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- They are known
as Jane and John Does.
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40,000 murder victims
are still unidentified.
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[gentle music]
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Thousands of suspects
are still at large.
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I'm on a mission
to change all of that,
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one case at a time.
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Who is she?
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- Hunters discovered
the mystery woman's remains
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back in 1996.
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- Investigators want to get
this woman back to her family.
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- For 23 years, Polk County's
Jane Doe has remained unknown.
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Her family left wondering,
what happened?
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Until now.
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For nearly three decades,
I worked as a CSI,
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specializing
in the recovery of DNA.
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I'm hoping with the advances
in DNA testing,
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we can get closer to
tracking down her family
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and her identity.
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- In the underwear,
there was a semen stain.
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- She's not just
another Jane Doe.
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She's a person with a story.
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- My focus has always
been the victims
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and the victim's family.
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She deserves
her identity back,
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and I'm gonna work for that.
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[dramatic music]
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[indistinct chatter]
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[light dramatic music]
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[tense music]
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- I'm Yolanda McClary,
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a retired crime scene
investigator
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from the Las Vegas
Metropolitan Police Department.
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I've helped to reopen and solve
some of the most complex
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and mysterious cold cases
in America.
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Polk County's
Jane Doe cold case
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has been haunting
the local sheriff's department
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for nearly 25 years.
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I can only imagine how
Jane Doe's family must feel.
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They still have no idea
what happened to their mother,
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wife, or sister.
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Thinking of my own family,
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not knowing would
be so painful.
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Murdered, discarded
in a wooded area.
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Jane Doe has been at
the Oregon State Forensic Lab
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for over two decades.
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I want to give her
her name back.
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Using genealogy to help
identify unidentified persons
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has been a huge breakthrough.
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My hope is that it will
lead us down the right path
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for her identification.
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- In September of 1996,
a father and son hunting party
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stumbled upon
a skeletonized body
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wrapped in a blue tarp,
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up with ropes,
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and called
the Sheriff's office.
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Based on the wide pelvis,
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the medical examiner
determined the body was female.
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But DNA technology
in 1996 prevented us
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from identifying her
any more specifically.
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This is Burney Krauger.
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He's a retired detective,
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and this case was his
initially in '96.
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- Hi Burney, nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
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- Obviously, trying
to find her identity
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is gonna be the huge thing
to open up roads
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on maybe a different
kind of investigation.
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- Burney Krauger,
he kept the case
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until he retired
in December 2013,
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and I took over the case
at that point.
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- So on September 1, 1996,
you're on patrol?
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- Correct.
- Tell me about that.
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- Well, I made contact
with the father and the son,
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and they told me
they were grouse hunting
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and the dad said
he came into a clearing,
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and there appeared
to be a human skull
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sitting in this clearing.
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From that point on then,
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we started the investigation
of the dead body.
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The body was dumped
and was wrapped in blue tarp.
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It had been there long enough
that the coyotes or varmints
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pulled the body
out of the tarp.
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- Okay, well,
that makes sense.
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Got a lot of animals out
and they're all feeding.
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- Right.
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- I chose this case
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because this victim
was discarded like trash,
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for animals to eat
her remains.
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No one, no one deserves
to die that way.
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- The Oregon Medical
Examiner's Office
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did an autopsy on the bones,
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and they were unable to
determine the cause of death
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because they didn't find
any knife wounds in the ribs,
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they didn't find any
bullet holes, et cetera, so...
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- Okay.
If you don't mind,
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I would love to get a feel
for where this was,
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you know,
at least an approximate area.
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So it would be okay
if we go out there?
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- Yeah, we can do that.
All right.
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- In order for me
to better understand
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what happened to her,
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I need to visit the place
where she was found.
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Retracing the actual steps
of the killer
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can reveal insights
into the crime
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that a report
just can't provide.
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[suspenseful music]
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- At the time in 1996,
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the location was a recently
cleared logging area.
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- I don't know,
if I was just some person
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that was finding a place
to dump a body,
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I don't know that
I could find this.
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- Well, in my opinion, I think
it would be kind of difficult.
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They would have to be somewhat
familiar with the area.
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- There are hundreds of
logging roads in this county.
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You can get lost
pretty easily up there.
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- Now this is the end
of the log landing.
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I didn't realize
it'd be grown up this much.
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- Yeah, it's--
- It's grown up a lot.
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- I think we went over
someplace in that area
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'cause I can remember
that one stump being here.
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- That's probably where
we need to go down.
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- Pretty close.
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- What kind of person
would come all the way up here
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to dump a body?
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I got to tell you,
dragging a body down here--
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it's steep, so I'm gonna
say, whoever this is, is--
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I'm not saying you
have to be an athlete,
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but you have to be at least--
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- Kind of good shape.
- Yeah.
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- There's some fallen logs.
Let's take a look at that.
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Looking at the photos,
this is where the body was.
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- We're lucky
she was ever found.
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I mean, I don't know why,
but I'm just feeling that.
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- I am too.
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They actually found the skull
a couple hundred feet that way.
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- Eventually a tarp
would have been found,
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and that would have been it.
- Yeah.
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- I don't think there would've
been anything else left.
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I don't think they would've
found any of those bones.
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That would've just been gone.
- Yeah.
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From the landing to where
the body was, partway down,
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hidden under a small tree,
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was this bag of clothing.
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Well, that clothing
that was found
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was actually just up the hill,
right up in there.
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It was a pair of pants,
pair of underwear,
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shirt, socks, shoes.
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34/34 pants, so it's belonged
to a tall person.
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- Is it possible
the killer changed,
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then discarded his clothes
after he dumped the body,
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believing they would
never be found?
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- That was significant.
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It was likely a male,
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tied to the person
who put the body there.
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Size 34/34 pants, it's likely
someone over 6-foot tall.
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- Did you guys ever have
any clothing
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or the evidence tested?
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- Yeah, actually
in the underwear
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that was in the bag,
there was a semen stain.
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They tried to develop
the DNA from that stain,
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and they had no luck in '96.
- Okay.
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- They stored the sample
that they created.
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- I'm super impressed
and happy
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that we had a possible
perp DNA profile.
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- Finally in 2014, I said,
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"Let's take
another crack at it."
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At that point they were
actually able to get
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a partial DNA
from one of the samples,
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and it was good enough
to go into CODIS.
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- That's a really good sample
if it was good enough
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to go into CODIS.
- Yeah, so.
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But unfortunately, we've not
had any hits from that.
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- Still nothing.
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- On one of the trees,
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there was a clump
of brownish colored hair.
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Like, you whack your head
on a tree
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and it takes part
of your skin off.
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- Brown hair?
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It was caught
in a broken branch
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above where the body was.
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We think whoever,
disposing of the body
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and then they raised up,
that they caught that--
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- That branch.
- Chunk.
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Whoever did it
must have felt it.
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- Well, that was significant
'cause it didn't match her hair
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and it points to the person
who drug her down there.
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Now we're having it
looked at again.
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- If we can get
a usable DNA profile,
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it could possibly open up roads
we would never have before.
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It's such a huge deal because
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I want to give her
her name back.
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I want to target her killer.
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That could be a game changer.
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- Her dad was a loser.
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- He was playing chicken
on the railroad track.
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- I tried to talk her
out of it.
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- It's very shocking.
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Almost like
an out-of-body experience.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[light dramatic music]
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[birds cawing]
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- The discarded remains
of a woman
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we call Jane Doe
are found by hunters
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nearly 25 years ago
in Polk County, Oregon.
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I'm headed to
the Oregon State Forensic Lab
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to meet with Nici Vance,
their state anthropologist.
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It's amazing how much
information bones can tell us.
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How old our victim is,
if they ever had a child,
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how tall they were possibly.
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- We've tried so many things
on this particular Jane Doe.
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So she's right here.
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- So you said you have
the majority of her?
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- I do.
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But we just can't seem
to identify her.
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I'm gonna lay her out
in anatomical position.
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- Yeah, absolutely.
Yes.
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- So you can see
exactly what we have.
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- Oh, my goodness.
- Isn't that amazing?
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- Now that is really
a weird scar.
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- Yeah, so this is definitely
a craniotomy scar, so--
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- Surgery.
- Surgery, yes.
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This is not an injury.
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There's part
of her spinal column.
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- Uh-huh.
- That would indicate
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that she hadn't necessarily
been out there all that long.
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- Uh huh.
She seems small.
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- I don't think
she's over 5'3", 5'4".
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We know she's female
based on characteristics
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in her skeletal system.
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We see a very,
very wide pelvis.
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- Can you tell if somebody's
had children, given childbirth?
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- Yeah, there's a little
divot right there,
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a little depression
that is created
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when a very large ligament
detaches during childbirth.
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We see indication
that she very well
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could have been a mother.
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- As a mother,
this kind of hits home.
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When I found out that Jane Doe
had at least one child,
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I'm wondering if that child
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has been looking for her
all these years.
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- We know that
she's past her 30s.
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We're now moving into probably
the fourth decade of life.
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- Into her 40s.
- Mm-hmm.
253
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- Got it.
- Exactly.
254
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- Did you find any kind of
cause of death?
255
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- We don't have soft tissue,
so we don't see a bullet wound.
256
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We've looked, there
there's no knife defects.
257
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So everything--
258
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- No blunt force trauma there.
- Exactly right.
259
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So we would see that
depression in the bone.
260
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Don't see it here,
261
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so we have virtually
no indication
262
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regarding how she
came to die, yeah.
263
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- How she died, okay.
264
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- The cause of death based
on the bones is not clear,
265
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but unfortunately
the manner of death
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or why she died
is still homicide
267
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since she clearly
didn't wrap herself up
268
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in a tarp on that hill.
269
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So we're down to DNA.
270
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Other than that,
there's just not a lot.
271
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- I lose sleep over this case
because she's so identifiable.
272
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I want to believe that
someone's looking for her.
273
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Let's give her back
to her family.
274
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So if there's some sort
of new technology
275
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that you can help us with,
let's see what we can find out.
276
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- I'm hoping with the advances
in DNA testing,
277
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we can now collect her DNA
from just her bones.
278
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We don't know
the cause of death.
279
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But what I do know
280
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is that Jane Doe
has at least one child
281
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who may still be alive.
282
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So there must be family
out there looking for her.
283
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Imagine all these years
looking for someone you loved.
284
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It's heartbreaking.
285
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Now I need to speak
with the detectives.
286
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If detectives can determine
287
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when Jane Doe's remains
were dumped,
288
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it could help us find out
who she might be.
289
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[tense music]
290
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♪ ♪
291
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All right, let's talk
about evidence a little bit.
292
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And the time frame,
the time of year.
293
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- We put a time period in there
of late June to the middle,
294
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maybe even two-thirds July
295
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because of what
the vegetation shows you.
296
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Grass played
an important part
297
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in determining
approximate time
298
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of the body
being deposited there.
299
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- Burney collected grass
300
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from next to where
the body was,
301
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and grass from under
where the body was.
302
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The difference in height
between these two grasses
303
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indicates that she was there
two to three months.
304
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- And then we also found
a receipt
305
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and some clothes
that were up there.
306
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- In the shirt pocket
of one of the shirts
307
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that was in this bag
was a restaurant receipt.
308
00:14:53,367 --> 00:14:58,433
It was for around $5 worth
of food for one person.
309
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This fast food receipt
was dated June 26th.
310
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- Okay, that's
very interesting.
311
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So you have two things now
saying probably late June.
312
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- Yeah.
- I think your timeline's good.
313
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I think your timelines
probably right on.
314
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- So we know when
the killer likely dumped
315
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his clothes and the body,
316
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but we still need
to identify our victim.
317
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Dr. Vance has been very helpful
so I was picking her brain,
318
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I'm like,
"What else can we do?"
319
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She's like, "I got somebody
that can do you a sketch."
320
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So in 2014,
Dr. Vance provided the skull
321
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to a forensic artist,
322
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and it was remarkable
what came back.
323
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A forensic artist can
approximate a person's face
324
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based only on
the contours of the skull.
325
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For the first time,
326
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I was looking into
the face of Jane Doe.
327
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We got those
beautiful sketches,
328
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and they experimented
329
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with different hairstyles,
hair colors
330
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to give us a range of what
our Doe would have looked like.
331
00:16:01,667 --> 00:16:05,033
- Once detectives had
three potential sketches
332
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of their victim,
333
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they turned to the media
to generate leads.
334
00:16:10,033 --> 00:16:12,200
- Investigators want to get
this woman back to her family,
335
00:16:12,233 --> 00:16:16,367
but they have no idea
who she is or where she's from.
336
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If you think you might know
who this mystery woman is,
337
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you're asked to contact the
Polk County Sheriff's Office.
338
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- We were able to get
a variety of sketches
339
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based on the skull of what our
victim might have looked like.
340
00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:33,533
- Yeah.
341
00:16:34,533 --> 00:16:36,433
- And I did get a call
from Canada.
342
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They had a missing person
up there.
343
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Turned out it wasn't--
wasn't ours.
344
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That's the only serious tip
that has come in.
345
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Kind of been disappointing.
346
00:16:49,467 --> 00:16:51,300
- Well, and after 23 years
347
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if you haven't even found
any good leads,
348
00:16:53,233 --> 00:16:55,133
they're just probably
not there anymore.
349
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Times have changed, you know,
in how we can do things now.
350
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This is a great case
to try just genealogy.
351
00:17:09,333 --> 00:17:11,433
It's not like anything else
352
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that DNA
has ever been used for.
353
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It's new to me, too.
354
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DNA Solutions in Oklahoma,
private lab,
355
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they'll try
to extract the DNA.
356
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Doing this whole
different profile
357
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that can be uploaded
into open source databases.
358
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Then, you know,
you start building trees,
359
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and these trees
have to connect,
360
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and they keep connecting
and connecting and connecting
361
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till finally, hopefully,
they all can come together,
362
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and hopefully right down
to your Jane Doe.
363
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I'm determined
to help detectives
364
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identify their Jane Doe.
365
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If my team can extract
a solid sample of DNA
366
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from Jane Doe's bones,
367
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we can then compare it to DNA
in public source databases,
368
00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,433
in the hopes that any of her
relatives' DNA are in there.
369
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It's a lot of work,
but I got a great team.
370
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- We thank you.
371
00:18:01,233 --> 00:18:03,633
We really don't have
anywhere else to go.
372
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It's amazing 'cause
this new technology could be
373
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just what we're looking for
to solve this case.
374
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[tense music]
375
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♪ ♪
376
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[light dramatic music]
377
00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:17,600
♪ ♪
378
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[light dramatic music]
379
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♪ ♪
380
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- With this groundbreaking
forensic technology,
381
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we have a new tool
to help solve cold cases.
382
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Our Jane Doe's bones
are sent to DNA Solutions,
383
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a highly-respected,
private lab in Oklahoma.
384
00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:44,033
- I'm Dr. Anstead.
I'm the lab director.
385
00:18:44,066 --> 00:18:45,633
We're a laboratory
that handles
386
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a number of different kinds
of DNA work.
387
00:18:48,033 --> 00:18:50,166
They've been extracting DNA
from skeletal remains
388
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,233
for quite a few years now,
but what's changed
389
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is the technology
to actually recover that DNA...
390
00:19:21,767 --> 00:19:25,100
[light dramatic music]
391
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- I can't believe after
more than two decades
392
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,767
after our Jane Doe's remains
were found,
393
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,734
we had her DNA profile.
394
00:19:44,767 --> 00:19:47,400
The DNA in this case
was a bit challenging
395
00:19:47,433 --> 00:19:51,467
because there had been some
degration level in the bone
396
00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:54,266
due to the fact that the bone
is 23 years old,
397
00:19:54,300 --> 00:19:56,700
but we're quite pleased
with after two extractions,
398
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we got what we want.
399
00:19:59,667 --> 00:20:02,200
Finally, we are getting closer
to tracking down her family
400
00:20:02,233 --> 00:20:04,166
and her identity.
401
00:20:08,233 --> 00:20:10,467
Now from my hometown
in Las Vegas,
402
00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:14,033
I contacted two of the best
genealogists in the country.
403
00:20:14,066 --> 00:20:16,367
[energetic music]
404
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,200
- My name is Charles McGee.
405
00:20:18,233 --> 00:20:20,700
I do all sorts of different
kinds of genealogical research,
406
00:20:20,734 --> 00:20:25,033
with my main focus
being forensic genealogy.
407
00:20:25,066 --> 00:20:27,767
- This kind of investigative
work is very different
408
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,367
than just genealogy,
409
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,066
because we start
with an unknown.
410
00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:35,133
We have no clue
who this person is.
411
00:20:35,166 --> 00:20:36,734
- I can't thank you guys
enough for coming.
412
00:20:36,767 --> 00:20:39,200
I just got back from Oregon.
413
00:20:39,233 --> 00:20:45,200
They had a body that was found
September 1, 1996.
414
00:20:45,233 --> 00:20:48,000
Our Jane Doe would have been
in her 40s.
415
00:20:48,033 --> 00:20:51,700
- And did she have children?
- She had at least one child,
416
00:20:51,734 --> 00:20:53,100
but possibly more.
417
00:20:54,433 --> 00:20:57,066
- With a viable DNA profile,
we're able to upload that
418
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to a private genetic
DNA database.
419
00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:03,066
Once we're able to show matches
to our Jane Doe,
420
00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:05,533
genetic matches, obviously
we're hoping for a bull's-eye.
421
00:21:05,567 --> 00:21:07,000
- What's a bull's-eye?
422
00:21:08,333 --> 00:21:09,533
- Well, like a parent
relationship would be awesome.
423
00:21:09,567 --> 00:21:11,033
- Okay.
424
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:12,500
- The more DNA that
you share with somebody,
425
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,033
the closer your relationship.
426
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,300
So a paternal line and a
maternal line coming together,
427
00:21:17,333 --> 00:21:19,500
beneath there, somewhere,
is gonna be our Doe, hopefully.
428
00:21:19,533 --> 00:21:21,133
- Gotcha.
429
00:21:21,166 --> 00:21:24,066
- We can't expect
to get a parent
430
00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:26,100
or a sibling bull's-eye
right off the bat.
431
00:21:26,133 --> 00:21:28,066
I mean, we're always hoping
for something like that,
432
00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:29,200
but that's pretty rare.
433
00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:32,033
Then you get down to second,
third, fourth cousins
434
00:21:32,066 --> 00:21:34,300
and removed cousins
and half cousins.
435
00:21:34,333 --> 00:21:35,467
- Lots of headaches.
- We have tools--
436
00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:37,266
we have all sorts of tools
that can help us
437
00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:39,300
try to determine what
those relationships might be.
438
00:21:39,333 --> 00:21:40,433
- Okay.
439
00:21:40,467 --> 00:21:42,166
- So we can kind of
narrow the field.
440
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,300
Once her DNA is uploaded
to this genetic
441
00:21:45,333 --> 00:21:48,033
genealogy research site
we use,
442
00:21:48,066 --> 00:21:51,433
we're able to see
our Jane Doe's top matches,
443
00:21:51,467 --> 00:21:53,567
her closest relatives.
444
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,567
[pensive music]
445
00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:03,734
♪ ♪
446
00:22:05,533 --> 00:22:08,033
- I got the top ten matches
that you sent.
447
00:22:08,066 --> 00:22:10,433
- Yep, the DNA was uploaded
to the database
448
00:22:10,467 --> 00:22:13,333
and matches for our Jane Doe
are listed there.
449
00:22:13,367 --> 00:22:15,467
We were hoping for
something better, obviously.
450
00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:18,400
Our Jane Doe matches
are so distantly related
451
00:22:18,433 --> 00:22:21,333
that she likely never even
knew them during her life.
452
00:22:21,367 --> 00:22:24,200
That makes the research
pretty difficult.
453
00:22:24,233 --> 00:22:28,100
- I liken this process
to working a jigsaw puzzle.
454
00:22:28,133 --> 00:22:29,767
When you get
a list of matches,
455
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,166
some of them are valuable,
some of them are not,
456
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,767
but you don't know
until you get going.
457
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,600
You're just flying blind.
458
00:22:35,633 --> 00:22:37,467
- So we'll start out
with the Anna Adams tree.
459
00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:38,533
- Yes.
460
00:22:39,433 --> 00:22:40,166
- You can begin working
on that, Jean.
461
00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:42,166
I can take
the Sam Smith tree.
462
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,433
And Yolanda,
you can start on DT Jones.
463
00:22:44,467 --> 00:22:46,600
And we can just keep
on progressing from there.
464
00:22:46,633 --> 00:22:48,333
- All right.
465
00:22:49,533 --> 00:22:51,233
So now we have our top
ten matches to our Jane Doe.
466
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,333
That means building out
ten different family trees
467
00:22:54,367 --> 00:22:57,300
that will have thousands
of people in each,
468
00:22:57,333 --> 00:23:00,100
to ultimately find
that marriage
469
00:23:00,133 --> 00:23:03,633
between Jane Doe's mother
and father to lead us to her.
470
00:23:03,667 --> 00:23:06,100
- Somewhere there's
a marriage that occurred
471
00:23:06,133 --> 00:23:10,066
that produced the parent
or grandparent of the Doe.
472
00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:12,066
- We're looking
for the crossover
473
00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:16,133
when one person in this tree
marries somebody in this tree.
474
00:23:16,166 --> 00:23:20,033
- Where they come together
is where our Doe's gonna be.
475
00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:21,433
- All right, everybody
divide and conquer.
476
00:23:21,467 --> 00:23:24,433
[gentle music]
477
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♪ ♪
478
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Based on our
genealogy research,
479
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the two common names
that we have
480
00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:38,467
in our tree
are Thomas and Fuller.
481
00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:41,633
So Chuck, you found some
crossovers, some marriages.
482
00:23:41,667 --> 00:23:45,533
- Yeah, one of our matches
is related to Tennie Fuller,
483
00:23:45,567 --> 00:23:48,133
and the other is related
to Claude Thomas.
484
00:23:48,166 --> 00:23:49,500
And we found a crossover
485
00:23:49,533 --> 00:23:52,133
because Claude and Tennie
married.
486
00:23:52,166 --> 00:23:55,533
- So how does, ultimately,
our Doe fit into this?
487
00:23:55,567 --> 00:23:59,533
- Our Doe could actually be
the child of Tennie and Claude,
488
00:23:59,567 --> 00:24:01,133
or it could be the grandchild.
489
00:24:01,166 --> 00:24:03,633
Claude and Tennie
had seven children,
490
00:24:03,667 --> 00:24:06,500
six boys and one girl.
491
00:24:06,533 --> 00:24:09,333
Morgan and Leo
were the oldest.
492
00:24:09,367 --> 00:24:11,400
Billy and Bettie
were the youngest.
493
00:24:11,433 --> 00:24:16,200
And Bettie Thomas, we believe
that she moved to Oregon.
494
00:24:16,233 --> 00:24:17,300
- Wow.
495
00:24:17,333 --> 00:24:19,433
- So that's a big hit
right there.
496
00:24:19,467 --> 00:24:22,166
Bettie was born in 1934.
497
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,500
- We're looking for somebody
in their late 40s, maybe 50s.
498
00:24:24,533 --> 00:24:26,433
She's a little older
499
00:24:26,467 --> 00:24:29,066
than probably what
we want for our Doe, right?
500
00:24:29,100 --> 00:24:30,233
- Yeah.
501
00:24:31,633 --> 00:24:33,066
- Bettie would've been 62
when Jane Doe was murdered,
502
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:35,333
nearly 20 years her senior.
503
00:24:35,367 --> 00:24:38,100
So she may not be our victim.
504
00:24:38,133 --> 00:24:39,633
We needed
Detective Williams' help.
505
00:24:39,667 --> 00:24:42,533
[energetic music]
506
00:24:42,567 --> 00:24:44,300
- So looking into
Bettie's background,
507
00:24:44,333 --> 00:24:46,200
I found something
that I didn't expect.
508
00:24:46,233 --> 00:24:49,133
She had passed away
in King County, Washington,
509
00:24:49,166 --> 00:24:51,233
in October of '96,
510
00:24:51,266 --> 00:24:54,700
four months after our Doe
was likely killed.
511
00:24:54,734 --> 00:24:57,200
So obviously,
it couldn't be our Doe.
512
00:24:57,233 --> 00:25:00,233
- So Bettie's deceased
and actually had a funeral.
513
00:25:00,266 --> 00:25:01,533
It's not her.
514
00:25:01,567 --> 00:25:04,233
- Bettie's out.
515
00:25:04,266 --> 00:25:05,600
- We know she had
four daughters,
516
00:25:05,633 --> 00:25:07,266
but they're
all accounted for.
517
00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:08,533
- So it has to be the daughter
518
00:25:08,567 --> 00:25:10,600
of one of those
remaining siblings.
519
00:25:10,633 --> 00:25:14,200
- So we have six boys
that we need to figure out
520
00:25:14,233 --> 00:25:16,533
who they're married to
and every one of their kids.
521
00:25:16,567 --> 00:25:19,100
Their kids would be born
in the right time frame
522
00:25:19,133 --> 00:25:20,433
of the 1950s.
523
00:25:20,467 --> 00:25:22,467
I guess everybody,
let's hit our computers,
524
00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:24,467
see what we can find,
find phone numbers,
525
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:25,700
maybe we just need
to start talking
526
00:25:25,734 --> 00:25:27,467
to some of these people too
if they're alive.
527
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:30,233
This is the biggest lead
in over two decades.
528
00:25:33,433 --> 00:25:36,467
[light dramatic music]
529
00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:37,633
♪ ♪
530
00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:45,667
[light dramatic music]
531
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:48,166
- So we have six boys
532
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,700
that we need to figure out
who they're married to
533
00:25:50,734 --> 00:25:52,300
and every one of their kids.
534
00:25:52,333 --> 00:25:54,500
- Right.
- So it has to be the daughter
535
00:25:54,533 --> 00:25:57,266
of one of those
remaining siblings.
536
00:25:57,300 --> 00:26:00,066
- Starting out,
Morgan is the first boy.
537
00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:02,033
Second boy is Leo.
538
00:26:02,066 --> 00:26:04,700
- Leo.
Robert.
539
00:26:04,734 --> 00:26:07,200
- Billy.
540
00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:09,066
- And they're all still
Oklahoma-based?
541
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:10,567
- Well, we don't know
that for sure.
542
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,200
We're going to have
to begin to, you know,
543
00:26:12,233 --> 00:26:13,500
fill that out,
fill that information.
544
00:26:13,533 --> 00:26:14,700
- All right, well then,
545
00:26:14,734 --> 00:26:16,700
let's do some more
research on all of them.
546
00:26:16,734 --> 00:26:19,133
I guess everybody,
let's hit our computers,
547
00:26:19,166 --> 00:26:20,633
see what we can find,
find phone numbers,
548
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:22,533
maybe we need to start talking
to some of these people too
549
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:24,133
if they're alive.
550
00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:25,333
- Yeah.
- Okay.
551
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,266
- We methodically went
through the siblings,
552
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:30,567
starting with his oldest
and working down,
553
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,033
and trying to figure out,
554
00:26:32,066 --> 00:26:34,200
you know, who they would
have been married to.
555
00:26:34,233 --> 00:26:36,300
And if any of them
had a daughter,
556
00:26:36,333 --> 00:26:38,033
that could be our Jane Doe.
557
00:26:38,066 --> 00:26:39,633
We couldn't get anywhere.
558
00:26:39,667 --> 00:26:42,600
But lo and behold,
weeks later we discovered
559
00:26:42,633 --> 00:26:45,533
Billy Thomas,
Bettie's brother,
560
00:26:45,567 --> 00:26:47,667
the only living sibling.
561
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:50,633
- This whole line of siblings
and only one of them
562
00:26:50,667 --> 00:26:53,300
was still living,
and that was Billy.
563
00:26:53,333 --> 00:26:56,633
He's now 85 years old,
in Oklahoma.
564
00:26:56,667 --> 00:26:58,633
[line ringing]
565
00:27:01,734 --> 00:27:06,166
- Hey, is this Billy?
566
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,000
- This is Detective Williams
from Oregon.
567
00:27:08,033 --> 00:27:11,000
How are you doing?
568
00:27:11,033 --> 00:27:12,767
- Hoping that he could fill in
some of the holes,
569
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,667
I asked Billy
about his nieces and nephews.
570
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:18,667
- We just had a conversation,
you know,
571
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:24,166
and he said that
he's working on this case.
572
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,734
I gave him what I knew.
573
00:27:25,767 --> 00:27:29,133
I've got five brothers,
I'm the sixth.
574
00:27:29,166 --> 00:27:32,033
Leo was my second
oldest brother.
575
00:27:32,066 --> 00:27:35,667
Him and his wife
had three daughters.
576
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:38,266
- Billy said none of his
other brothers had daughters,
577
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:41,567
but Leo had three girls
with Jessie, his wife.
578
00:27:42,767 --> 00:27:45,100
- I don't know how
he met her or anything.
579
00:27:45,133 --> 00:27:49,000
All I can tell you is they had
Sandra, Linda, and Kathy.
580
00:27:49,033 --> 00:27:51,166
- All he knew
were first names.
581
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,367
He hadn't seen them since
they were little kids,
582
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,033
so knowing that Leo and Jessie
had three girls
583
00:27:57,066 --> 00:28:00,166
born in about
the right time in the 50s,
584
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,133
I'm almost certain that
one of them is our Doe.
585
00:28:02,166 --> 00:28:06,700
♪ ♪
586
00:28:06,734 --> 00:28:09,233
- Billy said the girls
were split up
587
00:28:09,266 --> 00:28:13,300
after his brother Leo and
Jessie divorced around 1959.
588
00:28:16,133 --> 00:28:18,166
Here in Oklahoma.
589
00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:22,734
About five miles from town.
590
00:28:22,767 --> 00:28:27,667
- Then Billy told us something
that blew this case wide open.
591
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:30,166
- Leo took Kathy to Oregon.
592
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:33,667
- This is big.
593
00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:36,667
It's the same state
where our Jane Doe was found.
594
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:38,700
She's the right age.
595
00:28:38,734 --> 00:28:42,400
She lived not far from where
our victim's body was found.
596
00:28:42,433 --> 00:28:47,734
And her two sisters are alive,
living in the Midwest.
597
00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:51,400
Kathy is the best chance
at being our Jane Doe.
598
00:28:54,433 --> 00:28:57,200
- And I said "Well, what do
you think happened to Kathy?"
599
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:16,367
- Leo adopted her out
to a family
600
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,233
with the last name of Buxton.
601
00:29:18,266 --> 00:29:20,100
He said,
"I don't how to spell it.
602
00:29:20,133 --> 00:29:22,266
I don't know where they live.
That's just what I heard."
603
00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:24,400
So I have a name, Buxton,
604
00:29:24,433 --> 00:29:27,100
and now I got to figure out
who Linda and Sandra are.
605
00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:28,467
How can I do that?
606
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:31,667
I'm like okay,
Leo died in 1966,
607
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:35,700
but Jessie, I knew she died
in Okemah, Oklahoma.
608
00:29:35,734 --> 00:29:37,300
Called the little
newspaper there,
609
00:29:37,333 --> 00:29:40,400
asked them if they had
an obituary from 2002.
610
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,467
A relative told me that Linda
and Sandra were adopted out
611
00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:50,734
to a local family in Okemah
because Jessie, their mom,
612
00:29:50,767 --> 00:29:53,767
wanted to continue
her party lifestyle,
613
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:59,000
and the two little girls
were kind of in her way.
614
00:29:59,033 --> 00:30:02,266
The same relative was very
helpful, pointed me to Linda,
615
00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:03,700
Kathy's sister,
616
00:30:05,066 --> 00:30:06,700
and actually helped me
get Linda on the phone.
617
00:30:06,734 --> 00:30:09,700
[line ringing]
618
00:30:13,533 --> 00:30:16,133
- Hey Linda, this is Detective
Williams from Oregon.
619
00:30:16,166 --> 00:30:19,000
How are you doing?
620
00:30:19,033 --> 00:30:20,266
- Good.
621
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:22,066
- He said,
"Was your dad named Leo?"
622
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:23,500
I said yes.
623
00:30:23,533 --> 00:30:26,100
"Did you have a younger sister
named Kathy?"
624
00:30:26,133 --> 00:30:28,300
I said yes.
625
00:30:28,333 --> 00:30:33,533
He said that they
had a woman tied in a tarp.
626
00:30:33,567 --> 00:30:37,300
He wanted to know if it
could have been my sister.
627
00:30:40,533 --> 00:30:45,266
My dad took off
with her to Oregon
628
00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:49,300
once that Sandy and I
got adopted to the same family.
629
00:30:52,166 --> 00:30:56,100
And I didn't know
what had happened to Kathy.
630
00:30:56,133 --> 00:30:58,433
She was just gone
my whole life.
631
00:31:03,066 --> 00:31:08,300
- I know you've wondered
for years, where's Kathy?
632
00:31:08,333 --> 00:31:10,734
- She tells me Sandra,
her eldest sister,
633
00:31:10,767 --> 00:31:13,367
is a nurse at a hospital
in Oklahoma.
634
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,333
So I'm like,
well, no one's seen Kathy?
635
00:31:17,367 --> 00:31:19,166
That fits the puzzle.
636
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,266
Kathy is likely our Doe,
637
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:23,333
but we still need
to confirm it.
638
00:31:23,367 --> 00:31:25,500
And I said, could we get
a DNA sample to see
639
00:31:25,533 --> 00:31:28,567
if we're on the right track?
640
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,400
- And I said,
"Yes, I'll do anything I can
641
00:31:31,433 --> 00:31:33,567
to find out if it was
my sister or not."
642
00:31:38,233 --> 00:31:40,266
- Yeah.
643
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,433
- Well, will it also give you
some kind of sense
644
00:31:45,467 --> 00:31:48,100
of "now you know"?
645
00:31:50,533 --> 00:31:52,567
- That DNA sample,
646
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,467
that's gonna be the truth
one way or another.
647
00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:01,367
[tense music]
648
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,333
♪ ♪
649
00:32:03,367 --> 00:32:05,567
- After months of research,
650
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,467
my team and I
have narrowed down
651
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:10,533
Jane Doe's genealogy
to one family.
652
00:32:10,567 --> 00:32:14,367
We believe Linda Amsler
may be her sister.
653
00:32:15,533 --> 00:32:19,100
We won't know for sure
until we compare Linda's DNA
654
00:32:19,133 --> 00:32:21,166
to our victim's DNA.
655
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,100
[dramatic music]
656
00:32:24,133 --> 00:32:28,633
- She was just drinking
and running around.
657
00:32:28,667 --> 00:32:30,300
- Never heard from her again.
658
00:32:30,333 --> 00:32:33,300
Didn't know the husband's name
other than a nickname.
659
00:32:33,333 --> 00:32:35,033
- I seen her one time.
660
00:32:36,266 --> 00:32:39,200
I stopped in this little bar
there and she was there.
661
00:32:39,233 --> 00:32:41,600
- I know that Linda needed
to hear the truth,
662
00:32:41,633 --> 00:32:45,166
but it was very difficult
to break the news to her.
663
00:32:47,133 --> 00:32:50,133
[light dramatic music]
664
00:32:50,166 --> 00:32:51,533
♪ ♪
665
00:32:55,734 --> 00:32:58,133
[light dramatic music]
666
00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:00,533
♪ ♪
667
00:33:00,567 --> 00:33:04,600
- We sent Linda's DNA
to DNA Solutions
668
00:33:04,633 --> 00:33:07,567
to have a compared
with our victim,
669
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,066
our Doe's DNA.
670
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:17,100
♪ ♪
671
00:33:19,533 --> 00:33:22,667
Now we know for sure
who our Jane Doe is.
672
00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:25,033
It's Linda's sister, Kathy.
673
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,000
Now that we have the results,
674
00:33:37,033 --> 00:33:39,166
Detective Williams and I
are heading to Oklahoma
675
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,600
to break the news
to Linda in person.
676
00:33:41,633 --> 00:33:44,767
Hopefully, Linda can lead us
to who saw Kathy last,
677
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,500
and then ultimately
to her killer.
678
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,100
So Linda,
thank you for meeting us.
679
00:33:59,133 --> 00:34:01,600
I know from the first day
that we called you
680
00:34:01,633 --> 00:34:02,734
and talked to you,
this has been
681
00:34:04,133 --> 00:34:04,533
kind of an emotional
roller coaster for you.
682
00:34:04,567 --> 00:34:05,667
- Mm-hmm.
683
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:07,400
- Thank you for working
with us.
684
00:34:07,433 --> 00:34:10,000
I know getting a phone call out
of the blue about your sister--
685
00:34:10,033 --> 00:34:12,734
- Like you said,
out of nowhere, too.
686
00:34:12,767 --> 00:34:14,700
- I know, and it was
out of nowhere,
687
00:34:14,734 --> 00:34:17,166
and you did something
very special.
688
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,467
You gave me your DNA.
689
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:21,734
I know that Linda needed
to hear the truth,
690
00:34:21,767 --> 00:34:25,000
but it was very difficult
to break the news to her.
691
00:34:25,033 --> 00:34:28,233
So we do know, um...
692
00:34:32,266 --> 00:34:35,100
You are a match.
You are her sister.
693
00:34:35,133 --> 00:34:36,633
- I knew it.
694
00:34:36,667 --> 00:34:39,767
[somber music]
695
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,200
♪ ♪
696
00:34:42,233 --> 00:34:44,066
- The DNA definitely confirms
697
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:48,300
that our person that we have
is your biological sister.
698
00:34:48,333 --> 00:34:51,700
♪ ♪
699
00:34:51,734 --> 00:34:54,166
- I knew it was,
in my heart.
700
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,233
By looking at her picture.
701
00:34:56,266 --> 00:34:59,033
We all have this nose.
702
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,300
I didn't really want it
to be her.
703
00:35:03,333 --> 00:35:07,500
I wanted a family
when I was young, so bad.
704
00:35:07,533 --> 00:35:11,667
And now to finally get it,
but she's gone.
705
00:35:15,667 --> 00:35:18,200
And I'll never
have my sister back.
706
00:35:22,633 --> 00:35:25,200
It would have been nice
if we'd had a real family
707
00:35:25,233 --> 00:35:27,000
like everybody else.
708
00:35:27,033 --> 00:35:29,600
- Tell me about your family.
709
00:35:29,633 --> 00:35:34,266
- Leo Thomas was my dad.
710
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:37,500
And Jessie Dodson
was my mother,
711
00:35:37,533 --> 00:35:41,100
Thomas after they got
married in 1949.
712
00:35:41,133 --> 00:35:42,633
- What about Jessie?
713
00:35:42,667 --> 00:35:45,066
- She was just a cool mom,
714
00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:47,000
but she was alcoholic.
715
00:35:47,033 --> 00:35:50,600
- And tell me about Leo.
- He was funny.
716
00:35:50,633 --> 00:35:53,633
He was a little dude.
- [laughs]
717
00:35:53,667 --> 00:35:55,567
- Everybody was scared of him.
718
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,100
I remember,
nobody messed with him.
719
00:35:58,133 --> 00:36:01,066
- Leo and Jessie's marriage
wasn't a happy one,
720
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:04,266
and it got even worse after Leo
lost a limb in an accident.
721
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:07,266
- And he had one arm, right?
- Uh-huh, yes, he had one arm.
722
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:10,367
What I was told is
he was playing chicken
723
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,700
on the railroad track.
724
00:36:12,734 --> 00:36:15,367
And I don't know
if it's true or not.
725
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,367
[gentle music]
726
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,533
♪ ♪
727
00:36:23,567 --> 00:36:25,233
- I know that you guys
were all separated
728
00:36:25,266 --> 00:36:26,633
when Kathy was six.
729
00:36:26,667 --> 00:36:27,667
You would have
been seven, right?
730
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:29,000
- Mm-hmm.
731
00:36:29,033 --> 00:36:31,033
- Sandy would have
been around eight?
732
00:36:31,066 --> 00:36:34,133
- Me and Sandy's a year
and 11 days apart.
733
00:36:36,233 --> 00:36:39,767
- Linda's story is
kind of tragic.
734
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,100
She had a rough childhood
735
00:36:42,133 --> 00:36:43,767
'cause, you know,
her mom gave her away
736
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,700
and she kept running away
to go see her real mom.
737
00:36:47,734 --> 00:36:51,333
- I love my mom
and I wanted to be with her.
738
00:36:51,367 --> 00:36:53,100
And that's all I knew.
739
00:36:53,133 --> 00:36:56,266
I mean, even though
I was adopted to good people,
740
00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:59,066
there was something
missing in my heart,
741
00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:01,400
and I wanted my mom.
742
00:37:01,433 --> 00:37:04,266
But why she got rid
of all of us to begin with
743
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:09,667
is due to drinking
and running around.
744
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:13,734
She didn't want to be tied down
to all of us kids.
745
00:37:13,767 --> 00:37:18,066
- Since their father Leo
took Kathy to Oregon in 1959,
746
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:22,100
no one in Oklahoma knew
what happened to her.
747
00:37:22,133 --> 00:37:25,400
Then in 1977, when Kathy
turned 24 years old,
748
00:37:25,433 --> 00:37:27,767
Linda finally heard
from her sister.
749
00:37:30,734 --> 00:37:34,233
- She did come down here
once when she was grown.
750
00:37:34,266 --> 00:37:36,200
She was flaunting money.
751
00:37:36,233 --> 00:37:41,233
Kathy had left her husband,
and his name was Jug.
752
00:37:41,266 --> 00:37:45,100
And that's when she showed me
pictures of the three babies.
753
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,433
She just left her kids
with him.
754
00:37:50,467 --> 00:37:53,033
- We always suspected
that Kathy was a mother,
755
00:37:53,066 --> 00:37:54,633
but now we have proof.
756
00:37:54,667 --> 00:37:59,300
- She said that she had
three kids then.
757
00:37:59,333 --> 00:38:01,700
I couldn't imagine her
having three
758
00:38:01,734 --> 00:38:06,033
'cause I just had the one,
but she did show me pictures.
759
00:38:06,066 --> 00:38:08,200
- Do you know how old the kids
were in those pictures?
760
00:38:08,233 --> 00:38:10,166
- They was young.
761
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,300
- We know that she's a mother,
so there must be
762
00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:15,734
a family member out there
looking for her.
763
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,200
- For 23 years,
764
00:38:19,233 --> 00:38:22,033
I said to the people
that I was working with,
765
00:38:22,066 --> 00:38:24,734
"Somewhere out there
there's somebody asking,
766
00:38:24,767 --> 00:38:26,367
'Where's my mom?'
'Where's my sister?'
767
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,333
And that's who I want
to get the answers for."
768
00:38:29,367 --> 00:38:30,767
- But it's amazing.
769
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,367
- This is better
than I expected.
770
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,100
- Now there's also the
investigation of the homicide.
771
00:38:36,133 --> 00:38:37,333
- Mm-hmm.
772
00:38:37,367 --> 00:38:38,767
- That's something
that's actively being worked.
773
00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:42,000
I can't really say anything
until all of that happens.
774
00:38:42,033 --> 00:38:44,734
But we'll let you know
how that goes.
775
00:38:44,767 --> 00:38:46,266
- Yeah.
776
00:38:48,066 --> 00:38:50,734
She's finally gonna
get to rest.
777
00:38:50,767 --> 00:38:55,100
'Cause nobody who she was.
778
00:38:55,133 --> 00:38:57,066
[gentle music]
779
00:38:57,100 --> 00:39:00,767
But today it was like
she finally got some peace.
780
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,100
♪ ♪
781
00:39:03,133 --> 00:39:06,100
- It was a very
difficult conversation.
782
00:39:06,133 --> 00:39:07,433
But knowing the truth,
783
00:39:07,467 --> 00:39:10,100
hopefully this will help
Linda heal.
784
00:39:10,133 --> 00:39:14,433
♪ ♪
785
00:39:14,467 --> 00:39:17,400
[tense music]
786
00:39:17,433 --> 00:39:20,333
♪ ♪
787
00:39:20,367 --> 00:39:22,367
- For me,
this case is not over
788
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,200
until we can get some answers
789
00:39:24,233 --> 00:39:26,166
to find out
who did this to Kathy,
790
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,233
and get those answers
to Linda and her family.
791
00:39:28,266 --> 00:39:30,333
The good news to me
is I have a name, Buxton.
792
00:39:30,367 --> 00:39:32,367
So why not,
let's try and let's look
793
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,333
for property owners
in Oregon.
794
00:39:35,367 --> 00:39:37,400
But then the team sends me
795
00:39:37,433 --> 00:39:41,400
a little, tiny newspaper
article from 1966
796
00:39:41,433 --> 00:39:43,400
that listed the incident
797
00:39:43,433 --> 00:39:49,066
where Kathy's father Leo
and his buddy die in a car.
798
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:51,367
Leo, him and a buddy
get stuck in the mud.
799
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,266
They leave the car running
'cause it's too cold outside,
800
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:58,100
and they asphyxiate
in the car.
801
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:02,767
And as is common
when people are mentioned
802
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,367
in newspaper articles,
803
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,133
it lists the city
that they're from.
804
00:40:07,367 --> 00:40:09,166
And next to Leo's name was
the words "Oakland, Oregon."
805
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:14,233
And that was the first time
we got a city in Oregon
806
00:40:14,266 --> 00:40:16,734
where he's supposedly from.
807
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,734
I know Oakland is
a very small town.
808
00:40:21,767 --> 00:40:23,367
It's not like Salem
or Portland
809
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,367
where you got hundreds
of thousands of people.
810
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,033
So pretty quick
property search
811
00:40:28,066 --> 00:40:30,367
of Douglas County Records
for the name of "Buxton,"
812
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,200
and up popped an older couple,
so I gave them a call.
813
00:40:33,233 --> 00:40:35,200
He was more than helpful,
but he was like
814
00:40:35,233 --> 00:40:37,367
"I'm sorry, I don't know the
names you're throwing out."
815
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,367
I was about to hang up
with him and he said,
816
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,433
"You know, people used to ask
me when I moved here
817
00:40:41,467 --> 00:40:43,300
if I'm related
to Richard Buxton,"
818
00:40:43,333 --> 00:40:45,367
who I guess has been
around here forever.
819
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,166
So I called Richard,
820
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,233
I started to tell him
a little bit about my case,
821
00:40:49,266 --> 00:40:51,033
and he interrupted me
and he said,
822
00:40:51,066 --> 00:40:53,367
"Is this about
my adopted sister Kathy?"
823
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,400
[light dramatic music]
824
00:40:56,433 --> 00:40:58,100
♪ ♪
825
00:41:02,233 --> 00:41:04,533
[light dramatic music]
826
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:07,600
♪ ♪
827
00:41:07,633 --> 00:41:11,367
- 23 years after
our Jane Doe was murdered,
828
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,600
we finally know her name
is Kathy Thomas,
829
00:41:14,633 --> 00:41:17,400
born in Oklahoma.
830
00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:20,066
Kathy's father, Leo,
831
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:24,066
took six-year-old
Kathy to Oregon in 1959,
832
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:27,734
and adopted her out
to a family named Buxton.
833
00:41:29,133 --> 00:41:31,734
- Kathy's adopted brother,
Richard, lives in Oregon.
834
00:41:31,767 --> 00:41:33,600
We're on our way to see him
to find out
835
00:41:33,633 --> 00:41:36,600
what he knows about Kathy.
836
00:41:36,633 --> 00:41:39,033
Which I knew was
a small town in Oregon,
837
00:41:39,066 --> 00:41:43,133
so that caused me to search
property records in Oakland
838
00:41:43,166 --> 00:41:45,100
for someone named Buxton,
839
00:41:45,133 --> 00:41:47,600
and I found an old couple
who are in their 80s,
840
00:41:47,633 --> 00:41:49,467
and they didn't know
anything about the names
841
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,767
I was giving them,
but right before I hung up,
842
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,033
they said,
"People used to always ask me,
843
00:41:54,066 --> 00:41:56,033
'Are you related
to Richard Buxton?'"
844
00:41:56,066 --> 00:41:58,200
- Right.
- And so I thought, well,
845
00:41:58,233 --> 00:42:01,233
let's try to find Richard,
and I did find him.
846
00:42:01,266 --> 00:42:03,467
When I started
talking to Richard,
847
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:05,133
telling him a little bit
about our case,
848
00:42:05,166 --> 00:42:07,100
and he interrupted me
and said,
849
00:42:07,133 --> 00:42:09,767
"Is this about
my adopted sister Kathy?"
850
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,633
I was just speechless.
851
00:42:11,667 --> 00:42:13,567
You know, I'm like,
here we are.
852
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,467
I found somebody
who knows Kathy.
853
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:17,633
He said, "Well,
her dad's name was Leo.
854
00:42:17,667 --> 00:42:19,467
Her mom's name was Jessie."
855
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:21,467
I'm like,
"Oh, Richard, you and I
856
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:23,033
are going to be doing
a lot of talking, I think."
857
00:42:23,066 --> 00:42:24,433
- A lot of talking.
858
00:42:25,567 --> 00:42:27,433
We've just got such huge gaps
in Kathy's life,
859
00:42:27,467 --> 00:42:31,433
so it would be nice to fill
in some of these blanks.
860
00:42:38,133 --> 00:42:40,600
There we go.
861
00:42:45,166 --> 00:42:48,166
- Hi, Rick. Nice to meet you.
- You too.
862
00:42:52,467 --> 00:42:55,166
- I think so.
863
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,433
- Oh, sweet!
864
00:42:57,467 --> 00:42:59,133
- My wife dug out stuff out
of an old cedar chest
865
00:42:59,166 --> 00:43:01,133
that I had ended up with.
866
00:43:01,166 --> 00:43:04,000
Didn't even know
I had all this stuff.
867
00:43:04,033 --> 00:43:06,166
- Oh, my God, look how cute
you guys look.
868
00:43:08,133 --> 00:43:09,467
Richard was six years old,
869
00:43:10,734 --> 00:43:13,467
the same age Kathy was,
when Kathy arrived with Leo.
870
00:43:14,667 --> 00:43:17,066
- There are some
teenage ones in there.
871
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:19,133
- Mm-hmm.
- Probably junior high.
872
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,233
- Richard's parents,
Ailene and Orlin Buxton,
873
00:43:24,266 --> 00:43:26,233
owned several properties.
874
00:43:26,266 --> 00:43:31,567
One they rented to Leo
and Kathy around 1960.
875
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:36,233
- This is the house
that her and Leo stayed in
876
00:43:36,266 --> 00:43:38,166
when they came.
877
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,300
They lived in this room
up here.
878
00:43:42,266 --> 00:43:45,000
My mom had made all these
into apartments,
879
00:43:45,033 --> 00:43:48,200
little single room,
and they stayed up there.
880
00:43:48,233 --> 00:43:50,600
- These are amazing.
Why don't we do this?
881
00:43:50,633 --> 00:43:52,100
Why don't we take a drive
882
00:43:52,133 --> 00:43:54,533
out to the house
where you guys grew up?
883
00:43:54,567 --> 00:43:56,166
- Yeah.
- We'll just follow you.
884
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,033
- Okay.
- Yep.
885
00:44:06,633 --> 00:44:09,266
- It's changed a lot, huh?
886
00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:10,633
This was your guys' house?
887
00:44:12,734 --> 00:44:15,233
- When you first met Kathy,
you were an only child, right?
888
00:44:15,266 --> 00:44:16,533
- Mm-hmm.
889
00:44:16,567 --> 00:44:19,200
- So what was it like
having her around?
890
00:44:19,233 --> 00:44:21,266
- She'd come walking up
every morning,
891
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:23,200
my mom would let her
come in and eat
892
00:44:23,233 --> 00:44:24,734
because she never
had anything.
893
00:44:24,767 --> 00:44:26,633
She didn't have any shoes.
894
00:44:26,667 --> 00:44:28,767
We had a heck of a time
getting her to wear shoes.
895
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,266
I can remember a story
896
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:33,367
that her dad
would go into a beer joint.
897
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,066
Shouldn't have even took a kid
in a beer joint,
898
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:36,100
but you could back then.
899
00:44:36,133 --> 00:44:38,300
She could sing.
900
00:44:38,333 --> 00:44:42,367
And she would sing
and pass the hat.
901
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,767
- Maybe that's
why he took her?
902
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,767
He figured she could
make money for them.
903
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,133
- Oh, I think he'd just
make food, is what I think,
904
00:44:48,166 --> 00:44:50,266
or beer.
905
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:52,266
- Horrible life for a kid.
906
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:55,700
- Yeah.
907
00:44:55,734 --> 00:44:58,133
Her dad was a loser.
908
00:45:02,133 --> 00:45:04,633
- Richard's mother,
Ailene Buxton,
909
00:45:04,667 --> 00:45:06,667
took Kathy under her wing
910
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:10,033
and became a positive
influence in her life.
911
00:45:10,066 --> 00:45:13,000
She even set up a bedroom
inside their home for Kathy,
912
00:45:13,033 --> 00:45:15,567
and bought her clothes.
913
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,033
- She'd come up
and never leave and--
914
00:45:18,066 --> 00:45:20,633
[laughs]
- Became a permanent guest?
915
00:45:20,667 --> 00:45:22,767
- Did Leo bring up the idea of
the adoption or did your mom?
916
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,367
- My mom.
917
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,667
Leo left to go find work
and never come back.
918
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:31,066
And then he got in contact
with my mom
919
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:35,333
and he was up against it,
and my mom sent him $5,000,
920
00:45:35,367 --> 00:45:37,367
which was a lot of money
in 1960.
921
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,166
- Sure.
- Yeah it was.
922
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,667
- And he signed
the adoption papers.
923
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,700
- She became Richard's
adopted sister.
924
00:45:48,567 --> 00:45:51,033
- My mother wanted a daughter.
925
00:45:51,066 --> 00:45:52,333
They couldn't have any kids.
926
00:45:52,367 --> 00:45:55,633
They adopted me when I was,
like, a newborn.
927
00:45:55,667 --> 00:45:59,066
- Growing up, Kathy and
Richard lost their adopted dad
928
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:00,333
to heart disease,
929
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:03,100
but Kathy became close
to her new mom, Ailene.
930
00:46:03,133 --> 00:46:08,400
Ten years later, in 1970,
Ailene became ill with cancer.
931
00:46:08,433 --> 00:46:11,700
It hit Kathy
particularly hard.
932
00:46:11,734 --> 00:46:14,700
[gentle music]
933
00:46:14,734 --> 00:46:16,133
♪ ♪
934
00:46:17,266 --> 00:46:19,767
So when Kathy meets
18-year-old Carl Tracy,
935
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,333
she was very vulnerable.
936
00:46:23,367 --> 00:46:27,233
Though Kathy was only 16,
she and Carl tied the knot.
937
00:46:27,266 --> 00:46:29,400
Soon after,
she was pregnant.
938
00:46:29,433 --> 00:46:32,433
They were both teenagers,
so it was no shock
939
00:46:32,467 --> 00:46:34,667
that the relationship
didn't last long.
940
00:46:37,033 --> 00:46:39,700
- They got married
in August of '70.
941
00:46:39,734 --> 00:46:41,767
They got divorced
in April of '71.
942
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:48,433
And he left the state
almost immediately
943
00:46:48,467 --> 00:46:50,300
and joined the Navy.
944
00:46:50,333 --> 00:46:53,767
I don't know if Carl
paid child support.
945
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,367
Hard to know what Carl
actually thought at the time.
946
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,000
Carl's actions
are certainly suspect.
947
00:47:01,033 --> 00:47:02,367
Perhaps he didn't want
to be tied down
948
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,367
with a child
or child support.
949
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,333
- Kathy gives birth
to a daughter in July.
950
00:47:13,367 --> 00:47:17,400
She names her Tina Ailene,
in honor of her sick mom.
951
00:47:17,433 --> 00:47:20,400
[gentle music]
952
00:47:20,433 --> 00:47:27,400
♪ ♪
953
00:47:28,433 --> 00:47:30,367
Really, the only people
that truly cared
954
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,000
about her was your mom,
955
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:34,700
and then she lost her at such
a young, vulnerable age.
956
00:47:34,734 --> 00:47:37,100
- Her security blanket
was gone.
957
00:47:37,133 --> 00:47:38,233
- Yeah.
958
00:47:38,266 --> 00:47:41,000
In her will,
Ailene left a large estate
959
00:47:41,033 --> 00:47:46,367
to Richard and Kathy
to split when they turned 25.
960
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,467
- A couple years later,
she was broke
961
00:47:48,500 --> 00:47:52,100
and wanted to sell her part
of the escrow that we'd set up.
962
00:47:52,133 --> 00:47:54,066
And I tried to talk her
out of it.
963
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:55,000
If she would have kept it,
964
00:47:56,033 --> 00:47:59,033
it would have amounted
to $360,000.
965
00:47:59,066 --> 00:48:02,533
She would have had $1,000
a month coming for 30 years.
966
00:48:02,567 --> 00:48:05,333
- Starting when you were 25.
- Yes.
967
00:48:05,367 --> 00:48:08,100
I mean, that don't sound
like much now, but it was then.
968
00:48:08,133 --> 00:48:11,266
- She just wanted the money.
- She wanted out.
969
00:48:12,367 --> 00:48:15,734
She sold me her part
of the escrow.
970
00:48:15,767 --> 00:48:18,300
It was a bad choice.
Very bad choice.
971
00:48:18,333 --> 00:48:20,033
- Very bad choice,
versus hanging onto it.
972
00:48:20,066 --> 00:48:21,033
- Yeah.
973
00:48:21,066 --> 00:48:24,033
[somber music]
974
00:48:24,066 --> 00:48:29,066
♪ ♪
975
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:31,000
- Tina's entitled
to Kathy's share of that.
976
00:48:31,033 --> 00:48:33,433
- Yeah.
- And I still got it.
977
00:48:33,467 --> 00:48:35,400
- And your mom, I'm sure,
would feel the same way.
978
00:48:35,433 --> 00:48:40,033
- Yeah, but I'm afraid
Tina ain't with us.
979
00:48:40,066 --> 00:48:42,033
I don't know
who told me that,
980
00:48:42,066 --> 00:48:44,100
but somebody said that
that Tina had passed away.
981
00:48:44,133 --> 00:48:51,033
♪ ♪
982
00:48:51,066 --> 00:48:54,734
- Richard told us that Kathy's
daughter Tina died.
983
00:48:54,767 --> 00:48:58,033
But we have to find out
if that's true.
984
00:48:59,467 --> 00:49:02,533
But a search for Tina Ailene
comes up empty.
985
00:49:02,567 --> 00:49:05,100
So we need to track down
Carl Tracy,
986
00:49:05,133 --> 00:49:08,033
Kathy's ex-husband,
Tina's father.
987
00:49:08,066 --> 00:49:10,467
Does he know anything
about Kathy's murder?
988
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:13,333
Spouses, whether they are
still married or not,
989
00:49:13,367 --> 00:49:17,033
are always potential suspects.
990
00:49:17,066 --> 00:49:21,100
- We're trying to find out
more information about her.
991
00:49:30,066 --> 00:49:32,133
- Why do you doubt
that they got divorced?
992
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:38,133
[light dramatic music]
993
00:49:38,166 --> 00:49:39,767
♪ ♪
994
00:49:43,767 --> 00:49:47,100
[light dramatic music]
995
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,066
[tense music]
996
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:55,033
♪ ♪
997
00:49:55,066 --> 00:49:58,700
- In Oregon, Kathy's adopted
brother, Richard Buxton,
998
00:49:58,734 --> 00:50:01,200
told us that Kathy
had given birth
999
00:50:01,233 --> 00:50:05,633
to a daughter named Tina Ailene
when she was 17 years old.
1000
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:11,533
Richard also revealed
that Kathy had married
1001
00:50:11,567 --> 00:50:13,633
and divorced the father,
Carl Tracy.
1002
00:50:13,667 --> 00:50:16,633
We have to find out
if Carl knows anything
1003
00:50:16,667 --> 00:50:19,567
about his ex-wife's murder,
but first we have to find him.
1004
00:50:20,667 --> 00:50:25,033
- The records I found show that
he lived in the Las Vegas area.
1005
00:50:25,066 --> 00:50:28,066
[line ringing]
1006
00:50:31,533 --> 00:50:33,600
- Hey, is this Carl Tracy?
1007
00:50:33,633 --> 00:50:34,667
My name's John Williams,
I'm a detective
1008
00:50:36,166 --> 00:50:39,066
with the Polk County
Sheriff's Office up in Oregon.
1009
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:41,100
Wanted to know if you might
have a few minutes
1010
00:50:41,133 --> 00:50:43,100
I could talk to you
about Kathy,
1011
00:50:43,133 --> 00:50:45,100
who you were married to
years ago?
1012
00:50:47,633 --> 00:50:49,100
- The information
I've been able to find
1013
00:50:49,133 --> 00:50:51,533
was that she had
a girl with you,
1014
00:50:51,567 --> 00:50:53,533
and I think
her name was Tina,
1015
00:50:53,567 --> 00:50:57,100
but we've not been able to find
any information about Tina.
1016
00:50:57,133 --> 00:50:59,633
We were hoping
that she might have--
1017
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,100
- Okay.
1018
00:51:07,133 --> 00:51:08,633
This might actually be true,
1019
00:51:08,667 --> 00:51:11,133
'cause Kathy has family
out in Oklahoma.
1020
00:51:11,166 --> 00:51:14,066
So I felt this was the time
now I could reveal to Carl
1021
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:15,133
a little more about Kathy.
1022
00:51:15,166 --> 00:51:17,633
Kathy is deceased,
1023
00:51:17,667 --> 00:51:20,133
and we're trying to find out
what happened to her.
1024
00:51:24,166 --> 00:51:27,633
- Did you ever see her
after you guys got divorced?
1025
00:51:39,033 --> 00:51:42,000
- Did you see her with
somebody or not at all?
1026
00:51:47,133 --> 00:51:49,567
- When Carl said the name
Jug Gardner,
1027
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,667
that immediately
rang a bell.
1028
00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:56,033
Linda told me that when Kathy
came out for that visit,
1029
00:51:56,066 --> 00:51:58,133
that her husband's name
was Jug.
1030
00:51:58,166 --> 00:52:00,133
Did you ever hear
that she got married to him
1031
00:52:00,166 --> 00:52:02,133
after she got married to you?
1032
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,200
- Yeah.
1033
00:52:05,233 --> 00:52:14,200
- Okay.
1034
00:52:14,233 --> 00:52:17,066
- Well, thank you, Carl.
1035
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:20,100
- Detective Williams finds
no evidence linking Carl Tracy
1036
00:52:20,133 --> 00:52:22,133
to his ex-wife's murder.
1037
00:52:22,166 --> 00:52:24,100
- When Carl and Kathy
got divorced,
1038
00:52:24,133 --> 00:52:27,000
he joined the Navy and then
once he got out of the Navy,
1039
00:52:27,033 --> 00:52:29,600
he's been living in Nevada,
and have been for decades.
1040
00:52:29,633 --> 00:52:32,667
There was no evidence
that Carl was in Oregon
1041
00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:35,200
at the time Kathy was killed.
1042
00:52:35,233 --> 00:52:37,700
- Now, we need to find out
what we can
1043
00:52:37,734 --> 00:52:40,667
about James Gardner,
nicknamed Jug.
1044
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:43,667
Is he still possibly
in the area?
1045
00:52:45,133 --> 00:52:47,734
- We looked at birth records,
marriage records,
1046
00:52:47,767 --> 00:52:50,467
employment records,
1047
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:53,633
and James "Jug" Gardner
was a laborer.
1048
00:52:55,166 --> 00:52:57,767
And what was interesting,
he rented an apartment
1049
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,066
in the same building
that Kathy lived in,
1050
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:03,066
and they must have
hit it off.
1051
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:05,333
- At the time,
Kathy was all alone.
1052
00:53:05,367 --> 00:53:07,734
She never had
any close friends,
1053
00:53:07,767 --> 00:53:10,300
probably stemming
from being abandoned
1054
00:53:10,333 --> 00:53:12,166
by her biological parents.
1055
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,033
Just 18 years old and with
an infant daughter to raise,
1056
00:53:16,066 --> 00:53:19,734
Kathy turns to Jug
for support.
1057
00:53:19,767 --> 00:53:23,734
According to court records,
the couple marry in December,
1058
00:53:23,767 --> 00:53:26,433
two months
after her mother's death.
1059
00:53:28,266 --> 00:53:31,433
Birth certificates
reveal that in 1973,
1060
00:53:31,467 --> 00:53:36,266
Kathy gave birth to her
second child, James, Jr.,
1061
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:40,433
and then her third child,
Candice, in 1974.
1062
00:53:43,433 --> 00:53:47,000
Kathy and James Gardner
had split up.
1063
00:53:47,033 --> 00:53:49,100
We need to find
husband number two.
1064
00:53:49,133 --> 00:53:51,100
He might know something more
1065
00:53:51,133 --> 00:53:55,100
about where Kathy was
the night she was killed.
1066
00:53:56,233 --> 00:53:58,233
- James Gardner,
second husband,
1067
00:53:58,266 --> 00:54:00,367
had a lot of addresses
in his history.
1068
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,767
A lot of phone numbers.
They were all disconnected.
1069
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,767
I was lucky enough
to reach his sister.
1070
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,667
She was not close to James.
1071
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:09,500
She said, "I don't really
know where he's at,
1072
00:54:09,533 --> 00:54:13,000
but he's in Sutherland
somewhere."
1073
00:54:13,033 --> 00:54:16,000
[suspenseful music]
1074
00:54:16,033 --> 00:54:23,033
♪ ♪
1075
00:54:30,166 --> 00:54:32,266
So it's this side
of the street.
1076
00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:34,200
It's probably that
blue house right there.
1077
00:54:34,233 --> 00:54:37,166
There's a lady.
I'm gonna go talk to her.
1078
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,533
- You go knock on the door,
1079
00:54:38,567 --> 00:54:41,300
and I can listen in the car
what's going on.
1080
00:54:41,333 --> 00:54:44,333
- Hi there!
1081
00:54:44,367 --> 00:54:46,166
I work for the Polk County
Sheriff's Office
1082
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,300
up in the Salem area.
1083
00:54:48,333 --> 00:54:51,467
I was trying to find
a guy named James Gardner.
1084
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:54,467
Does he live here?
1085
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,066
- Well, he's not in trouble.
1086
00:54:57,100 --> 00:54:59,066
He's my I.D.
1087
00:55:00,333 --> 00:55:02,734
- I'm in the car watching
and listening,
1088
00:55:02,767 --> 00:55:05,767
I'm not sure who the woman is,
maybe James' wife,
1089
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,033
but I hope she can convince
him to come out and talk.
1090
00:55:09,066 --> 00:55:11,166
- Hey, are you James?
1091
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,000
- My name's John Williams.
1092
00:55:16,066 --> 00:55:19,500
- Kathy's been missing
for about 23 years, since '96.
1093
00:55:21,033 --> 00:55:24,467
- And we're trying to find
out more information about her.
1094
00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:38,533
- I've got a helper helping me
with this investigation.
1095
00:55:38,567 --> 00:55:42,100
Do you mind if she walks over
and joins in the conversation?
1096
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,266
- James, this is Yolanda.
- Hi.
1097
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:50,433
- Without mentioning
that Kathy was dead,
1098
00:55:50,467 --> 00:55:52,433
we asked James
about their relationship.
1099
00:55:52,467 --> 00:55:55,066
- When you guys got married,
1100
00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:58,166
I think it was like in '71,
1101
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,166
did she have a kid?
1102
00:56:01,533 --> 00:56:03,333
- My understanding
is that you guys
1103
00:56:03,367 --> 00:56:06,100
had two kids together.
1104
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,400
- What happened with the kids
1105
00:56:10,433 --> 00:56:13,000
when you got divorced
from Kathy?
1106
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,100
- Okay.
1107
00:56:28,133 --> 00:56:31,200
James was told
by Oklahoma Child Welfare
1108
00:56:31,233 --> 00:56:33,400
that Kathy had the kids
removed from her
1109
00:56:33,433 --> 00:56:36,333
because she would leave
them alone, unattended.
1110
00:56:36,367 --> 00:56:38,400
And at the time,
they would have been five,
1111
00:56:38,433 --> 00:56:40,100
six, seven years old.
1112
00:56:40,133 --> 00:56:42,367
And all three got put
into foster care?
1113
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,433
- And they were adopted out?
1114
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,233
- It sounds like history
is repeating itself.
1115
00:56:48,266 --> 00:56:50,066
Kathy and her
biological sisters
1116
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:51,400
were separated
from their parents
1117
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,400
when they were about
the same age as Kathy's kids.
1118
00:56:55,433 --> 00:56:59,500
I'm not a therapist, but I can
see how Kathy's troubled past
1119
00:56:59,533 --> 00:57:02,467
affected her ability
to have a normal relationship,
1120
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:05,467
or to parent
three small children.
1121
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:09,533
James may have been upset with
Kathy for losing his kids,
1122
00:57:09,567 --> 00:57:11,266
but that's not all.
1123
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:13,200
Money may have also
played a part.
1124
00:57:13,233 --> 00:57:16,367
Kathy was due to inherit
a fortune when she turned 25.
1125
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,100
In my book,
1126
00:57:19,333 --> 00:57:21,166
that's a strong motivation
if they were still married.
1127
00:57:22,367 --> 00:57:25,266
- Did she ever receive any kind
of inheritance from her mom?
1128
00:57:34,166 --> 00:57:35,533
- But you didn't see
any of that
1129
00:57:35,567 --> 00:57:37,400
when you are married to Kathy?
1130
00:57:39,467 --> 00:57:41,266
- Okay.
1131
00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:51,266
- James Gardner last saw Kathy
years before her death.
1132
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:54,100
And he was living
in southern Oregon,
1133
00:57:54,133 --> 00:57:56,133
and there's
really nothing to show
1134
00:57:56,166 --> 00:57:58,633
that he had anything
to do with her death.
1135
00:58:04,467 --> 00:58:07,433
- Whatever happened with Tina?
1136
00:58:08,333 --> 00:58:10,567
- I'm not sure on that.
1137
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,467
- Do you still have contact
with James and Candy?
1138
00:58:15,433 --> 00:58:17,433
- Okay.
- All right.
1139
00:58:17,467 --> 00:58:19,233
- Well...
1140
00:58:19,266 --> 00:58:22,133
- No, you gave us some
information we didn't have,
1141
00:58:22,166 --> 00:58:24,166
so we appreciate it.
1142
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,266
- Candice and James found
their biological father.
1143
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:30,567
Could they have reconnected
with Kathy before her death?
1144
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,433
We've got to find them.
1145
00:58:32,467 --> 00:58:35,166
- Uncle Billy who told us
that those kids may still
1146
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,467
be living in Oklahoma,
and sure enough,
1147
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:41,333
I found a number
for Candice Thomas in Tulsa.
1148
00:58:41,367 --> 00:58:43,467
I've been wanting to call her,
but I really don't have
1149
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:45,567
the heart to break the news
over the telephone
1150
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,467
that her mother passed away.
1151
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:50,467
[tense music]
1152
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:57,500
♪ ♪
1153
00:58:59,500 --> 00:59:01,567
Hi Candy,
my name's John Williams.
1154
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,567
I'm a detective with the Polk
County Sheriff's Office
1155
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,233
up in Oregon.
1156
00:59:05,266 --> 00:59:06,500
How are you doing?
1157
00:59:06,533 --> 00:59:07,600
- The reason I'm calling
1158
00:59:08,633 --> 00:59:11,500
is I've had a case
for about 23 years,
1159
00:59:11,533 --> 00:59:15,133
and we've determined that it
involves your mother, Kathy.
1160
00:59:25,500 --> 00:59:28,500
[light dramatic music]
1161
00:59:28,533 --> 00:59:30,367
♪ ♪
1162
00:59:33,734 --> 00:59:36,300
[light dramatic music]
1163
00:59:36,667 --> 00:59:37,266
♪ ♪
1164
00:59:37,667 --> 00:59:41,166
[gentle music]
1165
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,600
- For the past 11 months,
Detective Williams and I
1166
00:59:44,633 --> 00:59:47,734
have been trying to track down
what happened to Kathy Thomas
1167
00:59:47,767 --> 00:59:51,667
and if her first child, Tina,
is still alive.
1168
00:59:51,700 --> 00:59:57,300
We located her youngest child,
Candice Thomas, in Oklahoma,
1169
00:59:57,333 --> 00:59:59,600
to find out
what she might know.
1170
01:00:30,066 --> 01:00:32,233
- This was such
an incredible moment
1171
01:00:32,266 --> 01:00:34,600
for Detective Williams and I.
1172
01:00:34,633 --> 01:00:37,767
Everyone thought that something
possibly happened to Tina,
1173
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,066
and now both of us couldn't be
more excited to know
1174
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:42,734
that Tina's here and well.
1175
01:00:42,767 --> 01:00:45,734
[uneasy music]
1176
01:00:45,767 --> 01:00:50,667
♪ ♪
1177
01:00:50,700 --> 01:00:53,567
Well, I am hoping that Candy
is still in touch with Tina.
1178
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,700
- Yeah.
1179
01:00:55,734 --> 01:00:58,600
- It's just gonna be
an emotional moment.
1180
01:00:58,633 --> 01:01:00,600
'Cause for the first time,
you are going to hear
1181
01:01:00,633 --> 01:01:05,066
that your mother was murdered
23 years ago.
1182
01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:07,600
- It's a death notification,
it really is.
1183
01:01:07,633 --> 01:01:08,700
- Mm-hmm.
1184
01:01:10,233 --> 01:01:11,667
- I've done a few of those,
and they're not pleasant.
1185
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,767
- This should be five and
maybe the next one is seven.
1186
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,266
All right, here we go.
1187
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:25,700
[dog barking distantly]
1188
01:01:25,734 --> 01:01:27,700
[knocking on door]
1189
01:01:29,767 --> 01:01:32,567
- Hi. Are you Candy?
- Yep.
1190
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,266
Candice is what I go by.
both: Candice.
1191
01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:35,567
- Candice.
- All right. John Williams.
1192
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,633
- Nice to meet you.
- Hi, Yolanda McClary.
1193
01:01:37,667 --> 01:01:38,734
- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
1194
01:01:38,767 --> 01:01:40,066
Well, thank you
for seeing us.
1195
01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:43,066
[gentle music]
1196
01:01:54,633 --> 01:01:56,500
[Candice sighs]
1197
01:02:04,667 --> 01:02:11,367
- The only memories that I have
was from the foster home on.
1198
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:15,133
I have no visual memories
1199
01:02:15,166 --> 01:02:17,133
of James or Kathy at all.
1200
01:02:17,166 --> 01:02:19,533
My mom and dad kept
all the details from us.
1201
01:02:19,567 --> 01:02:21,433
Everybody knew but us,
which, I mean,
1202
01:02:21,467 --> 01:02:23,500
you're not gonna tell kids,
you know, what happened.
1203
01:02:25,533 --> 01:02:27,300
- Were you adopted together,
all of you?
1204
01:02:27,333 --> 01:02:29,133
- James and I
were adopted together.
1205
01:02:29,166 --> 01:02:30,567
- Okay.
1206
01:02:31,633 --> 01:02:33,333
- Tina was adopted
one month before we were.
1207
01:02:33,367 --> 01:02:37,033
I can't tell you
how we ended split up.
1208
01:02:37,066 --> 01:02:40,734
I can't tell you why Tina
ended up somewhere else.
1209
01:02:40,767 --> 01:02:44,600
I just know that she did.
1210
01:02:44,633 --> 01:02:48,333
I just know that
she wasn't with me anymore.
1211
01:02:48,367 --> 01:02:50,567
We saw each other off and on
for a couple years,
1212
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,033
and then we grew apart.
1213
01:02:52,066 --> 01:02:54,166
There was just,
I don't know,
1214
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,100
a lot of outside factors
that kept us apart, I think.
1215
01:02:58,133 --> 01:03:01,567
It's just, um--
1216
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,567
it's just really,
really hard
1217
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:08,500
because we're all so scarred,
and we're all so hurt.
1218
01:03:08,533 --> 01:03:14,200
And we haven't known anything,
I mean, anything at all.
1219
01:03:14,233 --> 01:03:17,433
So we've just walked around
with a lot of hatred and anger
1220
01:03:17,467 --> 01:03:19,133
for many, many years.
1221
01:03:19,166 --> 01:03:23,166
I just knew that I was angry
and I wanted to find her,
1222
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,400
and I wanted to tell her off,
and I wanted questions,
1223
01:03:26,433 --> 01:03:30,100
I wanted to know why.
1224
01:03:30,133 --> 01:03:31,600
And unfortunately,
you know,
1225
01:03:31,633 --> 01:03:33,400
I'm never gonna get
that answer.
1226
01:03:33,433 --> 01:03:36,200
I'm never gonna be able
to ask her, "Why?"
1227
01:03:36,233 --> 01:03:40,500
Why she did the things she did.
It's just not gonna happen.
1228
01:03:40,533 --> 01:03:42,600
My mom was young.
1229
01:03:42,633 --> 01:03:45,767
You know,
she had a rough life.
1230
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,600
It's very understandable that
my mom would make mistakes
1231
01:03:49,633 --> 01:03:51,633
and that she needed support.
1232
01:03:51,667 --> 01:03:53,633
And then it finally dawned
on me that, you know,
1233
01:03:53,667 --> 01:03:57,734
my mom was the victim and not
the perpetrator in that crime,
1234
01:03:57,767 --> 01:04:00,600
and so it changed things
quite a bit.
1235
01:04:00,633 --> 01:04:05,066
It completely--
it changed things.
1236
01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:07,567
- But what's important is,
it's not your fault,
1237
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,033
what happened to you.
1238
01:04:09,066 --> 01:04:11,600
It's not Tina's fault,
and it's not James' fault.
1239
01:04:11,633 --> 01:04:16,033
I mean, you were kind of
the victims of Kathy's
1240
01:04:16,066 --> 01:04:17,767
not able to take care of you.
1241
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,166
So maybe something good
that can come out of this
1242
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,066
is you guys can put aside
whatever it was
1243
01:04:25,100 --> 01:04:29,633
and reconnect and
stay connected and, you know.
1244
01:04:29,667 --> 01:04:31,133
- And I think we will.
1245
01:04:31,166 --> 01:04:34,734
We slowly are, and this'll
help get some closure
1246
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,133
to maybe start healing
a little bit.
1247
01:04:37,166 --> 01:04:40,133
[somber music]
1248
01:04:40,166 --> 01:04:47,100
♪ ♪
1249
01:04:47,133 --> 01:04:52,467
I know, but they've got
a lot of information.
1250
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:55,567
I mean, I found out a lot.
1251
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,500
And they would like
to talk to you.
1252
01:04:58,533 --> 01:05:01,133
I mean...
1253
01:05:03,767 --> 01:05:05,734
Would you like--
would you want to--
1254
01:05:05,767 --> 01:05:08,133
- Yeah, why don't you
talk to her.
1255
01:05:08,166 --> 01:05:11,166
Ah.
1256
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,233
- Hi Tina.
My name's John Williams.
1257
01:05:15,266 --> 01:05:20,233
- I've been working this case
for over six years,
1258
01:05:20,266 --> 01:05:22,533
and then Yolanda and her team
1259
01:05:22,567 --> 01:05:26,734
started to assist me in doing
genealogical DNA testing,
1260
01:05:26,767 --> 01:05:29,133
and we were able
to finally determine
1261
01:05:29,166 --> 01:05:30,567
just a couple months ago
1262
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,734
that it was in fact Kathy,
your mom.
1263
01:05:37,266 --> 01:05:38,767
- I wish we could've provided
1264
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,066
this info to you
and Candice years ago,
1265
01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:45,633
but unfortunately it finally
took till technology
1266
01:05:45,667 --> 01:05:50,066
kind of caught up
with these kind of cases.
1267
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:56,633
- Yeah.
1268
01:05:56,667 --> 01:05:59,633
- Tell me the last thing
you remember.
1269
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:17,033
- I can only tell you some of
the things that we found.
1270
01:06:17,066 --> 01:06:23,266
So you have an Aunt Sandy
and an Aunt Linda.
1271
01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:26,567
Linda, your aunt,
would love to talk to you.
1272
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:31,166
- I had no idea about my aunt.
1273
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,667
No clue.
I did know that some of--
1274
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:36,200
that we had some family members
in Okemah.
1275
01:06:36,233 --> 01:06:41,233
And obviously I'm amazed,
I'm in shock.
1276
01:06:41,266 --> 01:06:42,533
I'm excited.
1277
01:06:43,533 --> 01:06:45,600
- We're going to meet
with your aunt tomorrow.
1278
01:06:45,633 --> 01:06:48,300
- Got some family members
who would love to meet you.
1279
01:06:52,033 --> 01:06:55,000
- We appreciate you
talking to us.
1280
01:06:55,033 --> 01:06:57,300
- So--
1281
01:06:57,333 --> 01:06:58,700
- Thanks, Tina.
Have a good night.
1282
01:06:58,734 --> 01:07:01,367
- Thanks Tina.
1283
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,200
- Give me a hug.
- Oh.
1284
01:07:03,233 --> 01:07:04,233
- Gosh.
1285
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:07,633
You have a lot to sink in,
but it'll be all right.
1286
01:07:07,667 --> 01:07:10,533
Well, thank you guys.
- I hope I see you tomorrow.
1287
01:07:19,166 --> 01:07:21,633
- I said many times
over the years,
1288
01:07:21,667 --> 01:07:23,600
somewhere out there,
there's somebody,
1289
01:07:23,633 --> 01:07:27,667
and this is better
than I expected,
1290
01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:30,400
to be able to actually meet
Kathy's relatives
1291
01:07:30,433 --> 01:07:33,333
and give them the information
that they've been looking for.
1292
01:07:33,367 --> 01:07:36,100
'Cause you were all adopted,
- Mm-hmm.
1293
01:07:36,133 --> 01:07:39,300
- And then Kathy's kids
were adopted.
1294
01:07:39,333 --> 01:07:40,667
- They were adopt--
- Oh, really?
1295
01:07:40,700 --> 01:07:42,633
- Yeah, they were adopted too.
1296
01:07:42,667 --> 01:07:44,066
- Ooh.
1297
01:07:44,100 --> 01:07:46,000
- Yeah, all three of them
were adopted.
1298
01:07:46,033 --> 01:07:48,567
- Oh, here we go again.
1299
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,633
- I'll be right back.
1300
01:07:50,667 --> 01:07:55,200
- I mean, it just screws up
the family so bad.
1301
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:05,066
- Linda, I want to
introduce you to your nieces.
1302
01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:06,667
- Oh, my God!
1303
01:08:06,700 --> 01:08:09,667
[light dramatic music]
1304
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:11,200
♪ ♪
1305
01:08:15,467 --> 01:08:17,700
[light dramatic music]
1306
01:08:18,266 --> 01:08:18,667
♪ ♪
1307
01:08:19,266 --> 01:08:20,533
[gentle music]
1308
01:08:21,533 --> 01:08:24,633
- Linda, I want to
introduce you to your nieces.
1309
01:08:24,667 --> 01:08:27,367
- Oh, my god!
- This is Candice.
1310
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:29,500
- Are you serious?
- And that's Tina.
1311
01:08:29,533 --> 01:08:31,500
- Oh, my God!
1312
01:08:31,533 --> 01:08:34,367
Oh, man.
1313
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,500
That's all I've ever wanted.
1314
01:08:38,533 --> 01:08:41,467
It's amazing.
1315
01:08:41,500 --> 01:08:46,433
And I got to say, you look
like your mother.
1316
01:08:46,467 --> 01:08:49,100
You know it?
- No.
1317
01:08:49,133 --> 01:08:54,300
- You do.
You look like your mother.
1318
01:08:54,333 --> 01:08:58,033
- It's still very shocking.
1319
01:09:00,433 --> 01:09:02,367
- That's all I've ever wanted.
1320
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,133
Almost like an out-of-body
experience for me.
1321
01:09:05,166 --> 01:09:08,367
Many, many years
I've always wondered,
1322
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,367
I've always thought to myself,
if only I knew.
1323
01:09:15,533 --> 01:09:19,033
- If only I had something
to fill in those blanks.
1324
01:09:23,133 --> 01:09:25,700
- All of a sudden,
it was right there in my lap.
1325
01:09:25,734 --> 01:09:29,433
[light music]
1326
01:09:29,467 --> 01:09:32,133
I could remember her
holding me.
1327
01:09:32,166 --> 01:09:38,367
I have this vision and these
little flashes of her face.
1328
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,367
There was obviously
some negligence,
1329
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,166
there was intervention
by the State of Oklahoma
1330
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,367
at some point.
1331
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:50,567
And we were taken
and placed in foster care.
1332
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,500
And I remember crying.
1333
01:09:53,533 --> 01:09:56,500
I was just holding
this little bag and I was,
1334
01:09:56,533 --> 01:09:59,600
"I want to go with you, Mommy.
I want to go!"
1335
01:10:01,633 --> 01:10:03,100
- You see, these--
1336
01:10:03,133 --> 01:10:06,567
this was the first time
I've ever seen her.
1337
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,200
When I saw these pictures,
it was the first time
1338
01:10:09,233 --> 01:10:13,166
I've ever had a visual of her.
1339
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:14,600
You know,
I didn't even know
1340
01:10:14,633 --> 01:10:16,600
what to picture for her
to look like.
1341
01:10:16,633 --> 01:10:20,367
I had no image to go by
or anything like that.
1342
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,467
I just knew that
I wanted to find her.
1343
01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:27,200
- It breaks my heart
because part of me is angry
1344
01:10:27,233 --> 01:10:29,500
and part of me is heartbroken
1345
01:10:29,533 --> 01:10:33,100
because of the circumstances
and how she died.
1346
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,367
She was alone.
1347
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,100
- And she suffered.
1348
01:10:39,133 --> 01:10:42,166
- And she obviously suffered
quite a bit.
1349
01:10:43,100 --> 01:10:45,367
She is at peace.
1350
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,400
Maybe this is her reaching
back out and helping us
1351
01:10:49,433 --> 01:10:52,633
get to some kind of closure.
- Mm-hmm.
1352
01:10:54,734 --> 01:10:57,200
[dramatic music]
1353
01:10:57,233 --> 01:11:00,734
[engine rumbles]
1354
01:11:00,767 --> 01:11:03,633
- Now that we identified Kathy
and found her children,
1355
01:11:03,667 --> 01:11:07,233
this was not the end for me
or Detective Williams.
1356
01:11:07,266 --> 01:11:10,200
♪ ♪
1357
01:11:10,233 --> 01:11:13,133
It looks like the same year
that Tina, Candice,
1358
01:11:13,166 --> 01:11:17,633
and James Jr. were adopted,
Kathy had moved to Portland.
1359
01:11:17,667 --> 01:11:19,633
Perhaps she was trying
to start over
1360
01:11:19,667 --> 01:11:23,467
after two bad relationships
and sad memories.
1361
01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:27,100
Here, people wouldn't
know her past.
1362
01:11:27,133 --> 01:11:30,100
So then what happens?
1363
01:11:30,133 --> 01:11:34,567
- So we do know that in 1984
she meets another guy.
1364
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,667
His name is Brian Clifton,
1365
01:11:36,700 --> 01:11:39,000
and he's from
the Portland area.
1366
01:11:39,033 --> 01:11:42,133
He's got parents, a brother,
maybe a sister.
1367
01:11:42,166 --> 01:11:44,166
And they actually
get married in Portland.
1368
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,433
- Ooh.
Okay.
1369
01:11:47,467 --> 01:11:50,233
- Apparently Kathy didn't like
to stay in one place,
1370
01:11:50,266 --> 01:11:52,233
and after she married Brian,
1371
01:11:52,266 --> 01:11:54,533
they moved from Portland
to the Salem area,
1372
01:11:54,567 --> 01:11:56,100
about 50 miles away.
1373
01:11:56,133 --> 01:11:58,233
Did we ever find anything
that they had any children?
1374
01:11:58,266 --> 01:12:00,200
- I don't believe
they had children.
1375
01:12:00,233 --> 01:12:02,633
- Okay, so Brian
and Kathy though,
1376
01:12:02,667 --> 01:12:04,633
were actually married
for quite some time, right?
1377
01:12:04,667 --> 01:12:09,166
- They were,
from '84 to at least '96.
1378
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,467
- Now the question is,
1379
01:12:11,500 --> 01:12:14,166
were Kathy and Brian
still legally married
1380
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:18,500
when Kathy was found murdered
on September 1, 1996?
1381
01:12:20,233 --> 01:12:24,533
There's also no divorce,
which is kind of odd.
1382
01:12:24,567 --> 01:12:26,567
- It is, because we found
her divorces
1383
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,166
from the first marriages.
1384
01:12:29,667 --> 01:12:32,700
They were pretty easy to find,
and why can't we find that one?
1385
01:12:32,734 --> 01:12:34,600
- I guess the one thing
that just really,
1386
01:12:34,633 --> 01:12:37,633
really just keeps
getting to me is,
1387
01:12:37,667 --> 01:12:39,700
you never see your wife again,
1388
01:12:39,734 --> 01:12:42,166
but you don't report
her missing either.
1389
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:43,600
- How does someone go missing
1390
01:12:43,633 --> 01:12:45,200
and no one reports
them missing?
1391
01:12:45,233 --> 01:12:46,600
- Yeah.
1392
01:12:46,633 --> 01:12:49,166
- So we've got
a lot of questions.
1393
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,066
[tense music]
1394
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:54,033
- Do we know anything else
about Brian?
1395
01:12:54,066 --> 01:12:57,133
- Well, he does
have kind of a past.
1396
01:12:57,166 --> 01:13:00,600
In 1973,
1397
01:13:00,633 --> 01:13:03,667
he was convicted of murder.
1398
01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:05,200
Sentenced to life in prison.
1399
01:13:05,233 --> 01:13:09,633
- Convicted of murder?
- Convicted of murder.
1400
01:13:09,667 --> 01:13:12,567
23 years before Kathy
was murdered,
1401
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,567
Brian was convicted
of a different murder.
1402
01:13:18,533 --> 01:13:22,667
For strangulating
a female motel clerk...
1403
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:25,333
♪ ♪
1404
01:13:25,367 --> 01:13:29,667
...with a vacuum cleaner
electrical cord,
1405
01:13:29,700 --> 01:13:33,734
over what he stated
was a robbery of, like, $65.
1406
01:13:33,767 --> 01:13:36,633
♪ ♪
1407
01:13:36,667 --> 01:13:40,100
He actually gets sentenced
to life in prison
1408
01:13:40,133 --> 01:13:42,133
in 1974,
1409
01:13:42,166 --> 01:13:43,533
and he actually
gets out of prison.
1410
01:13:43,567 --> 01:13:46,633
- And gets paroled when?
- 1981.
1411
01:13:52,533 --> 01:13:56,133
Up where Kathy was murdered,
24 years ago,
1412
01:13:56,166 --> 01:13:57,767
there's ropes everywhere.
1413
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,166
There's ropes
binding the tarps,
1414
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,533
possibly could have been
a strangulation of her as well.
1415
01:14:03,567 --> 01:14:06,200
And from our research,
we also found there are
1416
01:14:06,233 --> 01:14:09,266
some interesting things
about the physical aspects
1417
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:12,533
of Brian that match
things at the scene.
1418
01:14:12,567 --> 01:14:16,300
Brian's information shows
he's 6-foot, 150 pounds.
1419
01:14:16,333 --> 01:14:20,066
The pants found at the scene
are size 34/34.
1420
01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:22,233
That's consistent.
1421
01:14:22,266 --> 01:14:24,667
The shirt from the bag
1422
01:14:24,700 --> 01:14:28,133
and the one he's wearing
appear to be identical.
1423
01:14:28,166 --> 01:14:30,066
He's got brown hair.
1424
01:14:30,100 --> 01:14:34,567
- Same color of hair that was
found near Kathy's body,
1425
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,567
believed to belong
to the killer.
1426
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:43,200
But it's what Brian doesn't do
that sparks our curiosity.
1427
01:14:43,233 --> 01:14:45,567
- No one reports her missing.
1428
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,367
They don't appear
to have gotten divorced.
1429
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,133
She was never declared
deceased by anyone.
1430
01:14:52,166 --> 01:14:55,367
To me, all of those line up
with someone
1431
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,767
who doesn't want anyone looking
into Kathy's background.
1432
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,000
That's huge red flags.
1433
01:15:01,033 --> 01:15:03,400
- So obviously,
Brian's a person of interest.
1434
01:15:03,433 --> 01:15:06,200
Do you know where he's at?
1435
01:15:06,667 --> 01:15:10,033
After Brian left Salem area,
moved to Portland...
1436
01:15:10,066 --> 01:15:12,166
And it kind of looks like
he bought a piece of property
1437
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:13,600
from his parents.
1438
01:15:13,633 --> 01:15:19,000
I found a deed that shows he
purchased a house in 2008
1439
01:15:19,734 --> 01:15:24,667
But there was a woman on
the deed with him named Tina.
1440
01:15:24,700 --> 01:15:28,367
Not Kathy's eldest daughter,
but the same name.
1441
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,233
And the deed listed them
as husband and wife.
1442
01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:35,600
- How do you get married
1443
01:15:35,633 --> 01:15:38,767
when you maybe
aren't even divorced yet?
1444
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,133
What do we know
about Brian today?
1445
01:15:41,166 --> 01:15:45,100
- In 2010, Brian and Tina moved
to New Hampshire together.
1446
01:15:47,033 --> 01:15:50,100
and then he appears to move,
of all places, to Oklahoma.
1447
01:15:50,133 --> 01:15:53,100
Through a criminal
records search,
1448
01:15:53,133 --> 01:15:56,033
I was able to find
that booking photo
1449
01:15:56,066 --> 01:15:58,000
from Oklahoma in 2016.
1450
01:16:01,100 --> 01:16:04,400
For a driving infraction.
1451
01:16:04,433 --> 01:16:07,333
- Okay, so traffic infraction,
violation.
1452
01:16:07,367 --> 01:16:10,166
- But at this point, I'm not
exactly sure where he's living.
1453
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,066
We're trying to find that.
1454
01:16:14,433 --> 01:16:17,367
Kathy was murdered
24 years ago.
1455
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:21,000
Right now, our primary focus
is on the last person
1456
01:16:21,033 --> 01:16:23,667
Kathy was married to,
Brian Clifton.
1457
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:26,667
[suspenseful music]
1458
01:16:26,700 --> 01:16:33,667
♪ ♪
1459
01:16:35,433 --> 01:16:38,500
24 years after we found
his wife Kathy dead
1460
01:16:38,533 --> 01:16:42,266
on a hill in Oregon.
1461
01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:44,166
My team wants
to approach him,
1462
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,200
but we also don't want
to blow our one shot
1463
01:16:46,233 --> 01:16:48,333
and risk having him flee
1464
01:16:48,367 --> 01:16:51,233
before we have
confirmed evidence.
1465
01:16:51,266 --> 01:16:53,133
What we need now
is Brian's DNA
1466
01:16:53,166 --> 01:16:55,367
and see if it matches
any of the DNA from the scene.
1467
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,400
We've got the semen stain,
we've got hair.
1468
01:16:57,433 --> 01:17:00,133
If his DNA matches
what's at the scene,
1469
01:17:00,166 --> 01:17:02,266
he automatically becomes
our prime suspect.
1470
01:17:02,300 --> 01:17:07,166
♪ ♪
1471
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,200
[light dramatic music]
1472
01:17:19,233 --> 01:17:21,100
♪ ♪
1473
01:17:24,433 --> 01:17:26,767
[light dramatic music]
1474
01:17:27,333 --> 01:17:27,734
♪ ♪
1475
01:17:28,333 --> 01:17:30,567
[tense music]
1476
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,233
♪ ♪
1477
01:17:32,266 --> 01:17:34,333
- Kathy had a hard life.
1478
01:17:34,367 --> 01:17:37,433
Looking for love, Kathy
went through a series of men
1479
01:17:37,467 --> 01:17:40,200
that didn't care about her.
1480
01:17:40,233 --> 01:17:42,433
Her last husband didn't even
bother to report her missing
1481
01:17:42,467 --> 01:17:45,166
when she disappeared.
1482
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,500
And just a few months later,
her remains were found.
1483
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,266
- While searching for Brian,
1484
01:17:53,300 --> 01:17:55,333
I found his sister Brenda
in Wisconsin,
1485
01:17:55,367 --> 01:17:57,300
and I reached out to her
1486
01:17:57,333 --> 01:17:58,400
to see if she'd be
willing to help.
1487
01:17:58,433 --> 01:18:04,033
[line ringing]
1488
01:18:04,066 --> 01:18:06,333
- Hi, is this Brenda?
1489
01:18:06,367 --> 01:18:08,767
- Hi, Brenda, this is
Detective John Williams.
1490
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,266
I'm calling from the Polk
County Sheriff's Office
1491
01:18:11,300 --> 01:18:12,300
in Oregon.
1492
01:18:12,333 --> 01:18:14,367
Is a good time for you?
1493
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,266
- Okay, so I have
a case where I have
1494
01:18:17,300 --> 01:18:19,500
a missing person,
who's Kathy,
1495
01:18:19,533 --> 01:18:22,200
was married to Brian
at one point.
1496
01:18:24,467 --> 01:18:27,300
- Do you recall
whatever happened
1497
01:18:27,333 --> 01:18:30,533
to Brian and Kathy's marriage,
how it ended or any of that?
1498
01:18:37,333 --> 01:18:39,600
- Why do you doubt
that they got divorced?
1499
01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:45,000
- So he would've illegally
married another woman?
1500
01:18:46,633 --> 01:18:48,200
- Okay.
1501
01:18:49,367 --> 01:18:50,600
So you don't talk to Brian.
You don't know where he's at?
1502
01:18:57,033 --> 01:18:59,033
- Yeah.
1503
01:18:59,066 --> 01:19:00,200
- I got you.
1504
01:19:00,233 --> 01:19:02,500
Well, and that's
what I'm showing too.
1505
01:19:05,467 --> 01:19:08,066
- Let me give you
some details.
1506
01:19:08,100 --> 01:19:10,533
So in 1996,
1507
01:19:10,567 --> 01:19:14,567
hunters found skeletonized
remains of a female.
1508
01:19:23,266 --> 01:19:26,600
- We do have the DNA
found at the scene
1509
01:19:26,633 --> 01:19:29,133
on some men's clothing
that was left behind.
1510
01:19:29,166 --> 01:19:31,300
I would think
has to be related
1511
01:19:31,333 --> 01:19:34,500
to whoever
put the body there.
1512
01:19:34,533 --> 01:19:38,200
- So we have a couple
of things we might try,
1513
01:19:38,233 --> 01:19:43,667
and one is if we can get DNA
from a relative
1514
01:19:43,700 --> 01:19:47,433
to get the best, you know, say,
oh, yeah, that's a sister--
1515
01:19:49,367 --> 01:19:51,533
- Would you be willing
if we sent you a DNA kit
1516
01:19:51,567 --> 01:19:55,300
to just swab your cheek
and mail it back?
1517
01:19:55,333 --> 01:19:57,600
- Oh, that's awesome.
1518
01:19:57,633 --> 01:20:00,533
- Okay.
1519
01:20:00,567 --> 01:20:02,567
To see what it matches
at the scene,
1520
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,567
that's gonna be
super critical.
1521
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,333
This would be an amazing boost
to this case.
1522
01:20:07,367 --> 01:20:10,333
[tense music]
1523
01:20:10,367 --> 01:20:17,200
♪ ♪
1524
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:31,133
- Now that we know Brian's
sister is a sibling match
1525
01:20:31,166 --> 01:20:33,333
to the DNA found
at the crime scene,
1526
01:20:33,367 --> 01:20:35,333
I could finally
tell her family
1527
01:20:35,367 --> 01:20:38,367
and give them some closure.
1528
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:43,600
I'm going to see Kathy's
daughters, Tina and Candice,
1529
01:20:43,633 --> 01:20:45,600
and Kathy's sister, Linda.
1530
01:20:45,633 --> 01:20:48,166
Never met each other
before all of this,
1531
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,600
so I think it's great that they
all get to know each other,
1532
01:20:51,633 --> 01:20:54,333
and that they do
have family left.
1533
01:20:54,367 --> 01:20:56,633
Something they've always
wanted, and they have it.
1534
01:21:09,533 --> 01:21:12,600
Well, how are my most
three favorite women doing?
1535
01:21:12,633 --> 01:21:14,166
- Hello!
- Hello!
1536
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,633
- Look at you,
pretty woman.
1537
01:21:16,667 --> 01:21:18,767
- How are things going getting
to know each other?
1538
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,500
- With us, it's good.
- Oh, it's just--
1539
01:21:20,533 --> 01:21:23,333
- Is there something
that's not?
1540
01:21:23,367 --> 01:21:24,633
- It is what
it's supposed to be.
1541
01:21:24,667 --> 01:21:26,166
- I know.
1542
01:21:27,166 --> 01:21:28,266
- Well, I just wanted you
to know there were three
1543
01:21:29,734 --> 01:21:32,500
really important things for me
to do in this case if I could.
1544
01:21:32,533 --> 01:21:35,333
One of them
was to identify her.
1545
01:21:35,367 --> 01:21:36,467
Give her her name back.
1546
01:21:36,500 --> 01:21:40,367
Which would then
open up roads, second,
1547
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,300
to hopefully help
the investigation.
1548
01:21:43,333 --> 01:21:45,433
You know, once you know
about her life,
1549
01:21:45,467 --> 01:21:47,300
once we found out
about all of you guys,
1550
01:21:47,333 --> 01:21:50,233
I mean, that all came about
because of her identity.
1551
01:21:50,266 --> 01:21:54,500
So many roads have been open,
learned a lot.
1552
01:21:54,533 --> 01:21:57,367
And then the third
most important thing to me,
1553
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,467
so hold on one second.
1554
01:21:59,500 --> 01:22:00,667
- Is she going to do
something sneaky?
1555
01:22:00,700 --> 01:22:01,667
- I don't know.
1556
01:22:01,700 --> 01:22:05,166
[gentle music]
1557
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,533
♪ ♪
1558
01:22:07,567 --> 01:22:09,633
- Oh, my--oh!
1559
01:22:09,667 --> 01:22:11,533
- Third most important thing.
1560
01:22:11,567 --> 01:22:13,400
- Oh, my god!
1561
01:22:13,433 --> 01:22:16,533
- Is to bring her home,
where she belongs.
1562
01:22:16,567 --> 01:22:19,266
♪ ♪
1563
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:22,300
From the bottom
of all of our hearts.
1564
01:22:24,233 --> 01:22:26,266
- It's okay, baby girl.
1565
01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:32,166
♪ ♪
1566
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,166
- [sobbing]
1567
01:22:37,433 --> 01:22:41,467
- We really got close.
These are my girls.
1568
01:22:41,500 --> 01:22:44,300
- You're family.
- That's so beautiful.
1569
01:22:44,333 --> 01:22:46,233
- It is.
- Thank you.
1570
01:22:46,266 --> 01:22:47,667
- I love it.
1571
01:22:47,700 --> 01:22:50,734
It was right then that my heart
went up in my throat,
1572
01:22:50,767 --> 01:22:55,533
and it was like
I couldn't say nothing.
1573
01:22:55,567 --> 01:22:58,567
Because I knew what it was.
1574
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,567
Knowing that she is home,
where she belongs,
1575
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,433
it was beautiful.
1576
01:23:05,667 --> 01:23:08,400
This is your mama.
1577
01:23:08,433 --> 01:23:12,300
It is so beautiful.
I mean, look at that.
1578
01:23:12,333 --> 01:23:16,567
- I think everything just
really hit home even harder.
1579
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:17,767
The fact that I, you know,
1580
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,667
knowing for 23 years
1581
01:23:21,700 --> 01:23:24,400
that she couldn't--
she couldn't reach out,
1582
01:23:24,433 --> 01:23:25,734
she couldn't check on us,
1583
01:23:25,767 --> 01:23:28,033
you know, that
something had happened...
1584
01:23:32,734 --> 01:23:36,266
it actually made me
start to heal a little bit.
1585
01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:38,734
- She needs to come home, okay?
- Yeah, yeah.
1586
01:23:38,767 --> 01:23:42,433
- To be able to actually
put her fully at rest,
1587
01:23:42,467 --> 01:23:44,633
we've talked
about that so much.
1588
01:23:44,667 --> 01:23:50,433
And what Yolanda has done
is so heartfelt that we can--
1589
01:23:50,467 --> 01:23:51,734
I don't know that
we'll ever be able
1590
01:23:51,767 --> 01:23:53,700
to really thank her enough.
1591
01:23:53,734 --> 01:23:54,767
- There's a lot of great,
1592
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,667
great things
that came out of this.
1593
01:23:56,700 --> 01:23:58,567
- We're thankful for that,
and what you've done,
1594
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,734
'cause you brought this
wonderful woman into our life.
1595
01:24:01,767 --> 01:24:03,600
Thank you, Yolanda.
Thank you so much.
1596
01:24:03,633 --> 01:24:06,333
- Wasn't for you guys,
I wouldn't have my baby girls.
1597
01:24:06,367 --> 01:24:08,500
- Well, you're family.
1598
01:24:08,533 --> 01:24:13,467
- I'm just grateful to
Detective Williams, Yolanda,
1599
01:24:13,500 --> 01:24:17,000
'cause I know my two nieces
in my life right now.
1600
01:24:17,033 --> 01:24:19,333
And we talk every day.
1601
01:24:19,367 --> 01:24:21,633
We have got so close,
1602
01:24:21,667 --> 01:24:26,000
and I'll give them the love
that they need from my sister.
1603
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,734
Think her girls
are my girls now.
1604
01:24:30,767 --> 01:24:32,367
They're still her babies,
1605
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:37,266
but I'm giving them
and they're giving me back.
1606
01:24:40,367 --> 01:24:43,533
- My mother's case, it's
not just another Jane Doe.
1607
01:24:43,567 --> 01:24:46,600
She's a person with a story.
1608
01:24:46,633 --> 01:24:50,033
She had family
that cared about her.
1609
01:24:50,066 --> 01:24:53,500
I would have liked for her
to have--see me now.
1610
01:24:58,467 --> 01:25:01,000
I think she
would've been proud.
1611
01:25:06,467 --> 01:25:09,533
[gentle music]
1612
01:25:09,567 --> 01:25:14,500
♪ ♪
1613
01:25:14,533 --> 01:25:18,000
- A year has passed since
I started this investigation.
1614
01:25:18,033 --> 01:25:22,533
My mission was always
to identify our Jane Doe,
1615
01:25:22,567 --> 01:25:25,734
to give her back to her family,
and give her back her name.
1616
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,700
And I've done that
with Kathy's case.
1617
01:25:28,734 --> 01:25:31,033
- It's been a lot of hard work.
- Yeah.
1618
01:25:31,066 --> 01:25:34,700
- A lot of phone calls,
a lot of going down dead ends.
1619
01:25:34,734 --> 01:25:36,667
The adoptions threw us
for a loop--
1620
01:25:36,700 --> 01:25:38,033
- Yes.
1621
01:25:38,066 --> 01:25:40,100
- But we persevered,
we kept going.
1622
01:25:40,133 --> 01:25:44,033
I was totally clueless
to how, you know,
1623
01:25:44,066 --> 01:25:46,100
third cousins and genealogy
and all that work,
1624
01:25:46,133 --> 01:25:49,633
but I knew we had Yolanda's
team behind us.
1625
01:25:49,667 --> 01:25:51,600
It was a slow process
for a while
1626
01:25:51,633 --> 01:25:53,367
and then it started
building steam
1627
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:55,433
until kind of everything
came together
1628
01:25:55,467 --> 01:25:58,734
and we finally
identified Kathy.
1629
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,400
- Kathy got her name back.
1630
01:26:04,433 --> 01:26:06,433
Her identity back.
1631
01:26:06,467 --> 01:26:08,200
Nobody should die
without it.
1632
01:26:08,233 --> 01:26:10,633
Her family thought
she walked away,
1633
01:26:10,667 --> 01:26:12,133
maybe didn't want anything
to do with them,
1634
01:26:12,166 --> 01:26:14,033
I don't believe that.
1635
01:26:14,066 --> 01:26:17,133
But unfortunately, she didn't
have any more choices
1636
01:26:17,166 --> 01:26:19,667
after that of what she would've
wanted to do with her life.
1637
01:26:19,700 --> 01:26:24,166
She's been so wronged
in so many ways.
1638
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:28,033
I just hope now that her
family can start to heal.
1639
01:26:29,567 --> 01:26:32,166
You and I said
we would figure it out.
1640
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:34,133
We said we'd take her home.
1641
01:26:34,166 --> 01:26:36,166
And that we would pursue
any roads
1642
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,734
that opened up
to find out who killed her.
1643
01:26:38,767 --> 01:26:40,567
- And that continues.
1644
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,066
- Obviously the truth is
ultimately what we're after.
1645
01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:45,500
- Right.
1646
01:26:48,166 --> 01:26:52,100
- The case is now in
the investigators' hands.
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