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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,035 --> 00:00:04,176 [light ambient music] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:09,112 --> 00:00:12,771 [glasses clinking] 5 00:00:12,805 --> 00:00:15,808 [suspenseful music] 6 00:00:22,091 --> 00:00:24,369 - A community off northern Vancouver Island 7 00:00:24,403 --> 00:00:27,234 is at the center of an eerie mystery. 8 00:00:27,268 --> 00:00:29,063 People in Alert Bay say they've been hearing 9 00:00:29,098 --> 00:00:32,929 strange screams and howls from the forest at night, 10 00:00:32,963 --> 00:00:35,380 and the legend of the Sasquatch runs deep 11 00:00:35,414 --> 00:00:37,347 in their first nation's culture. 12 00:00:37,382 --> 00:00:39,177 As CTV's Gord Kurbis reports, 13 00:00:39,211 --> 00:00:42,835 some are now wondering if those legends are real. 14 00:00:43,836 --> 00:00:45,631 [screaming] [whooshing] 15 00:00:45,666 --> 00:00:48,669 - We heard it once, and I didn't get the recording, 16 00:00:48,703 --> 00:00:51,085 and then second time, I got the recording, 17 00:00:52,259 --> 00:00:53,260 and that's when it was on the back porch. 18 00:00:53,294 --> 00:00:54,571 Very eerie. 19 00:00:54,606 --> 00:00:56,504 - [Gord] The audio was recorded just recently 20 00:00:56,539 --> 00:00:58,610 on the back side of Cormorant Island. 21 00:00:58,644 --> 00:01:00,991 It's been heard by many all over the island. 22 00:01:01,026 --> 00:01:02,993 - This summer I've heard it three times. 23 00:01:03,028 --> 00:01:04,650 I've heard it scream three times, 24 00:01:06,238 --> 00:01:07,929 but it's been coming here for years. 25 00:01:07,964 --> 00:01:09,655 - [Gord] Whatever's been making the noise 26 00:01:09,690 --> 00:01:12,072 is heard primarily at night. 27 00:01:12,106 --> 00:01:14,419 [screaming] 28 00:01:17,663 --> 00:01:20,942 Some say it's a dog, but others say, that's impossible. 29 00:01:20,977 --> 00:01:24,014 John Bindernagel makes his way into a forested area 30 00:01:24,049 --> 00:01:26,431 on Cormorant Island, looking for a creature 31 00:01:26,465 --> 00:01:28,398 many say doesn't exist. 32 00:01:28,433 --> 00:01:29,572 - It comes back to this question 33 00:01:29,606 --> 00:01:32,264 that comes up in other places. 34 00:01:32,299 --> 00:01:34,818 Not why is it here, or how could it be here, 35 00:01:34,853 --> 00:01:37,200 but there is evidence that it is here. 36 00:01:37,235 --> 00:01:38,719 - [Gord] The wildlife biologist 37 00:01:38,753 --> 00:01:42,171 is one of North America's best known Sasquatch researchers. 38 00:01:42,205 --> 00:01:44,138 He's here because many on the island 39 00:01:44,173 --> 00:01:46,865 in the community of Alert Bay are seeing 40 00:01:46,899 --> 00:01:48,763 [screaming] 41 00:01:48,798 --> 00:01:51,180 and hearing something they can't explain. 42 00:01:51,214 --> 00:01:52,698 - The vocalizations which we really 43 00:01:52,733 --> 00:01:56,323 can't attribute to wolves, coyotes, loons, owls, 44 00:01:56,357 --> 00:01:59,291 so it's in that area of possible Sasquatch. 45 00:01:59,326 --> 00:02:01,742 - While the howls and screams that have been heard 46 00:02:01,776 --> 00:02:03,019 throughout Alert Bay could be dismissed 47 00:02:03,053 --> 00:02:05,159 as simply animal noises, you have to keep in mind 48 00:02:05,194 --> 00:02:07,299 that Cormorant Island is a location 49 00:02:07,334 --> 00:02:08,887 where there is no wildlife. 50 00:02:08,921 --> 00:02:12,132 There's no bears, no cougars, not even any deer, 51 00:02:12,166 --> 00:02:13,823 and while you could dismiss the noises, 52 00:02:13,857 --> 00:02:15,721 there have been plenty of sightings. 53 00:02:15,756 --> 00:02:19,000 - One person that seen it, her father lives in Alert Bay, 54 00:02:19,035 --> 00:02:21,210 and she came up to visit her father, 55 00:02:21,244 --> 00:02:22,935 so she went up to the graveyard 56 00:02:22,970 --> 00:02:25,421 to pay respects to one of her family, 57 00:02:25,455 --> 00:02:27,008 and when she went up to the graveyard, 58 00:02:27,043 --> 00:02:28,493 she seen it standing there. 59 00:02:28,527 --> 00:02:30,219 She turned around and she got outta there right away. 60 00:02:30,253 --> 00:02:31,703 She didn't even go to the graveyard. 61 00:02:31,737 --> 00:02:33,946 - [Gord] And a more recent sighting when a group of teens 62 00:02:33,981 --> 00:02:36,363 were playing soccer near the band's big house, 63 00:02:36,397 --> 00:02:38,399 a large, upright creature moved quickly 64 00:02:38,434 --> 00:02:41,091 alongside the building, in just a few strides. 65 00:02:41,126 --> 00:02:42,955 - Yeah, they took off right away. 66 00:02:42,990 --> 00:02:46,200 They don't even stay there anymore after the dark. 67 00:02:46,235 --> 00:02:48,444 - The thing that's happening now 68 00:02:48,478 --> 00:02:52,551 is the dog's start answering it, and it quits. 69 00:02:52,586 --> 00:02:55,382 - I think it's more conceivable than people think, 70 00:02:55,416 --> 00:02:58,074 and more conceivable than I used to think, 71 00:02:58,108 --> 00:03:00,110 that a Sasquatch could be here, 72 00:03:00,145 --> 00:03:03,148 could only be being observed once every several years, 73 00:03:03,183 --> 00:03:05,771 a fleeting glimpse, but which is living. 74 00:03:07,256 --> 00:03:08,947 Well, I could probably get a record of its presence. 75 00:03:08,981 --> 00:03:10,673 - [Gord] That record, Bindernagel says, 76 00:03:10,707 --> 00:03:12,882 includes large footprints that have sometimes 77 00:03:12,916 --> 00:03:16,023 been photographed in different locations around the island. 78 00:03:16,057 --> 00:03:17,783 The creature has also been acknowledged 79 00:03:17,818 --> 00:03:20,855 in the first nation's culture for years as Zunaquas. 80 00:03:20,890 --> 00:03:23,375 He knows there are many skeptics, but he's confident 81 00:03:23,410 --> 00:03:25,688 one day, the mystery will be solved. 82 00:03:25,722 --> 00:03:27,966 Gord Kurbis, CTV News, Alert Bay. 83 00:03:29,657 --> 00:03:31,176 [eerie ambient music] 84 00:03:31,211 --> 00:03:32,971 - [Reporter] Now, we only have these still pictures for you. 85 00:03:33,005 --> 00:03:35,732 Japanese scientists spotted it about nine miles 86 00:03:35,767 --> 00:03:37,976 east of Chichi Island in the northern Pacific. 87 00:03:38,010 --> 00:03:42,601 They say it's up to 26 feet long, look at that, 88 00:03:42,636 --> 00:03:46,916 which is the length of four Kobe Bryants, or most-- 89 00:03:46,950 --> 00:03:49,263 - [Narrator] Over hundreds of years, the giant squid 90 00:03:49,298 --> 00:03:52,059 has been said to exist by the men of the sea. 91 00:03:53,198 --> 00:03:55,442 At first, the mainstream scientific community 92 00:03:55,476 --> 00:03:57,858 attacked the notion as a manifestation 93 00:03:57,892 --> 00:04:00,447 by the paranoid mind, a monster. 94 00:04:00,481 --> 00:04:03,035 However today, we know this creature to exist 95 00:04:03,070 --> 00:04:05,555 because the mainstream scientific community 96 00:04:05,590 --> 00:04:08,800 found corroborated trace evidence in whales. 97 00:04:10,146 --> 00:04:12,113 The Sasquatch has been said to exist 98 00:04:12,148 --> 00:04:15,876 for over hundreds of years by early native Canadian tribes. 99 00:04:17,153 --> 00:04:19,328 This has been corroborated by thousands 100 00:04:19,362 --> 00:04:23,401 of eye witness accounts by people across North America, 101 00:04:23,435 --> 00:04:27,439 and trace evidence has often been plentiful, but why? 102 00:04:28,578 --> 00:04:30,925 Why does the mainstream scientific community 103 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,412 still not acknowledge the existence of this creature? 104 00:04:34,446 --> 00:04:36,586 [dramatic orchestral music] 105 00:04:36,621 --> 00:04:38,968 [screaming] 106 00:04:44,111 --> 00:04:47,287 [eerie ambient music] 107 00:04:51,187 --> 00:04:54,604 - This is actually modeled after a jaw, 108 00:04:56,054 --> 00:05:01,024 a fossil, that consists of only the body of the mandible 109 00:05:02,716 --> 00:05:07,479 and the teeth that it contained of Gigantopithecus blacki. 110 00:05:09,067 --> 00:05:13,451 This is an inferred reconstruction of Gigantopithecus, 111 00:05:14,590 --> 00:05:18,421 but Gigantopithecus has long been considered 112 00:05:18,456 --> 00:05:22,080 a sort of potential ancestor for Sasquatch. 113 00:05:22,114 --> 00:05:24,600 In short, it's the right size, and the right place, 114 00:05:24,634 --> 00:05:27,396 at the right time to potentially 115 00:05:27,430 --> 00:05:30,399 have expanded its range from eastern Asia 116 00:05:30,433 --> 00:05:33,540 into North America, and maybe, in fact, 117 00:05:33,574 --> 00:05:35,507 ancestral to Sasquatch. 118 00:05:35,542 --> 00:05:40,340 Its cranial proportions actually are remarkably similar 119 00:05:40,374 --> 00:05:43,481 to those seen on the Patterson-Gimlin film subject, 120 00:05:43,515 --> 00:05:47,243 which provides us a very convincing 121 00:05:47,277 --> 00:05:49,763 and compelling piece of photographic evidence. 122 00:05:49,797 --> 00:05:51,074 - [Narrator] For thousands of years, 123 00:05:51,109 --> 00:05:52,938 people from all around the world 124 00:05:52,973 --> 00:05:56,425 have heard tales of encounters with relic hominids. 125 00:05:56,459 --> 00:05:59,151 In other words, people have been stating that they 126 00:05:59,186 --> 00:06:02,465 have come across ape-like men long forgotten 127 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:05,744 or thought to have been extinct in the deep wilderness. 128 00:06:05,779 --> 00:06:09,610 In North America, the most commonly known relic hominid 129 00:06:09,645 --> 00:06:12,441 is named Sasquatch or Bigfoot. 130 00:06:13,442 --> 00:06:16,410 [suspenseful music] 131 00:06:31,149 --> 00:06:34,842 - Well, in the mid 1930s, a jawbone was found 132 00:06:34,877 --> 00:06:36,948 in a cave in China. 133 00:06:36,982 --> 00:06:38,639 And an anthropologist looked at that 134 00:06:38,674 --> 00:06:41,953 and he says, "This is the jawbone of an ape, of a gorilla." 135 00:06:41,987 --> 00:06:43,886 Very large. 136 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,164 And because of the way the jaw was spread, 137 00:06:46,198 --> 00:06:48,546 he said that it also sets on a spine, 138 00:06:48,580 --> 00:06:51,065 meaning it walked upright, it wasn't a quadruped. 139 00:06:52,757 --> 00:06:54,275 They estimated that it probably 140 00:06:54,310 --> 00:06:57,175 would've been eight to 10 feet tall. 141 00:06:57,209 --> 00:06:59,280 They had teeth, had some of the teeth 142 00:06:59,315 --> 00:07:00,627 still in the lower jawbone. 143 00:07:00,661 --> 00:07:04,354 They found teeth, over in China in the shops, 144 00:07:04,389 --> 00:07:07,254 they were grinding 'em up, these fossilized teeth, 145 00:07:07,288 --> 00:07:08,945 and using 'em for medicine. 146 00:07:08,980 --> 00:07:11,223 Very interesting, because our continent 147 00:07:11,258 --> 00:07:13,467 was connected with China at one time. 148 00:07:13,502 --> 00:07:14,882 That was the only one at the time. 149 00:07:14,917 --> 00:07:17,471 Since then, four more jawbones have been found 150 00:07:17,506 --> 00:07:20,474 between Vietnam, India, and China, 151 00:07:20,509 --> 00:07:23,650 so these things were spread out over a long distance, 152 00:07:23,684 --> 00:07:25,721 and the first one I think they dated back 153 00:07:26,894 --> 00:07:27,792 half a million years, must've went extinct 154 00:07:27,826 --> 00:07:29,414 half a million years ago. 155 00:07:29,449 --> 00:07:32,624 The next one was like 300,000, then 200,000 156 00:07:32,659 --> 00:07:34,315 then down to 100,000. 157 00:07:34,350 --> 00:07:35,524 Every time they find a newer one, 158 00:07:35,558 --> 00:07:37,042 okay, it went extinct then. 159 00:07:37,077 --> 00:07:42,082 John Green once said, "Of all the things people describe, 160 00:07:43,359 --> 00:07:46,086 they have an amazing similarity in their description 161 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,675 of what they're seein', what they could make up, 162 00:07:48,709 --> 00:07:50,470 and what they're seeing." 163 00:07:50,504 --> 00:07:53,507 They describe this upright, large, bipedal ape. 164 00:07:53,542 --> 00:07:56,786 - There was a huge higher primate. 165 00:07:57,925 --> 00:08:00,031 - [Interviewer] Is that the Gigantopithecus? 166 00:08:00,065 --> 00:08:01,550 - Yeah. 167 00:08:01,584 --> 00:08:05,519 About three or four jawbones, 168 00:08:05,554 --> 00:08:07,107 and hundreds of teeth in China. 169 00:08:08,488 --> 00:08:13,458 Lived til, let's say about 100,000 years ago more or less. 170 00:08:15,909 --> 00:08:18,567 There's nothing to say it isn't still alive today. 171 00:08:19,982 --> 00:08:23,399 - So now, we don't have to make up a creature to fit it. 172 00:08:23,433 --> 00:08:26,091 We have one that we thought was extinct. 173 00:08:27,921 --> 00:08:30,302 Hair samples have been found, they've been turned in. 174 00:08:30,337 --> 00:08:32,477 They call him an unclassified primate. 175 00:08:32,512 --> 00:08:35,342 They don't really have anything to match him to. 176 00:08:35,376 --> 00:08:38,483 Well, about a year or so ago, 177 00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:40,727 DNA has finally gotten to the point 178 00:08:40,761 --> 00:08:43,143 they've been able to extract DNA from a fossil. 179 00:08:44,316 --> 00:08:46,456 - This is all hair, and that's hair, yep. 180 00:08:47,596 --> 00:08:48,942 - [Man] Can we take this and get it analyzed? 181 00:08:48,976 --> 00:08:50,219 - [Man] You betcha. 182 00:08:50,253 --> 00:08:51,703 - [Man] So we had the stuff analyzed 183 00:08:51,738 --> 00:08:52,946 and New York City Laboratory, 184 00:08:52,980 --> 00:08:55,120 said it was just like human hair, 185 00:08:55,155 --> 00:08:57,019 but that doesn't necessarily prove 186 00:08:57,053 --> 00:09:00,332 it didn't come from Bigfoot, a human-like creature. 187 00:09:00,367 --> 00:09:05,303 - It's got to get recognized eventually but, from DNA. 188 00:09:09,203 --> 00:09:11,585 Now, they're getting DNA from teeth 189 00:09:12,966 --> 00:09:15,555 that we would've considered would just be stone. 190 00:09:19,835 --> 00:09:21,906 Since this is possible, 191 00:09:23,355 --> 00:09:25,599 why on earth aren't they studying this? 192 00:09:25,634 --> 00:09:28,947 - Now because we have hair samples 193 00:09:28,982 --> 00:09:31,260 that have been called unknown primates, 194 00:09:31,294 --> 00:09:34,021 there's no classification to put 'em to, 195 00:09:34,056 --> 00:09:37,024 I am hoping they will be able to get some of these teeth. 196 00:09:37,059 --> 00:09:40,510 'Cause now we're 4,000 teeth since the early finding 197 00:09:40,545 --> 00:09:43,617 of the first jawbone have been collected, 198 00:09:43,652 --> 00:09:48,622 and I'm hoping one of 'em will be early enough 199 00:09:50,072 --> 00:09:52,212 to our time, that they'll be able to get DNA from it. 200 00:09:52,246 --> 00:09:54,214 If they do, and they could match that 201 00:09:54,248 --> 00:09:56,768 to the hair samples of this unknown primate, 202 00:09:56,803 --> 00:10:00,738 then science will tell us exactly what a Sasquatch was. 203 00:10:00,772 --> 00:10:01,980 They didn't go extinct. 204 00:10:02,015 --> 00:10:04,949 This is what people have been saying for years. 205 00:10:04,983 --> 00:10:07,365 On the A&E Bigfoot special, they mentioned 206 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:09,609 that not even 1,000 years ago, 207 00:10:11,024 --> 00:10:12,819 when the first Norsemen landed in the east coast, 208 00:10:12,853 --> 00:10:15,166 they were writing about these hair-covered creatures 209 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,305 that would come out at night 210 00:10:16,339 --> 00:10:17,547 'cause they'd caught it, 211 00:10:17,582 --> 00:10:19,895 doing most of their work mostly at night, 212 00:10:19,929 --> 00:10:21,172 were stealing salmon from the nets, 213 00:10:21,206 --> 00:10:23,105 you could always tell when they were around, 214 00:10:23,139 --> 00:10:25,555 they had this smell, they're describing a Sasquatch. 215 00:10:25,590 --> 00:10:29,352 The natives along the shoreline who can't even speak 216 00:10:30,388 --> 00:10:32,804 their language at the same time, 217 00:10:32,839 --> 00:10:35,220 in their folklore they're writing about the same creature. 218 00:10:35,255 --> 00:10:38,465 I find that interesting that not 1,000 years ago, 219 00:10:38,499 --> 00:10:40,847 two civilizations in the same area 220 00:10:40,881 --> 00:10:45,714 are talking about something that could very well fit 221 00:10:45,748 --> 00:10:50,719 the Sasquatch, this hairy upright, man-like creature. 222 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:53,618 I find that very compelling. 223 00:10:53,653 --> 00:10:54,930 - [Interviewer] So you believe it's a creature 224 00:10:54,964 --> 00:10:57,726 that hasn't actually gone extinct, 225 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,350 co-existing with humanity throughout our history, 226 00:11:01,384 --> 00:11:03,628 probably even older than humanity? 227 00:11:03,663 --> 00:11:05,112 - Yeah, that's right, because 228 00:11:06,458 --> 00:11:09,220 so many descriptions where people 229 00:11:09,254 --> 00:11:10,911 have seen 'em in their headlights, 230 00:11:10,946 --> 00:11:12,810 even police officers in their spotlights 231 00:11:12,844 --> 00:11:15,813 have claimed to have seen 'em at night on patrols. 232 00:11:15,847 --> 00:11:19,333 They claim they have this eye glow, this eye shine. 233 00:11:19,368 --> 00:11:21,197 I asked the late Grover Krantz, 234 00:11:21,232 --> 00:11:23,717 anthropologist from Washington. 235 00:11:23,752 --> 00:11:25,650 I asked the current anthropologist 236 00:11:25,685 --> 00:11:27,928 from Idaho State University, Jeff Meldrum, 237 00:11:27,963 --> 00:11:32,450 has man ever had nocturnal capabilities? 238 00:11:32,484 --> 00:11:33,727 Would they have eye shine? 239 00:11:33,762 --> 00:11:35,211 And they said there's nothing in the record 240 00:11:35,246 --> 00:11:38,870 to substantiate that that ever happened. 241 00:11:38,905 --> 00:11:42,529 I put on a monkey suit, my eyes are still human. 242 00:11:42,563 --> 00:11:44,048 They don't glow. 243 00:11:44,082 --> 00:11:47,914 The Sasquatch, the light hits its eyes, they glow 244 00:11:47,948 --> 00:11:49,985 like a coyote, like a bear. 245 00:11:50,019 --> 00:11:52,263 - So in addition to their size and their hairiness, 246 00:11:52,297 --> 00:11:53,713 there are a number of other features 247 00:11:53,747 --> 00:11:55,611 that distinguish Sasquatch from humans. 248 00:11:55,645 --> 00:11:58,752 If we just start at the top and work our way 249 00:11:58,787 --> 00:12:02,791 right down the anatomy, they have a cranial capacity 250 00:12:02,825 --> 00:12:04,896 it appears that would be on par with that 251 00:12:04,931 --> 00:12:07,174 of a gorilla or chimpanzee, 252 00:12:07,209 --> 00:12:11,247 is appropriate for the types of behaviors 253 00:12:11,282 --> 00:12:16,287 and the lack of an archeological record that we see. 254 00:12:17,633 --> 00:12:22,534 They seem to be distinguished by an extremely robust 255 00:12:24,088 --> 00:12:26,849 chewing apparatus, the masticatory apparatus, 256 00:12:28,264 --> 00:12:31,164 which has frequently been a point of divergence 257 00:12:31,198 --> 00:12:32,993 between hominid lineages. 258 00:12:33,856 --> 00:12:35,685 The grass owl versus the robust, 259 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,826 referring to the chewing apparatus. 260 00:12:37,860 --> 00:12:41,174 The jaws of the Sasquatch are extremely deep, 261 00:12:41,208 --> 00:12:43,797 extremely heavy, heavily muscled, 262 00:12:43,832 --> 00:12:48,215 so we the suggestion in some descriptions 263 00:12:48,250 --> 00:12:53,220 of a peaked head, resulting form sagittal crest, 264 00:12:54,428 --> 00:12:57,017 which is simply a buttressing of bone 265 00:12:57,052 --> 00:13:00,538 that provides additional surface area 266 00:13:00,572 --> 00:13:03,472 for the attachment of very powerful temporalis muscles here. 267 00:13:04,818 --> 00:13:07,994 And the large, high cheekbones, flaring outward 268 00:13:08,028 --> 00:13:10,065 for the attachment of the masseter muscles, 269 00:13:10,099 --> 00:13:12,377 the two principle chewing muscles 270 00:13:12,412 --> 00:13:14,552 of the masticatory system. 271 00:13:16,554 --> 00:13:21,386 Also, along with that, we see a lack of projecting canines, 272 00:13:21,421 --> 00:13:25,805 which, if we were envisioning a Hollywood monster, 273 00:13:25,839 --> 00:13:30,810 like King Kong, a giant gorilla-like ape, 274 00:13:32,190 --> 00:13:34,089 that's one of the hallmarks of the large hominids, 275 00:13:34,123 --> 00:13:37,609 chimps, gorillas, orangs, is these projecting canines, 276 00:13:37,644 --> 00:13:40,889 but these projecting canines can provide 277 00:13:40,923 --> 00:13:45,859 a sort of interlocking nature to the jaws, 278 00:13:45,894 --> 00:13:48,137 which prevents the side to side motion 279 00:13:48,172 --> 00:13:50,830 that is usually associated with dentition 280 00:13:51,969 --> 00:13:55,800 bearing extremely thickly enameled teeth 281 00:13:55,835 --> 00:13:57,733 for heavy chewing. 282 00:13:57,767 --> 00:13:59,873 The type of dentition you might expect 283 00:13:59,908 --> 00:14:01,875 for a large omnivorous primate 284 00:14:01,910 --> 00:14:04,015 in a temperate climate, temperate forest. 285 00:14:05,223 --> 00:14:08,157 We work our way down and we come to, 286 00:14:08,192 --> 00:14:10,021 well there's often been the description 287 00:14:10,056 --> 00:14:13,473 of a lack of a neck, or no visible neck. 288 00:14:13,507 --> 00:14:15,785 And that correlates or that is associated 289 00:14:15,820 --> 00:14:17,442 with the very deep jaws. 290 00:14:17,477 --> 00:14:20,307 Where you have a small brain case 291 00:14:20,342 --> 00:14:23,034 coupled with very very deep jaws. 292 00:14:23,069 --> 00:14:25,899 The distance that is traversed by those seven 293 00:14:25,934 --> 00:14:29,316 cervial vertebrae is pretty much covered up by 294 00:14:29,351 --> 00:14:31,905 the very deep deep jaws. 295 00:14:31,940 --> 00:14:33,734 So there is a neck, of course there's a neck, 296 00:14:33,769 --> 00:14:38,774 but it is obscured anteriorly by the deep jaws 297 00:14:39,948 --> 00:14:44,090 and posteriorly by the massive neck muscles 298 00:14:44,124 --> 00:14:49,129 that must counterbalance the weight of that heavy face. 299 00:14:50,337 --> 00:14:53,444 Our skull, if I can grab an example here 300 00:14:53,478 --> 00:14:57,379 is balanced quite nicely over this foramen magnum 301 00:14:57,413 --> 00:15:01,590 because of our enlarged cranial area for the brain 302 00:15:01,624 --> 00:15:04,558 and our reduced face, it's easy, 303 00:15:04,593 --> 00:15:07,216 sometimes my students can master the art 304 00:15:07,251 --> 00:15:10,806 of falling asleep, and their head balances quite nicely 305 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,051 on that, poised on that spine. 306 00:15:14,085 --> 00:15:19,090 But for a gorilla, or any animal that has much larger jaws, 307 00:15:20,505 --> 00:15:23,750 projecting lower face, and not that the Sasquatch 308 00:15:23,784 --> 00:15:25,648 necessarily has a projected face, 309 00:15:25,683 --> 00:15:28,720 but the deep jaws are much heavier 310 00:15:28,755 --> 00:15:33,760 than this small cranial space for the brain. 311 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:39,179 And so it responds to that to balance the head 312 00:15:39,214 --> 00:15:42,389 over the spine, there's this area back here 313 00:15:42,424 --> 00:15:45,082 for the attachment of neck muscles, 314 00:15:45,116 --> 00:15:46,186 neck and shoulder muscles, 315 00:15:46,221 --> 00:15:47,877 so just the trapezius. 316 00:15:49,327 --> 00:15:52,123 And when you look at, for example, 317 00:15:52,158 --> 00:15:54,781 the subject on the Patterson-Gimlin film, 318 00:15:54,815 --> 00:15:58,785 this trapezius forms this large, almost cape-like structure 319 00:15:58,819 --> 00:16:00,925 that flutters out to the broad shoulders. 320 00:16:02,547 --> 00:16:05,861 And so from behind there's very little visible neck. 321 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:10,003 We work our way down and the Sasquatch, as I said, 322 00:16:10,038 --> 00:16:12,281 seems to be very massive, 323 00:16:12,316 --> 00:16:16,147 not only tall, but the mature adults 324 00:16:16,182 --> 00:16:20,013 are very very broad and thick, 325 00:16:20,048 --> 00:16:24,604 probably to provide capacity for a large gut, 326 00:16:26,088 --> 00:16:30,299 since their diet would consist of a lot of roughage 327 00:16:30,334 --> 00:16:32,922 as well as probably meat, 328 00:16:32,957 --> 00:16:34,994 in that we think that they're omnivorous. 329 00:16:36,443 --> 00:16:37,444 If we look at their hands, 330 00:16:37,479 --> 00:16:38,652 one of the distinguishing features, 331 00:16:38,687 --> 00:16:40,689 which again, correlates well with the lack 332 00:16:40,723 --> 00:16:43,968 of stone tools and other material culture, 333 00:16:44,003 --> 00:16:48,869 is a relatively non-opposed thumb. 334 00:16:48,904 --> 00:16:52,425 A divergent thumb, but one that is not rotated 90 degrees 335 00:16:52,459 --> 00:16:56,946 to provide for the precision opposition type of grip, 336 00:16:56,981 --> 00:17:01,572 which is critical for, not only the manufacture of tools, 337 00:17:02,987 --> 00:17:07,440 but the manipulation of fine tools, cutting blades, 338 00:17:07,474 --> 00:17:08,889 and so forth. 339 00:17:08,924 --> 00:17:13,342 Instead, their thumb faces relatively in the same direction 340 00:17:13,377 --> 00:17:15,758 as the other digits, and therefore, 341 00:17:15,793 --> 00:17:17,519 they lack, in their handprints, 342 00:17:17,553 --> 00:17:20,453 this developed fenar eminence. 343 00:17:20,487 --> 00:17:23,180 The musculature that is involved in those movements 344 00:17:23,214 --> 00:17:24,733 of opposition. 345 00:17:24,767 --> 00:17:27,356 Which, when they're atrophied in the human, 346 00:17:27,391 --> 00:17:29,979 are turned an ape-hand, interestingly enough. 347 00:17:32,258 --> 00:17:36,814 Of course, my interest is focused primarily on the feet 348 00:17:36,848 --> 00:17:41,853 and the footprints that are left by those feet, 349 00:17:43,062 --> 00:17:45,167 and these point to other distinguishing features 350 00:17:45,202 --> 00:17:49,758 that set this creature off from the human condition. 351 00:17:49,792 --> 00:17:52,795 These footprints are not merely enlarged facsimiles 352 00:17:52,830 --> 00:17:54,452 of the human footprint, 353 00:17:54,487 --> 00:17:57,835 which is characterized by a distinctive longitudinal arch, 354 00:17:57,869 --> 00:17:59,112 which gives that footprint 355 00:17:59,147 --> 00:18:02,081 its distinctive hourglass appearance. 356 00:18:02,115 --> 00:18:04,566 But instead, they're very flat and flexible. 357 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,259 They have retained a degree of mid-foot flexibility 358 00:18:08,294 --> 00:18:10,261 through the transverse tarsal joint 359 00:18:10,296 --> 00:18:12,470 that is a hallmark of the anthropoid ape, 360 00:18:12,505 --> 00:18:17,165 the ape, grasp-climbing adaptation, 361 00:18:17,199 --> 00:18:19,581 characterized by a large big toe 362 00:18:19,615 --> 00:18:21,652 that diverges from the others 363 00:18:21,686 --> 00:18:25,311 and can grasp a vertical support, going up, 364 00:18:25,345 --> 00:18:28,072 sort of decoupling the prehensile portion 365 00:18:28,107 --> 00:18:30,178 from the propulsive portion of the foot. 366 00:18:31,386 --> 00:18:35,217 But this is also a useful adaptation 367 00:18:35,252 --> 00:18:39,290 for negotiating steep rugged broken mountainsides 368 00:18:39,325 --> 00:18:42,224 in a temperate coniferous forest. 369 00:18:44,330 --> 00:18:48,817 So even with a lack of a strongly divergent big toe, 370 00:18:48,851 --> 00:18:53,408 that flexibility then allows for longer grasping digits 371 00:18:53,442 --> 00:18:55,927 and for the powerful propulsion, 372 00:18:55,962 --> 00:19:00,069 provided by the enlarged and elongated heel bone 373 00:19:00,104 --> 00:19:02,969 that seem to be characteristic of the Sasquatch foot. 374 00:19:03,003 --> 00:19:05,558 So, it's an elegant adaptation for a large, 375 00:19:05,592 --> 00:19:10,321 heavy exo-morphic bipedal primate 376 00:19:11,771 --> 00:19:16,327 that is traveling up and down very steep and rugged 377 00:19:17,086 --> 00:19:18,433 mountainous terrain. 378 00:19:18,467 --> 00:19:20,228 If we return to the head region, 379 00:19:20,262 --> 00:19:23,162 we can look at some of the special senses, 380 00:19:23,196 --> 00:19:25,578 and there does seem to be evidence that Sasquatch 381 00:19:25,612 --> 00:19:27,476 are nocturnal. 382 00:19:27,511 --> 00:19:29,616 They're capable of moving around at night. 383 00:19:29,651 --> 00:19:33,137 Now whether they have night vision, 384 00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:36,830 whether they have a reflecting membrane, 385 00:19:36,865 --> 00:19:39,178 the tapetum lucidum, in their eye, 386 00:19:39,212 --> 00:19:42,422 which would be an unusual sort of reversion 387 00:19:42,457 --> 00:19:44,700 to a more primitive primate condition. 388 00:19:44,735 --> 00:19:47,358 Not out of the question, but it could just simply be 389 00:19:47,393 --> 00:19:51,086 a matter of their increased body size 390 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,813 with eyes that have scaled isometrically. 391 00:19:55,435 --> 00:19:57,437 So all those things together, you know, 392 00:19:57,472 --> 00:20:00,509 the Sasquatch really only resembles us 393 00:20:00,544 --> 00:20:02,649 in its habit of standing on two legs. 394 00:20:04,306 --> 00:20:07,689 Beyond that, it differs from the human condition 395 00:20:07,723 --> 00:20:10,209 in almost every aspect. 396 00:20:12,176 --> 00:20:14,696 - [Interviewer] And the other things that people describe 397 00:20:14,730 --> 00:20:16,249 if they've seen one, 398 00:20:17,388 --> 00:20:20,011 I've heard people describe that they have 399 00:20:20,046 --> 00:20:21,944 a certain smell or odor. 400 00:20:21,979 --> 00:20:23,429 - Sure. 401 00:20:23,463 --> 00:20:24,499 - [Interviewer] I know it's silly, but it's something- 402 00:20:24,533 --> 00:20:27,191 - No, it's perfect naturally. 403 00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:30,159 The same thing applies to other great apes and humans 404 00:20:30,194 --> 00:20:31,540 for that matter. 405 00:20:31,575 --> 00:20:35,924 If we didn't have the hygiene practices 406 00:20:35,958 --> 00:20:40,480 that modern Western people employ. 407 00:20:41,930 --> 00:20:44,795 - You're lookin' over about, oh, almost 20 kilometers 408 00:20:44,829 --> 00:20:48,177 up Harrison lake, at the 20 mile point actually. 409 00:20:48,212 --> 00:20:50,973 That is Long Island out there in the lake, 410 00:20:51,008 --> 00:20:53,459 the west side, and if you look up towards, you can see 411 00:20:53,493 --> 00:20:56,496 the entrance to the Silver River Estuary right there. 412 00:20:56,531 --> 00:20:58,187 It's a little obscured by the clouds now, 413 00:20:58,222 --> 00:20:59,706 but you would see Mount Breakenridge, 414 00:20:59,741 --> 00:21:03,020 which is a dormant volcano here on the lake, 415 00:21:03,054 --> 00:21:04,470 and beyond that Stokke Creek, 416 00:21:04,504 --> 00:21:07,611 where that famous incident occurred in the 1970s. 417 00:21:07,645 --> 00:21:10,717 Harrison Lake is about 40 miles long. 418 00:21:10,752 --> 00:21:13,375 It's about three miles wide at its widest point, 419 00:21:13,410 --> 00:21:15,135 it's extremely deep. 420 00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:18,415 And of course, it's smack dab in the middle 421 00:21:18,449 --> 00:21:20,624 of the heart of where the Sasquatch 422 00:21:20,658 --> 00:21:23,523 and the Sasquatch legend really was born, 423 00:21:23,558 --> 00:21:25,594 and is continued to this day. 424 00:21:25,629 --> 00:21:28,632 - Well there seems to be a very good ecological correlation 425 00:21:28,666 --> 00:21:31,566 between credible Sasquatch reports 426 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,396 and habitat type and rainfall. 427 00:21:34,431 --> 00:21:39,436 If you look at a clinal map showing 18 plus inches 428 00:21:40,851 --> 00:21:43,785 of annual precipitation, that pretty much encompasses 429 00:21:43,819 --> 00:21:48,790 all of the habitat that we find credible Sasquatch reports. 430 00:21:50,378 --> 00:21:54,692 British Columbia has that nature of habitat, 431 00:21:54,727 --> 00:21:56,211 moist, wet forest. 432 00:21:56,245 --> 00:21:58,834 In fact, the west coast of British Columbia 433 00:21:58,869 --> 00:22:03,770 and even inland at the continental divide 434 00:22:05,185 --> 00:22:07,360 boasts some of the largest temperate rain forests 435 00:22:07,395 --> 00:22:08,327 on the continent. 436 00:22:09,707 --> 00:22:12,814 It's my personal opinion that the temperate rain forests 437 00:22:12,848 --> 00:22:16,335 were the initial core habitat of this creature, 438 00:22:18,613 --> 00:22:22,168 and they have since spread out to occupy 439 00:22:22,202 --> 00:22:26,103 much more diverse habitats, much like the black bear. 440 00:22:26,137 --> 00:22:29,417 In fact, if you look at the range of distribution 441 00:22:29,451 --> 00:22:31,764 of the black bear in North America, 442 00:22:31,798 --> 00:22:33,835 it's remarkably similar to what we think 443 00:22:33,869 --> 00:22:37,217 is a reasonable range distribution for Sasquatch. 444 00:22:37,252 --> 00:22:42,257 But if we look at the habitat across British Columbia, 445 00:22:43,672 --> 00:22:45,709 there are vast areas with very little human population 446 00:22:47,124 --> 00:22:50,403 that almost certainly harbor Sasquatch. 447 00:22:50,438 --> 00:22:52,957 - [Narrator] In the '80s, could researcher Grover Krantz 448 00:22:52,992 --> 00:22:55,684 have set the stage for the most credible evidence 449 00:22:55,719 --> 00:22:56,996 in regards to this study? 450 00:22:57,030 --> 00:23:00,344 - [Jack] To your right, my left, Grover Krantz, 451 00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:02,898 again, for our viewers, professor of anthropology 452 00:23:02,933 --> 00:23:06,350 at Washington State University, author on this subject. 453 00:23:07,455 --> 00:23:10,112 Tell our viewers, what has convinced you 454 00:23:10,147 --> 00:23:12,598 that yes, there is a Bigfoot? 455 00:23:12,632 --> 00:23:14,427 - Well the first thing that convinced me 456 00:23:14,462 --> 00:23:17,672 was back in 1970 when I saw and studied 457 00:23:17,706 --> 00:23:20,295 a pair of footprint casts 458 00:23:20,329 --> 00:23:23,781 from up in the northeastern corner of Washington, 459 00:23:23,816 --> 00:23:26,370 and this was one we refer to now as cripple foot, 460 00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:28,441 the right foot was badly crippled 461 00:23:28,476 --> 00:23:32,065 and I tried to reconstruct the likely bone structure. 462 00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:34,965 At the time, I didn't think it was very likely even real, 463 00:23:34,999 --> 00:23:36,380 but when I reconstructed it, 464 00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:38,486 I found out it was exactly the kind of design 465 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,454 that would be necessary for an eight foot tall creature 466 00:23:41,489 --> 00:23:44,250 with an otherwise human body design, 467 00:23:44,284 --> 00:23:46,735 and I figured nobody could've figured this out. 468 00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:48,496 - [Jack] And this, you say it's the casts 469 00:23:48,530 --> 00:23:50,187 that have convinced you? 470 00:23:50,221 --> 00:23:52,258 - Yes, not just that they are casts, 471 00:23:52,292 --> 00:23:54,467 but in some of them I can see some details 472 00:23:54,502 --> 00:23:57,366 of anatomy that I figured nobody else 473 00:23:57,401 --> 00:23:59,576 could've plotted from nothing. 474 00:23:59,610 --> 00:24:02,475 I see them in the footprints and I figure, 475 00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:04,063 if somebody faked those, he had to know more 476 00:24:04,097 --> 00:24:05,478 about human anatomy than I do, 477 00:24:05,513 --> 00:24:08,032 and a more inventive mind than mine, 478 00:24:08,067 --> 00:24:10,034 and I don't think there is anybody like that. 479 00:24:10,069 --> 00:24:11,415 - Bossburg Cripple Foot. 480 00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,279 It still remains one of the most interesting, 481 00:24:13,313 --> 00:24:14,832 I think, one of the most interesting cases. 482 00:24:14,867 --> 00:24:17,421 So here's a pair of tracks that were cast 483 00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:20,735 in Bossburg, Washington, up near the Canadian border 484 00:24:20,769 --> 00:24:22,771 in northeastern Washington state. 485 00:24:22,806 --> 00:24:26,775 This foot's quite normal, a normal, healthy Sasquatch, 486 00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:27,811 let's put it that way. 487 00:24:27,845 --> 00:24:29,260 [laughs] 488 00:24:29,295 --> 00:24:32,505 But this one shows some remarkable pathologies to it. 489 00:24:32,540 --> 00:24:35,474 It was either the result of a crushing injury 490 00:24:35,508 --> 00:24:38,960 in adulthood, or it could've been 491 00:24:38,994 --> 00:24:43,999 a neuropathy, a spinal cord lesion, say, 492 00:24:45,173 --> 00:24:47,244 that caused damage down the nerves 493 00:24:47,278 --> 00:24:49,798 to the distal features, and then caused 494 00:24:49,833 --> 00:24:54,078 the soft tissues to pull the foot into a contorted posture. 495 00:24:54,113 --> 00:24:57,012 You can see the toes are pushed out of alignment, 496 00:24:57,047 --> 00:24:58,566 and bent off at odd angles. 497 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,740 The third toe's probably just simply 498 00:25:00,775 --> 00:25:03,329 pushed up out of alignment with the other toes 499 00:25:03,363 --> 00:25:05,124 so that it doesn't leave an imprint, 500 00:25:05,158 --> 00:25:08,714 but really telling here are these two bulges on this side. 501 00:25:08,748 --> 00:25:12,580 Now the position of these bulges, in a modern human, 502 00:25:12,614 --> 00:25:16,515 would be way back here on a foot of this length, 503 00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:21,105 because we have a disproportionately shorter calcaneus. 504 00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:22,900 The greatly elongated calcaneus 505 00:25:22,935 --> 00:25:25,524 for greater leverage of massive weight, 506 00:25:25,558 --> 00:25:27,491 corresponding to the massive weight of this creature, 507 00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:30,839 displaces these landmarks more distally 508 00:25:30,874 --> 00:25:32,531 or further down the foot. 509 00:25:32,565 --> 00:25:37,328 The possibility, or the probability, let's put it that way. 510 00:25:37,363 --> 00:25:40,228 The probability that a hoaxer would stumble on 511 00:25:40,262 --> 00:25:45,267 a representation of this pathology, 512 00:25:46,475 --> 00:25:49,271 which, to an orthopedic surgeon or a podiatrist, 513 00:25:49,306 --> 00:25:51,135 seems quite natural. 514 00:25:51,170 --> 00:25:56,175 For someone to have, in 1972 especially, 515 00:25:57,556 --> 00:26:00,248 to have concocted something that was so convincing 516 00:26:00,282 --> 00:26:04,148 and to have incorporated this particular pathology 517 00:26:05,218 --> 00:26:09,637 in a divergent location, or an anomalous, 518 00:26:09,671 --> 00:26:12,605 let's put it that way, an anomalous location 519 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,402 vis-a-vis a human foot, but in precisely the right place 520 00:26:16,436 --> 00:26:21,165 for it to correspond with the position of that joint 521 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,445 in other examples of mid-foot flexibility, 522 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,000 it just defies imagination. 523 00:26:28,034 --> 00:26:30,796 - [Jack] What is the name of the famous videotape 524 00:26:31,969 --> 00:26:33,730 that our viewers are about to see? 525 00:26:33,764 --> 00:26:35,248 - Okay, that's sometimes referred to as 526 00:26:35,283 --> 00:26:36,974 the Patterson-Gimlin film. 527 00:26:37,009 --> 00:26:38,458 - [Jack] The Patterson film. 528 00:26:38,493 --> 00:26:41,634 And I would ask staff there to please roll this, 529 00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:43,774 and if you would narrate for our viewers, 530 00:26:43,809 --> 00:26:45,569 and tell us, what are we about to see? 531 00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:47,053 What is this video? 532 00:26:47,088 --> 00:26:48,296 - [Grover] There's an animal walking through the forest 533 00:26:48,330 --> 00:26:50,643 at this slightly advanced speed. 534 00:26:50,678 --> 00:26:52,127 - [Jack] What forest, where? 535 00:26:52,162 --> 00:26:54,543 - [Grover] In northwestern California, Bluff Creek. 536 00:26:54,578 --> 00:26:58,168 - You're talking about the Roger Patterson film of 1967. 537 00:26:59,376 --> 00:27:01,827 Documentaries talk about that film all the time, 538 00:27:01,861 --> 00:27:05,485 but they terribly mistake the evidence as it happened. 539 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,488 They were down there for nearly three weeks, 540 00:27:08,523 --> 00:27:12,147 as it's been told, and hadn't found any prints, 541 00:27:12,182 --> 00:27:17,083 and one morning, Bob and Roger went up into Bluff Creek 542 00:27:17,118 --> 00:27:18,291 where they'd been before, 543 00:27:18,326 --> 00:27:19,568 and they've been all over the place. 544 00:27:19,603 --> 00:27:22,261 They had to say, "Where are we gonna go today?" 545 00:27:22,295 --> 00:27:23,849 They decided to go up into Bluff Creek 546 00:27:23,883 --> 00:27:25,402 and that's when they rounded that bend 547 00:27:25,436 --> 00:27:27,680 up in Bluff Creek on the sandbar. 548 00:27:27,715 --> 00:27:31,546 There was a downfall tree, the tree had a root system 549 00:27:31,580 --> 00:27:32,789 that was standing there, probably eight, 550 00:27:32,823 --> 00:27:35,515 nine feet high as Bob describes it. 551 00:27:35,550 --> 00:27:38,242 Roger was just ahead of him on his horse. 552 00:27:38,277 --> 00:27:40,486 Bob's pullin' the pack horse, and he's on his horse, 553 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,177 but he's got a much bigger horse. 554 00:27:42,212 --> 00:27:44,110 Roger rode a little horse, I always tease 555 00:27:44,145 --> 00:27:46,112 and say the size of a great dane. 556 00:27:46,147 --> 00:27:48,080 Roger was a little guy. 557 00:27:48,114 --> 00:27:49,840 So anyway, Roger rounds the bend 558 00:27:49,875 --> 00:27:52,429 and when he does, his horse goes crazy, 559 00:27:52,463 --> 00:27:55,052 and Roger notices off by the creek 560 00:27:55,087 --> 00:27:58,124 there's a creature squatted there, covered with hair. 561 00:27:59,539 --> 00:28:02,301 He pulls his horse down, tries to control it. 562 00:28:02,335 --> 00:28:05,235 He gets off of it, he gets his foot hung up in the stirrup, 563 00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:07,824 frees himself, and he had his camera in the saddle bag 564 00:28:07,858 --> 00:28:09,860 in case they saw tracks. 565 00:28:09,895 --> 00:28:11,690 He grabs the camera, it's one of those old 566 00:28:11,724 --> 00:28:15,003 hand-wound cameras, and he takes off running for it 567 00:28:15,038 --> 00:28:16,625 and tells Bob to cover him. 568 00:28:16,660 --> 00:28:19,352 The creature, by then, when Bob come around and seen it, 569 00:28:19,387 --> 00:28:21,389 when all this is going on with Roger's horse, 570 00:28:21,423 --> 00:28:22,873 it was standing. 571 00:28:22,908 --> 00:28:24,944 What had happened, Roger Patterson had an interest 572 00:28:24,979 --> 00:28:28,016 in the Sasquatch for about seven years or more. 573 00:28:28,051 --> 00:28:31,295 He'd been out looking for evidence, looking for tracks, 574 00:28:31,330 --> 00:28:35,714 and gathering reports, and then in the summer of 1967, 575 00:28:37,543 --> 00:28:39,234 on Onion Mountain, there were some tracks 576 00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:40,511 that had been found. 577 00:28:40,546 --> 00:28:42,755 They were building roads at that time up through, 578 00:28:42,790 --> 00:28:45,482 making a highway north up through Bluff Creek 579 00:28:45,516 --> 00:28:48,312 and on up the west coast. 580 00:28:49,486 --> 00:28:53,904 So John Green went down to see these tracks. 581 00:28:53,939 --> 00:28:56,320 John Green's a local man, lived here, 582 00:28:57,736 --> 00:29:00,117 and when he got there, the tracks had pretty much 583 00:29:00,152 --> 00:29:01,532 been back bladed, and there was only a few left. 584 00:29:01,567 --> 00:29:04,156 Well, by the next morning, when John got up 585 00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:06,641 very early in the morning, the phone rang, 586 00:29:06,675 --> 00:29:09,782 and John says, obviously on a radio phone, 587 00:29:09,817 --> 00:29:11,991 the guy called and says, "What you're lookin' for is here." 588 00:29:12,026 --> 00:29:12,992 That's all he said. 589 00:29:14,442 --> 00:29:17,790 John got a hold of the Sun newspaper in Vancouver. 590 00:29:17,825 --> 00:29:20,551 They put up $500 to pay for a plane 591 00:29:20,586 --> 00:29:22,415 and a pilot to fly 'em down. 592 00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:24,072 John got a hold of Dale Moffat, 593 00:29:24,107 --> 00:29:27,179 and he brought a tracking dog named White Lady. 594 00:29:27,213 --> 00:29:28,836 They all loaded on that small Cessna. 595 00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:33,702 A guy by the name of Keith Chazzari was the pilot. 596 00:29:33,737 --> 00:29:35,877 Keith I spoke to about a year ago, 597 00:29:35,912 --> 00:29:39,053 and after all these years, you should've heard him. 598 00:29:39,087 --> 00:29:42,470 He says that it was amazing the way the dog, 599 00:29:42,504 --> 00:29:44,368 they put him on the scent of the track 600 00:29:44,403 --> 00:29:47,061 where they would still see him just before dark. 601 00:29:47,095 --> 00:29:50,996 He said, "Bill, the hair literally stood up on its back. 602 00:29:51,030 --> 00:29:52,721 That dog went into high alert. 603 00:29:52,756 --> 00:29:56,691 "here was somethin' about those tracks it did not like." 604 00:29:56,725 --> 00:29:59,832 There was over 1,000 tracks had been reported there. 605 00:29:59,867 --> 00:30:02,939 They counted, I think, 560 or 70 tracks 606 00:30:02,973 --> 00:30:04,147 that were still left. 607 00:30:04,181 --> 00:30:06,218 Other people had been there to see him, 608 00:30:06,252 --> 00:30:10,187 some had run over 'em, stepped on 'em, 609 00:30:10,222 --> 00:30:13,052 but these tracks went on for over a mile or so. 610 00:30:13,087 --> 00:30:15,296 It went off the road, into the bush, 611 00:30:15,330 --> 00:30:18,368 up and down a few inclines, through bushwhacking, 612 00:30:18,402 --> 00:30:19,921 back out onto the road again, 613 00:30:19,956 --> 00:30:21,750 and there were actually two sets of tracks 614 00:30:21,785 --> 00:30:24,857 that I've seen in the pictures, 15 and 13 inch. 615 00:30:24,892 --> 00:30:26,376 They didn't know if they were together, 616 00:30:26,410 --> 00:30:29,655 but they did cross paths a few times going back and forth. 617 00:30:29,689 --> 00:30:32,520 Then at some point, John Green, who knew Roger Patterson, 618 00:30:32,554 --> 00:30:36,144 a lot of the guys knew each other in this little circle, 619 00:30:36,179 --> 00:30:38,802 he called Roger Patterson's house when he was in town, 620 00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:43,807 and he told him, or he left a message with Mrs. Patterson, 621 00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:48,812 Patricia, that, let Roger know there are tracks down here, 622 00:30:50,227 --> 00:30:51,608 'cause at that time Roger's away over at Mount Saint Helen's 623 00:30:51,642 --> 00:30:53,541 with Bob Gimlin on an expedition. 624 00:30:54,956 --> 00:30:56,889 "There's tracks down here, we know he's wanting to shoot 625 00:30:56,924 --> 00:30:58,166 a little amateur documentary of him 626 00:30:58,201 --> 00:30:59,892 with the Sasquatch hunter, 627 00:30:59,927 --> 00:31:02,274 he was hoping to see some tracks to film. 628 00:31:02,308 --> 00:31:05,104 Tell him, good tracks, pristine, nice lookin' tracks. 629 00:31:05,139 --> 00:31:06,761 Come on down." 630 00:31:06,795 --> 00:31:08,728 It took about two or three weeks before Gimlin 631 00:31:08,763 --> 00:31:11,248 got around to actually being able to leave. 632 00:31:12,836 --> 00:31:15,597 Him and Roger took off for Bluff Creek. 633 00:31:15,632 --> 00:31:16,805 By the time they got down there, 634 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,463 Bob's told me that, "When we got down there, 635 00:31:19,498 --> 00:31:23,122 you could see where the tracks had been, a lot of 'em," 636 00:31:23,157 --> 00:31:24,641 but he says because of the rains, 637 00:31:24,675 --> 00:31:26,436 and they were in dust and dirt, 638 00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:28,990 loose dirt had kinda washed 'em out 639 00:31:29,025 --> 00:31:30,405 and took a lot of the definition out. 640 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,304 You could tell they were footprints, 641 00:31:32,338 --> 00:31:34,651 but they weren't really the nice pristine tracks 642 00:31:34,685 --> 00:31:36,480 like John Green had described. 643 00:31:42,624 --> 00:31:44,764 A few years ago, 644 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:47,906 oh, I got people claiming to be involved in this film 645 00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:50,322 as a hoax, and it's so disappointing 646 00:31:50,356 --> 00:31:54,326 that the news media is willing to welcome 647 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,018 somebody claiming a hoax without investigation, 648 00:31:57,053 --> 00:31:59,883 without question, and this is what happened 649 00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:01,505 when Ray Wallace died. 650 00:32:02,679 --> 00:32:04,094 Ray Wallace had a construction company 651 00:32:04,129 --> 00:32:05,924 down in Bluff Creek many years ago, 652 00:32:05,958 --> 00:32:07,960 and by the time the Patterson film was shot, 653 00:32:07,995 --> 00:32:12,102 he'd moved his operation back to Washington. 654 00:32:12,137 --> 00:32:14,898 But yet, every time footprints show up, 655 00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:16,727 they wanted to blame old Ray had a pair 656 00:32:16,762 --> 00:32:18,937 of wooden carvings here. 657 00:32:18,971 --> 00:32:21,974 - If Sasquatch does not exist, 658 00:32:22,009 --> 00:32:26,565 as the skeptics and critics would assert, would maintain, 659 00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:29,154 then all of the footprint evidence out there 660 00:32:29,188 --> 00:32:30,845 has been hoaxed. 661 00:32:30,879 --> 00:32:34,124 And of course we know of one individual 662 00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:38,163 whose family claimed that indeed, 663 00:32:38,197 --> 00:32:41,787 he had hoaxed all of the footprints 664 00:32:41,821 --> 00:32:44,410 in the west United States over the years 665 00:32:44,445 --> 00:32:47,379 by fabricating these carved wooden feet 666 00:32:47,413 --> 00:32:52,418 that were strapped to boots and worn by his brother, 667 00:32:53,592 --> 00:32:55,732 and cousins, and nephews, and so forth, 668 00:32:55,766 --> 00:32:59,011 to traipse around the pacific northwest, 669 00:32:59,046 --> 00:33:00,150 and west United States. 670 00:33:01,358 --> 00:33:02,359 Where to begin. 671 00:33:04,879 --> 00:33:08,055 What was most dismaying was the speed 672 00:33:08,089 --> 00:33:11,955 with which the media grabbed onto this 673 00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:14,716 as the explanation. 674 00:33:14,751 --> 00:33:16,891 Finally the mystery was solved, 675 00:33:16,925 --> 00:33:19,066 the mystery of Bigfoot had been accounted for 676 00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:21,689 by these ridiculously crude, 677 00:33:21,723 --> 00:33:25,796 and non-anatomical carved wooden feet. 678 00:33:25,831 --> 00:33:30,836 With no prerequisite that they account for 679 00:33:31,975 --> 00:33:35,668 how these were used, really practically used, 680 00:33:35,703 --> 00:33:38,395 in creating not only individual footprints 681 00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:41,502 but long lines of tracks that, in some instances, 682 00:33:41,536 --> 00:33:44,125 were followed by investigators for miles. 683 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,127 - So you got Dan Rather with CBS, 684 00:33:46,162 --> 00:33:49,510 you got Fox news, you got MSNBC going on, 685 00:33:49,544 --> 00:33:52,133 "The mystery of Bigfoot has been solved. 686 00:33:52,168 --> 00:33:55,723 It was Ray Wallace, according to the Ray Wallace family." 687 00:33:55,757 --> 00:33:58,243 I thought, wow, so let's take a look at that. 688 00:33:58,277 --> 00:34:00,486 They didn't, so what I did was I got 689 00:34:00,521 --> 00:34:02,730 Ray Wallace's carving, and I took, 690 00:34:02,764 --> 00:34:04,559 despite the fact that many of these 691 00:34:04,594 --> 00:34:06,527 were different lengths than the carving, 692 00:34:06,561 --> 00:34:08,494 different widths than the carving, 693 00:34:08,529 --> 00:34:09,702 I made 'em all the same length 694 00:34:09,737 --> 00:34:11,911 and made 'em all the same width, 695 00:34:11,946 --> 00:34:14,811 and I can tell ya, a five year old, a beginner, 696 00:34:14,845 --> 00:34:16,882 if you'd have just made the comparison, 697 00:34:16,916 --> 00:34:18,642 you could see that this wood carving 698 00:34:18,677 --> 00:34:21,093 and it's toe line, could not have made that. 699 00:34:21,128 --> 00:34:23,578 But yet, these news channels, 700 00:34:23,613 --> 00:34:26,512 'cause Ray never tried to fool anybody, 701 00:34:26,547 --> 00:34:30,275 yet skeptics, when you see the tracks along the road, 702 00:34:30,309 --> 00:34:32,208 they left this flat appearance. 703 00:34:33,278 --> 00:34:36,384 Flat, flat, flat. 704 00:34:36,419 --> 00:34:39,318 Well, where's the recesses? 705 00:34:39,353 --> 00:34:41,320 This is in fine dust and dirt. 706 00:34:41,355 --> 00:34:43,391 It left flat tracks. 707 00:34:43,426 --> 00:34:44,910 Where Green and everybody stepped 708 00:34:44,944 --> 00:34:47,740 with their logging boots, their regular shoes, 709 00:34:47,775 --> 00:34:50,157 their tennis shoes, you can see the imprint 710 00:34:50,191 --> 00:34:52,400 of every sole pattern. 711 00:34:52,435 --> 00:34:54,851 This here would've left like a sponge print 712 00:34:54,885 --> 00:34:56,094 in that fine dirt. 713 00:34:56,128 --> 00:34:57,992 It would not have left a flat, 714 00:34:58,026 --> 00:35:00,926 which a pad does when you step all that weight down on it. 715 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,307 It would not have been flat, 716 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,999 and all of a sudden now they gotta think, 717 00:35:05,033 --> 00:35:09,141 "Oh gosh, we were so certain that Ray Wallace made these." 718 00:35:09,176 --> 00:35:11,592 The transfer of evidence from this pattern 719 00:35:11,626 --> 00:35:14,871 on the bottom of this foot, which they call a stomper, 720 00:35:14,905 --> 00:35:17,115 could not have made this track. 721 00:35:17,149 --> 00:35:20,601 - The claimant who seems to get the most attention 722 00:35:20,635 --> 00:35:23,259 on this point is Bob Hieronimus, 723 00:35:23,293 --> 00:35:25,606 who claimed to be the man in the first suit. 724 00:35:27,055 --> 00:35:29,817 The problem with this, the most glaring problem is, 725 00:35:29,851 --> 00:35:34,753 as he joined forces with Philip Morris, 726 00:35:34,787 --> 00:35:37,307 a famous costume designer, 727 00:35:37,342 --> 00:35:41,277 the two apparently didn't confer sufficiently 728 00:35:41,311 --> 00:35:43,141 before sharing their stories, 729 00:35:43,175 --> 00:35:47,179 because they didn't get them straight, they contradict. 730 00:35:47,214 --> 00:35:50,148 Bob Hieronimus gave a description of the costume 731 00:35:50,182 --> 00:35:55,049 that was diametrically opposed to the description 732 00:35:55,083 --> 00:35:57,155 of the costume provided by Philip Morris. 733 00:35:58,432 --> 00:36:00,641 Hieronimus describes a costume that was made 734 00:36:00,675 --> 00:36:04,196 out of a green horse hide, and talked about it 735 00:36:04,231 --> 00:36:07,475 being in two principal pieces, 736 00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:11,030 one that came over the top, like pajama tops 737 00:36:11,065 --> 00:36:13,757 but without any buttons or enclosures, 738 00:36:13,792 --> 00:36:16,864 just a piece that was probably stitched up the back, 739 00:36:16,898 --> 00:36:19,246 and a pair of stiff trousers that he wore. 740 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,834 Of course, and he had football pads he claimed 741 00:36:21,869 --> 00:36:25,148 and other padding to bulk him out a bit, 742 00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:30,188 and then a football helmet that had a fake face 743 00:36:31,534 --> 00:36:34,226 built out around it, with a single eye opening 744 00:36:34,261 --> 00:36:36,849 because Bob has one glass eye. 745 00:36:36,884 --> 00:36:40,405 They used his spare glass eye in the face of the costume 746 00:36:40,439 --> 00:36:44,236 in order to catch the glint of the sun, he claimed. 747 00:36:44,271 --> 00:36:48,033 Now, imagine walking in this unwieldy costume 748 00:36:48,067 --> 00:36:51,795 with a single port of vision, 749 00:36:51,830 --> 00:36:55,489 which he claims was a good two inches away from his eye, 750 00:36:55,523 --> 00:36:58,630 so put a little toilet paper roll up against your eye, 751 00:36:58,664 --> 00:37:00,597 and then go out there, close the other, 752 00:37:00,632 --> 00:37:05,257 and try to walk on an uneven, irregular surface. 753 00:37:05,292 --> 00:37:07,501 But if that wasn't enough, then Philip Morris 754 00:37:07,535 --> 00:37:10,055 claimed that Roger had simply purchased 755 00:37:10,089 --> 00:37:13,921 and then modified one of his off the shelf costumes. 756 00:37:18,822 --> 00:37:20,030 - These are the beginning, 757 00:37:20,065 --> 00:37:22,240 these are the cibachrome images they call 'em, 758 00:37:22,274 --> 00:37:24,932 they're the best images of the film itself. 759 00:37:24,966 --> 00:37:28,107 Here you can see the toes on the bottom of the animal. 760 00:37:28,142 --> 00:37:29,454 It's in motion. 761 00:37:29,488 --> 00:37:31,525 This foot's a little blurred, 762 00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:33,320 and here's, at the end of the stride, 763 00:37:33,354 --> 00:37:35,736 this is one of the things I always point out to people, 764 00:37:35,770 --> 00:37:38,670 notice how the foot is vertical to the ground. 765 00:37:38,704 --> 00:37:40,982 Look down here, the foot is hardly off the ground, 766 00:37:41,017 --> 00:37:43,019 it's already vertical to the ground. 767 00:37:43,053 --> 00:37:45,297 When people walk, and I explain this to folks 768 00:37:45,332 --> 00:37:47,575 that come out, even the skeptics, 769 00:37:47,610 --> 00:37:49,439 and I tell 'em, listen, when people walk, 770 00:37:49,474 --> 00:37:52,097 their feet barely come 15 degrees off the ground, 771 00:37:52,131 --> 00:37:53,581 it's like a pendulum. 772 00:37:53,616 --> 00:37:56,274 They don't lift their feet vertical, high and vertical. 773 00:37:56,308 --> 00:37:57,551 I said if you wanna try doing it, 774 00:37:57,585 --> 00:37:59,725 it's hard enough to stand that way, 775 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,313 but if you try walking that way, 776 00:38:01,348 --> 00:38:03,246 and as far as I know, no one has ever 777 00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:05,283 been able to duplicate that. 778 00:38:05,317 --> 00:38:07,906 Our bone structure just does not allow it. 779 00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:11,634 - When you have a foot that has a longitudinal arch 780 00:38:11,668 --> 00:38:14,706 as in the human, then the entire foot 781 00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:16,949 is incorporated into the lever, 782 00:38:18,123 --> 00:38:22,817 and that imposes bending stresses on the toes. 783 00:38:23,991 --> 00:38:26,304 So the human toes have gotten much shorter. 784 00:38:26,338 --> 00:38:29,721 They are there not so much for prehension 785 00:38:29,755 --> 00:38:31,447 as for traction. 786 00:38:31,481 --> 00:38:34,484 They prevent the foot from slipping back 787 00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:36,210 when we're walking and running, 788 00:38:36,244 --> 00:38:37,694 and especially the big toe. 789 00:38:37,729 --> 00:38:41,180 If we have a foot that has a mid-foot flexibility, 790 00:38:41,215 --> 00:38:44,805 then when the heel comes up, like this, 791 00:38:44,839 --> 00:38:47,842 the weight's not concentrated under the ball of the foot, 792 00:38:47,877 --> 00:38:50,362 instead it's under the entire mid-foot. 793 00:38:50,397 --> 00:38:53,745 - The biomechanical foot, and there's anthropology studies 794 00:38:53,779 --> 00:38:56,575 in scientific journals that talk about this. 795 00:38:56,610 --> 00:38:59,233 When the foot is in motion, it flexes. 796 00:38:59,267 --> 00:39:00,752 There are things that take place, 797 00:39:00,786 --> 00:39:04,307 and these toes, for instance, when you go to bend your foot, 798 00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:07,103 that Sasquatch has what we call a midtarsal break. 799 00:39:08,622 --> 00:39:12,039 [eerie percussive music] 800 00:39:39,515 --> 00:39:41,724 The ankle's back here and right in front of it 801 00:39:41,758 --> 00:39:43,898 is actually where it bends its foot. 802 00:39:43,933 --> 00:39:47,695 You can see it in the film, you see it in the footprints. 803 00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:48,972 The ball of the foot was deeper 804 00:39:49,007 --> 00:39:50,698 and of course the toes are always deeper 805 00:39:50,733 --> 00:39:53,391 because by then, all of the weight of the animal 806 00:39:53,425 --> 00:39:56,601 has come forward, this part's lifted off the ground, 807 00:39:56,635 --> 00:40:01,191 and you got everything, and your toes work like hydraulics. 808 00:40:01,226 --> 00:40:04,022 You got muscles and tendons pressing down, 809 00:40:04,056 --> 00:40:07,474 and now you've got 800,000 pounds. 810 00:40:07,508 --> 00:40:09,993 Instead of being scattered over the whole foot, 811 00:40:10,028 --> 00:40:11,443 you've got it on the front of the foot, 812 00:40:11,478 --> 00:40:13,065 then you got it on the toes last, 813 00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:15,240 and they sink in the deepest of the whole track. 814 00:40:15,274 --> 00:40:18,519 Here's a picture of 2005, 815 00:40:18,554 --> 00:40:22,178 where me and the watchmen of 20 Mile Bay 816 00:40:22,212 --> 00:40:23,835 made it up to the top of a mountain 817 00:40:23,869 --> 00:40:26,493 that had a growed over switchback on it. 818 00:40:26,527 --> 00:40:28,943 I walked over, and this track was there. 819 00:40:28,978 --> 00:40:32,395 Again, the big heel, didn't even press here, 820 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:35,847 the ball, and the bulbous toes. 821 00:40:35,881 --> 00:40:38,090 It even reached a certain depth of dampness 822 00:40:38,125 --> 00:40:39,575 'cause this had had water in it 823 00:40:39,609 --> 00:40:41,300 and the air dries it out, but the farther down, 824 00:40:41,335 --> 00:40:43,199 the deep, you get into the moisture. 825 00:40:43,233 --> 00:40:45,546 This is my footprint after I'd filmed it. 826 00:40:45,581 --> 00:40:47,134 I'm a pretty big guy. 827 00:40:47,168 --> 00:40:50,413 I took my foot for scale and put it right alongside of it. 828 00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:52,588 I have a pointed heel, as people do, 829 00:40:52,622 --> 00:40:54,279 our heels are much narrower than the big 830 00:40:54,313 --> 00:40:56,695 rounded heel of a Sasquatch. 831 00:40:57,972 --> 00:41:00,354 Many years later, I'm talkin' to John Green, 832 00:41:00,388 --> 00:41:02,287 and he allows me to see some of his pictures 833 00:41:02,321 --> 00:41:06,256 from Blue Creek Mountain taken in the summer of 1967. 834 00:41:07,395 --> 00:41:11,434 This is the tracks, the 15 and 13 inch track 835 00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:14,126 where they crossed each other's paths at one point, 836 00:41:14,161 --> 00:41:18,268 and by golly, the heel stepped, the foot cupped, 837 00:41:18,303 --> 00:41:20,616 it looked like it rolled over onto the ball, 838 00:41:20,650 --> 00:41:23,653 and the toes imprinted into the ground right here. 839 00:41:23,688 --> 00:41:27,415 And that is exactly what happened in 2005, 840 00:41:27,450 --> 00:41:29,176 'cause I was always bothered by why 841 00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:31,523 it didn't press the middle. 842 00:41:31,558 --> 00:41:33,939 I've seen the midtarsal breaks 843 00:41:33,974 --> 00:41:36,632 like you see in the Patterson film, 844 00:41:36,666 --> 00:41:40,946 where the foot bends and the large part of the ball 845 00:41:40,981 --> 00:41:43,639 of the foot, back towards the heel, 846 00:41:43,673 --> 00:41:46,193 pushes this dirt back and you get this mound, 847 00:41:46,227 --> 00:41:49,368 this ridge across the track back by the heel. 848 00:41:50,577 --> 00:41:52,717 So that's another sign of a real working foot. 849 00:41:52,751 --> 00:41:55,443 - I mean, you look at an example like this big male, 850 00:41:55,478 --> 00:41:56,686 big, heavy male, and look at that, 851 00:41:56,721 --> 00:41:59,171 there's no differential pressure there. 852 00:41:59,206 --> 00:42:01,795 There's a little bit across this point here, 853 00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:05,661 but there's no indication of an arch, it's flat. 854 00:42:05,695 --> 00:42:08,664 And that assists in the distribution of weight 855 00:42:08,698 --> 00:42:13,703 through more surface area, given their much greater mass, 856 00:42:14,842 --> 00:42:16,326 which is a cube of the linear dimensions, 857 00:42:16,361 --> 00:42:18,156 remember, the volume. 858 00:42:19,571 --> 00:42:24,231 So, the Sasquatch foot walks through a step cycle 859 00:42:25,404 --> 00:42:28,235 in a much different manner than we do. 860 00:42:28,269 --> 00:42:32,342 Given their long toes, and their shorter legs, 861 00:42:32,377 --> 00:42:35,898 they also have a tendency to have a high stepping gait, 862 00:42:37,002 --> 00:42:38,279 which is also an advantage when you're 863 00:42:38,314 --> 00:42:41,800 walking through rough and irregular terrain. 864 00:42:41,835 --> 00:42:45,770 We get trained walking on sidewalks and flat floors 865 00:42:45,804 --> 00:42:50,809 to barely lift our foot at sufficient to clear our toes 866 00:42:51,948 --> 00:42:56,228 on that featureless, flat surface. 867 00:42:56,263 --> 00:42:57,851 When you go out hiking, you find 868 00:42:57,885 --> 00:43:00,612 you have to adjust a little bit. 869 00:43:00,647 --> 00:43:02,062 Or, if you're walking down the sidewalk 870 00:43:02,096 --> 00:43:05,721 and the two sections of sidewalk are slightly askew 871 00:43:05,755 --> 00:43:08,309 due to frost heave or something or a root, 872 00:43:08,344 --> 00:43:11,899 boom, you can trip over just a quarter inch of difference. 873 00:43:11,934 --> 00:43:14,212 That's because we're so efficient, 874 00:43:14,246 --> 00:43:18,803 we minimize the amount of muscle effort to swing our foot. 875 00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:21,391 In contrast to that, Patty seems 876 00:43:21,426 --> 00:43:24,394 to be walking through tall grass, 877 00:43:24,429 --> 00:43:26,155 even though she's walking on the sand bar, 878 00:43:26,189 --> 00:43:29,848 because her typical substrate that she's walking through 879 00:43:29,883 --> 00:43:33,576 is brush and scrub and grass. 880 00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:37,338 - In the film, if you do stabilization of the creature, 881 00:43:37,373 --> 00:43:40,272 you can see it had finger movement, it had wrist movement. 882 00:43:40,307 --> 00:43:42,585 It bent at the elbows. 883 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:44,932 You put a man in a suit, because the arms are so long, 884 00:43:44,967 --> 00:43:47,555 people say, "Well maybe he was using sticks to," 885 00:43:47,590 --> 00:43:49,696 I think that Hieronimus or somebody suggested this. 886 00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:51,076 Bob Hieronimus said it was the last guy 887 00:43:51,111 --> 00:43:53,044 who claimed to be in a suit, 888 00:43:53,078 --> 00:43:55,253 possibly used some sort of sticks or apparatus 889 00:43:55,287 --> 00:43:57,117 even though Hieronimus in his story, 890 00:43:57,151 --> 00:43:59,050 which I don't believe a word of, 891 00:43:59,084 --> 00:44:01,017 he said he slipped his hands in the gloves. 892 00:44:01,052 --> 00:44:05,263 But the problem is, he's 5'10" or so, he's under six feet, 893 00:44:05,297 --> 00:44:10,026 and when we bend, then our arms have to bend at the elbow. 894 00:44:10,061 --> 00:44:12,028 Our wrists happen to bend here. 895 00:44:12,063 --> 00:44:14,444 In order to get as wide as the back was, 896 00:44:14,479 --> 00:44:15,653 like Grover Krantz said once, 897 00:44:15,687 --> 00:44:17,413 you'd have to hold your arms up to the side 898 00:44:17,447 --> 00:44:19,691 to the elbows to get the shoulder width, 899 00:44:19,726 --> 00:44:21,175 then you got this, so then you gotta use 900 00:44:21,210 --> 00:44:23,315 some apparatus to swing the arms. 901 00:44:24,489 --> 00:44:27,734 But these bend, 'cause you can see in the film. 902 00:44:27,768 --> 00:44:29,770 In the original film, people saw it, 903 00:44:29,805 --> 00:44:31,599 you could see the muscle movement. 904 00:44:31,634 --> 00:44:33,947 It's one thing to try to make a fake suit 905 00:44:33,981 --> 00:44:35,534 look like it's got muscles, 906 00:44:35,569 --> 00:44:38,123 or even make a muscle look like it moves, 907 00:44:38,158 --> 00:44:41,264 but these muscles in the film work off of each other. 908 00:44:41,299 --> 00:44:43,094 They fire in a certain sequence. 909 00:44:43,128 --> 00:44:45,613 When we all walk, we bend our elbows. 910 00:44:45,648 --> 00:44:48,340 When we move, everything works in a certain sequence 911 00:44:48,375 --> 00:44:49,756 off the other. 912 00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:52,103 To make something mechanical that could do all that 913 00:44:52,137 --> 00:44:56,452 and mimic perfectly nature, it's ridiculous. 914 00:44:56,486 --> 00:44:58,730 It wasn't even really available at the time. 915 00:44:58,765 --> 00:45:00,698 But then, furthermore, a few years ago 916 00:45:00,732 --> 00:45:03,597 National Geographic for the first time in history, 917 00:45:03,631 --> 00:45:06,496 they did a study where they used science. 918 00:45:06,531 --> 00:45:09,292 They used photogrammetry and optic measuring. 919 00:45:09,327 --> 00:45:11,950 That's where you can take mathematics, 920 00:45:11,985 --> 00:45:15,609 you take the lens the size that Patterson used. 921 00:45:15,643 --> 00:45:17,438 You can take known measurements 922 00:45:17,473 --> 00:45:19,130 that were taken on the film site, 923 00:45:19,164 --> 00:45:20,752 you can take a film frame 924 00:45:20,787 --> 00:45:22,616 and you can tell distances to everything, 925 00:45:22,650 --> 00:45:24,135 the size of everything. 926 00:45:24,169 --> 00:45:26,793 This animal, in it's stooped, walking posture 927 00:45:26,827 --> 00:45:29,865 from the ground, top of its head, leaning forward, 928 00:45:29,899 --> 00:45:33,489 deep knee bends, seven feet six inches high. 929 00:45:33,523 --> 00:45:35,284 That put all the six foot high guys 930 00:45:35,318 --> 00:45:37,182 out of the running as far as I'm concerned. 931 00:45:37,217 --> 00:45:40,772 That means standing erect, if it would stand straight up, 932 00:45:40,807 --> 00:45:42,498 you could figure at least another six inches, 933 00:45:42,532 --> 00:45:44,155 put it up around eight feet. 934 00:45:44,189 --> 00:45:47,572 They went on to say that only one out of 100 million 935 00:45:47,606 --> 00:45:51,749 human beings reach the height of eight feet tall, 936 00:45:51,783 --> 00:45:54,165 and those that do have noted abnormalities 937 00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:55,994 in their walking gait. 938 00:45:56,029 --> 00:45:58,997 This creature walked like it was in its birthday suit. 939 00:45:59,032 --> 00:46:01,482 When Roger got behind it and it was walking away 940 00:46:01,517 --> 00:46:04,451 up the valley, you could see the space between its legs. 941 00:46:04,485 --> 00:46:06,798 - This creature was, it had shoulders 942 00:46:06,833 --> 00:46:09,801 that were a good 36 inches apart, 943 00:46:09,836 --> 00:46:12,321 and the pelvis was as well. 944 00:46:12,355 --> 00:46:15,462 - When I wrote my article, "Who's Hoaxing Who 945 00:46:15,496 --> 00:46:17,395 in the Making of Bigfoot", I showed a guy 946 00:46:17,429 --> 00:46:19,846 an attack dog suit all padded up. 947 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,813 He waddled like a penguin, 948 00:46:21,848 --> 00:46:25,265 because your legs are so bulked, they rub together. 949 00:46:25,299 --> 00:46:27,888 You don't have that freedom of motion when you walk. 950 00:46:27,923 --> 00:46:29,752 This creature did. 951 00:46:29,787 --> 00:46:31,098 Eight feet tall. 952 00:46:31,133 --> 00:46:32,720 When you get up over eight feet tall, 953 00:46:32,755 --> 00:46:33,998 you're getting up around the world, 954 00:46:34,032 --> 00:46:35,896 Guinness World Book of Records. 955 00:46:35,931 --> 00:46:38,485 And you're talking about people who need apparatuses 956 00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:40,694 to hold themselves steady as they walk, 957 00:46:40,728 --> 00:46:42,627 'cause their muscles are so taxed, 958 00:46:42,661 --> 00:46:45,009 their joints, they're usually lock-kneed, 959 00:46:45,043 --> 00:46:46,251 the knees are turned in, 960 00:46:46,286 --> 00:46:49,116 they have a hard time motoring along. 961 00:46:49,151 --> 00:46:52,050 This thing walked away like it was pedaling a bicycle. 962 00:46:52,085 --> 00:46:53,500 People look at that film, they go, 963 00:46:53,534 --> 00:46:55,088 "Yeah, it walks like a man." 964 00:46:55,122 --> 00:46:57,504 But the Russian scientists that looked at it 965 00:46:57,538 --> 00:46:59,713 and biomechanics experts in the early '70s 966 00:46:59,747 --> 00:47:02,302 went ahead and took it Russia. 967 00:47:02,336 --> 00:47:03,717 When they watched the film, 968 00:47:03,751 --> 00:47:05,753 these are guys that had the Russian Olympic, 969 00:47:05,788 --> 00:47:07,859 they were training the Russian Olympians, 970 00:47:07,894 --> 00:47:11,173 they realized that this thing walks like somebody 971 00:47:11,207 --> 00:47:14,417 who cross skis, cross country skis. 972 00:47:14,452 --> 00:47:16,350 They said no one walks like that, 973 00:47:16,385 --> 00:47:17,869 and they were absolutely right. 974 00:47:17,904 --> 00:47:20,423 - The biggest obstacle to the continuing research 975 00:47:20,458 --> 00:47:24,393 in this field, is the community itself. 976 00:47:24,427 --> 00:47:27,879 You've heard it referred to as the Sasquatch community. 977 00:47:27,914 --> 00:47:31,055 In the United States, you call it the Bigfoot community. 978 00:47:31,089 --> 00:47:32,608 They're their own worst enemy. 979 00:47:34,058 --> 00:47:35,783 More than anything, the whole field 980 00:47:35,818 --> 00:47:37,855 now resembles more like an asylum 981 00:47:37,889 --> 00:47:40,064 that's being taken over by the inmates. 982 00:47:40,098 --> 00:47:42,066 - I wanna say something that is different 983 00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:44,723 from anything else in this room, okay. 984 00:47:44,758 --> 00:47:47,174 We will not find evidence, it is my belief, 985 00:47:47,209 --> 00:47:50,764 of Bigfoot, although we will see Bigfoot from time to time. 986 00:47:50,798 --> 00:47:52,904 At this precise point in the universe, 987 00:47:52,939 --> 00:47:55,527 there are three or four other earths 988 00:47:55,562 --> 00:47:59,083 functioning at different energy frequencies or dimensions. 989 00:47:59,117 --> 00:48:01,706 Bigfoot lives in one of those dimensions. 990 00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:04,053 It is a non-violent form of life. 991 00:48:04,088 --> 00:48:06,814 It eats plant food, but it does have enemies. 992 00:48:06,849 --> 00:48:09,403 Several of the enemies are quite larger than Bigfoot, 993 00:48:09,438 --> 00:48:11,923 and then there's little packs like wild dogs. 994 00:48:11,958 --> 00:48:13,683 When Bigfoot encounters them, 995 00:48:13,718 --> 00:48:16,307 Bigfoot has the capability of changing 996 00:48:16,341 --> 00:48:18,965 the energy frequency of its body form. 997 00:48:18,999 --> 00:48:22,416 Sometimes, it's like having a radiostat here and dialing. 998 00:48:22,451 --> 00:48:25,178 Sometimes he ends up here on planet earth, 999 00:48:25,212 --> 00:48:29,044 and he's here, stabilizes for a short period of time, 1000 00:48:29,078 --> 00:48:32,737 and then what occurs is, he dials himself back 1001 00:48:32,771 --> 00:48:34,912 and goes back to his other frequency. 1002 00:48:34,946 --> 00:48:38,156 This is an explanation of why everybody says they see him, 1003 00:48:38,191 --> 00:48:42,781 but these people over here are saying there is no evidence. 1004 00:48:42,816 --> 00:48:44,922 - I'm Peter Watts, and I wonder if someone 1005 00:48:44,956 --> 00:48:48,028 actually killed one, and it was in these dimension, 1006 00:48:48,063 --> 00:48:50,375 would it just disappear after it died? 1007 00:48:50,410 --> 00:48:52,136 Or would it stay there? 1008 00:48:52,170 --> 00:48:53,206 [laughing] 1009 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:54,448 - That's the word that we had. 1010 00:48:54,483 --> 00:48:56,968 If one died here, they would also move it-- 1011 00:48:57,003 --> 00:49:00,972 - People going around spoutin' all kinds of rubbish 1012 00:49:01,007 --> 00:49:03,871 and nonsense and taking all kinds of hoaxing 1013 00:49:03,906 --> 00:49:08,324 and fake footage and fake reports, 1014 00:49:08,359 --> 00:49:11,707 getting it all on YouTube and the internet, 1015 00:49:11,741 --> 00:49:13,674 which has not helped matters at all. 1016 00:49:14,986 --> 00:49:17,471 It's put the whole question into the realm 1017 00:49:17,506 --> 00:49:19,715 of what you would call tabloid research. 1018 00:49:20,992 --> 00:49:22,200 - [Woman] Straight ahead. 1019 00:49:24,030 --> 00:49:28,551 No. [dramatic orchestral music] 1020 00:49:38,009 --> 00:49:41,081 - [Reporter] On Thursday, August 20th, around nine a.m., 1021 00:49:41,116 --> 00:49:43,221 Paul says he drove deep into the Blue Mountains 1022 00:49:43,256 --> 00:49:46,638 of northern Oregon, to a place called Deeduck Springs 1023 00:49:46,673 --> 00:49:48,537 at the Umatilla National Forest. 1024 00:49:48,571 --> 00:49:51,747 - Well I just drove up to the pond here, 1025 00:49:53,231 --> 00:49:58,236 and I know they frequent this area in August and September. 1026 00:50:00,169 --> 00:50:02,447 I just got out of my little car 1027 00:50:02,482 --> 00:50:03,931 and walked around over here, 1028 00:50:05,312 --> 00:50:09,454 and there was tracks here in the mud. 1029 00:50:09,489 --> 00:50:12,216 I think it was gonna get a drink or, 1030 00:50:12,250 --> 00:50:15,253 I don't know, maybe it was gonna cross there or somethin'. 1031 00:50:15,288 --> 00:50:17,255 But anyway, I must've scared it. 1032 00:50:18,739 --> 00:50:20,948 - [Reporter] Freeman says he's been searching 1033 00:50:20,983 --> 00:50:22,433 for the legendary Sasquatch in the woods 1034 00:50:22,467 --> 00:50:25,194 near the Millcreek Watershed near his Walla Walla home 1035 00:50:25,229 --> 00:50:27,024 for the last 10 years. 1036 00:50:27,058 --> 00:50:30,958 In October of 1988, his son Dwayne got snapshots. 1037 00:50:30,993 --> 00:50:33,513 In April of this year, Paul got video from a distance 1038 00:50:33,547 --> 00:50:37,413 of around 69 feet, this time, camera in hand, 1039 00:50:37,448 --> 00:50:39,070 he was a whole lot closer. 1040 00:50:39,105 --> 00:50:40,899 - I started up the bank there 1041 00:50:40,934 --> 00:50:45,387 and I heard brush and stuff popping up there. 1042 00:50:45,421 --> 00:50:47,561 Pretty good little tracks. 1043 00:50:50,875 --> 00:50:52,428 There's a good one. 1044 00:50:52,463 --> 00:50:55,604 [eerie ambient music] 1045 00:50:58,538 --> 00:51:00,747 Right up this little trail. 1046 00:51:01,610 --> 00:51:04,233 Right up there is my view, yeah. 1047 00:51:06,649 --> 00:51:09,652 I'm gonna make up some plaster here. 1048 00:51:11,482 --> 00:51:12,897 Got my cast made. 1049 00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:25,116 There's two exits between, 1050 00:51:25,151 --> 00:51:26,324 it's dry there. 1051 00:51:32,123 --> 00:51:33,849 I hear the brush popping and stuff. 1052 00:51:40,407 --> 00:51:42,064 Oh, there he goes. 1053 00:52:06,606 --> 00:52:08,125 Oh, there he goes. 1054 00:52:12,025 --> 00:52:13,785 It looked at me once. 1055 00:52:14,855 --> 00:52:16,271 Jesus. 1056 00:52:16,305 --> 00:52:19,205 I kinda got a little nervous when it looked at me, 1057 00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,931 then it turned and just kept on going, 1058 00:52:21,966 --> 00:52:24,520 and went into the brush there and disappeared. 1059 00:52:24,555 --> 00:52:26,177 I was lookin' for it with the camera, 1060 00:52:26,212 --> 00:52:29,698 and I seen another one, smaller, coming at me up there. 1061 00:52:33,702 --> 00:52:34,530 Oh god. 1062 00:52:38,569 --> 00:52:41,019 There's two of 'em, I guess. 1063 00:52:41,054 --> 00:52:42,159 - [Reporter] After the incident, 1064 00:52:42,193 --> 00:52:43,850 Freeman says he heard screams 1065 00:52:43,884 --> 00:52:45,990 from the direction of the creatures 1066 00:52:46,024 --> 00:52:48,924 that kept him pinned down for almost two hours, 1067 00:52:48,958 --> 00:52:51,720 screams he says he did not record. 1068 00:52:51,754 --> 00:52:54,274 - I ain't never been scared like I was scared yesterday. 1069 00:52:58,140 --> 00:53:00,936 I never have been afraid of man or beast or anything, 1070 00:53:02,144 --> 00:53:04,215 but I set up there yesterday and, 1071 00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:05,941 cowered down like a little kid. 1072 00:53:07,045 --> 00:53:09,462 - [Reporter] Is Bigfoot fact, or fiction? 1073 00:53:09,496 --> 00:53:11,395 - I really got upset. 1074 00:53:11,429 --> 00:53:14,225 - [Man] This is a first alleged scream, 1075 00:53:14,260 --> 00:53:16,710 unknown scream which some people think 1076 00:53:16,745 --> 00:53:18,229 may have come from a Sasquatch. 1077 00:53:18,264 --> 00:53:21,957 It was recorded by a Sergeant Kenny Cooper 1078 00:53:22,992 --> 00:53:24,994 as he was patrolling in the area 1079 00:53:25,029 --> 00:53:28,239 of the Chief Mountain Road in Washington state 1080 00:53:28,274 --> 00:53:32,623 on the eve of November, 1975. 1081 00:53:34,349 --> 00:53:36,696 [screaming] 1082 00:53:55,024 --> 00:53:58,200 [eerie chiming music] 1083 00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:06,001 - Another interesting one happened at Ruby Creek in 1941 1084 00:54:06,035 --> 00:54:08,590 that's unique because Jeanny Chapman, 1085 00:54:08,624 --> 00:54:10,799 who lived on a farm there, 1086 00:54:10,833 --> 00:54:12,973 again the road only went up to Ruby Creek 1087 00:54:13,008 --> 00:54:15,907 and then beyond a couple miles was her farm. 1088 00:54:15,942 --> 00:54:17,184 You had to go through the forest 1089 00:54:17,219 --> 00:54:18,393 or down the railroad tracks, 1090 00:54:18,427 --> 00:54:20,257 that's the only thing that could take you 1091 00:54:20,291 --> 00:54:22,259 in that direction, was the railroad at that time. 1092 00:54:22,293 --> 00:54:24,295 - [Reporter] By 1956, there had been several 1093 00:54:24,330 --> 00:54:26,918 such reported sightings, which had been reported 1094 00:54:26,953 --> 00:54:29,162 in small local newspapers. 1095 00:54:29,196 --> 00:54:31,578 Mr. John Green, publisher of a newspaper 1096 00:54:31,613 --> 00:54:34,271 at Harrison Hot Springs, British Columbia, 1097 00:54:34,305 --> 00:54:37,204 began investigating some of these sightings. 1098 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,621 Here is John Green to report on a sighting 1099 00:54:39,655 --> 00:54:41,726 he investigated in 1957. 1100 00:54:41,761 --> 00:54:45,040 - When I first came here in about 1957, 1101 00:54:45,074 --> 00:54:47,353 it was still pretty well open, 1102 00:54:47,387 --> 00:54:49,872 but all this has grown up since then. 1103 00:54:51,598 --> 00:54:54,532 What happened at that time was that 1104 00:54:54,567 --> 00:54:57,604 Mrs. George Chapman lived in a house 1105 00:54:57,639 --> 00:54:59,848 down by the river behind me here. 1106 00:55:01,401 --> 00:55:04,956 She was in the house, and the children were outside. 1107 00:55:04,991 --> 00:55:07,165 One of them came in and told her that there was a cow 1108 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,272 coming out of the woods, so she looked out 1109 00:55:10,307 --> 00:55:14,932 and she saw this man-like thing, about eight feet tall 1110 00:55:14,966 --> 00:55:17,348 and completely covered with hair like a bear. 1111 00:55:19,246 --> 00:55:21,835 She knew it to be a Sasquatch, 1112 00:55:21,870 --> 00:55:26,875 and this was quite a well known thing to the Indian people, 1113 00:55:28,325 --> 00:55:29,774 and she was frightened, so she took the children, 1114 00:55:29,809 --> 00:55:31,983 ran down to the river, and then through the graveyard, 1115 00:55:32,018 --> 00:55:33,571 which is right behind me here, 1116 00:55:34,952 --> 00:55:38,127 and came out just about here onto the track, 1117 00:55:38,162 --> 00:55:40,889 and then ran on down to Ruby Creek. 1118 00:55:42,442 --> 00:55:46,377 She'd really only had one quick look at the thing, 1119 00:55:46,412 --> 00:55:49,967 so it wouldn't be that convincing a story 1120 00:55:50,001 --> 00:55:53,557 except that a lot of people immediately went back there 1121 00:55:53,591 --> 00:55:55,731 and saw these enormous tracks. 1122 00:55:55,766 --> 00:55:58,872 Mr. Tyfting, of course, was one of them, 1123 00:55:58,907 --> 00:56:01,772 and can describe what the tracks are like 1124 00:56:01,806 --> 00:56:02,842 and what they did. 1125 00:56:05,189 --> 00:56:08,675 - Well, he came through the bush, into the shed, 1126 00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:11,437 or the lean to of the house, 1127 00:56:11,471 --> 00:56:15,233 and there was a bowl of dried fish or smoked salmon, rotted, 1128 00:56:16,407 --> 00:56:19,203 and he broke the bowl and there was some fish 1129 00:56:19,237 --> 00:56:21,792 eaten there and thrown around, 1130 00:56:21,826 --> 00:56:24,381 and then he went down the riverbank, 1131 00:56:25,727 --> 00:56:28,592 and apparently took a drink and then come back up 1132 00:56:28,626 --> 00:56:33,424 on the other side the house, through the garden patch, 1133 00:56:33,459 --> 00:56:36,496 and up to this here fence, and stepped 1134 00:56:36,531 --> 00:56:38,981 with one foot on outside of him 1135 00:56:39,016 --> 00:56:42,226 and one foot on this side the fence, 1136 00:56:42,260 --> 00:56:44,366 and walked right over it. 1137 00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:49,647 The footprints were about 18 inches, 1138 00:56:51,856 --> 00:56:53,375 and then he went across there 1139 00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:56,240 and over to the next fence there, 1140 00:56:56,274 --> 00:56:58,380 and went right up the hillside. 1141 00:57:01,279 --> 00:57:03,420 That's as far as we could follow it. 1142 00:57:03,454 --> 00:57:06,595 - Hi, my name is John Green, 1143 00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:11,289 and I've been studying Sasquatch since 1957. 1144 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,123 Custodian at the local high school 1145 00:57:17,157 --> 00:57:20,885 was named as somebody investigating and report it 1146 00:57:22,473 --> 00:57:24,820 a little farther up the railroad, 1147 00:57:24,855 --> 00:57:28,928 and the Indian lady came looking for her husband, 1148 00:57:28,962 --> 00:57:31,586 who was workin' on the section then. 1149 00:57:33,691 --> 00:57:34,520 And said that, 1150 00:57:36,418 --> 00:57:38,696 this monster had come out of the woods, right, 1151 00:57:40,318 --> 00:57:43,321 went walking towards her house she was in. 1152 00:57:44,668 --> 00:57:46,117 - [Interviewer] You're talking about Mrs. Chapman? 1153 00:57:46,152 --> 00:57:46,980 - Yes. 1154 00:57:47,947 --> 00:57:51,675 [dramatic orchestral music] 1155 00:58:05,067 --> 00:58:06,724 - Here's a track, and I showed you one up on the mountain, 1156 00:58:06,759 --> 00:58:08,519 the miles I found. 1157 00:58:08,554 --> 00:58:11,695 Here's a track that ended up in Ruby Creek, 1158 00:58:11,729 --> 00:58:15,561 the same year Archibald happened in late September. 1159 00:58:15,595 --> 00:58:17,045 A guy by the name of Mark Quarton, 1160 00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:20,186 and Mark was in Ruby Creek huntin' by himself, 1161 00:58:20,220 --> 00:58:22,084 and as he got down by the bog area 1162 00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:25,536 where a lot of the game is, 1163 00:58:26,744 --> 00:58:30,507 geese and ducks are down that way, a lotta water. 1164 00:58:30,541 --> 00:58:32,025 He says he got near one of the bogs, 1165 00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:33,855 he noticed something out of the corner of his eye, 1166 00:58:33,889 --> 00:58:36,340 and he turned, and coming down at an angle, 1167 00:58:36,374 --> 00:58:40,033 a large stone hit the bog right near where he was at. 1168 00:58:41,414 --> 00:58:44,624 It splashed him through the wall of shrubbery 1169 00:58:44,659 --> 00:58:47,903 along there, the water was such a splash 1170 00:58:47,938 --> 00:58:49,526 that it got him wet. 1171 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,700 He thought he walked up on a hunter's location. 1172 00:58:51,735 --> 00:58:54,116 He stepped forward and he looked through, 1173 00:58:54,151 --> 00:58:56,015 apologized or whatever he had on his mind. 1174 00:58:56,049 --> 00:58:57,637 He looked through, and all he saw 1175 00:58:57,672 --> 00:59:00,226 was an upright figure walking away through the bush, 1176 00:59:00,260 --> 00:59:03,332 but he could only see the outline of something dark. 1177 00:59:03,367 --> 00:59:04,782 He didn't think it was really tall, 1178 00:59:04,817 --> 00:59:06,577 like it was only maybe six feet tall, 1179 00:59:06,612 --> 00:59:08,337 six and a half feet tall. 1180 00:59:08,372 --> 00:59:11,789 Mark's 6'4", but he became unnerved 1181 00:59:11,824 --> 00:59:13,584 so he got the heck outta there. 1182 00:59:13,619 --> 00:59:15,103 First of all, would you speak 1183 00:59:15,137 --> 00:59:16,035 your full name, please. 1184 00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:18,520 - [Mark] First name, Mark. Last name, Quarton. 1185 00:59:18,555 --> 00:59:20,971 - [Bill] Do you wish you identity to be kept confidential? 1186 00:59:21,005 --> 00:59:21,834 - [Mark] No. 1187 00:59:23,076 --> 00:59:24,319 I don't care. 1188 00:59:24,353 --> 00:59:25,976 - [Bill] What is your occupation? 1189 00:59:26,010 --> 00:59:27,909 - [Mark] I'm a gas fitter. 1190 00:59:29,704 --> 00:59:31,291 - [Bill] Do you wear corrective lenses? 1191 00:59:31,326 --> 00:59:32,154 - [Mark] No. 1192 00:59:33,086 --> 00:59:34,087 - [Bill] How old are you? 1193 00:59:34,122 --> 00:59:35,399 - [Mark] 30. 1194 00:59:35,433 --> 00:59:37,712 - [Bill] Now, first question is, 1195 00:59:37,746 --> 00:59:39,610 just tell me generally the story. 1196 00:59:39,645 --> 00:59:40,715 Tell me what happened. 1197 00:59:41,923 --> 00:59:43,821 - [Mark] I was talking down this road 1198 00:59:43,856 --> 00:59:46,652 up at Ruby Crrek, this marshy area. 1199 00:59:48,274 --> 00:59:50,483 Moving real slow, keeping an eye on the bush, 1200 00:59:50,517 --> 00:59:52,209 looking for deer and bear. 1201 00:59:53,624 --> 00:59:55,799 Caught a glimpse of something black 1202 00:59:55,833 --> 00:59:58,318 out of the corner of my eye moving. 1203 00:59:58,353 --> 00:59:59,216 No sound at that point. 1204 00:59:59,250 --> 01:00:00,666 Just something moving. 1205 01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:05,394 So I quickly spun mainly just my upper body towards it. 1206 01:00:06,637 --> 01:00:10,952 Saw a rock 12 to 15 feet off the ground, 1207 01:00:12,091 --> 01:00:14,334 kind of arching down towards me. 1208 01:00:16,371 --> 01:00:17,268 Landed in the bog. 1209 01:00:17,303 --> 01:00:18,545 Seemed like right next to me, 1210 01:00:18,580 --> 01:00:21,031 but I don't know where in that bog it landed, 1211 01:00:21,065 --> 01:00:22,929 but it seemed like it was right there. 1212 01:00:24,862 --> 01:00:27,589 So I paused and started going through the motions 1213 01:00:27,624 --> 01:00:32,490 in my head, thinking where could it have come from, and, 1214 01:00:35,252 --> 01:00:36,322 a bunch of things went through my head, 1215 01:00:36,356 --> 01:00:37,737 but nothing really made sense. 1216 01:00:37,772 --> 01:00:40,153 So I kind of, I backed up a little bit, 1217 01:00:40,188 --> 01:00:42,500 and I was looking at this grove of trees. 1218 01:00:43,812 --> 01:00:45,400 I saw something black kind of move 1219 01:00:45,434 --> 01:00:47,885 and then it took off like a rocket. 1220 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,130 My first impression, holy shit. 1221 01:00:51,164 --> 01:00:52,338 [laughing] 1222 01:00:52,372 --> 01:00:54,720 And then I started thinking 1223 01:00:54,754 --> 01:00:56,445 that I had walked through somebody's, 1224 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,516 under somebody's tree and they were whipping a rock 1225 01:00:58,551 --> 01:01:00,415 at me to get me to take off. 1226 01:01:00,449 --> 01:01:03,004 I thought at first a person threw a rock at me, 1227 01:01:03,038 --> 01:01:04,799 but then I saw something take off into the bush 1228 01:01:04,833 --> 01:01:06,904 and there was no way that was a man. 1229 01:01:06,939 --> 01:01:08,837 - [Bill] How did you react when you first saw it? 1230 01:01:08,872 --> 01:01:10,114 - [Mark] I froze. 1231 01:01:10,149 --> 01:01:11,357 - He wanted to go out there and see 1232 01:01:11,391 --> 01:01:13,739 what the heck threw this rock at him. 1233 01:01:13,773 --> 01:01:16,569 The rock was about 18 inches long, 1234 01:01:16,603 --> 01:01:17,743 and about half as, 1235 01:01:18,916 --> 01:01:22,195 it was as tall as half the length of the rock. 1236 01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:24,542 One of the things he told me during the conversation 1237 01:01:24,577 --> 01:01:28,132 was that the way it was spiraling, 1238 01:01:28,167 --> 01:01:29,444 I thought that was kinda, I said, "Spiraling? 1239 01:01:29,478 --> 01:01:31,515 "You mean like throwing a football?" 1240 01:01:31,549 --> 01:01:32,999 "Yeah, yeah, spiraling like that, 1241 01:01:33,034 --> 01:01:34,932 "it was rotating, fast." 1242 01:01:34,967 --> 01:01:37,176 So quickly, I asked him before he could even think, 1243 01:01:37,210 --> 01:01:38,695 I said, "Which way was it spinning?" 1244 01:01:38,729 --> 01:01:43,044 And without hesitation, he says, "Towards me, forward." 1245 01:01:43,078 --> 01:01:44,286 I said, "That's a good answer." 1246 01:01:44,321 --> 01:01:46,288 He says, "Why, what difference that make?" 1247 01:01:46,323 --> 01:01:49,878 Primates can throw underhand, they can't throw overhand, 1248 01:01:49,913 --> 01:01:52,053 and when you flip something underhand, 1249 01:01:52,087 --> 01:01:54,124 you start the rotation going forward, 1250 01:01:54,158 --> 01:01:56,195 a ball or anything, it's rolling forward. 1251 01:01:56,229 --> 01:01:59,785 I picked up a rock half the size of what he described. 1252 01:01:59,819 --> 01:02:02,304 I tried throwing it across this narrow logging road, 1253 01:02:02,339 --> 01:02:05,894 it never got over my head and I barely got it seven feet. 1254 01:02:05,929 --> 01:02:08,586 This thing threw a rock from 40 feet across a bog, 1255 01:02:08,621 --> 01:02:10,416 and when he turned, he says, 1256 01:02:10,450 --> 01:02:12,383 "It was just about a foot or two through those branches. 1257 01:02:12,418 --> 01:02:14,213 I saw it coming down at a steep angle." 1258 01:02:14,247 --> 01:02:16,733 So whatever had threw it, had lobbed it high, 1259 01:02:16,767 --> 01:02:18,700 and threw it towards him, very strong. 1260 01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:21,772 I said, "It'd sure be nice to get that rock." 1261 01:02:21,807 --> 01:02:23,878 Quarton and his friend never found any tracks. 1262 01:02:23,912 --> 01:02:26,397 He said, "I know the way it went, 1263 01:02:26,432 --> 01:02:28,434 because I could see the bushes move 1264 01:02:28,468 --> 01:02:31,299 and hear sticks snappin', but I could never see it. 1265 01:02:31,333 --> 01:02:32,610 It went around the other side, 1266 01:02:32,645 --> 01:02:33,784 and I know the travel it went, 1267 01:02:33,819 --> 01:02:35,613 around the other side and on outta sight 1268 01:02:35,648 --> 01:02:37,236 down the side of the hillside." 1269 01:02:38,685 --> 01:02:40,757 So he goes that way, and they didn't find anything, 1270 01:02:40,791 --> 01:02:43,276 but when Thomas went in, it wasn't five minutes, 1271 01:02:43,311 --> 01:02:45,451 he says, "Bill, bring the camera equipment." 1272 01:02:45,485 --> 01:02:46,348 So I did. 1273 01:02:47,522 --> 01:02:50,456 This track here, right here you can see it 1274 01:02:50,490 --> 01:02:53,321 through the vegetation where it pressed down. 1275 01:02:53,355 --> 01:02:55,185 I don't know if you can see it good enough, 1276 01:02:55,219 --> 01:02:56,773 but this thing, it actually turned 1277 01:02:56,807 --> 01:02:59,637 the tips of the toes down when it got into the soft bog, 1278 01:02:59,672 --> 01:03:01,501 almost as if it's gripping, 1279 01:03:01,536 --> 01:03:03,710 and that's what it's supposed to do. 1280 01:03:03,745 --> 01:03:06,783 Remember the foot on Mount Archibald, 1281 01:03:06,817 --> 01:03:08,129 when it was going up the hill, 1282 01:03:08,163 --> 01:03:10,510 it seemed to be gripping the ground, 1283 01:03:10,545 --> 01:03:13,341 and kept going in the direction of travel. 1284 01:03:13,375 --> 01:03:16,171 This has five toe punctures. 1285 01:03:16,206 --> 01:03:18,070 They had water standing in 'em. 1286 01:03:18,104 --> 01:03:20,900 We waited a day or so to let the water seep outta here, 1287 01:03:20,935 --> 01:03:22,384 'cause it had been raining the day Mark was there 1288 01:03:22,419 --> 01:03:25,249 and the day after it when I interviewed him, 1289 01:03:25,284 --> 01:03:26,837 and we let it seep out and Steenburg 1290 01:03:26,872 --> 01:03:30,013 actually cast this track, believe it or not, 1291 01:03:30,047 --> 01:03:33,085 and he has a casting of it at his place. 1292 01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,466 Mark never knew those tracks was there, 1293 01:03:35,501 --> 01:03:38,055 and I thought, "Wow, if this guy wanted to hoax me, 1294 01:03:38,090 --> 01:03:39,885 he woulda made sure that I knew 1295 01:03:39,919 --> 01:03:42,473 that they found those tracks, come and see 'em." 1296 01:03:42,508 --> 01:03:43,681 He never knew. 1297 01:03:43,716 --> 01:03:45,062 I seen the pictures, he was so happy 1298 01:03:45,097 --> 01:03:47,582 they was able to find evidence to back up his story. 1299 01:03:49,446 --> 01:03:53,381 [suspenseful orchestral music] 1300 01:03:56,418 --> 01:04:00,112 - This is my file, one zero one six two. 1301 01:04:00,146 --> 01:04:02,286 This concerns an incident I investigated 1302 01:04:02,321 --> 01:04:05,634 that happened on September 21st, 2008. 1303 01:04:05,669 --> 01:04:08,672 Myself and a female researcher by the name of Chrissy 1304 01:04:08,706 --> 01:04:12,918 found three footprints, one of which was cast, 1305 01:04:12,952 --> 01:04:14,781 and you can see it right in front of you here. 1306 01:04:14,816 --> 01:04:16,438 It was in bog debris. 1307 01:04:17,957 --> 01:04:21,374 Footprint in layers and layers of bog debris. 1308 01:04:22,928 --> 01:04:26,828 And as you can see, that's not the best stuff 1309 01:04:26,863 --> 01:04:28,312 to try and cast something with. 1310 01:04:28,347 --> 01:04:30,176 I was quite pleasantly surprised 1311 01:04:30,211 --> 01:04:33,076 I'm actually getting any impression out of it at all. 1312 01:04:33,110 --> 01:04:34,491 There were two other tracks, 1313 01:04:34,525 --> 01:04:38,115 one of which miss Chrissy destroyed herself 1314 01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:42,879 by sinking up to her crotch in mud, and falling on it. 1315 01:04:44,018 --> 01:04:46,641 And the second set was destroyed by a dog, 1316 01:04:46,675 --> 01:04:49,955 which had clawed it, and the dog 1317 01:04:49,989 --> 01:04:52,750 was going for this track too when I got ahold of it 1318 01:04:52,785 --> 01:04:55,443 and told her to tie the damn thing up. 1319 01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:59,033 We went back the next day, 1320 01:04:59,067 --> 01:05:01,345 'cause we thought because it had been so warm and dry 1321 01:05:01,380 --> 01:05:03,692 that it would dry out, and it did, 1322 01:05:03,727 --> 01:05:06,247 and we cast it at that time. 1323 01:05:06,281 --> 01:05:08,732 Because bad weather was due to come back in, 1324 01:05:08,766 --> 01:05:11,631 we wanted to make sure we got a good casting made 1325 01:05:11,666 --> 01:05:13,599 before the track was destroyed. 1326 01:05:13,633 --> 01:05:14,980 But you're looking at the original, 1327 01:05:15,014 --> 01:05:17,603 out of the ground casting right there. 1328 01:05:17,637 --> 01:05:20,295 - Now if you wanna know the classics, 1329 01:05:20,330 --> 01:05:23,850 I mentioned the Jacko capture up at Yale. 1330 01:05:23,885 --> 01:05:25,024 That was very interesting. 1331 01:05:25,059 --> 01:05:27,440 Thomas Steenburg and myself, a few years ago, 1332 01:05:27,475 --> 01:05:31,479 were the first researchers in 120 or 25 years 1333 01:05:31,513 --> 01:05:34,827 that actually found that location by the number four tunnel. 1334 01:05:34,861 --> 01:05:38,106 Everything was like it was in the Daily Columnist article. 1335 01:05:38,141 --> 01:05:39,659 The train was coming from Litton, 1336 01:05:39,694 --> 01:05:43,111 and in those days, a gravel road from Agassiz 1337 01:05:43,146 --> 01:05:47,046 out to Ruby Creek stopped and it was all forest, 1338 01:05:47,081 --> 01:05:49,669 all the way up to Hope, all the way up to Yale, 1339 01:05:49,704 --> 01:05:51,257 there was no road at that time. 1340 01:05:53,604 --> 01:05:55,227 So when this train was coming from Litton, 1341 01:05:55,261 --> 01:05:56,676 it rounded the bend, it says, 1342 01:05:56,711 --> 01:05:58,782 "When the number four tunnel first came into sight, 1343 01:05:58,816 --> 01:06:01,647 we saw something laying by the tracks up ahead. 1344 01:06:01,681 --> 01:06:03,166 We thought it was someone laying there." 1345 01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,341 It blew its whistle, it didn't move. 1346 01:06:06,376 --> 01:06:08,826 So they had to eventually stop the train. 1347 01:06:08,861 --> 01:06:11,105 They dismounted, they went towards it, 1348 01:06:11,139 --> 01:06:13,003 and when they got up to it, it had come to 1349 01:06:13,038 --> 01:06:14,832 and it scrambled up the rock bluff. 1350 01:06:16,973 --> 01:06:19,182 It got up so high, about 10 feet or so, 1351 01:06:19,216 --> 01:06:21,149 'cause there are two rock ledges possible 1352 01:06:21,184 --> 01:06:22,633 where they said it happened, 1353 01:06:22,668 --> 01:06:25,843 that it could've gotten to, and they're about 10 feet high. 1354 01:06:25,878 --> 01:06:29,226 We didn't know which one, they didn't say in the article, 1355 01:06:29,261 --> 01:06:32,022 but it got hung up, so they called for the bell rope. 1356 01:06:32,057 --> 01:06:33,817 They didn't know what this strange creature was. 1357 01:06:33,851 --> 01:06:36,820 It was covered with hair, they never seen anything like it. 1358 01:06:36,854 --> 01:06:39,029 The term Sasquatch hadn't been coined 1359 01:06:39,064 --> 01:06:41,618 until the 1920s I believe, 1360 01:06:41,652 --> 01:06:44,966 over here at Chehalis by a J.W. Burns. 1361 01:06:45,001 --> 01:06:49,143 So they got the bell rope, they captured it, 1362 01:06:49,177 --> 01:06:51,283 they telegraphed into town telling 'em 1363 01:06:51,317 --> 01:06:52,525 "Hey, the train is stopped." 1364 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,044 You have to tell 'em why in those days, 1365 01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:55,287 a lotta robberies and stuff going on, 1366 01:06:55,321 --> 01:06:57,427 "Not to worry, we're a little bit behind. 1367 01:06:57,461 --> 01:07:00,844 They're bringing this creature in that we captured." 1368 01:07:00,878 --> 01:07:03,226 So they took it into town, the whole town 1369 01:07:03,260 --> 01:07:06,091 had heard about this news, it was in a stir. 1370 01:07:06,125 --> 01:07:07,816 They stopped short of town and dropped it off 1371 01:07:07,851 --> 01:07:09,646 at the machine shop. 1372 01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,926 They had a doctor named Hannington examine it. 1373 01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,929 In his report, he says that it was 4'7" tall, 1374 01:07:16,963 --> 01:07:21,209 127 pounds, covered with short black hair 1375 01:07:21,244 --> 01:07:22,728 all over its body. 1376 01:07:22,762 --> 01:07:27,733 It had hands and feet, and it said paws in parentheses, 1377 01:07:28,665 --> 01:07:31,392 like a human's, like a man's 1378 01:07:31,426 --> 01:07:34,464 but all the fingers ran in the same direction, 1379 01:07:34,498 --> 01:07:36,121 no opposing thumb like we have. 1380 01:07:37,329 --> 01:07:39,434 The feet had five toes like we have, 1381 01:07:40,815 --> 01:07:43,162 and it had this short, black, strong hair it said, 1382 01:07:43,197 --> 01:07:46,579 and one of the interesting things that the doctor mentioned, 1383 01:07:46,614 --> 01:07:50,721 from the elbow to the wrist was longer than a man's arm, 1384 01:07:50,756 --> 01:07:52,482 and they found that it could break a stick 1385 01:07:52,516 --> 01:07:55,381 by twisting it rather than snapping it 1386 01:07:55,416 --> 01:07:58,315 like we would have to do, very strong. 1387 01:07:58,350 --> 01:08:00,835 What he described was a ape, 1388 01:08:02,043 --> 01:08:03,217 and I don't think the first gorillas 1389 01:08:03,251 --> 01:08:04,666 weren't brought over to this continent 1390 01:08:04,701 --> 01:08:08,049 until around 1902, 1906. 1391 01:08:08,084 --> 01:08:10,672 So 25 years earlier, they wouldn't even actually 1392 01:08:10,707 --> 01:08:12,985 seen gorillas, they would've seen monkeys probably, 1393 01:08:13,019 --> 01:08:14,297 but not gorillas. 1394 01:08:14,331 --> 01:08:16,851 What you're describing is the size of a chimp 1395 01:08:16,885 --> 01:08:20,751 or a small gorilla, those are expensive, exotic animals. 1396 01:08:20,786 --> 01:08:22,788 I said, "No one dumps 'em on logging roads 1397 01:08:22,822 --> 01:08:25,273 like an old dog you don't want anymore." 1398 01:08:25,308 --> 01:08:28,311 A Sasquatch is not born big. 1399 01:08:28,345 --> 01:08:31,176 It comes out as a youngster and it has to grow. 1400 01:08:31,210 --> 01:08:33,350 They think it got too close to the rock bluff 1401 01:08:33,385 --> 01:08:35,180 and it had fallen and it was just knocked down 1402 01:08:35,214 --> 01:08:36,974 and knocked the wind out of 'em or somethin', 1403 01:08:37,009 --> 01:08:39,391 that's how they wound up seein' it by the tracks. 1404 01:08:39,425 --> 01:08:42,566 They go to take it to England, 1405 01:08:42,601 --> 01:08:46,087 and somewhere along the line there's no real trail on it. 1406 01:08:46,122 --> 01:08:49,470 It ran out, they don't know what exactly happened to it, 1407 01:08:49,504 --> 01:08:52,404 but in those days, I can only speculate 1408 01:08:52,438 --> 01:08:54,406 whether you be at sea or on a train, 1409 01:08:54,440 --> 01:08:57,236 something dies, you don't leave it layin' there, 1410 01:08:57,271 --> 01:08:59,031 especially if you got a long trip ahead 1411 01:08:59,065 --> 01:09:00,653 because they worry about plague 1412 01:09:00,688 --> 01:09:02,586 and getting sick from a dead body. 1413 01:09:02,621 --> 01:09:04,519 No way to preserve it, 1414 01:09:04,554 --> 01:09:06,176 so they probably pitched it overboard 1415 01:09:06,211 --> 01:09:08,247 not knowing what it was. 1416 01:09:08,282 --> 01:09:09,490 And that was unfortunate, 1417 01:09:09,524 --> 01:09:10,767 because there was that one opportunity 1418 01:09:10,801 --> 01:09:12,734 that they could've had the body, 1419 01:09:12,769 --> 01:09:14,771 and they didn't, and they discarded it. 1420 01:09:14,805 --> 01:09:16,911 - [Narrator] Could Jack Faust's Town Hall witnesses 1421 01:09:16,945 --> 01:09:18,154 be liars? 1422 01:09:18,188 --> 01:09:21,191 - Bigfoot, Sasquatch, the abominable snowman, 1423 01:09:21,226 --> 01:09:24,953 call him, or her, whatever you want. 1424 01:09:24,988 --> 01:09:28,371 It's a controversy as old as the hills 1425 01:09:28,405 --> 01:09:30,062 in which they are sighted, 1426 01:09:30,096 --> 01:09:31,719 and as fresh as the winds have been blowing 1427 01:09:31,753 --> 01:09:32,927 the last couple days, 1428 01:09:32,961 --> 01:09:35,309 because in recent weeks, more sightings. 1429 01:09:35,343 --> 01:09:36,827 The controversy continues. 1430 01:09:36,862 --> 01:09:41,073 There was a photo sent to us from an alleged sighting, 1431 01:09:41,107 --> 01:09:43,558 and I believe we have another picture there. 1432 01:09:43,593 --> 01:09:46,009 Yes, and there we have another picture. 1433 01:09:46,043 --> 01:09:50,220 Now, let's go from the photographs to the eye witnesses. 1434 01:09:50,255 --> 01:09:53,396 I'm gonna ask here, who here in this audience 1435 01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:55,639 has seen Bigfoot? 1436 01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,124 You sir, identify yourself. 1437 01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:01,300 - My name's Gary Weilert, I was huntin' elk about 1982 1438 01:10:01,335 --> 01:10:04,130 with some family and some friends. 1439 01:10:04,165 --> 01:10:05,270 - [Jack] Whereabouts? 1440 01:10:05,304 --> 01:10:07,755 - Up in, out of Milton-Freewater area, 1441 01:10:07,789 --> 01:10:08,825 in the Blue Mountain range. 1442 01:10:08,859 --> 01:10:10,654 - [Jack] The Blue Mountains. 1443 01:10:10,689 --> 01:10:12,863 - We were about just gettin' done huntin'. 1444 01:10:12,898 --> 01:10:14,900 It was just startin' to get dark. 1445 01:10:14,934 --> 01:10:17,627 We were camped at the end of a meadow. 1446 01:10:17,661 --> 01:10:18,869 We were all standing there, 1447 01:10:18,904 --> 01:10:20,285 and we noticed an object come out 1448 01:10:20,319 --> 01:10:23,322 of the far end of the meadow, came straight at us, 1449 01:10:23,357 --> 01:10:24,565 and then paralleled us. 1450 01:10:24,599 --> 01:10:26,567 We figured maybe it saw the fire or something. 1451 01:10:26,601 --> 01:10:27,395 - [Jack] How far away? 1452 01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:28,914 - 200 yards. 1453 01:10:28,948 --> 01:10:30,812 It had just began to snow, it was plenty light out, 1454 01:10:30,847 --> 01:10:34,057 we could see it was up on two hind legs, walking. 1455 01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:37,094 We figured it wasn't no bear, 1456 01:10:37,129 --> 01:10:39,683 because a bear usually does not walk on its hind legs 1457 01:10:39,718 --> 01:10:41,961 no 100 yards, 150 yards. 1458 01:10:41,996 --> 01:10:43,929 Usually only under attack or something like that 1459 01:10:43,963 --> 01:10:45,862 they'll get up on their legs, 1460 01:10:45,896 --> 01:10:49,659 but it walked parallel to us to the edge of the woods, 1461 01:10:49,693 --> 01:10:53,076 and then stopped, fiddled around. 1462 01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:54,457 I don't know what it was doing, just standing there, 1463 01:10:54,491 --> 01:10:55,492 and then that was the end of it. 1464 01:10:55,527 --> 01:10:57,183 We didn't wanna go after it. 1465 01:10:58,323 --> 01:10:59,910 - [Jack] How big, would you say? 1466 01:11:01,326 --> 01:11:04,570 - Well, to get an idea, at first when we saw it come out, 1467 01:11:04,605 --> 01:11:05,778 we thought it was an elk, 1468 01:11:05,813 --> 01:11:07,366 and elk is a pretty massive animal. 1469 01:11:09,334 --> 01:11:12,233 Then when we realized it wasn't on four legs, 1470 01:11:12,268 --> 01:11:15,581 it was up on two, we got a little more curious. 1471 01:11:15,616 --> 01:11:18,274 We had scopes, we tried to see better. 1472 01:11:18,308 --> 01:11:20,034 We couldn't tell no hair color or anything. 1473 01:11:20,068 --> 01:11:22,968 We knew it was dark, blackish color, 1474 01:11:23,002 --> 01:11:27,213 and it was rather big, probably nine, 10 feet tall. 1475 01:11:27,248 --> 01:11:28,870 - [Jack] What was it walking on? 1476 01:11:28,905 --> 01:11:30,044 - Snow. 1477 01:11:30,078 --> 01:11:31,287 - [Jack] Did it leave tracks? 1478 01:11:31,321 --> 01:11:33,081 - We did not go up there to look. 1479 01:11:33,116 --> 01:11:34,945 [laughing] 1480 01:11:34,980 --> 01:11:36,395 We weren't interested, you know, 1481 01:11:36,430 --> 01:11:40,434 like, say, brave white hunters, but we didn't wanna go look. 1482 01:11:42,298 --> 01:11:43,437 [suspenseful orchestral music] 1483 01:11:43,471 --> 01:11:48,165 - Scientists don't make decisions 1484 01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,167 as to whether 1485 01:11:52,377 --> 01:11:54,137 things are this or that. 1486 01:11:54,171 --> 01:11:55,449 They investigate. 1487 01:11:57,554 --> 01:12:00,039 And I thought, good Lord, 1488 01:12:00,074 --> 01:12:02,663 I've been trying to get 'em to investigate 1489 01:12:02,697 --> 01:12:03,871 for half a century. 1490 01:12:03,905 --> 01:12:05,079 They don't investigate. 1491 01:12:07,081 --> 01:12:09,290 They have beliefs, 1492 01:12:09,325 --> 01:12:11,775 and anything that is contrary to their belief, 1493 01:12:11,810 --> 01:12:13,605 they won't investigate. 1494 01:12:15,089 --> 01:12:19,507 So these people have beliefs. 1495 01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:21,613 They're not scientists. 1496 01:12:24,063 --> 01:12:27,273 - I'm Grover Krantz, I'm a professor of anthropology 1497 01:12:27,308 --> 01:12:29,517 here at Washington State University. 1498 01:12:29,552 --> 01:12:32,796 I teach courses in dealing with physical anthropology, 1499 01:12:32,831 --> 01:12:35,040 introduction to the subject, human evolution, 1500 01:12:35,074 --> 01:12:36,973 human races, the human skeleton, 1501 01:12:37,007 --> 01:12:40,114 and sometimes seminars on advanced subjects. 1502 01:12:40,148 --> 01:12:41,633 - [Interviewer] Do you feel compelled 1503 01:12:41,667 --> 01:12:45,913 to still make the case for the existence of Bigfoot? 1504 01:12:45,947 --> 01:12:49,088 - Well I'm satisfied that this Bigfoot thing exists. 1505 01:12:50,262 --> 01:12:51,746 Trying to make the case or argue for it 1506 01:12:51,781 --> 01:12:55,405 on the present evidence is largely futile, 1507 01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:58,581 but I'd like as much as possible to let the word out 1508 01:12:58,615 --> 01:13:01,066 as to what I found out and what I'm doing. 1509 01:13:01,100 --> 01:13:02,136 - [Interviewer] Tell me, why is it futile, 1510 01:13:02,170 --> 01:13:03,448 can you elaborate on that? 1511 01:13:04,794 --> 01:13:07,417 - Almost any scientist will tell you, 1512 01:13:07,452 --> 01:13:09,695 in no uncertain terms, that you will prove 1513 01:13:09,730 --> 01:13:12,249 the existence of Bigfoot or Sasquatch 1514 01:13:12,284 --> 01:13:15,529 by bringing in a body or a substantial piece of one. 1515 01:13:15,563 --> 01:13:17,634 No other evidence is proof. 1516 01:13:18,877 --> 01:13:20,292 They are adamant about this. 1517 01:13:21,466 --> 01:13:25,228 - Scientific world does not work the same 1518 01:13:25,262 --> 01:13:27,920 as the legal world. 1519 01:13:27,955 --> 01:13:30,406 Eyewitness testimony really doesn't mean much. 1520 01:13:32,304 --> 01:13:34,271 Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much. 1521 01:13:34,306 --> 01:13:36,757 Photographic, video evidence doesn't mean much. 1522 01:13:36,791 --> 01:13:39,415 They need something to physically examine. 1523 01:13:39,449 --> 01:13:40,968 Basically, you have to lay a Sasquatch 1524 01:13:41,002 --> 01:13:42,314 out on the table for 'em. 1525 01:13:43,557 --> 01:13:46,836 So, until or unless that happens, 1526 01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:50,598 this will remain in the elements, 1527 01:13:50,633 --> 01:13:53,049 for lack of a better term, on the fringe. 1528 01:13:54,533 --> 01:13:56,397 And for me, what I need to do, 1529 01:13:56,432 --> 01:13:59,814 is I gotta find that hard physical evidence 1530 01:13:59,849 --> 01:14:03,162 that will confirm, to the people who really matter, 1531 01:14:03,197 --> 01:14:05,337 that the Sasquatch does indeed exist. 1532 01:14:06,856 --> 01:14:09,928 It wouldn't surprise me if the physical remains 1533 01:14:09,962 --> 01:14:14,173 of a Sasquatch are laid out on a table one day. 1534 01:14:14,208 --> 01:14:17,487 It won't be found by a researcher like me in the bush. 1535 01:14:17,522 --> 01:14:19,351 It'll be found by some anthropology student 1536 01:14:19,385 --> 01:14:20,525 who found them in a long forgotten 1537 01:14:20,559 --> 01:14:22,354 museum box or drawer somewhere. 1538 01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:26,427 It wouldn't surprise me one bit. 1539 01:14:26,462 --> 01:14:30,120 [dramatic orchestral music] 116700

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