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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:43,776 --> 00:00:46,654 The sound I'm going to play now 2 00:00:46,696 --> 00:00:50,658 is Timothy Leary's voice... 3 00:00:50,700 --> 00:00:52,910 in 1974 4 00:00:52,952 --> 00:00:57,874 when he was incarcerated at Vacaville Prison. 5 00:00:58,916 --> 00:01:02,128 He did a series of interviews 6 00:01:02,170 --> 00:01:05,715 with one of the psychologists at the prison. 7 00:01:09,552 --> 00:01:12,180 I'm just going to play the very first words 8 00:01:12,221 --> 00:01:15,016 he gave this psychologist. 9 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,874 Dr. Timothy Leary, 10 00:01:39,916 --> 00:01:43,836 once a clinical psychologist and Harvard professor, 11 00:01:43,878 --> 00:01:45,046 now, by his own description, 12 00:01:45,087 --> 00:01:46,797 a visionary prophet. 13 00:01:46,839 --> 00:01:49,634 Others have called him the man most responsible 14 00:01:49,675 --> 00:01:52,303 for the North American crisis over LSD. 15 00:01:52,345 --> 00:01:54,639 We're teaching people how to use their head. 16 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,891 The, uh, point is... 17 00:01:56,933 --> 00:01:58,893 that in order to use your head, 18 00:01:58,935 --> 00:02:01,354 you have to go out of your mind. 19 00:02:01,395 --> 00:02:04,232 He... was 20 00:02:04,273 --> 00:02:06,275 put in prison 21 00:02:06,317 --> 00:02:09,237 as an ideological trafficker 22 00:02:09,278 --> 00:02:11,197 that had to be stopped. 23 00:02:11,239 --> 00:02:13,366 After he escaped from prison 24 00:02:13,407 --> 00:02:15,952 and spent three years in Europe, 25 00:02:15,993 --> 00:02:20,623 we were both trapped and captured in Afghanistan. 26 00:02:24,460 --> 00:02:26,254 My biggest question: 27 00:02:27,296 --> 00:02:29,924 Was I being manipulated? 28 00:02:29,966 --> 00:02:32,927 And if I was manipulated, 29 00:02:32,969 --> 00:02:35,429 how far back did it go? 30 00:02:39,934 --> 00:02:43,563 Whatever forces 31 00:02:43,604 --> 00:02:46,524 had been following Timothy 32 00:02:46,566 --> 00:02:48,276 since way back. 33 00:02:49,610 --> 00:02:52,280 All of the counterculture said 34 00:02:52,321 --> 00:02:57,410 that I was a CIA sex provocateur, 35 00:02:57,451 --> 00:02:59,787 a Mata Hari, 36 00:02:59,829 --> 00:03:02,206 that I had been sent 37 00:03:02,248 --> 00:03:05,459 to lead Timothy to Afghanistan 38 00:03:05,501 --> 00:03:08,296 and get him arrested. 39 00:03:08,337 --> 00:03:10,464 Twenty. 40 00:03:10,506 --> 00:03:13,009 Is Joanna Harcourt-Smith, 41 00:03:13,050 --> 00:03:16,512 his one contact/spokesagent, 42 00:03:16,554 --> 00:03:18,306 a sex spy? 43 00:03:18,347 --> 00:03:21,601 An agent provocateuse, 44 00:03:21,642 --> 00:03:23,144 a double agent, 45 00:03:23,185 --> 00:03:25,271 a CIA hysteric, 46 00:03:25,313 --> 00:03:27,773 a jealous tigress, or what? 47 00:03:27,815 --> 00:03:29,692 All of the above. 48 00:03:29,734 --> 00:03:31,986 So you're a CIA plant? 49 00:03:32,028 --> 00:03:34,488 I still wonder to this day. 50 00:03:38,576 --> 00:03:41,287 It's in watching Wormwood... 51 00:03:42,955 --> 00:03:44,665 where I said to myself, 52 00:03:44,707 --> 00:03:47,793 "Maybe I was a CIA plant." 53 00:03:47,835 --> 00:03:51,005 And maybe I'd been manipulated 54 00:03:51,047 --> 00:03:54,508 to... lead Timothy Leary 55 00:03:54,550 --> 00:03:56,927 back into being captured. 56 00:04:00,890 --> 00:04:03,017 Uh, this is Joanna Harcourt. 57 00:04:03,059 --> 00:04:05,019 First I'd like to show you these two papers 58 00:04:05,061 --> 00:04:07,271 that, uh, Timothy Leary gave me 59 00:04:07,313 --> 00:04:09,273 two minutes before we got off the plane 60 00:04:09,315 --> 00:04:11,275 in Los Angeles yesterday evening. 61 00:04:15,571 --> 00:04:17,198 I'll read them to you. 62 00:04:17,239 --> 00:04:20,576 "January 18th, 1973, 63 00:04:20,618 --> 00:04:22,078 To Joanna Harcourt-Smith, 64 00:04:22,119 --> 00:04:24,163 I lovingly give all the rights 65 00:04:24,205 --> 00:04:28,000 to transmit the story of our perfect love in Spain, 66 00:04:28,042 --> 00:04:30,670 Switzerland, Austria, USA, 67 00:04:30,711 --> 00:04:34,382 Lebanon, Afghanistan, Germany, et cetera. Timothy Leary." 68 00:04:34,423 --> 00:04:36,258 If you'd like to see them. 69 00:04:40,221 --> 00:04:43,224 I loved him. 70 00:04:43,265 --> 00:04:46,686 I had known him for six weeks. 71 00:04:46,727 --> 00:04:49,021 We had traveled like 72 00:04:49,063 --> 00:04:52,316 shooting stars across Europe, 73 00:04:52,358 --> 00:04:54,610 taking acid every day... 74 00:04:56,779 --> 00:04:59,907 plunging into the maddest, 75 00:04:59,949 --> 00:05:03,285 romantic relationship you could ever imagine. 76 00:05:06,455 --> 00:05:09,083 I knew nothing about him. 77 00:05:10,376 --> 00:05:13,421 I had not read any of his books. 78 00:05:15,381 --> 00:05:18,759 I had heard the Moody Blues song. 79 00:05:18,801 --> 00:05:21,762 I remember exactly 80 00:05:21,804 --> 00:05:23,264 where I heard that song. 81 00:05:23,305 --> 00:05:25,891 Seven months pregnant 82 00:05:25,933 --> 00:05:28,936 in a bathtub in Trenton, New Jersey, 83 00:05:28,978 --> 00:05:32,898 which for me was like stranger than Peru, 84 00:05:32,940 --> 00:05:35,651 with my tummy protruding out of the water 85 00:05:35,693 --> 00:05:37,236 and hearing... 86 00:05:37,278 --> 00:05:39,530 Timothy Leary's dead 87 00:05:39,572 --> 00:05:41,574 No, no, no, no 88 00:05:41,615 --> 00:05:44,368 He's outside, looking in 89 00:05:48,914 --> 00:05:51,917 Timothy Leary's dead 90 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:57,089 And I got this strange destiny feeling. 91 00:05:57,131 --> 00:05:59,759 It's happened to me many times in my life. 92 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,218 This is a turning point. 93 00:06:01,260 --> 00:06:04,722 He'll fly his astral plane 94 00:06:04,764 --> 00:06:08,642 Takes you trips around the bay 95 00:06:08,684 --> 00:06:11,228 Timothy Leary 96 00:06:12,354 --> 00:06:14,815 Timothy Leary 97 00:06:14,857 --> 00:06:17,651 LSD was calling me. 98 00:06:17,693 --> 00:06:19,320 Definitely. 99 00:06:22,615 --> 00:06:24,992 The Supreme Court today overturned 100 00:06:25,034 --> 00:06:26,994 the narcotics conviction of Dr. Timothy Leary, 101 00:06:27,036 --> 00:06:29,455 and in the process dealt a crippling blow 102 00:06:29,497 --> 00:06:31,373 to federal marijuana laws. 103 00:06:31,415 --> 00:06:33,626 I don't think that I'm ever going to spend 104 00:06:33,667 --> 00:06:35,961 more than one day in jail-- that's my limit. 105 00:06:36,003 --> 00:06:37,838 You see, it would be suicidal 106 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,882 for the United States government to put me in jail. 107 00:06:39,924 --> 00:06:42,426 Every time they arrest me, they bring more interest 108 00:06:42,468 --> 00:06:44,553 and sympathy for what we're doing. 109 00:06:44,595 --> 00:06:47,890 'Cause we're not criminals, we're not dope addicts. 110 00:06:47,932 --> 00:06:50,810 We're sincere people trying to do our best for our society 111 00:06:50,851 --> 00:06:52,311 and for our own souls. 112 00:06:59,401 --> 00:07:02,238 I had a very painful childhood. 113 00:07:03,489 --> 00:07:06,283 Much of it was about 114 00:07:06,325 --> 00:07:09,745 being Jews in Europe. 115 00:07:10,913 --> 00:07:14,875 My mother went through two world wars. 116 00:07:16,335 --> 00:07:20,631 She went through two world wars as a Jew. 117 00:07:23,259 --> 00:07:25,344 She carried the trauma 118 00:07:25,386 --> 00:07:29,056 of having escaped Poland. 119 00:07:29,098 --> 00:07:34,520 She carried the trauma of 77 of her relatives 120 00:07:34,562 --> 00:07:35,855 being killed. 121 00:07:35,896 --> 00:07:40,401 Except for sometimes being funny... 122 00:07:41,902 --> 00:07:44,113 my mother was... 123 00:07:46,615 --> 00:07:48,242 well, 124 00:07:48,284 --> 00:07:51,328 she treated me like 125 00:07:51,370 --> 00:07:52,955 she was Hitler 126 00:07:52,997 --> 00:07:54,707 and I was the Jew. 127 00:07:56,792 --> 00:07:59,587 That didn't make for a very happy childhood. 128 00:08:02,882 --> 00:08:07,386 I think I was about 11 when I found out we were Jewish. 129 00:08:07,428 --> 00:08:10,222 And so, I immediately ran to my mother 130 00:08:10,264 --> 00:08:11,724 and I said to her, 131 00:08:11,765 --> 00:08:14,018 "This is wonderful, we're Jewish! 132 00:08:14,059 --> 00:08:17,605 We're the most intelligent people in the world!" 133 00:08:17,646 --> 00:08:20,274 And she slapped me across the face. 134 00:08:22,651 --> 00:08:26,030 She said, "Never, never, never say that." 135 00:08:26,071 --> 00:08:29,950 Being a Catholic was the salvation. 136 00:08:29,992 --> 00:08:32,953 It would save her child, her children, 137 00:08:32,995 --> 00:08:35,539 and, uh, it would save her. 138 00:08:37,750 --> 00:08:41,962 So back to LSD calling me. 139 00:08:42,004 --> 00:08:45,132 There was something that could provoke 140 00:08:45,174 --> 00:08:47,676 an enormous change in me. 141 00:08:49,219 --> 00:08:52,514 And perhaps I could find out 142 00:08:52,556 --> 00:08:55,476 what it was to feel planted. 143 00:08:58,187 --> 00:09:00,230 Something is being born, 144 00:09:00,272 --> 00:09:02,983 and I wanted to be part of it. 145 00:09:04,610 --> 00:09:06,445 For those of you who, uh, 146 00:09:06,487 --> 00:09:08,447 missed the last thrilling installment 147 00:09:08,489 --> 00:09:10,282 in this Keystone Kops drama, 148 00:09:10,324 --> 00:09:12,952 yesterday afternoon Rosemary and I came here 149 00:09:12,993 --> 00:09:16,497 to talk to the press about, uh, our views 150 00:09:16,538 --> 00:09:18,666 and to, uh, answer any questions. 151 00:09:18,707 --> 00:09:20,501 And, as you probably know, uh, 152 00:09:20,542 --> 00:09:22,002 I was arrested 153 00:09:22,044 --> 00:09:24,505 and then immediately released at the, um, 154 00:09:24,546 --> 00:09:25,714 at the jail. 155 00:09:28,384 --> 00:09:31,011 Dr. Timothy Leary, the former Harvard instructor 156 00:09:31,053 --> 00:09:33,347 who became an exponent of LSD, 157 00:09:33,389 --> 00:09:35,891 has been convicted of illegally transporting marijuana 158 00:09:35,933 --> 00:09:39,144 and faces a possible 20-year prison sentence. 159 00:09:44,566 --> 00:09:48,362 At that time, this character I had been 160 00:09:48,404 --> 00:09:50,990 lovers with... 161 00:09:51,031 --> 00:09:53,575 when I was 18 years old... 162 00:09:55,327 --> 00:09:57,538 a man called Michel Hauchard... 163 00:09:58,914 --> 00:10:01,542 came to visit me. 164 00:10:01,583 --> 00:10:03,836 He was an arms dealer... 165 00:10:05,295 --> 00:10:07,923 a James Bond villain. 166 00:10:07,965 --> 00:10:11,593 Timothy called him Goldfinger. 167 00:10:13,303 --> 00:10:14,888 Do you expect me to talk? 168 00:10:14,930 --> 00:10:19,393 No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die. 169 00:10:19,435 --> 00:10:23,063 He was always trying to get back with me. 170 00:10:23,105 --> 00:10:24,898 He would say to me, "I have a Rolls-Royce," 171 00:10:24,940 --> 00:10:26,650 and I'd say, "I don't care." 172 00:10:26,692 --> 00:10:28,485 He'd say, "I have a villa in the south of France." 173 00:10:28,527 --> 00:10:29,862 I'd say, "I don't care." 174 00:10:29,903 --> 00:10:31,405 We had dinner, 175 00:10:31,447 --> 00:10:33,407 and at dinner he said to me, 176 00:10:33,449 --> 00:10:36,493 "I own Timothy Leary." 177 00:10:36,535 --> 00:10:38,829 So I said, "What is Timothy Leary?" 178 00:10:38,871 --> 00:10:42,332 "It's this man who's very famous in America, 179 00:10:42,374 --> 00:10:45,002 and he's escaped from prison." 180 00:10:45,044 --> 00:10:48,088 That was so exciting for me! 181 00:10:48,130 --> 00:10:50,758 I almost wanted to be with an outlaw. 182 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:53,260 Dr. Timothy Leary, formerly of Harvard, 183 00:10:53,302 --> 00:10:55,596 now known as the High Priest of the drug cult, 184 00:10:55,637 --> 00:10:58,140 escaped during the night from the California Men's Colony 185 00:10:58,182 --> 00:10:59,933 at San Luis Obispo. 186 00:10:59,975 --> 00:11:02,436 Dr. Leary was serving a term of up to ten years 187 00:11:02,478 --> 00:11:04,396 for possession of marijuana. 188 00:11:06,148 --> 00:11:08,275 We want to tell the people of the United States 189 00:11:08,317 --> 00:11:10,736 the third world war has begun. 190 00:11:10,778 --> 00:11:12,988 Join us in the fight for freedom 191 00:11:13,030 --> 00:11:15,074 because we are everywhere, 192 00:11:15,115 --> 00:11:17,284 and we're happy and we're free. 193 00:11:17,326 --> 00:11:19,453 And we want to make the world free. 194 00:11:19,495 --> 00:11:23,290 And how did he come to "own" Timothy Leary? 195 00:11:23,332 --> 00:11:24,833 Well, this is it. 196 00:11:24,875 --> 00:11:27,294 His friend recommended 197 00:11:27,336 --> 00:11:29,379 that he be Timothy 198 00:11:29,421 --> 00:11:31,340 and Rosemary's protector 199 00:11:31,381 --> 00:11:33,342 in Switzerland. 200 00:11:33,383 --> 00:11:36,804 Michel gave them a beautiful house... 201 00:11:37,846 --> 00:11:41,141 paid for a nice life. 202 00:11:41,183 --> 00:11:43,977 But after a short while he said, 203 00:11:44,019 --> 00:11:45,979 "If you write a book about your escape, 204 00:11:46,021 --> 00:11:48,065 I will sell it." 205 00:11:50,359 --> 00:11:51,819 Michel said to Timothy, 206 00:11:51,860 --> 00:11:53,320 "I would like you to 207 00:11:53,362 --> 00:11:55,656 sign a contract where you assign to me 208 00:11:55,697 --> 00:11:59,159 all your literary rights 209 00:11:59,201 --> 00:12:01,995 now and forever." 210 00:12:02,037 --> 00:12:03,789 Timothy had nothing to lose. 211 00:12:03,831 --> 00:12:06,333 He was an outlaw on the run. 212 00:12:06,375 --> 00:12:07,876 He signed it. 213 00:12:07,918 --> 00:12:10,295 And so that's what Michel meant 214 00:12:10,337 --> 00:12:11,880 when he sat next to me 215 00:12:11,922 --> 00:12:13,841 in that restaurant 216 00:12:13,882 --> 00:12:16,009 in Marbella and said, 217 00:12:16,051 --> 00:12:18,512 "I own Timothy Leary." 218 00:12:18,554 --> 00:12:19,847 How rich is he? 219 00:12:19,888 --> 00:12:21,640 Who? Michel Hauchard? 220 00:12:21,682 --> 00:12:23,016 Yes. 221 00:12:23,058 --> 00:12:24,476 How can I tell? 222 00:12:24,518 --> 00:12:28,522 You can never tell how rich, rich people are. 223 00:12:28,564 --> 00:12:31,692 Switzerland today refused a United States request 224 00:12:31,733 --> 00:12:35,237 for the extradition of LSD advocate Timothy Leary. 225 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:38,615 Leary called it a victory of love. 226 00:12:38,657 --> 00:12:39,992 Dr. Leary, 227 00:12:40,033 --> 00:12:41,869 you are in exile from your own country. 228 00:12:41,910 --> 00:12:44,705 -You're a fugitive from justice. -Mm-hmm. 229 00:12:44,746 --> 00:12:45,873 How do you feel about that, 230 00:12:45,914 --> 00:12:47,124 not being able to go home? 231 00:12:47,166 --> 00:12:48,542 Well, it's ironic, um, 232 00:12:48,584 --> 00:12:49,877 my joy today... 233 00:12:49,918 --> 00:12:51,670 comes because, uh, 234 00:12:51,712 --> 00:12:53,714 I'm not going to go back to the United States. 235 00:12:53,755 --> 00:12:55,966 I'm going to decline the invitation of, uh, 236 00:12:56,008 --> 00:12:58,802 Governor Reagan and President Nixon to, uh, 237 00:12:58,844 --> 00:13:00,345 come back to their prison. 238 00:13:00,387 --> 00:13:05,058 I started thinking about this Timothy Leary. 239 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:09,062 I just had this destiny thing. 240 00:13:12,733 --> 00:13:17,571 I always feel when there's going to be a turn in my destiny. 241 00:13:17,613 --> 00:13:20,616 It's happened to me again and again and again. 242 00:13:24,244 --> 00:13:26,580 I was living in the south of Spain 243 00:13:26,622 --> 00:13:29,082 in this place called Marbella. 244 00:13:30,959 --> 00:13:33,378 It was very groovy. 245 00:13:38,717 --> 00:13:41,428 I took off with a man 246 00:13:41,470 --> 00:13:43,680 in a VW bus. 247 00:13:43,722 --> 00:13:48,101 He spent a lot of time with the Rolling Stones. 248 00:13:49,603 --> 00:13:51,188 One of their songs is called 249 00:13:51,230 --> 00:13:54,024 "Tommy the Tumbling Dice." 250 00:13:55,150 --> 00:13:58,278 It's about my friend Tommy. 251 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,865 We went to see Keith Richards 252 00:14:01,907 --> 00:14:04,618 in Villars, in Switzerland. 253 00:14:06,620 --> 00:14:09,748 Keith Richards had this lover, 254 00:14:09,790 --> 00:14:12,376 Anita Pallenberg, 255 00:14:12,417 --> 00:14:16,296 who was quite a sizzling number, 256 00:14:16,338 --> 00:14:18,757 I would say. 257 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:20,759 She almost singlehandedly 258 00:14:20,801 --> 00:14:24,346 invented the Rolling Stones. 259 00:14:24,388 --> 00:14:27,641 She said, "There's this man, Timothy Leary, 260 00:14:27,683 --> 00:14:30,477 and his wife is gone, 261 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,730 and you have to meet him." 262 00:14:36,066 --> 00:14:39,027 At that time I was very busy. 263 00:14:39,069 --> 00:14:41,405 What Tommy and I were doing is 264 00:14:41,446 --> 00:14:46,243 we were trying to convince Keith, 265 00:14:46,285 --> 00:14:47,995 "Go to America 266 00:14:48,036 --> 00:14:50,914 and do a series 267 00:14:50,956 --> 00:14:53,000 of concerts 268 00:14:53,041 --> 00:14:56,253 to promote McGovern. 269 00:14:58,046 --> 00:15:00,841 We didn't want Nixon to win the election. 270 00:15:02,384 --> 00:15:03,635 And Keith said... 271 00:15:03,677 --> 00:15:06,179 Sure. 272 00:15:06,221 --> 00:15:09,516 Tommy and I flew to Washington, D.C. 273 00:15:11,226 --> 00:15:13,145 We went to the McGovern 274 00:15:13,186 --> 00:15:15,188 headquarters and we told them, 275 00:15:15,230 --> 00:15:17,858 "Hey, the Rolling Stones are willing to do 276 00:15:17,899 --> 00:15:21,361 three weeks or a month of concerts for you." 277 00:15:23,071 --> 00:15:26,408 And there was such a sense of defeatism. 278 00:15:27,743 --> 00:15:29,661 They were so down, 279 00:15:29,703 --> 00:15:32,331 they felt so bad that they couldn't accept. 280 00:15:33,623 --> 00:15:35,250 So, 281 00:15:36,293 --> 00:15:38,337 next adventure? 282 00:15:41,673 --> 00:15:45,052 We went to New York. 283 00:15:45,093 --> 00:15:47,346 We were staying with this friend of mine, 284 00:15:47,387 --> 00:15:49,556 Diane von Furstenberg. 285 00:15:51,224 --> 00:15:53,560 Those are the kind of people I grew up with. 286 00:15:55,187 --> 00:15:57,064 -The phone rang. 287 00:15:57,105 --> 00:15:58,732 She handed me the phone, 288 00:15:58,774 --> 00:16:00,734 and I was just lying there 289 00:16:00,776 --> 00:16:02,402 on her mink blanket. 290 00:16:02,444 --> 00:16:04,905 It was Michel. Michel knew Diane. 291 00:16:04,946 --> 00:16:07,908 I made an appointment to go and have drinks with him 292 00:16:07,949 --> 00:16:10,577 at the St. Regis. 293 00:16:10,619 --> 00:16:13,413 He pulled out a check 294 00:16:13,455 --> 00:16:16,708 for $250,000. 295 00:16:16,750 --> 00:16:18,585 That's a lot of money. 296 00:16:18,627 --> 00:16:22,089 He says, "That's what Bantam Books gave me 297 00:16:22,130 --> 00:16:26,510 for the manuscript that Timothy has just written 298 00:16:26,551 --> 00:16:28,261 about his escape 299 00:16:28,303 --> 00:16:31,598 and his life on the run," 300 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,227 the book that became Confessions of a Hope Fiend. 301 00:16:36,395 --> 00:16:39,898 He was emulating Aleister Crowley. 302 00:16:44,486 --> 00:16:46,446 Well, I thought, "Oh, my goodness, 303 00:16:46,488 --> 00:16:48,824 this guy's really interesting." 304 00:17:41,460 --> 00:17:45,505 Tommy and I flew to Geneva, 305 00:17:45,547 --> 00:17:47,966 went into Lausanne, 306 00:17:48,008 --> 00:17:50,510 -went up to Michel's house. 307 00:17:50,552 --> 00:17:53,638 The Moroccan butler opened the door. 308 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:59,394 We gave him a good English hashish spliff. 309 00:17:59,436 --> 00:18:01,563 I went into Michel's office 310 00:18:01,605 --> 00:18:04,774 and I opened his address book, 311 00:18:04,816 --> 00:18:07,194 and I found about five phone numbers 312 00:18:07,235 --> 00:18:09,654 for Timothy. 313 00:18:09,696 --> 00:18:13,658 Isn't Tommy jealous of your interest in Leary? 314 00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:16,495 Well, he thought he'd be included. 315 00:18:16,536 --> 00:18:18,538 I mean, he didn't think that 316 00:18:18,580 --> 00:18:22,876 Timothy and I were going to be each other's destiny. 317 00:18:25,086 --> 00:18:27,130 Then I went to 318 00:18:27,172 --> 00:18:29,966 the Palace Hotel in Lausanne. 319 00:18:30,008 --> 00:18:31,384 I didn't have any money. 320 00:18:31,426 --> 00:18:35,388 I never have any money, but things happen. 321 00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:37,974 And they knew me because I learned to walk there. 322 00:18:39,267 --> 00:18:41,102 We got this beautiful suite. 323 00:18:41,144 --> 00:18:43,313 I started calling Timothy. 324 00:18:44,773 --> 00:18:46,483 Hello? 325 00:18:46,525 --> 00:18:50,320 I told him I saw Michel Hauchard in New York 326 00:18:50,362 --> 00:18:53,532 and he has a big check of yours. 327 00:18:53,573 --> 00:18:57,244 He invited us to come to Lucerne 328 00:18:57,285 --> 00:18:58,703 and meet him. 329 00:18:58,745 --> 00:19:00,664 We got a bunch of balloons 330 00:19:00,705 --> 00:19:03,208 which we put in the back of the car 331 00:19:03,250 --> 00:19:05,585 and we drove to Lucerne. 332 00:19:07,045 --> 00:19:08,630 Multicolored balloons? 333 00:19:08,672 --> 00:19:10,924 Multicolored balloons, of course. 334 00:19:12,926 --> 00:19:17,264 I think I must have looked at him from the feet to the top. 335 00:19:17,305 --> 00:19:19,266 And I swear it looked like 336 00:19:19,307 --> 00:19:21,726 he was dancing, 337 00:19:21,768 --> 00:19:23,186 not walking. 338 00:19:24,813 --> 00:19:26,731 I immediately thought, "Oh, my goodness, 339 00:19:26,773 --> 00:19:29,609 this man is incredibly attractive. 340 00:19:31,069 --> 00:19:35,198 He invited us to go to his chalet. 341 00:19:36,533 --> 00:19:39,786 He said, "Will you come with me?" 342 00:19:39,828 --> 00:19:44,082 He had this canary yellow Porsche. 343 00:19:46,126 --> 00:19:48,336 I thought, "Well, this is getting better and better. 344 00:19:48,378 --> 00:19:50,714 This man is hip!" 345 00:19:53,049 --> 00:19:54,801 Maybe hip enough for me. 346 00:19:56,928 --> 00:19:58,763 And we went to his chalet. 347 00:19:58,805 --> 00:20:01,766 And he had three or four people there. 348 00:20:02,976 --> 00:20:04,769 He said, 349 00:20:04,811 --> 00:20:07,439 "Does anybody want to take LSD?" 350 00:20:10,817 --> 00:20:14,863 I had two Clear Light acid... 351 00:20:16,281 --> 00:20:17,699 and I said, "Well, yes, 352 00:20:17,741 --> 00:20:20,493 but I just have enough for you and me." 353 00:20:20,535 --> 00:20:22,829 He said to me, 354 00:20:22,871 --> 00:20:25,040 "You've come to free me." 355 00:20:29,127 --> 00:20:31,171 I thought, 356 00:20:31,212 --> 00:20:33,840 "Okay." 357 00:20:33,882 --> 00:20:36,843 I was a little intimidated, but not too much. 358 00:20:36,885 --> 00:20:39,262 And we went to this restaurant. 359 00:20:39,304 --> 00:20:42,349 I was still tripping. 360 00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:45,518 Everything was going whoosh, whoosh. 361 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,687 For the people who know, uh, 362 00:20:47,729 --> 00:20:51,191 there can be great liquidity 363 00:20:51,232 --> 00:20:53,026 when you've taken acid. 364 00:20:53,068 --> 00:20:55,362 He ordered eggs and bacon. 365 00:20:55,403 --> 00:20:58,531 To me, the eggs were like eyes, 366 00:20:58,573 --> 00:21:01,326 but he was very comfortable 367 00:21:01,368 --> 00:21:03,078 with having a good breakfast. 368 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,831 He brought his tarot cards with him. 369 00:21:06,873 --> 00:21:09,376 He explained to me that he was 370 00:21:09,417 --> 00:21:11,878 a reincarnation 371 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,588 of Aleister Crowley... 372 00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:18,009 and that this was Crowley's deck. 373 00:21:19,719 --> 00:21:24,557 And the first card was the Wheel of Fortune, 374 00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:28,395 and he said to me, "That's what you are to me. 375 00:21:28,436 --> 00:21:30,230 Watch the wheel turn 376 00:21:30,271 --> 00:21:33,274 and destiny turn. 377 00:21:33,316 --> 00:21:37,404 It's going to have an enormous influence on my life." 378 00:21:37,445 --> 00:21:40,740 And then he pulled the second card 379 00:21:40,782 --> 00:21:42,450 and it was Prudence. 380 00:21:44,244 --> 00:21:45,912 And I thought, 381 00:21:45,954 --> 00:21:48,415 "No, no, I'll pass on that." 382 00:21:48,456 --> 00:21:50,083 And then, 383 00:21:50,125 --> 00:21:53,044 he pulled out... 384 00:21:53,086 --> 00:21:55,588 the Tower, 385 00:21:55,630 --> 00:21:58,925 which is an absolute explosion. 386 00:22:00,051 --> 00:22:02,762 It is a card designed 387 00:22:02,804 --> 00:22:04,931 to tell you 388 00:22:04,973 --> 00:22:08,143 that many times in life 389 00:22:08,184 --> 00:22:10,562 when something major passes, 390 00:22:10,603 --> 00:22:14,399 it feels like everything you knew 391 00:22:14,441 --> 00:22:16,067 is being destroyed 392 00:22:16,109 --> 00:22:18,319 to be renewed. 393 00:22:19,988 --> 00:22:22,949 That's what the Tower represents. 394 00:22:22,991 --> 00:22:26,244 Absolute chaos... 395 00:22:27,495 --> 00:22:29,664 and transformation. 396 00:22:34,377 --> 00:22:37,046 And at that moment he said to me, 397 00:22:37,088 --> 00:22:39,799 "You've come to free me, 398 00:22:39,841 --> 00:22:42,927 and I'm returning to America." 399 00:22:42,969 --> 00:22:46,347 I didn't really understand what he meant... 400 00:22:48,349 --> 00:22:51,060 but I knew we were bonded. 401 00:22:52,854 --> 00:22:54,689 Truly bonded. 402 00:23:00,028 --> 00:23:02,405 Is there where Dennis Martino enters? 403 00:23:03,823 --> 00:23:06,493 Dennis Martino was at the chalet. 404 00:23:08,495 --> 00:23:10,663 The sorcerer's apprentice. 405 00:23:12,373 --> 00:23:16,169 A dope dealer with the Brotherhood of Eternal Love. 406 00:23:16,211 --> 00:23:18,379 A group of 407 00:23:18,421 --> 00:23:22,133 Laguna Beach surfers... 408 00:23:23,218 --> 00:23:26,471 who dealt hashish 409 00:23:26,513 --> 00:23:28,473 between Afghanistan 410 00:23:28,515 --> 00:23:31,184 and the United States. 411 00:23:31,226 --> 00:23:33,144 Dennis knew Timothy 412 00:23:33,186 --> 00:23:35,730 because Dennis's twin brother 413 00:23:35,772 --> 00:23:37,565 made a baby 414 00:23:37,607 --> 00:23:40,026 with Timothy's daughter. 415 00:23:42,362 --> 00:23:43,863 Is there any suggestion-- 416 00:23:43,905 --> 00:23:45,698 I know that this became an issue later-- 417 00:23:45,740 --> 00:23:47,116 maybe I'm jumping ahead-- 418 00:23:47,158 --> 00:23:50,119 that Dennis might be working against Timothy? 419 00:23:50,161 --> 00:23:51,496 If you want, Errol, 420 00:23:51,538 --> 00:23:54,499 we can, uh, at some point get into 421 00:23:54,541 --> 00:23:56,501 "strange stuff." 422 00:23:56,543 --> 00:23:59,045 One of the reasons I... 423 00:23:59,087 --> 00:24:01,381 came to get you 424 00:24:01,422 --> 00:24:05,051 was because of these strangenesses. 425 00:24:05,093 --> 00:24:07,470 People are here, then they show up here. 426 00:24:07,512 --> 00:24:12,892 You asked earlier, Why would you be manipulated? 427 00:24:12,934 --> 00:24:17,272 Well, because I think this is a huge part 428 00:24:17,313 --> 00:24:19,732 of the manipulation 429 00:24:19,774 --> 00:24:22,443 by government that has led us 430 00:24:22,485 --> 00:24:24,654 to where we are today... 431 00:24:26,114 --> 00:24:29,284 the Timothy Leary story. 432 00:24:29,325 --> 00:24:31,744 President Nixon asked Congress today 433 00:24:31,786 --> 00:24:34,747 for new laws to deal with drugs and narcotics. 434 00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:36,541 The new laws the President wants 435 00:24:36,583 --> 00:24:38,543 would replace parts of the Marijuana Act 436 00:24:38,585 --> 00:24:41,254 struck down by the Supreme Court last year. 437 00:24:41,296 --> 00:24:43,673 Other legislation would give a task force 438 00:24:43,715 --> 00:24:46,384 of federal agents broad new powers to break in 439 00:24:46,426 --> 00:24:48,928 and make arrests without warning. 440 00:25:26,507 --> 00:25:27,926 After breakfast, 441 00:25:27,967 --> 00:25:30,303 we go back to his house. 442 00:25:30,345 --> 00:25:33,806 Tommy explains to him 443 00:25:33,848 --> 00:25:38,686 that the way we're going to get him out of Switzerland, 444 00:25:38,728 --> 00:25:41,397 we're going to buy a sailboat 445 00:25:41,439 --> 00:25:44,067 in Amsterdam. 446 00:25:44,108 --> 00:25:47,236 We're going to make that sailboat 447 00:25:47,278 --> 00:25:49,614 a radio station. 448 00:25:51,824 --> 00:25:53,826 We're going to start broadcasting 449 00:25:53,868 --> 00:25:57,330 revolutionary messages, 450 00:25:57,372 --> 00:26:00,625 peace and love messages. 451 00:26:00,667 --> 00:26:03,795 We're going to sail over to Jamaica 452 00:26:03,836 --> 00:26:08,508 where the Rolling Stones are recording their latest album. 453 00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:12,345 We left Timothy and went back to the Palace Hotel. 454 00:26:12,387 --> 00:26:14,180 They said that if I didn't pay the bill, 455 00:26:14,222 --> 00:26:16,599 I was going to be arrested in the morning. 456 00:26:16,641 --> 00:26:20,186 I thought, "That's amazing! 457 00:26:20,228 --> 00:26:24,023 I'm going to experience what Timothy experienced." 458 00:26:26,067 --> 00:26:29,404 The Swiss prisons were very civilized. 459 00:26:31,072 --> 00:26:33,658 I asked them to bring me some magazines. 460 00:26:33,700 --> 00:26:37,078 I asked them to bring me some café au lait. 461 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:38,997 They were very obliging. 462 00:26:39,038 --> 00:26:41,499 It was sort of easy for me to say, 463 00:26:41,541 --> 00:26:45,586 "Come on, release me, somebody's going to pay this bill. 464 00:26:45,628 --> 00:26:47,672 Goldfinger paid the bill. 465 00:26:47,714 --> 00:26:50,383 In gold bullion. 466 00:26:50,425 --> 00:26:53,720 Went back to where Timothy lived... 467 00:26:55,763 --> 00:26:57,765 ran into his arms saying, 468 00:26:57,807 --> 00:26:59,976 "I just went to prison!" 469 00:27:01,394 --> 00:27:04,897 I was so naive, it was incredible. 470 00:27:04,939 --> 00:27:08,151 We decided that we would give 471 00:27:08,192 --> 00:27:10,319 Tommy a thousand dollars 472 00:27:10,361 --> 00:27:12,238 to go look for a boat. 473 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,490 A thousand dollars to get rid of him? 474 00:27:14,532 --> 00:27:16,409 Yeah, right. 475 00:27:18,703 --> 00:27:21,164 When did you first realize 476 00:27:21,205 --> 00:27:23,416 that you could control men? 477 00:27:24,959 --> 00:27:27,086 Oof. 478 00:27:27,128 --> 00:27:29,589 The first time a man 479 00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:33,259 kissed my neck when I was maybe... 480 00:27:33,301 --> 00:27:35,678 eleven, 12 years old. 481 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,307 I had this surge of power. 482 00:27:39,348 --> 00:27:42,060 There's definitely something 483 00:27:42,101 --> 00:27:44,896 I can control in this life. 484 00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:51,360 Leary was emanating. 485 00:27:51,402 --> 00:27:54,113 Sexy. Power. Charm. 486 00:27:55,615 --> 00:27:59,243 We went off on the road in the yellow Porsche, 487 00:27:59,285 --> 00:28:01,329 in the sparkling night 488 00:28:01,370 --> 00:28:04,916 with beautiful Swiss snow falling 489 00:28:04,957 --> 00:28:06,709 and LSD. 490 00:28:06,751 --> 00:28:09,545 I was with him in this bubble, 491 00:28:09,587 --> 00:28:13,132 in this amazing yellow spaceship. 492 00:28:14,509 --> 00:28:17,261 I was beginning to feel 493 00:28:17,303 --> 00:28:20,306 some sense that I had arrived. 494 00:28:22,517 --> 00:28:26,479 I was a bit surprised because we'd been together for a week... 495 00:28:27,438 --> 00:28:29,148 and we didn't have sex. 496 00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:31,067 In those days, I felt that 497 00:28:31,109 --> 00:28:34,737 if I was with a man and I didn't have sex with him 498 00:28:34,779 --> 00:28:36,823 pretty quickly, 499 00:28:36,864 --> 00:28:38,825 we weren't really bonded. 500 00:28:40,076 --> 00:28:42,495 But we got to the Palace Hotel... 501 00:28:45,123 --> 00:28:47,959 and we went to our room, 502 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,002 and then he said to me, 503 00:28:50,044 --> 00:28:52,255 "Sit on the bed." 504 00:28:52,296 --> 00:28:55,675 He had... necklaces 505 00:28:55,716 --> 00:28:59,011 and bracelets 506 00:28:59,053 --> 00:29:02,098 and sort of Indian jewelry. 507 00:29:02,140 --> 00:29:04,350 I instinctively got naked. 508 00:29:04,392 --> 00:29:07,186 He started putting the jewelry 509 00:29:07,228 --> 00:29:08,646 all over me. 510 00:29:08,688 --> 00:29:12,024 He told me that I was the Goddess Lakshmi. 511 00:29:14,235 --> 00:29:18,698 Then he took out a Life magazine. 512 00:29:18,739 --> 00:29:21,534 In that issue of Life magazine 513 00:29:21,576 --> 00:29:24,787 were the first images 514 00:29:24,829 --> 00:29:27,039 of inside the brain. 515 00:29:30,376 --> 00:29:31,711 And he said to me, 516 00:29:31,752 --> 00:29:35,339 "That's where I'm going to be 517 00:29:35,381 --> 00:29:37,675 making love to you." 518 00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:41,762 And indeed, 519 00:29:41,804 --> 00:29:43,890 it was quite a loving... 520 00:29:45,183 --> 00:29:46,809 session. 521 00:30:34,565 --> 00:30:37,235 So, anyway, 522 00:30:37,276 --> 00:30:40,279 we left Gstaad, and we were going to go to 523 00:30:40,321 --> 00:30:43,783 St. Moritz where I was born. 524 00:30:43,824 --> 00:30:45,618 My mother was there 525 00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:48,454 in January 1946, 526 00:30:48,496 --> 00:30:51,958 mainly to play bridge. 527 00:30:51,999 --> 00:30:54,919 Suddenly she started having pains. 528 00:30:54,961 --> 00:30:57,296 Apparently the village doctor told her 529 00:30:57,338 --> 00:30:59,257 she had appendicitis 530 00:30:59,298 --> 00:31:02,802 and gave her lots of painkillers 531 00:31:02,843 --> 00:31:04,303 and, as she said, 532 00:31:04,345 --> 00:31:08,474 "After about 40 hours of bothering me, 533 00:31:08,516 --> 00:31:10,351 you came out." 534 00:31:10,393 --> 00:31:12,770 And I weighed a kilo 50. 535 00:31:12,812 --> 00:31:16,190 Not much bigger than a Nathan's hotdog. 536 00:31:17,692 --> 00:31:20,403 So he took me to the very beginning. 537 00:31:22,196 --> 00:31:24,949 During all this time, 538 00:31:24,991 --> 00:31:26,492 Timothy-- 539 00:31:26,534 --> 00:31:29,829 you have to remember he's a psychologist. 540 00:31:29,870 --> 00:31:33,291 He made me tell my whole story. 541 00:31:35,376 --> 00:31:37,670 I don't have much of a memory 542 00:31:37,712 --> 00:31:39,672 till I'm about 543 00:31:39,714 --> 00:31:42,591 four years old. 544 00:31:42,633 --> 00:31:47,013 We lived in the most beautiful part of Paris 545 00:31:47,054 --> 00:31:49,015 called the Avenue Foch. 546 00:31:50,391 --> 00:31:52,685 Apparently I lied all the time. 547 00:31:54,478 --> 00:31:56,981 My nanny was very Catholic. 548 00:31:57,023 --> 00:31:59,108 Nanny decided with Mommy that 549 00:31:59,150 --> 00:32:01,360 I should swear before the Cross 550 00:32:01,402 --> 00:32:03,529 that I was never going to lie again. 551 00:32:03,571 --> 00:32:05,823 Well, wow! 552 00:32:05,865 --> 00:32:08,326 I was wrong. 553 00:32:08,367 --> 00:32:10,244 I betrayed Jesus. 554 00:32:14,248 --> 00:32:16,584 Every summer, 555 00:32:16,625 --> 00:32:18,878 I would be taken to stay 556 00:32:18,919 --> 00:32:21,213 at this villa 557 00:32:21,255 --> 00:32:23,424 in the south of France, 558 00:32:23,466 --> 00:32:26,010 the Villa Leonina. 559 00:32:26,052 --> 00:32:27,887 My step-grandfather, 560 00:32:27,928 --> 00:32:30,765 Arpád Plesch, 561 00:32:30,806 --> 00:32:34,935 was what they called an international financier. 562 00:32:34,977 --> 00:32:37,813 He had this huge, 563 00:32:37,855 --> 00:32:39,857 white villa 564 00:32:39,899 --> 00:32:42,318 overlooking the Mediterranean. 565 00:32:45,112 --> 00:32:49,325 He had 70 servants, 566 00:32:49,367 --> 00:32:51,744 twelve of which were gardeners. 567 00:32:51,786 --> 00:32:55,039 He had a head gardener. 568 00:32:55,081 --> 00:32:59,085 And it was a garden with plants from all over the world. 569 00:32:59,126 --> 00:33:01,170 And my grandfather flew in 570 00:33:01,212 --> 00:33:04,090 the most extraordinary birds. 571 00:33:04,131 --> 00:33:06,759 It was called the Exotic Garden. 572 00:33:09,804 --> 00:33:12,098 I used to take my little friend, Rhoda, 573 00:33:12,139 --> 00:33:15,601 to go and play with the head gardener. 574 00:33:15,643 --> 00:33:17,645 One day my grandfather 575 00:33:17,686 --> 00:33:21,107 took me aside and he said, 576 00:33:21,148 --> 00:33:23,943 "Rhoda told her nanny 577 00:33:23,984 --> 00:33:26,112 that the head gardener touched her." 578 00:33:26,153 --> 00:33:27,947 He said to me, 579 00:33:27,988 --> 00:33:31,659 "But all little girls are Messalinas, 580 00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:33,828 and they try to seduce." 581 00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:36,288 That afternoon, 582 00:33:36,330 --> 00:33:38,874 I was taken to the gendarmes. 583 00:33:38,916 --> 00:33:41,085 Two gendarmes there 584 00:33:41,127 --> 00:33:42,962 kept asking me 585 00:33:43,003 --> 00:33:46,090 if the head gardener had touched my pee-pee. 586 00:33:47,341 --> 00:33:50,970 I said, "No. No." 587 00:33:51,011 --> 00:33:53,055 It lasted for what was 588 00:33:53,097 --> 00:33:55,307 a very long time for me. 589 00:33:57,810 --> 00:33:59,645 In the end, 590 00:34:01,522 --> 00:34:03,649 I told them that he did. 591 00:34:05,484 --> 00:34:08,070 But I know that I didn't know, 592 00:34:08,112 --> 00:34:10,156 I just wanted to please them. 593 00:34:10,197 --> 00:34:13,492 So they brought him in, in handcuffs, 594 00:34:13,534 --> 00:34:17,329 for what the French call "The Confrontation." 595 00:34:17,371 --> 00:34:20,166 They said repeat that in front of him. 596 00:34:20,207 --> 00:34:22,543 I said, "He touched me." 597 00:34:24,837 --> 00:34:26,630 And they took him to prison. 598 00:34:30,676 --> 00:34:32,511 My mother had 599 00:34:32,553 --> 00:34:34,805 this very handsome chauffeur. 600 00:34:34,847 --> 00:34:36,891 I don't think the chauffeur 601 00:34:36,932 --> 00:34:39,351 was automatically the lover. 602 00:34:39,393 --> 00:34:41,437 I think my mother preferred 603 00:34:41,479 --> 00:34:44,023 ambassadors and commodores 604 00:34:44,064 --> 00:34:46,108 and commanders. 605 00:34:47,610 --> 00:34:52,031 She bragged she made love with Mussolini. 606 00:34:52,072 --> 00:34:54,200 She had hired this Spanish chauffeur. 607 00:34:54,241 --> 00:34:56,535 His name was Jesus. 608 00:34:56,577 --> 00:34:58,537 She would have none of that. 609 00:34:58,579 --> 00:35:01,123 She named him Ivan. 610 00:35:01,165 --> 00:35:04,210 She wasn't going to go around calling Jesus. 611 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,507 In those days, in Paris, 612 00:35:09,548 --> 00:35:12,801 it was very fashionable to have cocktail parties. 613 00:35:12,843 --> 00:35:16,013 Six o'clock, my mother was gone. 614 00:35:16,055 --> 00:35:21,227 She had decorated my bedroom like it was a farm. 615 00:35:21,268 --> 00:35:23,979 My bed was a wheelbarrow. 616 00:35:24,939 --> 00:35:27,858 My cupboard was a barn. 617 00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:29,944 One night, 618 00:35:29,985 --> 00:35:33,239 when Mummy had gone out to a cocktail party, 619 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,699 the servants were up in their rooms. 620 00:35:35,741 --> 00:35:37,785 Ivan came to my room. 621 00:35:37,826 --> 00:35:40,996 He started putting his hands 622 00:35:41,038 --> 00:35:42,957 under my pajama, 623 00:35:42,998 --> 00:35:45,376 under the top, 624 00:35:45,417 --> 00:35:47,002 under the bottom. 625 00:35:47,044 --> 00:35:50,589 I tried to concentrate on the pigeons... 626 00:35:52,174 --> 00:35:54,093 on the window. 627 00:35:54,134 --> 00:35:58,180 They were a lot of pigeons that would come 628 00:35:58,222 --> 00:36:00,057 to the window. 629 00:36:00,099 --> 00:36:02,017 I had the feeling 630 00:36:02,059 --> 00:36:03,686 there was something that was... 631 00:36:05,563 --> 00:36:07,189 extremely, 632 00:36:07,231 --> 00:36:09,441 extremely wrong. 633 00:36:15,656 --> 00:36:18,200 And at the same time, 634 00:36:23,163 --> 00:36:25,624 I-I felt a sensation 635 00:36:29,795 --> 00:36:32,381 that was not altogether... 636 00:36:37,177 --> 00:36:39,138 disagreeable. 637 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,894 And I want to say this. 638 00:36:45,936 --> 00:36:50,357 The fact that there was a slight sensation of... 639 00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:57,531 of being seen, 640 00:36:57,573 --> 00:36:59,450 of being wanted... 641 00:37:01,118 --> 00:37:02,995 um... 642 00:37:04,997 --> 00:37:06,790 it created 643 00:37:07,958 --> 00:37:12,171 enormous confusion... for me. 644 00:37:12,212 --> 00:37:13,672 The guilt. 645 00:37:14,882 --> 00:37:16,675 Did you tell your mother? 646 00:37:17,885 --> 00:37:18,844 Oh, yeah. 647 00:37:18,886 --> 00:37:21,180 She said, um... 648 00:37:22,306 --> 00:37:25,351 "Good chauffeurs are hard to find." 649 00:37:28,896 --> 00:37:31,273 Well, first she said I was lying. 650 00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:34,735 And then she said... 651 00:37:36,195 --> 00:37:39,281 "Good chauffeurs are hard to find." 652 00:37:39,323 --> 00:37:44,036 You have to know something because we're talking about 653 00:37:44,078 --> 00:37:49,083 what motivated me to look for Timothy Leary. 654 00:37:49,124 --> 00:37:52,002 I feel all of this is part of it. 655 00:37:52,044 --> 00:37:55,839 He was one of the foremost psychologists 656 00:37:55,881 --> 00:37:57,383 of our time. 657 00:37:58,801 --> 00:38:00,803 He sensed that 658 00:38:00,844 --> 00:38:03,722 psychedelics could be medicines... 659 00:38:05,182 --> 00:38:08,686 that they could cure trauma 660 00:38:08,727 --> 00:38:10,729 and PTSD. 661 00:38:10,771 --> 00:38:13,023 This trajectory of my childhood, 662 00:38:13,065 --> 00:38:16,568 it led me to find him. 663 00:38:43,303 --> 00:38:46,682 So then we went off to visit a friend of mine 664 00:38:46,724 --> 00:38:49,059 who had a beautiful chalet. 665 00:38:49,101 --> 00:38:51,937 You know the Opel cars? 666 00:38:53,731 --> 00:38:56,400 She was the von Opel heir. 667 00:38:56,442 --> 00:38:58,110 She gave a party. 668 00:38:59,611 --> 00:39:02,614 Andy Warhol and his whole crew showed up. 669 00:39:04,783 --> 00:39:07,369 And Timothy said, 670 00:39:07,411 --> 00:39:11,790 "You and I are the two most intelligent men in America." 671 00:39:11,832 --> 00:39:13,417 He turned to me and he said, 672 00:39:13,459 --> 00:39:15,627 "And she is the most intelligent 673 00:39:15,669 --> 00:39:18,005 woman in the world." 674 00:39:19,673 --> 00:39:22,634 Andy brought with him a whole pile 675 00:39:22,676 --> 00:39:26,138 of 45 rpm records 676 00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:27,765 from the '50s. 677 00:39:29,141 --> 00:39:31,310 And he insisted that we dance. 678 00:39:31,351 --> 00:39:34,646 I love you, I love you, I love you 679 00:39:34,688 --> 00:39:37,316 And where you go I'll follow, I'll follow, I'll follow 680 00:39:37,357 --> 00:39:41,820 You'll always be my true love, my true love, my true love 681 00:39:41,862 --> 00:39:46,658 From now until forever, forever, forever 682 00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:48,118 I will follow you 683 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,828 The next day he told me, 684 00:39:49,870 --> 00:39:53,207 "We're going to drive off to Vienna, 685 00:39:53,248 --> 00:39:56,043 and I'm going to do a film 686 00:39:56,084 --> 00:40:02,591 that will say that I'm completely against drugs." 687 00:40:02,633 --> 00:40:06,386 He felt that the man who was the prime minister 688 00:40:06,428 --> 00:40:09,848 of Austria was going to give him asylum. 689 00:40:11,767 --> 00:40:16,188 His asylum in Switzerland was not safe anymore. 690 00:40:18,732 --> 00:40:20,984 At what point did he become 691 00:40:21,026 --> 00:40:23,987 the most dangerous man in America? 692 00:40:24,029 --> 00:40:27,199 I think that was one of Nixon's slogans. 693 00:40:29,243 --> 00:40:33,038 America's public enemy number one in the United States 694 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,208 is drug abuse. 695 00:40:36,250 --> 00:40:38,377 In order to fight and defeat this enemy, 696 00:40:38,418 --> 00:40:41,463 it is necessary to wage a new, 697 00:40:41,505 --> 00:40:44,132 all-out offensive. 698 00:40:44,174 --> 00:40:47,261 It gets tense when you're a major outlaw. 699 00:40:49,429 --> 00:40:51,890 We got to Vienna, and what they wanted was 700 00:40:51,932 --> 00:40:56,061 for him to say that drugs were great. 701 00:40:56,103 --> 00:40:59,606 He wasn't very pleased to be doing that. 702 00:41:03,819 --> 00:41:06,613 Also, I have to tell you, 703 00:41:06,655 --> 00:41:09,241 that at that time 704 00:41:09,283 --> 00:41:12,870 I became completely orange, 705 00:41:12,911 --> 00:41:15,247 like a sunflower. 706 00:41:15,289 --> 00:41:20,419 He suggested we go to the university hospital, 707 00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:22,921 and there were maybe 200 students there. 708 00:41:22,963 --> 00:41:26,717 I threw off my coat and I lifted my sleeves and I said, 709 00:41:26,758 --> 00:41:30,220 "Doctor, you have something more important to do. 710 00:41:30,262 --> 00:41:35,100 You have a patient here who has a terrible illness." 711 00:41:35,142 --> 00:41:38,186 In the book, you said you were naked! 712 00:41:38,228 --> 00:41:41,231 Well... maybe I was. 713 00:41:44,484 --> 00:41:46,945 And how did the students react? 714 00:41:46,987 --> 00:41:50,574 Oh, there was a roar. Everybody adored it. 715 00:41:50,616 --> 00:41:54,286 I don't know, if Timothy wasn't in love with me until that moment, 716 00:41:54,328 --> 00:41:57,789 it totally busted his heart open. 717 00:42:00,667 --> 00:42:04,296 Timothy's daughter 718 00:42:04,338 --> 00:42:07,132 had come back from India. 719 00:42:07,174 --> 00:42:10,802 She had brought water from the Ganges. 720 00:42:10,844 --> 00:42:14,139 I thought it would be very gracious on my part 721 00:42:14,181 --> 00:42:16,141 to drink that bottle of water. 722 00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:19,770 "This is going to be your stepdaughter, 723 00:42:19,811 --> 00:42:22,648 and she's the same age you are, 724 00:42:22,689 --> 00:42:26,401 and she hands you a bottle of water from the Ganges. 725 00:42:27,527 --> 00:42:29,196 So I drank it up. 726 00:42:29,237 --> 00:42:31,657 I always thought that it was probably that water 727 00:42:31,698 --> 00:42:34,660 that gave me the... 728 00:42:34,701 --> 00:42:37,704 hepatitis. 729 00:42:37,746 --> 00:42:41,583 In the middle of all that, Dennis showed up 730 00:42:41,625 --> 00:42:43,502 and started saying... 731 00:42:44,878 --> 00:42:47,547 that we should go to Afghanistan. 732 00:42:48,882 --> 00:42:51,677 Timothy started explaining, 733 00:42:51,718 --> 00:42:54,346 "I know some people there 734 00:42:54,388 --> 00:42:56,848 who would give us a lot of money, 735 00:42:56,890 --> 00:43:00,435 and then you and I will go on to Ceylon, 736 00:43:00,477 --> 00:43:04,272 and we'll be poets on the beach 737 00:43:04,314 --> 00:43:07,109 and have babies." 738 00:43:07,150 --> 00:43:12,280 I thought that was the most marvelous, magical plan 739 00:43:12,322 --> 00:43:13,907 you could imagine. 740 00:43:13,949 --> 00:43:15,534 Then we found out that Dennis 741 00:43:15,575 --> 00:43:17,369 had driven the Porsche 742 00:43:17,411 --> 00:43:19,121 and totaled it. 743 00:43:22,582 --> 00:43:24,751 There was no way out 744 00:43:24,793 --> 00:43:27,963 but forward and up and in. 745 00:43:31,758 --> 00:43:33,760 We've left Vienna. 746 00:43:35,262 --> 00:43:37,556 We've left what I know. 747 00:43:37,597 --> 00:43:40,851 But we're going to make a stopover 748 00:43:40,892 --> 00:43:43,061 in Beirut. 749 00:43:47,274 --> 00:43:49,526 I'm really glad we're going to Beirut 750 00:43:49,568 --> 00:43:51,903 because I know the president 751 00:43:51,945 --> 00:43:55,240 'cause the president was in love with my mother. 752 00:43:55,282 --> 00:43:58,076 I knew we would be received very well. 753 00:43:58,118 --> 00:44:00,871 Also, I was a star 754 00:44:00,912 --> 00:44:04,082 on Lebanese TV 755 00:44:04,124 --> 00:44:08,462 when I was between the age of 14 and 15. 756 00:44:10,714 --> 00:44:13,258 I was watching television in Beirut, 757 00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:15,761 and I saw they had a quiz show. 758 00:44:15,802 --> 00:44:19,264 I applied for the quiz show and I was taken. 759 00:44:19,306 --> 00:44:21,933 - To be a contestant. -To be a contestant. 760 00:44:21,975 --> 00:44:23,393 And I loved it. 761 00:44:25,771 --> 00:44:29,775 You had to figure out who was lying. 762 00:44:29,816 --> 00:44:32,319 The man who was in charge of programs 763 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,779 came up to me and he said, 764 00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:35,822 "You're really good on television." 765 00:44:35,864 --> 00:44:37,616 Then I said to him, 766 00:44:37,657 --> 00:44:40,077 "Okay, well, why don't you produce a show with me? 767 00:44:40,118 --> 00:44:45,082 Let's have a show called Teenagers Club." 768 00:44:45,123 --> 00:44:47,417 From the book, you tell a story 769 00:44:47,459 --> 00:44:50,670 that almost all of the producers were in love with you. 770 00:44:50,712 --> 00:44:52,547 Well, they were. 771 00:44:52,589 --> 00:44:54,424 When I was 15, 772 00:44:54,466 --> 00:44:58,136 that's when I started having a lot of sex. 773 00:44:58,178 --> 00:44:59,805 Can't say I regret it. 774 00:45:05,769 --> 00:45:08,230 We stopped in Beirut. 775 00:45:08,271 --> 00:45:12,192 Something very extraordinary happened there. 776 00:45:13,485 --> 00:45:14,820 You have to remember, 777 00:45:14,861 --> 00:45:16,988 I didn't know Timothy for a long time. 778 00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:19,282 And I really didn't understand 779 00:45:19,324 --> 00:45:23,995 the significance of his life work until then. 780 00:45:24,037 --> 00:45:28,792 And we're at the son of the president's house. 781 00:45:28,834 --> 00:45:31,336 He saw all these books by Jung, 782 00:45:31,378 --> 00:45:34,548 and he turned to me and he said, 783 00:45:34,589 --> 00:45:37,050 "They're not going to understand my work 784 00:45:37,092 --> 00:45:40,345 until after I'm dead." 785 00:46:35,150 --> 00:46:38,820 He was telling me he was a fugitive, so I said to him, 786 00:46:38,862 --> 00:46:40,739 "Well, I have a really good idea. 787 00:46:40,780 --> 00:46:42,574 I think you should dye your hair." 788 00:46:44,993 --> 00:46:49,748 I mean, I didn't know I was up against the whole United States government. 789 00:46:52,584 --> 00:46:54,544 I chose a rock 'n' roll look, 790 00:46:54,586 --> 00:46:58,423 purple trousers and a silver shirt. 791 00:46:58,465 --> 00:47:00,508 I got some black dye. 792 00:47:00,550 --> 00:47:03,845 So I started putting the black dye on his hair, 793 00:47:03,887 --> 00:47:07,557 but then we made love 794 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,185 and we forgot about the black dye. 795 00:47:10,227 --> 00:47:13,772 And his hair turned out to be 796 00:47:13,813 --> 00:47:16,274 absolute purple. 797 00:47:16,316 --> 00:47:19,778 Here was my rock 'n' roll star professor. 798 00:47:20,987 --> 00:47:22,739 Here's a question: 799 00:47:22,781 --> 00:47:26,743 why does he have to travel in some kind of disguise? 800 00:47:26,785 --> 00:47:29,621 He knows that 801 00:47:29,663 --> 00:47:31,623 any place he stops, 802 00:47:31,665 --> 00:47:34,793 he might be arrested. 803 00:47:37,170 --> 00:47:39,464 The indictment 804 00:47:39,506 --> 00:47:41,800 had just come out. 805 00:47:44,594 --> 00:47:46,513 They charged him with everything 806 00:47:46,554 --> 00:47:49,015 that the Brotherhood of Eternal Love did. 807 00:47:54,646 --> 00:47:56,648 I am glad that in this administration 808 00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:59,442 we have increased the amount of money 809 00:47:59,484 --> 00:48:03,154 for handling the problem of dangerous drugs sevenfold. 810 00:48:03,196 --> 00:48:05,573 It will be $600 million this year. 811 00:48:05,615 --> 00:48:09,911 This is one area where we cannot have budget cuts. 812 00:48:09,953 --> 00:48:12,372 We must wage what I have called total war 813 00:48:12,414 --> 00:48:16,084 against public enemy number one in the United States, 814 00:48:16,126 --> 00:48:18,003 the problem of dangerous drugs. 815 00:48:23,842 --> 00:48:25,677 Here we are, 816 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,013 Timothy, Dennis and me, 817 00:48:28,054 --> 00:48:31,850 finally on the plane from Beirut 818 00:48:31,891 --> 00:48:33,518 to Kabul. 819 00:48:34,894 --> 00:48:37,814 We walk into the terminal. 820 00:48:37,856 --> 00:48:42,819 This man snaps both passports 821 00:48:42,861 --> 00:48:44,863 out of Timothy's hands. 822 00:48:44,904 --> 00:48:48,199 He throws a card at us, 823 00:48:48,241 --> 00:48:51,745 and he starts running out of the airport. 824 00:48:51,786 --> 00:48:53,663 "James Senner, 825 00:48:53,705 --> 00:48:58,501 second attaché at the Embassy of the United States." 826 00:49:01,963 --> 00:49:05,383 It was utter shock. 827 00:49:09,846 --> 00:49:12,891 We go up to the immigration people-- 828 00:49:12,932 --> 00:49:17,395 "You can't come into this country because you don't have any passports." 829 00:49:18,438 --> 00:49:20,815 I'm having a fear 830 00:49:20,857 --> 00:49:23,568 like I've never had before. 831 00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:25,612 Never had after. 832 00:49:27,947 --> 00:49:30,075 I put on the persona 833 00:49:30,116 --> 00:49:33,495 who threw her coat off 834 00:49:33,536 --> 00:49:36,414 in front of the professor in Vienna-- 835 00:49:39,250 --> 00:49:43,463 "If you separate me from Timothy Leary, I will die." 836 00:49:43,505 --> 00:49:45,590 I fainted on the floor 837 00:49:45,632 --> 00:49:48,843 to show him that I meant business. 838 00:49:48,885 --> 00:49:51,846 He said, "We're not going to separate you." 839 00:49:53,765 --> 00:49:57,519 Then we were taken to the Plaza Hotel... 840 00:49:58,812 --> 00:50:01,106 where they put foreigners 841 00:50:01,147 --> 00:50:03,441 in the rooms 842 00:50:03,483 --> 00:50:05,902 as prisoners. 843 00:50:05,944 --> 00:50:09,280 First time I asked to go to the toilet, 844 00:50:09,322 --> 00:50:12,617 they let Timothy come to the toilet with me. 845 00:50:12,659 --> 00:50:14,452 He got down on his knees. 846 00:50:14,494 --> 00:50:17,497 I don't know why it still just makes me cry today. 847 00:50:17,539 --> 00:50:21,167 It was such an act of tenderness in that moment 848 00:50:21,209 --> 00:50:25,672 that was frenetically terrifying, 849 00:50:25,713 --> 00:50:29,759 with Timothy getting down on his knees, 850 00:50:29,801 --> 00:50:31,886 carefully, minutiously 851 00:50:31,928 --> 00:50:33,555 cleaning the toilet. 852 00:50:33,596 --> 00:50:35,890 I felt protected 853 00:50:35,932 --> 00:50:38,351 in this moment of horror. 854 00:50:40,103 --> 00:50:43,481 These two Afghani secret service 855 00:50:43,523 --> 00:50:44,941 came into the room 856 00:50:44,983 --> 00:50:48,486 and they started interrogating Timothy, 857 00:50:48,528 --> 00:50:51,948 asking him who he was. 858 00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:54,117 Timothy said, 859 00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:58,329 "I am not going back to the United States without Joanna." 860 00:51:00,707 --> 00:51:02,667 And after about four days, 861 00:51:02,709 --> 00:51:06,254 they told us that we were being taken to the airport. 862 00:51:12,051 --> 00:51:13,845 We got into this Jeep 863 00:51:13,887 --> 00:51:17,348 with the soldiers all around with their machine guns, 864 00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:19,726 and we got to the airport. 865 00:51:20,768 --> 00:51:23,354 An Indian doctor came up to me, 866 00:51:23,396 --> 00:51:27,192 presented me with a paper that said, 867 00:51:27,233 --> 00:51:29,027 "If something happens to you, 868 00:51:29,068 --> 00:51:33,907 you will not hold the Afghani government responsible." 869 00:51:33,948 --> 00:51:36,284 I signed that paper, yeah. 870 00:51:41,206 --> 00:51:45,710 There was a plane of Ariana Airlines. 871 00:51:45,752 --> 00:51:47,712 We started going up the steps. 872 00:51:49,088 --> 00:51:51,174 And this man with a beard said, 873 00:51:51,216 --> 00:51:54,552 "Agent Terrence Burke, 874 00:51:54,594 --> 00:51:56,513 dope's the game. 875 00:51:56,554 --> 00:52:01,184 I've come to bring you back to the United States." 876 00:52:01,226 --> 00:52:05,313 And he handed Timothy an ID card. 877 00:52:05,355 --> 00:52:08,441 Profession: Philosopher. 878 00:52:10,777 --> 00:52:12,820 They put us in first class. 879 00:52:14,906 --> 00:52:16,866 Two agents in the seats behind us, 880 00:52:16,908 --> 00:52:19,744 two agents in the seat opposite us. 881 00:52:20,787 --> 00:52:22,914 I was so scared. 882 00:52:22,956 --> 00:52:24,415 The plane was going to do two stops-- 883 00:52:24,457 --> 00:52:25,750 Tehran, Paris. 884 00:52:25,792 --> 00:52:28,795 I obviously had paper to write with 885 00:52:28,836 --> 00:52:30,213 and I had a pen. 886 00:52:30,255 --> 00:52:33,258 And I wrote, "This is Dr. Timothy Leary. 887 00:52:33,299 --> 00:52:35,552 We are being kidnapped. 888 00:52:35,593 --> 00:52:38,263 Please give this to the first authority 889 00:52:38,304 --> 00:52:41,349 that you see in the airport in Paris." 890 00:52:41,391 --> 00:52:46,437 And I start dropping these little papers on people's laps. 891 00:52:48,147 --> 00:52:50,733 About 15 minutes later, 892 00:52:50,775 --> 00:52:52,443 a voice came on and they said, 893 00:52:52,485 --> 00:52:56,447 "This plane is no longer going to Paris. 894 00:52:56,489 --> 00:52:59,867 It's been diverted to Germany." 895 00:53:01,744 --> 00:53:05,290 I'm in the hands of people who can just deviate a plane. 896 00:53:06,958 --> 00:53:10,795 They took us into an empty waiting room. 897 00:53:11,796 --> 00:53:13,631 And the next day, 898 00:53:13,673 --> 00:53:17,510 they pushed us onto a plane to L.A. 899 00:53:17,552 --> 00:53:19,637 In first class. 900 00:53:21,014 --> 00:53:23,308 Well, on that flight to L.A. 901 00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:25,977 was this friend of my family, 902 00:53:26,019 --> 00:53:28,187 friend of my sister, 903 00:53:28,229 --> 00:53:31,774 this fabulous playboy who had actually been married 904 00:53:31,816 --> 00:53:34,152 to Brigitte Bardot. 905 00:53:36,362 --> 00:53:38,489 And we drank champagne. 906 00:53:41,826 --> 00:53:44,454 And we talked. And we played. 907 00:53:48,207 --> 00:53:50,335 Timothy made a pact with them, 908 00:53:50,376 --> 00:53:52,295 that they would take care of me. 909 00:53:52,337 --> 00:53:55,590 I didn't really know what was going to happen. 910 00:53:55,632 --> 00:53:57,467 And shortly before we landed, 911 00:53:57,508 --> 00:54:00,928 he handed me his address book. 912 00:54:00,970 --> 00:54:02,680 He wrote a paper saying: 913 00:54:02,722 --> 00:54:04,307 "The right to speak for me 914 00:54:04,349 --> 00:54:07,310 I hereby lovingly give to Joanna Harcourt-Smith, 915 00:54:07,352 --> 00:54:09,354 who is my love, my voice, 916 00:54:09,395 --> 00:54:11,356 my wisdom, my words, 917 00:54:11,397 --> 00:54:12,815 my output to the world 918 00:54:12,857 --> 00:54:15,151 for our love, et cetera, et cetera. 919 00:54:15,193 --> 00:54:18,863 Timothy Leary, over Montana, USA. 920 00:54:18,905 --> 00:54:21,616 January 18th, 1973." 921 00:54:27,038 --> 00:54:30,583 The day we were brought back was 922 00:54:30,625 --> 00:54:33,002 the week the Plumbers 923 00:54:33,044 --> 00:54:35,004 got sentenced. 924 00:54:35,046 --> 00:54:38,883 It was the week of Nixon's second inauguration. 925 00:54:40,802 --> 00:54:43,388 That was absolutely... 926 00:54:44,764 --> 00:54:46,891 calculated. 927 00:54:46,933 --> 00:54:49,268 The law and order President. 928 00:54:49,310 --> 00:54:51,270 They had been tracking us all along. 929 00:54:51,312 --> 00:54:54,565 I mean, there's absolutely no doubt about it. 930 00:54:56,275 --> 00:54:58,403 You see, this is why I think 931 00:54:58,444 --> 00:55:01,739 the CIA had a lot to do with this story. 932 00:55:02,949 --> 00:55:05,201 I saw the order 933 00:55:05,243 --> 00:55:07,745 from Ehrlichman that said, 934 00:55:07,787 --> 00:55:10,081 "Capture Dr. Timothy Leary 935 00:55:10,123 --> 00:55:14,043 and return him by any means." 936 00:55:14,085 --> 00:55:15,586 He's the best man in the world. 937 00:55:15,628 --> 00:55:17,547 He's beautiful. He's a philosopher. 938 00:55:17,588 --> 00:55:19,424 He's got all the answers. He's happy. 939 00:55:19,465 --> 00:55:21,718 He's happy, you understand? He's come back-- 940 00:55:21,759 --> 00:55:24,387 He's come back because he has got things to say 941 00:55:24,429 --> 00:55:26,597 because he's a beautiful man 942 00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:28,516 and because he's going to save the world 943 00:55:28,558 --> 00:55:31,269 and because he's full of love, and our love is perfect. 944 00:55:31,310 --> 00:55:34,063 Our love is the most beautiful love that's ever existed. 945 00:55:34,105 --> 00:55:35,940 I met him two months ago in Switzerland, 946 00:55:35,982 --> 00:55:38,484 and I haven't left him a second ever since. 947 00:55:38,526 --> 00:55:40,737 And I know nothing of his past-- 948 00:55:40,778 --> 00:55:44,073 I only know that I've lived with him day and night, 949 00:55:44,115 --> 00:55:45,908 and that he's a perfect man. 950 00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:48,035 Were you with him when he was arrested? 951 00:55:48,077 --> 00:55:50,246 -A perfect love. - Were you with him when he was arrested? 952 00:55:50,288 --> 00:55:52,290 Yes, sir. I was with him. 953 00:55:52,331 --> 00:55:54,542 It was totally illegal. 954 00:55:54,584 --> 00:55:58,379 One of the reasons I contacted you 955 00:55:58,421 --> 00:56:01,090 is I think there's still a mystery here. 956 00:56:04,594 --> 00:56:07,972 Same as in Wormwood. 957 00:56:08,014 --> 00:56:10,224 How we were manipulated. 958 00:56:11,350 --> 00:56:13,603 How I was used 959 00:56:13,644 --> 00:56:16,272 to lead Timothy Leary 960 00:56:16,314 --> 00:56:18,691 back into custody. 961 00:56:20,610 --> 00:56:22,737 And the fact that 962 00:56:22,779 --> 00:56:25,573 I don't know these things. 963 00:56:25,615 --> 00:56:29,160 I was told by Dennis that Timothy met 964 00:56:29,202 --> 00:56:31,829 with this particular CIA agent 965 00:56:31,871 --> 00:56:34,874 from time to time in Switzerland. 966 00:56:36,209 --> 00:56:38,544 I don't know what that means. 967 00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:41,923 I'm intrigued by it, 968 00:56:41,964 --> 00:56:44,175 still, 40 years later. 969 00:56:47,929 --> 00:56:50,181 I'm not a conspiracy person, 970 00:56:50,223 --> 00:56:53,476 but it does involve my own life. 971 00:56:53,518 --> 00:56:57,730 There's another veil that has not been uncovered 972 00:56:57,772 --> 00:57:00,525 about what was going on there. 973 00:57:00,566 --> 00:57:03,736 If you could lift that veil, what do you think you'd see? 974 00:57:03,778 --> 00:57:06,489 The Timothy Leary story 975 00:57:06,531 --> 00:57:10,117 is a very big political story. 976 00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:13,371 A lot of people have been manipulated 977 00:57:13,412 --> 00:57:15,581 to manipulate history. 978 00:57:16,916 --> 00:57:20,795 And the more I understand this story, 979 00:57:20,837 --> 00:57:22,880 the more I understand 980 00:57:22,922 --> 00:57:26,050 that it's part of a puzzle 981 00:57:26,092 --> 00:57:29,512 that's being played out. 982 00:57:29,554 --> 00:57:32,139 The grandiosity of the people 983 00:57:32,181 --> 00:57:33,891 I grew up around 984 00:57:33,933 --> 00:57:35,726 was limitless. 985 00:57:35,768 --> 00:57:39,272 Using people as pawns 986 00:57:39,313 --> 00:57:41,858 was definitely their game. 987 00:57:45,695 --> 00:57:50,366 My step-grandfather Arpád Plesch 988 00:57:50,408 --> 00:57:53,411 was a very, very nasty character. 989 00:57:55,121 --> 00:57:58,875 He took money from the Jewish people 990 00:57:58,916 --> 00:58:00,376 that he knew in Germany, 991 00:58:00,418 --> 00:58:04,505 and he hid the money in Swiss numbered accounts, 992 00:58:04,547 --> 00:58:06,716 and then he denounced 993 00:58:06,757 --> 00:58:08,384 those people 994 00:58:08,426 --> 00:58:10,761 to the Hitler people. 995 00:58:10,803 --> 00:58:12,346 He was not a Jew, however? 996 00:58:12,388 --> 00:58:15,808 Oh, he was a Jew. Oh, yes, he was a Jew. 997 00:58:15,850 --> 00:58:19,270 I've seen the absolute depravity 998 00:58:19,312 --> 00:58:24,108 of the people who have the most money in this world. 999 00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:25,902 And I've seen 1000 00:58:25,943 --> 00:58:28,863 how there are no morals whatsoever. 1001 00:58:28,905 --> 00:58:30,031 None. 1002 00:58:30,072 --> 00:58:32,783 Money and power, 1003 00:58:32,825 --> 00:58:34,493 and that's it. 1004 00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:40,249 Arpád Plesch was married to both my mother 1005 00:58:40,291 --> 00:58:41,751 and my grandmother. 1006 00:58:43,461 --> 00:58:45,087 When my grandmother died, 1007 00:58:45,129 --> 00:58:48,215 I was taken into the garden 1008 00:58:48,257 --> 00:58:51,886 to see Grandpa marrying Mummy. 1009 00:58:53,012 --> 00:58:54,972 And that was all about money... 1010 00:58:56,891 --> 00:58:59,018 and incest. 1011 00:58:59,060 --> 00:59:03,147 Forgive me, but how was it that your grandmother died? 1012 00:59:03,189 --> 00:59:06,442 When my grandmother was dying, 1013 00:59:06,484 --> 00:59:09,528 he went to get a knife 1014 00:59:09,570 --> 00:59:13,032 and he plunged into her heart. 1015 00:59:13,074 --> 00:59:16,619 I guess my step-grandfather, stepfather, 1016 00:59:16,661 --> 00:59:20,289 considered that it was an act of love, 1017 00:59:20,331 --> 00:59:22,333 that he would make sure 1018 00:59:22,375 --> 00:59:25,252 that his wife was dead. 1019 00:59:25,294 --> 00:59:29,090 Your story seems like a tragedy out of ancient Greece. 1020 00:59:30,174 --> 00:59:31,968 Well, it's true, my story. 1021 00:59:32,009 --> 00:59:35,346 It's true. It's very strange. 1022 00:59:35,388 --> 00:59:37,682 It's absolutely true. 1023 01:00:11,507 --> 01:00:16,470 When we got brought back to the United States, 1024 01:00:16,512 --> 01:00:21,225 I had no idea who Timothy Leary was. 1025 01:00:21,267 --> 01:00:23,102 Guru, folk hero, 1026 01:00:23,144 --> 01:00:26,897 and political resistor. 1027 01:00:26,939 --> 01:00:30,860 Ten days after we got back, 1028 01:00:30,901 --> 01:00:36,198 I heard that Dennis had been captured. 1029 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,660 I went to see him at the county jail 1030 01:00:39,702 --> 01:00:41,037 because he was a link 1031 01:00:41,078 --> 01:00:44,123 with that incredible time in Europe. 1032 01:00:47,293 --> 01:00:51,380 Dennis said, "I'll be getting out in a few days. 1033 01:00:51,422 --> 01:00:53,007 I'll meet up with you. 1034 01:00:53,049 --> 01:00:55,342 I'll instruct you about the whole story-- 1035 01:00:55,384 --> 01:00:58,345 who are the villains, who are the good people." 1036 01:00:59,972 --> 01:01:02,349 All that was a setup. 1037 01:01:04,435 --> 01:01:06,979 Timothy had given me his address book 1038 01:01:07,021 --> 01:01:10,900 with every name you could imagine 1039 01:01:10,941 --> 01:01:13,944 and said, "Talk to these people and free me." 1040 01:01:16,697 --> 01:01:18,866 It was an amazing puzzle. 1041 01:01:20,993 --> 01:01:22,661 This is Folsom prison. 1042 01:01:22,703 --> 01:01:25,831 It holds at the present time 1,800 men. 1043 01:01:25,873 --> 01:01:27,958 One of them is Timothy Leary. 1044 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,003 He was brought here after four months in solitary confinement 1045 01:01:31,045 --> 01:01:34,340 at California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo. 1046 01:01:34,381 --> 01:01:37,051 I am Joanna Leary, and I'd like to see him 1047 01:01:37,093 --> 01:01:38,886 out of here as quick as possible. 1048 01:01:40,096 --> 01:01:42,389 I wrote him every day, 1049 01:01:42,431 --> 01:01:44,225 and he wrote me every day. 1050 01:01:46,811 --> 01:01:49,730 I coated stamps in acid. 1051 01:01:49,772 --> 01:01:51,774 He knew 1052 01:01:51,816 --> 01:01:53,484 what was on the stamp. 1053 01:01:53,526 --> 01:01:58,656 And then I put these tiny, little acid 1054 01:01:58,697 --> 01:02:00,407 in my belly button. 1055 01:02:00,449 --> 01:02:03,327 You see, I have an innie, 1056 01:02:03,369 --> 01:02:06,580 and I never knew how useful it would become. 1057 01:02:08,124 --> 01:02:10,334 We were allowed to embrace 1058 01:02:10,376 --> 01:02:13,921 in the beginning and at the end of the visit. 1059 01:02:17,091 --> 01:02:19,343 And I had taken mine 1060 01:02:19,385 --> 01:02:21,846 about ten minutes before. 1061 01:02:21,887 --> 01:02:23,222 When we were kissing, 1062 01:02:23,264 --> 01:02:26,684 I put my hand up towards his mouth 1063 01:02:26,725 --> 01:02:28,686 and then I put it in. 1064 01:02:28,727 --> 01:02:31,814 We were both... tripping 1065 01:02:31,856 --> 01:02:33,899 at Folsom prison. 1066 01:02:33,941 --> 01:02:36,318 It was orgasmic. 1067 01:02:43,033 --> 01:02:46,620 My mother came to Folsom prison 1068 01:02:46,662 --> 01:02:49,832 in her Chanel coat. 1069 01:02:49,874 --> 01:02:53,460 She's got her Nancy Reagan super-coiffed hair. 1070 01:02:53,502 --> 01:02:55,379 She's got her high heels. 1071 01:02:57,882 --> 01:03:00,134 And her very red nails. 1072 01:03:00,176 --> 01:03:01,719 She was fine. 1073 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,971 I mean, they frisked her. 1074 01:03:04,013 --> 01:03:05,347 They took her ID. 1075 01:03:05,389 --> 01:03:09,476 And we went down to the visiting room. 1076 01:03:09,518 --> 01:03:12,688 They greeted each other like they were 1077 01:03:12,730 --> 01:03:15,232 the oldest of friends. 1078 01:03:15,274 --> 01:03:18,444 Timothy got down on his knees 1079 01:03:18,485 --> 01:03:20,404 in Folsom Prison, 1080 01:03:20,446 --> 01:03:24,575 and he asked my mother for my hand. 1081 01:03:24,617 --> 01:03:28,120 She told him how crazy she thought I was. 1082 01:03:28,162 --> 01:03:29,872 I thought that there's my mother, 1083 01:03:29,914 --> 01:03:32,291 jealous of my lovers again. 1084 01:03:33,959 --> 01:03:38,088 Timothy looked quite like my father, 1085 01:03:38,130 --> 01:03:42,218 Lieutenant Commander Cecil Harcourt-Smith. 1086 01:03:43,219 --> 01:03:45,763 My mother was just 1087 01:03:45,804 --> 01:03:48,557 gaga about him. 1088 01:03:48,599 --> 01:03:50,768 Were you jealous of your mother? 1089 01:03:50,809 --> 01:03:53,771 At that moment, was I jealous of my mother? 1090 01:03:54,813 --> 01:03:56,273 Wow. 1091 01:03:56,315 --> 01:03:59,610 I probably was, terribly! 1092 01:03:59,652 --> 01:04:01,612 I was going to ask you the generic question, 1093 01:04:01,654 --> 01:04:04,448 What did you learn about sex from your mother? 1094 01:04:04,490 --> 01:04:07,284 She said that I had to be very careful 1095 01:04:07,326 --> 01:04:09,578 because when you have sex, 1096 01:04:09,620 --> 01:04:12,248 you could get syphilis. 1097 01:04:12,289 --> 01:04:16,627 Oh, she didn't tell me I could get pregnant! 1098 01:04:16,669 --> 01:04:18,629 I take it you didn't get syphilis, 1099 01:04:18,671 --> 01:04:19,964 but you did get pregnant. 1100 01:04:20,005 --> 01:04:21,298 Yeah. 1101 01:04:22,508 --> 01:04:23,926 A lot. 1102 01:04:25,052 --> 01:04:28,305 I had to go to her and say, 1103 01:04:28,347 --> 01:04:30,307 "I don't understand. 1104 01:04:30,349 --> 01:04:32,476 My tummy's getting bigger. 1105 01:04:32,518 --> 01:04:34,645 I'm feeling sick. 1106 01:04:34,687 --> 01:04:36,605 I don't know what's happening." 1107 01:04:36,647 --> 01:04:39,191 She took me to a doctor and they took blood, 1108 01:04:39,233 --> 01:04:42,319 and it turned out I was pregnant. 1109 01:04:42,361 --> 01:04:45,447 I was 15. There was absolutely no question 1110 01:04:45,489 --> 01:04:47,408 that I was going to have that child, 1111 01:04:47,449 --> 01:04:50,577 I mean, none whatsoever. 1112 01:04:50,619 --> 01:04:53,497 And then they took me in, and they took my baby. 1113 01:04:57,710 --> 01:05:00,504 I think I was never the same again. 1114 01:05:02,715 --> 01:05:04,925 So after that... 1115 01:05:08,345 --> 01:05:11,348 I was in full seduction mode. 1116 01:05:11,390 --> 01:05:16,186 I had to have eight men at a time to be content. 1117 01:05:16,228 --> 01:05:18,856 Now, I wasn't having sex with eight men, 1118 01:05:18,897 --> 01:05:23,527 but I had to have eight major admirers. 1119 01:05:23,569 --> 01:05:26,363 At night in my bed, I would count them. 1120 01:05:26,405 --> 01:05:29,825 Made me feel warm, made me feel safe. 1121 01:05:29,867 --> 01:05:31,535 Made me feel wanted. 1122 01:05:33,245 --> 01:05:34,872 This is Helen Koblin, 1123 01:05:34,913 --> 01:05:37,416 and with me is Joanna Harcourt-Smith, 1124 01:05:37,458 --> 01:05:40,711 Timothy Leary's woman. She's trying to help Timothy. 1125 01:05:40,753 --> 01:05:44,256 He's sitting in the solitary confinement cell 1126 01:05:44,298 --> 01:05:46,592 just sending out energy and love 1127 01:05:46,633 --> 01:05:49,762 to whoever wants to receive it. 1128 01:06:39,478 --> 01:06:42,731 I had a studio 1129 01:06:42,773 --> 01:06:44,983 under Coit Tower 1130 01:06:45,025 --> 01:06:47,403 in San Francisco. 1131 01:06:47,444 --> 01:06:49,613 Francis Ford Coppola 1132 01:06:49,655 --> 01:06:51,657 gave me an office 1133 01:06:51,698 --> 01:06:54,535 above the Little Fox Theater, 1134 01:06:54,576 --> 01:06:58,330 the Starseed Information Center. 1135 01:06:59,832 --> 01:07:03,168 We'd hatch these crazy projects 1136 01:07:03,210 --> 01:07:05,921 to get Timothy out of prison. 1137 01:07:07,923 --> 01:07:10,801 We'll get a helicopter. 1138 01:07:10,843 --> 01:07:14,638 I will be naked 1139 01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,765 with black gloves. 1140 01:07:16,807 --> 01:07:18,725 We'll have this huge 1141 01:07:18,767 --> 01:07:21,979 speakers blasting out 1142 01:07:22,020 --> 01:07:24,064 The Dark Side of the Moon. 1143 01:07:24,106 --> 01:07:26,817 It would make the guards 1144 01:07:26,859 --> 01:07:28,318 completely numb. 1145 01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,238 And so we'd pick Timothy out of the yard, 1146 01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,949 take him into the helicopter. 1147 01:07:33,991 --> 01:07:36,910 We'd go to the mountains nearby. 1148 01:07:36,952 --> 01:07:39,329 There would be a whole militia 1149 01:07:39,371 --> 01:07:41,665 that would surround us. 1150 01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:46,503 Also, the Starseed Information Center 1151 01:07:46,545 --> 01:07:48,839 is from where I published 1152 01:07:48,881 --> 01:07:51,049 five of Timothy's books. 1153 01:07:54,970 --> 01:07:59,975 We felt that as long as he could write books, 1154 01:08:00,017 --> 01:08:02,561 his mind would not be imprisoned. 1155 01:08:04,313 --> 01:08:07,566 He would send them to me in letter form. 1156 01:08:07,608 --> 01:08:09,109 "My darling wife, 1157 01:08:09,151 --> 01:08:10,986 I miss you more than life itself. 1158 01:08:11,028 --> 01:08:15,365 The seven circuits of the human brain are, 1159 01:08:15,407 --> 01:08:17,701 one, blah, blah, blah. Two." 1160 01:08:22,706 --> 01:08:24,291 When I was broke, 1161 01:08:24,333 --> 01:08:28,170 I would stand on Telegraph Avenue 1162 01:08:28,212 --> 01:08:30,005 and I'd sell my books. 1163 01:08:31,715 --> 01:08:34,218 Morning has broken 1164 01:08:34,259 --> 01:08:39,056 Like the first morning... 1165 01:08:39,097 --> 01:08:43,936 One day somebody introduced me to this man 1166 01:08:43,977 --> 01:08:46,104 we called Franklin, 1167 01:08:46,146 --> 01:08:50,234 because he always had a lot of hundred-dollar bills. 1168 01:08:50,275 --> 01:08:54,404 He made this acid that in those days was called 1169 01:08:54,446 --> 01:08:56,406 Clear Light. 1170 01:08:56,448 --> 01:08:58,992 He would give me these vials, 1171 01:08:59,034 --> 01:09:00,494 and I'd go around town, 1172 01:09:00,536 --> 01:09:03,080 and I'd give acid to everybody. 1173 01:09:03,121 --> 01:09:04,957 Like, I'd go to the bank, 1174 01:09:04,998 --> 01:09:06,833 and I would give them some acid. 1175 01:09:06,875 --> 01:09:08,544 And I kid you not, 1176 01:09:08,585 --> 01:09:10,879 they were not at the bank the following week. 1177 01:09:12,839 --> 01:09:17,594 One day, Franklin asked me if I'd take an acid trip with him. 1178 01:09:18,804 --> 01:09:21,515 And then he took me out to this 1179 01:09:21,557 --> 01:09:23,934 house on the beach. 1180 01:09:23,976 --> 01:09:25,936 All that was in the living room 1181 01:09:25,978 --> 01:09:28,605 was a king-sized bed... 1182 01:09:29,815 --> 01:09:34,361 with a huge American flag on it. 1183 01:09:34,403 --> 01:09:37,614 When the time came to take the acid... 1184 01:09:38,824 --> 01:09:42,411 I put it on my tongue. 1185 01:09:42,452 --> 01:09:45,581 He did the same thing, put it on my tongue. 1186 01:09:45,622 --> 01:09:47,332 He licked my tongue, 1187 01:09:47,374 --> 01:09:48,792 I licked his tongue. 1188 01:09:48,834 --> 01:09:54,172 I lay down on that American flag. 1189 01:09:54,214 --> 01:09:56,633 I was very, very, very freaked out. 1190 01:09:58,468 --> 01:10:00,429 Franklin was meditating. 1191 01:10:00,470 --> 01:10:04,725 He wasn't really into having sex, 1192 01:10:04,766 --> 01:10:06,977 which surprised me a lot. 1193 01:10:07,019 --> 01:10:10,188 But then I went out on the beach. 1194 01:10:10,230 --> 01:10:12,316 There was this bell... 1195 01:10:13,817 --> 01:10:16,528 ...going back and forth, 1196 01:10:16,570 --> 01:10:19,531 and a voice came on. 1197 01:10:19,573 --> 01:10:22,409 It was the voice of my mother. 1198 01:10:22,451 --> 01:10:25,829 She was telling me something that was really important. 1199 01:10:25,871 --> 01:10:27,873 She was saying, 1200 01:10:27,914 --> 01:10:31,918 "You're playing, you're acting, you're exaggerating." 1201 01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,338 In that moment I realized she was right, 1202 01:10:34,379 --> 01:10:36,757 that I was playing a role 1203 01:10:36,798 --> 01:10:38,925 'cause I was afraid. 1204 01:10:40,969 --> 01:10:43,180 After the trip, 1205 01:10:43,221 --> 01:10:45,015 I said to Franklin, 1206 01:10:45,057 --> 01:10:47,768 "Is there anything that you need?" 1207 01:10:47,809 --> 01:10:51,104 "Well, I really need seven pounds 1208 01:10:51,146 --> 01:10:52,689 of ergotamine 1209 01:10:52,731 --> 01:10:56,193 for my next LSD batch." 1210 01:10:56,234 --> 01:11:00,364 My diabolical mind went into action immediately-- 1211 01:11:00,405 --> 01:11:02,532 "Dr. Schwitzhund 1212 01:11:02,574 --> 01:11:05,661 definitely has ergotamine." 1213 01:11:05,702 --> 01:11:07,162 How did you know this? 1214 01:11:07,204 --> 01:11:10,666 Well, I didn't know this. I was lying. 1215 01:11:10,707 --> 01:11:12,876 I was lying! 1216 01:11:12,918 --> 01:11:15,587 He said, "Well, how much would it cost?" 1217 01:11:15,629 --> 01:11:17,923 "$10,000 a pound." 1218 01:11:17,964 --> 01:11:20,926 He said, "Fine, get it for me." 1219 01:11:20,967 --> 01:11:25,055 Dennis, the sorcerer's apprentice, 1220 01:11:25,097 --> 01:11:29,017 told me that the dope dealer trick is 1221 01:11:29,059 --> 01:11:31,436 to get two adjoining rooms, 1222 01:11:31,478 --> 01:11:35,232 and then you get a room three floors up. 1223 01:11:35,273 --> 01:11:38,944 You give them the key, 1224 01:11:38,985 --> 01:11:41,321 and then you tell them to go upstairs 1225 01:11:41,363 --> 01:11:43,240 and get the merchandise. 1226 01:11:43,281 --> 01:11:45,033 They'll come back to the room, 1227 01:11:45,075 --> 01:11:47,577 but you're already in the adjoining room. 1228 01:11:49,955 --> 01:11:52,416 I loved Franklin, 1229 01:11:52,457 --> 01:11:58,088 but I desperately needed the money to free Timothy. 1230 01:11:58,130 --> 01:12:01,675 I got a beautiful little Halliburton suitcase. 1231 01:12:01,717 --> 01:12:04,845 Timothy had given me this exquisite 1232 01:12:04,886 --> 01:12:08,598 gold tantric ring. 1233 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,268 I put all those things in the suitcase. 1234 01:12:13,353 --> 01:12:16,273 One fine day, 1235 01:12:16,314 --> 01:12:19,693 I made an appointment with him at this hotel on the wharf. 1236 01:12:22,154 --> 01:12:24,948 In the elevator I said to him, 1237 01:12:24,990 --> 01:12:28,160 "Shall we just go to that room and make love?" 1238 01:12:28,201 --> 01:12:31,121 Was this just to trick him or-- 1239 01:12:31,163 --> 01:12:35,625 No! It was the opposite of tricking him. 1240 01:12:35,667 --> 01:12:38,795 If we'd made love, I probably wouldn't have tricked him. 1241 01:12:38,837 --> 01:12:41,798 And who was waiting in the room next door? 1242 01:12:43,091 --> 01:12:44,760 Dennis. 1243 01:12:46,303 --> 01:12:48,221 Machiavellian Dennis. 1244 01:12:50,474 --> 01:12:55,437 And you would have made love to Franklin with Dennis listening? 1245 01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,315 Franklin was more important to me than Dennis. 1246 01:13:00,650 --> 01:13:03,487 So we went to the room, 1247 01:13:03,528 --> 01:13:06,490 and he gave me this little accordion folder 1248 01:13:06,531 --> 01:13:08,617 with $10,000 1249 01:13:08,658 --> 01:13:10,994 in each space. 1250 01:13:11,036 --> 01:13:12,412 And then after a while, 1251 01:13:12,454 --> 01:13:13,955 my lookout told me 1252 01:13:13,997 --> 01:13:17,000 that he had left the building. 1253 01:13:17,042 --> 01:13:20,462 It was late at night by then. 1254 01:13:20,504 --> 01:13:22,839 And I had somebody drive me 1255 01:13:22,881 --> 01:13:24,841 to Mill Valley 1256 01:13:24,883 --> 01:13:26,510 to this lawyer, 1257 01:13:26,551 --> 01:13:28,678 and I knocked like crazy. 1258 01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,431 When he opened up, he was in his robe and... 1259 01:13:33,767 --> 01:13:36,186 I sat at the kitchen table with him. 1260 01:13:39,731 --> 01:13:42,317 And I threw the money on the table. 1261 01:13:43,652 --> 01:13:45,737 "Can you get him out now?" 1262 01:13:47,364 --> 01:13:49,950 And he said to me, "No, 1263 01:13:49,991 --> 01:13:53,036 it's not a question of money. 1264 01:13:53,078 --> 01:13:55,372 He's a political prisoner." 1265 01:13:57,582 --> 01:13:59,876 Most of the men that I model myself after 1266 01:13:59,918 --> 01:14:02,712 have been lucky if they got away with, uh, 1267 01:14:02,754 --> 01:14:04,881 just being in prison 1268 01:14:04,923 --> 01:14:07,384 for their ideas. 1269 01:15:01,104 --> 01:15:04,065 Dennis is insinuating himself more 1270 01:15:04,107 --> 01:15:05,817 and more into all of this, no? 1271 01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:09,946 I have pain about it, but... 1272 01:15:09,988 --> 01:15:12,782 may that be present with us as well. 1273 01:15:12,824 --> 01:15:15,118 I was taking a lot of cocaine. 1274 01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:16,953 Dennis was providing it. 1275 01:15:16,995 --> 01:15:19,623 I was smoking a lot of cannabis. 1276 01:15:19,664 --> 01:15:22,292 I was drinking a lot of alcohol. 1277 01:15:22,334 --> 01:15:23,960 On some days I would just 1278 01:15:24,002 --> 01:15:26,630 lie in my-- in my studio, 1279 01:15:26,671 --> 01:15:29,424 watch the Watergate hearings, 1280 01:15:29,466 --> 01:15:33,345 and hope that something might change. 1281 01:15:33,386 --> 01:15:35,430 But as the case progressed, it became obvious 1282 01:15:35,472 --> 01:15:36,932 that there were higher-ups, 1283 01:15:36,973 --> 01:15:39,142 men who ordered the bugging operations 1284 01:15:39,184 --> 01:15:40,727 and who paid for it. 1285 01:15:40,769 --> 01:15:42,228 And now it takes a scorecard 1286 01:15:42,270 --> 01:15:44,606 to keep track of those connected with it 1287 01:15:44,648 --> 01:15:47,442 in one way or another. 1288 01:15:47,484 --> 01:15:49,611 Timothy always said that 1289 01:15:49,653 --> 01:15:51,529 his imprisonment 1290 01:15:51,571 --> 01:15:54,449 would be harder for me than for him. 1291 01:15:54,491 --> 01:15:58,411 Needless for me to say to you that, um, 1292 01:15:58,453 --> 01:16:00,288 I was very sensual. 1293 01:16:00,330 --> 01:16:02,540 I was 27 years old. 1294 01:16:03,667 --> 01:16:06,461 I had shared with Timothy 1295 01:16:06,503 --> 01:16:09,506 that I was going to have sex. 1296 01:16:09,547 --> 01:16:13,259 It was the time of free love, 1297 01:16:13,301 --> 01:16:16,221 and he was the bishop of free love. 1298 01:16:18,223 --> 01:16:21,226 I imagined myself as Scheherazade. 1299 01:16:23,019 --> 01:16:25,480 I wouldn't tell him who it was, 1300 01:16:25,522 --> 01:16:27,190 but I'd describe 1301 01:16:27,232 --> 01:16:31,111 how I'd made love with another person. 1302 01:16:31,152 --> 01:16:33,321 One time it might be a woman, 1303 01:16:33,363 --> 01:16:35,573 one time it was a hermaphrodite. 1304 01:16:37,242 --> 01:16:40,286 Dennis was one of the people I had sex with. 1305 01:16:42,664 --> 01:16:45,333 After a while, he said to me that 1306 01:16:45,375 --> 01:16:49,170 he was working as an informant for the government. 1307 01:16:49,212 --> 01:16:52,048 Timothy should get out that way 1308 01:16:52,090 --> 01:16:56,302 because he won't get out any other way. 1309 01:16:56,344 --> 01:17:00,223 I passed on that information to him a couple of times. 1310 01:17:00,265 --> 01:17:02,642 I had no idea of the implications. 1311 01:17:02,684 --> 01:17:04,144 Really? 1312 01:17:04,185 --> 01:17:06,688 None! 1313 01:17:06,730 --> 01:17:10,567 You have to understand how incredibly naive I was. 1314 01:17:12,152 --> 01:17:14,863 I always wondered why 1315 01:17:14,904 --> 01:17:19,325 one Thursday I went to see him at Vacaville 1316 01:17:19,367 --> 01:17:21,244 and he said, 1317 01:17:21,286 --> 01:17:25,081 "Send a telegram to the FBI 1318 01:17:25,123 --> 01:17:28,043 and tell them I'm ready to cooperate." 1319 01:17:28,084 --> 01:17:30,045 People have accused me 1320 01:17:30,086 --> 01:17:32,756 of being the one who made him do it. 1321 01:17:34,132 --> 01:17:36,676 That's impossible. 1322 01:17:36,718 --> 01:17:39,721 That's the story of The Blue Angel, 1323 01:17:39,763 --> 01:17:42,223 the sexy singer 1324 01:17:42,265 --> 01:17:45,852 who perverts the professor. 1325 01:17:45,894 --> 01:17:47,479 No! 1326 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,440 That's ridiculous! 1327 01:17:53,026 --> 01:17:54,903 I was like Alice in Wonderland. 1328 01:17:54,944 --> 01:17:58,239 I didn't have any point of reference. 1329 01:17:59,365 --> 01:18:01,701 I didn't realize 1330 01:18:01,743 --> 01:18:04,329 how alien I was. 1331 01:18:06,331 --> 01:18:08,625 To Allen Ginsberg, 1332 01:18:08,666 --> 01:18:11,169 I was not fit 1333 01:18:11,211 --> 01:18:13,630 to be the next acid queen. 1334 01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,928 By then I was living in Mill Valley. 1335 01:18:22,764 --> 01:18:25,558 I sent this telegram 1336 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,894 to the FBI: 1337 01:18:27,936 --> 01:18:31,481 "Timothy ready to cooperate with government." 1338 01:18:31,523 --> 01:18:34,317 Couple of days after that, 1339 01:18:34,359 --> 01:18:37,737 FBI agents came from Chicago 1340 01:18:37,779 --> 01:18:41,908 because that's where they were searching for the Weathermen. 1341 01:18:41,950 --> 01:18:47,122 And they knew that Timothy was connected to the Weathermen. 1342 01:18:47,163 --> 01:18:50,667 They had helped him escape from prison. 1343 01:18:51,835 --> 01:18:53,837 They brought me in. 1344 01:18:53,878 --> 01:18:56,047 He asked me if I'd be willing 1345 01:18:56,089 --> 01:19:00,301 to work for his release. 1346 01:19:00,343 --> 01:19:04,973 There was no limits to my stand-by-your-man. 1347 01:19:05,014 --> 01:19:08,268 No limits. 1348 01:19:08,309 --> 01:19:11,312 By then we had been talking of having a baby. 1349 01:19:11,354 --> 01:19:13,940 We had named the baby. 1350 01:19:13,982 --> 01:19:15,358 What was the name? 1351 01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:16,651 It was going to be a girl, 1352 01:19:16,693 --> 01:19:19,195 and her name was going to be Chrysalis. 1353 01:19:20,822 --> 01:19:23,658 No abbreviation to Chrys. 1354 01:19:23,700 --> 01:19:25,285 Chrysalis. 1355 01:19:25,326 --> 01:19:27,162 You have to know that after 1356 01:19:27,203 --> 01:19:29,455 visiting your man in prison 1357 01:19:29,497 --> 01:19:32,834 and seeing how all appeals were refused. 1358 01:19:32,876 --> 01:19:35,795 Lawyers didn't know how to get him out. 1359 01:19:38,423 --> 01:19:41,718 I would do anything, anything at all. 1360 01:19:43,219 --> 01:19:45,138 The DEA had me 1361 01:19:45,180 --> 01:19:48,516 completely at their mercy. 1362 01:19:48,558 --> 01:19:51,895 They used me as Mata Hari. 1363 01:19:51,936 --> 01:19:53,855 They used me to go after 1364 01:19:53,897 --> 01:19:56,149 the counterculture lawyers. 1365 01:19:56,191 --> 01:19:59,903 Call being made by SR14X037 to George Chula's office. 1366 01:20:18,254 --> 01:20:19,797 So, I had dinner with him. 1367 01:20:19,839 --> 01:20:23,051 I asked him if the next time we got together 1368 01:20:23,092 --> 01:20:25,428 he could bring me a gram of cocaine. 1369 01:20:26,638 --> 01:20:29,724 And when we had dinner, I was wired. 1370 01:20:29,766 --> 01:20:32,518 They put a box on my leg, 1371 01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,939 chose very sexy clothes for me, 1372 01:20:35,980 --> 01:20:39,484 and they recorded the conversation. 1373 01:20:41,319 --> 01:20:43,947 I behaved very femme fatale, 1374 01:20:45,114 --> 01:20:47,533 extremely flirtatious, 1375 01:20:47,575 --> 01:20:48,952 seductive, 1376 01:20:48,993 --> 01:20:52,080 and dangerous. 1377 01:20:52,121 --> 01:20:55,166 You can have me, but you can't keep me. 1378 01:21:35,707 --> 01:21:40,503 And it was kind of the same thing as with Franklin. 1379 01:21:40,545 --> 01:21:44,841 They got two rooms at the Disneyland Hotel. 1380 01:21:44,882 --> 01:21:47,010 In one room, they had all their machines 1381 01:21:47,051 --> 01:21:48,928 and setups and all of that. 1382 01:21:48,970 --> 01:21:53,266 I was supposed to receive Chula in the other room. 1383 01:21:53,308 --> 01:21:55,268 He said to me on the phone 1384 01:21:55,310 --> 01:21:58,313 he stopped somewhere, 1385 01:21:58,354 --> 01:22:00,690 and a lifeguard on the beach 1386 01:22:00,732 --> 01:22:03,860 said to him that he had a walkie-talkie... 1387 01:22:04,902 --> 01:22:06,863 and there were federal agents, 1388 01:22:06,904 --> 01:22:09,490 and they were having an incredible conversation 1389 01:22:09,532 --> 01:22:11,743 about how they were going to bust him. 1390 01:22:13,786 --> 01:22:17,081 And this lifeguard on the beach 1391 01:22:17,123 --> 01:22:20,209 had picked up the signal, 1392 01:22:20,251 --> 01:22:22,211 and they were overjubilant 1393 01:22:22,253 --> 01:22:26,341 that they were going to arrest Timothy Leary's lawyer. 1394 01:22:26,382 --> 01:22:28,843 So in the end, he never came. 1395 01:22:30,636 --> 01:22:34,265 But on the night that we were at the restaurant, 1396 01:22:34,307 --> 01:22:37,602 he had given me a little cocaine, 1397 01:22:37,643 --> 01:22:40,938 and I turned that over to the agents. 1398 01:22:40,980 --> 01:22:43,399 The main agent's name was 1399 01:22:43,441 --> 01:22:46,694 Donald E. Strange. 1400 01:22:46,736 --> 01:22:49,072 This is Dr. Timothy Leary. 1401 01:22:49,113 --> 01:22:50,323 How are you? 1402 01:22:50,365 --> 01:22:51,866 Hello, Don. 1403 01:22:51,908 --> 01:22:54,243 We're going to talk a little bit about, uh, 1404 01:22:54,285 --> 01:22:57,830 Dr. Leary and the things he's been doing, uh, 1405 01:22:57,872 --> 01:23:00,041 since 1960. 1406 01:23:00,083 --> 01:23:02,668 And just how he-- 1407 01:23:02,710 --> 01:23:05,338 he came to the Drug Enforcement Administration. 1408 01:23:05,380 --> 01:23:08,091 Well, I had been away from the United States 1409 01:23:08,132 --> 01:23:10,343 for about two-and-a-half years. 1410 01:23:10,385 --> 01:23:12,428 And when the plane landed 1411 01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:14,263 on the Los Angeles runway, 1412 01:23:14,305 --> 01:23:16,265 the first person I met was Don Strange, 1413 01:23:16,307 --> 01:23:19,102 who welcomed me with handcuffs. 1414 01:23:19,143 --> 01:23:20,561 I felt basically relieved 1415 01:23:20,603 --> 01:23:21,938 uh, to be back. 1416 01:23:21,979 --> 01:23:24,148 I felt that the work I had to do 1417 01:23:24,190 --> 01:23:27,568 and the process of reconciliation 1418 01:23:27,610 --> 01:23:30,613 and of dialogue of constructive activity 1419 01:23:30,655 --> 01:23:32,115 that had to be done 1420 01:23:32,156 --> 01:23:33,783 was going to take place here. 1421 01:23:38,663 --> 01:23:40,498 They moved Timothy 1422 01:23:40,540 --> 01:23:45,294 to the rural prison 1423 01:23:45,336 --> 01:23:47,839 near Sacramento. 1424 01:23:49,465 --> 01:23:53,719 I wasn't allowed to go out of my apartment, 1425 01:23:53,761 --> 01:23:57,140 except with a federal agent. 1426 01:23:57,181 --> 01:24:00,560 They said that it was dangerous for me. 1427 01:24:02,019 --> 01:24:04,981 They decided they should change my name. 1428 01:24:06,482 --> 01:24:07,942 So one day, 1429 01:24:07,984 --> 01:24:10,820 this big, tall U.S. Marshal said, 1430 01:24:10,862 --> 01:24:13,448 "Now your name from now on will be 1431 01:24:13,489 --> 01:24:16,576 Virginia Church." 1432 01:24:16,617 --> 01:24:18,578 What was Leary's name? 1433 01:24:18,619 --> 01:24:20,079 Charlie Thrush. 1434 01:24:21,372 --> 01:24:23,666 And they published in Newsweek 1435 01:24:23,708 --> 01:24:27,503 that Timothy had became a snitch, 1436 01:24:27,545 --> 01:24:29,881 a government informant. 1437 01:24:31,549 --> 01:24:33,634 I thought-- 1438 01:24:33,676 --> 01:24:38,181 I was trying to get Timothy out of prison, 1439 01:24:38,222 --> 01:24:42,143 but they used me to discredit him. 1440 01:24:42,185 --> 01:24:45,354 This is a press conference that I wish 1441 01:24:45,396 --> 01:24:46,981 was not taking place. 1442 01:24:47,023 --> 01:24:49,817 It is a symptom of the credibility crisis 1443 01:24:49,859 --> 01:24:52,653 in America symbolized by Watergate 1444 01:24:52,695 --> 01:24:56,282 and President Ford's pardoning of Richard Nixon. 1445 01:24:56,324 --> 01:24:58,743 There's a straight line between Watergate 1446 01:24:58,784 --> 01:25:00,286 and Timothy Leary. 1447 01:25:00,328 --> 01:25:02,705 The very same Justice Department 1448 01:25:02,747 --> 01:25:06,042 has both forced and persuaded 1449 01:25:06,083 --> 01:25:09,128 Timothy Leary to lie and fabricate 1450 01:25:09,170 --> 01:25:12,298 elaborate stories to get out of jail. 1451 01:25:12,340 --> 01:25:15,051 Leary's new girlfriend, Joanna Harcourt-Smith, 1452 01:25:15,092 --> 01:25:18,721 declared that Leary would not remain in prison. 1453 01:25:18,763 --> 01:25:20,723 Harcourt-Smith said that Leary was willing 1454 01:25:20,765 --> 01:25:22,975 to make a deal with the government. 1455 01:25:23,017 --> 01:25:26,854 When Timothy was in this rural prison, 1456 01:25:26,896 --> 01:25:29,023 they moved me from the apartment 1457 01:25:29,065 --> 01:25:31,150 into the home 1458 01:25:31,192 --> 01:25:33,528 of the U.S. Marshal-- 1459 01:25:33,569 --> 01:25:37,240 Art Van Court and his wife Marcia. 1460 01:25:37,281 --> 01:25:42,119 Although they're keeping me in protective custody, 1461 01:25:42,161 --> 01:25:45,498 it felt kind of good to have home-cooked meals 1462 01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:47,750 and be with a regular family. 1463 01:25:49,418 --> 01:25:54,173 One day, I went to see Timothy at the small jail, 1464 01:25:54,215 --> 01:25:58,177 and as we were embracing, he whispered, 1465 01:25:58,219 --> 01:25:59,554 "G-U-N." 1466 01:25:59,595 --> 01:26:02,473 Because what if they read his lips? 1467 01:26:04,475 --> 01:26:06,727 I said to Dennis, 1468 01:26:06,769 --> 01:26:09,605 "Where can I find a gun?" 1469 01:26:09,647 --> 01:26:12,108 He took me to this garage... 1470 01:26:13,150 --> 01:26:15,361 just like in the movies. 1471 01:26:15,403 --> 01:26:19,407 Greasy man with his jumpsuit. 1472 01:26:19,448 --> 01:26:22,201 I thought I had to play the game, 1473 01:26:22,243 --> 01:26:24,954 and I sat on his lap. 1474 01:26:24,996 --> 01:26:27,707 I gave him $100, 1475 01:26:27,748 --> 01:26:30,001 and he gave me a little gun. 1476 01:26:31,168 --> 01:26:32,795 I couldn't take it anymore-- 1477 01:26:32,837 --> 01:26:34,463 the snitching 1478 01:26:34,505 --> 01:26:36,299 and the setting people up. 1479 01:26:36,340 --> 01:26:39,468 I was ready to kill everybody. 1480 01:26:40,928 --> 01:26:45,391 In the beginning, when Timothy escaped, 1481 01:26:45,433 --> 01:26:49,520 the Weathermen took him to a safe house 1482 01:26:49,562 --> 01:26:51,480 in Oregon. 1483 01:26:51,522 --> 01:26:55,359 The FBI wanted Timothy to show them 1484 01:26:55,401 --> 01:26:58,654 where the safe house was. 1485 01:26:58,696 --> 01:27:01,574 And we had to drive through San Francisco, 1486 01:27:01,616 --> 01:27:03,284 I don't know why. 1487 01:27:04,243 --> 01:27:06,662 And all of a sudden, 1488 01:27:06,704 --> 01:27:10,124 this huge .357 Magnum 1489 01:27:10,166 --> 01:27:13,336 comes floating under the seat, 1490 01:27:13,377 --> 01:27:16,130 right to Timothy's foot. 1491 01:27:16,172 --> 01:27:19,008 And I thought, "This is meant to be." 1492 01:27:19,050 --> 01:27:20,801 Now we have two guns, 1493 01:27:20,843 --> 01:27:22,428 and we're going to be free. 1494 01:27:26,140 --> 01:27:29,393 And he was reading the San Francisco Chronicle. 1495 01:27:33,397 --> 01:27:34,940 And he wrapped the gun up, 1496 01:27:34,982 --> 01:27:38,110 and he handed it back over to the agent. 1497 01:27:38,152 --> 01:27:39,987 Somehow I realized that 1498 01:27:40,029 --> 01:27:42,281 this was just a dream, 1499 01:27:42,323 --> 01:27:44,533 a crazy, maniac, 1500 01:27:44,575 --> 01:27:46,535 insane dream. 1501 01:27:49,580 --> 01:27:53,376 So we proceeded through the forests of Oregon. 1502 01:27:53,417 --> 01:27:55,169 We got out of the car 1503 01:27:55,211 --> 01:27:56,587 and Timothy said to me, 1504 01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:59,799 "Do you realize that if we kill them, 1505 01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:03,511 we'll have to kill everybody we meet 1506 01:28:03,552 --> 01:28:05,388 until they kill us." 1507 01:28:05,429 --> 01:28:08,099 And at that moment, I lifted my head 1508 01:28:08,140 --> 01:28:11,686 and the FBI agent was right in front of us. 1509 01:28:11,727 --> 01:28:14,397 And he said, 1510 01:28:14,438 --> 01:28:17,066 "Do you mind if I shoot you?" 1511 01:28:22,905 --> 01:28:25,741 Did you ever find the Weathermen house? 1512 01:28:28,119 --> 01:28:29,954 I don't remember. 1513 01:28:32,248 --> 01:28:34,417 At some point, 1514 01:28:34,458 --> 01:28:36,085 Dennis became so annoying 1515 01:28:36,127 --> 01:28:40,881 about the fact that I should be only with him, 1516 01:28:40,923 --> 01:28:43,342 he wrote a letter 1517 01:28:43,384 --> 01:28:45,636 to the U.S. Marshal saying 1518 01:28:45,678 --> 01:28:49,306 that I'd been having sex with him. 1519 01:28:49,348 --> 01:28:52,351 My love for Timothy was untrue. 1520 01:28:52,393 --> 01:28:54,937 It was like my world collapsed. 1521 01:28:56,689 --> 01:28:58,816 I went back to Marbella, 1522 01:28:58,858 --> 01:29:01,861 to my mother's house, 1523 01:29:01,902 --> 01:29:04,655 and one day Dennis showed up at the door. 1524 01:29:08,743 --> 01:29:11,287 He asked my mother if he could marry me. 1525 01:29:12,913 --> 01:29:17,334 My mother said, "Who do you think you are? 1526 01:29:17,376 --> 01:29:19,754 The son of a hairdresser? 1527 01:29:19,795 --> 01:29:22,631 Never in the world!" 1528 01:29:27,970 --> 01:29:30,306 A couple of days later, 1529 01:29:30,347 --> 01:29:33,976 I was going to a fabulous party. 1530 01:29:34,018 --> 01:29:37,688 Adnan Khashoggi gave me a couple of Quaaludes. 1531 01:29:38,689 --> 01:29:40,399 From then on, 1532 01:29:40,441 --> 01:29:44,278 I'm not quite sure what I did. 1533 01:29:45,738 --> 01:29:49,992 But the next morning, I called my mother. 1534 01:29:50,034 --> 01:29:52,495 She said, "Dennis is dead." 1535 01:29:55,664 --> 01:29:57,082 I felt he was killed. 1536 01:29:57,124 --> 01:29:59,919 You know, don't ask me for any proof. 1537 01:30:01,086 --> 01:30:03,547 I went to his room. 1538 01:30:03,589 --> 01:30:05,633 There were pills, 1539 01:30:05,674 --> 01:30:08,469 but they were half full. 1540 01:30:08,511 --> 01:30:12,014 And that really set off a bug in my ear. 1541 01:30:13,682 --> 01:30:15,559 Then there was his diary. 1542 01:30:17,311 --> 01:30:19,522 The last words were, 1543 01:30:26,654 --> 01:30:29,949 Please don't let on 1544 01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:32,201 That you knew me when 1545 01:30:32,243 --> 01:30:34,161 I was hungry 1546 01:30:34,203 --> 01:30:37,248 And it was your world 1547 01:30:38,499 --> 01:30:40,793 Ah, you fake 1548 01:30:40,835 --> 01:30:43,379 Just like a woman 1549 01:30:43,420 --> 01:30:45,464 Yes, you do 1550 01:30:45,506 --> 01:30:46,882 You make love 1551 01:30:46,924 --> 01:30:49,802 Just like a woman 1552 01:30:49,844 --> 01:30:51,512 Yes, you do 1553 01:30:51,554 --> 01:30:56,559 Then you ache just like a woman 1554 01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:02,398 But you break just like a little girl 1555 01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:03,899 One day, 1556 01:31:03,941 --> 01:31:07,736 after a little over three and a half years, 1557 01:31:07,778 --> 01:31:09,738 he got out of prison. 1558 01:31:09,780 --> 01:31:12,408 Neurology lives! 1559 01:31:12,449 --> 01:31:14,285 How you feel, Tim? 1560 01:31:14,326 --> 01:31:15,744 -I feel beautiful. -Great. 1561 01:31:15,786 --> 01:31:18,539 I want to thank Joanna and Mr. Milano 1562 01:31:18,581 --> 01:31:22,084 and all my friends who helped me get out. 1563 01:31:22,126 --> 01:31:24,253 And to those who didn't help, 1564 01:31:24,295 --> 01:31:25,921 I want to be reassuring, 1565 01:31:25,963 --> 01:31:27,756 it's all going to work out all right. 1566 01:31:27,798 --> 01:31:29,091 And in particular, 1567 01:31:29,133 --> 01:31:31,218 I want to send a message of support 1568 01:31:31,260 --> 01:31:34,513 to Andrei Sakharov, who's doing the same thing in Russia. 1569 01:31:38,809 --> 01:31:40,603 Have a good time! 1570 01:31:41,937 --> 01:31:44,106 - Bless you, Tim. 1571 01:31:46,150 --> 01:31:49,904 I had reserved a room at the Valencia Hotel 1572 01:31:49,945 --> 01:31:52,948 in La Jolla. 1573 01:31:52,990 --> 01:31:56,243 We went to the restaurant in the hotel, 1574 01:31:56,285 --> 01:31:59,872 and I think he must have ordered everything that was on the menu. 1575 01:32:01,624 --> 01:32:03,375 He was a very elegant man, 1576 01:32:03,417 --> 01:32:06,879 but I'll tell you, that night, he was eating like a pig. 1577 01:32:06,921 --> 01:32:11,300 It was a joy to see him taste real life again. 1578 01:32:11,342 --> 01:32:12,968 We went to bed, 1579 01:32:13,010 --> 01:32:15,471 and in the morning, there was a big... 1580 01:32:15,512 --> 01:32:18,265 -...loud knock on the door. 1581 01:32:18,307 --> 01:32:21,810 It was the U.S. Marshals again. 1582 01:32:21,852 --> 01:32:25,314 "We need to put you in the Witness Protection Program 1583 01:32:25,356 --> 01:32:27,024 because otherwise 1584 01:32:27,066 --> 01:32:29,735 you're going to end up on a slab." 1585 01:32:31,904 --> 01:32:37,159 They said to Timothy, "We're going to relocate you in Salt Lake City." 1586 01:32:37,201 --> 01:32:38,827 And he didn't miss a beat: 1587 01:32:38,869 --> 01:32:41,538 "Do you think you could change that for Santa Fe?" 1588 01:32:41,580 --> 01:32:43,832 And they started making calls. 1589 01:32:43,874 --> 01:32:46,210 Santa Fe it was. 1590 01:32:48,963 --> 01:32:52,925 We were in an "A"-frame cabin out in the wilderness. 1591 01:32:55,135 --> 01:32:58,180 No electricity, no gas. 1592 01:32:58,222 --> 01:33:00,182 That was very unfamiliar to me. 1593 01:33:00,224 --> 01:33:03,686 I mean, to this day I've never camped. 1594 01:33:03,727 --> 01:33:05,646 I'm a Parisian. 1595 01:33:07,398 --> 01:33:10,693 All I knew was, lie in the forest naked 1596 01:33:10,734 --> 01:33:13,362 and get brown under the sun. 1597 01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:21,036 I'm fond of saying that I became a better Timothy Leary 1598 01:33:21,078 --> 01:33:23,831 than Timothy Leary himself. 1599 01:33:23,872 --> 01:33:27,167 I had traveled to colleges... 1600 01:33:28,961 --> 01:33:30,379 given lectures, 1601 01:33:30,421 --> 01:33:33,048 shown the Folsom film, 1602 01:33:33,090 --> 01:33:36,218 pleaded for his release. 1603 01:33:36,260 --> 01:33:40,431 I wonder if there was room for two Timothy Learys. 1604 01:33:40,472 --> 01:33:42,933 One night, 1605 01:33:42,975 --> 01:33:44,893 we had a terrible fight. 1606 01:33:51,775 --> 01:33:54,528 And in the morning he was gone. 1607 01:33:57,740 --> 01:34:01,076 To this day, I don't understand it. 1608 01:34:03,454 --> 01:34:05,664 We never got back together. 1609 01:34:09,877 --> 01:34:11,670 I thought 1610 01:34:11,712 --> 01:34:14,506 he would protect me 1611 01:34:14,548 --> 01:34:16,592 for the rest of my life. 1612 01:34:19,553 --> 01:34:21,638 I thought I was safe. 1613 01:34:24,892 --> 01:34:27,436 And I don't know why he went away. 1614 01:34:47,581 --> 01:34:49,625 Every year that goes by, 1615 01:34:49,666 --> 01:34:51,919 I love my mother more. 1616 01:34:53,378 --> 01:34:57,966 My mother smoked these Winstons endlessly. 1617 01:34:59,676 --> 01:35:02,054 She had a big tumor 1618 01:35:02,096 --> 01:35:04,556 between her lungs. 1619 01:35:04,598 --> 01:35:06,642 It was inoperable. 1620 01:35:07,643 --> 01:35:10,687 I made her go to Mercy Hospital. 1621 01:35:13,357 --> 01:35:17,569 And she said, "This is a very, very bad hotel. 1622 01:35:17,611 --> 01:35:19,655 I want you to pack the suitcases, 1623 01:35:19,696 --> 01:35:21,698 and we're leaving. 1624 01:35:25,494 --> 01:35:28,455 This is the worst hotel I've been in. 1625 01:35:28,497 --> 01:35:30,666 And open everything." 1626 01:35:31,792 --> 01:35:33,836 I opened the windows, 1627 01:35:33,877 --> 01:35:36,171 I opened the door. 1628 01:35:37,214 --> 01:35:38,924 I was holding her hand. 1629 01:35:40,008 --> 01:35:42,678 And it was clear to me the moment 1630 01:35:42,719 --> 01:35:45,347 she stopped breathing. 1631 01:35:46,723 --> 01:35:49,852 She took a breath, but there was no exhale. 1632 01:35:52,146 --> 01:35:54,815 And then this one tear 1633 01:35:54,857 --> 01:35:57,192 came rolling down her cheek. 1634 01:35:58,610 --> 01:36:00,863 One question I have to ask you 1635 01:36:00,904 --> 01:36:04,366 which I'm sure everyone is asking you themselves, 1636 01:36:04,408 --> 01:36:06,451 and that is, Why? 1637 01:36:06,493 --> 01:36:07,786 Why are you doing this? 1638 01:36:07,828 --> 01:36:10,372 Why are you working with DEA, 1639 01:36:10,414 --> 01:36:13,876 the government, at this point? 1640 01:36:13,917 --> 01:36:15,711 I can understand that there might be 1641 01:36:15,752 --> 01:36:18,130 some skepticism that I'm simply here 1642 01:36:18,172 --> 01:36:20,048 talking to you because 1643 01:36:20,090 --> 01:36:22,050 I'm under prison sentence. 1644 01:36:22,092 --> 01:36:25,137 I want to reassure everyone that I'm not brainwashed. 1645 01:36:25,179 --> 01:36:28,557 No promises have been made to me 1646 01:36:28,599 --> 01:36:30,475 by any law enforcement agency. 1647 01:36:30,517 --> 01:36:33,562 The future is much too important 1648 01:36:33,604 --> 01:36:35,981 to be ruled by the past. 1649 01:36:37,441 --> 01:36:39,234 The war is over, and I'm glad, 1650 01:36:39,276 --> 01:36:42,196 and I'm ready for a long period of, uh, 1651 01:36:42,237 --> 01:36:44,072 harmonious peace. 1652 01:36:49,328 --> 01:36:50,746 I have nothing else. 1653 01:36:50,787 --> 01:36:54,124 That was a-- that was a good ending. 1654 01:36:54,166 --> 01:36:56,585 Two years ago, 1655 01:36:56,627 --> 01:36:59,713 I received an email 1656 01:36:59,755 --> 01:37:01,715 from somebody who said, 1657 01:37:01,757 --> 01:37:03,425 "My mother died, 1658 01:37:03,467 --> 01:37:06,220 and I have a bunch of boxes 1659 01:37:06,261 --> 01:37:07,888 that belonged to you. 1660 01:37:07,930 --> 01:37:10,098 Would you like me to send them to you?" 1661 01:37:11,725 --> 01:37:17,773 He wrote me these divine letters in prison, 1662 01:37:17,814 --> 01:37:19,942 and I had lost them. 1663 01:37:19,983 --> 01:37:24,529 And I felt really, really ashamed. 1664 01:37:24,571 --> 01:37:26,114 I was rather broke, 1665 01:37:26,156 --> 01:37:28,367 but not broken at the time. 1666 01:37:30,786 --> 01:37:33,538 And sure enough, the 130 letters 1667 01:37:33,580 --> 01:37:35,707 that he had written to me were there 1668 01:37:35,749 --> 01:37:38,460 in that yellow folder I put them in. 1669 01:37:38,502 --> 01:37:42,923 And there were four reel-to-reel tapes 1670 01:37:42,965 --> 01:37:47,052 that a psychologist in Vacaville 1671 01:37:47,094 --> 01:37:49,096 had brought these tapes to me 1672 01:37:49,137 --> 01:37:53,141 and said, "Timothy wants you to have these and keep them." 1673 01:37:55,310 --> 01:37:59,898 And at the time I was so busy with the real Timothy, 1674 01:37:59,940 --> 01:38:02,985 I didn't listen to the tapes. 1675 01:38:03,026 --> 01:38:05,404 So I spent all last winter 1676 01:38:05,445 --> 01:38:08,323 listening to ten hours. 1677 01:38:10,617 --> 01:38:12,953 He was very brilliant, you see. 1678 01:38:14,121 --> 01:38:16,581 He actually got himself 1679 01:38:16,623 --> 01:38:18,542 moved to Vacaville. 1680 01:38:21,420 --> 01:38:23,839 He seduced 1681 01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:27,676 two psychologists there, a man and a woman. 1682 01:38:27,718 --> 01:38:29,594 At a certain point... 1683 01:38:31,013 --> 01:38:32,848 he says, 1684 01:38:32,889 --> 01:38:35,726 "Well, what are they going to do with me?" 1685 01:38:38,562 --> 01:38:41,356 Wesley Hiler says, 1686 01:38:41,398 --> 01:38:43,942 "We're going to drug you more and more, 1687 01:38:43,984 --> 01:38:47,195 put you in a special section in San Quentin... 1688 01:38:49,489 --> 01:38:51,575 where we keep people 1689 01:38:51,616 --> 01:38:53,076 who've lost their mind." 1690 01:38:53,118 --> 01:38:57,456 And I firmly believe that the next Thursday, 1691 01:38:57,497 --> 01:39:01,668 he said, "Call the FBI, tell them I'm ready." 1692 01:39:01,710 --> 01:39:05,672 What a life would it be for him to live without his mind? 1693 01:39:07,799 --> 01:39:09,801 So after 40 years, 1694 01:39:09,843 --> 01:39:12,554 for me the mystery is solved. 1695 01:39:33,950 --> 01:39:36,244 My ego was pulverized 1696 01:39:36,286 --> 01:39:39,122 by this adventure. 1697 01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:45,045 I was insane, I knew it. 1698 01:39:47,381 --> 01:39:50,550 But I wasn't going to let anybody lock me up. 1699 01:39:54,471 --> 01:39:56,890 And I was smart enough 1700 01:39:56,932 --> 01:39:59,059 to go down to the Caribbean, 1701 01:39:59,101 --> 01:40:01,103 buy a sailboat, 1702 01:40:01,144 --> 01:40:03,688 and sail for a long time. 1703 01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:08,819 The ocean rebuilt me. 1704 01:40:11,405 --> 01:40:15,117 There was something bigger than me. 119440

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