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[Narrator] On the
17th of June, 2015,
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Charleston in South
Carolina saw one
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of the worst racially
motivated killings
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in recent American history.
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Nine black worshipers
were shot dead
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during a prayer meeting
at this downtown church.
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The killer was identified as
21 year old white supremacist
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Dylann Roof.
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He confessed to
committing the massacre
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in the hope of
igniting a race war.
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All of America was shocked
but in the southern state,
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where race has been an
issue for centuries,
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the shooting also triggered
a passionate argument
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about the past.
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Much of it focused on the
Confederate battle flag.
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For many, the very
symbol of racism and hate
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but what is it about the
past that stokes the flames
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of racism here?
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That's the question
that interests me
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because it seems
that the bedrock
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of the southern
states of America,
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the old, confederate,
deep south is,
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deep down, more than
a little Scottish.
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He lifted the blazing emblem.
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The fiery cross of
old Scotland's hill.
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It would become the most
identifiable symbols
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of race hatred, of
the Ku Klux Klan.
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I think that white southerners
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do think of themselves as Celts.
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It is absolutely a
core idea for a lot
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of these white
supremacist groups
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including the original
Klan which of course
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was thinking of
Scottish clans with a C
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when they called themselves
the Ku Klux Klan with a K.
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I've spent a lot
of time celebrating
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the legacy of
Scots who left home
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and helped lay the foundations
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of the United States of America.
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When they arrived here,
they had the chance
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to create something
new, something perfect.
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A new world.
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A (mumbling) of the signatories
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of the Declaration of
Independence were Scots.
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The pursuit of happiness,
the most famous part
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of the declaration is
arguably a Scottish idea
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but the new world is not perfect
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and I want to find out why.
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If the Scots had
a significant hand
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in conjuring the American dream,
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to what extent were
they also responsible
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for the nightmare?
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That ugliest of stains.
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The bloody, violent
history of race hatred
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that blights
America to this day.
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I'm traveling over 2,000 miles
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of the southern
states of America.
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It's somewhere I've
never been before
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and I'm going to explore how
early Scottish immigration
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evolved and see whether it's had
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an enduring impact on
race relations here.
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This seems like a
natural place to start
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as I'm told it's living evidence
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of the Scots that
originally settled here.
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(bagpipe music)
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I'm in Greenville
in South Carolina
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on the eve of an
annual gathering
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for the highland games.
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I can hear the pipes.
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Must be Scottish people here.
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Come on people,
let's hear you!
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We're Scottish American.
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Okay, you do the
Scottish parts?
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We do tonight,
yes, absolutely.
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You claim Scottish descent?
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Yes.
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If you were to score
yourself out of 10
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as a Scot, what numbers
would you give yourself?
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Today, a 10.
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I have a four year old.
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If I could get him out
here, he's still scared
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of bagpipes, but as soon
as I can get him over that
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it'll be fantastic.
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He's scared of bagpipes.
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That's a worrying,
oh, there we go.
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The next day at the games proper
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I asked yet more
(mumbling) Scots
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what they thought of the effect
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of Scottish migration
to the states.
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They influenced everything.
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The first governor
of South Carolina
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was a boy from Oxfordshire
and he very quickly
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wanted state laws that reflected
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the way things were
back in Scotland.
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(cheering)
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Some historians will tell you
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to look at the Confederate
flag from the civil war,
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very similar to St.
Andrews in terms of design
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and they see a connection there
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because it was a lot
of Scottish heritage
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in those early days.
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Coming from a place
where you weren't allowed
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to have your own
land and you felt
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you were kept down
by the landlords.
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The first thing you do when
you get here is buy slaves.
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There's a kind of disjuncture
there isn't there?
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(downbeat music)
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Greenville's not unique.
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All over the south
I'm finding people
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who keep to describe themselves
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or their ancestors as Scottish.
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How and why did the
Scots arrive here
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and what does that tell
us about the nature
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of the south today?
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I found one man who
has written extensively
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on trans-Atlantic immigration.
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Barry Vann has
studied the subject
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in the United States and the UK.
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He brought me to
one of the peaks
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of the Blue Ridge
Mountains in Virginia
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to look down on the
great Appalachian Valley
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that most of the early
Scottish settlers
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would have passed through
during the 18th century.
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- They were going to
the frontier, looking
for cheap land.
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Ran into those mountains.
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They couldn't go north
because that land
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was already occupied
and they couldn't
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go over the mountains
because it was too difficult
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to get over them and
they were probably
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hostile natives over
there so they came
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down the valleys this way.
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It's such a massive
undertaking for these people.
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What's driving it?
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One was economic
because they were coming
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from a place where the
lands that they had farmed
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for generations were no
longer available to them
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'cause they weren't
able to afford
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the money rent that was
required to stay on those lands
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but here they
could acquire lands
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and become their own lords.
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In lot of respects,
they were trying
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to recreate the
imagined Scotland
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that they had back there
but they wanted it here
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because they had more resources.
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Look at those beautiful
trees, water was plentiful.
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Nice longer growing seasons.
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This was a bountiful place.
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This was the Scotland
that they had imagined.
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Scotland 2.0.
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That's right.
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It's the upgrade.
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The upgrade, absolutely.
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[Host] But it wasn't just
the prospect of a better future
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that drew Scots to what they
called the back country.
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They were tempted here
because of the reputation
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as fighting folk.
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Recruited to help
defend the coastal areas
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already settled by the English
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from native Americans
and the French.
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They wanted them to
go to the back country,
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to this part of the state
or colony at that time
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and to be a buffer zone
against potential invasion.
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(gentle music)
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This is probably the oldest
part of the cemetery right here
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and these are some of
the founding families,
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second generation.
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Down in the valley
lies the resting place
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of many of those early
frontiers people.
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Yeah, look at that,
Scott, Kirkpatrick, Bell.
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They came from Scotland
and from Alston
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and they quickly
exceeded the number
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of English settlers
in the south.
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Next to the
graveyard, we can see
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what united these newcomers.
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This church is built on the site
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of one of the earliest
Presbyterian places
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of worship in the area.
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Were they a happy
lot, do you think,
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or were they coming in with lots
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of emotional and
religious baggage
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on account of the old
country they had left behind?
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When they got here,
they were interested
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in acquiring land
and they also knew
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that they were gonna be
facing potential hostiles
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and so they were not
necessarily coming here
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with an open hand saying
we wanna be friends.
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They came here for the most part
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interested in
farming if they could
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and they wanted to live in
strategically important places.
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That's why we call
them today hillbillies
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and hilltoppers
because they wanted
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to live up in the hills
where they could see
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the enemy coming.
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For those Presbyterians,
who were the enemy?
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Who was it they
thought was gonna come
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and attack them on their hills?
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Anybody who wasn't them.
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It could be the
English because they
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had a history of conflict
with the English.
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They had a history of
conflict with the Catholics.
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They had a history of conflict
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with almost anybody who was
not dissenting if you will.
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Some of those
settlers, confident
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about who they were
and just as importantly
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who they weren't strode out
into the untamed back country
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moving further south and
west with each generation.
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But at the end of
the 18th century,
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the settlers simply way of life
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was transformed by something
that changed the course
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of this part of America forever.
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It was the arrival of cotton.
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To the frontier farmers,
the economics were simple.
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Cotton was a cash crop that
brought relatively easy money.
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It also offered an
easy life as long
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as those picking the
cotton were slaves.
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As the cotton industry
grew, so did slavery.
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By 1810, the number
of slaves in the US
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rose to 1.2 million,
almost double
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what it was 20 years earlier.
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Now, the descendants
of many oppressed
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and downtrodden refugee
Scots took the path
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of racism to become
oppressors themselves
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and their simple
farmhouses became
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increasingly grand
plantation houses.
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Like this one, built in
1851 just outside Charleston
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by William Wallace McCleod.
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He owned one of the largest
plantations in South Carolina
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but like many, he
never forgot his roots.
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He called the grand
house Inverness.
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The impression
planters wanted to give
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was one of affluence and
the most striking display
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of wealth at that
time was measured
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by the number of slave cabins
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that lined the
drive to the house.
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Here there were 23.
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I asked Heather Williams
to show me around.
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Not only is she an
expert in slavery
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in the south but she's known
this place for some time.
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When I first
came to this place,
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for me it was a really
powerful sense of the past.
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The cabins, it seemed
as though slavery
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has just ended one
day and everybody
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had packed up and left
and that I had been,
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in a sense, transported
back to that time period,
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the late 1860's.
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In order for a
society to survive
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you need the top
people who think
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and then you have the
people who do the work.
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This is what James
Henry Hammond said.
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He was a senator
from South Carolina,
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governor and so on.
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You need a mud seal,
he said, in the society
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and we have found
them in these Africans
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who are so well-suited
to do the work
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that we don't want to do.
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(downbeat music)
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They were legally owned.
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They could be sold,
they could be traded,
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they could be given away,
they could be mortgaged.
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People could transfer them.
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There was this perpetual sense
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that they would be punished
if they didn't adhere
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to the rules of the place.
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So would this be
about as good as it gets
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for enslaved people?
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Yeah, I think, I've
seen cabins made of brick
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which might have kept
people a little bit warmer
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in the winter.
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I would think that
there would be
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at least six, seven
people in here.
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William Wallace
McCleod enslaved up
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to a hundred people
on his plantation
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while he lived the life
of undoubted privilege.
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Being here in a place where
slavery actually happened,
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I have to admit I'm
filled for the first time
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with feelings of disbelief
at the surreal nature
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of the life that those elite
whites chose for themselves.
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How you get to the point
where you can enjoy a life
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that is composed of people
who are your captives
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who are around you
in great numbers
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every minute of the day, doing
things against their will
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for no pay, they cook your food,
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they work in the fields,
they fix up the house.
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If it's a cold night,
you would order one
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of them to lie across
your feet on your bed
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so that you are warm.
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At what point does
living like that
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feel in any sense normal?
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And it was another Scot
who provided the bomb
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that made all this
seem legitimate.
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By the mid 1800's,
almost every house
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like this would
have contained some
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of the many romantic
novels of Sir Walter Scott.
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Scott's stories
of gallant knights
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and brave highlanders
set in a golden,
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mythical past were
wildly popular
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but according to the
American writer Mark Twain
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they merely fed this
fantasy lifestyle.
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Twain felt the planters
were modeling their lives
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on Scott's romantic
vision of the old country,
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imagining themselves as
lairds of their own clan.
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He wrote that the
civilization of the south
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in the 19th century
is curiously confused
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and co-mingled with
the Walter Scott
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middle age sham civilization.
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The inflated speech and
the Georgian romanticism
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of an upset past that is
dead and like a charity,
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ought to be buried.
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I think that for
many people it felt
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as though it was something
they were entitled to
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and I think that
sense of entitlement
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then passed from
generation to generation.
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This sense that you are supposed
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to have more than other people
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and that some people
are supposed to serve
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and you are to be served.
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Twain also thought that
Scott's heroic romanticism
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was partly responsible for the
terrible war that followed.
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The northern states had wanted
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to limit the
expansion of slavery
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just as the worldwide demand
for cotton was booming.
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Southern state planters
like William McCleod
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saw their whole
lifestyle threatened
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and were willing
to fight for it.
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In 1861, the 11 slave states
with cotton based economies
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left the union and a
horrific four year war began.
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(guns firing)
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Now, 150 years
later, people flock
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to see the Civil
War as entertainment
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and living history
groups meet regularly
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to replay the battles
again and again.
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This one is at Fort
Hollingsworth in Georgia
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where reenactors from all
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over the southern
states take part.
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What is it important to remember
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by taking part in and watching
a reenactment like this?
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It's important to make sure
that the people understand
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that what the
history is all about.
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It's important that
they remember that this
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is something that their
ancestors fought for
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and something that's
actually a part of them.
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This is something that they
were born ingrained with
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and they should remember that.
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What does define
the ancestors?
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They didn't leave any
of their culture behind.
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They just brought it here
and used that culture
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and created something
completely new.
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Even from the way we talk.
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Even down to the patterns
in their clothes.
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When the Scots came here they
brought with them the tartans.
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Our way of life
is probably closer
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to those in Scotland
that are now
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in this part of the country.
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We held on to a lot of
their ways, I think we did.
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I think we did.
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[Host] What was lost
when the war was lost?
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The way we lived, actually.
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They had plantations, a lot
of folks had plantations
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and a lot of wealth and a lot
of that was lost in the south.
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They had to go back
and start life over.
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America's Civil War was
immensely destructive.
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Well over half a
million soldiers died
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and much of the south's
infrastructure was ruined.
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For many whites,
the greatest fear
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of all had just come true.
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The enslaved were now free.
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Not only that, but black
men could also vote
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just as the vengeful north
took away the right to vote
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for those that supported
the Confederacy.
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Like the Jacobites in Scotland
a hundred years earlier,
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the southern whites
had lost everything
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but now they too had a
lost cause to believe in.
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That lost cause found
its footing here
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in the neat streets of
Pulaski in Tennessee.
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This is where things first
started to turn ugly.
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I've come to meet local
historian Bob Wamble
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to find out what
happened in the town
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after the end of the Civil War.
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Bob, when the war was over
and the soldiers came back
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what did they find
here in Pulaski?
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Right here in
town where we are,
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they found a courthouse and
that was pretty much it.
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This entire side of the square
was burned to the ground.
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It was done by Union soldiers
that were stationed here.
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There were all these
Confederate soldiers
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that came home and had nothing.
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If they had owned a
business before the war
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it was gone, it was
burnt to the ground.
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They had no government,
they had no law really.
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Anybody that had supported
the Confederacy couldn't vote.
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Any law that was here, they
didn't have a part of it.
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- [Host] So they were
effectively aliens
in their own town.
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[Bob] Yes, this was their home
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but it wasn't their government.
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The destruction
here was typical
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of many towns in the
south but this town
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has a claim to fame that
it would rather forget.
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One group of former
Confederate officers
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bold and fearful of the future
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now that black man had the vote,
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set up a secret
fraternal society.
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They drew on ancient Greek
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and their Scottish
heritage for the name.
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They called it the Ku Klux Klan.
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This is the spot where
the Klan was formed.
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The Ku Klux Klan
was six young men,
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met right here in this office
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and decided that they wanted
to form an organization.
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This is a plaque showing
this to people of Pulaski
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and they were proud
of the Ku Klux Klan.
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The plaque is turned backwards.
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About probably 20,
25 years ago...
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[Host] Oh, it's got
its face to the wall now.
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It's face is to the wall.
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The man that owned this building
turned it around like that.
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So what's on the other
side of the plaque?
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Well it lists the
names of the young men
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that formed the Ku Klux Klan.
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I have a copy of it right here.
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[Host] These are
the key players.
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Alvin Jones, John B. Kennedy.
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Frank O. McCord,
John C. Lester,
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Richard R. Reed
and James R. Crowe.
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They were all
Confederate soldiers
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that had just come
home just really
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didn't have anything
better to do
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than to form an organization
just for amusement.
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They played their
musical instruments
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and sang songs and went out
and serenaded the girls.
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They were out hunting all
the pretty girls of Pulaski.
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[Host] Is that really all
it was in its first form?
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Its very first stages,
that's all it was.
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This photograph,
discovered by Bob,
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is thought to show Frank McCord
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and the rest of
the original Klan.
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It was John B. Kennedy
who apparently suggested
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that they should call
themselves a clan
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as they were all of
Scotch Irish descent.
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Some of them were
educated obviously
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because the drawing on
Greek, kuklos is a circle
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and a clan is a family group
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that shares some kind of
blood or a name, a surname.
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I think there's
an intention there
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to declare yourself as a group
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that will stand shoulder to
shoulder against outsiders.
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Pulaski has another revelation.
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Tucked behind this store front
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is a small scale opera house.
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A good place, it
seems, to understand
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how the Klan moved from
make believe to reality
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according to author and
academic Elaine Frantz Parsons.
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Amazing, look at that.
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[Elaine] For a town this
size, it is impressive.
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[Host] Created in 1867,
almost exactly the same time
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as the Klan, this theater
gives us a fascinating insight
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into what might have
influenced them.
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They're trying to
figure out who they are
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and they're really interested
particularly in culture.
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They don't have power anymore.
461
00:24:05,078 --> 00:24:07,212
They don't have
politics but maybe
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they can keep culture or
they can create a culture
463
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that means something.
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Particularly pretending they
were in a different time
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and place pretending
they were in the world
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of Sir Walter Scott I
think was very attractive.
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Just a couple of
years after the war,
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they embark on this and it's all
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about theatrical
and make believe.
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Was that in forming
the Klan as well?
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Was it about the
costumes and pretend?
472
00:24:31,604 --> 00:24:32,904
Yeah, I think that's
a really good way
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to think about it actually,
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that the world, the real
world, wasn't something
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that they necessarily wanted
to spend a lot of time in.
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I think that part
of what happened
477
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is that they realized
that this play
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that they were doing
could be brought to bare
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on this competition,
this problem
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that they were having with
black claims to rights.
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If you were in the 19th century
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and you're going to the theater,
483
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a lot of the time you were
going to a minstrel show
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00:25:00,933 --> 00:25:02,367
and the minstrel show wasn't all
485
00:25:02,368 --> 00:25:04,136
about making fun of black people
486
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but that was an important
part of the minstrel show
487
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and so part of what
the Klan wanted to do
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was to force black
people into situations
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where they looked
ludicrous or ridiculous
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and what better way to do that
491
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than pretend like
you're a monster
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and attack them and
then tell everybody
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00:25:22,222 --> 00:25:24,489
how scared they were
by this monster.
494
00:25:24,490 --> 00:25:28,493
What flicks the switch
from it being make believe,
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harmless, costumes, music,
what flicks the switch
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and turns it into
something sinister?
497
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We know that Frank
McCord was trying
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to get up a mob during the time
499
00:25:41,307 --> 00:25:43,742
that the Klan seemed to
have nothing to do with it,
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he is also interested
in racial violence.
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The Klan soon moved
on from theatricalities
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00:25:51,651 --> 00:25:53,985
and threats, it
became more violent
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00:25:53,986 --> 00:25:56,355
and better organized.
504
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At the nearby state
museum in Nashville,
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they have one of the
few remaining documents
506
00:26:00,326 --> 00:26:01,893
from that time.
507
00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:05,830
What is in effect the
Klan's constitution.
508
00:26:05,831 --> 00:26:09,201
It's a tiny little
sliver of a thing.
509
00:26:09,202 --> 00:26:12,604
So this is one of the
few remaining copies
510
00:26:12,605 --> 00:26:16,609
of what was the constitution
of the Ku Klux Klan
511
00:26:18,010 --> 00:26:21,112
and you'll see at the front
this is the constitution
512
00:26:21,113 --> 00:26:23,315
which they called the prescript.
513
00:26:23,316 --> 00:26:25,250
The prescript of
the star, star, star
514
00:26:25,251 --> 00:26:28,853
which is what they used
to stand for Ku Klux Klan.
515
00:26:28,854 --> 00:26:31,356
Then you have some
Shakespearean verse
516
00:26:31,357 --> 00:26:34,759
and then down here we have Burns
517
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,331
so you can see the
Scottish influence here.
518
00:26:39,699 --> 00:26:43,402
And then the Burns is
about a certain ghoul,
519
00:26:43,403 --> 00:26:46,305
a certain ghost is
around and drinking.
520
00:26:46,306 --> 00:26:49,140
We'll send him linking
to your black pit
521
00:26:49,141 --> 00:26:51,310
but faith he'll turn
a corner jinking
522
00:26:51,311 --> 00:26:52,877
and cheat you yet.
523
00:26:52,878 --> 00:26:55,380
So both are about
things macabre.
524
00:26:55,381 --> 00:26:57,849
Yes, but they're
also high culture.
525
00:26:57,850 --> 00:27:01,119
They're saying we aren't
just a bunch of hayseeds.
526
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:02,621
It makes you wonder
what Robert Burns himself
527
00:27:02,622 --> 00:27:03,888
would have thought had he known
528
00:27:03,889 --> 00:27:05,224
that some of his verse
was gonna be included
529
00:27:05,225 --> 00:27:07,025
in such a document.
530
00:27:07,026 --> 00:27:09,261
You know the man that rights
a man's a man for all that
531
00:27:09,262 --> 00:27:11,630
to then find one of his verses
532
00:27:11,631 --> 00:27:14,967
publicizing the
aspirations of a society
533
00:27:17,002 --> 00:27:18,838
like the Ku Klux Klan.
534
00:27:20,906 --> 00:27:23,742
The Klan now had
rules and roles.
535
00:27:23,743 --> 00:27:26,110
It had become a
serious organization,
536
00:27:26,111 --> 00:27:29,013
an invisible army
dedicated to reestablishing
537
00:27:29,014 --> 00:27:31,784
the status of the
southern whites
538
00:27:35,054 --> 00:27:37,456
and this is what the
Klan looked like.
539
00:27:37,457 --> 00:27:39,258
This is an exact replica of one
540
00:27:39,259 --> 00:27:43,362
of the original outfits
they wore in Pulaski.
541
00:27:43,363 --> 00:27:46,298
You can see how
frightening that would be
542
00:27:46,299 --> 00:27:48,300
if somebody appeared
out of the dark
543
00:27:48,301 --> 00:27:49,768
dressed like that.
544
00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:51,936
Absolutely terrifying.
545
00:27:51,937 --> 00:27:54,205
It's important to note
these were not uniforms.
546
00:27:54,206 --> 00:27:55,840
These were costumes.
547
00:27:55,841 --> 00:27:57,442
These are expressing
a cultural thing.
548
00:27:57,443 --> 00:27:59,411
They're not expressing
that they're,
549
00:27:59,412 --> 00:28:02,481
it's not an army-like uniform.
550
00:28:02,482 --> 00:28:04,583
This is a very chaotic mask.
551
00:28:04,584 --> 00:28:08,152
Maybe this colorful
thread up here,
552
00:28:08,153 --> 00:28:11,723
this red thread used to
put this black eyebrow on,
553
00:28:11,724 --> 00:28:13,758
that seems like it's
deliberate, right,
554
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:16,928
you're meant to see how
sloppily made this was.
555
00:28:16,929 --> 00:28:18,196
Imagine if you
opened your front door
556
00:28:18,197 --> 00:28:19,531
and that character
was standing there
557
00:28:19,532 --> 00:28:22,000
brandishing a
weapon or whatever.
558
00:28:22,001 --> 00:28:24,770
Yeah, no, it's
very terrifying.
559
00:28:38,083 --> 00:28:41,353
In Pulaski, the Klan
became increasingly popular
560
00:28:41,354 --> 00:28:43,054
with the white population.
561
00:28:43,055 --> 00:28:46,257
News spread, especially
as Frank McCord's brother
562
00:28:46,258 --> 00:28:49,995
ran the local newspaper,
The Pulaski Citizen.
563
00:28:51,096 --> 00:28:52,864
The stories printed
in the Citizen
564
00:28:52,865 --> 00:28:54,833
helped publicize the Klan
565
00:28:54,834 --> 00:28:56,968
and reassured the
white population
566
00:28:56,969 --> 00:28:58,703
that something was being done
567
00:28:58,704 --> 00:29:02,774
to keep the former
slaves in their place.
568
00:29:02,775 --> 00:29:05,209
Many potential black
voters received crude
569
00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:07,879
and menacing messages
like this letter
570
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,051
from a Ku Klux ghost ordering
them which way to vote.
571
00:29:14,286 --> 00:29:16,688
Other copycat Klans
were soon formed
572
00:29:16,689 --> 00:29:19,023
by more bored and
better southerners
573
00:29:19,024 --> 00:29:21,926
in nearby states only now,
574
00:29:21,927 --> 00:29:26,498
the theatricalities had
turned very ugly indeed.
575
00:29:26,499 --> 00:29:28,933
Groups of white
men would come out
576
00:29:28,934 --> 00:29:31,771
in the evening to
a home, a cabin,
577
00:29:33,072 --> 00:29:35,039
and find the man
of the house there,
578
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,609
take him from his home, and then
579
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:39,878
they would either
whip them to try
580
00:29:39,879 --> 00:29:42,414
to tell them to
change their behavior,
581
00:29:42,415 --> 00:29:45,183
to punish them for something
that they had apparently done,
582
00:29:45,184 --> 00:29:47,352
or they would kill that person.
583
00:29:47,353 --> 00:29:49,053
Kill them either
by shooting them
584
00:29:49,054 --> 00:29:50,656
or by hanging them.
585
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:55,259
What happened when
the Klan spread
586
00:29:55,260 --> 00:29:58,430
was that existing
white on black violence
587
00:29:58,431 --> 00:30:02,333
which was pervasive
throughout the south already,
588
00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:05,704
that that comes to be
called Klan violence
589
00:30:05,705 --> 00:30:09,007
and when it comes to
be called Klan violence
590
00:30:09,008 --> 00:30:10,175
it gets worse.
591
00:30:11,276 --> 00:30:13,177
People have an
additional impetus,
592
00:30:13,178 --> 00:30:15,580
they feel like they're part
of a collective project.
593
00:30:15,581 --> 00:30:17,882
They're doing something
for the south.
594
00:30:17,883 --> 00:30:21,386
They're not just some guy
attacking their black neighbor
595
00:30:21,387 --> 00:30:24,489
who's competing with
them for property rights.
596
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:27,326
They are now a
Klans or a Ku Klux.
597
00:30:33,533 --> 00:30:35,867
By the late 1860's,
a reign of terror
598
00:30:35,868 --> 00:30:40,039
existed throughout much
of the former Confederacy.
599
00:30:50,215 --> 00:30:51,916
By the time the
federal government
600
00:30:51,917 --> 00:30:54,686
had brought in legislation
against the Klan,
601
00:30:54,687 --> 00:30:57,722
much of the groups work
had already been done.
602
00:30:57,723 --> 00:31:01,660
Violence had successfully kept
most blacks from the polls
603
00:31:01,661 --> 00:31:04,328
and the few that had
taken up any civic office
604
00:31:04,329 --> 00:31:07,767
had already been
brutally beaten or hung.
605
00:31:14,339 --> 00:31:17,442
With the black population
now successfully terrorized,
606
00:31:17,443 --> 00:31:19,444
white state government
brought in laws
607
00:31:19,445 --> 00:31:21,614
that segregated the races.
608
00:31:24,550 --> 00:31:27,486
They were mockingly
known as Jim Crow laws
609
00:31:27,487 --> 00:31:31,056
after a black character
in a minstrel show.
610
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:37,195
Now, living separate
lives, the white population
611
00:31:37,196 --> 00:31:39,363
of the southern states relaxed,
612
00:31:39,364 --> 00:31:42,635
less fearful of those
who were not them
613
00:31:43,803 --> 00:31:46,939
except the fear never
really went away.
614
00:31:55,581 --> 00:31:59,117
This is Atlanta, now the
bustling modern business hub
615
00:31:59,118 --> 00:32:00,553
of the deep south.
616
00:32:01,721 --> 00:32:04,222
In the early 1900's,
it was also the place
617
00:32:04,223 --> 00:32:07,191
where the Klan was reborn.
618
00:32:07,192 --> 00:32:09,561
We might never have
heard from the Klan again
619
00:32:09,562 --> 00:32:12,964
but for the efforts of
one man, Thomas Dixon.
620
00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:14,398
He wrote this book.
621
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:17,502
It published in 1905 and in it,
622
00:32:17,503 --> 00:32:20,104
he transformed the
members of the Klan
623
00:32:20,105 --> 00:32:22,274
from villains into heroes.
624
00:32:23,843 --> 00:32:26,110
Dixon was born in
North Carolina.
625
00:32:26,111 --> 00:32:30,481
The son of a Scotch minister
and plantation owner.
626
00:32:30,482 --> 00:32:33,284
He went on to become a
southern Baptist minister,
627
00:32:33,285 --> 00:32:34,887
lawyer, and author.
628
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:41,761
His novel was called
The Clansman and it
was a big seller.
629
00:32:43,195 --> 00:32:47,266
It was subtitled An Historical
Romance of the Ku Klux Klan
630
00:32:48,734 --> 00:32:52,838
and it imagined a future where
the racial divide is reverse
631
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:57,309
and it is the white
man that is in chains.
632
00:32:59,144 --> 00:33:00,845
Now I'm sure if you
were to take the time
633
00:33:00,846 --> 00:33:02,981
to weave through this
tome, you would agree
634
00:33:02,982 --> 00:33:05,483
that it's pretty dreadful.
635
00:33:05,484 --> 00:33:07,886
I offer you part of one chapter
636
00:33:07,887 --> 00:33:12,056
in which Dixon imagines
a future for America
637
00:33:12,057 --> 00:33:15,193
in which the black
man is in charge.
638
00:33:15,194 --> 00:33:17,328
As he passed inside
the doors of the house
639
00:33:17,329 --> 00:33:20,599
of representatives, the rush
of foul air staggered him.
640
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,366
The hall was packed with negroes
641
00:33:22,367 --> 00:33:26,204
smoking, chewing, jabbering,
pushing, perspiring.
642
00:33:26,205 --> 00:33:28,673
The doctor surveyed
the hall in dismay.
643
00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:31,342
At first, not a white
member was visible.
644
00:33:31,343 --> 00:33:33,311
The galleries were
packed with negroes.
645
00:33:33,312 --> 00:33:35,379
The speaker presiding
was a negro.
646
00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:36,981
The clerk, a negro.
647
00:33:36,982 --> 00:33:38,717
The doorkeepers, negroes.
648
00:33:38,718 --> 00:33:41,986
The little pages all
coal black negroes.
649
00:33:41,987 --> 00:33:43,822
The remains of
aryan civilization
650
00:33:43,823 --> 00:33:46,557
were represented by 23 white men
651
00:33:46,558 --> 00:33:49,561
from the Scotch
Irish hill counties.
652
00:33:53,899 --> 00:33:55,299
When the book was published,
653
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:57,401
it caused a literary explosion
654
00:33:57,402 --> 00:33:59,938
and when it transferred
to the stage as a play
655
00:33:59,939 --> 00:34:03,074
it provoked riots,
not just in this city
656
00:34:03,075 --> 00:34:04,977
but all across America.
657
00:34:08,781 --> 00:34:11,015
When the play premiered
at the Grand Opera House
658
00:34:11,016 --> 00:34:13,918
here in Atlanta in
October of 1905,
659
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:17,355
the segregated
audience went wild.
660
00:34:17,356 --> 00:34:19,891
Tom Rice has studied
what happened.
661
00:34:19,892 --> 00:34:22,126
The reports stressed
that the house lights
662
00:34:22,127 --> 00:34:24,896
were kept on, that the
sell of soda bottles
663
00:34:24,897 --> 00:34:26,397
was prohibited because
they were worried
664
00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:29,734
they were gonna get
hurled around the theater.
665
00:34:29,735 --> 00:34:33,137
Absolutely had tapped
into this culture
666
00:34:33,138 --> 00:34:36,641
of fear, these anxieties
about racial integration
667
00:34:36,642 --> 00:34:39,778
and race relations that
were really prevalent
668
00:34:39,779 --> 00:34:43,748
in Atlanta and across
the south at this moment.
669
00:34:43,749 --> 00:34:45,650
[Host] Dixon took
his Scottish heritage
670
00:34:45,651 --> 00:34:47,618
and paraded it in his work.
671
00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:49,688
Inside the front
cover of his novel,
672
00:34:49,689 --> 00:34:51,723
the dedication
reads to the memory
673
00:34:51,724 --> 00:34:54,158
of a Scotch Irish
leader of the south,
674
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,895
my uncle, Colonel Leroy McAfee,
675
00:34:56,896 --> 00:35:00,932
grand titan of the invisible
empire, Ku Klux Klan
676
00:35:00,933 --> 00:35:04,903
and it's not the only
reference to a Scottish past.
677
00:35:04,904 --> 00:35:06,604
Clearly the title The Clansman
678
00:35:06,605 --> 00:35:09,240
does make a connection with
the Scottish roots here.
679
00:35:09,241 --> 00:35:10,809
We can see it even in the title
680
00:35:10,810 --> 00:35:13,211
of the main family
here, the Cameron's.
681
00:35:13,212 --> 00:35:14,713
It was settled by
the Scotch folk
682
00:35:14,714 --> 00:35:16,214
who came from the
north of Ireland,
683
00:35:16,215 --> 00:35:19,283
the great migrations which
gave America 300,000 people
684
00:35:19,284 --> 00:35:21,019
of covenants and martyr blood,
685
00:35:21,020 --> 00:35:22,620
the largest and most
important addition
686
00:35:22,621 --> 00:35:23,855
to our population.
687
00:35:23,856 --> 00:35:26,157
He's really thinking
about the makeup
688
00:35:26,158 --> 00:35:29,093
of the American south
and of this area
689
00:35:29,094 --> 00:35:31,295
but internal so of the Klan,
690
00:35:31,296 --> 00:35:33,965
of what would create
the Ku Klux Klan here.
691
00:35:33,966 --> 00:35:36,200
High above his head in
the darkness of the cave,
692
00:35:36,201 --> 00:35:38,102
he lifted the blazing emblem.
693
00:35:38,103 --> 00:35:40,438
The fiery cross of
old Scotland's hill.
694
00:35:40,439 --> 00:35:42,774
I quench its flames
in the sweetest blood
695
00:35:42,775 --> 00:35:45,476
that ever stained
the sands of time.
696
00:35:45,477 --> 00:35:46,778
And here we've got
the fiery cross.
697
00:35:46,779 --> 00:35:49,447
This is not a feature
of the original Klan.
698
00:35:49,448 --> 00:35:51,549
It's created here by Dixon.
699
00:35:51,550 --> 00:35:54,986
It would become one of the
most identifiable symbols
700
00:35:54,987 --> 00:35:57,923
of race hatred, of
the Ku Klux Klan
701
00:35:59,158 --> 00:36:01,793
and it's still today
widely identified
702
00:36:01,794 --> 00:36:04,495
with the Klan and
here he's saying,
703
00:36:04,496 --> 00:36:06,630
this is the fiery cross
of old Scotland's hills.
704
00:36:06,631 --> 00:36:10,803
It's creating a history and
a heritage for this here.
705
00:36:13,739 --> 00:36:15,439
The full impact
of Dixon's novel
706
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,042
was felt much more
widely when 10 years
707
00:36:18,043 --> 00:36:21,312
after its publication it
was released as a film
708
00:36:21,313 --> 00:36:24,482
touted then and still lauded now
709
00:36:24,483 --> 00:36:26,418
as an epic of its time.
710
00:36:29,755 --> 00:36:31,589
The Birth of a Nation directed
711
00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:34,092
by Hollywood superstar
D.W. Griffith
712
00:36:34,093 --> 00:36:37,095
let Dixon's work reach
a much bigger audience
713
00:36:37,096 --> 00:36:39,164
and it was a massive hit.
714
00:36:41,633 --> 00:36:43,634
The budget was huge
and the direction
715
00:36:43,635 --> 00:36:45,736
was groundbreaking but the story
716
00:36:45,737 --> 00:36:48,240
was as racist as Dixon's book.
717
00:36:58,884 --> 00:37:01,185
Charlene Regester
is a film academic
718
00:37:01,186 --> 00:37:03,554
and remembers her
first reaction.
719
00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:06,590
I saw Birth of a Nation
when I was a graduate student.
720
00:37:06,591 --> 00:37:08,326
Of course some of the
scenes that we saw
721
00:37:08,327 --> 00:37:10,761
were very inflammatory.
722
00:37:10,762 --> 00:37:13,598
They showed us
alleged rape scene.
723
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:18,970
The scene where Gus
is chasing the woman
724
00:37:18,971 --> 00:37:22,640
who jumps off the
cliff onto the ground
725
00:37:22,641 --> 00:37:25,377
and so it was very
offensive then
726
00:37:26,578 --> 00:37:29,513
and it's probably still
equally offensive today.
727
00:37:29,514 --> 00:37:32,050
It was a racially incisive story
728
00:37:32,051 --> 00:37:34,018
and it was about
black male predators,
729
00:37:34,019 --> 00:37:37,588
black male racists, it
was about miscegenation
730
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,490
and it was about
the Ku Klux Klan
731
00:37:39,491 --> 00:37:42,226
rescuing the south
and white supremacy
732
00:37:42,227 --> 00:37:45,463
and I think all of
the variables together
733
00:37:45,464 --> 00:37:47,531
is what made it so volatile.
734
00:37:47,532 --> 00:37:51,703
Did the film work as a
PR exercising for the Klan?
735
00:37:53,472 --> 00:37:55,706
It certainly made
them almost appear
736
00:37:55,707 --> 00:37:57,775
as though they're
heroic and also
737
00:37:57,776 --> 00:37:59,610
at the end of the
film they have one
738
00:37:59,611 --> 00:38:03,715
of the white characters who
unveils as a Klan member.
739
00:38:05,284 --> 00:38:07,151
They're making them look
like they're the saviors
740
00:38:07,152 --> 00:38:10,021
of the day, they
saved the south,
741
00:38:10,022 --> 00:38:14,193
and certainly coincided with
the rise of the Ku Klux Klan.
742
00:38:17,496 --> 00:38:19,563
I think it glamorized the Klan
743
00:38:19,564 --> 00:38:23,134
and made it a desirable
organization to belong to
744
00:38:23,135 --> 00:38:26,570
as a way of restoring
order and I guess
745
00:38:26,571 --> 00:38:30,075
of instituting white
supremacy nationwide.
746
00:38:33,812 --> 00:38:36,981
[Host] Just outside Atlanta,
soaring out of the landscape
747
00:38:36,982 --> 00:38:40,784
is a curious monolith
called Stone Mountain.
748
00:38:40,785 --> 00:38:43,087
Carved on its side
is a vast memorial
749
00:38:43,088 --> 00:38:46,758
to the Confederate
leaders of the Civil War.
750
00:38:49,161 --> 00:38:50,694
[Tour Host] Alright everybody.
751
00:38:50,695 --> 00:38:53,531
Now the mountaintop would be
about 350 million years old.
752
00:38:53,532 --> 00:38:54,865
Only a very small portion
753
00:38:54,866 --> 00:38:57,635
of the mountain's
actually visible.
754
00:38:57,636 --> 00:39:00,238
But long before the
carving was completed,
755
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,140
people came here to pay homage
756
00:39:02,141 --> 00:39:03,874
to something that
happened directly
757
00:39:03,875 --> 00:39:06,478
as a result of Griffith's film.
758
00:39:08,513 --> 00:39:11,415
It turns out that that
film was a revelation
759
00:39:11,416 --> 00:39:14,518
for at least one cinema goer.
760
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:16,420
It was a Methodist
preacher and his name
761
00:39:16,421 --> 00:39:18,289
was William Joseph
Simmons and he took all
762
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:19,757
he'd seen and heard
and he brought it here
763
00:39:19,758 --> 00:39:21,926
to this mountaintop.
764
00:39:21,927 --> 00:39:23,427
He was accompanied that day,
765
00:39:23,428 --> 00:39:26,030
the eve of Thanksgiving in 1915
766
00:39:26,031 --> 00:39:28,499
with 15 like minded
souls and they had come
767
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:30,402
for a bizarre ceremony.
768
00:39:31,570 --> 00:39:32,836
What they wanted
to do first of all
769
00:39:32,837 --> 00:39:35,373
was to build an altar.
770
00:39:35,374 --> 00:39:37,942
Once it was built, Simmons
placed three things
771
00:39:37,943 --> 00:39:39,443
on that altar.
772
00:39:39,444 --> 00:39:43,548
An American flag, a bible,
and a sword unsheathed.
773
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:49,087
Then, he set fire to a
crudely made wooden cross.
774
00:39:49,088 --> 00:39:51,722
At that moment, he
declared himself to be,
775
00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:56,260
get this, the imperial wizard
of the invisible empire
776
00:39:56,261 --> 00:39:59,463
of the Knights of
the Ku Klux Klan.
777
00:39:59,464 --> 00:40:03,635
The KKK was back but this time
the Klan would be different.
778
00:40:05,037 --> 00:40:08,572
It would be political, it
would be obsessed with power,
779
00:40:08,573 --> 00:40:12,343
and most significantly
of all, it would be big.
780
00:40:12,344 --> 00:40:13,612
Very, very big.
781
00:40:16,848 --> 00:40:18,582
And with changing immigration,
782
00:40:18,583 --> 00:40:21,352
the Klan now had a whole
new range of targets
783
00:40:21,353 --> 00:40:24,755
they thought threatened the
lives of southern people.
784
00:40:24,756 --> 00:40:28,192
The new Klan's focus wasn't
just on black people.
785
00:40:28,193 --> 00:40:30,828
Jews, Catholics,
and Mexicans also
786
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:33,765
became targets of
the organization.
787
00:40:38,303 --> 00:40:40,838
To get an insight
into this second Klan,
788
00:40:40,839 --> 00:40:44,042
I've come to the small estate
of author William Rawlings
789
00:40:44,043 --> 00:40:48,113
just outside the town of
Sandersville in Georgia.
790
00:40:50,582 --> 00:40:53,617
The Klan's mantra
at this time,
791
00:40:53,618 --> 00:40:55,853
its recruiting mantra
can be summed up
792
00:40:55,854 --> 00:40:58,356
as being 100% Americanism.
793
00:40:58,357 --> 00:41:01,025
Support of the
constitution, just laws,
794
00:41:01,026 --> 00:41:02,793
anti-immigration.
795
00:41:02,794 --> 00:41:05,296
People that joined the Klan
during the early 1920's
796
00:41:05,297 --> 00:41:07,731
joined not because
they had some agenda
797
00:41:07,732 --> 00:41:10,201
but because the message
of the Klan was one
798
00:41:10,202 --> 00:41:12,002
we want to do the good
thing for America.
799
00:41:12,003 --> 00:41:13,671
We want to perhaps keep
this immigrants out,
800
00:41:13,672 --> 00:41:16,074
these Chinese in
California, these Mexicans
801
00:41:16,075 --> 00:41:18,008
on the border states.
802
00:41:18,009 --> 00:41:21,512
[Host] But the new Klan was
as oppressive as the first.
803
00:41:21,513 --> 00:41:24,582
Say you live in a town
and the Klan is in the town
804
00:41:24,583 --> 00:41:26,084
and you don't know
who the members are
805
00:41:26,085 --> 00:41:28,552
but they may be your best
friends and they may not be.
806
00:41:28,553 --> 00:41:30,321
You don't know if the
policeman on the corner's
807
00:41:30,322 --> 00:41:31,589
a member of the Klan or perhaps
808
00:41:31,590 --> 00:41:33,157
your minister's a
member of the Klan
809
00:41:33,158 --> 00:41:35,293
and they liked it that way.
810
00:41:35,294 --> 00:41:37,195
They could go to a merchant
for example and say
811
00:41:37,196 --> 00:41:38,562
you know, we're the
Klan, we can tell people
812
00:41:38,563 --> 00:41:40,631
not to trade with
you and the merchant
813
00:41:40,632 --> 00:41:42,633
would say gee, I better
support the Klan.
814
00:41:42,634 --> 00:41:44,802
You never knew how many people
were members of the Klan
815
00:41:44,803 --> 00:41:47,605
and once they developed
the reputation
816
00:41:47,606 --> 00:41:49,973
for not only
intimidation but action
817
00:41:49,974 --> 00:41:51,542
then frequently
all they had to do
818
00:41:51,543 --> 00:41:54,478
was simply say
we're watching you
819
00:41:54,479 --> 00:41:57,215
and that was all
that was needed.
820
00:41:57,216 --> 00:41:58,516
[Host] Clan violence directly
821
00:41:58,517 --> 00:42:01,519
effected William
Rawling's family.
822
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,954
Although they had owned
a slave plantation
823
00:42:03,955 --> 00:42:07,225
everyone was a potential target.
824
00:42:07,226 --> 00:42:10,228
My family had an unfortunate
experience with the Klan.
825
00:42:10,229 --> 00:42:13,131
Uncle Charlie was a
bit of a philanderer.
826
00:42:13,132 --> 00:42:14,532
I guess that's the
best way to say it.
827
00:42:14,533 --> 00:42:16,900
Not only did he have
his girlfriends,
828
00:42:16,901 --> 00:42:19,237
his interest also
crossed racial lines
829
00:42:19,238 --> 00:42:22,973
and he sired a number
of mixed race children
830
00:42:22,974 --> 00:42:26,710
which was not exactly the
socially acceptable thing
831
00:42:26,711 --> 00:42:28,179
of the day to do.
832
00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:31,048
He was allegedly, according
to family history,
833
00:42:31,049 --> 00:42:33,284
warned by the Klan and
when he ignored them
834
00:42:33,285 --> 00:42:34,752
because he was a very
wealthy and powerful man,
835
00:42:34,753 --> 00:42:36,487
when he ignored them
they simply waylaid him
836
00:42:36,488 --> 00:42:37,588
on a country road.
837
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:38,789
He had his own chauffeur.
838
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:40,958
Guy named Hal
Hooks, a black man.
839
00:42:40,959 --> 00:42:43,661
They put a tree across the road.
840
00:42:43,662 --> 00:42:45,429
When Hal Hooks went
out to move the tree
841
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:48,799
all of a sudden Klansmen
emerged from the forest,
842
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,601
they told Hooks to
stand to one side
843
00:42:50,602 --> 00:42:54,037
and they castrated
Uncle Charlie.
844
00:42:54,038 --> 00:42:55,539
Castrated him?
845
00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:56,874
They castrated him
846
00:42:56,875 --> 00:42:58,609
and he lived the
remainder of his life
847
00:42:58,610 --> 00:43:00,879
without part of his anatomy.
848
00:43:02,614 --> 00:43:06,785
* Well nothing is going
right this morning
849
00:43:14,693 --> 00:43:18,962
* Oh I guess it's the
chains that bind me
850
00:43:18,963 --> 00:43:22,534
* I can't shake them loose
851
00:43:25,237 --> 00:43:27,938
How big did it get,
what was the high point?
852
00:43:27,939 --> 00:43:31,141
For a very brief period
of time, 1924 and 1925,
853
00:43:31,142 --> 00:43:33,611
they were one of the
most powerful social
854
00:43:33,612 --> 00:43:36,480
and political organizations
in the United States.
855
00:43:36,481 --> 00:43:40,184
Around five million members
at its peak in 1925.
856
00:43:40,185 --> 00:43:42,119
You know it's a tremendous
number of people
857
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,888
that joined the Klan.
858
00:43:45,089 --> 00:43:46,290
Perhaps the high
point of the Klan
859
00:43:46,291 --> 00:43:48,893
was the march in August of 1925
860
00:43:50,362 --> 00:43:54,765
where an estimated as many
as 150,000 robed Klansmen
861
00:43:54,766 --> 00:43:57,536
marched down
Pennsylvania Avenue.
862
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:02,640
It's a terribly
frightening image
863
00:44:02,641 --> 00:44:05,276
to see Pennsylvania Avenue
with the capitol dome
864
00:44:05,277 --> 00:44:07,010
in the background
and an endless stream
865
00:44:07,011 --> 00:44:10,714
of white robed Klansmen
marching down the street.
866
00:44:10,715 --> 00:44:13,385
Is this what America has become?
867
00:44:19,324 --> 00:44:22,960
The Klan of the 1920's
failed eventually
868
00:44:22,961 --> 00:44:25,896
because people figured them out.
869
00:44:25,897 --> 00:44:27,598
People began to say
you know, these people
870
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,301
are not really what
I want America to be.
871
00:44:30,302 --> 00:44:32,370
These people are
beating and flogging,
872
00:44:32,371 --> 00:44:35,038
these people are judge,
jury, and executioner
873
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:36,006
rolled into one.
874
00:44:36,007 --> 00:44:37,508
This is not the American way.
875
00:44:37,509 --> 00:44:39,678
We should reject the Klan.
876
00:44:41,346 --> 00:44:44,047
The Klan may
have been rejected
877
00:44:44,048 --> 00:44:47,886
but racial hatred and
discrimination remained.
878
00:44:53,892 --> 00:44:56,760
Here is one of the many
places in the south
879
00:44:56,761 --> 00:45:00,063
where the law itself was
used to discriminate.
880
00:45:00,064 --> 00:45:02,132
This is the former
railway terminal building
881
00:45:02,133 --> 00:45:04,234
in Macon, Georgia.
882
00:45:04,235 --> 00:45:05,769
Fantastically
impressive building.
883
00:45:05,770 --> 00:45:07,037
Big stone frontage.
884
00:45:07,038 --> 00:45:09,440
Now that's the main
entrance down there
885
00:45:09,441 --> 00:45:11,809
with the eagles above
it and the pillars.
886
00:45:11,810 --> 00:45:13,877
Off to one side though
is a separate entrance
887
00:45:13,878 --> 00:45:16,414
and if you look above the
door look what it says.
888
00:45:16,415 --> 00:45:17,948
Colored waiting room.
889
00:45:17,949 --> 00:45:21,385
This is a relic, an artifact
of the Jim Crow laws
890
00:45:21,386 --> 00:45:24,388
which were touted as
keeping the white people
891
00:45:24,389 --> 00:45:28,560
and the black people of
America separate but equal.
892
00:45:34,533 --> 00:45:36,934
The Jim Crow laws
reflected the mindset
893
00:45:36,935 --> 00:45:40,938
of those that wanted the
races to be separate forever.
894
00:45:40,939 --> 00:45:42,806
They not only mandated
the segregation
895
00:45:42,807 --> 00:45:45,809
of colored transport
but public schools,
896
00:45:45,810 --> 00:45:49,046
public places, and the
segregation of restrooms,
897
00:45:49,047 --> 00:45:52,451
restaurants, and even
drinking fountains.
898
00:45:53,818 --> 00:45:57,522
Black and white lived separate
but rarely equal lives.
899
00:46:00,258 --> 00:46:03,260
It took until the 1950's
for the federal court
900
00:46:03,261 --> 00:46:05,663
to declare that segregation
in state schools
901
00:46:05,664 --> 00:46:07,432
was unconstitutional.
902
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:10,734
The black population celebrated
903
00:46:10,735 --> 00:46:14,805
but the southern states
were having none of it.
904
00:46:14,806 --> 00:46:17,508
I'm finishing my journey
in America's deep south
905
00:46:17,509 --> 00:46:20,310
here in Alabama, the
heart of the fight
906
00:46:20,311 --> 00:46:22,046
against civil rights.
907
00:46:24,583 --> 00:46:28,386
Montgomery, the state
capital, became the epicenter
908
00:46:28,387 --> 00:46:32,557
and these steps the backdrop
to much of the rhetoric.
909
00:46:34,993 --> 00:46:39,397
Before the seed of tyranny,
and I say segregation now,
910
00:46:39,398 --> 00:46:43,233
segregation tomorrow,
and segregation forever.
911
00:46:43,234 --> 00:46:46,303
(cheering)
912
00:46:46,304 --> 00:46:48,105
[Host] Governor
George Wallace spoke
913
00:46:48,106 --> 00:46:51,710
with the mindset of
those that elected him.
914
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:58,850
The Klan, too, raised
its costumed head again
915
00:47:00,218 --> 00:47:03,353
and when around 3,000 people
attended another rally
916
00:47:03,354 --> 00:47:05,355
at Stone Mountain, it was clear
917
00:47:05,356 --> 00:47:07,958
that the Klan was back in force
918
00:47:07,959 --> 00:47:10,861
for the third time and
the tactics, again,
919
00:47:10,862 --> 00:47:12,263
would be violent.
920
00:47:14,633 --> 00:47:16,133
The fight for the
soul of the south
921
00:47:16,134 --> 00:47:19,236
came to its ugliest
point in the 1960's
922
00:47:19,237 --> 00:47:21,639
in the battle between
the civil rights movement
923
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,373
and the Klansmen.
924
00:47:23,374 --> 00:47:25,976
The Klans brazen
violence and murders
925
00:47:25,977 --> 00:47:29,179
eventually pushed President
Johnson's federal government
926
00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:33,751
to make a full scale
assault on the Ku Klux Klan.
927
00:47:33,752 --> 00:47:37,354
Their loyalty is not to
the United States of America
928
00:47:37,355 --> 00:47:41,324
but instead to a hooded
society of bigots
929
00:47:41,325 --> 00:47:44,862
so if Klansmen
hear my voice today
930
00:47:44,863 --> 00:47:48,032
let it be both an
appeal and a warning
931
00:47:50,034 --> 00:47:52,937
to get out of the
Ku Klux Klan now.
932
00:47:55,139 --> 00:47:58,308
Leading members of the Klan
were prosecuted by the FBI
933
00:47:58,309 --> 00:48:01,244
and once again, America's
most feared hate group
934
00:48:01,245 --> 00:48:03,247
appeared to be defeated.
935
00:48:05,149 --> 00:48:08,218
But despite the success of
the civil rights movement,
936
00:48:08,219 --> 00:48:11,455
that southern mindset
didn't go away.
937
00:48:11,456 --> 00:48:13,558
It's still with us today.
938
00:48:15,927 --> 00:48:18,629
In the last 50 years,
there's been an explosion
939
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:21,499
of hate groups in America.
940
00:48:21,500 --> 00:48:25,769
In 2015, it was estimated that
there were 892 hate groups
941
00:48:25,770 --> 00:48:28,972
in the US including
anti-government militias,
942
00:48:28,973 --> 00:48:31,609
neo-nazis, neo-confederates,
943
00:48:31,610 --> 00:48:34,679
and 190 separate Ku
Klux Klan groups.
944
00:48:36,481 --> 00:48:38,081
The League of the South is one
945
00:48:38,082 --> 00:48:41,619
that's often described
as a hate group.
946
00:48:41,620 --> 00:48:43,754
It advocates rolling back time,
947
00:48:43,755 --> 00:48:46,356
creating a separate
southern society
948
00:48:46,357 --> 00:48:48,726
run by Anglo-Celts.
949
00:48:48,727 --> 00:48:51,461
So I've got an email
from Dr. Michael Hill,
950
00:48:51,462 --> 00:48:52,963
leader of the
League of the South
951
00:48:52,964 --> 00:48:56,166
and he's suggesting meeting
at the post office parking lot
952
00:48:56,167 --> 00:48:58,002
in Killen at nine a.m.
953
00:49:01,706 --> 00:49:03,708
I think we have our man.
954
00:49:06,778 --> 00:49:09,346
Dr. Hill, hello, I'm Neal.
955
00:49:09,347 --> 00:49:10,514
Nice to meet you, sir.
956
00:49:10,515 --> 00:49:11,549
Nice to meet you too, sir.
957
00:49:11,550 --> 00:49:12,783
Good to be here.
958
00:49:12,784 --> 00:49:15,452
Is it okay if we put
a microphone on you?
959
00:49:15,453 --> 00:49:16,287
Sure.
960
00:49:17,388 --> 00:49:19,189
I think that's one
thing about southerners.
961
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:21,358
We're known for our hospitality
962
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:25,328
but we're also very
suspicious of outsiders.
963
00:49:25,329 --> 00:49:27,297
Now I'm not suspicious
of you folks
964
00:49:27,298 --> 00:49:29,066
because I know
where you come from
965
00:49:29,067 --> 00:49:32,002
and I know that
basically you and I
966
00:49:32,003 --> 00:49:36,306
come from the same
people so it's different
967
00:49:36,307 --> 00:49:38,942
but people come around
here from other places
968
00:49:38,943 --> 00:49:41,044
and southerners are
not so hospitable
969
00:49:41,045 --> 00:49:43,013
until they get to know you.
970
00:49:43,014 --> 00:49:45,215
If you're a nationalist,
what's your nation?
971
00:49:45,216 --> 00:49:47,585
My nation is my people.
972
00:49:47,586 --> 00:49:48,819
[Host] It's not America?
973
00:49:48,820 --> 00:49:50,387
No, America is not my nation.
974
00:49:50,388 --> 00:49:52,355
If your nation is family,
what is your family?
975
00:49:52,356 --> 00:49:54,091
You mean literally
people who are blood.
976
00:49:54,092 --> 00:49:56,994
Yes, exactly,
blood, blood kin.
977
00:49:56,995 --> 00:49:59,262
That is what a nation is.
978
00:49:59,263 --> 00:50:01,398
But you know as well
as I do that the Scots
979
00:50:01,399 --> 00:50:03,934
have always been big
on fictive kinship.
980
00:50:03,935 --> 00:50:07,337
You're sort of in the
clan, in the family.
981
00:50:07,338 --> 00:50:09,674
My family is southern people
982
00:50:11,442 --> 00:50:15,613
and people who are
related to us by genetics
983
00:50:15,614 --> 00:50:17,615
back in the old country.
984
00:50:17,616 --> 00:50:19,382
America is not a nation.
985
00:50:19,383 --> 00:50:22,252
America is a
multi-cultural empire.
986
00:50:22,253 --> 00:50:24,021
I want nothing to do with it.
987
00:50:24,022 --> 00:50:25,857
It has nothing for me.
988
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:36,166
[Host] Is the church
shooting at Charleston
989
00:50:36,167 --> 00:50:39,169
an inevitable consequence
of that kind of grievance?
990
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:42,205
[Michael] I think you just
had a disturbed young man.
991
00:50:42,206 --> 00:50:45,676
He doesn't come
from nowhere, though.
992
00:50:45,677 --> 00:50:46,944
He's from a context.
993
00:50:46,945 --> 00:50:49,312
Sure he's from a context.
994
00:50:49,313 --> 00:50:53,583
The minute I saw that he
had a Confederate flag,
995
00:50:53,584 --> 00:50:56,654
I said oh they will
take this and use it.
996
00:50:56,655 --> 00:50:59,389
If the left wants
to use Dylann Roof
997
00:50:59,390 --> 00:51:03,494
as the archetype of everybody
that thinks like I do
998
00:51:04,996 --> 00:51:07,497
then we're gonna have to have
fair play on the other side.
999
00:51:07,498 --> 00:51:10,600
Every time a black person
kills a white person
1000
00:51:10,601 --> 00:51:13,771
we're gonna have to
just examine that
1001
00:51:13,772 --> 00:51:16,940
inside and out, why it happened,
1002
00:51:16,941 --> 00:51:20,711
the circumstances,
the hatred behind it,
1003
00:51:20,712 --> 00:51:22,913
but it doesn't get done.
1004
00:51:22,914 --> 00:51:24,247
How likely is
it that you're way
1005
00:51:24,248 --> 00:51:26,751
of thinking will come to pass?
1006
00:51:27,819 --> 00:51:30,420
I'm a realist about this.
1007
00:51:30,421 --> 00:51:31,955
If you look out in
the world right now
1008
00:51:31,956 --> 00:51:35,726
you see that the other side
looks like they're winning.
1009
00:51:35,727 --> 00:51:37,961
My side will win mainly because
1010
00:51:37,962 --> 00:51:40,430
it is the natural
way that human beings
1011
00:51:40,431 --> 00:51:42,032
have always lived.
1012
00:51:42,033 --> 00:51:45,002
This is an anomaly period
that we're living in
1013
00:51:45,003 --> 00:51:46,837
and I can see the end of it
1014
00:51:46,838 --> 00:51:48,405
and the pendulum will swing back
1015
00:51:48,406 --> 00:51:50,908
to a more normal
type human existence.
1016
00:51:50,909 --> 00:51:53,610
So yeah, I think I'm
on the right side
1017
00:51:53,611 --> 00:51:56,680
of not only history
but human nature.
1018
00:51:56,681 --> 00:51:58,281
It seems so pessimistic
and depressing
1019
00:51:58,282 --> 00:52:00,083
to me to think that people,
given the opportunity
1020
00:52:00,084 --> 00:52:02,419
to create a new world, and
that was the expression
1021
00:52:02,420 --> 00:52:04,688
that was in use at the time.
1022
00:52:04,689 --> 00:52:07,758
They came out full of
ideas like the pursuit
1023
00:52:07,759 --> 00:52:11,261
of happiness and equality
and religious freedom
1024
00:52:11,262 --> 00:52:12,596
and all of that.
1025
00:52:15,333 --> 00:52:17,868
They were part of a world
that became a misery
1026
00:52:17,869 --> 00:52:19,937
for millions, I
find that just sad.
1027
00:52:19,938 --> 00:52:21,504
I know, but what
does it tell you.
1028
00:52:21,505 --> 00:52:24,541
It tells you that
there can be no utopias
1029
00:52:24,542 --> 00:52:26,576
because man is a fallen creature
1030
00:52:26,577 --> 00:52:30,180
and he's always gonna behave
like a fallen creature.
1031
00:52:30,181 --> 00:52:32,851
He's always going to fuck it up.
1032
00:52:36,154 --> 00:52:37,620
I said was there
someone who has
1033
00:52:37,621 --> 00:52:41,559
perhaps a naive hope in
the brotherhood of mankind,
1034
00:52:44,095 --> 00:52:46,597
if he's right then I just feel
1035
00:52:49,734 --> 00:52:51,368
we're never gonna get anywhere.
1036
00:52:51,369 --> 00:52:55,238
If there was ever an
indication that history's alive
1037
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,842
then it's here, a set of events
1038
00:52:59,077 --> 00:53:02,245
unfolded here 200
and odd years ago
1039
00:53:02,246 --> 00:53:05,115
and the consequences
of them, the reality
1040
00:53:05,116 --> 00:53:07,951
of the world which created then
1041
00:53:07,952 --> 00:53:10,054
are still 100% here.
1042
00:53:11,555 --> 00:53:14,893
He feels as if we're
not going anywhere.
1043
00:53:18,930 --> 00:53:20,864
It's so dispiriting
to hear someone
1044
00:53:20,865 --> 00:53:24,534
using my Scottish
ancestry in support
1045
00:53:24,535 --> 00:53:27,872
of views that could
give rise to hatred.
1046
00:53:29,507 --> 00:53:31,208
I'm heading back to
the state capital
1047
00:53:31,209 --> 00:53:34,945
to get a second opinion on
Michael Hill's thinking.
1048
00:53:34,946 --> 00:53:37,714
Mark Potok keeps
tabs on hate groups
1049
00:53:37,715 --> 00:53:40,083
at the Southern
Poverty Law Center
1050
00:53:40,084 --> 00:53:41,551
and he has monitored
the development
1051
00:53:41,552 --> 00:53:44,121
of the League of the
South for some time.
1052
00:53:44,122 --> 00:53:46,790
I've heard mention
of the potential
1053
00:53:46,791 --> 00:53:50,962
for a race war, is that
just meaningless hyperbole?
1054
00:53:52,363 --> 00:53:55,732
Well look, I mean, a
race war is the wet dream
1055
00:53:55,733 --> 00:53:58,235
of all of these groups.
1056
00:53:58,236 --> 00:54:01,271
They all expect a
race war and many
1057
00:54:01,272 --> 00:54:03,874
of them fervently hope for it.
1058
00:54:03,875 --> 00:54:06,209
That's absolutely
common in the Klan
1059
00:54:06,210 --> 00:54:08,812
and in neo-nazi
groups and so on.
1060
00:54:08,813 --> 00:54:11,281
What's been surprising
is to see the evolution
1061
00:54:11,282 --> 00:54:13,383
of a group like the
League of the South.
1062
00:54:13,384 --> 00:54:14,885
Mike Hill wrote a few months ago
1063
00:54:14,886 --> 00:54:18,655
an incredible essay in
which he said essentially
1064
00:54:18,656 --> 00:54:21,491
if black people think
they wanna have a race war
1065
00:54:21,492 --> 00:54:23,060
let me just warn them right now,
1066
00:54:23,061 --> 00:54:25,495
they're not gonna win that war.
1067
00:54:25,496 --> 00:54:28,065
Hill has also
talked to his people
1068
00:54:28,066 --> 00:54:32,069
not merely about how the south
is an Anglo-Celtic wonderland
1069
00:54:32,070 --> 00:54:33,536
and all this kind of
things and we need
1070
00:54:33,537 --> 00:54:36,273
to protect our culture
but about the need
1071
00:54:36,274 --> 00:54:39,777
to buy AK-47's and
tools to derail trains.
1072
00:54:42,646 --> 00:54:44,882
Will this ever really
come to a race war?
1073
00:54:44,883 --> 00:54:47,117
No, I very much doubt it.
1074
00:54:47,118 --> 00:54:48,852
Are there people out
there who desperately
1075
00:54:48,853 --> 00:54:50,253
would like to see it happen?
1076
00:54:50,254 --> 00:54:51,155
Absolutely.
1077
00:54:52,556 --> 00:54:57,027
In the aftermath of the June
2015 Charleston massacre
1078
00:54:57,028 --> 00:55:00,263
by Dylann Roof, there
was an enormous backlash
1079
00:55:00,264 --> 00:55:02,499
against the
Confederate battle flag
1080
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:04,234
because Roof, of course,
before carrying out
1081
00:55:04,235 --> 00:55:06,636
this mass murder, had
taken many pictures
1082
00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:10,107
of himself displaying the
Confederate battle flag
1083
00:55:10,108 --> 00:55:13,676
and as a result of that,
the flag came under attack.
1084
00:55:13,677 --> 00:55:14,777
The governor of South Carolina
1085
00:55:14,778 --> 00:55:16,379
ordered the
Confederate battle flag
1086
00:55:16,380 --> 00:55:19,383
off the grounds of
the state capital
1087
00:55:20,551 --> 00:55:22,252
and then there was
this incredible,
1088
00:55:22,253 --> 00:55:24,754
very widespread reaction.
1089
00:55:24,755 --> 00:55:27,224
We counted actually,
in the six months
1090
00:55:27,225 --> 00:55:29,726
immediately following
the Charleston massacre,
1091
00:55:29,727 --> 00:55:33,064
364 pro-Confederate
battle flag rallies.
1092
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:38,868
Does that rhetoric inform
people like Dylann Roof?
1093
00:55:38,869 --> 00:55:41,238
I don't think Dylann
Roof probably even knew
1094
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,340
what the League of the South was
1095
00:55:43,341 --> 00:55:45,575
but did he connect
with the kinds of ideas
1096
00:55:45,576 --> 00:55:47,244
that are at the center of
the League of the South?
1097
00:55:47,245 --> 00:55:48,179
Absolutely.
1098
00:55:50,814 --> 00:55:53,116
One of the greatest
writers of the south,
1099
00:55:53,117 --> 00:55:54,817
William Faulkner,
wrote something
1100
00:55:54,818 --> 00:55:57,320
that seems very apt.
1101
00:55:57,321 --> 00:55:59,789
The past isn't dead and buried.
1102
00:55:59,790 --> 00:56:03,061
It's not even past
and that's the point.
1103
00:56:04,462 --> 00:56:07,530
All the people of the south
are living with history,
1104
00:56:07,531 --> 00:56:10,400
coping with the
consequences of immigration,
1105
00:56:10,401 --> 00:56:13,570
greed, fear, and a
sequence of events
1106
00:56:13,571 --> 00:56:17,741
that have turned this place
upside down more than once.
1107
00:56:19,944 --> 00:56:21,844
I come to the end of my journey
1108
00:56:21,845 --> 00:56:24,949
at the church where
this story began.
1109
00:56:27,151 --> 00:56:30,187
How on Earth do the people
who suffered the attacks here
1110
00:56:30,188 --> 00:56:32,222
cope with the
horror of the racism
1111
00:56:32,223 --> 00:56:34,724
that has stopped the
south since the settlers
1112
00:56:34,725 --> 00:56:36,327
first arrived here.
1113
00:56:37,761 --> 00:56:42,199
Just with the thought
of this interview itself,
1114
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,068
I'm teary eyed to
think that this
1115
00:56:45,069 --> 00:56:47,504
is what brought us together
1116
00:56:47,505 --> 00:56:50,707
but yet I'm grateful
because it gives me
1117
00:56:50,708 --> 00:56:53,711
an opportunity to
say to my brothers
1118
00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:59,616
and sisters around the
world, thank you for caring.
1119
00:56:59,617 --> 00:57:04,021
Thank you for praying
for us, remembering us,
1120
00:57:04,022 --> 00:57:06,556
and not forgetting about it.
1121
00:57:06,557 --> 00:57:09,792
Is there anything that
ought to be forgotten?
1122
00:57:09,793 --> 00:57:13,830
Are there any ideas that
need to be put in the past
1123
00:57:13,831 --> 00:57:15,999
and not taken into the future?
1124
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,868
I think that each of
us, we are sum total
1125
00:57:18,869 --> 00:57:22,772
of our past, our present,
and our hope for the future
1126
00:57:22,773 --> 00:57:26,309
and so no, I wouldn't want
to disregard the past.
1127
00:57:26,310 --> 00:57:28,111
I'd wanna learn from it.
1128
00:57:28,112 --> 00:57:30,580
I'd wanna grow as a result of it
1129
00:57:30,581 --> 00:57:33,383
and we must embrace
our individuality
1130
00:57:33,384 --> 00:57:36,853
and celebrate it
and not be negative
1131
00:57:36,854 --> 00:57:38,555
as a result of it.
1132
00:57:38,556 --> 00:57:41,892
I believe that from
this can lead a path
1133
00:57:43,461 --> 00:57:46,297
of race relations
that's positive.
1134
00:57:47,731 --> 00:57:50,867
A path that will lead us to
a place of reconciliation,
1135
00:57:50,868 --> 00:57:54,805
of healing, and a place
of a healthier society.
1136
00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:00,278
Oh hey, come on.
1137
00:58:04,948 --> 00:58:07,718
(downbeat music)
1138
00:58:08,305 --> 00:59:08,651
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