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These are letters that
were written by Charles Manson.
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Did anything ever happen to you?
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Only once.
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These objects are powerful.
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It's a cursed name.
It should never be talked about.
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What happens
when you turn the TV on?
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If I wanted to kill somebody,
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I'd take this book
and beat you to death with it.
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Did the killer
look into that mirror?
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Since I was a young boy,
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I've been collecting
haunted artifacts,
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drawn to the dark and mysterious
energy they carry.
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The Manson murders
will go down as
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one of the most heinous crimes
of all time.
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Through my career
as a paranormal investigator,
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I've been able
to build my collection.
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Now I'm building a museum...
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The Conjure Chest
is one of the deadliest
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- haunted artifacts in existence.
- Robert the Doll.
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He has affected
thousands of people.
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...and providing a place
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for people
to bring their haunted items
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and hear their stories.
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We aid people
into coming into the world.
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Why can't we aid them
in exiting the world?
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These are my deadly possessions.
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My name is Cindy Lee.
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I live in Phoenix, Arizona.
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I am the owner
of a horrifically haunted object
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that once belonged to the man
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that played Dracula,
Bela Lugosi.
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This item has caused my family
so much anguish
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that I no longer
feel safe with it.
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So I'm traveling to Las Vegas
to donate it to Zak's museum.
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Hello.
Hi!
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Wow, you have a big mirror.
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And, of course,
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the mirror is gonna get
aimed right at me?
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Good.
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Beware.
It's an angry mirror.
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Wow.
This is really cool.
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I'm guessing the mirror
has a story.
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The mirror used to be
in Bela Lugosi's house.
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Bela Lugosi?
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Yes. My uncle lived in there
when I was a child.
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We used to visit.
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Huge Bela Lugosi fan.
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So, your uncle...
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We called him Uncle Bob.
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His name is
Frank Robert Celetri.
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And he produced films.
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He did "Blackenstein."
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Old horror films?
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He, in 1982, was murdered.
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It speculated like a mob hit.
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Are you serious?
Yeah.
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And it was pretty gruesome.
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Can I -- and I hate
to ask you these details.
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You can ask me whatever you want.
Please do. Okay. The details.
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Was your uncle shot
or was he strangled?
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How was he killed?
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My uncle was in his bedroom.
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He was found on his knees,
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with his head
over the end of the bed.
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And somebody took a screwdriver
to his knees and elbows.
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And they shot him,
and then they tried
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to dig out the bullet
with the screwdriver.
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And he wasn't found
for a few days.
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Cindy Lee's uncle was killed
inside Bella Lugosi's old house,
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with the mirror watching.
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Did they ever capture
your uncle's killer?
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No.
They never did.
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They never had any idea?
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I have a personal idea.
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It had to be somebody close
that let him in.
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'Cause it wasn't a forced entry.
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I think it was a close friend.
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And whatever else went on,
who knows?
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It's interesting, 'cause
a lot of mirrors in general,
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a lot of ancient cultures
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believe that the reflections
were from another realm.
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Many people said
that they could divine
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the past, present, the future,
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and that they were portals
to the spirit world.
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Then there is a Scrying.
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You stare into a mirror,
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many people believe that you can
see gods, devils, spirits,
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even your own psychic mind.
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Actually, Nostradamus --
he did Scrying
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and predicted his own death.
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And what's interesting to me
is that I do know a little bit
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about Bela Lugosi.
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He was into the occult.
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Very much so.
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And when he filmed
"Count Dracula,"
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he would often have dreams
where he was dead.
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He said this in an interview,
actually, in the 1930s.
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So it's interesting to me
that someone like Bela Lugosi
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that was involved
in the occult --
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Did he use this mirror
in his own occult rituals
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And possibly capture that killer
that's never been captured?
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Did the killer look
into that mirror?
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And did that mirror capture
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that killer's energy,
that killer's soul?
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Possibly your uncle.
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Are you okay?
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Yeah.
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What's wrong?
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Nothing.
It's just emotional.
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I'm sorry.
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It can get really deep
when you start theorizing
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the possibilities
of these objects.
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And these objects are powerful.
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I have a lot of apprehension
about that mirror.
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You should.
Yeah.
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Why do you think
that this mirror has a figure --
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It saw something.
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It saw something?
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I tend to believe
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that this mirror
was used by Bela Lugosi,
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that he was doing
Scrying rituals with it,
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knowing his past in the occult.
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And if he did,
then this would be a portal.
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And if the portal was left open
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and it captured the reflection
of this murder,
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then that energy
would still be consumed in it
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and possibly the killer --
the killer's soul.
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Who is the killer?
They never caught the killer.
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Aside from it being
from Bela Lugosi's house,
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does the mirror have
something bad attached to it?
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Very much so.
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I have an older daughter,
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who -- I'm sorry -- did not want
to come on-camera because --
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Why?
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She went through so much trauma.
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Trauma connected to the mirror?
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To the mirror.
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She lived on her own,
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and when she would be
curling her hair, whatever,
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and she could see,
like, a dark entity,
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but she could feel the teeth,
like, bite.
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She could feel teeth?
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Like, bite her neck.
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The figure would come
through the mirror...
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...and attack her.
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She could feel
whatever was in it.
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Energy, it -- whatever.
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Now, you're talking
about trauma.
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What happened to your daughter?
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How severe was the trauma?
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She moved in with us,
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and she shared a room
with my other daughter.
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Hello.
Hi.
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How you doing?
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Good, thank you.
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So, I know it took a little bit
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for you to want
to do this interview.
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Yes.
Okay.
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Are you comfortable now?
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I want you to be
comfortable with me.
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Yes, I'm okay.
Okay.
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I just have
a couple questions for you.
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Your mother was telling me
that your sister
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had some experiences
with the mirror.
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Many.
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Just take me back and tell me
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what it was like to be
in the room with your sister
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when these events started.
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I was about 14.
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She was staying in my bedroom
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'cause she didn't want
to be at home.
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So she didn't give me
a whole lot of details at first.
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But when she would sleep
at my house,
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she wouldn't want
to be by herself almost ever.
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When she stayed at your house,
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did she ever tell you
actual events?
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She did one time talk to me
about seeing a figure,
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and it terrified me.
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And she just kind of
described the hand
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as very -- almost the reaching.
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And the hand would come out
of the mirror and grab her?
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Yes.
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If your uncle's killer
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did look into this mirror
after the murder,
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did this mirror take
a part of him into it?
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This is starting
to get really deep now.
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I am talking to Irene
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about a mirror that was
inherited by her family
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that once belonged
to Bela Lugosi.
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We're talking
about Irene's sister,
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who was so traumatized
by this mirror
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that she no longer
talks about it
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and would not come to the museum
to talk to me.
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We get
more of those details now.
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She just kind of
described the hand
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as almost the reaching.
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And the hand would come out
of the mirror and grab her?
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Yes.
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Did you believe your sister?
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Of course.
You did?
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Of course.
It terrified me.
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But just the look in her face --
She was very serious.
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She was terrified.
It was a big deal to her.
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So it was hard
to not take that seriously.
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Did she start losing
her own personality?
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She got where she was
second-guessing things --
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where you think you see things
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and, are you psychotic
or is that real?
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Did she ever go to, like,
a place to get help?
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She did?
Yes, a few.
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Talked to a priest --
and this was like every day.
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And that was the focus?
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Yeah.
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The mirror.
The mirror.
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My bedroom, where the mirror was
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up until a couple of days ago --
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.
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I moved out.
Hold on.
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And my room was then
the spare bedroom.
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And it stayed in the corner.
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When you slept in that room,
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did anything ever happen to you?
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Only once.
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It was very creepy
to be in that room.
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But then I just thought
it was because I had moved out.
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And at this time,
you didn't know
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the mirror was there?
No. I didn't know.
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Which -- There was
no psychosomatic going on?
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I just was very uncomfortable.
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I associated it with, you know,
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"I moved out.
This isn't my room anymore."
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But then one night,
I went to sleep in my old room.
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Woke up from this awful dream
of something attacking me,
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scratching me, holding me down.
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What?
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I just remember this vision
of hands, this very dark face.
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And I woke up,
and I had scratch marks.
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Are you serious?
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Chest, arms,
even the middle of my back,
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where I was not able to reach.
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Even some of them
where they broke skin.
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It was so surreal.
I just -- I couldn't explain it.
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That's incredible.
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So you dream about this figure,
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you wake up, and you have
scratches all over your body?
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And I thought
it was just a bad dream.
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Right.
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I'm very black-and-white,
more scientific than...
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I love when this happens
to a skeptic.
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I don't like when it attacks you
and scratches you,
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but I love the moment
of a hard-core skeptic
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having the experience
and seeing this transformation.
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I couldn't justify
how I reached parts of my back,
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and it just -- it didn't add up.
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When was the moment
that you realized
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that you just slept in the room
with the Bela Lugosi mirror?
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Not too long after.
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I just thought it was
a pretty antique mirror
259
00:12:13,033 --> 00:12:14,866
in the corner of that room.
260
00:12:17,671 --> 00:12:21,106
What do you want to do
with the mirror now?
261
00:12:21,108 --> 00:12:24,409
I can't sell it.
I can't give it.
262
00:12:24,411 --> 00:12:27,345
But if it kind of
gets left behind...
263
00:12:27,347 --> 00:12:28,446
You want to get rid of it.
264
00:12:30,584 --> 00:12:31,983
It's that serious?
265
00:12:33,186 --> 00:12:36,955
If it has caused this much harm
266
00:12:36,957 --> 00:12:39,958
in your family
with your daughter,
267
00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,260
who couldn't be here today
to speak about this...
268
00:12:42,262 --> 00:12:43,228
Right.
269
00:12:43,230 --> 00:12:46,097
...because it was
so traumatic,
270
00:12:46,099 --> 00:12:48,967
I'll definitely give it
a good home.
271
00:12:48,969 --> 00:12:50,602
God have mercy on your soul.
272
00:12:50,604 --> 00:12:53,538
I mean, I really respect it.
273
00:12:54,808 --> 00:12:56,307
For real.
I will.
274
00:12:58,578 --> 00:13:00,845
I hate to ask this question.
275
00:13:00,847 --> 00:13:03,581
If this mirror
was an open portal,
276
00:13:03,583 --> 00:13:07,418
do you think
that your uncle's --
277
00:13:07,420 --> 00:13:09,020
and this is a tough question --
278
00:13:09,022 --> 00:13:12,290
do you believe
that your uncle's killer
279
00:13:12,292 --> 00:13:16,094
could have looked
into this mirror?
280
00:13:16,096 --> 00:13:17,462
Yeah.
281
00:13:18,565 --> 00:13:19,798
If your uncle's killer
282
00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,368
did look into this mirror
after the murder,
283
00:13:23,370 --> 00:13:27,672
did this mirror take
a part of him into it?
284
00:13:29,142 --> 00:13:30,909
This is starting
to get really deep now.
285
00:13:30,911 --> 00:13:32,911
And I don't know if you can
feel the energy off of it,
286
00:13:32,913 --> 00:13:36,247
but I don't -- It likes it,
and I don't like it.
287
00:13:36,249 --> 00:13:37,982
Yeah, I don't think it's --
288
00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:40,485
You know, the one thing
that we do here a lot,
289
00:13:40,487 --> 00:13:42,253
that I do here a lot
290
00:13:42,255 --> 00:13:45,156
is we get these objects
right here,
291
00:13:45,158 --> 00:13:47,125
and then within inches,
292
00:13:47,127 --> 00:13:51,129
we talk about these objects
and we theorize,
293
00:13:51,131 --> 00:13:54,365
and we don't know
if the objects like it.
294
00:13:54,367 --> 00:13:57,035
This likes it,
and it's an angry mirror today.
295
00:13:57,037 --> 00:14:00,839
The history of this mirror
absolutely fascinates me.
296
00:14:00,841 --> 00:14:03,408
Hearing the firsthand
paranormal attacks
297
00:14:03,410 --> 00:14:06,010
makes me believe
this artifact can be used
298
00:14:06,012 --> 00:14:08,947
as a dangerous portal
into the spirit realm.
299
00:14:08,949 --> 00:14:10,882
I believe
this mirror has the power
300
00:14:10,884 --> 00:14:12,650
to do some serious harm
301
00:14:12,652 --> 00:14:14,652
and needs to be handled
with caution.
302
00:14:14,654 --> 00:14:20,058
Well, I am the new owner
of Bela Lugosi's haunted mirror.
303
00:14:21,561 --> 00:14:24,495
You know, I just look in here
304
00:14:24,497 --> 00:14:28,366
trying to see if somebody will
appear behind me.
305
00:14:28,368 --> 00:14:31,135
It's crazy --
You hear, just, the stories
306
00:14:31,137 --> 00:14:33,638
that come from these families
307
00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,108
of people that are just
so affected by these objects.
308
00:14:38,278 --> 00:14:41,045
To me, it's just so fascinating
to know
309
00:14:41,047 --> 00:14:46,417
that an inanimate object
like a mirror
310
00:14:46,419 --> 00:14:50,388
could be a doorway to a world --
311
00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:55,026
that is so mysterious,
dangerous.
312
00:14:55,028 --> 00:15:00,365
And coming from the house
of Bela Lugosi,
313
00:15:00,367 --> 00:15:05,837
this may be
my favorite possession to date.
314
00:15:05,839 --> 00:15:11,142
What is inside of you?
315
00:15:11,144 --> 00:15:12,610
Are you the killer?
316
00:15:14,314 --> 00:15:17,415
Bela Lugosi
do something with you?
317
00:15:19,019 --> 00:15:21,419
Did he use you for rituals?
318
00:15:23,290 --> 00:15:25,189
Are you a portal?
319
00:15:31,131 --> 00:15:33,965
Handwritten letters
from Charles Manson.
320
00:15:33,967 --> 00:15:35,800
Yeah.
With the television?
321
00:15:35,802 --> 00:15:36,935
Yes.
322
00:15:51,651 --> 00:15:53,718
I've just been given a mirror
323
00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,787
that once belonged
to Bela Lugosi.
324
00:15:55,789 --> 00:15:57,889
After learning
about the dark history
325
00:15:57,891 --> 00:15:59,424
attached to this item,
326
00:15:59,426 --> 00:16:02,527
I want to conduct an experiment
in the isolation room
327
00:16:02,529 --> 00:16:05,496
to see if it holds the power
we think it does.
328
00:16:05,498 --> 00:16:06,798
I have an experiment
329
00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,000
that I'd like to do
with all three of you.
330
00:16:09,002 --> 00:16:12,236
Ashley, our still photographer,
works on "Ghost Adventures."
331
00:16:12,238 --> 00:16:13,905
Aaron?
Yes.
332
00:16:13,907 --> 00:16:15,406
What's your name?
Jackie.
333
00:16:15,408 --> 00:16:17,408
You're a production assistant
on the show here.
334
00:16:17,410 --> 00:16:19,577
and this is your first day? Yep.
335
00:16:19,579 --> 00:16:21,913
Did you ever think that you would
be on-camera doing something?
336
00:16:21,915 --> 00:16:23,281
No.
337
00:16:23,283 --> 00:16:25,249
Welcome to our world.
338
00:16:25,251 --> 00:16:26,584
Thanks.
339
00:16:26,586 --> 00:16:28,553
Down in the isolation chamber,
340
00:16:28,555 --> 00:16:33,057
we like to isolate people
with interesting objects.
341
00:16:33,059 --> 00:16:35,960
One at a time,
I want you to go downstairs.
342
00:16:35,962 --> 00:16:37,428
You're gonna see a mirror.
343
00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:39,864
I want you to stare
into this mirror,
344
00:16:39,866 --> 00:16:42,367
and I want you to look
at yourself in this mirror
345
00:16:42,369 --> 00:16:44,268
until I call you up.
346
00:16:44,270 --> 00:16:45,703
That's all I'm gonna say.
347
00:16:45,705 --> 00:16:49,407
So, everybody, right hand up.
348
00:16:49,409 --> 00:16:51,142
- I...
- I...
349
00:16:51,144 --> 00:16:53,878
- ...give permission...
- ...give permission...
350
00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,248
...that I can be used
in this isolation experiment.
351
00:16:58,251 --> 00:17:00,184
I'm serious.
I need to hear that.
352
00:17:00,186 --> 00:17:01,953
And I approve.
It's okay.
353
00:17:01,955 --> 00:17:04,489
While my brave volunteers
take turns
354
00:17:04,491 --> 00:17:06,491
sitting in
this isolation chamber,
355
00:17:06,493 --> 00:17:09,127
I'll be here in nerve center
with Billy,
356
00:17:09,129 --> 00:17:12,030
where I can monitor them closely
and be ready
357
00:17:12,032 --> 00:17:15,166
in case this cursed mirror
has a negative effect on them.
358
00:17:35,388 --> 00:17:37,188
Close on her face.
359
00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:40,858
This is really weird.
360
00:17:40,860 --> 00:17:44,562
I almost feel like
I'm looking at somebody else.
361
00:17:44,564 --> 00:17:45,963
The belief is,
362
00:17:45,965 --> 00:17:49,834
is that if you stare
into this mirror long enough,
363
00:17:49,836 --> 00:17:52,070
this Scrying process
364
00:17:52,072 --> 00:17:55,173
that you can connect
with your own psychic mind,
365
00:17:55,175 --> 00:17:57,475
even if you never thought
you had one.
366
00:17:57,477 --> 00:17:59,911
You almost go into
a state of hypnosis.
367
00:17:59,913 --> 00:18:02,213
You start seeing
into the spirit world.
368
00:18:02,215 --> 00:18:05,950
You see into the afterlife
using this mirror.
369
00:18:05,952 --> 00:18:08,519
As I send them downstairs
one by one,
370
00:18:08,521 --> 00:18:11,355
they all appear to have
different experiences,
371
00:18:11,357 --> 00:18:14,959
depending on how they choose
to interact with the mirror.
372
00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,166
Come out and show yourself.
373
00:18:25,305 --> 00:18:27,004
Dude.
374
00:18:34,047 --> 00:18:36,981
Is there something in the mirror
that wants to come out?
375
00:18:41,187 --> 00:18:43,121
Weird.
376
00:18:43,123 --> 00:18:44,589
What'd he say?
377
00:18:48,394 --> 00:18:52,597
Dude, I just saw myself old --
really old.
378
00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:55,833
Aaron apparently had a reaction
to the mirror.
379
00:18:55,835 --> 00:19:00,271
Sometimes it just takes
the right energy to unlock.
380
00:19:00,273 --> 00:19:02,206
All right.
Now let me see you.
381
00:19:02,208 --> 00:19:05,643
I saw me.
Let me see you.
382
00:19:16,923 --> 00:19:19,190
Whoa.
What was that look?
383
00:19:19,192 --> 00:19:20,691
I don't know.
384
00:19:20,693 --> 00:19:22,560
I just saw something.
385
00:19:22,562 --> 00:19:25,730
Ashley sees an unexplained
light in the mirror.
386
00:19:25,732 --> 00:19:27,231
And what makes this interesting
387
00:19:27,233 --> 00:19:30,735
is that while Aaron is alone
in the isolation chamber,
388
00:19:30,737 --> 00:19:34,205
he too sees
the same mysterious light.
389
00:19:38,578 --> 00:19:39,777
Like a light.
390
00:19:39,779 --> 00:19:41,913
It's not a shadow.
It's like a light.
391
00:19:48,388 --> 00:19:50,621
It's a weird feeling
in here, guys.
392
00:19:50,623 --> 00:19:53,925
I heard something right here --
just, like, scuffle,
393
00:19:53,927 --> 00:19:56,527
and I just got ice-cold.
394
00:19:57,997 --> 00:20:00,831
If you're in the room here with
me, which I believe you are,
395
00:20:00,833 --> 00:20:03,668
can you show yourself
in this mirror?
396
00:20:08,174 --> 00:20:09,340
Should we get her out?
397
00:20:10,276 --> 00:20:12,743
I decide
to conclude our experiment
398
00:20:12,745 --> 00:20:14,011
and gather everyone
399
00:20:14,013 --> 00:20:16,614
in order to analyze
their separate experiences.
400
00:20:16,616 --> 00:20:19,217
And then also I saw this light,
like someone came in.
401
00:20:19,219 --> 00:20:21,485
I thought the cam, like someone came
in the back. I saw the light, too!
402
00:20:21,487 --> 00:20:23,354
What did you see?
It was on the right?
403
00:20:23,356 --> 00:20:25,690
Yeah. And I looked over,
and there's nothing there.
404
00:20:25,692 --> 00:20:30,428
So, you guys thought
that the experiment just ended?
405
00:20:30,430 --> 00:20:31,896
The experiment just began.
406
00:20:31,898 --> 00:20:35,933
Round 2 happens
in your bed -- tonight.
407
00:20:35,935 --> 00:20:38,102
So, tomorrow morning,
when you wake up,
408
00:20:38,104 --> 00:20:40,438
I want you to tell me
what you dreamed about.
409
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,273
And I want to see
if there's any marks on you.
410
00:20:42,275 --> 00:20:44,709
You would've gone down there,
right, still?
411
00:20:44,711 --> 00:20:46,444
No. It's too late.
I already did it.
412
00:20:46,446 --> 00:20:48,746
I will continue
to monitor the effects
413
00:20:48,748 --> 00:20:51,215
this mirror may have left
on my volunteers
414
00:20:51,217 --> 00:20:53,918
and will be watching
the rest of my museum
415
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,455
under heavy surveillance
for the next 24 hours.
416
00:21:11,704 --> 00:21:15,840
I captured some very disturbing
evidence on my phone.
417
00:21:15,842 --> 00:21:17,441
Basement...
418
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,713
Looks like we have
a mannequin drowning.
419
00:21:22,715 --> 00:21:27,084
As you can see...
it's all water right there --
420
00:21:27,086 --> 00:21:29,120
about 12 inches.
421
00:21:33,026 --> 00:21:35,993
Spirits can cause floods,
I believe.
422
00:21:42,302 --> 00:21:43,968
My God!
423
00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:46,904
What the ****
424
00:21:46,906 --> 00:21:48,506
Holy ****
425
00:21:48,508 --> 00:21:51,876
Just heard sounds
coming from right here.
426
00:21:55,381 --> 00:21:56,180
Hear that?
427
00:21:57,250 --> 00:21:59,950
A loud noise
is coming from in here.
428
00:22:05,591 --> 00:22:08,559
Just capturing it.
429
00:22:08,561 --> 00:22:11,595
All this water,
you don't want to touch that.
430
00:22:11,597 --> 00:22:13,431
That's enough for me.
431
00:22:13,433 --> 00:22:17,001
There is no history of flooding
in this basement, and the fact
432
00:22:17,003 --> 00:22:20,971
that it's just less than
12 hours after our experiment,
433
00:22:20,973 --> 00:22:23,674
it is hard to believe
this is coincidental.
434
00:22:23,676 --> 00:22:26,510
At this point,
I believe this mirror
435
00:22:26,512 --> 00:22:29,280
to be the most dangerous
possession I own.
436
00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:32,516
This is called murderabilia.
437
00:22:32,518 --> 00:22:33,984
I'd never heard of murderabilia
438
00:22:33,986 --> 00:22:36,253
until I got Charles Manson's TV.
439
00:22:36,255 --> 00:22:38,222
Charles Manson's television.
440
00:22:54,607 --> 00:22:57,041
I'm Nick, and I've bought
Charles Manson's TV.
441
00:22:58,511 --> 00:23:00,845
When that happened,
bad things started happening.
442
00:23:00,847 --> 00:23:03,381
My life
just started to go downhill
443
00:23:03,383 --> 00:23:04,682
and spiral out of control.
444
00:23:04,684 --> 00:23:06,550
My mother died.
445
00:23:06,552 --> 00:23:08,619
I was out of work
for four months.
446
00:23:08,621 --> 00:23:10,354
And a guy died in my driveway.
447
00:23:10,356 --> 00:23:11,989
And I need
to get it away from me
448
00:23:11,991 --> 00:23:13,591
before anything worse happens.
449
00:23:13,593 --> 00:23:14,892
Hey, how's it going?
Good.
450
00:23:14,894 --> 00:23:16,627
Come on in.
Yeah.
451
00:23:16,629 --> 00:23:18,195
You want to set it there.
Put it here?
452
00:23:18,197 --> 00:23:20,197
Yeah. Are we gonna watch
a video?
453
00:23:20,199 --> 00:23:22,800
I don't know if you want
to watch a video on this TV.
454
00:23:22,802 --> 00:23:24,001
Is that right?
I'm Nick.
455
00:23:24,003 --> 00:23:25,503
Hi. Zak. Have a seat.
456
00:23:25,505 --> 00:23:26,837
Nice to meet you.
457
00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:28,772
How are you doing?
Good.
458
00:23:28,774 --> 00:23:32,343
So, you've --
you've brought a TV?
459
00:23:32,345 --> 00:23:33,577
Yes.
460
00:23:33,579 --> 00:23:36,313
This is, Charles Manson's TV.
461
00:23:41,721 --> 00:23:43,554
Charles Manson's television?
462
00:23:43,556 --> 00:23:44,622
It was.
463
00:23:46,826 --> 00:23:51,729
Okay, how did you acquire
Charles Manson's television?
464
00:23:51,731 --> 00:23:54,698
I buy and sell cars,
465
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:59,637
and this car sat in a field
in Tuscola, Texas.
466
00:23:59,639 --> 00:24:02,039
It's a real small town.
467
00:24:02,041 --> 00:24:05,409
And the guy I bought it from
468
00:24:05,411 --> 00:24:08,546
told me Charles Manson's TV
was in the back,
469
00:24:08,548 --> 00:24:10,314
and I thought,
"Yeah, okay, sure."
470
00:24:12,084 --> 00:24:15,686
So, I get it home
and start cleaning it out.
471
00:24:15,688 --> 00:24:20,458
And, sure enough, in the back is
this little black-and-white TV.
472
00:24:20,460 --> 00:24:23,961
It says "Pelican Bay Prison,"
it's got his name on the back,
473
00:24:23,963 --> 00:24:26,397
and next to the TV
474
00:24:26,399 --> 00:24:31,035
is a box with some letters
in it -- from Manson.
475
00:24:31,037 --> 00:24:33,037
Handwritten letters
from Charles Manson?
476
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:34,839
Yeah.
With the television?
477
00:24:34,841 --> 00:24:36,707
Yes.
478
00:24:36,709 --> 00:24:38,442
Why is this stuff in this car?
479
00:24:38,444 --> 00:24:40,578
Apparently,
the guy that owned the car
480
00:24:40,580 --> 00:24:42,279
was corresponding with him.
481
00:24:42,281 --> 00:24:44,181
Was corresponding
with Charles Manson?
482
00:24:44,183 --> 00:24:45,549
Yes.
483
00:24:45,551 --> 00:24:47,151
This is already a crazy story.
484
00:24:47,153 --> 00:24:48,185
Yeah.
485
00:24:48,187 --> 00:24:50,855
This is called murderabilia.
486
00:24:50,857 --> 00:24:54,191
I'd never heard of murderabilia
until I got this item.
487
00:24:54,193 --> 00:24:55,192
Okay.
488
00:24:55,194 --> 00:24:57,027
Let me ask you something, Nick.
489
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:59,430
When you set it down, I said,
"Are you gonna play a video?"
490
00:24:59,432 --> 00:25:01,265
and you go, "Well, I don't think
491
00:25:01,267 --> 00:25:02,867
you want to watch
anything on this."
492
00:25:02,869 --> 00:25:04,635
And I can tell by the way
you said that,
493
00:25:04,637 --> 00:25:09,039
it sounds like other things
started happening to you
494
00:25:09,041 --> 00:25:11,909
once you took
possession of this.
495
00:25:11,911 --> 00:25:12,710
Yes.
496
00:25:12,712 --> 00:25:13,978
Okay, please.
497
00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:15,646
I've had the TV,
498
00:25:15,648 --> 00:25:19,750
I want to say since about 2012,
maybe 2013.
499
00:25:19,752 --> 00:25:22,386
And for the most part,
I kept it in the garage outside.
500
00:25:22,388 --> 00:25:26,056
We sold the house,
kept it in our bedroom area.
501
00:25:26,058 --> 00:25:28,025
You brought the TV
into your bedroom?
502
00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:30,094
Yes.
Okay.
503
00:25:30,096 --> 00:25:32,363
When that happened,
bad things started happening.
504
00:25:33,432 --> 00:25:36,033
Was out of work for four months.
505
00:25:36,035 --> 00:25:38,569
And my mother died in 2015.
506
00:25:38,571 --> 00:25:39,670
Sorry to hear that.
507
00:25:39,672 --> 00:25:41,605
She was real young.
508
00:25:41,607 --> 00:25:42,740
That was pretty hard.
509
00:25:42,742 --> 00:25:44,308
Yeah.
510
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:46,777
Just, random things
would happen.
511
00:25:46,779 --> 00:25:47,878
I live on the highway.
512
00:25:49,248 --> 00:25:51,415
There's not a lot of houses
where I'm at.
513
00:25:51,417 --> 00:25:54,685
A guy got hit by a car
on a motorcycle
514
00:25:54,687 --> 00:25:56,186
and died in my driveway.
515
00:25:56,188 --> 00:25:57,588
This guy knocks on my door,
516
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:59,390
and he says,
"Can I use your phone?"
517
00:25:59,392 --> 00:26:00,791
I said,
"Who are you? What?"
518
00:26:00,793 --> 00:26:03,093
He says, "I hit a man on a motorcycle.
I think he's dead."
519
00:26:03,095 --> 00:26:04,395
And I look down,
520
00:26:04,397 --> 00:26:06,764
and there is a man
in my driveway laying there.
521
00:26:06,766 --> 00:26:08,098
There's a motorcycle in pieces.
522
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:10,434
Dead? He's laying dead?
523
00:26:10,436 --> 00:26:12,570
So, all this
started happening --
524
00:26:12,572 --> 00:26:15,940
all this bad stuff
started happening
525
00:26:15,942 --> 00:26:18,375
when you put this in your room?
526
00:26:18,377 --> 00:26:19,343
Yes.
527
00:26:21,247 --> 00:26:22,913
I would call myself a skeptic
528
00:26:22,915 --> 00:26:25,349
when it came to
this type of a deal.
529
00:26:25,351 --> 00:26:27,051
But I have a good buddy,
530
00:26:27,053 --> 00:26:28,419
and anytime
something bad would happen,
531
00:26:28,421 --> 00:26:29,853
he'd say, "It's the TV."
532
00:26:29,855 --> 00:26:31,088
Really?
Yeah.
533
00:26:31,090 --> 00:26:33,791
When did you
start thinking that,
534
00:26:33,793 --> 00:26:38,162
"This TV that I brought into
my room has bad energy to it"?
535
00:26:38,164 --> 00:26:40,698
When so many bad things
had happened
536
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:42,132
and I'd gone through so much,
537
00:26:42,134 --> 00:26:46,971
I got to a point where I said,
"Yeah, I believe it's the TV."
538
00:26:50,209 --> 00:26:53,010
Where's the TV being stored now?
539
00:26:53,012 --> 00:26:54,745
I have a good friend
named Ashley,
540
00:26:54,747 --> 00:26:56,180
and I shipped it to her.
541
00:26:56,182 --> 00:27:00,150
When you shipped it to her,
how did things start feeling?
542
00:27:00,152 --> 00:27:01,218
Better -- much better.
543
00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:02,119
Really?
Yeah.
544
00:27:02,121 --> 00:27:03,354
So it happened that soon?
545
00:27:03,356 --> 00:27:04,855
Yes.
546
00:27:04,857 --> 00:27:08,726
So, I want to know
a little bit more about this TV.
547
00:27:08,728 --> 00:27:10,494
Okay.
548
00:27:10,496 --> 00:27:13,764
Nick, your friend -- he went
through a lot of bad luck,
549
00:27:13,766 --> 00:27:16,433
bad stuff in a short time period
550
00:27:16,435 --> 00:27:19,536
after he decided to put
this TV in his bedroom.
551
00:27:19,538 --> 00:27:21,472
And so, what I'm trying
to do is,
552
00:27:21,474 --> 00:27:23,273
I'm trying to see
whether or not this TV
553
00:27:23,275 --> 00:27:25,309
really does have
some type of energy
554
00:27:25,311 --> 00:27:27,378
that was infused in it
by Charles Manson.
555
00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:30,280
So, when you got the TV,
556
00:27:30,282 --> 00:27:32,116
did you feel anything from it?
557
00:27:32,118 --> 00:27:34,885
Well, you can
definitely, like...
558
00:27:34,887 --> 00:27:36,987
you can feel
a weird energy from it.
559
00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:39,156
It's the kind of thing you don't
really want to have around.
560
00:27:39,158 --> 00:27:41,859
I didn't really want
to keep it inside.
561
00:27:41,861 --> 00:27:43,627
So I didn't keep it
directly in my apartment,
562
00:27:43,629 --> 00:27:44,828
just in case.
563
00:27:44,830 --> 00:27:47,231
'Cause I didn't really
want to be that close to it.
564
00:27:49,268 --> 00:27:53,203
It's interesting --
I've heard a lot of objects
565
00:27:53,205 --> 00:27:56,607
that are affiliated with death
566
00:27:56,609 --> 00:28:00,177
are haunted by people
that have put the curse
567
00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:04,548
on the objects,
like the Conjuring Chest.
568
00:28:04,550 --> 00:28:06,417
It's interesting to me
569
00:28:06,419 --> 00:28:12,289
to have a television set
owned by Charles Manson,
570
00:28:12,291 --> 00:28:15,559
who was able to get into
the minds of people --
571
00:28:15,561 --> 00:28:17,528
his Manson family --
572
00:28:17,530 --> 00:28:22,266
to literally brainwash them
to go kill people.
573
00:28:22,268 --> 00:28:24,268
I'm trying to grasp my mind
574
00:28:24,270 --> 00:28:28,372
around how would Charles Manson,
who is still alive,
575
00:28:28,374 --> 00:28:32,710
curse an object
that he had possession of.
576
00:28:32,712 --> 00:28:36,513
Does he imprint some of his
electrical mental impressions
577
00:28:36,515 --> 00:28:40,184
into these objects,
ships them to other people
578
00:28:40,186 --> 00:28:42,453
knowing that they are cursed
and that his energy
579
00:28:42,455 --> 00:28:44,822
or whatever he inflicted
on these objects
580
00:28:44,824 --> 00:28:48,459
is now being released
onto people that own them?
581
00:28:48,461 --> 00:28:51,795
I'm just trying
to theoretically think --
582
00:28:51,797 --> 00:28:54,965
How would this TV be cursed
583
00:28:54,967 --> 00:28:57,334
and do bad things
to somebody like you?
584
00:28:57,336 --> 00:29:00,704
I think when you have something
like this around you,
585
00:29:00,706 --> 00:29:03,373
the bad vibe
of who Charles Manson is
586
00:29:03,375 --> 00:29:05,309
and what he's done Absolutely.
587
00:29:05,311 --> 00:29:09,346
may have an effect on you
by keeping it close to you.
588
00:29:09,348 --> 00:29:14,284
Do you feel that these events
are connected to this?
589
00:29:14,286 --> 00:29:16,286
They have to be.
590
00:29:16,288 --> 00:29:17,821
Ladies and gentlemen,
591
00:29:17,823 --> 00:29:22,025
I'm about to interview
Charles Manson's grandson.
592
00:29:36,842 --> 00:29:39,810
Nick Kloster is the owner
of a television
593
00:29:39,812 --> 00:29:42,045
that belonged to Charles Manson.
594
00:29:42,047 --> 00:29:43,514
We're discussing the possibility
595
00:29:43,516 --> 00:29:47,584
of Manson's evil energy
being transferred to this TV.
596
00:29:47,586 --> 00:29:50,287
The baggage that comes
with something like this --
597
00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:53,724
the spookiness of it,
I guess you could say --
598
00:29:53,726 --> 00:29:55,092
that gets to you.
599
00:29:55,094 --> 00:29:56,927
And, like I said,
I fought it for a long time
600
00:29:56,929 --> 00:29:59,129
and thought, "No, that's
not true. That can't be true.
601
00:29:59,131 --> 00:30:01,031
I don't believe
in that kind of things."
602
00:30:01,033 --> 00:30:03,167
But it got so bad
where I thought,
603
00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:04,635
"There's nothing else
it could be.
604
00:30:04,637 --> 00:30:06,837
It's got to be
this kind of stuff.
605
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:08,605
And I need to
get it away from me
606
00:30:08,607 --> 00:30:10,307
before anything worse
happens."
607
00:30:11,644 --> 00:30:13,110
What do you have with you?
608
00:30:13,112 --> 00:30:14,845
These are letters
that were found
609
00:30:14,847 --> 00:30:16,814
in the car with the TV.
610
00:30:16,816 --> 00:30:18,982
And they're all written
by Charles Manson.
611
00:30:18,984 --> 00:30:21,051
Are you serious?
If they had a relationship...
612
00:30:21,053 --> 00:30:22,853
They did.
They wrote for years.
613
00:30:22,855 --> 00:30:26,590
"You send me something ****,
614
00:30:26,592 --> 00:30:29,860
you little something ****"
615
00:30:29,862 --> 00:30:31,295
So, a lot of cussing.
616
00:30:31,297 --> 00:30:32,496
A lot.
Wow.
617
00:30:32,498 --> 00:30:35,732
So, were you able
to do any research
618
00:30:35,734 --> 00:30:38,202
on the guy
who sold Nick the car?
619
00:30:38,204 --> 00:30:39,336
Yes.
620
00:30:39,338 --> 00:30:42,840
Why would this guy
sell this car to Nick
621
00:30:42,842 --> 00:30:44,241
with all this stuff in it?
622
00:30:44,243 --> 00:30:48,078
Did Charles Manson start getting
inside the mind of this guy
623
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,215
and writing him all these
letters and cussing him out
624
00:30:51,217 --> 00:30:56,086
and then sent him a TV
that possibly cursed the guy
625
00:30:56,088 --> 00:30:58,155
to just want to just take it,
put it in a car,
626
00:30:58,157 --> 00:31:00,257
and "Let me sell
the whole damn thing."
627
00:31:00,259 --> 00:31:02,926
Yeah, I believe he was
a criminology major.
628
00:31:02,928 --> 00:31:05,395
He started writing
to all these people.
629
00:31:05,397 --> 00:31:07,965
And there's letters
not just from Manson.
630
00:31:07,967 --> 00:31:11,201
There's letters from Ramirez,
the Son of Sam.
631
00:31:11,203 --> 00:31:13,570
But the Manson letters,
are they directed to this guy?
632
00:31:13,572 --> 00:31:14,771
Yes.
They are.
633
00:31:14,773 --> 00:31:17,140
Every single letter he has
is directed to him.
634
00:31:17,142 --> 00:31:19,042
So there was
a relationship there?
635
00:31:19,044 --> 00:31:20,210
Absolutely.
636
00:31:20,212 --> 00:31:22,045
There's even a letter
I think in the back of here,
637
00:31:22,047 --> 00:31:23,347
that allows him a visit.
638
00:31:23,349 --> 00:31:24,648
I don't know if he ever took it.
639
00:31:24,650 --> 00:31:27,651
Do you know if his life
just fell apart?
640
00:31:27,653 --> 00:31:28,919
I know he's in prison now.
641
00:31:28,921 --> 00:31:30,354
He's what?!
642
00:31:30,356 --> 00:31:31,922
I don't know
exactly what happened.
643
00:31:31,924 --> 00:31:33,590
I'm still trying
to figure it all out.
644
00:31:33,592 --> 00:31:35,926
But I've heard he hired people
645
00:31:35,928 --> 00:31:38,328
to break into
his stepdad's house
646
00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:39,763
and rob and murder him.
647
00:31:39,765 --> 00:31:42,565
My... God.
648
00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:43,967
He's currently in prison.
649
00:31:43,969 --> 00:31:46,036
He convinced people
to kill his stepfather?
650
00:31:46,038 --> 00:31:48,205
No, it didn't work.
It didn't go through.
651
00:31:48,207 --> 00:31:49,773
But he did this?
Yeah.
652
00:31:49,775 --> 00:31:51,241
Holy ****
653
00:31:51,243 --> 00:31:54,444
That's what
he's in prison for, yeah.
654
00:31:54,446 --> 00:31:56,179
What did Charles Manson
used to do?
655
00:31:56,181 --> 00:31:58,348
He got inside
the minds of people
656
00:31:58,350 --> 00:32:01,451
and had them do his dirty work.
657
00:32:02,521 --> 00:32:04,821
This story just took a big turn.
658
00:32:04,823 --> 00:32:07,491
Do you think that Charles Manson
659
00:32:07,493 --> 00:32:10,227
got inside the mind of him
while they were corresponding?
660
00:32:10,229 --> 00:32:11,461
I could see that.
661
00:32:11,463 --> 00:32:13,530
Yeah, I mean, the stuff in here
is really dark.
662
00:32:13,532 --> 00:32:14,965
They may have talked, even.
663
00:32:14,967 --> 00:32:18,368
It may even gone further
than even letters.
664
00:32:18,370 --> 00:32:19,603
Interesting.
665
00:32:19,605 --> 00:32:20,938
Locked up in prison,
666
00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:24,074
Manson -- he's not
out on the streets.
667
00:32:24,076 --> 00:32:26,209
But his belongings are,
668
00:32:26,211 --> 00:32:28,712
and his belongings are
still having the same effect.
669
00:32:30,849 --> 00:32:32,783
What do you want
to do with the TV now?
670
00:32:32,785 --> 00:32:35,352
Would you like
to get rid of it today?
671
00:32:35,354 --> 00:32:37,321
I'm offering to take this
off your hands
672
00:32:37,323 --> 00:32:41,858
for the simple fact
that, to me, how it's cursed.
673
00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:44,561
I study these things.
I research these things.
674
00:32:44,563 --> 00:32:46,263
So I want to do
some studies on it.
675
00:32:46,265 --> 00:32:49,299
I want to do some investigating
of the television set.
676
00:32:49,301 --> 00:32:52,602
Thank you for coming out here
and sharing your story.
677
00:32:52,604 --> 00:32:54,338
I appreciate it.
Absolutely.
678
00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:56,907
Nick Kloster
believes this television
679
00:32:56,909 --> 00:32:59,876
is the cause for his life
to make a terrible turn
680
00:32:59,878 --> 00:33:01,411
and wanted to get rid of it.
681
00:33:01,413 --> 00:33:04,381
So I am now the owner
of a possession that belonged to
682
00:33:04,383 --> 00:33:07,451
perhaps the most heinous killer
of all time.
683
00:33:07,453 --> 00:33:11,488
Could this TV, that has
Manson's name on it,
684
00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:18,028
could he have imprinted
his energy into this TV?
685
00:33:18,030 --> 00:33:20,630
The TV still works.
686
00:33:20,632 --> 00:33:24,401
I'm more curious
as to know what happens
687
00:33:24,403 --> 00:33:29,806
when you turn the TV on
and you watch the screen.
688
00:33:29,808 --> 00:33:32,476
There's only one way
to find out.
689
00:33:35,214 --> 00:33:36,880
All right, it's on.
690
00:33:42,321 --> 00:33:44,855
Ooh. Hear that?
691
00:33:44,857 --> 00:33:51,128
Just felt the static electricity
come from the TV to my hand.
692
00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:53,764
Never thought about that --
the static electricity
693
00:33:53,766 --> 00:33:56,666
that these TVs generate
when you touch the screen.
694
00:33:56,668 --> 00:34:04,875
All I do know is that I just
added another interesting object
695
00:34:04,877 --> 00:34:08,545
to my collection
here at the museum.
696
00:34:11,216 --> 00:34:12,349
Ladies and gentlemen,
697
00:34:12,351 --> 00:34:15,786
I interview
a lot of interesting people.
698
00:34:15,788 --> 00:34:18,989
I've interviewed
satanic priests.
699
00:34:18,991 --> 00:34:23,927
I've interviewed
"Dracula's" Vlad Tepes.
700
00:34:23,929 --> 00:34:27,964
I've interviewed his ancestor,
a princess.
701
00:34:27,966 --> 00:34:31,701
But right now...
702
00:34:31,703 --> 00:34:34,271
I'm about to interview
703
00:34:34,273 --> 00:34:38,408
Charles Manson's grandson,
Jason Freeman.
704
00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:41,344
And I believe
that he is about to tell us
705
00:34:41,346 --> 00:34:43,780
that he wants
to make a change today.
706
00:34:43,782 --> 00:34:45,615
And I want to ask him
707
00:34:45,617 --> 00:34:49,386
if his grandfather
has the ability
708
00:34:49,388 --> 00:34:54,024
to infuse dark energy
into objects, like this TV,
709
00:34:54,026 --> 00:34:55,759
and affect others, like Nick.
710
00:34:57,029 --> 00:34:58,028
How you doing, buddy?
711
00:34:58,030 --> 00:34:59,229
Good, man.
Nice to meet you.
712
00:34:59,231 --> 00:35:02,065
Thank you for coming out here.
713
00:35:02,067 --> 00:35:04,968
You know, I just have
some questions for you.
714
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:06,970
You can go as deep as you want.
715
00:35:06,972 --> 00:35:08,805
You don't have to give me
your whole biography.
716
00:35:08,807 --> 00:35:10,140
Yeah.
717
00:35:10,142 --> 00:35:13,443
But everybody wants to know,
you know, what it was like,
718
00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:15,545
what it is like.
What it is like?
719
00:35:15,547 --> 00:35:19,683
What it is like being
Charles Manson's grandson.
720
00:35:19,685 --> 00:35:21,751
You know,
if I wanted to kill somebody,
721
00:35:21,753 --> 00:35:24,287
I'd take this book
and beat you to death with it.
722
00:35:24,289 --> 00:35:26,256
And I wouldn't feel a thing.
723
00:35:26,258 --> 00:35:29,192
It'd be just like
walking to the drugstore.
724
00:35:29,194 --> 00:35:31,795
Well...
725
00:35:31,797 --> 00:35:35,465
growing up, I was...
726
00:35:35,467 --> 00:35:39,903
which I understood what
my mom and dad did, you know.
727
00:35:39,905 --> 00:35:42,139
They didn't want
that Manson name
728
00:35:42,141 --> 00:35:45,509
to haunt me
or haunt my childhood
729
00:35:45,511 --> 00:35:48,145
to where I couldn't have
a childhood.
730
00:35:48,147 --> 00:35:52,849
My mom and my grandma just said
to never talk about it,
731
00:35:52,851 --> 00:35:54,751
never bring it up, you know?
732
00:35:54,753 --> 00:35:58,021
It's a cursed name that should
never be talked about.
733
00:35:58,023 --> 00:36:02,092
And she was married to your
grandfather, Charles Manson? Yeah.
734
00:36:02,094 --> 00:36:06,196
Him and I,
we've been speaking on and off
735
00:36:06,198 --> 00:36:07,831
for the last 31/2 years.
736
00:36:07,833 --> 00:36:08,932
You have?
Yeah.
737
00:36:08,934 --> 00:36:10,233
What was that like?
738
00:36:10,235 --> 00:36:16,506
After so long of not having
so many questions not answered
739
00:36:16,508 --> 00:36:19,943
and just being left in the dark
with the whole situation
740
00:36:19,945 --> 00:36:22,145
of knowing
who my grandfather was --
741
00:36:22,147 --> 00:36:23,880
Nobody would talk
to me about it,
742
00:36:23,882 --> 00:36:27,217
and I wasn't allowed
to speak about it.
743
00:36:27,219 --> 00:36:30,954
And... it felt great.
744
00:36:30,956 --> 00:36:33,223
Have you visited him in prison?
745
00:36:33,225 --> 00:36:37,360
No. Before he does pass,
we have to be face-to-face.
746
00:36:37,362 --> 00:36:40,630
I've got to see him.
There's no getting around it.
747
00:36:40,632 --> 00:36:42,732
What would you tell him?
748
00:36:42,734 --> 00:36:45,735
I would give him a hug.
749
00:36:45,737 --> 00:36:47,437
That's what I would start with.
750
00:36:47,439 --> 00:36:48,638
Yep.
751
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,341
And how do you
correspond with him?
752
00:36:51,343 --> 00:36:53,877
Phone and letters.
753
00:36:53,879 --> 00:36:56,146
Can you tell me
about your father?
754
00:36:56,148 --> 00:37:00,984
Yeah -- Charles Manson Jr.
that lived on the streets.
755
00:37:00,986 --> 00:37:06,723
He didn't have protection,
like they would behind bars.
756
00:37:06,725 --> 00:37:08,825
He was 11 or 12
757
00:37:08,827 --> 00:37:12,362
when my grandfather
was involved with those murders.
758
00:37:12,364 --> 00:37:14,064
How did he deal with that?
759
00:37:14,066 --> 00:37:16,499
I think the way
he dealt with it finally
760
00:37:16,501 --> 00:37:19,603
when he was 37
761
00:37:19,605 --> 00:37:20,770
is he killed himself.
762
00:37:21,707 --> 00:37:24,107
That's how he dealt with it.
763
00:37:30,882 --> 00:37:34,517
I just want to show
the world changes within us.
764
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:36,686
And I want to lift this curse
off our name.
765
00:37:50,369 --> 00:37:52,502
I'm talking to Jason Freeman,
766
00:37:52,504 --> 00:37:55,238
who is the grandson
of Charles Manson.
767
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:58,842
How are you doing now?
768
00:37:58,844 --> 00:38:00,543
Great.
769
00:38:00,545 --> 00:38:02,979
I wrote a book
about four years ago
770
00:38:02,981 --> 00:38:04,681
called
"Knocking Out the Devil."
771
00:38:04,683 --> 00:38:05,982
What is this book about?
772
00:38:05,984 --> 00:38:07,250
Just my life story.
773
00:38:07,252 --> 00:38:11,021
You know, just -- just --
just going through struggles.
774
00:38:11,023 --> 00:38:14,224
Sitting in jail,
I had to find change.
775
00:38:14,226 --> 00:38:16,660
I was on a path to --
776
00:38:16,662 --> 00:38:19,696
when you look at my
grandfather -- life in prison.
777
00:38:19,698 --> 00:38:22,165
You look at my father -- dead.
778
00:38:22,167 --> 00:38:23,833
I'm a third-generation.
779
00:38:23,835 --> 00:38:25,535
What's gonna happen to me?
780
00:38:25,537 --> 00:38:27,404
I'm gonna end up --
I'll be dead.
781
00:38:27,406 --> 00:38:30,974
I'll be dead or locked up
for the rest of my life.
782
00:38:30,976 --> 00:38:33,810
Do you think
a lot of the hardships --
783
00:38:33,812 --> 00:38:37,113
just the affiliation
of your grandfather
784
00:38:37,115 --> 00:38:39,849
and what he's done
and trying to cope with that --
785
00:38:39,851 --> 00:38:43,920
did you have issues
just trying to accept that?
786
00:38:43,922 --> 00:38:47,891
I've got a personality
that's just --
787
00:38:47,893 --> 00:38:51,861
like my mind's
overwhelmed with, um...
788
00:38:51,863 --> 00:38:53,263
Thoughts.
Thoughts.
789
00:38:53,265 --> 00:38:55,165
We're alike.
Yeah.
790
00:38:55,167 --> 00:38:56,966
We're definitely alike.
Yeah.
791
00:38:56,968 --> 00:38:59,102
Let me ask you a question, okay?
792
00:38:59,104 --> 00:39:02,572
To your right, there's
a little TV sitting there.
793
00:39:02,574 --> 00:39:05,642
Apparently, this is your
grandfather's television set.
794
00:39:05,644 --> 00:39:11,081
There's a manual here
with some writing on it.
795
00:39:13,852 --> 00:39:16,553
Can you tell if that's
your grandfather's writing?
796
00:39:16,555 --> 00:39:17,721
Yeah. For sure.
797
00:39:17,723 --> 00:39:19,022
Is it?
798
00:39:19,024 --> 00:39:20,223
Yeah.
799
00:39:20,225 --> 00:39:22,459
That is? Okay.
800
00:39:22,461 --> 00:39:25,328
You've authenticated
Charles Manson's writing
801
00:39:25,330 --> 00:39:27,097
on there, and you didn't get up
and look at it.
802
00:39:27,099 --> 00:39:29,099
This is an old TV.
803
00:39:29,101 --> 00:39:31,000
Do you think
that your grandfather
804
00:39:31,002 --> 00:39:33,770
infuses his energy
into his objects?
805
00:39:33,772 --> 00:39:35,472
Yeah. Yeah.
806
00:39:35,474 --> 00:39:36,806
When you get his letters,
807
00:39:36,808 --> 00:39:38,908
can you feel something
from the letters?
808
00:39:38,910 --> 00:39:40,043
I feel energy.
809
00:39:40,045 --> 00:39:41,444
Mental power?
810
00:39:41,446 --> 00:39:44,047
Yeah. Yeah, on both sides.
You know, it's good and evil.
811
00:39:44,049 --> 00:39:47,951
I mean, we're all made up
of good and evil.
812
00:39:53,158 --> 00:39:55,225
Really powerful, man,
to hear your story
813
00:39:55,227 --> 00:39:58,395
what you've overcome,
how you are now.
814
00:39:58,397 --> 00:40:03,466
I want to lift that curse
off my family name.
815
00:40:03,468 --> 00:40:06,069
I want to be baptized.
816
00:40:06,071 --> 00:40:10,907
I just want to show the world
that change is within us.
817
00:40:11,710 --> 00:40:13,042
I want people to see
818
00:40:13,044 --> 00:40:18,782
that if I can change,
with my family roots,
819
00:40:18,784 --> 00:40:21,151
that everybody's got
the opportunity
820
00:40:21,153 --> 00:40:23,853
to make a change in your lives
821
00:40:23,855 --> 00:40:25,889
and if they can build
their energy
822
00:40:25,891 --> 00:40:28,858
off the positive energy
that I carry and that I have,
823
00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:31,327
even though
I've been through the gauntlet.
824
00:40:31,329 --> 00:40:34,798
Well, being here right now,
this is your first step.
825
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,132
We're gonna be a part of it
826
00:40:36,134 --> 00:40:37,901
'cause we've arranged
for this baptism,
827
00:40:37,903 --> 00:40:39,002
and we're gonna do it.
828
00:40:39,004 --> 00:40:40,303
Really?
Yeah.
829
00:40:40,305 --> 00:40:41,604
All right?
830
00:40:41,606 --> 00:40:49,078
I want to put on a shirt
that my grandfather sent to me.
831
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,715
And I want to wear that shirt
in the baptism.
832
00:40:52,717 --> 00:40:53,783
Absolutely.
833
00:40:53,785 --> 00:40:55,885
And I want to lift this curse
off our name.
834
00:40:55,887 --> 00:40:58,021
All right.
835
00:40:58,023 --> 00:40:59,489
So you're ready?
I'm ready.
836
00:40:59,491 --> 00:41:00,924
Let's do it.
Let's rock.
837
00:41:00,926 --> 00:41:01,724
All right, brother.
838
00:41:03,161 --> 00:41:05,728
Good job, man.
Let's go do it.
839
00:41:07,566 --> 00:41:11,000
Jason came to me looking
for a way to cleanse his past,
840
00:41:11,002 --> 00:41:13,470
so I have arranged
for a local pastor
841
00:41:13,472 --> 00:41:15,004
to perform a baptism.
842
00:41:15,006 --> 00:41:17,607
As a symbol,
Jason wants to wear a shirt
843
00:41:17,609 --> 00:41:21,211
that was a gift from
Charles Manson, his grandfather.
844
00:41:21,213 --> 00:41:24,681
This shirt that I'll be wearing
in the baptism
845
00:41:24,683 --> 00:41:26,649
is a gift
straight from my grandfather.
846
00:41:26,651 --> 00:41:28,785
Ready?
847
00:41:28,787 --> 00:41:30,253
I'm always ready.
848
00:41:30,255 --> 00:41:31,821
I definitely want to be baptized
849
00:41:31,823 --> 00:41:35,124
to lift this curse
from my family's name,
850
00:41:35,126 --> 00:41:36,893
to lift the burden
off my shoulders
851
00:41:36,895 --> 00:41:42,565
and just give the family name
a new start, a fresh start,
852
00:41:42,567 --> 00:41:43,700
starting with me.
853
00:41:47,572 --> 00:41:49,506
Pastor Doug.
Nice to meet you.
854
00:41:49,508 --> 00:41:52,008
Thank you for meeting us.
This is Jason.
855
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:53,443
Jason. Doug.
Nice to meet you, sir.
856
00:41:53,445 --> 00:41:55,612
All right, shall we begin?
Let's do it.
857
00:41:59,017 --> 00:42:00,917
Go ahead and sit down,
if you would.
858
00:42:02,621 --> 00:42:04,020
Jason, I baptize you
859
00:42:04,022 --> 00:42:07,891
in the name of the Father,
the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
860
00:42:15,166 --> 00:42:17,133
Right on, man!
Cool!
861
00:42:17,135 --> 00:42:19,402
Hopefully, this will
give Jason a fresh start
862
00:42:19,404 --> 00:42:21,838
and lift the curse
off his family's name.
863
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,540
All right,
here's to new beginnings.
864
00:42:23,542 --> 00:42:24,707
New beginnings, brother.
865
00:42:24,709 --> 00:42:25,775
Right on.
64623
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