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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,479 --> 00:00:04,869 In 30 years, I have never seen more exciting matches. 2 00:00:04,917 --> 00:00:06,787 [Announcer] Down for the count: 1, 2, 3! 3 00:00:06,832 --> 00:00:10,182 [Narrator] In 1990, the Universal Wrestling Federation 4 00:00:10,227 --> 00:00:13,747 appeared out of nowhere, ready to make a major impact 5 00:00:13,796 --> 00:00:16,056 on the wrestling world. 6 00:00:16,103 --> 00:00:18,063 The UWF was a dream. 7 00:00:18,105 --> 00:00:19,315 [Announcer] I tell you, we have some of the 8 00:00:19,367 --> 00:00:21,237 finest talent anywhere in the world. 9 00:00:21,282 --> 00:00:23,462 The UWF brought together a roster of 10 00:00:23,501 --> 00:00:26,161 all-time greats and future stars. 11 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,680 It was an ambitious dream of an outsider, 12 00:00:28,724 --> 00:00:31,734 a man named Herb Abrams. 13 00:00:31,770 --> 00:00:34,470 The purpose of this Federation is to have 14 00:00:34,512 --> 00:00:37,652 wrestling go back to basics,the way wrestling used to be. 15 00:00:37,689 --> 00:00:41,129 I really believed that I was stepping into something new 16 00:00:41,171 --> 00:00:43,831 and cutting edge with Herb Abrams and the UWF. 17 00:00:43,869 --> 00:00:46,609 UWF! Number one, baby! Number one! 18 00:00:46,655 --> 00:00:50,655 While his lofty vision put the UWF on a path to success, 19 00:00:50,702 --> 00:00:54,792 Herb's dream became everyone else's nightmare. 20 00:00:54,837 --> 00:00:58,707 [shouts] I am going to get you once and for all! 21 00:00:58,754 --> 00:01:00,844 Right from the get-go the show was a joke. 22 00:01:00,886 --> 00:01:02,666 The money wasn't legit. 23 00:01:02,714 --> 00:01:04,894 Herb had squandered millions of dollars. 24 00:01:04,934 --> 00:01:09,684 All hell broke loose. 25 00:01:09,721 --> 00:01:12,511 Herb was like a ball of fire, 26 00:01:12,550 --> 00:01:14,470 just looking for oxygen. 27 00:01:14,509 --> 00:01:16,599 SWAT teams are gonna be knocking down the door here 28 00:01:16,641 --> 00:01:17,691 in a minute. 29 00:01:17,729 --> 00:01:19,299 I couldn't even fathom it. 30 00:01:19,340 --> 00:01:21,910 I heard that he was covered in Vaseline and cocaine. 31 00:01:21,951 --> 00:01:23,471 It was crazy. 32 00:01:23,518 --> 00:01:25,868 You've got to start from the bottom and work your way up. 33 00:01:25,911 --> 00:01:29,001 Herb started at the top and worked his way down. 34 00:01:29,045 --> 00:01:30,995 Now, for the first time ever, 35 00:01:31,047 --> 00:01:34,217 the true story behind the monumental downfall 36 00:01:34,268 --> 00:01:36,178 of Herb Abrams. 37 00:01:36,226 --> 00:01:39,226 You can't get any darker than the story of 38 00:01:39,273 --> 00:01:42,153 the UWF and Herb Abrams. You can't. 39 00:01:42,189 --> 00:01:49,019 ♪ 40 00:01:49,935 --> 00:01:52,015 By the end of the 1980s, 41 00:01:52,068 --> 00:01:55,508 the WWF dominated professional wrestling. 42 00:01:55,550 --> 00:01:59,160 Powered by the vision and expertise of Vince McMahon, 43 00:01:59,206 --> 00:02:01,636 no other organization came close to 44 00:02:01,686 --> 00:02:03,906 its mainstream popularity. 45 00:02:03,949 --> 00:02:07,819 But in 1990, an unknown wrestling fanatic came from 46 00:02:07,866 --> 00:02:13,476 out of nowhere to attempt to slay the WWF monster. 47 00:02:13,524 --> 00:02:15,874 I mean, I see him so clearly in my mind, 48 00:02:15,918 --> 00:02:17,528 like it was yesterday. 49 00:02:17,572 --> 00:02:21,142 And, I cannot talk about Herb without smiling. 50 00:02:21,184 --> 00:02:23,064 I am Mick Foley. 51 00:02:23,099 --> 00:02:25,969 I am sometimes known as The Hardcore Legend. 52 00:02:26,015 --> 00:02:28,885 [Announcer] Look out! Oh! All the way to hell! 53 00:02:28,931 --> 00:02:30,931 Good God almighty! They've killed him! 54 00:02:30,976 --> 00:02:34,366 [Mick] Herb was a little guy with a big personality. 55 00:02:34,415 --> 00:02:38,715 His enthusiasm was contagious. 56 00:02:38,767 --> 00:02:40,067 I believe I was at one of 57 00:02:40,116 --> 00:02:42,946 John Arezzi's Weekend of Champions. 58 00:02:42,988 --> 00:02:44,988 John was one of the first guys who was 59 00:02:45,034 --> 00:02:47,384 putting together wrestling weekends. 60 00:02:47,428 --> 00:02:50,078 My name is John Arezzi, and I've been in and out of 61 00:02:50,126 --> 00:02:51,646 the pro wrestling business, really, 62 00:02:51,693 --> 00:02:53,613 since the early 1970s. 63 00:02:53,651 --> 00:02:55,741 There was a gentleman who was looking to start 64 00:02:55,784 --> 00:02:58,794 a wrestling promotion and, he was... 65 00:02:58,830 --> 00:03:00,140 a little eccentric. 66 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:02,530 He had really big aspirations. 67 00:03:02,573 --> 00:03:05,533 He wanted to launch at the Wrestling Fan Convention. 68 00:03:05,576 --> 00:03:07,226 He mentioned a lot of money being pumped into 69 00:03:07,274 --> 00:03:09,014 the organization, but when hementioned a name like 70 00:03:09,058 --> 00:03:12,628 Bruno Sammartino, I mean, to me, that was legitimacy. 71 00:03:12,670 --> 00:03:14,590 For most of the 20th century, 72 00:03:14,629 --> 00:03:17,679 Bruno Sammartino was the face of professional wrestling, 73 00:03:17,719 --> 00:03:21,159 and one of its first true icons. 74 00:03:21,201 --> 00:03:23,421 And I called Bruno to verify itand he said he was 75 00:03:23,464 --> 00:03:26,684 gonna be getting involved with Herb so... 76 00:03:26,728 --> 00:03:28,298 I certainly gave him the time of day and 77 00:03:28,338 --> 00:03:32,388 welcomed him to my Wrestling Fan Convention. 78 00:03:32,429 --> 00:03:35,219 The wrestling fans' fantasy weekend event is 79 00:03:35,258 --> 00:03:37,908 one of the first fan conventions of its kind, 80 00:03:37,956 --> 00:03:40,996 and a convenient arena for Herb to approach talent 81 00:03:41,046 --> 00:03:44,216 looking for new opportunities. 82 00:03:44,267 --> 00:03:46,657 There was a lot of the guys from the northeast, 83 00:03:46,704 --> 00:03:49,194 the Cactus Jack's, Sunny Beach's, 84 00:03:49,229 --> 00:03:51,929 and Herb made a point to introduce himself to 85 00:03:51,970 --> 00:03:53,670 almost everybody there. 86 00:03:53,711 --> 00:03:55,061 I know he was trying to, you know, 87 00:03:55,104 --> 00:03:56,544 look for talent at the convention. 88 00:03:56,584 --> 00:03:58,284 He was there, I guess, recruiting. 89 00:03:58,325 --> 00:04:00,715 My name is Rick Allen, formerly known as 90 00:04:00,762 --> 00:04:03,722 Sunny Beach in the wrestling world. 91 00:04:03,765 --> 00:04:06,415 He, he was, you know,looking to do big things and, 92 00:04:06,463 --> 00:04:07,683 he goes, "Sunny, my boy, 93 00:04:07,725 --> 00:04:08,855 we're gonna make it big one day, 94 00:04:08,900 --> 00:04:11,340 you know, just be there for the ride." 95 00:04:11,381 --> 00:04:13,601 I didn't aspire to become a professional wrestler, 96 00:04:13,644 --> 00:04:14,914 to be honest with you. 97 00:04:14,950 --> 00:04:19,000 He saw something in me that I didn't even see. 98 00:04:19,041 --> 00:04:22,041 He's a hell of a wrestler, this guy. 99 00:04:22,087 --> 00:04:24,437 The brand name is "Wild Thing" Stevie Ray. 100 00:04:24,481 --> 00:04:27,011 He said, "Stevie, my boy, 101 00:04:27,049 --> 00:04:30,489 I'm gonna turn you into a big star." 102 00:04:30,531 --> 00:04:33,191 I can't wait to be around this guy. 103 00:04:33,229 --> 00:04:34,969 Herb had never wrestled. 104 00:04:35,013 --> 00:04:37,933 He had never really experienced anything in 105 00:04:37,973 --> 00:04:40,453 the wrestling other than really being a fan. 106 00:04:40,497 --> 00:04:43,847 My name's B. Brian Blair,and I've been wrestling for... 107 00:04:43,892 --> 00:04:46,072 a long time. 108 00:04:46,111 --> 00:04:48,981 I knew Herb Abrams from the very beginning. 109 00:04:49,027 --> 00:04:51,547 He asked me if I wanted to come work for him. 110 00:04:51,595 --> 00:04:53,155 I thought, well, you know, this is a... 111 00:04:53,205 --> 00:04:58,245 a great way back to kind of the WWE without the pressure 112 00:04:58,298 --> 00:05:04,168 of wrestling 67 days in a rowand it was perfect for me. 113 00:05:04,216 --> 00:05:07,086 With the exhilaration of an obsessive fan, 114 00:05:07,132 --> 00:05:10,882 Herb officially launches the UWF at the convention, 115 00:05:10,919 --> 00:05:14,049 with a press conference laying out his grand plans 116 00:05:14,096 --> 00:05:16,356 for global domination. 117 00:05:16,403 --> 00:05:19,843 It was really designed to kind of introduce his vision 118 00:05:19,884 --> 00:05:21,894 and announce some of the performers that were 119 00:05:21,930 --> 00:05:23,630 gonna be associated with him. 120 00:05:23,671 --> 00:05:25,891 But, it turned into more of a circus. 121 00:05:25,934 --> 00:05:29,984 There was an angle betweenDan Spivey and B. Brian Blair. 122 00:05:30,025 --> 00:05:32,235 There were tables torn, there were glasses thrown. 123 00:05:32,288 --> 00:05:33,718 [Announcer] And look at this! 124 00:05:33,768 --> 00:05:36,418 He introduced as his booker Jack Black Mulligan who, 125 00:05:36,466 --> 00:05:38,686 at the time, was incarcerated. 126 00:05:38,729 --> 00:05:40,429 [John] And, he mentioned thathe was gonna be using 127 00:05:40,470 --> 00:05:43,560 Bruiser Brody as one of his top stars, 128 00:05:43,604 --> 00:05:46,434 but Bruiser Brody had been murdered a year ago. 129 00:05:46,476 --> 00:05:49,516 It was far-fetched, but it wasn't because 130 00:05:49,566 --> 00:05:53,136 the entire wrestling businessis far-fetched. 131 00:05:53,178 --> 00:05:56,618 His belief in his own words made people around him 132 00:05:56,660 --> 00:05:59,660 want to believe and, you know,when he's telling you, 133 00:05:59,707 --> 00:06:02,707 "This is going to be one of thegreatest wrestling promotions," 134 00:06:02,753 --> 00:06:05,843 I thought, this is the man who's going to mix 135 00:06:05,887 --> 00:06:08,927 Hollywood and sports entertainment in a way that 136 00:06:08,977 --> 00:06:11,367 not even Mr. McMahon had done. 137 00:06:11,414 --> 00:06:13,554 Exploding out of the convention, 138 00:06:13,590 --> 00:06:16,770 Herb's pure force of personality has bought him 139 00:06:16,811 --> 00:06:20,081 a roster of eager wrestlers, each with the high 140 00:06:20,118 --> 00:06:23,638 expectations of a man who is a complete mystery. 141 00:06:23,687 --> 00:06:29,647 I didn't know a whole lot about who Herb Abrams was. 142 00:06:29,693 --> 00:06:32,133 I knew that he was a business man of some kind. 143 00:06:32,174 --> 00:06:35,354 He was working with the stock market. 144 00:06:35,395 --> 00:06:37,215 He told me he was in the clothing industry. 145 00:06:37,266 --> 00:06:39,876 I have no idea what Herb Abrams did. 146 00:06:39,921 --> 00:06:41,581 I, I really don't know. 147 00:06:41,618 --> 00:06:44,618 Herb owned clothing companiesin New York city called, 148 00:06:44,665 --> 00:06:46,355 I'm A Big Girl Now. 149 00:06:46,406 --> 00:06:49,276 It was all these beautiful dresses that you wouldn't 150 00:06:49,321 --> 00:06:52,591 have thought would have been for these oversized women. 151 00:06:52,629 --> 00:06:54,279 My name is Lenny Duge. 152 00:06:54,326 --> 00:06:57,196 I worked at NBC for 24 years 153 00:06:57,242 --> 00:06:59,722 as Head of Post Production and Quality Control. 154 00:06:59,767 --> 00:07:03,207 I always wanted to get involvedwith professional wrestling. 155 00:07:03,248 --> 00:07:06,158 When, when you're a fan, you have that 156 00:07:06,208 --> 00:07:09,468 deep desire to want to be on the inside. 157 00:07:09,516 --> 00:07:12,476 Herb Abrams was my best friend. 158 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:14,259 We were kindred spirits. 159 00:07:14,303 --> 00:07:16,653 Herb was in a pair of jeans, cowboy boots, 160 00:07:16,697 --> 00:07:19,657 and he was going from the minute I met him. 161 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:24,050 He let me in so quickly because he didn't have a me. 162 00:07:24,095 --> 00:07:26,745 He didn't have someone that could do what I did. 163 00:07:26,794 --> 00:07:29,544 He believed so much in what he was doing and 164 00:07:29,579 --> 00:07:32,229 in what he was selling. 165 00:07:32,277 --> 00:07:34,797 Herb Abrams' greatest dream comes to life 166 00:07:34,845 --> 00:07:37,325 on October 1st 1990, 167 00:07:37,369 --> 00:07:41,899 when the UWF Fury Hour debuts on cable television. 168 00:07:41,939 --> 00:07:43,509 [Announcer] There's excitement in the air 169 00:07:43,550 --> 00:07:45,380 throughout this capacity crowd. 170 00:07:45,421 --> 00:07:47,511 This is the premiere of the UWF. 171 00:07:47,554 --> 00:07:49,164 We were in Reseda, California. 172 00:07:49,207 --> 00:07:50,857 It was, it was a nice setup. 173 00:07:50,905 --> 00:07:52,645 It was a small venue, but it was sold out. 174 00:07:52,689 --> 00:07:54,259 [Mick] We were believing in Herb's vision. 175 00:07:54,299 --> 00:07:55,739 I didn't know where it might take us, 176 00:07:55,779 --> 00:07:59,479 but I resolved to enjoy it. 177 00:07:59,522 --> 00:08:02,262 This is Cactus Jack, and I would rather 178 00:08:02,307 --> 00:08:04,917 hurt a man than love a woman. 179 00:08:04,962 --> 00:08:08,532 He had guys that hadrecently parted with WWF and so, 180 00:08:08,575 --> 00:08:11,095 they were fresh and hot on the television. 181 00:08:11,142 --> 00:08:14,412 [Mick] Herb Abrams had what Ithought was arguably 182 00:08:14,450 --> 00:08:18,060 more star power than WWE at that time. 183 00:08:18,106 --> 00:08:20,016 Guys like Paul Orndorff, who'd drawn an 184 00:08:20,064 --> 00:08:21,464 enormous amount of money. 185 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:23,021 [Rick] Then he had Steve "Dr. Death" Williams. 186 00:08:23,067 --> 00:08:24,547 Captain Lou Albano. 187 00:08:24,591 --> 00:08:27,121 [Mick] Danny Spivey and then Bob Orton. 188 00:08:27,158 --> 00:08:29,768 It brought instant credibility to the UWF, 189 00:08:29,813 --> 00:08:32,163 having these big names onboard with us. 190 00:08:32,207 --> 00:08:33,467 [Announcer] It's coming, wrestling fans, 191 00:08:33,513 --> 00:08:36,823 the Orndorff Pile Driver! Boom! 192 00:08:36,864 --> 00:08:40,434 Taking a hands-off approach, Herb empowers his talent 193 00:08:40,476 --> 00:08:43,216 with creative freedoms they'd never had before. 194 00:08:43,261 --> 00:08:46,221 It was a lot looser in Herb Abrams' territory than 195 00:08:46,264 --> 00:08:47,884 it was in Vince's where, you know, 196 00:08:47,918 --> 00:08:49,748 you had to walk like you did in the army. 197 00:08:49,790 --> 00:08:51,660 I went from feeling like I had been wrestling with 198 00:08:51,705 --> 00:08:55,185 handcuffs on to feeling like I had total freedom. 199 00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:56,670 I thought it was something special. 200 00:08:56,710 --> 00:08:58,360 I thought I got in on the ground floor of 201 00:08:58,407 --> 00:08:59,967 the infancy of the show. 202 00:09:00,017 --> 00:09:04,587 I knew that I was heading for stardom, you know. 203 00:09:04,631 --> 00:09:06,851 I knew that Herb was gonna give me that big push. 204 00:09:06,894 --> 00:09:09,034 Everybody was happy and... 205 00:09:09,070 --> 00:09:11,330 things were good. 206 00:09:11,376 --> 00:09:14,946 With his dream of becoming a big-time promoter within reach, 207 00:09:14,989 --> 00:09:17,379 Herb seeks to align with the one man who can 208 00:09:17,426 --> 00:09:20,816 fast track his success in the wrestling world. 209 00:09:20,864 --> 00:09:23,214 [Lenny] Herb met withVince McMahon and said to him, 210 00:09:23,258 --> 00:09:25,348 "You want the east coast and the central, 211 00:09:25,390 --> 00:09:27,040 and it's all yours. 212 00:09:27,088 --> 00:09:30,478 What about if I promote the west coast for you?" 213 00:09:30,526 --> 00:09:32,826 And Vince McMahon blew him off. 214 00:09:32,876 --> 00:09:34,876 Rejected by wrestling's king, 215 00:09:34,922 --> 00:09:38,272 Herb's attitude towards the WWF evolves into 216 00:09:38,316 --> 00:09:40,876 a desire for utter domination. 217 00:09:40,928 --> 00:09:42,628 In order to compete, 218 00:09:42,669 --> 00:09:46,849 he looks to expand the UWF roster. 219 00:09:46,890 --> 00:09:49,630 Do you think they'd let us? You shut up! 220 00:09:49,676 --> 00:09:53,936 You shut up, I'm talking! I am a manger, for God sake. 221 00:09:53,984 --> 00:09:57,034 I am the man who has to bring them to glory! 222 00:09:57,074 --> 00:10:00,774 I'm Marty Yesberg. I'm from Gaffney, South Carolina. 223 00:10:00,817 --> 00:10:03,907 And, back in the 80s, I was branded The Colonel 224 00:10:03,951 --> 00:10:06,741 by Jimmy "The Boogie Woogie Man" Valiant. 225 00:10:06,780 --> 00:10:10,170 In the dressing room, we kept hearing about... 226 00:10:10,218 --> 00:10:13,828 this mark, out in California, 227 00:10:13,874 --> 00:10:17,404 who had tons of money and was putting together 228 00:10:17,442 --> 00:10:20,882 a TV show called The UWF. 229 00:10:20,924 --> 00:10:24,544 He flew us all out to California. 230 00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:31,200 He set me up in this two-bedroom estate hotel, 231 00:10:31,239 --> 00:10:35,899 Beverly Hills. And it was... 232 00:10:35,939 --> 00:10:37,939 all that and a bag of chips. 233 00:10:37,985 --> 00:10:39,855 And we wasn't working for him. 234 00:10:39,900 --> 00:10:42,510 Understand, we was just going to meet him. 235 00:10:42,554 --> 00:10:45,784 You know, I'm like, wow. 236 00:10:45,819 --> 00:10:50,349 That night, he knocks on the door and, 237 00:10:50,388 --> 00:10:57,088 he has two high end call girls. 238 00:10:57,134 --> 00:10:59,624 We're not talking about South Carolina 239 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:01,569 snaggletooth call girls. 240 00:11:01,617 --> 00:11:07,187 We're talking about Hollywood honeys. 241 00:11:07,231 --> 00:11:11,371 He brings these girls into my suite, 242 00:11:11,409 --> 00:11:13,979 that I thought was my suite, 243 00:11:14,021 --> 00:11:16,591 and I'm drooling all over myself because I mean, 244 00:11:16,632 --> 00:11:19,502 I'm thinking, I don't even get to see women like this 245 00:11:19,548 --> 00:11:21,898 much less, you know... 246 00:11:21,942 --> 00:11:24,382 have this delivered to my room. 247 00:11:24,422 --> 00:11:29,602 And, in the process,he broke out a little mirror. 248 00:11:29,645 --> 00:11:33,605 And, he had his nose candy with him. 249 00:11:33,649 --> 00:11:36,479 The only thing I can think of is, you know, 250 00:11:36,521 --> 00:11:39,311 SWAT teams are gonna be knocking down the door here 251 00:11:39,350 --> 00:11:42,350 in a minute and we got two high price hookers 252 00:11:42,397 --> 00:11:44,967 and cocaine everywhere. 253 00:11:45,008 --> 00:11:46,618 I didn't know how to get out of the room. 254 00:11:46,662 --> 00:11:49,102 I really and truly wanted out of that room. 255 00:11:49,143 --> 00:11:52,713 I'm in California, I'm on his dime... 256 00:11:52,755 --> 00:11:56,715 I can't call the police. Hell, the room's in my name! 257 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:01,159 So, I kind of just sat over in the corner and, you know, 258 00:12:01,198 --> 00:12:02,978 I mean, it was like a live 259 00:12:03,026 --> 00:12:08,766 pornography session and... 260 00:12:08,815 --> 00:12:10,945 it was a very long night. 261 00:12:10,991 --> 00:12:13,381 ♪ 262 00:12:16,300 --> 00:12:19,260 This is my pride and joy. This is the original 263 00:12:19,303 --> 00:12:22,833 Television Championship belt for Sports Channel. 264 00:12:22,872 --> 00:12:25,922 It says UWF on both sides and, 265 00:12:25,962 --> 00:12:29,492 when you hold it like this, it was... 266 00:12:29,531 --> 00:12:31,491 fuck you to Vince McMahon, 267 00:12:31,533 --> 00:12:34,013 that's what the "FU" was standing for. 268 00:12:34,057 --> 00:12:35,577 So, when he would hold it up, 269 00:12:35,624 --> 00:12:37,894 Herb would hold it up, he knew that he was 270 00:12:37,931 --> 00:12:42,461 telling Vince McMahon to... have himself. 271 00:12:42,500 --> 00:12:46,980 Herb's vision for the UWF was toput the WWF out of business. 272 00:12:47,027 --> 00:12:49,327 I mean, he was that cocky. 273 00:12:49,377 --> 00:12:52,677 Herb was doing everything in power to intentionally 274 00:12:52,728 --> 00:12:55,428 needle McMahon and to piss 'em off. 275 00:12:55,470 --> 00:12:57,040 He wanted to squash Vince. 276 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,950 He wouldn't even be happy with peaceful coexistence. 277 00:12:59,996 --> 00:13:03,036 I think he just wanted to put the guy down. 278 00:13:03,086 --> 00:13:05,956 With rival WWF far out of view, 279 00:13:06,002 --> 00:13:08,882 Herb Abrams takes the opportunity to launch 280 00:13:08,918 --> 00:13:11,568 his first attack, bringing in one of 281 00:13:11,616 --> 00:13:15,926 Vince McMahon's most prized attractions. 282 00:13:15,969 --> 00:13:18,619 Herb calls me and he's so excited. 283 00:13:18,667 --> 00:13:21,837 He goes, "Lenny, get here as fast as you can. 284 00:13:21,888 --> 00:13:24,058 I'm not gonna tell you who's sitting here, 285 00:13:24,107 --> 00:13:25,977 but this is the best thing." 286 00:13:26,022 --> 00:13:27,332 Now, when I came out here before, 287 00:13:27,371 --> 00:13:31,251 I said I had a surprise. Something special... 288 00:13:31,288 --> 00:13:33,808 something that onlyUniversal Wrestling Federation 289 00:13:33,856 --> 00:13:34,986 can handle... 290 00:13:35,031 --> 00:13:36,601 The 12th wonder of the world, 291 00:13:36,641 --> 00:13:41,041 here he is, Andre the Giant! 292 00:13:41,081 --> 00:13:43,691 Yes, this is true, Andre the Giant has signed 293 00:13:43,735 --> 00:13:47,775 a long-term contract with theUniversal Wrestling Federation. 294 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:48,997 Well, he's not in his prime anymore 295 00:13:49,045 --> 00:13:50,475 as everybody knows, but... 296 00:13:50,525 --> 00:13:52,395 - He will be wrestling, John.- He will be wrestling? 297 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:53,480 He will be wrestling. 298 00:13:53,528 --> 00:13:55,398 They had Andre the Giant... 299 00:13:55,443 --> 00:13:57,883 Andre the Giant had come in. 300 00:13:57,924 --> 00:14:01,144 It was just colossal to have him walk down to the ring. 301 00:14:01,188 --> 00:14:02,928 Even though we maybe had 200, 302 00:14:02,972 --> 00:14:06,632 300 people in the audience, they were all standing, 303 00:14:06,671 --> 00:14:09,851 and they knew that we had hit. 304 00:14:09,892 --> 00:14:14,722 I want to ask you one thing: What does UWF mean? 305 00:14:14,766 --> 00:14:17,986 And after Andre made that appearance for UWF, 306 00:14:18,031 --> 00:14:19,681 Vince McMahon got on the phone and called him and 307 00:14:19,728 --> 00:14:21,118 brought him right back in. 308 00:14:21,164 --> 00:14:22,344 The 8th wonder of the world... 309 00:14:22,383 --> 00:14:27,393 - Andre the Giant! - [cheering] 310 00:14:27,431 --> 00:14:30,131 This is going to be very, very interesting. 311 00:14:30,173 --> 00:14:33,263 The embarrassment of losing Andre the Giant is 312 00:14:33,307 --> 00:14:36,567 an enormous blow to Herb's plan for dominance. 313 00:14:36,614 --> 00:14:39,924 Without McMahon's riches, Herb responds by throwing 314 00:14:39,966 --> 00:14:44,796 every gimmick in the book to gain the attention of fans. 315 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,360 Herb would think of things on the fly, 316 00:14:47,408 --> 00:14:49,188 change things on the fly. 317 00:14:49,236 --> 00:14:50,586 - Ladies and gentlemen... - What? 318 00:14:50,628 --> 00:14:53,538 This is a disgrace! I am reversing the decision! 319 00:14:53,588 --> 00:14:55,588 As long as it entertained Herb, 320 00:14:55,633 --> 00:14:57,813 he thought it was entertaining the world. 321 00:14:57,853 --> 00:15:00,383 The Viking is back. I told you I'm gonna hurt 322 00:15:00,421 --> 00:15:02,471 every pencil-neck, every pipsqueak. 323 00:15:02,510 --> 00:15:04,210 I want a cage match! 324 00:15:04,251 --> 00:15:05,641 Give me a strap match! 325 00:15:05,687 --> 00:15:07,947 Give me a strap match, no holds barred. 326 00:15:07,994 --> 00:15:10,394 I don't think he had the knowledge, you know, 327 00:15:10,431 --> 00:15:12,481 to really take it to the next level. 328 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:13,700 [Commentator] Southside flip. 329 00:15:13,738 --> 00:15:15,698 He went for a southside flip and he missed. 330 00:15:15,740 --> 00:15:17,390 [Brian] If you don't understandthe psychology, 331 00:15:17,438 --> 00:15:19,608 if you don't understand how each guy works, 332 00:15:19,657 --> 00:15:21,747 what their strengths are, what their weaknesses are, 333 00:15:21,790 --> 00:15:24,530 how to put them together,who they worked the best with, 334 00:15:24,575 --> 00:15:27,665 then, you are never going to be successful. 335 00:15:27,709 --> 00:15:30,759 Running out of ideas, Herb turns to yet another 336 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:33,979 new strategy to invigorate the UWF. 337 00:15:34,020 --> 00:15:35,410 What made you come to this-- 338 00:15:35,456 --> 00:15:38,146 Who is this overgrown Smurf hereasking me questions? 339 00:15:38,198 --> 00:15:40,978 I beg your pardon?! I beg your pardon?! 340 00:15:41,027 --> 00:15:44,027 I said, who is this overgrownSmurf asking me questions? 341 00:15:44,073 --> 00:15:46,773 It's interesting what happensto a promotion when the, 342 00:15:46,815 --> 00:15:50,035 when the boss becomes the,you know, the star of the show. 343 00:15:50,079 --> 00:15:52,819 Welcome back to another night of The Fury Hour. 344 00:15:52,864 --> 00:15:54,084 I'm Herb Abrams, and again, 345 00:15:54,127 --> 00:15:55,777 we've got a powerful show for you tonight. 346 00:15:55,824 --> 00:15:58,094 He was writing the checks, so Herb could do anything 347 00:15:58,131 --> 00:16:00,441 that he wanted to do because it was Herb's world and 348 00:16:00,481 --> 00:16:02,001 we were just living in it. 349 00:16:02,048 --> 00:16:04,958 You think about it! You think about it! 350 00:16:05,007 --> 00:16:06,697 'Cause you're the one that wanted it, 351 00:16:06,748 --> 00:16:08,048 and now you've got it! 352 00:16:08,097 --> 00:16:10,967 All I saw was money, TV. 353 00:16:11,013 --> 00:16:17,373 I was open to anything to getthe exposure that I was after. 354 00:16:17,411 --> 00:16:22,811 He saw a way to get heat and actually be on camera, 355 00:16:22,851 --> 00:16:26,381 and have a feud between The Colonel and 356 00:16:26,420 --> 00:16:28,940 the owner of the organization. 357 00:16:28,988 --> 00:16:31,078 [Commentator] What's Herb doing? 358 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,040 Herb took him down! 359 00:16:33,079 --> 00:16:36,259 Herb Abrams may have a new career, folks! 360 00:16:36,299 --> 00:16:38,169 [Marty] I knew as long as he was part of it, 361 00:16:38,214 --> 00:16:39,564 he would keep me around. 362 00:16:39,607 --> 00:16:41,037 [Commentator] Herb Abrams... 363 00:16:41,087 --> 00:16:43,087 he hit him right in the head with that cane. 364 00:16:43,132 --> 00:16:44,612 And another one! 365 00:16:44,655 --> 00:16:48,045 Colonel, no one has everdone something like this to me! 366 00:16:48,094 --> 00:16:51,884 I am going to get you, once and for all! 367 00:16:51,923 --> 00:16:53,973 Herb attempts to get one over McMahon by 368 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:57,583 emulating one of WWF's most lucrative ventures, 369 00:16:57,625 --> 00:16:59,235 merchandising. 370 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:02,539 Everybody's buzzing over the UWF merchandise! 371 00:17:02,586 --> 00:17:05,716 Call the UWF PowerLine, now. 372 00:17:05,763 --> 00:17:09,553 Introducing the UWF Superstars cookies. 373 00:17:09,593 --> 00:17:13,293 We've got the Steve Ray "Wild Thing" cookie. 374 00:17:13,336 --> 00:17:15,686 The Steve Williams cookie. 375 00:17:15,730 --> 00:17:18,690 And, coming soon, the Herbie cookie. 376 00:17:18,733 --> 00:17:21,083 Herbie cookies. Herbie. 377 00:17:21,127 --> 00:17:24,387 Let me repeat that for you, Herbie cookies. 378 00:17:24,434 --> 00:17:26,484 He also wanted the ice cream bar, 379 00:17:26,523 --> 00:17:28,873 but the cookies, they were, they were great. 380 00:17:28,917 --> 00:17:31,657 Now, let's not forget the B. Brian Blair cookie. 381 00:17:31,702 --> 00:17:33,492 It's honey-flavored. 382 00:17:33,530 --> 00:17:36,060 Herb is in desperate need of a power play when 383 00:17:36,098 --> 00:17:39,188 his television contract starts slipping away. 384 00:17:39,232 --> 00:17:41,062 Beach Brawl! The battle that crowned the 385 00:17:41,103 --> 00:17:42,843 Sports Channel Television Champion! 386 00:17:42,887 --> 00:17:45,237 Pay Per View. $14.95. 387 00:17:45,281 --> 00:17:47,241 The UWF Beach Brawl. 388 00:17:47,283 --> 00:17:49,373 Call your cable operator today! 389 00:17:49,416 --> 00:17:51,676 When I heard that Herb was putting out a Pay Per View, 390 00:17:51,722 --> 00:17:53,992 it seemed like the breakthrough moment. 391 00:17:54,029 --> 00:17:55,549 And it was proven by the WWF, 392 00:17:55,596 --> 00:17:57,026 it was proven by WCW. 393 00:17:57,076 --> 00:17:59,426 That's where they made the majority of their income, 394 00:17:59,469 --> 00:18:00,909 was through their Pay Per View events, 395 00:18:00,949 --> 00:18:02,729 and to Herb, to step into that arena, 396 00:18:02,777 --> 00:18:05,517 maybe he was expecting to roll the dice, 397 00:18:05,562 --> 00:18:09,522 get lucky, and then finance the whole operation. 398 00:18:09,566 --> 00:18:12,566 High expectations for the UWF's inaugural 399 00:18:12,613 --> 00:18:14,883 Pay Per View weigh heavily on Herb. 400 00:18:14,919 --> 00:18:16,969 Instead of holding the Beach Brawl in 401 00:18:17,008 --> 00:18:21,578 a largely populated area, Herb lands on Palmetto, Florida, 402 00:18:21,622 --> 00:18:25,192 over an hour away from the closest major city. 403 00:18:25,234 --> 00:18:27,674 Palmetto Manatee Civic Centerwas a nice venue. 404 00:18:27,715 --> 00:18:30,145 I mean, WWF does TV tapings out of there. 405 00:18:30,196 --> 00:18:31,366 I think that's one of the reasons why 406 00:18:31,414 --> 00:18:32,594 Herb picked that place. 407 00:18:32,633 --> 00:18:35,073 Herb said that he had every newspaper, 408 00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:36,904 he had every radio station... 409 00:18:36,941 --> 00:18:39,211 everyone was gonna give it a push to help him. 410 00:18:39,248 --> 00:18:41,728 Of course, we're real excitedabout the Beach Brawl and 411 00:18:41,772 --> 00:18:45,042 I would highly suggest that people call to secure 412 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,690 Beach Brawl right in their living room because 413 00:18:47,735 --> 00:18:51,125 it will be just that, a brawl at the beach. 414 00:18:51,173 --> 00:18:53,613 Hopefully, millions of fans watching the show. 415 00:18:53,654 --> 00:18:56,054 I go, and I look at this building, 416 00:18:56,091 --> 00:18:57,571 and I know that there's no way in hell 417 00:18:57,614 --> 00:18:59,404 we can sell this building out. 418 00:18:59,442 --> 00:19:02,972 Building was a mince. Building was bigger than 419 00:19:03,011 --> 00:19:05,881 any building I had ever seen in my entire life. 420 00:19:05,927 --> 00:19:11,147 And, I knew damn well that wedidn't sell this building out. 421 00:19:11,193 --> 00:19:13,203 Somebody screwed up. 422 00:19:13,239 --> 00:19:15,109 ♪ 423 00:19:17,982 --> 00:19:21,992 With the UWF's first Pay Per View event just days away, 424 00:19:22,030 --> 00:19:24,950 promoter Herb Abrams indulges in Florida's 425 00:19:24,989 --> 00:19:29,389 nightlife scene, letting it get the better of him. 426 00:19:29,429 --> 00:19:31,429 They talk about those people that work hard, play hard. 427 00:19:31,474 --> 00:19:32,954 That was Herb Abrams. 428 00:19:32,997 --> 00:19:35,087 [off-screen] What was his drugof choice, would you say? 429 00:19:35,130 --> 00:19:38,220 Um... 430 00:19:38,264 --> 00:19:41,484 Obviously, it was cocaine. 431 00:19:41,528 --> 00:19:46,188 There were more drugs back in the late 80s, 432 00:19:46,228 --> 00:19:50,708 early 90s than any other timein the history of pro wrestling. 433 00:19:50,754 --> 00:19:52,584 That was just, like, debauchery down there. 434 00:19:52,626 --> 00:19:54,796 I mean, they were staying up around the clock, partying. 435 00:19:54,845 --> 00:19:57,665 It was like one, big party for some of the guys. 436 00:19:57,718 --> 00:20:02,588 When I got to Florida,he was in his hotel room and, 437 00:20:02,636 --> 00:20:04,376 he had been partying. 438 00:20:04,420 --> 00:20:08,250 I found Herb to be in really,really bad shape, and 439 00:20:08,294 --> 00:20:10,604 I said to him, "You've gotta straighten yourself out. 440 00:20:10,644 --> 00:20:13,084 We've got this goddamn Pay Per View to do. 441 00:20:13,124 --> 00:20:15,654 You're' gonna kill yourself like you're doing this." 442 00:20:15,692 --> 00:20:19,782 "Ah, you know, Len, it's the stress I'm under." 443 00:20:19,827 --> 00:20:22,217 And I said to him, "Herb,when we're finished with this, 444 00:20:22,264 --> 00:20:24,054 we gotta get you into the rehab. 445 00:20:24,092 --> 00:20:27,972 If you don't go into rehab, I can't do this with you." 446 00:20:28,009 --> 00:20:31,189 Herb's distractions from the Beach Brawl comes to a head 447 00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:35,500 as he arrives to find thousands of empty seats at the arena. 448 00:20:35,538 --> 00:20:39,718 They had to cut the, the auditorium lights down 449 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,680 to do the TV show... 450 00:20:41,718 --> 00:20:43,808 so nobody would know there was nobody there. 451 00:20:43,851 --> 00:20:49,641 That's Pay Per View. That was a Pay Per View. 452 00:20:49,683 --> 00:20:51,823 When I saw how few people were in the audience, 453 00:20:51,859 --> 00:20:53,819 I said to Herb, "How can this be?" 454 00:20:53,861 --> 00:20:56,261 And he said, "Somebody screwed up." 455 00:20:56,298 --> 00:20:58,078 He tried to keep upbeat and he was in there doing the 456 00:20:58,126 --> 00:20:59,516 ring announcing and his thing, 457 00:20:59,562 --> 00:21:00,962 but I think that really hurt him. 458 00:21:00,998 --> 00:21:02,738 Brian, I'm gonna go with the Doc. 459 00:21:02,783 --> 00:21:04,353 I'm gonna go with the Doc. 460 00:21:04,393 --> 00:21:07,313 So, Herb Abrams going with Steve "Dr. Death" Williams. 461 00:21:07,353 --> 00:21:09,403 He was running in and out of the bathroom a lot 462 00:21:09,442 --> 00:21:13,402 that night so, obviously,he was doing a lot of cocaine. 463 00:21:13,446 --> 00:21:15,136 [Rick] It was the worst Pay Per View, I think, 464 00:21:15,186 --> 00:21:16,796 in Pay Per View history. 465 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,800 He got like a 0.01, you know, buy rate. 466 00:21:21,845 --> 00:21:24,455 That equates to maybe a hundred-- 467 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:27,020 it's either a hundred or a thousand people. 468 00:21:27,068 --> 00:21:30,288 It was a financial loss, a tremendous financial loss. 469 00:21:30,332 --> 00:21:31,812 Nobody was happy. 470 00:21:31,855 --> 00:21:34,945 All the guys were talking,you know, between themselves. 471 00:21:34,989 --> 00:21:36,949 And, they thought it might be the end of, 472 00:21:36,991 --> 00:21:38,341 you know, the promotion. 473 00:21:38,384 --> 00:21:40,084 I was a glass half full guy. 474 00:21:40,124 --> 00:21:42,134 I would see those empty seats and I would think that 475 00:21:42,170 --> 00:21:44,430 it was a way to do cool stuff. 476 00:21:44,477 --> 00:21:49,477 It was really clear that most of his best intentions 477 00:21:49,525 --> 00:21:51,915 were not going to come to fruition. 478 00:21:51,962 --> 00:21:54,792 With the event a financial disaster, 479 00:21:54,835 --> 00:21:57,615 and checks for the talent starting to bounce, 480 00:21:57,664 --> 00:22:01,764 the UWF wrestlers confront Herb face-to-face. 481 00:22:01,798 --> 00:22:04,368 I go, knock on his hotel door... 482 00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:05,980 so I can get my money. 483 00:22:06,020 --> 00:22:09,980 And, the door opens andthere's these two naked girls. 484 00:22:10,024 --> 00:22:13,384 So, not like I hadn't seen a naked girl before, 485 00:22:13,419 --> 00:22:15,599 but this was a little unusualand then I look and 486 00:22:15,638 --> 00:22:17,288 I see Herb on the bed. 487 00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:19,026 He's naked and he's laughing, 488 00:22:19,076 --> 00:22:21,426 and I look over and he's got two big ol' piles of cocaine 489 00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:24,210 on each night stand. 490 00:22:24,255 --> 00:22:26,515 It's a picture that's forever etched in my mind. 491 00:22:26,562 --> 00:22:28,132 So, he tells those girls to leave, 492 00:22:28,172 --> 00:22:30,002 and as they're getting dressed, 493 00:22:30,044 --> 00:22:33,094 Herb writes 'em a check for $2,000, each. 494 00:22:33,134 --> 00:22:36,364 I thought, golly, $2,000, you know, 495 00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:39,358 this guy's crazy,blowing money on cocaine and, 496 00:22:39,401 --> 00:22:42,011 and hookers. I mean, how long is... 497 00:22:42,056 --> 00:22:44,706 how long is this promotion gonna last? 498 00:22:44,754 --> 00:22:46,634 I had a guy tell me one day, he said, 499 00:22:46,669 --> 00:22:48,189 "You know this is a runaway train." 500 00:22:48,236 --> 00:22:50,586 I said, "No, bro, this is a train wreck, 501 00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:52,630 and all they're trying to do now is just figure out 502 00:22:52,675 --> 00:22:55,545 if there's any survivors." 503 00:22:55,591 --> 00:22:58,121 Herb Abrams' connections in the wrestling world 504 00:22:58,159 --> 00:22:59,729 start to dry up. 505 00:22:59,769 --> 00:23:02,769 Many of the wrestlers stiffed on pay are refusing 506 00:23:02,816 --> 00:23:06,336 to work while Herb's vices are taking hold. 507 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:10,075 I kept in contact with Herb evenwhen I did not work for Herb. 508 00:23:10,127 --> 00:23:12,297 You could see the wear and tear on his face. 509 00:23:12,347 --> 00:23:17,127 I mean, between the drugs and the failing promotion, 510 00:23:17,178 --> 00:23:20,488 it was really taking a toll on Herb. 511 00:23:20,529 --> 00:23:23,489 I don't think he was keeping up with money. 512 00:23:23,532 --> 00:23:25,752 I don't think it mattered to him, 513 00:23:25,795 --> 00:23:29,055 as long as the party continues. 514 00:23:29,103 --> 00:23:32,543 In Spartanburg, South Carolina, he pulled... 515 00:23:32,585 --> 00:23:34,715 a fast one. 516 00:23:34,761 --> 00:23:39,031 So, the day of the show arrives. 517 00:23:39,069 --> 00:23:43,119 TV crew gets thereabout 12 o'clock. Herb's there. 518 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,080 And, they said, "We need to get a check from you 519 00:23:47,121 --> 00:23:49,471 for tonight's show." Herb says, 520 00:23:49,515 --> 00:23:52,605 "Let me get everything set upand I'll cut you a check." 521 00:23:52,648 --> 00:23:58,048 So, we get up to about 4:30, TV crew came back and said, 522 00:23:58,088 --> 00:24:04,438 "Mr. Abrams, if you don't give us some money... 523 00:24:04,486 --> 00:24:06,356 we're packing up and leaving." 524 00:24:06,401 --> 00:24:11,011 Herb says, "Okay. Let's go up to the office." 525 00:24:11,058 --> 00:24:15,928 They call Herb's bank, "Ah, Mr. Abrams has 526 00:24:15,976 --> 00:24:19,936 multi-millions of dollars in this bank account." 527 00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:24,030 Confirms it. TV crews look at each other. 528 00:24:24,071 --> 00:24:28,211 They said, you know,"You definitely got the money." 529 00:24:28,249 --> 00:24:30,079 He had two bank accounts. 530 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:34,120 He had one that was filthy richand then he had the 531 00:24:34,168 --> 00:24:37,168 other bank account that he cut his check on 532 00:24:37,214 --> 00:24:40,524 that had no money in it. 533 00:24:40,566 --> 00:24:45,006 Herb worked something out where they accepted a check. 534 00:24:45,048 --> 00:24:47,008 And I told them, "Don't accept a check 535 00:24:47,050 --> 00:24:48,790 if you don't want to accept a check." 536 00:24:48,835 --> 00:24:50,575 And they accepted a check. 537 00:24:50,619 --> 00:24:53,969 All hell broke loose. 538 00:24:54,014 --> 00:24:57,024 Some of the guys that had worked that show threatened 539 00:24:57,060 --> 00:25:02,410 to throw Herb off the fifth-floor balcony, 540 00:25:02,457 --> 00:25:05,977 and that's when reality hit me upside the head. 541 00:25:06,026 --> 00:25:07,546 I was hiding out. 542 00:25:07,593 --> 00:25:09,033 I had people calling my phone, 543 00:25:09,072 --> 00:25:12,292 I mean, they were wanting to kill me for being 544 00:25:12,336 --> 00:25:14,856 associated with the company. 545 00:25:14,904 --> 00:25:17,174 ♪ 546 00:25:21,737 --> 00:25:24,957 As UWF leader, Herb Abrams, is now forced to 547 00:25:25,001 --> 00:25:29,441 promote shows in smaller towns, his party lifestyle grows 548 00:25:29,484 --> 00:25:34,234 more intense and his grasp on reality begins to slip. 549 00:25:34,271 --> 00:25:38,361 He would get in this paranoiastate where he would 550 00:25:38,406 --> 00:25:40,966 swear that there was someone with a bug, you know, 551 00:25:41,017 --> 00:25:42,577 in his hotel room. 552 00:25:42,628 --> 00:25:45,458 I seen him paranoid several times and, 553 00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:47,240 I'd ask, "What's wrong?" And he'd, like, 554 00:25:47,284 --> 00:25:48,904 just stare around and look around and say, 555 00:25:48,938 --> 00:25:51,418 "I think they're outside." And I said, "Who?" 556 00:25:51,462 --> 00:25:53,202 He goes, "They're watching us."I said, "Who?" 557 00:25:53,247 --> 00:25:54,897 And he would never tell me who it was. 558 00:25:54,944 --> 00:25:57,124 I don't know who he felt was recording him, 559 00:25:57,164 --> 00:25:59,564 whether it be the police, whether it be the hookers, 560 00:25:59,601 --> 00:26:01,341 whether it be the pimps. 561 00:26:01,385 --> 00:26:03,465 And I'm thinking, no one's spying on you, Herb. 562 00:26:03,518 --> 00:26:06,478 It's the drugs talking. 563 00:26:06,521 --> 00:26:10,661 He would go through the furniture and look for 564 00:26:10,699 --> 00:26:13,619 microphones or cameras, 565 00:26:13,659 --> 00:26:16,439 and he'd tear the furniture up,just tear it up to bits. 566 00:26:16,487 --> 00:26:19,707 For some reason, he had a fascination with cushions. 567 00:26:19,752 --> 00:26:23,672 And, if there was a zipper, he'd open them up... 568 00:26:23,712 --> 00:26:26,152 And, he'd just start ripping through them. 569 00:26:26,193 --> 00:26:27,983 I mean, he just ripped them out and, 570 00:26:28,021 --> 00:26:29,631 you know, and when that was ripped out, 571 00:26:29,675 --> 00:26:31,415 he'd go to the next one. 572 00:26:31,459 --> 00:26:33,679 All the feathers would have been all over the room. 573 00:26:33,722 --> 00:26:37,122 I mean, you know, he wanted everything. 574 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,770 That paranoia thing... 575 00:26:39,815 --> 00:26:42,775 it concerned me because 576 00:26:42,818 --> 00:26:44,948 there was some truth behind some of that. 577 00:26:44,994 --> 00:26:49,654 [Marty] Is, he would go over to the door, 578 00:26:49,695 --> 00:26:52,085 and the peep hole... 579 00:26:52,132 --> 00:26:55,052 and he would look through thepeep hole like this right here. 580 00:26:55,091 --> 00:26:58,401 Now, you gotta understand, here's this 5-foot tall, 581 00:26:58,442 --> 00:27:02,802 little naked Jewish fella with cowboy boots. 582 00:27:02,838 --> 00:27:04,228 That's the one thing he didn't take off, 583 00:27:04,274 --> 00:27:10,504 was his cowboy boots. And he's going, "Sh. Sh." 584 00:27:10,541 --> 00:27:12,461 I said, "What's wrong, Herb?" 585 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:14,630 [whispers] "They're coming. They're coming. 586 00:27:14,676 --> 00:27:18,376 You can hear them. They're coming. Sh..." 587 00:27:18,419 --> 00:27:20,419 [off-screen] What are you thinking around this time? 588 00:27:20,464 --> 00:27:23,514 Oh... 589 00:27:23,554 --> 00:27:26,824 Yeah, they're probably coming. 590 00:27:26,862 --> 00:27:30,262 Herb's problems escalate further when he tries to 591 00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:32,430 put one over on the wrong people. 592 00:27:32,476 --> 00:27:34,086 Here he is, he's with this girl 593 00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:36,570 who he's supposed to pay up. And, he's doing this, 594 00:27:36,611 --> 00:27:38,401 "Well, I'll give you a check,"type thing. 595 00:27:38,439 --> 00:27:40,049 "No, you're supposed to give me cash." 596 00:27:40,093 --> 00:27:44,103 She's not falling for it. Boom, door breaks down. 597 00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:47,800 Thugs there. Herb's eyes pop out. 598 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,930 He goes and throws himself through a window. 599 00:27:51,974 --> 00:27:54,934 I literally get a phone call from him in California, 600 00:27:54,977 --> 00:27:57,107 he's running through a neighborhood, naked. 601 00:27:57,153 --> 00:27:59,373 -And he's like, "What do I do? -What do I do?" 602 00:27:59,416 --> 00:28:03,066 And I said, "Make yourself visible. I don't care. 603 00:28:03,116 --> 00:28:07,856 Make people see you. Get arrested. Go to jail." 604 00:28:07,903 --> 00:28:09,913 And, that probably wouldn't have been a smart thing 605 00:28:09,949 --> 00:28:11,859 because she probably had contacts in there as well, 606 00:28:11,907 --> 00:28:13,557 but anyway... 607 00:28:13,604 --> 00:28:16,874 Herb's excessive lifestyle has finally reached its limit, 608 00:28:16,912 --> 00:28:19,312 and his activities in wrestling cease. 609 00:28:19,349 --> 00:28:23,439 Any comeback for the UWF seems near impossible. 610 00:28:23,484 --> 00:28:26,574 Meanwhile, his old rival, Vince McMahon, 611 00:28:26,617 --> 00:28:30,487 stages one of his most flamboyant events yet. 612 00:28:30,534 --> 00:28:33,544 The spectacle of WrestleMania IX shows 613 00:28:33,581 --> 00:28:38,151 Las Vegas casinos that wrestling can be a huge draw. 614 00:28:38,194 --> 00:28:42,204 For Herb, it opens the door to a golden opportunity 615 00:28:42,242 --> 00:28:47,162 in the city of second chances, his first event in over a year, 616 00:28:47,203 --> 00:28:49,253 The Black Jack Brawl. 617 00:28:49,292 --> 00:28:53,862 What better way to showcase your product than in 618 00:28:53,906 --> 00:28:57,776 one of the preeminent locations in Las Vegas, 619 00:28:57,823 --> 00:29:00,223 or in the world for that matter? 620 00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:04,090 For Herb to pull off the MGM grand, it's... 621 00:29:04,133 --> 00:29:06,183 it's a wager city, it's a betting city. 622 00:29:06,222 --> 00:29:09,012 So, obviously, he got somebody to take the bet. 623 00:29:09,051 --> 00:29:11,051 That was his deal. That was his motif. 624 00:29:11,097 --> 00:29:12,397 That's what he did. 625 00:29:12,446 --> 00:29:14,446 And he would go for the biggest freaking bite 626 00:29:14,491 --> 00:29:16,581 he could get and he'd take it. 627 00:29:16,624 --> 00:29:19,584 He was spending an enormous amount of money on 628 00:29:19,627 --> 00:29:21,977 the talent that he was bringing in for it. 629 00:29:22,021 --> 00:29:25,811 It was a loaded show with big, big names. 630 00:29:25,851 --> 00:29:28,811 And it just seemed like a party. 631 00:29:28,854 --> 00:29:32,164 The night before the show, Herb brings me up 632 00:29:32,205 --> 00:29:35,945 to his penthouse suite. When I saw the suite, 633 00:29:35,991 --> 00:29:38,951 I believed that MGM was gonna be packed. 634 00:29:38,994 --> 00:29:42,744 I was thinking 17,000 people packed to the rafters. 635 00:29:42,781 --> 00:29:45,131 I mean, this overlooked the whole city. 636 00:29:45,174 --> 00:29:48,794 And Herb goes, "Wait 'til you see this. 637 00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:51,490 People are going to lose their minds." 638 00:29:51,528 --> 00:29:54,008 ♪ 639 00:29:54,053 --> 00:29:58,193 He proceeds to pull out a pair of yellow ostrich skin 640 00:29:58,231 --> 00:30:02,841 cowboy boots that have "UWF" burnished into the leather. 641 00:30:02,888 --> 00:30:06,328 The fact that he thoughtpeople would lose their minds 642 00:30:06,369 --> 00:30:09,019 over a pair of cowboy boots was an indicator that 643 00:30:09,068 --> 00:30:11,638 there were issues. 644 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:15,469 Making their way into the luxurious MGM Grand, 645 00:30:15,509 --> 00:30:18,159 UWF talent discover, once again, 646 00:30:18,207 --> 00:30:21,687 that Herb's reach is leagues beyond his grasp. 647 00:30:21,732 --> 00:30:23,002 [Mick] It was a gorgeous arena. 648 00:30:23,038 --> 00:30:25,868 That night, it was a gorgeous, empty arena. 649 00:30:25,911 --> 00:30:28,041 [Rick] It was, like, sad to wrestle in front of, 650 00:30:28,087 --> 00:30:30,177 you know, a couple hundred people again. 651 00:30:30,219 --> 00:30:33,139 You know, my first match was in Clarksburg, West Virginia 652 00:30:33,179 --> 00:30:34,439 and we had 300 people, 653 00:30:34,484 --> 00:30:37,754 but we were at the Clarksburg Armory. 654 00:30:37,792 --> 00:30:40,882 He didn't seem bothered by what was going on, 655 00:30:40,926 --> 00:30:43,666 almost like it was part of the grand plan. 656 00:30:43,711 --> 00:30:46,411 Like, okay, those 300 people are gonna be checking out 657 00:30:46,453 --> 00:30:48,543 my ostrich skin boots. 658 00:30:48,585 --> 00:30:51,275 He was just a bundle ofenergy running here to there, 659 00:30:51,327 --> 00:30:53,067 and he was involved in everything. 660 00:30:53,112 --> 00:30:56,202 It really was an embarrassmentand, you know, 661 00:30:56,245 --> 00:30:58,805 he was really outrageous during that show. 662 00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:02,207 He might have been coked up throughout that entire show. 663 00:31:02,251 --> 00:31:05,211 I mean, he takes the microphoneand he just screams into it, 664 00:31:05,254 --> 00:31:06,564 "Let's hear it for the Jews!" 665 00:31:06,603 --> 00:31:08,263 I mean, in front of the crowd. 666 00:31:08,301 --> 00:31:09,781 I mean, it was kind of hilarious. 667 00:31:09,824 --> 00:31:11,524 It was sad.... 668 00:31:11,565 --> 00:31:14,435 all, all in the same way. It was kind of weird. 669 00:31:14,481 --> 00:31:17,961 He was acting very strangely. 670 00:31:18,006 --> 00:31:19,966 His mannerisms were different. 671 00:31:20,008 --> 00:31:22,008 The showdown will take place! 672 00:31:22,054 --> 00:31:25,714 Steve "Dr. Death" Williams puts the title on the line 673 00:31:25,753 --> 00:31:31,063 against "Malicioius" Sid Vicious! 674 00:31:31,106 --> 00:31:32,796 Say, I'm happy to have you as champion, 675 00:31:32,847 --> 00:31:35,497 but I'm glad you got busted up. Ha! 676 00:31:35,545 --> 00:31:38,285 Herb's not making too many friends tonight, John. 677 00:31:38,331 --> 00:31:42,601 He was twitching and jumping and such, 678 00:31:42,639 --> 00:31:44,689 so they all knew he was high. 679 00:31:44,728 --> 00:31:49,038 On that night, I had a chance towrestle my idol, Jimmy Snuka. 680 00:31:49,081 --> 00:31:53,001 And when Jimmy Snuka andI start heading into the stands, 681 00:31:53,041 --> 00:31:56,571 you know, 16,700 empty seats, 682 00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:59,180 I remember Brian Blair going,"What are you doing?" 683 00:31:59,221 --> 00:32:02,571 I said, "It's Herb's show. We can do whatever we want." 684 00:32:02,616 --> 00:32:04,096 They're high. They're way up there! 685 00:32:04,139 --> 00:32:09,359 Ladies and gentlemen, we havea double disqualification! 686 00:32:09,405 --> 00:32:12,755 The downside is that check did not clear. 687 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,980 He wrote me a check... 688 00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:18,940 It... it bounced. 689 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:21,420 [Brian] It was a failure and... 690 00:32:21,461 --> 00:32:23,121 you know, that's gotta hurt. 691 00:32:23,158 --> 00:32:26,638 He had the weight of the world on his shoulder. 692 00:32:26,683 --> 00:32:30,603 I would never have wanted to beHerb Abrams in his position. 693 00:32:30,644 --> 00:32:33,474 And when he came back, he toldme how successful it was. 694 00:32:33,516 --> 00:32:35,336 "I had the MGM, Len." 695 00:32:35,388 --> 00:32:38,698 "Yeah, you drew 200 people andit was a total clusterfuck." 696 00:32:38,739 --> 00:32:41,349 And he says, "Yeah, but I had the MGM." 697 00:32:41,394 --> 00:32:43,744 ♪ 698 00:32:48,227 --> 00:32:51,057 Emotionally and physically defeated by his failure in 699 00:32:51,099 --> 00:32:54,449 Las Vegas, Herb's dreams of a wrestling triumph 700 00:32:54,494 --> 00:32:56,764 may finally be over. 701 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,370 The lifestyle took, took a toll on Herb. 702 00:32:59,412 --> 00:33:03,072 He didn't have the spunkthat he had, that electricity, 703 00:33:03,111 --> 00:33:06,771 constant, constant spark that made the room glow. 704 00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:09,810 You know, it was like he aged ten years in two years. 705 00:33:09,857 --> 00:33:14,467 It was such a big deal that he left LA for good, 706 00:33:14,514 --> 00:33:16,044 he came back to New York. 707 00:33:16,081 --> 00:33:19,521 I thought he, I thought he wasreally cleaning himself up. 708 00:33:19,562 --> 00:33:22,522 So, I get a phone call from Herb and he goes, 709 00:33:22,565 --> 00:33:24,915 "Len, big things are happening." 710 00:33:24,959 --> 00:33:27,479 I go, "Herb, are you sure you're straight?" 711 00:33:27,527 --> 00:33:31,177 He goes, "Len, I'm perfectly straight." 712 00:33:31,226 --> 00:33:34,526 On July 17th 1996, 713 00:33:34,577 --> 00:33:36,797 longtime friend visits Herb 714 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,840 at his office in New York city. 715 00:33:38,886 --> 00:33:42,926 This is the last-known recording of Herb Abrams. 716 00:33:42,977 --> 00:33:47,457 - Hey! Come in. - Hey! Herbie! 717 00:33:47,503 --> 00:33:49,203 You want to look around here first? 718 00:33:49,244 --> 00:33:53,074 Yeah, we're looking. 719 00:33:53,118 --> 00:33:56,428 -You know, I can't keep, -I can't keep a house together 720 00:33:56,469 --> 00:33:58,509 myself 'cause it's, it's just too much work. 721 00:33:58,558 --> 00:34:00,818 - Are you happy? - I'm very happy. 722 00:34:00,864 --> 00:34:02,694 - I've never been happier. - Okay. 723 00:34:02,736 --> 00:34:04,386 Never been happier. 724 00:34:04,433 --> 00:34:06,573 Can we be filming this, or is this supposed to be a...? 725 00:34:06,609 --> 00:34:08,349 Well, you need to get a release from me. 726 00:34:08,394 --> 00:34:10,184 [laughs] 727 00:34:10,222 --> 00:34:13,272 Herb appears to have turned a corner on his sobriety, 728 00:34:13,312 --> 00:34:15,102 but his friends are left in the dark 729 00:34:15,140 --> 00:34:17,710 as he suddenly disappears. 730 00:34:17,751 --> 00:34:20,881 '96, when I was working in the offices with him, 731 00:34:20,928 --> 00:34:22,498 sometimes, you know, he'd come in the next day 732 00:34:22,538 --> 00:34:23,708 all hung over. 733 00:34:23,757 --> 00:34:25,147 Sometimes he wouldn't even come in at all. 734 00:34:25,193 --> 00:34:26,763 Sometimes you wouldn't see him for a couple days or 735 00:34:26,803 --> 00:34:28,333 hear from him for a couple days. 736 00:34:28,370 --> 00:34:31,810 So, that was just Herb being Herb. 737 00:34:31,852 --> 00:34:36,732 I was working at NBC. I got a call from Stacy, my wife. 738 00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:38,690 And she said, "Lenny, I have some really, 739 00:34:38,728 --> 00:34:41,778 really bad news. Sunny Beach called, 740 00:34:41,818 --> 00:34:45,688 and Herb's passed away. Herb's dead. 741 00:34:45,735 --> 00:34:48,475 Sunny's crying on the phone." 742 00:34:48,521 --> 00:34:51,131 So, I call Sunny Beachand I go, "What is going on?" 743 00:34:51,176 --> 00:34:52,866 Nobody knew what happened. 744 00:34:52,916 --> 00:34:54,876 And then, his mother called me up. 745 00:34:54,918 --> 00:34:57,308 And then, it was just like a... 746 00:34:57,356 --> 00:34:58,746 a blur after that. 747 00:34:58,792 --> 00:35:01,142 I must have cried for like two hours. 748 00:35:01,186 --> 00:35:05,836 And it was just the hardest thing to call those men, 749 00:35:05,886 --> 00:35:08,716 and then to hear them all start to cry. 750 00:35:08,758 --> 00:35:12,588 These super gargantuan, strong men that you saw 751 00:35:12,632 --> 00:35:17,382 fly across the ring, all cry over Herb dying, 752 00:35:17,419 --> 00:35:20,639 and me not being able to almost talk. 753 00:35:20,683 --> 00:35:24,033 On July 23rd 1996, 754 00:35:24,078 --> 00:35:26,908 officers respond to an unbelievable scene 755 00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:28,870 at the office of Herb Abrams. 756 00:35:28,909 --> 00:35:31,829 Details are sparse, and those closest to Herb 757 00:35:31,868 --> 00:35:34,958 would hear varying accounts of the disturbing events 758 00:35:35,002 --> 00:35:37,532 as they unfolded. 759 00:35:37,570 --> 00:35:39,440 It was kind of like how someone would say if they 760 00:35:39,485 --> 00:35:42,395 walked into his hotel roomand saw him, you know, naked. 761 00:35:42,444 --> 00:35:45,454 That's, that's a real shock to some people. 762 00:35:45,491 --> 00:35:49,061 Okay, to me, that was part of his process of 763 00:35:49,103 --> 00:35:50,453 what he was going through. 764 00:35:50,496 --> 00:35:51,846 [Rick] The night that I guess he passed away, 765 00:35:51,888 --> 00:35:53,498 he was partying, drinking, 766 00:35:53,542 --> 00:35:55,462 he had a couple of escorts up there with him. 767 00:35:55,501 --> 00:35:58,201 I heard that he had done so much cocaine that 768 00:35:58,243 --> 00:36:01,513 he was whacked and,he'd found a baseball bat and 769 00:36:01,550 --> 00:36:04,160 started tearing up the room that he was in and 770 00:36:04,205 --> 00:36:07,505 just went absolutely berserk. 771 00:36:07,556 --> 00:36:09,516 [John] I heard that he was covered in 772 00:36:09,558 --> 00:36:12,298 either oil or Vaseline and cocaine. 773 00:36:12,344 --> 00:36:13,874 It was crazy. 774 00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:16,870 And he was chasing aroundhookers with this baseball bat. 775 00:36:16,913 --> 00:36:19,223 Somebody told me that theescorts tried to rob him, too, 776 00:36:19,264 --> 00:36:20,794 and that's why he grabbed the bat. 777 00:36:20,830 --> 00:36:22,920 That's a sight to see, I'm sure. 778 00:36:22,963 --> 00:36:25,793 So, I call Sunny Beach and I go, "What is going on?" 779 00:36:25,835 --> 00:36:29,095 And he says, "Exactly what it says in the tabloids, 780 00:36:29,143 --> 00:36:32,763 that Herb was running around naked, 781 00:36:32,799 --> 00:36:36,889 smashing a baseball bat on the walls in the office, 782 00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:41,113 chasing a couple of hookerswith coke all over his body." 783 00:36:41,155 --> 00:36:43,545 Had baby oil all over him and, 784 00:36:43,592 --> 00:36:45,122 I guess somebody called the police. 785 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:46,809 I heard somebody called the police on him. 786 00:36:46,856 --> 00:36:49,726 [Steve] There was rumors likehe got sodomized by police 787 00:36:49,772 --> 00:36:51,082 with their batons. 788 00:36:51,121 --> 00:36:52,381 I mean, I heard that and I'm going, 789 00:36:52,427 --> 00:36:53,947 "What the hell?" 790 00:36:53,994 --> 00:36:55,604 [Rick] I guess one of the girlsran out of the office and 791 00:36:55,648 --> 00:36:57,868 shut the door behind them andI think he ran into it, 792 00:36:57,911 --> 00:36:59,831 and I think that's how he passed away. 793 00:36:59,869 --> 00:37:01,959 [John] When the police showed up, 794 00:37:02,002 --> 00:37:06,182 I heard he had a massive coronary and died. 795 00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:08,104 And what I'm told is that 796 00:37:08,138 --> 00:37:10,708 he took his clothes off in the jail and... 797 00:37:10,750 --> 00:37:14,280 he had a seizure and it killed him. 798 00:37:14,319 --> 00:37:15,889 [Rick] Nobody knew if he was robbed, 799 00:37:15,929 --> 00:37:18,369 nobody knew if he got beat up with a baseball bat. 800 00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:20,370 So, there was all kinds of stories going around 801 00:37:20,412 --> 00:37:22,812 at the time and nobody knew the true story. 802 00:37:22,849 --> 00:37:25,679 Still, we don't know 'cause I wasn't there so, you know, 803 00:37:25,721 --> 00:37:27,721 you never believe everything you hear. 804 00:37:27,767 --> 00:37:30,677 Chasing hookers around and, you know, 805 00:37:30,726 --> 00:37:32,726 all greased up and... 806 00:37:32,772 --> 00:37:36,252 died in the back of a police car. 807 00:37:36,297 --> 00:37:38,997 The one thing I know is that 808 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:45,999 Herb Abrams left this world doing what he loved... 809 00:37:46,046 --> 00:37:47,996 cocaine and hookers. 810 00:37:48,048 --> 00:37:51,048 ♪ 811 00:37:54,097 --> 00:37:56,837 The wild and conflicting circumstances surrounding 812 00:37:56,883 --> 00:38:00,023 Herb Abrams' death overshadow his already 813 00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:03,280 extreme life and reach urban legend status 814 00:38:03,324 --> 00:38:05,594 within the wrestling world. 815 00:38:05,631 --> 00:38:08,421 It kind of became folklore. 816 00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:10,460 Everywhere we go, you get a Herb Abrams story, 817 00:38:10,505 --> 00:38:11,805 you know, and... 818 00:38:11,854 --> 00:38:13,734 some are better than others, some are true. 819 00:38:13,769 --> 00:38:16,079 Some, you don't know what to believe. 820 00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:19,339 When they told me he died... 821 00:38:19,384 --> 00:38:23,214 I said, "No, he's faked his death. He's left. 822 00:38:23,257 --> 00:38:25,127 He's left the country." 823 00:38:25,172 --> 00:38:29,482 And I hate to talk ill of the dead - if he's dead - 824 00:38:29,524 --> 00:38:32,484 but I had a... 825 00:38:32,527 --> 00:38:35,657 promotion that was down in Union, South Carolina 826 00:38:35,704 --> 00:38:41,284 that ran under UWF,and this promoter swore to me 827 00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:47,189 that the night of his show, this little fella 828 00:38:47,237 --> 00:38:52,067 came to the show in blue jeansand cowboy boots and 829 00:38:52,112 --> 00:38:56,812 asked him what the name of the organization was. 830 00:38:56,856 --> 00:38:59,206 And he swore it. 831 00:38:59,249 --> 00:39:00,509 He said, "I'm telling you," he said, 832 00:39:00,555 --> 00:39:03,375 "that Herb Abrams showed up at my show." 833 00:39:03,428 --> 00:39:06,868 And because it said UWF, this person gave them 834 00:39:06,909 --> 00:39:09,479 the riot act that he would sue them, 835 00:39:09,521 --> 00:39:13,481 and it was as if Herb was legitimately alive. 836 00:39:13,525 --> 00:39:16,955 And, I said to Marty, "Herb's dead." 837 00:39:17,006 --> 00:39:19,176 I question. 838 00:39:19,226 --> 00:39:22,526 [Mick] Herb Abrams couldn't keep quiet for 30 years. 839 00:39:22,577 --> 00:39:25,357 I mean, maybe he went underwitness protect-- I don't know. 840 00:39:25,406 --> 00:39:27,186 He would find a way to resurface. 841 00:39:27,234 --> 00:39:31,854 No, I find it completely unfeasible that Herb Abrams 842 00:39:31,891 --> 00:39:34,981 is alive and not seeking the limelight somewhere. 843 00:39:35,024 --> 00:39:37,294 And I know that if he was still alive 844 00:39:37,331 --> 00:39:39,461 he would have come and found me. 845 00:39:39,507 --> 00:39:43,377 He would have let me know that he was alive. 846 00:39:43,424 --> 00:39:45,304 He would have... 847 00:39:45,339 --> 00:39:47,039 he would have done everything he could 848 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,690 to send a message somehow. 849 00:39:49,735 --> 00:39:51,945 He wouldn't have stayed away 30 years. 850 00:39:51,998 --> 00:39:54,478 ♪ 851 00:39:54,522 --> 00:39:57,402 He wouldn't have stayed away 30 years. 852 00:39:57,438 --> 00:39:59,788 [Rick] [sighs] Herb, we miss you. 853 00:39:59,832 --> 00:40:01,532 Wish you were still here with us. 854 00:40:01,573 --> 00:40:04,973 ♪ 855 00:40:05,011 --> 00:40:07,191 You know, could have been a great thing. 856 00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:08,450 [off-screen] What's that? 857 00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:11,973 You know, the UWF and... 858 00:40:12,018 --> 00:40:14,758 just what he was doing, if... 859 00:40:14,803 --> 00:40:16,243 he would have had a little bit more backing, 860 00:40:16,283 --> 00:40:17,943 a little bit more support, 861 00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:21,380 I think it could have went a long way. 862 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:26,469 And now I'm visiting Herb in a cemetery. 863 00:40:26,511 --> 00:40:29,381 We deal, we cope, and we go on. 864 00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:32,727 ♪ 865 00:40:32,778 --> 00:40:35,778 I actually inherited Herb's dog after he passed away. 866 00:40:37,913 --> 00:40:39,523 Cokey. 867 00:40:39,567 --> 00:40:42,697 It was snow white, the dog, and it was 868 00:40:42,744 --> 00:40:45,704 laying in the coke and Herb called it Cokey. 869 00:40:45,747 --> 00:40:48,707 Herb loved that dog to death. 870 00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:51,620 Herb's style was always to be a generous guy, 871 00:40:51,666 --> 00:40:53,226 picked up the tab for everything. 872 00:40:53,276 --> 00:40:57,496 But again, that's easy to do with other people's money. 873 00:40:57,542 --> 00:40:58,982 If it was his hard-earned money, 874 00:40:59,021 --> 00:41:01,071 he would still do the same. 875 00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:02,900 [Rick] I think he was justalways trying to prove himself, 876 00:41:02,938 --> 00:41:05,458 always wanting to be liked, or always wanted to be 877 00:41:05,506 --> 00:41:07,246 somebody to be respected. 878 00:41:07,290 --> 00:41:10,160 But, we all respected him and we all liked him. 879 00:41:10,206 --> 00:41:12,296 [off-screen] How did you feelafter he passed? 880 00:41:12,339 --> 00:41:15,299 ♪ 881 00:41:15,342 --> 00:41:20,132 It was a loss of someone who... 882 00:41:20,173 --> 00:41:22,093 Hm. 883 00:41:22,131 --> 00:41:25,611 ♪ 884 00:41:25,657 --> 00:41:29,437 Someone who believed in me. 885 00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:34,317 [sniffles] 886 00:41:34,361 --> 00:41:38,541 [sighs] And... 887 00:41:38,583 --> 00:41:41,933 ♪ 888 00:41:41,977 --> 00:41:45,977 [sniffles] 889 00:41:46,025 --> 00:41:52,335 I have to say that he truly brought life. 890 00:41:52,379 --> 00:41:55,029 He brought it out of me. 891 00:41:55,077 --> 00:42:03,957 ♪ 892 00:42:03,999 --> 00:42:05,779 I think Herb should be remembered as a person who 893 00:42:05,827 --> 00:42:10,137 tried to do something specialin the wrestling industry. 894 00:42:10,179 --> 00:42:14,879 [John] I think Herb Abrams isthis bizarre character who 895 00:42:14,923 --> 00:42:17,143 wanted to become a major playerin the pro wrestling business 896 00:42:17,186 --> 00:42:20,666 and he was never able to succeed'cause he got in his own way, 897 00:42:20,712 --> 00:42:22,282 from his personal demons, 898 00:42:22,322 --> 00:42:24,672 to the way he ran his business. 899 00:42:24,716 --> 00:42:26,936 [Lenny] The worst thing that Herb Abrams did, 900 00:42:26,979 --> 00:42:30,769 whether you hear about thathe was involved with hookers or, 901 00:42:30,809 --> 00:42:34,249 or coke, or this, or not paying people, 902 00:42:34,290 --> 00:42:37,290 the worst thing that Herb Abramsever did to me was die. 903 00:42:37,337 --> 00:42:41,687 It's haunted me for the entiretime of this 30 years and 904 00:42:41,733 --> 00:42:44,303 that's the only reason that I've ever talked about-- 905 00:42:44,344 --> 00:42:48,704 it's the first time I've everlet the secret of the UWF out. 906 00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:53,610 And, you have it, the best thatI could give it to you today. 907 00:42:53,658 --> 00:42:57,708 He had the enthusiasm and I think the courage 908 00:42:57,749 --> 00:42:59,619 to try to live out his dream. 909 00:42:59,664 --> 00:43:04,974 He was such a diehard fan that that was his downfall. 910 00:43:05,017 --> 00:43:07,717 He would love the negative that's on the internet. 911 00:43:07,759 --> 00:43:08,929 He would love it all. 912 00:43:10,892 --> 00:43:16,122 'Cause he was Herb Abrams. He was a thing unto himself. 913 00:43:16,158 --> 00:43:19,378 I have to believe this is the way Herb would want it. 914 00:43:19,422 --> 00:43:23,432 Like, maybe he got in death what he didn't have in life 915 00:43:23,470 --> 00:43:25,990 and that is he became a legend. 916 00:43:32,697 --> 00:43:34,387 Time. 917 00:43:34,437 --> 00:43:39,697 [laughs] 918 00:43:39,747 --> 00:43:42,917 Yeah, there's no way Herb's gonna keep his taxes. 919 00:43:42,968 --> 00:43:45,748 I just think he'd be behind bars. 920 00:43:45,797 --> 00:43:49,097 He would have hurt no one except himself and, 921 00:43:49,148 --> 00:43:52,928 I'd be visiting him and we'd be toasting with 922 00:43:52,978 --> 00:43:55,148 a glass of milk and Herbie cookies. 923 00:43:55,197 --> 00:43:59,067 ♪ 73952

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