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[Narrator] Previously,
on Dark Side of the Ring.
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If you're a wrestling fan,
how could you not be
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a fan of Chris Benoit's work?
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[Announcer] With a headbutt
directly to the heart!
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This is my favourite page
because this is the love
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that Chris and
Nancy always had.
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Chris was always very
much a great father,
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very much about his family.
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He was my hero, you know.
I looked up to him.
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I have never, ever seen
a closer friendship
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as I did between
Chris and Eddie.
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[match bell chimes]
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Eddie Guerrero
has passed away.
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My next thought was,
oh, my god, Chris.
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I love you, Eddie.
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He didn't handle it well.
Let me just say it like that.
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Nancy started
getting really worried.
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She's like, "I'm really
worried for Chris."
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I just had this
really bad feeling.
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We have more for you now
on a developing story
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in Fayette County.
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The deaths of a pro
wrestler and his family.
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In the immediate wake
of Chris Benoit's death,
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the world is desperately
searching for answers.
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What comes to light
goes beyond anything
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anyone could imagine.
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People just couldn't believe it,
couldn't fathom that
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something like that
could happen.
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It can't be real.
Like, where's my nephew?
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That can't have happened
because the person that
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I knew would not do
this horrific thing.
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But I think this is
gonna be gigantic.
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It will affect WWE.
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Well, the question is, was he
on steroids at this time?
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Did the blows to the
head Benoit received in the
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wrestling ring fundamentally
change his brain?
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It really, really was the
darkest time in my life.
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♪
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♪
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Fayette County, Georgia
is a laid back community.
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It's more a
family atmosphere.
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Not a whole lot of crime.
It's pretty peaceful.
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My name is Larry Alden.
I was...
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with the Fayette County
Sheriff's Office.
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I was the lieutenant in
charge of the shift that was
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working the day of
the Benoit incident.
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I had been a detective
for about 15 or 20 years.
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I'd probably see Chris Benoit
once or twice a week
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at the gym, which was right
in the middle of Fayetteville.
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He didn't talk a lot,
and he was pretty
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focused on getting
his workout in.
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I never heard
anything about him.
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I didn't even know
where he lived at until
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the call came out on
the radio that day.
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[phone call]
My name is Dennis Fagan.
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I run the security
for World Wrestling,
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and one of our wrestlers that
lives down there is missing.
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[9-1-1] And what's his name?
[Dennis] Chris Benoit.
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[9-1-1] Okay.
And he's a, a wrestler?
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[Dennis] Yes, he's--
What happened--
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He's a very religious gentleman
and yesterday,
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he was supposed to show up
at a Pay Per View and
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never got on the plane,
never showed up.
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It's unlike-- it's out
of character for him.
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[9-1-1] Alright. We'll go ahead
and send somebody
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out there to check on him.
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If you want to call us back
in like 45 minutes or so.
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If he's there, we'll tell
him to give you a call.
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[Larry] I was in my patrol car,
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just riding around
the county and,
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was pretty close to the
area when the call went out.
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I wasn't thinking of anything
other than a welfare check,
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or maybe he had--
was sick, maybe drunk.
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Didn't really know what.
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I pulled up on scene about time
the neighbor was walking over,
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and I walked up to them
and I asked if
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she had seen Mr. Benoit
or anybody.
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And she said,
"It's been 3 or 4 days
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since I've seen
anybody over there."
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There was two large
canines in the yard.
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If I remember correctly,
they were German Shepherds.
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We asked her if there was any
place she could put the dogs at
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so that we could go up there
and do the welfare check.
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And she said, "Oh, yeah.
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Me and the dogs
get along great.
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I feed them whenever
they're out of town."
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And, she jumped the fence.
The dogs right there with her.
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She walked 'em in there,
never had to take a hold to 'em.
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It was taking a little longer
than I thought it should take,
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but then she came
running out the door
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screaming that,
"Daniel's dead. Daniel's dead!"
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I went from just being a
regular welfare check -
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Okay, we got
something more serious here.
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♪
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We crossed the
fence at that time,
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myself, and
Deputy Mundy.
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And, we went in
through the side door,
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which she had left open.
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We drew our weapons,
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not knowing what we was
gonna come upon.
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It was daylight and they had
plenty of windows in the house,
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so you had a
lot of light coming in.
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There was an
odor in the house.
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And I looked over at
Deputy Mundy and said,
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"Something is dead in here.
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There was a set of stairs
going up to a bedroom so,
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we went up those
steps and sure enough,
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that's where the
juvenile child was at,
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lying in bed.
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I noticed the child was laying
on the bed, face down.
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Deputy Mundy said,
"Do we need to start CPR?"
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And I said, "No."
He'd passed away.
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We started clearing all the
different rooms and doors.
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We found another room and,
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that's where we found
Miss Benoit at.
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She was laying on the floor
and she was wrapped up
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in a blanket or, maybe a rug
or something like that.
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Went downstairs to
the basement area,
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which was couple of large,
open rooms.
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And, the last door we
opened was the gym door.
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And, that s where
Mr. Benoit was at.
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Because of the mirrors and at
the angle Deputy Mundy was at,
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to my right, she saw
the reflection at the
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far end of the room,
which might have been 5 to 7,
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10 feet away from
where he actually was.
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And she started to say,
"Show me your hands.
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Fayette County
Sheriff's Department."
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She could not see he had
cable from one of his weight
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machines around his neck
and had some weights on it.
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That's when I
told her, I said,
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"He's sitting right here.
He's passed away."
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Radio had called us,
asked if everything was okay.
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And I told them on the radio
that it looked like
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it might be a homicide
and suicide.
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It was within 2 or 3 minutes
of us walking back outside
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that somebody had already
strung crime scene tape
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across the front
of the property.
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I was at the gym
and I remember,
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I was driving home.
My son was with me.
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And, I got a call from one
of the writers from WWE,
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who called me and said,
"Are you sitting down?"
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I'm like, "What's
going on here, dude?"
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And that's when he
said, "Chris is dead."
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I said, "What? Chris who?"
And he says, "Chris Benoit."
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And I pulled over on the
side of the road and
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I just started bawling.
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And I remember
my son, he said,
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"Daddy, you cry funny."
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I was just crying,
just bawling.
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At this time, no one
knew what happened.
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So, WWE is just thinking that
Chris Benoit has passed away,
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along with
Nancy and Daniel.
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You're not trying
to put together that,
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okay, did someone break in?
Did carbon monoxide happen?
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What's going on?
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You just know that these two
of your friends are gone.
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And no one has answers.
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Vince McMahon,
the Chairman of the Board,
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couldn't go on the air
and not do anything so,
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we go on the air and did
what we thought was right.
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Tonight, this arena here
in Corpus Christi, Texas
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was to have been
filled to capacity...
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with enthusiastic WWE fans.
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We tried to honor the guy.
We tried to honor his family...
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Tried to honor his fans...
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But, we didn't have a full,
the full story.
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Shame on us for that,
I guess.
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So, tonight will be a
three-hour tribute...
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to one of the greatest...
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WWE superstars of all time.
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We just know that Chris Benoit
is no longer with us
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and neither is his family.
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Of course, I'm gonna
pay tribute to my friend.
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And I would trust you,
with, with me,
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with my life,
with my kids' lives...
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'cause I know,
I know you, Chris.
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I know your heart.
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Yeah, they called me and asked
me if I wanted to be on it,
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and I was like,
"Absolutely not."
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I remember just
sitting there, like,
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just watching, like, dead...
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with a bottle of vodka,
just drinking, like,
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you know, 'cause Eddie's
was bad, but this was worse.
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Chris Benoit was not only
one of the greatest wrestlers
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I ever saw, but he
was one of the best friends
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I ever had in this business.
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We did not know
all the information.
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That's our fault.
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We were trying to
serve the audience.
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It was a major story.
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It was hitting all
the news sources,
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and we had a TV show.
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We wanted to update people
on what the hell was going on,
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but we didn't have
all the information.
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But we didn't know we didn't
have all the information.
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We were told from
the authorities,
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"Here's what happened."
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"Oh, guess what,
we were wrong.
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This is not what happened."
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Chris was the type of guy
you'd want to go to war with.
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It was hard
because at that time,
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some guys were, you know,
in their speeches,
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you know, praising Chris.
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Because Chris Benoit
was my hero.
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I love you, Chris.
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[Chris] It's interesting to me
because when I watched the
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Raw Tribute, and everybody
was talking about Benoit and
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how great of a
performer he was and,
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and how amazing he was, but...
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I thought Regal's words on
that night were very revealing.
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Now, all I'm
willing to say...
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is that Chris Benoit was
undoubtedly the
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hardest working man in
professional wrestling.
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And, when you talked
to him afterwards,
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you find out he lived in
the same city as Chris,
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and knew a lot about whatever
fights Nancy and him had,
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or whatever Chris was
going through at the time.
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And, I'm not sure if a lot of
people would have noticed it,
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but knowing
what I knew about him,
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I started thinking,
"Wow, this is not good."
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♪
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My sister had told me to
spoil myself and go to the mall,
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and get some makeup,
and have some wine with lunch,
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and go watch a movie.
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And I came out of the theater
and I turned my phone on,
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and I had like 22 missed
calls from my parents.
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And, my parents made sure,
they wouldn't tell me anything.
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They wanted me to be parked
in my driveway and
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inside my house
before they told me,
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that's how I found out.
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And then, when it
finally sunk in,
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I just absolutely
lost control of myself.
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It was very difficult.
Very difficult.
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I had to go to the
hospital and be sedated.
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♪
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I was in Edmonton, and then
this number kept calling...
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my mum's cellphone -
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unknown number,
unknown number.
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And then, she finally
answered it and
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it was the police, RCMP.
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[sighs]
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So, we left, rolled
down to the station...
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[sighs]
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She found out first.
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I see her crying there.
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She couldn't
spit it out, so...
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[sighs]
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♪
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The cop... told me...
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that they all passed away
over the weekend.
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I punched him in the chest.
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And then, me and the
cop went for a walk.
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We talked.
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And that, you know...
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"Your dad loved you.
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They all loved you," and...
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I thought it was a joke.
I really did.
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♪
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[Dean] It wasn't until
after the show,
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and after the fact, that all
the details started coming in.
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We have more for you now
on a developing story
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in Fayette County: the deaths of
a pro wrestler and his family.
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Fayetteville authorities say
the bodies of Chris Benoit
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and his family were found
this afternoon in their home.
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Right now, it's being
investigated as a
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murder-suicide,
however, it...
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until we get the
crime lab reports,
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it's undetermined
exactly what happened.
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That's when all of this,
you know,
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all of these details
started coming out about,
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it's not just
him that's dead.
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It's Nancy and then
Daniel's dead as well.
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And then, that's when it just
started getting out of control.
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The father killed
his wife and son,
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and then committed suicide.
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That's what's happened here.
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You didn't want
to believe it.
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Can't believe it.
Can't be true.
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But it was.
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♪
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The evidence indicates
that it was a particularly
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brutal and vicious murder.
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It was something that showed
some sign of real rage.
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I'm Matthew Randazzo V,
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and I'm the author
of Ring of Hell,
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the story of Chris Benoit
and the fall of the
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pro wrestling industry.
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The weekend of the murders,
on Friday,
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Chris Benoit had a barbecue
out by the pool with Daniel.
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And then,
that Friday evening,
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it appears that there was
some sort of altercation
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between Chris and Nancy...
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That Chris restrained
Nancy with duct tape,
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and then utilized a telephone
cord to strangle her...
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And then placed a
bible next to her body.
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♪
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There were a number of beer
cans and wine bottles around
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that indicate Chris
may have been drinking.
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Next morning, on Saturday,
Chris - we assume -
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gave his son,
Daniel, Xanax,
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and then murdered him
in his room,
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being suffocated
by his father.
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A bible was then placed
next to Daniel as well.
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After that, Chris made
a phone call and
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let friends know
that Daniel and Nancy
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were both suffering
from a bad stomach virus,
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and that he had to
take them to the hospital.
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That night, Chris went to
bed with the bodies
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of his wife and
child in the house.
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On Sunday, Benoit makes
a couple searches
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on the internet that are
chilling in retrospect.
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One, for a story in the bible
about the prophet Elijah and
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the resurrection of a dead
boy in the old testament.
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And then, a search about
the quickest and
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most painless way of
breaking one's own neck.
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Chris then went down
to his home gym with
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a half-drunken bottle of wine.
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He went to his lat
pull down machine.
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He took the bar off.
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He wrapped a towel
around his neck,
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and he took the metal cord from
the lat pull down machine
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and put it
around his neck.
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He adjusted the
weights to 240 pounds.
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And then he released it.
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So, it's a very
bizarre scenario.
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It's a very bizarre weekend.
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And it doesn't
leave a lot of answers.
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He was just a guy,
you know, like, my friend.
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Nobody expects their
friend to kill their family.
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Like, what?
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When I found what
had really happened,
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the shock is just--
you can't even believe it.
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He had put his
knee in her back and,
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essentially, broke her back.
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00:14:45,623 --> 00:14:48,803
I... couldn't fathom
how cruel and
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how much pain she must
have gone through,
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and how horrific that
must have been for her.
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It was just unfathomable.
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If Chris did give Daniel that,
you know,
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medication or prescription
pills and suffocate him,
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you know, like...
shame on him.
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Daniel was
innocent in all this.
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[Julie] We were hearing other
things come out about the
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circumstances of him putting
the bibles by their sides and,
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having a knife that
he had planted
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underneath Daniel's bed or
something like that.
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[Dean] Still couldn't wrap
my head around it.
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It just sounded so...
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like some bad horror movie.
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And now, I'm a part of
humanizing a murderer?
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Strange.
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[Vickie] I mean, to think
that Nancy was
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dead for 2 days before
Chris took his life...
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How is that even logical for
this man who loved her so much?
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[laughs]
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Later, it turned out that
there was a bible in the house,
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similar to the ones left
by Nancy and Daniel's body,
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that Chris had left something
akin to a suicide note.
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Something along
the lines of,
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"I'm preparing to
leave this earth."
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So, Chris did
leave a suicide note.
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He did know
what he was doing.
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He was at least enough in
his right mind to understand
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exactly what was happening,
and was still considering
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whether he would go make a
flight to go wrestle
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that night on
international television.
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00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,540
Good evening,
ladies and gentlemen...
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We came up on air
with Vince talking,
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and kind of letting everybody
know what happened.
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Last night on
Monday Night Raw,
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the WWE presented a
special tribute show,
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recognizing the
career of Chris Benoit.
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However, now some
26 hours later,
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the facts of this horrific
tragedy are now apparent.
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Therefore, other than my
comments there will be
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no mention of Mr. Benoit's
name tonight.
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It was understood that we
were not to speak of Chris,
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speak of Benoit, speak of
anyone of that incident.
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And, by that next week,
Chris' name was erased
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from everything that was
involved with WWE.
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I mean, when we
did interviews,
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we were not to
mention Chris Benoit.
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So, that s something that
was really hard for us to do,
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but because we
all wanted our jobs,
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it was understood.
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[Dean] I know WWE has
kind of, like,
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erased his history of being
in the business and I can
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understand and totally
agree with what they did.
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00:17:14,990 --> 00:17:18,210
We're not gonna praise a guy who
murdered his wife or son.
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Don't give him any
accolades for that.
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00:17:20,996 --> 00:17:24,776
I went to the funeral
of Nancy and Daniel.
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You can't even
believe how sad it was.
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I was the WWE representative
there, just me.
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It was the shits.
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You go to a funeral,
and people crying,
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and a kid being buried and
a woman being buried
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00:17:34,836 --> 00:17:38,666
for no reason.
No reason to die.
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[Sandra] The WWE sent JR,
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and I lost my cool with him and
told him to his face that
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he wasn't welcome at
the wake afterward.
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00:17:47,675 --> 00:17:52,895
It was all a work,
just fake garbage, nonsense.
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00:17:52,941 --> 00:17:55,071
I can see a work
coming a mile away,
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00:17:55,117 --> 00:17:59,167
and that's what I saw, and I
knew that that was the truth.
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00:17:59,208 --> 00:18:01,518
I felt like I was the most
unwanted person in
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the building because
I was a WWE guy,
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00:18:04,431 --> 00:18:07,131
and I probably loved him
as much as anybody there.
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00:18:07,173 --> 00:18:09,873
[Vickie]
Everybody was just a mess.
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00:18:09,914 --> 00:18:14,144
It's shitty, and it's sad,
and it's unfair because
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00:18:14,180 --> 00:18:16,660
there's two people that
could still be with us today.
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00:18:16,704 --> 00:18:18,884
And, if Chris wanted
to take his life then,
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00:18:18,923 --> 00:18:23,413
then so be it.
But, to take all of them...
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I didn't go to
Chris' funeral.
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I was angry at that point.
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00:18:27,236 --> 00:18:30,406
I was pretty angry at Chris,
you know, for what he did.
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00:18:30,457 --> 00:18:32,237
His funeral was
very private.
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00:18:32,285 --> 00:18:34,105
We didn't tell
anyone about it.
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00:18:34,156 --> 00:18:36,376
That's when it all hit me,
right there, all at once.
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00:18:36,419 --> 00:18:38,899
I was crying my eyes out.
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00:18:38,943 --> 00:18:41,083
[off-screen] Who in the
wrestling business provided care
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for you and your family in
the aftermath of this?
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00:18:44,601 --> 00:18:46,601
Is that a serious question?
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00:18:46,647 --> 00:18:49,077
Not a single person...
No one.
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[off-screen] Did anyone
from the WWE ever
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reach out to you
and your family?
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00:18:52,348 --> 00:18:54,788
Chris Jericho and
Chavo Guerrero.
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00:18:54,829 --> 00:18:58,349
That's it.
Nobody else, you know.
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00:18:58,398 --> 00:18:59,918
Screw them.
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00:18:59,964 --> 00:19:04,144
They weren't there
for me, you know...
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00:19:04,186 --> 00:19:07,056
they backed off like
I didn't even exist.
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00:19:07,102 --> 00:19:15,762
♪
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00:19:15,806 --> 00:19:18,896
It was so hard after the
funeral 'cause the media
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00:19:18,940 --> 00:19:23,210
was just nonstop, 24/7.
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00:19:23,249 --> 00:19:25,209
Tonight, we are talking
about the strange and
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00:19:25,251 --> 00:19:27,601
very sad case of Chris Benoit.
436
00:19:27,644 --> 00:19:29,044
I didn't even watch
the news anymore.
437
00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,040
I didn't even watch
TV for months.
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00:19:31,082 --> 00:19:33,222
I couldn't even
watch wrestling anymore.
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00:19:33,259 --> 00:19:35,959
We're also told by the
police here that there were
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instruments of death found,
not instruments of murder.
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00:19:39,874 --> 00:19:41,624
There's gonna be
an autopsy report,
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00:19:41,658 --> 00:19:43,528
but there's an awful lot
of confusion about
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00:19:43,573 --> 00:19:44,973
how this happened.
444
00:19:45,009 --> 00:19:49,229
It really, really was the
darkest time in my life.
445
00:19:49,275 --> 00:19:51,835
Benoit had an intense
onstage persona.
446
00:19:51,886 --> 00:19:53,756
He was nicknamed
the Rabid Wolverine,
447
00:19:53,801 --> 00:19:55,281
the Canadian Crippler.
448
00:19:55,324 --> 00:19:58,074
The couple actually met when
her former husband drew up
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00:19:58,109 --> 00:20:00,419
a script that had put the two
of them in a relationship.
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00:20:00,460 --> 00:20:02,640
It made everything
extremely difficult.
451
00:20:02,679 --> 00:20:06,989
It made everything under a
magnifying glass 'cause CNN,
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00:20:07,031 --> 00:20:11,081
and Fox, and all the news
channels were at the gates,
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00:20:11,122 --> 00:20:13,042
you know, a double
murder-suicide with a
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7-year-old kid is news.
455
00:20:14,735 --> 00:20:16,995
But, I think that there's a
point where you really just
456
00:20:17,041 --> 00:20:19,001
need to let the
family grieve.
457
00:20:19,043 --> 00:20:23,133
All I really wanted to do was
to be with my niece and nephew.
458
00:20:23,178 --> 00:20:26,398
The mainstream media's
reaction was typical because,
459
00:20:26,442 --> 00:20:28,102
A, they love a tragedy.
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00:20:28,139 --> 00:20:29,839
And, it gives them
another reason to
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00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,270
take a shot at wrestling.
It was a field day for them.
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00:20:32,318 --> 00:20:36,098
Professional wrestlers are
20 times more likely to die
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00:20:36,147 --> 00:20:40,237
before age 45 than
professional football players.
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00:20:40,282 --> 00:20:42,282
I think a lot of the mainstream
media looks down at wrestling
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00:20:42,328 --> 00:20:43,678
as it is, and then,
suddenly, it was
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00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,330
public enemy
number one.
467
00:20:45,374 --> 00:20:48,164
Chris Benoit's diary is
revealing new information
468
00:20:48,203 --> 00:20:49,773
about his state of mind.
469
00:20:49,813 --> 00:20:52,473
The wrestler wrote a series
of letters to his best friend.
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00:20:52,512 --> 00:20:55,732
At one point, Benoit wrote,
"I'll be with you soon."
471
00:20:55,776 --> 00:21:00,606
Mike Benoit believes it's
the diary of his son going mad.
472
00:21:00,650 --> 00:21:02,440
We just didn't understand
this was going on
473
00:21:02,478 --> 00:21:04,918
at that time in Chris' life.
474
00:21:06,743 --> 00:21:09,363
I got a call from Chris' dad,
Mike Benoit,
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00:21:09,398 --> 00:21:11,568
'cause he knew
my relationship with Chris.
476
00:21:11,618 --> 00:21:13,708
And the first thing he asked
me was, "Why?"
477
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:15,540
Which, from a
father's standpoint,
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00:21:15,578 --> 00:21:17,928
I can understand
how upset he was.
479
00:21:17,972 --> 00:21:19,372
Unfortunately,
and I felt bad,
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00:21:19,408 --> 00:21:21,188
I didn't have any
answers for him.
481
00:21:21,236 --> 00:21:22,756
People need to
understand that,
482
00:21:22,803 --> 00:21:24,633
that was not him.
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00:21:24,674 --> 00:21:27,244
Not the person we knew,
the person I loved
484
00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:29,156
with all my heart, my hero.
485
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,680
The term that's being thrown
around everywhere is roid rage.
486
00:21:31,725 --> 00:21:34,505
Some say steroid abuse is
rampant at the organization
487
00:21:34,554 --> 00:21:37,174
and everyone just
turns a blind eye to this.
488
00:21:37,208 --> 00:21:39,338
The media's initial response
to the Benoit tragedy was
489
00:21:39,385 --> 00:21:41,205
that this was a
roid rage incident.
490
00:21:41,256 --> 00:21:44,996
Where do steroids stand in
the bizarre Benoit deaths?
491
00:21:45,042 --> 00:21:47,312
Pro wrestling, when Chris Benoit
entered it in the 1980s,
492
00:21:47,349 --> 00:21:49,479
was extremely discriminatory
against people
493
00:21:49,525 --> 00:21:51,825
who were not
6-foot-plus tall,
494
00:21:51,875 --> 00:21:55,005
who were not 250 pounds or more,
and very, very muscular.
495
00:21:55,052 --> 00:21:56,922
My understanding is that
Chris Benoit was using steroids
496
00:21:56,967 --> 00:21:59,577
from when he
was in high school.
497
00:21:59,622 --> 00:22:01,102
In the months
before the murders,
498
00:22:01,145 --> 00:22:04,105
Chris received a number of
text messages from Nancy
499
00:22:04,148 --> 00:22:06,588
in which she made it very clear
she was sick and tired
500
00:22:06,629 --> 00:22:08,369
of his steroid abuse.
501
00:22:08,414 --> 00:22:10,984
Nancy definitely directly
accused him of abusing steroids
502
00:22:11,025 --> 00:22:13,375
to the point that it led him
to be an angry,
503
00:22:13,419 --> 00:22:15,679
and violent,
and unhappy husband.
504
00:22:15,725 --> 00:22:19,685
And, she said that the WWE's
drug enforcement policy and
505
00:22:19,729 --> 00:22:21,599
testing regime was
obviously nonsense.
506
00:22:21,644 --> 00:22:23,124
Something called the
Wellness Program that
507
00:22:23,167 --> 00:22:26,557
alleged that it was testing
every WWE wrestler to
508
00:22:26,606 --> 00:22:29,126
make sure they weren't
using recreational drugs,
509
00:22:29,173 --> 00:22:31,223
performance enhancing drugs -
or steroids.
510
00:22:31,262 --> 00:22:32,922
I think at that time,
you know,
511
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,350
instituting a wellness
program like that,
512
00:22:35,397 --> 00:22:38,357
I think everybody was happy
that finally some of these guys
513
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,790
that needed the
help were gonna get help.
514
00:22:39,836 --> 00:22:41,876
I thought it was a great idea.
Anything to...
515
00:22:41,925 --> 00:22:47,095
help talent, save guys from,
from themselves.
516
00:22:47,148 --> 00:22:48,628
[Chris] After Eddie died,
517
00:22:48,671 --> 00:22:51,761
the WWE's drug testing
was super strict.
518
00:22:51,805 --> 00:22:53,935
It went through the roof.
Like, you couldn't even take
519
00:22:53,981 --> 00:22:57,771
a fricking Aspirin...
like, a high powered Aspirin,
520
00:22:57,811 --> 00:22:59,511
unless you had,
like, a prescription.
521
00:22:59,552 --> 00:23:00,812
And, I'm not kidding.
522
00:23:00,857 --> 00:23:03,077
The drug testing is
so strict that this,
523
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:05,560
"rampant steroid use,"
dude, you can't.
524
00:23:05,601 --> 00:23:11,001
You can't go snort cocaine,
or smoke weed, or... anything.
525
00:23:11,041 --> 00:23:14,221
In practice, it was seen
that this initial version of
526
00:23:14,262 --> 00:23:17,132
the Wellness Program had
large loop holes in it,
527
00:23:17,178 --> 00:23:19,438
and large blind spots
that allowed wrestlers to
528
00:23:19,485 --> 00:23:23,225
continue to use drugs at
a really large scale
529
00:23:23,271 --> 00:23:25,531
without tripping the tests.
530
00:23:25,578 --> 00:23:29,018
Speculation is running wild:
Did steroids play a role or
531
00:23:29,059 --> 00:23:30,929
is there
another explanation?
532
00:23:30,974 --> 00:23:32,244
We have an exclusive
interview with
533
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,410
WWE Chairman Vince McMahon.
534
00:23:34,456 --> 00:23:36,546
WWE did everything they
could to combat any coverage
535
00:23:36,589 --> 00:23:39,199
in the news media that
indicated that drug abuse or
536
00:23:39,243 --> 00:23:41,423
steroid abuse was the
cause of the homicides.
537
00:23:41,463 --> 00:23:43,473
And, obviously,
this is not an act of rage.
538
00:23:43,509 --> 00:23:45,209
It's an act of deliberation
when you do something
539
00:23:45,249 --> 00:23:46,509
like this over 3 days.
540
00:23:46,555 --> 00:23:48,775
It's not an act of rage,
be it steroid rage,
541
00:23:48,818 --> 00:23:50,038
or roid rage,
whatever it's called,
542
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,430
or any other rage.
543
00:23:51,473 --> 00:23:55,173
WWE strongly suggests
that it is entirely wrong,
544
00:23:55,216 --> 00:23:58,306
for speculators to suggest
that steroids had anything
545
00:23:58,349 --> 00:23:59,999
to do with these
senseless acts.
546
00:24:00,047 --> 00:24:03,527
It's all speculation until the
toxicology reports come back.
547
00:24:03,572 --> 00:24:06,232
In his autopsy, Chris Benoit
was shown to have
548
00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:08,530
enormous amounts of
testosterone in his body,
549
00:24:08,577 --> 00:24:10,967
and testosterone is still a
steroid that's banned
550
00:24:11,014 --> 00:24:12,494
in all major sports.
551
00:24:12,538 --> 00:24:13,968
So, some people might
say he had 10 times
552
00:24:14,017 --> 00:24:15,407
the normal amount
of testosterone.
553
00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,154
Some folks have said he
had 57 times the amount of
554
00:24:17,194 --> 00:24:19,154
testosterone in his
body as a normal human.
555
00:24:19,196 --> 00:24:21,366
[off-screen] And, did Benoit
pass the Wellness Program
556
00:24:21,416 --> 00:24:23,156
check leading up to the murders?
557
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,940
Yes, preposterously,
Chris Benoit passed
558
00:24:24,985 --> 00:24:27,245
the wellness checks leading
up to the murder,
559
00:24:27,291 --> 00:24:28,951
despite the irrefutable fact
that he was taking
560
00:24:28,989 --> 00:24:30,899
enormous amounts of steroids.
561
00:24:30,947 --> 00:24:39,217
♪
562
00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:41,180
Well, after it
initially happened,
563
00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:43,128
I actually had nightmares.
564
00:24:43,177 --> 00:24:44,527
It was very
traumatic because,
565
00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:48,920
as a female, I tend to
really get angry with him,
566
00:24:48,965 --> 00:24:51,005
the one person she thought
was there to protect her
567
00:24:51,054 --> 00:24:53,884
is the one that
really took her life.
568
00:24:53,927 --> 00:24:56,187
[Chris] There was a lot of stuff
going on behind closed doors
569
00:24:56,233 --> 00:24:57,633
that no one knew about.
570
00:24:57,670 --> 00:24:59,670
I think there was a
lot of volatile fights.
571
00:24:59,715 --> 00:25:01,275
One thing I'd always heard
about Nancy and
572
00:25:01,325 --> 00:25:03,495
the fact that she
didn't take shit.
573
00:25:03,545 --> 00:25:08,285
So, I just know there was
a lot of volatility there.
574
00:25:08,332 --> 00:25:10,942
That s the word I
think was used, volatile.
575
00:25:10,987 --> 00:25:13,207
There was a few times that
Nancy would call me and
576
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:15,250
she would say that her and
Chris were fighting.
577
00:25:15,296 --> 00:25:17,386
There was an incident
when they were in Tampa,
578
00:25:17,428 --> 00:25:19,908
and Chris was upset when
they were driving
579
00:25:19,953 --> 00:25:21,963
on the way to our house,
and Chris went and
580
00:25:21,998 --> 00:25:24,518
busted the windshield
of their car.
581
00:25:24,566 --> 00:25:26,566
[off-screen] Did you ever
witness any abuse
582
00:25:26,612 --> 00:25:29,572
that was going on in
that relationship?
583
00:25:29,615 --> 00:25:31,135
My sister called me
to the house,
584
00:25:31,181 --> 00:25:34,621
and she called Mike Durham,
known as Johnny Grunge,
585
00:25:34,663 --> 00:25:37,973
who was also a professional
wrestler that lived in the area.
586
00:25:38,014 --> 00:25:39,494
[Mike] Hey, cool.
587
00:25:39,538 --> 00:25:41,368
[Sandra] And, Mike said,
"I'll go. I'll go wrangle Chris.
588
00:25:41,409 --> 00:25:43,629
I'll go wrangle Chris.
Don't do anything rash."
589
00:25:43,672 --> 00:25:50,202
But, it was already
kind of done: he hurt her.
590
00:25:50,244 --> 00:25:52,254
I don't know whether it was
intentional or accidental,
591
00:25:52,289 --> 00:25:54,249
but he hurt her.
592
00:25:54,291 --> 00:25:56,901
Out of respect for the
kids that he still has here,
593
00:25:56,946 --> 00:25:59,376
I won't go
further into that.
594
00:25:59,427 --> 00:26:00,727
♪
595
00:26:00,776 --> 00:26:03,036
She got a restraining order
against him and
596
00:26:03,083 --> 00:26:05,433
I went down there and
stayed at the house.
597
00:26:05,476 --> 00:26:08,386
Mike had him at a hotel
there in, in the area.
598
00:26:08,436 --> 00:26:11,566
Chris contacted me directly
because Nancy wasn't
599
00:26:11,613 --> 00:26:13,833
answering any of
his calls and,
600
00:26:13,876 --> 00:26:18,706
asked me to talk to my
sister on his behalf.
601
00:26:18,751 --> 00:26:21,361
And please, please, please
let him come to the house
602
00:26:21,405 --> 00:26:23,055
and talk to her personally.
603
00:26:23,103 --> 00:26:25,413
She called him and he came
over the next day,
604
00:26:25,453 --> 00:26:27,763
and they were back together
a couple of days later.
605
00:26:27,803 --> 00:26:29,593
[sighs]
606
00:26:29,631 --> 00:26:31,721
Do I look back on that
moment and say,
607
00:26:31,764 --> 00:26:34,334
you probably shouldn't
have gotten involved and,
608
00:26:34,375 --> 00:26:36,635
why did I take his call
'cause maybe that
609
00:26:36,682 --> 00:26:38,952
would have been the end of it?
610
00:26:38,988 --> 00:26:41,208
Almost every day I
think about that.
611
00:26:41,251 --> 00:26:43,171
♪
612
00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:45,430
When police found
steroids on the scene,
613
00:26:45,473 --> 00:26:47,563
many assumed that explained it:
614
00:26:47,606 --> 00:26:50,126
the killer had flipped out
because of drug use.
615
00:26:50,173 --> 00:26:52,963
Or, might there be
another explanation?
616
00:26:53,002 --> 00:26:57,352
The initial media coverage
all focused on steroid use
617
00:26:57,398 --> 00:26:59,008
and I said, there s no way.
618
00:26:59,052 --> 00:27:00,582
I'm Chris Nowinski.
619
00:27:00,619 --> 00:27:04,579
I'm a former WWE superstar,
and now, I am a neuroscientist
620
00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:07,843
and run the Concussion
Legacy Foundation.
621
00:27:07,887 --> 00:27:10,317
My wrestling career came
to an end because
622
00:27:10,367 --> 00:27:12,537
I had a series of
concussions that
623
00:27:12,587 --> 00:27:15,237
I didn't quite appreciate
were concussions.
624
00:27:15,285 --> 00:27:16,495
[Announcer]
Oh!
625
00:27:16,547 --> 00:27:19,287
[indistinct shouting]
626
00:27:19,333 --> 00:27:21,163
[Nowinski] I never stopped
performing until
627
00:27:21,204 --> 00:27:23,344
the damage was sort of too much.
628
00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:26,170
So, I decided I would
start digging into
629
00:27:26,209 --> 00:27:29,339
what else was known,
and it became a book.
630
00:27:29,386 --> 00:27:32,296
Chronic Traumatic
Encephalopathy, or CTE,
631
00:27:32,346 --> 00:27:35,216
is a progressive,
degenerative brain disease
632
00:27:35,262 --> 00:27:38,092
that appears to be
started by hits to the head.
633
00:27:38,134 --> 00:27:39,054
[Announcer] Oh!
634
00:27:39,092 --> 00:27:42,922
Oh, my god!
Oh, man!
635
00:27:42,965 --> 00:27:45,835
Anything goes.
My god.
636
00:27:45,881 --> 00:27:47,931
What I knew about
CTE at that time,
637
00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:50,580
was that there were 4
cases of NFL players.
638
00:27:50,625 --> 00:27:54,275
Two had died by suicide,
and one had started
639
00:27:54,324 --> 00:27:58,024
hearing voices and led
the police on a chase through
640
00:27:58,067 --> 00:28:00,367
upstate New York and
died in fiery crash
641
00:28:00,417 --> 00:28:02,587
going on the wrong side
of the highway.
642
00:28:02,637 --> 00:28:04,807
When I heard about what
happened with Chris Benoit,
643
00:28:04,857 --> 00:28:08,817
I immediately remembered a
conversation I'd had with him,
644
00:28:08,861 --> 00:28:11,301
maybe 6 months prior.
645
00:28:11,341 --> 00:28:14,081
I remember that he had sat
next to me in the locker room
646
00:28:14,127 --> 00:28:15,517
and, he said,
647
00:28:15,563 --> 00:28:17,133
"I heard you're writing a
book about concussions."
648
00:28:17,173 --> 00:28:18,613
I was like, "Yeah."
And he goes,
649
00:28:18,653 --> 00:28:20,183
"I'm interested
in what you re learning."
650
00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:22,440
He's like, "How many
concussions have you had,
651
00:28:22,483 --> 00:28:24,313
you know,
before you had to retire?"
652
00:28:24,354 --> 00:28:25,924
And I said, "Well, I can
remember at least 6,
653
00:28:25,965 --> 00:28:27,875
but I probably had more."
654
00:28:27,923 --> 00:28:29,663
And I said, "How many
have you had?"
655
00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:33,148
And he said, "I've had
more than I can count."
656
00:28:33,189 --> 00:28:35,409
And then he said, "I'm gonna
give you my phone number and
657
00:28:35,452 --> 00:28:37,152
I want you to
call me next week."
658
00:28:37,193 --> 00:28:39,283
The next week, I called him.
659
00:28:39,326 --> 00:28:41,146
It sounded like he was in
the middle of an argument.
660
00:28:41,197 --> 00:28:42,757
He was clearly agitated.
661
00:28:42,808 --> 00:28:44,108
It sounded like
someone else was there.
662
00:28:44,157 --> 00:28:45,847
And he just said, "Hey,
I can't talk right now.
663
00:28:45,898 --> 00:28:48,728
Can I call you back?"
And I said, "Sure."
664
00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:51,770
I wonder if the reason he
was asking me to call him
665
00:28:51,817 --> 00:28:54,727
was that he knew that
something was going on,
666
00:28:54,776 --> 00:28:57,556
but he didn't quite
appreciate what that was.
667
00:28:57,605 --> 00:29:00,425
And so, I decided that I
really needed to know
668
00:29:00,477 --> 00:29:02,257
if Chris had CTE.
669
00:29:02,305 --> 00:29:03,915
There was so much
media attention,
670
00:29:03,959 --> 00:29:07,309
I really couldn't imagine
his family answering the phone,
671
00:29:07,354 --> 00:29:09,184
but I said,
I'll, I'll give it a try.
672
00:29:09,225 --> 00:29:12,485
And, Chris' father
answered on the second ring.
673
00:29:12,533 --> 00:29:15,543
He was in a state of mind,
you can imagine,
674
00:29:15,579 --> 00:29:19,149
when you've just lost your son
and learned what happened.
675
00:29:19,192 --> 00:29:22,062
I told him my theory. And,
he, he immediately said,
676
00:29:22,108 --> 00:29:25,148
"Yeah, I want to
see this done."
677
00:29:25,198 --> 00:29:27,898
We have the brain
in early July and,
678
00:29:27,940 --> 00:29:30,460
I think within about a month
we knew that it was positive
679
00:29:30,507 --> 00:29:34,637
for CTE, and it was a
pretty severe case of CTE.
680
00:29:34,685 --> 00:29:36,775
So, we held a press
conference in New York.
681
00:29:36,818 --> 00:29:38,778
When you look at
Christopher Benoit's brain,
682
00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:40,780
it is in fact, shocking.
683
00:29:40,822 --> 00:29:44,172
Our findings showed
extensive areas of
684
00:29:44,217 --> 00:29:47,257
Tau protein deposition
throughout his brain.
685
00:29:47,307 --> 00:29:51,437
Tau protein is a
marker for brain damage.
686
00:29:51,485 --> 00:29:53,875
With Chris,
he actually had a,
687
00:29:53,922 --> 00:29:55,922
what would be defined as a
severe case of CTE at
688
00:29:55,968 --> 00:29:58,008
40 years old, which is
early to have it.
689
00:29:58,057 --> 00:30:01,097
So, it wouldn't just be
areas of his cortex or areas
690
00:30:01,147 --> 00:30:04,277
of his brain stem, but there
was damage in areas that
691
00:30:04,324 --> 00:30:08,894
you would think could influence
emotional behaviors.
692
00:30:08,937 --> 00:30:11,067
And I believe the
degeneration of his brain
693
00:30:11,113 --> 00:30:13,863
changed who he was and
what he was capable of.
694
00:30:13,899 --> 00:30:15,989
If you get hit in the
head thousands of times,
695
00:30:16,031 --> 00:30:18,861
your brain, essentially,
can start to rot.
696
00:30:18,904 --> 00:30:20,784
You get this damage
in your brain that,
697
00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:22,389
even after you stop
getting hit in the head,
698
00:30:22,429 --> 00:30:25,779
will continue to spread and
changes who you are and
699
00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:28,134
how you behave, and...
700
00:30:28,174 --> 00:30:29,654
what you become.
701
00:30:29,697 --> 00:30:39,877
♪
702
00:30:39,925 --> 00:30:42,275
I think about, you know,
when me and Chris would be
703
00:30:42,318 --> 00:30:45,498
talking and he would just
be crying so much that,
704
00:30:45,539 --> 00:30:48,109
you know, I wonder why he
couldn't control his crying.
705
00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:50,280
Does that, does that go
with the concussions?
706
00:30:50,326 --> 00:30:51,756
Does that go with his brain?
707
00:30:51,806 --> 00:30:54,846
You know, Eddie and Chris
took a lot of chair shots.
708
00:30:56,028 --> 00:30:57,938
[Announcer]
Oh!
709
00:30:57,986 --> 00:31:00,246
And these chair shots from,
like, years ago,
710
00:31:00,293 --> 00:31:03,823
were hard and
they were mean.
711
00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,302
[Audience]
Oh!
712
00:31:05,341 --> 00:31:08,951
In the 90s, we used to take
chair shots to the head.
713
00:31:08,997 --> 00:31:10,427
That was a badge of honor.
714
00:31:10,477 --> 00:31:12,437
And what I mean by that is,
someone would swing
715
00:31:12,479 --> 00:31:13,919
a steel chair at your head...
716
00:31:13,959 --> 00:31:18,009
[Announcer]
Oh! Chris' Jericho's helpless!
717
00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:19,660
[Chris] And I literally
remember, you would
718
00:31:19,703 --> 00:31:22,323
grit your teeth
and you, you'd...
719
00:31:22,358 --> 00:31:24,798
you know, tense yourself
and tense your neck...
720
00:31:27,494 --> 00:31:28,934
And just take it.
721
00:31:28,974 --> 00:31:30,064
They hit you on
the head with it,
722
00:31:30,105 --> 00:31:31,845
and you just take it, "Ah!"
723
00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:33,460
[Audience]
Oh!
724
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:36,630
That was what you did.
That was expected.
725
00:31:36,677 --> 00:31:39,507
If you had a
concussion in wrestling...
726
00:31:39,549 --> 00:31:41,029
you just shake it off.
727
00:31:41,073 --> 00:31:42,683
Shake it off,
go in there and do it.
728
00:31:42,726 --> 00:31:45,596
And, all of us did it.
729
00:31:45,642 --> 00:31:49,212
[Chavo] I wrestled for
20 plus years...
730
00:31:49,255 --> 00:31:54,385
It makes me wonder...
how much CTE do I have?
731
00:31:54,434 --> 00:31:56,044
How much CTE do these other
wrestlers have 'cause
732
00:31:56,088 --> 00:31:59,268
we all got it, to some extent,
you know.
733
00:31:59,308 --> 00:32:02,828
Is this gonna be my end?
734
00:32:02,877 --> 00:32:04,707
It's one of the most incredible
things to me is you have
735
00:32:04,748 --> 00:32:06,928
Harley Race invents the
Flying Headbutt and
736
00:32:06,968 --> 00:32:09,228
tells everyone after,
"Don't do this move.
737
00:32:09,275 --> 00:32:10,965
It fucks your
spine up horribly.
738
00:32:11,016 --> 00:32:13,366
It ruins your ability
to have an old age."
739
00:32:13,409 --> 00:32:15,239
Dynamite Kid hears
that from Harley Race,
740
00:32:15,281 --> 00:32:16,851
does it his whole career,
ends up in a wheelchair.
741
00:32:16,891 --> 00:32:18,591
Dynamite Kid
tells Chris Benoit.
742
00:32:18,632 --> 00:32:21,032
Chris Benoit does it his whole
career and then loses his mind.
743
00:32:21,069 --> 00:32:23,719
[Audience]
Oh!
744
00:32:23,767 --> 00:32:27,287
I mean, there is a clear
history of people repeating
745
00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:29,816
the most self-destructive
story imaginable,
746
00:32:29,860 --> 00:32:32,990
over and over again.
747
00:32:33,038 --> 00:32:37,258
I think the Benoit tragedy led
to some institutional changes.
748
00:32:37,303 --> 00:32:39,703
The awareness
of what CTE is,
749
00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:42,310
was never before even
a conversation point.
750
00:32:42,351 --> 00:32:43,961
Now it is.
751
00:32:44,005 --> 00:32:47,175
And finally, unprotected
chair shots and subsequent
752
00:32:47,226 --> 00:32:50,226
concussions are now being
addressed because the
753
00:32:50,272 --> 00:32:53,882
one thing we've gotta do is
protect the athlete.
754
00:32:53,928 --> 00:32:56,628
I think when you look at
what Chris Benoit did as
755
00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:59,280
a symptom as some sort
of medical problem,
756
00:32:59,325 --> 00:33:01,885
whether it's drug use
or brain damage,
757
00:33:01,936 --> 00:33:03,416
I think that
misses the point.
758
00:33:03,459 --> 00:33:06,459
Ultimately, this thing
that is the core reason this
759
00:33:06,506 --> 00:33:08,766
happened was Chris Benoit
made a decision when he was
760
00:33:08,812 --> 00:33:12,122
a very young person to do
absolutely whatever it took
761
00:33:12,164 --> 00:33:14,084
to succeed at his
childhood dream of
762
00:33:14,122 --> 00:33:16,302
becoming a pro wrestling star.
763
00:33:16,342 --> 00:33:18,172
No matter what
happened that weekend,
764
00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:22,523
Chris Benoit's story was
going to have a tragic end.
765
00:33:22,565 --> 00:33:25,695
I think his fate was sealed
the day that Eddie died,
766
00:33:25,742 --> 00:33:27,142
whether he knew it or not.
767
00:33:27,179 --> 00:33:29,619
I don't think anybody could
save him after that:
768
00:33:29,659 --> 00:33:32,839
not his kids, not his family,
not his other friends.
769
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,140
I just think that was
the one guy that he said,
770
00:33:36,188 --> 00:33:38,058
"I can't do it if
Eddie's not with me."
771
00:33:38,103 --> 00:33:40,063
♪
772
00:33:40,105 --> 00:33:42,055
Whatever it was that
he was going through,
773
00:33:42,107 --> 00:33:45,017
you know, I think he just
continued to shrink his
774
00:33:45,066 --> 00:33:48,496
whole world until all that
was left was just whatever
775
00:33:48,548 --> 00:33:51,198
was in his head that
caused him to snap,
776
00:33:51,246 --> 00:33:54,026
and he fucking snapped.
777
00:33:54,075 --> 00:33:55,635
It's not one thing.
778
00:33:55,685 --> 00:33:58,645
I think that it's a
factor of alcohol,
779
00:33:58,688 --> 00:34:02,128
and drugs, and yes,
possibly CTE,
780
00:34:02,170 --> 00:34:04,870
and stress, and grief.
781
00:34:04,912 --> 00:34:06,872
And all of those things
rolled together put him on
782
00:34:06,914 --> 00:34:09,924
a path that weekend that
he couldn't get off.
783
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,530
Chris is always gonna be
my friend and my brother.
784
00:34:14,574 --> 00:34:16,274
I just know that there was
something going on
785
00:34:16,315 --> 00:34:17,875
with him that wasn't him.
786
00:34:17,925 --> 00:34:19,355
And, it's something that,
you know,
787
00:34:19,405 --> 00:34:22,835
I'm still very much torn with
because you love Chris...
788
00:34:22,886 --> 00:34:24,446
you just hate what he did.
789
00:34:24,497 --> 00:34:28,587
The act of what he
did is unthinkable.
790
00:34:28,631 --> 00:34:30,631
Unforgivable.
791
00:34:30,677 --> 00:34:33,457
But it's still hard for me
to separate a friendship
792
00:34:33,506 --> 00:34:35,726
that I had with him,
matches that I had with him -
793
00:34:35,769 --> 00:34:37,859
moments, times, car rides.
794
00:34:37,901 --> 00:34:39,601
I think I can always look
at Chris as one of the
795
00:34:39,642 --> 00:34:43,042
best performers our
business has ever seen,
796
00:34:43,081 --> 00:34:44,691
and just kind of
leave it at that.
797
00:34:44,734 --> 00:34:48,394
♪
798
00:34:48,434 --> 00:34:49,914
[Jim] I get questioned
all the time,
799
00:34:49,957 --> 00:34:51,087
"Does Chris Benoit deserve
to be in the Hall of Fame,"
800
00:34:51,132 --> 00:34:54,142
and I say, absolutely not. No.
801
00:34:54,179 --> 00:34:55,959
The issue is, is that if
Chris were here and we could
802
00:34:56,006 --> 00:34:58,786
talk to him, he would say,
"Putting me in the Hall of Fame
803
00:34:58,835 --> 00:35:00,355
is gonna be one of the
great distractions of the
804
00:35:00,402 --> 00:35:03,282
entire event 'cause all it's
gonna do is bring up Nancy,
805
00:35:03,318 --> 00:35:06,538
and Daniel, and Chris
and their last 24 hours."
806
00:35:06,582 --> 00:35:09,322
So, therefore, I say,
Chris Benoit does not belong
807
00:35:09,368 --> 00:35:13,018
in the WWE Hall of Fame,
now or ever.
808
00:35:13,067 --> 00:35:17,767
If two guys that were the
same basically their whole life,
809
00:35:17,811 --> 00:35:19,601
and had the same
reputation of just being
810
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,339
immaculate professionals,
immaculate human beings,
811
00:35:22,381 --> 00:35:26,601
the nicest guys, and they
both die very young,
812
00:35:26,646 --> 00:35:29,426
and one's
legacy is acclaimed,
813
00:35:29,475 --> 00:35:34,215
and one's is buried so that
you almost can't say his name.
814
00:35:34,262 --> 00:35:36,922
If you would have
told Chris, you know,
815
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,360
when you die, your name
and your body of work
816
00:35:40,399 --> 00:35:44,489
is gonna be erased
from existence forever,
817
00:35:44,533 --> 00:35:46,453
it would have broke his
heart because I think,
818
00:35:46,492 --> 00:35:47,972
if nothing else, I remember
he told me once,
819
00:35:48,015 --> 00:35:49,495
like, "Listen, the critics
are the critics,
820
00:35:49,538 --> 00:35:52,058
but if you have the
respect of your peers,
821
00:35:52,106 --> 00:35:55,146
then nothing else matters."
822
00:35:55,196 --> 00:35:57,366
So, to find out that he
would have lost the respect,
823
00:35:57,416 --> 00:35:59,236
not only of his peers,
but his friends,
824
00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:02,857
his family, I don't think
he ever wanted that.
825
00:36:02,899 --> 00:36:04,899
It almost took down
the whole business.
826
00:36:04,945 --> 00:36:07,025
What Chris did almost--
And that's another thing:
827
00:36:07,077 --> 00:36:10,777
What Chris did almost destroyed
the only thing that
828
00:36:10,820 --> 00:36:13,780
he ever loved, from a
professional standpoint.
829
00:36:13,823 --> 00:36:15,613
The only thing
he ever loved,
830
00:36:15,651 --> 00:36:19,221
pro wrestling, Chris Benoit
almost destroyed it.
831
00:36:19,264 --> 00:36:21,574
That would have torn
him apart as well.
832
00:36:21,614 --> 00:36:23,664
So, it leads us
around to, like,
833
00:36:23,703 --> 00:36:25,533
why did he do it?
834
00:36:25,574 --> 00:36:28,714
And I don't think anyone's
ever gonna be able to...
835
00:36:28,751 --> 00:36:38,021
answer that question.
836
00:36:38,065 --> 00:36:40,845
You know, people look
at me different now...
837
00:36:40,894 --> 00:36:42,944
because of what he did.
838
00:36:42,983 --> 00:36:45,513
People talking shit
behind my back.
839
00:36:45,551 --> 00:36:48,731
Looking at me different.
Getting bullied.
840
00:36:48,771 --> 00:36:52,991
Screw it.
I'm defending my family...
841
00:36:53,036 --> 00:36:54,686
And what I believe in,
you know.
842
00:36:54,734 --> 00:37:00,134
He loved them.
That definitely was not him.
843
00:37:00,174 --> 00:37:02,264
He's still my hero.
844
00:37:02,307 --> 00:37:05,787
I think about him
all the time.
845
00:37:05,832 --> 00:37:10,102
I want them to
recognize Nancy though.
846
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:11,660
She definitely deserves
847
00:37:11,707 --> 00:37:14,317
the recognition that
she doesn't get.
848
00:37:14,362 --> 00:37:16,712
That's the unfortunate and
the sad part about the story
849
00:37:16,756 --> 00:37:21,536
is that she needs to be
remembered for a strong woman,
850
00:37:21,587 --> 00:37:24,587
pioneering in this business,
and her talent.
851
00:37:24,633 --> 00:37:29,603
And, focus on that instead
of what happened to her.
852
00:37:29,638 --> 00:37:31,508
She's a Hall of Fame'r
all across the board,
853
00:37:31,553 --> 00:37:32,773
in my opinion.
854
00:37:32,815 --> 00:37:35,775
She was a pioneer and
one of the best at
855
00:37:35,818 --> 00:37:38,038
a role that doesn't
exist anymore.
856
00:37:38,081 --> 00:37:41,561
As a pro wrestling manager,
she created the role,
857
00:37:41,607 --> 00:37:43,167
she perfected the role,
and then,
858
00:37:43,217 --> 00:37:46,217
when stopped doing it,
the role basically disappeared.
859
00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:49,184
I would like nothing
better than to see Nancy...
860
00:37:49,223 --> 00:37:51,313
You know, Nancy Benoit.
861
00:37:51,356 --> 00:37:54,006
Once again, you can't
even say that name, right.
862
00:37:54,054 --> 00:37:55,934
Woman.
863
00:37:55,969 --> 00:37:57,319
I would like nothing better
than to see Woman
864
00:37:57,362 --> 00:37:59,362
be put into the
WWE Hall of Fame.
865
00:37:59,407 --> 00:38:01,537
♪
866
00:38:01,583 --> 00:38:04,933
She was a great mom.
She was a beautiful friend.
867
00:38:04,978 --> 00:38:08,418
And, Nancy will always be
the superstar that
868
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:11,900
she was meant to be,
in my, in my mind.
869
00:38:11,941 --> 00:38:13,641
Can I blow a kiss?
870
00:38:13,682 --> 00:38:17,952
[indistinct chatter]
871
00:38:17,991 --> 00:38:22,001
[off-screen] What do you
remember the most about Nancy?
872
00:38:22,038 --> 00:38:25,348
I remember
everything about her.
873
00:38:25,390 --> 00:38:29,830
I remember how
her hair smells.
874
00:38:29,872 --> 00:38:34,572
She used to tuck me in
with both hands,
875
00:38:34,616 --> 00:38:37,316
real hard, like, on both sides
of the blanket,
876
00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:38,968
to tuck me in.
877
00:38:39,012 --> 00:38:42,802
Almost like she was putting
a lock on me to keep me safe.
878
00:38:42,842 --> 00:38:44,932
And to this day, when I
get sad, or upset,
879
00:38:44,974 --> 00:38:49,944
or stressed out, I will
tuck myself in on the sides
880
00:38:49,979 --> 00:38:52,679
so that I feel
more secure.
881
00:38:52,721 --> 00:38:55,331
[off-screen] What do you
remember the most about Daniel?
882
00:38:55,376 --> 00:38:57,546
[sighs] Everything.
883
00:38:57,596 --> 00:39:00,686
I close my eyes and I can
see him doing everything.
884
00:39:00,729 --> 00:39:02,819
He was our whole lives,
all of us.
885
00:39:02,862 --> 00:39:06,172
He was very, very,
very, very loved...
886
00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:08,873
By our family,
by his siblings.
887
00:39:08,911 --> 00:39:13,001
He and his brother were
just thick as thieves.
888
00:39:13,046 --> 00:39:14,696
[off-screen] Did you go on to
have any relationship with
889
00:39:14,743 --> 00:39:17,623
the Benoit family afterward?
890
00:39:17,659 --> 00:39:21,839
I tried...
Unsuccessfully.
891
00:39:21,881 --> 00:39:26,021
♪
892
00:39:26,059 --> 00:39:28,409
I was told -
I won't say by who -
893
00:39:28,453 --> 00:39:31,193
that the children didn't want
anything to do with us.
894
00:39:31,238 --> 00:39:33,808
And, apparently the
children were told that
895
00:39:33,849 --> 00:39:35,419
we didn't want to have
anything to do with them
896
00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:37,850
'cause of what their dad did...
897
00:39:37,897 --> 00:39:42,467
Which was absolutely
not the truth.
898
00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:44,990
[David]
My last trip with my family
899
00:39:45,034 --> 00:39:49,264
was for WrestleMania XXIII,
in Detroit.
900
00:39:49,299 --> 00:39:52,429
And then after the match,
we flew back to Atlanta.
901
00:39:52,477 --> 00:39:56,607
Me, Nancy... and Daniel.
902
00:39:56,655 --> 00:39:59,695
My dad went to
Mexico for a tour.
903
00:39:59,745 --> 00:40:02,175
And then, me, Nancy,
and Daniel were just
904
00:40:02,225 --> 00:40:05,655
hanging around the house,
taking pictures,
905
00:40:05,707 --> 00:40:09,927
you know, out by the
trees with the dogs.
906
00:40:09,972 --> 00:40:13,592
And then... You know...
907
00:40:23,377 --> 00:40:25,067
You're doing it, brother.
Keep going.
908
00:40:25,118 --> 00:40:26,898
It's all good. Just let it out.
909
00:40:26,946 --> 00:40:28,636
That's what this is
all about, brother.
910
00:40:28,687 --> 00:40:32,557
♪
911
00:40:32,604 --> 00:40:33,784
[sniffles]
912
00:40:33,822 --> 00:40:35,652
David is absolutely a victim.
913
00:40:35,694 --> 00:40:39,184
He's a great kid that
was just dealt a bad hand.
914
00:40:39,219 --> 00:40:41,049
And it's just not fair.
It's not right.
915
00:40:41,090 --> 00:40:42,440
He didn't do anything wrong.
He was just--
916
00:40:42,483 --> 00:40:45,573
He's an innocent
bystander in all of this.
917
00:40:54,626 --> 00:40:57,276
[sighs] Fuck.
918
00:40:57,324 --> 00:41:00,894
[sighs]
919
00:41:07,247 --> 00:41:10,597
[sighs]
920
00:41:10,642 --> 00:41:13,512
[Chris] I felt that because
Chris killed his family,
921
00:41:13,558 --> 00:41:16,428
that the family he left
behind was automatically
922
00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:19,134
black balled from the world.
923
00:41:19,172 --> 00:41:22,612
Like, they're gonna be
blamed for what Chris did.
924
00:41:22,654 --> 00:41:25,444
To me, those two needed
to be reconnected because,
925
00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:27,573
talking with David,
and meeting Sandra and
926
00:41:27,615 --> 00:41:29,485
knowing she was having
the same issues,
927
00:41:29,530 --> 00:41:32,400
and pain, and hurt
that David had,
928
00:41:32,446 --> 00:41:35,666
and nobody will ever really
understand what they
929
00:41:35,710 --> 00:41:37,670
went through with the
exception of each other.
930
00:41:37,712 --> 00:41:39,452
So, I thought if I,
if I could connect them,
931
00:41:39,497 --> 00:41:41,627
if they had a
chance to talk,
932
00:41:41,673 --> 00:41:44,893
that maybe they could move
on and still realize that
933
00:41:44,937 --> 00:41:47,237
they have family
in each other.
934
00:41:47,287 --> 00:41:50,287
Chris Jericho,
wrestling angel come to life,
935
00:41:50,333 --> 00:41:52,513
he gave my number
to my nephew,
936
00:41:52,553 --> 00:41:54,343
and gave my
nephew's number to me.
937
00:41:54,381 --> 00:41:58,171
We hadn't talked since
before everything happened.
938
00:41:58,211 --> 00:42:02,961
[David] So, 13 years the last
time we saw each other.
939
00:42:02,998 --> 00:42:05,128
It's been a very long.
940
00:42:05,174 --> 00:42:07,394
She finally called me.
I answered.
941
00:42:07,437 --> 00:42:09,177
We talked on
the phone for...
942
00:42:09,222 --> 00:42:11,222
probably a good 2 hours.
943
00:42:11,267 --> 00:42:14,747
And now, going to
watch wrestling...
944
00:42:14,793 --> 00:42:18,413
'cause I still love it.
It's in my blood.
945
00:42:18,448 --> 00:42:21,058
Feels like we
never were apart.
946
00:42:21,103 --> 00:42:22,763
Felt like we
just reconnected.
947
00:42:22,801 --> 00:42:25,891
Left off where we started.
Nothing has changed.
948
00:42:25,934 --> 00:42:28,594
She's still my
Auntie Sza-Sza.
949
00:42:28,633 --> 00:42:30,593
[Chris] Chris lives on in
David every day.
950
00:42:30,635 --> 00:42:32,765
And Nancy lives on
in Sandra every day.
951
00:42:32,811 --> 00:42:36,731
And I think they were both lost
when Chris and Nancy died.
952
00:42:36,771 --> 00:42:40,821
So, hopefully, this will
help them get found.
953
00:42:40,862 --> 00:42:41,952
- You feel better.
- Light.
954
00:42:41,994 --> 00:42:43,524
A weight's been lifted.
955
00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:46,041
Well, 'cause you guys have the
same perspective, you know.
956
00:42:46,085 --> 00:42:47,605
I think more
than anyone else.
957
00:42:47,652 --> 00:42:49,262
It's important for you guys to
stick together on this, right.
958
00:42:49,305 --> 00:42:52,175
'Cause you know, yeah, like we
can be friends and supportive,
959
00:42:52,221 --> 00:42:54,051
but it's not
the same as for you guys.
960
00:42:54,093 --> 00:42:55,923
No, it's not the same.
It's family.
961
00:42:55,964 --> 00:42:57,144
Yeah, exactly.
962
00:42:57,183 --> 00:43:01,493
I've never been--
[clears throat]
963
00:43:01,535 --> 00:43:03,535
I've never been more
grateful and happy
964
00:43:03,581 --> 00:43:07,721
to see someone that I love as
I was when I saw my nephew.
965
00:43:07,759 --> 00:43:10,409
[off-screen] Do you think you
will ever be able to,
966
00:43:10,457 --> 00:43:14,107
or want to give
forgiveness towards Chris?
967
00:43:14,156 --> 00:43:17,856
Yes, I think I do, some day,
want to be able to forgive him.
968
00:43:17,899 --> 00:43:22,989
I do.
Because, carrying around...
969
00:43:23,035 --> 00:43:28,515
the burden of hate...
gets exhausting.
970
00:43:28,562 --> 00:43:33,442
Everyone deserves forgiveness.
971
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,830
And, everyone
deserves mercy.
972
00:43:35,874 --> 00:43:38,574
So, I think
that within time,
973
00:43:38,616 --> 00:43:43,006
there'll be a day when I get
on my knees and
974
00:43:43,055 --> 00:43:49,445
I finally say it,
that I forgive him.
975
00:43:49,496 --> 00:43:51,626
You never know,
it might be tomorrow.
976
00:43:51,672 --> 00:43:55,202
But, I do know
it's not today.
977
00:43:55,241 --> 00:44:00,161
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