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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,069 --> 00:00:03,804 (downbeat music) 2 00:00:18,452 --> 00:00:20,554 - [Narrator] On the 17th of June, 2015, 3 00:00:20,554 --> 00:00:22,656 Charleston in South Carolina saw one 4 00:00:22,656 --> 00:00:25,025 of the worst racially motivated killings 5 00:00:25,025 --> 00:00:27,261 in recent American history. 6 00:00:30,964 --> 00:00:33,201 Nine black worshipers were shot dead 7 00:00:33,201 --> 00:00:37,205 during a prayer meeting at this downtown church. 8 00:00:40,908 --> 00:00:45,146 The killer was identified as 21 year old white supremacist 9 00:00:45,146 --> 00:00:46,147 Dylann Roof. 10 00:00:47,515 --> 00:00:49,417 He confessed to committing the massacre 11 00:00:49,417 --> 00:00:52,353 in the hope of igniting a race war. 12 00:00:55,389 --> 00:00:58,759 All of America was shocked but in the southern state, 13 00:00:58,759 --> 00:01:01,429 where race has been an issue for centuries, 14 00:01:01,429 --> 00:01:03,864 the shooting also triggered a passionate argument 15 00:01:03,864 --> 00:01:05,099 about the past. 16 00:01:07,268 --> 00:01:10,471 Much of it focused on the Confederate battle flag. 17 00:01:10,471 --> 00:01:14,642 For many, the very symbol of racism and hate 18 00:01:14,642 --> 00:01:17,311 but what is it about the past that stokes the flames 19 00:01:17,311 --> 00:01:18,579 of racism here? 20 00:01:19,747 --> 00:01:21,682 That's the question that interests me 21 00:01:21,682 --> 00:01:23,083 because it seems that the bedrock 22 00:01:23,083 --> 00:01:25,052 of the southern states of America, 23 00:01:25,052 --> 00:01:27,855 the old, confederate, deep south is, 24 00:01:27,855 --> 00:01:31,759 deep down, more than a little Scottish. 25 00:01:31,759 --> 00:01:33,461 - He lifted the blazing emblem. 26 00:01:33,461 --> 00:01:35,763 The fiery cross of old Scotland's hill. 27 00:01:35,763 --> 00:01:39,066 It would become the most identifiable symbols 28 00:01:39,066 --> 00:01:42,903 of race hatred, of the Ku Klux Klan. 29 00:01:42,903 --> 00:01:44,305 - I think that white southerners 30 00:01:44,305 --> 00:01:47,141 do think of themselves as Celts. 31 00:01:47,141 --> 00:01:49,577 It is absolutely a core idea for a lot 32 00:01:49,577 --> 00:01:52,112 of these white supremacist groups 33 00:01:52,112 --> 00:01:53,881 including the original Klan which of course 34 00:01:53,881 --> 00:01:56,450 was thinking of Scottish clans with a C 35 00:01:56,450 --> 00:02:00,588 when they called themselves the Ku Klux Klan with a K. 36 00:02:06,327 --> 00:02:08,196 - I've spent a lot of time celebrating 37 00:02:08,196 --> 00:02:10,764 the legacy of Scots who left home 38 00:02:10,764 --> 00:02:12,300 and helped lay the foundations 39 00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:15,035 of the United States of America. 40 00:02:15,035 --> 00:02:18,005 When they arrived here, they had the chance 41 00:02:18,005 --> 00:02:21,575 to create something new, something perfect. 42 00:02:22,476 --> 00:02:23,477 A new world. 43 00:02:24,545 --> 00:02:25,779 A (mumbling) of the signatories 44 00:02:25,779 --> 00:02:28,682 of the Declaration of Independence were Scots. 45 00:02:28,682 --> 00:02:31,084 The pursuit of happiness, the most famous part 46 00:02:31,084 --> 00:02:34,922 of the declaration is arguably a Scottish idea 47 00:02:35,956 --> 00:02:38,492 but the new world is not perfect 48 00:02:38,492 --> 00:02:41,161 and I want to find out why. 49 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:43,130 If the Scots had a significant hand 50 00:02:43,130 --> 00:02:45,599 in conjuring the American dream, 51 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:47,468 to what extent were they also responsible 52 00:02:47,468 --> 00:02:49,470 for the nightmare? 53 00:02:49,470 --> 00:02:51,739 That ugliest of stains. 54 00:02:51,739 --> 00:02:56,009 The bloody, violent history of race hatred 55 00:02:56,009 --> 00:02:58,779 that blights America to this day. 56 00:03:14,828 --> 00:03:16,764 I'm traveling over 2,000 miles 57 00:03:16,764 --> 00:03:19,233 of the southern states of America. 58 00:03:19,233 --> 00:03:21,535 It's somewhere I've never been before 59 00:03:21,535 --> 00:03:24,638 and I'm going to explore how early Scottish immigration 60 00:03:24,638 --> 00:03:26,807 evolved and see whether it's had 61 00:03:26,807 --> 00:03:30,311 an enduring impact on race relations here. 62 00:03:32,246 --> 00:03:35,249 This seems like a natural place to start 63 00:03:35,249 --> 00:03:37,150 as I'm told it's living evidence 64 00:03:37,150 --> 00:03:39,720 of the Scots that originally settled here. 65 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:40,988 (bagpipe music) 66 00:03:40,988 --> 00:03:42,690 I'm in Greenville in South Carolina 67 00:03:42,690 --> 00:03:44,625 on the eve of an annual gathering 68 00:03:44,625 --> 00:03:47,127 for the highland games. 69 00:03:47,127 --> 00:03:48,729 I can hear the pipes. 70 00:03:48,729 --> 00:03:51,164 Must be Scottish people here. 71 00:04:04,545 --> 00:04:07,415 - Come on people, let's hear you! 72 00:04:07,415 --> 00:04:08,782 - We're Scottish American. 73 00:04:08,782 --> 00:04:11,985 - Okay, you do the Scottish parts? 74 00:04:11,985 --> 00:04:14,288 - We do tonight, yes, absolutely. 75 00:04:14,288 --> 00:04:15,923 - You claim Scottish descent? 76 00:04:15,923 --> 00:04:17,124 - Yes. 77 00:04:17,124 --> 00:04:19,393 - If you were to score yourself out of 10 78 00:04:19,393 --> 00:04:23,364 as a Scot, what numbers would you give yourself? 79 00:04:23,364 --> 00:04:24,532 - Today, a 10. 80 00:04:25,799 --> 00:04:27,100 - I have a four year old. 81 00:04:27,100 --> 00:04:28,902 If I could get him out here, he's still scared 82 00:04:28,902 --> 00:04:31,505 of bagpipes, but as soon as I can get him over that 83 00:04:31,505 --> 00:04:33,006 it'll be fantastic. 84 00:04:33,006 --> 00:04:34,875 - He's scared of bagpipes. 85 00:04:34,875 --> 00:04:37,811 That's a worrying, oh, there we go. 86 00:04:42,316 --> 00:04:44,084 The next day at the games proper 87 00:04:44,084 --> 00:04:45,853 I asked yet more (mumbling) Scots 88 00:04:45,853 --> 00:04:47,888 what they thought of the effect 89 00:04:47,888 --> 00:04:50,524 of Scottish migration to the states. 90 00:04:50,524 --> 00:04:51,792 - They influenced everything. 91 00:04:51,792 --> 00:04:53,694 The first governor of South Carolina 92 00:04:53,694 --> 00:04:55,863 was a boy from Oxfordshire and he very quickly 93 00:04:55,863 --> 00:04:57,631 wanted state laws that reflected 94 00:04:57,631 --> 00:05:00,568 the way things were back in Scotland. 95 00:05:00,568 --> 00:05:02,603 (cheering) 96 00:05:02,603 --> 00:05:04,104 - Some historians will tell you 97 00:05:04,104 --> 00:05:07,074 to look at the Confederate flag from the civil war, 98 00:05:07,074 --> 00:05:10,010 very similar to St. Andrews in terms of design 99 00:05:10,010 --> 00:05:11,812 and they see a connection there 100 00:05:11,812 --> 00:05:13,447 because it was a lot of Scottish heritage 101 00:05:13,447 --> 00:05:14,915 in those early days. 102 00:05:14,915 --> 00:05:16,316 - Coming from a place where you weren't allowed 103 00:05:16,316 --> 00:05:17,618 to have your own land and you felt 104 00:05:17,618 --> 00:05:19,420 you were kept down by the landlords. 105 00:05:19,420 --> 00:05:21,455 The first thing you do when you get here is buy slaves. 106 00:05:21,455 --> 00:05:25,459 There's a kind of disjuncture there isn't there? 107 00:05:35,202 --> 00:05:37,938 (downbeat music) 108 00:05:41,642 --> 00:05:43,411 Greenville's not unique. 109 00:05:43,411 --> 00:05:45,278 All over the south I'm finding people 110 00:05:45,278 --> 00:05:47,114 who keep to describe themselves 111 00:05:47,114 --> 00:05:50,350 or their ancestors as Scottish. 112 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:53,320 How and why did the Scots arrive here 113 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,756 and what does that tell us about the nature 114 00:05:55,756 --> 00:05:57,324 of the south today? 115 00:06:01,061 --> 00:06:03,564 I found one man who has written extensively 116 00:06:03,564 --> 00:06:06,266 on trans-Atlantic immigration. 117 00:06:06,266 --> 00:06:08,068 Barry Vann has studied the subject 118 00:06:08,068 --> 00:06:10,738 in the United States and the UK. 119 00:06:12,540 --> 00:06:13,907 He brought me to one of the peaks 120 00:06:13,907 --> 00:06:16,410 of the Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia 121 00:06:16,410 --> 00:06:19,012 to look down on the great Appalachian Valley 122 00:06:19,012 --> 00:06:21,114 that most of the early Scottish settlers 123 00:06:21,114 --> 00:06:24,552 would have passed through during the 18th century. 124 00:06:24,552 --> 00:06:26,954 - They were going to the frontier, looking for cheap land. 125 00:06:26,954 --> 00:06:28,355 Ran into those mountains. 126 00:06:28,355 --> 00:06:29,857 They couldn't go north because that land 127 00:06:29,857 --> 00:06:31,492 was already occupied and they couldn't 128 00:06:31,492 --> 00:06:33,093 go over the mountains because it was too difficult 129 00:06:33,093 --> 00:06:34,327 to get over them and they were probably 130 00:06:34,327 --> 00:06:35,929 hostile natives over there so they came 131 00:06:35,929 --> 00:06:37,865 down the valleys this way. 132 00:06:37,865 --> 00:06:40,333 - It's such a massive undertaking for these people. 133 00:06:40,333 --> 00:06:41,835 What's driving it? 134 00:06:41,835 --> 00:06:44,938 - One was economic because they were coming 135 00:06:44,938 --> 00:06:47,608 from a place where the lands that they had farmed 136 00:06:47,608 --> 00:06:49,943 for generations were no longer available to them 137 00:06:49,943 --> 00:06:51,445 'cause they weren't able to afford 138 00:06:51,445 --> 00:06:54,281 the money rent that was required to stay on those lands 139 00:06:54,281 --> 00:06:55,916 but here they could acquire lands 140 00:06:55,916 --> 00:06:58,786 and become their own lords. 141 00:06:58,786 --> 00:07:00,153 In lot of respects, they were trying 142 00:07:00,153 --> 00:07:02,990 to recreate the imagined Scotland 143 00:07:02,990 --> 00:07:06,426 that they had back there but they wanted it here 144 00:07:06,426 --> 00:07:08,496 because they had more resources. 145 00:07:08,496 --> 00:07:11,264 Look at those beautiful trees, water was plentiful. 146 00:07:11,264 --> 00:07:13,601 Nice longer growing seasons. 147 00:07:13,601 --> 00:07:15,869 This was a bountiful place. 148 00:07:17,037 --> 00:07:19,206 This was the Scotland that they had imagined. 149 00:07:19,206 --> 00:07:20,608 - Scotland 2.0. 150 00:07:20,608 --> 00:07:21,509 - That's right. 151 00:07:21,509 --> 00:07:22,543 - It's the upgrade. 152 00:07:22,543 --> 00:07:25,178 - The upgrade, absolutely. 153 00:07:25,178 --> 00:07:27,280 - [Host] But it wasn't just the prospect of a better future 154 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,719 that drew Scots to what they called the back country. 155 00:07:31,719 --> 00:07:34,021 They were tempted here because of the reputation 156 00:07:34,021 --> 00:07:35,422 as fighting folk. 157 00:07:36,857 --> 00:07:39,292 Recruited to help defend the coastal areas 158 00:07:39,292 --> 00:07:41,328 already settled by the English 159 00:07:41,328 --> 00:07:44,765 from native Americans and the French. 160 00:07:44,765 --> 00:07:46,567 - They wanted them to go to the back country, 161 00:07:46,567 --> 00:07:50,337 to this part of the state or colony at that time 162 00:07:50,337 --> 00:07:54,508 and to be a buffer zone against potential invasion. 163 00:07:56,409 --> 00:07:58,979 (gentle music) 164 00:08:06,419 --> 00:08:09,857 This is probably the oldest part of the cemetery right here 165 00:08:09,857 --> 00:08:12,092 and these are some of the founding families, 166 00:08:12,092 --> 00:08:13,727 second generation. 167 00:08:13,727 --> 00:08:15,863 - Down in the valley lies the resting place 168 00:08:15,863 --> 00:08:18,532 of many of those early frontiers people. 169 00:08:18,532 --> 00:08:22,102 Yeah, look at that, Scott, Kirkpatrick, Bell. 170 00:08:22,102 --> 00:08:24,772 They came from Scotland and from Alston 171 00:08:24,772 --> 00:08:26,173 and they quickly exceeded the number 172 00:08:26,173 --> 00:08:28,942 of English settlers in the south. 173 00:08:29,977 --> 00:08:31,344 Next to the graveyard, we can see 174 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:33,681 what united these newcomers. 175 00:08:34,982 --> 00:08:36,650 This church is built on the site 176 00:08:36,650 --> 00:08:38,952 of one of the earliest Presbyterian places 177 00:08:38,952 --> 00:08:41,354 of worship in the area. 178 00:08:41,354 --> 00:08:43,924 Were they a happy lot, do you think, 179 00:08:43,924 --> 00:08:45,593 or were they coming in with lots 180 00:08:45,593 --> 00:08:48,428 of emotional and religious baggage 181 00:08:49,763 --> 00:08:53,634 on account of the old country they had left behind? 182 00:08:53,634 --> 00:08:55,235 - When they got here, they were interested 183 00:08:55,235 --> 00:08:57,805 in acquiring land and they also knew 184 00:08:57,805 --> 00:09:00,273 that they were gonna be facing potential hostiles 185 00:09:00,273 --> 00:09:03,276 and so they were not necessarily coming here 186 00:09:03,276 --> 00:09:06,580 with an open hand saying we wanna be friends. 187 00:09:06,580 --> 00:09:08,148 They came here for the most part 188 00:09:08,148 --> 00:09:09,883 interested in farming if they could 189 00:09:09,883 --> 00:09:12,552 and they wanted to live in strategically important places. 190 00:09:12,552 --> 00:09:14,988 That's why we call them today hillbillies 191 00:09:14,988 --> 00:09:16,556 and hilltoppers because they wanted 192 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:18,025 to live up in the hills where they could see 193 00:09:18,025 --> 00:09:19,459 the enemy coming. 194 00:09:19,459 --> 00:09:21,962 - For those Presbyterians, who were the enemy? 195 00:09:21,962 --> 00:09:23,496 Who was it they thought was gonna come 196 00:09:23,496 --> 00:09:25,799 and attack them on their hills? 197 00:09:25,799 --> 00:09:28,235 - Anybody who wasn't them. 198 00:09:28,235 --> 00:09:30,070 It could be the English because they 199 00:09:30,070 --> 00:09:32,940 had a history of conflict with the English. 200 00:09:32,940 --> 00:09:34,842 They had a history of conflict with the Catholics. 201 00:09:34,842 --> 00:09:36,376 They had a history of conflict 202 00:09:36,376 --> 00:09:40,313 with almost anybody who was not dissenting if you will. 203 00:09:41,682 --> 00:09:43,483 - Some of those settlers, confident 204 00:09:43,483 --> 00:09:46,086 about who they were and just as importantly 205 00:09:46,086 --> 00:09:50,724 who they weren't strode out into the untamed back country 206 00:09:50,724 --> 00:09:54,895 moving further south and west with each generation. 207 00:10:05,773 --> 00:10:07,775 But at the end of the 18th century, 208 00:10:07,775 --> 00:10:09,242 the settlers simply way of life 209 00:10:09,242 --> 00:10:12,079 was transformed by something that changed the course 210 00:10:12,079 --> 00:10:14,748 of this part of America forever. 211 00:10:20,487 --> 00:10:22,890 It was the arrival of cotton. 212 00:10:24,591 --> 00:10:28,195 To the frontier farmers, the economics were simple. 213 00:10:28,195 --> 00:10:33,200 Cotton was a cash crop that brought relatively easy money. 214 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,335 It also offered an easy life as long 215 00:10:35,335 --> 00:10:38,672 as those picking the cotton were slaves. 216 00:10:42,409 --> 00:10:46,013 As the cotton industry grew, so did slavery. 217 00:10:46,013 --> 00:10:48,849 By 1810, the number of slaves in the US 218 00:10:48,849 --> 00:10:52,085 rose to 1.2 million, almost double 219 00:10:52,085 --> 00:10:54,521 what it was 20 years earlier. 220 00:10:57,457 --> 00:11:00,327 Now, the descendants of many oppressed 221 00:11:00,327 --> 00:11:03,363 and downtrodden refugee Scots took the path 222 00:11:03,363 --> 00:11:06,767 of racism to become oppressors themselves 223 00:11:08,635 --> 00:11:10,771 and their simple farmhouses became 224 00:11:10,771 --> 00:11:13,874 increasingly grand plantation houses. 225 00:11:15,275 --> 00:11:19,046 Like this one, built in 1851 just outside Charleston 226 00:11:19,046 --> 00:11:21,281 by William Wallace McCleod. 227 00:11:23,416 --> 00:11:26,920 He owned one of the largest plantations in South Carolina 228 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,090 but like many, he never forgot his roots. 229 00:11:30,090 --> 00:11:33,093 He called the grand house Inverness. 230 00:11:35,228 --> 00:11:36,930 The impression planters wanted to give 231 00:11:36,930 --> 00:11:40,267 was one of affluence and the most striking display 232 00:11:40,267 --> 00:11:42,235 of wealth at that time was measured 233 00:11:42,235 --> 00:11:44,004 by the number of slave cabins 234 00:11:44,004 --> 00:11:46,840 that lined the drive to the house. 235 00:11:48,641 --> 00:11:50,243 Here there were 23. 236 00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:54,815 I asked Heather Williams to show me around. 237 00:11:54,815 --> 00:11:56,950 Not only is she an expert in slavery 238 00:11:56,950 --> 00:12:00,653 in the south but she's known this place for some time. 239 00:12:00,653 --> 00:12:03,156 - When I first came to this place, 240 00:12:03,156 --> 00:12:07,327 for me it was a really powerful sense of the past. 241 00:12:09,529 --> 00:12:12,132 The cabins, it seemed as though slavery 242 00:12:12,132 --> 00:12:13,834 has just ended one day and everybody 243 00:12:13,834 --> 00:12:16,536 had packed up and left and that I had been, 244 00:12:16,536 --> 00:12:20,340 in a sense, transported back to that time period, 245 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:21,674 the late 1860's. 246 00:12:23,043 --> 00:12:25,278 In order for a society to survive 247 00:12:25,278 --> 00:12:27,514 you need the top people who think 248 00:12:27,514 --> 00:12:29,549 and then you have the people who do the work. 249 00:12:29,549 --> 00:12:31,284 This is what James Henry Hammond said. 250 00:12:31,284 --> 00:12:34,321 He was a senator from South Carolina, 251 00:12:34,321 --> 00:12:36,256 governor and so on. 252 00:12:36,256 --> 00:12:39,292 You need a mud seal, he said, in the society 253 00:12:39,292 --> 00:12:41,594 and we have found them in these Africans 254 00:12:41,594 --> 00:12:43,663 who are so well-suited to do the work 255 00:12:43,663 --> 00:12:45,765 that we don't want to do. 256 00:12:45,765 --> 00:12:48,501 (downbeat music) 257 00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:59,512 They were legally owned. 258 00:12:59,512 --> 00:13:01,949 They could be sold, they could be traded, 259 00:13:01,949 --> 00:13:04,852 they could be given away, they could be mortgaged. 260 00:13:04,852 --> 00:13:07,254 People could transfer them. 261 00:13:07,254 --> 00:13:09,556 There was this perpetual sense 262 00:13:09,556 --> 00:13:12,025 that they would be punished if they didn't adhere 263 00:13:12,025 --> 00:13:14,194 to the rules of the place. 264 00:13:16,296 --> 00:13:20,267 - So would this be about as good as it gets 265 00:13:20,267 --> 00:13:22,569 for enslaved people? 266 00:13:22,569 --> 00:13:26,006 - Yeah, I think, I've seen cabins made of brick 267 00:13:26,006 --> 00:13:28,775 which might have kept people a little bit warmer 268 00:13:28,775 --> 00:13:30,277 in the winter. 269 00:13:30,277 --> 00:13:31,879 I would think that there would be 270 00:13:31,879 --> 00:13:34,781 at least six, seven people in here. 271 00:13:36,383 --> 00:13:38,451 - William Wallace McCleod enslaved up 272 00:13:38,451 --> 00:13:40,954 to a hundred people on his plantation 273 00:13:40,954 --> 00:13:44,892 while he lived the life of undoubted privilege. 274 00:13:56,336 --> 00:14:00,507 Being here in a place where slavery actually happened, 275 00:14:00,507 --> 00:14:03,977 I have to admit I'm filled for the first time 276 00:14:03,977 --> 00:14:07,981 with feelings of disbelief at the surreal nature 277 00:14:09,449 --> 00:14:13,520 of the life that those elite whites chose for themselves. 278 00:14:14,955 --> 00:14:18,658 How you get to the point where you can enjoy a life 279 00:14:20,060 --> 00:14:23,863 that is composed of people who are your captives 280 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:26,199 who are around you in great numbers 281 00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:29,602 every minute of the day, doing things against their will 282 00:14:29,602 --> 00:14:32,039 for no pay, they cook your food, 283 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:36,109 they work in the fields, they fix up the house. 284 00:14:36,109 --> 00:14:38,611 If it's a cold night, you would order one 285 00:14:38,611 --> 00:14:42,282 of them to lie across your feet on your bed 286 00:14:42,282 --> 00:14:44,017 so that you are warm. 287 00:14:49,422 --> 00:14:52,325 At what point does living like that 288 00:14:54,127 --> 00:14:56,196 feel in any sense normal? 289 00:15:00,733 --> 00:15:03,303 And it was another Scot who provided the bomb 290 00:15:03,303 --> 00:15:06,206 that made all this seem legitimate. 291 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,177 By the mid 1800's, almost every house 292 00:15:10,177 --> 00:15:11,578 like this would have contained some 293 00:15:11,578 --> 00:15:16,216 of the many romantic novels of Sir Walter Scott. 294 00:15:16,216 --> 00:15:17,985 Scott's stories of gallant knights 295 00:15:17,985 --> 00:15:20,720 and brave highlanders set in a golden, 296 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,456 mythical past were wildly popular 297 00:15:28,028 --> 00:15:30,998 but according to the American writer Mark Twain 298 00:15:30,998 --> 00:15:34,234 they merely fed this fantasy lifestyle. 299 00:15:35,868 --> 00:15:38,205 Twain felt the planters were modeling their lives 300 00:15:38,205 --> 00:15:41,741 on Scott's romantic vision of the old country, 301 00:15:41,741 --> 00:15:45,812 imagining themselves as lairds of their own clan. 302 00:15:47,147 --> 00:15:48,581 He wrote that the civilization of the south 303 00:15:48,581 --> 00:15:51,784 in the 19th century is curiously confused 304 00:15:51,784 --> 00:15:53,886 and co-mingled with the Walter Scott 305 00:15:53,886 --> 00:15:56,789 middle age sham civilization. 306 00:15:56,789 --> 00:15:59,692 The inflated speech and the Georgian romanticism 307 00:15:59,692 --> 00:16:03,063 of an upset past that is dead and like a charity, 308 00:16:03,063 --> 00:16:04,664 ought to be buried. 309 00:16:06,033 --> 00:16:08,435 - I think that for many people it felt 310 00:16:08,435 --> 00:16:12,172 as though it was something they were entitled to 311 00:16:12,172 --> 00:16:14,941 and I think that sense of entitlement 312 00:16:14,941 --> 00:16:17,710 then passed from generation to generation. 313 00:16:17,710 --> 00:16:19,712 This sense that you are supposed 314 00:16:19,712 --> 00:16:22,815 to have more than other people 315 00:16:22,815 --> 00:16:25,485 and that some people are supposed to serve 316 00:16:25,485 --> 00:16:27,720 and you are to be served. 317 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,091 - Twain also thought that Scott's heroic romanticism 318 00:16:31,091 --> 00:16:35,262 was partly responsible for the terrible war that followed. 319 00:16:39,232 --> 00:16:40,800 The northern states had wanted 320 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,070 to limit the expansion of slavery 321 00:16:43,070 --> 00:16:47,174 just as the worldwide demand for cotton was booming. 322 00:16:47,174 --> 00:16:49,576 Southern state planters like William McCleod 323 00:16:49,576 --> 00:16:51,844 saw their whole lifestyle threatened 324 00:16:51,844 --> 00:16:54,147 and were willing to fight for it. 325 00:16:54,147 --> 00:16:58,551 In 1861, the 11 slave states with cotton based economies 326 00:16:58,551 --> 00:17:03,223 left the union and a horrific four year war began. 327 00:17:03,223 --> 00:17:05,725 (guns firing) 328 00:17:07,627 --> 00:17:10,930 Now, 150 years later, people flock 329 00:17:10,930 --> 00:17:13,866 to see the Civil War as entertainment 330 00:17:13,866 --> 00:17:16,169 and living history groups meet regularly 331 00:17:16,169 --> 00:17:19,272 to replay the battles again and again. 332 00:17:19,272 --> 00:17:22,142 This one is at Fort Hollingsworth in Georgia 333 00:17:22,142 --> 00:17:23,410 where reenactors from all 334 00:17:23,410 --> 00:17:26,379 over the southern states take part. 335 00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:28,981 What is it important to remember 336 00:17:28,981 --> 00:17:33,153 by taking part in and watching a reenactment like this? 337 00:17:33,153 --> 00:17:35,288 - It's important to make sure that the people understand 338 00:17:35,288 --> 00:17:37,990 that what the history is all about. 339 00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:40,260 It's important that they remember that this 340 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:42,962 is something that their ancestors fought for 341 00:17:42,962 --> 00:17:45,598 and something that's actually a part of them. 342 00:17:45,598 --> 00:17:48,568 This is something that they were born ingrained with 343 00:17:48,568 --> 00:17:50,303 and they should remember that. 344 00:17:50,303 --> 00:17:53,306 - What does define the ancestors? 345 00:17:53,306 --> 00:17:55,642 - They didn't leave any of their culture behind. 346 00:17:55,642 --> 00:17:58,711 They just brought it here and used that culture 347 00:17:58,711 --> 00:18:01,814 and created something completely new. 348 00:18:01,814 --> 00:18:04,184 Even from the way we talk. 349 00:18:04,184 --> 00:18:06,919 Even down to the patterns in their clothes. 350 00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:10,657 When the Scots came here they brought with them the tartans. 351 00:18:10,657 --> 00:18:12,792 - Our way of life is probably closer 352 00:18:12,792 --> 00:18:15,528 to those in Scotland that are now 353 00:18:15,528 --> 00:18:17,497 in this part of the country. 354 00:18:17,497 --> 00:18:20,800 We held on to a lot of their ways, I think we did. 355 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,569 I think we did. 356 00:18:22,569 --> 00:18:25,338 - [Host] What was lost when the war was lost? 357 00:18:25,338 --> 00:18:28,275 - The way we lived, actually. 358 00:18:28,275 --> 00:18:32,111 They had plantations, a lot of folks had plantations 359 00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:36,283 and a lot of wealth and a lot of that was lost in the south. 360 00:18:38,185 --> 00:18:41,521 They had to go back and start life over. 361 00:18:43,456 --> 00:18:48,161 - America's Civil War was immensely destructive. 362 00:18:48,161 --> 00:18:50,663 Well over half a million soldiers died 363 00:18:50,663 --> 00:18:54,834 and much of the south's infrastructure was ruined. 364 00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:01,208 For many whites, the greatest fear 365 00:19:01,208 --> 00:19:03,410 of all had just come true. 366 00:19:03,410 --> 00:19:05,678 The enslaved were now free. 367 00:19:07,146 --> 00:19:10,950 Not only that, but black men could also vote 368 00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:13,953 just as the vengeful north took away the right to vote 369 00:19:13,953 --> 00:19:17,390 for those that supported the Confederacy. 370 00:19:21,328 --> 00:19:24,731 Like the Jacobites in Scotland a hundred years earlier, 371 00:19:24,731 --> 00:19:27,967 the southern whites had lost everything 372 00:19:27,967 --> 00:19:31,971 but now they too had a lost cause to believe in. 373 00:19:38,878 --> 00:19:42,081 That lost cause found its footing here 374 00:19:42,081 --> 00:19:46,018 in the neat streets of Pulaski in Tennessee. 375 00:19:46,018 --> 00:19:50,022 This is where things first started to turn ugly. 376 00:19:51,424 --> 00:19:54,160 I've come to meet local historian Bob Wamble 377 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,496 to find out what happened in the town 378 00:19:56,496 --> 00:19:59,466 after the end of the Civil War. 379 00:19:59,466 --> 00:20:02,335 Bob, when the war was over and the soldiers came back 380 00:20:02,335 --> 00:20:05,204 what did they find here in Pulaski? 381 00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:08,174 - Right here in town where we are, 382 00:20:08,174 --> 00:20:10,810 they found a courthouse and that was pretty much it. 383 00:20:10,810 --> 00:20:14,347 This entire side of the square was burned to the ground. 384 00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:18,718 It was done by Union soldiers that were stationed here. 385 00:20:18,718 --> 00:20:20,052 There were all these Confederate soldiers 386 00:20:20,052 --> 00:20:22,255 that came home and had nothing. 387 00:20:22,255 --> 00:20:24,757 If they had owned a business before the war 388 00:20:24,757 --> 00:20:27,126 it was gone, it was burnt to the ground. 389 00:20:27,126 --> 00:20:30,196 They had no government, they had no law really. 390 00:20:30,196 --> 00:20:33,366 Anybody that had supported the Confederacy couldn't vote. 391 00:20:33,366 --> 00:20:36,035 Any law that was here, they didn't have a part of it. 392 00:20:36,035 --> 00:20:38,571 - [Host] So they were effectively aliens in their own town. 393 00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:40,740 - [Bob] Yes, this was their home 394 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:43,310 but it wasn't their government. 395 00:20:51,684 --> 00:20:53,219 - The destruction here was typical 396 00:20:53,219 --> 00:20:55,788 of many towns in the south but this town 397 00:20:55,788 --> 00:20:59,692 has a claim to fame that it would rather forget. 398 00:20:59,692 --> 00:21:01,994 One group of former Confederate officers 399 00:21:01,994 --> 00:21:03,796 bold and fearful of the future 400 00:21:03,796 --> 00:21:05,665 now that black man had the vote, 401 00:21:05,665 --> 00:21:09,268 set up a secret fraternal society. 402 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:10,470 They drew on ancient Greek 403 00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:13,640 and their Scottish heritage for the name. 404 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,309 They called it the Ku Klux Klan. 405 00:21:19,846 --> 00:21:23,716 - This is the spot where the Klan was formed. 406 00:21:23,716 --> 00:21:26,218 The Ku Klux Klan was six young men, 407 00:21:26,218 --> 00:21:28,821 met right here in this office 408 00:21:28,821 --> 00:21:31,691 and decided that they wanted to form an organization. 409 00:21:31,691 --> 00:21:34,594 This is a plaque showing this to people of Pulaski 410 00:21:34,594 --> 00:21:37,497 and they were proud of the Ku Klux Klan. 411 00:21:37,497 --> 00:21:39,632 The plaque is turned backwards. 412 00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:41,934 About probably 20, 25 years ago ... 413 00:21:41,934 --> 00:21:43,903 - [Host] Oh, it's got its face to the wall now. 414 00:21:43,903 --> 00:21:45,572 - It's face is to the wall. 415 00:21:45,572 --> 00:21:48,174 The man that owned this building turned it around like that. 416 00:21:48,174 --> 00:21:50,543 - So what's on the other side of the plaque? 417 00:21:50,543 --> 00:21:53,646 - Well it lists the names of the young men 418 00:21:53,646 --> 00:21:55,448 that formed the Ku Klux Klan. 419 00:21:55,448 --> 00:21:58,685 I have a copy of it right here. 420 00:21:58,685 --> 00:22:00,252 - [Host] These are the key players. 421 00:22:00,252 --> 00:22:02,589 - Alvin Jones, John B. Kennedy. 422 00:22:02,589 --> 00:22:05,592 - Frank O. McCord, John C. Lester, 423 00:22:05,592 --> 00:22:09,261 Richard R. Reed and James R. Crowe. 424 00:22:09,261 --> 00:22:10,797 - They were all Confederate soldiers 425 00:22:10,797 --> 00:22:13,700 that had just come home just really 426 00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:15,267 didn't have anything better to do 427 00:22:15,267 --> 00:22:19,506 than to form an organization just for amusement. 428 00:22:19,506 --> 00:22:21,741 They played their musical instruments 429 00:22:21,741 --> 00:22:25,344 and sang songs and went out and serenaded the girls. 430 00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:27,480 They were out hunting all the pretty girls of Pulaski. 431 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,783 - [Host] Is that really all it was in its first form? 432 00:22:30,783 --> 00:22:34,353 - Its very first stages, that's all it was. 433 00:22:38,491 --> 00:22:40,893 - This photograph, discovered by Bob, 434 00:22:40,893 --> 00:22:42,862 is thought to show Frank McCord 435 00:22:42,862 --> 00:22:45,698 and the rest of the original Klan. 436 00:22:47,066 --> 00:22:49,669 It was John B. Kennedy who apparently suggested 437 00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:51,838 that they should call themselves a clan 438 00:22:51,838 --> 00:22:55,408 as they were all of Scotch Irish descent. 439 00:22:55,408 --> 00:22:56,976 Some of them were educated obviously 440 00:22:56,976 --> 00:23:00,480 because the drawing on Greek, kuklos is a circle 441 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,882 and a clan is a family group 442 00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:07,053 that shares some kind of blood or a name, a surname. 443 00:23:08,488 --> 00:23:09,989 I think there's an intention there 444 00:23:09,989 --> 00:23:12,925 to declare yourself as a group 445 00:23:12,925 --> 00:23:17,096 that will stand shoulder to shoulder against outsiders. 446 00:23:23,202 --> 00:23:25,805 Pulaski has another revelation. 447 00:23:26,739 --> 00:23:28,340 Tucked behind this store front 448 00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:31,010 is a small scale opera house. 449 00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:32,945 A good place, it seems, to understand 450 00:23:32,945 --> 00:23:37,450 how the Klan moved from make believe to reality 451 00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:41,621 according to author and academic Elaine Frantz Parsons. 452 00:23:42,622 --> 00:23:44,457 Amazing, look at that. 453 00:23:45,892 --> 00:23:48,695 - [Elaine] For a town this size, it is impressive. 454 00:23:48,695 --> 00:23:52,632 - [Host] Created in 1867, almost exactly the same time 455 00:23:52,632 --> 00:23:56,435 as the Klan, this theater gives us a fascinating insight 456 00:23:56,435 --> 00:23:59,038 into what might have influenced them. 457 00:23:59,038 --> 00:24:01,307 - They're trying to figure out who they are 458 00:24:01,307 --> 00:24:04,176 and they're really interested particularly in culture. 459 00:24:04,176 --> 00:24:05,545 They don't have power anymore. 460 00:24:05,545 --> 00:24:07,680 They don't have politics but maybe 461 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,449 they can keep culture or they can create a culture 462 00:24:10,449 --> 00:24:12,051 that means something. 463 00:24:12,051 --> 00:24:13,753 Particularly pretending they were in a different time 464 00:24:13,753 --> 00:24:16,989 and place pretending they were in the world 465 00:24:16,989 --> 00:24:21,027 of Sir Walter Scott I think was very attractive. 466 00:24:21,027 --> 00:24:22,228 - Just a couple of years after the war, 467 00:24:22,228 --> 00:24:25,264 they embark on this and it's all 468 00:24:25,264 --> 00:24:27,066 about theatrical and make believe. 469 00:24:27,066 --> 00:24:29,869 Was that in forming the Klan as well? 470 00:24:29,869 --> 00:24:32,071 Was it about the costumes and pretend? 471 00:24:32,071 --> 00:24:33,372 - Yeah, I think that's a really good way 472 00:24:33,372 --> 00:24:35,007 to think about it actually, 473 00:24:35,007 --> 00:24:37,910 that the world, the real world, wasn't something 474 00:24:37,910 --> 00:24:41,380 that they necessarily wanted to spend a lot of time in. 475 00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:43,516 I think that part of what happened 476 00:24:43,516 --> 00:24:46,085 is that they realized that this play 477 00:24:46,085 --> 00:24:49,155 that they were doing could be brought to bare 478 00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:51,824 on this competition, this problem 479 00:24:51,824 --> 00:24:55,828 that they were having with black claims to rights. 480 00:24:55,828 --> 00:24:57,263 If you were in the 19th century 481 00:24:57,263 --> 00:24:59,131 and you're going to the theater, 482 00:24:59,131 --> 00:25:01,400 a lot of the time you were going to a minstrel show 483 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,835 and the minstrel show wasn't all 484 00:25:02,835 --> 00:25:04,604 about making fun of black people 485 00:25:04,604 --> 00:25:07,239 but that was an important part of the minstrel show 486 00:25:07,239 --> 00:25:10,242 and so part of what the Klan wanted to do 487 00:25:10,242 --> 00:25:13,379 was to force black people into situations 488 00:25:13,379 --> 00:25:16,048 where they looked ludicrous or ridiculous 489 00:25:16,048 --> 00:25:17,550 and what better way to do that 490 00:25:17,550 --> 00:25:19,852 than pretend like you're a monster 491 00:25:19,852 --> 00:25:22,689 and attack them and then tell everybody 492 00:25:22,689 --> 00:25:24,957 how scared they were by this monster. 493 00:25:24,957 --> 00:25:28,961 - What flicks the switch from it being make believe, 494 00:25:28,961 --> 00:25:33,299 harmless, costumes, music, what flicks the switch 495 00:25:33,299 --> 00:25:35,301 and turns it into something sinister? 496 00:25:35,301 --> 00:25:38,470 - We know that Frank McCord was trying 497 00:25:39,572 --> 00:25:41,774 to get up a mob during the time 498 00:25:41,774 --> 00:25:44,210 that the Klan seemed to have nothing to do with it, 499 00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:47,614 he is also interested in racial violence. 500 00:25:49,616 --> 00:25:52,118 - The Klan soon moved on from theatricalities 501 00:25:52,118 --> 00:25:54,453 and threats, it became more violent 502 00:25:54,453 --> 00:25:56,823 and better organized. 503 00:25:56,823 --> 00:25:59,225 At the nearby state museum in Nashville, 504 00:25:59,225 --> 00:26:00,793 they have one of the few remaining documents 505 00:26:00,793 --> 00:26:02,361 from that time. 506 00:26:02,361 --> 00:26:06,298 What is in effect the Klan's constitution. 507 00:26:06,298 --> 00:26:09,669 It's a tiny little sliver of a thing. 508 00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:13,072 - So this is one of the few remaining copies 509 00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:17,076 of what was the constitution of the Ku Klux Klan 510 00:26:18,477 --> 00:26:21,580 and you'll see at the front this is the constitution 511 00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,783 which they called the prescript. 512 00:26:23,783 --> 00:26:25,718 The prescript of the star, star, star 513 00:26:25,718 --> 00:26:29,321 which is what they used to stand for Ku Klux Klan. 514 00:26:29,321 --> 00:26:31,824 Then you have some Shakespearean verse 515 00:26:31,824 --> 00:26:35,227 and then down here we have Burns 516 00:26:35,227 --> 00:26:38,798 so you can see the Scottish influence here. 517 00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:43,870 - And then the Burns is about a certain ghoul, 518 00:26:43,870 --> 00:26:46,773 a certain ghost is around and drinking. 519 00:26:46,773 --> 00:26:49,608 We'll send him linking to your black pit 520 00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:51,778 but faith he'll turn a corner jinking 521 00:26:51,778 --> 00:26:53,345 and cheat you yet. 522 00:26:53,345 --> 00:26:55,848 So both are about things macabre. 523 00:26:55,848 --> 00:26:58,317 - Yes, but they're also high culture. 524 00:26:58,317 --> 00:27:01,587 They're saying we aren't just a bunch of hayseeds. 525 00:27:01,587 --> 00:27:03,089 - It makes you wonder what Robert Burns himself 526 00:27:03,089 --> 00:27:04,356 would have thought had he known 527 00:27:04,356 --> 00:27:05,692 that some of his verse was gonna be included 528 00:27:05,692 --> 00:27:07,493 in such a document. 529 00:27:07,493 --> 00:27:09,729 You know the man that rights a man's a man for all that 530 00:27:09,729 --> 00:27:12,098 to then find one of his verses 531 00:27:12,098 --> 00:27:15,434 publicizing the aspirations of a society 532 00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:19,305 like the Ku Klux Klan. 533 00:27:21,373 --> 00:27:24,210 The Klan now had rules and roles. 534 00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:26,578 It had become a serious organization, 535 00:27:26,578 --> 00:27:29,481 an invisible army dedicated to reestablishing 536 00:27:29,481 --> 00:27:32,251 the status of the southern whites 537 00:27:35,521 --> 00:27:37,924 and this is what the Klan looked like. 538 00:27:37,924 --> 00:27:39,726 This is an exact replica of one 539 00:27:39,726 --> 00:27:43,830 of the original outfits they wore in Pulaski. 540 00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:46,766 You can see how frightening that would be 541 00:27:46,766 --> 00:27:48,768 if somebody appeared out of the dark 542 00:27:48,768 --> 00:27:50,236 dressed like that. 543 00:27:50,236 --> 00:27:52,404 - Absolutely terrifying. 544 00:27:52,404 --> 00:27:54,673 It's important to note these were not uniforms. 545 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:56,308 These were costumes. 546 00:27:56,308 --> 00:27:57,910 These are expressing a cultural thing. 547 00:27:57,910 --> 00:27:59,879 They're not expressing that they're, 548 00:27:59,879 --> 00:28:02,949 it's not an army-like uniform. 549 00:28:02,949 --> 00:28:05,051 This is a very chaotic mask. 550 00:28:05,051 --> 00:28:08,620 Maybe this colorful thread up here, 551 00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:12,191 this red thread used to put this black eyebrow on, 552 00:28:12,191 --> 00:28:14,226 that seems like it's deliberate, right, 553 00:28:14,226 --> 00:28:17,396 you're meant to see how sloppily made this was. 554 00:28:17,396 --> 00:28:18,664 - Imagine if you opened your front door 555 00:28:18,664 --> 00:28:19,999 and that character was standing there 556 00:28:19,999 --> 00:28:22,468 brandishing a weapon or whatever. 557 00:28:22,468 --> 00:28:25,237 - Yeah, no, it's very terrifying. 558 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:41,821 - In Pulaski, the Klan became increasingly popular 559 00:28:41,821 --> 00:28:43,522 with the white population. 560 00:28:43,522 --> 00:28:46,725 News spread, especially as Frank McCord's brother 561 00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:50,462 ran the local newspaper, The Pulaski Citizen. 562 00:28:51,563 --> 00:28:53,332 The stories printed in the Citizen 563 00:28:53,332 --> 00:28:55,301 helped publicize the Klan 564 00:28:55,301 --> 00:28:57,436 and reassured the white population 565 00:28:57,436 --> 00:28:59,171 that something was being done 566 00:28:59,171 --> 00:29:03,242 to keep the former slaves in their place. 567 00:29:03,242 --> 00:29:05,677 Many potential black voters received crude 568 00:29:05,677 --> 00:29:08,347 and menacing messages like this letter 569 00:29:08,347 --> 00:29:12,518 from a Ku Klux ghost ordering them which way to vote. 570 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:17,156 Other copycat Klans were soon formed 571 00:29:17,156 --> 00:29:19,491 by more bored and better southerners 572 00:29:19,491 --> 00:29:22,394 in nearby states only now, 573 00:29:22,394 --> 00:29:26,966 the theatricalities had turned very ugly indeed. 574 00:29:26,966 --> 00:29:29,401 - Groups of white men would come out 575 00:29:29,401 --> 00:29:32,238 in the evening to a home, a cabin, 576 00:29:33,539 --> 00:29:35,507 and find the man of the house there, 577 00:29:35,507 --> 00:29:38,077 take him from his home, and then 578 00:29:38,077 --> 00:29:40,346 they would either whip them to try 579 00:29:40,346 --> 00:29:42,882 to tell them to change their behavior, 580 00:29:42,882 --> 00:29:45,651 to punish them for something that they had apparently done, 581 00:29:45,651 --> 00:29:47,820 or they would kill that person. 582 00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:49,521 Kill them either by shooting them 583 00:29:49,521 --> 00:29:51,123 or by hanging them. 584 00:29:54,026 --> 00:29:55,727 What happened when the Klan spread 585 00:29:55,727 --> 00:29:58,898 was that existing white on black violence 586 00:29:58,898 --> 00:30:02,801 which was pervasive throughout the south already, 587 00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:06,172 that that comes to be called Klan violence 588 00:30:06,172 --> 00:30:09,475 and when it comes to be called Klan violence 589 00:30:09,475 --> 00:30:10,642 it gets worse. 590 00:30:11,743 --> 00:30:13,645 People have an additional impetus, 591 00:30:13,645 --> 00:30:16,048 they feel like they're part of a collective project. 592 00:30:16,048 --> 00:30:18,350 They're doing something for the south. 593 00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:21,854 They're not just some guy attacking their black neighbor 594 00:30:21,854 --> 00:30:24,957 who's competing with them for property rights. 595 00:30:24,957 --> 00:30:27,793 They are now a Klans or a Ku Klux. 596 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,335 - By the late 1860's, a reign of terror 597 00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:40,506 existed throughout much of the former Confederacy. 598 00:30:50,682 --> 00:30:52,384 By the time the federal government 599 00:30:52,384 --> 00:30:55,154 had brought in legislation against the Klan, 600 00:30:55,154 --> 00:30:58,190 much of the groups work had already been done. 601 00:30:58,190 --> 00:31:02,128 Violence had successfully kept most blacks from the polls 602 00:31:02,128 --> 00:31:04,796 and the few that had taken up any civic office 603 00:31:04,796 --> 00:31:08,234 had already been brutally beaten or hung. 604 00:31:14,806 --> 00:31:17,910 With the black population now successfully terrorized, 605 00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:19,912 white state government brought in laws 606 00:31:19,912 --> 00:31:22,081 that segregated the races. 607 00:31:25,017 --> 00:31:27,954 They were mockingly known as Jim Crow laws 608 00:31:27,954 --> 00:31:31,523 after a black character in a minstrel show. 609 00:31:34,226 --> 00:31:37,663 Now, living separate lives, the white population 610 00:31:37,663 --> 00:31:39,831 of the southern states relaxed, 611 00:31:39,831 --> 00:31:43,102 less fearful of those who were not them 612 00:31:44,270 --> 00:31:47,406 except the fear never really went away. 613 00:31:56,048 --> 00:31:59,585 This is Atlanta, now the bustling modern business hub 614 00:31:59,585 --> 00:32:01,020 of the deep south. 615 00:32:02,188 --> 00:32:04,690 In the early 1900's, it was also the place 616 00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:07,659 where the Klan was reborn. 617 00:32:07,659 --> 00:32:10,029 We might never have heard from the Klan again 618 00:32:10,029 --> 00:32:13,432 but for the efforts of one man, Thomas Dixon. 619 00:32:13,432 --> 00:32:14,866 He wrote this book. 620 00:32:14,866 --> 00:32:17,970 It published in 1905 and in it, 621 00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:20,572 he transformed the members of the Klan 622 00:32:20,572 --> 00:32:22,741 from villains into heroes. 623 00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:26,578 Dixon was born in North Carolina. 624 00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:30,949 The son of a Scotch minister and plantation owner. 625 00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:33,752 He went on to become a southern Baptist minister, 626 00:32:33,752 --> 00:32:35,354 lawyer, and author. 627 00:32:38,057 --> 00:32:42,228 His novel was called The Clansman and it was a big seller. 628 00:32:43,662 --> 00:32:47,733 It was subtitled An Historical Romance of the Ku Klux Klan 629 00:32:49,201 --> 00:32:53,305 and it imagined a future where the racial divide is reverse 630 00:32:54,506 --> 00:32:57,776 and it is the white man that is in chains. 631 00:32:59,611 --> 00:33:01,313 Now I'm sure if you were to take the time 632 00:33:01,313 --> 00:33:03,449 to weave through this tome, you would agree 633 00:33:03,449 --> 00:33:05,951 that it's pretty dreadful. 634 00:33:05,951 --> 00:33:08,354 I offer you part of one chapter 635 00:33:08,354 --> 00:33:12,524 in which Dixon imagines a future for America 636 00:33:12,524 --> 00:33:15,661 in which the black man is in charge. 637 00:33:15,661 --> 00:33:17,796 As he passed inside the doors of the house 638 00:33:17,796 --> 00:33:21,067 of representatives, the rush of foul air staggered him. 639 00:33:21,067 --> 00:33:22,834 The hall was packed with negroes 640 00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:26,672 smoking, chewing, jabbering, pushing, perspiring. 641 00:33:26,672 --> 00:33:29,141 The doctor surveyed the hall in dismay. 642 00:33:29,141 --> 00:33:31,810 At first, not a white member was visible. 643 00:33:31,810 --> 00:33:33,779 The galleries were packed with negroes. 644 00:33:33,779 --> 00:33:35,847 The speaker presiding was a negro. 645 00:33:35,847 --> 00:33:37,449 The clerk, a negro. 646 00:33:37,449 --> 00:33:39,185 The doorkeepers, negroes. 647 00:33:39,185 --> 00:33:42,454 The little pages all coal black negroes. 648 00:33:42,454 --> 00:33:44,290 The remains of aryan civilization 649 00:33:44,290 --> 00:33:47,025 were represented by 23 white men 650 00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:50,028 from the Scotch Irish hill counties. 651 00:33:54,366 --> 00:33:55,767 When the book was published, 652 00:33:55,767 --> 00:33:57,869 it caused a literary explosion 653 00:33:57,869 --> 00:34:00,406 and when it transferred to the stage as a play 654 00:34:00,406 --> 00:34:03,542 it provoked riots, not just in this city 655 00:34:03,542 --> 00:34:05,444 but all across America. 656 00:34:09,248 --> 00:34:11,483 When the play premiered at the Grand Opera House 657 00:34:11,483 --> 00:34:14,386 here in Atlanta in October of 1905, 658 00:34:14,386 --> 00:34:17,823 the segregated audience went wild. 659 00:34:17,823 --> 00:34:20,359 Tom Rice has studied what happened. 660 00:34:20,359 --> 00:34:22,594 - The reports stressed that the house lights 661 00:34:22,594 --> 00:34:25,364 were kept on, that the sell of soda bottles 662 00:34:25,364 --> 00:34:26,865 was prohibited because they were worried 663 00:34:26,865 --> 00:34:30,202 they were gonna get hurled around the theater. 664 00:34:30,202 --> 00:34:33,605 Absolutely had tapped into this culture 665 00:34:33,605 --> 00:34:37,109 of fear, these anxieties about racial integration 666 00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:40,246 and race relations that were really prevalent 667 00:34:40,246 --> 00:34:44,216 in Atlanta and across the south at this moment. 668 00:34:44,216 --> 00:34:46,118 - [Host] Dixon took his Scottish heritage 669 00:34:46,118 --> 00:34:48,086 and paraded it in his work. 670 00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:50,156 Inside the front cover of his novel, 671 00:34:50,156 --> 00:34:52,191 the dedication reads to the memory 672 00:34:52,191 --> 00:34:54,626 of a Scotch Irish leader of the south, 673 00:34:54,626 --> 00:34:57,363 my uncle, Colonel Leroy McAfee, 674 00:34:57,363 --> 00:35:01,400 grand titan of the invisible empire, Ku Klux Klan 675 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,371 and it's not the only reference to a Scottish past. 676 00:35:05,371 --> 00:35:07,072 - Clearly the title The Clansman 677 00:35:07,072 --> 00:35:09,708 does make a connection with the Scottish roots here. 678 00:35:09,708 --> 00:35:11,277 We can see it even in the title 679 00:35:11,277 --> 00:35:13,679 of the main family here, the Cameron's. 680 00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:15,181 It was settled by the Scotch folk 681 00:35:15,181 --> 00:35:16,682 who came from the north of Ireland, 682 00:35:16,682 --> 00:35:19,751 the great migrations which gave America 300,000 people 683 00:35:19,751 --> 00:35:21,487 of covenants and martyr blood, 684 00:35:21,487 --> 00:35:23,088 the largest and most important addition 685 00:35:23,088 --> 00:35:24,323 to our population. 686 00:35:24,323 --> 00:35:26,625 He's really thinking about the makeup 687 00:35:26,625 --> 00:35:29,561 of the American south and of this area 688 00:35:29,561 --> 00:35:31,763 but internal so of the Klan, 689 00:35:31,763 --> 00:35:34,433 of what would create the Ku Klux Klan here. 690 00:35:34,433 --> 00:35:36,668 High above his head in the darkness of the cave, 691 00:35:36,668 --> 00:35:38,570 he lifted the blazing emblem. 692 00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:40,906 The fiery cross of old Scotland's hill. 693 00:35:40,906 --> 00:35:43,242 I quench its flames in the sweetest blood 694 00:35:43,242 --> 00:35:45,944 that ever stained the sands of time. 695 00:35:45,944 --> 00:35:47,246 And here we've got the fiery cross. 696 00:35:47,246 --> 00:35:49,915 This is not a feature of the original Klan. 697 00:35:49,915 --> 00:35:52,017 It's created here by Dixon. 698 00:35:52,017 --> 00:35:55,454 It would become one of the most identifiable symbols 699 00:35:55,454 --> 00:35:58,390 of race hatred, of the Ku Klux Klan 700 00:35:59,625 --> 00:36:02,261 and it's still today widely identified 701 00:36:02,261 --> 00:36:04,963 with the Klan and here he's saying, 702 00:36:04,963 --> 00:36:07,098 this is the fiery cross of old Scotland's hills. 703 00:36:07,098 --> 00:36:11,270 It's creating a history and a heritage for this here. 704 00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:15,907 - The full impact of Dixon's novel 705 00:36:15,907 --> 00:36:18,510 was felt much more widely when 10 years 706 00:36:18,510 --> 00:36:21,780 after its publication it was released as a film 707 00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:24,950 touted then and still lauded now 708 00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:26,885 as an epic of its time. 709 00:36:30,222 --> 00:36:32,057 The Birth of a Nation directed 710 00:36:32,057 --> 00:36:34,560 by Hollywood superstar D.W. Griffith 711 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,563 let Dixon's work reach a much bigger audience 712 00:36:37,563 --> 00:36:39,631 and it was a massive hit. 713 00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:44,102 The budget was huge and the direction 714 00:36:44,102 --> 00:36:46,204 was groundbreaking but the story 715 00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:48,707 was as racist as Dixon's book. 716 00:36:59,351 --> 00:37:01,653 Charlene Regester is a film academic 717 00:37:01,653 --> 00:37:04,022 and remembers her first reaction. 718 00:37:04,022 --> 00:37:07,058 - I saw Birth of a Nation when I was a graduate student. 719 00:37:07,058 --> 00:37:08,794 Of course some of the scenes that we saw 720 00:37:08,794 --> 00:37:11,229 were very inflammatory. 721 00:37:11,229 --> 00:37:14,065 They showed us alleged rape scene. 722 00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:19,438 The scene where Gus is chasing the woman 723 00:37:19,438 --> 00:37:23,108 who jumps off the cliff onto the ground 724 00:37:23,108 --> 00:37:25,844 and so it was very offensive then 725 00:37:27,045 --> 00:37:29,981 and it's probably still equally offensive today. 726 00:37:29,981 --> 00:37:32,518 It was a racially incisive story 727 00:37:32,518 --> 00:37:34,486 and it was about black male predators, 728 00:37:34,486 --> 00:37:38,056 black male racists, it was about miscegenation 729 00:37:38,056 --> 00:37:39,958 and it was about the Ku Klux Klan 730 00:37:39,958 --> 00:37:42,694 rescuing the south and white supremacy 731 00:37:42,694 --> 00:37:45,931 and I think all of the variables together 732 00:37:45,931 --> 00:37:47,999 is what made it so volatile. 733 00:37:47,999 --> 00:37:52,170 - Did the film work as a PR exercising for the Klan? 734 00:37:53,939 --> 00:37:56,174 - It certainly made them almost appear 735 00:37:56,174 --> 00:37:58,243 as though they're heroic and also 736 00:37:58,243 --> 00:38:00,078 at the end of the film they have one 737 00:38:00,078 --> 00:38:04,182 of the white characters who unveils as a Klan member. 738 00:38:05,751 --> 00:38:07,619 They're making them look like they're the saviors 739 00:38:07,619 --> 00:38:10,489 of the day, they saved the south, 740 00:38:10,489 --> 00:38:14,660 and certainly coincided with the rise of the Ku Klux Klan. 741 00:38:17,963 --> 00:38:20,031 I think it glamorized the Klan 742 00:38:20,031 --> 00:38:23,602 and made it a desirable organization to belong to 743 00:38:23,602 --> 00:38:27,038 as a way of restoring order and I guess 744 00:38:27,038 --> 00:38:30,542 of instituting white supremacy nationwide. 745 00:38:34,279 --> 00:38:37,449 - [Host] Just outside Atlanta, soaring out of the landscape 746 00:38:37,449 --> 00:38:41,252 is a curious monolith called Stone Mountain. 747 00:38:41,252 --> 00:38:43,555 Carved on its side is a vast memorial 748 00:38:43,555 --> 00:38:47,225 to the Confederate leaders of the Civil War. 749 00:38:49,628 --> 00:38:51,162 - [Tour Host] Alright everybody. 750 00:38:51,162 --> 00:38:53,999 Now the mountaintop would be about 350 million years old. 751 00:38:53,999 --> 00:38:55,333 Only a very small portion 752 00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:58,103 of the mountain's actually visible. 753 00:38:58,103 --> 00:39:00,706 - But long before the carving was completed, 754 00:39:00,706 --> 00:39:02,608 people came here to pay homage 755 00:39:02,608 --> 00:39:04,342 to something that happened directly 756 00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:06,945 as a result of Griffith's film. 757 00:39:08,980 --> 00:39:11,883 It turns out that that film was a revelation 758 00:39:11,883 --> 00:39:14,986 for at least one cinema goer. 759 00:39:14,986 --> 00:39:16,888 It was a Methodist preacher and his name 760 00:39:16,888 --> 00:39:18,757 was William Joseph Simmons and he took all 761 00:39:18,757 --> 00:39:20,225 he'd seen and heard and he brought it here 762 00:39:20,225 --> 00:39:22,394 to this mountaintop. 763 00:39:22,394 --> 00:39:23,895 He was accompanied that day, 764 00:39:23,895 --> 00:39:26,498 the eve of Thanksgiving in 1915 765 00:39:26,498 --> 00:39:28,967 with 15 like minded souls and they had come 766 00:39:28,967 --> 00:39:30,869 for a bizarre ceremony. 767 00:39:32,037 --> 00:39:33,304 What they wanted to do first of all 768 00:39:33,304 --> 00:39:35,841 was to build an altar. 769 00:39:35,841 --> 00:39:38,410 Once it was built, Simmons placed three things 770 00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:39,911 on that altar. 771 00:39:39,911 --> 00:39:44,015 An American flag, a bible, and a sword unsheathed. 772 00:39:45,417 --> 00:39:49,555 Then, he set fire to a crudely made wooden cross. 773 00:39:49,555 --> 00:39:52,190 At that moment, he declared himself to be, 774 00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:56,728 get this, the imperial wizard of the invisible empire 775 00:39:56,728 --> 00:39:59,931 of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. 776 00:39:59,931 --> 00:40:04,102 The KKK was back but this time the Klan would be different. 777 00:40:05,504 --> 00:40:09,040 It would be political, it would be obsessed with power, 778 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,811 and most significantly of all, it would be big. 779 00:40:12,811 --> 00:40:14,079 Very, very big. 780 00:40:17,315 --> 00:40:19,050 And with changing immigration, 781 00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:21,820 the Klan now had a whole new range of targets 782 00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:25,223 they thought threatened the lives of southern people. 783 00:40:25,223 --> 00:40:28,660 The new Klan's focus wasn't just on black people. 784 00:40:28,660 --> 00:40:31,296 Jews, Catholics, and Mexicans also 785 00:40:31,296 --> 00:40:34,232 became targets of the organization. 786 00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:41,306 To get an insight into this second Klan, 787 00:40:41,306 --> 00:40:44,510 I've come to the small estate of author William Rawlings 788 00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:48,580 just outside the town of Sandersville in Georgia. 789 00:40:51,049 --> 00:40:54,085 - The Klan's mantra at this time, 790 00:40:54,085 --> 00:40:56,321 its recruiting mantra can be summed up 791 00:40:56,321 --> 00:40:58,824 as being 100% Americanism. 792 00:40:58,824 --> 00:41:01,493 Support of the constitution, just laws, 793 00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:03,261 anti-immigration. 794 00:41:03,261 --> 00:41:05,764 People that joined the Klan during the early 1920's 795 00:41:05,764 --> 00:41:08,199 joined not because they had some agenda 796 00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,669 but because the message of the Klan was one 797 00:41:10,669 --> 00:41:12,470 we want to do the good thing for America. 798 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,139 We want to perhaps keep this immigrants out, 799 00:41:14,139 --> 00:41:16,542 these Chinese in California, these Mexicans 800 00:41:16,542 --> 00:41:18,476 on the border states. 801 00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:21,980 - [Host] But the new Klan was as oppressive as the first. 802 00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:25,050 - Say you live in a town and the Klan is in the town 803 00:41:25,050 --> 00:41:26,552 and you don't know who the members are 804 00:41:26,552 --> 00:41:29,020 but they may be your best friends and they may not be. 805 00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:30,789 You don't know if the policeman on the corner's 806 00:41:30,789 --> 00:41:32,057 a member of the Klan or perhaps 807 00:41:32,057 --> 00:41:33,625 your minister's a member of the Klan 808 00:41:33,625 --> 00:41:35,761 and they liked it that way. 809 00:41:35,761 --> 00:41:37,663 They could go to a merchant for example and say 810 00:41:37,663 --> 00:41:39,030 you know, we're the Klan, we can tell people 811 00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:41,099 not to trade with you and the merchant 812 00:41:41,099 --> 00:41:43,101 would say gee, I better support the Klan. 813 00:41:43,101 --> 00:41:45,270 You never knew how many people were members of the Klan 814 00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:48,073 and once they developed the reputation 815 00:41:48,073 --> 00:41:50,441 for not only intimidation but action 816 00:41:50,441 --> 00:41:52,010 then frequently all they had to do 817 00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:54,946 was simply say we're watching you 818 00:41:54,946 --> 00:41:57,683 and that was all that was needed. 819 00:41:57,683 --> 00:41:58,984 - [Host] Clan violence directly 820 00:41:58,984 --> 00:42:01,987 effected William Rawling's family. 821 00:42:01,987 --> 00:42:04,422 Although they had owned a slave plantation 822 00:42:04,422 --> 00:42:07,693 everyone was a potential target. 823 00:42:07,693 --> 00:42:10,696 - My family had an unfortunate experience with the Klan. 824 00:42:10,696 --> 00:42:13,599 Uncle Charlie was a bit of a philanderer. 825 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:15,000 I guess that's the best way to say it. 826 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,368 Not only did he have his girlfriends, 827 00:42:17,368 --> 00:42:19,705 his interest also crossed racial lines 828 00:42:19,705 --> 00:42:23,441 and he sired a number of mixed race children 829 00:42:23,441 --> 00:42:27,178 which was not exactly the socially acceptable thing 830 00:42:27,178 --> 00:42:28,647 of the day to do. 831 00:42:28,647 --> 00:42:31,516 He was allegedly, according to family history, 832 00:42:31,516 --> 00:42:33,752 warned by the Klan and when he ignored them 833 00:42:33,752 --> 00:42:35,220 because he was a very wealthy and powerful man, 834 00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:36,955 when he ignored them they simply waylaid him 835 00:42:36,955 --> 00:42:38,056 on a country road. 836 00:42:38,056 --> 00:42:39,257 He had his own chauffeur. 837 00:42:39,257 --> 00:42:41,426 Guy named Hal Hooks, a black man. 838 00:42:41,426 --> 00:42:44,129 They put a tree across the road. 839 00:42:44,129 --> 00:42:45,897 When Hal Hooks went out to move the tree 840 00:42:45,897 --> 00:42:49,267 all of a sudden Klansmen emerged from the forest, 841 00:42:49,267 --> 00:42:51,069 they told Hooks to stand to one side 842 00:42:51,069 --> 00:42:54,505 and they castrated Uncle Charlie. 843 00:42:54,505 --> 00:42:56,007 - Castrated him? 844 00:42:56,007 --> 00:42:57,342 - They castrated him 845 00:42:57,342 --> 00:42:59,077 and he lived the remainder of his life 846 00:42:59,077 --> 00:43:01,346 without part of his anatomy. 847 00:43:03,081 --> 00:43:07,252 * Well nothing is going right this morning 848 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,430 * Oh I guess it's the chains that bind me 849 00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:23,001 * I can't shake them loose 850 00:43:25,704 --> 00:43:28,406 - How big did it get, what was the high point? 851 00:43:28,406 --> 00:43:31,609 - For a very brief period of time, 1924 and 1925, 852 00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:34,079 they were one of the most powerful social 853 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:36,948 and political organizations in the United States. 854 00:43:36,948 --> 00:43:40,652 Around five million members at its peak in 1925. 855 00:43:40,652 --> 00:43:42,587 You know it's a tremendous number of people 856 00:43:42,587 --> 00:43:44,355 that joined the Klan. 857 00:43:45,556 --> 00:43:46,758 Perhaps the high point of the Klan 858 00:43:46,758 --> 00:43:49,360 was the march in August of 1925 859 00:43:50,829 --> 00:43:55,233 where an estimated as many as 150,000 robed Klansmen 860 00:43:55,233 --> 00:43:58,003 marched down Pennsylvania Avenue. 861 00:44:01,106 --> 00:44:03,108 It's a terribly frightening image 862 00:44:03,108 --> 00:44:05,744 to see Pennsylvania Avenue with the capitol dome 863 00:44:05,744 --> 00:44:07,478 in the background and an endless stream 864 00:44:07,478 --> 00:44:11,182 of white robed Klansmen marching down the street. 865 00:44:11,182 --> 00:44:13,852 Is this what America has become? 866 00:44:19,791 --> 00:44:23,428 The Klan of the 1920's failed eventually 867 00:44:23,428 --> 00:44:26,364 because people figured them out. 868 00:44:26,364 --> 00:44:28,066 People began to say you know, these people 869 00:44:28,066 --> 00:44:30,769 are not really what I want America to be. 870 00:44:30,769 --> 00:44:32,838 These people are beating and flogging, 871 00:44:32,838 --> 00:44:35,506 these people are judge, jury, and executioner 872 00:44:35,506 --> 00:44:36,474 rolled into one. 873 00:44:36,474 --> 00:44:37,976 This is not the American way. 874 00:44:37,976 --> 00:44:40,145 We should reject the Klan. 875 00:44:41,813 --> 00:44:44,515 - The Klan may have been rejected 876 00:44:44,515 --> 00:44:48,353 but racial hatred and discrimination remained. 877 00:44:54,359 --> 00:44:57,228 Here is one of the many places in the south 878 00:44:57,228 --> 00:45:00,531 where the law itself was used to discriminate. 879 00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:02,600 This is the former railway terminal building 880 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,702 in Macon, Georgia. 881 00:45:04,702 --> 00:45:06,237 Fantastically impressive building. 882 00:45:06,237 --> 00:45:07,505 Big stone frontage. 883 00:45:07,505 --> 00:45:09,908 Now that's the main entrance down there 884 00:45:09,908 --> 00:45:12,277 with the eagles above it and the pillars. 885 00:45:12,277 --> 00:45:14,345 Off to one side though is a separate entrance 886 00:45:14,345 --> 00:45:16,882 and if you look above the door look what it says. 887 00:45:16,882 --> 00:45:18,416 Colored waiting room. 888 00:45:18,416 --> 00:45:21,853 This is a relic, an artifact of the Jim Crow laws 889 00:45:21,853 --> 00:45:24,856 which were touted as keeping the white people 890 00:45:24,856 --> 00:45:29,027 and the black people of America separate but equal. 891 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,402 The Jim Crow laws reflected the mindset 892 00:45:37,402 --> 00:45:41,406 of those that wanted the races to be separate forever. 893 00:45:41,406 --> 00:45:43,274 They not only mandated the segregation 894 00:45:43,274 --> 00:45:46,277 of colored transport but public schools, 895 00:45:46,277 --> 00:45:49,514 public places, and the segregation of restrooms, 896 00:45:49,514 --> 00:45:52,918 restaurants, and even drinking fountains. 897 00:45:54,285 --> 00:45:57,989 Black and white lived separate but rarely equal lives. 898 00:46:00,725 --> 00:46:03,728 It took until the 1950's for the federal court 899 00:46:03,728 --> 00:46:06,131 to declare that segregation in state schools 900 00:46:06,131 --> 00:46:07,899 was unconstitutional. 901 00:46:09,167 --> 00:46:11,202 The black population celebrated 902 00:46:11,202 --> 00:46:15,273 but the southern states were having none of it. 903 00:46:15,273 --> 00:46:17,976 I'm finishing my journey in America's deep south 904 00:46:17,976 --> 00:46:20,778 here in Alabama, the heart of the fight 905 00:46:20,778 --> 00:46:22,513 against civil rights. 906 00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:28,854 Montgomery, the state capital, became the epicenter 907 00:46:28,854 --> 00:46:33,024 and these steps the backdrop to much of the rhetoric. 908 00:46:35,460 --> 00:46:39,865 - Before the seed of tyranny, and I say segregation now, 909 00:46:39,865 --> 00:46:43,701 segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever. 910 00:46:43,701 --> 00:46:46,771 (cheering) 911 00:46:46,771 --> 00:46:48,573 - [Host] Governor George Wallace spoke 912 00:46:48,573 --> 00:46:52,177 with the mindset of those that elected him. 913 00:46:55,546 --> 00:46:59,317 The Klan, too, raised its costumed head again 914 00:47:00,685 --> 00:47:03,821 and when around 3,000 people attended another rally 915 00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:05,823 at Stone Mountain, it was clear 916 00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:08,426 that the Klan was back in force 917 00:47:08,426 --> 00:47:11,329 for the third time and the tactics, again, 918 00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:12,730 would be violent. 919 00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:16,601 The fight for the soul of the south 920 00:47:16,601 --> 00:47:19,704 came to its ugliest point in the 1960's 921 00:47:19,704 --> 00:47:22,107 in the battle between the civil rights movement 922 00:47:22,107 --> 00:47:23,841 and the Klansmen. 923 00:47:23,841 --> 00:47:26,444 The Klans brazen violence and murders 924 00:47:26,444 --> 00:47:29,647 eventually pushed President Johnson's federal government 925 00:47:29,647 --> 00:47:34,219 to make a full scale assault on the Ku Klux Klan. 926 00:47:34,219 --> 00:47:37,822 - Their loyalty is not to the United States of America 927 00:47:37,822 --> 00:47:41,792 but instead to a hooded society of bigots 928 00:47:41,792 --> 00:47:45,330 so if Klansmen hear my voice today 929 00:47:45,330 --> 00:47:48,499 let it be both an appeal and a warning 930 00:47:50,501 --> 00:47:53,404 to get out of the Ku Klux Klan now. 931 00:47:55,606 --> 00:47:58,776 - Leading members of the Klan were prosecuted by the FBI 932 00:47:58,776 --> 00:48:01,712 and once again, America's most feared hate group 933 00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:03,714 appeared to be defeated. 934 00:48:05,616 --> 00:48:08,686 But despite the success of the civil rights movement, 935 00:48:08,686 --> 00:48:11,923 that southern mindset didn't go away. 936 00:48:11,923 --> 00:48:14,025 It's still with us today. 937 00:48:16,394 --> 00:48:19,097 In the last 50 years, there's been an explosion 938 00:48:19,097 --> 00:48:21,967 of hate groups in America. 939 00:48:21,967 --> 00:48:26,237 In 2015, it was estimated that there were 892 hate groups 940 00:48:26,237 --> 00:48:29,440 in the US including anti-government militias, 941 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,077 neo-nazis, neo-confederates, 942 00:48:32,077 --> 00:48:35,146 and 190 separate Ku Klux Klan groups. 943 00:48:36,948 --> 00:48:38,549 The League of the South is one 944 00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:42,087 that's often described as a hate group. 945 00:48:42,087 --> 00:48:44,222 It advocates rolling back time, 946 00:48:44,222 --> 00:48:46,824 creating a separate southern society 947 00:48:46,824 --> 00:48:49,194 run by Anglo-Celts. 948 00:48:49,194 --> 00:48:51,929 So I've got an email from Dr. Michael Hill, 949 00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:53,431 leader of the League of the South 950 00:48:53,431 --> 00:48:56,634 and he's suggesting meeting at the post office parking lot 951 00:48:56,634 --> 00:48:58,469 in Killen at nine a.m. 952 00:49:02,173 --> 00:49:04,175 I think we have our man. 953 00:49:07,245 --> 00:49:09,814 Dr. Hill, hello, I'm Neal. 954 00:49:09,814 --> 00:49:10,982 - Nice to meet you, sir. 955 00:49:10,982 --> 00:49:12,017 - Nice to meet you too, sir. 956 00:49:12,017 --> 00:49:13,251 - Good to be here. 957 00:49:13,251 --> 00:49:15,920 - Is it okay if we put a microphone on you? 958 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:16,754 - Sure. 959 00:49:17,855 --> 00:49:19,657 I think that's one thing about southerners. 960 00:49:19,657 --> 00:49:21,826 We're known for our hospitality 961 00:49:21,826 --> 00:49:25,796 but we're also very suspicious of outsiders. 962 00:49:25,796 --> 00:49:27,765 Now I'm not suspicious of you folks 963 00:49:27,765 --> 00:49:29,534 because I know where you come from 964 00:49:29,534 --> 00:49:32,470 and I know that basically you and I 965 00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:36,774 come from the same people so it's different 966 00:49:36,774 --> 00:49:39,410 but people come around here from other places 967 00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:41,512 and southerners are not so hospitable 968 00:49:41,512 --> 00:49:43,481 until they get to know you. 969 00:49:43,481 --> 00:49:45,683 - If you're a nationalist, what's your nation? 970 00:49:45,683 --> 00:49:48,053 - My nation is my people. 971 00:49:48,053 --> 00:49:49,287 - [Host] It's not America? 972 00:49:49,287 --> 00:49:50,855 - No, America is not my nation. 973 00:49:50,855 --> 00:49:52,823 - If your nation is family, what is your family? 974 00:49:52,823 --> 00:49:54,559 You mean literally people who are blood. 975 00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:57,462 - Yes, exactly, blood, blood kin. 976 00:49:57,462 --> 00:49:59,730 That is what a nation is. 977 00:49:59,730 --> 00:50:01,866 But you know as well as I do that the Scots 978 00:50:01,866 --> 00:50:04,402 have always been big on fictive kinship. 979 00:50:04,402 --> 00:50:07,805 You're sort of in the clan, in the family. 980 00:50:07,805 --> 00:50:10,141 My family is southern people 981 00:50:11,909 --> 00:50:16,081 and people who are related to us by genetics 982 00:50:16,081 --> 00:50:18,083 back in the old country. 983 00:50:18,083 --> 00:50:19,850 America is not a nation. 984 00:50:19,850 --> 00:50:22,720 America is a multi-cultural empire. 985 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,489 I want nothing to do with it. 986 00:50:24,489 --> 00:50:26,324 It has nothing for me. 987 00:50:32,697 --> 00:50:36,634 - [Host] Is the church shooting at Charleston 988 00:50:36,634 --> 00:50:39,637 an inevitable consequence of that kind of grievance? 989 00:50:39,637 --> 00:50:42,673 - [Michael] I think you just had a disturbed young man. 990 00:50:42,673 --> 00:50:46,144 - He doesn't come from nowhere, though. 991 00:50:46,144 --> 00:50:47,412 He's from a context. 992 00:50:47,412 --> 00:50:49,780 - Sure he's from a context. 993 00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:54,051 The minute I saw that he had a Confederate flag, 994 00:50:54,051 --> 00:50:57,122 I said oh they will take this and use it. 995 00:50:57,122 --> 00:50:59,857 If the left wants to use Dylann Roof 996 00:50:59,857 --> 00:51:03,961 as the archetype of everybody that thinks like I do 997 00:51:05,463 --> 00:51:07,965 then we're gonna have to have fair play on the other side. 998 00:51:07,965 --> 00:51:11,068 Every time a black person kills a white person 999 00:51:11,068 --> 00:51:14,239 we're gonna have to just examine that 1000 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,408 inside and out, why it happened, 1001 00:51:17,408 --> 00:51:21,179 the circumstances, the hatred behind it, 1002 00:51:21,179 --> 00:51:23,381 but it doesn't get done. 1003 00:51:23,381 --> 00:51:24,715 - How likely is it that you're way 1004 00:51:24,715 --> 00:51:27,218 of thinking will come to pass? 1005 00:51:28,286 --> 00:51:30,888 - I'm a realist about this. 1006 00:51:30,888 --> 00:51:32,423 If you look out in the world right now 1007 00:51:32,423 --> 00:51:36,194 you see that the other side looks like they're winning. 1008 00:51:36,194 --> 00:51:38,429 My side will win mainly because 1009 00:51:38,429 --> 00:51:40,898 it is the natural way that human beings 1010 00:51:40,898 --> 00:51:42,500 have always lived. 1011 00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:45,470 This is an anomaly period that we're living in 1012 00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:47,305 and I can see the end of it 1013 00:51:47,305 --> 00:51:48,873 and the pendulum will swing back 1014 00:51:48,873 --> 00:51:51,376 to a more normal type human existence. 1015 00:51:51,376 --> 00:51:54,078 So yeah, I think I'm on the right side 1016 00:51:54,078 --> 00:51:57,148 of not only history but human nature. 1017 00:51:57,148 --> 00:51:58,749 - It seems so pessimistic and depressing 1018 00:51:58,749 --> 00:52:00,551 to me to think that people, given the opportunity 1019 00:52:00,551 --> 00:52:02,887 to create a new world, and that was the expression 1020 00:52:02,887 --> 00:52:05,156 that was in use at the time. 1021 00:52:05,156 --> 00:52:08,226 They came out full of ideas like the pursuit 1022 00:52:08,226 --> 00:52:11,729 of happiness and equality and religious freedom 1023 00:52:11,729 --> 00:52:13,063 and all of that. 1024 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,336 They were part of a world that became a misery 1025 00:52:18,336 --> 00:52:20,405 for millions, I find that just sad. 1026 00:52:20,405 --> 00:52:21,972 - I know, but what does it tell you. 1027 00:52:21,972 --> 00:52:25,009 It tells you that there can be no utopias 1028 00:52:25,009 --> 00:52:27,044 because man is a fallen creature 1029 00:52:27,044 --> 00:52:30,648 and he's always gonna behave like a fallen creature. 1030 00:52:30,648 --> 00:52:33,318 He's always going to fuck it up. 1031 00:52:36,621 --> 00:52:38,088 - I said was there someone who has 1032 00:52:38,088 --> 00:52:42,026 perhaps a naive hope in the brotherhood of mankind, 1033 00:52:44,562 --> 00:52:47,064 if he's right then I just feel 1034 00:52:50,201 --> 00:52:51,836 we're never gonna get anywhere. 1035 00:52:51,836 --> 00:52:55,706 If there was ever an indication that history's alive 1036 00:52:55,706 --> 00:52:58,309 then it's here, a set of events 1037 00:52:59,544 --> 00:53:02,713 unfolded here 200 and odd years ago 1038 00:53:02,713 --> 00:53:05,583 and the consequences of them, the reality 1039 00:53:05,583 --> 00:53:08,419 of the world which created then 1040 00:53:08,419 --> 00:53:10,521 are still 100% here. 1041 00:53:12,022 --> 00:53:15,360 He feels as if we're not going anywhere. 1042 00:53:19,397 --> 00:53:21,332 It's so dispiriting to hear someone 1043 00:53:21,332 --> 00:53:25,002 using my Scottish ancestry in support 1044 00:53:25,002 --> 00:53:28,339 of views that could give rise to hatred. 1045 00:53:29,974 --> 00:53:31,676 I'm heading back to the state capital 1046 00:53:31,676 --> 00:53:35,413 to get a second opinion on Michael Hill's thinking. 1047 00:53:35,413 --> 00:53:38,182 Mark Potok keeps tabs on hate groups 1048 00:53:38,182 --> 00:53:40,551 at the Southern Poverty Law Center 1049 00:53:40,551 --> 00:53:42,019 and he has monitored the development 1050 00:53:42,019 --> 00:53:44,589 of the League of the South for some time. 1051 00:53:44,589 --> 00:53:47,258 I've heard mention of the potential 1052 00:53:47,258 --> 00:53:51,429 for a race war, is that just meaningless hyperbole? 1053 00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:56,200 - Well look, I mean, a race war is the wet dream 1054 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,703 of all of these groups. 1055 00:53:58,703 --> 00:54:01,739 They all expect a race war and many 1056 00:54:01,739 --> 00:54:04,342 of them fervently hope for it. 1057 00:54:04,342 --> 00:54:06,677 That's absolutely common in the Klan 1058 00:54:06,677 --> 00:54:09,280 and in neo-nazi groups and so on. 1059 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,749 What's been surprising is to see the evolution 1060 00:54:11,749 --> 00:54:13,851 of a group like the League of the South. 1061 00:54:13,851 --> 00:54:15,353 Mike Hill wrote a few months ago 1062 00:54:15,353 --> 00:54:19,123 an incredible essay in which he said essentially 1063 00:54:19,123 --> 00:54:21,959 if black people think they wanna have a race war 1064 00:54:21,959 --> 00:54:23,528 let me just warn them right now, 1065 00:54:23,528 --> 00:54:25,963 they're not gonna win that war. 1066 00:54:25,963 --> 00:54:28,533 Hill has also talked to his people 1067 00:54:28,533 --> 00:54:32,537 not merely about how the south is an Anglo-Celtic wonderland 1068 00:54:32,537 --> 00:54:34,004 and all this kind of things and we need 1069 00:54:34,004 --> 00:54:36,741 to protect our culture but about the need 1070 00:54:36,741 --> 00:54:40,244 to buy AK-47's and tools to derail trains. 1071 00:54:43,113 --> 00:54:45,350 Will this ever really come to a race war? 1072 00:54:45,350 --> 00:54:47,585 No, I very much doubt it. 1073 00:54:47,585 --> 00:54:49,320 Are there people out there who desperately 1074 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,721 would like to see it happen? 1075 00:54:50,721 --> 00:54:51,622 Absolutely. 1076 00:54:53,023 --> 00:54:57,495 In the aftermath of the June 2015 Charleston massacre 1077 00:54:57,495 --> 00:55:00,731 by Dylann Roof, there was an enormous backlash 1078 00:55:00,731 --> 00:55:02,967 against the Confederate battle flag 1079 00:55:02,967 --> 00:55:04,702 because Roof, of course, before carrying out 1080 00:55:04,702 --> 00:55:07,104 this mass murder, had taken many pictures 1081 00:55:07,104 --> 00:55:10,575 of himself displaying the Confederate battle flag 1082 00:55:10,575 --> 00:55:14,144 and as a result of that, the flag came under attack. 1083 00:55:14,144 --> 00:55:15,245 The governor of South Carolina 1084 00:55:15,245 --> 00:55:16,847 ordered the Confederate battle flag 1085 00:55:16,847 --> 00:55:19,850 off the grounds of the state capital 1086 00:55:21,018 --> 00:55:22,720 and then there was this incredible, 1087 00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:25,222 very widespread reaction. 1088 00:55:25,222 --> 00:55:27,692 We counted actually, in the six months 1089 00:55:27,692 --> 00:55:30,194 immediately following the Charleston massacre, 1090 00:55:30,194 --> 00:55:33,531 364 pro-Confederate battle flag rallies. 1091 00:55:35,666 --> 00:55:39,336 - Does that rhetoric inform people like Dylann Roof? 1092 00:55:39,336 --> 00:55:41,706 - I don't think Dylann Roof probably even knew 1093 00:55:41,706 --> 00:55:43,808 what the League of the South was 1094 00:55:43,808 --> 00:55:46,043 but did he connect with the kinds of ideas 1095 00:55:46,043 --> 00:55:47,712 that are at the center of the League of the South? 1096 00:55:47,712 --> 00:55:48,646 Absolutely. 1097 00:55:51,281 --> 00:55:53,584 - One of the greatest writers of the south, 1098 00:55:53,584 --> 00:55:55,285 William Faulkner, wrote something 1099 00:55:55,285 --> 00:55:57,788 that seems very apt. 1100 00:55:57,788 --> 00:56:00,257 The past isn't dead and buried. 1101 00:56:00,257 --> 00:56:03,528 It's not even past and that's the point. 1102 00:56:04,929 --> 00:56:07,998 All the people of the south are living with history, 1103 00:56:07,998 --> 00:56:10,868 coping with the consequences of immigration, 1104 00:56:10,868 --> 00:56:14,038 greed, fear, and a sequence of events 1105 00:56:14,038 --> 00:56:18,208 that have turned this place upside down more than once. 1106 00:56:20,411 --> 00:56:22,312 I come to the end of my journey 1107 00:56:22,312 --> 00:56:25,416 at the church where this story began. 1108 00:56:27,618 --> 00:56:30,655 How on Earth do the people who suffered the attacks here 1109 00:56:30,655 --> 00:56:32,690 cope with the horror of the racism 1110 00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:35,192 that has stopped the south since the settlers 1111 00:56:35,192 --> 00:56:36,794 first arrived here. 1112 00:56:38,228 --> 00:56:42,667 - Just with the thought of this interview itself, 1113 00:56:42,667 --> 00:56:45,536 I'm teary eyed to think that this 1114 00:56:45,536 --> 00:56:47,972 is what brought us together 1115 00:56:47,972 --> 00:56:51,175 but yet I'm grateful because it gives me 1116 00:56:51,175 --> 00:56:54,178 an opportunity to say to my brothers 1117 00:56:55,546 --> 00:57:00,084 and sisters around the world, thank you for caring. 1118 00:57:00,084 --> 00:57:04,489 Thank you for praying for us, remembering us, 1119 00:57:04,489 --> 00:57:07,024 and not forgetting about it. 1120 00:57:07,024 --> 00:57:10,260 - Is there anything that ought to be forgotten? 1121 00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:14,298 Are there any ideas that need to be put in the past 1122 00:57:14,298 --> 00:57:16,467 and not taken into the future? 1123 00:57:16,467 --> 00:57:19,336 - I think that each of us, we are sum total 1124 00:57:19,336 --> 00:57:23,240 of our past, our present, and our hope for the future 1125 00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,777 and so no, I wouldn't want to disregard the past. 1126 00:57:26,777 --> 00:57:28,579 I'd wanna learn from it. 1127 00:57:28,579 --> 00:57:31,048 I'd wanna grow as a result of it 1128 00:57:31,048 --> 00:57:33,851 and we must embrace our individuality 1129 00:57:33,851 --> 00:57:37,321 and celebrate it and not be negative 1130 00:57:37,321 --> 00:57:39,023 as a result of it. 1131 00:57:39,023 --> 00:57:42,359 I believe that from this can lead a path 1132 00:57:43,928 --> 00:57:46,764 of race relations that's positive. 1133 00:57:48,198 --> 00:57:51,335 A path that will lead us to a place of reconciliation, 1134 00:57:51,335 --> 00:57:55,272 of healing, and a place of a healthier society. 1135 00:57:59,276 --> 00:58:00,745 - Oh hey, come on. 1136 00:58:05,415 --> 00:58:08,185 (downbeat music) 85092

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