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When ships are
in the middle of the ocean...
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...where problems occur...
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they can throw you overboard
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into the sea.
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It is dangerous for you
to make this documentary.
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There are many risks.
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If you're scared of dying, go home.
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My name is Ali.
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That's me.
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And for as long as I can remember,
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I've been fascinated
with dolphins and whales.
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My obsession with the ocean, though,
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was really born
out of watching documentaries
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from people like Jacques Cousteau,
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David Attenborough, and Sylvia Earle.
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Watching their films opened up
a whole new world for me,
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filled with an abundance of beauty,
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color, and life.
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I would dream of one day exploring
our thriving seas
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just like they did.
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Capturing images
of all the extraordinary wildlife
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that lived beneath the waves.
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After finishing college,
I'd been working on other documentaries,
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but at 22, I was ready
to embark on making my own film
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on just how incredible the oceans were.
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It's home for up to 80%
of all life on Earth.
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And with the vast majority of our seas
still unexplored till this day,
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for me, the oceans were
an indestructible source of inspiration.
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But not long into starting the project,
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this romantic vision that I always had
of the ocean completely changed.
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...beached whale found
off the country's coast earlier this week
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had more than 30 plastic bags
inside its stomach.
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It's the 29th whale of this
species to become stranded across Europe
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in the last two weeks.
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This represents the largest
stranding episode in the last 100 years.
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- ...washed up on a beach...
- In the UK, 4 others died
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in a number of beachings nearby
in recent days...
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When news started coming in
of whales washing up on beaches,
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even along the Southeast coast
of England where I lived,
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I was forced to confront
a side of the story I never knew.
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A story of just how huge our impact
on the seas had become.
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These animals washing up
with their stomachs filled with plastic
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was devastating not only
because of their incredible intelligence,
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but because they even help
keep the entire ocean alive.
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When dolphins and whales
return to the surface to breathe,
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they fertilize tiny marine plants
in the ocean called phytoplankton,
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which every year absorb four times
the amount of carbon dioxide
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than the Amazon rain forest does,
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and generates up to 85%
of the oxygen we breathe.
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So in a world concerned with carbon
and climate change,
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protecting these animals
meant protecting the entire planet.
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The way I saw it was
if dolphins and whales die,
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the ocean dies.
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And if the ocean dies, so do we.
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But with so many whales washing up dead,
the future looked bleak.
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Plastic was invading every last corner
of the world's seas,
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with huge floating garbage patches
accumulating in the middle of the ocean,
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like the Great Pacific Garbage Patch.
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In fact, today,
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the equivalent
of a garbage truckload of plastic
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is dumped in the sea every single minute,
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joining the over 150 million tons
already floating there.
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But this plastic breaks down into smaller
and smaller pieces known as microplastics,
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which now outnumber the stars
in the Milky Way galaxy
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by at least 500 times,
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and is seeping into every living creature
in the ocean.
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Essentially, our oceans
have turned into a toxic plastic soup.
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And worst of all,
I was a massive part of the problem.
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Although I signed petitions
and subscribed to ocean newsletters,
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I did nothing to actually protect
what I loved.
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So from then on,
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I did what any self-respecting
Jacques Cousteau wannabe would do.
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I became the plastic police.
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I donated to every ocean charity I could.
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Attended beach cleanups,
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and carried reusable cutlery
and a drink bottle wherever I went.
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My mission was simple.
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Stop the world from using
plastic toothbrushes,
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straws, cutlery, bottles, bags,
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or anything single-use plastic.
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And I was gonna stop at nothing
until my message was heard.
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Seaside Fish and Chips.
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Yeah, hi. My name's Ali.
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I'm just wondering
if you'd swap out your plastic straws
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'cause it's killing whales
and baby sea turtles.
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Hello?
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But that didn't stop me
from tackling this plague of plastic.
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So, this is my first beach.
In just one hour,
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I've been able to collect
three whole bags full of plastic trash.
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There's takeaway food packaging,
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there's cutlery, there's straws,
there's everything.
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I even found Nemo.
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Onto the next beach.
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But no matter what beach I went to
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or how much I collected,
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there was always more plastic,
and more animals washing up.
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After months of this,
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and as I began to wonder if this really
was the best way to save marine life,
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I came across this.
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Japan has confirmed it will resume
commercial whale hunting,
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and is withdrawing from
the International Whaling Commission.
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The country's whaling fleet
set sail for the Antarctic last Tuesday.
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Tokyo says it plans to kill
despite a worldwide ban.
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So, this is the news
I woke up to today.
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The Japanese government want to
resume whaling in the Antarctic again.
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I knew that dolphins and whales
were dying accidentally from plastic,
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but I never dreamed
that they'd be targeted on purpose
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by an industry I thought
only existed in the history books.
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I did some research and found there's been
an international whaling ban since 1986.
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However, several countries have operated
under the radar for years,
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most notoriously, though, is Japan.
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Logistically, it was extremely challenging
to film or do anything
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about the whaling in Antarctica.
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But I found there was one place
in the south of Japan
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where this industry could still be seen
operating from the coast,
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in a place called Taiji,
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where each year over 700 dolphins
and small whales are herded into a cove
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for slaughter.
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I wanted to find out
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just how big of a threat
Japan's whaling practices were
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compared to plastic.
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So I set up a meeting
with one of the few activists
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who'd been involved in this issue
for years, a guy named Ric O'Barry.
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The Japanese government
go through a lot of trouble
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to make sure
that people don't know about this.
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If you went there,
and you didn't know what you were doing,
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you could get arrested,
and you could be in jail a very long time.
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Because they're trying
to get rid of people
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who are opposed to their war on dolphins.
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When you first show up in Taiji,
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immediately, the police are on you.
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They're at your hotel.
They're following you everywhere you go.
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You got the Yakuza,
you got the right wing,
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you got the government, the fishermen,
you got everybody against you.
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The room is bugged,
the telephone is bugged.
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The television
is actually photographing you
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while you're in your room.
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So you ask what, how...
What happens when you go to Taiji?
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Just know that all of those people
are watching you,
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and they are trying to figure out,
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"How do we take these people out?"
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But if it's so risky to go,
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and there are other issues
affecting the entire ocean,
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like plastic washing up everywhere,
then why go to Taiji?
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Showing up in Taiji with a camera
is extremely important.
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If we can't fix this,
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what are you talking about,
saving the ocean?
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How can you do that?
You can't even fix this.
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This is the size of a football field.
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My head was still
filled with questions,
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but with the dolphin hunt just starting,
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I knew that figuring out
what was going on in Taiji
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would give me a better understanding
of the bigger picture
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of how to save the ocean.
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Either I stayed home picking up trash
on beaches all day,
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or take a risk and find out
if there was a bigger threat to the sea.
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So I dropped all my other projects,
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packed my camera bags,
convinced my partner Lucy to join me,
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and with the mission to expose
what was truly happening to our oceans,
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got the next flight out to Japan.
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Where are you going today?
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Oh, we just arrived.
We're just visiting the area.
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- Holiday?
- Holiday. Yeah.
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Drive safe.
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Thank you.
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What the hell?
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From that point on,
we had an entourage of police,
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secret service, undercover cops,
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and the coast guard
following us everywhere.
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Is it the police?
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Yeah, they're out there.
Let's go out the back.
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So, arrived in Taiji,
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and first thing in the morning,
decided to head to the harbor.
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Pretty quickly,
boats start heading out to sea.
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There was about 13 of them in total,
and they were gone for several hours.
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When they returned,
they returned in formation
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and were billowing black smoke
from their exhaust pipes.
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And banging on poles in the water
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to try and scare a huge pod of dolphins
closer to land,
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and then maneuver them into a cove
where I'm standing above right now.
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It's impossible to see exactly
what's going on.
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There's a lot of splashing.
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There's people down there
wrestling these dolphins.
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Whatever is going on,
they don't want us filming.
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Police are trying to search for us.
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It's really tough conditions
to try and film this stuff.
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The Taiji dolphin drives
continue to be supported,
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underwritten, funded by
the marine park entertainment industry.
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A live dolphin really is very expensive.
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And so,
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the big ticket is catching
young dolphins and whales,
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and selling them to marine parks.
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What captivity in concrete tanks does
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is it takes away everything
that makes life worth living for them.
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Everything they need to do, they can't do.
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And everything they don't want to do,
they're forced to do.
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I had enjoyed going to these
marine parks my whole life,
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but never even questioned how the animals
got there in the first place.
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But now, knowing it was connected
to industries like whaling
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made me pledge
to never go to these parks again.
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But every day in Taiji
was like Groundhog Day,
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witnessing boats go out,
dolphins driven in,
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and the inevitable capture
and mass slaughter of the pod
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again, and again, and again.
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Before we knew it,
we'd been in Taiji for over a week,
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but still couldn't figure out
why on Earth they were killing them,
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since dead dolphins don't perform tricks.
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Lucy, show me again
what you just found out.
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I've just been doing the maths
from the data online,
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and from 2000 to 2015,
for every one dolphin captured,
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at least 12 more were killed.
It doesn't make any sense.
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I don't know why they're killing
all these dolphins.
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So, if the annual Taiji dolphin drive
is fueled by the captivity industry,
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it begs the question,
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"Why kill the dolphins
that aren't selected for captivity?"
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There's very little reason
to slaughter them.
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There's no market for dolphin meat.
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Why not just release them
back into the sea?
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And the answer to that question
is pest control.
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The fishermen view the dolphins
as competition.
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They feel that they eat too many fish,
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and if they get rid of the dolphins,
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there will be more fish available
for them to catch.
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Essentially, the slaughter
of these dolphins is a reaction
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to the overfishing
that's happening here in Taiji.
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If this was true, that dolphins were
being blamed for the overfishing,
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then boycotting marine parks
wasn't gonna stop this.
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So to find out more,
we decided to visit a local fishing port
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just a stone's throw from Taiji.
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However, upon arrival, we quickly learned
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this wasn't just any fishing port.
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Ali. Ali, what is it?
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This is just tuna.
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This is the tuna industry.
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We had just stumbled across one
of the largest tuna ports in the world,
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which landed bluefin tuna,
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the most expensive fish on the planet.
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Just one of these fish sold
in Tokyo's fish market
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for over three million dollars.
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I had read about these fish.
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They were like the cheetahs of the ocean,
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warm-blooded,
and can accelerate faster than a Ferrari.
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But due to high prices, the only direction
they were accelerating in
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was into extinction.
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Today, less than 3%
of the species remain.
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They were once thriving just decades ago.
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It's not just bluefin though,
it's all tuna.
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There's everything here.
This is sold around the world.
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This is a $42-billion-a-year industry.
And it's at threat from overfishing.
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Of course they're gonna
blame the dolphins.
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The excuse of killing dolphins
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for the crime of eating too many fish
was a lie.
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In reality,
what they were doing was killing dolphins
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as a scapegoat for the overfishing.
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That way,
they can continue participating
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in the multibillion-dollar tuna industry,
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and wash off
any ecological responsibility.
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I learned one of
the world's largest tuna companies
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belonged to Mitsubishi,
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who control 40%
of the world's endangered bluefin.
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Since they were based in Japan,
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we surprised them
by showing up at their head office.
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I was wondering
if we could do a quick interview.
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We have questions about why your company
is wiping out an endangered species,
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and how that's connected
to killing dolphins.
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- Our company refused, so...
- Yeah.
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Your company refuses all interviews?
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Yes, all interviews.
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We're asked to turn our cameras off,
and leave immediately.
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Back at the fishing port,
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I noticed that tuna weren't the only
highly-prized species they were landing.
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Sharks were everywhere,
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and they were all having their fins
sliced off.
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Turn off the video!
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Shut!
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- Camera shut!
- Why don't you want me filming?
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The shark-finning industry
is a multi-billion dollar industry
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and is oftentimes
heavily criminally involved
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and Mafia-esque run.
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They don't want people
with cameras sniffing around
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because they don't wanna get exposed
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for all of the shady things that they do.
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So sharks around the world
are being killed for their fins.
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These fins are being shipped to Asia,
and predominantly China,
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for shark fin soup,
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which is held as a status symbol.
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It has no nutritional benefits,
it really doesn't taste like much,
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and it can cost anywhere upwards
of $100 a bowl.
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Seeing so many sharks finned,
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and being kicked out of the port
just for filming,
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only made me want to learn more.
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Since we had discovered all we could
about dolphin hunting in Taiji,
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we decided to follow the shark story
to try and understand what impact
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this industry was having
on the world's oceans.
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Just a hop over the ocean from Japan
is Hong Kong,
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otherwise known as Shark Fin City.
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We arrived to find streets
filled with shark fins,
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and huge quantities being offloaded
from trucks on every corner.
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We tried to film the fins up close,
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but were met
with the same response as before.
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Go, go! No, no!
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We can't film?
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Are you gonna hit me with a chair?
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All right, we're going.
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- No photography?
- No.
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- Why? Why you are filming?
- Huh?
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Why you are taking the photo?
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You didn't get any permission.
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Delete the photo.
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Delete first.
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Hey, hey, hey!
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Filming in Shark Fin City
was proving harder than we thought.
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So in order to see these fins up close,
we got ourselves some spy cameras.
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Wow.
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I used to be scared of sharks as a kid.
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People should not be afraid
of having sharks in the ocean.
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They should be afraid
of not having sharks in the ocean.
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The sharks keep the oceans healthy.
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They keep the fish stocks healthy.
They keep the ecosystems alive.
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They keep the coral reefs alive.
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If we don't have these sharks,
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if these sharks
get finned into extinction,
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the ocean's gonna turn into a swamp.
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And guess who's gonna die next?
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Us.
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And a lot of people would think I'd
be the last person to stand up for sharks.
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I was attacked by a shark
after serving 12 years in the military.
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I was on a counter-terrorism exercise
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in Sydney Harbor,
and a bull shark attacked me.
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But knowledge dispels fear.
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And through necessity,
I learned about the plight of sharks
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through working
within the shark filming industry
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over the last decade.
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It turned out sharks
were just as important
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as dolphins and whales
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in keeping the ocean alive.
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But for the first time ever,
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sharks were in danger of going extinct
because of us.
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Like bluefin tuna,
shark populations were crashing,
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with species like thresher, bull,
and hammerhead sharks
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losing up to 80 to 99%
of their populations
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in just the last few decades.
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And it was causing other unlikely species
to die out with them.
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Over the period
that we've been monitoring seabirds,
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since about 1950,
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the abundance of seabirds
has declined by about 70%.
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And if you look at how they feed,
you can understand why.
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And what they do is
they kind of lightly dip down to the sea,
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and they pick little fish off the surface.
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And where seabirds are doing their best
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is where predatory fish are driving shoals
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of tiny bait fish to the surface,
where the terns can get them.
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When you overfish the predators,
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they no longer drive the shoals
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to the surface,
so there's not enough food for the birds.
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So the loss of fish
across the world's oceans is bringing us
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into direct competition with whales,
dolphins, seabirds, for prey,
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and that's causing their populations
to decline even further.
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Sharks are apex predators.
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So they're at the very, very top
of the food chain.
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They are what I call level one.
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They eat level two.
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They eat the poor,
the sick, the weak of level two.
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But when you take away level one,
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level two then overpopulates.
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And level two eats level three.
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So they'll actually overpopulate.
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They'll wipe out their food supply,
which is level three.
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And then, level two's got nothing to eat.
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So level two then disappears,
and they go extinct.
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And it carries on down the food chain,
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down to the smallest organisms.
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So when we talk about saving sharks
and how important they are,
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even though people
don't necessarily like them,
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they are that key
to the survival of our oceans.
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Around the world, on average,
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sharks kill about ten people per year.
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Now, comparatively speaking,
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we kill 11,000 to 30,000 sharks per hour.
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The crazy thing is,
almost half of those sharks killed
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are killed as bycatch
from commercial fishing fleets.
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And they're discarded as waste
back into the ocean.
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Bycatch was
all the other marine life
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caught while trying to catch
a target species.
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And I was shocked to learn
that every year,
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at least 50 million sharks
are caught in nets this way,
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side by side with our favorite seafood.
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Studies estimate that up to 40%
of all marine life caught
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gets thrown right back overboard
as bycatch,
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and most of them die
before they even hit the water.
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So stopping shark fin soup
is only half the picture.
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The problem is
that eating fish is just as bad,
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if not worse
than the shark finning industry,
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because the shark finning industry
is strictly held in Asia,
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whereas everyone around the world
is eating fish.
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I refer to bycatch
as the invisible victims
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of the fishing industry.
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The industry will call bycatch
"accidental take,"
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but there's nothing accidental
about bycatch.
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It's factored into the economics
of fishing.
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In those fisheries where we have
a better understanding of bycatch,
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the numbers can be alarming.
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And so to give you one example,
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in Iceland, in a one-month fishery,
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that fishery caught
269 harbor porpoises,
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something like 900 seals
of four different species,
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and 5,000 seabirds.
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And that's just one little fishery
in one little part of Iceland.
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Taken across the world's oceans,
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the amount of bycatch is huge.
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What made matters worse
was that this destructive fishery
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had been awarded for its
sustainable fishing practices for years
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by the very label I had trusted
whenever I bought seafood,
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the MSC blue tick.
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I contacted the charity who hand out
the labels about doing an interview,
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but I received no reply.
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In the meantime,
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I discovered there were already over
a hundred different fishing regulations
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on paper
for reducing this kind of bycatch.
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The problem was,
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with over four and a half million
commercial fishing vessels at sea,
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it was a problem governments
had practically given up on enforcing.
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Apparently, though,
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there was one vigilante organization
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who are filling this law enforcement void.
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A volunteer-run group
who sail around the world
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and into harm's way
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in order to protect marine life
and bring ocean criminals to justice.
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The marine conservation group
Sea Shepherd,
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who have even sunk 13 whaling
and illegal fishing ships,
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and rammed a further five,
all without harming a single person.
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And by getting up close and personal
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with the industries that are
destroying the ocean,
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they have made some shocking discoveries.
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One of the recent discoveries
that Sea Shepherd has made
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is that on the Atlantic French coast
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up to 10,000 dolphins
are being killed every year by bycatch.
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So this is ten times more
than dolphins being killed in Taiji,
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and no one knew about it.
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This has been going on
for at least 30 years
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because the French government has been
very effective in hiding the problem.
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People love dolphins,
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and most of them have no idea
that when they eat fish,
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they're actually putting a death sentence
on the dolphin population in France.
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One of the most shocking things
that most people don't realize
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is that the greatest threat to whales
and dolphins is commercial fishing.
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Over 300,000 whales and dolphins
are killed every single year
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as bycatch of industrial fishing.
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Well, what about sustainable labels,
things like Dolphin Safe tuna?
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For those of us who spend as much time
at sea as I do,
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uh, we realized that labels often obscure
what's really happening at sea.
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We caught tuna fishing vessels
who had slaughtered 45 dolphins
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to catch eight tunas.
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And that fishing vessel was
working for Dolphin Safe canned tuna.
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I had learned
some shocking things so far,
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but this was just unbelievable.
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I couldn't verify these numbers online,
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and I was skeptical
to Sea Shepherd's claim
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against the organization.
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To find out for sure, I decided to meet
with the organization behind the label,
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the Earth Island Institute.
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What's the maximum number of dolphins
that can be killed in a net
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before the tuna is no longer Dolphin Safe?
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Zero. One.
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So, one dolphin and, you know, you're out.
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So can you guarantee
that every can is dolphin-safe?
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Nope. Hm-mm.
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Nobody can.
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Once you're out there in the ocean,
how do you know what they're doing?
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Uh, we have observers on board.
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Uh, the observers can be bribed.
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00:26:02,727 --> 00:26:06,356
Wait, um...
Are your observers out at sea often?
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On a regular basis, no. Mm-mm.
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There's nobody out there witnessing
whether they kill dolphins or not.
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So how do you know it's dolphin-safe,
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especially when they're paying you
to license your Dolphin Safe label?
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What they're doing
is taking the captain's word for it.
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They look at the captain's log.
He says, "I didn't kill any dolphins."
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"Oh, okay. Here's your label."
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"That'll cost you blah-blah-blah."
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So just...
Just so I get my head around this,
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um, you have observers,
but they're rarely there,
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and they can be bribed.
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And so you can't guarantee
that Dolphin Safe tuna is dolphin-safe?
485
00:26:37,971 --> 00:26:42,142
That's certainly true
in terms of, uh, how the system works.
486
00:26:42,225 --> 00:26:45,437
So, what are people meant to do now
if they want to protect dolphins?
487
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,772
What we tell them is
to buy Dolphin Safe tuna,
488
00:26:47,856 --> 00:26:50,191
tuna that's verified
by Earth Island Institute
489
00:26:50,275 --> 00:26:51,526
to be dolphin-safe.
490
00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:53,862
But it's not guaranteed
to be dolphin-safe.
491
00:26:53,945 --> 00:26:55,989
Uh, nothing can guarantee
it's dolphin-safe.
492
00:26:56,072 --> 00:26:58,950
Um, but if it's not guaranteed
to be dolphin-safe,
493
00:26:59,034 --> 00:27:00,702
why is it called Dolphin Safe?
494
00:27:00,785 --> 00:27:03,371
We can pretty well guarantee
it's dolphin-safe, yeah.
495
00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:05,707
But you just told me
it's not guaranteed.
496
00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:08,418
It's not guaranteed
in the same way that, uh...
497
00:27:09,419 --> 00:27:13,173
The world is a difficult place sometimes.
498
00:27:15,425 --> 00:27:16,801
Conflict of interest?
499
00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:20,180
Yeah, I think it's a conflict of interest.
I also think it's fraud.
500
00:27:20,263 --> 00:27:23,642
So, I was working for them,
and I walked away from that.
501
00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:25,810
I was making more than $100,000 a year.
502
00:27:25,894 --> 00:27:28,772
Free life insurance.
Something I can't even buy.
503
00:27:28,855 --> 00:27:31,483
I left that because of their phony...
504
00:27:32,609 --> 00:27:35,820
Dolphin Safe tuna label.
I don't wanna be associated with that.
505
00:27:35,904 --> 00:27:38,114
I couldn't believe
what I was hearing.
506
00:27:38,198 --> 00:27:40,617
The internationally recognized
seafood label
507
00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:44,287
was a complete fabrication
since it guaranteed nothing.
508
00:27:44,371 --> 00:27:47,999
At this point, I began to wonder
what else was being covered up.
509
00:27:48,583 --> 00:27:51,711
Even the groups
that are talking about marine plastic
510
00:27:51,795 --> 00:27:55,173
are highly reluctant to talk about
what a lot of that plastic is,
511
00:27:55,256 --> 00:27:58,259
which is fishing nets and fishing gear.
512
00:27:58,343 --> 00:28:00,762
We hear a lot
about the Great Pacific Garbage Patch,
513
00:28:00,845 --> 00:28:04,599
and say, "Oh, isn't it terrible?
All our cotton buds and plastic bags
514
00:28:04,683 --> 00:28:07,644
are swirling around
in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch."
515
00:28:07,727 --> 00:28:10,063
Forty-six percent of it is fishing nets,
516
00:28:10,146 --> 00:28:13,149
discarded fishing nets,
which are far more dangerous
517
00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:15,944
for marine life than our plastic straws.
518
00:28:16,027 --> 00:28:18,446
Because, of course,
they're designed to kill.
519
00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:23,368
Now, this is so crashingly obvious,
why aren't we talking about it?
520
00:28:23,451 --> 00:28:28,081
Why aren't even the plastics campaigns
talking about fishing?
521
00:28:30,208 --> 00:28:32,168
How had I not
heard about this before?
522
00:28:32,252 --> 00:28:35,213
Fishing vessels discard
a massive amount of ropes and lines,
523
00:28:35,296 --> 00:28:36,798
and this was a major problem.
524
00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:41,428
Today, even some of the most remote places
on Earth were awash with fishing gear.
525
00:28:42,512 --> 00:28:45,014
Like Henderson Island
in the Pacific Ocean,
526
00:28:46,474 --> 00:28:48,935
and Svalbard in the Arctic Circle.
527
00:28:49,894 --> 00:28:53,231
In fact, looking closer at some of
the whales that washed up in the UK
528
00:28:53,314 --> 00:28:54,482
when my journey began,
529
00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:57,694
I discovered fishing gear
was the main trash in their stomachs.
530
00:28:59,112 --> 00:29:02,657
This was the whale in the room
that no one was talking about.
531
00:29:03,867 --> 00:29:05,744
I even found that longline fishing
532
00:29:05,827 --> 00:29:09,080
sets enough fishing lines
to wrap around the entire planet
533
00:29:09,164 --> 00:29:12,333
500 times every single day.
534
00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:16,379
Although there isn't
a single fishery in the world
535
00:29:16,463 --> 00:29:18,506
that deliberately targets sea turtles,
536
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:23,219
six out of seven species of sea turtle
are either threatened or endangered.
537
00:29:23,303 --> 00:29:26,598
Not because of climate change,
not because of ocean pollution,
538
00:29:26,681 --> 00:29:29,684
not because of plastics in the ocean,
but because of fishing.
539
00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:32,187
But this is an issue
that nobody wants to talk about.
540
00:29:32,979 --> 00:29:35,982
Again, if this was true,
how come I'd never heard about it?
541
00:29:36,065 --> 00:29:39,402
All the headlines I'd ever seen
focused on plastic straws.
542
00:29:39,486 --> 00:29:41,696
So I decided to look into the research.
543
00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:45,533
A global study estimated
a conservative 1,000 sea turtle deaths
544
00:29:45,617 --> 00:29:47,243
from plastic per year.
545
00:29:47,327 --> 00:29:50,121
However, in the United States alone,
546
00:29:50,205 --> 00:29:54,334
250,000 sea turtles are captured, injured,
547
00:29:54,417 --> 00:29:57,712
or killed every year by fishing vessels.
548
00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:00,965
If a single sea turtle
with a straw in its nose went viral,
549
00:30:01,049 --> 00:30:03,301
then why wasn't this front page news?
550
00:30:03,968 --> 00:30:06,930
When I went on the websites
of leading marine organizations
551
00:30:07,013 --> 00:30:08,640
who tackle plastic pollution,
552
00:30:08,723 --> 00:30:11,601
I found pages and pages encouraging people
553
00:30:11,684 --> 00:30:14,020
to stop using everything from tea bags
554
00:30:14,103 --> 00:30:15,146
to chewing gum.
555
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:16,940
But no mention whatsoever
556
00:30:17,023 --> 00:30:18,775
of what to do about fishing gear,
557
00:30:18,858 --> 00:30:20,860
that is if they even mentioned it.
558
00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:24,322
Instead, plastic straws
seemed to take up 99%
559
00:30:24,405 --> 00:30:27,742
of what these groups were talking about,
which became even more shocking
560
00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:32,914
when I found out plastic straws
only accounted for 0.03%
561
00:30:32,997 --> 00:30:35,083
of plastic entering the ocean.
562
00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:39,295
This was like trying to save
the Amazon rain forest and stop logging
563
00:30:39,379 --> 00:30:41,422
by boycotting toothpicks.
564
00:30:41,506 --> 00:30:43,258
It was barely a drop in the ocean.
565
00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:45,343
If fishing gear was such a huge problem,
566
00:30:45,426 --> 00:30:48,179
I wanted to know why
my favorite plastic organization
567
00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:49,389
wasn't talking about it.
568
00:30:49,472 --> 00:30:52,350
So, according to
the Plastic Pollution Coalition,
569
00:30:52,433 --> 00:30:55,645
what is the main source of plastic
in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch?
570
00:30:55,728 --> 00:30:56,813
Microplastics.
571
00:30:57,564 --> 00:31:00,733
Uh, for the Great Pacific Garbage Patch,
I'm mostly finding microplastics.
572
00:31:00,817 --> 00:31:02,610
Well, the latest study
actually showed
573
00:31:02,694 --> 00:31:04,988
that 46%
of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch
574
00:31:05,071 --> 00:31:06,739
is fishing nets alone,
575
00:31:06,823 --> 00:31:10,159
and the majority of the other garbage
were other types of fishing gear.
576
00:31:10,243 --> 00:31:12,579
So wouldn't that be the majority?
577
00:31:12,662 --> 00:31:14,914
No, I wouldn't say...
I won't say the majority
578
00:31:14,998 --> 00:31:17,458
of the plastic in the jar is fishing nets.
579
00:31:17,542 --> 00:31:19,919
Um, it's... it's a lot.
It's a... it's a mix of things.
580
00:31:20,003 --> 00:31:22,046
But a majority means over 50%,
581
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:23,673
and fishing-related garbage
582
00:31:23,756 --> 00:31:25,717
in the patch is over 50%.
583
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,969
So wouldn't that make it the majority?
584
00:31:28,052 --> 00:31:29,512
Yeah. So if the... if the...
585
00:31:29,596 --> 00:31:32,390
If it's close to 50%, that's, um, uh...
586
00:31:33,224 --> 00:31:34,559
Yes, plastic fishing nets.
587
00:31:34,642 --> 00:31:37,854
There is nothing that would compare
to that ratio as far as one item,
588
00:31:37,937 --> 00:31:38,771
you know.
589
00:31:38,855 --> 00:31:41,816
Uh, but the overwhelming, uh, thing is
590
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:44,861
that it's... it's plastic fishing nets.
591
00:31:44,944 --> 00:31:48,656
Is there something that people
can do to stop this fishing net trash?
592
00:31:49,699 --> 00:31:53,578
Uh, one thing that you could do
is... is, uh, eliminate,
593
00:31:53,661 --> 00:31:57,582
or really, really reduce
your intake of... of fish,
594
00:31:57,665 --> 00:32:00,627
and to really let those...
Those populations rebound.
595
00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:04,339
But also, that will eliminate
as much materials being used
596
00:32:04,422 --> 00:32:05,506
to... to get those fish.
597
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:06,841
Well, do you know why
598
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:09,385
this important message
isn't on your website?
599
00:32:09,469 --> 00:32:12,138
I... I don't... I don't know.
I don't make the website.
600
00:32:12,221 --> 00:32:14,474
I mean, it'd be great for you
to talk to Dianna about it.
601
00:32:14,557 --> 00:32:16,893
She's the founder,
she's been in it, she's got the...
602
00:32:16,976 --> 00:32:18,770
She could probably
give you better answers.
603
00:32:20,521 --> 00:32:22,398
So, Jackie was saying
that one of the ways
604
00:32:22,482 --> 00:32:25,443
to tackle the massive problem
of fishing nets in the ocean
605
00:32:25,526 --> 00:32:27,445
is to say no to eating fish.
606
00:32:27,528 --> 00:32:31,282
I was wondering why you haven't put
that important message on your website.
607
00:32:32,116 --> 00:32:34,535
A consumer message to eat less fish?
608
00:32:35,286 --> 00:32:36,663
Yeah, it's not my area.
609
00:32:36,746 --> 00:32:39,207
- It's not my area of focus. I hear you.
- Yeah.
610
00:32:39,290 --> 00:32:41,084
I don't have time. We have an event.
611
00:32:41,167 --> 00:32:43,252
Can you turn off the cameras? Thanks.
612
00:32:44,337 --> 00:32:46,089
I'm not interested
in focusing there.
613
00:32:46,172 --> 00:32:48,466
I don't have an opinion about that.
614
00:32:49,175 --> 00:32:51,844
I was talking about
what people can do to make a difference
615
00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:53,638
about fishing net trash in the ocean,
616
00:32:53,721 --> 00:32:56,224
and Jackie said to eliminate
or reduce fish consumption.
617
00:32:56,307 --> 00:32:58,977
- I asked if that was...
- She didn't say eliminate fish.
618
00:32:59,060 --> 00:33:00,728
- She did.
- I know she didn't.
619
00:33:00,812 --> 00:33:05,608
...is, uh, eliminate or really,
really reduce your intake of... of fish.
620
00:33:05,692 --> 00:33:08,695
- She did. She...
- She didn't say eliminate fish.
621
00:33:08,778 --> 00:33:10,738
I had no idea what was going on.
622
00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:12,615
Why was such a simple question
623
00:33:12,699 --> 00:33:14,575
receiving such backlash?
624
00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:16,828
My only option was to follow the money.
625
00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:18,371
So I did.
626
00:33:19,205 --> 00:33:21,541
And sure enough, there it was.
627
00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:26,045
Of course they're not gonna
talk about fishing nets.
628
00:33:26,129 --> 00:33:28,006
The Plastic Pollution Coalition
629
00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:31,467
is the same organization
as the Earth Island Institute.
630
00:33:31,551 --> 00:33:34,595
These are the same ones who are
behind the Dolphin Safe tuna label,
631
00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:37,432
who work with the fishing industry
to sell more seafood.
632
00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:40,601
No wonder why they don't talk about
the leading cause of plastic pollution
633
00:33:40,685 --> 00:33:42,061
in many parts of the world.
634
00:33:43,396 --> 00:33:45,398
Now, it's entirely right to say
635
00:33:45,481 --> 00:33:47,525
that we must use far less plastic.
636
00:33:47,608 --> 00:33:53,072
But even if not a single gram of plastic
entered the oceans
637
00:33:53,156 --> 00:33:54,949
from today onwards,
638
00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:58,244
we would still be ripping
those ecosystems apart
639
00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:01,831
because the biggest issue by far
is commercial fishing.
640
00:34:01,914 --> 00:34:04,208
It's not just far more damaging
641
00:34:04,292 --> 00:34:05,835
than plastic pollution,
642
00:34:05,918 --> 00:34:09,130
it's far more damaging than oil pollution
from oil spills.
643
00:34:09,714 --> 00:34:12,633
The Deepwater Horizon oil spill
in the Gulf of Mexico
644
00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:14,177
was the biggest in history.
645
00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:16,679
It gushed huge quantities of oil
646
00:34:16,763 --> 00:34:19,307
into the deep sea for a period of months.
647
00:34:19,390 --> 00:34:23,102
And everyone was appalled
at the death of wildlife on the beaches
648
00:34:23,186 --> 00:34:24,771
as the oil slopped ashore.
649
00:34:24,854 --> 00:34:27,857
But in fact,
the fishing industry in the Gulf of Mexico
650
00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:31,319
destroyed more animals in a day
651
00:34:31,402 --> 00:34:34,322
than that oil spill did in months.
652
00:34:34,405 --> 00:34:37,533
Because large areas were closed to fishing
653
00:34:37,617 --> 00:34:40,411
because of the possibility
of being tainted by oil,
654
00:34:40,495 --> 00:34:42,288
marine life actually benefited
655
00:34:42,371 --> 00:34:44,665
from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill
656
00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:47,001
because it got a respite from fishing.
657
00:34:48,002 --> 00:34:51,297
I have a hard time accepting that
a fisherman on his little fishing boat
658
00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:53,216
- could be causing all this damage.
- Yeah.
659
00:34:53,299 --> 00:34:54,884
So, what's the deal?
660
00:34:54,967 --> 00:34:57,386
There's this image
of the fishing industry,
661
00:34:57,470 --> 00:35:00,473
which is deeply implanted in our minds
from childhood.
662
00:35:00,556 --> 00:35:01,891
It's a little red boat
663
00:35:01,974 --> 00:35:04,102
chugging across a sparkling sea
664
00:35:04,185 --> 00:35:06,229
with Captain Birdseye at the wheel,
665
00:35:06,312 --> 00:35:08,648
with his white beard,
and his twinkly blue eyes,
666
00:35:08,731 --> 00:35:10,024
and his fisherman's cap.
667
00:35:10,108 --> 00:35:14,070
And of course, what it really is,
is a death machine.
668
00:35:14,153 --> 00:35:19,242
This is a highly effective,
technological machine.
669
00:35:19,325 --> 00:35:23,830
You've got these massively powerful boats,
huge fishing ships,
670
00:35:23,913 --> 00:35:27,166
whose purpose is to mop up the animals
671
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:31,045
which are at the basis
of the whole marine food chain,
672
00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:32,129
the fish.
673
00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:36,425
Although I finally felt like I was
on the right track,
674
00:35:36,509 --> 00:35:38,302
I couldn't help but feel frustrated
675
00:35:38,386 --> 00:35:40,346
that the constant media
and global attention
676
00:35:40,429 --> 00:35:42,098
on plastics and fossil fuels
677
00:35:42,181 --> 00:35:45,309
were distracting from an industry
we hear almost nothing about,
678
00:35:45,393 --> 00:35:47,812
with a much, much greater impact
on the sea.
679
00:35:47,895 --> 00:35:48,980
Digging deeper,
680
00:35:49,063 --> 00:35:52,441
I discovered this was also true
when it came to coral reefs.
681
00:35:52,525 --> 00:35:56,529
With scientists predicting the loss
of 90% of reefs by the year 2050,
682
00:35:56,612 --> 00:35:59,949
the only mainstream narrative on why
reefs were dying was climate change.
683
00:36:00,449 --> 00:36:03,619
But hardly anyone was talking about
the fact fish were vital
684
00:36:03,703 --> 00:36:05,204
to keep corals alive.
685
00:36:06,873 --> 00:36:11,043
The ecosystem on coral reefs
is heavily based on recycling.
686
00:36:11,127 --> 00:36:14,463
When these animals excrete,
that is food for the corals.
687
00:36:14,547 --> 00:36:18,926
As fishermen come in and catch the fish,
not only is the fish suffering,
688
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:23,306
but the products that the fish release
into the water is food for the corals,
689
00:36:23,389 --> 00:36:27,435
and the nutrients to replace them
and grow them up again will be lost.
690
00:36:27,518 --> 00:36:31,772
Fishing has become the major threat
on many reefs around the world.
691
00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:33,941
From the Middle East to the Caribbean,
692
00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:37,778
where 90% of the large fish
which prospered there for millennia
693
00:36:37,862 --> 00:36:39,238
have now disappeared.
694
00:36:40,281 --> 00:36:42,909
So our oceans were clearly
at a turning point,
695
00:36:42,992 --> 00:36:45,369
and I needed definitive answers.
696
00:36:45,453 --> 00:36:47,246
I wanted to speak to conservationists
697
00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:49,370
who had spent their lives
trying to protect the sea,
698
00:36:49,415 --> 00:36:51,417
starting with meeting a living legend,
699
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:54,295
and one of my all-time favorite heroes,
to tell me more.
700
00:36:54,378 --> 00:36:56,339
I'm Sylvia Earle, an oceanographer,
701
00:36:56,422 --> 00:36:59,008
explorer-in-residence
at the National Geographic,
702
00:36:59,091 --> 00:37:00,218
founder of Mission Blue,
703
00:37:00,301 --> 00:37:03,971
founder of Deep Ocean Exploration
and Research.
704
00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:06,390
So over the years, I've seen changes.
705
00:37:06,474 --> 00:37:07,475
I've been a witness
706
00:37:07,558 --> 00:37:11,896
to perhaps the greatest era
of discovery about the ocean.
707
00:37:11,979 --> 00:37:14,941
But at the same time,
the greatest era of loss.
708
00:37:15,024 --> 00:37:17,151
Since the middle of the 20th century,
709
00:37:17,235 --> 00:37:20,738
humans have succeeded
in extracting from the ocean,
710
00:37:20,821 --> 00:37:22,949
immense quantities of wildlife.
711
00:37:23,032 --> 00:37:25,993
The estimate is by the middle
of the 21st century,
712
00:37:26,077 --> 00:37:29,330
if we keep taking wild fish at the level
that we are today,
713
00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:30,998
there'll be no commercial fishing,
714
00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:33,834
because there won't be
enough fish to catch.
715
00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:36,504
In the middle of the North Sea
in the 1830s,
716
00:37:36,587 --> 00:37:38,923
a typical fishing boat
would be able to catch
717
00:37:39,006 --> 00:37:41,759
one or two tons of halibut every day.
718
00:37:41,842 --> 00:37:44,387
But today, the entire fishing fleet there
719
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:47,765
catches about two tons of halibut
across the entire year,
720
00:37:47,848 --> 00:37:50,559
which means that halibut
is more than a thousand times
721
00:37:50,643 --> 00:37:52,645
less abundant today than it was then.
722
00:37:52,728 --> 00:37:55,064
We are at war with the oceans.
723
00:37:55,147 --> 00:37:58,109
And if we win this war,
we're going to lose it all,
724
00:37:58,192 --> 00:38:01,737
because mankind is not able
to live on this planet with a dead sea.
725
00:38:01,821 --> 00:38:06,701
It's the total industrialization
of fishing that is the problem here.
726
00:38:06,784 --> 00:38:09,328
We are pretty much destroying everything
at rapid speed.
727
00:38:10,329 --> 00:38:12,540
Commercial fishing was essentially
728
00:38:12,623 --> 00:38:15,167
wildlife poaching on a mass scale,
729
00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:19,422
catching up to 2.7 trillion fish
every year,
730
00:38:19,505 --> 00:38:23,134
or up to five million
killed every single minute.
731
00:38:24,802 --> 00:38:26,429
No other industry on Earth
732
00:38:26,512 --> 00:38:29,098
killed anywhere near
as many animals as this trade,
733
00:38:29,181 --> 00:38:32,226
let alone wild species
that we barely understand.
734
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:34,437
This has led to global fish populations,
735
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,189
in some cases,
plummeting to near extinction.
736
00:38:37,273 --> 00:38:39,193
But perhaps one of the
most shocking facts of all
737
00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:42,194
came from one of the world's
leading fisheries experts
738
00:38:42,278 --> 00:38:45,323
estimating that if
current fishing trends continue,
739
00:38:45,406 --> 00:38:47,867
we will see virtually empty oceans
740
00:38:47,950 --> 00:38:50,119
by the year 2048.
741
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,501
The more I learned,
the more devastating this fact became,
742
00:38:57,585 --> 00:38:59,837
as I began to understand
just how interconnected
743
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,839
each species were with each other,
744
00:39:01,922 --> 00:39:04,967
and even the role they play
in maintaining the chemistry of the ocean
745
00:39:05,051 --> 00:39:07,428
and our planet's atmosphere.
746
00:39:07,511 --> 00:39:10,222
It sounds just mind-blowing,
747
00:39:10,306 --> 00:39:13,517
but the power
of animals moving up and down
748
00:39:13,601 --> 00:39:17,021
through the water column,
in terms of mixing,
749
00:39:17,104 --> 00:39:21,025
is as great as all the wind, waves,
750
00:39:21,108 --> 00:39:24,403
tides, and currents in the seas combined.
751
00:39:24,487 --> 00:39:27,656
And this has a huge impact
752
00:39:27,740 --> 00:39:32,244
on the, the physics, the chemistry,
and the biology of the seas.
753
00:39:32,828 --> 00:39:34,288
All this churning of the sea
754
00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:37,875
may be one of the ways the oceans
help absorb heat from the atmosphere.
755
00:39:37,958 --> 00:39:40,169
As animals swim through the water column,
756
00:39:40,252 --> 00:39:43,339
it creates a powerful down-welling
of the warmer surface waters
757
00:39:43,422 --> 00:39:45,216
to mix with the colder waters below.
758
00:39:45,299 --> 00:39:47,301
And although more research
needs to be done,
759
00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:50,888
the decimation of marine life
may be interfering with this process,
760
00:39:50,971 --> 00:39:53,349
and contributing
to warmer sea temperatures.
761
00:39:53,432 --> 00:39:56,060
The bottom line,
the oceans and the life within it
762
00:39:56,143 --> 00:39:59,146
play a much bigger role
in climate than we ever expected.
763
00:39:59,772 --> 00:40:02,650
And it turns out
that the life in the oceans
764
00:40:02,733 --> 00:40:06,237
is absolutely crucial
for holding on to carbon
765
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,990
and preventing it
from being released to the atmosphere.
766
00:40:10,074 --> 00:40:13,494
We understand that leaving trees
or planting trees
767
00:40:13,577 --> 00:40:15,746
really helps the carbon equation,
768
00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:17,248
but nothing matters more
769
00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:20,960
than maintaining the integrity
of ocean systems.
770
00:40:21,043 --> 00:40:22,670
I mean, these big animals,
771
00:40:22,753 --> 00:40:24,088
even the little ones,
772
00:40:24,588 --> 00:40:25,798
they take up carbon.
773
00:40:25,881 --> 00:40:29,176
They sequester carbon
when they sink to the bottom of the ocean.
774
00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:31,887
The ocean is the biggest carbon sink
on the planet.
775
00:40:34,098 --> 00:40:37,351
If you want to address climate change,
the first thing you do
776
00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:39,103
is protect the ocean.
777
00:40:39,186 --> 00:40:42,022
And the solution to that is very simple:
leave it alone.
778
00:40:42,106 --> 00:40:44,442
I always equate it to
this being a spaceship.
779
00:40:44,525 --> 00:40:47,236
The Earth is a spaceship.
It's on a trip around the galaxy.
780
00:40:47,319 --> 00:40:49,572
It takes 250 million years
just to make one orbit.
781
00:40:49,655 --> 00:40:52,491
And every spaceship
has a life-support system,
782
00:40:52,575 --> 00:40:54,702
provides us with the food we eat,
the air we breathe,
783
00:40:54,785 --> 00:40:56,745
and regulates the climate,
the temperatures.
784
00:40:56,829 --> 00:41:00,374
That life support system is run by a crew
of earthlings,
785
00:41:00,458 --> 00:41:02,501
and there's only so many crew members
you can kill
786
00:41:02,585 --> 00:41:05,629
before the machinery begins to break down,
you run out of engineers.
787
00:41:05,713 --> 00:41:08,215
And that's what's happening,
we're killing off the crew.
788
00:41:15,556 --> 00:41:18,517
I discovered that one of
the most important crew members
789
00:41:18,601 --> 00:41:20,019
on this spaceship Earth
790
00:41:20,102 --> 00:41:22,146
were actually marine plants.
791
00:41:22,229 --> 00:41:24,523
Per acre, these coastal plants can store
792
00:41:24,607 --> 00:41:28,194
up to 20 times more carbon
than forests on land.
793
00:41:28,277 --> 00:41:32,781
In fact, 93% of all the world's CO2
is stored in the ocean
794
00:41:32,865 --> 00:41:35,910
with the help of marine vegetation,
algae, and coral.
795
00:41:35,993 --> 00:41:38,579
And losing just 1% of this ecosystem
796
00:41:38,662 --> 00:41:42,875
was equivalent to releasing
the emissions of 97 million cars.
797
00:41:43,417 --> 00:41:46,962
By, uh, continued extraction
of fish out of our oceans,
798
00:41:47,046 --> 00:41:48,964
you're essentially deforesting our oceans
799
00:41:49,048 --> 00:41:51,133
by not only removing the fish,
800
00:41:51,217 --> 00:41:52,593
but the act of removal,
801
00:41:52,676 --> 00:41:56,472
the methods of removal
are devastating to habitat, to ecosystems.
802
00:41:56,555 --> 00:41:59,975
And it's even more so there
because it's out of sight, out of mind.
803
00:42:00,059 --> 00:42:03,854
Trawling was by far
the most destructive form of fishing.
804
00:42:03,938 --> 00:42:05,981
The largest trawl nets are so big
805
00:42:06,065 --> 00:42:07,691
they could swallow whole cathedrals
806
00:42:07,775 --> 00:42:10,236
or up to 13 jumbo jet planes.
807
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:12,321
The nets drag heavy weights at the bottom,
808
00:42:12,404 --> 00:42:15,199
scarring the sea floor
that were once abundant with life,
809
00:42:15,282 --> 00:42:17,952
leaving nothing
but a barren wasteland behind.
810
00:42:18,035 --> 00:42:21,830
This was just like bulldozing
pristine Amazonian rain forest,
811
00:42:21,914 --> 00:42:24,291
except it was much, much worse.
812
00:42:24,375 --> 00:42:28,796
Every year, approximately 25 million
acres of forest are lost.
813
00:42:28,879 --> 00:42:32,633
This was equivalent to losing
about 27 soccer fields per minute.
814
00:42:32,716 --> 00:42:34,760
However, bottom trawling wipes out
815
00:42:34,843 --> 00:42:39,223
an estimated 3.9 billion acres every year.
816
00:42:39,807 --> 00:42:46,355
This was equivalent to losing
4,316 soccer fields every single minute.
817
00:42:46,438 --> 00:42:48,107
Tallied up across the year,
818
00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:50,651
this was equivalent
to wiping out the land area
819
00:42:50,734 --> 00:42:53,571
of Greenland, Norway, Sweden, Finland,
820
00:42:53,654 --> 00:42:57,157
Denmark, the UK, Germany, France, Spain,
821
00:42:57,241 --> 00:43:00,995
Portugal, Italy, Turkey, Iran, Thailand,
822
00:43:01,078 --> 00:43:03,539
and Australia combined.
823
00:43:04,456 --> 00:43:06,208
Where are the big environment groups?
824
00:43:06,292 --> 00:43:08,586
Why aren't they all over this like a rash?
825
00:43:08,669 --> 00:43:09,920
It's so obvious.
826
00:43:10,004 --> 00:43:11,672
It's just shouting in our faces.
827
00:43:11,755 --> 00:43:15,175
It is the fishing industry
that is destroying the fish
828
00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:17,303
and the rest of the life of the seas.
829
00:43:17,386 --> 00:43:20,306
How much more obvious does it need to be?
830
00:43:20,389 --> 00:43:23,100
And yet, for the most part,
they are silent.
831
00:43:23,183 --> 00:43:25,477
They're not speaking out against it.
832
00:43:25,561 --> 00:43:29,023
They are deliberately not engaging
833
00:43:29,106 --> 00:43:31,650
with the most important issue of all.
834
00:43:31,734 --> 00:43:33,444
Many, uh, researchers feel
835
00:43:33,527 --> 00:43:36,488
that we should be at about 30%
of our oceans being protected.
836
00:43:36,572 --> 00:43:41,160
But, in reality, we're at 5% now
of marine protected areas.
837
00:43:41,243 --> 00:43:43,412
But that's misleading because over 90%
838
00:43:43,495 --> 00:43:45,998
of those marine protected areas
still allow fishing.
839
00:43:46,081 --> 00:43:47,249
So in reality,
840
00:43:47,333 --> 00:43:49,877
less than 1% of all of our oceans
are being regulated.
841
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,462
We hear a lot from governments
842
00:43:51,545 --> 00:43:53,297
about these marine protected areas.
843
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:56,425
And one of the government ministers
was interviewed and asked,
844
00:43:56,508 --> 00:43:58,260
"In this particular protected area,
845
00:43:58,344 --> 00:44:01,096
what is the additional protection
you're actually giving it?"
846
00:44:01,180 --> 00:44:03,300
"Are you gonna protect it
against industrial fishing?"
847
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:04,266
"No."
848
00:44:04,350 --> 00:44:06,230
"Are you gonna protect it
against oil drilling?"
849
00:44:06,268 --> 00:44:07,102
"No."
850
00:44:07,186 --> 00:44:09,271
"So, what are you actually
protecting it against?"
851
00:44:09,355 --> 00:44:11,774
"Well, we're going
to put some more restrictions
852
00:44:11,857 --> 00:44:12,983
on sea kayaking."
853
00:44:13,067 --> 00:44:14,068
Seriously?
854
00:44:14,151 --> 00:44:15,027
Kayaking?
855
00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:17,821
This was the only thing
she could come up with?
856
00:44:17,905 --> 00:44:19,823
It's an utter disgrace.
857
00:44:20,407 --> 00:44:23,911
With virtually no marine protected
areas that didn't allow fishing,
858
00:44:23,994 --> 00:44:26,830
and global fish populations
on the brink of collapse,
859
00:44:26,914 --> 00:44:28,290
I began to question
860
00:44:28,374 --> 00:44:31,085
whether sustainable seafood
could even exist.
861
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,004
I have looked long and hard,
862
00:44:34,088 --> 00:44:36,548
seriously, at trying to find an example
863
00:44:36,632 --> 00:44:41,512
of where a large-scale extraction
of wildlife is sustainable.
864
00:44:43,931 --> 00:44:47,267
It just doesn't exist.
865
00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:49,144
It's hard to say,
866
00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:51,355
"In some areas, fishing is okay,
867
00:44:51,438 --> 00:44:52,648
and in others, it's not."
868
00:44:52,731 --> 00:44:55,192
Because who will draw the line?
869
00:44:55,275 --> 00:44:59,488
How would you know if a fish is,
like, caught illegal,
870
00:44:59,571 --> 00:45:04,159
or is coming out of
a sustainable fishing method?
871
00:45:04,243 --> 00:45:06,662
Well, first of all, there's no such thing.
It's impossible.
872
00:45:06,745 --> 00:45:08,831
There's no such thing
as a sustainable fishery.
873
00:45:08,914 --> 00:45:10,749
There's not enough fish to justify that.
874
00:45:10,833 --> 00:45:12,459
Everything is now sustainable.
875
00:45:12,543 --> 00:45:14,878
It's not sustainable.
Just a marketing phrase, that's all.
876
00:45:15,462 --> 00:45:17,464
So don't you agree
with organizations
877
00:45:17,548 --> 00:45:19,842
that recommend people
eat more sustainable seafood
878
00:45:19,925 --> 00:45:21,343
as a way to protect the ocean?
879
00:45:21,427 --> 00:45:23,303
No, I disagree with it completely.
880
00:45:23,387 --> 00:45:25,472
You know,
basically what they're trying to do
881
00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:27,891
is to appeal to the big tent.
882
00:45:27,975 --> 00:45:30,018
They want the people who eat fish
to support them.
883
00:45:30,102 --> 00:45:33,272
And this was a problem when I was
National Director for the Sierra Club,
884
00:45:33,355 --> 00:45:34,523
that was their problem.
885
00:45:34,606 --> 00:45:37,025
They didn't wanna come out
against hunting, against fishing,
886
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:38,360
or against meat-eating.
887
00:45:38,444 --> 00:45:42,281
Because they thought they would
lose membership support if they did.
888
00:45:42,364 --> 00:45:45,075
A lot of these groups aren't interested
in solving the problem,
889
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,453
they're interested
in exploiting the problem.
890
00:45:47,536 --> 00:45:50,873
There's a lot of groups out there,
climate change, conservation, whatever.
891
00:45:50,956 --> 00:45:53,917
It's a business.
It's a feel-good business.
892
00:45:54,001 --> 00:45:55,753
I looked on Oceana's website.
893
00:45:55,836 --> 00:45:58,380
They were the world's largest
marine conservation group,
894
00:45:58,464 --> 00:46:00,174
but there wasn't a single mention
895
00:46:00,257 --> 00:46:02,634
of reducing or eliminating
seafood consumption.
896
00:46:02,718 --> 00:46:04,970
Instead, the organization recommends
897
00:46:05,053 --> 00:46:07,139
one of the best ways to save fish
898
00:46:07,222 --> 00:46:08,557
was to eat fish.
899
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,351
Oceana were advocating
for sustainable fishing,
900
00:46:11,435 --> 00:46:14,396
so I decided to meet with the group
so they could explain what that meant.
901
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,733
What does sustainable fishing
actually mean? Who defines it?
902
00:46:17,816 --> 00:46:20,027
That's a really thoughtful question.
903
00:46:20,110 --> 00:46:21,361
Uh, sustainable...
904
00:46:21,445 --> 00:46:23,739
Sustainability is not defined as such.
905
00:46:23,822 --> 00:46:27,034
There is not a definition
of sustainability,
906
00:46:27,117 --> 00:46:29,077
as a whole, for fisheries.
907
00:46:29,161 --> 00:46:31,288
Isn't it confusing, then, to say,
908
00:46:31,371 --> 00:46:32,790
"Eat sustainable fish,"
909
00:46:32,873 --> 00:46:34,792
if there's no universal definition for it?
910
00:46:34,875 --> 00:46:36,293
Uh, absolutely.
911
00:46:36,376 --> 00:46:39,254
No, the consumer can't
assess right now, uh, properly
912
00:46:39,338 --> 00:46:41,173
what fish is sustainable, what is not.
913
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,342
Uh, there is full of advices,
914
00:46:43,425 --> 00:46:47,095
but it's true that the consumer can't
make an informed decision right now.
915
00:46:47,179 --> 00:46:49,056
So if no one really knows
what it means,
916
00:46:49,139 --> 00:46:51,141
wouldn't a more effective strategy be
917
00:46:51,225 --> 00:46:54,102
to, say, reduce or eliminate
seafood consumption?
918
00:46:54,186 --> 00:46:56,355
Wouldn't that be the best for the ocean?
919
00:46:58,065 --> 00:46:59,066
That's...
920
00:46:59,608 --> 00:47:01,568
I mean, it's difficult
to answer a question
921
00:47:01,652 --> 00:47:04,571
with such a deep reflection
922
00:47:04,655 --> 00:47:06,907
with, uh, so little time
to think about, right?
923
00:47:06,990 --> 00:47:10,118
Um, because we don't have a position
in that respect.
924
00:47:10,202 --> 00:47:11,954
We're never asked that question.
925
00:47:12,037 --> 00:47:13,789
Oh, it would just be on the website.
926
00:47:13,872 --> 00:47:17,876
You know, "Number one thing you can do
for the ocean, reduce fish consumption."
927
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,795
- Something like that.
- Um...
928
00:47:20,379 --> 00:47:24,174
I left the Oceana office with less
faith in the group than when I walked in.
929
00:47:24,258 --> 00:47:27,302
Disappointed that they were unable
to answer such a simple question
930
00:47:27,386 --> 00:47:28,720
about sustainable fishing.
931
00:47:28,804 --> 00:47:30,848
Perhaps contacting
governmental authorities
932
00:47:30,931 --> 00:47:32,211
would better answer my question.
933
00:47:32,266 --> 00:47:36,144
After all, it was the second-best
thing to do on Oceana's website.
934
00:47:36,228 --> 00:47:37,855
So I went straight to the top
935
00:47:37,938 --> 00:47:39,606
and managed to secure a rare meeting
936
00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:42,210
with the European Commissioner
of Fisheries and the Environment,
937
00:47:42,234 --> 00:47:45,237
who was recently passing laws
to ban single-use plastic.
938
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,323
What is the definition
of sustainable fishing?
939
00:47:48,407 --> 00:47:51,285
Imagine that you have money in a bank,
940
00:47:51,368 --> 00:47:55,706
you have capital, you put, I don't know,
€100 in the bank.
941
00:47:55,789 --> 00:47:58,292
That €100, which is the capital,
942
00:47:58,375 --> 00:48:00,252
is giving you interest.
943
00:48:00,335 --> 00:48:04,214
As long as you are taking the interest,
and spending the interest
944
00:48:04,298 --> 00:48:06,633
without touching the capital,
945
00:48:06,717 --> 00:48:09,261
then that is sustainability.
946
00:48:09,344 --> 00:48:12,681
As soon as you start taking away
the capital as well,
947
00:48:12,764 --> 00:48:15,976
then you've entered
the unsustainable cycle.
948
00:48:16,059 --> 00:48:18,437
Well, using your economic analogy,
949
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,940
today's oceans aren't only in debt,
but they're in a major depression.
950
00:48:22,024 --> 00:48:24,651
Shouldn't we just stop spending
what we can't afford?
951
00:48:24,735 --> 00:48:28,363
Obviously, we cannot go
to the other extreme, and say,
952
00:48:28,447 --> 00:48:31,700
"The only solution is not to fish at all."
953
00:48:31,783 --> 00:48:33,952
We cannot... I don't think we can do that.
954
00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:36,663
But your government
are taking extreme measures
955
00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:38,582
to ban single-use plastic,
956
00:48:38,665 --> 00:48:41,376
when fishing causes far more destruction.
957
00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:44,546
So why is the fishing industry
getting special treatment from this?
958
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:47,966
Yes. For me,
the idea is not to stop fishing.
959
00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:52,512
For me, the idea is
to do more sustainable fishing.
960
00:48:52,596 --> 00:48:54,806
To do more sustainable fishing.
961
00:48:54,890 --> 00:48:56,433
More sustainable fishing
962
00:48:56,516 --> 00:48:58,727
meant doing more of something
that isn't working,
963
00:48:58,810 --> 00:49:00,520
and can't even be defined.
964
00:49:00,604 --> 00:49:03,065
I wondered though,
with no clear definition,
965
00:49:03,148 --> 00:49:06,944
where did that leave sustainable
certification groups, like the MSC,
966
00:49:07,027 --> 00:49:09,029
who still haven't got back to me?
967
00:49:09,112 --> 00:49:11,198
Oh, you mean
the Marine Stewardship Council?
968
00:49:11,281 --> 00:49:13,075
- Yeah.
- Oh, God.
969
00:49:13,158 --> 00:49:15,998
Getting me onto the subject of the
Marine Stewardship Council, you know.
970
00:49:16,036 --> 00:49:17,036
Uh...
971
00:49:19,998 --> 00:49:21,625
How much do I want to say?
972
00:49:21,708 --> 00:49:23,627
Well, they have certified fisheries
973
00:49:23,710 --> 00:49:26,630
that produce astonishing levels
of bycatch.
974
00:49:26,713 --> 00:49:29,007
And those are ignored
because the level of kill
975
00:49:29,091 --> 00:49:31,802
is considered to be "sustainable"
in itself.
976
00:49:31,885 --> 00:49:34,179
But that's not what a consumer
is looking for.
977
00:49:34,262 --> 00:49:36,974
They want to know that
no marine mammals are being killed,
978
00:49:37,057 --> 00:49:38,600
no seabirds are being slaughtered,
979
00:49:38,684 --> 00:49:41,061
in order to put that fish on their plate.
980
00:49:41,144 --> 00:49:45,190
The label on the tin
isn't worth a damn in some cases.
981
00:49:45,273 --> 00:49:48,819
They make it appear on paper
as if, uh, eating,
982
00:49:48,902 --> 00:49:51,780
on one hand, uh,
sustainably-produced salmon
983
00:49:51,863 --> 00:49:54,199
is, uh, better than killing
a bluefin tuna,
984
00:49:54,282 --> 00:49:57,077
and therefore creates a justification
in the eyes of the consumer.
985
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,080
But that's like essentially saying
that it's more sustainable
986
00:50:00,163 --> 00:50:02,249
to shoot a polar bear
than shooting a panda.
987
00:50:02,332 --> 00:50:03,375
When in reality,
988
00:50:03,458 --> 00:50:06,086
uh, neither one is sustainable,
and neither one is right to do.
989
00:50:06,169 --> 00:50:07,921
So, do you think it's gonna be possible
990
00:50:08,005 --> 00:50:10,465
to do an interview with the MSC
at any point?
991
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:12,718
Um, I don't think that's gonna work out.
992
00:50:12,801 --> 00:50:15,053
Um, there's nobody in the office
at the moment.
993
00:50:15,137 --> 00:50:16,596
There's loads of conferences on.
994
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,267
After having our interview request
turned down countless times over phone,
995
00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:22,686
we decided to visit
their head office instead.
996
00:50:22,769 --> 00:50:24,312
Hi, my name's Ali.
997
00:50:24,396 --> 00:50:27,524
I've been trying to organize an interview
with someone at MSC for months now,
998
00:50:27,607 --> 00:50:30,110
and I just had some questions
about sustainable fishing.
999
00:50:30,193 --> 00:50:33,071
Would there be anyone around
I could speak to really quickly?
1000
00:50:33,155 --> 00:50:36,783
We were told to wait in the waiting room
while they found someone to speak to us.
1001
00:50:36,867 --> 00:50:39,911
But after half an hour of panicked looks
between the members of staff,
1002
00:50:39,995 --> 00:50:41,204
we were asked to leave.
1003
00:50:43,081 --> 00:50:46,251
Just got palmed off again by the MSC.
1004
00:50:46,334 --> 00:50:49,004
The world's largest
sustainable seafood organization
1005
00:50:49,087 --> 00:50:51,798
doesn't wanna talk to me
about sustainable seafood.
1006
00:50:53,633 --> 00:50:56,970
The only thing left to do
was to try and follow the money.
1007
00:50:57,054 --> 00:51:00,474
And it didn't take long
to find the massive conflict of interest.
1008
00:51:00,557 --> 00:51:02,142
One of the founders of the MSC
1009
00:51:02,225 --> 00:51:03,894
was the Unilever corporation,
1010
00:51:03,977 --> 00:51:06,188
who at the time
were a major seafood retailer.
1011
00:51:06,271 --> 00:51:10,317
And despite countless fisheries
clearly being depleted and destructive,
1012
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,735
I could only find a couple
1013
00:51:11,818 --> 00:51:14,780
that had ever been denied certification
in over 20 years.
1014
00:51:14,863 --> 00:51:16,531
But most shocking of all
1015
00:51:16,615 --> 00:51:21,536
was learning that over 80%
of the almost £30-million-a-year income
1016
00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:24,081
was from licensing their logo on seafood.
1017
00:51:24,164 --> 00:51:27,542
Basically, the more blue ticks they
handed out, the more money they made.
1018
00:51:27,626 --> 00:51:29,294
So as far as I was concerned,
1019
00:51:29,377 --> 00:51:31,963
there was no way I was gonna
trust these labels again.
1020
00:51:32,047 --> 00:51:36,426
In fact, other attempts to
regulate the industry were also failing,
1021
00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:37,844
with government observers
1022
00:51:37,928 --> 00:51:40,889
who are given the task
of monitoring fishing activity on ships
1023
00:51:40,972 --> 00:51:44,267
being murdered at sea,
thrown overboard,
1024
00:51:44,351 --> 00:51:48,021
like Keith Davis,
a 41-year-old American observer,
1025
00:51:48,105 --> 00:51:50,982
who in recent years
went missing off the coast of Peru,
1026
00:51:51,066 --> 00:51:52,526
never to be seen again.
1027
00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:54,027
In Papua New Guinea,
1028
00:51:54,111 --> 00:51:57,197
18 observers went missing
in the space of just five years.
1029
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,991
And in the Philippines, in 2015,
1030
00:52:00,075 --> 00:52:02,702
an observer by the name
of Ms. Gerlie Alpajora
1031
00:52:02,786 --> 00:52:05,247
received death threats
from the family of a tuna fisherman
1032
00:52:05,330 --> 00:52:06,957
who was arrested for illegal fishing.
1033
00:52:07,541 --> 00:52:10,502
Soon after, armed men entered her home,
1034
00:52:10,585 --> 00:52:14,047
and she was assassinated in cold blood
with a gunshot to the head
1035
00:52:14,131 --> 00:52:16,633
in front of her two young boys.
1036
00:52:17,884 --> 00:52:19,386
When we look at fisheries crime,
1037
00:52:19,469 --> 00:52:23,932
we have to look at it within the context
of transnational organized crime.
1038
00:52:24,015 --> 00:52:27,018
And the same syndicates
that are behind illegal fishing
1039
00:52:27,102 --> 00:52:30,897
are the same criminal groups
that are behind drug trafficking,
1040
00:52:30,981 --> 00:52:33,191
human trafficking, and other crimes.
1041
00:52:33,275 --> 00:52:37,571
If you get in the way of their business,
you are risking your own life.
1042
00:52:37,654 --> 00:52:41,158
But also don't be surprised at the extent
at which governments will go
1043
00:52:41,241 --> 00:52:43,160
to prevent you from exposing
1044
00:52:43,243 --> 00:52:46,913
the economic activities
that they subsidize at sea.
1045
00:52:47,664 --> 00:52:50,750
A subsidy is taxpayer money
given to an industry
1046
00:52:50,834 --> 00:52:53,920
to keep the price of a product or service
artificially low.
1047
00:52:54,004 --> 00:52:55,881
And in an increasing number of countries,
1048
00:52:55,964 --> 00:52:59,426
more money was going out
than the value of fish coming back in.
1049
00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:01,761
So if you don't eat fish,
1050
00:53:01,845 --> 00:53:04,014
you're still sustaining fisheries
1051
00:53:04,097 --> 00:53:06,433
because you're paying for it
in your taxes.
1052
00:53:06,516 --> 00:53:09,186
So if you think about it,
it's really shocking
1053
00:53:09,269 --> 00:53:11,646
that we subsidize the fishing industry
1054
00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:15,525
somewhere in the region of $35 billion,
1055
00:53:15,609 --> 00:53:18,612
which is the same amount that,
according to United Nations,
1056
00:53:18,695 --> 00:53:20,947
we'd need to combat world hunger.
1057
00:53:22,449 --> 00:53:26,453
Subsidies were originally started
as a means to ensure food security.
1058
00:53:26,536 --> 00:53:27,621
But ironically,
1059
00:53:27,704 --> 00:53:30,207
they are now the cause of food insecurity
1060
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:31,917
in many developing regions.
1061
00:53:32,542 --> 00:53:35,545
Fishing by the
European Union in places like West Africa
1062
00:53:35,629 --> 00:53:38,924
is driven by European Union subsidies.
1063
00:53:39,007 --> 00:53:41,885
And that means
that local businesses can't compete
1064
00:53:41,968 --> 00:53:45,347
with the economic might
of the European Union.
1065
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:47,599
Really it's just a continuation
1066
00:53:47,682 --> 00:53:51,186
of a history
of plundering the African continent.
1067
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,191
These intensive fishing operations
weren't only wiping out the fish,
1068
00:53:56,274 --> 00:53:58,818
they were also destroying economies.
1069
00:53:58,902 --> 00:54:00,362
In the United States,
1070
00:54:00,445 --> 00:54:03,782
up to one in every three
wild-caught fish imported
1071
00:54:03,865 --> 00:54:07,285
had been caught illegally,
and therefore sold illegally.
1072
00:54:07,369 --> 00:54:10,247
Stolen, often from countries in most need,
1073
00:54:10,330 --> 00:54:12,207
where there are now wars over the fish.
1074
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:15,252
One of the causes
for the infamous pirates of Somalia,
1075
00:54:15,335 --> 00:54:17,254
now feared across the world,
1076
00:54:17,337 --> 00:54:19,214
was actually illegal fishing.
1077
00:54:19,798 --> 00:54:23,093
They were once humble fisherman
working to feed their families.
1078
00:54:23,176 --> 00:54:25,220
But when Somalia fell to civil war,
1079
00:54:25,303 --> 00:54:29,557
foreign illegal fishing vessels,
the real pirates of today's oceans,
1080
00:54:29,641 --> 00:54:32,143
invaded their waters
and began taking the fish,
1081
00:54:32,227 --> 00:54:35,146
effectively pulling food
from their mouths,
1082
00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:39,276
giving Somali fishermen no choice
but to move into another line of work.
1083
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:41,778
This plundering
of the African Coast, though,
1084
00:54:41,861 --> 00:54:43,530
was happening across the continent.
1085
00:54:44,114 --> 00:54:46,783
And Sea Shepherd was on
a daring mission to end this,
1086
00:54:46,866 --> 00:54:48,159
working with governments
1087
00:54:48,243 --> 00:54:50,829
to track down and arrest
illegal fishing vessels
1088
00:54:50,912 --> 00:54:52,747
in places like Liberia.
1089
00:54:57,627 --> 00:55:00,255
Despite the warnings of traveling
to this region of the world,
1090
00:55:00,338 --> 00:55:02,090
we decided to join Sea Shepherd
1091
00:55:02,173 --> 00:55:04,509
to get up close to the front line
of this problem.
1092
00:55:05,969 --> 00:55:09,973
We have mostly international fleets
coming from countries
1093
00:55:10,056 --> 00:55:12,767
where they've already depleted
their own local stocks,
1094
00:55:12,851 --> 00:55:16,646
and they're pushing further and further
away to try and make up for that.
1095
00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:19,774
And using more and more
sophisticated technology
1096
00:55:19,858 --> 00:55:21,443
to increase their catch numbers.
1097
00:55:21,526 --> 00:55:23,028
When we look at international fleets,
1098
00:55:23,111 --> 00:55:25,322
they come here,
and they either fish illegally...
1099
00:55:25,405 --> 00:55:27,782
And what they're catching
is worth huge, huge amounts,
1100
00:55:27,866 --> 00:55:29,576
so it's like a gold rush.
1101
00:55:29,659 --> 00:55:32,787
Our coastal waters had now become
a free-for-all,
1102
00:55:32,871 --> 00:55:36,291
until, quite recently,
when we decided to pay attention to that,
1103
00:55:36,374 --> 00:55:37,876
and try to police it.
1104
00:55:37,959 --> 00:55:40,587
For us, with the military,
when we go on these operations,
1105
00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:42,630
we assume the highest alert.
1106
00:55:42,714 --> 00:55:44,716
We know that it's piracy going on.
1107
00:55:44,799 --> 00:55:47,093
So indeed, it's a dangerous operation.
1108
00:55:54,184 --> 00:55:55,185
Upon arrival,
1109
00:55:55,268 --> 00:55:58,355
it became clear
why the ocean around West Africa
1110
00:55:58,438 --> 00:55:59,814
was so worth protecting.
1111
00:56:03,651 --> 00:56:06,863
It was home to one of the last strongholds
of life in our oceans.
1112
00:56:09,032 --> 00:56:12,619
Teeming with rare and wonderful wildlife
of all kinds.
1113
00:56:16,164 --> 00:56:18,917
Countless species journeyed across
the Atlantic Ocean
1114
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,211
to find themselves in these waters.
1115
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,963
A refuge for mating and feeding.
1116
00:56:24,047 --> 00:56:27,592
Living in as close to harmony and balance
as I'd ever seen.
1117
00:56:28,676 --> 00:56:30,553
But there was another species,
1118
00:56:30,637 --> 00:56:34,140
journeying to these waters
for a very different purpose.
1119
00:56:36,601 --> 00:56:38,812
It didn't take long to witness
how Sea Shepherd
1120
00:56:38,895 --> 00:56:41,856
and the Liberian Coast Guard
tracked down and boarded fishing vessels.
1121
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,998
Species I had never seen
in my entire life
1122
00:56:59,082 --> 00:57:01,960
were dying in the nets
before I could even appreciate them.
1123
00:57:02,669 --> 00:57:04,254
But the scenes continued below deck,
1124
00:57:04,337 --> 00:57:08,967
where it became clear that these vessels
were more like floating slaughterhouses.
1125
00:57:10,385 --> 00:57:13,012
This is the hold
of just one purse seiner ship.
1126
00:57:13,555 --> 00:57:17,183
And this is just the tip of the iceberg,
it goes down the whole size of the ship.
1127
00:57:17,267 --> 00:57:19,060
There could be
hundreds of thousands of fish.
1128
00:57:19,144 --> 00:57:23,106
Seeing how hard it is to get on this ship,
you need pretty much a military operation.
1129
00:57:23,189 --> 00:57:25,950
Plus, they could be fishing unsustainably,
and no one would ever know.
1130
00:57:26,025 --> 00:57:28,194
They could sell this
as sustainably certified.
1131
00:57:28,278 --> 00:57:32,365
So I just don't see how you could possibly
enforce sustainable fishing laws
1132
00:57:32,449 --> 00:57:34,576
with all these boats this far out at sea.
1133
00:57:36,077 --> 00:57:37,954
I just don't see how it's possible.
1134
00:57:45,044 --> 00:57:46,129
It's at nighttime
1135
00:57:46,212 --> 00:57:49,048
that illegal fishing thrives
under the cloak of darkness.
1136
00:57:49,132 --> 00:57:52,218
Vessels entering the waters
of other countries without detection
1137
00:57:52,302 --> 00:57:53,928
and stealing the fish.
1138
00:57:54,012 --> 00:57:57,891
But that was also prime time
for Sea Shepherd to do their work.
1139
00:57:57,974 --> 00:58:01,269
Yeah, we gonna board the vessel,
we have to do it as soon as possible.
1140
00:58:01,352 --> 00:58:02,479
Copy that.
1141
00:58:02,562 --> 00:58:05,982
So, Sea Shepherd have just spotted
a boat on the horizon.
1142
00:58:06,065 --> 00:58:07,233
It's on the radars.
1143
00:58:07,317 --> 00:58:08,902
Could be an illegal fishing vessel.
1144
00:58:08,985 --> 00:58:10,528
We're about to go and find out.
1145
00:58:54,405 --> 00:58:56,991
The ship was a Chinese trawler.
1146
00:58:57,116 --> 00:59:00,828
In its hold were huge quantities
of illegally-caught fish.
1147
00:59:00,912 --> 00:59:03,623
The vessel was detained and fined.
1148
00:59:03,706 --> 00:59:05,250
It was only one victory,
1149
00:59:05,333 --> 00:59:08,294
but it sent a clear message
to the other ships in the area,
1150
00:59:08,378 --> 00:59:11,339
that there were now real consequences
to their illegal actions.
1151
00:59:12,131 --> 00:59:14,551
Still on the illegal fishing vessel
after sunrise,
1152
00:59:14,634 --> 00:59:16,928
as the ship was getting ready
to be taken back to port,
1153
00:59:17,512 --> 00:59:19,305
I saw some men rowing up to the ship.
1154
00:59:20,265 --> 00:59:23,101
I remembered the piracy warning
from the Minister of Defense,
1155
00:59:23,184 --> 00:59:25,311
but these men didn't look like pirates.
1156
00:59:25,853 --> 00:59:29,232
Why were they risking their lives
in open waters on a small canoe?
1157
00:59:30,066 --> 00:59:32,151
Suddenly, I saw this.
1158
00:59:34,112 --> 00:59:35,280
They were hungry.
1159
00:59:38,491 --> 00:59:40,994
If you look along the coast,
these are people who've lived here
1160
00:59:41,077 --> 00:59:42,829
from time immemorial.
1161
00:59:42,912 --> 00:59:45,290
That's their livelihood,
that's their way of life.
1162
00:59:45,373 --> 00:59:49,085
But when we allow the industrial fishing
to come so close into their zone,
1163
00:59:49,168 --> 00:59:51,963
it doesn't give them a chance
to get a good catch out of there.
1164
00:59:52,046 --> 00:59:54,632
'Cause if he cannot catch
what he's supposed to catch
1165
00:59:54,716 --> 00:59:58,261
because a commercial vessel has come up
and scoop up everything from here,
1166
00:59:58,344 --> 00:59:59,846
he's destined to go further out.
1167
00:59:59,929 --> 01:00:01,806
These guys are out here
without life vests.
1168
01:00:01,889 --> 01:00:03,516
It's dangerous. Anything can happen.
1169
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,436
You get kicked out of your boat,
or your canoe, that's it.
1170
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:08,980
Fisheries workers at sea
1171
01:00:09,063 --> 01:00:11,357
have some of the most dangerous jobs
on Earth.
1172
01:00:11,441 --> 01:00:12,317
In context,
1173
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,820
over 4,500 US soldiers were killed
1174
01:00:15,903 --> 01:00:18,698
in the Iraq War
over the course of 15 years.
1175
01:00:18,781 --> 01:00:20,366
But during that same time,
1176
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:24,787
360,000 fisheries workers died
doing their job,
1177
01:00:24,871 --> 01:00:29,042
as an estimated 24,000 workers
die every year.
1178
01:00:29,125 --> 01:00:31,127
And West African canoe fishermen
1179
01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:33,338
happened to have
the highest mortality rates
1180
01:00:33,421 --> 01:00:35,590
of any fisheries job on the planet.
1181
01:00:36,591 --> 01:00:39,218
Huge numbers of people
depended on the fish,
1182
01:00:39,302 --> 01:00:40,887
which is now mostly gone.
1183
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:42,805
That's caused a great deal of hunger,
1184
01:00:42,889 --> 01:00:47,101
not just on the coast,
but up to a thousand miles inland.
1185
01:00:47,185 --> 01:00:49,270
So, what do people do
for fishing instead?
1186
01:00:49,854 --> 01:00:51,773
They'll hunt wild animals on land.
1187
01:00:51,856 --> 01:00:55,276
And that has not only had
devastating impacts
1188
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,362
on animal life on land,
1189
01:00:57,445 --> 01:01:00,823
it also seems to have had
a very major impact on human life,
1190
01:01:00,907 --> 01:01:02,867
because it's the bushmeat trade
1191
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:06,454
which is responsible
for the Ebola epidemics.
1192
01:01:06,537 --> 01:01:09,666
You can actually stand this up,
it's in the scientific literature.
1193
01:01:09,749 --> 01:01:13,002
The theft of fish stocks is enhancing
1194
01:01:13,086 --> 01:01:16,923
or causing Ebola outbreaks of West Africa.
1195
01:01:19,217 --> 01:01:21,427
As our trip in Liberia
drew to a close,
1196
01:01:21,511 --> 01:01:24,472
I questioned whether there was
any alternative fishing method
1197
01:01:24,555 --> 01:01:26,432
that could provide some kind of solution
1198
01:01:26,516 --> 01:01:27,850
to both the environmental
1199
01:01:27,934 --> 01:01:30,687
and humanitarian ramifications
of this industry.
1200
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:34,857
And a glimmer of hope presented itself
in the form of fish farming,
1201
01:01:34,941 --> 01:01:36,567
an industry with the reputation
1202
01:01:36,651 --> 01:01:39,070
of being an eco-friendly way
to feed the world
1203
01:01:39,153 --> 01:01:41,572
without all the problems
of wild-caught fish.
1204
01:01:42,448 --> 01:01:44,867
With no bycatch, no illegal fishing,
1205
01:01:44,951 --> 01:01:46,285
no sea-floor damage,
1206
01:01:46,369 --> 01:01:48,329
no killing of endangered species,
1207
01:01:48,413 --> 01:01:50,081
and no dangerous working conditions,
1208
01:01:50,164 --> 01:01:51,958
it was exactly what I was looking for.
1209
01:01:52,041 --> 01:01:54,168
Yeah, so a lot of people
jump to the conclusion
1210
01:01:54,252 --> 01:01:56,796
that sustainable seafood
comes from farming fish
1211
01:01:56,879 --> 01:01:58,339
and not high seas fishing,
1212
01:01:58,423 --> 01:02:00,425
but it's really not the case.
1213
01:02:00,508 --> 01:02:04,011
Uh, there's so many issues involved
with farming fish,
1214
01:02:04,095 --> 01:02:07,098
uh, being pollution, disease,
and we have to ask the question,
1215
01:02:07,181 --> 01:02:08,891
"What are these fish being fed?"
1216
01:02:08,975 --> 01:02:10,184
What were they being fed?
1217
01:02:10,268 --> 01:02:13,604
The industry claim that to produce
one kilogram of farmed salmon,
1218
01:02:13,688 --> 01:02:16,441
only 1.2 kilograms of feed is needed.
1219
01:02:16,524 --> 01:02:20,403
But when I looked further,
I found the feed is heavily processed,
1220
01:02:20,486 --> 01:02:22,238
and is made of dried fish meal
1221
01:02:22,321 --> 01:02:23,865
and extracted fish oil,
1222
01:02:23,948 --> 01:02:26,993
which requires a massive amount
of fish to produce.
1223
01:02:27,076 --> 01:02:29,620
So in reality,
you need many times more fish
1224
01:02:29,704 --> 01:02:31,372
going into the farmer's feed
1225
01:02:31,456 --> 01:02:32,790
than will ever come out.
1226
01:02:33,374 --> 01:02:34,459
So fish farming
1227
01:02:34,542 --> 01:02:36,461
was just wild fishing in disguise.
1228
01:02:37,086 --> 01:02:39,213
And what made this even more shocking
1229
01:02:39,297 --> 01:02:42,467
was the scale fish farming
already operates at.
1230
01:02:42,550 --> 01:02:45,595
Today, around 50% of the world's seafood
1231
01:02:45,678 --> 01:02:47,805
is coming from farms like these.
1232
01:02:48,389 --> 01:02:53,060
Huge cages in the ocean
containing tens of thousands of fish.
1233
01:02:55,104 --> 01:02:56,773
So we decided to leave Liberia
1234
01:02:56,856 --> 01:02:59,358
and journey back to the UK, for Scotland,
1235
01:02:59,442 --> 01:03:02,195
one of the world's leading producers
of farmed salmon.
1236
01:03:02,278 --> 01:03:04,947
Since none of the major companies
wanted to speak to us,
1237
01:03:05,031 --> 01:03:08,242
we decided to meet with some of
the industry's whistleblowers instead.
1238
01:03:08,743 --> 01:03:11,329
The salmon farming industry
in Scotland is extremely powerful.
1239
01:03:11,412 --> 01:03:14,332
And we're talking about
billion-dollar multinationals,
1240
01:03:14,415 --> 01:03:17,668
which have the resources and the skills
to dominate the narrative,
1241
01:03:17,752 --> 01:03:20,922
and ensure that the only information
that gets out
1242
01:03:21,005 --> 01:03:22,725
is the information
they're comfortable with.
1243
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:24,550
So when I went to document the issues,
1244
01:03:24,634 --> 01:03:27,261
ended up making my way out
to one of the farms.
1245
01:03:27,345 --> 01:03:31,390
And there, I filmed some of
the most severe sea lice infestations
1246
01:03:31,474 --> 01:03:32,809
that's ever been recorded.
1247
01:03:34,060 --> 01:03:37,772
Corin was able to capture footage
of salmon being eaten alive
1248
01:03:37,855 --> 01:03:40,358
by an infestation of sea lice parasites.
1249
01:03:40,441 --> 01:03:43,611
A common reality of fish farming
across the world.
1250
01:03:44,195 --> 01:03:46,656
It was sad to think
that this incredible species,
1251
01:03:46,739 --> 01:03:48,866
which had evolved for millions of years
1252
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:51,744
to migrate across entire oceans
and navigate up rivers
1253
01:03:51,828 --> 01:03:54,247
to reach the exact same spawning grounds
they were born in,
1254
01:03:54,330 --> 01:03:57,959
were now confined to swim in circles
in their own filth.
1255
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,671
So, it's estimated
that each salmon farm in Scotland
1256
01:04:01,754 --> 01:04:06,425
produces organic waste equivalent
to a town of 10 to 20,000 people.
1257
01:04:06,509 --> 01:04:08,928
And taken together,
it's estimated that
1258
01:04:09,011 --> 01:04:11,889
the Scottish salmon farming industry
produces organic waste
1259
01:04:11,973 --> 01:04:14,851
equivalent to the entire population
of Scotland each year.
1260
01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:23,109
The next activist I wanted to meet
was Don Staniford,
1261
01:04:23,192 --> 01:04:27,905
who'd been going undercover to expose
the reality of fish farms for years.
1262
01:04:27,989 --> 01:04:30,032
And we agreed to go undercover with him.
1263
01:04:32,243 --> 01:04:34,495
So, we're here
at Marine Harvest Salmon Farm,
1264
01:04:34,579 --> 01:04:35,705
and it's disgusting.
1265
01:04:35,788 --> 01:04:38,374
This is the...
This is the stench of Scottish salmon.
1266
01:04:38,457 --> 01:04:41,544
This is where salmon go to die
from the farms.
1267
01:04:41,627 --> 01:04:45,965
Maybe 50% of the salmon are dying
from egg to plate, from hatch to catch.
1268
01:04:46,048 --> 01:04:48,050
And this is the Mortality Mountain.
1269
01:04:48,134 --> 01:04:51,262
This is a symptom
of factory battery salmon farming.
1270
01:04:51,345 --> 01:04:53,431
These fish are dying from anemia,
1271
01:04:53,514 --> 01:04:54,849
lice infestation,
1272
01:04:54,932 --> 01:04:56,350
infectious diseases,
1273
01:04:56,434 --> 01:04:58,019
chlamydia, heart disease.
1274
01:04:58,102 --> 01:04:59,270
This is welfare abuse.
1275
01:04:59,353 --> 01:05:02,315
So, far from being a panacea
for the world food problem,
1276
01:05:02,398 --> 01:05:04,609
salmon farming is a waste of resources.
1277
01:05:04,692 --> 01:05:06,527
It's biological nonsense.
1278
01:05:07,528 --> 01:05:09,155
The stench was horrifying.
1279
01:05:09,238 --> 01:05:11,365
These weren't the bright orange
and pink salmon
1280
01:05:11,449 --> 01:05:13,117
I'd seen in the commercials.
1281
01:05:13,743 --> 01:05:15,286
So, farmed salmon,
1282
01:05:15,369 --> 01:05:18,706
without colorants being added to its feed,
would be completely gray,
1283
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:23,044
to the extent that salmon farmers
can actually select from a color chart,
1284
01:05:23,127 --> 01:05:24,879
much like you get
when painting your house.
1285
01:05:24,962 --> 01:05:28,382
You can select the pinkness of the salmon
that you're gonna produce.
1286
01:05:28,466 --> 01:05:30,426
So it wouldn't be for me to say,
1287
01:05:30,509 --> 01:05:33,846
but it does seem like people are eating
gray fish that's painted pink.
1288
01:05:35,806 --> 01:05:38,517
This was the real monster
in the lochs of Scotland.
1289
01:05:38,601 --> 01:05:41,062
But the environmental impact
of farming marine life
1290
01:05:41,145 --> 01:05:42,438
didn't end with fish.
1291
01:05:43,022 --> 01:05:46,817
One of the world's most important habitats
is mangroves.
1292
01:05:46,901 --> 01:05:50,780
Now, mangrove forests
are absolutely crucial storm barriers.
1293
01:05:50,863 --> 01:05:55,368
They protect communities
from storm surges, even from tsunamis.
1294
01:05:55,451 --> 01:05:59,664
And yet, 38% of the world's mangroves
have been destroyed
1295
01:05:59,747 --> 01:06:01,999
by shrimp and prawn farming.
1296
01:06:02,083 --> 01:06:06,253
However, it's the shrimp feed which is
having the greatest humanitarian impact,
1297
01:06:06,337 --> 01:06:08,756
because it depends on slavery.
1298
01:06:08,839 --> 01:06:11,258
We hear a lot about blood diamonds.
1299
01:06:11,842 --> 01:06:13,094
This is blood shrimp.
1300
01:06:15,054 --> 01:06:18,349
This recent aerial footage
shows a fisherman in Southeast Asia
1301
01:06:18,432 --> 01:06:20,726
writing a secret message to the drone,
1302
01:06:20,810 --> 01:06:22,478
out of sight of the captain.
1303
01:06:26,607 --> 01:06:30,152
Slavery at sea is a massive problem.
1304
01:06:30,236 --> 01:06:33,739
I think it's very hard
to give precise figures,
1305
01:06:33,823 --> 01:06:36,867
precisely because it operates
under the radar.
1306
01:06:36,951 --> 01:06:40,162
Those people
who are driving these abuses,
1307
01:06:40,246 --> 01:06:42,373
for obvious reasons,
don't want to get found out.
1308
01:06:42,456 --> 01:06:44,834
In that regard, I would point to Thailand.
1309
01:06:44,917 --> 01:06:49,046
So there are now somewhere in the region
of about 51,000 boats fishing
1310
01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:51,048
in Thai waters under the Thai flag.
1311
01:06:51,132 --> 01:06:56,804
They had to find a way of fishing
ever more cheaply to catch fewer fish.
1312
01:06:56,887 --> 01:07:00,349
And that's where
the inherent vulnerability begins.
1313
01:07:00,433 --> 01:07:05,730
Most of those boats would not be economic
without this free, cheap labor.
1314
01:07:08,315 --> 01:07:11,360
I had no idea when I started
my journey that it would lead me here,
1315
01:07:11,444 --> 01:07:14,405
but it was hard to believe the
fishing industry could be this corrupt.
1316
01:07:14,488 --> 01:07:17,158
The information I was finding online
was conflicting,
1317
01:07:17,241 --> 01:07:21,370
so I wanted to ask the industry myself,
at an international seafood expo
1318
01:07:21,454 --> 01:07:23,664
open only to industry insiders.
1319
01:07:23,748 --> 01:07:25,499
We created fake business cards
1320
01:07:25,583 --> 01:07:27,710
for a fake seafood company to sneak in,
1321
01:07:27,793 --> 01:07:29,795
which actually worked,
1322
01:07:29,879 --> 01:07:32,089
and secretly filmed my interaction
1323
01:07:32,173 --> 01:07:34,341
with a representative from Thai seafood.
1324
01:07:34,425 --> 01:07:35,843
I was doing some research...
1325
01:07:35,926 --> 01:07:36,761
Research?
1326
01:07:36,844 --> 01:07:41,057
Research. And I found out
that a lot of, uh, Thai shrimp and prawns
1327
01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:43,434
are coming from slave labor.
People kidnapped...
1328
01:07:43,517 --> 01:07:45,186
- Oh, no, no!
- It's not true?
1329
01:07:45,269 --> 01:07:46,270
No, not true!
1330
01:07:46,353 --> 01:07:48,522
- Whoa! So they're lying?
- Lying.
1331
01:07:49,106 --> 01:07:51,734
- So there's no slavery going on?
- No, no.
1332
01:07:51,859 --> 01:07:53,152
So why would they say that?
1333
01:07:53,652 --> 01:07:56,530
I don't know. You ask them that.
1334
01:07:56,614 --> 01:07:59,200
- Yeah. So it's...
- Business, huh? It's business.
1335
01:07:59,283 --> 01:08:01,118
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, it's business.
1336
01:08:01,702 --> 01:08:06,415
I was so fed up by all these
companies and NGOs bluewashing the truth,
1337
01:08:06,499 --> 01:08:08,834
but honestly, I didn't know what to think.
1338
01:08:08,918 --> 01:08:10,878
The only way I could find out for sure
1339
01:08:10,961 --> 01:08:13,380
if fishing slavery
was still going on today
1340
01:08:13,464 --> 01:08:16,300
was by actually speaking
to these fishing slaves ourselves.
1341
01:08:16,383 --> 01:08:20,471
Would you say there's any
safety concerns for me making this film?
1342
01:08:21,222 --> 01:08:22,765
The safety concerns are serious.
1343
01:08:22,848 --> 01:08:27,061
And I think,
ignore them at your risk.
1344
01:08:27,144 --> 01:08:29,688
You can see people are being murdered.
1345
01:08:29,772 --> 01:08:32,650
So some of those involved are murderers.
1346
01:08:32,733 --> 01:08:35,111
Somebody might kill you,
and that is possible
1347
01:08:35,194 --> 01:08:38,405
if you're foolish, and if you're
in the wrong place at the wrong time.
1348
01:08:38,489 --> 01:08:43,119
You can be victim of unfair
or unreasonable actions by the law
1349
01:08:43,202 --> 01:08:45,788
who have been paid,
i.e. a victim of corruption.
1350
01:08:45,871 --> 01:08:47,873
So you have to be extremely careful,
1351
01:08:47,957 --> 01:08:51,377
and the security protocols that you apply
1352
01:08:51,460 --> 01:08:54,755
may well mean the difference
between life and death.
1353
01:09:02,471 --> 01:09:03,889
We arrived in Bangkok
1354
01:09:03,973 --> 01:09:07,101
with the details of a halfway home
for escaped slaves.
1355
01:09:07,184 --> 01:09:09,603
We knew that
just by filming these interviews
1356
01:09:09,687 --> 01:09:12,648
and shining a light on the
criminal activities in the country,
1357
01:09:12,731 --> 01:09:15,192
we were putting ourselves
and those around us at risk.
1358
01:09:16,443 --> 01:09:18,279
Don't film my face.
1359
01:09:18,362 --> 01:09:20,364
I can be hunted down for helping you.
1360
01:09:21,115 --> 01:09:23,367
All we could do
was cross our fingers,
1361
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:25,330
and hope we got the answers
we were looking for.
1362
01:09:31,375 --> 01:09:35,212
Could you start off by telling me
how long you were on these ships for?
1363
01:09:35,921 --> 01:09:38,465
I was at sea
for 10 years, 2 months, and 2 days.
1364
01:09:40,968 --> 01:09:45,806
I was scared, let me be straight with you.
1365
01:09:45,890 --> 01:09:51,729
Nobody could get off the ship,
there were guards that kept eyes on us.
1366
01:09:52,354 --> 01:09:56,400
I was at sea for six years.
1367
01:09:57,234 --> 01:10:02,406
I was so depressed
I tried to take my own life three times.
1368
01:10:02,990 --> 01:10:06,452
When I first met the captain on land,
we drank and had a good time.
1369
01:10:06,535 --> 01:10:09,330
But once I was on the ship
and the ship left the shore,
1370
01:10:09,413 --> 01:10:11,874
the captain changed from white to red.
1371
01:10:11,957 --> 01:10:14,752
He changed,
like we didn't know each other.
1372
01:10:14,835 --> 01:10:17,838
He bullied and abused me
like we didn't know each other.
1373
01:10:17,922 --> 01:10:21,675
He splashed us with boiling water
when we were sick and tired,
1374
01:10:21,759 --> 01:10:25,930
hit us whenever he wasn't happy
by using an iron bar,
1375
01:10:26,013 --> 01:10:29,350
and threatened us with a gun.
1376
01:10:31,101 --> 01:10:34,355
On the ship I was on,
1377
01:10:34,438 --> 01:10:38,776
sometimes they kept dead human bodies
in the freezers after killing them.
1378
01:10:39,860 --> 01:10:42,988
On my ship, boys dropped
into the sea and drowned.
1379
01:10:46,992 --> 01:10:50,788
I saw their dead bodies floating
on the water surface days later.
1380
01:10:51,622 --> 01:10:53,791
I felt sorry for their parents,
1381
01:10:53,874 --> 01:10:55,918
they would never know
of their son's death.
1382
01:10:56,460 --> 01:11:01,048
When ships are in the
middle of the ocean, where problems occur,
1383
01:11:02,091 --> 01:11:05,886
they can throw you overboard
into the sea.
1384
01:11:05,970 --> 01:11:09,932
They can just say to the authorities
1385
01:11:10,015 --> 01:11:13,560
that you were sick and fell into the sea.
1386
01:11:14,770 --> 01:11:18,315
People don't see how we catch seafood,
1387
01:11:18,399 --> 01:11:20,859
they only care for consumption.
1388
01:11:20,943 --> 01:11:26,740
A lot of the seafood we're consuming today
is from slavery,
1389
01:11:26,824 --> 01:11:29,410
from forced labor.
1390
01:11:29,493 --> 01:11:33,497
I would like to see everyone
stop supporting them
1391
01:11:33,580 --> 01:11:35,708
if that's possible.
1392
01:11:36,792 --> 01:11:39,336
Would you be able
to take us to the slave ships,
1393
01:11:39,420 --> 01:11:41,422
or is it too dangerous to film?
1394
01:11:41,505 --> 01:11:43,007
Oh...
1395
01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:50,055
It's dangerous for you to make
this documentary, and film these ships.
1396
01:11:50,848 --> 01:11:53,517
If you're scared of dying,
go home.
1397
01:11:56,687 --> 01:11:58,439
At this point, off-camera,
1398
01:11:58,522 --> 01:12:01,358
we were notified that we had to end
the interview right then and there
1399
01:12:01,442 --> 01:12:02,943
as police were on their way.
1400
01:12:03,027 --> 01:12:06,030
Someone had reported us
for filming without permits,
1401
01:12:06,113 --> 01:12:08,240
and we needed to get out of there
immediately.
1402
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,925
I was sad to be leaving Thailand
so suddenly,
1403
01:12:27,009 --> 01:12:30,012
knowing there were young men just like me
trapped on fishing boats
1404
01:12:30,095 --> 01:12:31,638
who'd never be able to go home.
1405
01:12:31,722 --> 01:12:35,351
But after risking our safety,
I felt powerless to do anything about it.
1406
01:12:35,434 --> 01:12:38,812
Especially knowing the authorities
were involved in covering it up.
1407
01:12:47,571 --> 01:12:50,115
Back home, it'd been weeks
since I picked up a camera.
1408
01:12:50,949 --> 01:12:53,160
The gravity of everything
had caught up with me,
1409
01:12:53,243 --> 01:12:54,912
and frankly, I was overwhelmed.
1410
01:12:55,621 --> 01:12:56,914
However, months earlier,
1411
01:12:56,997 --> 01:12:59,124
we had booked a trip to the Faroe Islands,
1412
01:12:59,208 --> 01:13:03,045
a small archipelago in the North Atlantic
that practiced an old form of whaling.
1413
01:13:03,128 --> 01:13:05,422
We'd booked the trip
back when I thought whaling
1414
01:13:05,506 --> 01:13:07,758
was one of the biggest threats
facing the ocean.
1415
01:13:07,841 --> 01:13:11,637
But after witnessing much greater impacts
and the human rights abuses that followed,
1416
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,847
it seemed like a step backwards.
1417
01:13:13,931 --> 01:13:17,059
However, this particular form of whaling,
called a "Grind,"
1418
01:13:17,142 --> 01:13:21,105
had recently received attention in the
media as a sustainable form of whaling,
1419
01:13:21,188 --> 01:13:24,525
claiming the species of whale aren't
endangered and that hunting them
1420
01:13:24,608 --> 01:13:26,819
caused no environmental damage.
1421
01:13:26,902 --> 01:13:30,322
Whales were the whole reason I set out
on this journey in the first place,
1422
01:13:30,406 --> 01:13:33,409
and I was skeptical about how sustainable
it could possibly be.
1423
01:13:33,492 --> 01:13:37,287
So we decided to make one final trip
to the Faroe Islands,
1424
01:13:37,371 --> 01:13:39,498
in the hopes of
witnessing one of these hunts
1425
01:13:39,581 --> 01:13:41,125
and speaking to a whaler.
1426
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:43,502
Some years on the islands,
1427
01:13:43,585 --> 01:13:46,088
a whale hunt may only occur
a handful of times.
1428
01:13:46,672 --> 01:13:48,674
Other years, none at all.
1429
01:13:49,466 --> 01:13:52,344
We patiently awaited
news of a hunt for ten days,
1430
01:13:52,428 --> 01:13:54,972
until finally, we received the call.
1431
01:14:00,185 --> 01:14:01,687
There's a Grind? How far?
1432
01:14:03,689 --> 01:14:04,689
Okay.
1433
01:14:05,816 --> 01:14:06,733
Hvannasund?
1434
01:14:06,817 --> 01:14:07,985
How do you spell that?
1435
01:14:08,068 --> 01:14:10,571
H-V... yeah.
1436
01:14:12,906 --> 01:14:15,742
Yeah, I know where it is. Okay, okay.
See you later.
1437
01:17:47,162 --> 01:17:49,873
In the chaos
of everything that happened,
1438
01:17:49,956 --> 01:17:52,376
I finally understood sustainability.
1439
01:17:52,876 --> 01:17:56,588
It just meant that something
could continue on and on forever
1440
01:17:57,339 --> 01:18:00,175
regardless of how much
suffering it caused.
1441
01:18:00,258 --> 01:18:01,176
In reality,
1442
01:18:01,259 --> 01:18:03,970
the Grind was about as sustainable
as you could get.
1443
01:18:04,054 --> 01:18:06,473
But I began to wonder
whether sustainability
1444
01:18:06,556 --> 01:18:09,601
was truly the right goal
for how we took care of the ocean.
1445
01:18:13,146 --> 01:18:15,857
So, I don't feel like I'm a bad person.
1446
01:18:15,941 --> 01:18:20,237
If somebody want to say, "Yeah,
you're a bad person for killing a whale."
1447
01:18:20,779 --> 01:18:24,449
Uh, I would rather kill one whale
than 2,000 chickens.
1448
01:18:24,533 --> 01:18:26,952
That's about the same amount of meat.
1449
01:18:27,536 --> 01:18:30,372
Uh, so if the world
wants to take 2,000 lives,
1450
01:18:30,455 --> 01:18:32,708
and we are taking one, you're welcome.
1451
01:18:33,208 --> 01:18:34,626
And at that point,
1452
01:18:34,710 --> 01:18:39,047
I feel like I'm a better person
than many other people
1453
01:18:39,131 --> 01:18:41,466
that are thinking about,
1454
01:18:42,050 --> 01:18:44,594
"Yeah, we had salmon
for dinner last night."
1455
01:18:44,678 --> 01:18:45,678
Yeah?
1456
01:18:46,012 --> 01:18:47,723
Four people, salmon,
1457
01:18:47,806 --> 01:18:51,017
that means two, three salmons killed.
1458
01:18:51,601 --> 01:18:55,689
Do you really feel good about yourself
killing two salmons
1459
01:18:56,231 --> 01:18:57,357
for eating dinner?
1460
01:18:58,150 --> 01:19:00,861
Uh, I can follow the thoughts
that people are saying,
1461
01:19:01,737 --> 01:19:04,197
"If you want to eat, don't kill anything."
1462
01:19:04,281 --> 01:19:07,951
Like, just eating vegetables, and fruits,
and stuff like that.
1463
01:19:08,034 --> 01:19:09,202
I can go along with that,
1464
01:19:09,286 --> 01:19:13,081
but I really can't go along with people
that are saying,
1465
01:19:13,707 --> 01:19:15,000
Uh, "You must not kill Grind."
1466
01:19:16,001 --> 01:19:19,129
And then, they are killing
or eating other animals.
1467
01:19:19,212 --> 01:19:22,340
For me, a fish, a chicken, a whale,
1468
01:19:22,424 --> 01:19:24,801
exactly the same value.
1469
01:19:24,885 --> 01:19:26,261
It has one life.
1470
01:19:27,095 --> 01:19:28,095
And...
1471
01:19:28,889 --> 01:19:31,433
some say it doesn't need to be taken
for getting food,
1472
01:19:31,516 --> 01:19:33,310
but that's what we are doing.
1473
01:19:40,358 --> 01:19:42,652
Although I didn't agree
with everything he said,
1474
01:19:42,736 --> 01:19:44,196
the whaler had a point.
1475
01:19:44,279 --> 01:19:46,239
All this time, I had only looked at fish
1476
01:19:46,323 --> 01:19:49,576
and other marine life in terms
of sustainability and ecological impact,
1477
01:19:49,659 --> 01:19:52,704
but I never considered the lives
of these animals in their own right,
1478
01:19:52,788 --> 01:19:54,039
or whether they could feel.
1479
01:19:55,499 --> 01:19:59,669
To me, it's remarkable
that the question is even asked that,
1480
01:19:59,753 --> 01:20:02,255
"Do fish feel pain?"
1481
01:20:03,256 --> 01:20:07,052
As a scientist, it's common sense.
1482
01:20:07,135 --> 01:20:09,137
They have a nervous system, fish do.
1483
01:20:09,221 --> 01:20:13,266
They have the basic elements
that all vertebrates have.
1484
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:17,646
They have the capacity to feel on a level
1485
01:20:17,729 --> 01:20:19,856
that I almost can't imagine we can.
1486
01:20:19,940 --> 01:20:22,400
We feel pain, we feel touch.
1487
01:20:22,484 --> 01:20:25,862
But fish have a lateral line
down their sides
1488
01:20:25,946 --> 01:20:29,699
that senses the most exquisite
little movements in the water.
1489
01:20:29,783 --> 01:20:32,285
So you see a thousand fish
moving like one fish.
1490
01:20:32,369 --> 01:20:36,039
Those who say, "Doesn't matter what you
do to a fish, they can't feel anything."
1491
01:20:36,122 --> 01:20:40,043
Or that they... Their consciousness,
they can't relate to pain,
1492
01:20:40,126 --> 01:20:42,254
or they can't sense danger in the future.
1493
01:20:42,337 --> 01:20:45,465
Well, they haven't really observed fish.
1494
01:20:45,549 --> 01:20:47,926
I think it's a justification
1495
01:20:48,009 --> 01:20:51,721
for doing dastardly things
to innocent creatures.
1496
01:20:52,681 --> 01:20:56,810
It's the only explanation I can think of
for treating fish
1497
01:20:56,893 --> 01:20:59,187
with such a barbaric attitude.
1498
01:20:59,771 --> 01:21:01,356
So you don't eat fish?
1499
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,526
Oh, I don't eat fish now, or any animal.
1500
01:21:05,652 --> 01:21:07,737
A scientific panel
for the European Union
1501
01:21:07,821 --> 01:21:11,491
concluded that fish do in fact feel pain
and experience fear.
1502
01:21:11,992 --> 01:21:14,077
Just like dolphins and whales,
1503
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,329
fish can also have complex social lives,
1504
01:21:16,413 --> 01:21:19,791
even teaming up with other species
to find food.
1505
01:21:19,875 --> 01:21:23,587
With research proving, once and for all,
the intelligence, memory capabilities,
1506
01:21:23,670 --> 01:21:25,213
and sentience of these animals,
1507
01:21:25,297 --> 01:21:28,258
fish, and even crustaceans,
were more like us
1508
01:21:28,341 --> 01:21:29,843
than we ever expected.
1509
01:21:29,926 --> 01:21:33,305
Fishes probably invented all
of the familiar senses to us.
1510
01:21:33,388 --> 01:21:35,265
Uh, they've been around a long time.
1511
01:21:35,348 --> 01:21:38,018
So they have excellent vision, hearing,
1512
01:21:38,101 --> 01:21:40,395
sense of touch, sense of smell and taste.
1513
01:21:40,478 --> 01:21:42,606
They have the right kind of pain receptors
1514
01:21:42,689 --> 01:21:45,901
for physical, chemical,
and heat types of pain,
1515
01:21:45,984 --> 01:21:47,736
the same three kinds that we have.
1516
01:21:48,528 --> 01:21:51,698
And also, there's evidence
that fishes show, uh, curiosity,
1517
01:21:51,781 --> 01:21:53,742
perhaps concern, perhaps, uh, fear,
1518
01:21:53,825 --> 01:21:56,536
when they can see other fishes
being taken out of their tanks,
1519
01:21:56,620 --> 01:21:59,164
and chopped up on a block
right outside the tank.
1520
01:21:59,247 --> 01:22:01,124
It could be family members,
or relatives,
1521
01:22:01,207 --> 01:22:04,502
or just individuals
who they've gotten to like over time.
1522
01:22:04,586 --> 01:22:08,798
There's emerging science on how animals
do use democratic decision-making.
1523
01:22:08,882 --> 01:22:12,552
One example is herrings, they have
a very curious way of communicating.
1524
01:22:12,636 --> 01:22:14,387
They actually fart to communicate.
1525
01:22:14,471 --> 01:22:17,641
So, if 60% of the herrings
in the school are farting,
1526
01:22:17,724 --> 01:22:20,602
then that means it's time to leave,
maybe not surprisingly.
1527
01:22:20,685 --> 01:22:23,813
But they actually use that
as a communication tool.
1528
01:22:25,565 --> 01:22:27,651
I can't keep a straight face.
1529
01:22:29,277 --> 01:22:30,528
As hilarious as that was,
1530
01:22:30,612 --> 01:22:34,032
I'd always been taught that seafood
was an important part of a healthy diet,
1531
01:22:34,115 --> 01:22:35,450
and I still had some questions.
1532
01:22:35,533 --> 01:22:38,745
What am I going to miss out on
if I stopped eating seafood?
1533
01:22:39,537 --> 01:22:41,456
Well, what you're gonna miss out on,
1534
01:22:41,539 --> 01:22:43,124
if you stopped eating seafood,
1535
01:22:43,208 --> 01:22:45,710
is you're gonna miss out on
all that toxic heavy metal.
1536
01:22:45,794 --> 01:22:46,795
Mercury, right?
1537
01:22:46,878 --> 01:22:50,340
You're gonna decrease your intake
of dioxins and PCBs,
1538
01:22:50,423 --> 01:22:52,801
these other, you know,
persistent organic pollutants.
1539
01:22:52,884 --> 01:22:54,844
The aquatic food chain
1540
01:22:54,928 --> 01:22:59,099
is the most concentrated source
of industrial pollutants.
1541
01:22:59,182 --> 01:23:00,725
The thought of clean fish?
1542
01:23:00,809 --> 01:23:03,770
There's just dirty fish
and then dirtier fish.
1543
01:23:03,853 --> 01:23:06,690
And so if you look at the number one
source of dioxin exposure,
1544
01:23:06,773 --> 01:23:09,234
of toxic heavy metal exposure,
PCB exposure,
1545
01:23:09,317 --> 01:23:10,860
of hexachlorobenzene,
1546
01:23:10,944 --> 01:23:13,655
plastics compounds,
flame-retardant chemicals...
1547
01:23:13,738 --> 01:23:15,532
I mean,
you name your industrial pollutant,
1548
01:23:15,615 --> 01:23:17,325
it's found most concentrated in fish.
1549
01:23:17,409 --> 01:23:22,122
Again, because that's just where
the pollutants eventually end up.
1550
01:23:22,205 --> 01:23:25,250
Mercury is totally a toxicant
to the body.
1551
01:23:25,333 --> 01:23:28,795
Let's say mercury from some industry
pollutes the air or the water.
1552
01:23:28,878 --> 01:23:32,549
Small bacteria, plankton,
they start picking up on the mercury.
1553
01:23:32,632 --> 01:23:34,968
And then, small creatures eat those.
1554
01:23:35,051 --> 01:23:38,388
Then you've got the smaller fish
eaten by the bigger fish, and so on.
1555
01:23:38,471 --> 01:23:41,516
In essence,
this is called bioaccumulation.
1556
01:23:41,599 --> 01:23:45,103
So there's other things in fish,
it's not just omega-3 fatty acids.
1557
01:23:45,186 --> 01:23:50,025
Those contaminants oftentimes
outweigh the benefits of the nutrients.
1558
01:23:50,108 --> 01:23:52,902
A common belief is
that fish are the best source
1559
01:23:52,986 --> 01:23:55,530
of these essential omega-3 fatty acids,
1560
01:23:56,114 --> 01:23:59,909
but people don't realize
that fish don't make omega-3 fatty acids.
1561
01:23:59,993 --> 01:24:03,288
It's the algae cells
that are making the omega-3 fats,
1562
01:24:03,371 --> 01:24:05,999
and the fish swallow the algae cells.
1563
01:24:06,082 --> 01:24:10,045
And the algal DHA is what winds up
in the fish's flesh,
1564
01:24:10,128 --> 01:24:12,714
that when we kill the fish,
and crush its flesh,
1565
01:24:12,797 --> 01:24:15,842
and squeeze out the "fish oil"
for the omega-3s,
1566
01:24:15,925 --> 01:24:18,470
it was really algae oil
in there all the time.
1567
01:24:18,553 --> 01:24:22,515
So why not just eat the algae that has
those great benefits we're looking for?
1568
01:24:22,599 --> 01:24:24,726
Why even mess with the middleman,
1569
01:24:24,809 --> 01:24:26,436
and just eat the direct source.
1570
01:24:26,519 --> 01:24:29,606
We started New Wave Foods
with the mission to disrupt seafood,
1571
01:24:29,689 --> 01:24:32,901
not oceans,
by creating seafood from sea plants.
1572
01:24:32,984 --> 01:24:36,112
So you're not gonna miss out on taste,
it's there for you. It's delicious.
1573
01:24:36,196 --> 01:24:39,449
But you will miss the cholesterol,
there's no PCBs,
1574
01:24:39,532 --> 01:24:42,535
no mercury, no heavy antibiotics.
1575
01:24:42,619 --> 01:24:45,955
You get the things you want from seafood,
but none of the negative things.
1576
01:24:46,039 --> 01:24:47,499
Plant-based solutions, I think,
1577
01:24:47,582 --> 01:24:50,794
is definitely one of the best options
that we have to go forward.
1578
01:24:50,877 --> 01:24:55,006
Traditional animal agriculture,
raising cows and chickens on land,
1579
01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:56,382
have huge impacts in the ocean.
1580
01:24:56,466 --> 01:24:59,677
The runoff from those procedures
create dead zones in the environment.
1581
01:24:59,761 --> 01:25:02,388
And fishing and fish farming, too.
So if we can find alternatives
1582
01:25:02,472 --> 01:25:05,016
that are just as delicious,
just as healthy for you,
1583
01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:08,061
but better for the environment,
why wouldn't we do it?
1584
01:25:08,645 --> 01:25:10,647
My journey had taken me far.
1585
01:25:10,730 --> 01:25:13,525
And despite witnessing
catastrophic destruction,
1586
01:25:13,608 --> 01:25:16,528
I had more admiration for the ocean
than ever before.
1587
01:25:17,028 --> 01:25:19,197
I felt empowered by what I'd learned,
1588
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,908
and couldn't wait to put it into practice.
1589
01:25:21,991 --> 01:25:24,410
Although I still pick up trash on beaches,
1590
01:25:24,494 --> 01:25:27,580
and have embarked on a project
to continue investigating
1591
01:25:27,664 --> 01:25:30,041
and reporting on environmental issues,
1592
01:25:30,125 --> 01:25:32,293
with so many plant-based alternatives
1593
01:25:32,377 --> 01:25:35,630
emerging for almost every seafood product
I could imagine...
1594
01:25:37,173 --> 01:25:41,302
I realized the single best thing
I could do every single day
1595
01:25:41,386 --> 01:25:44,556
to protect the ocean
and the marine life I loved,
1596
01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:45,639
was to simply...
1597
01:25:46,182 --> 01:25:47,308
not eat them.
1598
01:25:48,518 --> 01:25:50,895
If we protect more
and fish less,
1599
01:25:50,979 --> 01:25:52,939
and restore that kind of balance
1600
01:25:53,022 --> 01:25:54,649
and healthy ecosystem,
1601
01:25:54,732 --> 01:25:57,986
they've got a good chance of making it
through the tough times ahead.
1602
01:25:58,069 --> 01:25:59,320
There is real hope here
1603
01:25:59,404 --> 01:26:03,491
because marine ecosystems
bounce back so quickly
1604
01:26:03,575 --> 01:26:04,575
if they're allowed to.
1605
01:26:05,118 --> 01:26:07,287
You would see the reefs coming back,
1606
01:26:07,370 --> 01:26:11,624
you would see
these incredible shoals of fish returning,
1607
01:26:11,708 --> 01:26:14,586
you would see the whales
returning to our coast.
1608
01:26:14,669 --> 01:26:17,046
This is within our grasp.
1609
01:26:17,130 --> 01:26:18,506
We can do this.
1610
01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:21,176
The prospects for marine recovery,
1611
01:26:21,259 --> 01:26:23,928
for rewilding, are incredibly exciting,
1612
01:26:24,012 --> 01:26:27,765
but it can only happen
if very large areas of sea
1613
01:26:28,349 --> 01:26:30,935
are closed to commercial fishing.
1614
01:26:31,019 --> 01:26:34,147
And while governments
are not prepared to take action,
1615
01:26:34,230 --> 01:26:37,442
and while the industry
is basically unregulated,
1616
01:26:37,525 --> 01:26:39,485
the only ethical thing to do
1617
01:26:40,195 --> 01:26:41,696
is to stop eating fish.
1618
01:26:41,779 --> 01:26:47,785
It isn't too late to take the best hope
we will ever have
1619
01:26:47,869 --> 01:26:49,913
of having a home in this universe.
1620
01:26:49,996 --> 01:26:53,333
To respect what we've got,
to protect what remains,
1621
01:26:53,416 --> 01:26:55,335
don't let any of the pieces escape.
1622
01:26:55,919 --> 01:26:58,338
Most of the positive and negative things
1623
01:26:58,421 --> 01:27:01,257
that bring about change
in human civilization
1624
01:27:01,341 --> 01:27:02,800
start with someone.
1625
01:27:03,509 --> 01:27:04,677
Some "one."
1626
01:27:05,511 --> 01:27:08,097
And no one can do everything,
1627
01:27:08,181 --> 01:27:11,893
but every one can do something.
1628
01:27:12,435 --> 01:27:13,770
And sometimes,
1629
01:27:14,270 --> 01:27:16,773
big ideas make a big difference.
1630
01:27:16,856 --> 01:27:18,816
That's what we can do.
1631
01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:21,569
That's what you can do right now.
1632
01:27:22,028 --> 01:27:24,489
Look in the mirror, figure it out.
1633
01:27:24,572 --> 01:27:25,572
Go for it.
1634
01:27:42,548 --> 01:27:45,134
♪ You see the truth ♪
1635
01:27:46,052 --> 01:27:47,845
♪ Always finds a way ♪
1636
01:27:49,013 --> 01:27:53,476
♪ To rise above the waves
And I'm scared ♪
1637
01:27:53,559 --> 01:27:55,895
♪ To see what I've become ♪
1638
01:27:56,521 --> 01:27:57,981
♪ All I was ♪
1639
01:27:58,481 --> 01:28:01,359
♪ Like a whale ♪
1640
01:28:02,151 --> 01:28:05,488
♪ Gasping for air ♪
1641
01:28:06,197 --> 01:28:10,118
♪ I'm diving deep ♪
1642
01:28:10,201 --> 01:28:12,078
♪ I'm diving deep ♪
1643
01:28:12,161 --> 01:28:15,081
♪ Motions of emotions
Motions of emotions ♪
1644
01:28:15,164 --> 01:28:19,127
♪ Motions of emotions
Motions of emotions ♪
1645
01:28:19,210 --> 01:28:23,089
♪ Motions of emotions
Motions of emotions ♪
1646
01:28:23,172 --> 01:28:27,135
♪ Motions of emotions
Motions of emotions ♪
1647
01:28:27,218 --> 01:28:29,846
♪ Take me over the oceans ♪
1648
01:28:29,929 --> 01:28:32,140
♪ That I believe ♪
1649
01:28:34,684 --> 01:28:40,982
♪ It's the only thing
That's been honest to me ♪
1650
01:28:43,109 --> 01:28:45,820
♪ Take me over the oceans ♪
1651
01:28:45,903 --> 01:28:49,532
♪ That I believe ♪
1652
01:28:50,700 --> 01:28:54,620
♪ It's the only thing
That's been honest ♪
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