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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,480 Beautiful weather, stunning locations, 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,400 the stuff luxury dreams are made of. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,960 Welcome to the world of the cruise. 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,640 The ship really becomes the destination 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,720 and you don't want to get off. 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,720 For many, it's been the holiday of a lifetime. 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,400 You just wake up, look out of the window and say, wow. 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,200 But for how much longer? 9 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,560 The pandemic has hit travel and tourism harder than most. 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,400 It's been a train wreck. 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,880 It literally turned the taps off and the cruise ships are 12 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,640 literally having to cancel cruises, send people back home. 13 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,280 And cruise companies are struggling to weather the storm. 14 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,720 Royal Caribbean, Carnival and Norwegian are haemorrhaging 15 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:41,960 a billion dollars a month. 16 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:47,040 Their mega ships sit idle, waiting for the green light to sail again. 17 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,520 I haven't gone this long without a cruise for 20, 30 years. 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,920 So I'm delving into this multibillion pound industry. 19 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,440 The company itself knows that it can basically exploit 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:00:59,840 the little guy. 21 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,280 I'll discover how cruise operators have sailed through a barrage 22 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,560 of criticisms and disasters. 23 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,040 I had friends on board. 24 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,680 Very sad, shocking. 25 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,320 Meet the people that have shaped the way we cruise. 26 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:16,280 This was a mind-blowing project to get involved in. 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,720 And find out if there is a future for cruising 28 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,080 after Covid crippled the industry. 29 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:27,560 Is there a chance that the cruise industry could go bust entirely? 30 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,000 I must admit there were times when I thought that. 31 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,760 When cruises began, they were the ultimate luxury holiday, 32 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,720 the preserve of the wealthy. 33 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,760 Since then, cruise lines have broadened their appeal, selling 34 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,080 luxury cruises that cater for all budget types and age groups. 35 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,440 And last year, over 300 ships were cruising around the world, 36 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:10,080 making this one of the biggest tourism success stories of our time. 37 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,920 I've actually been on somewhere in the region of 85 cruises. 38 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:19,760 I lost count a while ago. I am that cruise addict. 39 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,880 As of now, I've been to 34 countries and 22 of them 40 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,560 have been from cruising. 41 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,920 There's something about being on a ship. 42 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:30,880 It is a bit romantic. 43 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,240 I mean, forget the fact that I've married two husbands 44 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,560 from cruise ships, but it is a romantic situation. 45 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:43,160 Each morning you wake up, you've got a different vista, a different port. 46 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,480 You're not having to pack and unpack, and you just wake up, 47 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,840 look out of the window and say, wow. 48 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,680 Last year, two million Brits contributed 49 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,120 to a total of 30 million cruise passengers travelling the world. 50 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,160 Before the pandemic, 51 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,560 the cruise industry was worth over £100 billion. 52 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:08,200 Huge floating resorts were continually skirting the globe. 53 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,760 From Alaska to Antarctica, the Med to Mexico, 54 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,040 it was the sort of holiday that cruise converts 55 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,480 kept coming back to. 56 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,080 But how a luxury trip on a ship became a treat that many of us 57 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,800 could aspire to is an incredible story of engineering and marketing. 58 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,400 The success of the cruise industry was born from the brilliant insight 59 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,320 that the ship itself could be the destination 60 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,960 rather than just the journey. 61 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,480 A veteran of more than 200 cruises over the last 50 years, 62 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,080 maritime historian Roger Cartwright's 63 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,640 knowledge of cruising is encyclopaedic. 64 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,480 So, Roger, tell me about the beginning of 65 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,360 the modern cruise industry. 66 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,840 In the late 1960s, 67 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,240 a Norwegian called Knut Kloster built a small ship 68 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,920 that had entertainment spaces on them. 69 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:02,400 They served good food and they ran seven-day cruises 70 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,760 out of ports like Miami, 71 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:09,080 and from that little acorn, a huge industry grew. 72 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,600 That was the start of Carnival 73 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,800 and it was the start of Norwegian Cruise Line. 74 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,880 Drawing on the first class experience offered by 75 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,280 ocean liners like the QE2, cruise ships became a playground 76 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:22,320 for an older, wealthier set. 77 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,840 But the appeal of invitations to dine on the captain's table 78 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:28,880 and play shuffleboard on deck was soon dated, 79 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,400 and the luxury cruise struggled with an image problem. 80 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,440 Cruising tended to be a bit stuffy. 81 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,120 You would get dressed for dinner every night 82 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,880 when you weren't in port. 83 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,080 Entertainment was quite basic. 84 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,200 To make matters worse, in the UK it was now competing with the rise 85 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,240 of affordable air travel and cheap package holidays. 86 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,560 The idea of a pleasure cruise had lost its appeal and its saviour 87 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,520 came from an unlikely place. 88 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,800 # The Love Boat. # 89 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,320 The Love Boat was a seminal American TV series that travelled the globe. 90 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,280 Shown in almost 100 countries, it revolutionised 91 00:05:06,280 --> 00:05:10,680 how people saw cruises, sparking a spectacular boom. 92 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,960 The dramatic storylines and big hair emphasised the glamour 93 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,080 and romance of cruising. 94 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,120 It was the perfect advertisement for the cruise industry. 95 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,120 It didn't cost them a penny, but led to billions in revenue. 96 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,880 And rumour has it, that staff on board even grew moustaches 97 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,880 like Isaac, the bartender, to increase their tips. 98 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,720 Really, it said to ordinary people, "This is a holiday for you... 99 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,080 "..and it is fun." 100 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,120 I did watch The Love Boat, yes, I was addicted to it. 101 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,080 It was all fun... Sand, sea and sex, dare I say it? 102 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,680 It just gave a whole different aspect to cruising. 103 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,360 It was eye opening. 104 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,800 You know, every day they used to go to bed and then get up 105 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,240 in another place. 106 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,280 And I just thought, "Wow!" It really made me think 107 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:58,920 that that was what I wanted for my future, to be on a cruise ship. 108 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,920 With the help of The Love Boat, by 1980, passenger numbers 109 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,480 had tripled to nearly 1.5 million a year. 110 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,960 But even though its popularity was increasing, it was still 111 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,040 an expensive holiday. 112 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,120 Cruise operators knew that to expand, they would need to make 113 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,720 that holiday more affordable beyond the very rich. 114 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,400 And so the mega ship was born. 115 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,760 In 1988, Royal Caribbean commissioned the largest 116 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,360 cruise ship ever built at that time. 117 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,720 It was called Sovereign of the Seas. 118 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,080 She was a floating resort. 119 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,440 I think I once heard it described as a horizontal Hilton. 120 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,080 It took five years to design and build and cost 121 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,440 175 million US dollars. 122 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,320 Stuart Phillips was part of the design team that created 123 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,520 the extravagant interior spaces that would become the future 124 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,880 of the cruise system. 125 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,160 So, Stuart, could you tell me what your brief was 126 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:56,440 for the Sovereign of the Seas? 127 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,960 Well, they were after a five-star, glamorous, 128 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:02,760 luxury hotel at sea. 129 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:07,160 How did you create that five-star opulence? 130 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,440 We used marble and all sorts of high-quality materials 131 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,240 in the shopping mall. 132 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,200 The champagne bar is an Art Deco theme, 133 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,480 etched glass designs on the windows. 134 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,360 Leather seats, very, very high, high class. 135 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,720 What you would expect in a luxury hotel. 136 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,480 Did you feel that you were part of the beginning 137 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,840 of something extraordinary? 138 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,720 This was a mind-blowing project to get involved in. 139 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,480 Now everybody talks with such reverence about Sovereign 140 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,960 as the first great mega ship. 141 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,640 To capitalise on the success of Sovereign, 142 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,680 two even larger sister ships were launched. 143 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,960 Royal Caribbean had found the blueprint 144 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,400 for the future of cruising. 145 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,480 The success of the first mega ships sparked a kind of space race 146 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,240 between the cruise companies. 147 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,080 The more popular cruising became, 148 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,160 the more possibility the operators saw for expanding even further. 149 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,640 As a world-leading cruise industry analyst, Tony Peisley, understands 150 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,360 exactly how the cruise operators were able to sell luxury 151 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:13,840 to the masses. 152 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,000 And it all comes down to economies of scale. 153 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,440 If you've got one ship, 2,000 passengers... 154 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,600 ..one ship, 4,000 passengers, 155 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,560 you've still only got one captain, one head of department, 156 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,120 one chief engineer, propulsion doesn't cost twice as much 157 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,520 for a bigger ship than a ship half the size. 158 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,080 So automatically, you're cutting your costs. 159 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,680 And it worked. 160 00:08:38,680 --> 00:08:42,680 By the 1990s, an astonishing 3.8 million people 161 00:08:42,680 --> 00:08:45,080 were holidaying on cruise ships. 162 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,840 The industry was booming. 163 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,320 Cruise companies needed more ships to keep up with demand. 164 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,320 In just ten years, the number of ships on order had tripled. 165 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,920 They were built with more pools, more bars and more restaurants. 166 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,640 Jim Evans has been responsible for buying, refitting 167 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,840 and launching these giants of the seas. 168 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,360 Jim, can you tell me, how are cruise ships built? 169 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,240 These days, they're assembled piece by piece inside a big dry dock, 170 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,520 which is often inside an enormous hangar, 171 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,320 bigger than an aeroplane hangar. 172 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,600 And has it got quicker over time to build ships? 173 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:19,960 Very much so. 174 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,480 The old QE2, built in the 1960s, took about three and a half years. 175 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,520 She was 70,000 tonnes. 176 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,360 Some of these monsters we're building now, 200,000 tonnes, 177 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,960 take 18 months, two years at maximum. 178 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,320 Move over Sovereign of the Seas. 179 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,960 This is the world's largest cruise ship today, 180 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,880 Symphony of the Seas. 181 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,080 With 16 passenger decks, 22 restaurants, 182 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,320 four pools, an ice rink and a water park, 183 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,520 this modern mega ship makes the size and cost of Sovereign 184 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,440 look like it was built on a budget. 185 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,920 Symphony cost almost £1 billion to build, 186 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,320 which means that just one berth comes in 187 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,720 at a cost price of £150,000. 188 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,080 And that's just the tip of the iceberg. 189 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,760 There's $60 billion worth of ships on order 190 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,680 over the next seven years. 191 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,240 The mind boggles at how cruise lines finance just one 192 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,600 of these billion-pound vessels. 193 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,720 How long does it take to recoup that money? 194 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,960 In the recent good times, it's probably taken five or six years. 195 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,880 Wow! I'm really surprised by that. 196 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,840 How long will a ship be in service for? 197 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,720 Typically about 40 years. 198 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,360 And you assume it's a ship with about 3,000 passengers. 199 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,320 That's about 26 million profit in a year. 200 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,160 To put that in perspective, before the pandemic, the cruise 201 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,200 sector was the fastest-growing area of the travel industry, at almost 202 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,400 twice the rate of land-based tourism. 203 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,840 Coming up, we take a look at how cruise ships found ways to entice 204 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,360 more passengers on board than ever before. 205 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,400 I think because it's now become such good value for money, 206 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,120 it's almost a resort holiday now. 207 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,480 And how they squeeze our wallets. 208 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,480 On board excursions, speciality restaurants... 209 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,960 ..photography, the spas, they will try and get 210 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,360 money out of you in many ways. 211 00:11:20,390 --> 00:11:21,270 In the early 1970s, cruising was a neat holiday 212 00:11:21,270 --> 00:11:23,190 for the wealthy elite. 213 00:11:23,190 --> 00:11:27,190 A handful of purpose-built cruise ships, often well-to-do passengers, 214 00:11:27,190 --> 00:11:30,470 activities like shuffleboard, masquerade balls 215 00:11:30,470 --> 00:11:32,230 and bridge tournaments. 216 00:11:32,230 --> 00:11:35,590 Since then, the ships have quadrupled in size and number, 217 00:11:35,590 --> 00:11:39,950 and the industry is now worth over £100 billion. 218 00:11:39,950 --> 00:11:41,870 At the beginning of this year, 219 00:11:41,870 --> 00:11:45,470 there were around 300 cruise ships touring the globe. 220 00:11:45,470 --> 00:11:47,470 And thanks to economies of scale, 221 00:11:47,470 --> 00:11:50,550 the modern mega ships have made cruising affordable, 222 00:11:50,550 --> 00:11:54,270 broadening the appeal of a luxury cruise to all kinds of people. 223 00:11:54,270 --> 00:11:57,630 Even on one ship, you would have people like... 224 00:11:57,630 --> 00:11:59,990 ..well, like us, really - 225 00:11:59,990 --> 00:12:04,470 working in a call centre and having, you know, basic jobs, 226 00:12:04,470 --> 00:12:06,150 to multiple millionaires - 227 00:12:06,150 --> 00:12:08,750 and we all mix in together, having a laugh together. 228 00:12:08,750 --> 00:12:12,350 When we started cruising, most people were cruising to be cruising, 229 00:12:12,350 --> 00:12:15,630 but I think, because it's now become such good value for money, 230 00:12:15,630 --> 00:12:18,030 it's almost a resort holiday now. 231 00:12:18,030 --> 00:12:21,270 There's now a cruise for every budget and taste - 232 00:12:21,270 --> 00:12:25,590 single cruises, couples' cruises, adventure cruises, 233 00:12:25,590 --> 00:12:27,550 even ballroom dance cruises. 234 00:12:27,550 --> 00:12:29,910 Taking inspiration from resorts on land, 235 00:12:29,910 --> 00:12:33,350 cruise ships were designed with cinemas on board, 236 00:12:33,350 --> 00:12:35,790 mini golf courses, water slides... 237 00:12:35,790 --> 00:12:38,310 There's just so many things that you can do on the ship, 238 00:12:38,310 --> 00:12:40,110 whether it's physical activities 239 00:12:40,110 --> 00:12:42,670 like rock climbing or ice skating on board. 240 00:12:42,670 --> 00:12:46,030 You can have ziplining across the ship, and surfing simulators. 241 00:12:46,030 --> 00:12:48,590 You can pretend to surf on the ship. 242 00:12:49,790 --> 00:12:52,150 I think mega ships are going to be the future of cruising, 243 00:12:52,150 --> 00:12:54,830 because you're always going to want that next activity 244 00:12:54,830 --> 00:12:56,310 and next adventure to go on. 245 00:12:56,310 --> 00:13:00,710 Those mega ships really do have the wow factor. 246 00:13:00,710 --> 00:13:06,350 They are designed to keep passengers entertained 24 hours a day. 247 00:13:06,350 --> 00:13:10,670 I've been an entertainer of all kinds - singer, dancer, 248 00:13:10,670 --> 00:13:12,270 on all the different lines. 249 00:13:18,430 --> 00:13:23,950 Year round from January to January, it's been fantastic. 250 00:13:23,950 --> 00:13:27,590 We've seen some top class performances, haven't we? Yeah. 251 00:13:27,590 --> 00:13:29,950 Big stars on board, haven't we? Over the years. 252 00:13:29,950 --> 00:13:35,030 Yes, we have. We've seen Ronnie Corbett, Claire Sweeney... 253 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:37,350 Gary Wilmot. Gary Wilmot. 254 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:39,750 Ooh, Tom O'Connor's been on board. 255 00:13:41,110 --> 00:13:44,310 The ship really becomes the destination, 256 00:13:44,310 --> 00:13:47,190 and you actually don't want to leave it to go into port, 257 00:13:47,190 --> 00:13:51,590 because there's so much to do and so much to see and experience 258 00:13:51,590 --> 00:13:54,110 that, actually, you don't want to get off. 259 00:13:54,110 --> 00:13:58,510 In the last 20 years, passenger numbers have tripled to 30 million. 260 00:13:58,510 --> 00:14:01,590 The cruise companies have positioned themselves 261 00:14:01,590 --> 00:14:06,270 so they've manage to please all of their customers all the time. 262 00:14:06,270 --> 00:14:10,870 There are mainstream brands, premium brands, luxury brands. 263 00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:15,270 And different operators target different countries. 264 00:14:15,270 --> 00:14:19,590 For example, Carnival Princess appeals to the American market. 265 00:14:19,590 --> 00:14:22,150 P&O is aimed at us Brits, 266 00:14:22,150 --> 00:14:24,470 and Costa Cruises targets the Italians. 267 00:14:25,870 --> 00:14:27,470 So, as the industry grew, 268 00:14:27,470 --> 00:14:30,030 they really could offer something for everyone. 269 00:14:30,030 --> 00:14:33,070 You might call it accessible luxury, 270 00:14:33,070 --> 00:14:34,790 and these brands are owned 271 00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:37,470 by a surprisingly small number of operators. 272 00:14:39,470 --> 00:14:42,430 The lion's share, around 70% of the market, 273 00:14:42,430 --> 00:14:45,150 is made up of just three cruise lines - 274 00:14:45,150 --> 00:14:49,110 Carnival, Royal Caribbean and Norwegian. 275 00:14:49,110 --> 00:14:53,510 Combined, they bring in nearly 40 billion US dollars a year - 276 00:14:53,510 --> 00:14:56,910 and out of the big three, Carnival has developed a bit of a reputation 277 00:14:56,910 --> 00:14:58,950 for eating up the competition 278 00:14:58,950 --> 00:15:01,950 to broaden their reach into different markets. 279 00:15:01,950 --> 00:15:03,830 Everyone knows P&O. 280 00:15:03,830 --> 00:15:07,470 Well, they were bought by Carnival in 2003. 281 00:15:07,470 --> 00:15:09,350 Cunard, bought by Carnival, 282 00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:11,990 Holland America, Carnival, 283 00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:13,870 and, yep, Costa Cruises, Carnival. 284 00:15:15,590 --> 00:15:18,990 These brands might be owned by the same three cruise companies, 285 00:15:18,990 --> 00:15:21,430 but prices vary enormously. 286 00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:24,270 The general rule is the lower the ticket price, 287 00:15:24,270 --> 00:15:27,070 the more little extras you'll pay for on board. 288 00:15:27,070 --> 00:15:29,070 So as the prices have come down, 289 00:15:29,070 --> 00:15:32,110 some of the little special little things that used to have 290 00:15:32,110 --> 00:15:33,830 have also gone with them - 291 00:15:33,830 --> 00:15:37,910 things like free ice creams at certain times of day. 292 00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:42,750 They'll be selling you all sorts of excursions and drinks packages, 293 00:15:42,750 --> 00:15:47,630 and...even to go on an on a tour of the ship costs money these days, 294 00:15:47,630 --> 00:15:49,350 which it never used to. 295 00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:51,710 And drinks on board can actually end up costing more 296 00:15:51,710 --> 00:15:52,950 than the cruise price itself. 297 00:15:52,950 --> 00:15:54,310 So, you just have to be careful 298 00:15:54,310 --> 00:15:56,710 about what you're doing on your cruise and just budget for it. 299 00:15:56,710 --> 00:15:58,230 They try and sort of to sell to you. 300 00:15:58,230 --> 00:16:01,270 It's very quick, very easy. They are experts in doing it. 301 00:16:01,270 --> 00:16:06,710 Onboard excursions, speciality restaurants, the photography, 302 00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:11,110 the spas - they will try and get money out of you in many ways. 303 00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:12,870 The reason being is, you're on the ship - 304 00:16:12,870 --> 00:16:14,390 you are a captive audience. 305 00:16:14,390 --> 00:16:18,790 So, when I go on a cruise, I happily pay for speciality dining, 306 00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:20,270 things like shore excursions, 307 00:16:20,270 --> 00:16:24,870 and I also like to spend money in the spa. 308 00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:28,310 So, I always do spend quite a bit on a cruise. 309 00:16:28,310 --> 00:16:30,670 And all these costs soon add up 310 00:16:30,670 --> 00:16:34,630 and become a significant revenue stream for the cruise lines. 311 00:16:34,630 --> 00:16:37,750 In just one day, a ship with 5,000 people on board 312 00:16:37,750 --> 00:16:42,470 could make over £50,000 in profit from a shore excursion. 313 00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:46,350 Academic and advocate for a more transparent cruise industry 314 00:16:46,350 --> 00:16:49,670 Professor Ross Klein has been studying the revenue generated 315 00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:51,310 by cruise ships for decades. 316 00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:55,470 They're going to hold back 50% or more of what you pay 317 00:16:55,470 --> 00:16:57,910 as their commission for selling it to you. 318 00:16:57,910 --> 00:17:00,350 They're going to get kickbacks as high as 40% 319 00:17:00,350 --> 00:17:02,470 through their shopping programme 320 00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:04,950 from the stores they advertise ashore. 321 00:17:06,030 --> 00:17:07,790 Add this to the ticket price 322 00:17:07,790 --> 00:17:11,630 and, on the larger ships, profits could be over £1 million 323 00:17:11,630 --> 00:17:12,790 in just one week. 324 00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:18,350 Over £150,000 profit a day. 325 00:17:18,350 --> 00:17:20,110 It's big business. 326 00:17:20,110 --> 00:17:21,950 in terms of takings, 327 00:17:21,950 --> 00:17:25,950 around 70% of the revenue that makes it into a cruise company's coffers 328 00:17:25,950 --> 00:17:27,750 is from ticket sales. 329 00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:30,590 The other 30% is made up of all those little extras 330 00:17:30,590 --> 00:17:31,870 when we're on board - 331 00:17:31,870 --> 00:17:34,230 and every penny of revenue counts, 332 00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:37,430 because this is an industry with very high fixed costs. 333 00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:42,270 Just staff wages can add up to over £100,000,000 a day. 334 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:47,070 Then there's the food, the fuel, maintenance - the list goes on. 335 00:17:47,070 --> 00:17:51,030 So, it's little wonder cruise lines are doing away with small luxuries 336 00:17:51,030 --> 00:17:53,030 to cut their costs. 337 00:17:53,030 --> 00:17:55,070 Back in the mid-1990s, 338 00:17:55,070 --> 00:17:59,470 Royal Caribbean stopped providing chocolate on the pillows at night, 339 00:17:59,470 --> 00:18:02,750 a turndown service, to save $50,000 annually. 340 00:18:03,950 --> 00:18:06,390 But cutting back on freebies isn't the only way 341 00:18:06,390 --> 00:18:08,110 cruise companies save money. 342 00:18:08,110 --> 00:18:10,790 They can maximise profits by incorporating their businesses 343 00:18:10,790 --> 00:18:16,390 in tax havens, and by having their ships fly a flag of convenience. 344 00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:21,350 Can you tell me how cruise operators use flags of convenience? 345 00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:24,750 Yes, it's actually very similar to offshore financial centres. Right? 346 00:18:24,750 --> 00:18:27,230 So, if you register with this offshore registry, 347 00:18:27,230 --> 00:18:29,190 with this flag of convenience, 348 00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:31,550 you have really a whole different idea 349 00:18:31,550 --> 00:18:33,910 in terms of what you're paying for taxes. 350 00:18:33,910 --> 00:18:37,670 So, it really can, and allows, for tax avoidance. 351 00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:44,790 Take Carnival. Although their headquarters is in Miami, 352 00:18:44,790 --> 00:18:47,910 they have ships flying the Panamanian flag, 353 00:18:47,910 --> 00:18:50,670 the flag of the Bahamas and the Maltese flag - 354 00:18:50,670 --> 00:18:55,470 all tax havens - and the company itself is incorporated in Panama. 355 00:18:56,670 --> 00:19:00,150 So, that's why Carnival Corporation 356 00:19:00,150 --> 00:19:04,470 can earn $3 billion net profit and have paid no income tax. 357 00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:06,150 They're registered in Panama. 358 00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:09,870 A big fat zero - zero tax? And Royal Caribbean, the same thing. 359 00:19:09,870 --> 00:19:11,630 They're registered in Liberia. 360 00:19:11,630 --> 00:19:13,630 They pay no corporate income tax. 361 00:19:13,630 --> 00:19:16,270 NCL is registered in the Bahamas, 362 00:19:16,270 --> 00:19:19,950 and they, again, pay no corporate income tax. 363 00:19:19,950 --> 00:19:22,310 It's the beauty of being registered 364 00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:25,910 someplace other than where you're actually operating from. 365 00:19:25,910 --> 00:19:27,710 Incredible. 366 00:19:27,710 --> 00:19:30,590 The cruise lines say that the countries they visit 367 00:19:30,590 --> 00:19:32,950 benefit from the port and maritime fees 368 00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:35,230 that they have to pay around the world. 369 00:19:35,230 --> 00:19:37,110 During 2018, in the US alone, 370 00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:41,790 the cruise industry contributed over $50 billion to the economy - 371 00:19:41,790 --> 00:19:44,750 but, over the years, the operators have come under fire 372 00:19:44,750 --> 00:19:47,230 for other ways they reduce their running costs. 373 00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:53,030 Coming up, we take a look at the disasters and PR nightmares 374 00:19:53,030 --> 00:19:55,310 that could have rocked the cruise industry. 375 00:19:55,310 --> 00:19:57,950 From poor working conditions... 376 00:19:57,950 --> 00:20:00,990 They'd be packed into cabins, possibly six to cabin. 377 00:20:00,990 --> 00:20:05,910 The company itself knows that it can basically exploit the little guy. 378 00:20:05,910 --> 00:20:07,470 ..to sinking ships. 379 00:20:07,470 --> 00:20:08,910 I had friends on board. 380 00:20:08,910 --> 00:20:10,710 It's very sad. It's shocking. 381 00:20:19,660 --> 00:20:20,900 The rise of the cruise industry is one of the most extraordinary 382 00:20:20,900 --> 00:20:23,180 boom stories of our time. 383 00:20:23,180 --> 00:20:25,460 But of all the Covid casualties... 384 00:20:25,460 --> 00:20:27,820 ..it's one of the most spectacular. 385 00:20:29,260 --> 00:20:33,140 Since the 1970s, when just a handful of purpose-built ships 386 00:20:33,140 --> 00:20:37,140 carried 500,000 passengers a year, it's ballooned to a fleet 387 00:20:37,140 --> 00:20:42,020 with over 300 ships carrying 30 million holiday-makers, 388 00:20:42,020 --> 00:20:45,460 it's now an industry valued at well over £100 billion. 389 00:20:46,580 --> 00:20:50,060 It boomed by making luxury affordable to everyone. 390 00:20:50,060 --> 00:20:52,860 But at the heart of luxury is outstanding service, 391 00:20:52,860 --> 00:20:55,900 which requires a high headcount of staff to pamper 392 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:58,700 and attend to our every need. 393 00:20:58,700 --> 00:21:03,020 This quality of service is the main reason why the satisfaction levels 394 00:21:03,020 --> 00:21:05,380 that cruise holidays command, 395 00:21:05,380 --> 00:21:10,300 have always been among the highest of anything in the tourism business. 396 00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:13,580 People come away thinking they've had more, 397 00:21:13,580 --> 00:21:15,780 they've had their expectations exceeded. 398 00:21:17,380 --> 00:21:20,620 And to keep the passengers pampered, the larger ships can have 399 00:21:20,620 --> 00:21:22,980 over 2,000 staff on board. 400 00:21:24,620 --> 00:21:26,540 They work very hard. 401 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:29,860 And not only that, not only do they work hard, 402 00:21:29,860 --> 00:21:31,860 but they're always pleasant. 403 00:21:31,860 --> 00:21:33,980 On one of the cruises I went on, 404 00:21:33,980 --> 00:21:36,940 I would order at midnight a hot chocolate every night, 405 00:21:36,940 --> 00:21:39,380 and that just ended up being my thing. 406 00:21:39,380 --> 00:21:42,500 And one day when I called room service, he answered, saying, 407 00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:44,420 "One hot chocolate, anything else? 408 00:21:44,420 --> 00:21:46,780 And I said, "You got me, you know what I like, 409 00:21:46,780 --> 00:21:48,660 "nothing else, like, that's perfect." 410 00:21:48,660 --> 00:21:53,060 You meet a waiter on one cruise and you might turn up in the dining room 411 00:21:53,060 --> 00:21:56,100 up to a year or more later, and they actually remember you, 412 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:58,460 and they'll come over and hug you 413 00:21:58,460 --> 00:22:01,380 and show you photographs of their children, 414 00:22:01,380 --> 00:22:03,740 and I think that is brilliant. 415 00:22:03,740 --> 00:22:06,340 But the luxury of doting staff comes at a lower cost 416 00:22:06,340 --> 00:22:08,860 to the cruise operator than you might think. 417 00:22:08,860 --> 00:22:11,940 They're well known for hiring workers from developing nations, 418 00:22:11,940 --> 00:22:14,300 and thanks to the use of flags of convenience, 419 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:17,740 cruise ships aren't necessarily bound by the same workers' rights 420 00:22:17,740 --> 00:22:20,380 that you have in the UK. 421 00:22:20,380 --> 00:22:24,780 Some crew can expect a seven-day working week, 12 hour shifts, 422 00:22:24,780 --> 00:22:27,620 cramped living quarters and low wages. 423 00:22:28,820 --> 00:22:31,100 We have a lot of Filipino cruise members, 424 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:33,500 we have a lot of Indonesians. 425 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:35,340 People from all over the world 426 00:22:35,340 --> 00:22:37,700 are working on board the cruise ship 427 00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:41,300 and they're away for six, seven, eight, nine months at a time. 428 00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:44,380 We've bought presents for their children when we're in ports, 429 00:22:44,380 --> 00:22:46,180 that they could take home. 430 00:22:46,180 --> 00:22:49,220 One of them had a brand-new baby he hadn't even seen yet, 431 00:22:49,220 --> 00:22:51,340 which is... Which is really sad. 432 00:22:51,340 --> 00:22:53,860 David is a former cruise ship photographer. 433 00:22:53,860 --> 00:22:56,460 So, when I was working on the ships, they had to go away 434 00:22:56,460 --> 00:22:59,860 from the passenger areas during the... When they weren't working. 435 00:22:59,860 --> 00:23:02,700 They'd have a crew bar, but they'd be packed into cabins, 436 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:05,060 possibly six to a cabin. 437 00:23:05,060 --> 00:23:07,780 And after working for five years on cruise ships, Nick, 438 00:23:07,780 --> 00:23:10,460 part of the sports team and Kenner, a dancer, 439 00:23:10,460 --> 00:23:13,180 know first-hand the huge discrepancies in pay 440 00:23:13,180 --> 00:23:16,740 and working conditions for crew on cruise ships. 441 00:23:16,740 --> 00:23:19,060 The system that's put in place on the cruise ship 442 00:23:19,060 --> 00:23:20,860 are set, you know, ranks. 443 00:23:20,860 --> 00:23:23,540 You've got no stripes, which is, you're bottom. 444 00:23:23,540 --> 00:23:26,060 Working crew in the engines, we call "Blue Boys", 445 00:23:26,060 --> 00:23:28,900 obviously because they wear blue overalls all the time. 446 00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:31,620 Then it kind of goes up from there, like restaurants, bar. 447 00:23:31,620 --> 00:23:34,220 As you get higher you're getting into the entertainment 448 00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:36,500 side of things, which is where we come into play, 449 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:38,420 which is a huge stripe position. 450 00:23:38,420 --> 00:23:40,820 Below, too... There's a difference. 451 00:23:40,820 --> 00:23:43,180 There's a difference the way they get treated. 452 00:23:43,180 --> 00:23:45,540 Also in terms of living accommodations... 453 00:23:45,540 --> 00:23:49,540 ..so you have deck zero, which is basically where all 454 00:23:49,540 --> 00:23:53,860 of the dancers, the ice skaters, the ice cast, the cruise division, 455 00:23:53,860 --> 00:23:55,780 all of those people are staying. 456 00:23:55,780 --> 00:23:58,460 And then you have the Blue Boys who are on the tween deck. 457 00:23:58,460 --> 00:24:00,020 So that's the deck below. 458 00:24:00,020 --> 00:24:03,620 So deck zero is about sea level. 459 00:24:03,620 --> 00:24:06,580 And the tween deck is completely underwater. 460 00:24:06,580 --> 00:24:08,060 It's horrendous. 461 00:24:08,060 --> 00:24:10,580 And then we don't think that the cabins could get smaller, 462 00:24:10,580 --> 00:24:12,420 but they literally get smaller. 463 00:24:12,420 --> 00:24:15,940 They get a job on a cruise ship and it's really good money for them. 464 00:24:15,940 --> 00:24:19,100 It's - even though they're getting paid very minimum 465 00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:21,700 of what they can get paid. 466 00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:24,100 So they're really grateful for that. 467 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:26,580 But the company itself knows 468 00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:30,260 that it can basically exploit the little guy. 469 00:24:32,540 --> 00:24:34,220 Seafarer's Help, how may I help you? 470 00:24:34,220 --> 00:24:37,740 For 15 years, Chester Quintal has been on the front line 471 00:24:37,740 --> 00:24:41,380 at the International Seafarer Welfare and Assistance Network, 472 00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:44,100 managing helplines that take calls from crew 473 00:24:44,100 --> 00:24:46,780 concerned about their working conditions. 474 00:24:46,780 --> 00:24:51,180 So, as helpline manager, I've seen anecdotal evidence 475 00:24:51,180 --> 00:24:56,660 from our cases of seafarers, from the Philippines, from India, 476 00:24:56,660 --> 00:25:01,820 groups of seafarers working 18, 16 hours per day. 477 00:25:01,820 --> 00:25:06,060 And they say to us that they are pressured to log... 478 00:25:06,940 --> 00:25:10,420 ..a shorter number of hours per day, 479 00:25:10,420 --> 00:25:13,060 instead of logging the correct time. 480 00:25:14,260 --> 00:25:17,580 But for many workers from developing countries, the pay on ships 481 00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:20,060 will be far more than they could earn at home. 482 00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:22,420 Clearly, there is mutual advantage here. 483 00:25:22,420 --> 00:25:26,020 The corporation gets the labour and the employee gets 484 00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:27,740 financial benefit on it. 485 00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:32,340 However, if that is not done correctly, not done fairly, 486 00:25:32,340 --> 00:25:35,300 that means that the employee actually can get harmed. 487 00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:38,180 So that can be in terms of working conditions, 488 00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:41,140 in terms of the type of expectations of their labour. 489 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:43,500 You know, what sort of hours are they working? 490 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:46,100 What sort of conditions are they working in? 491 00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:48,380 And also an issue of remuneration. 492 00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:49,900 So, how much are they getting paid? 493 00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:52,100 In the developed world... 494 00:25:53,620 --> 00:25:56,220 ..we like to go on cheap holidays. 495 00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:57,380 We like to buy... 496 00:25:58,980 --> 00:26:01,340 ..cheap goods. 497 00:26:01,340 --> 00:26:03,140 I think, until that change... 498 00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:09,020 ..there will always be seafarers out there... 499 00:26:11,020 --> 00:26:13,620 ..who will most likely, erm... 500 00:26:14,740 --> 00:26:16,260 ..suffer. 501 00:26:16,260 --> 00:26:19,820 The rights of crew have improved significantly in recent years. 502 00:26:19,820 --> 00:26:22,540 In 2013, industry watchdogs implemented 503 00:26:22,540 --> 00:26:25,820 the Maritime Labour Convention, setting minimum standards 504 00:26:25,820 --> 00:26:30,220 for workers on ships, including set hours for work, and rest, 505 00:26:30,220 --> 00:26:34,300 payment of wages and repatriation at the end of contracts. 506 00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:37,580 But paying low wages isn't the only way the cruise lines 507 00:26:37,580 --> 00:26:41,620 minimise running costs to make cruising affordable to the masses. 508 00:26:41,620 --> 00:26:44,580 When ships aren't bound by the strict laws enforced 509 00:26:44,580 --> 00:26:47,620 in some countries, operators can be tempted to save money 510 00:26:47,620 --> 00:26:51,300 in other areas, like their environmental obligations. 511 00:26:52,340 --> 00:26:54,060 In 2017, Princess Cruises, 512 00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:57,340 owned by the largest of the cruise operators, Carnival, 513 00:26:57,340 --> 00:27:00,460 pleaded guilty to deliberately polluting the ocean 514 00:27:00,460 --> 00:27:05,020 by using a so-called magic pipe to syphon off oily engine waste, 515 00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:08,540 dumping it into the ocean off the coast of Southampton. 516 00:27:08,540 --> 00:27:11,580 They were fined $40 million, 517 00:27:11,580 --> 00:27:13,540 which might just be the biggest fine 518 00:27:13,540 --> 00:27:16,620 that's ever been handed to a cruise company. 519 00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:18,980 But it isn't a one-off. 520 00:27:18,980 --> 00:27:22,740 Over the last ten years, there have been 78 cited cases 521 00:27:22,740 --> 00:27:25,780 of environmental violations by cruise lines. 522 00:27:25,780 --> 00:27:30,180 Last year alone, Holland America, Maritime Executive and Carnival 523 00:27:30,180 --> 00:27:32,820 were handed out fines with a combined worth 524 00:27:32,820 --> 00:27:36,140 of over 20 million US dollars. 525 00:27:36,140 --> 00:27:39,820 The reality is, that these huge floating hotels, by nature, 526 00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:42,620 also have to be floating rubbish bins. 527 00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:46,700 Everything that is consumed on board eventually ends up as waste. 528 00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:49,780 Well, if you take one of the largest ships afloat, 529 00:27:49,780 --> 00:27:51,460 the ones that Royal Caribbean operate 530 00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:53,900 that have about 6,000 passengers, 531 00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:56,260 that single ship in a one week voyage 532 00:27:56,260 --> 00:28:00,580 is going to produce 15 million litres of grey water from showers, 533 00:28:00,580 --> 00:28:03,540 from sinks, from the galley, 534 00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:06,140 from - they empty the swimming pool... 535 00:28:06,140 --> 00:28:09,020 All the water except the water from toilets... 536 00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:12,900 ..is going to produce 1.2 million litres of... 537 00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:15,620 ..of sewage or black water. 538 00:28:15,620 --> 00:28:18,860 It's going to produce food waste, cardboard, bottles, 539 00:28:18,860 --> 00:28:21,660 everything else that gets packaged. 540 00:28:21,660 --> 00:28:24,740 That is a phenomenal amount of waste, isn't it? 541 00:28:24,740 --> 00:28:27,380 A cruise ship with 6,000 people is a small town, 542 00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:30,540 and it produces all the same problems. 543 00:28:30,540 --> 00:28:32,900 As an ex-cruise photographer, 544 00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:37,500 David has seen first-hand how cruise ships used to discard their waste. 545 00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:41,020 Cruise ships were far more polluting back in the '80s, 546 00:28:41,020 --> 00:28:45,420 and I personally witnessed the bin bags being hurled off the back deck, 547 00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:48,540 erm, hundreds of them, probably. 548 00:28:48,540 --> 00:28:51,660 I have to confess, I was guilty on one occasion of, 549 00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:54,140 as you can imagine, as a cruise ship photographer, 550 00:28:54,140 --> 00:28:55,940 we had thousands of pictures left over 551 00:28:55,940 --> 00:28:57,500 and one night we went up on deck 552 00:28:57,500 --> 00:29:00,660 and we hurled them off into the sea... 553 00:29:00,660 --> 00:29:03,460 ..thinking that was the last we'd see them. 554 00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:06,940 And about a month later... 555 00:29:06,940 --> 00:29:09,740 ..we got severely reprimanded, 556 00:29:09,740 --> 00:29:12,220 as all our pictures had washed up on someone's beach... 557 00:29:13,580 --> 00:29:16,220 ..and every one of them had the cruise line 558 00:29:16,220 --> 00:29:18,620 and the name of the ship written on it. 559 00:29:18,620 --> 00:29:22,180 So I feel terribly guilty about that. 560 00:29:22,180 --> 00:29:26,060 But, you know, we're living in a different world now, aren't we? 561 00:29:26,060 --> 00:29:28,420 How much would it cost for these ships 562 00:29:28,420 --> 00:29:31,340 to deal with their waste in a responsible way? 563 00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:36,020 Royal Caribbean was caught discharging oily bilge overboard. 564 00:29:36,020 --> 00:29:39,300 The chief engineers were asked, "Well, why were they doing it?" 565 00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:43,260 And they said, "Well, we could save $80,000 a year per ship 566 00:29:43,260 --> 00:29:47,260 "by not using the screens that would filter out the oil." 567 00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:51,100 So, imagine all of the other savings that can be found, 568 00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:55,980 by either mishandling or otherwise not treating waste in the most... 569 00:29:57,380 --> 00:30:00,180 ..environmentally responsible manner. 570 00:30:00,180 --> 00:30:02,860 Cruise Lines International Association 571 00:30:02,860 --> 00:30:06,260 say that some cruise ships repurpose 100% of the waste 572 00:30:06,260 --> 00:30:10,060 generated onboard by reducing, reusing, donating, 573 00:30:10,060 --> 00:30:13,420 recycling and converting waste into energy. 574 00:30:13,420 --> 00:30:16,500 Cruise ships recycle 60% more waste per person 575 00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:19,900 than the average person recycles onshore each day. 576 00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:22,860 But what do the passengers think when cruise ships are caught out 577 00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:24,580 for behaving badly? 578 00:30:24,580 --> 00:30:26,260 It wouldn't put me off cruising. 579 00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:27,740 Nothing will. 580 00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:30,340 However, if I did find a cruise ship had done something, 581 00:30:30,340 --> 00:30:33,580 I might look at the cruise line itself, 582 00:30:33,580 --> 00:30:36,660 rather than just the whole industry. 583 00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:40,660 Remarkably, it took a whistle-blower to catch out Carnival, 584 00:30:40,660 --> 00:30:43,140 and not an industry watchdog. 585 00:30:43,140 --> 00:30:46,620 Some of the flagship states that cruise companies operate under 586 00:30:46,620 --> 00:30:51,020 don't require reports on wrongdoing like environmental incidents, 587 00:30:51,020 --> 00:30:53,820 safety issues, accidents and even crimes. 588 00:30:55,660 --> 00:30:58,660 Just take a look at this - OK, illness outbreak, 589 00:30:58,660 --> 00:31:02,540 what have we got here? Fuel spill, then a fire. 590 00:31:02,540 --> 00:31:04,900 Here, a fine for polluting. 591 00:31:06,020 --> 00:31:09,660 And here, a crew member falls overboard and drowns. 592 00:31:11,220 --> 00:31:13,300 And the really terrible thing is, 593 00:31:13,300 --> 00:31:16,820 is that this list hasn't been compiled by the cruise lines, 594 00:31:16,820 --> 00:31:20,540 but it's the work of a single man, Ross Klein. 595 00:31:20,540 --> 00:31:24,500 Over the last 30 years, Ross Klein has been compiling a database 596 00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:28,100 of incidents that's been used as a reference in Senate hearings, 597 00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:31,540 criminal cases and environmental campaigns. 598 00:31:31,540 --> 00:31:34,740 When I first started doing my research, I became interested in, 599 00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:37,980 "Well, how many times do ships collide, do ships catch on fire?" 600 00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:40,460 The industry, they don't keep track of those things. 601 00:31:40,460 --> 00:31:43,140 If you go in and look at past incidents, 602 00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:46,940 you then have patterns that create a foreseeability. 603 00:31:46,940 --> 00:31:49,220 And if you have foreseeability, there's liability, 604 00:31:49,220 --> 00:31:50,700 and that's what they're afraid of. 605 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:52,980 The other part is that having accidents 606 00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:54,540 doesn't make them look good. 607 00:31:54,540 --> 00:31:57,740 So they want to, if possible, minimise these incidents 608 00:31:57,740 --> 00:32:00,100 or make them as invisible as possible. 609 00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:03,220 According to the data that he's collected over the last 30 years, 610 00:32:03,220 --> 00:32:07,540 95% of issues that passengers face won't be life threatening. 611 00:32:07,540 --> 00:32:09,660 But keeping a lid on these incidents 612 00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:12,780 certainly keeps the cruise industry looking good. 613 00:32:12,780 --> 00:32:15,620 But what about when a ship sinks? 614 00:32:15,620 --> 00:32:17,980 When I saw Costa Concordia accident on the news, 615 00:32:17,980 --> 00:32:20,340 I think it was just total shock. 616 00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:23,220 Tend to feel that it couldn't happen or shouldn't happen. 617 00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:25,780 So, actually, it was quite frightening. 618 00:32:25,780 --> 00:32:29,180 There's always this feeling of "there but for the grace of God". 619 00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:32,100 Costa Concordia shocked the world. 620 00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:35,340 The £317 million ship struck a rock, 621 00:32:35,340 --> 00:32:38,820 resulting in the death of 32 passengers and crew. 622 00:32:38,820 --> 00:32:42,100 I had friends on board. 623 00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:45,380 It was very sad, it's shocking. 624 00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:47,860 I think the Costa Concordia was really a one-off, 625 00:32:47,860 --> 00:32:49,420 and you'd have to think that, 626 00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:51,460 otherwise none of us would go cruising. 627 00:32:51,460 --> 00:32:55,020 And we move on, and that's certainly what some of the crew members 628 00:32:55,020 --> 00:32:57,380 and the entertainers that I knew on board have done. 629 00:32:57,380 --> 00:33:00,540 They've moved on and are still cruising... Still cruising. 630 00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:04,980 But whether it's workers' rights, environmental issues 631 00:33:04,980 --> 00:33:06,300 or health and safety, 632 00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:09,740 nothing seems to have dampened our appetite for cruising. 633 00:33:09,740 --> 00:33:12,940 In fact, the cruise operators have shrugged off disasters 634 00:33:12,940 --> 00:33:14,540 and PR nightmares so well 635 00:33:14,540 --> 00:33:19,540 that the industry has maintained its growth of 7% year after year, 636 00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:24,060 enticing ten million new passengers to cruise in the last ten years - 637 00:33:24,060 --> 00:33:26,300 and more passengers mean more ships. 638 00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:32,300 Take a look at this... It's the order book for new ships. 639 00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:36,540 There are billions and billions of pounds worth of ships on there. 640 00:33:37,620 --> 00:33:41,940 Around 150 ships have been ordered over the next seven years. 641 00:33:41,940 --> 00:33:44,300 That is incredible. 642 00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:47,540 Last year before the pandemic, around 30 million people 643 00:33:47,540 --> 00:33:49,380 hopped aboard a cruise ship, 644 00:33:49,380 --> 00:33:52,060 and, for the operators, there was only one way forward... 645 00:33:52,060 --> 00:33:53,900 ..expansion. 646 00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:56,700 What were projections like for the cruise industry? 647 00:33:57,860 --> 00:34:00,220 Well, they were pretty strong. 648 00:34:00,220 --> 00:34:05,340 They'd added ten million between 2000 and 2010, 649 00:34:05,340 --> 00:34:10,540 and they'd added another ten million between 2010 and 2020. 650 00:34:10,540 --> 00:34:14,500 And it seems very ambitious, and they expected to do that. 651 00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:17,940 But no analysts, no cruise captain and none of the operators 652 00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:20,420 saw what was on the horizon. 653 00:34:20,420 --> 00:34:23,380 Coming up, we look at the devastating effect the pandemic 654 00:34:23,380 --> 00:34:25,660 has had on the cruise industry. 655 00:34:25,660 --> 00:34:27,260 It's been a train wreck. 656 00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:30,740 It's etched in my mind, it really was a huge blow. 657 00:34:30,740 --> 00:34:33,100 I haven't worked since March. 658 00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:37,900 Annual profit of $1.9 billion for Royal Caribbean in 2019. 659 00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:42,580 I mean, that's turned into an annual loss of about a billion. 660 00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:44,500 But where does it go from here? 661 00:34:45,940 --> 00:34:48,660 Well, the future is going to be dicey. 662 00:34:48,660 --> 00:34:52,340 Is there a chance that the cruise industry could... 663 00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:54,300 ..go bust entirely? 664 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:57,620 Well, I must admit, there were times when I thought that. 665 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,520 We Brits love a cruise. 666 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,400 Last year, two million of us hopped 667 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,480 aboard a cruise ship, spending almost £3 billion. 668 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:23,320 In the UK alone, an estimated 80,000 people rely directly or indirectly 669 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,560 on the cruise industry for their livelihoods. 670 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,240 So when Covid hit, the impact was unimaginable. 671 00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:32,880 In February this year, 672 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,320 images of the Diamond Princess quarantined in Japan with 3,700 673 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,880 people on board shocked the world. 674 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,640 This was the beginning of a crisis that crippled the cruise industry. 675 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,000 And for thousands of crew stranded on ships when the pandemic 676 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,080 first hit, it was like being on a floating prison. 677 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,840 Nick and Kanner found themselves stuck on a ship that was quarantined 678 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,640 outside of Miami. 679 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,320 We were in a crew cabin, first. So, crew cabins, no windows, 680 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,760 the majority of them. Bunk beds, quite small, very small, you know. 681 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,160 As the extension of the quarantine was put in place, 682 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,840 we actually moved up to guest cabins, which was, you know, 683 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,240 fortunate for us, but not every crew member actually got to do that. 684 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:19,720 Some crew members had to spend 15 days in a crew cabin with no 685 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:23,360 windows... Yeah. ..no fresh air... No fresh air, no sunlight. 686 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,200 And you can't leave the cabin? 687 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,600 So how long in total were you in quarantine for? 688 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,800 We were stuck on a ship for... 70 days? Yeah, about 70 days. 689 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,040 And according to the International Maritime Organisation, 690 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,840 even now, there are still workers on board cruise ships 691 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,360 unable to get home. 692 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,920 Imagine you're being stuck in your office 693 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,840 for more than one year. 694 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,360 You cannot go home to be with your family. 695 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,800 Imagine the suffering, the pain. 696 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:02,600 We are seeing an increase of cases where my colleagues in the help line 697 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,840 will provide emotional support and counselling. 698 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,400 So I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. 699 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:16,320 It's being described as a humanitarian crisis. 700 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:23,200 And sea farers have become collateral victims of this pandemic. 701 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,600 And for those that rely on the cruise industry on land 702 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,520 in the UK, the effect on jobs and everyday life 703 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,800 has been catastrophic. 704 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,160 How did it affect you? 705 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,320 It's been a train wreck. It literally turn the taps off 706 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,640 on the cruise ships, trying to cancel cruises, 707 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,840 send people back home. 708 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,400 If you're a travel agent and you legally have to get them back, 709 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,200 so you have to pay for the cost of the flights. 710 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,640 It's cost me an absolute fortune. 711 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,760 I've been working in the travel industry for 25 years, 712 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,800 really until Covid hit. 713 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,520 And at that point, my heart was utterly broken because that saw 714 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,280 the end of my travel career and my cruising career as well. 715 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,080 All of a sudden, Boris said, "No more going anywhere. 716 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,600 "Corona is here, let's lock down." 717 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,320 And so I haven't been anywhere since March. 718 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,280 I haven't cruised since March. 719 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,800 I haven't worked since March. 720 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,600 I'm working 100 hours a week doing different things, delivering food, 721 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,960 delivering furniture, doing house removals. 722 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,920 It's one of those moments that I will remember forever. 723 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,480 It's etched in my mind. 724 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,560 It really was a huge blow, very devastating and actually 725 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,920 something that I haven't got over 726 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,920 and possibly won't for many years to come. 727 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,440 And the shutdown of the cruise industry has had a global impact. 728 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,600 Communities that rely on tourism brought in by the ships 729 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,400 have been floored by the pandemic. 730 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,720 What's the human cost of the pandemic 731 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:57,600 within the cruise industry? 732 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,040 A lot of the crew support their families with jobs 733 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,520 that they have on the ships. 734 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,000 So even a year off is going to make a big difference to them. 735 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:10,840 But the real cost is in the destinations which the ships go to. 736 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,960 It's the retail, it's the guides, it's, you know, the shops. 737 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,040 You know, if you're Egyptian, you know, living on the poverty line 738 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,840 when the ship comes in, it's how they live there in Asia and the 739 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,400 Indian subcontinent where the ships are being going in for years. 740 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,760 And there are businesses and people there and families 741 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,560 there that depend on it, and it's gone. 742 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,040 So knowing that there's all these people who should 743 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,560 have been working on a cruise ship and now, maybe, they'll be 744 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,320 struggling with their families, that part breaks my heart. 745 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,600 And there's no guarantee the cruise ships will be coming back 746 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,960 in the same way. 747 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,800 Meanwhile, there are 150 ships worth £60 billion on order 748 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,600 over the next seven years. 749 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,000 It's a monumental amount of debt and it's leveraged against the income 750 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,720 from 30 million passengers that simply aren't there. 751 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:05,160 Owning a cruise ship is a bit like owning a taxi. 752 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,440 The moment the taxi's in the garage, it's not making the owner 753 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,920 any money. 754 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,800 Only for cruise lines, the overheads are astronomical, 755 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,200 in fact, just having a cruise ship in dock in Southampton can cost 756 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:23,080 £50,000 a day, which is why so-called ghost ships now sit 757 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,200 off the coast waiting for the pandemic to pass. 758 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,600 But even being anchored up is a costly business. 759 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,560 A cruise ship needs to stay steady on the sea, so the engines 760 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,880 need to keep running and the crew maintain the ship ready 761 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,280 for if and when passengers come on board, 762 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,160 and none of this comes cheap. 763 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:48,240 Carnival alone is reportedly burning through $650 million US dollars 764 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,080 a month while its ships sit idle. 765 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:57,520 Just how devastating has Covid been for the cruise ship industry? 766 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,880 We've talked about, you know, annual profit of $1.9 billion 767 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,520 for Royal Caribbean in 2019. 768 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:11,120 That's turned into an annual loss of about a billion because of Covid. 769 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,440 The ships aren't moving. Between Royal Caribbean, Carnival and 770 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,640 Norwegian, they're haemorrhaging $1 billion a month. 771 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,360 In an attempt to stay afloat financially, cruise lines 772 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,880 are retiring ships from service earlier than planned, scrapping 773 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,200 ships before that time and finding any way they can to cut 774 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,600 down on their operational costs. 775 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,440 But without the ability to take passengers, some operators have gone 776 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,840 bust, while others are on the brink of bankruptcy. 777 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,320 So, what does the future hold for the cruise industry? 778 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,720 Well, the future is going to be dicey. 779 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:49,600 Largely because they can't offer the cruise product that they've always 780 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,200 offered under the old business model and still make money. 781 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,960 So I think in the next year, year and a half, 782 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,600 it's going to be a real question of, number one, whether a cruise 783 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,440 is safe, but also, what is a cruise going to be? 784 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,280 When you go ashore, are you going to be stuck in a bubble? 785 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,880 Given their past arrogance, and given their need 786 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,240 to make profit through onboard spending, 787 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,160 how they're going to do that effectively and have a product 788 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,280 that the consumer is going to be happy consuming. 789 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,920 Is there a chance that the cruise industry could... 790 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,640 ..go bust entirely? 791 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,760 Well, I must admit, there were times when I thought 792 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,040 that during the course of the year, when we could see no end to it. 793 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,560 Erm... I don't think so now. 794 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,520 I think if the vaccine is what we hope it's going to be... 795 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,680 I think there will be enough there for them to come back. 796 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,080 But, of course, some cruise lines have gone bust. 797 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,120 They hadn't the resources to hang on. 798 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,320 The big companies were very well resourced, 799 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,160 have been able to raise the money. 800 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,160 Erm, had enough friends out there who believe 801 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,480 that they will come back for them to enable them to do that. 802 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,920 And I think they will. 803 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,840 With 30 million people a year cruising, 804 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,200 I'm very, very confident they'll come back. 805 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,240 So you don't expect there to be some kind of Covid legacy 806 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:15,960 after all of this, you know, a fear of, you know, cruise ships 807 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,240 for being a hotbed for virus? 808 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:19,720 Absolutely not. 809 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:22,520 If you see some of those things are being talked about now in terms 810 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,880 of protection for the passengers, everybody being tested 811 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,200 before they board and crew being tested regularly, 812 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,720 social distancing ideas. 813 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,640 Social distancing measures on a cruise ship? 814 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,240 That's surely going to hit their bottom line? 815 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:40,760 Absolutely it will, they need about 50% of the passengers on board 816 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,400 to break even. 817 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,880 The Royal Caribbean have said that these big Oasis class ships 818 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,640 can break even at 30%. 819 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,280 If we can just break even in 2021, that will be fine, 820 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,360 everybody will be happy and we'll get back to normal 821 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,720 in 2022, I believe. 822 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:59,440 Operators like Royal Caribbean are already offering 823 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,120 scaled-back cruises in and out of the same port with no stop-offs, 824 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,680 to test their Covid protocols. 825 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,240 When cruising does start up full operations again, you can expect 826 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:12,520 face masks and Covid tests for everyone on board. 827 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,200 Much stricter rules when you go ashore. 828 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,600 And it's bye-bye to the buffet and hello, plated dining. 829 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,160 With all the protocols they're putting in place, 830 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,520 all the cleaning, all the testing which will be in place 831 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,040 before you get on there, I believe it will be the safest place 832 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,240 that you could actually be. 833 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,840 Oh, this is so much fun, the surfing simulator. 834 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,320 I'm definitely type of the type of person to see how everybody else 835 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,680 does before I will jump on board. 836 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,520 So I probably won't be the first, but I know I won't be the last 837 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,520 to get back on a cruise ship. 838 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,880 The pandemic hasn't changed the way I feel about cruising. 839 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,680 If somebody called me today and said, "There's a cruise, 840 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,680 "fly this afternoon," I would go. 841 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,040 I would definitely go, 1,000%. 842 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,960 I would happily accept the protocols and what I needed to do to keep 843 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,360 myself and other passengers safe. 844 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,880 I just miss it so much and I cannot wait to get the opportunity 845 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,760 to go back on a cruise again. 846 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,760 I think that the health and safety of everybody on board, 847 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,280 crew and passengers will be at highest level. 848 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,320 It certainly hasn't put me off. 849 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,840 I'll be happy to go on a cruise. 850 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,880 My first one is booked for April. 851 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,240 Fingers crossed, I'm getting on board. 852 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,200 It's been too long. 853 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,400 I haven't gone this long without a cruise for 20, 30 years. 854 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,040 So we're obviously a little sad that we're not going cruising. 855 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,320 And in fact, we should be cruising as of tomorrow, 856 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,680 flying out today to Athens. 857 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,960 But fortunately, we have a narrow boat... 858 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,160 ..and, well, I'm Hazel's butler... 859 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,760 ..and the deckhand. 860 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,080 Hazel is the hotel manager and... 861 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:51,400 ..entertainment and, of course, the captain. 862 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,800 So we've got it sorted. 863 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,880 There are still so many unanswered questions about the future 864 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,160 of the cruise lines, that it's anyone's guess 865 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,120 how and when they'll start up again. 866 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,160 But one thing is for certain... 867 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,720 ..there is a legion of cruise lovers that can't wait 868 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:12,360 to get back on board when and if the ships start cruising again. 869 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,440 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 74602

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