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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,333 --> 00:00:07,333 - They are known as Jane and John Does. 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,066 40,000 murder victims are still unidentified. 3 00:00:12,100 --> 00:00:13,433 [gentle music] 4 00:00:13,467 --> 00:00:17,467 Thousands of suspects are still at large. 5 00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:19,433 I'm on a mission to change all of that, 6 00:00:19,467 --> 00:00:21,233 one case at a time. 7 00:00:21,266 --> 00:00:22,367 Who is she? 8 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:25,066 - Hunters discovered the mystery woman's remains 9 00:00:25,100 --> 00:00:26,233 back in 1996. 10 00:00:27,667 --> 00:00:30,233 - Investigators want to get this woman back to her family. 11 00:00:30,266 --> 00:00:35,000 - For 23 years, Polk County's Jane Doe has remained unknown. 12 00:00:35,033 --> 00:00:37,500 Her family left wondering, what happened? 13 00:00:37,533 --> 00:00:39,533 Until now. 14 00:00:39,567 --> 00:00:42,533 For nearly three decades, I worked as a CSI, 15 00:00:42,567 --> 00:00:45,500 specializing in the recovery of DNA. 16 00:00:45,533 --> 00:00:48,400 I'm hoping with the advances in DNA testing, 17 00:00:48,433 --> 00:00:51,333 we can get closer to tracking down her family 18 00:00:51,367 --> 00:00:52,600 and her identity. 19 00:00:52,633 --> 00:00:55,200 - In the underwear, there was a semen stain. 20 00:01:02,133 --> 00:01:04,033 - She's not just another Jane Doe. 21 00:01:04,066 --> 00:01:06,233 She's a person with a story. 22 00:01:06,266 --> 00:01:08,400 - My focus has always been the victims 23 00:01:08,433 --> 00:01:10,066 and the victim's family. 24 00:01:10,100 --> 00:01:12,233 She deserves her identity back, 25 00:01:12,266 --> 00:01:14,233 and I'm gonna work for that. 26 00:01:14,266 --> 00:01:18,500 [dramatic music] 27 00:01:18,533 --> 00:01:23,533 [indistinct chatter] 28 00:01:23,567 --> 00:01:26,533 [light dramatic music] 29 00:01:26,567 --> 00:01:32,100 ♪ ♪ 30 00:01:33,500 --> 00:01:36,500 [tense music] 31 00:01:36,533 --> 00:01:42,100 ♪ ♪ 32 00:01:42,133 --> 00:01:43,567 - I'm Yolanda McClary, 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,300 a retired crime scene investigator 34 00:01:46,333 --> 00:01:49,600 from the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. 35 00:01:49,633 --> 00:01:53,200 I've helped to reopen and solve some of the most complex 36 00:01:53,233 --> 00:01:57,233 and mysterious cold cases in America. 37 00:01:57,266 --> 00:02:00,266 Polk County's Jane Doe cold case 38 00:02:00,300 --> 00:02:02,734 has been haunting the local sheriff's department 39 00:02:02,767 --> 00:02:05,333 for nearly 25 years. 40 00:02:05,367 --> 00:02:09,133 I can only imagine how Jane Doe's family must feel. 41 00:02:09,166 --> 00:02:11,467 They still have no idea what happened to their mother, 42 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:14,233 wife, or sister. 43 00:02:14,266 --> 00:02:16,233 Thinking of my own family, 44 00:02:16,266 --> 00:02:20,133 not knowing would be so painful. 45 00:02:20,166 --> 00:02:23,433 Murdered, discarded in a wooded area. 46 00:02:23,467 --> 00:02:25,700 Jane Doe has been at the Oregon State Forensic Lab 47 00:02:25,734 --> 00:02:29,166 for over two decades. 48 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,166 I want to give her her name back. 49 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,500 Using genealogy to help identify unidentified persons 50 00:02:35,533 --> 00:02:37,333 has been a huge breakthrough. 51 00:02:37,367 --> 00:02:41,166 My hope is that it will lead us down the right path 52 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,300 for her identification. 53 00:02:46,133 --> 00:02:49,400 - In September of 1996, a father and son hunting party 54 00:02:49,433 --> 00:02:51,667 stumbled upon a skeletonized body 55 00:02:51,700 --> 00:02:54,567 wrapped in a blue tarp, 56 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,567 up with ropes, 57 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,333 and called the Sheriff's office. 58 00:03:01,367 --> 00:03:03,500 Based on the wide pelvis, 59 00:03:03,533 --> 00:03:06,500 the medical examiner determined the body was female. 60 00:03:06,533 --> 00:03:09,567 But DNA technology in 1996 prevented us 61 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,533 from identifying her any more specifically. 62 00:03:16,567 --> 00:03:18,667 This is Burney Krauger. 63 00:03:18,700 --> 00:03:20,400 He's a retired detective, 64 00:03:20,433 --> 00:03:23,367 and this case was his initially in '96. 65 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,233 - Hi Burney, nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 66 00:03:26,266 --> 00:03:28,367 - Obviously, trying to find her identity 67 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,767 is gonna be the huge thing to open up roads 68 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,367 on maybe a different kind of investigation. 69 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,266 - Burney Krauger, he kept the case 70 00:03:35,300 --> 00:03:37,700 until he retired in December 2013, 71 00:03:37,734 --> 00:03:40,700 and I took over the case at that point. 72 00:03:40,734 --> 00:03:45,400 - So on September 1, 1996, you're on patrol? 73 00:03:45,433 --> 00:03:47,533 - Correct. - Tell me about that. 74 00:03:47,567 --> 00:03:50,700 - Well, I made contact with the father and the son, 75 00:03:50,734 --> 00:03:52,467 and they told me they were grouse hunting 76 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:54,567 and the dad said he came into a clearing, 77 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,433 and there appeared to be a human skull 78 00:03:58,467 --> 00:04:00,734 sitting in this clearing. 79 00:04:00,767 --> 00:04:02,500 From that point on then, 80 00:04:02,533 --> 00:04:06,166 we started the investigation of the dead body. 81 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,734 The body was dumped and was wrapped in blue tarp. 82 00:04:08,767 --> 00:04:12,033 It had been there long enough that the coyotes or varmints 83 00:04:12,066 --> 00:04:13,600 pulled the body out of the tarp. 84 00:04:13,633 --> 00:04:18,433 ♪ ♪ 85 00:04:18,467 --> 00:04:20,700 - Okay, well, that makes sense. 86 00:04:20,734 --> 00:04:22,700 Got a lot of animals out and they're all feeding. 87 00:04:22,734 --> 00:04:24,433 - Right. 88 00:04:24,467 --> 00:04:26,300 - I chose this case 89 00:04:26,333 --> 00:04:29,300 because this victim was discarded like trash, 90 00:04:29,333 --> 00:04:32,300 for animals to eat her remains. 91 00:04:32,333 --> 00:04:35,033 No one, no one deserves to die that way. 92 00:04:35,066 --> 00:04:37,500 - The Oregon Medical Examiner's Office 93 00:04:37,533 --> 00:04:39,700 did an autopsy on the bones, 94 00:04:39,734 --> 00:04:42,567 and they were unable to determine the cause of death 95 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,533 because they didn't find any knife wounds in the ribs, 96 00:04:45,567 --> 00:04:48,767 they didn't find any bullet holes, et cetera, so... 97 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,767 - Okay. If you don't mind, 98 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,367 I would love to get a feel for where this was, 99 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,567 you know, at least an approximate area. 100 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,367 So it would be okay if we go out there? 101 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,266 - Yeah, we can do that. All right. 102 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:01,667 - In order for me to better understand 103 00:05:01,700 --> 00:05:03,000 what happened to her, 104 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,333 I need to visit the place where she was found. 105 00:05:06,367 --> 00:05:07,667 Retracing the actual steps of the killer 106 00:05:08,667 --> 00:05:10,433 can reveal insights into the crime 107 00:05:10,467 --> 00:05:12,600 that a report just can't provide. 108 00:05:12,633 --> 00:05:16,033 [suspenseful music] 109 00:05:16,066 --> 00:05:17,700 - At the time in 1996, 110 00:05:17,734 --> 00:05:22,700 the location was a recently cleared logging area. 111 00:05:22,734 --> 00:05:24,700 - I don't know, if I was just some person 112 00:05:24,734 --> 00:05:28,567 that was finding a place to dump a body, 113 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,667 I don't know that I could find this. 114 00:05:30,700 --> 00:05:33,500 - Well, in my opinion, I think it would be kind of difficult. 115 00:05:33,533 --> 00:05:37,300 They would have to be somewhat familiar with the area. 116 00:05:37,333 --> 00:05:39,633 - There are hundreds of logging roads in this county. 117 00:05:39,667 --> 00:05:41,433 You can get lost pretty easily up there. 118 00:05:41,467 --> 00:05:43,767 ♪ ♪ 119 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,367 - Now this is the end of the log landing. 120 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,600 ♪ ♪ 121 00:05:49,633 --> 00:05:52,000 I didn't realize it'd be grown up this much. 122 00:05:52,033 --> 00:05:54,667 - Yeah, it's-- - It's grown up a lot. 123 00:05:58,767 --> 00:06:01,700 - I think we went over someplace in that area 124 00:06:01,734 --> 00:06:04,600 'cause I can remember that one stump being here. 125 00:06:04,633 --> 00:06:05,767 - That's probably where we need to go down. 126 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,667 - Pretty close. 127 00:06:11,300 --> 00:06:14,033 - What kind of person would come all the way up here 128 00:06:14,066 --> 00:06:16,500 to dump a body? 129 00:06:18,667 --> 00:06:22,667 I got to tell you, dragging a body down here-- 130 00:06:22,700 --> 00:06:27,367 it's steep, so I'm gonna say, whoever this is, is-- 131 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:28,667 I'm not saying you have to be an athlete, 132 00:06:28,700 --> 00:06:30,033 but you have to be at least-- 133 00:06:30,066 --> 00:06:31,033 - Kind of good shape. - Yeah. 134 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,300 - There's some fallen logs. Let's take a look at that. 135 00:06:35,567 --> 00:06:38,533 Looking at the photos, this is where the body was. 136 00:06:41,433 --> 00:06:42,700 - We're lucky she was ever found. 137 00:06:42,734 --> 00:06:44,533 I mean, I don't know why, but I'm just feeling that. 138 00:06:44,567 --> 00:06:45,700 - I am too. 139 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:48,567 They actually found the skull a couple hundred feet that way. 140 00:06:51,467 --> 00:06:53,767 - Eventually a tarp would have been found, 141 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,567 and that would have been it. - Yeah. 142 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,600 - I don't think there would've been anything else left. 143 00:06:57,633 --> 00:06:59,667 I don't think they would've found any of those bones. 144 00:06:59,700 --> 00:07:03,433 That would've just been gone. - Yeah. 145 00:07:03,467 --> 00:07:06,767 From the landing to where the body was, partway down, 146 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,500 hidden under a small tree, 147 00:07:09,533 --> 00:07:13,000 was this bag of clothing. 148 00:07:13,033 --> 00:07:15,066 Well, that clothing that was found 149 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:18,033 was actually just up the hill, right up in there. 150 00:07:18,066 --> 00:07:21,467 It was a pair of pants, pair of underwear, 151 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:24,033 shirt, socks, shoes. 152 00:07:24,066 --> 00:07:27,767 34/34 pants, so it's belonged to a tall person. 153 00:07:28,734 --> 00:07:31,000 - Is it possible the killer changed, 154 00:07:31,033 --> 00:07:34,567 then discarded his clothes after he dumped the body, 155 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,734 believing they would never be found? 156 00:07:36,767 --> 00:07:38,500 - That was significant. 157 00:07:38,533 --> 00:07:39,767 It was likely a male, 158 00:07:41,033 --> 00:07:42,000 tied to the person who put the body there. 159 00:07:43,367 --> 00:07:46,066 Size 34/34 pants, it's likely someone over 6-foot tall. 160 00:07:46,100 --> 00:07:47,667 - Did you guys ever have any clothing 161 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:49,066 or the evidence tested? 162 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:50,600 - Yeah, actually in the underwear 163 00:07:50,633 --> 00:07:52,734 that was in the bag, there was a semen stain. 164 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,467 They tried to develop the DNA from that stain, 165 00:07:58,500 --> 00:08:00,033 and they had no luck in '96. - Okay. 166 00:08:00,066 --> 00:08:03,000 - They stored the sample that they created. 167 00:08:03,033 --> 00:08:04,633 - I'm super impressed and happy 168 00:08:04,667 --> 00:08:07,767 that we had a possible perp DNA profile. 169 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,734 - Finally in 2014, I said, 170 00:08:10,767 --> 00:08:13,033 "Let's take another crack at it." 171 00:08:13,066 --> 00:08:14,767 At that point they were actually able to get 172 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,533 a partial DNA from one of the samples, 173 00:08:17,567 --> 00:08:19,233 and it was good enough to go into CODIS. 174 00:08:19,266 --> 00:08:23,233 ♪ ♪ 175 00:08:23,266 --> 00:08:25,000 - That's a really good sample if it was good enough 176 00:08:25,033 --> 00:08:26,100 to go into CODIS. - Yeah, so. 177 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:28,567 But unfortunately, we've not had any hits from that. 178 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,100 - Still nothing. 179 00:08:30,133 --> 00:08:32,000 - On one of the trees, 180 00:08:32,033 --> 00:08:36,533 there was a clump of brownish colored hair. 181 00:08:36,567 --> 00:08:38,100 ♪ ♪ 182 00:08:38,133 --> 00:08:40,700 Like, you whack your head on a tree 183 00:08:40,734 --> 00:08:43,767 and it takes part of your skin off. 184 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,700 - Brown hair? 185 00:08:45,734 --> 00:08:48,734 It was caught in a broken branch 186 00:08:48,767 --> 00:08:50,500 above where the body was. 187 00:08:50,533 --> 00:08:53,633 We think whoever, disposing of the body 188 00:08:53,667 --> 00:08:56,567 and then they raised up, that they caught that-- 189 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:57,767 - That branch. - Chunk. 190 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Whoever did it must have felt it. 191 00:09:02,166 --> 00:09:06,033 - Well, that was significant 'cause it didn't match her hair 192 00:09:06,066 --> 00:09:09,734 and it points to the person who drug her down there. 193 00:09:09,767 --> 00:09:12,633 Now we're having it looked at again. 194 00:09:12,667 --> 00:09:15,133 - If we can get a usable DNA profile, 195 00:09:15,166 --> 00:09:18,433 it could possibly open up roads we would never have before. 196 00:09:18,467 --> 00:09:20,767 It's such a huge deal because 197 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,767 I want to give her her name back. 198 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,767 I want to target her killer. 199 00:09:26,567 --> 00:09:28,567 That could be a game changer. 200 00:09:35,033 --> 00:09:37,533 - Her dad was a loser. 201 00:09:37,567 --> 00:09:40,066 - He was playing chicken on the railroad track. 202 00:09:43,734 --> 00:09:46,066 - I tried to talk her out of it. 203 00:09:46,100 --> 00:09:48,000 - It's very shocking. 204 00:09:48,033 --> 00:09:49,767 Almost like an out-of-body experience. 205 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,166 [indistinct chatter] 206 00:09:52,200 --> 00:10:04,133 [light dramatic music] 207 00:10:04,633 --> 00:10:06,633 [tense music] 208 00:10:06,667 --> 00:10:08,100 ♪ ♪ 209 00:10:08,133 --> 00:10:12,500 [birds cawing] 210 00:10:12,533 --> 00:10:14,300 - The discarded remains of a woman 211 00:10:14,333 --> 00:10:17,533 we call Jane Doe are found by hunters 212 00:10:17,567 --> 00:10:21,066 nearly 25 years ago in Polk County, Oregon. 213 00:10:21,100 --> 00:10:26,166 ♪ ♪ 214 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,100 I'm headed to the Oregon State Forensic Lab 215 00:10:30,133 --> 00:10:34,066 to meet with Nici Vance, their state anthropologist. 216 00:10:35,300 --> 00:10:39,166 It's amazing how much information bones can tell us. 217 00:10:40,266 --> 00:10:44,233 How old our victim is, if they ever had a child, 218 00:10:44,266 --> 00:10:46,266 how tall they were possibly. 219 00:10:49,567 --> 00:10:54,000 - We've tried so many things on this particular Jane Doe. 220 00:10:54,033 --> 00:10:55,667 So she's right here. 221 00:10:55,700 --> 00:10:57,567 - So you said you have the majority of her? 222 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,333 - I do. 223 00:10:59,367 --> 00:11:02,000 But we just can't seem to identify her. 224 00:11:05,300 --> 00:11:07,400 I'm gonna lay her out in anatomical position. 225 00:11:07,433 --> 00:11:09,233 - Yeah, absolutely. Yes. 226 00:11:09,266 --> 00:11:12,233 - So you can see exactly what we have. 227 00:11:12,266 --> 00:11:14,333 - Oh, my goodness. - Isn't that amazing? 228 00:11:14,367 --> 00:11:16,600 - Now that is really a weird scar. 229 00:11:16,633 --> 00:11:21,066 - Yeah, so this is definitely a craniotomy scar, so-- 230 00:11:21,100 --> 00:11:22,600 - Surgery. - Surgery, yes. 231 00:11:22,633 --> 00:11:24,100 This is not an injury. 232 00:11:24,133 --> 00:11:26,166 There's part of her spinal column. 233 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,033 - Uh-huh. - That would indicate 234 00:11:28,066 --> 00:11:31,767 that she hadn't necessarily been out there all that long. 235 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,400 - Uh huh. She seems small. 236 00:11:35,433 --> 00:11:38,367 - I don't think she's over 5'3", 5'4". 237 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,400 We know she's female based on characteristics 238 00:11:41,433 --> 00:11:44,100 in her skeletal system. 239 00:11:44,133 --> 00:11:47,133 We see a very, very wide pelvis. 240 00:11:47,166 --> 00:11:50,300 - Can you tell if somebody's had children, given childbirth? 241 00:11:50,333 --> 00:11:52,300 - Yeah, there's a little divot right there, 242 00:11:52,333 --> 00:11:54,066 a little depression that is created 243 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:58,166 when a very large ligament detaches during childbirth. 244 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,734 We see indication that she very well 245 00:12:00,767 --> 00:12:03,600 could have been a mother. 246 00:12:03,633 --> 00:12:05,300 - As a mother, this kind of hits home. 247 00:12:05,333 --> 00:12:08,700 When I found out that Jane Doe had at least one child, 248 00:12:08,734 --> 00:12:10,433 I'm wondering if that child 249 00:12:10,467 --> 00:12:12,700 has been looking for her all these years. 250 00:12:12,734 --> 00:12:16,166 - We know that she's past her 30s. 251 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,300 We're now moving into probably the fourth decade of life. 252 00:12:19,333 --> 00:12:20,667 - Into her 40s. - Mm-hmm. 253 00:12:20,700 --> 00:12:22,033 - Got it. - Exactly. 254 00:12:22,066 --> 00:12:24,300 - Did you find any kind of cause of death? 255 00:12:24,333 --> 00:12:28,000 - We don't have soft tissue, so we don't see a bullet wound. 256 00:12:28,033 --> 00:12:30,700 We've looked, there there's no knife defects. 257 00:12:30,734 --> 00:12:32,066 So everything-- 258 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:33,767 - No blunt force trauma there. - Exactly right. 259 00:12:35,133 --> 00:12:36,433 So we would see that depression in the bone. 260 00:12:36,467 --> 00:12:38,066 Don't see it here, 261 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:41,300 so we have virtually no indication 262 00:12:41,333 --> 00:12:44,300 regarding how she came to die, yeah. 263 00:12:44,333 --> 00:12:47,333 - How she died, okay. 264 00:12:47,367 --> 00:12:51,433 - The cause of death based on the bones is not clear, 265 00:12:51,467 --> 00:12:53,333 but unfortunately the manner of death 266 00:12:53,367 --> 00:12:56,767 or why she died is still homicide 267 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,233 since she clearly didn't wrap herself up 268 00:12:59,266 --> 00:13:01,667 in a tarp on that hill. 269 00:13:01,700 --> 00:13:03,433 So we're down to DNA. 270 00:13:03,467 --> 00:13:07,433 Other than that, there's just not a lot. 271 00:13:07,467 --> 00:13:11,100 - I lose sleep over this case because she's so identifiable. 272 00:13:11,133 --> 00:13:13,367 I want to believe that someone's looking for her. 273 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,000 Let's give her back to her family. 274 00:13:16,033 --> 00:13:17,767 So if there's some sort of new technology 275 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,367 that you can help us with, let's see what we can find out. 276 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,700 - I'm hoping with the advances in DNA testing, 277 00:13:24,734 --> 00:13:28,367 we can now collect her DNA from just her bones. 278 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,433 We don't know the cause of death. 279 00:13:31,467 --> 00:13:33,166 But what I do know 280 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,500 is that Jane Doe has at least one child 281 00:13:35,533 --> 00:13:37,767 who may still be alive. 282 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,133 So there must be family out there looking for her. 283 00:13:41,166 --> 00:13:44,467 Imagine all these years looking for someone you loved. 284 00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:46,667 It's heartbreaking. 285 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:49,233 Now I need to speak with the detectives. 286 00:13:49,266 --> 00:13:51,000 If detectives can determine 287 00:13:51,033 --> 00:13:53,533 when Jane Doe's remains were dumped, 288 00:13:53,567 --> 00:13:57,033 it could help us find out who she might be. 289 00:13:58,433 --> 00:14:01,333 [tense music] 290 00:14:01,367 --> 00:14:03,066 ♪ ♪ 291 00:14:04,333 --> 00:14:06,367 All right, let's talk about evidence a little bit. 292 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,367 And the time frame, the time of year. 293 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:13,133 - We put a time period in there of late June to the middle, 294 00:14:13,166 --> 00:14:15,166 maybe even two-thirds July 295 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,166 because of what the vegetation shows you. 296 00:14:20,500 --> 00:14:22,433 Grass played an important part 297 00:14:22,467 --> 00:14:25,000 in determining approximate time 298 00:14:25,033 --> 00:14:28,400 of the body being deposited there. 299 00:14:28,433 --> 00:14:31,000 - Burney collected grass 300 00:14:31,033 --> 00:14:33,233 from next to where the body was, 301 00:14:33,266 --> 00:14:36,066 and grass from under where the body was. 302 00:14:36,100 --> 00:14:38,433 The difference in height between these two grasses 303 00:14:38,467 --> 00:14:41,333 indicates that she was there two to three months. 304 00:14:41,367 --> 00:14:43,500 - And then we also found a receipt 305 00:14:43,533 --> 00:14:47,166 and some clothes that were up there. 306 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,166 - In the shirt pocket of one of the shirts 307 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,333 that was in this bag was a restaurant receipt. 308 00:14:53,367 --> 00:14:58,433 It was for around $5 worth of food for one person. 309 00:14:58,467 --> 00:15:02,467 This fast food receipt was dated June 26th. 310 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:04,734 - Okay, that's very interesting. 311 00:15:04,767 --> 00:15:07,300 So you have two things now saying probably late June. 312 00:15:07,333 --> 00:15:09,433 - Yeah. - I think your timeline's good. 313 00:15:09,467 --> 00:15:13,300 I think your timelines probably right on. 314 00:15:13,333 --> 00:15:15,333 - So we know when the killer likely dumped 315 00:15:15,367 --> 00:15:18,266 his clothes and the body, 316 00:15:18,300 --> 00:15:21,467 but we still need to identify our victim. 317 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:24,133 Dr. Vance has been very helpful so I was picking her brain, 318 00:15:24,166 --> 00:15:26,233 I'm like, "What else can we do?" 319 00:15:26,266 --> 00:15:29,400 She's like, "I got somebody that can do you a sketch." 320 00:15:29,433 --> 00:15:32,567 So in 2014, Dr. Vance provided the skull 321 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,433 to a forensic artist, 322 00:15:34,467 --> 00:15:38,033 and it was remarkable what came back. 323 00:15:38,066 --> 00:15:40,600 A forensic artist can approximate a person's face 324 00:15:40,633 --> 00:15:44,033 based only on the contours of the skull. 325 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:48,066 For the first time, 326 00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:51,533 I was looking into the face of Jane Doe. 327 00:15:51,567 --> 00:15:54,000 We got those beautiful sketches, 328 00:15:54,033 --> 00:15:55,333 and they experimented 329 00:15:55,367 --> 00:15:58,100 with different hairstyles, hair colors 330 00:15:58,133 --> 00:16:01,633 to give us a range of what our Doe would have looked like. 331 00:16:01,667 --> 00:16:05,033 - Once detectives had three potential sketches 332 00:16:05,066 --> 00:16:06,066 of their victim, 333 00:16:07,266 --> 00:16:08,400 they turned to the media to generate leads. 334 00:16:10,033 --> 00:16:12,200 - Investigators want to get this woman back to her family, 335 00:16:12,233 --> 00:16:16,367 but they have no idea who she is or where she's from. 336 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,100 If you think you might know who this mystery woman is, 337 00:16:20,133 --> 00:16:23,000 you're asked to contact the Polk County Sheriff's Office. 338 00:16:26,633 --> 00:16:29,400 - We were able to get a variety of sketches 339 00:16:29,433 --> 00:16:32,367 based on the skull of what our victim might have looked like. 340 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:33,533 - Yeah. 341 00:16:34,533 --> 00:16:36,433 - And I did get a call from Canada. 342 00:16:36,467 --> 00:16:39,633 They had a missing person up there. 343 00:16:39,667 --> 00:16:42,367 Turned out it wasn't-- wasn't ours. 344 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,066 That's the only serious tip that has come in. 345 00:16:47,433 --> 00:16:49,433 Kind of been disappointing. 346 00:16:49,467 --> 00:16:51,300 - Well, and after 23 years 347 00:16:51,333 --> 00:16:53,200 if you haven't even found any good leads, 348 00:16:53,233 --> 00:16:55,133 they're just probably not there anymore. 349 00:16:55,166 --> 00:16:57,500 Times have changed, you know, in how we can do things now. 350 00:16:57,533 --> 00:17:02,133 This is a great case to try just genealogy. 351 00:17:09,333 --> 00:17:11,433 It's not like anything else 352 00:17:11,467 --> 00:17:14,333 that DNA has ever been used for. 353 00:17:14,367 --> 00:17:15,667 It's new to me, too. 354 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:18,433 DNA Solutions in Oklahoma, private lab, 355 00:17:18,467 --> 00:17:19,700 they'll try to extract the DNA. 356 00:17:19,734 --> 00:17:21,500 Doing this whole different profile 357 00:17:21,533 --> 00:17:24,700 that can be uploaded into open source databases. 358 00:17:24,734 --> 00:17:27,367 Then, you know, you start building trees, 359 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:28,500 and these trees have to connect, 360 00:17:30,066 --> 00:17:31,567 and they keep connecting and connecting and connecting 361 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,066 till finally, hopefully, they all can come together, 362 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:37,333 and hopefully right down to your Jane Doe. 363 00:17:39,467 --> 00:17:41,133 I'm determined to help detectives 364 00:17:41,166 --> 00:17:43,533 identify their Jane Doe. 365 00:17:43,567 --> 00:17:46,633 If my team can extract a solid sample of DNA 366 00:17:46,667 --> 00:17:48,433 from Jane Doe's bones, 367 00:17:49,734 --> 00:17:53,567 we can then compare it to DNA in public source databases, 368 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,433 in the hopes that any of her relatives' DNA are in there. 369 00:17:57,467 --> 00:17:59,533 It's a lot of work, but I got a great team. 370 00:17:59,567 --> 00:18:01,200 - We thank you. 371 00:18:01,233 --> 00:18:03,633 We really don't have anywhere else to go. 372 00:18:03,667 --> 00:18:06,100 It's amazing 'cause this new technology could be 373 00:18:06,133 --> 00:18:08,567 just what we're looking for to solve this case. 374 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,567 [tense music] 375 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,266 ♪ ♪ 376 00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:16,266 [light dramatic music] 377 00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:17,600 ♪ ♪ 378 00:18:22,066 --> 00:18:24,266 [light dramatic music] 379 00:18:24,633 --> 00:18:27,667 ♪ ♪ 380 00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:30,567 - With this groundbreaking forensic technology, 381 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,133 we have a new tool to help solve cold cases. 382 00:18:34,166 --> 00:18:37,600 Our Jane Doe's bones are sent to DNA Solutions, 383 00:18:37,633 --> 00:18:42,066 a highly-respected, private lab in Oklahoma. 384 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:44,033 - I'm Dr. Anstead. I'm the lab director. 385 00:18:44,066 --> 00:18:45,633 We're a laboratory that handles 386 00:18:45,667 --> 00:18:48,000 a number of different kinds of DNA work. 387 00:18:48,033 --> 00:18:50,166 They've been extracting DNA from skeletal remains 388 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,233 for quite a few years now, but what's changed 389 00:18:52,266 --> 00:18:55,600 is the technology to actually recover that DNA... 390 00:19:21,767 --> 00:19:25,100 [light dramatic music] 391 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,767 - I can't believe after more than two decades 392 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,767 after our Jane Doe's remains were found, 393 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,734 we had her DNA profile. 394 00:19:44,767 --> 00:19:47,400 The DNA in this case was a bit challenging 395 00:19:47,433 --> 00:19:51,467 because there had been some degration level in the bone 396 00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:54,266 due to the fact that the bone is 23 years old, 397 00:19:54,300 --> 00:19:56,700 but we're quite pleased with after two extractions, 398 00:19:56,734 --> 00:19:58,166 we got what we want. 399 00:19:59,667 --> 00:20:02,200 Finally, we are getting closer to tracking down her family 400 00:20:02,233 --> 00:20:04,166 and her identity. 401 00:20:08,233 --> 00:20:10,467 Now from my hometown in Las Vegas, 402 00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:14,033 I contacted two of the best genealogists in the country. 403 00:20:14,066 --> 00:20:16,367 [energetic music] 404 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,200 - My name is Charles McGee. 405 00:20:18,233 --> 00:20:20,700 I do all sorts of different kinds of genealogical research, 406 00:20:20,734 --> 00:20:25,033 with my main focus being forensic genealogy. 407 00:20:25,066 --> 00:20:27,767 - This kind of investigative work is very different 408 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,367 than just genealogy, 409 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,066 because we start with an unknown. 410 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:35,133 We have no clue who this person is. 411 00:20:35,166 --> 00:20:36,734 - I can't thank you guys enough for coming. 412 00:20:36,767 --> 00:20:39,200 I just got back from Oregon. 413 00:20:39,233 --> 00:20:45,200 They had a body that was found September 1, 1996. 414 00:20:45,233 --> 00:20:48,000 Our Jane Doe would have been in her 40s. 415 00:20:48,033 --> 00:20:51,700 - And did she have children? - She had at least one child, 416 00:20:51,734 --> 00:20:53,100 but possibly more. 417 00:20:54,433 --> 00:20:57,066 - With a viable DNA profile, we're able to upload that 418 00:20:57,100 --> 00:20:59,266 to a private genetic DNA database. 419 00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:03,066 Once we're able to show matches to our Jane Doe, 420 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:05,533 genetic matches, obviously we're hoping for a bull's-eye. 421 00:21:05,567 --> 00:21:07,000 - What's a bull's-eye? 422 00:21:08,333 --> 00:21:09,533 - Well, like a parent relationship would be awesome. 423 00:21:09,567 --> 00:21:11,033 - Okay. 424 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:12,500 - The more DNA that you share with somebody, 425 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,033 the closer your relationship. 426 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,300 So a paternal line and a maternal line coming together, 427 00:21:17,333 --> 00:21:19,500 beneath there, somewhere, is gonna be our Doe, hopefully. 428 00:21:19,533 --> 00:21:21,133 - Gotcha. 429 00:21:21,166 --> 00:21:24,066 - We can't expect to get a parent 430 00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:26,100 or a sibling bull's-eye right off the bat. 431 00:21:26,133 --> 00:21:28,066 I mean, we're always hoping for something like that, 432 00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:29,200 but that's pretty rare. 433 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:32,033 Then you get down to second, third, fourth cousins 434 00:21:32,066 --> 00:21:34,300 and removed cousins and half cousins. 435 00:21:34,333 --> 00:21:35,467 - Lots of headaches. - We have tools-- 436 00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:37,266 we have all sorts of tools that can help us 437 00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:39,300 try to determine what those relationships might be. 438 00:21:39,333 --> 00:21:40,433 - Okay. 439 00:21:40,467 --> 00:21:42,166 - So we can kind of narrow the field. 440 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,300 Once her DNA is uploaded to this genetic 441 00:21:45,333 --> 00:21:48,033 genealogy research site we use, 442 00:21:48,066 --> 00:21:51,433 we're able to see our Jane Doe's top matches, 443 00:21:51,467 --> 00:21:53,567 her closest relatives. 444 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,567 [pensive music] 445 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:03,734 ♪ ♪ 446 00:22:05,533 --> 00:22:08,033 - I got the top ten matches that you sent. 447 00:22:08,066 --> 00:22:10,433 - Yep, the DNA was uploaded to the database 448 00:22:10,467 --> 00:22:13,333 and matches for our Jane Doe are listed there. 449 00:22:13,367 --> 00:22:15,467 We were hoping for something better, obviously. 450 00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:18,400 Our Jane Doe matches are so distantly related 451 00:22:18,433 --> 00:22:21,333 that she likely never even knew them during her life. 452 00:22:21,367 --> 00:22:24,200 That makes the research pretty difficult. 453 00:22:24,233 --> 00:22:28,100 - I liken this process to working a jigsaw puzzle. 454 00:22:28,133 --> 00:22:29,767 When you get a list of matches, 455 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,166 some of them are valuable, some of them are not, 456 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,767 but you don't know until you get going. 457 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,600 You're just flying blind. 458 00:22:35,633 --> 00:22:37,467 - So we'll start out with the Anna Adams tree. 459 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:38,533 - Yes. 460 00:22:39,433 --> 00:22:40,166 - You can begin working on that, Jean. 461 00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:42,166 I can take the Sam Smith tree. 462 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,433 And Yolanda, you can start on DT Jones. 463 00:22:44,467 --> 00:22:46,600 And we can just keep on progressing from there. 464 00:22:46,633 --> 00:22:48,333 - All right. 465 00:22:49,533 --> 00:22:51,233 So now we have our top ten matches to our Jane Doe. 466 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,333 That means building out ten different family trees 467 00:22:54,367 --> 00:22:57,300 that will have thousands of people in each, 468 00:22:57,333 --> 00:23:00,100 to ultimately find that marriage 469 00:23:00,133 --> 00:23:03,633 between Jane Doe's mother and father to lead us to her. 470 00:23:03,667 --> 00:23:06,100 - Somewhere there's a marriage that occurred 471 00:23:06,133 --> 00:23:10,066 that produced the parent or grandparent of the Doe. 472 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:12,066 - We're looking for the crossover 473 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:16,133 when one person in this tree marries somebody in this tree. 474 00:23:16,166 --> 00:23:20,033 - Where they come together is where our Doe's gonna be. 475 00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:21,433 - All right, everybody divide and conquer. 476 00:23:21,467 --> 00:23:24,433 [gentle music] 477 00:23:24,467 --> 00:23:30,333 ♪ ♪ 478 00:23:30,367 --> 00:23:32,467 Based on our genealogy research, 479 00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:35,667 the two common names that we have 480 00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:38,467 in our tree are Thomas and Fuller. 481 00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:41,633 So Chuck, you found some crossovers, some marriages. 482 00:23:41,667 --> 00:23:45,533 - Yeah, one of our matches is related to Tennie Fuller, 483 00:23:45,567 --> 00:23:48,133 and the other is related to Claude Thomas. 484 00:23:48,166 --> 00:23:49,500 And we found a crossover 485 00:23:49,533 --> 00:23:52,133 because Claude and Tennie married. 486 00:23:52,166 --> 00:23:55,533 - So how does, ultimately, our Doe fit into this? 487 00:23:55,567 --> 00:23:59,533 - Our Doe could actually be the child of Tennie and Claude, 488 00:23:59,567 --> 00:24:01,133 or it could be the grandchild. 489 00:24:01,166 --> 00:24:03,633 Claude and Tennie had seven children, 490 00:24:03,667 --> 00:24:06,500 six boys and one girl. 491 00:24:06,533 --> 00:24:09,333 Morgan and Leo were the oldest. 492 00:24:09,367 --> 00:24:11,400 Billy and Bettie were the youngest. 493 00:24:11,433 --> 00:24:16,200 And Bettie Thomas, we believe that she moved to Oregon. 494 00:24:16,233 --> 00:24:17,300 - Wow. 495 00:24:17,333 --> 00:24:19,433 - So that's a big hit right there. 496 00:24:19,467 --> 00:24:22,166 Bettie was born in 1934. 497 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,500 - We're looking for somebody in their late 40s, maybe 50s. 498 00:24:24,533 --> 00:24:26,433 She's a little older 499 00:24:26,467 --> 00:24:29,066 than probably what we want for our Doe, right? 500 00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:30,233 - Yeah. 501 00:24:31,633 --> 00:24:33,066 - Bettie would've been 62 when Jane Doe was murdered, 502 00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:35,333 nearly 20 years her senior. 503 00:24:35,367 --> 00:24:38,100 So she may not be our victim. 504 00:24:38,133 --> 00:24:39,633 We needed Detective Williams' help. 505 00:24:39,667 --> 00:24:42,533 [energetic music] 506 00:24:42,567 --> 00:24:44,300 - So looking into Bettie's background, 507 00:24:44,333 --> 00:24:46,200 I found something that I didn't expect. 508 00:24:46,233 --> 00:24:49,133 She had passed away in King County, Washington, 509 00:24:49,166 --> 00:24:51,233 in October of '96, 510 00:24:51,266 --> 00:24:54,700 four months after our Doe was likely killed. 511 00:24:54,734 --> 00:24:57,200 So obviously, it couldn't be our Doe. 512 00:24:57,233 --> 00:25:00,233 - So Bettie's deceased and actually had a funeral. 513 00:25:00,266 --> 00:25:01,533 It's not her. 514 00:25:01,567 --> 00:25:04,233 - Bettie's out. 515 00:25:04,266 --> 00:25:05,600 - We know she had four daughters, 516 00:25:05,633 --> 00:25:07,266 but they're all accounted for. 517 00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:08,533 - So it has to be the daughter 518 00:25:08,567 --> 00:25:10,600 of one of those remaining siblings. 519 00:25:10,633 --> 00:25:14,200 - So we have six boys that we need to figure out 520 00:25:14,233 --> 00:25:16,533 who they're married to and every one of their kids. 521 00:25:16,567 --> 00:25:19,100 Their kids would be born in the right time frame 522 00:25:19,133 --> 00:25:20,433 of the 1950s. 523 00:25:20,467 --> 00:25:22,467 I guess everybody, let's hit our computers, 524 00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:24,467 see what we can find, find phone numbers, 525 00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:25,700 maybe we just need to start talking 526 00:25:25,734 --> 00:25:27,467 to some of these people too if they're alive. 527 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:30,233 This is the biggest lead in over two decades. 528 00:25:33,433 --> 00:25:36,467 [light dramatic music] 529 00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:37,633 ♪ ♪ 530 00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:45,667 [light dramatic music] 531 00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:48,166 - So we have six boys 532 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,700 that we need to figure out who they're married to 533 00:25:50,734 --> 00:25:52,300 and every one of their kids. 534 00:25:52,333 --> 00:25:54,500 - Right. - So it has to be the daughter 535 00:25:54,533 --> 00:25:57,266 of one of those remaining siblings. 536 00:25:57,300 --> 00:26:00,066 - Starting out, Morgan is the first boy. 537 00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:02,033 Second boy is Leo. 538 00:26:02,066 --> 00:26:04,700 - Leo. Robert. 539 00:26:04,734 --> 00:26:07,200 - Billy. 540 00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:09,066 - And they're all still Oklahoma-based? 541 00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:10,567 - Well, we don't know that for sure. 542 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,200 We're going to have to begin to, you know, 543 00:26:12,233 --> 00:26:13,500 fill that out, fill that information. 544 00:26:13,533 --> 00:26:14,700 - All right, well then, 545 00:26:14,734 --> 00:26:16,700 let's do some more research on all of them. 546 00:26:16,734 --> 00:26:19,133 I guess everybody, let's hit our computers, 547 00:26:19,166 --> 00:26:20,633 see what we can find, find phone numbers, 548 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:22,533 maybe we need to start talking to some of these people too 549 00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:24,133 if they're alive. 550 00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:25,333 - Yeah. - Okay. 551 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,266 - We methodically went through the siblings, 552 00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:30,567 starting with his oldest and working down, 553 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,033 and trying to figure out, 554 00:26:32,066 --> 00:26:34,200 you know, who they would have been married to. 555 00:26:34,233 --> 00:26:36,300 And if any of them had a daughter, 556 00:26:36,333 --> 00:26:38,033 that could be our Jane Doe. 557 00:26:38,066 --> 00:26:39,633 We couldn't get anywhere. 558 00:26:39,667 --> 00:26:42,600 But lo and behold, weeks later we discovered 559 00:26:42,633 --> 00:26:45,533 Billy Thomas, Bettie's brother, 560 00:26:45,567 --> 00:26:47,667 the only living sibling. 561 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:50,633 - This whole line of siblings and only one of them 562 00:26:50,667 --> 00:26:53,300 was still living, and that was Billy. 563 00:26:53,333 --> 00:26:56,633 He's now 85 years old, in Oklahoma. 564 00:26:56,667 --> 00:26:58,633 [line ringing] 565 00:27:01,734 --> 00:27:06,166 - Hey, is this Billy? 566 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,000 - This is Detective Williams from Oregon. 567 00:27:08,033 --> 00:27:11,000 How are you doing? 568 00:27:11,033 --> 00:27:12,767 - Hoping that he could fill in some of the holes, 569 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,667 I asked Billy about his nieces and nephews. 570 00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:18,667 - We just had a conversation, you know, 571 00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:24,166 and he said that he's working on this case. 572 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,734 I gave him what I knew. 573 00:27:25,767 --> 00:27:29,133 I've got five brothers, I'm the sixth. 574 00:27:29,166 --> 00:27:32,033 Leo was my second oldest brother. 575 00:27:32,066 --> 00:27:35,667 Him and his wife had three daughters. 576 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:38,266 - Billy said none of his other brothers had daughters, 577 00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:41,567 but Leo had three girls with Jessie, his wife. 578 00:27:42,767 --> 00:27:45,100 - I don't know how he met her or anything. 579 00:27:45,133 --> 00:27:49,000 All I can tell you is they had Sandra, Linda, and Kathy. 580 00:27:49,033 --> 00:27:51,166 - All he knew were first names. 581 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,367 He hadn't seen them since they were little kids, 582 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,033 so knowing that Leo and Jessie had three girls 583 00:27:57,066 --> 00:28:00,166 born in about the right time in the 50s, 584 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,133 I'm almost certain that one of them is our Doe. 585 00:28:02,166 --> 00:28:06,700 ♪ ♪ 586 00:28:06,734 --> 00:28:09,233 - Billy said the girls were split up 587 00:28:09,266 --> 00:28:13,300 after his brother Leo and Jessie divorced around 1959. 588 00:28:16,133 --> 00:28:18,166 Here in Oklahoma. 589 00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:22,734 About five miles from town. 590 00:28:22,767 --> 00:28:27,667 - Then Billy told us something that blew this case wide open. 591 00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:30,166 - Leo took Kathy to Oregon. 592 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:33,667 - This is big. 593 00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:36,667 It's the same state where our Jane Doe was found. 594 00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:38,700 She's the right age. 595 00:28:38,734 --> 00:28:42,400 She lived not far from where our victim's body was found. 596 00:28:42,433 --> 00:28:47,734 And her two sisters are alive, living in the Midwest. 597 00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:51,400 Kathy is the best chance at being our Jane Doe. 598 00:28:54,433 --> 00:28:57,200 - And I said "Well, what do you think happened to Kathy?" 599 00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:16,367 - Leo adopted her out to a family 600 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,233 with the last name of Buxton. 601 00:29:18,266 --> 00:29:20,100 He said, "I don't how to spell it. 602 00:29:20,133 --> 00:29:22,266 I don't know where they live. That's just what I heard." 603 00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:24,400 So I have a name, Buxton, 604 00:29:24,433 --> 00:29:27,100 and now I got to figure out who Linda and Sandra are. 605 00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:28,467 How can I do that? 606 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:31,667 I'm like okay, Leo died in 1966, 607 00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:35,700 but Jessie, I knew she died in Okemah, Oklahoma. 608 00:29:35,734 --> 00:29:37,300 Called the little newspaper there, 609 00:29:37,333 --> 00:29:40,400 asked them if they had an obituary from 2002. 610 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,467 A relative told me that Linda and Sandra were adopted out 611 00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:50,734 to a local family in Okemah because Jessie, their mom, 612 00:29:50,767 --> 00:29:53,767 wanted to continue her party lifestyle, 613 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:59,000 and the two little girls were kind of in her way. 614 00:29:59,033 --> 00:30:02,266 The same relative was very helpful, pointed me to Linda, 615 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:03,700 Kathy's sister, 616 00:30:05,066 --> 00:30:06,700 and actually helped me get Linda on the phone. 617 00:30:06,734 --> 00:30:09,700 [line ringing] 618 00:30:13,533 --> 00:30:16,133 - Hey Linda, this is Detective Williams from Oregon. 619 00:30:16,166 --> 00:30:19,000 How are you doing? 620 00:30:19,033 --> 00:30:20,266 - Good. 621 00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:22,066 - He said, "Was your dad named Leo?" 622 00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:23,500 I said yes. 623 00:30:23,533 --> 00:30:26,100 "Did you have a younger sister named Kathy?" 624 00:30:26,133 --> 00:30:28,300 I said yes. 625 00:30:28,333 --> 00:30:33,533 He said that they had a woman tied in a tarp. 626 00:30:33,567 --> 00:30:37,300 He wanted to know if it could have been my sister. 627 00:30:40,533 --> 00:30:45,266 My dad took off with her to Oregon 628 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:49,300 once that Sandy and I got adopted to the same family. 629 00:30:52,166 --> 00:30:56,100 And I didn't know what had happened to Kathy. 630 00:30:56,133 --> 00:30:58,433 She was just gone my whole life. 631 00:31:03,066 --> 00:31:08,300 - I know you've wondered for years, where's Kathy? 632 00:31:08,333 --> 00:31:10,734 - She tells me Sandra, her eldest sister, 633 00:31:10,767 --> 00:31:13,367 is a nurse at a hospital in Oklahoma. 634 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,333 So I'm like, well, no one's seen Kathy? 635 00:31:17,367 --> 00:31:19,166 That fits the puzzle. 636 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,266 Kathy is likely our Doe, 637 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:23,333 but we still need to confirm it. 638 00:31:23,367 --> 00:31:25,500 And I said, could we get a DNA sample to see 639 00:31:25,533 --> 00:31:28,567 if we're on the right track? 640 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,400 - And I said, "Yes, I'll do anything I can 641 00:31:31,433 --> 00:31:33,567 to find out if it was my sister or not." 642 00:31:38,233 --> 00:31:40,266 - Yeah. 643 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,433 - Well, will it also give you some kind of sense 644 00:31:45,467 --> 00:31:48,100 of "now you know"? 645 00:31:50,533 --> 00:31:52,567 - That DNA sample, 646 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,467 that's gonna be the truth one way or another. 647 00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:01,367 [tense music] 648 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,333 ♪ ♪ 649 00:32:03,367 --> 00:32:05,567 - After months of research, 650 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,467 my team and I have narrowed down 651 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:10,533 Jane Doe's genealogy to one family. 652 00:32:10,567 --> 00:32:14,367 We believe Linda Amsler may be her sister. 653 00:32:15,533 --> 00:32:19,100 We won't know for sure until we compare Linda's DNA 654 00:32:19,133 --> 00:32:21,166 to our victim's DNA. 655 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,100 [dramatic music] 656 00:32:24,133 --> 00:32:28,633 - She was just drinking and running around. 657 00:32:28,667 --> 00:32:30,300 - Never heard from her again. 658 00:32:30,333 --> 00:32:33,300 Didn't know the husband's name other than a nickname. 659 00:32:33,333 --> 00:32:35,033 - I seen her one time. 660 00:32:36,266 --> 00:32:39,200 I stopped in this little bar there and she was there. 661 00:32:39,233 --> 00:32:41,600 - I know that Linda needed to hear the truth, 662 00:32:41,633 --> 00:32:45,166 but it was very difficult to break the news to her. 663 00:32:47,133 --> 00:32:50,133 [light dramatic music] 664 00:32:50,166 --> 00:32:51,533 ♪ ♪ 665 00:32:55,734 --> 00:32:58,133 [light dramatic music] 666 00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:00,533 ♪ ♪ 667 00:33:00,567 --> 00:33:04,600 - We sent Linda's DNA to DNA Solutions 668 00:33:04,633 --> 00:33:07,567 to have a compared with our victim, 669 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,066 our Doe's DNA. 670 00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:17,100 ♪ ♪ 671 00:33:19,533 --> 00:33:22,667 Now we know for sure who our Jane Doe is. 672 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:25,033 It's Linda's sister, Kathy. 673 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,000 Now that we have the results, 674 00:33:37,033 --> 00:33:39,166 Detective Williams and I are heading to Oklahoma 675 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,600 to break the news to Linda in person. 676 00:33:41,633 --> 00:33:44,767 Hopefully, Linda can lead us to who saw Kathy last, 677 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,500 and then ultimately to her killer. 678 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,100 So Linda, thank you for meeting us. 679 00:33:59,133 --> 00:34:01,600 I know from the first day that we called you 680 00:34:01,633 --> 00:34:02,734 and talked to you, this has been 681 00:34:04,133 --> 00:34:04,533 kind of an emotional roller coaster for you. 682 00:34:04,567 --> 00:34:05,667 - Mm-hmm. 683 00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:07,400 - Thank you for working with us. 684 00:34:07,433 --> 00:34:10,000 I know getting a phone call out of the blue about your sister-- 685 00:34:10,033 --> 00:34:12,734 - Like you said, out of nowhere, too. 686 00:34:12,767 --> 00:34:14,700 - I know, and it was out of nowhere, 687 00:34:14,734 --> 00:34:17,166 and you did something very special. 688 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,467 You gave me your DNA. 689 00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:21,734 I know that Linda needed to hear the truth, 690 00:34:21,767 --> 00:34:25,000 but it was very difficult to break the news to her. 691 00:34:25,033 --> 00:34:28,233 So we do know, um... 692 00:34:32,266 --> 00:34:35,100 You are a match. You are her sister. 693 00:34:35,133 --> 00:34:36,633 - I knew it. 694 00:34:36,667 --> 00:34:39,767 [somber music] 695 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,200 ♪ ♪ 696 00:34:42,233 --> 00:34:44,066 - The DNA definitely confirms 697 00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:48,300 that our person that we have is your biological sister. 698 00:34:48,333 --> 00:34:51,700 ♪ ♪ 699 00:34:51,734 --> 00:34:54,166 - I knew it was, in my heart. 700 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,233 By looking at her picture. 701 00:34:56,266 --> 00:34:59,033 We all have this nose. 702 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,300 I didn't really want it to be her. 703 00:35:03,333 --> 00:35:07,500 I wanted a family when I was young, so bad. 704 00:35:07,533 --> 00:35:11,667 And now to finally get it, but she's gone. 705 00:35:15,667 --> 00:35:18,200 And I'll never have my sister back. 706 00:35:22,633 --> 00:35:25,200 It would have been nice if we'd had a real family 707 00:35:25,233 --> 00:35:27,000 like everybody else. 708 00:35:27,033 --> 00:35:29,600 - Tell me about your family. 709 00:35:29,633 --> 00:35:34,266 - Leo Thomas was my dad. 710 00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:37,500 And Jessie Dodson was my mother, 711 00:35:37,533 --> 00:35:41,100 Thomas after they got married in 1949. 712 00:35:41,133 --> 00:35:42,633 - What about Jessie? 713 00:35:42,667 --> 00:35:45,066 - She was just a cool mom, 714 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:47,000 but she was alcoholic. 715 00:35:47,033 --> 00:35:50,600 - And tell me about Leo. - He was funny. 716 00:35:50,633 --> 00:35:53,633 He was a little dude. - [laughs] 717 00:35:53,667 --> 00:35:55,567 - Everybody was scared of him. 718 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,100 I remember, nobody messed with him. 719 00:35:58,133 --> 00:36:01,066 - Leo and Jessie's marriage wasn't a happy one, 720 00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:04,266 and it got even worse after Leo lost a limb in an accident. 721 00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:07,266 - And he had one arm, right? - Uh-huh, yes, he had one arm. 722 00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:10,367 What I was told is he was playing chicken 723 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,700 on the railroad track. 724 00:36:12,734 --> 00:36:15,367 And I don't know if it's true or not. 725 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,367 [gentle music] 726 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,533 ♪ ♪ 727 00:36:23,567 --> 00:36:25,233 - I know that you guys were all separated 728 00:36:25,266 --> 00:36:26,633 when Kathy was six. 729 00:36:26,667 --> 00:36:27,667 You would have been seven, right? 730 00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:29,000 - Mm-hmm. 731 00:36:29,033 --> 00:36:31,033 - Sandy would have been around eight? 732 00:36:31,066 --> 00:36:34,133 - Me and Sandy's a year and 11 days apart. 733 00:36:36,233 --> 00:36:39,767 - Linda's story is kind of tragic. 734 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,100 She had a rough childhood 735 00:36:42,133 --> 00:36:43,767 'cause, you know, her mom gave her away 736 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,700 and she kept running away to go see her real mom. 737 00:36:47,734 --> 00:36:51,333 - I love my mom and I wanted to be with her. 738 00:36:51,367 --> 00:36:53,100 And that's all I knew. 739 00:36:53,133 --> 00:36:56,266 I mean, even though I was adopted to good people, 740 00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:59,066 there was something missing in my heart, 741 00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:01,400 and I wanted my mom. 742 00:37:01,433 --> 00:37:04,266 But why she got rid of all of us to begin with 743 00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:09,667 is due to drinking and running around. 744 00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:13,734 She didn't want to be tied down to all of us kids. 745 00:37:13,767 --> 00:37:18,066 - Since their father Leo took Kathy to Oregon in 1959, 746 00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:22,100 no one in Oklahoma knew what happened to her. 747 00:37:22,133 --> 00:37:25,400 Then in 1977, when Kathy turned 24 years old, 748 00:37:25,433 --> 00:37:27,767 Linda finally heard from her sister. 749 00:37:30,734 --> 00:37:34,233 - She did come down here once when she was grown. 750 00:37:34,266 --> 00:37:36,200 She was flaunting money. 751 00:37:36,233 --> 00:37:41,233 Kathy had left her husband, and his name was Jug. 752 00:37:41,266 --> 00:37:45,100 And that's when she showed me pictures of the three babies. 753 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,433 She just left her kids with him. 754 00:37:50,467 --> 00:37:53,033 - We always suspected that Kathy was a mother, 755 00:37:53,066 --> 00:37:54,633 but now we have proof. 756 00:37:54,667 --> 00:37:59,300 - She said that she had three kids then. 757 00:37:59,333 --> 00:38:01,700 I couldn't imagine her having three 758 00:38:01,734 --> 00:38:06,033 'cause I just had the one, but she did show me pictures. 759 00:38:06,066 --> 00:38:08,200 - Do you know how old the kids were in those pictures? 760 00:38:08,233 --> 00:38:10,166 - They was young. 761 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,300 - We know that she's a mother, so there must be 762 00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:15,734 a family member out there looking for her. 763 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,200 - For 23 years, 764 00:38:19,233 --> 00:38:22,033 I said to the people that I was working with, 765 00:38:22,066 --> 00:38:24,734 "Somewhere out there there's somebody asking, 766 00:38:24,767 --> 00:38:26,367 'Where's my mom?' 'Where's my sister?' 767 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,333 And that's who I want to get the answers for." 768 00:38:29,367 --> 00:38:30,767 - But it's amazing. 769 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,367 - This is better than I expected. 770 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,100 - Now there's also the investigation of the homicide. 771 00:38:36,133 --> 00:38:37,333 - Mm-hmm. 772 00:38:37,367 --> 00:38:38,767 - That's something that's actively being worked. 773 00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:42,000 I can't really say anything until all of that happens. 774 00:38:42,033 --> 00:38:44,734 But we'll let you know how that goes. 775 00:38:44,767 --> 00:38:46,266 - Yeah. 776 00:38:48,066 --> 00:38:50,734 She's finally gonna get to rest. 777 00:38:50,767 --> 00:38:55,100 'Cause nobody who she was. 778 00:38:55,133 --> 00:38:57,066 [gentle music] 779 00:38:57,100 --> 00:39:00,767 But today it was like she finally got some peace. 780 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,100 ♪ ♪ 781 00:39:03,133 --> 00:39:06,100 - It was a very difficult conversation. 782 00:39:06,133 --> 00:39:07,433 But knowing the truth, 783 00:39:07,467 --> 00:39:10,100 hopefully this will help Linda heal. 784 00:39:10,133 --> 00:39:14,433 ♪ ♪ 785 00:39:14,467 --> 00:39:17,400 [tense music] 786 00:39:17,433 --> 00:39:20,333 ♪ ♪ 787 00:39:20,367 --> 00:39:22,367 - For me, this case is not over 788 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,200 until we can get some answers 789 00:39:24,233 --> 00:39:26,166 to find out who did this to Kathy, 790 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,233 and get those answers to Linda and her family. 791 00:39:28,266 --> 00:39:30,333 The good news to me is I have a name, Buxton. 792 00:39:30,367 --> 00:39:32,367 So why not, let's try and let's look 793 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,333 for property owners in Oregon. 794 00:39:35,367 --> 00:39:37,400 But then the team sends me 795 00:39:37,433 --> 00:39:41,400 a little, tiny newspaper article from 1966 796 00:39:41,433 --> 00:39:43,400 that listed the incident 797 00:39:43,433 --> 00:39:49,066 where Kathy's father Leo and his buddy die in a car. 798 00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:51,367 Leo, him and a buddy get stuck in the mud. 799 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,266 They leave the car running 'cause it's too cold outside, 800 00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:58,100 and they asphyxiate in the car. 801 00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:02,767 And as is common when people are mentioned 802 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,367 in newspaper articles, 803 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,133 it lists the city that they're from. 804 00:40:07,367 --> 00:40:09,166 And next to Leo's name was the words "Oakland, Oregon." 805 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:14,233 And that was the first time we got a city in Oregon 806 00:40:14,266 --> 00:40:16,734 where he's supposedly from. 807 00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,734 I know Oakland is a very small town. 808 00:40:21,767 --> 00:40:23,367 It's not like Salem or Portland 809 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,367 where you got hundreds of thousands of people. 810 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,033 So pretty quick property search 811 00:40:28,066 --> 00:40:30,367 of Douglas County Records for the name of "Buxton," 812 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,200 and up popped an older couple, so I gave them a call. 813 00:40:33,233 --> 00:40:35,200 He was more than helpful, but he was like 814 00:40:35,233 --> 00:40:37,367 "I'm sorry, I don't know the names you're throwing out." 815 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,367 I was about to hang up with him and he said, 816 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,433 "You know, people used to ask me when I moved here 817 00:40:41,467 --> 00:40:43,300 if I'm related to Richard Buxton," 818 00:40:43,333 --> 00:40:45,367 who I guess has been around here forever. 819 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,166 So I called Richard, 820 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,233 I started to tell him a little bit about my case, 821 00:40:49,266 --> 00:40:51,033 and he interrupted me and he said, 822 00:40:51,066 --> 00:40:53,367 "Is this about my adopted sister Kathy?" 823 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,400 [light dramatic music] 824 00:40:56,433 --> 00:40:58,100 ♪ ♪ 825 00:41:02,233 --> 00:41:04,533 [light dramatic music] 826 00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:07,600 ♪ ♪ 827 00:41:07,633 --> 00:41:11,367 - 23 years after our Jane Doe was murdered, 828 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,600 we finally know her name is Kathy Thomas, 829 00:41:14,633 --> 00:41:17,400 born in Oklahoma. 830 00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:20,066 Kathy's father, Leo, 831 00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:24,066 took six-year-old Kathy to Oregon in 1959, 832 00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:27,734 and adopted her out to a family named Buxton. 833 00:41:29,133 --> 00:41:31,734 - Kathy's adopted brother, Richard, lives in Oregon. 834 00:41:31,767 --> 00:41:33,600 We're on our way to see him to find out 835 00:41:33,633 --> 00:41:36,600 what he knows about Kathy. 836 00:41:36,633 --> 00:41:39,033 Which I knew was a small town in Oregon, 837 00:41:39,066 --> 00:41:43,133 so that caused me to search property records in Oakland 838 00:41:43,166 --> 00:41:45,100 for someone named Buxton, 839 00:41:45,133 --> 00:41:47,600 and I found an old couple who are in their 80s, 840 00:41:47,633 --> 00:41:49,467 and they didn't know anything about the names 841 00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,767 I was giving them, but right before I hung up, 842 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,033 they said, "People used to always ask me, 843 00:41:54,066 --> 00:41:56,033 'Are you related to Richard Buxton?'" 844 00:41:56,066 --> 00:41:58,200 - Right. - And so I thought, well, 845 00:41:58,233 --> 00:42:01,233 let's try to find Richard, and I did find him. 846 00:42:01,266 --> 00:42:03,467 When I started talking to Richard, 847 00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:05,133 telling him a little bit about our case, 848 00:42:05,166 --> 00:42:07,100 and he interrupted me and said, 849 00:42:07,133 --> 00:42:09,767 "Is this about my adopted sister Kathy?" 850 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,633 I was just speechless. 851 00:42:11,667 --> 00:42:13,567 You know, I'm like, here we are. 852 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,467 I found somebody who knows Kathy. 853 00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:17,633 He said, "Well, her dad's name was Leo. 854 00:42:17,667 --> 00:42:19,467 Her mom's name was Jessie." 855 00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:21,467 I'm like, "Oh, Richard, you and I 856 00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:23,033 are going to be doing a lot of talking, I think." 857 00:42:23,066 --> 00:42:24,433 - A lot of talking. 858 00:42:25,567 --> 00:42:27,433 We've just got such huge gaps in Kathy's life, 859 00:42:27,467 --> 00:42:31,433 so it would be nice to fill in some of these blanks. 860 00:42:38,133 --> 00:42:40,600 There we go. 861 00:42:45,166 --> 00:42:48,166 - Hi, Rick. Nice to meet you. - You too. 862 00:42:52,467 --> 00:42:55,166 - I think so. 863 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,433 - Oh, sweet! 864 00:42:57,467 --> 00:42:59,133 - My wife dug out stuff out of an old cedar chest 865 00:42:59,166 --> 00:43:01,133 that I had ended up with. 866 00:43:01,166 --> 00:43:04,000 Didn't even know I had all this stuff. 867 00:43:04,033 --> 00:43:06,166 - Oh, my God, look how cute you guys look. 868 00:43:08,133 --> 00:43:09,467 Richard was six years old, 869 00:43:10,734 --> 00:43:13,467 the same age Kathy was, when Kathy arrived with Leo. 870 00:43:14,667 --> 00:43:17,066 - There are some teenage ones in there. 871 00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:19,133 - Mm-hmm. - Probably junior high. 872 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,233 - Richard's parents, Ailene and Orlin Buxton, 873 00:43:24,266 --> 00:43:26,233 owned several properties. 874 00:43:26,266 --> 00:43:31,567 One they rented to Leo and Kathy around 1960. 875 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:36,233 - This is the house that her and Leo stayed in 876 00:43:36,266 --> 00:43:38,166 when they came. 877 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,300 They lived in this room up here. 878 00:43:42,266 --> 00:43:45,000 My mom had made all these into apartments, 879 00:43:45,033 --> 00:43:48,200 little single room, and they stayed up there. 880 00:43:48,233 --> 00:43:50,600 - These are amazing. Why don't we do this? 881 00:43:50,633 --> 00:43:52,100 Why don't we take a drive 882 00:43:52,133 --> 00:43:54,533 out to the house where you guys grew up? 883 00:43:54,567 --> 00:43:56,166 - Yeah. - We'll just follow you. 884 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,033 - Okay. - Yep. 885 00:44:06,633 --> 00:44:09,266 - It's changed a lot, huh? 886 00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:10,633 This was your guys' house? 887 00:44:12,734 --> 00:44:15,233 - When you first met Kathy, you were an only child, right? 888 00:44:15,266 --> 00:44:16,533 - Mm-hmm. 889 00:44:16,567 --> 00:44:19,200 - So what was it like having her around? 890 00:44:19,233 --> 00:44:21,266 - She'd come walking up every morning, 891 00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:23,200 my mom would let her come in and eat 892 00:44:23,233 --> 00:44:24,734 because she never had anything. 893 00:44:24,767 --> 00:44:26,633 She didn't have any shoes. 894 00:44:26,667 --> 00:44:28,767 We had a heck of a time getting her to wear shoes. 895 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,266 I can remember a story 896 00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:33,367 that her dad would go into a beer joint. 897 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,066 Shouldn't have even took a kid in a beer joint, 898 00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:36,100 but you could back then. 899 00:44:36,133 --> 00:44:38,300 She could sing. 900 00:44:38,333 --> 00:44:42,367 And she would sing and pass the hat. 901 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,767 - Maybe that's why he took her? 902 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,767 He figured she could make money for them. 903 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,133 - Oh, I think he'd just make food, is what I think, 904 00:44:48,166 --> 00:44:50,266 or beer. 905 00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:52,266 - Horrible life for a kid. 906 00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:55,700 - Yeah. 907 00:44:55,734 --> 00:44:58,133 Her dad was a loser. 908 00:45:02,133 --> 00:45:04,633 - Richard's mother, Ailene Buxton, 909 00:45:04,667 --> 00:45:06,667 took Kathy under her wing 910 00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:10,033 and became a positive influence in her life. 911 00:45:10,066 --> 00:45:13,000 She even set up a bedroom inside their home for Kathy, 912 00:45:13,033 --> 00:45:15,567 and bought her clothes. 913 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,033 - She'd come up and never leave and-- 914 00:45:18,066 --> 00:45:20,633 [laughs] - Became a permanent guest? 915 00:45:20,667 --> 00:45:22,767 - Did Leo bring up the idea of the adoption or did your mom? 916 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,367 - My mom. 917 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,667 Leo left to go find work and never come back. 918 00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:31,066 And then he got in contact with my mom 919 00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:35,333 and he was up against it, and my mom sent him $5,000, 920 00:45:35,367 --> 00:45:37,367 which was a lot of money in 1960. 921 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,166 - Sure. - Yeah it was. 922 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,667 - And he signed the adoption papers. 923 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,700 - She became Richard's adopted sister. 924 00:45:48,567 --> 00:45:51,033 - My mother wanted a daughter. 925 00:45:51,066 --> 00:45:52,333 They couldn't have any kids. 926 00:45:52,367 --> 00:45:55,633 They adopted me when I was, like, a newborn. 927 00:45:55,667 --> 00:45:59,066 - Growing up, Kathy and Richard lost their adopted dad 928 00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:00,333 to heart disease, 929 00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:03,100 but Kathy became close to her new mom, Ailene. 930 00:46:03,133 --> 00:46:08,400 Ten years later, in 1970, Ailene became ill with cancer. 931 00:46:08,433 --> 00:46:11,700 It hit Kathy particularly hard. 932 00:46:11,734 --> 00:46:14,700 [gentle music] 933 00:46:14,734 --> 00:46:16,133 ♪ ♪ 934 00:46:17,266 --> 00:46:19,767 So when Kathy meets 18-year-old Carl Tracy, 935 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,333 she was very vulnerable. 936 00:46:23,367 --> 00:46:27,233 Though Kathy was only 16, she and Carl tied the knot. 937 00:46:27,266 --> 00:46:29,400 Soon after, she was pregnant. 938 00:46:29,433 --> 00:46:32,433 They were both teenagers, so it was no shock 939 00:46:32,467 --> 00:46:34,667 that the relationship didn't last long. 940 00:46:37,033 --> 00:46:39,700 - They got married in August of '70. 941 00:46:39,734 --> 00:46:41,767 They got divorced in April of '71. 942 00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:48,433 And he left the state almost immediately 943 00:46:48,467 --> 00:46:50,300 and joined the Navy. 944 00:46:50,333 --> 00:46:53,767 I don't know if Carl paid child support. 945 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,367 Hard to know what Carl actually thought at the time. 946 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,000 Carl's actions are certainly suspect. 947 00:47:01,033 --> 00:47:02,367 Perhaps he didn't want to be tied down 948 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,367 with a child or child support. 949 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,333 - Kathy gives birth to a daughter in July. 950 00:47:13,367 --> 00:47:17,400 She names her Tina Ailene, in honor of her sick mom. 951 00:47:17,433 --> 00:47:20,400 [gentle music] 952 00:47:20,433 --> 00:47:27,400 ♪ ♪ 953 00:47:28,433 --> 00:47:30,367 Really, the only people that truly cared 954 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,000 about her was your mom, 955 00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:34,700 and then she lost her at such a young, vulnerable age. 956 00:47:34,734 --> 00:47:37,100 - Her security blanket was gone. 957 00:47:37,133 --> 00:47:38,233 - Yeah. 958 00:47:38,266 --> 00:47:41,000 In her will, Ailene left a large estate 959 00:47:41,033 --> 00:47:46,367 to Richard and Kathy to split when they turned 25. 960 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,467 - A couple years later, she was broke 961 00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:52,100 and wanted to sell her part of the escrow that we'd set up. 962 00:47:52,133 --> 00:47:54,066 And I tried to talk her out of it. 963 00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:55,000 If she would have kept it, 964 00:47:56,033 --> 00:47:59,033 it would have amounted to $360,000. 965 00:47:59,066 --> 00:48:02,533 She would have had $1,000 a month coming for 30 years. 966 00:48:02,567 --> 00:48:05,333 - Starting when you were 25. - Yes. 967 00:48:05,367 --> 00:48:08,100 I mean, that don't sound like much now, but it was then. 968 00:48:08,133 --> 00:48:11,266 - She just wanted the money. - She wanted out. 969 00:48:12,367 --> 00:48:15,734 She sold me her part of the escrow. 970 00:48:15,767 --> 00:48:18,300 It was a bad choice. Very bad choice. 971 00:48:18,333 --> 00:48:20,033 - Very bad choice, versus hanging onto it. 972 00:48:20,066 --> 00:48:21,033 - Yeah. 973 00:48:21,066 --> 00:48:24,033 [somber music] 974 00:48:24,066 --> 00:48:29,066 ♪ ♪ 975 00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:31,000 - Tina's entitled to Kathy's share of that. 976 00:48:31,033 --> 00:48:33,433 - Yeah. - And I still got it. 977 00:48:33,467 --> 00:48:35,400 - And your mom, I'm sure, would feel the same way. 978 00:48:35,433 --> 00:48:40,033 - Yeah, but I'm afraid Tina ain't with us. 979 00:48:40,066 --> 00:48:42,033 I don't know who told me that, 980 00:48:42,066 --> 00:48:44,100 but somebody said that that Tina had passed away. 981 00:48:44,133 --> 00:48:51,033 ♪ ♪ 982 00:48:51,066 --> 00:48:54,734 - Richard told us that Kathy's daughter Tina died. 983 00:48:54,767 --> 00:48:58,033 But we have to find out if that's true. 984 00:48:59,467 --> 00:49:02,533 But a search for Tina Ailene comes up empty. 985 00:49:02,567 --> 00:49:05,100 So we need to track down Carl Tracy, 986 00:49:05,133 --> 00:49:08,033 Kathy's ex-husband, Tina's father. 987 00:49:08,066 --> 00:49:10,467 Does he know anything about Kathy's murder? 988 00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:13,333 Spouses, whether they are still married or not, 989 00:49:13,367 --> 00:49:17,033 are always potential suspects. 990 00:49:17,066 --> 00:49:21,100 - We're trying to find out more information about her. 991 00:49:30,066 --> 00:49:32,133 - Why do you doubt that they got divorced? 992 00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:38,133 [light dramatic music] 993 00:49:38,166 --> 00:49:39,767 ♪ ♪ 994 00:49:43,767 --> 00:49:47,100 [light dramatic music] 995 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,066 [tense music] 996 00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:55,033 ♪ ♪ 997 00:49:55,066 --> 00:49:58,700 - In Oregon, Kathy's adopted brother, Richard Buxton, 998 00:49:58,734 --> 00:50:01,200 told us that Kathy had given birth 999 00:50:01,233 --> 00:50:05,633 to a daughter named Tina Ailene when she was 17 years old. 1000 00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:11,533 Richard also revealed that Kathy had married 1001 00:50:11,567 --> 00:50:13,633 and divorced the father, Carl Tracy. 1002 00:50:13,667 --> 00:50:16,633 We have to find out if Carl knows anything 1003 00:50:16,667 --> 00:50:19,567 about his ex-wife's murder, but first we have to find him. 1004 00:50:20,667 --> 00:50:25,033 - The records I found show that he lived in the Las Vegas area. 1005 00:50:25,066 --> 00:50:28,066 [line ringing] 1006 00:50:31,533 --> 00:50:33,600 - Hey, is this Carl Tracy? 1007 00:50:33,633 --> 00:50:34,667 My name's John Williams, I'm a detective 1008 00:50:36,166 --> 00:50:39,066 with the Polk County Sheriff's Office up in Oregon. 1009 00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:41,100 Wanted to know if you might have a few minutes 1010 00:50:41,133 --> 00:50:43,100 I could talk to you about Kathy, 1011 00:50:43,133 --> 00:50:45,100 who you were married to years ago? 1012 00:50:47,633 --> 00:50:49,100 - The information I've been able to find 1013 00:50:49,133 --> 00:50:51,533 was that she had a girl with you, 1014 00:50:51,567 --> 00:50:53,533 and I think her name was Tina, 1015 00:50:53,567 --> 00:50:57,100 but we've not been able to find any information about Tina. 1016 00:50:57,133 --> 00:50:59,633 We were hoping that she might have-- 1017 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,100 - Okay. 1018 00:51:07,133 --> 00:51:08,633 This might actually be true, 1019 00:51:08,667 --> 00:51:11,133 'cause Kathy has family out in Oklahoma. 1020 00:51:11,166 --> 00:51:14,066 So I felt this was the time now I could reveal to Carl 1021 00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:15,133 a little more about Kathy. 1022 00:51:15,166 --> 00:51:17,633 Kathy is deceased, 1023 00:51:17,667 --> 00:51:20,133 and we're trying to find out what happened to her. 1024 00:51:24,166 --> 00:51:27,633 - Did you ever see her after you guys got divorced? 1025 00:51:39,033 --> 00:51:42,000 - Did you see her with somebody or not at all? 1026 00:51:47,133 --> 00:51:49,567 - When Carl said the name Jug Gardner, 1027 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,667 that immediately rang a bell. 1028 00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:56,033 Linda told me that when Kathy came out for that visit, 1029 00:51:56,066 --> 00:51:58,133 that her husband's name was Jug. 1030 00:51:58,166 --> 00:52:00,133 Did you ever hear that she got married to him 1031 00:52:00,166 --> 00:52:02,133 after she got married to you? 1032 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,200 - Yeah. 1033 00:52:05,233 --> 00:52:14,200 - Okay. 1034 00:52:14,233 --> 00:52:17,066 - Well, thank you, Carl. 1035 00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:20,100 - Detective Williams finds no evidence linking Carl Tracy 1036 00:52:20,133 --> 00:52:22,133 to his ex-wife's murder. 1037 00:52:22,166 --> 00:52:24,100 - When Carl and Kathy got divorced, 1038 00:52:24,133 --> 00:52:27,000 he joined the Navy and then once he got out of the Navy, 1039 00:52:27,033 --> 00:52:29,600 he's been living in Nevada, and have been for decades. 1040 00:52:29,633 --> 00:52:32,667 There was no evidence that Carl was in Oregon 1041 00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:35,200 at the time Kathy was killed. 1042 00:52:35,233 --> 00:52:37,700 - Now, we need to find out what we can 1043 00:52:37,734 --> 00:52:40,667 about James Gardner, nicknamed Jug. 1044 00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:43,667 Is he still possibly in the area? 1045 00:52:45,133 --> 00:52:47,734 - We looked at birth records, marriage records, 1046 00:52:47,767 --> 00:52:50,467 employment records, 1047 00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:53,633 and James "Jug" Gardner was a laborer. 1048 00:52:55,166 --> 00:52:57,767 And what was interesting, he rented an apartment 1049 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,066 in the same building that Kathy lived in, 1050 00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:03,066 and they must have hit it off. 1051 00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:05,333 - At the time, Kathy was all alone. 1052 00:53:05,367 --> 00:53:07,734 She never had any close friends, 1053 00:53:07,767 --> 00:53:10,300 probably stemming from being abandoned 1054 00:53:10,333 --> 00:53:12,166 by her biological parents. 1055 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,033 Just 18 years old and with an infant daughter to raise, 1056 00:53:16,066 --> 00:53:19,734 Kathy turns to Jug for support. 1057 00:53:19,767 --> 00:53:23,734 According to court records, the couple marry in December, 1058 00:53:23,767 --> 00:53:26,433 two months after her mother's death. 1059 00:53:28,266 --> 00:53:31,433 Birth certificates reveal that in 1973, 1060 00:53:31,467 --> 00:53:36,266 Kathy gave birth to her second child, James, Jr., 1061 00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:40,433 and then her third child, Candice, in 1974. 1062 00:53:43,433 --> 00:53:47,000 Kathy and James Gardner had split up. 1063 00:53:47,033 --> 00:53:49,100 We need to find husband number two. 1064 00:53:49,133 --> 00:53:51,100 He might know something more 1065 00:53:51,133 --> 00:53:55,100 about where Kathy was the night she was killed. 1066 00:53:56,233 --> 00:53:58,233 - James Gardner, second husband, 1067 00:53:58,266 --> 00:54:00,367 had a lot of addresses in his history. 1068 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,767 A lot of phone numbers. They were all disconnected. 1069 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,767 I was lucky enough to reach his sister. 1070 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,667 She was not close to James. 1071 00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:09,500 She said, "I don't really know where he's at, 1072 00:54:09,533 --> 00:54:13,000 but he's in Sutherland somewhere." 1073 00:54:13,033 --> 00:54:16,000 [suspenseful music] 1074 00:54:16,033 --> 00:54:23,033 ♪ ♪ 1075 00:54:30,166 --> 00:54:32,266 So it's this side of the street. 1076 00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:34,200 It's probably that blue house right there. 1077 00:54:34,233 --> 00:54:37,166 There's a lady. I'm gonna go talk to her. 1078 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,533 - You go knock on the door, 1079 00:54:38,567 --> 00:54:41,300 and I can listen in the car what's going on. 1080 00:54:41,333 --> 00:54:44,333 - Hi there! 1081 00:54:44,367 --> 00:54:46,166 I work for the Polk County Sheriff's Office 1082 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,300 up in the Salem area. 1083 00:54:48,333 --> 00:54:51,467 I was trying to find a guy named James Gardner. 1084 00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:54,467 Does he live here? 1085 00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,066 - Well, he's not in trouble. 1086 00:54:57,100 --> 00:54:59,066 He's my I.D. 1087 00:55:00,333 --> 00:55:02,734 - I'm in the car watching and listening, 1088 00:55:02,767 --> 00:55:05,767 I'm not sure who the woman is, maybe James' wife, 1089 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,033 but I hope she can convince him to come out and talk. 1090 00:55:09,066 --> 00:55:11,166 - Hey, are you James? 1091 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,000 - My name's John Williams. 1092 00:55:16,066 --> 00:55:19,500 - Kathy's been missing for about 23 years, since '96. 1093 00:55:21,033 --> 00:55:24,467 - And we're trying to find out more information about her. 1094 00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:38,533 - I've got a helper helping me with this investigation. 1095 00:55:38,567 --> 00:55:42,100 Do you mind if she walks over and joins in the conversation? 1096 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,266 - James, this is Yolanda. - Hi. 1097 00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:50,433 - Without mentioning that Kathy was dead, 1098 00:55:50,467 --> 00:55:52,433 we asked James about their relationship. 1099 00:55:52,467 --> 00:55:55,066 - When you guys got married, 1100 00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:58,166 I think it was like in '71, 1101 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,166 did she have a kid? 1102 00:56:01,533 --> 00:56:03,333 - My understanding is that you guys 1103 00:56:03,367 --> 00:56:06,100 had two kids together. 1104 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,400 - What happened with the kids 1105 00:56:10,433 --> 00:56:13,000 when you got divorced from Kathy? 1106 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,100 - Okay. 1107 00:56:28,133 --> 00:56:31,200 James was told by Oklahoma Child Welfare 1108 00:56:31,233 --> 00:56:33,400 that Kathy had the kids removed from her 1109 00:56:33,433 --> 00:56:36,333 because she would leave them alone, unattended. 1110 00:56:36,367 --> 00:56:38,400 And at the time, they would have been five, 1111 00:56:38,433 --> 00:56:40,100 six, seven years old. 1112 00:56:40,133 --> 00:56:42,367 And all three got put into foster care? 1113 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,433 - And they were adopted out? 1114 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,233 - It sounds like history is repeating itself. 1115 00:56:48,266 --> 00:56:50,066 Kathy and her biological sisters 1116 00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:51,400 were separated from their parents 1117 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,400 when they were about the same age as Kathy's kids. 1118 00:56:55,433 --> 00:56:59,500 I'm not a therapist, but I can see how Kathy's troubled past 1119 00:56:59,533 --> 00:57:02,467 affected her ability to have a normal relationship, 1120 00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:05,467 or to parent three small children. 1121 00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:09,533 James may have been upset with Kathy for losing his kids, 1122 00:57:09,567 --> 00:57:11,266 but that's not all. 1123 00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:13,200 Money may have also played a part. 1124 00:57:13,233 --> 00:57:16,367 Kathy was due to inherit a fortune when she turned 25. 1125 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,100 In my book, 1126 00:57:19,333 --> 00:57:21,166 that's a strong motivation if they were still married. 1127 00:57:22,367 --> 00:57:25,266 - Did she ever receive any kind of inheritance from her mom? 1128 00:57:34,166 --> 00:57:35,533 - But you didn't see any of that 1129 00:57:35,567 --> 00:57:37,400 when you are married to Kathy? 1130 00:57:39,467 --> 00:57:41,266 - Okay. 1131 00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:51,266 - James Gardner last saw Kathy years before her death. 1132 00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:54,100 And he was living in southern Oregon, 1133 00:57:54,133 --> 00:57:56,133 and there's really nothing to show 1134 00:57:56,166 --> 00:57:58,633 that he had anything to do with her death. 1135 00:58:04,467 --> 00:58:07,433 - Whatever happened with Tina? 1136 00:58:08,333 --> 00:58:10,567 - I'm not sure on that. 1137 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,467 - Do you still have contact with James and Candy? 1138 00:58:15,433 --> 00:58:17,433 - Okay. - All right. 1139 00:58:17,467 --> 00:58:19,233 - Well... 1140 00:58:19,266 --> 00:58:22,133 - No, you gave us some information we didn't have, 1141 00:58:22,166 --> 00:58:24,166 so we appreciate it. 1142 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,266 - Candice and James found their biological father. 1143 00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:30,567 Could they have reconnected with Kathy before her death? 1144 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,433 We've got to find them. 1145 00:58:32,467 --> 00:58:35,166 - Uncle Billy who told us that those kids may still 1146 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,467 be living in Oklahoma, and sure enough, 1147 00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:41,333 I found a number for Candice Thomas in Tulsa. 1148 00:58:41,367 --> 00:58:43,467 I've been wanting to call her, but I really don't have 1149 00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:45,567 the heart to break the news over the telephone 1150 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,467 that her mother passed away. 1151 00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:50,467 [tense music] 1152 00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:57,500 ♪ ♪ 1153 00:58:59,500 --> 00:59:01,567 Hi Candy, my name's John Williams. 1154 00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,567 I'm a detective with the Polk County Sheriff's Office 1155 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,233 up in Oregon. 1156 00:59:05,266 --> 00:59:06,500 How are you doing? 1157 00:59:06,533 --> 00:59:07,600 - The reason I'm calling 1158 00:59:08,633 --> 00:59:11,500 is I've had a case for about 23 years, 1159 00:59:11,533 --> 00:59:15,133 and we've determined that it involves your mother, Kathy. 1160 00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:28,500 [light dramatic music] 1161 00:59:28,533 --> 00:59:30,367 ♪ ♪ 1162 00:59:33,734 --> 00:59:36,300 [light dramatic music] 1163 00:59:36,667 --> 00:59:37,266 ♪ ♪ 1164 00:59:37,667 --> 00:59:41,166 [gentle music] 1165 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,600 - For the past 11 months, Detective Williams and I 1166 00:59:44,633 --> 00:59:47,734 have been trying to track down what happened to Kathy Thomas 1167 00:59:47,767 --> 00:59:51,667 and if her first child, Tina, is still alive. 1168 00:59:51,700 --> 00:59:57,300 We located her youngest child, Candice Thomas, in Oklahoma, 1169 00:59:57,333 --> 00:59:59,600 to find out what she might know. 1170 01:00:30,066 --> 01:00:32,233 - This was such an incredible moment 1171 01:00:32,266 --> 01:00:34,600 for Detective Williams and I. 1172 01:00:34,633 --> 01:00:37,767 Everyone thought that something possibly happened to Tina, 1173 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,066 and now both of us couldn't be more excited to know 1174 01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:42,734 that Tina's here and well. 1175 01:00:42,767 --> 01:00:45,734 [uneasy music] 1176 01:00:45,767 --> 01:00:50,667 ♪ ♪ 1177 01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:53,567 Well, I am hoping that Candy is still in touch with Tina. 1178 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,700 - Yeah. 1179 01:00:55,734 --> 01:00:58,600 - It's just gonna be an emotional moment. 1180 01:00:58,633 --> 01:01:00,600 'Cause for the first time, you are going to hear 1181 01:01:00,633 --> 01:01:05,066 that your mother was murdered 23 years ago. 1182 01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:07,600 - It's a death notification, it really is. 1183 01:01:07,633 --> 01:01:08,700 - Mm-hmm. 1184 01:01:10,233 --> 01:01:11,667 - I've done a few of those, and they're not pleasant. 1185 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,767 - This should be five and maybe the next one is seven. 1186 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,266 All right, here we go. 1187 01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:25,700 [dog barking distantly] 1188 01:01:25,734 --> 01:01:27,700 [knocking on door] 1189 01:01:29,767 --> 01:01:32,567 - Hi. Are you Candy? - Yep. 1190 01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,266 Candice is what I go by. both: Candice. 1191 01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:35,567 - Candice. - All right. John Williams. 1192 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,633 - Nice to meet you. - Hi, Yolanda McClary. 1193 01:01:37,667 --> 01:01:38,734 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 1194 01:01:38,767 --> 01:01:40,066 Well, thank you for seeing us. 1195 01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:43,066 [gentle music] 1196 01:01:54,633 --> 01:01:56,500 [Candice sighs] 1197 01:02:04,667 --> 01:02:11,367 - The only memories that I have was from the foster home on. 1198 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:15,133 I have no visual memories 1199 01:02:15,166 --> 01:02:17,133 of James or Kathy at all. 1200 01:02:17,166 --> 01:02:19,533 My mom and dad kept all the details from us. 1201 01:02:19,567 --> 01:02:21,433 Everybody knew but us, which, I mean, 1202 01:02:21,467 --> 01:02:23,500 you're not gonna tell kids, you know, what happened. 1203 01:02:25,533 --> 01:02:27,300 - Were you adopted together, all of you? 1204 01:02:27,333 --> 01:02:29,133 - James and I were adopted together. 1205 01:02:29,166 --> 01:02:30,567 - Okay. 1206 01:02:31,633 --> 01:02:33,333 - Tina was adopted one month before we were. 1207 01:02:33,367 --> 01:02:37,033 I can't tell you how we ended split up. 1208 01:02:37,066 --> 01:02:40,734 I can't tell you why Tina ended up somewhere else. 1209 01:02:40,767 --> 01:02:44,600 I just know that she did. 1210 01:02:44,633 --> 01:02:48,333 I just know that she wasn't with me anymore. 1211 01:02:48,367 --> 01:02:50,567 We saw each other off and on for a couple years, 1212 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,033 and then we grew apart. 1213 01:02:52,066 --> 01:02:54,166 There was just, I don't know, 1214 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,100 a lot of outside factors that kept us apart, I think. 1215 01:02:58,133 --> 01:03:01,567 It's just, um-- 1216 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,567 it's just really, really hard 1217 01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:08,500 because we're all so scarred, and we're all so hurt. 1218 01:03:08,533 --> 01:03:14,200 And we haven't known anything, I mean, anything at all. 1219 01:03:14,233 --> 01:03:17,433 So we've just walked around with a lot of hatred and anger 1220 01:03:17,467 --> 01:03:19,133 for many, many years. 1221 01:03:19,166 --> 01:03:23,166 I just knew that I was angry and I wanted to find her, 1222 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,400 and I wanted to tell her off, and I wanted questions, 1223 01:03:26,433 --> 01:03:30,100 I wanted to know why. 1224 01:03:30,133 --> 01:03:31,600 And unfortunately, you know, 1225 01:03:31,633 --> 01:03:33,400 I'm never gonna get that answer. 1226 01:03:33,433 --> 01:03:36,200 I'm never gonna be able to ask her, "Why?" 1227 01:03:36,233 --> 01:03:40,500 Why she did the things she did. It's just not gonna happen. 1228 01:03:40,533 --> 01:03:42,600 My mom was young. 1229 01:03:42,633 --> 01:03:45,767 You know, she had a rough life. 1230 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,600 It's very understandable that my mom would make mistakes 1231 01:03:49,633 --> 01:03:51,633 and that she needed support. 1232 01:03:51,667 --> 01:03:53,633 And then it finally dawned on me that, you know, 1233 01:03:53,667 --> 01:03:57,734 my mom was the victim and not the perpetrator in that crime, 1234 01:03:57,767 --> 01:04:00,600 and so it changed things quite a bit. 1235 01:04:00,633 --> 01:04:05,066 It completely-- it changed things. 1236 01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:07,567 - But what's important is, it's not your fault, 1237 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,033 what happened to you. 1238 01:04:09,066 --> 01:04:11,600 It's not Tina's fault, and it's not James' fault. 1239 01:04:11,633 --> 01:04:16,033 I mean, you were kind of the victims of Kathy's 1240 01:04:16,066 --> 01:04:17,767 not able to take care of you. 1241 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,166 So maybe something good that can come out of this 1242 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,066 is you guys can put aside whatever it was 1243 01:04:25,100 --> 01:04:29,633 and reconnect and stay connected and, you know. 1244 01:04:29,667 --> 01:04:31,133 - And I think we will. 1245 01:04:31,166 --> 01:04:34,734 We slowly are, and this'll help get some closure 1246 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,133 to maybe start healing a little bit. 1247 01:04:37,166 --> 01:04:40,133 [somber music] 1248 01:04:40,166 --> 01:04:47,100 ♪ ♪ 1249 01:04:47,133 --> 01:04:52,467 I know, but they've got a lot of information. 1250 01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:55,567 I mean, I found out a lot. 1251 01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,500 And they would like to talk to you. 1252 01:04:58,533 --> 01:05:01,133 I mean... 1253 01:05:03,767 --> 01:05:05,734 Would you like-- would you want to-- 1254 01:05:05,767 --> 01:05:08,133 - Yeah, why don't you talk to her. 1255 01:05:08,166 --> 01:05:11,166 Ah. 1256 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,233 - Hi Tina. My name's John Williams. 1257 01:05:15,266 --> 01:05:20,233 - I've been working this case for over six years, 1258 01:05:20,266 --> 01:05:22,533 and then Yolanda and her team 1259 01:05:22,567 --> 01:05:26,734 started to assist me in doing genealogical DNA testing, 1260 01:05:26,767 --> 01:05:29,133 and we were able to finally determine 1261 01:05:29,166 --> 01:05:30,567 just a couple months ago 1262 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,734 that it was in fact Kathy, your mom. 1263 01:05:37,266 --> 01:05:38,767 - I wish we could've provided 1264 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,066 this info to you and Candice years ago, 1265 01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:45,633 but unfortunately it finally took till technology 1266 01:05:45,667 --> 01:05:50,066 kind of caught up with these kind of cases. 1267 01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:56,633 - Yeah. 1268 01:05:56,667 --> 01:05:59,633 - Tell me the last thing you remember. 1269 01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:17,033 - I can only tell you some of the things that we found. 1270 01:06:17,066 --> 01:06:23,266 So you have an Aunt Sandy and an Aunt Linda. 1271 01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:26,567 Linda, your aunt, would love to talk to you. 1272 01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:31,166 - I had no idea about my aunt. 1273 01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,667 No clue. I did know that some of-- 1274 01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:36,200 that we had some family members in Okemah. 1275 01:06:36,233 --> 01:06:41,233 And obviously I'm amazed, I'm in shock. 1276 01:06:41,266 --> 01:06:42,533 I'm excited. 1277 01:06:43,533 --> 01:06:45,600 - We're going to meet with your aunt tomorrow. 1278 01:06:45,633 --> 01:06:48,300 - Got some family members who would love to meet you. 1279 01:06:52,033 --> 01:06:55,000 - We appreciate you talking to us. 1280 01:06:55,033 --> 01:06:57,300 - So-- 1281 01:06:57,333 --> 01:06:58,700 - Thanks, Tina. Have a good night. 1282 01:06:58,734 --> 01:07:01,367 - Thanks Tina. 1283 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,200 - Give me a hug. - Oh. 1284 01:07:03,233 --> 01:07:04,233 - Gosh. 1285 01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:07,633 You have a lot to sink in, but it'll be all right. 1286 01:07:07,667 --> 01:07:10,533 Well, thank you guys. - I hope I see you tomorrow. 1287 01:07:19,166 --> 01:07:21,633 - I said many times over the years, 1288 01:07:21,667 --> 01:07:23,600 somewhere out there, there's somebody, 1289 01:07:23,633 --> 01:07:27,667 and this is better than I expected, 1290 01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:30,400 to be able to actually meet Kathy's relatives 1291 01:07:30,433 --> 01:07:33,333 and give them the information that they've been looking for. 1292 01:07:33,367 --> 01:07:36,100 'Cause you were all adopted, - Mm-hmm. 1293 01:07:36,133 --> 01:07:39,300 - And then Kathy's kids were adopted. 1294 01:07:39,333 --> 01:07:40,667 - They were adopt-- - Oh, really? 1295 01:07:40,700 --> 01:07:42,633 - Yeah, they were adopted too. 1296 01:07:42,667 --> 01:07:44,066 - Ooh. 1297 01:07:44,100 --> 01:07:46,000 - Yeah, all three of them were adopted. 1298 01:07:46,033 --> 01:07:48,567 - Oh, here we go again. 1299 01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,633 - I'll be right back. 1300 01:07:50,667 --> 01:07:55,200 - I mean, it just screws up the family so bad. 1301 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:05,066 - Linda, I want to introduce you to your nieces. 1302 01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:06,667 - Oh, my God! 1303 01:08:06,700 --> 01:08:09,667 [light dramatic music] 1304 01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:11,200 ♪ ♪ 1305 01:08:15,467 --> 01:08:17,700 [light dramatic music] 1306 01:08:18,266 --> 01:08:18,667 ♪ ♪ 1307 01:08:19,266 --> 01:08:20,533 [gentle music] 1308 01:08:21,533 --> 01:08:24,633 - Linda, I want to introduce you to your nieces. 1309 01:08:24,667 --> 01:08:27,367 - Oh, my god! - This is Candice. 1310 01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,500 - Are you serious? - And that's Tina. 1311 01:08:29,533 --> 01:08:31,500 - Oh, my God! 1312 01:08:31,533 --> 01:08:34,367 Oh, man. 1313 01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,500 That's all I've ever wanted. 1314 01:08:38,533 --> 01:08:41,467 It's amazing. 1315 01:08:41,500 --> 01:08:46,433 And I got to say, you look like your mother. 1316 01:08:46,467 --> 01:08:49,100 You know it? - No. 1317 01:08:49,133 --> 01:08:54,300 - You do. You look like your mother. 1318 01:08:54,333 --> 01:08:58,033 - It's still very shocking. 1319 01:09:00,433 --> 01:09:02,367 - That's all I've ever wanted. 1320 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,133 Almost like an out-of-body experience for me. 1321 01:09:05,166 --> 01:09:08,367 Many, many years I've always wondered, 1322 01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,367 I've always thought to myself, if only I knew. 1323 01:09:15,533 --> 01:09:19,033 - If only I had something to fill in those blanks. 1324 01:09:23,133 --> 01:09:25,700 - All of a sudden, it was right there in my lap. 1325 01:09:25,734 --> 01:09:29,433 [light music] 1326 01:09:29,467 --> 01:09:32,133 I could remember her holding me. 1327 01:09:32,166 --> 01:09:38,367 I have this vision and these little flashes of her face. 1328 01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,367 There was obviously some negligence, 1329 01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,166 there was intervention by the State of Oklahoma 1330 01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,367 at some point. 1331 01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:50,567 And we were taken and placed in foster care. 1332 01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,500 And I remember crying. 1333 01:09:53,533 --> 01:09:56,500 I was just holding this little bag and I was, 1334 01:09:56,533 --> 01:09:59,600 "I want to go with you, Mommy. I want to go!" 1335 01:10:01,633 --> 01:10:03,100 - You see, these-- 1336 01:10:03,133 --> 01:10:06,567 this was the first time I've ever seen her. 1337 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,200 When I saw these pictures, it was the first time 1338 01:10:09,233 --> 01:10:13,166 I've ever had a visual of her. 1339 01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:14,600 You know, I didn't even know 1340 01:10:14,633 --> 01:10:16,600 what to picture for her to look like. 1341 01:10:16,633 --> 01:10:20,367 I had no image to go by or anything like that. 1342 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,467 I just knew that I wanted to find her. 1343 01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:27,200 - It breaks my heart because part of me is angry 1344 01:10:27,233 --> 01:10:29,500 and part of me is heartbroken 1345 01:10:29,533 --> 01:10:33,100 because of the circumstances and how she died. 1346 01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,367 She was alone. 1347 01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,100 - And she suffered. 1348 01:10:39,133 --> 01:10:42,166 - And she obviously suffered quite a bit. 1349 01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:45,367 She is at peace. 1350 01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,400 Maybe this is her reaching back out and helping us 1351 01:10:49,433 --> 01:10:52,633 get to some kind of closure. - Mm-hmm. 1352 01:10:54,734 --> 01:10:57,200 [dramatic music] 1353 01:10:57,233 --> 01:11:00,734 [engine rumbles] 1354 01:11:00,767 --> 01:11:03,633 - Now that we identified Kathy and found her children, 1355 01:11:03,667 --> 01:11:07,233 this was not the end for me or Detective Williams. 1356 01:11:07,266 --> 01:11:10,200 ♪ ♪ 1357 01:11:10,233 --> 01:11:13,133 It looks like the same year that Tina, Candice, 1358 01:11:13,166 --> 01:11:17,633 and James Jr. were adopted, Kathy had moved to Portland. 1359 01:11:17,667 --> 01:11:19,633 Perhaps she was trying to start over 1360 01:11:19,667 --> 01:11:23,467 after two bad relationships and sad memories. 1361 01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:27,100 Here, people wouldn't know her past. 1362 01:11:27,133 --> 01:11:30,100 So then what happens? 1363 01:11:30,133 --> 01:11:34,567 - So we do know that in 1984 she meets another guy. 1364 01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,667 His name is Brian Clifton, 1365 01:11:36,700 --> 01:11:39,000 and he's from the Portland area. 1366 01:11:39,033 --> 01:11:42,133 He's got parents, a brother, maybe a sister. 1367 01:11:42,166 --> 01:11:44,166 And they actually get married in Portland. 1368 01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,433 - Ooh. Okay. 1369 01:11:47,467 --> 01:11:50,233 - Apparently Kathy didn't like to stay in one place, 1370 01:11:50,266 --> 01:11:52,233 and after she married Brian, 1371 01:11:52,266 --> 01:11:54,533 they moved from Portland to the Salem area, 1372 01:11:54,567 --> 01:11:56,100 about 50 miles away. 1373 01:11:56,133 --> 01:11:58,233 Did we ever find anything that they had any children? 1374 01:11:58,266 --> 01:12:00,200 - I don't believe they had children. 1375 01:12:00,233 --> 01:12:02,633 - Okay, so Brian and Kathy though, 1376 01:12:02,667 --> 01:12:04,633 were actually married for quite some time, right? 1377 01:12:04,667 --> 01:12:09,166 - They were, from '84 to at least '96. 1378 01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,467 - Now the question is, 1379 01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:14,166 were Kathy and Brian still legally married 1380 01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:18,500 when Kathy was found murdered on September 1, 1996? 1381 01:12:20,233 --> 01:12:24,533 There's also no divorce, which is kind of odd. 1382 01:12:24,567 --> 01:12:26,567 - It is, because we found her divorces 1383 01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,166 from the first marriages. 1384 01:12:29,667 --> 01:12:32,700 They were pretty easy to find, and why can't we find that one? 1385 01:12:32,734 --> 01:12:34,600 - I guess the one thing that just really, 1386 01:12:34,633 --> 01:12:37,633 really just keeps getting to me is, 1387 01:12:37,667 --> 01:12:39,700 you never see your wife again, 1388 01:12:39,734 --> 01:12:42,166 but you don't report her missing either. 1389 01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:43,600 - How does someone go missing 1390 01:12:43,633 --> 01:12:45,200 and no one reports them missing? 1391 01:12:45,233 --> 01:12:46,600 - Yeah. 1392 01:12:46,633 --> 01:12:49,166 - So we've got a lot of questions. 1393 01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,066 [tense music] 1394 01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:54,033 - Do we know anything else about Brian? 1395 01:12:54,066 --> 01:12:57,133 - Well, he does have kind of a past. 1396 01:12:57,166 --> 01:13:00,600 In 1973, 1397 01:13:00,633 --> 01:13:03,667 he was convicted of murder. 1398 01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:05,200 Sentenced to life in prison. 1399 01:13:05,233 --> 01:13:09,633 - Convicted of murder? - Convicted of murder. 1400 01:13:09,667 --> 01:13:12,567 23 years before Kathy was murdered, 1401 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,567 Brian was convicted of a different murder. 1402 01:13:18,533 --> 01:13:22,667 For strangulating a female motel clerk... 1403 01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:25,333 ♪ ♪ 1404 01:13:25,367 --> 01:13:29,667 ...with a vacuum cleaner electrical cord, 1405 01:13:29,700 --> 01:13:33,734 over what he stated was a robbery of, like, $65. 1406 01:13:33,767 --> 01:13:36,633 ♪ ♪ 1407 01:13:36,667 --> 01:13:40,100 He actually gets sentenced to life in prison 1408 01:13:40,133 --> 01:13:42,133 in 1974, 1409 01:13:42,166 --> 01:13:43,533 and he actually gets out of prison. 1410 01:13:43,567 --> 01:13:46,633 - And gets paroled when? - 1981. 1411 01:13:52,533 --> 01:13:56,133 Up where Kathy was murdered, 24 years ago, 1412 01:13:56,166 --> 01:13:57,767 there's ropes everywhere. 1413 01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,166 There's ropes binding the tarps, 1414 01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,533 possibly could have been a strangulation of her as well. 1415 01:14:03,567 --> 01:14:06,200 And from our research, we also found there are 1416 01:14:06,233 --> 01:14:09,266 some interesting things about the physical aspects 1417 01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:12,533 of Brian that match things at the scene. 1418 01:14:12,567 --> 01:14:16,300 Brian's information shows he's 6-foot, 150 pounds. 1419 01:14:16,333 --> 01:14:20,066 The pants found at the scene are size 34/34. 1420 01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:22,233 That's consistent. 1421 01:14:22,266 --> 01:14:24,667 The shirt from the bag 1422 01:14:24,700 --> 01:14:28,133 and the one he's wearing appear to be identical. 1423 01:14:28,166 --> 01:14:30,066 He's got brown hair. 1424 01:14:30,100 --> 01:14:34,567 - Same color of hair that was found near Kathy's body, 1425 01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,567 believed to belong to the killer. 1426 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:43,200 But it's what Brian doesn't do that sparks our curiosity. 1427 01:14:43,233 --> 01:14:45,567 - No one reports her missing. 1428 01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,367 They don't appear to have gotten divorced. 1429 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,133 She was never declared deceased by anyone. 1430 01:14:52,166 --> 01:14:55,367 To me, all of those line up with someone 1431 01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,767 who doesn't want anyone looking into Kathy's background. 1432 01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,000 That's huge red flags. 1433 01:15:01,033 --> 01:15:03,400 - So obviously, Brian's a person of interest. 1434 01:15:03,433 --> 01:15:06,200 Do you know where he's at? 1435 01:15:06,667 --> 01:15:10,033 After Brian left Salem area, moved to Portland... 1436 01:15:10,066 --> 01:15:12,166 And it kind of looks like he bought a piece of property 1437 01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:13,600 from his parents. 1438 01:15:13,633 --> 01:15:19,000 I found a deed that shows he purchased a house in 2008 1439 01:15:19,734 --> 01:15:24,667 But there was a woman on the deed with him named Tina. 1440 01:15:24,700 --> 01:15:28,367 Not Kathy's eldest daughter, but the same name. 1441 01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,233 And the deed listed them as husband and wife. 1442 01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:35,600 - How do you get married 1443 01:15:35,633 --> 01:15:38,767 when you maybe aren't even divorced yet? 1444 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,133 What do we know about Brian today? 1445 01:15:41,166 --> 01:15:45,100 - In 2010, Brian and Tina moved to New Hampshire together. 1446 01:15:47,033 --> 01:15:50,100 and then he appears to move, of all places, to Oklahoma. 1447 01:15:50,133 --> 01:15:53,100 Through a criminal records search, 1448 01:15:53,133 --> 01:15:56,033 I was able to find that booking photo 1449 01:15:56,066 --> 01:15:58,000 from Oklahoma in 2016. 1450 01:16:01,100 --> 01:16:04,400 For a driving infraction. 1451 01:16:04,433 --> 01:16:07,333 - Okay, so traffic infraction, violation. 1452 01:16:07,367 --> 01:16:10,166 - But at this point, I'm not exactly sure where he's living. 1453 01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,066 We're trying to find that. 1454 01:16:14,433 --> 01:16:17,367 Kathy was murdered 24 years ago. 1455 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:21,000 Right now, our primary focus is on the last person 1456 01:16:21,033 --> 01:16:23,667 Kathy was married to, Brian Clifton. 1457 01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:26,667 [suspenseful music] 1458 01:16:26,700 --> 01:16:33,667 ♪ ♪ 1459 01:16:35,433 --> 01:16:38,500 24 years after we found his wife Kathy dead 1460 01:16:38,533 --> 01:16:42,266 on a hill in Oregon. 1461 01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:44,166 My team wants to approach him, 1462 01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,200 but we also don't want to blow our one shot 1463 01:16:46,233 --> 01:16:48,333 and risk having him flee 1464 01:16:48,367 --> 01:16:51,233 before we have confirmed evidence. 1465 01:16:51,266 --> 01:16:53,133 What we need now is Brian's DNA 1466 01:16:53,166 --> 01:16:55,367 and see if it matches any of the DNA from the scene. 1467 01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,400 We've got the semen stain, we've got hair. 1468 01:16:57,433 --> 01:17:00,133 If his DNA matches what's at the scene, 1469 01:17:00,166 --> 01:17:02,266 he automatically becomes our prime suspect. 1470 01:17:02,300 --> 01:17:07,166 ♪ ♪ 1471 01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,200 [light dramatic music] 1472 01:17:19,233 --> 01:17:21,100 ♪ ♪ 1473 01:17:24,433 --> 01:17:26,767 [light dramatic music] 1474 01:17:27,333 --> 01:17:27,734 ♪ ♪ 1475 01:17:28,333 --> 01:17:30,567 [tense music] 1476 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,233 ♪ ♪ 1477 01:17:32,266 --> 01:17:34,333 - Kathy had a hard life. 1478 01:17:34,367 --> 01:17:37,433 Looking for love, Kathy went through a series of men 1479 01:17:37,467 --> 01:17:40,200 that didn't care about her. 1480 01:17:40,233 --> 01:17:42,433 Her last husband didn't even bother to report her missing 1481 01:17:42,467 --> 01:17:45,166 when she disappeared. 1482 01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,500 And just a few months later, her remains were found. 1483 01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,266 - While searching for Brian, 1484 01:17:53,300 --> 01:17:55,333 I found his sister Brenda in Wisconsin, 1485 01:17:55,367 --> 01:17:57,300 and I reached out to her 1486 01:17:57,333 --> 01:17:58,400 to see if she'd be willing to help. 1487 01:17:58,433 --> 01:18:04,033 [line ringing] 1488 01:18:04,066 --> 01:18:06,333 - Hi, is this Brenda? 1489 01:18:06,367 --> 01:18:08,767 - Hi, Brenda, this is Detective John Williams. 1490 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,266 I'm calling from the Polk County Sheriff's Office 1491 01:18:11,300 --> 01:18:12,300 in Oregon. 1492 01:18:12,333 --> 01:18:14,367 Is a good time for you? 1493 01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,266 - Okay, so I have a case where I have 1494 01:18:17,300 --> 01:18:19,500 a missing person, who's Kathy, 1495 01:18:19,533 --> 01:18:22,200 was married to Brian at one point. 1496 01:18:24,467 --> 01:18:27,300 - Do you recall whatever happened 1497 01:18:27,333 --> 01:18:30,533 to Brian and Kathy's marriage, how it ended or any of that? 1498 01:18:37,333 --> 01:18:39,600 - Why do you doubt that they got divorced? 1499 01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:45,000 - So he would've illegally married another woman? 1500 01:18:46,633 --> 01:18:48,200 - Okay. 1501 01:18:49,367 --> 01:18:50,600 So you don't talk to Brian. You don't know where he's at? 1502 01:18:57,033 --> 01:18:59,033 - Yeah. 1503 01:18:59,066 --> 01:19:00,200 - I got you. 1504 01:19:00,233 --> 01:19:02,500 Well, and that's what I'm showing too. 1505 01:19:05,467 --> 01:19:08,066 - Let me give you some details. 1506 01:19:08,100 --> 01:19:10,533 So in 1996, 1507 01:19:10,567 --> 01:19:14,567 hunters found skeletonized remains of a female. 1508 01:19:23,266 --> 01:19:26,600 - We do have the DNA found at the scene 1509 01:19:26,633 --> 01:19:29,133 on some men's clothing that was left behind. 1510 01:19:29,166 --> 01:19:31,300 I would think has to be related 1511 01:19:31,333 --> 01:19:34,500 to whoever put the body there. 1512 01:19:34,533 --> 01:19:38,200 - So we have a couple of things we might try, 1513 01:19:38,233 --> 01:19:43,667 and one is if we can get DNA from a relative 1514 01:19:43,700 --> 01:19:47,433 to get the best, you know, say, oh, yeah, that's a sister-- 1515 01:19:49,367 --> 01:19:51,533 - Would you be willing if we sent you a DNA kit 1516 01:19:51,567 --> 01:19:55,300 to just swab your cheek and mail it back? 1517 01:19:55,333 --> 01:19:57,600 - Oh, that's awesome. 1518 01:19:57,633 --> 01:20:00,533 - Okay. 1519 01:20:00,567 --> 01:20:02,567 To see what it matches at the scene, 1520 01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,567 that's gonna be super critical. 1521 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,333 This would be an amazing boost to this case. 1522 01:20:07,367 --> 01:20:10,333 [tense music] 1523 01:20:10,367 --> 01:20:17,200 ♪ ♪ 1524 01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:31,133 - Now that we know Brian's sister is a sibling match 1525 01:20:31,166 --> 01:20:33,333 to the DNA found at the crime scene, 1526 01:20:33,367 --> 01:20:35,333 I could finally tell her family 1527 01:20:35,367 --> 01:20:38,367 and give them some closure. 1528 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:43,600 I'm going to see Kathy's daughters, Tina and Candice, 1529 01:20:43,633 --> 01:20:45,600 and Kathy's sister, Linda. 1530 01:20:45,633 --> 01:20:48,166 Never met each other before all of this, 1531 01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,600 so I think it's great that they all get to know each other, 1532 01:20:51,633 --> 01:20:54,333 and that they do have family left. 1533 01:20:54,367 --> 01:20:56,633 Something they've always wanted, and they have it. 1534 01:21:09,533 --> 01:21:12,600 Well, how are my most three favorite women doing? 1535 01:21:12,633 --> 01:21:14,166 - Hello! - Hello! 1536 01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,633 - Look at you, pretty woman. 1537 01:21:16,667 --> 01:21:18,767 - How are things going getting to know each other? 1538 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,500 - With us, it's good. - Oh, it's just-- 1539 01:21:20,533 --> 01:21:23,333 - Is there something that's not? 1540 01:21:23,367 --> 01:21:24,633 - It is what it's supposed to be. 1541 01:21:24,667 --> 01:21:26,166 - I know. 1542 01:21:27,166 --> 01:21:28,266 - Well, I just wanted you to know there were three 1543 01:21:29,734 --> 01:21:32,500 really important things for me to do in this case if I could. 1544 01:21:32,533 --> 01:21:35,333 One of them was to identify her. 1545 01:21:35,367 --> 01:21:36,467 Give her her name back. 1546 01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:40,367 Which would then open up roads, second, 1547 01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,300 to hopefully help the investigation. 1548 01:21:43,333 --> 01:21:45,433 You know, once you know about her life, 1549 01:21:45,467 --> 01:21:47,300 once we found out about all of you guys, 1550 01:21:47,333 --> 01:21:50,233 I mean, that all came about because of her identity. 1551 01:21:50,266 --> 01:21:54,500 So many roads have been open, learned a lot. 1552 01:21:54,533 --> 01:21:57,367 And then the third most important thing to me, 1553 01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,467 so hold on one second. 1554 01:21:59,500 --> 01:22:00,667 - Is she going to do something sneaky? 1555 01:22:00,700 --> 01:22:01,667 - I don't know. 1556 01:22:01,700 --> 01:22:05,166 [gentle music] 1557 01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,533 ♪ ♪ 1558 01:22:07,567 --> 01:22:09,633 - Oh, my--oh! 1559 01:22:09,667 --> 01:22:11,533 - Third most important thing. 1560 01:22:11,567 --> 01:22:13,400 - Oh, my god! 1561 01:22:13,433 --> 01:22:16,533 - Is to bring her home, where she belongs. 1562 01:22:16,567 --> 01:22:19,266 ♪ ♪ 1563 01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:22,300 From the bottom of all of our hearts. 1564 01:22:24,233 --> 01:22:26,266 - It's okay, baby girl. 1565 01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:32,166 ♪ ♪ 1566 01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,166 - [sobbing] 1567 01:22:37,433 --> 01:22:41,467 - We really got close. These are my girls. 1568 01:22:41,500 --> 01:22:44,300 - You're family. - That's so beautiful. 1569 01:22:44,333 --> 01:22:46,233 - It is. - Thank you. 1570 01:22:46,266 --> 01:22:47,667 - I love it. 1571 01:22:47,700 --> 01:22:50,734 It was right then that my heart went up in my throat, 1572 01:22:50,767 --> 01:22:55,533 and it was like I couldn't say nothing. 1573 01:22:55,567 --> 01:22:58,567 Because I knew what it was. 1574 01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,567 Knowing that she is home, where she belongs, 1575 01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,433 it was beautiful. 1576 01:23:05,667 --> 01:23:08,400 This is your mama. 1577 01:23:08,433 --> 01:23:12,300 It is so beautiful. I mean, look at that. 1578 01:23:12,333 --> 01:23:16,567 - I think everything just really hit home even harder. 1579 01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:17,767 The fact that I, you know, 1580 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,667 knowing for 23 years 1581 01:23:21,700 --> 01:23:24,400 that she couldn't-- she couldn't reach out, 1582 01:23:24,433 --> 01:23:25,734 she couldn't check on us, 1583 01:23:25,767 --> 01:23:28,033 you know, that something had happened... 1584 01:23:32,734 --> 01:23:36,266 it actually made me start to heal a little bit. 1585 01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:38,734 - She needs to come home, okay? - Yeah, yeah. 1586 01:23:38,767 --> 01:23:42,433 - To be able to actually put her fully at rest, 1587 01:23:42,467 --> 01:23:44,633 we've talked about that so much. 1588 01:23:44,667 --> 01:23:50,433 And what Yolanda has done is so heartfelt that we can-- 1589 01:23:50,467 --> 01:23:51,734 I don't know that we'll ever be able 1590 01:23:51,767 --> 01:23:53,700 to really thank her enough. 1591 01:23:53,734 --> 01:23:54,767 - There's a lot of great, 1592 01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,667 great things that came out of this. 1593 01:23:56,700 --> 01:23:58,567 - We're thankful for that, and what you've done, 1594 01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,734 'cause you brought this wonderful woman into our life. 1595 01:24:01,767 --> 01:24:03,600 Thank you, Yolanda. Thank you so much. 1596 01:24:03,633 --> 01:24:06,333 - Wasn't for you guys, I wouldn't have my baby girls. 1597 01:24:06,367 --> 01:24:08,500 - Well, you're family. 1598 01:24:08,533 --> 01:24:13,467 - I'm just grateful to Detective Williams, Yolanda, 1599 01:24:13,500 --> 01:24:17,000 'cause I know my two nieces in my life right now. 1600 01:24:17,033 --> 01:24:19,333 And we talk every day. 1601 01:24:19,367 --> 01:24:21,633 We have got so close, 1602 01:24:21,667 --> 01:24:26,000 and I'll give them the love that they need from my sister. 1603 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,734 Think her girls are my girls now. 1604 01:24:30,767 --> 01:24:32,367 They're still her babies, 1605 01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:37,266 but I'm giving them and they're giving me back. 1606 01:24:40,367 --> 01:24:43,533 - My mother's case, it's not just another Jane Doe. 1607 01:24:43,567 --> 01:24:46,600 She's a person with a story. 1608 01:24:46,633 --> 01:24:50,033 She had family that cared about her. 1609 01:24:50,066 --> 01:24:53,500 I would have liked for her to have--see me now. 1610 01:24:58,467 --> 01:25:01,000 I think she would've been proud. 1611 01:25:06,467 --> 01:25:09,533 [gentle music] 1612 01:25:09,567 --> 01:25:14,500 ♪ ♪ 1613 01:25:14,533 --> 01:25:18,000 - A year has passed since I started this investigation. 1614 01:25:18,033 --> 01:25:22,533 My mission was always to identify our Jane Doe, 1615 01:25:22,567 --> 01:25:25,734 to give her back to her family, and give her back her name. 1616 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,700 And I've done that with Kathy's case. 1617 01:25:28,734 --> 01:25:31,033 - It's been a lot of hard work. - Yeah. 1618 01:25:31,066 --> 01:25:34,700 - A lot of phone calls, a lot of going down dead ends. 1619 01:25:34,734 --> 01:25:36,667 The adoptions threw us for a loop-- 1620 01:25:36,700 --> 01:25:38,033 - Yes. 1621 01:25:38,066 --> 01:25:40,100 - But we persevered, we kept going. 1622 01:25:40,133 --> 01:25:44,033 I was totally clueless to how, you know, 1623 01:25:44,066 --> 01:25:46,100 third cousins and genealogy and all that work, 1624 01:25:46,133 --> 01:25:49,633 but I knew we had Yolanda's team behind us. 1625 01:25:49,667 --> 01:25:51,600 It was a slow process for a while 1626 01:25:51,633 --> 01:25:53,367 and then it started building steam 1627 01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:55,433 until kind of everything came together 1628 01:25:55,467 --> 01:25:58,734 and we finally identified Kathy. 1629 01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,400 - Kathy got her name back. 1630 01:26:04,433 --> 01:26:06,433 Her identity back. 1631 01:26:06,467 --> 01:26:08,200 Nobody should die without it. 1632 01:26:08,233 --> 01:26:10,633 Her family thought she walked away, 1633 01:26:10,667 --> 01:26:12,133 maybe didn't want anything to do with them, 1634 01:26:12,166 --> 01:26:14,033 I don't believe that. 1635 01:26:14,066 --> 01:26:17,133 But unfortunately, she didn't have any more choices 1636 01:26:17,166 --> 01:26:19,667 after that of what she would've wanted to do with her life. 1637 01:26:19,700 --> 01:26:24,166 She's been so wronged in so many ways. 1638 01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:28,033 I just hope now that her family can start to heal. 1639 01:26:29,567 --> 01:26:32,166 You and I said we would figure it out. 1640 01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:34,133 We said we'd take her home. 1641 01:26:34,166 --> 01:26:36,166 And that we would pursue any roads 1642 01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,734 that opened up to find out who killed her. 1643 01:26:38,767 --> 01:26:40,567 - And that continues. 1644 01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,066 - Obviously the truth is ultimately what we're after. 1645 01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:45,500 - Right. 1646 01:26:48,166 --> 01:26:52,100 - The case is now in the investigators' hands. 119095

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