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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,069 --> 00:00:03,804 (downbeat music) 2 00:00:17,808 --> 00:00:19,910 [Narrator] On the 17th of June, 2015, 3 00:00:20,278 --> 00:00:22,380 Charleston in South Carolina saw one 4 00:00:22,382 --> 00:00:24,750 of the worst racially motivated killings 5 00:00:24,751 --> 00:00:26,987 in recent American history. 6 00:00:30,690 --> 00:00:32,926 Nine black worshipers were shot dead 7 00:00:32,927 --> 00:00:36,931 during a prayer meeting at this downtown church. 8 00:00:40,634 --> 00:00:44,871 The killer was identified as 21 year old white supremacist 9 00:00:44,872 --> 00:00:45,873 Dylann Roof. 10 00:00:47,241 --> 00:00:49,142 He confessed to committing the massacre 11 00:00:49,143 --> 00:00:52,079 in the hope of igniting a race war. 12 00:00:55,115 --> 00:00:58,484 All of America was shocked but in the southern state, 13 00:00:58,485 --> 00:01:01,154 where race has been an issue for centuries, 14 00:01:01,155 --> 00:01:03,589 the shooting also triggered a passionate argument 15 00:01:03,590 --> 00:01:04,825 about the past. 16 00:01:06,801 --> 00:01:10,003 Much of it focused on the Confederate battle flag. 17 00:01:10,004 --> 00:01:14,174 For many, the very symbol of racism and hate 18 00:01:14,175 --> 00:01:16,843 but what is it about the past that stokes the flames 19 00:01:16,844 --> 00:01:18,112 of racism here? 20 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,214 That's the question that interests me 21 00:01:21,215 --> 00:01:22,615 because it seems that the bedrock 22 00:01:22,616 --> 00:01:24,584 of the southern states of America, 23 00:01:24,585 --> 00:01:27,387 the old, confederate, deep south is, 24 00:01:27,388 --> 00:01:31,291 deep down, more than a little Scottish. 25 00:01:31,292 --> 00:01:32,993 He lifted the blazing emblem. 26 00:01:32,994 --> 00:01:35,295 The fiery cross of old Scotland's hill. 27 00:01:35,296 --> 00:01:38,598 It would become the most identifiable symbols 28 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:42,435 of race hatred, of the Ku Klux Klan. 29 00:01:42,436 --> 00:01:43,837 I think that white southerners 30 00:01:43,838 --> 00:01:46,673 do think of themselves as Celts. 31 00:01:46,674 --> 00:01:49,109 It is absolutely a core idea for a lot 32 00:01:49,110 --> 00:01:51,644 of these white supremacist groups 33 00:01:51,645 --> 00:01:53,413 including the original Klan which of course 34 00:01:53,414 --> 00:01:55,982 was thinking of Scottish clans with a C 35 00:01:55,983 --> 00:02:00,121 when they called themselves the Ku Klux Klan with a K. 36 00:02:05,860 --> 00:02:07,728 I've spent a lot of time celebrating 37 00:02:07,729 --> 00:02:10,296 the legacy of Scots who left home 38 00:02:10,297 --> 00:02:11,832 and helped lay the foundations 39 00:02:11,833 --> 00:02:14,567 of the United States of America. 40 00:02:14,568 --> 00:02:17,537 When they arrived here, they had the chance 41 00:02:17,538 --> 00:02:21,108 to create something new, something perfect. 42 00:02:22,009 --> 00:02:23,010 A new world. 43 00:02:24,078 --> 00:02:25,311 A (mumbling) of the signatories 44 00:02:25,312 --> 00:02:28,214 of the Declaration of Independence were Scots. 45 00:02:28,215 --> 00:02:30,616 The pursuit of happiness, the most famous part 46 00:02:30,617 --> 00:02:34,455 of the declaration is arguably a Scottish idea 47 00:02:35,489 --> 00:02:38,024 but the new world is not perfect 48 00:02:38,025 --> 00:02:40,693 and I want to find out why. 49 00:02:40,694 --> 00:02:42,662 If the Scots had a significant hand 50 00:02:42,663 --> 00:02:45,131 in conjuring the American dream, 51 00:02:45,132 --> 00:02:47,000 to what extent were they also responsible 52 00:02:47,001 --> 00:02:49,002 for the nightmare? 53 00:02:49,003 --> 00:02:51,271 That ugliest of stains. 54 00:02:51,272 --> 00:02:55,541 The bloody, violent history of race hatred 55 00:02:55,542 --> 00:02:58,312 that blights America to this day. 56 00:03:14,361 --> 00:03:16,296 I'm traveling over 2,000 miles 57 00:03:16,297 --> 00:03:18,765 of the southern states of America. 58 00:03:18,766 --> 00:03:21,067 It's somewhere I've never been before 59 00:03:21,068 --> 00:03:24,170 and I'm going to explore how early Scottish immigration 60 00:03:24,171 --> 00:03:26,339 evolved and see whether it's had 61 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:29,844 an enduring impact on race relations here. 62 00:03:31,779 --> 00:03:34,781 This seems like a natural place to start 63 00:03:34,782 --> 00:03:36,682 as I'm told it's living evidence 64 00:03:36,683 --> 00:03:39,252 of the Scots that originally settled here. 65 00:03:39,253 --> 00:03:40,520 (bagpipe music) 66 00:03:40,521 --> 00:03:42,222 I'm in Greenville in South Carolina 67 00:03:42,223 --> 00:03:44,157 on the eve of an annual gathering 68 00:03:44,158 --> 00:03:46,659 for the highland games. 69 00:03:46,660 --> 00:03:48,261 I can hear the pipes. 70 00:03:48,262 --> 00:03:50,697 Must be Scottish people here. 71 00:04:04,078 --> 00:04:06,947 Come on people, let's hear you! 72 00:04:06,948 --> 00:04:08,314 We're Scottish American. 73 00:04:08,315 --> 00:04:11,517 Okay, you do the Scottish parts? 74 00:04:11,518 --> 00:04:13,820 We do tonight, yes, absolutely. 75 00:04:13,821 --> 00:04:15,455 You claim Scottish descent? 76 00:04:15,456 --> 00:04:16,656 Yes. 77 00:04:16,657 --> 00:04:18,925 If you were to score yourself out of 10 78 00:04:18,926 --> 00:04:22,896 as a Scot, what numbers would you give yourself? 79 00:04:22,897 --> 00:04:24,065 Today, a 10. 80 00:04:25,332 --> 00:04:26,632 I have a four year old. 81 00:04:26,633 --> 00:04:28,434 If I could get him out here, he's still scared 82 00:04:28,435 --> 00:04:31,037 of bagpipes, but as soon as I can get him over that 83 00:04:31,038 --> 00:04:32,538 it'll be fantastic. 84 00:04:32,539 --> 00:04:34,407 He's scared of bagpipes. 85 00:04:34,408 --> 00:04:37,344 That's a worrying, oh, there we go. 86 00:04:41,849 --> 00:04:43,616 The next day at the games proper 87 00:04:43,617 --> 00:04:45,385 I asked yet more (mumbling) Scots 88 00:04:45,386 --> 00:04:47,420 what they thought of the effect 89 00:04:47,421 --> 00:04:50,056 of Scottish migration to the states. 90 00:04:50,057 --> 00:04:51,324 They influenced everything. 91 00:04:51,325 --> 00:04:53,226 The first governor of South Carolina 92 00:04:53,227 --> 00:04:55,395 was a boy from Oxfordshire and he very quickly 93 00:04:55,396 --> 00:04:57,163 wanted state laws that reflected 94 00:04:57,164 --> 00:05:00,100 the way things were back in Scotland. 95 00:05:00,101 --> 00:05:02,135 (cheering) 96 00:05:02,136 --> 00:05:03,636 Some historians will tell you 97 00:05:03,637 --> 00:05:06,606 to look at the Confederate flag from the civil war, 98 00:05:06,607 --> 00:05:09,542 very similar to St. Andrews in terms of design 99 00:05:09,543 --> 00:05:11,344 and they see a connection there 100 00:05:11,345 --> 00:05:12,979 because it was a lot of Scottish heritage 101 00:05:12,980 --> 00:05:14,447 in those early days. 102 00:05:14,448 --> 00:05:15,848 Coming from a place where you weren't allowed 103 00:05:15,849 --> 00:05:17,150 to have your own land and you felt 104 00:05:17,151 --> 00:05:18,952 you were kept down by the landlords. 105 00:05:18,953 --> 00:05:20,987 The first thing you do when you get here is buy slaves. 106 00:05:20,988 --> 00:05:24,992 There's a kind of disjuncture there isn't there? 107 00:05:34,735 --> 00:05:37,471 (downbeat music) 108 00:05:41,175 --> 00:05:42,943 Greenville's not unique. 109 00:05:42,944 --> 00:05:44,810 All over the south I'm finding people 110 00:05:44,811 --> 00:05:46,646 who keep to describe themselves 111 00:05:46,647 --> 00:05:49,882 or their ancestors as Scottish. 112 00:05:49,883 --> 00:05:52,852 How and why did the Scots arrive here 113 00:05:52,853 --> 00:05:55,288 and what does that tell us about the nature 114 00:05:55,289 --> 00:05:56,857 of the south today? 115 00:06:00,594 --> 00:06:03,096 I found one man who has written extensively 116 00:06:03,097 --> 00:06:05,798 on trans-Atlantic immigration. 117 00:06:05,799 --> 00:06:07,600 Barry Vann has studied the subject 118 00:06:07,601 --> 00:06:10,271 in the United States and the UK. 119 00:06:12,073 --> 00:06:13,439 He brought me to one of the peaks 120 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,942 of the Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia 121 00:06:15,943 --> 00:06:18,544 to look down on the great Appalachian Valley 122 00:06:18,545 --> 00:06:20,646 that most of the early Scottish settlers 123 00:06:20,647 --> 00:06:24,084 would have passed through during the 18th century. 124 00:06:24,085 --> 00:06:26,486 - They were going to the frontier, looking for cheap land. 125 00:06:26,487 --> 00:06:27,887 Ran into those mountains. 126 00:06:27,888 --> 00:06:29,389 They couldn't go north because that land 127 00:06:29,390 --> 00:06:31,024 was already occupied and they couldn't 128 00:06:31,025 --> 00:06:32,625 go over the mountains because it was too difficult 129 00:06:32,626 --> 00:06:33,859 to get over them and they were probably 130 00:06:33,860 --> 00:06:35,461 hostile natives over there so they came 131 00:06:35,462 --> 00:06:37,397 down the valleys this way. 132 00:06:37,398 --> 00:06:39,865 It's such a massive undertaking for these people. 133 00:06:39,866 --> 00:06:41,367 What's driving it? 134 00:06:41,368 --> 00:06:44,470 One was economic because they were coming 135 00:06:44,471 --> 00:06:47,140 from a place where the lands that they had farmed 136 00:06:47,141 --> 00:06:49,475 for generations were no longer available to them 137 00:06:49,476 --> 00:06:50,977 'cause they weren't able to afford 138 00:06:50,978 --> 00:06:53,813 the money rent that was required to stay on those lands 139 00:06:53,814 --> 00:06:55,448 but here they could acquire lands 140 00:06:55,449 --> 00:06:58,318 and become their own lords. 141 00:06:58,319 --> 00:06:59,685 In lot of respects, they were trying 142 00:06:59,686 --> 00:07:02,522 to recreate the imagined Scotland 143 00:07:02,523 --> 00:07:05,958 that they had back there but they wanted it here 144 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:08,028 because they had more resources. 145 00:07:08,029 --> 00:07:10,796 Look at those beautiful trees, water was plentiful. 146 00:07:10,797 --> 00:07:13,133 Nice longer growing seasons. 147 00:07:13,134 --> 00:07:15,402 This was a bountiful place. 148 00:07:16,570 --> 00:07:18,738 This was the Scotland that they had imagined. 149 00:07:18,739 --> 00:07:20,140 Scotland 2.0. 150 00:07:20,141 --> 00:07:21,041 That's right. 151 00:07:21,042 --> 00:07:22,075 It's the upgrade. 152 00:07:22,076 --> 00:07:24,710 The upgrade, absolutely. 153 00:07:24,711 --> 00:07:26,812 [Host] But it wasn't just the prospect of a better future 154 00:07:26,813 --> 00:07:31,251 that drew Scots to what they called the back country. 155 00:07:31,252 --> 00:07:33,553 They were tempted here because of the reputation 156 00:07:33,554 --> 00:07:34,955 as fighting folk. 157 00:07:36,390 --> 00:07:38,824 Recruited to help defend the coastal areas 158 00:07:38,825 --> 00:07:40,860 already settled by the English 159 00:07:40,861 --> 00:07:44,297 from native Americans and the French. 160 00:07:44,298 --> 00:07:46,099 They wanted them to go to the back country, 161 00:07:46,100 --> 00:07:49,869 to this part of the state or colony at that time 162 00:07:49,870 --> 00:07:54,041 and to be a buffer zone against potential invasion. 163 00:07:55,942 --> 00:07:58,512 (gentle music) 164 00:08:05,952 --> 00:08:09,389 This is probably the oldest part of the cemetery right here 165 00:08:09,390 --> 00:08:11,624 and these are some of the founding families, 166 00:08:11,625 --> 00:08:13,259 second generation. 167 00:08:13,260 --> 00:08:15,395 Down in the valley lies the resting place 168 00:08:15,396 --> 00:08:18,064 of many of those early frontiers people. 169 00:08:18,065 --> 00:08:21,634 Yeah, look at that, Scott, Kirkpatrick, Bell. 170 00:08:21,635 --> 00:08:24,304 They came from Scotland and from Alston 171 00:08:24,305 --> 00:08:25,705 and they quickly exceeded the number 172 00:08:25,706 --> 00:08:28,475 of English settlers in the south. 173 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:30,876 Next to the graveyard, we can see 174 00:08:30,877 --> 00:08:33,214 what united these newcomers. 175 00:08:34,515 --> 00:08:36,182 This church is built on the site 176 00:08:36,183 --> 00:08:38,484 of one of the earliest Presbyterian places 177 00:08:38,485 --> 00:08:40,886 of worship in the area. 178 00:08:40,887 --> 00:08:43,456 Were they a happy lot, do you think, 179 00:08:43,457 --> 00:08:45,125 or were they coming in with lots 180 00:08:45,126 --> 00:08:47,961 of emotional and religious baggage 181 00:08:49,296 --> 00:08:53,166 on account of the old country they had left behind? 182 00:08:53,167 --> 00:08:54,767 When they got here, they were interested 183 00:08:54,768 --> 00:08:57,337 in acquiring land and they also knew 184 00:08:57,338 --> 00:08:59,805 that they were gonna be facing potential hostiles 185 00:08:59,806 --> 00:09:02,808 and so they were not necessarily coming here 186 00:09:02,809 --> 00:09:06,112 with an open hand saying we wanna be friends. 187 00:09:06,113 --> 00:09:07,680 They came here for the most part 188 00:09:07,681 --> 00:09:09,415 interested in farming if they could 189 00:09:09,416 --> 00:09:12,084 and they wanted to live in strategically important places. 190 00:09:12,085 --> 00:09:14,520 That's why we call them today hillbillies 191 00:09:14,521 --> 00:09:16,088 and hilltoppers because they wanted 192 00:09:16,089 --> 00:09:17,557 to live up in the hills where they could see 193 00:09:17,558 --> 00:09:18,991 the enemy coming. 194 00:09:18,992 --> 00:09:21,494 For those Presbyterians, who were the enemy? 195 00:09:21,495 --> 00:09:23,028 Who was it they thought was gonna come 196 00:09:23,029 --> 00:09:25,331 and attack them on their hills? 197 00:09:25,332 --> 00:09:27,767 Anybody who wasn't them. 198 00:09:27,768 --> 00:09:29,602 It could be the English because they 199 00:09:29,603 --> 00:09:32,472 had a history of conflict with the English. 200 00:09:32,473 --> 00:09:34,374 They had a history of conflict with the Catholics. 201 00:09:34,375 --> 00:09:35,908 They had a history of conflict 202 00:09:35,909 --> 00:09:39,846 with almost anybody who was not dissenting if you will. 203 00:09:41,215 --> 00:09:43,015 Some of those settlers, confident 204 00:09:43,016 --> 00:09:45,618 about who they were and just as importantly 205 00:09:45,619 --> 00:09:50,256 who they weren't strode out into the untamed back country 206 00:09:50,257 --> 00:09:54,428 moving further south and west with each generation. 207 00:10:05,306 --> 00:10:07,307 But at the end of the 18th century, 208 00:10:07,308 --> 00:10:08,774 the settlers simply way of life 209 00:10:08,775 --> 00:10:11,611 was transformed by something that changed the course 210 00:10:11,612 --> 00:10:14,281 of this part of America forever. 211 00:10:20,020 --> 00:10:22,423 It was the arrival of cotton. 212 00:10:24,124 --> 00:10:27,727 To the frontier farmers, the economics were simple. 213 00:10:27,728 --> 00:10:32,732 Cotton was a cash crop that brought relatively easy money. 214 00:10:32,733 --> 00:10:34,867 It also offered an easy life as long 215 00:10:34,868 --> 00:10:38,205 as those picking the cotton were slaves. 216 00:10:41,942 --> 00:10:45,545 As the cotton industry grew, so did slavery. 217 00:10:45,546 --> 00:10:48,381 By 1810, the number of slaves in the US 218 00:10:48,382 --> 00:10:51,617 rose to 1.2 million, almost double 219 00:10:51,618 --> 00:10:54,054 what it was 20 years earlier. 220 00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:59,859 Now, the descendants of many oppressed 221 00:10:59,860 --> 00:11:02,895 and downtrodden refugee Scots took the path 222 00:11:02,896 --> 00:11:06,300 of racism to become oppressors themselves 223 00:11:08,168 --> 00:11:10,303 and their simple farmhouses became 224 00:11:10,304 --> 00:11:13,407 increasingly grand plantation houses. 225 00:11:14,808 --> 00:11:18,578 Like this one, built in 1851 just outside Charleston 226 00:11:18,579 --> 00:11:20,814 by William Wallace McCleod. 227 00:11:22,949 --> 00:11:26,452 He owned one of the largest plantations in South Carolina 228 00:11:26,453 --> 00:11:29,622 but like many, he never forgot his roots. 229 00:11:29,623 --> 00:11:32,626 He called the grand house Inverness. 230 00:11:34,761 --> 00:11:36,462 The impression planters wanted to give 231 00:11:36,463 --> 00:11:39,799 was one of affluence and the most striking display 232 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,767 of wealth at that time was measured 233 00:11:41,768 --> 00:11:43,536 by the number of slave cabins 234 00:11:43,537 --> 00:11:46,373 that lined the drive to the house. 235 00:11:48,174 --> 00:11:49,776 Here there were 23. 236 00:11:51,612 --> 00:11:54,347 I asked Heather Williams to show me around. 237 00:11:54,348 --> 00:11:56,482 Not only is she an expert in slavery 238 00:11:56,483 --> 00:12:00,185 in the south but she's known this place for some time. 239 00:12:00,186 --> 00:12:02,688 When I first came to this place, 240 00:12:02,689 --> 00:12:06,860 for me it was a really powerful sense of the past. 241 00:12:09,062 --> 00:12:11,664 The cabins, it seemed as though slavery 242 00:12:11,665 --> 00:12:13,366 has just ended one day and everybody 243 00:12:13,367 --> 00:12:16,068 had packed up and left and that I had been, 244 00:12:16,069 --> 00:12:19,872 in a sense, transported back to that time period, 245 00:12:19,873 --> 00:12:21,207 the late 1860's. 246 00:12:22,576 --> 00:12:24,810 In order for a society to survive 247 00:12:24,811 --> 00:12:27,046 you need the top people who think 248 00:12:27,047 --> 00:12:29,081 and then you have the people who do the work. 249 00:12:29,082 --> 00:12:30,816 This is what James Henry Hammond said. 250 00:12:30,817 --> 00:12:33,853 He was a senator from South Carolina, 251 00:12:33,854 --> 00:12:35,788 governor and so on. 252 00:12:35,789 --> 00:12:38,824 You need a mud seal, he said, in the society 253 00:12:38,825 --> 00:12:41,126 and we have found them in these Africans 254 00:12:41,127 --> 00:12:43,195 who are so well-suited to do the work 255 00:12:43,196 --> 00:12:45,297 that we don't want to do. 256 00:12:45,298 --> 00:12:48,034 (downbeat music) 257 00:12:56,810 --> 00:12:59,044 They were legally owned. 258 00:12:59,045 --> 00:13:01,481 They could be sold, they could be traded, 259 00:13:01,482 --> 00:13:04,384 they could be given away, they could be mortgaged. 260 00:13:04,385 --> 00:13:06,786 People could transfer them. 261 00:13:06,787 --> 00:13:09,088 There was this perpetual sense 262 00:13:09,089 --> 00:13:11,557 that they would be punished if they didn't adhere 263 00:13:11,558 --> 00:13:13,727 to the rules of the place. 264 00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:19,799 So would this be about as good as it gets 265 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,101 for enslaved people? 266 00:13:22,102 --> 00:13:25,538 Yeah, I think, I've seen cabins made of brick 267 00:13:25,539 --> 00:13:28,307 which might have kept people a little bit warmer 268 00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:29,809 in the winter. 269 00:13:29,810 --> 00:13:31,411 I would think that there would be 270 00:13:31,412 --> 00:13:34,314 at least six, seven people in here. 271 00:13:35,916 --> 00:13:37,983 William Wallace McCleod enslaved up 272 00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:40,486 to a hundred people on his plantation 273 00:13:40,487 --> 00:13:44,425 while he lived the life of undoubted privilege. 274 00:13:55,869 --> 00:14:00,039 Being here in a place where slavery actually happened, 275 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,509 I have to admit I'm filled for the first time 276 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:07,514 with feelings of disbelief at the surreal nature 277 00:14:08,982 --> 00:14:13,053 of the life that those elite whites chose for themselves. 278 00:14:14,488 --> 00:14:18,191 How you get to the point where you can enjoy a life 279 00:14:19,593 --> 00:14:23,395 that is composed of people who are your captives 280 00:14:23,396 --> 00:14:25,731 who are around you in great numbers 281 00:14:25,732 --> 00:14:29,134 every minute of the day, doing things against their will 282 00:14:29,135 --> 00:14:31,571 for no pay, they cook your food, 283 00:14:31,572 --> 00:14:35,641 they work in the fields, they fix up the house. 284 00:14:35,642 --> 00:14:38,143 If it's a cold night, you would order one 285 00:14:38,144 --> 00:14:41,814 of them to lie across your feet on your bed 286 00:14:41,815 --> 00:14:43,550 so that you are warm. 287 00:14:48,955 --> 00:14:51,858 At what point does living like that 288 00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:55,729 feel in any sense normal? 289 00:15:00,266 --> 00:15:02,835 And it was another Scot who provided the bomb 290 00:15:02,836 --> 00:15:05,739 that made all this seem legitimate. 291 00:15:07,373 --> 00:15:09,709 By the mid 1800's, almost every house 292 00:15:09,710 --> 00:15:11,110 like this would have contained some 293 00:15:11,111 --> 00:15:15,748 of the many romantic novels of Sir Walter Scott. 294 00:15:15,749 --> 00:15:17,517 Scott's stories of gallant knights 295 00:15:17,518 --> 00:15:20,252 and brave highlanders set in a golden, 296 00:15:20,253 --> 00:15:22,989 mythical past were wildly popular 297 00:15:27,561 --> 00:15:30,530 but according to the American writer Mark Twain 298 00:15:30,531 --> 00:15:33,767 they merely fed this fantasy lifestyle. 299 00:15:35,401 --> 00:15:37,737 Twain felt the planters were modeling their lives 300 00:15:37,738 --> 00:15:41,273 on Scott's romantic vision of the old country, 301 00:15:41,274 --> 00:15:45,345 imagining themselves as lairds of their own clan. 302 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,113 He wrote that the civilization of the south 303 00:15:48,114 --> 00:15:51,316 in the 19th century is curiously confused 304 00:15:51,317 --> 00:15:53,418 and co-mingled with the Walter Scott 305 00:15:53,419 --> 00:15:56,321 middle age sham civilization. 306 00:15:56,322 --> 00:15:59,224 The inflated speech and the Georgian romanticism 307 00:15:59,225 --> 00:16:02,595 of an upset past that is dead and like a charity, 308 00:16:02,596 --> 00:16:04,197 ought to be buried. 309 00:16:05,566 --> 00:16:07,967 I think that for many people it felt 310 00:16:07,968 --> 00:16:11,704 as though it was something they were entitled to 311 00:16:11,705 --> 00:16:14,473 and I think that sense of entitlement 312 00:16:14,474 --> 00:16:17,242 then passed from generation to generation. 313 00:16:17,243 --> 00:16:19,244 This sense that you are supposed 314 00:16:19,245 --> 00:16:22,347 to have more than other people 315 00:16:22,348 --> 00:16:25,017 and that some people are supposed to serve 316 00:16:25,018 --> 00:16:27,252 and you are to be served. 317 00:16:27,253 --> 00:16:30,623 Twain also thought that Scott's heroic romanticism 318 00:16:30,624 --> 00:16:34,795 was partly responsible for the terrible war that followed. 319 00:16:38,765 --> 00:16:40,332 The northern states had wanted 320 00:16:40,333 --> 00:16:42,602 to limit the expansion of slavery 321 00:16:42,603 --> 00:16:46,706 just as the worldwide demand for cotton was booming. 322 00:16:46,707 --> 00:16:49,108 Southern state planters like William McCleod 323 00:16:49,109 --> 00:16:51,376 saw their whole lifestyle threatened 324 00:16:51,377 --> 00:16:53,679 and were willing to fight for it. 325 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:58,083 In 1861, the 11 slave states with cotton based economies 326 00:16:58,084 --> 00:17:02,755 left the union and a horrific four year war began. 327 00:17:02,756 --> 00:17:05,258 (guns firing) 328 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,462 Now, 150 years later, people flock 329 00:17:10,463 --> 00:17:13,398 to see the Civil War as entertainment 330 00:17:13,399 --> 00:17:15,701 and living history groups meet regularly 331 00:17:15,702 --> 00:17:18,804 to replay the battles again and again. 332 00:17:18,805 --> 00:17:21,674 This one is at Fort Hollingsworth in Georgia 333 00:17:21,675 --> 00:17:22,942 where reenactors from all 334 00:17:22,943 --> 00:17:25,911 over the southern states take part. 335 00:17:25,912 --> 00:17:28,513 What is it important to remember 336 00:17:28,514 --> 00:17:32,685 by taking part in and watching a reenactment like this? 337 00:17:32,686 --> 00:17:34,820 It's important to make sure that the people understand 338 00:17:34,821 --> 00:17:37,522 that what the history is all about. 339 00:17:37,523 --> 00:17:39,792 It's important that they remember that this 340 00:17:39,793 --> 00:17:42,494 is something that their ancestors fought for 341 00:17:42,495 --> 00:17:45,130 and something that's actually a part of them. 342 00:17:45,131 --> 00:17:48,100 This is something that they were born ingrained with 343 00:17:48,101 --> 00:17:49,835 and they should remember that. 344 00:17:49,836 --> 00:17:52,838 What does define the ancestors? 345 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:55,174 They didn't leave any of their culture behind. 346 00:17:55,175 --> 00:17:58,243 They just brought it here and used that culture 347 00:17:58,244 --> 00:18:01,346 and created something completely new. 348 00:18:01,347 --> 00:18:03,716 Even from the way we talk. 349 00:18:03,717 --> 00:18:06,451 Even down to the patterns in their clothes. 350 00:18:06,452 --> 00:18:10,189 When the Scots came here they brought with them the tartans. 351 00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:12,324 Our way of life is probably closer 352 00:18:12,325 --> 00:18:15,060 to those in Scotland that are now 353 00:18:15,061 --> 00:18:17,029 in this part of the country. 354 00:18:17,030 --> 00:18:20,332 We held on to a lot of their ways, I think we did. 355 00:18:20,333 --> 00:18:22,101 I think we did. 356 00:18:22,102 --> 00:18:24,870 [Host] What was lost when the war was lost? 357 00:18:24,871 --> 00:18:27,807 The way we lived, actually. 358 00:18:27,808 --> 00:18:31,643 They had plantations, a lot of folks had plantations 359 00:18:31,644 --> 00:18:35,816 and a lot of wealth and a lot of that was lost in the south. 360 00:18:37,718 --> 00:18:41,054 They had to go back and start life over. 361 00:18:42,989 --> 00:18:47,693 America's Civil War was immensely destructive. 362 00:18:47,694 --> 00:18:50,195 Well over half a million soldiers died 363 00:18:50,196 --> 00:18:54,367 and much of the south's infrastructure was ruined. 364 00:18:58,671 --> 00:19:00,740 For many whites, the greatest fear 365 00:19:00,741 --> 00:19:02,942 of all had just come true. 366 00:19:02,943 --> 00:19:05,211 The enslaved were now free. 367 00:19:06,679 --> 00:19:10,482 Not only that, but black men could also vote 368 00:19:10,483 --> 00:19:13,485 just as the vengeful north took away the right to vote 369 00:19:13,486 --> 00:19:16,923 for those that supported the Confederacy. 370 00:19:20,861 --> 00:19:24,263 Like the Jacobites in Scotland a hundred years earlier, 371 00:19:24,264 --> 00:19:27,499 the southern whites had lost everything 372 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:31,504 but now they too had a lost cause to believe in. 373 00:19:38,411 --> 00:19:41,613 That lost cause found its footing here 374 00:19:41,614 --> 00:19:45,550 in the neat streets of Pulaski in Tennessee. 375 00:19:45,551 --> 00:19:49,555 This is where things first started to turn ugly. 376 00:19:50,957 --> 00:19:53,692 I've come to meet local historian Bob Wamble 377 00:19:53,693 --> 00:19:56,028 to find out what happened in the town 378 00:19:56,029 --> 00:19:58,998 after the end of the Civil War. 379 00:19:58,999 --> 00:20:01,867 Bob, when the war was over and the soldiers came back 380 00:20:01,868 --> 00:20:04,736 what did they find here in Pulaski? 381 00:20:04,737 --> 00:20:07,706 Right here in town where we are, 382 00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:10,342 they found a courthouse and that was pretty much it. 383 00:20:10,343 --> 00:20:13,879 This entire side of the square was burned to the ground. 384 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,250 It was done by Union soldiers that were stationed here. 385 00:20:18,251 --> 00:20:19,584 There were all these Confederate soldiers 386 00:20:19,585 --> 00:20:21,787 that came home and had nothing. 387 00:20:21,788 --> 00:20:24,289 If they had owned a business before the war 388 00:20:24,290 --> 00:20:26,658 it was gone, it was burnt to the ground. 389 00:20:26,659 --> 00:20:29,728 They had no government, they had no law really. 390 00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:32,898 Anybody that had supported the Confederacy couldn't vote. 391 00:20:32,899 --> 00:20:35,567 Any law that was here, they didn't have a part of it. 392 00:20:35,568 --> 00:20:38,103 - [Host] So they were effectively aliens in their own town. 393 00:20:38,104 --> 00:20:40,272 [Bob] Yes, this was their home 394 00:20:40,273 --> 00:20:42,843 but it wasn't their government. 395 00:20:51,217 --> 00:20:52,751 The destruction here was typical 396 00:20:52,752 --> 00:20:55,320 of many towns in the south but this town 397 00:20:55,321 --> 00:20:59,224 has a claim to fame that it would rather forget. 398 00:20:59,225 --> 00:21:01,526 One group of former Confederate officers 399 00:21:01,527 --> 00:21:03,328 bold and fearful of the future 400 00:21:03,329 --> 00:21:05,197 now that black man had the vote, 401 00:21:05,198 --> 00:21:08,800 set up a secret fraternal society. 402 00:21:08,801 --> 00:21:10,002 They drew on ancient Greek 403 00:21:10,003 --> 00:21:13,172 and their Scottish heritage for the name. 404 00:21:13,173 --> 00:21:15,842 They called it the Ku Klux Klan. 405 00:21:19,379 --> 00:21:23,248 This is the spot where the Klan was formed. 406 00:21:23,249 --> 00:21:25,750 The Ku Klux Klan was six young men, 407 00:21:25,751 --> 00:21:28,353 met right here in this office 408 00:21:28,354 --> 00:21:31,223 and decided that they wanted to form an organization. 409 00:21:31,224 --> 00:21:34,126 This is a plaque showing this to people of Pulaski 410 00:21:34,127 --> 00:21:37,029 and they were proud of the Ku Klux Klan. 411 00:21:37,030 --> 00:21:39,164 The plaque is turned backwards. 412 00:21:39,165 --> 00:21:41,466 About probably 20, 25 years ago... 413 00:21:41,467 --> 00:21:43,435 [Host] Oh, it's got its face to the wall now. 414 00:21:43,436 --> 00:21:45,104 It's face is to the wall. 415 00:21:45,105 --> 00:21:47,706 The man that owned this building turned it around like that. 416 00:21:47,707 --> 00:21:50,075 So what's on the other side of the plaque? 417 00:21:50,076 --> 00:21:53,178 Well it lists the names of the young men 418 00:21:53,179 --> 00:21:54,980 that formed the Ku Klux Klan. 419 00:21:54,981 --> 00:21:58,217 I have a copy of it right here. 420 00:21:58,218 --> 00:21:59,784 [Host] These are the key players. 421 00:21:59,785 --> 00:22:02,121 Alvin Jones, John B. Kennedy. 422 00:22:02,122 --> 00:22:05,124 Frank O. McCord, John C. Lester, 423 00:22:05,125 --> 00:22:08,793 Richard R. Reed and James R. Crowe. 424 00:22:08,794 --> 00:22:10,329 They were all Confederate soldiers 425 00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:13,232 that had just come home just really 426 00:22:13,233 --> 00:22:14,799 didn't have anything better to do 427 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,038 than to form an organization just for amusement. 428 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:21,273 They played their musical instruments 429 00:22:21,274 --> 00:22:24,876 and sang songs and went out and serenaded the girls. 430 00:22:24,877 --> 00:22:27,012 They were out hunting all the pretty girls of Pulaski. 431 00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:30,315 [Host] Is that really all it was in its first form? 432 00:22:30,316 --> 00:22:33,886 Its very first stages, that's all it was. 433 00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:40,425 This photograph, discovered by Bob, 434 00:22:40,426 --> 00:22:42,394 is thought to show Frank McCord 435 00:22:42,395 --> 00:22:45,231 and the rest of the original Klan. 436 00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:49,201 It was John B. Kennedy who apparently suggested 437 00:22:49,202 --> 00:22:51,370 that they should call themselves a clan 438 00:22:51,371 --> 00:22:54,940 as they were all of Scotch Irish descent. 439 00:22:54,941 --> 00:22:56,508 Some of them were educated obviously 440 00:22:56,509 --> 00:23:00,012 because the drawing on Greek, kuklos is a circle 441 00:23:00,013 --> 00:23:02,414 and a clan is a family group 442 00:23:02,415 --> 00:23:06,586 that shares some kind of blood or a name, a surname. 443 00:23:08,021 --> 00:23:09,521 I think there's an intention there 444 00:23:09,522 --> 00:23:12,457 to declare yourself as a group 445 00:23:12,458 --> 00:23:16,629 that will stand shoulder to shoulder against outsiders. 446 00:23:22,735 --> 00:23:25,338 Pulaski has another revelation. 447 00:23:26,272 --> 00:23:27,872 Tucked behind this store front 448 00:23:27,873 --> 00:23:30,542 is a small scale opera house. 449 00:23:30,543 --> 00:23:32,477 A good place, it seems, to understand 450 00:23:32,478 --> 00:23:36,982 how the Klan moved from make believe to reality 451 00:23:36,983 --> 00:23:41,154 according to author and academic Elaine Frantz Parsons. 452 00:23:42,155 --> 00:23:43,990 Amazing, look at that. 453 00:23:45,425 --> 00:23:48,227 [Elaine] For a town this size, it is impressive. 454 00:23:48,228 --> 00:23:52,164 [Host] Created in 1867, almost exactly the same time 455 00:23:52,165 --> 00:23:55,967 as the Klan, this theater gives us a fascinating insight 456 00:23:55,968 --> 00:23:58,570 into what might have influenced them. 457 00:23:58,571 --> 00:24:00,839 They're trying to figure out who they are 458 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,708 and they're really interested particularly in culture. 459 00:24:03,709 --> 00:24:05,077 They don't have power anymore. 460 00:24:05,078 --> 00:24:07,212 They don't have politics but maybe 461 00:24:07,213 --> 00:24:09,981 they can keep culture or they can create a culture 462 00:24:09,982 --> 00:24:11,583 that means something. 463 00:24:11,584 --> 00:24:13,285 Particularly pretending they were in a different time 464 00:24:13,286 --> 00:24:16,521 and place pretending they were in the world 465 00:24:16,522 --> 00:24:20,559 of Sir Walter Scott I think was very attractive. 466 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,760 Just a couple of years after the war, 467 00:24:21,761 --> 00:24:24,796 they embark on this and it's all 468 00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:26,598 about theatrical and make believe. 469 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:29,401 Was that in forming the Klan as well? 470 00:24:29,402 --> 00:24:31,603 Was it about the costumes and pretend? 471 00:24:31,604 --> 00:24:32,904 Yeah, I think that's a really good way 472 00:24:32,905 --> 00:24:34,539 to think about it actually, 473 00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:37,442 that the world, the real world, wasn't something 474 00:24:37,443 --> 00:24:40,912 that they necessarily wanted to spend a lot of time in. 475 00:24:40,913 --> 00:24:43,048 I think that part of what happened 476 00:24:43,049 --> 00:24:45,617 is that they realized that this play 477 00:24:45,618 --> 00:24:48,687 that they were doing could be brought to bare 478 00:24:48,688 --> 00:24:51,356 on this competition, this problem 479 00:24:51,357 --> 00:24:55,360 that they were having with black claims to rights. 480 00:24:55,361 --> 00:24:56,795 If you were in the 19th century 481 00:24:56,796 --> 00:24:58,663 and you're going to the theater, 482 00:24:58,664 --> 00:25:00,932 a lot of the time you were going to a minstrel show 483 00:25:00,933 --> 00:25:02,367 and the minstrel show wasn't all 484 00:25:02,368 --> 00:25:04,136 about making fun of black people 485 00:25:04,137 --> 00:25:06,771 but that was an important part of the minstrel show 486 00:25:06,772 --> 00:25:09,774 and so part of what the Klan wanted to do 487 00:25:09,775 --> 00:25:12,911 was to force black people into situations 488 00:25:12,912 --> 00:25:15,580 where they looked ludicrous or ridiculous 489 00:25:15,581 --> 00:25:17,082 and what better way to do that 490 00:25:17,083 --> 00:25:19,384 than pretend like you're a monster 491 00:25:19,385 --> 00:25:22,221 and attack them and then tell everybody 492 00:25:22,222 --> 00:25:24,489 how scared they were by this monster. 493 00:25:24,490 --> 00:25:28,493 What flicks the switch from it being make believe, 494 00:25:28,494 --> 00:25:32,831 harmless, costumes, music, what flicks the switch 495 00:25:32,832 --> 00:25:34,833 and turns it into something sinister? 496 00:25:34,834 --> 00:25:38,003 We know that Frank McCord was trying 497 00:25:39,105 --> 00:25:41,306 to get up a mob during the time 498 00:25:41,307 --> 00:25:43,742 that the Klan seemed to have nothing to do with it, 499 00:25:43,743 --> 00:25:47,147 he is also interested in racial violence. 500 00:25:49,149 --> 00:25:51,650 The Klan soon moved on from theatricalities 501 00:25:51,651 --> 00:25:53,985 and threats, it became more violent 502 00:25:53,986 --> 00:25:56,355 and better organized. 503 00:25:56,356 --> 00:25:58,757 At the nearby state museum in Nashville, 504 00:25:58,758 --> 00:26:00,325 they have one of the few remaining documents 505 00:26:00,326 --> 00:26:01,893 from that time. 506 00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:05,830 What is in effect the Klan's constitution. 507 00:26:05,831 --> 00:26:09,201 It's a tiny little sliver of a thing. 508 00:26:09,202 --> 00:26:12,604 So this is one of the few remaining copies 509 00:26:12,605 --> 00:26:16,609 of what was the constitution of the Ku Klux Klan 510 00:26:18,010 --> 00:26:21,112 and you'll see at the front this is the constitution 511 00:26:21,113 --> 00:26:23,315 which they called the prescript. 512 00:26:23,316 --> 00:26:25,250 The prescript of the star, star, star 513 00:26:25,251 --> 00:26:28,853 which is what they used to stand for Ku Klux Klan. 514 00:26:28,854 --> 00:26:31,356 Then you have some Shakespearean verse 515 00:26:31,357 --> 00:26:34,759 and then down here we have Burns 516 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,331 so you can see the Scottish influence here. 517 00:26:39,699 --> 00:26:43,402 And then the Burns is about a certain ghoul, 518 00:26:43,403 --> 00:26:46,305 a certain ghost is around and drinking. 519 00:26:46,306 --> 00:26:49,140 We'll send him linking to your black pit 520 00:26:49,141 --> 00:26:51,310 but faith he'll turn a corner jinking 521 00:26:51,311 --> 00:26:52,877 and cheat you yet. 522 00:26:52,878 --> 00:26:55,380 So both are about things macabre. 523 00:26:55,381 --> 00:26:57,849 Yes, but they're also high culture. 524 00:26:57,850 --> 00:27:01,119 They're saying we aren't just a bunch of hayseeds. 525 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:02,621 It makes you wonder what Robert Burns himself 526 00:27:02,622 --> 00:27:03,888 would have thought had he known 527 00:27:03,889 --> 00:27:05,224 that some of his verse was gonna be included 528 00:27:05,225 --> 00:27:07,025 in such a document. 529 00:27:07,026 --> 00:27:09,261 You know the man that rights a man's a man for all that 530 00:27:09,262 --> 00:27:11,630 to then find one of his verses 531 00:27:11,631 --> 00:27:14,967 publicizing the aspirations of a society 532 00:27:17,002 --> 00:27:18,838 like the Ku Klux Klan. 533 00:27:20,906 --> 00:27:23,742 The Klan now had rules and roles. 534 00:27:23,743 --> 00:27:26,110 It had become a serious organization, 535 00:27:26,111 --> 00:27:29,013 an invisible army dedicated to reestablishing 536 00:27:29,014 --> 00:27:31,784 the status of the southern whites 537 00:27:35,054 --> 00:27:37,456 and this is what the Klan looked like. 538 00:27:37,457 --> 00:27:39,258 This is an exact replica of one 539 00:27:39,259 --> 00:27:43,362 of the original outfits they wore in Pulaski. 540 00:27:43,363 --> 00:27:46,298 You can see how frightening that would be 541 00:27:46,299 --> 00:27:48,300 if somebody appeared out of the dark 542 00:27:48,301 --> 00:27:49,768 dressed like that. 543 00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:51,936 Absolutely terrifying. 544 00:27:51,937 --> 00:27:54,205 It's important to note these were not uniforms. 545 00:27:54,206 --> 00:27:55,840 These were costumes. 546 00:27:55,841 --> 00:27:57,442 These are expressing a cultural thing. 547 00:27:57,443 --> 00:27:59,411 They're not expressing that they're, 548 00:27:59,412 --> 00:28:02,481 it's not an army-like uniform. 549 00:28:02,482 --> 00:28:04,583 This is a very chaotic mask. 550 00:28:04,584 --> 00:28:08,152 Maybe this colorful thread up here, 551 00:28:08,153 --> 00:28:11,723 this red thread used to put this black eyebrow on, 552 00:28:11,724 --> 00:28:13,758 that seems like it's deliberate, right, 553 00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:16,928 you're meant to see how sloppily made this was. 554 00:28:16,929 --> 00:28:18,196 Imagine if you opened your front door 555 00:28:18,197 --> 00:28:19,531 and that character was standing there 556 00:28:19,532 --> 00:28:22,000 brandishing a weapon or whatever. 557 00:28:22,001 --> 00:28:24,770 Yeah, no, it's very terrifying. 558 00:28:38,083 --> 00:28:41,353 In Pulaski, the Klan became increasingly popular 559 00:28:41,354 --> 00:28:43,054 with the white population. 560 00:28:43,055 --> 00:28:46,257 News spread, especially as Frank McCord's brother 561 00:28:46,258 --> 00:28:49,995 ran the local newspaper, The Pulaski Citizen. 562 00:28:51,096 --> 00:28:52,864 The stories printed in the Citizen 563 00:28:52,865 --> 00:28:54,833 helped publicize the Klan 564 00:28:54,834 --> 00:28:56,968 and reassured the white population 565 00:28:56,969 --> 00:28:58,703 that something was being done 566 00:28:58,704 --> 00:29:02,774 to keep the former slaves in their place. 567 00:29:02,775 --> 00:29:05,209 Many potential black voters received crude 568 00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:07,879 and menacing messages like this letter 569 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,051 from a Ku Klux ghost ordering them which way to vote. 570 00:29:14,286 --> 00:29:16,688 Other copycat Klans were soon formed 571 00:29:16,689 --> 00:29:19,023 by more bored and better southerners 572 00:29:19,024 --> 00:29:21,926 in nearby states only now, 573 00:29:21,927 --> 00:29:26,498 the theatricalities had turned very ugly indeed. 574 00:29:26,499 --> 00:29:28,933 Groups of white men would come out 575 00:29:28,934 --> 00:29:31,771 in the evening to a home, a cabin, 576 00:29:33,072 --> 00:29:35,039 and find the man of the house there, 577 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,609 take him from his home, and then 578 00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:39,878 they would either whip them to try 579 00:29:39,879 --> 00:29:42,414 to tell them to change their behavior, 580 00:29:42,415 --> 00:29:45,183 to punish them for something that they had apparently done, 581 00:29:45,184 --> 00:29:47,352 or they would kill that person. 582 00:29:47,353 --> 00:29:49,053 Kill them either by shooting them 583 00:29:49,054 --> 00:29:50,656 or by hanging them. 584 00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:55,259 What happened when the Klan spread 585 00:29:55,260 --> 00:29:58,430 was that existing white on black violence 586 00:29:58,431 --> 00:30:02,333 which was pervasive throughout the south already, 587 00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:05,704 that that comes to be called Klan violence 588 00:30:05,705 --> 00:30:09,007 and when it comes to be called Klan violence 589 00:30:09,008 --> 00:30:10,175 it gets worse. 590 00:30:11,276 --> 00:30:13,177 People have an additional impetus, 591 00:30:13,178 --> 00:30:15,580 they feel like they're part of a collective project. 592 00:30:15,581 --> 00:30:17,882 They're doing something for the south. 593 00:30:17,883 --> 00:30:21,386 They're not just some guy attacking their black neighbor 594 00:30:21,387 --> 00:30:24,489 who's competing with them for property rights. 595 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:27,326 They are now a Klans or a Ku Klux. 596 00:30:33,533 --> 00:30:35,867 By the late 1860's, a reign of terror 597 00:30:35,868 --> 00:30:40,039 existed throughout much of the former Confederacy. 598 00:30:50,215 --> 00:30:51,916 By the time the federal government 599 00:30:51,917 --> 00:30:54,686 had brought in legislation against the Klan, 600 00:30:54,687 --> 00:30:57,722 much of the groups work had already been done. 601 00:30:57,723 --> 00:31:01,660 Violence had successfully kept most blacks from the polls 602 00:31:01,661 --> 00:31:04,328 and the few that had taken up any civic office 603 00:31:04,329 --> 00:31:07,767 had already been brutally beaten or hung. 604 00:31:14,339 --> 00:31:17,442 With the black population now successfully terrorized, 605 00:31:17,443 --> 00:31:19,444 white state government brought in laws 606 00:31:19,445 --> 00:31:21,614 that segregated the races. 607 00:31:24,550 --> 00:31:27,486 They were mockingly known as Jim Crow laws 608 00:31:27,487 --> 00:31:31,056 after a black character in a minstrel show. 609 00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:37,195 Now, living separate lives, the white population 610 00:31:37,196 --> 00:31:39,363 of the southern states relaxed, 611 00:31:39,364 --> 00:31:42,635 less fearful of those who were not them 612 00:31:43,803 --> 00:31:46,939 except the fear never really went away. 613 00:31:55,581 --> 00:31:59,117 This is Atlanta, now the bustling modern business hub 614 00:31:59,118 --> 00:32:00,553 of the deep south. 615 00:32:01,721 --> 00:32:04,222 In the early 1900's, it was also the place 616 00:32:04,223 --> 00:32:07,191 where the Klan was reborn. 617 00:32:07,192 --> 00:32:09,561 We might never have heard from the Klan again 618 00:32:09,562 --> 00:32:12,964 but for the efforts of one man, Thomas Dixon. 619 00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:14,398 He wrote this book. 620 00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:17,502 It published in 1905 and in it, 621 00:32:17,503 --> 00:32:20,104 he transformed the members of the Klan 622 00:32:20,105 --> 00:32:22,274 from villains into heroes. 623 00:32:23,843 --> 00:32:26,110 Dixon was born in North Carolina. 624 00:32:26,111 --> 00:32:30,481 The son of a Scotch minister and plantation owner. 625 00:32:30,482 --> 00:32:33,284 He went on to become a southern Baptist minister, 626 00:32:33,285 --> 00:32:34,887 lawyer, and author. 627 00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:41,761 His novel was called The Clansman and it was a big seller. 628 00:32:43,195 --> 00:32:47,266 It was subtitled An Historical Romance of the Ku Klux Klan 629 00:32:48,734 --> 00:32:52,838 and it imagined a future where the racial divide is reverse 630 00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:57,309 and it is the white man that is in chains. 631 00:32:59,144 --> 00:33:00,845 Now I'm sure if you were to take the time 632 00:33:00,846 --> 00:33:02,981 to weave through this tome, you would agree 633 00:33:02,982 --> 00:33:05,483 that it's pretty dreadful. 634 00:33:05,484 --> 00:33:07,886 I offer you part of one chapter 635 00:33:07,887 --> 00:33:12,056 in which Dixon imagines a future for America 636 00:33:12,057 --> 00:33:15,193 in which the black man is in charge. 637 00:33:15,194 --> 00:33:17,328 As he passed inside the doors of the house 638 00:33:17,329 --> 00:33:20,599 of representatives, the rush of foul air staggered him. 639 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,366 The hall was packed with negroes 640 00:33:22,367 --> 00:33:26,204 smoking, chewing, jabbering, pushing, perspiring. 641 00:33:26,205 --> 00:33:28,673 The doctor surveyed the hall in dismay. 642 00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:31,342 At first, not a white member was visible. 643 00:33:31,343 --> 00:33:33,311 The galleries were packed with negroes. 644 00:33:33,312 --> 00:33:35,379 The speaker presiding was a negro. 645 00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:36,981 The clerk, a negro. 646 00:33:36,982 --> 00:33:38,717 The doorkeepers, negroes. 647 00:33:38,718 --> 00:33:41,986 The little pages all coal black negroes. 648 00:33:41,987 --> 00:33:43,822 The remains of aryan civilization 649 00:33:43,823 --> 00:33:46,557 were represented by 23 white men 650 00:33:46,558 --> 00:33:49,561 from the Scotch Irish hill counties. 651 00:33:53,899 --> 00:33:55,299 When the book was published, 652 00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:57,401 it caused a literary explosion 653 00:33:57,402 --> 00:33:59,938 and when it transferred to the stage as a play 654 00:33:59,939 --> 00:34:03,074 it provoked riots, not just in this city 655 00:34:03,075 --> 00:34:04,977 but all across America. 656 00:34:08,781 --> 00:34:11,015 When the play premiered at the Grand Opera House 657 00:34:11,016 --> 00:34:13,918 here in Atlanta in October of 1905, 658 00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:17,355 the segregated audience went wild. 659 00:34:17,356 --> 00:34:19,891 Tom Rice has studied what happened. 660 00:34:19,892 --> 00:34:22,126 The reports stressed that the house lights 661 00:34:22,127 --> 00:34:24,896 were kept on, that the sell of soda bottles 662 00:34:24,897 --> 00:34:26,397 was prohibited because they were worried 663 00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:29,734 they were gonna get hurled around the theater. 664 00:34:29,735 --> 00:34:33,137 Absolutely had tapped into this culture 665 00:34:33,138 --> 00:34:36,641 of fear, these anxieties about racial integration 666 00:34:36,642 --> 00:34:39,778 and race relations that were really prevalent 667 00:34:39,779 --> 00:34:43,748 in Atlanta and across the south at this moment. 668 00:34:43,749 --> 00:34:45,650 [Host] Dixon took his Scottish heritage 669 00:34:45,651 --> 00:34:47,618 and paraded it in his work. 670 00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:49,688 Inside the front cover of his novel, 671 00:34:49,689 --> 00:34:51,723 the dedication reads to the memory 672 00:34:51,724 --> 00:34:54,158 of a Scotch Irish leader of the south, 673 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,895 my uncle, Colonel Leroy McAfee, 674 00:34:56,896 --> 00:35:00,932 grand titan of the invisible empire, Ku Klux Klan 675 00:35:00,933 --> 00:35:04,903 and it's not the only reference to a Scottish past. 676 00:35:04,904 --> 00:35:06,604 Clearly the title The Clansman 677 00:35:06,605 --> 00:35:09,240 does make a connection with the Scottish roots here. 678 00:35:09,241 --> 00:35:10,809 We can see it even in the title 679 00:35:10,810 --> 00:35:13,211 of the main family here, the Cameron's. 680 00:35:13,212 --> 00:35:14,713 It was settled by the Scotch folk 681 00:35:14,714 --> 00:35:16,214 who came from the north of Ireland, 682 00:35:16,215 --> 00:35:19,283 the great migrations which gave America 300,000 people 683 00:35:19,284 --> 00:35:21,019 of covenants and martyr blood, 684 00:35:21,020 --> 00:35:22,620 the largest and most important addition 685 00:35:22,621 --> 00:35:23,855 to our population. 686 00:35:23,856 --> 00:35:26,157 He's really thinking about the makeup 687 00:35:26,158 --> 00:35:29,093 of the American south and of this area 688 00:35:29,094 --> 00:35:31,295 but internal so of the Klan, 689 00:35:31,296 --> 00:35:33,965 of what would create the Ku Klux Klan here. 690 00:35:33,966 --> 00:35:36,200 High above his head in the darkness of the cave, 691 00:35:36,201 --> 00:35:38,102 he lifted the blazing emblem. 692 00:35:38,103 --> 00:35:40,438 The fiery cross of old Scotland's hill. 693 00:35:40,439 --> 00:35:42,774 I quench its flames in the sweetest blood 694 00:35:42,775 --> 00:35:45,476 that ever stained the sands of time. 695 00:35:45,477 --> 00:35:46,778 And here we've got the fiery cross. 696 00:35:46,779 --> 00:35:49,447 This is not a feature of the original Klan. 697 00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:51,549 It's created here by Dixon. 698 00:35:51,550 --> 00:35:54,986 It would become one of the most identifiable symbols 699 00:35:54,987 --> 00:35:57,923 of race hatred, of the Ku Klux Klan 700 00:35:59,158 --> 00:36:01,793 and it's still today widely identified 701 00:36:01,794 --> 00:36:04,495 with the Klan and here he's saying, 702 00:36:04,496 --> 00:36:06,630 this is the fiery cross of old Scotland's hills. 703 00:36:06,631 --> 00:36:10,803 It's creating a history and a heritage for this here. 704 00:36:13,739 --> 00:36:15,439 The full impact of Dixon's novel 705 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,042 was felt much more widely when 10 years 706 00:36:18,043 --> 00:36:21,312 after its publication it was released as a film 707 00:36:21,313 --> 00:36:24,482 touted then and still lauded now 708 00:36:24,483 --> 00:36:26,418 as an epic of its time. 709 00:36:29,755 --> 00:36:31,589 The Birth of a Nation directed 710 00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:34,092 by Hollywood superstar D.W. Griffith 711 00:36:34,093 --> 00:36:37,095 let Dixon's work reach a much bigger audience 712 00:36:37,096 --> 00:36:39,164 and it was a massive hit. 713 00:36:41,633 --> 00:36:43,634 The budget was huge and the direction 714 00:36:43,635 --> 00:36:45,736 was groundbreaking but the story 715 00:36:45,737 --> 00:36:48,240 was as racist as Dixon's book. 716 00:36:58,884 --> 00:37:01,185 Charlene Regester is a film academic 717 00:37:01,186 --> 00:37:03,554 and remembers her first reaction. 718 00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:06,590 I saw Birth of a Nation when I was a graduate student. 719 00:37:06,591 --> 00:37:08,326 Of course some of the scenes that we saw 720 00:37:08,327 --> 00:37:10,761 were very inflammatory. 721 00:37:10,762 --> 00:37:13,598 They showed us alleged rape scene. 722 00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:18,970 The scene where Gus is chasing the woman 723 00:37:18,971 --> 00:37:22,640 who jumps off the cliff onto the ground 724 00:37:22,641 --> 00:37:25,377 and so it was very offensive then 725 00:37:26,578 --> 00:37:29,513 and it's probably still equally offensive today. 726 00:37:29,514 --> 00:37:32,050 It was a racially incisive story 727 00:37:32,051 --> 00:37:34,018 and it was about black male predators, 728 00:37:34,019 --> 00:37:37,588 black male racists, it was about miscegenation 729 00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,490 and it was about the Ku Klux Klan 730 00:37:39,491 --> 00:37:42,226 rescuing the south and white supremacy 731 00:37:42,227 --> 00:37:45,463 and I think all of the variables together 732 00:37:45,464 --> 00:37:47,531 is what made it so volatile. 733 00:37:47,532 --> 00:37:51,703 Did the film work as a PR exercising for the Klan? 734 00:37:53,472 --> 00:37:55,706 It certainly made them almost appear 735 00:37:55,707 --> 00:37:57,775 as though they're heroic and also 736 00:37:57,776 --> 00:37:59,610 at the end of the film they have one 737 00:37:59,611 --> 00:38:03,715 of the white characters who unveils as a Klan member. 738 00:38:05,284 --> 00:38:07,151 They're making them look like they're the saviors 739 00:38:07,152 --> 00:38:10,021 of the day, they saved the south, 740 00:38:10,022 --> 00:38:14,193 and certainly coincided with the rise of the Ku Klux Klan. 741 00:38:17,496 --> 00:38:19,563 I think it glamorized the Klan 742 00:38:19,564 --> 00:38:23,134 and made it a desirable organization to belong to 743 00:38:23,135 --> 00:38:26,570 as a way of restoring order and I guess 744 00:38:26,571 --> 00:38:30,075 of instituting white supremacy nationwide. 745 00:38:33,812 --> 00:38:36,981 [Host] Just outside Atlanta, soaring out of the landscape 746 00:38:36,982 --> 00:38:40,784 is a curious monolith called Stone Mountain. 747 00:38:40,785 --> 00:38:43,087 Carved on its side is a vast memorial 748 00:38:43,088 --> 00:38:46,758 to the Confederate leaders of the Civil War. 749 00:38:49,161 --> 00:38:50,694 [Tour Host] Alright everybody. 750 00:38:50,695 --> 00:38:53,531 Now the mountaintop would be about 350 million years old. 751 00:38:53,532 --> 00:38:54,865 Only a very small portion 752 00:38:54,866 --> 00:38:57,635 of the mountain's actually visible. 753 00:38:57,636 --> 00:39:00,238 But long before the carving was completed, 754 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,140 people came here to pay homage 755 00:39:02,141 --> 00:39:03,874 to something that happened directly 756 00:39:03,875 --> 00:39:06,478 as a result of Griffith's film. 757 00:39:08,513 --> 00:39:11,415 It turns out that that film was a revelation 758 00:39:11,416 --> 00:39:14,518 for at least one cinema goer. 759 00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:16,420 It was a Methodist preacher and his name 760 00:39:16,421 --> 00:39:18,289 was William Joseph Simmons and he took all 761 00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:19,757 he'd seen and heard and he brought it here 762 00:39:19,758 --> 00:39:21,926 to this mountaintop. 763 00:39:21,927 --> 00:39:23,427 He was accompanied that day, 764 00:39:23,428 --> 00:39:26,030 the eve of Thanksgiving in 1915 765 00:39:26,031 --> 00:39:28,499 with 15 like minded souls and they had come 766 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:30,402 for a bizarre ceremony. 767 00:39:31,570 --> 00:39:32,836 What they wanted to do first of all 768 00:39:32,837 --> 00:39:35,373 was to build an altar. 769 00:39:35,374 --> 00:39:37,942 Once it was built, Simmons placed three things 770 00:39:37,943 --> 00:39:39,443 on that altar. 771 00:39:39,444 --> 00:39:43,548 An American flag, a bible, and a sword unsheathed. 772 00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:49,087 Then, he set fire to a crudely made wooden cross. 773 00:39:49,088 --> 00:39:51,722 At that moment, he declared himself to be, 774 00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:56,260 get this, the imperial wizard of the invisible empire 775 00:39:56,261 --> 00:39:59,463 of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 776 00:39:59,464 --> 00:40:03,635 The KKK was back but this time the Klan would be different. 777 00:40:05,037 --> 00:40:08,572 It would be political, it would be obsessed with power, 778 00:40:08,573 --> 00:40:12,343 and most significantly of all, it would be big. 779 00:40:12,344 --> 00:40:13,612 Very, very big. 780 00:40:16,848 --> 00:40:18,582 And with changing immigration, 781 00:40:18,583 --> 00:40:21,352 the Klan now had a whole new range of targets 782 00:40:21,353 --> 00:40:24,755 they thought threatened the lives of southern people. 783 00:40:24,756 --> 00:40:28,192 The new Klan's focus wasn't just on black people. 784 00:40:28,193 --> 00:40:30,828 Jews, Catholics, and Mexicans also 785 00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:33,765 became targets of the organization. 786 00:40:38,303 --> 00:40:40,838 To get an insight into this second Klan, 787 00:40:40,839 --> 00:40:44,042 I've come to the small estate of author William Rawlings 788 00:40:44,043 --> 00:40:48,113 just outside the town of Sandersville in Georgia. 789 00:40:50,582 --> 00:40:53,617 The Klan's mantra at this time, 790 00:40:53,618 --> 00:40:55,853 its recruiting mantra can be summed up 791 00:40:55,854 --> 00:40:58,356 as being 100% Americanism. 792 00:40:58,357 --> 00:41:01,025 Support of the constitution, just laws, 793 00:41:01,026 --> 00:41:02,793 anti-immigration. 794 00:41:02,794 --> 00:41:05,296 People that joined the Klan during the early 1920's 795 00:41:05,297 --> 00:41:07,731 joined not because they had some agenda 796 00:41:07,732 --> 00:41:10,201 but because the message of the Klan was one 797 00:41:10,202 --> 00:41:12,002 we want to do the good thing for America. 798 00:41:12,003 --> 00:41:13,671 We want to perhaps keep this immigrants out, 799 00:41:13,672 --> 00:41:16,074 these Chinese in California, these Mexicans 800 00:41:16,075 --> 00:41:18,008 on the border states. 801 00:41:18,009 --> 00:41:21,512 [Host] But the new Klan was as oppressive as the first. 802 00:41:21,513 --> 00:41:24,582 Say you live in a town and the Klan is in the town 803 00:41:24,583 --> 00:41:26,084 and you don't know who the members are 804 00:41:26,085 --> 00:41:28,552 but they may be your best friends and they may not be. 805 00:41:28,553 --> 00:41:30,321 You don't know if the policeman on the corner's 806 00:41:30,322 --> 00:41:31,589 a member of the Klan or perhaps 807 00:41:31,590 --> 00:41:33,157 your minister's a member of the Klan 808 00:41:33,158 --> 00:41:35,293 and they liked it that way. 809 00:41:35,294 --> 00:41:37,195 They could go to a merchant for example and say 810 00:41:37,196 --> 00:41:38,562 you know, we're the Klan, we can tell people 811 00:41:38,563 --> 00:41:40,631 not to trade with you and the merchant 812 00:41:40,632 --> 00:41:42,633 would say gee, I better support the Klan. 813 00:41:42,634 --> 00:41:44,802 You never knew how many people were members of the Klan 814 00:41:44,803 --> 00:41:47,605 and once they developed the reputation 815 00:41:47,606 --> 00:41:49,973 for not only intimidation but action 816 00:41:49,974 --> 00:41:51,542 then frequently all they had to do 817 00:41:51,543 --> 00:41:54,478 was simply say we're watching you 818 00:41:54,479 --> 00:41:57,215 and that was all that was needed. 819 00:41:57,216 --> 00:41:58,516 [Host] Clan violence directly 820 00:41:58,517 --> 00:42:01,519 effected William Rawling's family. 821 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,954 Although they had owned a slave plantation 822 00:42:03,955 --> 00:42:07,225 everyone was a potential target. 823 00:42:07,226 --> 00:42:10,228 My family had an unfortunate experience with the Klan. 824 00:42:10,229 --> 00:42:13,131 Uncle Charlie was a bit of a philanderer. 825 00:42:13,132 --> 00:42:14,532 I guess that's the best way to say it. 826 00:42:14,533 --> 00:42:16,900 Not only did he have his girlfriends, 827 00:42:16,901 --> 00:42:19,237 his interest also crossed racial lines 828 00:42:19,238 --> 00:42:22,973 and he sired a number of mixed race children 829 00:42:22,974 --> 00:42:26,710 which was not exactly the socially acceptable thing 830 00:42:26,711 --> 00:42:28,179 of the day to do. 831 00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:31,048 He was allegedly, according to family history, 832 00:42:31,049 --> 00:42:33,284 warned by the Klan and when he ignored them 833 00:42:33,285 --> 00:42:34,752 because he was a very wealthy and powerful man, 834 00:42:34,753 --> 00:42:36,487 when he ignored them they simply waylaid him 835 00:42:36,488 --> 00:42:37,588 on a country road. 836 00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:38,789 He had his own chauffeur. 837 00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:40,958 Guy named Hal Hooks, a black man. 838 00:42:40,959 --> 00:42:43,661 They put a tree across the road. 839 00:42:43,662 --> 00:42:45,429 When Hal Hooks went out to move the tree 840 00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:48,799 all of a sudden Klansmen emerged from the forest, 841 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,601 they told Hooks to stand to one side 842 00:42:50,602 --> 00:42:54,037 and they castrated Uncle Charlie. 843 00:42:54,038 --> 00:42:55,539 Castrated him? 844 00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:56,874 They castrated him 845 00:42:56,875 --> 00:42:58,609 and he lived the remainder of his life 846 00:42:58,610 --> 00:43:00,879 without part of his anatomy. 847 00:43:02,614 --> 00:43:06,785 * Well nothing is going right this morning 848 00:43:14,693 --> 00:43:18,962 * Oh I guess it's the chains that bind me 849 00:43:18,963 --> 00:43:22,534 * I can't shake them loose 850 00:43:25,237 --> 00:43:27,938 How big did it get, what was the high point? 851 00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:31,141 For a very brief period of time, 1924 and 1925, 852 00:43:31,142 --> 00:43:33,611 they were one of the most powerful social 853 00:43:33,612 --> 00:43:36,480 and political organizations in the United States. 854 00:43:36,481 --> 00:43:40,184 Around five million members at its peak in 1925. 855 00:43:40,185 --> 00:43:42,119 You know it's a tremendous number of people 856 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,888 that joined the Klan. 857 00:43:45,089 --> 00:43:46,290 Perhaps the high point of the Klan 858 00:43:46,291 --> 00:43:48,893 was the march in August of 1925 859 00:43:50,362 --> 00:43:54,765 where an estimated as many as 150,000 robed Klansmen 860 00:43:54,766 --> 00:43:57,536 marched down Pennsylvania Avenue. 861 00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:02,640 It's a terribly frightening image 862 00:44:02,641 --> 00:44:05,276 to see Pennsylvania Avenue with the capitol dome 863 00:44:05,277 --> 00:44:07,010 in the background and an endless stream 864 00:44:07,011 --> 00:44:10,714 of white robed Klansmen marching down the street. 865 00:44:10,715 --> 00:44:13,385 Is this what America has become? 866 00:44:19,324 --> 00:44:22,960 The Klan of the 1920's failed eventually 867 00:44:22,961 --> 00:44:25,896 because people figured them out. 868 00:44:25,897 --> 00:44:27,598 People began to say you know, these people 869 00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,301 are not really what I want America to be. 870 00:44:30,302 --> 00:44:32,370 These people are beating and flogging, 871 00:44:32,371 --> 00:44:35,038 these people are judge, jury, and executioner 872 00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:36,006 rolled into one. 873 00:44:36,007 --> 00:44:37,508 This is not the American way. 874 00:44:37,509 --> 00:44:39,678 We should reject the Klan. 875 00:44:41,346 --> 00:44:44,047 The Klan may have been rejected 876 00:44:44,048 --> 00:44:47,886 but racial hatred and discrimination remained. 877 00:44:53,892 --> 00:44:56,760 Here is one of the many places in the south 878 00:44:56,761 --> 00:45:00,063 where the law itself was used to discriminate. 879 00:45:00,064 --> 00:45:02,132 This is the former railway terminal building 880 00:45:02,133 --> 00:45:04,234 in Macon, Georgia. 881 00:45:04,235 --> 00:45:05,769 Fantastically impressive building. 882 00:45:05,770 --> 00:45:07,037 Big stone frontage. 883 00:45:07,038 --> 00:45:09,440 Now that's the main entrance down there 884 00:45:09,441 --> 00:45:11,809 with the eagles above it and the pillars. 885 00:45:11,810 --> 00:45:13,877 Off to one side though is a separate entrance 886 00:45:13,878 --> 00:45:16,414 and if you look above the door look what it says. 887 00:45:16,415 --> 00:45:17,948 Colored waiting room. 888 00:45:17,949 --> 00:45:21,385 This is a relic, an artifact of the Jim Crow laws 889 00:45:21,386 --> 00:45:24,388 which were touted as keeping the white people 890 00:45:24,389 --> 00:45:28,560 and the black people of America separate but equal. 891 00:45:34,533 --> 00:45:36,934 The Jim Crow laws reflected the mindset 892 00:45:36,935 --> 00:45:40,938 of those that wanted the races to be separate forever. 893 00:45:40,939 --> 00:45:42,806 They not only mandated the segregation 894 00:45:42,807 --> 00:45:45,809 of colored transport but public schools, 895 00:45:45,810 --> 00:45:49,046 public places, and the segregation of restrooms, 896 00:45:49,047 --> 00:45:52,451 restaurants, and even drinking fountains. 897 00:45:53,818 --> 00:45:57,522 Black and white lived separate but rarely equal lives. 898 00:46:00,258 --> 00:46:03,260 It took until the 1950's for the federal court 899 00:46:03,261 --> 00:46:05,663 to declare that segregation in state schools 900 00:46:05,664 --> 00:46:07,432 was unconstitutional. 901 00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:10,734 The black population celebrated 902 00:46:10,735 --> 00:46:14,805 but the southern states were having none of it. 903 00:46:14,806 --> 00:46:17,508 I'm finishing my journey in America's deep south 904 00:46:17,509 --> 00:46:20,310 here in Alabama, the heart of the fight 905 00:46:20,311 --> 00:46:22,046 against civil rights. 906 00:46:24,583 --> 00:46:28,386 Montgomery, the state capital, became the epicenter 907 00:46:28,387 --> 00:46:32,557 and these steps the backdrop to much of the rhetoric. 908 00:46:34,993 --> 00:46:39,397 Before the seed of tyranny, and I say segregation now, 909 00:46:39,398 --> 00:46:43,233 segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever. 910 00:46:43,234 --> 00:46:46,303 (cheering) 911 00:46:46,304 --> 00:46:48,105 [Host] Governor George Wallace spoke 912 00:46:48,106 --> 00:46:51,710 with the mindset of those that elected him. 913 00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:58,850 The Klan, too, raised its costumed head again 914 00:47:00,218 --> 00:47:03,353 and when around 3,000 people attended another rally 915 00:47:03,354 --> 00:47:05,355 at Stone Mountain, it was clear 916 00:47:05,356 --> 00:47:07,958 that the Klan was back in force 917 00:47:07,959 --> 00:47:10,861 for the third time and the tactics, again, 918 00:47:10,862 --> 00:47:12,263 would be violent. 919 00:47:14,633 --> 00:47:16,133 The fight for the soul of the south 920 00:47:16,134 --> 00:47:19,236 came to its ugliest point in the 1960's 921 00:47:19,237 --> 00:47:21,639 in the battle between the civil rights movement 922 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,373 and the Klansmen. 923 00:47:23,374 --> 00:47:25,976 The Klans brazen violence and murders 924 00:47:25,977 --> 00:47:29,179 eventually pushed President Johnson's federal government 925 00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:33,751 to make a full scale assault on the Ku Klux Klan. 926 00:47:33,752 --> 00:47:37,354 Their loyalty is not to the United States of America 927 00:47:37,355 --> 00:47:41,324 but instead to a hooded society of bigots 928 00:47:41,325 --> 00:47:44,862 so if Klansmen hear my voice today 929 00:47:44,863 --> 00:47:48,032 let it be both an appeal and a warning 930 00:47:50,034 --> 00:47:52,937 to get out of the Ku Klux Klan now. 931 00:47:55,139 --> 00:47:58,308 Leading members of the Klan were prosecuted by the FBI 932 00:47:58,309 --> 00:48:01,244 and once again, America's most feared hate group 933 00:48:01,245 --> 00:48:03,247 appeared to be defeated. 934 00:48:05,149 --> 00:48:08,218 But despite the success of the civil rights movement, 935 00:48:08,219 --> 00:48:11,455 that southern mindset didn't go away. 936 00:48:11,456 --> 00:48:13,558 It's still with us today. 937 00:48:15,927 --> 00:48:18,629 In the last 50 years, there's been an explosion 938 00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:21,499 of hate groups in America. 939 00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:25,769 In 2015, it was estimated that there were 892 hate groups 940 00:48:25,770 --> 00:48:28,972 in the US including anti-government militias, 941 00:48:28,973 --> 00:48:31,609 neo-nazis, neo-confederates, 942 00:48:31,610 --> 00:48:34,679 and 190 separate Ku Klux Klan groups. 943 00:48:36,481 --> 00:48:38,081 The League of the South is one 944 00:48:38,082 --> 00:48:41,619 that's often described as a hate group. 945 00:48:41,620 --> 00:48:43,754 It advocates rolling back time, 946 00:48:43,755 --> 00:48:46,356 creating a separate southern society 947 00:48:46,357 --> 00:48:48,726 run by Anglo-Celts. 948 00:48:48,727 --> 00:48:51,461 So I've got an email from Dr. Michael Hill, 949 00:48:51,462 --> 00:48:52,963 leader of the League of the South 950 00:48:52,964 --> 00:48:56,166 and he's suggesting meeting at the post office parking lot 951 00:48:56,167 --> 00:48:58,002 in Killen at nine a.m. 952 00:49:01,706 --> 00:49:03,708 I think we have our man. 953 00:49:06,778 --> 00:49:09,346 Dr. Hill, hello, I'm Neal. 954 00:49:09,347 --> 00:49:10,514 Nice to meet you, sir. 955 00:49:10,515 --> 00:49:11,549 Nice to meet you too, sir. 956 00:49:11,550 --> 00:49:12,783 Good to be here. 957 00:49:12,784 --> 00:49:15,452 Is it okay if we put a microphone on you? 958 00:49:15,453 --> 00:49:16,287 Sure. 959 00:49:17,388 --> 00:49:19,189 I think that's one thing about southerners. 960 00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:21,358 We're known for our hospitality 961 00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:25,328 but we're also very suspicious of outsiders. 962 00:49:25,329 --> 00:49:27,297 Now I'm not suspicious of you folks 963 00:49:27,298 --> 00:49:29,066 because I know where you come from 964 00:49:29,067 --> 00:49:32,002 and I know that basically you and I 965 00:49:32,003 --> 00:49:36,306 come from the same people so it's different 966 00:49:36,307 --> 00:49:38,942 but people come around here from other places 967 00:49:38,943 --> 00:49:41,044 and southerners are not so hospitable 968 00:49:41,045 --> 00:49:43,013 until they get to know you. 969 00:49:43,014 --> 00:49:45,215 If you're a nationalist, what's your nation? 970 00:49:45,216 --> 00:49:47,585 My nation is my people. 971 00:49:47,586 --> 00:49:48,819 [Host] It's not America? 972 00:49:48,820 --> 00:49:50,387 No, America is not my nation. 973 00:49:50,388 --> 00:49:52,355 If your nation is family, what is your family? 974 00:49:52,356 --> 00:49:54,091 You mean literally people who are blood. 975 00:49:54,092 --> 00:49:56,994 Yes, exactly, blood, blood kin. 976 00:49:56,995 --> 00:49:59,262 That is what a nation is. 977 00:49:59,263 --> 00:50:01,398 But you know as well as I do that the Scots 978 00:50:01,399 --> 00:50:03,934 have always been big on fictive kinship. 979 00:50:03,935 --> 00:50:07,337 You're sort of in the clan, in the family. 980 00:50:07,338 --> 00:50:09,674 My family is southern people 981 00:50:11,442 --> 00:50:15,613 and people who are related to us by genetics 982 00:50:15,614 --> 00:50:17,615 back in the old country. 983 00:50:17,616 --> 00:50:19,382 America is not a nation. 984 00:50:19,383 --> 00:50:22,252 America is a multi-cultural empire. 985 00:50:22,253 --> 00:50:24,021 I want nothing to do with it. 986 00:50:24,022 --> 00:50:25,857 It has nothing for me. 987 00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:36,166 [Host] Is the church shooting at Charleston 988 00:50:36,167 --> 00:50:39,169 an inevitable consequence of that kind of grievance? 989 00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:42,205 [Michael] I think you just had a disturbed young man. 990 00:50:42,206 --> 00:50:45,676 He doesn't come from nowhere, though. 991 00:50:45,677 --> 00:50:46,944 He's from a context. 992 00:50:46,945 --> 00:50:49,312 Sure he's from a context. 993 00:50:49,313 --> 00:50:53,583 The minute I saw that he had a Confederate flag, 994 00:50:53,584 --> 00:50:56,654 I said oh they will take this and use it. 995 00:50:56,655 --> 00:50:59,389 If the left wants to use Dylann Roof 996 00:50:59,390 --> 00:51:03,494 as the archetype of everybody that thinks like I do 997 00:51:04,996 --> 00:51:07,497 then we're gonna have to have fair play on the other side. 998 00:51:07,498 --> 00:51:10,600 Every time a black person kills a white person 999 00:51:10,601 --> 00:51:13,771 we're gonna have to just examine that 1000 00:51:13,772 --> 00:51:16,940 inside and out, why it happened, 1001 00:51:16,941 --> 00:51:20,711 the circumstances, the hatred behind it, 1002 00:51:20,712 --> 00:51:22,913 but it doesn't get done. 1003 00:51:22,914 --> 00:51:24,247 How likely is it that you're way 1004 00:51:24,248 --> 00:51:26,751 of thinking will come to pass? 1005 00:51:27,819 --> 00:51:30,420 I'm a realist about this. 1006 00:51:30,421 --> 00:51:31,955 If you look out in the world right now 1007 00:51:31,956 --> 00:51:35,726 you see that the other side looks like they're winning. 1008 00:51:35,727 --> 00:51:37,961 My side will win mainly because 1009 00:51:37,962 --> 00:51:40,430 it is the natural way that human beings 1010 00:51:40,431 --> 00:51:42,032 have always lived. 1011 00:51:42,033 --> 00:51:45,002 This is an anomaly period that we're living in 1012 00:51:45,003 --> 00:51:46,837 and I can see the end of it 1013 00:51:46,838 --> 00:51:48,405 and the pendulum will swing back 1014 00:51:48,406 --> 00:51:50,908 to a more normal type human existence. 1015 00:51:50,909 --> 00:51:53,610 So yeah, I think I'm on the right side 1016 00:51:53,611 --> 00:51:56,680 of not only history but human nature. 1017 00:51:56,681 --> 00:51:58,281 It seems so pessimistic and depressing 1018 00:51:58,282 --> 00:52:00,083 to me to think that people, given the opportunity 1019 00:52:00,084 --> 00:52:02,419 to create a new world, and that was the expression 1020 00:52:02,420 --> 00:52:04,688 that was in use at the time. 1021 00:52:04,689 --> 00:52:07,758 They came out full of ideas like the pursuit 1022 00:52:07,759 --> 00:52:11,261 of happiness and equality and religious freedom 1023 00:52:11,262 --> 00:52:12,596 and all of that. 1024 00:52:15,333 --> 00:52:17,868 They were part of a world that became a misery 1025 00:52:17,869 --> 00:52:19,937 for millions, I find that just sad. 1026 00:52:19,938 --> 00:52:21,504 I know, but what does it tell you. 1027 00:52:21,505 --> 00:52:24,541 It tells you that there can be no utopias 1028 00:52:24,542 --> 00:52:26,576 because man is a fallen creature 1029 00:52:26,577 --> 00:52:30,180 and he's always gonna behave like a fallen creature. 1030 00:52:30,181 --> 00:52:32,851 He's always going to fuck it up. 1031 00:52:36,154 --> 00:52:37,620 I said was there someone who has 1032 00:52:37,621 --> 00:52:41,559 perhaps a naive hope in the brotherhood of mankind, 1033 00:52:44,095 --> 00:52:46,597 if he's right then I just feel 1034 00:52:49,734 --> 00:52:51,368 we're never gonna get anywhere. 1035 00:52:51,369 --> 00:52:55,238 If there was ever an indication that history's alive 1036 00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,842 then it's here, a set of events 1037 00:52:59,077 --> 00:53:02,245 unfolded here 200 and odd years ago 1038 00:53:02,246 --> 00:53:05,115 and the consequences of them, the reality 1039 00:53:05,116 --> 00:53:07,951 of the world which created then 1040 00:53:07,952 --> 00:53:10,054 are still 100% here. 1041 00:53:11,555 --> 00:53:14,893 He feels as if we're not going anywhere. 1042 00:53:18,930 --> 00:53:20,864 It's so dispiriting to hear someone 1043 00:53:20,865 --> 00:53:24,534 using my Scottish ancestry in support 1044 00:53:24,535 --> 00:53:27,872 of views that could give rise to hatred. 1045 00:53:29,507 --> 00:53:31,208 I'm heading back to the state capital 1046 00:53:31,209 --> 00:53:34,945 to get a second opinion on Michael Hill's thinking. 1047 00:53:34,946 --> 00:53:37,714 Mark Potok keeps tabs on hate groups 1048 00:53:37,715 --> 00:53:40,083 at the Southern Poverty Law Center 1049 00:53:40,084 --> 00:53:41,551 and he has monitored the development 1050 00:53:41,552 --> 00:53:44,121 of the League of the South for some time. 1051 00:53:44,122 --> 00:53:46,790 I've heard mention of the potential 1052 00:53:46,791 --> 00:53:50,962 for a race war, is that just meaningless hyperbole? 1053 00:53:52,363 --> 00:53:55,732 Well look, I mean, a race war is the wet dream 1054 00:53:55,733 --> 00:53:58,235 of all of these groups. 1055 00:53:58,236 --> 00:54:01,271 They all expect a race war and many 1056 00:54:01,272 --> 00:54:03,874 of them fervently hope for it. 1057 00:54:03,875 --> 00:54:06,209 That's absolutely common in the Klan 1058 00:54:06,210 --> 00:54:08,812 and in neo-nazi groups and so on. 1059 00:54:08,813 --> 00:54:11,281 What's been surprising is to see the evolution 1060 00:54:11,282 --> 00:54:13,383 of a group like the League of the South. 1061 00:54:13,384 --> 00:54:14,885 Mike Hill wrote a few months ago 1062 00:54:14,886 --> 00:54:18,655 an incredible essay in which he said essentially 1063 00:54:18,656 --> 00:54:21,491 if black people think they wanna have a race war 1064 00:54:21,492 --> 00:54:23,060 let me just warn them right now, 1065 00:54:23,061 --> 00:54:25,495 they're not gonna win that war. 1066 00:54:25,496 --> 00:54:28,065 Hill has also talked to his people 1067 00:54:28,066 --> 00:54:32,069 not merely about how the south is an Anglo-Celtic wonderland 1068 00:54:32,070 --> 00:54:33,536 and all this kind of things and we need 1069 00:54:33,537 --> 00:54:36,273 to protect our culture but about the need 1070 00:54:36,274 --> 00:54:39,777 to buy AK-47's and tools to derail trains. 1071 00:54:42,646 --> 00:54:44,882 Will this ever really come to a race war? 1072 00:54:44,883 --> 00:54:47,117 No, I very much doubt it. 1073 00:54:47,118 --> 00:54:48,852 Are there people out there who desperately 1074 00:54:48,853 --> 00:54:50,253 would like to see it happen? 1075 00:54:50,254 --> 00:54:51,155 Absolutely. 1076 00:54:52,556 --> 00:54:57,027 In the aftermath of the June 2015 Charleston massacre 1077 00:54:57,028 --> 00:55:00,263 by Dylann Roof, there was an enormous backlash 1078 00:55:00,264 --> 00:55:02,499 against the Confederate battle flag 1079 00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:04,234 because Roof, of course, before carrying out 1080 00:55:04,235 --> 00:55:06,636 this mass murder, had taken many pictures 1081 00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:10,107 of himself displaying the Confederate battle flag 1082 00:55:10,108 --> 00:55:13,676 and as a result of that, the flag came under attack. 1083 00:55:13,677 --> 00:55:14,777 The governor of South Carolina 1084 00:55:14,778 --> 00:55:16,379 ordered the Confederate battle flag 1085 00:55:16,380 --> 00:55:19,383 off the grounds of the state capital 1086 00:55:20,551 --> 00:55:22,252 and then there was this incredible, 1087 00:55:22,253 --> 00:55:24,754 very widespread reaction. 1088 00:55:24,755 --> 00:55:27,224 We counted actually, in the six months 1089 00:55:27,225 --> 00:55:29,726 immediately following the Charleston massacre, 1090 00:55:29,727 --> 00:55:33,064 364 pro-Confederate battle flag rallies. 1091 00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:38,868 Does that rhetoric inform people like Dylann Roof? 1092 00:55:38,869 --> 00:55:41,238 I don't think Dylann Roof probably even knew 1093 00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,340 what the League of the South was 1094 00:55:43,341 --> 00:55:45,575 but did he connect with the kinds of ideas 1095 00:55:45,576 --> 00:55:47,244 that are at the center of the League of the South? 1096 00:55:47,245 --> 00:55:48,179 Absolutely. 1097 00:55:50,814 --> 00:55:53,116 One of the greatest writers of the south, 1098 00:55:53,117 --> 00:55:54,817 William Faulkner, wrote something 1099 00:55:54,818 --> 00:55:57,320 that seems very apt. 1100 00:55:57,321 --> 00:55:59,789 The past isn't dead and buried. 1101 00:55:59,790 --> 00:56:03,061 It's not even past and that's the point. 1102 00:56:04,462 --> 00:56:07,530 All the people of the south are living with history, 1103 00:56:07,531 --> 00:56:10,400 coping with the consequences of immigration, 1104 00:56:10,401 --> 00:56:13,570 greed, fear, and a sequence of events 1105 00:56:13,571 --> 00:56:17,741 that have turned this place upside down more than once. 1106 00:56:19,944 --> 00:56:21,844 I come to the end of my journey 1107 00:56:21,845 --> 00:56:24,949 at the church where this story began. 1108 00:56:27,151 --> 00:56:30,187 How on Earth do the people who suffered the attacks here 1109 00:56:30,188 --> 00:56:32,222 cope with the horror of the racism 1110 00:56:32,223 --> 00:56:34,724 that has stopped the south since the settlers 1111 00:56:34,725 --> 00:56:36,327 first arrived here. 1112 00:56:37,761 --> 00:56:42,199 Just with the thought of this interview itself, 1113 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,068 I'm teary eyed to think that this 1114 00:56:45,069 --> 00:56:47,504 is what brought us together 1115 00:56:47,505 --> 00:56:50,707 but yet I'm grateful because it gives me 1116 00:56:50,708 --> 00:56:53,711 an opportunity to say to my brothers 1117 00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:59,616 and sisters around the world, thank you for caring. 1118 00:56:59,617 --> 00:57:04,021 Thank you for praying for us, remembering us, 1119 00:57:04,022 --> 00:57:06,556 and not forgetting about it. 1120 00:57:06,557 --> 00:57:09,792 Is there anything that ought to be forgotten? 1121 00:57:09,793 --> 00:57:13,830 Are there any ideas that need to be put in the past 1122 00:57:13,831 --> 00:57:15,999 and not taken into the future? 1123 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,868 I think that each of us, we are sum total 1124 00:57:18,869 --> 00:57:22,772 of our past, our present, and our hope for the future 1125 00:57:22,773 --> 00:57:26,309 and so no, I wouldn't want to disregard the past. 1126 00:57:26,310 --> 00:57:28,111 I'd wanna learn from it. 1127 00:57:28,112 --> 00:57:30,580 I'd wanna grow as a result of it 1128 00:57:30,581 --> 00:57:33,383 and we must embrace our individuality 1129 00:57:33,384 --> 00:57:36,853 and celebrate it and not be negative 1130 00:57:36,854 --> 00:57:38,555 as a result of it. 1131 00:57:38,556 --> 00:57:41,892 I believe that from this can lead a path 1132 00:57:43,461 --> 00:57:46,297 of race relations that's positive. 1133 00:57:47,731 --> 00:57:50,867 A path that will lead us to a place of reconciliation, 1134 00:57:50,868 --> 00:57:54,805 of healing, and a place of a healthier society. 1135 00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:00,278 Oh hey, come on. 1136 00:58:04,948 --> 00:58:07,718 (downbeat music) 89450

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