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Welcome to today's session.
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We're going to do things a little bit differently for the next couple of sessions.
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I'm going to interview some projection mappers from around the world about how they got
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into projection map in what kind of work they make and any advice they can give you guys
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during your projection mapping journey.
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Today we're talking to just ballistic.
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Jasper is based in Amsterdam,
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and he's a projection map for a musician.
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Let's have a listen to the interview.
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I'm,
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ah,
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live in Amsterdam or near Amsterdam.
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Yeah,
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well,
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so what time is it?
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Where you are is a 8 p.m. Let me check it.
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Snow 10.
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One hour in front of medium.
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Yeah.
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You're in England.
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Stand,
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I guess.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I mean,
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I mean the UK.
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So whereabouts in the UK I'm in Yorkshire.
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So just outside of Leeds.
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Oh,
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yeah.
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Awesome.
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Yeah.
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So that's a pretty pretty lift yourself.
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You've got behind you.
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Yeah,
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it's,
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uh,
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my modular system.
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I uses a lot as well for ah,
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for visuals,
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but also for ah,
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music composition and sure,
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my quarantine project basically Okay.
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Okay.
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Pretty dapper,
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rev.
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It'll sure,
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Sure.
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Well,
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let's dive in there.
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So just what Can you tell me a little bit about who you are then and what you do?
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Yeah,
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sure.
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Um,
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so,
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yeah,
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obviously my name is Jess,
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for I grew up in the in the Netherlands.
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I started working around Ah,
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or studies around 12 years ago.
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Ah,
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sounding audio engineering in Amsterdam on started volunteering in a variety of clubs in
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his area and already back then there was this Ah,
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or at least the owners of the club's wanted.
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If you were interested that you would do both sounds and light,
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which back then I was like,
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Sure,
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I can do both.
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Um,
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I ended up not being able to do both,
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but,
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uh,
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but then I got more and more into ah ah,
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the visual aspect self of parties,
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but also the creative aspect off creating visuals,
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um,
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and working with projectors.
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I spent four years then in Frank,
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overworking for Clark's media audiovisual big company.
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Ah,
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in Canada on,
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we would do ah,
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lot of projection met things on ah buildings in the public space that was very focused
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towards either,
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uh,
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corporate interests and and,
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um needs and and ah,
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marketing purposes.
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Andi,
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Um,
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when I came back to to Amsterdam,
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I kind of continued doing this.
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This projection mapping is in the public space.
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Only more towards the creative sites creates ah,
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political awareness around certain subjects.
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Ah,
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Grilli.
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A style going with,
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ah,
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generator and ah,
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big projector to whatever building I could find in the city and just project on it.
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Sure.
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So,
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uh,
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I've been doing this for the last,
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ah,
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couple of years.
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Ah,
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with a group of friends in in and around Amsterdam.
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And,
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um,
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obviously I'm really into music.
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So I was for last few years,
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been trying to find ah,
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1 to 1,
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a combination between sounds and visuals.
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Because whenever I was doing visuals in a club,
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I was most of the times one step behind,
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or I wanted to have something happening every time there was a snare hit or whatever.
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And with a modular system and connecting this shortly sending media outputs,
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I can do it once a one and there is no Layton.
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See,
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So that's what I'm learning and discovering now.
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Um,
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but work dried up here while everywhere.
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Actually,
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eso I'm reinventing myself.
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Ah,
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little bits and I know do a lot of projection MEP ings for the retail business,
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right?
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So from from restaurants just projecting their their menus whenever they launch a new menu
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But also in the shopping streets I project on ah,
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dresses or new clothes or guards when they're released stuff like this.
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And it's not particularly my interest,
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but yeah,
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I need to make ends meet.
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So sure,
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and I think project from happens.
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One of those really interesting kind of hybrid art forms where you can you can have can
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high art.
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But also you can commercialize that.
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Make money from it as well.
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Yeah,
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yeah,
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Andi,
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I think it's a logical results off growing up in kind of a digital age.
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We have way more tools at our disposal to be creative.
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People do spend a lot of time in the virtual space on their computers,
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and there's a lot of tools for us to be creative on on a computer.
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And maybe,
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like 5 to 10 years ago,
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a lot of people,
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for example,
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my parents would look down on this and say,
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like,
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you shouldn't spend so much time on their just go outside play or make a drawing or
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whatever.
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Yeah,
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I was already doing that inside of a computer.
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And yeah,
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now it's getting warm or accept it.
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And also,
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uh,
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yeah,
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you can make a living from it,
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which,
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which is really interesting.
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yeah.
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No,
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no,
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absolutely.
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Eso.
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So what software do you use when you're mapping,
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then,
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um,
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yeah,
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I started off using Ah,
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for example,
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Blender Andi Cinema 14.
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Because I was ah,
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complete Novaes That would recreate everything by the centimeter,
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what's in the physical space?
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And then I didn't understand anything from cameras and focal legs.
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So I would just position a camera where my actual Beamer was.
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But yeah,
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and I ended up using resolute to,
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um,
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project everything and to do the final touches.
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Um,
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And nowadays,
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I'm primarily using Resolute in combination with Dutch designer.
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Yeah,
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I'm discovering s moats at the moment.
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That's what I'm getting into.
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Ah,
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a little bit now.
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yeah.
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Sure,
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sure.
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So I I am I've played with Resolute on.
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I've not quite got my head around it yet,
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so I'm using Madame Mata.
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Um yeah,
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and I want my bucket list.
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Yeah,
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well,
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mad napper was the reason I use it.
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It was a friend of mine who I learned projection mapping from initially used it.
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So is one of those wonderful things of the first person I encountered using projection
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mapping used this software so I can have immediate was drawn to learn that software really
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know it's on my bucket list and I've experimented with them Software court heavy em as well
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which is really interesting because,
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you know,
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it's really intuitive and it's really simple,
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and you get really interesting results quite quickly.
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But it's also very limiting.
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I also like this that there is no more and more of a variety off.
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So for software,
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which you can create stuff and not only for projection mapping,
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but,
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um,
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I think it becomes,
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at least for me,
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becomes interesting when you try to ah either combine or because every piece of suffer,
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more or less has its,
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um,
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pros and cons basically on,
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for example,
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touch designers really abstracts,
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and it's it's hard to get anything that resembles any thing we actually know from the real
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world.
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But if you combine that into two,
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resolute for example,
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is where is what I do?
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It's easier to gets.
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Very lush images.
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Which Yeah,
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yeah,
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yeah.
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With Matt map.
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Really as well.
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It's Ah,
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mapping three D objects.
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Becomes way,
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way easier than,
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for example,
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with with that's designer.
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Yeah,
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I've started learning,
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touched his honor this year,
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and I've just got my head around the know based system.
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So I'm I I started.
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My career is is a filmmaker,
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so I still make lots of film on bond.
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I switched from Adobe to Divinity Resolve this year,
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which is no based on.
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Actually,
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I gave me really good grounding to start linen touches on because I instantly understood
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the interface.
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Yeah,
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when I was previously trying to learn it last year,
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it just kind of I was really struggling with can of Green from a linear based edit,
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insistent to a note based design.
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Susan And but I think it's definitely worth people.
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Kind of learning more than one one propriety software.
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Really?
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He just makes it adaptable,
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doesn't it?
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I did.
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The other side is as well.
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Um,
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if if you know a little bit of a lots,
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then still you don't know quite quite much.
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So it's good to just spend your time with one piece of software and really seeing where the
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limits and boundaries are.
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And from that you'll figure out like,
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Okay,
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this is what I'm missing.
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This is what I need.
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And then you'll progress into two different pieces.
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So where that by,
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uh,
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complimented.
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Yeah,
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I know.
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And he,
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uh I check if I have his hair.
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Should have books.
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A friend of mine dropped off this Ah,
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piece of gear.
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Um,
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that was kickstart.
300
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It's a year ago to see if we could sell it.
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Let me forgetting the name but eso we were seeing how we could this place just like form.
302
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Yeah,
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this is like for Yeah,
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I haven't Okay.
305
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Yeah.
306
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So I've been playing around tweeted for for two days now,
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and I am deeply disappointed,
308
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but also pleasantly surprised,
309
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but And you have some some creative skills with ah with,
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for example,
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with the after effects,
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then,
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yeah,
314
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you can really make awesome things in it.
315
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And especially for retail core businesses.
316
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This room that's this.
317
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Why did you absolutely summed up my experience with it as well?
318
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I was so excited when I saw the Kickstarter on I immediately kind of But I got the second
319
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wave,
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not the first wave,
321
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and it came in crazy.
322
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It came maybe six months ago.
323
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I was so excited Was like Christmas.
324
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And then I kind of opened it.
325
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Play with it within Canada cult of hours.
326
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I was going.
327
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Oh,
328
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it's not what I thought he waas Uh,
329
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yes.
330
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Interesting.
331
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I mean,
332
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it feels like almost like a how to kit for me.
333
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Yeah,
334
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yeah,
335
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in that same definitely.
336
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So if what advice would you give to anybody that wanted to kind of get into projection
337
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mapping?
338
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Um oh,
339
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that's ah,
340
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tough question,
341
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because for me,
342
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I have experienced a lot of people that that are into either VJ ing or projection mapping
343
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with with a variety of reasons.
344
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Um,
345
00:11:42,550 --> 00:11:48,060
and it depends if you want to do it artistically or you're really looking to make money.
346
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Um,
347
00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:53,550
and I think both or the combination are is actually very feasible.
348
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Um,
349
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Andi,
350
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Um,
351
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I would say less is more,
352
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especially in the beginning.
353
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Don't try to if you have,
354
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for example,
355
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a Beemer on the building.
356
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Don't try to fill in the whole building.
357
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Try toe accentuates what is already there.
358
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Yeah.
359
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Um and slowly go from there.
360
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Sure,
361
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because you're at least I I'm never trying to re create a new world.
362
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I'm always trying to make What,
363
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is there a little bit more interesting?
364
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Um,
365
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but if yeah,
366
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I I've seen people doing It's here in the form.
367
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Off protests and demonstration,
368
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for example,
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Randall black lives,
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matter,
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protesters,
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people that go with their projectors and shine on police buildings or projecting police
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buildings.
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Andi,
375
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it gains a lot of attention.
376
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So I think it's good to Teoh.
377
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See what's what's happening in the world around you and whatever interest you and take that
378
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as,
379
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ah,
380
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as a source of inspiration.
381
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Yeah.
382
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Yeah.
383
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And,
384
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yeah.
385
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Used to public space to do make people aware what projection mapping is Because most people
386
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are still clueless about this because you find it in clubs and yeah,
387
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maybe at some art shows or galleries.
388
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Yeah,
389
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um,
390
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on dear isn't Ah,
391
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a lot of,
392
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um Well,
393
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there's YouTube,
394
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of course,
395
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but the source of injury information is still pretty scarce.
396
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And I think it's on what I did.
397
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For example,
398
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like learning cinema for D.
399
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I.
400
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I was watching videos on the Internet and just redoing every step I was seeing and wasn't
401
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particularly my interest,
402
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But it did end up giving me a lot of knowledge that I right,
403
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you know,
404
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you school later on.
405
00:14:00,310 --> 00:14:00,590
Yeah,
406
00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:00,860
yeah,
407
00:14:00,860 --> 00:14:01,050
yeah,
408
00:14:01,050 --> 00:14:01,630
sure.
409
00:14:01,630 --> 00:14:02,660
And actually doing that.
410
00:14:02,660 --> 00:14:05,810
That's why I've done this beginners guy to match up the course.
411
00:14:05,810 --> 00:14:06,080
Really?
412
00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,850
Because when I was learning,
413
00:14:07,850 --> 00:14:08,320
like,
414
00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,250
the videos,
415
00:14:09,250 --> 00:14:11,420
that they're so bad and they're so robotic.
416
00:14:11,420 --> 00:14:12,260
Yeah,
417
00:14:12,260 --> 00:14:15,440
that you just kind of go like this is driving me insane.
418
00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,740
I just need somebody kind of in plain language just to say to me,
419
00:14:18,740 --> 00:14:19,150
Oh,
420
00:14:19,150 --> 00:14:20,280
that's what an asset is.
421
00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:20,480
Oh,
422
00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:21,540
that's what Quite iso.
423
00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:25,080
That's how that's how I connect that to the beats per minute.
424
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No,
425
00:14:25,580 --> 00:14:26,910
Andi,
426
00:14:26,910 --> 00:14:27,280
Yeah,
427
00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,240
that's amazing that they're doing this and it's really necessary.
428
00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,800
It's a It's a bit like how we used to learn,
429
00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:33,440
for example,
430
00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:38,460
carpentry and decades ago you would go with somebody and he would tell you step by step
431
00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:41,060
like I'm doing this for this reason on,
432
00:14:41,060 --> 00:14:42,750
now you can have it in the virtual space,
433
00:14:42,750 --> 00:14:43,300
but it yeah,
434
00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:46,150
it's basically the same thing that that you need and,
435
00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:47,370
you know,
436
00:14:47,370 --> 00:14:47,900
Yeah,
437
00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:48,550
absolutely.
438
00:14:48,550 --> 00:14:51,150
And so I guess I just have one final question.
439
00:14:51,150 --> 00:14:54,840
Just really eso kind of What projects are you most proud of them?
440
00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:55,250
Why?
441
00:14:55,250 --> 00:14:56,670
Who?
442
00:14:56,670 --> 00:14:58,050
Um,
443
00:14:58,050 --> 00:15:01,640
that's also a tough one.
444
00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,350
Um,
445
00:15:03,350 --> 00:15:05,550
because,
446
00:15:05,550 --> 00:15:07,550
um,
447
00:15:07,550 --> 00:15:09,840
I think it's to fault.
448
00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,130
Um,
449
00:15:11,130 --> 00:15:17,660
I think my proudest moment was a few weeks ago when I finally got my mother system working
450
00:15:17,660 --> 00:15:22,250
with Dutch designer wants one because that that's what I've been looking for.
451
00:15:22,250 --> 00:15:26,080
We're so long and then it works and it happens.
452
00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:26,640
And then I'm like,
453
00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:26,850
Ah,
454
00:15:26,850 --> 00:15:27,230
fuck,
455
00:15:27,230 --> 00:15:28,690
this is magic.
456
00:15:28,690 --> 00:15:29,470
And,
457
00:15:29,470 --> 00:15:32,300
um but that's just ah,
458
00:15:32,300 --> 00:15:34,100
personal goal.
459
00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:35,010
And I think,
460
00:15:35,010 --> 00:15:35,950
um,
461
00:15:35,950 --> 00:15:40,110
the one of my best moments,
462
00:15:40,110 --> 00:15:45,150
I guess waas um around one.
463
00:15:45,150 --> 00:15:47,450
Ah,
464
00:15:47,450 --> 00:15:48,190
yeah,
465
00:15:48,190 --> 00:15:49,070
one year ago,
466
00:15:49,070 --> 00:15:54,430
when we were doing ah projection on the ah,
467
00:15:54,430 --> 00:16:02,530
the central station in Amsterdam on we were flashing or showing videos off.
468
00:16:02,530 --> 00:16:03,550
Um,
469
00:16:03,550 --> 00:16:09,410
there was this demonstration in the north off the US regarding ah,
470
00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:15,190
pipeline that was being made and we were projecting basically what was going on there and a
471
00:16:15,190 --> 00:16:17,150
little bit of the history of ah,
472
00:16:17,150 --> 00:16:21,340
the Donald Trump in the US and ah,
473
00:16:21,340 --> 00:16:22,510
the some.
474
00:16:22,510 --> 00:16:23,810
Some comes with Children,
475
00:16:23,810 --> 00:16:24,280
etcetera,
476
00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:25,850
and I won't get too political,
477
00:16:25,850 --> 00:16:29,310
but we we were projecting this the police.
478
00:16:29,310 --> 00:16:30,670
Ah,
479
00:16:30,670 --> 00:16:33,010
you asked us to stop doing this.
480
00:16:33,010 --> 00:16:34,660
And the public sets like no way.
481
00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:39,710
We we want to watch and we ended up having a few 100 people watching it.
482
00:16:39,710 --> 00:16:42,890
And in this way we created awareness.
483
00:16:42,890 --> 00:16:47,640
And I think this is showed me how powerful of a tool.
484
00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,010
Ah,
485
00:16:49,010 --> 00:16:49,660
it can be.
486
00:16:49,660 --> 00:16:50,460
And yeah,
487
00:16:50,460 --> 00:16:52,060
it's It's also useful for that.
488
00:16:52,060 --> 00:16:52,460
Yeah,
489
00:16:52,460 --> 00:16:53,230
yeah,
490
00:16:53,230 --> 00:16:57,290
and I think that's also one of the amazing things for me about projection mapping is there
491
00:16:57,290 --> 00:16:59,220
isn't just one way to do it now.
492
00:16:59,220 --> 00:16:59,530
It's about,
493
00:16:59,530 --> 00:17:00,330
like you said earlier,
494
00:17:00,330 --> 00:17:02,780
finding your interest kind of discipline,
495
00:17:02,780 --> 00:17:03,970
that and it might be political.
496
00:17:03,970 --> 00:17:04,830
It might be for the art,
497
00:17:04,830 --> 00:17:06,450
or it might even just be commercial.
498
00:17:06,450 --> 00:17:07,580
Actually,
499
00:17:07,580 --> 00:17:12,870
it's using kind of this this projection at beneath us to kind of t relate on a thing that's
500
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:15,210
really great with painting.
501
00:17:15,210 --> 00:17:18,660
You're limited to the canvas you haven't with projection mapping.
502
00:17:18,660 --> 00:17:21,680
You're limited to the objects in the world around you,
503
00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:22,500
which Yeah,
504
00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:22,740
there,
505
00:17:22,740 --> 00:17:22,980
there,
506
00:17:22,980 --> 00:17:24,920
so many untouched things.
507
00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,430
It's like a harm harmless form off.
508
00:17:27,430 --> 00:17:27,850
Uh,
509
00:17:27,850 --> 00:17:29,170
graffiti.
510
00:17:29,170 --> 00:17:30,200
Yeah,
511
00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:30,770
I get it.
512
00:17:30,770 --> 00:17:32,010
And then finally how Canada,
513
00:17:32,010 --> 00:17:33,690
Where can people check out your workout?
514
00:17:33,690 --> 00:17:34,850
Welcome people connect with you.
515
00:17:34,850 --> 00:17:36,170
Well,
516
00:17:36,170 --> 00:17:37,830
I'm mostly from my music.
517
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:39,050
I'm on some clothes.
518
00:17:39,050 --> 00:17:39,310
Yeah,
519
00:17:39,310 --> 00:17:42,900
and we're launching a new ah page for,
520
00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:43,970
um,
521
00:17:43,970 --> 00:17:48,850
are commercial side of things which is called Glitter for products.
522
00:17:48,850 --> 00:17:49,830
Ah,
523
00:17:49,830 --> 00:17:53,310
but that's really focused on businesses.
524
00:17:53,310 --> 00:17:54,870
So that might,
525
00:17:54,870 --> 00:17:57,660
for a creative person be not that interesting.
526
00:17:57,660 --> 00:17:59,170
Um,
527
00:17:59,170 --> 00:18:03,820
And for in regard to combining mother with Dutch designer,
528
00:18:03,820 --> 00:18:07,110
I'm still figuring it out.
529
00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:09,560
Not going to publish anything yet.
530
00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,240
Oh,
531
00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,830
on DWI met on social media,
532
00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:15,780
and we found the projection map in Ramadi.
533
00:18:15,780 --> 00:18:17,660
I'm also quite active.
534
00:18:17,660 --> 00:18:20,070
There s So I'm anything happens?
535
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:20,930
Yeah.
536
00:18:20,930 --> 00:18:24,760
So people could kind of request to join that and have conversations with you and so on.
537
00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:25,550
Of course.
538
00:18:25,550 --> 00:18:26,130
Yeah.
539
00:18:26,130 --> 00:18:26,710
Perfect.
540
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:28,530
Just thank you so much for your time.
541
00:18:28,530 --> 00:18:29,580
I really appreciate it.
542
00:18:29,580 --> 00:18:30,270
My pleasure.
543
00:18:30,270 --> 00:18:32,190
Here's I Thank you.
544
00:18:32,190 --> 00:18:33,140
What you're doing.
545
00:18:33,140 --> 00:18:33,390
Oh,
546
00:18:33,390 --> 00:18:34,130
thank you.
547
00:18:34,130 --> 00:18:34,660
Thank you.
548
00:18:34,660 --> 00:18:36,550
And I'm sure I'll speak to you very soon.
549
00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:39,020
Here's taking evening.
550
00:18:39,020 --> 00:18:39,660
You too.
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