600
- It wasn't just the fact
that Chuck was young
2191
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:32,517
and outrageous and disruptive
and the music was, too.
2192
01:38:32,517 --> 01:38:36,517
He saw that this was
valid musically.
2193
01:38:36,517 --> 01:38:38,725
- Chuck Young's cover story
on the Sex Pistols
2194
01:38:38,725 --> 01:38:41,975
I think, was an experiment
that Jann sort of
2195
01:38:41,975 --> 01:38:43,683
allowed to go forward.
2196
01:38:43,683 --> 01:38:46,808
I don't think he saw
much future in this.
2197
01:38:46,808 --> 01:38:48,600
[indistinct chatter]
2198
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:50,309
- A little before midnight,
2199
01:38:50,309 --> 01:38:54,100
my taxi arrives
at a club called the Vortex.
2200
01:38:54,100 --> 01:38:57,434
- ♪ Is this the MPLA? ♪
2201
01:38:57,434 --> 01:39:01,100
♪ Or is this the UDA? ♪
2202
01:39:01,100 --> 01:39:04,808
♪ Or is this the IRA? ♪
2203
01:39:04,808 --> 01:39:08,683
♪ I thought it was the U.K. ♪
2204
01:39:08,683 --> 01:39:10,559
- The dense crowd
inside consists
2205
01:39:10,559 --> 01:39:14,267
of cadaverous teenagers
dressed in black or gray.
2206
01:39:14,267 --> 01:39:16,933
Johnny Rotten,
blessed with a demented anger
2207
01:39:16,933 --> 01:39:19,392
unseen outside a war zone,
declared himself
2208
01:39:19,392 --> 01:39:22,725
an Antichrist who wanted
to destroy everything.
2209
01:39:22,725 --> 01:39:24,267
The BBC was not amused
2210
01:39:24,267 --> 01:39:26,891
and gave the Sex Pistols
no airplay.
2211
01:39:26,891 --> 01:39:28,683
- ♪ I want to be ♪
2212
01:39:28,683 --> 01:39:31,808
♪ Anarchy ♪
2213
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:53,142
♪ Anarchy ♪
2214
01:39:53,142 --> 01:39:59,350
♪ 'Cause I want to be ♪
2215
01:39:59,350 --> 01:40:02,058
♪ Anarchy ♪
2216
01:40:02,058 --> 01:40:04,933
- When you stood up
and started singing
2217
01:40:04,933 --> 01:40:08,183
for the first time,
what happened?
2218
01:40:08,183 --> 01:40:10,559
- Go on, John. Go on.
- It was wonderful.
2219
01:40:10,559 --> 01:40:12,017
- No, come on.
2220
01:40:12,017 --> 01:40:14,559
- People loved me.
They threw flowers.
2221
01:40:14,559 --> 01:40:16,559
- What do you think
about bands like the Stones?
2222
01:40:16,559 --> 01:40:20,058
- I don't.
- [chuckles]
2223
01:40:20,058 --> 01:40:21,725
- I don't even
consider them a band.
2224
01:40:21,725 --> 01:40:23,600
They're more like a business.
2225
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,183
- Do you think they're relevant
to the kids, 16, 17?
2226
01:40:26,183 --> 01:40:28,641
- Of course they're not.
2227
01:40:28,641 --> 01:40:31,933
Relevant to their mums
and dads, but that's about all.
2228
01:40:31,933 --> 01:40:34,100
- What about bands
like Rod Stewart?
2229
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:35,975
- What about him?
- Mums and dads.
2230
01:40:35,975 --> 01:40:38,475
- He's all-around, isn't he?
All-around entertainment.
2231
01:40:38,475 --> 01:40:39,850
- He's an old [bleep].
2232
01:40:39,850 --> 01:40:41,641
- ♪ Hear me ♪
2233
01:40:41,641 --> 01:40:45,434
- ♪ Through the dark night ♪
2234
01:40:45,434 --> 01:40:48,766
♪ Far away ♪
2235
01:40:48,766 --> 01:40:51,766
- The Sex Pistols chose not
the politics of boredom,
2236
01:40:51,766 --> 01:40:53,559
but the politics of division.
2237
01:40:53,559 --> 01:40:56,017
Amputate the wanking
'60s liberals
2238
01:40:56,017 --> 01:40:58,100
from their
working-class support.
2239
01:40:58,100 --> 01:41:00,309
"The kids needed
a sense of adventure,
2240
01:41:00,309 --> 01:41:02,142
"and rock and roll
needs to find a way
2241
01:41:02,142 --> 01:41:04,267
to give it to them,"
says Malcolm McLaren,
2242
01:41:04,267 --> 01:41:06,891
the manager
of the Sex Pistols.
2243
01:41:06,891 --> 01:41:11,017
- It didn't take much
to set something up
2244
01:41:11,017 --> 01:41:14,183
opposite everything
the industry
2245
01:41:14,183 --> 01:41:16,183
had recognized as good,
2246
01:41:16,183 --> 01:41:20,600
which meant all this
incredible corporate thinking,
2247
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:24,183
all this legacy
of pop music
2248
01:41:24,183 --> 01:41:27,392
was suddenly
having a huge stake
2249
01:41:27,392 --> 01:41:30,183
driven through its heart
by the Sex Pistols,
2250
01:41:30,183 --> 01:41:34,058
and they had legions
of followers wanting more.
2251
01:41:34,058 --> 01:41:41,142
♪ ♪
2252
01:41:47,350 --> 01:41:49,933
See, this group
was put together
2253
01:41:49,933 --> 01:41:52,808
not because
they were friends.
2254
01:41:52,808 --> 01:41:56,850
They didn't really, genuinely
have anything in common
2255
01:41:56,850 --> 01:42:01,225
other than the fact that
they hated everything else.
2256
01:42:01,225 --> 01:42:02,850
[cheers and applause]
2257
01:42:02,850 --> 01:42:04,434
- We aren't nice boys.
2258
01:42:04,434 --> 01:42:07,392
We were fucking
nasty little bastards.
2259
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:11,559
And we still are.
2260
01:42:11,559 --> 01:42:14,142
- Sid Vicious is about
as close as rock and roll
2261
01:42:14,142 --> 01:42:15,766
is going to come
to Huckleberry Finn
2262
01:42:15,766 --> 01:42:17,559
in this decade.
2263
01:42:17,559 --> 01:42:20,142
His voice has a tone
of goofy absurdity.
2264
01:42:20,142 --> 01:42:21,850
- Here, want one of these?
2265
01:42:21,850 --> 01:42:23,350
- Something like
Ringo Starr's,
2266
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:24,600
though he'd hate
that analogy.
2267
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:26,183
- Who else wants something?
2268
01:42:26,183 --> 01:42:28,808
Come on if you want something,
you cunts.
2269
01:42:28,808 --> 01:42:32,475
- His teeth appear not to have
been brushed in several years,
2270
01:42:32,475 --> 01:42:34,225
his hair is about
two inches long
2271
01:42:34,225 --> 01:42:36,225
and sticks straight out
at odd angles.
2272
01:42:36,225 --> 01:42:40,058
Several bright red scars
highlight his solar plexus.
2273
01:42:40,058 --> 01:42:41,725
- All I did was cash in
on the fact
2274
01:42:41,725 --> 01:42:44,309
that I'm good-looking
and I have a good figure
2275
01:42:44,309 --> 01:42:46,183
and girls like me.
2276
01:42:46,183 --> 01:42:50,183
If they want a fucking angel
in flairs and an anorak--
2277
01:42:50,183 --> 01:42:52,267
'cause if they want that,
2278
01:42:52,267 --> 01:42:55,766
that ain't me, baby.
2279
01:42:55,766 --> 01:42:58,142
- This summer the Pistols
have been careening
2280
01:42:58,142 --> 01:43:00,559
in overexposure
in their homeland.
2281
01:43:00,559 --> 01:43:02,808
The four major music weeklies
have mentioned them
2282
01:43:02,808 --> 01:43:05,392
on the cover of almost
every issue for months.
2283
01:43:05,392 --> 01:43:07,891
Taking punk lyrics
at their literal word,
2284
01:43:07,891 --> 01:43:09,850
the dailies
regularly proclaim
2285
01:43:09,850 --> 01:43:13,100
the movement as the end
of Western civilization.
2286
01:43:13,100 --> 01:43:14,933
- And, okay, you want
to get your music across,
2287
01:43:14,933 --> 01:43:17,517
but do you feel maybe
the fact that you can't do
2288
01:43:17,517 --> 01:43:19,850
that commercially is because
of the way that you behave?
2289
01:43:19,850 --> 01:43:21,517
- [belches]
2290
01:43:21,517 --> 01:43:23,267
- Since they are banned
everywhere,
2291
01:43:23,267 --> 01:43:25,600
they will be playing
under assumed names.
2292
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:27,850
Tonight they're
going to be The SPOTS,
2293
01:43:27,850 --> 01:43:32,142
an acronym for the
Sex Pistols on Tour Secretly.
2294
01:43:32,142 --> 01:43:33,725
The club is
in the middle of a tough,
2295
01:43:33,725 --> 01:43:35,350
working-class neighborhood.
2296
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:37,434
Inside it is already
packed with people
2297
01:43:37,434 --> 01:43:39,850
in their late teens
and early 20s.
2298
01:43:39,850 --> 01:43:41,808
- [yells]
2299
01:43:41,808 --> 01:43:44,933
[aggressive punk music playing]
2300
01:43:44,933 --> 01:43:51,850
♪ ♪
2301
01:43:51,850 --> 01:43:54,600
[singing indistinctly]
2302
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:59,058
♪ ♪
2303
01:43:59,058 --> 01:44:00,933
- The crush around
the foot-high stage
2304
01:44:00,933 --> 01:44:02,808
is literally unbelievable,
and skirmishes
2305
01:44:02,808 --> 01:44:05,142
with the security men
immediately erupt.
2306
01:44:05,142 --> 01:44:07,808
Some kid has put his fist
through one of the speakers
2307
01:44:07,808 --> 01:44:09,600
and a few more
stomp on wires
2308
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,600
and knock over
electronic equipment.
2309
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:13,766
The ten-foot stacks
of PA speakers are rocking
2310
01:44:13,766 --> 01:44:15,600
back and forth
and are dangerously close
2311
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:17,100
to toppling over.
2312
01:44:17,100 --> 01:44:19,434
- [yelling]
[microphone feedback whines]
2313
01:44:19,434 --> 01:44:21,142
- I don't like it.
2314
01:44:21,142 --> 01:44:22,600
I didn't like it then,
2315
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:24,475
and I don't particularly
care for it now.
2316
01:44:24,475 --> 01:44:26,891
So, you know,
I took a little persuading.
2317
01:44:26,891 --> 01:44:28,517
If there's something
you don't like,
2318
01:44:28,517 --> 01:44:30,392
you still have to be
open to it,
2319
01:44:30,392 --> 01:44:32,725
and you wait
till a constituency
2320
01:44:32,725 --> 01:44:34,891
within the office
kind of builds towards it,
2321
01:44:34,891 --> 01:44:36,766
and all of a sudden,
you got three or four people
2322
01:44:36,766 --> 01:44:39,434
you respect, like Chuck,
saying, "We got to do it."
2323
01:44:39,434 --> 01:44:43,350
You know,
and so you say, "Do it."
2324
01:44:43,350 --> 01:44:45,142
- This is a great story
about Chuck Young,
2325
01:44:45,142 --> 01:44:47,058
who's just a silly,
crazy guy.
2326
01:44:47,058 --> 01:44:49,100
We were going
to do the Sex Pistols.
2327
01:44:49,100 --> 01:44:52,517
They were playing in Texas,
and we got to the airport,
2328
01:44:52,517 --> 01:44:54,808
and our plane wasn't gonna fly.
2329
01:44:54,808 --> 01:44:57,183
So Chuck said,
"Let's drive."
2330
01:44:57,183 --> 01:45:00,017
So we drove to Texas.
2331
01:45:00,017 --> 01:45:02,392
- From New York?
- From New York.
2332
01:45:02,392 --> 01:45:03,975
- Oh, my God.
Wow!
2333
01:45:03,975 --> 01:45:06,183
- And we got there just--
And we're the crazy--
2334
01:45:06,183 --> 01:45:07,891
We got there just in time.
2335
01:45:07,891 --> 01:45:10,559
They were putting the--
You know, we drove all night.
2336
01:45:10,559 --> 01:45:13,100
And this--you know, they're
just putting the sign up
2337
01:45:13,100 --> 01:45:16,183
on this really--
this dive, you know,
2338
01:45:16,183 --> 01:45:18,766
where the Sex Pistols played.
2339
01:45:18,766 --> 01:45:21,183
That's a real
"Rolling Stone" story.
2340
01:45:21,183 --> 01:45:23,891
Chuck Young, "Okay, let's
just--let's just drive."
2341
01:45:23,891 --> 01:45:26,850
[laughing]
So...
2342
01:45:26,850 --> 01:45:29,600
Anyway...
2343
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:30,891
Jann...
2344
01:45:30,891 --> 01:45:32,517
uh, you know that you
2345
01:45:32,517 --> 01:45:35,017
took that photograph
and ran it
2346
01:45:35,017 --> 01:45:36,766
on the cover with no type.
2347
01:45:36,766 --> 01:45:40,683
I mean, it, um--
it said it all.
2348
01:45:40,683 --> 01:45:45,766
You know, you--you--
you--you just--
2349
01:45:45,766 --> 01:45:48,309
You know...
2350
01:45:48,309 --> 01:45:51,808
- Two, three, four.
2351
01:45:51,808 --> 01:45:56,225
For the other half
of the sky.
2352
01:45:56,225 --> 01:45:58,725
♪ Woman ♪
2353
01:45:58,725 --> 01:46:02,766
♪ I can hardly express ♪
2354
01:46:02,766 --> 01:46:04,766
♪ My mixed emotions ♪
2355
01:46:04,766 --> 01:46:08,766
♪ At my thoughtlessness ♪
2356
01:46:08,766 --> 01:46:14,100
♪ After all,
I'm forever in your debt ♪
2357
01:46:14,100 --> 01:46:15,933
♪ And, woman ♪
2358
01:46:15,933 --> 01:46:18,725
- They had just finished
their "Double Fantasy" album.
2359
01:46:18,725 --> 01:46:20,350
I remember seeing the cover
2360
01:46:20,350 --> 01:46:23,766
and being very, uh,
moved by it...
2361
01:46:23,766 --> 01:46:25,517
because this was 1980.
2362
01:46:25,517 --> 01:46:27,933
Romance was not
exactly number one on--
2363
01:46:27,933 --> 01:46:29,683
[chuckles]
On anyone's list.
2364
01:46:29,683 --> 01:46:33,267
And--and I was very moved
by seeing them kiss on that--
2365
01:46:33,267 --> 01:46:35,142
on their album cover,
and I thought,
2366
01:46:35,142 --> 01:46:38,975
"How simple, you know,
how beautiful, you know."
2367
01:46:38,975 --> 01:46:43,475
And I wanted to try
something of them, um,
2368
01:46:43,475 --> 01:46:45,600
of John and Yoko
embracing.
2369
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:48,641
- [vocalizing]
2370
01:46:48,641 --> 01:46:54,641
♪ ♪
2371
01:46:54,641 --> 01:46:56,933
♪ Well, well ♪
2372
01:46:56,933 --> 01:47:01,309
[vocalizing]
2373
01:47:01,309 --> 01:47:03,142
♪ Woman ♪
2374
01:47:03,142 --> 01:47:05,350
- I remember arriving
at the apartment that morning,
2375
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:08,267
and John taking me aside
and saying,
2376
01:47:08,267 --> 01:47:10,434
"Listen, you know,
I know they want to run me
2377
01:47:10,434 --> 01:47:13,058
"by myself on the cover,
you know, but I don't want--
2378
01:47:13,058 --> 01:47:15,559
"I mean, I really want Yoko
to be on the cover with me.
2379
01:47:15,559 --> 01:47:17,434
It's really important."
2380
01:47:17,434 --> 01:47:19,309
I said, "Well, we'll just
have to do something
2381
01:47:19,309 --> 01:47:21,600
very, very strong."
2382
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:24,850
And Yoko, you know, at
the last minute did not want
2383
01:47:24,850 --> 01:47:27,017
to take her clothes off.
2384
01:47:27,017 --> 01:47:29,725
So, of course, when they lay
down together and John was--
2385
01:47:29,725 --> 01:47:34,434
John was nude, curled up,
you know, against her clothed,
2386
01:47:34,434 --> 01:47:36,725
I mean, he looked
much more vulnerable.
2387
01:47:36,725 --> 01:47:39,100
- ♪ Well, well ♪
2388
01:47:39,100 --> 01:47:41,891
[vocalizing]
2389
01:47:41,891 --> 01:47:44,100
- I remember
peeling the Polaroid
2390
01:47:44,100 --> 01:47:46,183
and him looking at it
and saying,
2391
01:47:46,183 --> 01:47:48,350
"This is it.
This is our relationship."
2392
01:47:48,350 --> 01:47:51,517
- ♪ Now and forever ♪
2393
01:47:51,517 --> 01:47:54,891
♪ I love ♪
2394
01:47:54,891 --> 01:47:56,350
♪ You ♪
2395
01:47:56,350 --> 01:47:58,683
- I'm in love with you.
[giggles]
2396
01:47:58,683 --> 01:48:02,350
- Unfortunately,
I'm in love with you, too.
2397
01:48:02,350 --> 01:48:06,350
- But in the end,
I think we'll agree.
2398
01:48:06,350 --> 01:48:08,850
- Fortunately,
we don't know.
2399
01:48:08,850 --> 01:48:11,058
But in the end,
we'll find out.
2400
01:48:12,808 --> 01:48:15,058
- That was the last
picture of him.
2401
01:48:15,058 --> 01:48:19,225
Several hours later,
John was murdered.
2402
01:48:19,225 --> 01:48:21,559
December 8, 1980.
2403
01:48:21,559 --> 01:48:23,683
[sirens wailing]
2404
01:48:24,891 --> 01:48:27,683
- "Man shot,
1 West 72nd,"
2405
01:48:27,683 --> 01:48:32,017
was the call on the police
radio just before 11:00 p.m.
2406
01:48:32,017 --> 01:48:33,725
Officers Jim Moran
and Bill Gamble
2407
01:48:33,725 --> 01:48:35,267
were in the third
blue-and-white
2408
01:48:35,267 --> 01:48:36,891
that screamed to a halt
2409
01:48:36,891 --> 01:48:39,475
outside the Dakota
apartment building.
2410
01:48:39,475 --> 01:48:41,100
The man who had been shot
2411
01:48:41,100 --> 01:48:43,267
couldn't wait
for an ambulance.
2412
01:48:43,267 --> 01:48:45,475
They stretched him out
on the back seat of their car
2413
01:48:45,475 --> 01:48:47,392
and raced
to Roosevelt Hospital
2414
01:48:47,392 --> 01:48:50,017
at the corner of 59th Street
and 9th Avenue.
2415
01:48:50,017 --> 01:48:52,267
They lifted the bloody body
onto a gurney
2416
01:48:52,267 --> 01:48:54,600
and wheeled it
into the emergency room.
2417
01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:56,891
There was nothing
the doctors could do.
2418
01:48:56,891 --> 01:49:01,766
They pronounced John Lennon
dead at 11:07 p.m.
2419
01:49:01,766 --> 01:49:05,641
- ♪ We're afraid to be alone ♪
2420
01:49:05,641 --> 01:49:10,100
- It's a tragedy
for Yoko and her little kid.
2421
01:49:10,100 --> 01:49:11,975
What did it say
about our times?
2422
01:49:11,975 --> 01:49:14,183
What did it say
about music itself?
2423
01:49:14,183 --> 01:49:17,891
Was all this violence
hidden within it?
2424
01:49:17,891 --> 01:49:22,267
- ♪ Just a boy
and a little girl ♪
2425
01:49:22,267 --> 01:49:26,058
♪ Trying to change
the whole wide world ♪
2426
01:49:26,058 --> 01:49:29,225
♪ I... ♪
2427
01:49:29,225 --> 01:49:32,142
♪ ..solation ♪
2428
01:49:32,142 --> 01:49:35,475
- You know, is this--
did it have some seeds of evil?
2429
01:49:35,475 --> 01:49:39,808
Who could do such a thing?
I mean, it's just a musician.
2430
01:49:39,808 --> 01:49:41,559
- You knew him personally.
2431
01:49:41,559 --> 01:49:44,392
- Yep.
- What was he like?
2432
01:49:44,392 --> 01:49:46,559
- Oh, he was warm,
and he was very witty,
2433
01:49:46,559 --> 01:49:50,725
very funny
and very intense.
2434
01:49:50,725 --> 01:49:52,975
John and the Beatles are
a part of everybody's lives,
2435
01:49:52,975 --> 01:49:55,183
and they die,
and something in you dies,
2436
01:49:55,183 --> 01:49:58,142
and something
about all your friends dies,
2437
01:49:58,142 --> 01:50:00,142
and something
about your life is--
2438
01:50:00,142 --> 01:50:02,392
you know, you feel gone
and concerned about it,
2439
01:50:02,392 --> 01:50:05,559
and it's the gathering
together of a great family.
2440
01:50:05,559 --> 01:50:08,559
- How big is that family?
- Very big, very big.
2441
01:50:08,559 --> 01:50:10,517
You know,
it's the biggest family.
2442
01:50:10,517 --> 01:50:12,808
It's the whole--you know,
it's really the whole world.
2443
01:50:12,808 --> 01:50:14,850
[The Beatles's
"A Day in the Life" plays]
2444
01:50:14,850 --> 01:50:18,933
- ♪ I read the news day,
oh, boy ♪
2445
01:50:18,933 --> 01:50:20,683
♪ ♪
2446
01:50:20,683 --> 01:50:25,225
♪ About a lucky man
who made the grade ♪
2447
01:50:25,225 --> 01:50:27,267
♪ ♪
2448
01:50:27,267 --> 01:50:30,850
♪ And though the news
was rather sad ♪
2449
01:50:30,850 --> 01:50:33,350
♪ ♪
2450
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:37,017
♪ Well, I just
had to laugh ♪
2451
01:50:37,017 --> 01:50:39,600
♪ ♪
2452
01:50:39,600 --> 01:50:43,683
♪ I saw the photograph ♪
2453
01:50:43,683 --> 01:50:45,766
♪ ♪
2454
01:50:45,766 --> 01:50:48,600
- To hear John Lennon
had been murdered by a fan,
2455
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:51,559
that he had been killed
for who and what he was,
2456
01:50:51,559 --> 01:50:54,891
was like watching someone
you love being hit by a car.
2457
01:50:56,434 --> 01:50:59,808
I have my own reasons
for caring about John Lennon--
2458
01:50:59,808 --> 01:51:02,100
a song or a moment
in "Help!"--
2459
01:51:02,100 --> 01:51:05,058
that may never
have affected you,
2460
01:51:05,058 --> 01:51:08,600
but you have reasons that
are fundamentally the same.
2461
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:10,683
And that's why it was
other people's reaction
2462
01:51:10,683 --> 01:51:12,891
to John Lennon's murder
that produced in me
2463
01:51:12,891 --> 01:51:15,600
the most
overwhelming despair.
2464
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:18,559
Rock and roll works
as common experience
2465
01:51:18,559 --> 01:51:20,183
and private obsession.
2466
01:51:20,183 --> 01:51:22,559
The two
can't really be separated.
2467
01:51:22,559 --> 01:51:25,891
Indeed, one fuels the other.
2468
01:51:27,808 --> 01:51:31,225
- I came in, and they were
mocking up covers
2469
01:51:31,225 --> 01:51:32,808
just with John.
2470
01:51:32,808 --> 01:51:34,434
You know,
I had done some close-ups
2471
01:51:34,434 --> 01:51:36,392
of John's face
and his head.
2472
01:51:36,392 --> 01:51:39,267
And, um, you know,
I went in to see Jann,
2473
01:51:39,267 --> 01:51:42,600
and I said, "Jann,
you know, I promised John
2474
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:46,933
that the cover would be,
um, him and Yoko."
2475
01:51:51,434 --> 01:51:53,559
And Jann backed me up.
2476
01:51:55,683 --> 01:52:00,100
He, you know--I said
it was the last promise...
2477
01:52:00,100 --> 01:52:02,891
[softly] You know, so...
2478
01:52:04,559 --> 01:52:07,766
[John Lennon's
"Grow Old With Me" plays]
2479
01:52:07,766 --> 01:52:14,850
♪ ♪
2480
01:52:16,100 --> 01:52:21,142
- ♪ Grow old along with me ♪
2481
01:52:21,142 --> 01:52:22,517
♪ ♪
2482
01:52:22,517 --> 01:52:27,309
♪ Our best is yet to be ♪
2483
01:52:27,309 --> 01:52:29,808
♪ ♪
2484
01:52:29,808 --> 01:52:33,683
♪ When our time has come ♪
2485
01:52:33,683 --> 01:52:35,850
♪ ♪
2486
01:52:35,850 --> 01:52:39,559
♪ We will be as one ♪
2487
01:52:39,559 --> 01:52:41,933
♪ ♪
2488
01:52:41,933 --> 01:52:45,309
♪ God bless our love ♪
2489
01:52:45,309 --> 01:52:48,100
♪ ♪
2490
01:52:48,100 --> 01:52:51,183
♪ God bless our love ♪
2491
01:52:51,183 --> 01:52:58,350
♪ ♪
2492
01:53:01,517 --> 01:53:07,641
♪ Grow old along with me ♪
2493
01:53:07,641 --> 01:53:12,850
♪ Two branches of one tree ♪
2494
01:53:12,850 --> 01:53:15,142
♪ ♪
2495
01:53:15,142 --> 01:53:20,683
♪ Face the setting sun ♪
2496
01:53:20,683 --> 01:53:24,725
♪ When the day is done ♪
2497
01:53:24,725 --> 01:53:26,850
♪ ♪
2498
01:53:26,850 --> 01:53:30,517
♪ God bless our love ♪
2499
01:53:30,517 --> 01:53:32,891
♪ ♪
2500
01:53:32,891 --> 01:53:36,891
♪ God bless our love ♪
2501
01:53:36,891 --> 01:53:44,017
♪ ♪
2502
01:53:51,058 --> 01:53:55,766
♪ Spending
our lives together ♪
2503
01:53:55,766 --> 01:53:57,434
♪ ♪
2504
01:53:57,434 --> 01:54:01,559
♪ Man and wife together ♪
2505
01:54:01,559 --> 01:54:04,517
♪ World without end ♪
2506
01:54:04,517 --> 01:54:07,559
♪ World without end ♪
2507
01:54:07,559 --> 01:54:14,683
♪ ♪
2508
01:54:18,475 --> 01:54:24,683
♪ Grow old along with me ♪
2509
01:54:24,683 --> 01:54:29,517
♪ Whatever fate decrees ♪
2510
01:54:29,517 --> 01:54:32,100
♪ ♪
2511
01:54:32,100 --> 01:54:36,267
♪ We will see it through ♪
2512
01:54:36,267 --> 01:54:37,933
♪ ♪
2513
01:54:37,933 --> 01:54:43,683
♪ For our love is true ♪
2514
01:54:43,683 --> 01:54:47,142
[song fading]
♪ God bless our love ♪
2515
01:55:02,434 --> 01:55:04,517
[bright tone]
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