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- [Man] Lucky.
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I would say when someone says the word
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cult film, I think, lucky.
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You may experience some fortune
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when you make a tent pole
picture and it is successful,
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but it's expected because
the numbers tell you so.
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- [Man] I like to think of it like a movie
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that everybody else missed.
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You're always hoping that it's
gonna reach as many people
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as possible, but for
one reason or another,
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a lotta times these movies
kinda go under the radar,
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but then over time, people just,
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like every good movie finds a way.
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- [Man] It could be any type of film.
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I don't necessarily think
of sci-fi, or horror.
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It could be comedy, it could be romance,
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it could be a musical, it
could be any type of film.
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But one that has found a
following over a period of time.
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- [Woman] It's film for people
on the fringes of society.
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I think it's film for people
who don't see themselves in,
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you know, the Marvel
movies, or who don't see
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themselves in, uh,
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the Hunger Games or Harry Potter.
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- [Man] It could be good, it could be bad.
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If you loved it, and a
whole other group of people
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loved it, they all kinda
just joined together
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and people just loved that movie.
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- [Man] The first thing I think of is like
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the Island of Misfit Toys.
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- [Man] Anything with that
disreputable lack of gloss.
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- [Man] People really on
fire, real explosions.
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- [Man] Most people can
say that they like Jaws.
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Most people aren't gonna
tell you that they like
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The Sentinel or Ten to Midnight.
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- [Man] Normal people don't
wanna see it (laughs).
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- Cult movies, highly offensive.
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(upbeat dramatic music)
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(static)
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- Hollywood movies can
get very cookie cutter.
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And the cult movies,
the exploitation movies,
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the ones that didn't have
the same kind of financial
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investment, those are the ones
that can really surprise you.
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- I think we've had cult
films since the beginning,
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and we've had lots of weird
films since the beginning.
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I mean, Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
is fucking freaky as hell.
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(speaking foreign language)
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- There were cult films in the '50s,
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in the '40s, in the '30s, I mean.
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But the '79s, there was something
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in the ether called competition.
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There was something in the ether
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where the playing field
was slightly sloped
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to help the big, devil-worshiping
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independent media conglomerates.
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But we had a chance, we had a chance.
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If we had something that was entertaining,
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we could get it in to
1,000 movie theaters,
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or 2,000 screens, we could do it, easy.
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- There were always
independent filmmakers,
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since the beginning of cinema.
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But, this was the first
time massive numbers
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of filmmakers could make their own movies,
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and try to get them distributed, made,
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financed, cast, written themselves.
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They could do it all at once.
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It was the first time
filmmakers had the ability
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to make movies on their own,
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full-length features,
without the help of the major
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studios, in great numbers.
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The studios were breaking down, and
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they were dismantled by
the government, number one,
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which hurt them, but
two, the studio bosses
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like Jack Warner no longer
knew, as Warner had 30,
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40, 50 years ago, what
peopled really wanted to see.
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- The big studio blockbusters
like Cleopatra and stuff
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had pretty much run
their course, and you had
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movies like Easy Rider
and that coming out.
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And so you had studios
and film backers backing
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these smaller independent films.
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- That collided head on
with the counterculture,
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and specifically a
counterculture that in 1968,
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'69, into the '70s was kinda turning
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and the people that were
still in it, I think,
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when you're looking at
history, were having
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a lot of negative things
going on in their world.
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They were getting into drugs,
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and harder drugs, and
the political momentum
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that they had all staked
a lot of their lives on
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had failed in a lot of ways.
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- Their heads were very
much in this sort of space
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of paranoia and the sort of like collapse
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of what, what the sort of picturesque,
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like Norman Rockwell-esque life had been
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the decade prior to that.
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- And so you saw a lot of
these people turn to film
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as a way to channel
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that frustration and that anger.
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- From a filmmaker's
standpoint, it becomes
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an economic consideration.
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We have to go balls to the wall,
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because otherwise we can't compete.
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So you have these filmmakers from that era
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trying to make movies
that are gonna stand out
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because they can't
stand out in other ways.
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- Because studios weren't as restricting,
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you get really interesting
stuff coming out,
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like Werewolves on Wheels.
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- [Announcer] Werewolves on Wheels,
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the most eerie, the most
chilling, the most terrifying
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motorcycle horror film ever made.
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(yelling)
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- I think this is dealing
with cult films starting
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in the '70s, but remember,
the people that saw
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the films in the '50s
and '60s were the ones
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that made the films in the '70s.
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So it's a lotta those films that were made
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at those times that became
the cult films later.
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- I started making my first
films in the early 1970s,
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and a couple of them have
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been talked about as cult films,
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but certainly when I was
making them I had no intention
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whatever that I was making a cult film.
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I was always trying to
make a film that would be
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successful enough that I
could make another film.
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- I think a lot of producers didn't really
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know what they were
making, and the filmmakers
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got off and did what they want.
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- And just by the sheer law of averages,
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as there are more pictures,
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there's gonna be more great
movies, and a lot more shit.
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- [Announcer] Her
friends called him Honky.
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(laughing)
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- [Announcer] Delinquent School Girls.
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- [Announcer] Keep
running till you find out
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what kind of Black Girl you really are.
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- [Announcer] Teenage Mother
means nine months of trouble.
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- If you had something interesting,
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the theaters would play
it, because the theaters
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weren't owned and controlled
by two or three giant chains.
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- There are these great
huge movie theaters
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that are around since the
Depression, and people came in
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and started playing, you
know, that's where you'd see
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the black exploitation, the biker films.
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And films like that,
and it's also this place
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where you pay an admission,
and they never gave a fuck
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how long you were there for.
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You got to stay there as long as you want.
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- He made me do it.
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- Bitch, are you for real?
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- But the interesting
thing is a lot of people
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would actually like sleep there.
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There's a movie called
Shakedown with Peter Weller
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and Sam Elliott, and if
you watch the opening
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of that film, Sam Elliott is
living in a Grindhouse theater.
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He's watching the Soldier,
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and then he wakes up, he
goes into the bathroom
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and he's got his toothbrush
there inside a fuse box.
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And I think that's the
closest thing you could see
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to a Grindhouse in a way.
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- I remember 42nd Street when it was still
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the 42nd Street of Grindhouse and
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bad B movies, mostly
42nd Street I remember
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as the worst kind of porn
advertising I've ever seen.
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- That area had also
been known for debauchery
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and for lewdness and
for looser moralities,
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and that's why it was able to
flourish there so intensely.
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We see stuff like in Taxi
Driver when he takes her
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on a date down to those
theaters to watch a porno,
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we see that was the area where people who
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didn't wanna go see Cary
Grant in another movie
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would go to catch their films.
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We saw that was where people went
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to see something different.
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- The main way these early
cult films became classics
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was midnight screenings.
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It was theater owners going,
no one's coming to see
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a movie at midnight, how can we market
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like these strange films?
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I think El Topo is kind of
designated as the first one
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that became a success
in midnight screening.
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Eraserhead is another one.
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Pink Flamingos.
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- Night of the Living Dead was,
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it played midnight I
think throughout the '70s.
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Like it was always around.
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Even when I was a kid,
Night of the Living Dead
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was always talked about.
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Even after Dawn of the Dead,
Night of the Living Dead
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just was always there,
and people going to see it
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every single night it played.
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People started like doing
drugs and just bringing
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their friends to show
them, and then they needed
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to bring more friends to
show them these films.
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- The smoke smelled funky in those rooms.
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- It's nothing dangerous.
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You would like it.
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It's very relaxing, you know.
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- You could smell a cloud of that stuff,
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and there'd always be the sound of a
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ting ta ting ta ting ding ding ding,
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which would be the rolling beer bottle
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down the aisle of the movie theater.
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Most cult films were enjoyed
in kind of an altered state,
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which I think is,
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which I think makes a lotta sense.
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- Over time, these films
wouldn't play in, you know,
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in the classic theaters, but,
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when they played in
these midnight circuits,
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it just started attracting
this weird crowd
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of people and word of mouth.
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- I think it's like, it's
definitely a legendary era
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of film, and like so many of
the things are looked upon
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as cult classics like came through that.
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- I think the reason
that the '70s are known
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as the birth of cult cinema is that's,
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those movies have endured.
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Movies from that period
that became cult films,
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we're still talking about them.
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They still have left an indelible mark.
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They still have like a huge impact.
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And it's part of cult film history.
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- Everybody was allowed to
make the movie they wanted.
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And for better or worse,
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that I think helped launch
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all of the great movies
that we had in the '80s.
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- There's only master,
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and his name is Satan.
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(upbeat dramatic music)
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- We're talking ghost town.
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- Are you planning on going with someone?
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Would you like to go with me?
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(upbeat dramatic music)
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- Police business, like to
have a few words with you.
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(upbeat dramatic music)
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- [Man] Jump, jump.
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- Zombies, exploding heads,
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creepy crawlies.
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We could have a little problem.
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- That's what I love about cult cinema is,
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there's so many subgenres, in the same way
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that horror has subgenres.
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For me, a big deal to me was when I went
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to Kim's Underground in New
York City for the first time,
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which, Rip, used to be
on St. Mark's Place,
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I think it's a Target now, which figures.
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But I used to go there all the time,
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and it was the first
video store, it was music,
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videos for buy and videos for rent,
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and it was the first
video store where things
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were separated into
nunsploitation or Italian Giallo,
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or Polizia Teche, like
all these weird subgenres,
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and I'm like what the
hell is nunsploitation?
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- And what form does this incubus take.
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- Cock (laughs).
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- [Rob] Slasher films, you know.
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Blacksploitation,
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Kung Fu films, oh man.
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- [Announcer] Honor.
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Disgrace.
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Vengeance.
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- Rape revenge, women who
kill, that was my favorite.
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I do like women in prison movies,
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because you know, they have to turn into
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lesbians every time.
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- [Announcer] New rules.
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And new inmates
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are meant to be broken.
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- Praising a virgin?
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Well, after the shock rubs off,
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you'll get the picture.
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- There's cult, and then at the very end
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there's that little rack that's smut.
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And there's a very thin
line between smut and cult,
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let me tell you.
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- Cult films in general,
I think that's when
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the line started getting blurred because,
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you had a cult section
and you'd find the same
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cult movies on that shelf, Eraserhead
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and Repo Man and like all
the classics, but then
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it just became this shelf where
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the video store owner or the employees,
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whatever was a weird movie
that you couldn't place
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on the shelf, they'd just fucking throw
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on that cult movie shelf.
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So all of a sudden, if a movie
was just weird and strange,
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even though if it wasn't a cult film,
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it would just automatically
go that shelf for some reason.
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- Video stores changed everything.
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Video stores changed everything.
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When they became prominent in the '80s,
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something you went to as
frequently as the grocery store,
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video store were everything.
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- When you went to the
movies it was an event,
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but you could go to the
video store two, three times
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a week, but
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I would say, early '80s, mid-'80s for me,
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so a lot of the movies that
I've seen, I'd say about 70%
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of the movies I saw during
my childhood came from VHS.
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It probably has as much as an
impact on how I view movies
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now as any other intake that I've used.
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- You could see all the art
stacked up against each other.
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It just becomes this beautiful collage
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of blacks and reds
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and deep, vivid colors that
are offset from each other.
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It's just like, oh my God.
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And that's how we used to pick out movies.
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I would not read the back of the box.
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I would just go from the cover art.
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- It was like this tangible thing, right.
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It could be copied, it could be shared.
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It introduced cover art to the masses,
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you know what I mean?
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I'm sure like people love
to talk about the way that
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cover art really sucked
them in in a video store.
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I think everybody's got,
everybody who's into this kind
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of thing has that one movie
that sat on the shelves
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kind of just luring them in for years.
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Maybe they didn't rent it.
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Like I know a lotta
people who just had those,
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oh, I never watched it,
but I would there and
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stare at the cover art forever.
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- Ghoulies, like I think
remembers the little gremlin guy
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popping outta the toilet.
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- Or like the remake of the Blob.
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That always is the cool
one, where it has the guy
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like reaching out, and he's like
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back there and it's just gnarly.
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That movie's just, I
still love that movie.
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- The Driller Killer video cover.
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The porno box edition version.
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- I really love the box art
for The Hunger, actually,
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the original one, like
the double size box,
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where you open it up and it
has like the padding around it,
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because the VHS, can't hit the ground
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or it'll smash into a million pieces.
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- Vasectomy the Movie, a Delicate Matter.
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Now Vasectomy, the Movie, which is,
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what is this?
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- I think the cover of Gator Bait
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got me to go through puberty.
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- Deathstalker was one.
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Because I remember
renting it and watching it
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and just being totally
like, what the fuck?
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Where are those two
gargoyles with the mace
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on the front cover, where was that battle?
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It was gone.
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Same thing with like
Warrior of the Lost World.
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Has like the sickest fucking VHS cover,
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with a guy on a motorcycle
shooting missiles.
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And then when you rent it,
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it was just so low-rent
and so disappointing.
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I think that was the time of just seeing
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this amazing artwork and renting it
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and just being like, what is this?
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- Anything that even sounded
marginally interesting,
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you just grab it, you know what I mean?
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This has a monster, this
has a half-naked girl,
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I'll just take this,
and it doesn't matter.
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Even if I don't watch
it, it cost me a dollar.
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- So because cult films
don't make huge profit
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at the box office, VHS tend to be where
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they make their money back.
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I think that's the obvious
benefit for filmmakers,
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that and of course getting
their films seen more
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than they could have been,
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I mean I still watch films on VHS.
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I still watch a lot of cult films on VHS,
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and it's obviously beneficial in that way
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to the filmmakers.
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I think for film viewers,
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it gave them another opportunity
to connect with these.
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- Having direct-to-video be a thing,
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having direct-to-video
be a profitable path
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for certain types of movies led to
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explosions of independent
films, horror films,
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and even cult films finding a life.
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Right? I mean, like, you know,
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I could finally see Eraserhead
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at a time other than midnight.
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We've moved through all
these platforms, right?
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There's cable, there's
VHS, there's laser disc.
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- Is all this exciting
programming available now?
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(computer beeping)
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Really?
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Super concerts by top entertainers.
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Blockbuster films, both
current and vintage.
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Cooking lessons, documentaries,
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how to do at tennis,
golf, swimming and crafts.
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Cartoons, the arts, NFL
football, interactive discs.
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All of them and more.
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And far less expensive than
pre-recorded videotape.
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- Laser disc was awesome.
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It was killer back in the day, but it was,
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I mean it's like collecting vinyl,
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the things were massive,
the laser discs were huge.
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And I had the Pioneer
player that had the A-B.
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Like you had to flip the laser disc,
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because it couldn't hold all the content.
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But I had the one that
you could actually like,
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it would stop for a second,
and you would hear a noise
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and it would flip the
laser to the other side,
402
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I guess, I don't know how it
worked, that's what it was.
403
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- I knew a guy who bought,
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I think he bought almost
$25,000 worth of laser discs,
405
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because remember they were
a hundred bucks apiece.
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250 discs, that's not that much.
407
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Now, it's nothing.
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But then that was like a lotta money.
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And then like, whatever,
three years later,
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he couldn't play any of them.
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- Another bright idea, from Magnavox.
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- There was another thing
that also really helped
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with, get people to see
cult films at the time,
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which was also the advent
of cable television.
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Because when cable
television first started,
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USA Network didn't have 80
hours of Burn Notice to play.
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They were just like, let's
get the Troma catalog
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and show Toxic Avenger.
419
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- [Announcer] The first superhero
born out of nuclear waste.
420
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- You suddenly had all
these avenues for content
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in need of content, and cheap content.
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And so movies that didn't do well,
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that were essentially cult became
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almost mainstays in home entertainment.
425
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Nobody would have saw The
Thing if it wasn't for HBO.
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If HBO didn't get Big Trouble
in Little China for cheap,
427
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nobody would have seen it,
because it just came and went
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in the theaters, nobody remembers it.
429
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Nobody would have remembered it.
430
00:21:01,770 --> 00:21:03,710
- They would show that at 12, two,
431
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like you would see,
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The Creature, I mean some
off-the-wall knockoff
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of an alien movie, and they
would show that on Showtime
434
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because they would have filler.
435
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It would basically be filler TV.
436
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They made their money during prime time,
437
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during the afternoons and
boxing and everything else,
438
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so, yeah, there's a lotta
the off-shoot movies
439
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that probably would have never seen
440
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if it hadn't been for
24-hour cable networks
441
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like Showtime and HBO,
and Cinemax and on and on.
442
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- It was Beastmaster,
Dragonslayer and Ice Pirates.
443
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They were always on, and
because they were always on,
444
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in my mind, those were huge movies.
445
00:21:43,390 --> 00:21:46,450
Those were like Star
Wars big, like everyone,
446
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everyone is seeing these movies.
447
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,040
I mean, there was that
running joke with HBO,
448
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,465
that it was Hey, Beastmasters On,
449
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because they played it so much.
450
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- [Announcer] Friday, travel
back in time to the age
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of darkness, to a land of mystical heroes
452
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and murderous villains,
where one warrior leads
453
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the creatures of the wild in a battle
454
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against the forces of evil.
455
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The Beastmaster.
456
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- And that's the thing.
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Like, today, a movie like
Teen Witch is a cult film,
458
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it's because it was on every fucking day,
459
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and there was not many
channels, and so you were forced
460
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to watch fucking Teen Witch every day.
461
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And you're watching it
because you also know
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that horrible rap scene is coming up.
463
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(rap music)
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♪ I'm king, and they know it ♪
465
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♪ When I snap my fingers,
everybody says show it ♪
466
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♪ I'm hot, and you're not ♪
467
00:22:35,041 --> 00:22:37,720
♪ But if you want to hang with
me, I'll give it one shot ♪
468
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♪ Top that ♪
469
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You know, it's like, I didn't
wanna watch BMX Bandits
470
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50 fucking times in my
life, but I had no choice
471
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because it was always fucking on cable.
472
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,050
- You'd look in the TV Guide or whatever,
473
00:22:47,050 --> 00:22:48,550
and you'd find out when
things were playing,
474
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and then you'd watch it, or
you'd just randomly put it on,
475
00:22:50,681 --> 00:22:52,970
flip through and look for something crazy.
476
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And then you'd find
like the last 10 minutes
477
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of a movie, and you'd watch,
478
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and then it was like the best movie ever.
479
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And then you go back and
watch the first 80 minutes,
480
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,500
and it sucked, you know.
481
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- Oh, it was awesome
because, after 11 o'clock,
482
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it was a torrent of trash.
483
00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:11,970
Like that's where I saw
the Sword and the Sorceress
484
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and the movies with the
Barbarian twins in it.
485
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And even, like the knockoff
Sergio Leone movies,
486
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Cinemax just, you know,
they would just play it
487
00:23:24,797 --> 00:23:27,320
and maybe they'd throw a
Friday the 13th movie in there,
488
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,260
but it seemed so weak sauce
after you just saw a guy
489
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with a tomahawk run another guy down,
490
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or a bunch of cowboys take another cowboy
491
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and gouge his eyes out in a cave.
492
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- I remember one memory was
Heavy Metal, the cartoon.
493
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And I remember as a young
kid, and my parents were like,
494
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we're going to see your
aunt, and they took off.
495
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And I was like at home with
a babysitter who definitely
496
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wasn't paying attention
to me or my sister,
497
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,210
so I'd turn HBO on, and sure enough,
498
00:23:51,210 --> 00:23:53,540
oh look, a cartoon's on,
I gotta check this out.
499
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And the first thing I
see is the Locknar come
500
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:58,200
and melt this guy, and I'm just like,
501
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,033
what is this thing?
502
00:23:59,033 --> 00:24:00,990
It was like the scariest thing,
503
00:24:00,990 --> 00:24:02,690
but I couldn't stop watching that.
504
00:24:03,923 --> 00:24:06,840
(mysterious music)
505
00:24:07,738 --> 00:24:10,000
(upbeat music)
506
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,490
- Showtime, in particular,
used to have a segment
507
00:24:12,490 --> 00:24:14,950
called After Hours, where
they would only show
508
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:17,450
certain movies past 10 o'clock at night.
509
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:20,510
And they were usually very
risque, whether they were sexy,
510
00:24:20,510 --> 00:24:21,900
whether they were gory.
511
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:25,420
I can't tell you how many
movies I saw personally,
512
00:24:25,420 --> 00:24:27,130
watching that channel.
513
00:24:27,130 --> 00:24:28,710
I remember watching Gates of Hell.
514
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:30,610
They would only show that past midnight,
515
00:24:30,610 --> 00:24:33,630
and it was the most disgusting
516
00:24:33,630 --> 00:24:36,770
thing I'd ever seen, I couldn't
believe that I was watching.
517
00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:38,840
Of course, flash forward years later,
518
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,420
people loved the movie, it's Lucio Fulci,
519
00:24:41,420 --> 00:24:44,507
he has a whole arsenal of
movies that are cult films,
520
00:24:44,507 --> 00:24:46,850
including Zombie and
The Beyond or whatever.
521
00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:50,763
- I think I was like 13 or 14,
522
00:24:52,213 --> 00:24:55,880
growing up in Japan,
and Lucio Fulci's Zombie
523
00:24:57,530 --> 00:24:59,993
was actually on TV late at night.
524
00:25:00,970 --> 00:25:03,960
Granted, it was late at night,
like two a.m. or something,
525
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,910
but I recorded it, and of
course that naked girl sequence
526
00:25:07,910 --> 00:25:10,693
with the shark is there, not edited.
527
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,913
I mean, you know, a 13-year-old boy,
528
00:25:14,828 --> 00:25:16,450
I was like, wow, what is this shit?
529
00:25:16,450 --> 00:25:18,233
You know, I got really excited,
530
00:25:19,258 --> 00:25:20,380
and I think that really turned me
531
00:25:20,380 --> 00:25:23,620
on to, you know, cult cinemas.
532
00:25:23,620 --> 00:25:25,580
- The first time I saw
Hollywood Chainsaw Hookers
533
00:25:25,580 --> 00:25:28,010
was because I taped it
one night on Cinemax,
534
00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:29,693
just in this roulette.
535
00:25:31,376 --> 00:25:32,220
So like late '80s, early '90s,
536
00:25:32,220 --> 00:25:35,070
there was just this glorious time period
537
00:25:35,070 --> 00:25:38,580
of some fantastic films
being played on cable.
538
00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:42,160
And then there was also,
on Saturday nights,
539
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,383
there was a show called Up All Night.
540
00:25:45,426 --> 00:25:48,009
(upbeat music)
541
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,360
And they would play like
older Scream Queen movies.
542
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:57,880
That was one of the first times I saw
543
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,080
Sorority Babes in the
Slimeball Bowl-O-Rama.
544
00:26:01,470 --> 00:26:03,550
Vampire on Bikini Beach.
545
00:26:03,550 --> 00:26:07,290
- A touching story of buxom
young girls and buff young dudes
546
00:26:07,290 --> 00:26:10,230
who take valuable time from
their busy summer of surfing,
547
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:13,500
dental floss bathing suits
and pounding each other
548
00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:16,900
to pound some stakes into
those creatures of the night.
549
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:19,610
- Rhonda Shear would just
play all these Scream Queen
550
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:21,840
movies, and then when you'd
turned the channel over
551
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,100
to Joe Bob Briggs on the Movie Channel,
552
00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:26,730
he would be playing like
all the Andy Sedaris movies.
553
00:26:26,730 --> 00:26:28,870
And Joe Bob Briggs was
like my film school.
554
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:31,120
I learned everything about Andy Sedaris
555
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:33,730
through Joe Bob Briggs,
because he would count down
556
00:26:33,730 --> 00:26:36,268
the body count, naked breasts.
557
00:26:36,268 --> 00:26:40,710
You know, explosions, how
many exploding helicopters.
558
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:43,710
And he like schooled me on
Andy Sedaris every night.
559
00:26:43,710 --> 00:26:45,820
To do this day, like Hard Ticket to Hawaii
560
00:26:45,820 --> 00:26:48,285
is like one of the
greatest films, you know.
561
00:26:48,285 --> 00:26:49,520
- [Announcer] This ain't no hula.
562
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,020
It's a Hard Ticket to Hawaii, rated R.
563
00:26:53,020 --> 00:26:54,390
- You were exposed to a lot of things
564
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:56,450
that otherwise you wouldn't have been.
565
00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:59,120
So there was, there's this
discovery aspect with that
566
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:03,010
that can be really
intoxicating and exciting.
567
00:27:03,010 --> 00:27:05,300
And it can expand your horizons
568
00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:08,090
in a way that's a little
more difficult now
569
00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:11,450
because there's so much choice
570
00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:13,740
that you tend to have
this like paralyzation
571
00:27:13,740 --> 00:27:15,352
of what you're gonna watch.
572
00:27:15,352 --> 00:27:17,976
But you know, Saturday
night, I would turn on
573
00:27:17,976 --> 00:27:21,400
Joe Bog Briggs on Monster
Vision and discover
574
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,210
all these like just like wild insane films
575
00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:26,805
that I never would have sat
down and watched otherwise.
576
00:27:26,805 --> 00:27:28,770
- What we've got here is nine dead bodies,
577
00:27:28,770 --> 00:27:31,920
15 zombies, two breasts,
578
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,420
which Ted of course made
us edit out for TNT,
579
00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:35,860
so you won't see those.
580
00:27:35,860 --> 00:27:38,320
The second week of Joe
Bob's summer school session
581
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,180
for remedial Monster Vision watchers,
582
00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:42,640
we enter the wonderful world of animals
583
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,450
with the Beastmaster trilogy,
584
00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:47,720
all three Beastmaster
movies, and this is only
585
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,430
the 279th time they've been seen on TNT.
586
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:53,640
We got them racked up, all right.
587
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,280
We have 57 dead bodies,
588
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,170
one kidnapping, four motor vehicle chases,
589
00:28:01,170 --> 00:28:05,218
one wheelchair chase,
one white slavery ring,
590
00:28:05,218 --> 00:28:08,530
no, wait a minute, yellow slavery ring,
591
00:28:08,530 --> 00:28:12,160
one machine gun massacre,
one machete battle,
592
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,500
multiple blue finger flame,
593
00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:17,150
one zombified levitating
2,000-year-old man
594
00:28:17,150 --> 00:28:18,910
with really bad fingernails,
595
00:28:18,910 --> 00:28:21,570
exploding building, exploding temple,
596
00:28:21,570 --> 00:28:25,250
knife to the forehead, one
ocean of chained skeletons,
597
00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:28,320
one palace of golden Buddhas, poison gas,
598
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,670
nine Kung Fu scenes, and good
ones they are, four stars.
599
00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:33,960
- There have always been two kinds
600
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,343
of late-night movie hosts.
601
00:28:36,401 --> 00:28:37,570
There's the kind that
make fun of the film,
602
00:28:37,570 --> 00:28:39,860
and there's the kind
that celebrate the film.
603
00:28:39,860 --> 00:28:42,630
I was determined to be the
kind that celebrates the film.
604
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:44,243
So, um,
605
00:28:45,371 --> 00:28:47,560
so we did a lot of research,
it was pre-internet
606
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,360
but we tried to find
out as much as we could
607
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,340
about who made the film, it was not easy.
608
00:28:52,340 --> 00:28:54,007
Who made the film, where did it come from
609
00:28:54,007 --> 00:28:55,960
and why did they make
it, how much it cost,
610
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,300
all that kinda stuff.
611
00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:00,410
- We have it for you, intact, uncut,
612
00:29:00,410 --> 00:29:04,560
unedited, in all its
disgusting technicolor glory.
613
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,060
- At the time, I was just
trying to bring a lot of this
614
00:29:07,060 --> 00:29:11,100
stuff out of obscurity,
that when I first started
615
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:13,370
reviewing the films, they were just,
616
00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:15,023
they were considered trash,
617
00:29:16,554 --> 00:29:18,120
and you know, beneath contempt,
618
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,625
beneath even the contempt
of my own networks,
619
00:29:20,625 --> 00:29:23,686
which would just throw
them on my show because
620
00:29:23,686 --> 00:29:25,770
they didn't know what to do with them.
621
00:29:25,770 --> 00:29:28,440
- Right now, we are about
to watch one of the greatest
622
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,093
Emmanuelle movies ever made.
623
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,290
Of course that's like saying
the best Mexican wine, I know,
624
00:29:33,290 --> 00:29:35,580
but it's also real late on
a cold night and you have
625
00:29:35,580 --> 00:29:37,430
nothing better to do than
watch the Movie Channel,
626
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:39,670
so listen up this, no dead bodies,
627
00:29:39,670 --> 00:29:43,110
51 naked breasts and a
stripper who does a trick
628
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:45,810
with a ping-pong ball
you will not believe.
629
00:29:45,810 --> 00:29:48,770
- The cult classic, the
cult film, the cult hits,
630
00:29:48,770 --> 00:29:52,420
the cult blockbuster, and
the reality is, is yeah,
631
00:29:52,420 --> 00:29:56,690
a lot of the movies from
especially the '70s and '80s,
632
00:29:56,690 --> 00:30:00,523
the stuff that came out on VHS
and in Grindhouse theaters,
633
00:30:01,435 --> 00:30:03,970
and HBO cable at the time,
634
00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:07,640
a lotta people grew up on
that, had fond memories of it
635
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,180
and they talked about
it with their friends,
636
00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:10,990
they found other people that liked it.
637
00:30:10,990 --> 00:30:14,620
And, before you know it,
you have groups of people
638
00:30:14,620 --> 00:30:16,590
that like a lot of these films,
639
00:30:16,590 --> 00:30:18,670
and they are classified as cult films.
640
00:30:18,670 --> 00:30:22,780
- I don't see why being
open-minded about film
641
00:30:22,780 --> 00:30:27,023
means stopping when it gets to trash.
642
00:30:28,110 --> 00:30:31,420
And Pauline Kael, that
quote, people say it over
643
00:30:31,420 --> 00:30:33,960
and over again, Pauline Kael
said to appreciate great art
644
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,292
you have to appreciate great trash.
645
00:30:36,292 --> 00:30:40,950
- That was a byproduct of
just commercial necessity.
646
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:43,140
All these cable channels figured out,
647
00:30:43,140 --> 00:30:46,980
they've gotta have constant new content,
648
00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:49,350
and so they bought cheap content
649
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:52,840
and they threw it on my
shows, and that's how it ended
650
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,797
up being a celebration of cult movies.
651
00:30:57,030 --> 00:30:58,110
- I still can't believe it.
652
00:30:58,110 --> 00:31:00,750
I can't believe we're
breaking for commercial
653
00:31:00,750 --> 00:31:02,470
in the middle of the most amazing
654
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:05,230
kung fu sequence ever filmed.
655
00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:07,090
- [Announcer] Eating pate is
just part of the curriculum
656
00:31:07,090 --> 00:31:10,310
at the Princess Academy, and
at 11:30 it's Tuesday Horror.
657
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:11,540
Tonight, it's the looking glass
658
00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:12,900
from hell in Mirror Mirror.
659
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:14,060
Catch a different horror flick
660
00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:16,280
every Tuesday night in January.
661
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,453
It's all here, on Cinemax,
if you like movies.
662
00:31:20,392 --> 00:31:23,725
(upbeat dramatic music)
663
00:31:27,254 --> 00:31:28,991
- Hey, no problem.
664
00:31:28,991 --> 00:31:32,324
(upbeat dramatic music)
665
00:31:37,788 --> 00:31:40,436
- [Announcer] Mr. Brian Bosworth.
666
00:31:40,436 --> 00:31:43,769
(upbeat dramatic music)
667
00:31:44,866 --> 00:31:47,770
- [Announcer] It's Ernest B.
Wolf in a brand-new movie.
668
00:31:47,770 --> 00:31:49,588
- [Announcer] Director of Kickboxer.
669
00:31:49,588 --> 00:31:53,399
- [Announcer] For a sexy
and outrageous comedy.
670
00:31:53,399 --> 00:31:56,732
(upbeat dramatic music)
671
00:32:01,604 --> 00:32:03,821
- Don't forget to use protection.
672
00:32:03,821 --> 00:32:06,080
(screaming)
673
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,413
(upbeat dramatic music)
674
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:23,270
- Coming out of the '60s
and going into the '70s,
675
00:32:23,270 --> 00:32:26,860
you had issues of race and social status
676
00:32:26,860 --> 00:32:31,430
and sexuality and feminism that were all,
677
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:33,440
you know, influencing these filmmakers
678
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,390
and influencing these films.
679
00:32:35,390 --> 00:32:37,140
And when you get to the '90s, like,
680
00:32:38,433 --> 00:32:39,640
there was kinda this weird time where
681
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,990
we all kinda were like, oh,
I think we got it together.
682
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:44,432
Like communism fell, and the economy
683
00:32:44,432 --> 00:32:48,820
was coming back from the
early '90s recession,
684
00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:51,420
and everything seemed good.
685
00:32:51,420 --> 00:32:54,650
And I think there's a lot to,
686
00:32:54,650 --> 00:32:58,260
there's a lot in common between
punk rock and cult film.
687
00:32:58,260 --> 00:33:00,650
There's a lot in common
between those two things, where
688
00:33:00,650 --> 00:33:02,680
the angstier the time the better it is.
689
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,440
- The '90s, let me just think
back to the '90s, holy crap.
690
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,280
What movies did I do in the '90s?
691
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,180
Oh yeah.
692
00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:10,540
- [Announcer] It was
truly love at first sight.
693
00:33:10,540 --> 00:33:11,650
- This is hell now, right?
694
00:33:11,650 --> 00:33:13,783
- No, the tinfoil keeps the heat out.
695
00:33:14,830 --> 00:33:18,140
- The '90s felt like an
extension of the '80s
696
00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:20,470
with a little bit of politics thrown in,
697
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:21,403
for the most part.
698
00:33:22,253 --> 00:33:25,480
It felt to me, the '80s
were the era of course
699
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,640
of the blockbuster, the first
major decade, full decade,
700
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,490
numerically where big blockbuster pictures
701
00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:34,240
and tent pole pictures were the norm.
702
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,490
'90s came around, it was
the same, except they sort
703
00:33:36,490 --> 00:33:38,620
of disguised it and peppered
it with a little politics.
704
00:33:38,620 --> 00:33:41,560
- There were some nuggets
in the '90's that,
705
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,080
well, Scream Factory,
I've seen some of them
706
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,950
come to life already from
some of our releases.
707
00:33:47,950 --> 00:33:51,038
If somebody had told me in the '90s that
708
00:33:51,038 --> 00:33:54,730
Tales from the Crypt, Demon
Night and Bordello of Blood
709
00:33:54,730 --> 00:33:57,583
and Death Becomes Her
would now be cult films,
710
00:33:57,583 --> 00:33:58,980
I never would have believed them,
711
00:33:58,980 --> 00:34:02,090
but they were very well received
712
00:34:02,090 --> 00:34:03,750
when we put them out on Blu-Ray.
713
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:06,010
Definitely, Showgirls came
from that time period,
714
00:34:06,010 --> 00:34:08,150
and that was right smack
in the middle of the '90s,
715
00:34:08,150 --> 00:34:09,970
and that's arguably one of the biggest
716
00:34:09,970 --> 00:34:11,710
cult films I think ever made.
717
00:34:11,710 --> 00:34:15,170
- It brought about some
new and exciting filmmakers
718
00:34:15,170 --> 00:34:17,668
came to the forefront, guys
who had started in the '80s
719
00:34:17,668 --> 00:34:22,668
primarily on music videos
when were sort of birthed,
720
00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:25,290
had to come to fruition and gotten large,
721
00:34:25,290 --> 00:34:26,950
like David Fincher and guys like that.
722
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:29,940
- I remember in high school,
you'd hear of this guy
723
00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:32,650
Tarantino, when he came
out, and you were like,
724
00:34:32,650 --> 00:34:35,603
oh, well, he's really into
this French new wave films.
725
00:34:35,603 --> 00:34:37,123
And you're like, oh what's this?
726
00:34:37,123 --> 00:34:39,180
And you kind of followed the stream up,
727
00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:41,283
trying to track down,
728
00:34:42,373 --> 00:34:45,634
trying to track down the
influences, you know.
729
00:34:45,634 --> 00:34:49,190
- I guess kind of lack of
complete any type of film style,
730
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:51,550
just wanting to make
movies for love of it.
731
00:34:51,550 --> 00:34:53,820
Godard is the one who
732
00:34:53,820 --> 00:34:57,060
taught me the fun and
the freedom and the joy
733
00:34:57,060 --> 00:34:59,810
of breaking rules, you
know, setting up a close-up
734
00:34:59,810 --> 00:35:02,722
on the back of somebody's
head as opposed to.
735
00:35:02,722 --> 00:35:05,380
And just fucking around
with the entire medium.
736
00:35:05,380 --> 00:35:08,000
- Quentin Tarantino is
kinda like a gateway drug
737
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,414
into cult cinema for some people.
738
00:35:10,414 --> 00:35:14,490
I feel like that's been a
really good thing about him.
739
00:35:14,490 --> 00:35:17,762
- He's make cult film pastiche, sort of,
740
00:35:17,762 --> 00:35:18,595
you know what I mean?
741
00:35:18,595 --> 00:35:20,380
But he also makes films that inspire
742
00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:22,420
their own cult audiences.
743
00:35:22,420 --> 00:35:25,260
I think that they're
different because they
744
00:35:25,260 --> 00:35:27,450
are mainstream in a way,
because he has broken through
745
00:35:27,450 --> 00:35:29,432
to the mainstream, but I
think he still is very much
746
00:35:29,432 --> 00:35:33,600
making cult movies, just
with Hollywood budgets.
747
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,370
- To me, the '90s was
this incredible period.
748
00:35:36,370 --> 00:35:41,190
The '90s really was the
beginnings of independent film.
749
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:45,550
That was where Tarantino cut his teeth.
750
00:35:45,550 --> 00:35:46,600
I mean, that's where,
751
00:35:47,612 --> 00:35:49,200
that's where Steven Soderbergh became big,
752
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,780
Kevin Smith, I mean, come on.
753
00:35:50,780 --> 00:35:53,870
Like all these filmmakers that because
754
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:56,540
of the advent of video
and direct-to-video,
755
00:35:56,540 --> 00:36:00,170
you could take a risk on a
small movie like Clerks, right?
756
00:36:00,170 --> 00:36:03,010
It didn't need to make a
mountain of money in the theater,
757
00:36:03,010 --> 00:36:06,580
because you knew, like down the road,
758
00:36:06,580 --> 00:36:08,817
that movie's gonna make
its money on video.
759
00:36:08,817 --> 00:36:11,840
That's gonna be a hit on video.
760
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,150
I look on the '90s as a
goldmine of great work,
761
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:18,810
and also the beginnings
of so many filmmakers
762
00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:22,460
whose careers reverberate into today.
763
00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:26,640
- '80s were so ingrained in VHS culture,
764
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,270
and the '90s were sorta there as well,
765
00:36:28,270 --> 00:36:31,770
but the '90s had a shift
where DVDs sorta took over
766
00:36:31,770 --> 00:36:35,030
around, I wanna say, mid-'90s, late '90s,
767
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:36,882
DVDs kinda took over.
768
00:36:36,882 --> 00:36:38,513
- [Announcer] This is DVD.
769
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,031
And this.
770
00:36:42,031 --> 00:36:43,260
- Whoaaaa!
771
00:36:43,260 --> 00:36:44,793
- [Announcer] Is what happens
772
00:36:44,793 --> 00:36:47,112
when you watch DVD.
773
00:36:47,112 --> 00:36:49,450
(explosion)
774
00:36:49,450 --> 00:36:51,963
It's a movie on a disc the size of a CD.
775
00:36:52,850 --> 00:36:55,343
The picture is twice as sharp as VHS.
776
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,550
The sound is infinitely clearer.
777
00:36:58,550 --> 00:37:01,219
It looks and sounds like
you're at the movies,
778
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:02,919
but you can experience it at home.
779
00:37:03,987 --> 00:37:07,560
- For the '90s, there
was not a lot of films
780
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,660
available on DVD, up through the 2000s,
781
00:37:09,660 --> 00:37:11,720
there were films you couldn't get on DVD,
782
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,530
like the Magnificent
Ambersons, by Orson Welles,
783
00:37:14,530 --> 00:37:16,990
not available on DVD til like 2010,
784
00:37:16,990 --> 00:37:18,700
which is ridiculous,
when you think about it,
785
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:20,478
because you always felt like
786
00:37:20,478 --> 00:37:22,078
everything was available on DVD.
787
00:37:24,030 --> 00:37:27,740
I think it ups the game
in the level of quality
788
00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:29,753
you could see, which is so important.
789
00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:33,110
For something like Street Trash,
790
00:37:33,110 --> 00:37:35,990
like seeing Street Trash
on DVD, I can't imagine,
791
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:37,610
having seen it for the first time on DVD,
792
00:37:37,610 --> 00:37:40,560
I can't imagine having watched it on VHS.
793
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,920
As much as it adds a
quality and a dimension
794
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,950
that makes you feel like
you're almost grittier
795
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:48,600
for watching it, I feel like
when you watch it on DVD
796
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,140
the effects get so much more in your face
797
00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:53,940
and so much more realistic
that it's just, it's beautiful.
798
00:37:53,940 --> 00:37:56,200
- It's funny how the DVD generation
799
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,530
has those specific titles that you'd find
800
00:37:59,530 --> 00:38:00,850
and just show to everybody.
801
00:38:00,850 --> 00:38:03,210
I mean, Army of Darkness, Evil Dead,
802
00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:05,620
like I was the horror fan
of my group of friends
803
00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:07,440
back in New York, but
they weren't all into it.
804
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,310
They wouldn't seek those movies.
805
00:38:09,310 --> 00:38:10,650
I was the one that would find them
806
00:38:10,650 --> 00:38:12,170
and show it to everybody.
807
00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:16,260
And again, I think the coolest
thing about those movies is,
808
00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:20,620
you know, curating and making
it a communal experience.
809
00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:23,280
- All right, you permanent
screw heads, listen up.
810
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,220
This is my boom stick.
811
00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:31,220
- You know like early Anchor
Bay release and Synapse Films,
812
00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:36,440
those guys, those pioneers
813
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,963
of releasing cult movies
to the major market.
814
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,833
Yeah, I think they did the
great service to the market,
815
00:38:44,802 --> 00:38:48,543
and really kinda re-introduced
lost classics to us.
816
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,910
- By the time DVD was
becoming the dominant one,
817
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:56,783
they were making less
and less and less VHS's.
818
00:38:57,902 --> 00:39:00,530
And places that were around
that were still carrying
819
00:39:00,530 --> 00:39:02,280
and still renting were
not carrying as many,
820
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,730
so the transition was easy.
821
00:39:03,730 --> 00:39:05,870
You just showed up one
day, and there wasn't,
822
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:09,720
there wasn't a VHS of what you
were getting, you got a DVD,
823
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:12,040
and by that time most
people had enough time
824
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,140
to transition from DVD
players and everything else.
825
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:17,650
So it was like a smooth,
maybe between like
826
00:39:17,650 --> 00:39:20,629
a three-year period where
pretty much you just blinked
827
00:39:20,629 --> 00:39:24,060
and you just all of a sudden
realized that VHS was gone.
828
00:39:24,060 --> 00:39:24,893
That was it.
829
00:39:24,893 --> 00:39:27,130
- It's just also the first
time you got to see movies
830
00:39:27,130 --> 00:39:29,360
in their proper aspect ratio.
831
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,740
Even though you grew up
watching all these VHS tapes,
832
00:39:32,740 --> 00:39:35,230
it was all of a sudden,
like the first time seeing
833
00:39:35,230 --> 00:39:38,790
Deep Red in that condition, seeing,
834
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:41,970
it was pretty shocking
you could actually see
835
00:39:41,970 --> 00:39:44,750
these movies in the proper way.
836
00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:48,450
- Having lived in movie
theaters and watching the same
837
00:39:48,450 --> 00:39:51,530
film over and over again,
you remember exactly how
838
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:52,803
it looks, and,
839
00:39:54,419 --> 00:39:57,230
in movies like Empire
Strikes Back and Ghostbusters
840
00:39:57,230 --> 00:40:01,450
and stuff like that, they will crop to
841
00:40:01,450 --> 00:40:03,810
the most important part of the scene,
842
00:40:03,810 --> 00:40:05,083
so that your main actors.
843
00:40:05,998 --> 00:40:09,440
So things like IG 88 and Winston will get
844
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,163
edited out for TV.
845
00:40:15,005 --> 00:40:16,720
And, I wanna see the whole film.
846
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:20,070
I wanna see everything that was there.
847
00:40:20,070 --> 00:40:23,313
And I think the thing
about DVDs that helped is,
848
00:40:25,060 --> 00:40:26,610
you finally got
849
00:40:27,550 --> 00:40:30,120
a more in-depth look at
850
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,660
the filmmaking process.
851
00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:35,390
- The main innovation that
DVD gave that kind of helped
852
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:38,920
breathe new life into cult
films is the special feature.
853
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,080
Because, you know, I may have loved a film
854
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,000
like Return of the Living Dead on VHS,
855
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,700
but now at some point,
a company picks that up,
856
00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:50,630
they dig back into the
archives, they pull up all this
857
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:52,770
behind-the-scenes stuff, they're
interviewing the directors,
858
00:40:52,770 --> 00:40:55,193
suddenly you could learn
more about these films
859
00:40:55,193 --> 00:40:57,200
than you ever could from a VHS.
860
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,700
- I like the commentary, I like having,
861
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:02,297
it's not the whole, the physical thing,
862
00:41:02,297 --> 00:41:05,320
it's like having all the,
863
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,160
the extras, everything
that goes with that film.
864
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,744
I don't wanna just see it,
from beginning to credits.
865
00:41:10,744 --> 00:41:13,870
After I watch it, then I want to
866
00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:15,340
watch the behind-the-scenes featurette,
867
00:41:15,340 --> 00:41:16,570
then I wanna listen to the commentary,
868
00:41:16,570 --> 00:41:18,120
then I wanna watch the stills,
I wanna see the deleted
869
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,180
scenes, I mean, that's the
way I experience a movie.
870
00:41:21,180 --> 00:41:23,920
- But then the DVD business
871
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,250
began to
872
00:41:26,410 --> 00:41:27,243
sink.
873
00:41:30,220 --> 00:41:33,760
As the internet took its place.
874
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,450
- Now that I've gotten on the internet,
875
00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:37,020
I'd rather be on my computer
876
00:41:37,020 --> 00:41:38,570
than doing just about anything.
877
00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:42,323
(upbeat music)
878
00:41:48,448 --> 00:41:50,047
- In the late '90s, it was weird.
879
00:41:50,047 --> 00:41:54,070
One of my most vivid memories
of downloading a video
880
00:41:54,070 --> 00:41:56,560
and watching my thing
just like I'm waiting
881
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,760
two hours to download,
someone had made a cam
882
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,630
version of the trailer for Star Wars
883
00:42:03,630 --> 00:42:05,690
Episode One, the Phantom Menace.
884
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:08,600
That was one of the
most downloaded videos,
885
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,400
bootleg videos off the internet.
886
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,040
I think I still have a
copy of the cam version
887
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,010
that everybody downloaded,
and it was on mirror sites
888
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:18,310
and you had to kinda pop
it up here and there.
889
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:21,071
That was huge.
890
00:42:21,071 --> 00:42:24,404
(cheering and applause)
891
00:42:30,108 --> 00:42:32,400
- I remember it taking forever.
892
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,530
I remember those BMW fucking commercials,
893
00:42:35,530 --> 00:42:38,605
directed by like John
Wu and shit like that.
894
00:42:38,605 --> 00:42:41,708
(tires screeching)
895
00:42:41,708 --> 00:42:43,750
I remember taking like a
fucking day to download
896
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:45,520
one of them just to watch it.
897
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,630
But that was amazing at the time.
898
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:50,170
You know, it was like, holy
shit, I could watch stuff.
899
00:42:50,170 --> 00:42:51,560
- I mean, good internet
was the key, right,
900
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,370
because like, great,
you had a dial-up modem,
901
00:42:54,370 --> 00:42:55,847
but what the hell were
you gonna do with it,
902
00:42:55,847 --> 00:42:59,470
get on an AOL portal and get
in a chat room or something?
903
00:42:59,470 --> 00:43:03,280
- At that point in the
age of the internet,
904
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,870
it was merely a tool
that you could send email
905
00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:07,000
and get some news.
906
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,750
I don't think anybody had any idea that
907
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:12,600
you could revive old movies online.
908
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,850
- I think when bandwidth changed
909
00:43:15,850 --> 00:43:19,050
and just computers in general changed
910
00:43:19,050 --> 00:43:21,620
and now you could stream video easily,
911
00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:25,233
not have to wait 30, 40 minutes
to watch a 30-second clip,
912
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,150
at first it was amazing.
913
00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:34,150
But when the whole Metallica
Napster thing happened,
914
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:37,270
why Hollywood couldn't see,
915
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:42,030
oh wow, as bandwidth increases
and internet speeds increase,
916
00:43:42,030 --> 00:43:43,540
pretty soon you're gonna
be able to download
917
00:43:43,540 --> 00:43:45,650
a movie in a second too.
918
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:47,250
Shit, we're gonna be next.
919
00:43:47,250 --> 00:43:50,320
But everyone just kind of
ignored it, it felt like.
920
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,600
And it's an endless
argument because there's
921
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,450
many sides to it.
922
00:43:54,450 --> 00:43:57,520
Some people say that's good,
like, now people are seeing
923
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:58,750
your movie who otherwise might have
924
00:43:58,750 --> 00:44:00,050
never even heard of it.
925
00:44:00,050 --> 00:44:03,450
And yeah, okay, that is cool,
but it is still a business.
926
00:44:03,450 --> 00:44:08,040
- As a filmmaker, I cannot
give my product away for free,
927
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,070
because if I don't get a
return on my investment,
928
00:44:12,070 --> 00:44:17,070
I can't get the investor to
invest in my next picture.
929
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,450
So, so much of the internet, not everyone,
930
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:23,610
but many, maybe most,
people think that everything
931
00:44:23,610 --> 00:44:25,560
should be free, they
should be able to pirate,
932
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,530
they should be able to
do whatever they want.
933
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:30,430
Well, if that's the case,
then there's gonna be
934
00:44:30,430 --> 00:44:31,760
no low-budget movies made.
935
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,700
There'll only be
large-budget stuff that shows
936
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:36,100
on the big screen.
937
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:39,170
- It is a art from, yet it's commerce.
938
00:44:39,170 --> 00:44:43,210
So if we don't make
money for our producers
939
00:44:43,210 --> 00:44:47,623
and production companies, we
don't get to make another one.
940
00:44:49,470 --> 00:44:51,456
It doesn't really matter,
941
00:44:51,456 --> 00:44:55,310
like a million people could
watch my movie illegally,
942
00:44:55,310 --> 00:44:57,930
and I won't get to do another movie.
943
00:44:57,930 --> 00:45:00,080
As a watcher and a fan
of the films, I hate it,
944
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,968
and as someone who've involved
in the business, I hate it,
945
00:45:02,968 --> 00:45:04,274
because it's, I'm seeing it.
946
00:45:04,274 --> 00:45:08,520
I wish it would go away, but
I just don't think it will.
947
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,073
- It kills the industry.
948
00:45:13,210 --> 00:45:18,210
Until they find a way to
really protect the movies,
949
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,500
you must pay let's say
one cent to watch a movie,
950
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:26,500
you must pay, it's good.
951
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:30,550
But if you can see it for
free, that kills the movie.
952
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:32,850
No one is getting paid by that.
953
00:45:32,850 --> 00:45:35,995
- Making media available for
free was the greatest thing
954
00:45:35,995 --> 00:45:38,330
that ever happened to the viewer,
955
00:45:38,330 --> 00:45:41,930
and the worst thing that could
ever happen to a filmmaker.
956
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:45,263
(upbeat dramatic music)
957
00:45:47,908 --> 00:45:50,469
(siren blaring)
958
00:45:50,469 --> 00:45:53,802
(upbeat dramatic music)
959
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:06,320
- That's bull honky.
960
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,160
File sharing is the
best thing in the world
961
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,560
for an independent artist
or a cult filmmaker.
962
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,860
What's the most important
thing in one's life?
963
00:46:15,860 --> 00:46:20,010
What is the most important
thing somebody can give to you,
964
00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:21,600
as an artist?
965
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,513
Their time, that's an hour
and a half of their time.
966
00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:28,040
You can't pay people to look at most
967
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,490
of the shit that's out there.
968
00:46:29,490 --> 00:46:32,060
- Honestly, every time, we see
969
00:46:33,335 --> 00:46:35,140
we see our anthologies pop
up on the Torrent sites,
970
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:36,830
we're kind of excited.
971
00:46:36,830 --> 00:46:38,580
It's like, yeah, we know we
probably wouldn't have gotten
972
00:46:38,580 --> 00:46:40,930
that seven bucks from
iTunes, but odds are,
973
00:46:40,930 --> 00:46:41,763
if they're on Bit touring,
974
00:46:41,763 --> 00:46:43,790
they wouldn't have bought it anyways.
975
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:45,830
We're kinda like, cool,
people are seeing our stuff.
976
00:46:45,830 --> 00:46:49,614
And so, yeah, on one hand
it sucks because you have
977
00:46:49,614 --> 00:46:52,630
filmmakers not making
money, and these things
978
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:54,720
aren't free, and it's a lotta hard work
979
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:56,510
and people have to make a living.
980
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:58,560
- Do I think 10,000 people saw my movie
981
00:46:59,460 --> 00:47:01,500
and get a little happy about that?
982
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:02,860
I guess I do.
983
00:47:02,860 --> 00:47:05,640
It doesn't mean, but I tell you one thing,
984
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,110
it's pretty damn good the reason why
985
00:47:08,110 --> 00:47:09,500
I won't make another one, though.
986
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:10,810
- If you
987
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:15,820
see a film on BitTorrent,
and you like that filmmaker's
988
00:47:15,820 --> 00:47:20,363
work and you don't go
out and buy more of it,
989
00:47:21,250 --> 00:47:23,690
or support it in some
way, and you just continue
990
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:28,480
to take it, then you're gonna
kinda snuff that voice out.
991
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,230
- Would that help with internet piracy
992
00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:35,330
if they actually enforced
the law, just a couple times
993
00:47:35,330 --> 00:47:37,700
and made a public spectacle out of it?
994
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:40,280
Maybe, would it persuade some people?
995
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,730
Probably, yeah, but at
the same time, like,
996
00:47:42,730 --> 00:47:45,480
you don't wanna see some
16-year-old get fined
997
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,280
that much money and get put in jail.
998
00:47:48,759 --> 00:47:52,437
I don't wanna see it come to
that, but at the same time,
999
00:47:52,437 --> 00:47:56,680
it's been the bane of my existence
1000
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,940
and a lot of filmmakers on the indy level.
1001
00:48:00,940 --> 00:48:02,910
- That's a tough one, I don't know.
1002
00:48:02,910 --> 00:48:05,180
You can't stop people from Torrenting.
1003
00:48:05,180 --> 00:48:07,808
And if you go online and
try to argue with them,
1004
00:48:07,808 --> 00:48:09,520
you're just gonna get the
shit kicked out of you,
1005
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,670
and you're gonna look like the bad guy.
1006
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:14,700
- I think the worst thing
you can do is go after
1007
00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:17,540
the people that actually are doing that.
1008
00:48:17,540 --> 00:48:19,720
I've heard a lot of people just say like,
1009
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:22,610
if you do this, fuck you, and it's,
1010
00:48:22,610 --> 00:48:24,610
honestly, it's one of these things like,
1011
00:48:24,610 --> 00:48:27,283
it's certainly a problem, and I do think,
1012
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:30,390
like no one who makes a movie is psyched
1013
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:31,700
when it gets pirated.
1014
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:35,230
However, I think it
needs to fall on people,
1015
00:48:35,230 --> 00:48:38,010
or corporations like Google
and these other things
1016
00:48:38,010 --> 00:48:40,260
that actually make that accessible.
1017
00:48:40,260 --> 00:48:42,690
Where it's like, if there
wasn't a cheap alternative
1018
00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:45,070
and suddenly they didn't have that window
1019
00:48:45,070 --> 00:48:48,600
where they can just get any
movie they want for free,
1020
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,920
then it would be a much different story.
1021
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,030
- You also have to remember
there's also a generation
1022
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:55,280
of people now that are growing up that,
1023
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,180
they don't know of any,
they don't know any better.
1024
00:48:58,180 --> 00:49:02,460
That's how the, that's how
things have changed now
1025
00:49:02,460 --> 00:49:07,120
with getting your media,
whether it's through
1026
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,510
your apps on your phone
or through your iPad
1027
00:49:10,510 --> 00:49:14,440
or through VOD or Redbox
or Netflix or YouTube
1028
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,020
or whatever, there's so
many ways to get media,
1029
00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:19,990
and a lot of it, you can get free, too.
1030
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:22,090
So some people don't know
the distinction of somebody
1031
00:49:22,090 --> 00:49:26,220
that's put something up
illegally or legitimately,
1032
00:49:26,220 --> 00:49:29,410
and it gets very cloudy.
1033
00:49:29,410 --> 00:49:34,090
- Much in the same way that
bringing VHS into people's homes
1034
00:49:34,090 --> 00:49:36,640
was like a democratizing
thing for cult films,
1035
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,110
I think that the internet,
and in particular Torrenting,
1036
00:49:41,110 --> 00:49:43,550
for better or worse, has
had that same effect.
1037
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:48,250
If anything, it's
massively magnified, right?
1038
00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:51,990
The technology that can bring
a cult film into your house
1039
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:55,870
at the snap of your fingers
is a really great thing.
1040
00:49:55,870 --> 00:49:59,362
I think that it was a bigger
problem maybe 10 years ago,
1041
00:49:59,362 --> 00:50:01,440
because now a lot of streaming
services have caught up.
1042
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,610
And frankly, I think people
are very willing to pay $10
1043
00:50:04,610 --> 00:50:07,850
a month to Netflix or Shutter or Amazon
1044
00:50:07,850 --> 00:50:10,210
to be able to stream these things.
1045
00:50:10,210 --> 00:50:12,360
- Streaming is great.
1046
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,530
Downloading was bad.
1047
00:50:14,530 --> 00:50:17,100
Downloading, when we only had downloading,
1048
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:20,080
we didn't have streaming,
that could have destroyed
1049
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,210
the independent film business because
1050
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:25,890
once you downloaded it, then it was
1051
00:50:27,010 --> 00:50:29,860
disseminated for no money everywhere.
1052
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,880
And there was no way to collect.
1053
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,550
- I remember when, like
Netflix and Hulu were first
1054
00:50:36,550 --> 00:50:39,231
kind of getting big,
Netflix like streaming-wise,
1055
00:50:39,231 --> 00:50:42,600
they would have a ton of
cult movies and stuff,
1056
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,360
which they now all got rid of.
1057
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,830
But that was kind of a cool
way too, because it's just like
1058
00:50:46,830 --> 00:50:48,770
all these random movies
that you never would have
1059
00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:50,750
heard of before, and they're just
1060
00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:51,590
there in your face.
1061
00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:53,500
You're like okay, I can
watch this if I want to.
1062
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:56,610
- Once streaming happened,
1063
00:50:56,610 --> 00:51:01,300
I mean it's much easier to
stream something for $1.99
1064
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:06,743
than to BitTorrent it, or
whatever they're calling it now,
1065
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:09,663
which might take all day.
1066
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,750
And so, they got the
price to a point where,
1067
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:15,750
for convenience, people will go ahead
1068
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:17,810
and pay for the stream.
1069
00:51:17,810 --> 00:51:20,860
- Look at Netflix Originals,
right, so now Netflix
1070
00:51:20,860 --> 00:51:23,283
is making originals,
Hulu's making originals.
1071
00:51:24,173 --> 00:51:26,040
They're not putting out
physical copies of that,
1072
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,640
so what happens when the
day comes that they take
1073
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,290
it out of rotation, is
it just gone forever?
1074
00:51:32,290 --> 00:51:36,560
And so, the argument of, well, by having
1075
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,463
file sharing, people can
still see these things,
1076
00:51:42,660 --> 00:51:46,070
I think that the system,
I think that the industry
1077
00:51:46,070 --> 00:51:47,580
needs to figure that out.
1078
00:51:47,580 --> 00:51:50,880
- Now if there's no way that
it's commercially available,
1079
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,380
I'll watch a movie, I don't BitTorrent it,
1080
00:51:53,380 --> 00:51:56,080
but I'll watch a movie that's
only available in that form.
1081
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,310
If it's available
legally, I buy the movie.
1082
00:51:59,310 --> 00:52:02,060
Whether it's available on
a pay streaming service
1083
00:52:02,060 --> 00:52:07,060
like Vudu or iTunes or
whatever, I'll buy it.
1084
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:10,410
But if it's not available
in any other form,
1085
00:52:10,410 --> 00:52:12,500
it's the only way I can
watch the movie guilt free.
1086
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:15,143
Otherwise, I don't watch bootlegs.
1087
00:52:15,143 --> 00:52:16,910
- If there is no way to see it,
1088
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:18,733
okay, I accept piracy,
1089
00:52:19,610 --> 00:52:23,960
because it's stupid not
to let people see a movie.
1090
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,030
- I mean, there's certainly stuff that
1091
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:28,180
no one is ever going to put out again.
1092
00:52:28,180 --> 00:52:30,780
- [Announcer] See the acme
of magical achievement.
1093
00:52:30,780 --> 00:52:34,070
See Alabama's Ghost,
starring Christopher Brooks.
1094
00:52:34,070 --> 00:52:35,113
In color, rated PG.
1095
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,840
- Where it's just totally
lost its appeal like,
1096
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,480
or the rights are just such a nightmare
1097
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,660
that you're not able to find it.
1098
00:52:46,660 --> 00:52:49,990
And so I mean, I think
that stuff should be,
1099
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:52,050
you should be able to buy
it through some channel.
1100
00:52:52,050 --> 00:52:55,290
Like Fright Night Part Two is
a really good example of that,
1101
00:52:55,290 --> 00:52:57,200
where I think I've seen a ton of bootlegs.
1102
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,330
- Well I mean you see it on YouTube even.
1103
00:52:59,330 --> 00:53:01,870
There'll be illegal full-length movies
1104
00:53:01,870 --> 00:53:03,810
that are up on YouTube,
and I'm often surprised,
1105
00:53:03,810 --> 00:53:05,830
and when I look at the views of those,
1106
00:53:05,830 --> 00:53:08,910
and it says something like
80,000, and it's a film
1107
00:53:08,910 --> 00:53:11,800
that either I've put out
through Scream Factory
1108
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,510
or other companies have
put out, independents,
1109
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:17,410
I'm thinking to myself, how
come that didn't get shut down?
1110
00:53:17,410 --> 00:53:19,533
Why is it still up there?
1111
00:53:20,410 --> 00:53:23,390
Because, yeah, it does harm sales
1112
00:53:23,390 --> 00:53:25,480
of the actual film.
1113
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,308
However, as you said
the double-edged sword
1114
00:53:29,308 --> 00:53:33,430
is that, it's also a place
where if a lot of people
1115
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:35,580
seeing it, talking about it,
1116
00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:37,910
they're writing comments in the thread,
1117
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:42,910
which is basically a cult
film forum on one film,
1118
00:53:43,390 --> 00:53:45,517
it's also adding to the,
1119
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,590
reputation of the film over all
1120
00:53:51,590 --> 00:53:54,530
over time because more
people are seeing it.
1121
00:53:54,530 --> 00:53:57,970
- I'm pretty sure someone has uploaded
1122
00:53:57,970 --> 00:54:01,150
Vasectomy the Movie to YouTube.
1123
00:54:01,150 --> 00:54:03,437
I haven't looked, but
I'm fairly certain that
1124
00:54:03,437 --> 00:54:06,390
Vasectomy the Movie with
Paul Sorvino and Abe Vigoda
1125
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:10,180
is somewhere to be found on the internet.
1126
00:54:10,180 --> 00:54:11,557
- It's the Italians.
1127
00:54:12,596 --> 00:54:15,096
It's always been the Italians.
1128
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:20,690
It started way back with Plato.
1129
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:22,030
- He was a Greek.
1130
00:54:22,030 --> 00:54:22,863
- What's the difference?
1131
00:54:22,863 --> 00:54:25,263
He drank wine and he
ate macaroni, didn't he?
1132
00:54:26,554 --> 00:54:27,650
- Can't argue that point.
1133
00:54:27,650 --> 00:54:30,160
- And I do know that like the VHS cult
1134
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:33,130
people who collect this stuff,
1135
00:54:33,130 --> 00:54:34,590
they're really trying to preserve it.
1136
00:54:34,590 --> 00:54:36,850
So a lot of those videos are actually
1137
00:54:36,850 --> 00:54:38,710
being uploaded to YouTube.
1138
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:40,070
- Who knew that movies would find a,
1139
00:54:40,070 --> 00:54:44,233
I guess now a sixth or seventh home,
1140
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,210
with that sort of stuff, you know?
1141
00:54:48,210 --> 00:54:50,620
- Well in some cases, I
think that the fandoms
1142
00:54:50,620 --> 00:54:53,310
and specifically online
fandoms, because I think that's
1143
00:54:53,310 --> 00:54:55,239
really what drives all
of it, in some cases,
1144
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,570
has literally resurrected these films
1145
00:54:58,570 --> 00:55:01,720
and brought them back to life
in a case where without it
1146
00:55:01,720 --> 00:55:03,760
they may have just died off in obscurity.
1147
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,660
- There are groups and websites devoted to
1148
00:55:06,660 --> 00:55:10,170
almost every movie, but
definitely in the cult films.
1149
00:55:10,170 --> 00:55:13,440
And I'm a part of them, I've seen them,
1150
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,060
people post pictures, stills and clips
1151
00:55:18,060 --> 00:55:21,440
and inside stories, and oh,
I used to work on this film
1152
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,240
and all this stuff, that's great,
1153
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:26,880
because then people can find homes
1154
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,820
of the movies that they
like, and participate
1155
00:55:30,820 --> 00:55:33,040
and share with other people, like,
1156
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,150
I loved this movie too.
1157
00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:37,410
- Again, that's the
beauty of taking our love
1158
00:55:37,410 --> 00:55:40,880
to this new level via social media
1159
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,220
and being able to talk to
people all over the world.
1160
00:55:44,220 --> 00:55:45,733
That's the benefit of it.
1161
00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:49,970
I think that's just as special as inviting
1162
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:52,150
four or five friends over
to watch a cult movie.
1163
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:54,940
The fact that we can talk to
people from different parts
1164
00:55:54,940 --> 00:55:57,370
of the world and have that
connection is amazing.
1165
00:55:57,370 --> 00:55:59,770
- You do end up finding
out about more stuff,
1166
00:55:59,770 --> 00:56:02,280
but the problem is you don't really have
1167
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,130
a true voice sort of curating everything.
1168
00:56:05,130 --> 00:56:07,450
And what ends up happening
is everything sort of like
1169
00:56:07,450 --> 00:56:10,032
falls into a slush pile,
you know, because it's like
1170
00:56:10,032 --> 00:56:13,670
we're constantly just
being bombarded with movies
1171
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:16,700
that like, some of them
are just flat-out terrible,
1172
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:19,210
you know, where people are
like, trying to turn them
1173
00:56:19,210 --> 00:56:20,883
into something, like,
1174
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,693
I shouldn't do this, but I'll
totally call this movie out,
1175
00:56:24,693 --> 00:56:27,520
because I think it's not good,
1176
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,270
but like Hide and Go Shriek.
1177
00:56:30,270 --> 00:56:32,970
I remember seeing that, and I
saw the cover and I was like,
1178
00:56:32,970 --> 00:56:34,290
this movie looks awesome.
1179
00:56:34,290 --> 00:56:36,160
I watched it, and I was
1180
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,370
not thrilled with it.
1181
00:56:38,370 --> 00:56:40,617
And then I remember seeing
other people be like,
1182
00:56:40,617 --> 00:56:42,213
oh, my God, Hide and Go Shriek is amazing.
1183
00:56:42,213 --> 00:56:43,940
It's like, it isn't, though.
1184
00:56:43,940 --> 00:56:46,330
- Here's to eight fabulous
friends who got through
1185
00:56:46,330 --> 00:56:49,156
high school and are gonna do great things.
1186
00:56:49,156 --> 00:56:51,880
(shrieking)
1187
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,910
- If you want to watch a
cult movie, you can look up
1188
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:56,480
best cult movies of the
'80's, and there's 500 lists
1189
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,003
you can read and just
start ticking them off.
1190
00:57:01,574 --> 00:57:05,230
And it takes the joy out
of it, for me in some ways.
1191
00:57:05,230 --> 00:57:08,560
It takes that excitement
1192
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,090
of getting the VHS and going
home with it to watch it,
1193
00:57:12,090 --> 00:57:13,630
because you don't know
what you're about to see,
1194
00:57:13,630 --> 00:57:16,150
whereas with the internet, you say,
1195
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:18,550
oh, somebody said this was good,
1196
00:57:18,550 --> 00:57:20,110
I'm gonna go find it on YouTube.
1197
00:57:20,110 --> 00:57:22,360
- It's not the same
experience you could get
1198
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,960
going and talking to the
guy behind the video counter
1199
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,970
and saying like, hey, I love
Enzo Castellari's High Crime,
1200
00:57:28,970 --> 00:57:31,980
what are some other polizia
movies that you can recommend?
1201
00:57:31,980 --> 00:57:35,655
Instead, if you go and look at
your Netflix or what have you
1202
00:57:35,655 --> 00:57:38,500
and see the stuff that's
recommended to you,
1203
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:41,170
it's like the type of thing
that if one of your friends
1204
00:57:41,170 --> 00:57:43,570
recommends, if you told
them you like Halloween
1205
00:57:43,570 --> 00:57:45,390
and they recommended
this other movie to you,
1206
00:57:45,390 --> 00:57:47,360
like, you'd probably stop
being friends with them.
1207
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,330
- If there was a film
called Human Centipede
1208
00:57:51,330 --> 00:57:54,670
when we were 14, we would
have been all over that.
1209
00:57:54,670 --> 00:57:56,260
But everybody else would have ignored it.
1210
00:57:56,260 --> 00:57:59,100
But with the internet,
with social media, with
1211
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,190
late-night talk show hosts all tuned in to
1212
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:07,163
the weird stuff that's happening,
1213
00:58:08,050 --> 00:58:09,140
things like that
1214
00:58:11,110 --> 00:58:13,010
become mainstream.
1215
00:58:13,010 --> 00:58:15,220
But Human Centipede, or
1216
00:58:19,431 --> 00:58:21,653
I don't know Turbo Kid, stuff like that,
1217
00:58:23,382 --> 00:58:25,863
it would never have reached
mainstream audiences.
1218
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:28,310
And it would have been,
1219
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,270
not to sound arrogant, but
it would have been ours.
1220
00:58:34,387 --> 00:58:36,611
- It's a bit of a give and take,
1221
00:58:36,611 --> 00:58:38,596
because, yeah, it's less special,
1222
00:58:38,596 --> 00:58:43,150
you're not walking into a
musty interesting building
1223
00:58:43,150 --> 00:58:47,250
populated by the kind of
people you really hope
1224
00:58:47,250 --> 00:58:49,050
you're cool enough to hang out with.
1225
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,990
And trying to make connections
with people and bond
1226
00:58:52,990 --> 00:58:56,040
over movies and stuff like
that, yeah, that's missing.
1227
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,780
There's an online version of that.
1228
00:58:57,780 --> 00:59:00,180
It's just, it's not as familiar to me.
1229
00:59:00,180 --> 00:59:02,999
- I think ultimately what
the internet has done
1230
00:59:02,999 --> 00:59:04,330
is it's just made it
easier for you to find
1231
00:59:04,330 --> 00:59:06,830
that person that you've
shared that experience with.
1232
00:59:06,830 --> 00:59:09,290
And I think that's kind
of the beautiful thing
1233
00:59:09,290 --> 00:59:12,210
about cult films in general,
which has always been
1234
00:59:12,210 --> 00:59:15,040
beautiful about cult
films, which is, again,
1235
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,910
that when you talk to
somebody that you've seen
1236
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:20,140
the same film that very
few other people have seen,
1237
00:59:20,140 --> 00:59:23,023
you go, oh my God, I have had
that experience, you know.
1238
00:59:26,490 --> 00:59:29,570
And what it's done for me is that like,
1239
00:59:29,570 --> 00:59:32,710
my personal experience
with being a cult movie fan
1240
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:36,720
and my interactions on the
internet is it's just kind of
1241
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,306
made me realize that
that cult's much bigger.
1242
00:59:39,306 --> 00:59:43,310
- Now we're in an interesting time where
1243
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,700
we have access to almost everything.
1244
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:51,430
Everybody is acquiring and
putting out every cult movie
1245
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:53,470
you can think of on Blu-Ray.
1246
00:59:53,470 --> 00:59:55,530
So not only are we able
to find these things,
1247
00:59:55,530 --> 00:59:58,690
but we're able to see
them better than when
1248
00:59:58,690 --> 01:00:00,714
they probably played in theaters.
1249
01:00:00,714 --> 01:00:02,740
- A lotta people today aren't
gonna know how it's like.
1250
01:00:02,740 --> 01:00:05,060
Like all the Jodorowsky
movies weren't available
1251
01:00:05,060 --> 01:00:06,133
really in the '90s.
1252
01:00:07,217 --> 01:00:09,870
You had to find them in other areas.
1253
01:00:09,870 --> 01:00:13,200
I found a video store called
A Video Store Named Desire,
1254
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,610
and I went in, asked them
for Jodorowsky movies,
1255
01:00:15,610 --> 01:00:18,060
and he had these dubs of them,
1256
01:00:18,060 --> 01:00:21,420
dubs from Japanese laser discs.
1257
01:00:21,420 --> 01:00:24,520
And then I dubbed it,
and so now I had like
1258
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,130
this fifth-generation movie, you know.
1259
01:00:27,130 --> 01:00:29,870
And now it's just pretty
much mind-boggling
1260
01:00:29,870 --> 01:00:32,830
that now these things are on Blu-Ray.
1261
01:00:32,830 --> 01:00:34,977
- I won't lie and say that I've,
1262
01:00:34,977 --> 01:00:37,340
everything I've seen I've seen through
1263
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,120
on the up and up.
1264
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,950
But there is also a huge proliferation
1265
01:00:43,950 --> 01:00:47,450
of like repertory companies
now that are bringing stuff
1266
01:00:47,450 --> 01:00:49,380
that was hard to find.
1267
01:00:49,380 --> 01:00:52,220
So some people's delivery
method, they would prefer
1268
01:00:52,220 --> 01:00:55,420
to like have it on a file,
and maybe that's the way
1269
01:00:55,420 --> 01:00:56,670
you get it on file.
1270
01:00:56,670 --> 01:00:59,422
For me, I would prefer, there's a vendor
1271
01:00:59,422 --> 01:01:01,850
two things down from
where we're at right now,
1272
01:01:01,850 --> 01:01:03,160
who I'm gonna spend a lotta money on
1273
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:07,090
on stuff that I could get
for free with the click
1274
01:01:08,156 --> 01:01:09,510
of a mouse, but they love it,
1275
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:11,860
they went and got it,
they made it look better,
1276
01:01:13,346 --> 01:01:14,839
and I'm gonna support them.
1277
01:01:14,839 --> 01:01:17,175
- And that's what people
want it to be right now,
1278
01:01:17,175 --> 01:01:19,850
especially in physical
media, collector medias,
1279
01:01:19,850 --> 01:01:24,344
because this, they wanna
have something to hold
1280
01:01:24,344 --> 01:01:27,090
and cherish, and they don't
have to, they don't want it
1281
01:01:27,090 --> 01:01:28,960
to be reliant, to be on a file
1282
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:33,370
or a computer screen or at
the mercy of, will Netflix
1283
01:01:33,370 --> 01:01:34,833
carry it this month or not.
1284
01:01:36,030 --> 01:01:37,240
They want something in their hand,
1285
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,940
they want it to look as good as possible.
1286
01:01:39,940 --> 01:01:42,040
- And I think we're all getting
rewarded in the long run
1287
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,930
because we're seeing these movies.
1288
01:01:44,930 --> 01:01:47,340
I always like to picture
like, wow, I'm seeing
1289
01:01:49,489 --> 01:01:52,660
Fulci's Don't Torture a Duckling
1290
01:01:52,660 --> 01:01:54,353
the way it looked through
the eyes of people
1291
01:01:54,353 --> 01:01:55,990
in a theater in the '70s.
1292
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:57,210
It had to look this clean.
1293
01:01:57,210 --> 01:01:59,280
- I would like it to be as pristine
1294
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,330
and perfect as I tried to make it.
1295
01:02:02,330 --> 01:02:04,870
- We have these boutique
companies, we have Scream Factory,
1296
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:07,190
Shout Factory, Vinegar
Syndrome, all these awesome
1297
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:08,870
companies that are bringing these out,
1298
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:10,670
hopefully they'll get
around to a lotta these ones
1299
01:02:10,670 --> 01:02:12,720
that really deserve that kinda treatment.
1300
01:02:17,210 --> 01:02:19,330
- It's not even about cult movies anymore,
1301
01:02:19,330 --> 01:02:21,420
but now we have cult labels.
1302
01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:24,860
There is literally
specific labels that will
1303
01:02:24,860 --> 01:02:28,320
put out a group of
movies, and you kind of,
1304
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,830
you kinda get a sense of what kinda movies
1305
01:02:30,830 --> 01:02:32,140
that label will put out.
1306
01:02:32,140 --> 01:02:33,503
So for example,
1307
01:02:34,780 --> 01:02:38,020
Arrow, which is a UK
company now doing a lot of
1308
01:02:38,020 --> 01:02:41,890
stuff here in America, will do stuff like,
1309
01:02:41,890 --> 01:02:44,410
The Hills Have Eyes Special Edition,
1310
01:02:44,410 --> 01:02:47,210
along with the Hellraiser collection,
1311
01:02:47,210 --> 01:02:49,150
which came out not too long ago.
1312
01:02:49,150 --> 01:02:52,180
Kino Lorber's great because
they'll put out something
1313
01:02:52,180 --> 01:02:54,513
like Highway to Hell,
like some cult movie,
1314
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:58,750
and then at the same time,
1315
01:02:58,750 --> 01:02:59,773
where are they?
1316
01:03:00,730 --> 01:03:03,420
They're hidden there, they'll
do the FX movies, for example.
1317
01:03:03,420 --> 01:03:06,570
Or Rolling Thunder, from Shout Factory,
1318
01:03:06,570 --> 01:03:08,720
one of the best cult movies of all time.
1319
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:09,950
Then you have people like Severin.
1320
01:03:09,950 --> 01:03:13,480
Severin will do everything
form Richard Stanley's
1321
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,993
kinda masterpiece, if you will,
1322
01:03:17,694 --> 01:03:18,527
to
1323
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,630
WTF cinema like Burial Ground,
1324
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:26,570
which you must see to believe.
1325
01:03:26,570 --> 01:03:29,040
Blue Underground is another great company.
1326
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,160
Headed up by Bill Lustig, the director
1327
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:33,920
of Maniac Cop and Maniac.
1328
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,070
And he's put out stuff
like these Bronx Warriors
1329
01:03:36,070 --> 01:03:39,040
collections, which is ridiculous.
1330
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:40,460
Bless them for doing that.
1331
01:03:40,460 --> 01:03:41,960
I love Synapse.
1332
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,500
They are a great company,
and for some reason,
1333
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:48,300
the collector in us will
get these steel books.
1334
01:03:48,300 --> 01:03:52,500
So you can own Demons One
and Two, Steel Book Edition.
1335
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:54,810
Now Vestron video is
getting in on the game,
1336
01:03:54,810 --> 01:03:57,060
so there's things like Parents coming out.
1337
01:03:57,060 --> 01:04:00,350
- You wanna be like the
person to find like the next
1338
01:04:00,350 --> 01:04:04,420
Roar or Mutilator or
Blood Rage or whatever,
1339
01:04:04,420 --> 01:04:08,060
where you can really put
that out and then suddenly
1340
01:04:08,060 --> 01:04:11,380
it can be this new,
sort of cult experience.
1341
01:04:11,380 --> 01:04:13,100
The Visitor is a great of example of that,
1342
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:16,540
where that had been under the
radar for such a long time
1343
01:04:16,540 --> 01:04:18,790
and then Drafthouse put it
out, and everyone's like,
1344
01:04:18,790 --> 01:04:22,780
holy shit, Sam Peckinpah and
John Huston and Franco Nero
1345
01:04:22,780 --> 01:04:24,450
are in this like weird
1346
01:04:24,450 --> 01:04:28,850
sort of like Omen-Jesus-Exorcist ripoff.
1347
01:04:28,850 --> 01:04:30,510
- I'm not like David Lynch.
1348
01:04:30,510 --> 01:04:33,967
I don't know if you've ever
seen the David Lynch interview.
1349
01:04:33,967 --> 01:04:38,820
- It's just the most
sickening, horrifying joke,
1350
01:04:38,820 --> 01:04:42,460
and this world is so troubled, and
1351
01:04:44,010 --> 01:04:47,720
it's such a sadness that
you think you've seen
1352
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,650
a film on your fucking telephone.
1353
01:04:51,650 --> 01:04:53,370
Get real.
1354
01:04:53,370 --> 01:04:55,923
- On your fucking phone.
1355
01:04:57,540 --> 01:05:00,653
And he's like really upset about it.
1356
01:05:03,100 --> 01:05:04,380
I don't feel that way.
1357
01:05:04,380 --> 01:05:07,270
I do feel like, people who have never seen
1358
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:11,600
a 35-millimeter print sometimes lose,
1359
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,640
sometimes lose an experience
that they could have.
1360
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,560
- Yeah, I mean, that's the
thing is, if you can get
1361
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,350
to see some of these
films with an audience
1362
01:05:19,350 --> 01:05:23,220
at a revival screening, there's
something magical about it.
1363
01:05:23,220 --> 01:05:24,730
That's how I discover a lotta stuff.
1364
01:05:24,730 --> 01:05:26,960
The New Beverly here in Los
Angeles, I think it's like
1365
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,010
Tuesday nights is their Grindhouse night,
1366
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:32,570
and sometimes they'll show
you movies that you cannot get
1367
01:05:32,570 --> 01:05:34,170
in any other way, shape or form.
1368
01:05:34,170 --> 01:05:37,580
They're not on DVD, or
the VHS's are long gone,
1369
01:05:37,580 --> 01:05:39,860
but they're showing
35-millimeter or 16-millimeter
1370
01:05:39,860 --> 01:05:42,590
prints of it, and there's
something special about
1371
01:05:42,590 --> 01:05:44,360
seeing cult movies that way.
1372
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,760
So there's still ways to even, you know,
1373
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,370
not every movie will always be available.
1374
01:05:50,370 --> 01:05:53,050
So even though there's this
glut of companies putting out
1375
01:05:53,050 --> 01:05:55,020
cult movies, there's always gems
1376
01:05:55,020 --> 01:05:57,090
and things to be discovered.
1377
01:05:57,090 --> 01:05:59,950
- If you have a local theater that shows
1378
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,250
Grindhouse movies or
exploitation or cult movies
1379
01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:05,950
or little-known movies where
you have a chance to just go in
1380
01:06:05,950 --> 01:06:07,193
and see something blind,
1381
01:06:08,940 --> 01:06:10,840
you absolutely should support
that and take advantage
1382
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,960
of that, because there's nothing
1383
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,380
more thrilling than sitting
in a darkened theater,
1384
01:06:16,380 --> 01:06:17,960
not knowing what you're gonna get
1385
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,410
and then all of a sudden
you're just blindsided
1386
01:06:20,410 --> 01:06:23,220
by some insanity that you had
no idea was gonna come at you.
1387
01:06:23,220 --> 01:06:25,010
- I like to go to the theater.
1388
01:06:25,010 --> 01:06:28,060
Because sitting at home
watching movies is great,
1389
01:06:28,060 --> 01:06:29,370
I love hanging out with Adrian.
1390
01:06:29,370 --> 01:06:31,110
We watch movies and it's
great, we just kick it
1391
01:06:31,110 --> 01:06:32,700
on the couch and it's comfortable,
1392
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:34,130
but there's something about
the theater experience
1393
01:06:34,130 --> 01:06:37,650
that when you go, it's
not just the big screen,
1394
01:06:37,650 --> 01:06:40,950
it's the crowd reactions,
it's the people around you.
1395
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:42,590
If it's a scary movie
or it's an action movie
1396
01:06:42,590 --> 01:06:44,020
or if it's something crazy
and people are yelling
1397
01:06:44,020 --> 01:06:46,860
and screaming, it just adds
to the experience of the film,
1398
01:06:46,860 --> 01:06:48,110
in my opinion, and that's something
1399
01:06:48,110 --> 01:06:50,200
I don't think will go away.
1400
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,850
- It comes back to it
being a people industry.
1401
01:06:52,850 --> 01:06:55,690
It has to be, you have to get up, go out,
1402
01:06:55,690 --> 01:06:59,033
it has to be a cultural event,
and you can't download that.
1403
01:06:59,870 --> 01:07:02,370
You can binge watch certain
things, but even then,
1404
01:07:03,220 --> 01:07:04,723
that's not even by design.
1405
01:07:05,688 --> 01:07:08,873
The internet is designed to
give you access to something.
1406
01:07:10,110 --> 01:07:12,980
But unlike a theater or a place like this,
1407
01:07:12,980 --> 01:07:16,690
it can't control how that
access is presented to you.
1408
01:07:16,690 --> 01:07:18,710
- I think maybe you could
make room for both things
1409
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:19,880
in your life, you know.
1410
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,890
It's not always one
thing or another thing.
1411
01:07:22,890 --> 01:07:24,053
It doesn't have to be.
1412
01:07:27,460 --> 01:07:29,720
I do try to make the
1413
01:07:30,690 --> 01:07:35,563
home environment as close to
like a theater as you can.
1414
01:07:36,460 --> 01:07:38,900
But it's still not the
same as seeing with people.
1415
01:07:38,900 --> 01:07:39,800
- It is
1416
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,310
that communal, sacred,
1417
01:07:43,310 --> 01:07:45,203
here's our church kinda feeling.
1418
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,840
But, all those movies
that I rented on VHS,
1419
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,490
I didn't watch it with an audience,
1420
01:07:51,490 --> 01:07:53,890
I watched it by myself, you know.
1421
01:07:53,890 --> 01:07:55,890
Usually by myself, because
the only way I could get
1422
01:07:55,890 --> 01:07:58,900
privacy in my house was to watch a movie.
1423
01:07:58,900 --> 01:08:00,890
I could say to my
parents, I rented a movie,
1424
01:08:00,890 --> 01:08:02,410
and they'd be like, all
right, don't bother Jack,
1425
01:08:02,410 --> 01:08:03,510
he's watching a movie.
1426
01:08:05,170 --> 01:08:06,003
So,
1427
01:08:07,780 --> 01:08:09,250
I mean who cares if it's
1428
01:08:10,980 --> 01:08:13,960
spooling in a VHS player or if it's
1429
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,670
streaming online?
1430
01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:18,750
- I would say this age
that we live in with regard
1431
01:08:18,750 --> 01:08:22,510
to the speed at which you can see, view,
1432
01:08:22,510 --> 01:08:25,853
experience content, this
fast on your smartphone,
1433
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:32,040
has very little effect on
long-term cult pictures.
1434
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,460
Because those people that
want to view things quickly,
1435
01:08:34,460 --> 01:08:37,430
will A, not wanna spend
the time to do such things,
1436
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:38,440
to look at--
1437
01:08:38,440 --> 01:08:42,702
After all, cult films
are history, takes effort
1438
01:08:42,702 --> 01:08:45,930
to study history, you have to want it.
1439
01:08:45,930 --> 01:08:48,540
- So the discovery isn't
there, and that's a bummer,
1440
01:08:48,540 --> 01:08:50,040
but all that takes really is a little bit
1441
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,823
of self-discipline, right,
that's on you, the viewer.
1442
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,710
The paralyzation of choice
isn't the choices' fault.
1443
01:08:57,710 --> 01:08:59,630
It's your fault, and it's my fault.
1444
01:08:59,630 --> 01:09:01,060
I fall victim to it too.
1445
01:09:01,060 --> 01:09:03,440
You just have to be able
to sit yourself down
1446
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:05,330
and have the attention span and dedication
1447
01:09:05,330 --> 01:09:09,200
to just watch a thing that
you're unfamiliar with.
1448
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:13,220
So I think that it's,
it's a whole new world
1449
01:09:13,220 --> 01:09:15,210
but it's a positive one.
1450
01:09:15,210 --> 01:09:17,660
- Yeah, it's, I don't know
if we're gonna run out
1451
01:09:17,660 --> 01:09:21,620
of cult movies to continually discover,
1452
01:09:21,620 --> 01:09:23,563
but the way it's evolved is,
1453
01:09:25,130 --> 01:09:28,260
hmm, interesting, is that the word?
1454
01:09:28,260 --> 01:09:31,750
Here's why, because now
we're at a point where people
1455
01:09:31,750 --> 01:09:35,910
are making or going out of
their way to make cult films.
1456
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:39,000
And honestly, I can't stand that.
1457
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,440
The newer films that,
1458
01:09:42,440 --> 01:09:45,020
you know, put in that
filter to make it look like
1459
01:09:45,020 --> 01:09:48,620
it's a Grindhouse movie,
or where they're like,
1460
01:09:48,620 --> 01:09:51,580
I went for Ed Wood bad, it's like,
1461
01:09:51,580 --> 01:09:52,790
doesn't work for me at all.
1462
01:09:52,790 --> 01:09:55,420
- You know, it seems more
and more what's happening
1463
01:09:55,420 --> 01:09:59,663
is people are kind of going
into the past for cult movies.
1464
01:10:00,578 --> 01:10:03,930
And I think the future of
it is gonna from movies
1465
01:10:03,930 --> 01:10:07,850
like what Neal Breen is
doing now, where it's like,
1466
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:10,590
stuff like Fateful Findings
where it's done in this
1467
01:10:10,590 --> 01:10:13,990
very genuine way but ends
up just sort of missing
1468
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:17,616
the mark and then having this
weird back-end entertainment
1469
01:10:17,616 --> 01:10:20,230
value and becoming something
completely different.
1470
01:10:20,230 --> 01:10:24,270
I felt like a lot of the
recent sort of cult stuff
1471
01:10:24,270 --> 01:10:27,740
where they take that approach
of just trying to make
1472
01:10:27,740 --> 01:10:30,040
a cult movie just doesn't hit it.
1473
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,550
It's like they're just
hitting the wrong beats
1474
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:34,250
or going after the wrong things.
1475
01:10:34,250 --> 01:10:36,093
- If you take a movie like Sharknado.
1476
01:10:37,005 --> 01:10:40,220
And I can see that if
Sharknado was not blasted
1477
01:10:40,220 --> 01:10:43,210
on SyFy Channel and it was
just this little release movie
1478
01:10:43,210 --> 01:10:45,410
that came out in the '80s,
1479
01:10:45,410 --> 01:10:47,440
people would talk about it.
1480
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:52,440
But when kind of the light
of widestream distribution
1481
01:10:55,080 --> 01:11:00,080
kind of burns away all of
the specialness that it had.
1482
01:11:00,810 --> 01:11:02,750
- There's more, and
they're more accessible
1483
01:11:02,750 --> 01:11:04,653
and people are also cashing in on it.
1484
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,170
They think that you can
reproduce a cult film.
1485
01:11:09,170 --> 01:11:11,500
They think that you can
retro-engineer that formula.
1486
01:11:11,500 --> 01:11:15,420
So anybody with a camera
and a bottle of ketchup
1487
01:11:15,420 --> 01:11:17,500
and a fake ax thinks that
they can go out and do
1488
01:11:17,500 --> 01:11:19,440
a slasher movie, think that
they can do a horror movie.
1489
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:23,427
And therefore, you do
get some gems outta that,
1490
01:11:23,427 --> 01:11:24,750
but you end up with more junk.
1491
01:11:24,750 --> 01:11:26,870
- Whenever they're trying
to make a cult movie,
1492
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:27,760
it never works.
1493
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:32,760
It's always from, the Apple
being a great example,
1494
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:34,810
it's like they're trying make Grease
1495
01:11:34,810 --> 01:11:36,990
or something like that, and then what that
1496
01:11:36,990 --> 01:11:38,700
turns into is something very different,
1497
01:11:38,700 --> 01:11:40,580
but it's still very entertaining.
1498
01:11:40,580 --> 01:11:42,160
And you can tell because you
know they had their hearts
1499
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,380
in it and wanted to making something cool,
1500
01:11:44,380 --> 01:11:48,620
or even if they were just
blasting cocaine the whole way
1501
01:11:48,620 --> 01:11:53,030
through, it's still a
pretty unique experience.
1502
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:55,233
- [Announcer] The Apple is success.
1503
01:11:56,174 --> 01:11:57,977
♪ There ain't no crime ♪
1504
01:11:57,977 --> 01:11:59,686
♪ There ain't no shame ♪
1505
01:11:59,686 --> 01:12:01,432
♪ There ain't no sympathy ♪
1506
01:12:01,432 --> 01:12:03,277
♪ There ain't no blame ♪
1507
01:12:03,277 --> 01:12:05,294
♪ There ain't no pleasure ♪
1508
01:12:05,294 --> 01:12:06,360
♪ There ain't no pain ♪
1509
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:07,940
The Apple brings you everything.
1510
01:12:07,940 --> 01:12:10,738
- Didn't matter how silly the movie was,
1511
01:12:10,738 --> 01:12:12,680
they were gonna put their all into it.
1512
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:16,280
And that stands out, I think,
to people like Ty West,
1513
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,120
who now make these great films.
1514
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,020
It's because he recognized
the craft in these movies
1515
01:12:21,020 --> 01:12:22,223
with silly premises.
1516
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,480
Whereas again, it's like,
people nowadays have
1517
01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:27,430
a digital camera and think,
well, it doesn't matter,
1518
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:29,050
it's supposed to be bad.
1519
01:12:29,050 --> 01:12:32,643
So who cares if it doesn't
work 100%, we're going for bad.
1520
01:12:32,643 --> 01:12:35,430
- A movie like Samurai Cop,
1521
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:38,210
because it was made by a foreign director
1522
01:12:38,210 --> 01:12:40,160
who came to the United States to make
1523
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:41,890
an American action movie.
1524
01:12:41,890 --> 01:12:43,780
So through his eyes, you get his take
1525
01:12:43,780 --> 01:12:46,330
on an American action movie,
and it's just bizarre,
1526
01:12:46,330 --> 01:12:47,850
it just doesn't work.
1527
01:12:47,850 --> 01:12:49,787
I guess the same thing
would go for Birdemic,
1528
01:12:49,787 --> 01:12:52,280
and the same thing would go for
a movie called Super Fights.
1529
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,410
It's just this guy from
Hong Kong who came her
1530
01:12:55,410 --> 01:12:57,870
to make a movie about American
wrestling and this kid
1531
01:12:57,870 --> 01:13:00,130
that joins it, but
instead you just get this
1532
01:13:00,130 --> 01:13:04,170
outrageous batshit film,
and if it wasn't through
1533
01:13:04,170 --> 01:13:06,290
that lens of a foreigner trying to make
1534
01:13:06,290 --> 01:13:08,870
an American action film,
you wouldn't have it.
1535
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:13,141
- Can I say that Pieces is
a great movie, yes, it is.
1536
01:13:13,141 --> 01:13:14,940
It is a great movie.
1537
01:13:14,940 --> 01:13:18,150
- [Announcer] Pieces, it's
exactly what you think it is.
1538
01:13:18,150 --> 01:13:20,330
- Any other director that made that movie,
1539
01:13:20,330 --> 01:13:22,760
sometimes it's like the
stars align, if anybody else
1540
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,540
tried to make that
movie, it wouldn't work.
1541
01:13:24,540 --> 01:13:27,290
But because that was
made in the early '80s
1542
01:13:27,290 --> 01:13:31,500
by that director, it's
like, it just, it's magic,
1543
01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:33,610
it could never be reproduced.
1544
01:13:33,610 --> 01:13:36,920
- 10 people can make a cult
film, they can go out to say
1545
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,570
that they're going to make
a cult film, it doesn't mean
1546
01:13:39,570 --> 01:13:42,000
that their movies are
going to become cult films.
1547
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,890
The fans decide that.
1548
01:13:43,890 --> 01:13:46,860
The fans ultimately decide that.
1549
01:13:46,860 --> 01:13:50,880
I mean, marketing can
position a movie into trying
1550
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,360
to make a cult with their
posters or advertising,
1551
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:57,370
their trailers, the filmmakers
can try and scratch it up
1552
01:13:57,370 --> 01:13:59,710
and make it look Grindhouse or old school
1553
01:13:59,710 --> 01:14:02,380
or black and white or
do whatever they want,
1554
01:14:02,380 --> 01:14:06,680
but it's ultimately, the
final jury is the fans.
1555
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,210
So that's how I feel
about the new generation.
1556
01:14:09,210 --> 01:14:11,523
Step up your game, try
to make good movies,
1557
01:14:11,523 --> 01:14:14,760
because then in 10 years,
your sincerity will show off.
1558
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,220
- The fact that anyone can
make a movie is wonderful.
1559
01:14:18,220 --> 01:14:20,710
Anyone can make a painting,
anyone can write a book.
1560
01:14:20,710 --> 01:14:22,550
Now, anyone can make a movie.
1561
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:25,040
Everybody wanted to write
the Great American Novel
1562
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,460
when I was young, right?
1563
01:14:27,460 --> 01:14:30,720
Now, everyone kinda wants to
make the Great American Movie,
1564
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:32,770
and that's wonderful if they can do that.
1565
01:14:47,708 --> 01:14:50,458
(dramatic music)
1566
01:15:27,906 --> 01:15:32,239
- Mr. Pilgrim, I'm Ramona's
first evil ex-boyfriend.
1567
01:15:33,465 --> 01:15:36,215
(dramatic music)
1568
01:15:41,581 --> 01:15:45,150
- Come on, ya'll, why
you acting suspicious?
1569
01:15:45,150 --> 01:15:47,900
(dramatic music)
1570
01:15:56,290 --> 01:15:58,740
- You know, a lot of it is
just, it's like if you get
1571
01:15:58,740 --> 01:16:02,780
kinda good early word of mouth
and like the right people
1572
01:16:02,780 --> 01:16:05,822
see it and respond to it,
and if you make something
1573
01:16:05,822 --> 01:16:10,822
that's halfway decent, you can
get that kind of following.
1574
01:16:11,580 --> 01:16:14,813
Another good example of that
is The Love Witch, which,
1575
01:16:16,750 --> 01:16:19,390
it's a super-specific
thing where it's like,
1576
01:16:19,390 --> 01:16:24,390
here's this like '60s-era
drama, kind of filtered through
1577
01:16:25,794 --> 01:16:30,794
technicolor weirdness,
but it's super unique,
1578
01:16:30,850 --> 01:16:33,410
and people latched onto
it and really dug it.
1579
01:16:33,410 --> 01:16:36,100
- Blue Ruin, I watched
that and I didn't know
1580
01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:37,733
anything about it, and I'm like,
1581
01:16:38,730 --> 01:16:40,520
my God, that was so simple.
1582
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,362
What was the budget on it?
1583
01:16:42,362 --> 01:16:44,720
Oh, that was awesome, and that
goes to good storytelling.
1584
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,400
- We are blessed by the fact
you can make movies for $5,000.
1585
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:51,220
- It's all about to me, just
looking forward and what
1586
01:16:51,220 --> 01:16:53,200
we can do moving forward,
and aside from just having
1587
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,180
a conversation, I think like,
I think that that's what
1588
01:16:56,180 --> 01:17:00,420
makes to me some people like
the Soska sisters so great,
1589
01:17:00,420 --> 01:17:05,420
because here are two
amazing, intelligent women
1590
01:17:05,550 --> 01:17:08,630
who not only have an appreciation
for those older films,
1591
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:11,110
but are making modern cult
cinema in a lotta ways.
1592
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:13,260
You look at a film like American Mary,
1593
01:17:13,260 --> 01:17:17,580
and that's a film dealing
with sex and violence
1594
01:17:19,316 --> 01:17:21,630
from a very uniquely feminine perspective.
1595
01:17:21,630 --> 01:17:23,950
So to me, I think the best thing we can do
1596
01:17:23,950 --> 01:17:26,150
is encourage more viewpoints like that
1597
01:17:26,150 --> 01:17:28,960
to come and work in the medium.
1598
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,510
- The Babadook, it follows
the television show
1599
01:17:32,510 --> 01:17:36,259
Stranger Things, those
are all movies that have
1600
01:17:36,259 --> 01:17:39,860
a little bit of an ode
and a nod to some stuff
1601
01:17:39,860 --> 01:17:42,937
that's been done in the past,
but they executed it well
1602
01:17:42,937 --> 01:17:46,120
and they executed it well
enough where enough people
1603
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:50,030
saw them, saw that, and
respected it and said, oh, okay.
1604
01:17:50,030 --> 01:17:52,460
And those I think would
be what I would call
1605
01:17:52,460 --> 01:17:54,430
future cult properties.
1606
01:17:54,430 --> 01:17:56,540
- You wouldn't have said five years ago
1607
01:17:59,997 --> 01:18:04,140
that a Netflix miniseries
would influence the culture.
1608
01:18:04,140 --> 01:18:05,053
And so,
1609
01:18:07,670 --> 01:18:09,210
you can't say that some
1610
01:18:10,300 --> 01:18:11,460
horror filmmaker
1611
01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:16,700
that starts production tomorrow
1612
01:18:16,700 --> 01:18:19,970
won't influence the
culture with his vision.
1613
01:18:19,970 --> 01:18:22,940
- The movie finds the people.
1614
01:18:22,940 --> 01:18:24,920
People don't find the movie.
1615
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,140
It's like, when a certain movie comes out
1616
01:18:27,140 --> 01:18:28,730
and the word of mouth starts,
1617
01:18:28,730 --> 01:18:31,850
oh, yeah, I have to go see
that, and someone else says,
1618
01:18:31,850 --> 01:18:33,260
yeah, you should go see that.
1619
01:18:33,260 --> 01:18:35,140
Well I never heard of it, well go try it.
1620
01:18:35,140 --> 01:18:38,770
And I think the movie
that makes people say that
1621
01:18:38,770 --> 01:18:40,310
can become the cult movie.
1622
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:43,810
- One thing that Rupert Murdoch
doesn't have, word of mouth.
1623
01:18:43,810 --> 01:18:46,700
If you make something
good, people will say,
1624
01:18:46,700 --> 01:18:49,410
no matter how much
money Rupert Murdoch has
1625
01:18:49,410 --> 01:18:53,160
or Sumner Myerson has, they
cannot buy word of mouth.
1626
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:54,170
Right, they can't.
1627
01:18:54,170 --> 01:18:56,990
They can spend $200 million to promote
1628
01:18:58,260 --> 01:19:00,503
Harley Gen or whatever the thing is,
1629
01:19:01,610 --> 01:19:05,270
Suicide Squad, but they can't
create good word of mouth.
1630
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:07,140
It's impossible, they can't do it.
1631
01:19:07,140 --> 01:19:10,250
- As far as like what the
permanent future of it is,
1632
01:19:10,250 --> 01:19:13,400
it's just impossible to predict.
1633
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:17,700
Back in 2005, no one would
have predicted that The Room
1634
01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:19,340
would have become what it did,
1635
01:19:19,340 --> 01:19:21,610
where it's this like cult monster.
1636
01:19:21,610 --> 01:19:24,550
- [Announcer] Experience
this quirky new black comedy.
1637
01:19:24,550 --> 01:19:25,500
- You have my money, right?
1638
01:19:25,500 --> 01:19:29,878
- I treat you like a princess,
and you stab me in the back.
1639
01:19:29,878 --> 01:19:32,150
You are tearing me apart, Lisa!
1640
01:19:32,150 --> 01:19:35,340
- I think those movies
typically reveal themselves
1641
01:19:35,340 --> 01:19:38,610
over the decades, and the
further we get away from them
1642
01:19:38,610 --> 01:19:41,590
in time and seeing what
sticks and what doesn't.
1643
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:43,070
- So I think it's a wonderful age.
1644
01:19:43,070 --> 01:19:45,670
This age that's coming up,
probably gonna be terrific.
1645
01:19:45,670 --> 01:19:47,380
They'll be, you're just gonna have to,
1646
01:19:47,380 --> 01:19:51,520
you, as the lover of
movies, are gonna have to go
1647
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,930
and find them, and there
are plenty of people
1648
01:19:54,930 --> 01:19:56,886
who will direct you to them.
1649
01:19:56,886 --> 01:19:59,460
- Whether it's a fan film
that's come out or some
1650
01:19:59,460 --> 01:20:02,980
short video that a kid
made, sharing of videos,
1651
01:20:02,980 --> 01:20:07,450
sharing of new filmmakers'
visions, so easy now,
1652
01:20:07,450 --> 01:20:09,560
and you can talk to anybody.
1653
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:13,830
So that aspect alone has
completely changed the landscape.
1654
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:16,290
It really has democratized
indy filmmaking.
1655
01:20:16,290 --> 01:20:20,410
I don't think we've even seen, like,
1656
01:20:20,410 --> 01:20:23,270
we haven't even gotten to the
limits of what's possible yet.
1657
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:25,843
With handheld devices and social media.
1658
01:20:27,743 --> 01:20:30,661
Hollywood should be scared shitless.
1659
01:20:30,661 --> 01:20:33,244
(upbeat music)
1660
01:20:47,264 --> 01:20:48,360
- But I always have this problem.
1661
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:49,923
I always watch garbage anyway.
1662
01:20:51,730 --> 01:20:54,200
And I end up, when I
know I should be watching
1663
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:55,990
a Manchester at Sea, I end up watching
1664
01:20:55,990 --> 01:20:57,813
Suburban Sasquatch instead.
1665
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:02,643
- Swan, this was scored for
a chick, I'm not doing it.
1666
01:21:04,367 --> 01:21:05,870
And he goes, yep, that's pretty good.
1667
01:21:05,870 --> 01:21:09,810
- I thought movies were dumb
because they weren't real.
1668
01:21:09,810 --> 01:21:11,720
And how did I know that
movies weren't real?
1669
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,938
It's because no one went to
the bathroom in the movie.
1670
01:21:14,938 --> 01:21:17,570
- [Producer] There it is, B.J., one.
1671
01:21:17,570 --> 01:21:20,973
Monitor, all right, that's how it's done.
1672
01:21:21,958 --> 01:21:22,913
- I thought you had slates.
1673
01:21:24,477 --> 01:21:26,950
- [Producer] That is not how it's done.
1674
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:28,800
That is not how it's done at all.
1675
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,157
(laughing)
1676
01:21:30,157 --> 01:21:30,990
- Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz,
1677
01:21:30,990 --> 01:21:32,990
along with her friends
on the Yellow Brick Road,
1678
01:21:32,990 --> 01:21:35,840
never went to make some yellow.
1679
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,450
They never went to go to the bathroom.
1680
01:21:38,450 --> 01:21:40,990
- Heart, blood, sweat,
1681
01:21:40,990 --> 01:21:44,150
semen, sometimes that's
not yours, but hey,
1682
01:21:44,150 --> 01:21:45,490
that's filmmaking.
1683
01:21:45,490 --> 01:21:48,545
- [Interviewer] Favorite '80s action film.
1684
01:21:48,545 --> 01:21:49,378
- Hmmm.
1685
01:21:50,850 --> 01:21:52,787
Does it have to be a cult movie?
1686
01:21:53,870 --> 01:21:54,703
Predator.
1687
01:21:55,580 --> 01:21:58,840
- [Interviewer] Favorite '90s action.
1688
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:00,040
- Predator Two (laughs).
1689
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:04,160
- When do they go to the
bathroom was the question
1690
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,180
I always asked my parents.
1691
01:22:06,180 --> 01:22:07,900
When do they go to the bathroom?
1692
01:22:07,900 --> 01:22:09,443
This movie is bullshit.
1693
01:22:10,860 --> 01:22:13,933
- Yeah, I'd take that back, I
think Twilight is a cult film.
1694
01:22:16,034 --> 01:22:18,150
(laughing)
1695
01:22:18,150 --> 01:22:19,720
- [Interviewer] That's the
part that's in the trailer.
1696
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,437
That's the first line of the trailer.
1697
01:22:21,437 --> 01:22:23,013
- I stand by that.
1698
01:22:23,013 --> 01:22:23,846
- [Interviewer] That's a cult film.
1699
01:22:23,846 --> 01:22:24,943
- I hate it, but.
1700
01:22:26,210 --> 01:22:27,452
- [Interviewer] Titty movie.
1701
01:22:27,452 --> 01:22:28,285
(laughing)
1702
01:22:28,285 --> 01:22:31,650
Name your favorite titty movie.
1703
01:22:31,650 --> 01:22:33,220
- Stripes.
1704
01:22:33,220 --> 01:22:34,640
- This is the normal ice cream man.
1705
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:38,499
There's another dude who
does this neighborhood,
1706
01:22:38,499 --> 01:22:40,683
and all he has is a sonar.
1707
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,070
It's this creepy truck and it just does
1708
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:45,247
this like (imitates sonar).
1709
01:22:48,233 --> 01:22:49,870
And then you see kids all
coming out of their houses
1710
01:22:49,870 --> 01:22:51,596
like zombies, like.
1711
01:22:51,596 --> 01:22:53,130
(laughing)
1712
01:22:53,130 --> 01:22:57,260
- And this is the record
store clerk coming out, too.
1713
01:22:57,260 --> 01:22:59,977
Whatever this is, this
need to define things.
1714
01:22:59,977 --> 01:23:02,360
And this need to categorize
things, so you know what
1715
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:04,440
section of the store to go find it.
1716
01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:07,410
That's all it is, and it's
all left over from that,
1717
01:23:07,410 --> 01:23:09,650
from that time when we need to be like,
1718
01:23:09,650 --> 01:23:13,184
now would that be in comedy,
or would that be in musical?
1719
01:23:13,184 --> 01:23:16,790
It's that, it's all that leftover,
1720
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:20,380
and when I say record store
clerk, I do mean asshole.
1721
01:23:20,380 --> 01:23:22,880
- Ask anybody in charge of
the accounting of that thing,
1722
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:24,130
it didn't really make money.
1723
01:23:24,130 --> 01:23:25,890
But can you make another one?
1724
01:23:25,890 --> 01:23:27,020
Why you wanna make another one?
1725
01:23:27,020 --> 01:23:28,590
I thought it didn't really make any money.
1726
01:23:28,590 --> 01:23:31,150
Well, well, you know, but you love it.
1727
01:23:31,150 --> 01:23:33,430
The fans love it, and
they're really fun to make.
1728
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:36,120
Yeah, really fun to make, like.
1729
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,850
This is where you cut to a
shot of ulcers in my stomach.
1730
01:23:40,895 --> 01:23:42,350
- So my father, at the
age of five years old,
1731
01:23:42,350 --> 01:23:44,913
takes me to see 2001: A Space Odyssey.
1732
01:23:45,850 --> 01:23:47,350
And what happens in that film?
1733
01:23:49,170 --> 01:23:50,530
They go to the bathroom.
1734
01:23:50,530 --> 01:23:53,093
Dr. Flynn goes into that room, right?
1735
01:23:54,110 --> 01:23:56,660
And there's the instructions
of him going to the bathroom,
1736
01:23:56,660 --> 01:23:58,773
and it scared me.
1737
01:23:58,773 --> 01:24:01,356
(upbeat music)
1738
01:24:23,128 --> 01:24:27,374
♪ In my bad dream, baby ♪
1739
01:24:27,374 --> 01:24:32,079
♪ You're giving up on me and you ♪
1740
01:24:32,079 --> 01:24:37,079
♪ It's just like magic, baby ♪
1741
01:24:37,196 --> 01:24:42,053
♪ Gotta make my dreams come true ♪
1742
01:24:42,053 --> 01:24:44,636
(upbeat music)
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