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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:42,959 --> 00:00:45,879 When ships are in the middle of the ocean... 2 00:00:47,172 --> 00:00:49,299 ...where problems occur... 3 00:00:50,842 --> 00:00:53,178 they can throw you overboard 4 00:00:53,261 --> 00:00:54,261 into the sea. 5 00:00:55,263 --> 00:00:59,267 It is dangerous for you to make this documentary. 6 00:00:59,350 --> 00:01:02,145 There are many risks. 7 00:01:08,902 --> 00:01:12,155 If you're scared of dying, go home. 8 00:01:36,262 --> 00:01:37,722 My name is Ali. 9 00:01:38,223 --> 00:01:39,223 That's me. 10 00:01:39,641 --> 00:01:41,559 And for as long as I can remember, 11 00:01:41,643 --> 00:01:45,063 I've been fascinated with dolphins and whales. 12 00:01:46,523 --> 00:01:48,483 My obsession with the ocean, though, 13 00:01:48,566 --> 00:01:51,111 was really born out of watching documentaries 14 00:01:51,194 --> 00:01:53,696 from people like Jacques Cousteau, 15 00:01:53,780 --> 00:01:56,449 David Attenborough, and Sylvia Earle. 16 00:01:57,075 --> 00:02:00,662 Watching their films opened up a whole new world for me, 17 00:02:01,329 --> 00:02:03,581 filled with an abundance of beauty, 18 00:02:03,665 --> 00:02:05,416 color, and life. 19 00:02:06,376 --> 00:02:09,879 I would dream of one day exploring our thriving seas 20 00:02:09,963 --> 00:02:11,131 just like they did. 21 00:02:11,214 --> 00:02:14,175 Capturing images of all the extraordinary wildlife 22 00:02:14,259 --> 00:02:15,969 that lived beneath the waves. 23 00:02:18,096 --> 00:02:21,474 After finishing college, I'd been working on other documentaries, 24 00:02:21,558 --> 00:02:24,018 but at 22, I was ready to embark on making my own film 25 00:02:24,102 --> 00:02:26,354 on just how incredible the oceans were. 26 00:02:31,734 --> 00:02:35,113 It's home for up to 80% of all life on Earth. 27 00:02:35,947 --> 00:02:39,409 And with the vast majority of our seas still unexplored till this day, 28 00:02:39,492 --> 00:02:44,289 for me, the oceans were an indestructible source of inspiration. 29 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,376 But not long into starting the project, 30 00:02:48,459 --> 00:02:52,755 this romantic vision that I always had of the ocean completely changed. 31 00:02:53,590 --> 00:02:56,467 ...beached whale found off the country's coast earlier this week 32 00:02:56,551 --> 00:02:59,721 had more than 30 plastic bags inside its stomach. 33 00:02:59,804 --> 00:03:03,474 It's the 29th whale of this species to become stranded across Europe 34 00:03:03,558 --> 00:03:04,684 in the last two weeks. 35 00:03:04,767 --> 00:03:07,645 This represents the largest stranding episode in the last 100 years. 36 00:03:07,729 --> 00:03:10,690 - ...washed up on a beach... - In the UK, 4 others died 37 00:03:10,773 --> 00:03:14,027 in a number of beachings nearby in recent days... 38 00:03:14,110 --> 00:03:17,447 When news started coming in of whales washing up on beaches, 39 00:03:17,530 --> 00:03:20,200 even along the Southeast coast of England where I lived, 40 00:03:20,283 --> 00:03:23,203 I was forced to confront a side of the story I never knew. 41 00:03:23,912 --> 00:03:28,041 A story of just how huge our impact on the seas had become. 42 00:03:28,124 --> 00:03:31,836 These animals washing up with their stomachs filled with plastic 43 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:36,549 was devastating not only because of their incredible intelligence, 44 00:03:37,175 --> 00:03:40,553 but because they even help keep the entire ocean alive. 45 00:03:41,346 --> 00:03:43,765 When dolphins and whales return to the surface to breathe, 46 00:03:43,848 --> 00:03:47,227 they fertilize tiny marine plants in the ocean called phytoplankton, 47 00:03:47,310 --> 00:03:51,231 which every year absorb four times the amount of carbon dioxide 48 00:03:51,314 --> 00:03:53,107 than the Amazon rain forest does, 49 00:03:53,191 --> 00:03:56,945 and generates up to 85% of the oxygen we breathe. 50 00:03:58,905 --> 00:04:01,950 So in a world concerned with carbon and climate change, 51 00:04:02,033 --> 00:04:05,662 protecting these animals meant protecting the entire planet. 52 00:04:06,246 --> 00:04:09,165 The way I saw it was if dolphins and whales die, 53 00:04:09,249 --> 00:04:10,625 the ocean dies. 54 00:04:10,708 --> 00:04:12,877 And if the ocean dies, so do we. 55 00:04:12,961 --> 00:04:16,422 But with so many whales washing up dead, the future looked bleak. 56 00:04:17,048 --> 00:04:20,134 Plastic was invading every last corner of the world's seas, 57 00:04:20,677 --> 00:04:24,597 with huge floating garbage patches accumulating in the middle of the ocean, 58 00:04:24,681 --> 00:04:27,267 like the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. 59 00:04:27,350 --> 00:04:28,434 In fact, today, 60 00:04:28,518 --> 00:04:31,396 the equivalent of a garbage truckload of plastic 61 00:04:31,479 --> 00:04:34,190 is dumped in the sea every single minute, 62 00:04:34,274 --> 00:04:39,737 joining the over 150 million tons already floating there. 63 00:04:39,821 --> 00:04:44,409 But this plastic breaks down into smaller and smaller pieces known as microplastics, 64 00:04:44,492 --> 00:04:47,412 which now outnumber the stars in the Milky Way galaxy 65 00:04:47,495 --> 00:04:49,664 by at least 500 times, 66 00:04:49,747 --> 00:04:52,875 and is seeping into every living creature in the ocean. 67 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:56,921 Essentially, our oceans have turned into a toxic plastic soup. 68 00:04:57,505 --> 00:05:00,633 And worst of all, I was a massive part of the problem. 69 00:05:01,634 --> 00:05:05,430 Although I signed petitions and subscribed to ocean newsletters, 70 00:05:05,513 --> 00:05:08,141 I did nothing to actually protect what I loved. 71 00:05:08,224 --> 00:05:09,517 So from then on, 72 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,895 I did what any self-respecting Jacques Cousteau wannabe would do. 73 00:05:12,979 --> 00:05:15,523 I became the plastic police. 74 00:05:15,606 --> 00:05:18,985 I donated to every ocean charity I could. 75 00:05:20,778 --> 00:05:22,113 Attended beach cleanups, 76 00:05:22,196 --> 00:05:25,992 and carried reusable cutlery and a drink bottle wherever I went. 77 00:05:26,075 --> 00:05:27,327 My mission was simple. 78 00:05:27,410 --> 00:05:29,912 Stop the world from using plastic toothbrushes, 79 00:05:29,996 --> 00:05:32,165 straws, cutlery, bottles, bags, 80 00:05:32,248 --> 00:05:34,292 or anything single-use plastic. 81 00:05:34,375 --> 00:05:37,378 And I was gonna stop at nothing until my message was heard. 82 00:05:37,462 --> 00:05:39,464 Seaside Fish and Chips. 83 00:05:39,547 --> 00:05:41,132 Yeah, hi. My name's Ali. 84 00:05:41,215 --> 00:05:43,885 I'm just wondering if you'd swap out your plastic straws 85 00:05:43,968 --> 00:05:46,095 'cause it's killing whales and baby sea turtles. 86 00:05:47,555 --> 00:05:48,473 Hello? 87 00:05:48,556 --> 00:05:51,392 But that didn't stop me from tackling this plague of plastic. 88 00:05:51,476 --> 00:05:54,771 So, this is my first beach. In just one hour, 89 00:05:54,854 --> 00:05:57,774 I've been able to collect three whole bags full of plastic trash. 90 00:05:57,857 --> 00:05:59,901 There's takeaway food packaging, 91 00:05:59,984 --> 00:06:02,403 there's cutlery, there's straws, there's everything. 92 00:06:02,487 --> 00:06:04,030 I even found Nemo. 93 00:06:04,614 --> 00:06:05,948 Onto the next beach. 94 00:06:07,408 --> 00:06:09,035 But no matter what beach I went to 95 00:06:09,118 --> 00:06:10,661 or how much I collected, 96 00:06:11,204 --> 00:06:14,082 there was always more plastic, and more animals washing up. 97 00:06:14,582 --> 00:06:16,292 After months of this, 98 00:06:16,376 --> 00:06:19,837 and as I began to wonder if this really was the best way to save marine life, 99 00:06:19,921 --> 00:06:21,672 I came across this. 100 00:06:22,298 --> 00:06:26,135 Japan has confirmed it will resume commercial whale hunting, 101 00:06:26,219 --> 00:06:29,180 and is withdrawing from the International Whaling Commission. 102 00:06:29,263 --> 00:06:32,975 The country's whaling fleet set sail for the Antarctic last Tuesday. 103 00:06:33,059 --> 00:06:36,771 Tokyo says it plans to kill despite a worldwide ban. 104 00:06:37,605 --> 00:06:40,441 So, this is the news I woke up to today. 105 00:06:40,525 --> 00:06:43,861 The Japanese government want to resume whaling in the Antarctic again. 106 00:06:43,945 --> 00:06:46,906 I knew that dolphins and whales were dying accidentally from plastic, 107 00:06:46,989 --> 00:06:49,867 but I never dreamed that they'd be targeted on purpose 108 00:06:49,951 --> 00:06:53,246 by an industry I thought only existed in the history books. 109 00:06:53,329 --> 00:06:58,084 I did some research and found there's been an international whaling ban since 1986. 110 00:06:58,167 --> 00:07:01,587 However, several countries have operated under the radar for years, 111 00:07:01,671 --> 00:07:03,923 most notoriously, though, is Japan. 112 00:07:04,799 --> 00:07:08,302 Logistically, it was extremely challenging to film or do anything 113 00:07:08,386 --> 00:07:09,971 about the whaling in Antarctica. 114 00:07:10,054 --> 00:07:13,099 But I found there was one place in the south of Japan 115 00:07:13,182 --> 00:07:16,185 where this industry could still be seen operating from the coast, 116 00:07:16,269 --> 00:07:17,979 in a place called Taiji, 117 00:07:18,062 --> 00:07:23,317 where each year over 700 dolphins and small whales are herded into a cove 118 00:07:23,401 --> 00:07:24,444 for slaughter. 119 00:07:24,527 --> 00:07:25,653 I wanted to find out 120 00:07:25,736 --> 00:07:28,364 just how big of a threat Japan's whaling practices were 121 00:07:28,448 --> 00:07:29,740 compared to plastic. 122 00:07:31,075 --> 00:07:33,619 So I set up a meeting with one of the few activists 123 00:07:33,703 --> 00:07:37,999 who'd been involved in this issue for years, a guy named Ric O'Barry. 124 00:07:38,082 --> 00:07:40,751 The Japanese government go through a lot of trouble 125 00:07:40,835 --> 00:07:43,963 to make sure that people don't know about this. 126 00:07:44,046 --> 00:07:47,091 If you went there, and you didn't know what you were doing, 127 00:07:47,175 --> 00:07:50,344 you could get arrested, and you could be in jail a very long time. 128 00:07:50,428 --> 00:07:52,305 Because they're trying to get rid of people 129 00:07:52,388 --> 00:07:55,475 who are opposed to their war on dolphins. 130 00:07:55,558 --> 00:07:57,393 When you first show up in Taiji, 131 00:07:57,477 --> 00:08:00,104 immediately, the police are on you. 132 00:08:00,188 --> 00:08:03,065 They're at your hotel. They're following you everywhere you go. 133 00:08:03,608 --> 00:08:05,526 You got the Yakuza, you got the right wing, 134 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:09,113 you got the government, the fishermen, you got everybody against you. 135 00:08:09,197 --> 00:08:11,032 The room is bugged, the telephone is bugged. 136 00:08:11,115 --> 00:08:13,659 The television is actually photographing you 137 00:08:13,743 --> 00:08:15,036 while you're in your room. 138 00:08:15,119 --> 00:08:18,706 So you ask what, how... What happens when you go to Taiji? 139 00:08:18,789 --> 00:08:21,501 Just know that all of those people are watching you, 140 00:08:21,584 --> 00:08:23,127 and they are trying to figure out, 141 00:08:23,211 --> 00:08:25,171 "How do we take these people out?" 142 00:08:25,254 --> 00:08:27,465 But if it's so risky to go, 143 00:08:27,548 --> 00:08:30,259 and there are other issues affecting the entire ocean, 144 00:08:30,343 --> 00:08:33,888 like plastic washing up everywhere, then why go to Taiji? 145 00:08:33,971 --> 00:08:36,641 Showing up in Taiji with a camera is extremely important. 146 00:08:36,724 --> 00:08:38,059 If we can't fix this, 147 00:08:38,142 --> 00:08:41,229 what are you talking about, saving the ocean? 148 00:08:41,312 --> 00:08:43,314 How can you do that? You can't even fix this. 149 00:08:43,397 --> 00:08:45,441 This is the size of a football field. 150 00:08:47,568 --> 00:08:49,570 My head was still filled with questions, 151 00:08:49,654 --> 00:08:51,254 but with the dolphin hunt just starting, 152 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,699 I knew that figuring out what was going on in Taiji 153 00:08:53,783 --> 00:08:56,369 would give me a better understanding of the bigger picture 154 00:08:56,452 --> 00:08:57,620 of how to save the ocean. 155 00:08:57,703 --> 00:09:00,790 Either I stayed home picking up trash on beaches all day, 156 00:09:00,873 --> 00:09:05,002 or take a risk and find out if there was a bigger threat to the sea. 157 00:09:05,586 --> 00:09:07,380 So I dropped all my other projects, 158 00:09:07,463 --> 00:09:11,050 packed my camera bags, convinced my partner Lucy to join me, 159 00:09:11,634 --> 00:09:15,012 and with the mission to expose what was truly happening to our oceans, 160 00:09:15,096 --> 00:09:17,223 got the next flight out to Japan. 161 00:09:44,792 --> 00:09:46,210 Where are you going today? 162 00:09:46,294 --> 00:09:48,629 Oh, we just arrived. We're just visiting the area. 163 00:09:55,636 --> 00:09:58,097 - Holiday? - Holiday. Yeah. 164 00:09:58,180 --> 00:09:59,056 Drive safe. 165 00:09:59,140 --> 00:10:00,140 Thank you. 166 00:10:01,976 --> 00:10:02,976 What the hell? 167 00:10:04,270 --> 00:10:07,231 From that point on, we had an entourage of police, 168 00:10:07,315 --> 00:10:09,692 secret service, undercover cops, 169 00:10:09,775 --> 00:10:12,320 and the coast guard following us everywhere. 170 00:10:20,453 --> 00:10:21,537 Is it the police? 171 00:10:22,121 --> 00:10:24,457 Yeah, they're out there. Let's go out the back. 172 00:10:36,344 --> 00:10:37,928 So, arrived in Taiji, 173 00:10:38,012 --> 00:10:40,931 and first thing in the morning, decided to head to the harbor. 174 00:10:41,015 --> 00:10:43,267 Pretty quickly, boats start heading out to sea. 175 00:10:43,351 --> 00:10:47,813 There was about 13 of them in total, and they were gone for several hours. 176 00:10:47,897 --> 00:10:50,066 When they returned, they returned in formation 177 00:10:50,149 --> 00:10:52,485 and were billowing black smoke from their exhaust pipes. 178 00:10:53,235 --> 00:10:55,363 And banging on poles in the water 179 00:10:55,446 --> 00:10:58,532 to try and scare a huge pod of dolphins closer to land, 180 00:10:58,616 --> 00:11:02,119 and then maneuver them into a cove where I'm standing above right now. 181 00:11:02,203 --> 00:11:04,288 It's impossible to see exactly what's going on. 182 00:11:04,372 --> 00:11:05,831 There's a lot of splashing. 183 00:11:05,915 --> 00:11:07,958 There's people down there wrestling these dolphins. 184 00:11:08,042 --> 00:11:09,962 Whatever is going on, they don't want us filming. 185 00:11:10,044 --> 00:11:11,712 Police are trying to search for us. 186 00:11:13,005 --> 00:11:15,508 It's really tough conditions to try and film this stuff. 187 00:11:40,991 --> 00:11:44,954 The Taiji dolphin drives continue to be supported, 188 00:11:45,037 --> 00:11:49,500 underwritten, funded by the marine park entertainment industry. 189 00:11:49,583 --> 00:11:53,003 A live dolphin really is very expensive. 190 00:11:53,087 --> 00:11:54,130 And so, 191 00:11:54,213 --> 00:11:58,884 the big ticket is catching young dolphins and whales, 192 00:11:58,968 --> 00:12:01,512 and selling them to marine parks. 193 00:12:01,595 --> 00:12:04,682 What captivity in concrete tanks does 194 00:12:04,765 --> 00:12:08,978 is it takes away everything that makes life worth living for them. 195 00:12:09,562 --> 00:12:12,690 Everything they need to do, they can't do. 196 00:12:12,773 --> 00:12:16,193 And everything they don't want to do, they're forced to do. 197 00:12:17,153 --> 00:12:19,780 I had enjoyed going to these marine parks my whole life, 198 00:12:19,864 --> 00:12:23,534 but never even questioned how the animals got there in the first place. 199 00:12:24,243 --> 00:12:26,996 But now, knowing it was connected to industries like whaling 200 00:12:27,079 --> 00:12:29,498 made me pledge to never go to these parks again. 201 00:12:30,666 --> 00:12:32,835 But every day in Taiji was like Groundhog Day, 202 00:12:32,918 --> 00:12:35,421 witnessing boats go out, dolphins driven in, 203 00:12:35,504 --> 00:12:38,507 and the inevitable capture and mass slaughter of the pod 204 00:12:38,591 --> 00:12:41,010 again, and again, and again. 205 00:12:46,932 --> 00:12:49,810 Before we knew it, we'd been in Taiji for over a week, 206 00:12:49,894 --> 00:12:53,272 but still couldn't figure out why on Earth they were killing them, 207 00:12:53,355 --> 00:12:56,150 since dead dolphins don't perform tricks. 208 00:12:58,194 --> 00:13:00,237 Lucy, show me again what you just found out. 209 00:13:00,321 --> 00:13:02,740 I've just been doing the maths from the data online, 210 00:13:02,823 --> 00:13:06,368 and from 2000 to 2015, for every one dolphin captured, 211 00:13:06,452 --> 00:13:08,996 at least 12 more were killed. It doesn't make any sense. 212 00:13:09,079 --> 00:13:11,332 I don't know why they're killing all these dolphins. 213 00:13:12,416 --> 00:13:16,796 So, if the annual Taiji dolphin drive is fueled by the captivity industry, 214 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:18,130 it begs the question, 215 00:13:18,214 --> 00:13:20,883 "Why kill the dolphins that aren't selected for captivity?" 216 00:13:20,966 --> 00:13:23,010 There's very little reason to slaughter them. 217 00:13:23,093 --> 00:13:25,012 There's no market for dolphin meat. 218 00:13:25,095 --> 00:13:27,264 Why not just release them back into the sea? 219 00:13:27,348 --> 00:13:30,768 And the answer to that question is pest control. 220 00:13:30,851 --> 00:13:34,355 The fishermen view the dolphins as competition. 221 00:13:34,438 --> 00:13:36,190 They feel that they eat too many fish, 222 00:13:36,273 --> 00:13:38,150 and if they get rid of the dolphins, 223 00:13:38,234 --> 00:13:40,694 there will be more fish available for them to catch. 224 00:13:40,778 --> 00:13:45,324 Essentially, the slaughter of these dolphins is a reaction 225 00:13:45,407 --> 00:13:48,410 to the overfishing that's happening here in Taiji. 226 00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:53,249 If this was true, that dolphins were being blamed for the overfishing, 227 00:13:53,332 --> 00:13:56,335 then boycotting marine parks wasn't gonna stop this. 228 00:13:56,418 --> 00:13:59,171 So to find out more, we decided to visit a local fishing port 229 00:13:59,255 --> 00:14:00,965 just a stone's throw from Taiji. 230 00:14:04,552 --> 00:14:07,388 However, upon arrival, we quickly learned 231 00:14:07,471 --> 00:14:09,473 this wasn't just any fishing port. 232 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:16,105 Ali. Ali, what is it? 233 00:14:17,147 --> 00:14:18,357 This is just tuna. 234 00:14:19,108 --> 00:14:20,526 This is the tuna industry. 235 00:14:21,402 --> 00:14:25,739 We had just stumbled across one of the largest tuna ports in the world, 236 00:14:25,823 --> 00:14:27,825 which landed bluefin tuna, 237 00:14:27,908 --> 00:14:30,286 the most expensive fish on the planet. 238 00:14:30,369 --> 00:14:33,539 Just one of these fish sold in Tokyo's fish market 239 00:14:33,622 --> 00:14:35,916 for over three million dollars. 240 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,376 I had read about these fish. 241 00:14:37,459 --> 00:14:39,169 They were like the cheetahs of the ocean, 242 00:14:39,253 --> 00:14:42,548 warm-blooded, and can accelerate faster than a Ferrari. 243 00:14:42,631 --> 00:14:46,760 But due to high prices, the only direction they were accelerating in 244 00:14:46,844 --> 00:14:48,095 was into extinction. 245 00:14:48,637 --> 00:14:52,141 Today, less than 3% of the species remain. 246 00:14:52,224 --> 00:14:54,643 They were once thriving just decades ago. 247 00:14:59,690 --> 00:15:02,067 It's not just bluefin though, it's all tuna. 248 00:15:02,651 --> 00:15:05,362 There's everything here. This is sold around the world. 249 00:15:05,446 --> 00:15:09,617 This is a $42-billion-a-year industry. And it's at threat from overfishing. 250 00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:11,702 Of course they're gonna blame the dolphins. 251 00:15:11,785 --> 00:15:13,579 The excuse of killing dolphins 252 00:15:13,662 --> 00:15:16,790 for the crime of eating too many fish was a lie. 253 00:15:16,874 --> 00:15:19,418 In reality, what they were doing was killing dolphins 254 00:15:19,501 --> 00:15:21,170 as a scapegoat for the overfishing. 255 00:15:21,253 --> 00:15:23,839 That way, they can continue participating 256 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:26,091 in the multibillion-dollar tuna industry, 257 00:15:26,175 --> 00:15:29,136 and wash off any ecological responsibility. 258 00:15:29,219 --> 00:15:31,764 I learned one of the world's largest tuna companies 259 00:15:31,847 --> 00:15:33,265 belonged to Mitsubishi, 260 00:15:33,349 --> 00:15:36,769 who control 40% of the world's endangered bluefin. 261 00:15:36,852 --> 00:15:38,687 Since they were based in Japan, 262 00:15:38,771 --> 00:15:41,398 we surprised them by showing up at their head office. 263 00:15:42,441 --> 00:15:44,401 I was wondering if we could do a quick interview. 264 00:15:44,485 --> 00:15:47,988 We have questions about why your company is wiping out an endangered species, 265 00:15:48,072 --> 00:15:50,157 and how that's connected to killing dolphins. 266 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,786 - Our company refused, so... - Yeah. 267 00:15:53,869 --> 00:15:55,663 Your company refuses all interviews? 268 00:15:55,746 --> 00:15:57,039 Yes, all interviews. 269 00:15:57,581 --> 00:16:00,834 We're asked to turn our cameras off, and leave immediately. 270 00:16:02,127 --> 00:16:03,420 Back at the fishing port, 271 00:16:03,504 --> 00:16:07,716 I noticed that tuna weren't the only highly-prized species they were landing. 272 00:16:11,595 --> 00:16:13,847 Sharks were everywhere, 273 00:16:14,556 --> 00:16:16,850 and they were all having their fins sliced off. 274 00:16:20,229 --> 00:16:21,855 Turn off the video! 275 00:16:22,690 --> 00:16:25,067 Shut! 276 00:16:25,859 --> 00:16:28,445 - Camera shut! - Why don't you want me filming? 277 00:16:30,155 --> 00:16:34,159 The shark-finning industry is a multi-billion dollar industry 278 00:16:34,243 --> 00:16:37,955 and is oftentimes heavily criminally involved 279 00:16:38,038 --> 00:16:40,082 and Mafia-esque run. 280 00:16:40,165 --> 00:16:42,793 They don't want people with cameras sniffing around 281 00:16:42,876 --> 00:16:44,628 because they don't wanna get exposed 282 00:16:44,712 --> 00:16:47,214 for all of the shady things that they do. 283 00:16:47,297 --> 00:16:50,217 So sharks around the world are being killed for their fins. 284 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:53,554 These fins are being shipped to Asia, and predominantly China, 285 00:16:53,637 --> 00:16:54,680 for shark fin soup, 286 00:16:54,763 --> 00:16:56,390 which is held as a status symbol. 287 00:16:56,473 --> 00:17:00,019 It has no nutritional benefits, it really doesn't taste like much, 288 00:17:00,102 --> 00:17:02,855 and it can cost anywhere upwards of $100 a bowl. 289 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,190 Seeing so many sharks finned, 290 00:17:05,274 --> 00:17:07,901 and being kicked out of the port just for filming, 291 00:17:07,985 --> 00:17:09,403 only made me want to learn more. 292 00:17:09,486 --> 00:17:12,948 Since we had discovered all we could about dolphin hunting in Taiji, 293 00:17:13,032 --> 00:17:16,702 we decided to follow the shark story to try and understand what impact 294 00:17:16,785 --> 00:17:19,121 this industry was having on the world's oceans. 295 00:17:22,666 --> 00:17:25,836 Just a hop over the ocean from Japan is Hong Kong, 296 00:17:25,919 --> 00:17:28,130 otherwise known as Shark Fin City. 297 00:17:28,213 --> 00:17:31,091 We arrived to find streets filled with shark fins, 298 00:17:31,175 --> 00:17:34,386 and huge quantities being offloaded from trucks on every corner. 299 00:17:36,221 --> 00:17:38,557 We tried to film the fins up close, 300 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,934 but were met with the same response as before. 301 00:17:41,852 --> 00:17:42,978 Go, go! No, no! 302 00:17:44,229 --> 00:17:47,733 We can't film? 303 00:17:49,276 --> 00:17:50,903 Are you gonna hit me with a chair? 304 00:17:51,904 --> 00:17:53,155 All right, we're going. 305 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:56,241 - No photography? - No. 306 00:17:56,325 --> 00:17:58,368 - Why? Why you are filming? - Huh? 307 00:17:58,452 --> 00:17:59,953 Why you are taking the photo? 308 00:18:00,037 --> 00:18:01,663 You didn't get any permission. 309 00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:02,664 Delete the photo. 310 00:18:02,748 --> 00:18:03,748 Delete first. 311 00:18:03,957 --> 00:18:05,125 Hey, hey, hey! 312 00:18:06,794 --> 00:18:10,047 Filming in Shark Fin City was proving harder than we thought. 313 00:18:10,130 --> 00:18:14,551 So in order to see these fins up close, we got ourselves some spy cameras. 314 00:18:21,850 --> 00:18:23,560 Wow. 315 00:18:28,398 --> 00:18:30,359 I used to be scared of sharks as a kid. 316 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:35,155 People should not be afraid of having sharks in the ocean. 317 00:18:35,239 --> 00:18:37,991 They should be afraid of not having sharks in the ocean. 318 00:18:38,075 --> 00:18:40,202 The sharks keep the oceans healthy. 319 00:18:40,285 --> 00:18:43,247 They keep the fish stocks healthy. They keep the ecosystems alive. 320 00:18:43,330 --> 00:18:44,957 They keep the coral reefs alive. 321 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,542 If we don't have these sharks, 322 00:18:46,625 --> 00:18:49,128 if these sharks get finned into extinction, 323 00:18:49,211 --> 00:18:50,796 the ocean's gonna turn into a swamp. 324 00:18:50,879 --> 00:18:52,506 And guess who's gonna die next? 325 00:18:52,589 --> 00:18:53,423 Us. 326 00:18:53,507 --> 00:18:57,010 And a lot of people would think I'd be the last person to stand up for sharks. 327 00:18:57,094 --> 00:19:00,722 I was attacked by a shark after serving 12 years in the military. 328 00:19:00,806 --> 00:19:02,891 I was on a counter-terrorism exercise 329 00:19:02,975 --> 00:19:05,269 in Sydney Harbor, and a bull shark attacked me. 330 00:19:05,352 --> 00:19:07,187 But knowledge dispels fear. 331 00:19:07,271 --> 00:19:09,982 And through necessity, I learned about the plight of sharks 332 00:19:10,065 --> 00:19:13,068 through working within the shark filming industry 333 00:19:13,152 --> 00:19:14,236 over the last decade. 334 00:19:14,778 --> 00:19:17,656 It turned out sharks were just as important 335 00:19:17,739 --> 00:19:18,907 as dolphins and whales 336 00:19:18,991 --> 00:19:20,659 in keeping the ocean alive. 337 00:19:22,494 --> 00:19:24,246 But for the first time ever, 338 00:19:24,329 --> 00:19:27,541 sharks were in danger of going extinct because of us. 339 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:32,171 Like bluefin tuna, shark populations were crashing, 340 00:19:32,254 --> 00:19:35,257 with species like thresher, bull, and hammerhead sharks 341 00:19:35,340 --> 00:19:39,011 losing up to 80 to 99% of their populations 342 00:19:39,094 --> 00:19:40,721 in just the last few decades. 343 00:19:40,804 --> 00:19:44,474 And it was causing other unlikely species to die out with them. 344 00:19:44,975 --> 00:19:47,853 Over the period that we've been monitoring seabirds, 345 00:19:47,936 --> 00:19:49,938 since about 1950, 346 00:19:50,022 --> 00:19:53,692 the abundance of seabirds has declined by about 70%. 347 00:19:53,775 --> 00:19:56,653 And if you look at how they feed, you can understand why. 348 00:19:56,737 --> 00:19:59,948 And what they do is they kind of lightly dip down to the sea, 349 00:20:00,032 --> 00:20:02,534 and they pick little fish off the surface. 350 00:20:02,618 --> 00:20:04,536 And where seabirds are doing their best 351 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:07,122 is where predatory fish are driving shoals 352 00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:10,167 of tiny bait fish to the surface, where the terns can get them. 353 00:20:10,250 --> 00:20:12,127 When you overfish the predators, 354 00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:14,504 they no longer drive the shoals 355 00:20:14,588 --> 00:20:16,965 to the surface, so there's not enough food for the birds. 356 00:20:17,049 --> 00:20:20,385 So the loss of fish across the world's oceans is bringing us 357 00:20:20,969 --> 00:20:25,682 into direct competition with whales, dolphins, seabirds, for prey, 358 00:20:25,766 --> 00:20:29,019 and that's causing their populations to decline even further. 359 00:20:29,686 --> 00:20:31,396 Sharks are apex predators. 360 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,815 So they're at the very, very top of the food chain. 361 00:20:33,899 --> 00:20:35,734 They are what I call level one. 362 00:20:36,401 --> 00:20:37,819 They eat level two. 363 00:20:37,903 --> 00:20:40,239 They eat the poor, the sick, the weak of level two. 364 00:20:40,322 --> 00:20:42,032 But when you take away level one, 365 00:20:42,616 --> 00:20:44,701 level two then overpopulates. 366 00:20:44,785 --> 00:20:46,703 And level two eats level three. 367 00:20:46,787 --> 00:20:48,580 So they'll actually overpopulate. 368 00:20:48,664 --> 00:20:51,959 They'll wipe out their food supply, which is level three. 369 00:20:52,042 --> 00:20:53,752 And then, level two's got nothing to eat. 370 00:20:53,835 --> 00:20:56,213 So level two then disappears, and they go extinct. 371 00:20:56,296 --> 00:20:58,632 And it carries on down the food chain, 372 00:20:58,715 --> 00:21:00,550 down to the smallest organisms. 373 00:21:00,634 --> 00:21:03,804 So when we talk about saving sharks and how important they are, 374 00:21:03,887 --> 00:21:06,223 even though people don't necessarily like them, 375 00:21:06,306 --> 00:21:08,642 they are that key to the survival of our oceans. 376 00:21:08,725 --> 00:21:10,560 Around the world, on average, 377 00:21:10,644 --> 00:21:13,355 sharks kill about ten people per year. 378 00:21:13,438 --> 00:21:15,232 Now, comparatively speaking, 379 00:21:15,315 --> 00:21:20,487 we kill 11,000 to 30,000 sharks per hour. 380 00:21:21,071 --> 00:21:24,533 The crazy thing is, almost half of those sharks killed 381 00:21:24,616 --> 00:21:27,494 are killed as bycatch from commercial fishing fleets. 382 00:21:27,577 --> 00:21:30,789 And they're discarded as waste back into the ocean. 383 00:21:30,872 --> 00:21:33,166 Bycatch was all the other marine life 384 00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:35,585 caught while trying to catch a target species. 385 00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:38,171 And I was shocked to learn that every year, 386 00:21:38,255 --> 00:21:41,341 at least 50 million sharks are caught in nets this way, 387 00:21:41,425 --> 00:21:44,177 side by side with our favorite seafood. 388 00:21:45,721 --> 00:21:48,932 Studies estimate that up to 40% of all marine life caught 389 00:21:49,016 --> 00:21:51,727 gets thrown right back overboard as bycatch, 390 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:54,855 and most of them die before they even hit the water. 391 00:21:56,815 --> 00:21:59,776 So stopping shark fin soup is only half the picture. 392 00:21:59,860 --> 00:22:03,447 The problem is that eating fish is just as bad, 393 00:22:03,530 --> 00:22:06,158 if not worse than the shark finning industry, 394 00:22:06,241 --> 00:22:09,995 because the shark finning industry is strictly held in Asia, 395 00:22:10,078 --> 00:22:13,373 whereas everyone around the world is eating fish. 396 00:22:13,457 --> 00:22:17,085 I refer to bycatch as the invisible victims 397 00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:18,670 of the fishing industry. 398 00:22:18,754 --> 00:22:21,381 The industry will call bycatch "accidental take," 399 00:22:21,465 --> 00:22:24,259 but there's nothing accidental about bycatch. 400 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:27,637 It's factored into the economics of fishing. 401 00:22:27,721 --> 00:22:31,350 In those fisheries where we have a better understanding of bycatch, 402 00:22:31,433 --> 00:22:33,727 the numbers can be alarming. 403 00:22:33,810 --> 00:22:35,771 And so to give you one example, 404 00:22:35,854 --> 00:22:38,690 in Iceland, in a one-month fishery, 405 00:22:38,774 --> 00:22:42,319 that fishery caught 269 harbor porpoises, 406 00:22:42,402 --> 00:22:45,572 something like 900 seals of four different species, 407 00:22:45,655 --> 00:22:47,949 and 5,000 seabirds. 408 00:22:48,033 --> 00:22:51,953 And that's just one little fishery in one little part of Iceland. 409 00:22:52,037 --> 00:22:53,789 Taken across the world's oceans, 410 00:22:53,872 --> 00:22:56,958 the amount of bycatch is huge. 411 00:22:57,918 --> 00:23:01,546 What made matters worse was that this destructive fishery 412 00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:05,509 had been awarded for its sustainable fishing practices for years 413 00:23:05,592 --> 00:23:08,762 by the very label I had trusted whenever I bought seafood, 414 00:23:08,845 --> 00:23:10,472 the MSC blue tick. 415 00:23:11,139 --> 00:23:14,768 I contacted the charity who hand out the labels about doing an interview, 416 00:23:14,851 --> 00:23:16,478 but I received no reply. 417 00:23:17,104 --> 00:23:18,021 In the meantime, 418 00:23:18,105 --> 00:23:21,525 I discovered there were already over a hundred different fishing regulations 419 00:23:21,608 --> 00:23:24,027 on paper for reducing this kind of bycatch. 420 00:23:24,111 --> 00:23:25,570 The problem was, 421 00:23:25,654 --> 00:23:29,199 with over four and a half million commercial fishing vessels at sea, 422 00:23:29,282 --> 00:23:32,411 it was a problem governments had practically given up on enforcing. 423 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,246 Apparently, though, 424 00:23:34,329 --> 00:23:36,415 there was one vigilante organization 425 00:23:36,498 --> 00:23:38,417 who are filling this law enforcement void. 426 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,586 A volunteer-run group who sail around the world 427 00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:42,671 and into harm's way 428 00:23:42,754 --> 00:23:46,466 in order to protect marine life and bring ocean criminals to justice. 429 00:23:47,050 --> 00:23:49,177 The marine conservation group Sea Shepherd, 430 00:23:49,261 --> 00:23:52,806 who have even sunk 13 whaling and illegal fishing ships, 431 00:23:52,889 --> 00:23:56,643 and rammed a further five, all without harming a single person. 432 00:23:58,353 --> 00:24:00,063 And by getting up close and personal 433 00:24:00,147 --> 00:24:02,107 with the industries that are destroying the ocean, 434 00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:04,943 they have made some shocking discoveries. 435 00:24:05,026 --> 00:24:08,071 One of the recent discoveries that Sea Shepherd has made 436 00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:09,656 is that on the Atlantic French coast 437 00:24:09,739 --> 00:24:13,994 up to 10,000 dolphins are being killed every year by bycatch. 438 00:24:14,077 --> 00:24:17,706 So this is ten times more than dolphins being killed in Taiji, 439 00:24:17,789 --> 00:24:18,999 and no one knew about it. 440 00:24:19,082 --> 00:24:22,085 This has been going on for at least 30 years 441 00:24:22,169 --> 00:24:26,423 because the French government has been very effective in hiding the problem. 442 00:24:26,506 --> 00:24:27,966 People love dolphins, 443 00:24:28,049 --> 00:24:31,219 and most of them have no idea that when they eat fish, 444 00:24:31,303 --> 00:24:35,223 they're actually putting a death sentence on the dolphin population in France. 445 00:24:41,271 --> 00:24:43,815 One of the most shocking things that most people don't realize 446 00:24:43,899 --> 00:24:48,320 is that the greatest threat to whales and dolphins is commercial fishing. 447 00:24:48,403 --> 00:24:51,615 Over 300,000 whales and dolphins are killed every single year 448 00:24:51,698 --> 00:24:54,159 as bycatch of industrial fishing. 449 00:24:54,743 --> 00:24:58,497 Well, what about sustainable labels, things like Dolphin Safe tuna? 450 00:24:58,580 --> 00:25:02,375 For those of us who spend as much time at sea as I do, 451 00:25:02,459 --> 00:25:07,047 uh, we realized that labels often obscure what's really happening at sea. 452 00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:11,551 We caught tuna fishing vessels who had slaughtered 45 dolphins 453 00:25:11,635 --> 00:25:13,094 to catch eight tunas. 454 00:25:13,178 --> 00:25:18,642 And that fishing vessel was working for Dolphin Safe canned tuna. 455 00:25:20,393 --> 00:25:22,938 I had learned some shocking things so far, 456 00:25:23,021 --> 00:25:25,315 but this was just unbelievable. 457 00:25:25,398 --> 00:25:27,192 I couldn't verify these numbers online, 458 00:25:27,275 --> 00:25:29,194 and I was skeptical to Sea Shepherd's claim 459 00:25:29,277 --> 00:25:30,612 against the organization. 460 00:25:30,695 --> 00:25:34,533 To find out for sure, I decided to meet with the organization behind the label, 461 00:25:34,616 --> 00:25:36,326 the Earth Island Institute. 462 00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:39,371 What's the maximum number of dolphins that can be killed in a net 463 00:25:39,454 --> 00:25:41,957 before the tuna is no longer Dolphin Safe? 464 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,167 Zero. One. 465 00:25:45,085 --> 00:25:48,380 So, one dolphin and, you know, you're out. 466 00:25:48,964 --> 00:25:52,175 So can you guarantee that every can is dolphin-safe? 467 00:25:52,259 --> 00:25:53,343 Nope. Hm-mm. 468 00:25:53,426 --> 00:25:54,344 Nobody can. 469 00:25:54,427 --> 00:25:57,847 Once you're out there in the ocean, how do you know what they're doing? 470 00:25:57,931 --> 00:26:00,684 Uh, we have observers on board. 471 00:26:00,767 --> 00:26:02,644 Uh, the observers can be bribed. 472 00:26:02,727 --> 00:26:06,356 Wait, um... Are your observers out at sea often? 473 00:26:06,439 --> 00:26:08,817 On a regular basis, no. Mm-mm. 474 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:12,654 There's nobody out there witnessing whether they kill dolphins or not. 475 00:26:12,737 --> 00:26:14,739 So how do you know it's dolphin-safe, 476 00:26:14,823 --> 00:26:19,202 especially when they're paying you to license your Dolphin Safe label? 477 00:26:19,286 --> 00:26:22,163 What they're doing is taking the captain's word for it. 478 00:26:22,247 --> 00:26:25,166 They look at the captain's log. He says, "I didn't kill any dolphins." 479 00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:26,835 "Oh, okay. Here's your label." 480 00:26:26,918 --> 00:26:28,545 "That'll cost you blah-blah-blah." 481 00:26:28,628 --> 00:26:31,006 So just... Just so I get my head around this, 482 00:26:31,089 --> 00:26:33,592 um, you have observers, but they're rarely there, 483 00:26:33,675 --> 00:26:34,843 and they can be bribed. 484 00:26:34,926 --> 00:26:37,887 And so you can't guarantee that Dolphin Safe tuna is dolphin-safe? 485 00:26:37,971 --> 00:26:42,142 That's certainly true in terms of, uh, how the system works. 486 00:26:42,225 --> 00:26:45,437 So, what are people meant to do now if they want to protect dolphins? 487 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,772 What we tell them is to buy Dolphin Safe tuna, 488 00:26:47,856 --> 00:26:50,191 tuna that's verified by Earth Island Institute 489 00:26:50,275 --> 00:26:51,526 to be dolphin-safe. 490 00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:53,862 But it's not guaranteed to be dolphin-safe. 491 00:26:53,945 --> 00:26:55,989 Uh, nothing can guarantee it's dolphin-safe. 492 00:26:56,072 --> 00:26:58,950 Um, but if it's not guaranteed to be dolphin-safe, 493 00:26:59,034 --> 00:27:00,702 why is it called Dolphin Safe? 494 00:27:00,785 --> 00:27:03,371 We can pretty well guarantee it's dolphin-safe, yeah. 495 00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:05,707 But you just told me it's not guaranteed. 496 00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:08,418 It's not guaranteed in the same way that, uh... 497 00:27:09,419 --> 00:27:13,173 The world is a difficult place sometimes. 498 00:27:15,425 --> 00:27:16,801 Conflict of interest? 499 00:27:16,885 --> 00:27:20,180 Yeah, I think it's a conflict of interest. I also think it's fraud. 500 00:27:20,263 --> 00:27:23,642 So, I was working for them, and I walked away from that. 501 00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:25,810 I was making more than $100,000 a year. 502 00:27:25,894 --> 00:27:28,772 Free life insurance. Something I can't even buy. 503 00:27:28,855 --> 00:27:31,483 I left that because of their phony... 504 00:27:32,609 --> 00:27:35,820 Dolphin Safe tuna label. I don't wanna be associated with that. 505 00:27:35,904 --> 00:27:38,114 I couldn't believe what I was hearing. 506 00:27:38,198 --> 00:27:40,617 The internationally recognized seafood label 507 00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:44,287 was a complete fabrication since it guaranteed nothing. 508 00:27:44,371 --> 00:27:47,999 At this point, I began to wonder what else was being covered up. 509 00:27:48,583 --> 00:27:51,711 Even the groups that are talking about marine plastic 510 00:27:51,795 --> 00:27:55,173 are highly reluctant to talk about what a lot of that plastic is, 511 00:27:55,256 --> 00:27:58,259 which is fishing nets and fishing gear. 512 00:27:58,343 --> 00:28:00,762 We hear a lot about the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, 513 00:28:00,845 --> 00:28:04,599 and say, "Oh, isn't it terrible? All our cotton buds and plastic bags 514 00:28:04,683 --> 00:28:07,644 are swirling around in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch." 515 00:28:07,727 --> 00:28:10,063 Forty-six percent of it is fishing nets, 516 00:28:10,146 --> 00:28:13,149 discarded fishing nets, which are far more dangerous 517 00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:15,944 for marine life than our plastic straws. 518 00:28:16,027 --> 00:28:18,446 Because, of course, they're designed to kill. 519 00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:23,368 Now, this is so crashingly obvious, why aren't we talking about it? 520 00:28:23,451 --> 00:28:28,081 Why aren't even the plastics campaigns talking about fishing? 521 00:28:30,208 --> 00:28:32,168 How had I not heard about this before? 522 00:28:32,252 --> 00:28:35,213 Fishing vessels discard a massive amount of ropes and lines, 523 00:28:35,296 --> 00:28:36,798 and this was a major problem. 524 00:28:37,382 --> 00:28:41,428 Today, even some of the most remote places on Earth were awash with fishing gear. 525 00:28:42,512 --> 00:28:45,014 Like Henderson Island in the Pacific Ocean, 526 00:28:46,474 --> 00:28:48,935 and Svalbard in the Arctic Circle. 527 00:28:49,894 --> 00:28:53,231 In fact, looking closer at some of the whales that washed up in the UK 528 00:28:53,314 --> 00:28:54,482 when my journey began, 529 00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:57,694 I discovered fishing gear was the main trash in their stomachs. 530 00:28:59,112 --> 00:29:02,657 This was the whale in the room that no one was talking about. 531 00:29:03,867 --> 00:29:05,744 I even found that longline fishing 532 00:29:05,827 --> 00:29:09,080 sets enough fishing lines to wrap around the entire planet 533 00:29:09,164 --> 00:29:12,333 500 times every single day. 534 00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:16,379 Although there isn't a single fishery in the world 535 00:29:16,463 --> 00:29:18,506 that deliberately targets sea turtles, 536 00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:23,219 six out of seven species of sea turtle are either threatened or endangered. 537 00:29:23,303 --> 00:29:26,598 Not because of climate change, not because of ocean pollution, 538 00:29:26,681 --> 00:29:29,684 not because of plastics in the ocean, but because of fishing. 539 00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:32,187 But this is an issue that nobody wants to talk about. 540 00:29:32,979 --> 00:29:35,982 Again, if this was true, how come I'd never heard about it? 541 00:29:36,065 --> 00:29:39,402 All the headlines I'd ever seen focused on plastic straws. 542 00:29:39,486 --> 00:29:41,696 So I decided to look into the research. 543 00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:45,533 A global study estimated a conservative 1,000 sea turtle deaths 544 00:29:45,617 --> 00:29:47,243 from plastic per year. 545 00:29:47,327 --> 00:29:50,121 However, in the United States alone, 546 00:29:50,205 --> 00:29:54,334 250,000 sea turtles are captured, injured, 547 00:29:54,417 --> 00:29:57,712 or killed every year by fishing vessels. 548 00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:00,965 If a single sea turtle with a straw in its nose went viral, 549 00:30:01,049 --> 00:30:03,301 then why wasn't this front page news? 550 00:30:03,968 --> 00:30:06,930 When I went on the websites of leading marine organizations 551 00:30:07,013 --> 00:30:08,640 who tackle plastic pollution, 552 00:30:08,723 --> 00:30:11,601 I found pages and pages encouraging people 553 00:30:11,684 --> 00:30:14,020 to stop using everything from tea bags 554 00:30:14,103 --> 00:30:15,146 to chewing gum. 555 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:16,940 But no mention whatsoever 556 00:30:17,023 --> 00:30:18,775 of what to do about fishing gear, 557 00:30:18,858 --> 00:30:20,860 that is if they even mentioned it. 558 00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:24,322 Instead, plastic straws seemed to take up 99% 559 00:30:24,405 --> 00:30:27,742 of what these groups were talking about, which became even more shocking 560 00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:32,914 when I found out plastic straws only accounted for 0.03% 561 00:30:32,997 --> 00:30:35,083 of plastic entering the ocean. 562 00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:39,295 This was like trying to save the Amazon rain forest and stop logging 563 00:30:39,379 --> 00:30:41,422 by boycotting toothpicks. 564 00:30:41,506 --> 00:30:43,258 It was barely a drop in the ocean. 565 00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:45,343 If fishing gear was such a huge problem, 566 00:30:45,426 --> 00:30:48,179 I wanted to know why my favorite plastic organization 567 00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:49,389 wasn't talking about it. 568 00:30:49,472 --> 00:30:52,350 So, according to the Plastic Pollution Coalition, 569 00:30:52,433 --> 00:30:55,645 what is the main source of plastic in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch? 570 00:30:55,728 --> 00:30:56,813 Microplastics. 571 00:30:57,564 --> 00:31:00,733 Uh, for the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, I'm mostly finding microplastics. 572 00:31:00,817 --> 00:31:02,610 Well, the latest study actually showed 573 00:31:02,694 --> 00:31:04,988 that 46% of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch 574 00:31:05,071 --> 00:31:06,739 is fishing nets alone, 575 00:31:06,823 --> 00:31:10,159 and the majority of the other garbage were other types of fishing gear. 576 00:31:10,243 --> 00:31:12,579 So wouldn't that be the majority? 577 00:31:12,662 --> 00:31:14,914 No, I wouldn't say... I won't say the majority 578 00:31:14,998 --> 00:31:17,458 of the plastic in the jar is fishing nets. 579 00:31:17,542 --> 00:31:19,919 Um, it's... it's a lot. It's a... it's a mix of things. 580 00:31:20,003 --> 00:31:22,046 But a majority means over 50%, 581 00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:23,673 and fishing-related garbage 582 00:31:23,756 --> 00:31:25,717 in the patch is over 50%. 583 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,969 So wouldn't that make it the majority? 584 00:31:28,052 --> 00:31:29,512 Yeah. So if the... if the... 585 00:31:29,596 --> 00:31:32,390 If it's close to 50%, that's, um, uh... 586 00:31:33,224 --> 00:31:34,559 Yes, plastic fishing nets. 587 00:31:34,642 --> 00:31:37,854 There is nothing that would compare to that ratio as far as one item, 588 00:31:37,937 --> 00:31:38,771 you know. 589 00:31:38,855 --> 00:31:41,816 Uh, but the overwhelming, uh, thing is 590 00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:44,861 that it's... it's plastic fishing nets. 591 00:31:44,944 --> 00:31:48,656 Is there something that people can do to stop this fishing net trash? 592 00:31:49,699 --> 00:31:53,578 Uh, one thing that you could do is... is, uh, eliminate, 593 00:31:53,661 --> 00:31:57,582 or really, really reduce your intake of... of fish, 594 00:31:57,665 --> 00:32:00,627 and to really let those... Those populations rebound. 595 00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:04,339 But also, that will eliminate as much materials being used 596 00:32:04,422 --> 00:32:05,506 to... to get those fish. 597 00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:06,841 Well, do you know why 598 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:09,385 this important message isn't on your website? 599 00:32:09,469 --> 00:32:12,138 I... I don't... I don't know. I don't make the website. 600 00:32:12,221 --> 00:32:14,474 I mean, it'd be great for you to talk to Dianna about it. 601 00:32:14,557 --> 00:32:16,893 She's the founder, she's been in it, she's got the... 602 00:32:16,976 --> 00:32:18,770 She could probably give you better answers. 603 00:32:20,521 --> 00:32:22,398 So, Jackie was saying that one of the ways 604 00:32:22,482 --> 00:32:25,443 to tackle the massive problem of fishing nets in the ocean 605 00:32:25,526 --> 00:32:27,445 is to say no to eating fish. 606 00:32:27,528 --> 00:32:31,282 I was wondering why you haven't put that important message on your website. 607 00:32:32,116 --> 00:32:34,535 A consumer message to eat less fish? 608 00:32:35,286 --> 00:32:36,663 Yeah, it's not my area. 609 00:32:36,746 --> 00:32:39,207 - It's not my area of focus. I hear you. - Yeah. 610 00:32:39,290 --> 00:32:41,084 I don't have time. We have an event. 611 00:32:41,167 --> 00:32:43,252 Can you turn off the cameras? Thanks. 612 00:32:44,337 --> 00:32:46,089 I'm not interested in focusing there. 613 00:32:46,172 --> 00:32:48,466 I don't have an opinion about that. 614 00:32:49,175 --> 00:32:51,844 I was talking about what people can do to make a difference 615 00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:53,638 about fishing net trash in the ocean, 616 00:32:53,721 --> 00:32:56,224 and Jackie said to eliminate or reduce fish consumption. 617 00:32:56,307 --> 00:32:58,977 - I asked if that was... - She didn't say eliminate fish. 618 00:32:59,060 --> 00:33:00,728 - She did. - I know she didn't. 619 00:33:00,812 --> 00:33:05,608 ...is, uh, eliminate or really, really reduce your intake of... of fish. 620 00:33:05,692 --> 00:33:08,695 - She did. She... - She didn't say eliminate fish. 621 00:33:08,778 --> 00:33:10,738 I had no idea what was going on. 622 00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:12,615 Why was such a simple question 623 00:33:12,699 --> 00:33:14,575 receiving such backlash? 624 00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:16,828 My only option was to follow the money. 625 00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:18,371 So I did. 626 00:33:19,205 --> 00:33:21,541 And sure enough, there it was. 627 00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:26,045 Of course they're not gonna talk about fishing nets. 628 00:33:26,129 --> 00:33:28,006 The Plastic Pollution Coalition 629 00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:31,467 is the same organization as the Earth Island Institute. 630 00:33:31,551 --> 00:33:34,595 These are the same ones who are behind the Dolphin Safe tuna label, 631 00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:37,432 who work with the fishing industry to sell more seafood. 632 00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:40,601 No wonder why they don't talk about the leading cause of plastic pollution 633 00:33:40,685 --> 00:33:42,061 in many parts of the world. 634 00:33:43,396 --> 00:33:45,398 Now, it's entirely right to say 635 00:33:45,481 --> 00:33:47,525 that we must use far less plastic. 636 00:33:47,608 --> 00:33:53,072 But even if not a single gram of plastic entered the oceans 637 00:33:53,156 --> 00:33:54,949 from today onwards, 638 00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:58,244 we would still be ripping those ecosystems apart 639 00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:01,831 because the biggest issue by far is commercial fishing. 640 00:34:01,914 --> 00:34:04,208 It's not just far more damaging 641 00:34:04,292 --> 00:34:05,835 than plastic pollution, 642 00:34:05,918 --> 00:34:09,130 it's far more damaging than oil pollution from oil spills. 643 00:34:09,714 --> 00:34:12,633 The Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico 644 00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:14,177 was the biggest in history. 645 00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:16,679 It gushed huge quantities of oil 646 00:34:16,763 --> 00:34:19,307 into the deep sea for a period of months. 647 00:34:19,390 --> 00:34:23,102 And everyone was appalled at the death of wildlife on the beaches 648 00:34:23,186 --> 00:34:24,771 as the oil slopped ashore. 649 00:34:24,854 --> 00:34:27,857 But in fact, the fishing industry in the Gulf of Mexico 650 00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:31,319 destroyed more animals in a day 651 00:34:31,402 --> 00:34:34,322 than that oil spill did in months. 652 00:34:34,405 --> 00:34:37,533 Because large areas were closed to fishing 653 00:34:37,617 --> 00:34:40,411 because of the possibility of being tainted by oil, 654 00:34:40,495 --> 00:34:42,288 marine life actually benefited 655 00:34:42,371 --> 00:34:44,665 from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill 656 00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:47,001 because it got a respite from fishing. 657 00:34:48,002 --> 00:34:51,297 I have a hard time accepting that a fisherman on his little fishing boat 658 00:34:51,380 --> 00:34:53,216 - could be causing all this damage. - Yeah. 659 00:34:53,299 --> 00:34:54,884 So, what's the deal? 660 00:34:54,967 --> 00:34:57,386 There's this image of the fishing industry, 661 00:34:57,470 --> 00:35:00,473 which is deeply implanted in our minds from childhood. 662 00:35:00,556 --> 00:35:01,891 It's a little red boat 663 00:35:01,974 --> 00:35:04,102 chugging across a sparkling sea 664 00:35:04,185 --> 00:35:06,229 with Captain Birdseye at the wheel, 665 00:35:06,312 --> 00:35:08,648 with his white beard, and his twinkly blue eyes, 666 00:35:08,731 --> 00:35:10,024 and his fisherman's cap. 667 00:35:10,108 --> 00:35:14,070 And of course, what it really is, is a death machine. 668 00:35:14,153 --> 00:35:19,242 This is a highly effective, technological machine. 669 00:35:19,325 --> 00:35:23,830 You've got these massively powerful boats, huge fishing ships, 670 00:35:23,913 --> 00:35:27,166 whose purpose is to mop up the animals 671 00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:31,045 which are at the basis of the whole marine food chain, 672 00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:32,129 the fish. 673 00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:36,425 Although I finally felt like I was on the right track, 674 00:35:36,509 --> 00:35:38,302 I couldn't help but feel frustrated 675 00:35:38,386 --> 00:35:40,346 that the constant media and global attention 676 00:35:40,429 --> 00:35:42,098 on plastics and fossil fuels 677 00:35:42,181 --> 00:35:45,309 were distracting from an industry we hear almost nothing about, 678 00:35:45,393 --> 00:35:47,812 with a much, much greater impact on the sea. 679 00:35:47,895 --> 00:35:48,980 Digging deeper, 680 00:35:49,063 --> 00:35:52,441 I discovered this was also true when it came to coral reefs. 681 00:35:52,525 --> 00:35:56,529 With scientists predicting the loss of 90% of reefs by the year 2050, 682 00:35:56,612 --> 00:35:59,949 the only mainstream narrative on why reefs were dying was climate change. 683 00:36:00,449 --> 00:36:03,619 But hardly anyone was talking about the fact fish were vital 684 00:36:03,703 --> 00:36:05,204 to keep corals alive. 685 00:36:06,873 --> 00:36:11,043 The ecosystem on coral reefs is heavily based on recycling. 686 00:36:11,127 --> 00:36:14,463 When these animals excrete, that is food for the corals. 687 00:36:14,547 --> 00:36:18,926 As fishermen come in and catch the fish, not only is the fish suffering, 688 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:23,306 but the products that the fish release into the water is food for the corals, 689 00:36:23,389 --> 00:36:27,435 and the nutrients to replace them and grow them up again will be lost. 690 00:36:27,518 --> 00:36:31,772 Fishing has become the major threat on many reefs around the world. 691 00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:33,941 From the Middle East to the Caribbean, 692 00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:37,778 where 90% of the large fish which prospered there for millennia 693 00:36:37,862 --> 00:36:39,238 have now disappeared. 694 00:36:40,281 --> 00:36:42,909 So our oceans were clearly at a turning point, 695 00:36:42,992 --> 00:36:45,369 and I needed definitive answers. 696 00:36:45,453 --> 00:36:47,246 I wanted to speak to conservationists 697 00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:49,370 who had spent their lives trying to protect the sea, 698 00:36:49,415 --> 00:36:51,417 starting with meeting a living legend, 699 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:54,295 and one of my all-time favorite heroes, to tell me more. 700 00:36:54,378 --> 00:36:56,339 I'm Sylvia Earle, an oceanographer, 701 00:36:56,422 --> 00:36:59,008 explorer-in-residence at the National Geographic, 702 00:36:59,091 --> 00:37:00,218 founder of Mission Blue, 703 00:37:00,301 --> 00:37:03,971 founder of Deep Ocean Exploration and Research. 704 00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:06,390 So over the years, I've seen changes. 705 00:37:06,474 --> 00:37:07,475 I've been a witness 706 00:37:07,558 --> 00:37:11,896 to perhaps the greatest era of discovery about the ocean. 707 00:37:11,979 --> 00:37:14,941 But at the same time, the greatest era of loss. 708 00:37:15,024 --> 00:37:17,151 Since the middle of the 20th century, 709 00:37:17,235 --> 00:37:20,738 humans have succeeded in extracting from the ocean, 710 00:37:20,821 --> 00:37:22,949 immense quantities of wildlife. 711 00:37:23,032 --> 00:37:25,993 The estimate is by the middle of the 21st century, 712 00:37:26,077 --> 00:37:29,330 if we keep taking wild fish at the level that we are today, 713 00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:30,998 there'll be no commercial fishing, 714 00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:33,834 because there won't be enough fish to catch. 715 00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:36,504 In the middle of the North Sea in the 1830s, 716 00:37:36,587 --> 00:37:38,923 a typical fishing boat would be able to catch 717 00:37:39,006 --> 00:37:41,759 one or two tons of halibut every day. 718 00:37:41,842 --> 00:37:44,387 But today, the entire fishing fleet there 719 00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:47,765 catches about two tons of halibut across the entire year, 720 00:37:47,848 --> 00:37:50,559 which means that halibut is more than a thousand times 721 00:37:50,643 --> 00:37:52,645 less abundant today than it was then. 722 00:37:52,728 --> 00:37:55,064 We are at war with the oceans. 723 00:37:55,147 --> 00:37:58,109 And if we win this war, we're going to lose it all, 724 00:37:58,192 --> 00:38:01,737 because mankind is not able to live on this planet with a dead sea. 725 00:38:01,821 --> 00:38:06,701 It's the total industrialization of fishing that is the problem here. 726 00:38:06,784 --> 00:38:09,328 We are pretty much destroying everything at rapid speed. 727 00:38:10,329 --> 00:38:12,540 Commercial fishing was essentially 728 00:38:12,623 --> 00:38:15,167 wildlife poaching on a mass scale, 729 00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:19,422 catching up to 2.7 trillion fish every year, 730 00:38:19,505 --> 00:38:23,134 or up to five million killed every single minute. 731 00:38:24,802 --> 00:38:26,429 No other industry on Earth 732 00:38:26,512 --> 00:38:29,098 killed anywhere near as many animals as this trade, 733 00:38:29,181 --> 00:38:32,226 let alone wild species that we barely understand. 734 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:34,437 This has led to global fish populations, 735 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,189 in some cases, plummeting to near extinction. 736 00:38:37,273 --> 00:38:39,193 But perhaps one of the most shocking facts of all 737 00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:42,194 came from one of the world's leading fisheries experts 738 00:38:42,278 --> 00:38:45,323 estimating that if current fishing trends continue, 739 00:38:45,406 --> 00:38:47,867 we will see virtually empty oceans 740 00:38:47,950 --> 00:38:50,119 by the year 2048. 741 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,501 The more I learned, the more devastating this fact became, 742 00:38:57,585 --> 00:38:59,837 as I began to understand just how interconnected 743 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,839 each species were with each other, 744 00:39:01,922 --> 00:39:04,967 and even the role they play in maintaining the chemistry of the ocean 745 00:39:05,051 --> 00:39:07,428 and our planet's atmosphere. 746 00:39:07,511 --> 00:39:10,222 It sounds just mind-blowing, 747 00:39:10,306 --> 00:39:13,517 but the power of animals moving up and down 748 00:39:13,601 --> 00:39:17,021 through the water column, in terms of mixing, 749 00:39:17,104 --> 00:39:21,025 is as great as all the wind, waves, 750 00:39:21,108 --> 00:39:24,403 tides, and currents in the seas combined. 751 00:39:24,487 --> 00:39:27,656 And this has a huge impact 752 00:39:27,740 --> 00:39:32,244 on the, the physics, the chemistry, and the biology of the seas. 753 00:39:32,828 --> 00:39:34,288 All this churning of the sea 754 00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:37,875 may be one of the ways the oceans help absorb heat from the atmosphere. 755 00:39:37,958 --> 00:39:40,169 As animals swim through the water column, 756 00:39:40,252 --> 00:39:43,339 it creates a powerful down-welling of the warmer surface waters 757 00:39:43,422 --> 00:39:45,216 to mix with the colder waters below. 758 00:39:45,299 --> 00:39:47,301 And although more research needs to be done, 759 00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:50,888 the decimation of marine life may be interfering with this process, 760 00:39:50,971 --> 00:39:53,349 and contributing to warmer sea temperatures. 761 00:39:53,432 --> 00:39:56,060 The bottom line, the oceans and the life within it 762 00:39:56,143 --> 00:39:59,146 play a much bigger role in climate than we ever expected. 763 00:39:59,772 --> 00:40:02,650 And it turns out that the life in the oceans 764 00:40:02,733 --> 00:40:06,237 is absolutely crucial for holding on to carbon 765 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,990 and preventing it from being released to the atmosphere. 766 00:40:10,074 --> 00:40:13,494 We understand that leaving trees or planting trees 767 00:40:13,577 --> 00:40:15,746 really helps the carbon equation, 768 00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:17,248 but nothing matters more 769 00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:20,960 than maintaining the integrity of ocean systems. 770 00:40:21,043 --> 00:40:22,670 I mean, these big animals, 771 00:40:22,753 --> 00:40:24,088 even the little ones, 772 00:40:24,588 --> 00:40:25,798 they take up carbon. 773 00:40:25,881 --> 00:40:29,176 They sequester carbon when they sink to the bottom of the ocean. 774 00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:31,887 The ocean is the biggest carbon sink on the planet. 775 00:40:34,098 --> 00:40:37,351 If you want to address climate change, the first thing you do 776 00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:39,103 is protect the ocean. 777 00:40:39,186 --> 00:40:42,022 And the solution to that is very simple: leave it alone. 778 00:40:42,106 --> 00:40:44,442 I always equate it to this being a spaceship. 779 00:40:44,525 --> 00:40:47,236 The Earth is a spaceship. It's on a trip around the galaxy. 780 00:40:47,319 --> 00:40:49,572 It takes 250 million years just to make one orbit. 781 00:40:49,655 --> 00:40:52,491 And every spaceship has a life-support system, 782 00:40:52,575 --> 00:40:54,702 provides us with the food we eat, the air we breathe, 783 00:40:54,785 --> 00:40:56,745 and regulates the climate, the temperatures. 784 00:40:56,829 --> 00:41:00,374 That life support system is run by a crew of earthlings, 785 00:41:00,458 --> 00:41:02,501 and there's only so many crew members you can kill 786 00:41:02,585 --> 00:41:05,629 before the machinery begins to break down, you run out of engineers. 787 00:41:05,713 --> 00:41:08,215 And that's what's happening, we're killing off the crew. 788 00:41:15,556 --> 00:41:18,517 I discovered that one of the most important crew members 789 00:41:18,601 --> 00:41:20,019 on this spaceship Earth 790 00:41:20,102 --> 00:41:22,146 were actually marine plants. 791 00:41:22,229 --> 00:41:24,523 Per acre, these coastal plants can store 792 00:41:24,607 --> 00:41:28,194 up to 20 times more carbon than forests on land. 793 00:41:28,277 --> 00:41:32,781 In fact, 93% of all the world's CO2 is stored in the ocean 794 00:41:32,865 --> 00:41:35,910 with the help of marine vegetation, algae, and coral. 795 00:41:35,993 --> 00:41:38,579 And losing just 1% of this ecosystem 796 00:41:38,662 --> 00:41:42,875 was equivalent to releasing the emissions of 97 million cars. 797 00:41:43,417 --> 00:41:46,962 By, uh, continued extraction of fish out of our oceans, 798 00:41:47,046 --> 00:41:48,964 you're essentially deforesting our oceans 799 00:41:49,048 --> 00:41:51,133 by not only removing the fish, 800 00:41:51,217 --> 00:41:52,593 but the act of removal, 801 00:41:52,676 --> 00:41:56,472 the methods of removal are devastating to habitat, to ecosystems. 802 00:41:56,555 --> 00:41:59,975 And it's even more so there because it's out of sight, out of mind. 803 00:42:00,059 --> 00:42:03,854 Trawling was by far the most destructive form of fishing. 804 00:42:03,938 --> 00:42:05,981 The largest trawl nets are so big 805 00:42:06,065 --> 00:42:07,691 they could swallow whole cathedrals 806 00:42:07,775 --> 00:42:10,236 or up to 13 jumbo jet planes. 807 00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:12,321 The nets drag heavy weights at the bottom, 808 00:42:12,404 --> 00:42:15,199 scarring the sea floor that were once abundant with life, 809 00:42:15,282 --> 00:42:17,952 leaving nothing but a barren wasteland behind. 810 00:42:18,035 --> 00:42:21,830 This was just like bulldozing pristine Amazonian rain forest, 811 00:42:21,914 --> 00:42:24,291 except it was much, much worse. 812 00:42:24,375 --> 00:42:28,796 Every year, approximately 25 million acres of forest are lost. 813 00:42:28,879 --> 00:42:32,633 This was equivalent to losing about 27 soccer fields per minute. 814 00:42:32,716 --> 00:42:34,760 However, bottom trawling wipes out 815 00:42:34,843 --> 00:42:39,223 an estimated 3.9 billion acres every year. 816 00:42:39,807 --> 00:42:46,355 This was equivalent to losing 4,316 soccer fields every single minute. 817 00:42:46,438 --> 00:42:48,107 Tallied up across the year, 818 00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:50,651 this was equivalent to wiping out the land area 819 00:42:50,734 --> 00:42:53,571 of Greenland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, 820 00:42:53,654 --> 00:42:57,157 Denmark, the UK, Germany, France, Spain, 821 00:42:57,241 --> 00:43:00,995 Portugal, Italy, Turkey, Iran, Thailand, 822 00:43:01,078 --> 00:43:03,539 and Australia combined. 823 00:43:04,456 --> 00:43:06,208 Where are the big environment groups? 824 00:43:06,292 --> 00:43:08,586 Why aren't they all over this like a rash? 825 00:43:08,669 --> 00:43:09,920 It's so obvious. 826 00:43:10,004 --> 00:43:11,672 It's just shouting in our faces. 827 00:43:11,755 --> 00:43:15,175 It is the fishing industry that is destroying the fish 828 00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:17,303 and the rest of the life of the seas. 829 00:43:17,386 --> 00:43:20,306 How much more obvious does it need to be? 830 00:43:20,389 --> 00:43:23,100 And yet, for the most part, they are silent. 831 00:43:23,183 --> 00:43:25,477 They're not speaking out against it. 832 00:43:25,561 --> 00:43:29,023 They are deliberately not engaging 833 00:43:29,106 --> 00:43:31,650 with the most important issue of all. 834 00:43:31,734 --> 00:43:33,444 Many, uh, researchers feel 835 00:43:33,527 --> 00:43:36,488 that we should be at about 30% of our oceans being protected. 836 00:43:36,572 --> 00:43:41,160 But, in reality, we're at 5% now of marine protected areas. 837 00:43:41,243 --> 00:43:43,412 But that's misleading because over 90% 838 00:43:43,495 --> 00:43:45,998 of those marine protected areas still allow fishing. 839 00:43:46,081 --> 00:43:47,249 So in reality, 840 00:43:47,333 --> 00:43:49,877 less than 1% of all of our oceans are being regulated. 841 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,462 We hear a lot from governments 842 00:43:51,545 --> 00:43:53,297 about these marine protected areas. 843 00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:56,425 And one of the government ministers was interviewed and asked, 844 00:43:56,508 --> 00:43:58,260 "In this particular protected area, 845 00:43:58,344 --> 00:44:01,096 what is the additional protection you're actually giving it?" 846 00:44:01,180 --> 00:44:03,300 "Are you gonna protect it against industrial fishing?" 847 00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:04,266 "No." 848 00:44:04,350 --> 00:44:06,230 "Are you gonna protect it against oil drilling?" 849 00:44:06,268 --> 00:44:07,102 "No." 850 00:44:07,186 --> 00:44:09,271 "So, what are you actually protecting it against?" 851 00:44:09,355 --> 00:44:11,774 "Well, we're going to put some more restrictions 852 00:44:11,857 --> 00:44:12,983 on sea kayaking." 853 00:44:13,067 --> 00:44:14,068 Seriously? 854 00:44:14,151 --> 00:44:15,027 Kayaking? 855 00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:17,821 This was the only thing she could come up with? 856 00:44:17,905 --> 00:44:19,823 It's an utter disgrace. 857 00:44:20,407 --> 00:44:23,911 With virtually no marine protected areas that didn't allow fishing, 858 00:44:23,994 --> 00:44:26,830 and global fish populations on the brink of collapse, 859 00:44:26,914 --> 00:44:28,290 I began to question 860 00:44:28,374 --> 00:44:31,085 whether sustainable seafood could even exist. 861 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,004 I have looked long and hard, 862 00:44:34,088 --> 00:44:36,548 seriously, at trying to find an example 863 00:44:36,632 --> 00:44:41,512 of where a large-scale extraction of wildlife is sustainable. 864 00:44:43,931 --> 00:44:47,267 It just doesn't exist. 865 00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:49,144 It's hard to say, 866 00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:51,355 "In some areas, fishing is okay, 867 00:44:51,438 --> 00:44:52,648 and in others, it's not." 868 00:44:52,731 --> 00:44:55,192 Because who will draw the line? 869 00:44:55,275 --> 00:44:59,488 How would you know if a fish is, like, caught illegal, 870 00:44:59,571 --> 00:45:04,159 or is coming out of a sustainable fishing method? 871 00:45:04,243 --> 00:45:06,662 Well, first of all, there's no such thing. It's impossible. 872 00:45:06,745 --> 00:45:08,831 There's no such thing as a sustainable fishery. 873 00:45:08,914 --> 00:45:10,749 There's not enough fish to justify that. 874 00:45:10,833 --> 00:45:12,459 Everything is now sustainable. 875 00:45:12,543 --> 00:45:14,878 It's not sustainable. Just a marketing phrase, that's all. 876 00:45:15,462 --> 00:45:17,464 So don't you agree with organizations 877 00:45:17,548 --> 00:45:19,842 that recommend people eat more sustainable seafood 878 00:45:19,925 --> 00:45:21,343 as a way to protect the ocean? 879 00:45:21,427 --> 00:45:23,303 No, I disagree with it completely. 880 00:45:23,387 --> 00:45:25,472 You know, basically what they're trying to do 881 00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:27,891 is to appeal to the big tent. 882 00:45:27,975 --> 00:45:30,018 They want the people who eat fish to support them. 883 00:45:30,102 --> 00:45:33,272 And this was a problem when I was National Director for the Sierra Club, 884 00:45:33,355 --> 00:45:34,523 that was their problem. 885 00:45:34,606 --> 00:45:37,025 They didn't wanna come out against hunting, against fishing, 886 00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:38,360 or against meat-eating. 887 00:45:38,444 --> 00:45:42,281 Because they thought they would lose membership support if they did. 888 00:45:42,364 --> 00:45:45,075 A lot of these groups aren't interested in solving the problem, 889 00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,453 they're interested in exploiting the problem. 890 00:45:47,536 --> 00:45:50,873 There's a lot of groups out there, climate change, conservation, whatever. 891 00:45:50,956 --> 00:45:53,917 It's a business. It's a feel-good business. 892 00:45:54,001 --> 00:45:55,753 I looked on Oceana's website. 893 00:45:55,836 --> 00:45:58,380 They were the world's largest marine conservation group, 894 00:45:58,464 --> 00:46:00,174 but there wasn't a single mention 895 00:46:00,257 --> 00:46:02,634 of reducing or eliminating seafood consumption. 896 00:46:02,718 --> 00:46:04,970 Instead, the organization recommends 897 00:46:05,053 --> 00:46:07,139 one of the best ways to save fish 898 00:46:07,222 --> 00:46:08,557 was to eat fish. 899 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,351 Oceana were advocating for sustainable fishing, 900 00:46:11,435 --> 00:46:14,396 so I decided to meet with the group so they could explain what that meant. 901 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,733 What does sustainable fishing actually mean? Who defines it? 902 00:46:17,816 --> 00:46:20,027 That's a really thoughtful question. 903 00:46:20,110 --> 00:46:21,361 Uh, sustainable... 904 00:46:21,445 --> 00:46:23,739 Sustainability is not defined as such. 905 00:46:23,822 --> 00:46:27,034 There is not a definition of sustainability, 906 00:46:27,117 --> 00:46:29,077 as a whole, for fisheries. 907 00:46:29,161 --> 00:46:31,288 Isn't it confusing, then, to say, 908 00:46:31,371 --> 00:46:32,790 "Eat sustainable fish," 909 00:46:32,873 --> 00:46:34,792 if there's no universal definition for it? 910 00:46:34,875 --> 00:46:36,293 Uh, absolutely. 911 00:46:36,376 --> 00:46:39,254 No, the consumer can't assess right now, uh, properly 912 00:46:39,338 --> 00:46:41,173 what fish is sustainable, what is not. 913 00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,342 Uh, there is full of advices, 914 00:46:43,425 --> 00:46:47,095 but it's true that the consumer can't make an informed decision right now. 915 00:46:47,179 --> 00:46:49,056 So if no one really knows what it means, 916 00:46:49,139 --> 00:46:51,141 wouldn't a more effective strategy be 917 00:46:51,225 --> 00:46:54,102 to, say, reduce or eliminate seafood consumption? 918 00:46:54,186 --> 00:46:56,355 Wouldn't that be the best for the ocean? 919 00:46:58,065 --> 00:46:59,066 That's... 920 00:46:59,608 --> 00:47:01,568 I mean, it's difficult to answer a question 921 00:47:01,652 --> 00:47:04,571 with such a deep reflection 922 00:47:04,655 --> 00:47:06,907 with, uh, so little time to think about, right? 923 00:47:06,990 --> 00:47:10,118 Um, because we don't have a position in that respect. 924 00:47:10,202 --> 00:47:11,954 We're never asked that question. 925 00:47:12,037 --> 00:47:13,789 Oh, it would just be on the website. 926 00:47:13,872 --> 00:47:17,876 You know, "Number one thing you can do for the ocean, reduce fish consumption." 927 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,795 - Something like that. - Um... 928 00:47:20,379 --> 00:47:24,174 I left the Oceana office with less faith in the group than when I walked in. 929 00:47:24,258 --> 00:47:27,302 Disappointed that they were unable to answer such a simple question 930 00:47:27,386 --> 00:47:28,720 about sustainable fishing. 931 00:47:28,804 --> 00:47:30,848 Perhaps contacting governmental authorities 932 00:47:30,931 --> 00:47:32,211 would better answer my question. 933 00:47:32,266 --> 00:47:36,144 After all, it was the second-best thing to do on Oceana's website. 934 00:47:36,228 --> 00:47:37,855 So I went straight to the top 935 00:47:37,938 --> 00:47:39,606 and managed to secure a rare meeting 936 00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:42,210 with the European Commissioner of Fisheries and the Environment, 937 00:47:42,234 --> 00:47:45,237 who was recently passing laws to ban single-use plastic. 938 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,323 What is the definition of sustainable fishing? 939 00:47:48,407 --> 00:47:51,285 Imagine that you have money in a bank, 940 00:47:51,368 --> 00:47:55,706 you have capital, you put, I don't know, €100 in the bank. 941 00:47:55,789 --> 00:47:58,292 That €100, which is the capital, 942 00:47:58,375 --> 00:48:00,252 is giving you interest. 943 00:48:00,335 --> 00:48:04,214 As long as you are taking the interest, and spending the interest 944 00:48:04,298 --> 00:48:06,633 without touching the capital, 945 00:48:06,717 --> 00:48:09,261 then that is sustainability. 946 00:48:09,344 --> 00:48:12,681 As soon as you start taking away the capital as well, 947 00:48:12,764 --> 00:48:15,976 then you've entered the unsustainable cycle. 948 00:48:16,059 --> 00:48:18,437 Well, using your economic analogy, 949 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,940 today's oceans aren't only in debt, but they're in a major depression. 950 00:48:22,024 --> 00:48:24,651 Shouldn't we just stop spending what we can't afford? 951 00:48:24,735 --> 00:48:28,363 Obviously, we cannot go to the other extreme, and say, 952 00:48:28,447 --> 00:48:31,700 "The only solution is not to fish at all." 953 00:48:31,783 --> 00:48:33,952 We cannot... I don't think we can do that. 954 00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:36,663 But your government are taking extreme measures 955 00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:38,582 to ban single-use plastic, 956 00:48:38,665 --> 00:48:41,376 when fishing causes far more destruction. 957 00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:44,546 So why is the fishing industry getting special treatment from this? 958 00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:47,966 Yes. For me, the idea is not to stop fishing. 959 00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:52,512 For me, the idea is to do more sustainable fishing. 960 00:48:52,596 --> 00:48:54,806 To do more sustainable fishing. 961 00:48:54,890 --> 00:48:56,433 More sustainable fishing 962 00:48:56,516 --> 00:48:58,727 meant doing more of something that isn't working, 963 00:48:58,810 --> 00:49:00,520 and can't even be defined. 964 00:49:00,604 --> 00:49:03,065 I wondered though, with no clear definition, 965 00:49:03,148 --> 00:49:06,944 where did that leave sustainable certification groups, like the MSC, 966 00:49:07,027 --> 00:49:09,029 who still haven't got back to me? 967 00:49:09,112 --> 00:49:11,198 Oh, you mean the Marine Stewardship Council? 968 00:49:11,281 --> 00:49:13,075 - Yeah. - Oh, God. 969 00:49:13,158 --> 00:49:15,998 Getting me onto the subject of the Marine Stewardship Council, you know. 970 00:49:16,036 --> 00:49:17,036 Uh... 971 00:49:19,998 --> 00:49:21,625 How much do I want to say? 972 00:49:21,708 --> 00:49:23,627 Well, they have certified fisheries 973 00:49:23,710 --> 00:49:26,630 that produce astonishing levels of bycatch. 974 00:49:26,713 --> 00:49:29,007 And those are ignored because the level of kill 975 00:49:29,091 --> 00:49:31,802 is considered to be "sustainable" in itself. 976 00:49:31,885 --> 00:49:34,179 But that's not what a consumer is looking for. 977 00:49:34,262 --> 00:49:36,974 They want to know that no marine mammals are being killed, 978 00:49:37,057 --> 00:49:38,600 no seabirds are being slaughtered, 979 00:49:38,684 --> 00:49:41,061 in order to put that fish on their plate. 980 00:49:41,144 --> 00:49:45,190 The label on the tin isn't worth a damn in some cases. 981 00:49:45,273 --> 00:49:48,819 They make it appear on paper as if, uh, eating, 982 00:49:48,902 --> 00:49:51,780 on one hand, uh, sustainably-produced salmon 983 00:49:51,863 --> 00:49:54,199 is, uh, better than killing a bluefin tuna, 984 00:49:54,282 --> 00:49:57,077 and therefore creates a justification in the eyes of the consumer. 985 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,080 But that's like essentially saying that it's more sustainable 986 00:50:00,163 --> 00:50:02,249 to shoot a polar bear than shooting a panda. 987 00:50:02,332 --> 00:50:03,375 When in reality, 988 00:50:03,458 --> 00:50:06,086 uh, neither one is sustainable, and neither one is right to do. 989 00:50:06,169 --> 00:50:07,921 So, do you think it's gonna be possible 990 00:50:08,005 --> 00:50:10,465 to do an interview with the MSC at any point? 991 00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:12,718 Um, I don't think that's gonna work out. 992 00:50:12,801 --> 00:50:15,053 Um, there's nobody in the office at the moment. 993 00:50:15,137 --> 00:50:16,596 There's loads of conferences on. 994 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,267 After having our interview request turned down countless times over phone, 995 00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:22,686 we decided to visit their head office instead. 996 00:50:22,769 --> 00:50:24,312 Hi, my name's Ali. 997 00:50:24,396 --> 00:50:27,524 I've been trying to organize an interview with someone at MSC for months now, 998 00:50:27,607 --> 00:50:30,110 and I just had some questions about sustainable fishing. 999 00:50:30,193 --> 00:50:33,071 Would there be anyone around I could speak to really quickly? 1000 00:50:33,155 --> 00:50:36,783 We were told to wait in the waiting room while they found someone to speak to us. 1001 00:50:36,867 --> 00:50:39,911 But after half an hour of panicked looks between the members of staff, 1002 00:50:39,995 --> 00:50:41,204 we were asked to leave. 1003 00:50:43,081 --> 00:50:46,251 Just got palmed off again by the MSC. 1004 00:50:46,334 --> 00:50:49,004 The world's largest sustainable seafood organization 1005 00:50:49,087 --> 00:50:51,798 doesn't wanna talk to me about sustainable seafood. 1006 00:50:53,633 --> 00:50:56,970 The only thing left to do was to try and follow the money. 1007 00:50:57,054 --> 00:51:00,474 And it didn't take long to find the massive conflict of interest. 1008 00:51:00,557 --> 00:51:02,142 One of the founders of the MSC 1009 00:51:02,225 --> 00:51:03,894 was the Unilever corporation, 1010 00:51:03,977 --> 00:51:06,188 who at the time were a major seafood retailer. 1011 00:51:06,271 --> 00:51:10,317 And despite countless fisheries clearly being depleted and destructive, 1012 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,735 I could only find a couple 1013 00:51:11,818 --> 00:51:14,780 that had ever been denied certification in over 20 years. 1014 00:51:14,863 --> 00:51:16,531 But most shocking of all 1015 00:51:16,615 --> 00:51:21,536 was learning that over 80% of the almost £30-million-a-year income 1016 00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:24,081 was from licensing their logo on seafood. 1017 00:51:24,164 --> 00:51:27,542 Basically, the more blue ticks they handed out, the more money they made. 1018 00:51:27,626 --> 00:51:29,294 So as far as I was concerned, 1019 00:51:29,377 --> 00:51:31,963 there was no way I was gonna trust these labels again. 1020 00:51:32,047 --> 00:51:36,426 In fact, other attempts to regulate the industry were also failing, 1021 00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:37,844 with government observers 1022 00:51:37,928 --> 00:51:40,889 who are given the task of monitoring fishing activity on ships 1023 00:51:40,972 --> 00:51:44,267 being murdered at sea, thrown overboard, 1024 00:51:44,351 --> 00:51:48,021 like Keith Davis, a 41-year-old American observer, 1025 00:51:48,105 --> 00:51:50,982 who in recent years went missing off the coast of Peru, 1026 00:51:51,066 --> 00:51:52,526 never to be seen again. 1027 00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:54,027 In Papua New Guinea, 1028 00:51:54,111 --> 00:51:57,197 18 observers went missing in the space of just five years. 1029 00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,991 And in the Philippines, in 2015, 1030 00:52:00,075 --> 00:52:02,702 an observer by the name of Ms. Gerlie Alpajora 1031 00:52:02,786 --> 00:52:05,247 received death threats from the family of a tuna fisherman 1032 00:52:05,330 --> 00:52:06,957 who was arrested for illegal fishing. 1033 00:52:07,541 --> 00:52:10,502 Soon after, armed men entered her home, 1034 00:52:10,585 --> 00:52:14,047 and she was assassinated in cold blood with a gunshot to the head 1035 00:52:14,131 --> 00:52:16,633 in front of her two young boys. 1036 00:52:17,884 --> 00:52:19,386 When we look at fisheries crime, 1037 00:52:19,469 --> 00:52:23,932 we have to look at it within the context of transnational organized crime. 1038 00:52:24,015 --> 00:52:27,018 And the same syndicates that are behind illegal fishing 1039 00:52:27,102 --> 00:52:30,897 are the same criminal groups that are behind drug trafficking, 1040 00:52:30,981 --> 00:52:33,191 human trafficking, and other crimes. 1041 00:52:33,275 --> 00:52:37,571 If you get in the way of their business, you are risking your own life. 1042 00:52:37,654 --> 00:52:41,158 But also don't be surprised at the extent at which governments will go 1043 00:52:41,241 --> 00:52:43,160 to prevent you from exposing 1044 00:52:43,243 --> 00:52:46,913 the economic activities that they subsidize at sea. 1045 00:52:47,664 --> 00:52:50,750 A subsidy is taxpayer money given to an industry 1046 00:52:50,834 --> 00:52:53,920 to keep the price of a product or service artificially low. 1047 00:52:54,004 --> 00:52:55,881 And in an increasing number of countries, 1048 00:52:55,964 --> 00:52:59,426 more money was going out than the value of fish coming back in. 1049 00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:01,761 So if you don't eat fish, 1050 00:53:01,845 --> 00:53:04,014 you're still sustaining fisheries 1051 00:53:04,097 --> 00:53:06,433 because you're paying for it in your taxes. 1052 00:53:06,516 --> 00:53:09,186 So if you think about it, it's really shocking 1053 00:53:09,269 --> 00:53:11,646 that we subsidize the fishing industry 1054 00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:15,525 somewhere in the region of $35 billion, 1055 00:53:15,609 --> 00:53:18,612 which is the same amount that, according to United Nations, 1056 00:53:18,695 --> 00:53:20,947 we'd need to combat world hunger. 1057 00:53:22,449 --> 00:53:26,453 Subsidies were originally started as a means to ensure food security. 1058 00:53:26,536 --> 00:53:27,621 But ironically, 1059 00:53:27,704 --> 00:53:30,207 they are now the cause of food insecurity 1060 00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:31,917 in many developing regions. 1061 00:53:32,542 --> 00:53:35,545 Fishing by the European Union in places like West Africa 1062 00:53:35,629 --> 00:53:38,924 is driven by European Union subsidies. 1063 00:53:39,007 --> 00:53:41,885 And that means that local businesses can't compete 1064 00:53:41,968 --> 00:53:45,347 with the economic might of the European Union. 1065 00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:47,599 Really it's just a continuation 1066 00:53:47,682 --> 00:53:51,186 of a history of plundering the African continent. 1067 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,191 These intensive fishing operations weren't only wiping out the fish, 1068 00:53:56,274 --> 00:53:58,818 they were also destroying economies. 1069 00:53:58,902 --> 00:54:00,362 In the United States, 1070 00:54:00,445 --> 00:54:03,782 up to one in every three wild-caught fish imported 1071 00:54:03,865 --> 00:54:07,285 had been caught illegally, and therefore sold illegally. 1072 00:54:07,369 --> 00:54:10,247 Stolen, often from countries in most need, 1073 00:54:10,330 --> 00:54:12,207 where there are now wars over the fish. 1074 00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:15,252 One of the causes for the infamous pirates of Somalia, 1075 00:54:15,335 --> 00:54:17,254 now feared across the world, 1076 00:54:17,337 --> 00:54:19,214 was actually illegal fishing. 1077 00:54:19,798 --> 00:54:23,093 They were once humble fisherman working to feed their families. 1078 00:54:23,176 --> 00:54:25,220 But when Somalia fell to civil war, 1079 00:54:25,303 --> 00:54:29,557 foreign illegal fishing vessels, the real pirates of today's oceans, 1080 00:54:29,641 --> 00:54:32,143 invaded their waters and began taking the fish, 1081 00:54:32,227 --> 00:54:35,146 effectively pulling food from their mouths, 1082 00:54:35,230 --> 00:54:39,276 giving Somali fishermen no choice but to move into another line of work. 1083 00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:41,778 This plundering of the African Coast, though, 1084 00:54:41,861 --> 00:54:43,530 was happening across the continent. 1085 00:54:44,114 --> 00:54:46,783 And Sea Shepherd was on a daring mission to end this, 1086 00:54:46,866 --> 00:54:48,159 working with governments 1087 00:54:48,243 --> 00:54:50,829 to track down and arrest illegal fishing vessels 1088 00:54:50,912 --> 00:54:52,747 in places like Liberia. 1089 00:54:57,627 --> 00:55:00,255 Despite the warnings of traveling to this region of the world, 1090 00:55:00,338 --> 00:55:02,090 we decided to join Sea Shepherd 1091 00:55:02,173 --> 00:55:04,509 to get up close to the front line of this problem. 1092 00:55:05,969 --> 00:55:09,973 We have mostly international fleets coming from countries 1093 00:55:10,056 --> 00:55:12,767 where they've already depleted their own local stocks, 1094 00:55:12,851 --> 00:55:16,646 and they're pushing further and further away to try and make up for that. 1095 00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:19,774 And using more and more sophisticated technology 1096 00:55:19,858 --> 00:55:21,443 to increase their catch numbers. 1097 00:55:21,526 --> 00:55:23,028 When we look at international fleets, 1098 00:55:23,111 --> 00:55:25,322 they come here, and they either fish illegally... 1099 00:55:25,405 --> 00:55:27,782 And what they're catching is worth huge, huge amounts, 1100 00:55:27,866 --> 00:55:29,576 so it's like a gold rush. 1101 00:55:29,659 --> 00:55:32,787 Our coastal waters had now become a free-for-all, 1102 00:55:32,871 --> 00:55:36,291 until, quite recently, when we decided to pay attention to that, 1103 00:55:36,374 --> 00:55:37,876 and try to police it. 1104 00:55:37,959 --> 00:55:40,587 For us, with the military, when we go on these operations, 1105 00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:42,630 we assume the highest alert. 1106 00:55:42,714 --> 00:55:44,716 We know that it's piracy going on. 1107 00:55:44,799 --> 00:55:47,093 So indeed, it's a dangerous operation. 1108 00:55:54,184 --> 00:55:55,185 Upon arrival, 1109 00:55:55,268 --> 00:55:58,355 it became clear why the ocean around West Africa 1110 00:55:58,438 --> 00:55:59,814 was so worth protecting. 1111 00:56:03,651 --> 00:56:06,863 It was home to one of the last strongholds of life in our oceans. 1112 00:56:09,032 --> 00:56:12,619 Teeming with rare and wonderful wildlife of all kinds. 1113 00:56:16,164 --> 00:56:18,917 Countless species journeyed across the Atlantic Ocean 1114 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,211 to find themselves in these waters. 1115 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,963 A refuge for mating and feeding. 1116 00:56:24,047 --> 00:56:27,592 Living in as close to harmony and balance as I'd ever seen. 1117 00:56:28,676 --> 00:56:30,553 But there was another species, 1118 00:56:30,637 --> 00:56:34,140 journeying to these waters for a very different purpose. 1119 00:56:36,601 --> 00:56:38,812 It didn't take long to witness how Sea Shepherd 1120 00:56:38,895 --> 00:56:41,856 and the Liberian Coast Guard tracked down and boarded fishing vessels. 1121 00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,998 Species I had never seen in my entire life 1122 00:56:59,082 --> 00:57:01,960 were dying in the nets before I could even appreciate them. 1123 00:57:02,669 --> 00:57:04,254 But the scenes continued below deck, 1124 00:57:04,337 --> 00:57:08,967 where it became clear that these vessels were more like floating slaughterhouses. 1125 00:57:10,385 --> 00:57:13,012 This is the hold of just one purse seiner ship. 1126 00:57:13,555 --> 00:57:17,183 And this is just the tip of the iceberg, it goes down the whole size of the ship. 1127 00:57:17,267 --> 00:57:19,060 There could be hundreds of thousands of fish. 1128 00:57:19,144 --> 00:57:23,106 Seeing how hard it is to get on this ship, you need pretty much a military operation. 1129 00:57:23,189 --> 00:57:25,950 Plus, they could be fishing unsustainably, and no one would ever know. 1130 00:57:26,025 --> 00:57:28,194 They could sell this as sustainably certified. 1131 00:57:28,278 --> 00:57:32,365 So I just don't see how you could possibly enforce sustainable fishing laws 1132 00:57:32,449 --> 00:57:34,576 with all these boats this far out at sea. 1133 00:57:36,077 --> 00:57:37,954 I just don't see how it's possible. 1134 00:57:45,044 --> 00:57:46,129 It's at nighttime 1135 00:57:46,212 --> 00:57:49,048 that illegal fishing thrives under the cloak of darkness. 1136 00:57:49,132 --> 00:57:52,218 Vessels entering the waters of other countries without detection 1137 00:57:52,302 --> 00:57:53,928 and stealing the fish. 1138 00:57:54,012 --> 00:57:57,891 But that was also prime time for Sea Shepherd to do their work. 1139 00:57:57,974 --> 00:58:01,269 Yeah, we gonna board the vessel, we have to do it as soon as possible. 1140 00:58:01,352 --> 00:58:02,479 Copy that. 1141 00:58:02,562 --> 00:58:05,982 So, Sea Shepherd have just spotted a boat on the horizon. 1142 00:58:06,065 --> 00:58:07,233 It's on the radars. 1143 00:58:07,317 --> 00:58:08,902 Could be an illegal fishing vessel. 1144 00:58:08,985 --> 00:58:10,528 We're about to go and find out. 1145 00:58:54,405 --> 00:58:56,991 The ship was a Chinese trawler. 1146 00:58:57,116 --> 00:59:00,828 In its hold were huge quantities of illegally-caught fish. 1147 00:59:00,912 --> 00:59:03,623 The vessel was detained and fined. 1148 00:59:03,706 --> 00:59:05,250 It was only one victory, 1149 00:59:05,333 --> 00:59:08,294 but it sent a clear message to the other ships in the area, 1150 00:59:08,378 --> 00:59:11,339 that there were now real consequences to their illegal actions. 1151 00:59:12,131 --> 00:59:14,551 Still on the illegal fishing vessel after sunrise, 1152 00:59:14,634 --> 00:59:16,928 as the ship was getting ready to be taken back to port, 1153 00:59:17,512 --> 00:59:19,305 I saw some men rowing up to the ship. 1154 00:59:20,265 --> 00:59:23,101 I remembered the piracy warning from the Minister of Defense, 1155 00:59:23,184 --> 00:59:25,311 but these men didn't look like pirates. 1156 00:59:25,853 --> 00:59:29,232 Why were they risking their lives in open waters on a small canoe? 1157 00:59:30,066 --> 00:59:32,151 Suddenly, I saw this. 1158 00:59:34,112 --> 00:59:35,280 They were hungry. 1159 00:59:38,491 --> 00:59:40,994 If you look along the coast, these are people who've lived here 1160 00:59:41,077 --> 00:59:42,829 from time immemorial. 1161 00:59:42,912 --> 00:59:45,290 That's their livelihood, that's their way of life. 1162 00:59:45,373 --> 00:59:49,085 But when we allow the industrial fishing to come so close into their zone, 1163 00:59:49,168 --> 00:59:51,963 it doesn't give them a chance to get a good catch out of there. 1164 00:59:52,046 --> 00:59:54,632 'Cause if he cannot catch what he's supposed to catch 1165 00:59:54,716 --> 00:59:58,261 because a commercial vessel has come up and scoop up everything from here, 1166 00:59:58,344 --> 00:59:59,846 he's destined to go further out. 1167 00:59:59,929 --> 01:00:01,806 These guys are out here without life vests. 1168 01:00:01,889 --> 01:00:03,516 It's dangerous. Anything can happen. 1169 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,436 You get kicked out of your boat, or your canoe, that's it. 1170 01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:08,980 Fisheries workers at sea 1171 01:00:09,063 --> 01:00:11,357 have some of the most dangerous jobs on Earth. 1172 01:00:11,441 --> 01:00:12,317 In context, 1173 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,820 over 4,500 US soldiers were killed 1174 01:00:15,903 --> 01:00:18,698 in the Iraq War over the course of 15 years. 1175 01:00:18,781 --> 01:00:20,366 But during that same time, 1176 01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:24,787 360,000 fisheries workers died doing their job, 1177 01:00:24,871 --> 01:00:29,042 as an estimated 24,000 workers die every year. 1178 01:00:29,125 --> 01:00:31,127 And West African canoe fishermen 1179 01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:33,338 happened to have the highest mortality rates 1180 01:00:33,421 --> 01:00:35,590 of any fisheries job on the planet. 1181 01:00:36,591 --> 01:00:39,218 Huge numbers of people depended on the fish, 1182 01:00:39,302 --> 01:00:40,887 which is now mostly gone. 1183 01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:42,805 That's caused a great deal of hunger, 1184 01:00:42,889 --> 01:00:47,101 not just on the coast, but up to a thousand miles inland. 1185 01:00:47,185 --> 01:00:49,270 So, what do people do for fishing instead? 1186 01:00:49,854 --> 01:00:51,773 They'll hunt wild animals on land. 1187 01:00:51,856 --> 01:00:55,276 And that has not only had devastating impacts 1188 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,362 on animal life on land, 1189 01:00:57,445 --> 01:01:00,823 it also seems to have had a very major impact on human life, 1190 01:01:00,907 --> 01:01:02,867 because it's the bushmeat trade 1191 01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:06,454 which is responsible for the Ebola epidemics. 1192 01:01:06,537 --> 01:01:09,666 You can actually stand this up, it's in the scientific literature. 1193 01:01:09,749 --> 01:01:13,002 The theft of fish stocks is enhancing 1194 01:01:13,086 --> 01:01:16,923 or causing Ebola outbreaks of West Africa. 1195 01:01:19,217 --> 01:01:21,427 As our trip in Liberia drew to a close, 1196 01:01:21,511 --> 01:01:24,472 I questioned whether there was any alternative fishing method 1197 01:01:24,555 --> 01:01:26,432 that could provide some kind of solution 1198 01:01:26,516 --> 01:01:27,850 to both the environmental 1199 01:01:27,934 --> 01:01:30,687 and humanitarian ramifications of this industry. 1200 01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:34,857 And a glimmer of hope presented itself in the form of fish farming, 1201 01:01:34,941 --> 01:01:36,567 an industry with the reputation 1202 01:01:36,651 --> 01:01:39,070 of being an eco-friendly way to feed the world 1203 01:01:39,153 --> 01:01:41,572 without all the problems of wild-caught fish. 1204 01:01:42,448 --> 01:01:44,867 With no bycatch, no illegal fishing, 1205 01:01:44,951 --> 01:01:46,285 no sea-floor damage, 1206 01:01:46,369 --> 01:01:48,329 no killing of endangered species, 1207 01:01:48,413 --> 01:01:50,081 and no dangerous working conditions, 1208 01:01:50,164 --> 01:01:51,958 it was exactly what I was looking for. 1209 01:01:52,041 --> 01:01:54,168 Yeah, so a lot of people jump to the conclusion 1210 01:01:54,252 --> 01:01:56,796 that sustainable seafood comes from farming fish 1211 01:01:56,879 --> 01:01:58,339 and not high seas fishing, 1212 01:01:58,423 --> 01:02:00,425 but it's really not the case. 1213 01:02:00,508 --> 01:02:04,011 Uh, there's so many issues involved with farming fish, 1214 01:02:04,095 --> 01:02:07,098 uh, being pollution, disease, and we have to ask the question, 1215 01:02:07,181 --> 01:02:08,891 "What are these fish being fed?" 1216 01:02:08,975 --> 01:02:10,184 What were they being fed? 1217 01:02:10,268 --> 01:02:13,604 The industry claim that to produce one kilogram of farmed salmon, 1218 01:02:13,688 --> 01:02:16,441 only 1.2 kilograms of feed is needed. 1219 01:02:16,524 --> 01:02:20,403 But when I looked further, I found the feed is heavily processed, 1220 01:02:20,486 --> 01:02:22,238 and is made of dried fish meal 1221 01:02:22,321 --> 01:02:23,865 and extracted fish oil, 1222 01:02:23,948 --> 01:02:26,993 which requires a massive amount of fish to produce. 1223 01:02:27,076 --> 01:02:29,620 So in reality, you need many times more fish 1224 01:02:29,704 --> 01:02:31,372 going into the farmer's feed 1225 01:02:31,456 --> 01:02:32,790 than will ever come out. 1226 01:02:33,374 --> 01:02:34,459 So fish farming 1227 01:02:34,542 --> 01:02:36,461 was just wild fishing in disguise. 1228 01:02:37,086 --> 01:02:39,213 And what made this even more shocking 1229 01:02:39,297 --> 01:02:42,467 was the scale fish farming already operates at. 1230 01:02:42,550 --> 01:02:45,595 Today, around 50% of the world's seafood 1231 01:02:45,678 --> 01:02:47,805 is coming from farms like these. 1232 01:02:48,389 --> 01:02:53,060 Huge cages in the ocean containing tens of thousands of fish. 1233 01:02:55,104 --> 01:02:56,773 So we decided to leave Liberia 1234 01:02:56,856 --> 01:02:59,358 and journey back to the UK, for Scotland, 1235 01:02:59,442 --> 01:03:02,195 one of the world's leading producers of farmed salmon. 1236 01:03:02,278 --> 01:03:04,947 Since none of the major companies wanted to speak to us, 1237 01:03:05,031 --> 01:03:08,242 we decided to meet with some of the industry's whistleblowers instead. 1238 01:03:08,743 --> 01:03:11,329 The salmon farming industry in Scotland is extremely powerful. 1239 01:03:11,412 --> 01:03:14,332 And we're talking about billion-dollar multinationals, 1240 01:03:14,415 --> 01:03:17,668 which have the resources and the skills to dominate the narrative, 1241 01:03:17,752 --> 01:03:20,922 and ensure that the only information that gets out 1242 01:03:21,005 --> 01:03:22,725 is the information they're comfortable with. 1243 01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:24,550 So when I went to document the issues, 1244 01:03:24,634 --> 01:03:27,261 ended up making my way out to one of the farms. 1245 01:03:27,345 --> 01:03:31,390 And there, I filmed some of the most severe sea lice infestations 1246 01:03:31,474 --> 01:03:32,809 that's ever been recorded. 1247 01:03:34,060 --> 01:03:37,772 Corin was able to capture footage of salmon being eaten alive 1248 01:03:37,855 --> 01:03:40,358 by an infestation of sea lice parasites. 1249 01:03:40,441 --> 01:03:43,611 A common reality of fish farming across the world. 1250 01:03:44,195 --> 01:03:46,656 It was sad to think that this incredible species, 1251 01:03:46,739 --> 01:03:48,866 which had evolved for millions of years 1252 01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:51,744 to migrate across entire oceans and navigate up rivers 1253 01:03:51,828 --> 01:03:54,247 to reach the exact same spawning grounds they were born in, 1254 01:03:54,330 --> 01:03:57,959 were now confined to swim in circles in their own filth. 1255 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,671 So, it's estimated that each salmon farm in Scotland 1256 01:04:01,754 --> 01:04:06,425 produces organic waste equivalent to a town of 10 to 20,000 people. 1257 01:04:06,509 --> 01:04:08,928 And taken together, it's estimated that 1258 01:04:09,011 --> 01:04:11,889 the Scottish salmon farming industry produces organic waste 1259 01:04:11,973 --> 01:04:14,851 equivalent to the entire population of Scotland each year. 1260 01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:23,109 The next activist I wanted to meet was Don Staniford, 1261 01:04:23,192 --> 01:04:27,905 who'd been going undercover to expose the reality of fish farms for years. 1262 01:04:27,989 --> 01:04:30,032 And we agreed to go undercover with him. 1263 01:04:32,243 --> 01:04:34,495 So, we're here at Marine Harvest Salmon Farm, 1264 01:04:34,579 --> 01:04:35,705 and it's disgusting. 1265 01:04:35,788 --> 01:04:38,374 This is the... This is the stench of Scottish salmon. 1266 01:04:38,457 --> 01:04:41,544 This is where salmon go to die from the farms. 1267 01:04:41,627 --> 01:04:45,965 Maybe 50% of the salmon are dying from egg to plate, from hatch to catch. 1268 01:04:46,048 --> 01:04:48,050 And this is the Mortality Mountain. 1269 01:04:48,134 --> 01:04:51,262 This is a symptom of factory battery salmon farming. 1270 01:04:51,345 --> 01:04:53,431 These fish are dying from anemia, 1271 01:04:53,514 --> 01:04:54,849 lice infestation, 1272 01:04:54,932 --> 01:04:56,350 infectious diseases, 1273 01:04:56,434 --> 01:04:58,019 chlamydia, heart disease. 1274 01:04:58,102 --> 01:04:59,270 This is welfare abuse. 1275 01:04:59,353 --> 01:05:02,315 So, far from being a panacea for the world food problem, 1276 01:05:02,398 --> 01:05:04,609 salmon farming is a waste of resources. 1277 01:05:04,692 --> 01:05:06,527 It's biological nonsense. 1278 01:05:07,528 --> 01:05:09,155 The stench was horrifying. 1279 01:05:09,238 --> 01:05:11,365 These weren't the bright orange and pink salmon 1280 01:05:11,449 --> 01:05:13,117 I'd seen in the commercials. 1281 01:05:13,743 --> 01:05:15,286 So, farmed salmon, 1282 01:05:15,369 --> 01:05:18,706 without colorants being added to its feed, would be completely gray, 1283 01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:23,044 to the extent that salmon farmers can actually select from a color chart, 1284 01:05:23,127 --> 01:05:24,879 much like you get when painting your house. 1285 01:05:24,962 --> 01:05:28,382 You can select the pinkness of the salmon that you're gonna produce. 1286 01:05:28,466 --> 01:05:30,426 So it wouldn't be for me to say, 1287 01:05:30,509 --> 01:05:33,846 but it does seem like people are eating gray fish that's painted pink. 1288 01:05:35,806 --> 01:05:38,517 This was the real monster in the lochs of Scotland. 1289 01:05:38,601 --> 01:05:41,062 But the environmental impact of farming marine life 1290 01:05:41,145 --> 01:05:42,438 didn't end with fish. 1291 01:05:43,022 --> 01:05:46,817 One of the world's most important habitats is mangroves. 1292 01:05:46,901 --> 01:05:50,780 Now, mangrove forests are absolutely crucial storm barriers. 1293 01:05:50,863 --> 01:05:55,368 They protect communities from storm surges, even from tsunamis. 1294 01:05:55,451 --> 01:05:59,664 And yet, 38% of the world's mangroves have been destroyed 1295 01:05:59,747 --> 01:06:01,999 by shrimp and prawn farming. 1296 01:06:02,083 --> 01:06:06,253 However, it's the shrimp feed which is having the greatest humanitarian impact, 1297 01:06:06,337 --> 01:06:08,756 because it depends on slavery. 1298 01:06:08,839 --> 01:06:11,258 We hear a lot about blood diamonds. 1299 01:06:11,842 --> 01:06:13,094 This is blood shrimp. 1300 01:06:15,054 --> 01:06:18,349 This recent aerial footage shows a fisherman in Southeast Asia 1301 01:06:18,432 --> 01:06:20,726 writing a secret message to the drone, 1302 01:06:20,810 --> 01:06:22,478 out of sight of the captain. 1303 01:06:26,607 --> 01:06:30,152 Slavery at sea is a massive problem. 1304 01:06:30,236 --> 01:06:33,739 I think it's very hard to give precise figures, 1305 01:06:33,823 --> 01:06:36,867 precisely because it operates under the radar. 1306 01:06:36,951 --> 01:06:40,162 Those people who are driving these abuses, 1307 01:06:40,246 --> 01:06:42,373 for obvious reasons, don't want to get found out. 1308 01:06:42,456 --> 01:06:44,834 In that regard, I would point to Thailand. 1309 01:06:44,917 --> 01:06:49,046 So there are now somewhere in the region of about 51,000 boats fishing 1310 01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:51,048 in Thai waters under the Thai flag. 1311 01:06:51,132 --> 01:06:56,804 They had to find a way of fishing ever more cheaply to catch fewer fish. 1312 01:06:56,887 --> 01:07:00,349 And that's where the inherent vulnerability begins. 1313 01:07:00,433 --> 01:07:05,730 Most of those boats would not be economic without this free, cheap labor. 1314 01:07:08,315 --> 01:07:11,360 I had no idea when I started my journey that it would lead me here, 1315 01:07:11,444 --> 01:07:14,405 but it was hard to believe the fishing industry could be this corrupt. 1316 01:07:14,488 --> 01:07:17,158 The information I was finding online was conflicting, 1317 01:07:17,241 --> 01:07:21,370 so I wanted to ask the industry myself, at an international seafood expo 1318 01:07:21,454 --> 01:07:23,664 open only to industry insiders. 1319 01:07:23,748 --> 01:07:25,499 We created fake business cards 1320 01:07:25,583 --> 01:07:27,710 for a fake seafood company to sneak in, 1321 01:07:27,793 --> 01:07:29,795 which actually worked, 1322 01:07:29,879 --> 01:07:32,089 and secretly filmed my interaction 1323 01:07:32,173 --> 01:07:34,341 with a representative from Thai seafood. 1324 01:07:34,425 --> 01:07:35,843 I was doing some research... 1325 01:07:35,926 --> 01:07:36,761 Research? 1326 01:07:36,844 --> 01:07:41,057 Research. And I found out that a lot of, uh, Thai shrimp and prawns 1327 01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:43,434 are coming from slave labor. People kidnapped... 1328 01:07:43,517 --> 01:07:45,186 - Oh, no, no! - It's not true? 1329 01:07:45,269 --> 01:07:46,270 No, not true! 1330 01:07:46,353 --> 01:07:48,522 - Whoa! So they're lying? - Lying. 1331 01:07:49,106 --> 01:07:51,734 - So there's no slavery going on? - No, no. 1332 01:07:51,859 --> 01:07:53,152 So why would they say that? 1333 01:07:53,652 --> 01:07:56,530 I don't know. You ask them that. 1334 01:07:56,614 --> 01:07:59,200 - Yeah. So it's... - Business, huh? It's business. 1335 01:07:59,283 --> 01:08:01,118 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's business. 1336 01:08:01,702 --> 01:08:06,415 I was so fed up by all these companies and NGOs bluewashing the truth, 1337 01:08:06,499 --> 01:08:08,834 but honestly, I didn't know what to think. 1338 01:08:08,918 --> 01:08:10,878 The only way I could find out for sure 1339 01:08:10,961 --> 01:08:13,380 if fishing slavery was still going on today 1340 01:08:13,464 --> 01:08:16,300 was by actually speaking to these fishing slaves ourselves. 1341 01:08:16,383 --> 01:08:20,471 Would you say there's any safety concerns for me making this film? 1342 01:08:21,222 --> 01:08:22,765 The safety concerns are serious. 1343 01:08:22,848 --> 01:08:27,061 And I think, ignore them at your risk. 1344 01:08:27,144 --> 01:08:29,688 You can see people are being murdered. 1345 01:08:29,772 --> 01:08:32,650 So some of those involved are murderers. 1346 01:08:32,733 --> 01:08:35,111 Somebody might kill you, and that is possible 1347 01:08:35,194 --> 01:08:38,405 if you're foolish, and if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time. 1348 01:08:38,489 --> 01:08:43,119 You can be victim of unfair or unreasonable actions by the law 1349 01:08:43,202 --> 01:08:45,788 who have been paid, i.e. a victim of corruption. 1350 01:08:45,871 --> 01:08:47,873 So you have to be extremely careful, 1351 01:08:47,957 --> 01:08:51,377 and the security protocols that you apply 1352 01:08:51,460 --> 01:08:54,755 may well mean the difference between life and death. 1353 01:09:02,471 --> 01:09:03,889 We arrived in Bangkok 1354 01:09:03,973 --> 01:09:07,101 with the details of a halfway home for escaped slaves. 1355 01:09:07,184 --> 01:09:09,603 We knew that just by filming these interviews 1356 01:09:09,687 --> 01:09:12,648 and shining a light on the criminal activities in the country, 1357 01:09:12,731 --> 01:09:15,192 we were putting ourselves and those around us at risk. 1358 01:09:16,443 --> 01:09:18,279 Don't film my face. 1359 01:09:18,362 --> 01:09:20,364 I can be hunted down for helping you. 1360 01:09:21,115 --> 01:09:23,367 All we could do was cross our fingers, 1361 01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:25,330 and hope we got the answers we were looking for. 1362 01:09:31,375 --> 01:09:35,212 Could you start off by telling me how long you were on these ships for? 1363 01:09:35,921 --> 01:09:38,465 I was at sea for 10 years, 2 months, and 2 days. 1364 01:09:40,968 --> 01:09:45,806 I was scared, let me be straight with you. 1365 01:09:45,890 --> 01:09:51,729 Nobody could get off the ship, there were guards that kept eyes on us. 1366 01:09:52,354 --> 01:09:56,400 I was at sea for six years. 1367 01:09:57,234 --> 01:10:02,406 I was so depressed I tried to take my own life three times. 1368 01:10:02,990 --> 01:10:06,452 When I first met the captain on land, we drank and had a good time. 1369 01:10:06,535 --> 01:10:09,330 But once I was on the ship and the ship left the shore, 1370 01:10:09,413 --> 01:10:11,874 the captain changed from white to red. 1371 01:10:11,957 --> 01:10:14,752 He changed, like we didn't know each other. 1372 01:10:14,835 --> 01:10:17,838 He bullied and abused me like we didn't know each other. 1373 01:10:17,922 --> 01:10:21,675 He splashed us with boiling water when we were sick and tired, 1374 01:10:21,759 --> 01:10:25,930 hit us whenever he wasn't happy by using an iron bar, 1375 01:10:26,013 --> 01:10:29,350 and threatened us with a gun. 1376 01:10:31,101 --> 01:10:34,355 On the ship I was on, 1377 01:10:34,438 --> 01:10:38,776 sometimes they kept dead human bodies in the freezers after killing them. 1378 01:10:39,860 --> 01:10:42,988 On my ship, boys dropped into the sea and drowned. 1379 01:10:46,992 --> 01:10:50,788 I saw their dead bodies floating on the water surface days later. 1380 01:10:51,622 --> 01:10:53,791 I felt sorry for their parents, 1381 01:10:53,874 --> 01:10:55,918 they would never know of their son's death. 1382 01:10:56,460 --> 01:11:01,048 When ships are in the middle of the ocean, where problems occur, 1383 01:11:02,091 --> 01:11:05,886 they can throw you overboard into the sea. 1384 01:11:05,970 --> 01:11:09,932 They can just say to the authorities 1385 01:11:10,015 --> 01:11:13,560 that you were sick and fell into the sea. 1386 01:11:14,770 --> 01:11:18,315 People don't see how we catch seafood, 1387 01:11:18,399 --> 01:11:20,859 they only care for consumption. 1388 01:11:20,943 --> 01:11:26,740 A lot of the seafood we're consuming today is from slavery, 1389 01:11:26,824 --> 01:11:29,410 from forced labor. 1390 01:11:29,493 --> 01:11:33,497 I would like to see everyone stop supporting them 1391 01:11:33,580 --> 01:11:35,708 if that's possible. 1392 01:11:36,792 --> 01:11:39,336 Would you be able to take us to the slave ships, 1393 01:11:39,420 --> 01:11:41,422 or is it too dangerous to film? 1394 01:11:41,505 --> 01:11:43,007 Oh... 1395 01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:50,055 It's dangerous for you to make this documentary, and film these ships. 1396 01:11:50,848 --> 01:11:53,517 If you're scared of dying, go home. 1397 01:11:56,687 --> 01:11:58,439 At this point, off-camera, 1398 01:11:58,522 --> 01:12:01,358 we were notified that we had to end the interview right then and there 1399 01:12:01,442 --> 01:12:02,943 as police were on their way. 1400 01:12:03,027 --> 01:12:06,030 Someone had reported us for filming without permits, 1401 01:12:06,113 --> 01:12:08,240 and we needed to get out of there immediately. 1402 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,925 I was sad to be leaving Thailand so suddenly, 1403 01:12:27,009 --> 01:12:30,012 knowing there were young men just like me trapped on fishing boats 1404 01:12:30,095 --> 01:12:31,638 who'd never be able to go home. 1405 01:12:31,722 --> 01:12:35,351 But after risking our safety, I felt powerless to do anything about it. 1406 01:12:35,434 --> 01:12:38,812 Especially knowing the authorities were involved in covering it up. 1407 01:12:47,571 --> 01:12:50,115 Back home, it'd been weeks since I picked up a camera. 1408 01:12:50,949 --> 01:12:53,160 The gravity of everything had caught up with me, 1409 01:12:53,243 --> 01:12:54,912 and frankly, I was overwhelmed. 1410 01:12:55,621 --> 01:12:56,914 However, months earlier, 1411 01:12:56,997 --> 01:12:59,124 we had booked a trip to the Faroe Islands, 1412 01:12:59,208 --> 01:13:03,045 a small archipelago in the North Atlantic that practiced an old form of whaling. 1413 01:13:03,128 --> 01:13:05,422 We'd booked the trip back when I thought whaling 1414 01:13:05,506 --> 01:13:07,758 was one of the biggest threats facing the ocean. 1415 01:13:07,841 --> 01:13:11,637 But after witnessing much greater impacts and the human rights abuses that followed, 1416 01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,847 it seemed like a step backwards. 1417 01:13:13,931 --> 01:13:17,059 However, this particular form of whaling, called a "Grind," 1418 01:13:17,142 --> 01:13:21,105 had recently received attention in the media as a sustainable form of whaling, 1419 01:13:21,188 --> 01:13:24,525 claiming the species of whale aren't endangered and that hunting them 1420 01:13:24,608 --> 01:13:26,819 caused no environmental damage. 1421 01:13:26,902 --> 01:13:30,322 Whales were the whole reason I set out on this journey in the first place, 1422 01:13:30,406 --> 01:13:33,409 and I was skeptical about how sustainable it could possibly be. 1423 01:13:33,492 --> 01:13:37,287 So we decided to make one final trip to the Faroe Islands, 1424 01:13:37,371 --> 01:13:39,498 in the hopes of witnessing one of these hunts 1425 01:13:39,581 --> 01:13:41,125 and speaking to a whaler. 1426 01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:43,502 Some years on the islands, 1427 01:13:43,585 --> 01:13:46,088 a whale hunt may only occur a handful of times. 1428 01:13:46,672 --> 01:13:48,674 Other years, none at all. 1429 01:13:49,466 --> 01:13:52,344 We patiently awaited news of a hunt for ten days, 1430 01:13:52,428 --> 01:13:54,972 until finally, we received the call. 1431 01:14:00,185 --> 01:14:01,687 There's a Grind? How far? 1432 01:14:03,689 --> 01:14:04,689 Okay. 1433 01:14:05,816 --> 01:14:06,733 Hvannasund? 1434 01:14:06,817 --> 01:14:07,985 How do you spell that? 1435 01:14:08,068 --> 01:14:10,571 H-V... yeah. 1436 01:14:12,906 --> 01:14:15,742 Yeah, I know where it is. Okay, okay. See you later. 1437 01:17:47,162 --> 01:17:49,873 In the chaos of everything that happened, 1438 01:17:49,956 --> 01:17:52,376 I finally understood sustainability. 1439 01:17:52,876 --> 01:17:56,588 It just meant that something could continue on and on forever 1440 01:17:57,339 --> 01:18:00,175 regardless of how much suffering it caused. 1441 01:18:00,258 --> 01:18:01,176 In reality, 1442 01:18:01,259 --> 01:18:03,970 the Grind was about as sustainable as you could get. 1443 01:18:04,054 --> 01:18:06,473 But I began to wonder whether sustainability 1444 01:18:06,556 --> 01:18:09,601 was truly the right goal for how we took care of the ocean. 1445 01:18:13,146 --> 01:18:15,857 So, I don't feel like I'm a bad person. 1446 01:18:15,941 --> 01:18:20,237 If somebody want to say, "Yeah, you're a bad person for killing a whale." 1447 01:18:20,779 --> 01:18:24,449 Uh, I would rather kill one whale than 2,000 chickens. 1448 01:18:24,533 --> 01:18:26,952 That's about the same amount of meat. 1449 01:18:27,536 --> 01:18:30,372 Uh, so if the world wants to take 2,000 lives, 1450 01:18:30,455 --> 01:18:32,708 and we are taking one, you're welcome. 1451 01:18:33,208 --> 01:18:34,626 And at that point, 1452 01:18:34,710 --> 01:18:39,047 I feel like I'm a better person than many other people 1453 01:18:39,131 --> 01:18:41,466 that are thinking about, 1454 01:18:42,050 --> 01:18:44,594 "Yeah, we had salmon for dinner last night." 1455 01:18:44,678 --> 01:18:45,678 Yeah? 1456 01:18:46,012 --> 01:18:47,723 Four people, salmon, 1457 01:18:47,806 --> 01:18:51,017 that means two, three salmons killed. 1458 01:18:51,601 --> 01:18:55,689 Do you really feel good about yourself killing two salmons 1459 01:18:56,231 --> 01:18:57,357 for eating dinner? 1460 01:18:58,150 --> 01:19:00,861 Uh, I can follow the thoughts that people are saying, 1461 01:19:01,737 --> 01:19:04,197 "If you want to eat, don't kill anything." 1462 01:19:04,281 --> 01:19:07,951 Like, just eating vegetables, and fruits, and stuff like that. 1463 01:19:08,034 --> 01:19:09,202 I can go along with that, 1464 01:19:09,286 --> 01:19:13,081 but I really can't go along with people that are saying, 1465 01:19:13,707 --> 01:19:15,000 Uh, "You must not kill Grind." 1466 01:19:16,001 --> 01:19:19,129 And then, they are killing or eating other animals. 1467 01:19:19,212 --> 01:19:22,340 For me, a fish, a chicken, a whale, 1468 01:19:22,424 --> 01:19:24,801 exactly the same value. 1469 01:19:24,885 --> 01:19:26,261 It has one life. 1470 01:19:27,095 --> 01:19:28,095 And... 1471 01:19:28,889 --> 01:19:31,433 some say it doesn't need to be taken for getting food, 1472 01:19:31,516 --> 01:19:33,310 but that's what we are doing. 1473 01:19:40,358 --> 01:19:42,652 Although I didn't agree with everything he said, 1474 01:19:42,736 --> 01:19:44,196 the whaler had a point. 1475 01:19:44,279 --> 01:19:46,239 All this time, I had only looked at fish 1476 01:19:46,323 --> 01:19:49,576 and other marine life in terms of sustainability and ecological impact, 1477 01:19:49,659 --> 01:19:52,704 but I never considered the lives of these animals in their own right, 1478 01:19:52,788 --> 01:19:54,039 or whether they could feel. 1479 01:19:55,499 --> 01:19:59,669 To me, it's remarkable that the question is even asked that, 1480 01:19:59,753 --> 01:20:02,255 "Do fish feel pain?" 1481 01:20:03,256 --> 01:20:07,052 As a scientist, it's common sense. 1482 01:20:07,135 --> 01:20:09,137 They have a nervous system, fish do. 1483 01:20:09,221 --> 01:20:13,266 They have the basic elements that all vertebrates have. 1484 01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:17,646 They have the capacity to feel on a level 1485 01:20:17,729 --> 01:20:19,856 that I almost can't imagine we can. 1486 01:20:19,940 --> 01:20:22,400 We feel pain, we feel touch. 1487 01:20:22,484 --> 01:20:25,862 But fish have a lateral line down their sides 1488 01:20:25,946 --> 01:20:29,699 that senses the most exquisite little movements in the water. 1489 01:20:29,783 --> 01:20:32,285 So you see a thousand fish moving like one fish. 1490 01:20:32,369 --> 01:20:36,039 Those who say, "Doesn't matter what you do to a fish, they can't feel anything." 1491 01:20:36,122 --> 01:20:40,043 Or that they... Their consciousness, they can't relate to pain, 1492 01:20:40,126 --> 01:20:42,254 or they can't sense danger in the future. 1493 01:20:42,337 --> 01:20:45,465 Well, they haven't really observed fish. 1494 01:20:45,549 --> 01:20:47,926 I think it's a justification 1495 01:20:48,009 --> 01:20:51,721 for doing dastardly things to innocent creatures. 1496 01:20:52,681 --> 01:20:56,810 It's the only explanation I can think of for treating fish 1497 01:20:56,893 --> 01:20:59,187 with such a barbaric attitude. 1498 01:20:59,771 --> 01:21:01,356 So you don't eat fish? 1499 01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,526 Oh, I don't eat fish now, or any animal. 1500 01:21:05,652 --> 01:21:07,737 A scientific panel for the European Union 1501 01:21:07,821 --> 01:21:11,491 concluded that fish do in fact feel pain and experience fear. 1502 01:21:11,992 --> 01:21:14,077 Just like dolphins and whales, 1503 01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,329 fish can also have complex social lives, 1504 01:21:16,413 --> 01:21:19,791 even teaming up with other species to find food. 1505 01:21:19,875 --> 01:21:23,587 With research proving, once and for all, the intelligence, memory capabilities, 1506 01:21:23,670 --> 01:21:25,213 and sentience of these animals, 1507 01:21:25,297 --> 01:21:28,258 fish, and even crustaceans, were more like us 1508 01:21:28,341 --> 01:21:29,843 than we ever expected. 1509 01:21:29,926 --> 01:21:33,305 Fishes probably invented all of the familiar senses to us. 1510 01:21:33,388 --> 01:21:35,265 Uh, they've been around a long time. 1511 01:21:35,348 --> 01:21:38,018 So they have excellent vision, hearing, 1512 01:21:38,101 --> 01:21:40,395 sense of touch, sense of smell and taste. 1513 01:21:40,478 --> 01:21:42,606 They have the right kind of pain receptors 1514 01:21:42,689 --> 01:21:45,901 for physical, chemical, and heat types of pain, 1515 01:21:45,984 --> 01:21:47,736 the same three kinds that we have. 1516 01:21:48,528 --> 01:21:51,698 And also, there's evidence that fishes show, uh, curiosity, 1517 01:21:51,781 --> 01:21:53,742 perhaps concern, perhaps, uh, fear, 1518 01:21:53,825 --> 01:21:56,536 when they can see other fishes being taken out of their tanks, 1519 01:21:56,620 --> 01:21:59,164 and chopped up on a block right outside the tank. 1520 01:21:59,247 --> 01:22:01,124 It could be family members, or relatives, 1521 01:22:01,207 --> 01:22:04,502 or just individuals who they've gotten to like over time. 1522 01:22:04,586 --> 01:22:08,798 There's emerging science on how animals do use democratic decision-making. 1523 01:22:08,882 --> 01:22:12,552 One example is herrings, they have a very curious way of communicating. 1524 01:22:12,636 --> 01:22:14,387 They actually fart to communicate. 1525 01:22:14,471 --> 01:22:17,641 So, if 60% of the herrings in the school are farting, 1526 01:22:17,724 --> 01:22:20,602 then that means it's time to leave, maybe not surprisingly. 1527 01:22:20,685 --> 01:22:23,813 But they actually use that as a communication tool. 1528 01:22:25,565 --> 01:22:27,651 I can't keep a straight face. 1529 01:22:29,277 --> 01:22:30,528 As hilarious as that was, 1530 01:22:30,612 --> 01:22:34,032 I'd always been taught that seafood was an important part of a healthy diet, 1531 01:22:34,115 --> 01:22:35,450 and I still had some questions. 1532 01:22:35,533 --> 01:22:38,745 What am I going to miss out on if I stopped eating seafood? 1533 01:22:39,537 --> 01:22:41,456 Well, what you're gonna miss out on, 1534 01:22:41,539 --> 01:22:43,124 if you stopped eating seafood, 1535 01:22:43,208 --> 01:22:45,710 is you're gonna miss out on all that toxic heavy metal. 1536 01:22:45,794 --> 01:22:46,795 Mercury, right? 1537 01:22:46,878 --> 01:22:50,340 You're gonna decrease your intake of dioxins and PCBs, 1538 01:22:50,423 --> 01:22:52,801 these other, you know, persistent organic pollutants. 1539 01:22:52,884 --> 01:22:54,844 The aquatic food chain 1540 01:22:54,928 --> 01:22:59,099 is the most concentrated source of industrial pollutants. 1541 01:22:59,182 --> 01:23:00,725 The thought of clean fish? 1542 01:23:00,809 --> 01:23:03,770 There's just dirty fish and then dirtier fish. 1543 01:23:03,853 --> 01:23:06,690 And so if you look at the number one source of dioxin exposure, 1544 01:23:06,773 --> 01:23:09,234 of toxic heavy metal exposure, PCB exposure, 1545 01:23:09,317 --> 01:23:10,860 of hexachlorobenzene, 1546 01:23:10,944 --> 01:23:13,655 plastics compounds, flame-retardant chemicals... 1547 01:23:13,738 --> 01:23:15,532 I mean, you name your industrial pollutant, 1548 01:23:15,615 --> 01:23:17,325 it's found most concentrated in fish. 1549 01:23:17,409 --> 01:23:22,122 Again, because that's just where the pollutants eventually end up. 1550 01:23:22,205 --> 01:23:25,250 Mercury is totally a toxicant to the body. 1551 01:23:25,333 --> 01:23:28,795 Let's say mercury from some industry pollutes the air or the water. 1552 01:23:28,878 --> 01:23:32,549 Small bacteria, plankton, they start picking up on the mercury. 1553 01:23:32,632 --> 01:23:34,968 And then, small creatures eat those. 1554 01:23:35,051 --> 01:23:38,388 Then you've got the smaller fish eaten by the bigger fish, and so on. 1555 01:23:38,471 --> 01:23:41,516 In essence, this is called bioaccumulation. 1556 01:23:41,599 --> 01:23:45,103 So there's other things in fish, it's not just omega-3 fatty acids. 1557 01:23:45,186 --> 01:23:50,025 Those contaminants oftentimes outweigh the benefits of the nutrients. 1558 01:23:50,108 --> 01:23:52,902 A common belief is that fish are the best source 1559 01:23:52,986 --> 01:23:55,530 of these essential omega-3 fatty acids, 1560 01:23:56,114 --> 01:23:59,909 but people don't realize that fish don't make omega-3 fatty acids. 1561 01:23:59,993 --> 01:24:03,288 It's the algae cells that are making the omega-3 fats, 1562 01:24:03,371 --> 01:24:05,999 and the fish swallow the algae cells. 1563 01:24:06,082 --> 01:24:10,045 And the algal DHA is what winds up in the fish's flesh, 1564 01:24:10,128 --> 01:24:12,714 that when we kill the fish, and crush its flesh, 1565 01:24:12,797 --> 01:24:15,842 and squeeze out the "fish oil" for the omega-3s, 1566 01:24:15,925 --> 01:24:18,470 it was really algae oil in there all the time. 1567 01:24:18,553 --> 01:24:22,515 So why not just eat the algae that has those great benefits we're looking for? 1568 01:24:22,599 --> 01:24:24,726 Why even mess with the middleman, 1569 01:24:24,809 --> 01:24:26,436 and just eat the direct source. 1570 01:24:26,519 --> 01:24:29,606 We started New Wave Foods with the mission to disrupt seafood, 1571 01:24:29,689 --> 01:24:32,901 not oceans, by creating seafood from sea plants. 1572 01:24:32,984 --> 01:24:36,112 So you're not gonna miss out on taste, it's there for you. It's delicious. 1573 01:24:36,196 --> 01:24:39,449 But you will miss the cholesterol, there's no PCBs, 1574 01:24:39,532 --> 01:24:42,535 no mercury, no heavy antibiotics. 1575 01:24:42,619 --> 01:24:45,955 You get the things you want from seafood, but none of the negative things. 1576 01:24:46,039 --> 01:24:47,499 Plant-based solutions, I think, 1577 01:24:47,582 --> 01:24:50,794 is definitely one of the best options that we have to go forward. 1578 01:24:50,877 --> 01:24:55,006 Traditional animal agriculture, raising cows and chickens on land, 1579 01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:56,382 have huge impacts in the ocean. 1580 01:24:56,466 --> 01:24:59,677 The runoff from those procedures create dead zones in the environment. 1581 01:24:59,761 --> 01:25:02,388 And fishing and fish farming, too. So if we can find alternatives 1582 01:25:02,472 --> 01:25:05,016 that are just as delicious, just as healthy for you, 1583 01:25:05,100 --> 01:25:08,061 but better for the environment, why wouldn't we do it? 1584 01:25:08,645 --> 01:25:10,647 My journey had taken me far. 1585 01:25:10,730 --> 01:25:13,525 And despite witnessing catastrophic destruction, 1586 01:25:13,608 --> 01:25:16,528 I had more admiration for the ocean than ever before. 1587 01:25:17,028 --> 01:25:19,197 I felt empowered by what I'd learned, 1588 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,908 and couldn't wait to put it into practice. 1589 01:25:21,991 --> 01:25:24,410 Although I still pick up trash on beaches, 1590 01:25:24,494 --> 01:25:27,580 and have embarked on a project to continue investigating 1591 01:25:27,664 --> 01:25:30,041 and reporting on environmental issues, 1592 01:25:30,125 --> 01:25:32,293 with so many plant-based alternatives 1593 01:25:32,377 --> 01:25:35,630 emerging for almost every seafood product I could imagine... 1594 01:25:37,173 --> 01:25:41,302 I realized the single best thing I could do every single day 1595 01:25:41,386 --> 01:25:44,556 to protect the ocean and the marine life I loved, 1596 01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:45,639 was to simply... 1597 01:25:46,182 --> 01:25:47,308 not eat them. 1598 01:25:48,518 --> 01:25:50,895 If we protect more and fish less, 1599 01:25:50,979 --> 01:25:52,939 and restore that kind of balance 1600 01:25:53,022 --> 01:25:54,649 and healthy ecosystem, 1601 01:25:54,732 --> 01:25:57,986 they've got a good chance of making it through the tough times ahead. 1602 01:25:58,069 --> 01:25:59,320 There is real hope here 1603 01:25:59,404 --> 01:26:03,491 because marine ecosystems bounce back so quickly 1604 01:26:03,575 --> 01:26:04,575 if they're allowed to. 1605 01:26:05,118 --> 01:26:07,287 You would see the reefs coming back, 1606 01:26:07,370 --> 01:26:11,624 you would see these incredible shoals of fish returning, 1607 01:26:11,708 --> 01:26:14,586 you would see the whales returning to our coast. 1608 01:26:14,669 --> 01:26:17,046 This is within our grasp. 1609 01:26:17,130 --> 01:26:18,506 We can do this. 1610 01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:21,176 The prospects for marine recovery, 1611 01:26:21,259 --> 01:26:23,928 for rewilding, are incredibly exciting, 1612 01:26:24,012 --> 01:26:27,765 but it can only happen if very large areas of sea 1613 01:26:28,349 --> 01:26:30,935 are closed to commercial fishing. 1614 01:26:31,019 --> 01:26:34,147 And while governments are not prepared to take action, 1615 01:26:34,230 --> 01:26:37,442 and while the industry is basically unregulated, 1616 01:26:37,525 --> 01:26:39,485 the only ethical thing to do 1617 01:26:40,195 --> 01:26:41,696 is to stop eating fish. 1618 01:26:41,779 --> 01:26:47,785 It isn't too late to take the best hope we will ever have 1619 01:26:47,869 --> 01:26:49,913 of having a home in this universe. 1620 01:26:49,996 --> 01:26:53,333 To respect what we've got, to protect what remains, 1621 01:26:53,416 --> 01:26:55,335 don't let any of the pieces escape. 1622 01:26:55,919 --> 01:26:58,338 Most of the positive and negative things 1623 01:26:58,421 --> 01:27:01,257 that bring about change in human civilization 1624 01:27:01,341 --> 01:27:02,800 start with someone. 1625 01:27:03,509 --> 01:27:04,677 Some "one." 1626 01:27:05,511 --> 01:27:08,097 And no one can do everything, 1627 01:27:08,181 --> 01:27:11,893 but every one can do something. 1628 01:27:12,435 --> 01:27:13,770 And sometimes, 1629 01:27:14,270 --> 01:27:16,773 big ideas make a big difference. 1630 01:27:16,856 --> 01:27:18,816 That's what we can do. 1631 01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:21,569 That's what you can do right now. 1632 01:27:22,028 --> 01:27:24,489 Look in the mirror, figure it out. 1633 01:27:24,572 --> 01:27:25,572 Go for it. 1634 01:27:42,548 --> 01:27:45,134 ♪ You see the truth ♪ 1635 01:27:46,052 --> 01:27:47,845 ♪ Always finds a way ♪ 1636 01:27:49,013 --> 01:27:53,476 ♪ To rise above the waves And I'm scared ♪ 1637 01:27:53,559 --> 01:27:55,895 ♪ To see what I've become ♪ 1638 01:27:56,521 --> 01:27:57,981 ♪ All I was ♪ 1639 01:27:58,481 --> 01:28:01,359 ♪ Like a whale ♪ 1640 01:28:02,151 --> 01:28:05,488 ♪ Gasping for air ♪ 1641 01:28:06,197 --> 01:28:10,118 ♪ I'm diving deep ♪ 1642 01:28:10,201 --> 01:28:12,078 ♪ I'm diving deep ♪ 1643 01:28:12,161 --> 01:28:15,081 ♪ Motions of emotions Motions of emotions ♪ 1644 01:28:15,164 --> 01:28:19,127 ♪ Motions of emotions Motions of emotions ♪ 1645 01:28:19,210 --> 01:28:23,089 ♪ Motions of emotions Motions of emotions ♪ 1646 01:28:23,172 --> 01:28:27,135 ♪ Motions of emotions Motions of emotions ♪ 1647 01:28:27,218 --> 01:28:29,846 ♪ Take me over the oceans ♪ 1648 01:28:29,929 --> 01:28:32,140 ♪ That I believe ♪ 1649 01:28:34,684 --> 01:28:40,982 ♪ It's the only thing That's been honest to me ♪ 1650 01:28:43,109 --> 01:28:45,820 ♪ Take me over the oceans ♪ 1651 01:28:45,903 --> 01:28:49,532 ♪ That I believe ♪ 1652 01:28:50,700 --> 01:28:54,620 ♪ It's the only thing That's been honest ♪ 140640

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