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MICHAEL: Machiavelli said,
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"The reason there
will be no change
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"is because the people
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"who stand to lose
from change
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"have all the power,
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"and the people who stand
to gain from change
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have none of the power."
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Machiavelli...
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was describing
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the global aid system today.
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MICHAEL: So as we talk
about development,
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we have to talk about
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who has the power
and who should have it.
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( metal grinding )
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Hello.
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MAGATTE:
There's a certain paradigm
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in which we try
to help the poor,
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and it comes with
underlying assumptions
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and images
about poor people.
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It comes from a good heart.
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( children singing )
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They give us food.
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They bring us shoes.
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They dig us wells.
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They encourage
others to give.
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Give now
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and lives
will be saved.
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Thank you.
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BONO: We're gonna end
extreme poverty,
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we're gonna make
poverty history,
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that's what's fallen
to us to do.
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The problem is,
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it does not work.
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DANIEL:
The way that we help the poor
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needs to change.
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MAGATTE: Everybody knows it.
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It's failed everywhere
it's been tried.
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MAGATTE:
Everybody talks about it.
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BONO: Paternalism,
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the old way we did development,
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is no match for partnership.
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And yet...
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the icons of charity
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remain the same.
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It's not simply
foreign aid
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or religious charity
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or NGOs
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or social entrepreneurs.
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The rich
patronize the poor.
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The poor resent
the rich.
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Every 10 or 20 years
we try something new,
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and then...
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10 or 20 years later,
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we look back.
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What we find
is that we're looking
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at the same broken system.
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The name of the system
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is paternalism.
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* It's Christmas time *
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* There's no need *
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* To be afraid
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* At Christmas time
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* We let in light
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* And we banish shade
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MAGATTE: The Christmas song
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raised awareness,
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and it was in response
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to a particular crisis.
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I understand that.
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But it also perpetuates
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a false image
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of Africa as barren
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and a sentimental image
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of Africans
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as helpless
and dependent.
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* Oh
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* Where nothing
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* Ever grows
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* No rain or rivers flow
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* Do they know
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* It's Christmas time *
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* At all?
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* Oh
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FINN: * It's Christmas time *
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* There's no need
to be afraid... *
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MAGATTE: And here we are,
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a generation later,
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and the same song,
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the same images are back.
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With the same lyrics,
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the same silliness
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of Africa
not having any rain,
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not having any river,
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and us Africans
not knowing
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that it's Christmas time.
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People are taking these songs
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so to heart,
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and the Glee generation
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are taking songs like
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"Do They Know It's Christmas?"
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and reimagining them.
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and rearranging them
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and, you know,
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doing their thing to them,
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and that gives new life
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to that idea.
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It makes me very happy indeed.
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* And there won't be snow *
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* In Africa
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* This Christmas time
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* This Christmas time, no
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MAGATTE: What makes Bono
happy about this?
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By now, Bono
should know better.
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HERMAN: The international media
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keeps telling Africans
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and their locals that,
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"Oh, Africa is poor,
Africa is poor,
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Africa is poor."
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Africa has always been
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a reservoir for resources
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for the rest of the world.
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The countries
they are calling poor
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are oil-rich,
diamond-rich,
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timber rich,
and land-rich,
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and gold-rich,
and they are in good locations
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for tourism.
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The people here
are not stupid.
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They're just disconnected
from global trade, that's all.
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* Feed the world
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* Let them know
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* It's Christmas time *
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* And feed...
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* The world
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* Let them know
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* It's Christmas time *
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* And feed the world
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BILL: Since 1981,
the United States
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has followed a policy
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until last year
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so we started
rethinking it,
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thatwe rich countries
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that produce a lot of food
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should sell it to poor countries
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and relieve them of the burden
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of producing their own food,
so thank goodness
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they can leap directly
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into the industrial era.
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It has not worked.
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It may have been good for some
of my farmers in Arkansas,
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but it has not worked.
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It was a mistake.
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It was a mistake
that I was a party to.
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I am not pointing
the finger at anybody.
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I did that,
I have to live every day
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with the consequences
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of the lost capacity
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to produce a rice crop in Haiti
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to feed those people.
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Because of what I did,
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nobody else.
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Everybody talks about rice
because it's a famous example.
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NARRATOR: Timothy Schwartz
is an anthropologist
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who has spent the past 20 years
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working in Haiti.
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He has consulted with USAID,
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The World Bank,
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and multinational charities
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like CARE and World Vision.
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He chronicled
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his experiences in his book,
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Travesty in Haiti:
A True Account
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of Christian Missions,
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Orphanages, Food Aid,
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Fraud, and Drug Trafficking.
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TIMOTHY: In the early '80s,
when we were able
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to force Haiti
or convince Haiti
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to reduce their tariff
to three percent,
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which meant that
U.S. rice was coming in,
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but was already subsidized,
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the levels would vary
from 35% to 100%.
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So, the Haitian
rice producer had to compete
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with subsidized U.S. rice
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produced by agro-industry.
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MARCELA: Agricultural subsidies
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are a huge distortion
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for world markets,
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particularly the poor.
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They happen because...
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local interests
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want to protect
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their markets,
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and they do that
at the expense
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of other countries
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that don't have
the same power
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to negotiate
the bilateral agreements
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with large powers
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like the U.S.
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ANDREAS: What the companies
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in the rich countries do
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is they lobby
their governments and say,
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"We need to have protection
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from competitors
from poor countries,"
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so they block them out,
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first with tariffs
and import duties,
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and then they ask
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their government
for subsidies
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so they can
produce more.
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Then they produce
a surplus,
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and guess what they do
with the surplus?
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The surplus goes
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and is dumped
into a poor country.
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So what we end up doing
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is destroying
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the local market
and destroying
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the very companies
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that we first
blocked out
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of our market.
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JACOB:
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FARMER:
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FARMER:
( speaking foreign language )
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FARMER:
( speaking foreign language )
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FARMER:
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( indistinct chatter )
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JOEL: When you go to Haiti
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or you see--I mean,
it breaks your heart.
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You see people,
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impoverished people are hungry.
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That is primarily
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either a distribution
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or an indigenous
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lack of production.
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NARRATOR: Joel Salatin
is a third-generation
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Virginia farmer
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whose Polyface Farm
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has been featured
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in National Geographic,
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The New York Times,
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and Michael Pollan's
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The Omnivore's Dilemma.
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Salatin's books
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argue for the virtues
of sustainable biomimicry
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and increased localized
food production.
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JOEL: A few years ago,
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when I was a U.S. delegate
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to Terra Madre,
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which was the big international
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Slow Food convivium
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in Turin, Italy.
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When I wasn't speaking,
I went...
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and attended as many
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of the African
delegation speakers
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as I possibly could.
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What each
of these delegates
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said was,
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"You Americans...
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"butt out.
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"We don't need
your foreign aid.
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We can feed ourselves."
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And they would list
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these wonderful
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perennial
nut-bearing trees
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and things
that had now
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been cut down
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because of cheap
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Western dumping,
foreign aid,
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into those cultures,
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which depressed the price
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of their locally
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produced food,
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and here we are poor
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and we're not
feeding ourselves,
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not because we can't,
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but because...
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this Western dumping.
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KENNETH:
In the '80s, Haiti was...
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self-sufficient in rice.
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That is true.
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In the '80s,
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we ate rice twice,
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at the most three times
a week.
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Rice was...
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a luxury item.
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The farmer
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was producing other
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and a more balanced
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nutritional system
that was
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some sort
of a Haitian culture.
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When they started flooding
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the Haitian market
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with subsidized rice,
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what actually
happened is that
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rice became
a cheaper commodity,
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and rice has become
the center
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of the eating habit.
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From three times a week,
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now we're consuming rice
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three times a day,
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seven days a week.
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People eat rice
for breakfast,
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for lunch,
and for dinner,
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because rice
has become so cheap
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but it has become
so cheap
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because it was subsidized.
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TIMOTHY: And none of that
was an accident.
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They knew very well
in Congress,
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and you read the minutes
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and people have
written about this
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and I wrote about
it in Travesty.
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They would say
this in Congress,
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"We wanna turn Haiti
into the Taiwan
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of the Caribbean."
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So you had a,
kind of, a marriage.
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The food lobby,
the U .S. farmers
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who wanted to sell
more products
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so Haiti could be
shifted into
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a consumer of U.S.
agricultural products,
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it's good for us.
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Then you had the offshore
venture capitalists
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who wanted to promote
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industry in this--
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in the urban areas.
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They argued it
was good for Haiti
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because it gives people jobs.
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And then you had a third
partner in this,
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and that was
the conservationists,
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because Haiti, with the--
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with the erosion
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and the deforestation,
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was considered
a serious problem,
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a serious ecological problem
for the entire region.
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You've got runoff
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in the mountains,
erosion,
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you know, dirt going
into the ocean,
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smothering the reefs,
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so we need to get
the peasants off the hills
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with their inefficient
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hillside farming
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of beans and corn.
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We get them out
of the mountains
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and down into the cities
and working in the factories
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so we can preserve
the mountains,
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trees can grow back.
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So it's this nice
little picture
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of all three, you know,
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conservationists,
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and offshore
venture capitalists
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who are promoting factories,
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and the U.S.
farm lobby.
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And what beautiful logic.
I mean, it could--
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come on, you step back.
How can you argue with it?
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REPORTER: What brought about
the change in your thinking
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to have you issue
your apology the other day
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about the food policies?
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We genuinely thought
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we were helping Haiti
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when we...
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restored President Aristide,
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made a commitment to help
rebuild the infrastructure
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through the Army Corps
of Engineers there,
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and do a lot of other things,
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and we made this
devil's bargain on rice,
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and it wasn't
the right thing to do.
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DANIEL: Think about it.
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If you are in
the countryside,
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you used to farm
and you used
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to produce rice
competitively,
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now there's a cheap
rice coming in
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and you don't have
anything to do there.
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KENNETH: Because farmers
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could not make a living outside
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in the rural area,
they moved in
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00:15:06,539 --> 00:15:07,707
looking for better days
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into Port-au-Prince,
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and we overbuilt slums.
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And what it did
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is it actually
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created more poverty.
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TIMOTHY: I'm not saying
they were wrong. I'm not saying
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it was--and it wasn't--
it certainly wasn't evil,
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00:15:22,422 --> 00:15:24,891
but the side effects
of this plan,
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this social engineering
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that came from the North,
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was massive slums
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built with concrete
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00:15:31,131 --> 00:15:33,133
and poorly constructed.
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On a fault line.
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MAN: This is CNN, Breaking News.
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ANDERSON: If you're--
if you're just joining us
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we are following
the breaking news out of Haiti,
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the largest most
powerful earthquake
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in the region's history
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00:15:46,013 --> 00:15:47,080
has crippled the country,
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00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,681
measuring 7.0.
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00:15:48,681 --> 00:15:50,950
Its epicenter was just
a few miles outside
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00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:52,652
the capital,
Port-au-Prince.
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( music playing )
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DANIEL:
It hit when I was on the road.
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00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:05,065
And you think of your family,
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00:16:05,065 --> 00:16:06,233
you think of your
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00:16:06,233 --> 00:16:07,634
brothers and sisters,
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00:16:07,634 --> 00:16:09,002
and that night
412
00:16:09,002 --> 00:16:10,270
was a nightmare.
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00:16:11,404 --> 00:16:12,905
The next morning
we woke up
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00:16:12,905 --> 00:16:14,707
and the whole place
415
00:16:14,707 --> 00:16:15,775
was down,
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00:16:15,775 --> 00:16:17,944
especially downtown was--
417
00:16:17,944 --> 00:16:20,080
had the effect of a bomb.
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00:16:22,615 --> 00:16:24,884
After the earthquake
there was a lot of needs.
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00:16:24,884 --> 00:16:26,653
It was good that
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00:16:26,653 --> 00:16:28,721
people came in
and start helping.
421
00:16:28,721 --> 00:16:30,123
The problem is that
422
00:16:30,123 --> 00:16:31,658
the short-term
natural disaster
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00:16:31,658 --> 00:16:32,825
turned into a long-term
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unnatural disaster.
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00:16:37,897 --> 00:16:40,600
( indistinct chatter )
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ANDREAS:
When that earthquake hit,
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00:16:46,306 --> 00:16:47,407
there is no question,
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it's a human non-negotiable,
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00:16:49,342 --> 00:16:51,511
to go in there
and help at any cost,
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00:16:51,511 --> 00:16:53,980
except that once
you are in that
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00:16:53,980 --> 00:16:55,248
feeling of helping people,
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00:16:55,248 --> 00:16:56,316
it actually makes us
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00:16:56,316 --> 00:16:57,984
feel good to help,
434
00:16:57,984 --> 00:16:59,752
to be Superman,
to show up
435
00:16:59,752 --> 00:17:01,221
and save somebody,
436
00:17:01,221 --> 00:17:02,622
and then we don't let go.
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00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:06,793
CORRIGAN:
When the January 12th earthquake
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hit in 2010,
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00:17:08,395 --> 00:17:10,530
this individual from Thailand
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00:17:10,530 --> 00:17:12,332
had emailed
441
00:17:12,332 --> 00:17:15,235
because he had
gone through
442
00:17:15,235 --> 00:17:17,937
the tsunami
in Thailand,
443
00:17:17,937 --> 00:17:19,539
and he said, you know,
444
00:17:19,539 --> 00:17:21,241
"I'm so glad
that you survived
445
00:17:21,241 --> 00:17:22,542
"this national disaster.
446
00:17:22,542 --> 00:17:24,211
"I'm just praying
that you'll survive
447
00:17:24,211 --> 00:17:26,179
the arrival of all the NGOs."
448
00:17:26,179 --> 00:17:28,148
And I didn't
really understand
449
00:17:28,148 --> 00:17:29,749
what he meant
at the time.
450
00:17:29,749 --> 00:17:31,284
The earthquake happened
451
00:17:31,284 --> 00:17:32,852
almost three years ago now,
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00:17:32,852 --> 00:17:34,087
and there's still
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00:17:34,087 --> 00:17:35,955
free rice
being delivered,
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00:17:35,955 --> 00:17:37,023
and it's still hurting
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00:17:37,023 --> 00:17:38,258
the Haitian economy.
456
00:17:38,258 --> 00:17:40,493
It's not an emergency anymore.
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00:17:41,594 --> 00:17:44,030
DANIEL:
It is a republic of NGOs
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because there are more NGOs
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00:17:45,098 --> 00:17:46,299
per capita here
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00:17:46,299 --> 00:17:48,201
than anywhere else
in the world.
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00:17:48,201 --> 00:17:49,336
I don't have
the official number,
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00:17:49,336 --> 00:17:50,937
but they claim that
in Haiti alone
463
00:17:50,937 --> 00:17:52,805
there's 10,000 NGOs.
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00:17:52,805 --> 00:17:55,708
( music playing )
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DANIEL: The NGOs,
they do some help,
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00:18:09,989 --> 00:18:13,993
but they're trying
to find ways for them
467
00:18:13,993 --> 00:18:15,928
to keep giving away
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00:18:15,928 --> 00:18:17,864
free stuff,
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00:18:17,864 --> 00:18:20,333
as if they didn't want
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00:18:20,333 --> 00:18:22,202
the Haitians to stand up
for themselves.
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00:18:22,202 --> 00:18:24,070
Do you see what I mean?
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00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:26,206
( metal grinding )
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00:18:28,241 --> 00:18:31,144
( music playing )
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00:18:38,585 --> 00:18:39,919
JEAN-RONEL: My name
is Jean-Ronel Noel.
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00:18:39,919 --> 00:18:42,189
I am the cofounder
of ENERSA.
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00:18:42,189 --> 00:18:44,123
My partner and I,
Alex Georges,
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00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:46,025
we started in my garage
478
00:18:46,025 --> 00:18:47,360
six, seven years ago,
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00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:49,562
making small experiments
with the solar panels.
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00:18:52,299 --> 00:18:53,366
This is the raw material.
481
00:18:53,366 --> 00:18:54,801
We work them to become
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actual street lights,
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00:18:55,868 --> 00:18:56,869
solar street lights.
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JEAN-RONEL: We wanted to be part
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of something special,
486
00:19:01,441 --> 00:19:03,476
and because both of us,
we grew up in Haiti,
487
00:19:03,476 --> 00:19:06,179
so you know, we know
what the situation is.
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00:19:06,179 --> 00:19:08,281
We have plenty of sunshine,
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00:19:08,281 --> 00:19:10,183
so is there a way
that you can harvest energy
490
00:19:10,183 --> 00:19:11,951
from the sun
and to resolve
491
00:19:11,951 --> 00:19:13,286
the energy problem?
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00:19:13,286 --> 00:19:14,354
So this is something
that is
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00:19:14,354 --> 00:19:15,488
completely different,
494
00:19:15,488 --> 00:19:18,057
and it was something
completely new.
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00:19:18,057 --> 00:19:19,125
At the beginning,
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almost everybody thought,
497
00:19:20,293 --> 00:19:21,761
"Those guys
were really crazy.
498
00:19:21,761 --> 00:19:23,263
"They don't have
nothing to do?
499
00:19:23,263 --> 00:19:24,331
"Spending their time
making some experiment
500
00:19:24,331 --> 00:19:25,398
"on solar panels
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00:19:25,398 --> 00:19:27,534
and LED light bulbs?"
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And even now we come
with the product and say,
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00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:30,803
"This is Haitian-made product."
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00:19:30,803 --> 00:19:32,905
Most people,
they don't believe us.
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00:19:34,874 --> 00:19:35,842
At the beginning,
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having a five hundred
dollars contract
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00:19:38,077 --> 00:19:39,312
was great news,
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00:19:39,312 --> 00:19:40,380
because we have--
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00:19:40,380 --> 00:19:42,949
we have money
for next week.
510
00:19:42,949 --> 00:19:44,917
This is the way
we started.
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00:19:44,917 --> 00:19:46,152
Now, we have like...
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big contract
513
00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:49,356
and we have...
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62 employees right now,
515
00:19:53,326 --> 00:19:55,094
so we think we found
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00:19:55,094 --> 00:19:56,996
the right track.
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00:19:56,996 --> 00:19:58,465
( metal grinding )
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Most of the
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00:20:00,933 --> 00:20:02,502
employees we have
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00:20:02,502 --> 00:20:04,571
come from shanty towns.
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00:20:04,571 --> 00:20:06,205
Some from Cite Soleil,
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00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:09,008
some from Maissade,
Cite Castro,
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00:20:09,008 --> 00:20:11,110
you know, a very
populated area.
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00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:12,345
We train them here.
525
00:20:14,180 --> 00:20:16,383
There is no
Social Security Network
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in Haiti.
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00:20:18,551 --> 00:20:20,353
So for our workers,
we are
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the Social Security Network.
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00:20:21,954 --> 00:20:23,456
If they were not working,
530
00:20:23,456 --> 00:20:25,224
probably some of them
would be
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gang members.
532
00:20:27,093 --> 00:20:28,261
In fact,
533
00:20:28,261 --> 00:20:29,629
when we were
starting ENERSA, I mean,
534
00:20:29,629 --> 00:20:31,898
the situation was really,
really bad in Haiti.
535
00:20:31,898 --> 00:20:33,600
And some of the guys,
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they are trying
to recruit them
537
00:20:34,901 --> 00:20:36,269
to become gang members,
538
00:20:36,269 --> 00:20:38,771
I mean, they offer you
like 500 US
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00:20:38,771 --> 00:20:39,706
and a gun,
540
00:20:39,706 --> 00:20:41,007
and you are unemployed guy,
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00:20:41,007 --> 00:20:42,475
you have no future
542
00:20:42,475 --> 00:20:44,311
in this city, so that
you don't see yourself
543
00:20:44,311 --> 00:20:45,445
as part of nothing,
544
00:20:45,445 --> 00:20:46,546
so it's easy
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00:20:46,546 --> 00:20:47,647
to accept this offer.
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00:20:47,647 --> 00:20:50,350
I mean, the temptation is high.
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00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:51,551
And some of the guys
at the beginning,
548
00:20:51,551 --> 00:20:52,785
I mean, we were
really smart
549
00:20:52,785 --> 00:20:54,554
and they were
calling me and say,
550
00:20:54,554 --> 00:20:56,323
"Geez, I have no money.
I have nothing."
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00:20:56,323 --> 00:20:57,557
I said, "Don't go there,
552
00:20:57,557 --> 00:20:59,592
"don't go there,
553
00:20:59,592 --> 00:21:01,594
because you have
no future in the gang."
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00:21:01,594 --> 00:21:03,730
( machine whirring )
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JEAN-RONEL: We have installed
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00:21:06,633 --> 00:21:09,035
200 lights in Cite Soleil.
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00:21:09,035 --> 00:21:10,503
They know that ENERSA
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00:21:10,503 --> 00:21:12,138
is hiring people
from Cite Soleil,
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00:21:12,138 --> 00:21:13,340
and brought the light
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00:21:13,340 --> 00:21:15,041
to Cite Soleil.
561
00:21:15,041 --> 00:21:17,143
When you do something,
you can see the impact
562
00:21:17,143 --> 00:21:19,646
on the population
and you can say,
563
00:21:19,646 --> 00:21:21,581
"This is because of me."
564
00:21:21,581 --> 00:21:23,583
( music playing )
565
00:21:23,583 --> 00:21:25,418
MAN: * Work for your money *
566
00:21:27,086 --> 00:21:28,154
* You got to work *
567
00:21:28,154 --> 00:21:30,289
* For your pay *
568
00:21:31,257 --> 00:21:33,025
* You got to work *
569
00:21:33,025 --> 00:21:34,494
* For your children *
570
00:21:35,995 --> 00:21:37,196
* You got to work *
571
00:21:37,196 --> 00:21:38,765
* For your pay *
572
00:21:41,901 --> 00:21:43,470
FRANTZ:
( speaking foreign language )
573
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,943
-( speaking foreign language )
-( speaking foreign language )
574
00:22:30,717 --> 00:22:33,586
( speaking foreign language )
575
00:22:55,141 --> 00:22:57,577
( laughing )
576
00:22:59,546 --> 00:23:01,147
( horn honking )
577
00:23:02,615 --> 00:23:03,683
WOMAN: Sugar?
578
00:23:03,683 --> 00:23:04,951
With your coffee?
579
00:23:04,951 --> 00:23:05,985
Yes, yes, yes.
580
00:23:07,654 --> 00:23:09,021
Coffee needs to be very,
581
00:23:09,021 --> 00:23:11,223
very sweet in Haiti.
It's more like
582
00:23:11,223 --> 00:23:12,992
coffee syrup
than coffee.
583
00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:18,364
Right after the earthquake,
you had a lot
584
00:23:18,364 --> 00:23:19,566
of need for solar
585
00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:21,668
because powers
was completely out
586
00:23:21,668 --> 00:23:23,536
in Port-au-Prince.
587
00:23:23,536 --> 00:23:25,004
NGOs started to feel
588
00:23:25,004 --> 00:23:26,606
the need for solar,
589
00:23:26,606 --> 00:23:29,375
went to donors abroad
590
00:23:29,375 --> 00:23:30,677
that sent
591
00:23:31,678 --> 00:23:34,113
the solar equipment
from abroad.
592
00:23:34,113 --> 00:23:35,915
So then when we managed
593
00:23:35,915 --> 00:23:37,016
after a few weeks
594
00:23:37,016 --> 00:23:39,786
to be able to secure
the facility
595
00:23:39,786 --> 00:23:44,056
to get some production
going again,
596
00:23:44,056 --> 00:23:45,257
then the demand stopped,
597
00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:47,393
because it's hard
to compete with free.
598
00:23:47,393 --> 00:23:48,595
Because we--
when you had companies
599
00:23:48,595 --> 00:23:50,096
sending a thousand
600
00:23:50,096 --> 00:23:52,264
solar panels to Haiti
601
00:23:52,264 --> 00:23:53,533
for free,
602
00:23:53,533 --> 00:23:55,434
how are you
going to sell?
603
00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:57,069
So it comes from a--
from a good heart,
604
00:23:57,069 --> 00:23:58,004
I totally understand.
605
00:23:58,004 --> 00:23:59,371
People didn't know
that there was
606
00:23:59,371 --> 00:24:01,040
any solar available,
607
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,242
and people had
this conception that
608
00:24:03,242 --> 00:24:04,977
"Oh, in Haiti,
you know, there's nothing,
609
00:24:04,977 --> 00:24:06,412
"So I have to come
with everything,
610
00:24:06,412 --> 00:24:08,515
even with water if I want it."
611
00:24:08,515 --> 00:24:10,349
So we really suffered
612
00:24:10,349 --> 00:24:11,417
from that perception.
613
00:24:11,417 --> 00:24:13,753
( machine whirring )
614
00:24:13,753 --> 00:24:15,421
ALEX: From an average,
615
00:24:15,421 --> 00:24:16,789
before the earthquake,
616
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:18,057
of 50 street lights
617
00:24:18,057 --> 00:24:19,358
a month in average,
618
00:24:19,358 --> 00:24:22,261
we went from January to June,
619
00:24:22,261 --> 00:24:24,230
we sold 5 street lights.
620
00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:27,066
JEAN-RONEL:
After the earthquake,
621
00:24:27,066 --> 00:24:28,234
we are competing
622
00:24:28,234 --> 00:24:29,435
mostly against NGO.
623
00:24:29,435 --> 00:24:30,803
So NGOs were coming
624
00:24:30,803 --> 00:24:32,071
with their solar panels,
625
00:24:32,071 --> 00:24:33,039
solar street lights,
626
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:34,306
and they are giving them
for free.
627
00:24:34,306 --> 00:24:36,576
So what about
local businessmen?
628
00:24:36,576 --> 00:24:38,511
So what do you
expect them to do?
629
00:24:38,511 --> 00:24:39,946
MAN: Did you ever talk
to those people
630
00:24:39,946 --> 00:24:41,480
who were giving it
for free and say, "Hey,
631
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,782
what are you guys doing?"
632
00:24:42,782 --> 00:24:44,216
Oh, we met them
many times.
633
00:24:45,885 --> 00:24:47,520
Those NGOs,
they are changing
634
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,121
the mentality
of the people.
635
00:24:50,089 --> 00:24:51,791
Now you have
like a generation
636
00:24:51,791 --> 00:24:53,926
with a dependence
mentality.
637
00:24:55,461 --> 00:24:56,563
ALEX: When it becomes
638
00:24:56,563 --> 00:24:58,230
an industry of its own,
639
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:59,732
the industry of charity,
640
00:24:59,732 --> 00:25:00,867
it creates more harm
641
00:25:00,867 --> 00:25:02,802
than good to the country.
642
00:25:02,802 --> 00:25:05,304
But there are different
ways that can help.
643
00:25:05,304 --> 00:25:07,239
( indistinct chatter )
644
00:25:09,208 --> 00:25:11,210
JEAN-RONEL:
We have done experience with
645
00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:12,311
Partners Worldwide.
646
00:25:12,311 --> 00:25:13,379
They are working in Haiti,
647
00:25:13,379 --> 00:25:14,547
and these are NGO
648
00:25:14,547 --> 00:25:16,282
that support businesses.
649
00:25:16,282 --> 00:25:18,450
So they help you
650
00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:19,686
set up your business.
651
00:25:19,686 --> 00:25:21,120
They give you training,
652
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:22,655
they try to put you
on their network,
653
00:25:22,655 --> 00:25:24,657
they try to sell
your goods.
654
00:25:24,657 --> 00:25:26,058
( Speaks foreign language )
655
00:25:26,058 --> 00:25:27,393
JEAN-RONEL:
They do everything that can
656
00:25:27,393 --> 00:25:28,828
help your business grow.
657
00:25:30,496 --> 00:25:31,898
Some NGOs also are
658
00:25:31,898 --> 00:25:33,700
training technicians,
659
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:35,034
construction workers,
660
00:25:35,034 --> 00:25:36,969
mechanic guys, electricians,
661
00:25:36,969 --> 00:25:39,639
and they are giving
them possibility
662
00:25:39,639 --> 00:25:41,741
to start
their own business.
663
00:25:41,741 --> 00:25:43,509
They are teaching
them how to fish,
664
00:25:43,509 --> 00:25:45,311
not to give them
the fish every day.
665
00:25:45,311 --> 00:25:46,445
Your goal should be
666
00:25:46,445 --> 00:25:47,580
to give me
a fishing rod
667
00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:49,115
and to teach me
how to fish
668
00:25:49,115 --> 00:25:50,216
and then move out,
669
00:25:50,216 --> 00:25:51,283
but after 40 years,
670
00:25:51,283 --> 00:25:52,351
if you're still here,
671
00:25:52,351 --> 00:25:53,653
there is a problem.
672
00:25:55,655 --> 00:25:58,791
( music playing )
673
00:26:02,361 --> 00:26:04,430
NARRATOR: The current model
of development began
674
00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:05,698
in the wake of World War II,
675
00:26:05,698 --> 00:26:07,399
and the end of colonialism.
676
00:26:07,399 --> 00:26:10,102
Many believed that
one of the causes of the war
677
00:26:10,102 --> 00:26:12,872
was the catastrophic economic
condition in Europe
678
00:26:12,872 --> 00:26:14,641
in the 1930s.
679
00:26:14,641 --> 00:26:16,175
As the war came to an end,
680
00:26:16,175 --> 00:26:17,710
leading economists
681
00:26:17,710 --> 00:26:19,679
and delegates
from around the world
682
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:21,580
met in Bretton Woods,
New Hampshire
683
00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:22,749
to create organizations
684
00:26:22,749 --> 00:26:24,116
that would help stabilize
685
00:26:24,116 --> 00:26:26,753
the international
economic system.
686
00:26:28,287 --> 00:26:29,588
They formed GATT,
687
00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:30,690
the General Agreements
688
00:26:30,690 --> 00:26:31,858
on Tariffs and Trade,
689
00:26:31,858 --> 00:26:34,593
later to become the WTO,
690
00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:36,328
the International Monetary Fund
691
00:26:36,328 --> 00:26:37,964
or IMF,
692
00:26:37,964 --> 00:26:39,331
and the International Bank
693
00:26:39,331 --> 00:26:41,567
for Reconstruction
and Development,
694
00:26:41,567 --> 00:26:43,102
known as The World Bank.
695
00:26:44,971 --> 00:26:46,305
The goal of The World Bank
696
00:26:46,305 --> 00:26:47,573
was originally to help
697
00:26:47,573 --> 00:26:49,075
rebuild war-torn Europe,
698
00:26:49,075 --> 00:26:51,410
but this role
was soon taken over
699
00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:52,812
by the Marshall Plan.
700
00:26:52,812 --> 00:26:54,246
MAN: In Washington,
George C. Marshall
701
00:26:54,246 --> 00:26:56,248
made known the principles
of the plan
702
00:26:56,248 --> 00:26:58,818
that was later
to bear his name.
703
00:26:58,818 --> 00:27:01,287
There is no doubt
whatever in my mind
704
00:27:01,287 --> 00:27:02,955
that if we decide
to do this thing,
705
00:27:02,955 --> 00:27:04,590
we can do it successfully.
706
00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:06,392
MAN: Later, President Truman
707
00:27:06,392 --> 00:27:08,360
drove to the capital
to put the Marshall Plan
708
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:10,697
for European Aid
before Congress.
709
00:27:10,697 --> 00:27:12,131
HARRY: I am here today
710
00:27:12,131 --> 00:27:14,333
to report to you
711
00:27:14,333 --> 00:27:15,467
on the critical nature
712
00:27:15,467 --> 00:27:17,303
of the situation in Europe
713
00:27:18,537 --> 00:27:19,939
and to recommend action
714
00:27:19,939 --> 00:27:21,440
for your consideration.
715
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,376
NARRATOR:
As Europe's war-torn economies
716
00:27:24,376 --> 00:27:25,678
began to turn around,
717
00:27:25,678 --> 00:27:27,379
many credited the Marshall Plan
718
00:27:27,379 --> 00:27:28,815
as playing a key role
719
00:27:28,815 --> 00:27:30,449
in jumpstarting their growth
720
00:27:30,449 --> 00:27:31,617
and this approach
721
00:27:31,617 --> 00:27:33,152
of providing foreign aid
722
00:27:33,152 --> 00:27:34,821
became the model for helping
723
00:27:34,821 --> 00:27:37,423
the developing world as well.
724
00:27:37,423 --> 00:27:39,258
The idea was that
if you could build up
725
00:27:39,258 --> 00:27:42,261
infrastructure, electricity,
and education,
726
00:27:42,261 --> 00:27:44,964
it would spark the process
of economic development
727
00:27:44,964 --> 00:27:46,065
and countries
could make the leap
728
00:27:46,065 --> 00:27:47,834
into industrialism.
729
00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:50,369
The World Bank
found its new mission,
730
00:27:50,369 --> 00:27:52,104
promoting development
in Africa,
731
00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:54,106
Asia, and Latin America.
732
00:27:55,274 --> 00:27:57,343
KIBAKI: Today,
733
00:27:57,343 --> 00:27:59,145
the Board of Governors
734
00:27:59,145 --> 00:28:01,680
of the International Bank
735
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,215
for Reconstruction
736
00:28:03,215 --> 00:28:04,851
and Development
737
00:28:04,851 --> 00:28:07,286
and the International
Monetary Fund
738
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,191
meet for the first time
739
00:28:12,191 --> 00:28:14,126
on the continent
740
00:28:14,126 --> 00:28:15,527
of Africa.
741
00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:17,830
NARRATOR:
Foreign aid or what's called
742
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:19,999
"official development
assistance,"
743
00:28:19,999 --> 00:28:22,101
consists of government-
to-government transfers,
744
00:28:22,101 --> 00:28:23,369
and can take the form
745
00:28:23,369 --> 00:28:24,971
of grants or loans.
746
00:28:26,638 --> 00:28:28,007
Tax dollars go to governments
747
00:28:28,007 --> 00:28:30,276
and international
organizations,
748
00:28:30,276 --> 00:28:32,378
which transfer funds
to governments
749
00:28:32,378 --> 00:28:33,479
in the developing world
750
00:28:33,479 --> 00:28:34,580
for things like food,
751
00:28:34,580 --> 00:28:35,647
infrastructure,
752
00:28:35,647 --> 00:28:37,049
and healthcare.
753
00:28:37,049 --> 00:28:38,818
The aid may include
contingencies
754
00:28:38,818 --> 00:28:40,787
requiring recipient countries
755
00:28:40,787 --> 00:28:42,188
to implement policies
756
00:28:42,188 --> 00:28:44,223
that donor countries
deem beneficial.
757
00:28:45,691 --> 00:28:47,226
Over time, as foreign aid
758
00:28:47,226 --> 00:28:48,294
has expanded,
759
00:28:48,294 --> 00:28:49,195
consultants,
760
00:28:49,195 --> 00:28:50,729
non-governmental organizations,
761
00:28:50,729 --> 00:28:51,798
and charities
762
00:28:51,798 --> 00:28:52,999
also receive aid money
763
00:28:52,999 --> 00:28:54,066
from governments
764
00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:55,501
to implement projects
765
00:28:55,501 --> 00:28:56,903
and will often contract
766
00:28:56,903 --> 00:28:59,171
with additional charities
and NGOs.
767
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,641
Catholic Relief Services
768
00:29:02,641 --> 00:29:04,143
receives over 70%
769
00:29:04,143 --> 00:29:06,445
of its budget
from government money.
770
00:29:06,445 --> 00:29:07,947
While in 2012,
771
00:29:07,947 --> 00:29:09,681
World Vision received close
772
00:29:09,681 --> 00:29:12,184
to $175 million,
773
00:29:12,184 --> 00:29:14,186
and the international
development firm
774
00:29:14,186 --> 00:29:15,054
Chamonix,
775
00:29:15,054 --> 00:29:16,856
more than $500 million
776
00:29:16,856 --> 00:29:18,357
in government contracts.
777
00:29:19,691 --> 00:29:20,793
A recent drive
778
00:29:20,793 --> 00:29:22,028
for increased foreign aid
779
00:29:22,028 --> 00:29:23,529
is the United Nation's
780
00:29:23,529 --> 00:29:24,964
Millennium Development Goals,
781
00:29:24,964 --> 00:29:26,432
with the aim of eradicating
782
00:29:26,432 --> 00:29:27,599
extreme poverty
783
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,902
by the year 2015.
784
00:29:29,902 --> 00:29:32,071
With over 400
proposed interventions,
785
00:29:32,071 --> 00:29:33,472
the goals have been endorsed
786
00:29:33,472 --> 00:29:34,773
by government leaders,
787
00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:36,242
promoted by celebrities,
788
00:29:36,242 --> 00:29:37,643
and thousands of charities
789
00:29:37,643 --> 00:29:38,710
and universities
790
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:39,946
have signed on.
791
00:29:42,548 --> 00:29:43,649
Foreign aid has become
792
00:29:43,649 --> 00:29:44,917
the cornerstone
793
00:29:44,917 --> 00:29:46,718
for the West's engagement
794
00:29:46,718 --> 00:29:48,454
with what became known as
795
00:29:48,454 --> 00:29:50,122
the Third World.
796
00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:53,826
( music playing )
797
00:29:56,929 --> 00:30:00,066
( engine revving )
798
00:30:21,087 --> 00:30:22,621
TIMOTHY: The nice explanation
799
00:30:22,621 --> 00:30:23,789
for development,you know,
800
00:30:23,789 --> 00:30:25,091
the sympathetic explanation
801
00:30:25,091 --> 00:30:26,292
is to relate it
to the Marshall Plan,
802
00:30:26,292 --> 00:30:28,427
relate it to
the developing of Europe
803
00:30:28,427 --> 00:30:30,262
and the--and the idea
that we could go
804
00:30:30,262 --> 00:30:31,730
into these developing countries
805
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:33,632
and help build an economy
806
00:30:33,632 --> 00:30:35,968
and build infrastructure.
807
00:30:35,968 --> 00:30:38,170
So yeah, the nice way to say it
808
00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:40,206
and what people who are
involved in the system,
809
00:30:40,206 --> 00:30:42,374
the UNCID, and all these guys,
810
00:30:42,374 --> 00:30:44,676
they all trace themselves back
to the Marshall Plan,
811
00:30:44,676 --> 00:30:45,945
because it was a success.
812
00:30:47,046 --> 00:30:48,780
And yeah, that's
the nice twist.
813
00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:50,216
I think a better way
to understand it
814
00:30:50,216 --> 00:30:52,351
is in the context
of the Cold War,
815
00:30:52,351 --> 00:30:53,819
competing for the resources
816
00:30:53,819 --> 00:30:55,021
in a Neo-Neo
817
00:30:55,021 --> 00:30:56,222
type of colonialism.
818
00:30:57,689 --> 00:30:59,158
You know, I've talked
to Haitians saying,
819
00:30:59,158 --> 00:31:01,227
"You know,
we had colonialism,
820
00:31:01,227 --> 00:31:02,861
"We had neocolonialism,
821
00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:04,363
"We had Neo-neocolonialism.
822
00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:07,099
And now we have development,"
823
00:31:07,099 --> 00:31:08,968
which is just another
colonialism.
824
00:31:14,706 --> 00:31:15,807
THEODORE: I once spent
825
00:31:15,807 --> 00:31:17,343
a rather happy afternoon
826
00:31:17,343 --> 00:31:18,744
in a place called Malabo,
827
00:31:18,744 --> 00:31:20,913
counting the number of vehicles
828
00:31:20,913 --> 00:31:23,015
of different aid agencies.
829
00:31:23,015 --> 00:31:24,083
NARRATOR: Theodore Dalrymple
830
00:31:24,083 --> 00:31:25,351
is an English physician
831
00:31:25,351 --> 00:31:27,019
who has worked in Tanzania,
832
00:31:27,019 --> 00:31:28,854
Zimbabwe, South Africa,
833
00:31:28,854 --> 00:31:30,489
and the Gilbert Islands.
834
00:31:30,489 --> 00:31:32,091
He returned
to the United Kingdom
835
00:31:32,091 --> 00:31:33,825
in 1990,where he served
836
00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:35,827
as a psychiatrist
with prisoners
837
00:31:35,827 --> 00:31:38,364
and in inner-city Birmingham.
838
00:31:38,364 --> 00:31:39,831
He is the author
of numerous books,
839
00:31:39,831 --> 00:31:42,868
including Zanzibar to Timbuktu,
840
00:31:42,868 --> 00:31:44,903
and Life at the Bottom.
841
00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:46,672
THEODORE: Malabo is the
842
00:31:46,672 --> 00:31:49,241
capital of Equatorial Guinea,
843
00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:52,278
where the first democratically
elected president
844
00:31:52,278 --> 00:31:53,745
killed or drove into exile
845
00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:56,048
approximately
a third of the population.
846
00:31:56,048 --> 00:31:57,583
And he used to keep
847
00:31:57,583 --> 00:32:00,419
the national treasury
under his bed.
848
00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:02,388
When the president
left the capital,
849
00:32:02,388 --> 00:32:03,922
they turned the electricity off
850
00:32:03,922 --> 00:32:05,958
as being no longer required.
851
00:32:07,059 --> 00:32:09,595
So, I counted the number
852
00:32:09,595 --> 00:32:11,130
of aid agencies,
853
00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:12,198
and I think I counted,
854
00:32:12,198 --> 00:32:13,465
in about three hours,
855
00:32:13,465 --> 00:32:14,600
I counted 27
856
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,037
in large white Toyotas,
857
00:32:18,037 --> 00:32:19,972
air-conditioned, of course.
858
00:32:19,972 --> 00:32:23,509
And really
the devastation of
859
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:24,510
Equatorial Guinea
860
00:32:24,510 --> 00:32:26,945
was very good
business for them.
861
00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:29,548
The salary is very good,
862
00:32:29,548 --> 00:32:31,750
it tends to be tax-free.
863
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:33,285
Unlike your life at home,
864
00:32:33,285 --> 00:32:35,021
you will have servants
865
00:32:35,021 --> 00:32:36,455
and I think it was Shumpita
866
00:32:36,455 --> 00:32:38,157
who said that,
"One servant is worth
867
00:32:38,157 --> 00:32:40,126
a household
full of appliances."
868
00:32:44,263 --> 00:32:46,232
HERMAN: A lot of
the donor agencies,
869
00:32:46,232 --> 00:32:47,633
when I see their country heads
870
00:32:47,633 --> 00:32:49,868
driving around
in their posh cars
871
00:32:49,868 --> 00:32:51,137
and living in their big houses,
872
00:32:51,137 --> 00:32:53,539
I see multiple
colonial governors.
873
00:32:53,539 --> 00:32:55,641
This is the new face
of the colonial governor.
874
00:32:55,641 --> 00:32:58,610
NARRATOR:
Guinean software entrepreneur,
875
00:32:58,610 --> 00:33:00,446
Herman Chinery-Hesse,
876
00:33:00,446 --> 00:33:03,315
is the founder
of SOFTtribe and BSL.
877
00:33:03,315 --> 00:33:04,783
He began in 1991
878
00:33:04,783 --> 00:33:06,318
working out
of his parents' home
879
00:33:06,318 --> 00:33:08,054
to develop a line of software
880
00:33:08,054 --> 00:33:09,155
especially suited
881
00:33:09,155 --> 00:33:10,622
for the developing world,
882
00:33:10,622 --> 00:33:13,425
and then began
selling door-to-door.
883
00:33:13,425 --> 00:33:15,661
A leading technology pioneer,
884
00:33:15,661 --> 00:33:18,297
he has been called
"The Bill Gates of Africa,"
885
00:33:18,297 --> 00:33:20,499
and has been featured on BBC
886
00:33:20,499 --> 00:33:22,868
and in newspapers
around the globe.
887
00:33:22,868 --> 00:33:23,935
He is now working
888
00:33:23,935 --> 00:33:25,337
to connect rural entrepreneurs
889
00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:26,838
to wider markets
890
00:33:26,838 --> 00:33:29,708
through innovative
smartphone applications.
891
00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:31,577
HERMAN:
I think that The World Bank
892
00:33:31,577 --> 00:33:34,246
and other such
donor organizations
893
00:33:34,246 --> 00:33:35,914
have an agenda
894
00:33:35,914 --> 00:33:37,216
outside the development
895
00:33:37,216 --> 00:33:39,151
of our countries.
896
00:33:39,151 --> 00:33:41,087
To a large extent,
our governments
897
00:33:41,087 --> 00:33:42,288
have been held captive
898
00:33:42,288 --> 00:33:44,123
by the donor agencies,
899
00:33:44,123 --> 00:33:46,058
the international
donor community,
900
00:33:46,058 --> 00:33:47,226
who are not, in my view,
901
00:33:47,226 --> 00:33:48,294
particularly interested
902
00:33:48,294 --> 00:33:49,828
in seeing the growth
903
00:33:49,828 --> 00:33:50,896
of local business,
904
00:33:50,896 --> 00:33:52,564
because then the tax base
905
00:33:52,564 --> 00:33:53,599
will represent
906
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:55,234
a revenue source
for the government
907
00:33:55,234 --> 00:33:57,269
and therefore put
the international donor agencies
908
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:58,404
out of business.
909
00:33:58,404 --> 00:33:59,571
MAN: Thank you very much.
910
00:33:59,571 --> 00:34:01,640
Thank you for your patience.
911
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,842
( applause )
912
00:34:03,842 --> 00:34:06,612
JOHN: We are no longer
getting excited
913
00:34:06,612 --> 00:34:08,814
by aid
914
00:34:08,814 --> 00:34:10,916
from IMF,
915
00:34:10,916 --> 00:34:13,919
from The World Bank.
916
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:16,088
They perpetuate your misery
917
00:34:16,088 --> 00:34:18,023
by giving you a loan,
918
00:34:18,023 --> 00:34:19,491
make you a slave,
919
00:34:19,491 --> 00:34:20,359
economic slave,
920
00:34:20,359 --> 00:34:22,027
because you are chained
921
00:34:22,027 --> 00:34:23,095
by the loan,
922
00:34:23,095 --> 00:34:24,696
so it becomes
923
00:34:24,696 --> 00:34:26,298
a way of colonizing
924
00:34:26,298 --> 00:34:27,699
the economies
925
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:30,001
of the poor countries.
926
00:34:30,001 --> 00:34:31,203
Now, there are a lot of Africans
927
00:34:31,203 --> 00:34:32,871
who are very angry,
928
00:34:32,871 --> 00:34:34,773
angry
929
00:34:34,773 --> 00:34:36,975
at the condition of Africa.
930
00:34:36,975 --> 00:34:38,377
The Cheetah Generation
931
00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:40,579
is a new breed of Africans.
932
00:34:40,579 --> 00:34:42,948
They're not gonna wait
for governments
933
00:34:42,948 --> 00:34:44,150
to do things for them.
934
00:34:45,151 --> 00:34:46,985
That's the Cheetah Generation.
935
00:34:46,985 --> 00:34:49,155
And Africa's salvation rests
936
00:34:49,155 --> 00:34:50,822
on the backs
of these Cheetahs.
937
00:34:52,023 --> 00:34:53,425
In contrast, of course,
938
00:34:53,425 --> 00:34:55,294
we have the Hippo Generation.
939
00:34:55,294 --> 00:34:57,396
( audience laughing )
940
00:34:57,396 --> 00:34:59,097
GEORGE: The Hippo Generation
941
00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:02,067
are the ruling elites.
942
00:35:02,067 --> 00:35:04,203
They are those
who have monopolized
943
00:35:04,203 --> 00:35:06,338
political power,
944
00:35:06,338 --> 00:35:07,773
and they are those
who are stuck
945
00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:10,776
in their muddy
pedagogical patch.
946
00:35:10,776 --> 00:35:12,411
And they believe
that the only way
947
00:35:12,411 --> 00:35:14,580
you can solve
the problems in Africa
948
00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:16,848
is by giving
the state more power
949
00:35:16,848 --> 00:35:18,950
and more foreign aid,
950
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:20,186
and it is on the back
951
00:35:20,186 --> 00:35:21,353
of this Hippo Generation
952
00:35:21,353 --> 00:35:23,189
which the United Nations,
953
00:35:23,189 --> 00:35:25,824
The World Bank,
and the IMF have been trying
954
00:35:25,824 --> 00:35:27,125
to hitch a ride with this
955
00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:29,695
same old aid-driven boondoggle.
956
00:35:29,695 --> 00:35:31,897
And that's why we're not
getting anywhere in Africa.
957
00:35:33,865 --> 00:35:35,534
Out of the 54 African countries,
958
00:35:35,534 --> 00:35:38,003
only 16 of them are democratic.
959
00:35:38,003 --> 00:35:41,039
Now, these leaders
stay in office 10, 20, 30,
960
00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:43,141
and even 40 years in office.
961
00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:44,410
And they don't even step down.
962
00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:46,144
They groom their sons
to take over.
963
00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:47,646
Africans are fed up
964
00:35:47,646 --> 00:35:49,248
with this kind of leadership.
965
00:35:51,383 --> 00:35:52,584
MAGATTE: When people support
966
00:35:52,584 --> 00:35:54,786
more foreign aid for Africa,
967
00:35:54,786 --> 00:35:57,856
the more they're
condemning us in Africa
968
00:35:57,856 --> 00:35:59,625
to live under dictators
969
00:35:59,625 --> 00:36:02,194
who will not respect our rights
970
00:36:02,194 --> 00:36:03,862
to access to rule of law.
971
00:36:06,832 --> 00:36:07,933
No doubt originally
972
00:36:07,933 --> 00:36:09,735
the idea was compassionate.
973
00:36:09,735 --> 00:36:11,370
You saw people suffering
from poverty,
974
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:13,772
and therefore
your immediate response
975
00:36:13,772 --> 00:36:14,773
is to give.
976
00:36:15,874 --> 00:36:17,175
But unfortunately,
977
00:36:17,175 --> 00:36:19,010
giving on a large scale
978
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:20,212
distorts.
979
00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:22,381
Take a country like Tanzania
980
00:36:22,381 --> 00:36:24,250
where I actually worked,
981
00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:26,117
its greatest receipts
982
00:36:26,117 --> 00:36:27,919
in foreign currency
983
00:36:27,919 --> 00:36:29,855
were from aid,
984
00:36:29,855 --> 00:36:31,790
and the whole
of the political process
985
00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:33,892
actually was
who got their hands
986
00:36:33,892 --> 00:36:35,661
on the aid.
987
00:36:35,661 --> 00:36:38,196
MAGATTE: Make no mistake,
I am not against
988
00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:39,731
humanitarian aid.
989
00:36:39,731 --> 00:36:40,766
Of course,
990
00:36:40,766 --> 00:36:43,201
if something,
a disaster happens,
991
00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:44,970
we better rally
and help each other.
992
00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:47,239
But when humanitarian aid
993
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,941
becomes a way of life,
994
00:36:49,941 --> 00:36:51,377
then we all have a big problem.
995
00:36:52,311 --> 00:36:54,280
Emergency disaster relief
996
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,349
has become
the permanent model,
997
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:58,817
and that model
998
00:36:58,817 --> 00:37:00,452
is what I call
999
00:37:00,452 --> 00:37:01,987
the current aid industry.
1000
00:37:05,524 --> 00:37:07,158
HERMAN: I have never heard
of a country
1001
00:37:07,158 --> 00:37:08,727
that developed on aid.
1002
00:37:08,727 --> 00:37:10,929
If you know of one,
just let me know.
1003
00:37:10,929 --> 00:37:12,130
I know about countries
1004
00:37:12,130 --> 00:37:13,765
that developed on trade,
1005
00:37:13,765 --> 00:37:16,134
and innovation,
and business.
1006
00:37:16,134 --> 00:37:17,303
I don't know
of any country
1007
00:37:17,303 --> 00:37:18,804
that got
so much aid
1008
00:37:18,804 --> 00:37:20,706
and then suddenly became
a first-world country.
1009
00:37:20,706 --> 00:37:22,040
I have never heard
of such a country,
1010
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,275
so the track is wrong.
1011
00:37:23,275 --> 00:37:24,776
That track ends
to nowhere.
1012
00:37:26,878 --> 00:37:29,247
PAUL: There is a school
of thought out there
1013
00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,049
that I don't
agree with
1014
00:37:31,049 --> 00:37:32,284
where indeed people
1015
00:37:32,284 --> 00:37:35,120
think they owe
the poor people
1016
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,022
to give them money
1017
00:37:37,022 --> 00:37:38,890
without thinking
about how
1018
00:37:38,890 --> 00:37:40,626
they are going
to use this money.
1019
00:37:42,428 --> 00:37:45,063
Aid leads to more aid
1020
00:37:45,063 --> 00:37:46,565
and more aid and more aid
1021
00:37:46,565 --> 00:37:48,066
and less independence
1022
00:37:48,066 --> 00:37:50,636
of the people
that are receiving aid.
1023
00:37:52,003 --> 00:37:54,706
Second is the wrong notion
1024
00:37:54,706 --> 00:37:56,041
for people who have money
1025
00:37:56,041 --> 00:37:57,743
or who give aid,
1026
00:37:57,743 --> 00:38:00,045
they feel good
that they're helping,
1027
00:38:00,045 --> 00:38:01,279
but the best way to help
1028
00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:02,781
is to help people
1029
00:38:02,781 --> 00:38:04,650
to be able
to stand on their own.
1030
00:38:06,117 --> 00:38:08,086
HERMAN: Our governments
are not encouraged
1031
00:38:08,086 --> 00:38:09,921
to buy local.
1032
00:38:09,921 --> 00:38:11,256
Now, when we talk
1033
00:38:11,256 --> 00:38:13,492
to the international
donor community,
1034
00:38:13,492 --> 00:38:14,960
they say it's not
their policy
1035
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,562
and that we're
1036
00:38:16,562 --> 00:38:18,163
in cloud cuckoo land.
1037
00:38:18,163 --> 00:38:19,331
When we talk
to the government,
1038
00:38:19,331 --> 00:38:20,499
the government says,
1039
00:38:20,499 --> 00:38:22,233
"Hey, we're not
allowed to buy,
1040
00:38:22,233 --> 00:38:24,570
with donor money,
local products."
1041
00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:25,937
That's just
the way it is.
1042
00:38:25,937 --> 00:38:28,740
It's their money,
they decide who gets it.
1043
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:30,308
For example,
five companies in Ghana
1044
00:38:30,308 --> 00:38:32,544
got together to bid
for a contract, together.
1045
00:38:32,544 --> 00:38:34,913
Now, everything
was going very well,
1046
00:38:34,913 --> 00:38:37,349
we were competent
to do the work,
1047
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:38,784
guess what happens?
We are bidding
1048
00:38:38,784 --> 00:38:40,619
against some
European companies.
1049
00:38:40,619 --> 00:38:41,920
One of the companies
got their government
1050
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,122
to loan our
government money,
1051
00:38:44,122 --> 00:38:45,491
very soft loan,
1052
00:38:45,491 --> 00:38:47,192
for the project.
1053
00:38:47,192 --> 00:38:48,494
Our folks in
the government said,
1054
00:38:48,494 --> 00:38:49,795
"Hey, you know,
we love you very much,
1055
00:38:49,795 --> 00:38:52,330
but nothing beats
free money."
1056
00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:53,532
We lost
our money.
1057
00:38:53,532 --> 00:38:54,933
You know what
we ended up doing?
1058
00:38:54,933 --> 00:38:57,102
We ended up working
as subcontractors
1059
00:38:57,102 --> 00:38:58,370
to the Europeans.
1060
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:59,871
They gave us
the worst part
1061
00:38:59,871 --> 00:39:01,072
of the business.
1062
00:39:01,072 --> 00:39:03,108
The most difficult
and least profitable part,
1063
00:39:03,108 --> 00:39:04,510
we wound up doing it
1064
00:39:04,510 --> 00:39:06,545
because we were better
at doing the work.
1065
00:39:06,545 --> 00:39:08,414
So they got the best
of both worlds.
1066
00:39:08,414 --> 00:39:10,181
Their government paid,
1067
00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:11,249
we ended up doing the work,
1068
00:39:11,249 --> 00:39:12,317
they took the money.
1069
00:39:12,317 --> 00:39:13,385
That's not development,
1070
00:39:13,385 --> 00:39:15,053
that's not assistance,
1071
00:39:15,053 --> 00:39:16,354
that's...
1072
00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:17,556
thuggery.
1073
00:39:19,257 --> 00:39:21,359
THEODORE: A large part
of aid is, of course,
1074
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,029
the subsidy
to the companies
1075
00:39:24,029 --> 00:39:25,564
that do the work
1076
00:39:25,564 --> 00:39:26,798
in African countries.
1077
00:39:26,798 --> 00:39:29,367
I myself worked
on such a project,
1078
00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:31,169
and I saw myself
1079
00:39:31,169 --> 00:39:32,738
the incredible waste.
1080
00:39:32,738 --> 00:39:35,674
It was a road project
actually in Tanzania
1081
00:39:35,674 --> 00:39:37,509
and the foreign
aid amounted
1082
00:39:37,509 --> 00:39:39,645
to a huge subsidy
1083
00:39:39,645 --> 00:39:42,881
for a company that
could not possibly
1084
00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:46,017
have got the
contract in a--
1085
00:39:46,017 --> 00:39:47,152
in a real market.
1086
00:39:47,152 --> 00:39:48,720
And these can amount
1087
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:51,289
to hundreds
of millions of dollars.
1088
00:39:51,289 --> 00:39:54,426
( music playing )
1089
00:39:59,030 --> 00:40:01,099
THEODORE:
And the so-called foreign aid
1090
00:40:01,099 --> 00:40:03,401
actually goes back
to the people
1091
00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:04,836
working for the company,
1092
00:40:04,836 --> 00:40:06,304
and I suppose the shareholders
1093
00:40:06,304 --> 00:40:08,139
of that company.
1094
00:40:08,139 --> 00:40:10,141
And I, myself,
am personally
1095
00:40:10,141 --> 00:40:11,710
a beneficiary
of that.
1096
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:15,981
Anyway, I--
in essence
1097
00:40:15,981 --> 00:40:17,115
I bought--
1098
00:40:18,183 --> 00:40:19,618
I bought
my first house
1099
00:40:19,618 --> 00:40:21,920
from the proceeds
of foreign aid.
1100
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,789
Foreign aid has been
excellent to me.
1101
00:40:23,789 --> 00:40:25,524
It's aided me
immensely.
1102
00:40:26,925 --> 00:40:29,060
It's allowed me to have
an interesting life,
1103
00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:30,161
to travel,
1104
00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:31,296
live in good
conditions,
1105
00:40:31,296 --> 00:40:32,898
be well paid,
no tax.
1106
00:40:33,765 --> 00:40:34,966
Couldn't be better.
1107
00:40:38,003 --> 00:40:40,005
TIMOTHY: Everybody
in development agrees.
1108
00:40:40,005 --> 00:40:41,773
Everybody knows
the system doesn't work.
1109
00:40:41,773 --> 00:40:43,642
They don't say it in public,
1110
00:40:43,642 --> 00:40:44,743
but when you
sit down
1111
00:40:44,743 --> 00:40:45,844
and have beers
with somebody,
1112
00:40:45,844 --> 00:40:47,579
or you sit down
in a meal,
1113
00:40:47,579 --> 00:40:48,880
we all say
the same thing,
1114
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,616
the system is broke
and it's not working.
1115
00:40:50,616 --> 00:40:52,083
It's not happening like
it's supposed to be.
1116
00:40:52,083 --> 00:40:53,919
And everybody--
1117
00:40:53,919 --> 00:40:55,754
some people get very
emotional about it.
1118
00:40:55,754 --> 00:40:57,923
Everybody in development
knows this is--this--
1119
00:40:57,923 --> 00:41:00,225
there's something rotten.
1120
00:41:00,225 --> 00:41:01,459
They know.
1121
00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:02,761
We don't have
to say anything
1122
00:41:02,761 --> 00:41:04,496
that everybody
else doesn't know.
1123
00:41:04,496 --> 00:41:07,265
( music playing )
1124
00:41:07,265 --> 00:41:08,466
NARRATOR: What began as a plan
1125
00:41:08,466 --> 00:41:09,701
to jumpstart economies
1126
00:41:09,701 --> 00:41:11,336
and promote development
1127
00:41:11,336 --> 00:41:12,804
has, over time,
1128
00:41:12,804 --> 00:41:14,640
developed into a complex system
1129
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,408
of global humanitarianism.
1130
00:41:17,408 --> 00:41:19,845
The system includes
everything from governments
1131
00:41:19,845 --> 00:41:22,180
and multinational corporations
1132
00:41:22,180 --> 00:41:24,816
to aid agencies, NGOs,
1133
00:41:24,816 --> 00:41:26,852
charities, celebrities,
1134
00:41:26,852 --> 00:41:28,754
and social entrepreneurs.
1135
00:41:29,855 --> 00:41:31,256
The goal is to help,
1136
00:41:31,256 --> 00:41:33,491
but the incentives
and the interplay
1137
00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:35,126
of these different components
1138
00:41:35,126 --> 00:41:36,394
ended up creating
1139
00:41:36,394 --> 00:41:38,697
a global poverty industry.
1140
00:41:40,131 --> 00:41:42,000
Perhaps the best way
to understandit
1141
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,536
is through what one
of the founders of sociology,
1142
00:41:44,536 --> 00:41:46,171
French sociologist,
1143
00:41:46,171 --> 00:41:47,573
Emile Durkheim
1144
00:41:47,573 --> 00:41:49,541
called a social fact,
1145
00:41:49,541 --> 00:41:50,742
a broad tapestry
1146
00:41:50,742 --> 00:41:52,343
of norms, assumptions,
1147
00:41:52,343 --> 00:41:54,846
and social
and economic institutions
1148
00:41:54,846 --> 00:41:57,515
that transcend
any one individual
1149
00:41:57,515 --> 00:41:59,618
or organization.
1150
00:42:02,721 --> 00:42:04,522
The social fact
puts constraints
1151
00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,224
on how we think and act,
1152
00:42:06,224 --> 00:42:09,194
leading us to take
many things for granted.
1153
00:42:09,194 --> 00:42:10,495
It becomes simply
1154
00:42:10,495 --> 00:42:12,898
the way things are done.
1155
00:42:12,898 --> 00:42:15,233
This doesn't mean
there is never innovation
1156
00:42:15,233 --> 00:42:17,268
or attempts to fix the system.
1157
00:42:17,268 --> 00:42:18,536
People are always coming up
1158
00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:19,738
with creative ideas
1159
00:42:19,738 --> 00:42:21,172
and approaches.
1160
00:42:21,172 --> 00:42:23,875
The trouble is that
most of the innovation
1161
00:42:23,875 --> 00:42:26,712
takes place within
the assumptions, beliefs,
1162
00:42:26,712 --> 00:42:29,948
and values of the social fact.
1163
00:42:29,948 --> 00:42:31,850
At its core,
the social fact
1164
00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:34,586
situates the poor as the other,
1165
00:42:34,586 --> 00:42:36,021
as objects of charity
1166
00:42:36,021 --> 00:42:38,289
rather than as the subjects,
1167
00:42:38,289 --> 00:42:40,191
the active protagonists,
1168
00:42:40,191 --> 00:42:41,292
in their own story
1169
00:42:41,292 --> 00:42:43,561
of development.
1170
00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:45,430
People have
the internal capacity
1171
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:47,198
to rise out of poverty,
1172
00:42:47,198 --> 00:42:48,466
but they do so only
1173
00:42:48,466 --> 00:42:49,935
when they have
certain key things
1174
00:42:49,935 --> 00:42:52,303
many of us take for granted,
1175
00:42:52,303 --> 00:42:53,404
like legal protection
1176
00:42:53,404 --> 00:42:55,473
from theft and violence,
1177
00:42:55,473 --> 00:42:57,408
justice in the courts,
1178
00:42:57,408 --> 00:42:58,576
the ability to get title
1179
00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:00,145
to one's land,
1180
00:43:00,145 --> 00:43:01,246
freedom to start
1181
00:43:01,246 --> 00:43:02,948
and register a business,
1182
00:43:02,948 --> 00:43:04,549
and links to wider circles
1183
00:43:04,549 --> 00:43:06,351
of exchange.
1184
00:43:06,351 --> 00:43:07,452
The difficulty is that
1185
00:43:07,452 --> 00:43:09,320
this ladder to prosperity
1186
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,856
is missing in many places
1187
00:43:10,856 --> 00:43:12,290
around the world
1188
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:13,659
and the current system
1189
00:43:13,659 --> 00:43:15,694
creates incentives
for governments,
1190
00:43:15,694 --> 00:43:17,162
not to build it.
1191
00:43:19,297 --> 00:43:21,532
MICHAEL: Whenever you have
an aid agreement,
1192
00:43:21,532 --> 00:43:24,703
those consultants
come into the country
1193
00:43:24,703 --> 00:43:26,304
and they don't work
for the country,
1194
00:43:26,304 --> 00:43:28,907
they work for the
foreign aid establishment.
1195
00:43:28,907 --> 00:43:30,175
And so what you find
1196
00:43:30,175 --> 00:43:33,344
is that the aid
establishment severs
1197
00:43:33,344 --> 00:43:35,446
the link
between the leader
1198
00:43:35,446 --> 00:43:37,783
of a country
and his people,
1199
00:43:37,783 --> 00:43:39,617
because you've got
all these consultants
1200
00:43:39,617 --> 00:43:41,820
running around
doing their thing,
1201
00:43:42,821 --> 00:43:44,656
purportedly to work
for the people,
1202
00:43:44,656 --> 00:43:46,524
but in reality
their masters
1203
00:43:46,524 --> 00:43:49,260
are in Washington
and Tokyo
1204
00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:50,896
and London
and Paris.
1205
00:43:50,896 --> 00:43:52,397
So that's
what part
1206
00:43:52,397 --> 00:43:54,565
of what's broken
with aid.
1207
00:43:54,565 --> 00:43:56,768
NARRATOR: Poor people
have become the clients
1208
00:43:56,768 --> 00:43:59,604
of a vast global
poverty industry.
1209
00:43:59,604 --> 00:44:01,006
If they climb out of poverty,
1210
00:44:01,006 --> 00:44:03,709
the industry becomes obsolete.
1211
00:44:03,709 --> 00:44:04,843
So a question we need
1212
00:44:04,843 --> 00:44:07,345
to ask ourselves is this,
1213
00:44:07,345 --> 00:44:08,479
who benefits the most
1214
00:44:08,479 --> 00:44:09,547
from the way things
1215
00:44:09,547 --> 00:44:11,049
are currently set up,
1216
00:44:11,049 --> 00:44:13,018
the people we
are trying to help
1217
00:44:13,018 --> 00:44:14,085
or the people who work
1218
00:44:14,085 --> 00:44:15,787
in the poverty industry?
1219
00:44:17,956 --> 00:44:21,092
( vehicle honking )
1220
00:44:30,969 --> 00:44:33,038
EVA: When I was growing up,
1221
00:44:33,038 --> 00:44:35,273
we didn't have
second-hand clothing
1222
00:44:35,273 --> 00:44:37,542
from Europe and
the U.S. and Canada.
1223
00:44:37,542 --> 00:44:39,210
In Kenya,
1224
00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:41,412
my mother took me
to a store
1225
00:44:41,412 --> 00:44:44,049
and she bought me
a beautiful T-shirt
1226
00:44:44,049 --> 00:44:46,284
that said,
"Made in Kenya.
1227
00:44:46,284 --> 00:44:47,753
Kenya Cotton."
1228
00:44:47,753 --> 00:44:49,287
Today,
1229
00:44:49,287 --> 00:44:51,089
I would struggle
to find a T-shirt
1230
00:44:51,089 --> 00:44:53,024
like that
for my daughter.
1231
00:44:53,024 --> 00:44:54,760
Why? Because the influx
1232
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,361
of second-hand clothing
1233
00:44:56,361 --> 00:44:58,196
that makes its way here
1234
00:44:58,196 --> 00:45:00,631
from Europe and
the U.S. and Canada
1235
00:45:00,631 --> 00:45:02,667
has negatively impacted
1236
00:45:02,667 --> 00:45:05,203
on our textile industry
1237
00:45:05,203 --> 00:45:06,271
in Kenya.
1238
00:45:06,271 --> 00:45:08,339
Massive layoffs
in the '80s
1239
00:45:08,339 --> 00:45:10,041
and the '90s,
1240
00:45:10,041 --> 00:45:13,044
factories
that shut down.
1241
00:45:13,044 --> 00:45:16,147
What happened
to our cotton farms?
1242
00:45:16,147 --> 00:45:18,549
When I was growing up
in this country,
1243
00:45:18,549 --> 00:45:20,451
we could have bought cotton
1244
00:45:20,451 --> 00:45:23,621
in varieties and types
1245
00:45:23,621 --> 00:45:25,123
that are incomparable,
1246
00:45:25,123 --> 00:45:26,792
but that's all gone
1247
00:45:26,792 --> 00:45:28,026
because of the impact,
1248
00:45:28,026 --> 00:45:29,627
the negative impact,
1249
00:45:29,627 --> 00:45:31,897
of the apparel imports
1250
00:45:31,897 --> 00:45:33,098
at a second-hand level.
1251
00:45:38,536 --> 00:45:40,772
PETER: Growing up,
the model that I saw
1252
00:45:40,772 --> 00:45:41,973
was this model
that we would have
1253
00:45:41,973 --> 00:45:43,408
a shoe driveat church
1254
00:45:43,408 --> 00:45:45,210
and we'd all give
our excess shoes
1255
00:45:45,210 --> 00:45:46,845
and then our shoes,
we never knew what happened,
1256
00:45:46,845 --> 00:45:48,980
but we knew that
we were responding
1257
00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:51,316
to this desire that
we had to help the poor,
1258
00:45:51,316 --> 00:45:52,283
the vulnerable.
1259
00:45:52,283 --> 00:45:54,519
What I experienced
living overseas,
1260
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:55,954
especially in Rwanda
1261
00:45:55,954 --> 00:45:58,089
was the end
of the story.
1262
00:45:58,089 --> 00:45:59,624
The collection,
in some ways,
1263
00:45:59,624 --> 00:46:00,992
is the easy part.
1264
00:46:00,992 --> 00:46:02,593
The distribution
is where there are
1265
00:46:02,593 --> 00:46:04,062
a lot of
complications.
1266
00:46:04,062 --> 00:46:05,363
And I had my eyes
opened to this
1267
00:46:05,363 --> 00:46:06,798
through a friendship
with Jean.
1268
00:46:06,798 --> 00:46:08,834
And Jean was
a friend in Rwanda,
1269
00:46:08,834 --> 00:46:10,168
and he told me the story
1270
00:46:10,168 --> 00:46:12,070
that after
the Rwandan genocide,
1271
00:46:12,070 --> 00:46:14,605
that he had a church
from Atlanta
1272
00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:16,908
that started sending over eggs
1273
00:46:16,908 --> 00:46:19,310
and ended up
just distributing eggs
1274
00:46:19,310 --> 00:46:21,612
in this small community
outside of Kigali.
1275
00:46:21,612 --> 00:46:23,949
And that seems like
a great thing to do, right?
1276
00:46:23,949 --> 00:46:25,416
The church wanted to help
1277
00:46:25,416 --> 00:46:27,252
after the genocide.
1278
00:46:27,252 --> 00:46:29,087
But Jono, a few years before,
1279
00:46:29,087 --> 00:46:31,857
had started a small
egg business himself.
1280
00:46:31,857 --> 00:46:33,624
He put this investment in all
1281
00:46:33,624 --> 00:46:34,725
the materials that he needed
1282
00:46:34,725 --> 00:46:36,494
to start this egg business.
1283
00:46:36,494 --> 00:46:38,163
His business
was starting to grow,
1284
00:46:38,163 --> 00:46:39,998
it was starting to take off,
1285
00:46:39,998 --> 00:46:42,433
and then all of
a sudden in one summer,
1286
00:46:42,433 --> 00:46:44,435
there become this
surplus of eggs
1287
00:46:44,435 --> 00:46:47,438
that were flooding
the market in his area,
1288
00:46:47,438 --> 00:46:49,707
and so this desire
that the church had
1289
00:46:49,707 --> 00:46:51,809
to really take care of a need,
1290
00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:53,178
it did take care of a need,
1291
00:46:53,178 --> 00:46:54,345
but the problem is that
1292
00:46:54,345 --> 00:46:55,881
it put Jono out of business.
1293
00:46:55,881 --> 00:46:57,748
He ended up selling his hens,
1294
00:46:57,748 --> 00:46:59,817
and then the next
year, the church decided
1295
00:46:59,817 --> 00:47:01,219
to focus its attention
1296
00:47:01,219 --> 00:47:03,154
to somewhere else
in the world.
1297
00:47:03,154 --> 00:47:04,389
Jono was out of business.
1298
00:47:04,389 --> 00:47:06,457
No one else was
there providing eggs,
1299
00:47:06,457 --> 00:47:08,593
and so they had
to bring the eggs in
1300
00:47:08,593 --> 00:47:10,128
from another community.
1301
00:47:10,128 --> 00:47:13,031
So this desire
to help in that community,
1302
00:47:13,031 --> 00:47:14,365
according to Jono,
1303
00:47:14,365 --> 00:47:17,168
actually had
a long-term negative impact
1304
00:47:17,168 --> 00:47:18,369
on that community.
1305
00:47:27,378 --> 00:47:29,380
MICHAEL: If you go to
an aid conference now,
1306
00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:31,016
as opposed to
20 years ago, and say,
1307
00:47:31,016 --> 00:47:32,918
"How many people are involved
with charities?"
1308
00:47:32,918 --> 00:47:34,219
Nobody raises
their hand,
1309
00:47:34,219 --> 00:47:36,487
because charity
has become a bad word,
1310
00:47:36,487 --> 00:47:39,390
so they call themselves
social entrepreneurs.
1311
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:43,261
NARRATOR:
A recent trend in development
1312
00:47:43,261 --> 00:47:44,896
has been the
increasing popularity
1313
00:47:44,896 --> 00:47:46,965
of social entrepreneurship,
1314
00:47:46,965 --> 00:47:48,733
which applies business models
1315
00:47:48,733 --> 00:47:50,335
to pressing social problems.
1316
00:47:50,335 --> 00:47:52,237
One of the leaders
and most recognized
1317
00:47:52,237 --> 00:47:53,905
social entrepreneurs
1318
00:47:53,905 --> 00:47:55,340
is Blake Mycoskie,
1319
00:47:55,340 --> 00:47:57,308
the founder of TOMS Shoes.
1320
00:47:58,843 --> 00:48:01,812
( music playing )
1321
00:48:01,812 --> 00:48:03,814
BLAKE:About 15 months ago,
1322
00:48:03,814 --> 00:48:05,016
I was
1323
00:48:05,016 --> 00:48:07,185
down in Argentina
on vacation,
1324
00:48:07,185 --> 00:48:09,154
actually trying
to learn to play polo.
1325
00:48:09,154 --> 00:48:10,355
When I was
down there,
1326
00:48:10,355 --> 00:48:12,857
I noticed that a lot
of the polo players
1327
00:48:12,857 --> 00:48:14,792
and a lot of their
girlfriends and wives
1328
00:48:14,792 --> 00:48:17,128
wore this shoe
called the Alpargatas.
1329
00:48:17,128 --> 00:48:19,197
And the Alpargatas
is very much like
1330
00:48:19,197 --> 00:48:20,265
the current TOMS shoe,
1331
00:48:20,265 --> 00:48:22,267
but instead
it had a rope sole
1332
00:48:22,267 --> 00:48:24,102
and just came
in like navy,
1333
00:48:24,102 --> 00:48:25,770
black, and maroon.
1334
00:48:25,770 --> 00:48:27,038
But everyone
wore them around
1335
00:48:27,038 --> 00:48:29,007
and it was very kind
of trendy and chic
1336
00:48:29,007 --> 00:48:31,109
to wear these
to the bars at night
1337
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:33,144
or to the--
to the shopping mall
1338
00:48:33,144 --> 00:48:34,412
or to the beach.
1339
00:48:34,412 --> 00:48:35,913
So, kind of seeing
1340
00:48:35,913 --> 00:48:37,482
this new cool shoe
that all these people
1341
00:48:37,482 --> 00:48:39,384
were wearing in Argentina
that I've never seen
1342
00:48:39,384 --> 00:48:41,119
and seeing lots
of kids without shoes,
1343
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:42,187
I came up
with the idea
1344
00:48:42,187 --> 00:48:43,888
to start
TOMS Shoes.
1345
00:48:43,888 --> 00:48:45,190
I said to my friend,
you know,
1346
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:47,758
"What if we took this
original Argentine shoe,
1347
00:48:47,758 --> 00:48:49,260
"redesign it,
you made it,
1348
00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:50,695
"you know,
chic and cool
1349
00:48:50,695 --> 00:48:52,463
"and fun patterns,
1350
00:48:52,463 --> 00:48:53,531
"and sold it in fun,
1351
00:48:53,531 --> 00:48:55,033
"you know, good stores
in the United States,
1352
00:48:55,033 --> 00:48:56,367
"and every time
I sell a pair,
1353
00:48:56,367 --> 00:48:58,203
"we would give a pair
back to these children
1354
00:48:58,203 --> 00:48:59,304
who don't have shoes."
1355
00:48:59,304 --> 00:49:02,440
( speaking in Spanish )
1356
00:49:08,946 --> 00:49:10,115
When I was
at the SEVEN Fund,
1357
00:49:10,115 --> 00:49:12,317
we actually gave
TOMS a prize
1358
00:49:12,317 --> 00:49:14,285
for a movie they made
about their system,
1359
00:49:14,285 --> 00:49:15,486
about their idea
with the--
1360
00:49:15,486 --> 00:49:17,055
with the shoes
and everything,
1361
00:49:17,055 --> 00:49:18,756
and at the time,
I actually also thought
1362
00:49:18,756 --> 00:49:21,259
this was a great idea.
1363
00:49:21,259 --> 00:49:23,661
The basic principle
of TOMS Shoes
1364
00:49:23,661 --> 00:49:25,330
is called one for one.
1365
00:49:25,330 --> 00:49:27,898
He produces the shoes
when you buy one here
1366
00:49:27,898 --> 00:49:29,367
at a marked-up price,
1367
00:49:29,367 --> 00:49:30,935
at the same time
one pair of shoes
1368
00:49:30,935 --> 00:49:33,171
is sent over
back into the developing world
1369
00:49:33,171 --> 00:49:34,572
and given
to a poor child.
1370
00:49:34,572 --> 00:49:37,375
The unintended
consequence of this
1371
00:49:37,375 --> 00:49:38,576
is that, of course,
there is
1372
00:49:38,576 --> 00:49:40,878
a local cobbler
there as well
1373
00:49:40,878 --> 00:49:41,946
who actually makes shoes
1374
00:49:41,946 --> 00:49:43,681
and sells them.
1375
00:49:43,681 --> 00:49:45,750
Can you imagine
what happened to that guy
1376
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:46,884
the day the truck shows up
1377
00:49:46,884 --> 00:49:48,553
with TOMS Shoes on them?
1378
00:49:48,553 --> 00:49:50,421
Why would you go buy
something that's for free?
1379
00:49:51,822 --> 00:49:54,359
And then to add to this
complex situation,
1380
00:49:54,359 --> 00:49:56,961
that truck doesn't
show up all the time.
1381
00:49:56,961 --> 00:49:58,663
Our donations have
1382
00:49:58,663 --> 00:50:00,431
an unpredictable impact
1383
00:50:00,431 --> 00:50:01,932
on the local economy,
1384
00:50:01,932 --> 00:50:04,369
and that wreaks havoc
on a lot of businesses,
1385
00:50:04,369 --> 00:50:07,038
especially small
and medium-sized businesses.
1386
00:50:08,406 --> 00:50:09,774
DANIEL: TOMS Shoes, they found
1387
00:50:09,774 --> 00:50:12,110
the right model that,
1388
00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:14,212
I don't want
to say exploits,
1389
00:50:14,212 --> 00:50:17,182
but capture this
1390
00:50:17,182 --> 00:50:18,349
love of people
1391
00:50:18,349 --> 00:50:19,717
who want to be generous
1392
00:50:19,717 --> 00:50:21,719
and helpful
1393
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:22,887
and they combine that
1394
00:50:22,887 --> 00:50:25,022
tosome kind of NGO model
1395
00:50:25,022 --> 00:50:26,857
to keep dumping
1396
00:50:26,857 --> 00:50:28,526
free stuff on the market.
1397
00:50:28,526 --> 00:50:30,295
MAN: Okay. Blake is also trying
1398
00:50:30,295 --> 00:50:31,362
to do some new things.
1399
00:50:31,362 --> 00:50:32,863
He has been criticized for,
1400
00:50:32,863 --> 00:50:34,232
you know, sending shoes.
1401
00:50:34,232 --> 00:50:35,733
So he's trying
to develop factories
1402
00:50:35,733 --> 00:50:37,235
in local places
1403
00:50:37,235 --> 00:50:39,737
where now instead
of just giving it away,
1404
00:50:39,737 --> 00:50:42,039
they are at least producing
it in those countries.
1405
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:44,075
What do you think about that?
1406
00:50:44,075 --> 00:50:46,043
Well,
1407
00:50:46,043 --> 00:50:47,112
that's good.
1408
00:50:47,112 --> 00:50:48,413
At least
he listens.
1409
00:50:48,413 --> 00:50:50,515
At least they made
those factories
1410
00:50:50,515 --> 00:50:52,550
in countries
where they produce
1411
00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:55,253
some jobs, they
pay some taxes.
1412
00:50:56,487 --> 00:50:57,755
ANDREAS: Would I give
that company
1413
00:50:57,755 --> 00:50:58,823
the prize again today?
1414
00:51:00,791 --> 00:51:01,992
We've all
learned a lot
1415
00:51:01,992 --> 00:51:03,128
in the meantime.
1416
00:51:03,128 --> 00:51:04,362
TOMS Shoes has
learned a lot.
1417
00:51:04,362 --> 00:51:05,696
I have learned
a lot.
1418
00:51:05,696 --> 00:51:07,198
With hindsight,
1419
00:51:07,198 --> 00:51:09,066
I would love
to have
1420
00:51:09,066 --> 00:51:10,268
given him
the prize
1421
00:51:10,268 --> 00:51:11,402
and invite
more people
1422
00:51:11,402 --> 00:51:13,104
to bring ideas
into this,
1423
00:51:13,104 --> 00:51:14,405
especially
people from--
1424
00:51:14,405 --> 00:51:15,940
who are actually going
to be affected
1425
00:51:15,940 --> 00:51:17,675
by these shoe
giveaways.
1426
00:51:18,976 --> 00:51:20,111
When you have
a company
1427
00:51:20,111 --> 00:51:21,612
like TOMS
come in
1428
00:51:21,612 --> 00:51:23,414
and try to be
innovative,
1429
00:51:23,414 --> 00:51:24,749
the downfall
of this
1430
00:51:24,749 --> 00:51:26,984
is that they're trying
to be innovative
1431
00:51:26,984 --> 00:51:28,353
yet they accept
1432
00:51:28,353 --> 00:51:29,987
the given framework.
1433
00:51:29,987 --> 00:51:31,088
With that framework
1434
00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:33,090
that is actually harmful,
1435
00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:34,659
if TOMS is successful,
1436
00:51:34,659 --> 00:51:37,128
they're making a harmful system
1437
00:51:37,128 --> 00:51:39,130
more effectively harmful.
1438
00:51:40,731 --> 00:51:41,866
Okay.
Watch this.
1439
00:51:46,237 --> 00:51:48,173
BLAKE: What if I started
a shoe company
1440
00:51:48,173 --> 00:51:50,107
and every time
I sold a pair of shoes
1441
00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:51,809
I gave a pair away?
1442
00:51:51,809 --> 00:51:53,911
In that way,
if as long as I continue
1443
00:51:53,911 --> 00:51:55,913
to keep selling shoes,
these kids will have shoes
1444
00:51:55,913 --> 00:51:57,515
for the rest of their life.
1445
00:52:06,056 --> 00:52:07,492
Okay. What do you
think about that?
1446
00:52:08,693 --> 00:52:09,727
Look
1447
00:52:10,795 --> 00:52:11,796
it's--
1448
00:52:13,331 --> 00:52:15,833
there's no word
to describe this.
1449
00:52:15,833 --> 00:52:18,303
Saying that he's
going to supply shoes
1450
00:52:18,303 --> 00:52:19,370
for people
for the rest
1451
00:52:19,370 --> 00:52:20,571
of his life
1452
00:52:21,739 --> 00:52:24,309
is implying
1453
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:25,643
that he would
want people
1454
00:52:25,643 --> 00:52:28,112
to stay
without shoes
1455
00:52:28,112 --> 00:52:29,214
for their life
1456
00:52:29,214 --> 00:52:30,815
so he can give
them shoes.
1457
00:52:32,350 --> 00:52:34,485
People don't want
to be receiving things
1458
00:52:34,485 --> 00:52:36,387
for free for all of their lives
1459
00:52:36,387 --> 00:52:38,823
like he says he wants to do it.
1460
00:52:38,823 --> 00:52:41,459
No one in Haiti
1461
00:52:41,459 --> 00:52:44,161
wants to be
a beggar for life.
1462
00:52:45,930 --> 00:52:47,765
It just doesn't
make any sense.
1463
00:52:49,166 --> 00:52:50,335
You know what
the poor people--
1464
00:52:50,335 --> 00:52:52,169
they get?
1465
00:52:52,169 --> 00:52:53,804
A poor image.
1466
00:53:01,812 --> 00:53:03,414
The first thing that
I would say to those
1467
00:53:03,414 --> 00:53:06,050
who say that we must
come and give,
1468
00:53:06,050 --> 00:53:08,853
otherwise, these people
are incapable of
1469
00:53:10,321 --> 00:53:11,389
improving
their situation
1470
00:53:11,389 --> 00:53:12,857
and getting out
of their poverty
1471
00:53:12,857 --> 00:53:14,825
is to ask them why.
1472
00:53:14,825 --> 00:53:15,860
Why do you think that?
1473
00:53:15,860 --> 00:53:19,230
Why are these people
uniquely unable
1474
00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:20,498
to get out
of their poverty?
1475
00:53:20,498 --> 00:53:21,866
Are you actually saying
1476
00:53:21,866 --> 00:53:25,336
that they're in some
sense inferior beings?
1477
00:53:25,336 --> 00:53:28,172
Are they
different from us?
1478
00:53:28,172 --> 00:53:30,007
Can they not think
for themselves?
1479
00:53:30,007 --> 00:53:31,676
Is there not
evidence, in fact,
1480
00:53:31,676 --> 00:53:33,744
that when given
the opportunity,
1481
00:53:33,744 --> 00:53:35,313
they do,
in fact,
1482
00:53:35,313 --> 00:53:37,248
get out of
poverty themselves?
1483
00:53:38,349 --> 00:53:40,351
And secondly,
I would say that,
1484
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:43,354
actually what you
need to do is live
1485
00:53:43,354 --> 00:53:44,855
in the country for
1486
00:53:44,855 --> 00:53:46,424
two or three years,
1487
00:53:46,424 --> 00:53:48,359
not just fly in,
1488
00:53:48,359 --> 00:53:49,994
say, "My God,
isn't it terrible?
1489
00:53:49,994 --> 00:53:51,195
"You know,
1490
00:53:51,195 --> 00:53:52,263
"All those babies
1491
00:53:52,263 --> 00:53:54,432
"with, you know,
bloated stomachs
1492
00:53:54,432 --> 00:53:55,566
the next morning."
1493
00:53:55,566 --> 00:53:57,201
No doubt,
it is terrible,
1494
00:53:57,201 --> 00:54:00,170
but compassion
is not simply
1495
00:54:00,170 --> 00:54:02,573
vehement expression
1496
00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:05,142
of a point of view.
1497
00:54:05,142 --> 00:54:06,811
And that
1498
00:54:06,811 --> 00:54:08,279
the compassionate
person
1499
00:54:08,279 --> 00:54:09,880
has to consider
1500
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,181
the practical effects
1501
00:54:11,181 --> 00:54:12,983
of what
he is proposing.
1502
00:54:14,419 --> 00:54:17,555
( singing in foreign language )
1503
00:54:24,995 --> 00:54:26,397
CORRIGAN:
My name is Corrigan Clay,
1504
00:54:26,397 --> 00:54:27,965
and my wife
Shelley and I
1505
00:54:27,965 --> 00:54:30,100
moved to Haiti
in 2008
1506
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:31,436
to adopt a child,
1507
00:54:31,436 --> 00:54:32,737
and we were thinking
at the time
1508
00:54:32,737 --> 00:54:34,138
that we would probably start up
1509
00:54:34,138 --> 00:54:36,307
an orphanage also.
1510
00:54:36,307 --> 00:54:37,808
I saw a picture
of a little Haitian kid
1511
00:54:37,808 --> 00:54:38,976
on the internet
1512
00:54:38,976 --> 00:54:40,077
and fell in love with
1513
00:54:40,077 --> 00:54:42,246
the idea of Haiti
1514
00:54:42,246 --> 00:54:43,681
and a child from
an orphanage
1515
00:54:43,681 --> 00:54:46,384
and being able to give
a parentless child
1516
00:54:46,384 --> 00:54:47,652
a family.
1517
00:54:47,652 --> 00:54:49,186
So, today
1518
00:54:49,186 --> 00:54:50,355
Today
1519
00:54:50,355 --> 00:54:51,522
we met Wilson
1520
00:54:51,522 --> 00:54:53,858
for the first time,
1521
00:54:53,858 --> 00:54:56,126
and he gets
to stay with us
1522
00:54:56,126 --> 00:54:58,329
in the hotel
1523
00:54:58,329 --> 00:55:01,131
in Port-au-Prince, Haiti,
1524
00:55:01,131 --> 00:55:03,200
or somewhere
near there.
1525
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,301
And
1526
00:55:04,301 --> 00:55:05,836
he's my
1527
00:55:05,836 --> 00:55:07,237
new brother.
1528
00:55:07,237 --> 00:55:08,339
Yeah.
1529
00:55:08,339 --> 00:55:09,974
As we were pursuing adoption,
1530
00:55:09,974 --> 00:55:12,176
the orphanage director
had asked us
1531
00:55:12,176 --> 00:55:13,243
if we wanted to meet
1532
00:55:13,243 --> 00:55:14,745
the child's mother,
1533
00:55:14,745 --> 00:55:16,947
and we were
kind of surprised
1534
00:55:16,947 --> 00:55:18,349
because the thought was,
1535
00:55:18,349 --> 00:55:20,184
"Well, wasn't
he abandoned
1536
00:55:20,184 --> 00:55:21,619
by somebody?"
1537
00:55:21,619 --> 00:55:23,354
Or, "Didn't he lose
his parents?"
1538
00:55:23,354 --> 00:55:24,722
That kind of thing.
1539
00:55:24,722 --> 00:55:27,358
The director
of the orphanage said
1540
00:55:27,358 --> 00:55:28,459
she comes to visit him
1541
00:55:28,459 --> 00:55:30,395
every couple of weeks.
1542
00:55:30,395 --> 00:55:31,929
I was shocked,
and I
1543
00:55:31,929 --> 00:55:33,197
I said,
you know,
1544
00:55:33,197 --> 00:55:34,532
"Why does she
come and see him?"
1545
00:55:34,532 --> 00:55:35,966
And he said,
"Well, she loves him
1546
00:55:35,966 --> 00:55:37,568
and she wants
to make sure he's okay,
1547
00:55:37,568 --> 00:55:39,504
and she brings him
gifts and things."
1548
00:55:39,504 --> 00:55:41,506
Then when we met her,
1549
00:55:41,506 --> 00:55:43,007
I asked her, you know,
1550
00:55:43,007 --> 00:55:45,109
"Why did you bring him
to the orphanage?"
1551
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:47,645
And she said, "I just didn't
have enough money to feed him.
1552
00:55:47,645 --> 00:55:49,013
"I don't have
a good place to live.
1553
00:55:49,013 --> 00:55:50,080
"I live in Cite Soleil.
1554
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,882
"There's, like, gangs
1555
00:55:51,882 --> 00:55:52,750
"and violence,
1556
00:55:52,750 --> 00:55:55,252
"and so the orphanage
1557
00:55:55,252 --> 00:55:57,354
was the best solution for him."
1558
00:55:57,354 --> 00:55:58,523
So we asked her,
1559
00:55:58,523 --> 00:56:00,691
"If you would
have had a job,
1560
00:56:00,691 --> 00:56:03,461
would you have
kept your child?"
1561
00:56:03,461 --> 00:56:05,129
And she said,
"Of course I would.
1562
00:56:05,129 --> 00:56:06,196
Yeah."
1563
00:56:06,196 --> 00:56:08,165
And it was
like this
1564
00:56:08,165 --> 00:56:09,299
this shock,
1565
00:56:09,299 --> 00:56:11,936
you know, of
I'm spending $20,000
1566
00:56:11,936 --> 00:56:14,472
on this adoption
1567
00:56:14,472 --> 00:56:16,441
to be able to raise a child
1568
00:56:16,441 --> 00:56:18,308
that this mother wants.
1569
00:56:18,308 --> 00:56:20,911
And the
1570
00:56:20,911 --> 00:56:22,212
injustice of that
1571
00:56:22,212 --> 00:56:24,048
really took me.
1572
00:56:24,048 --> 00:56:25,650
CORRIGAN: So we began
to have conversations
1573
00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:27,818
with the families
of these children,
1574
00:56:27,818 --> 00:56:29,787
and with the children
themselves,
1575
00:56:29,787 --> 00:56:32,089
and the orphanage we're in,
1576
00:56:32,089 --> 00:56:33,791
there were 24 boys
1577
00:56:33,791 --> 00:56:35,125
that we were
taking care of
1578
00:56:35,125 --> 00:56:36,193
at the time.
1579
00:56:36,193 --> 00:56:38,328
Two of them
1580
00:56:38,328 --> 00:56:39,964
did not have
1581
00:56:39,964 --> 00:56:40,998
living parents.
1582
00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:44,935
As we started to learn
1583
00:56:44,935 --> 00:56:46,671
about other orphanages too,
1584
00:56:46,671 --> 00:56:49,440
and ask questions and things,
1585
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,241
we found out that
was fairly typical
1586
00:56:51,241 --> 00:56:54,244
that I would say
conservatively,
1587
00:56:54,244 --> 00:56:55,446
roughly 80%
1588
00:56:55,446 --> 00:56:57,314
of the kids
1589
00:56:57,314 --> 00:56:58,483
in orphanages
in Haiti
1590
00:56:58,483 --> 00:56:59,684
are not true orphans,
1591
00:56:59,684 --> 00:57:01,185
but are poverty orphans.
1592
00:57:01,185 --> 00:57:04,121
( music playing )
1593
00:57:12,029 --> 00:57:13,864
TIMOTHY: This is another
kind of corruption,
1594
00:57:13,864 --> 00:57:15,733
another kind of destruction
of this whole system.
1595
00:57:15,733 --> 00:57:17,434
When I did the
research for CARE,
1596
00:57:17,434 --> 00:57:19,303
and I wrote about
this in Travesty,
1597
00:57:19,303 --> 00:57:20,705
I couldn't find
any orphans
1598
00:57:20,705 --> 00:57:22,973
that didn't have parents,
they all had parents.
1599
00:57:22,973 --> 00:57:24,575
And when you really
get into it, well of course
1600
00:57:24,575 --> 00:57:25,710
they have parents,
because orphan
1601
00:57:25,710 --> 00:57:26,944
is a coveted position.
1602
00:57:26,944 --> 00:57:29,213
It's school,
it's books,
1603
00:57:29,213 --> 00:57:30,414
it's maybe
even a visa,
1604
00:57:30,414 --> 00:57:31,949
maybe even
an adoption.
1605
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:34,652
But it does perverted things
1606
00:57:34,652 --> 00:57:36,621
at the lower level
of the system, you know.
1607
00:57:38,355 --> 00:57:40,457
KENNETH: Some parents,
because they cannot
1608
00:57:40,457 --> 00:57:41,592
take care of their child
1609
00:57:41,592 --> 00:57:43,060
and they hear that
1610
00:57:43,060 --> 00:57:44,995
somebody is opening
an orphanage
1611
00:57:44,995 --> 00:57:46,296
because some donor
1612
00:57:46,296 --> 00:57:47,632
wants to do good
1613
00:57:47,632 --> 00:57:49,299
and wants to open
an orphanage,
1614
00:57:49,299 --> 00:57:50,635
because he hears
that children,
1615
00:57:50,635 --> 00:57:52,670
Haitian children
are dying
1616
00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:54,138
or suffering.
1617
00:57:54,138 --> 00:57:55,573
The parent would turn
1618
00:57:55,573 --> 00:57:57,808
their own kid to the orphanage
1619
00:57:57,808 --> 00:58:00,010
and would often
go visit the kid
1620
00:58:00,010 --> 00:58:01,145
once a month.
1621
00:58:01,145 --> 00:58:02,780
But you have
relieved the parent
1622
00:58:02,780 --> 00:58:04,715
of the obligation
1623
00:58:04,715 --> 00:58:06,216
to educate his kid,
1624
00:58:06,216 --> 00:58:08,786
but you've also
drained that kid out
1625
00:58:08,786 --> 00:58:10,788
of emotional ties,
1626
00:58:10,788 --> 00:58:12,289
of the love of a mother,
1627
00:58:12,289 --> 00:58:14,124
the respect of a father,
1628
00:58:14,124 --> 00:58:15,425
and that kid growing up
1629
00:58:15,425 --> 00:58:16,727
may not have all that sense
1630
00:58:16,727 --> 00:58:18,328
of responsibility.
1631
00:58:18,328 --> 00:58:19,396
So you are actually
1632
00:58:19,396 --> 00:58:21,732
creating that cycle
1633
00:58:21,732 --> 00:58:23,100
of destruction.
1634
00:58:25,369 --> 00:58:27,905
CORRIGAN: After living in
an orphanage for a year
1635
00:58:27,905 --> 00:58:29,506
and getting to know
the language
1636
00:58:29,506 --> 00:58:30,808
and the culture and the people
1637
00:58:30,808 --> 00:58:32,810
and really building
relationships,
1638
00:58:32,810 --> 00:58:34,144
we began to kind of see
1639
00:58:34,144 --> 00:58:35,713
that the system
1640
00:58:35,713 --> 00:58:37,414
of addressing
the needs
1641
00:58:37,414 --> 00:58:38,749
of orphans
1642
00:58:38,749 --> 00:58:40,818
was actually a system
1643
00:58:40,818 --> 00:58:42,620
that was
creating orphans.
1644
00:58:43,654 --> 00:58:44,922
The way that
1645
00:58:44,922 --> 00:58:46,490
charitable organizations
1646
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:48,325
are addressing orphans
1647
00:58:48,325 --> 00:58:49,960
in Haiti is symptomatic
1648
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,630
of a larger belief that says
1649
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:55,332
these are issues
that must be addressed
1650
00:58:55,332 --> 00:58:57,568
versus these are people
that must be addressed.
1651
00:58:57,568 --> 00:58:59,570
Issues are addressed
institutionally,
1652
00:58:59,570 --> 00:59:00,838
programmatically.
1653
00:59:00,838 --> 00:59:02,106
People are addressed
1654
00:59:02,106 --> 00:59:03,407
in their story,
1655
00:59:03,407 --> 00:59:05,342
in reflexive dialog,
1656
00:59:05,342 --> 00:59:06,877
through questions
and listening.
1657
00:59:08,112 --> 00:59:09,680
There was one child
in particular
1658
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,616
in the orphanage
we worked in that,
1659
00:59:11,616 --> 00:59:13,483
when his
adoptive family
1660
00:59:13,483 --> 00:59:14,985
was coming
to visit,
1661
00:59:14,985 --> 00:59:16,621
I asked him, "Hey,
are you excited?
1662
00:59:16,621 --> 00:59:17,922
I mean, your mom
and dad are coming."
1663
00:59:17,922 --> 00:59:20,925
And he goes,
"They aren't my mom and dad."
1664
00:59:20,925 --> 00:59:22,392
I said, "Well, I know
they're not yet,
1665
00:59:22,392 --> 00:59:24,094
"but they're going to be.
They're adopting you.
1666
00:59:24,094 --> 00:59:25,663
They're going
to be your family."
1667
00:59:25,663 --> 00:59:27,231
He's like, "No, they're
never going to be
1668
00:59:27,231 --> 00:59:28,332
my mom and dad."
1669
00:59:28,332 --> 00:59:29,967
This child
is about 14.
1670
00:59:29,967 --> 00:59:31,335
He said,
1671
00:59:31,335 --> 00:59:32,502
"No, my mom
and dad are here
1672
00:59:32,502 --> 00:59:33,638
"in Haiti.
I know them.
1673
00:59:33,638 --> 00:59:35,706
"My Haitian parents
1674
00:59:35,706 --> 00:59:37,474
"told me that I'm like
1675
00:59:37,474 --> 00:59:38,976
"the special kid in the family,
1676
00:59:38,976 --> 00:59:40,911
"that I get to go
to the orphanage.
1677
00:59:40,911 --> 00:59:42,246
"I'm just going to go
1678
00:59:42,246 --> 00:59:43,748
"To the United States
with these people,
1679
00:59:43,748 --> 00:59:44,815
but they're not
really my family."
1680
00:59:44,815 --> 00:59:45,883
I said, "Well, you know,
1681
00:59:45,883 --> 00:59:48,786
"their expectation is that
1682
00:59:48,786 --> 00:59:50,420
"you're going to be
a part of their family,
1683
00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:52,657
"and they'd probably
be really hurt to know
1684
00:59:52,657 --> 00:59:53,958
"that you have
no intention of really
1685
00:59:53,958 --> 00:59:56,593
"being a part
of their family."
1686
00:59:59,329 --> 01:00:02,332
We've adopted
two Haitian children,
1687
01:00:02,332 --> 01:00:03,868
Jackson and Ember.
1688
01:00:03,868 --> 01:00:06,570
Ember's mother died
after childbirth,
1689
01:00:06,570 --> 01:00:08,839
and Jackson's mother
1690
01:00:08,839 --> 01:00:10,607
abandoned him at the gates
of the orphanage.
1691
01:00:10,607 --> 01:00:12,309
She came with him
1692
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:14,511
and then was supposed
to bring back papers
1693
01:00:14,511 --> 01:00:16,613
relinquishing him,
but did not.
1694
01:00:16,613 --> 01:00:17,848
This is Jackson
right here.
1695
01:00:19,383 --> 01:00:20,484
He's a big boy,
1696
01:00:20,484 --> 01:00:21,786
but when he was,
1697
01:00:21,786 --> 01:00:23,120
when he was
in the orphanage,
1698
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,790
he actually almost died
of starvation twice
1699
01:00:25,790 --> 01:00:28,258
because this
institutional approach
1700
01:00:28,258 --> 01:00:29,626
at caring for kids,
1701
01:00:29,626 --> 01:00:31,128
they were just plugging him
with a bottle
1702
01:00:31,128 --> 01:00:33,530
and they didn't know
he was lactose intolerant,
1703
01:00:33,530 --> 01:00:35,666
and so he was throwing up
all his food
1704
01:00:35,666 --> 01:00:37,534
and just
1705
01:00:37,534 --> 01:00:38,769
almost died twice.
1706
01:00:38,769 --> 01:00:40,204
He had to go
to the hospital.
1707
01:00:40,204 --> 01:00:42,707
And obviously now,
he's eating just fine.
1708
01:00:46,844 --> 01:00:48,078
How are you doing,
baby?
1709
01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:51,849
We're advocates
for adoption.
1710
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:54,952
It is broken
1711
01:00:54,952 --> 01:00:56,586
and not right
1712
01:00:56,586 --> 01:00:57,888
that a kid
would grow up
1713
01:00:57,888 --> 01:00:59,089
without parents.
1714
01:01:00,791 --> 01:01:02,459
That's the very same thing
1715
01:01:02,459 --> 01:01:04,762
that influences us to say,
1716
01:01:04,762 --> 01:01:06,964
don't get involved
1717
01:01:06,964 --> 01:01:08,733
with orphanages
and adoption
1718
01:01:08,733 --> 01:01:11,535
that are separating kids
from their parents.
1719
01:01:11,535 --> 01:01:12,770
If I was in
1720
01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:14,371
a personal
financial crisis
1721
01:01:14,371 --> 01:01:16,306
and I could not feed
my child,
1722
01:01:16,306 --> 01:01:18,809
I could no longer pay
for their school supplies
1723
01:01:18,809 --> 01:01:20,077
or for them
to go to school,
1724
01:01:20,077 --> 01:01:21,411
I didn't have enough
money for them
1725
01:01:21,411 --> 01:01:23,513
to ride the bus,
whatever,
1726
01:01:23,513 --> 01:01:25,282
and somebody
from some other nation
1727
01:01:25,282 --> 01:01:26,383
came in
1728
01:01:26,383 --> 01:01:27,952
and said,
1729
01:01:27,952 --> 01:01:29,619
"Hey, you know what?
1730
01:01:29,619 --> 01:01:31,121
We've got a solution.
1731
01:01:31,121 --> 01:01:32,622
What we'll do
is we'll set up
1732
01:01:32,622 --> 01:01:34,224
a house
1733
01:01:34,224 --> 01:01:36,961
where all the kids that have
that problem can come live.
1734
01:01:36,961 --> 01:01:39,096
They're not going to be
your child anymore.
1735
01:01:39,096 --> 01:01:41,265
You're just going to have
to give them to us,
1736
01:01:41,265 --> 01:01:43,700
but we'll make sure they
have everything they need,"
1737
01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:45,870
is that the solution
that you'd want?
1738
01:01:45,870 --> 01:01:49,239
And I think most
honest people would say,
1739
01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:51,441
"No, I wanna raise
my own child.
1740
01:01:51,441 --> 01:01:53,177
"I just need a job.
1741
01:01:53,177 --> 01:01:54,779
"I need some way
to make some money,
1742
01:01:54,779 --> 01:01:56,480
and I'm going
to take care of my kid."
1743
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,217
( music playing )
1744
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:06,957
SHELLY: So we had an intern
1745
01:02:06,957 --> 01:02:08,692
who was there for the summer,
1746
01:02:08,692 --> 01:02:10,795
and she knew
what my vision was
1747
01:02:10,795 --> 01:02:12,596
as far as starting
1748
01:02:12,596 --> 01:02:13,630
some sort of artisan thing.
1749
01:02:13,630 --> 01:02:15,132
Because we had a bunch
1750
01:02:15,132 --> 01:02:16,666
of people in our lives
and there was about
1751
01:02:16,666 --> 01:02:18,568
four women who had
either given their kid up
1752
01:02:18,568 --> 01:02:21,338
for adoption already
or who were at risk for that,
1753
01:02:21,338 --> 01:02:22,406
and so she said,
1754
01:02:22,406 --> 01:02:23,540
"Can I invite them over
1755
01:02:23,540 --> 01:02:24,942
"For two days a week
and just teach them
1756
01:02:24,942 --> 01:02:26,243
how to make earrings?"
1757
01:02:26,243 --> 01:02:27,778
I was like,
"Great. Let's do it."
1758
01:02:27,778 --> 01:02:29,546
Bonjour.
1759
01:02:29,546 --> 01:02:33,083
( speaking in French )
1760
01:02:33,083 --> 01:02:34,384
SHELLY:
December of 2009,
1761
01:02:34,384 --> 01:02:36,420
we had a fair
here in Haiti
1762
01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:38,488
and I think we sold $800
1763
01:02:38,488 --> 01:02:41,358
worth of product,
and we were so excited.
1764
01:02:42,860 --> 01:02:44,328
We kept growing
and we had about
1765
01:02:44,328 --> 01:02:46,396
probably 16 to 20
artisans working.
1766
01:02:46,396 --> 01:02:47,497
It was in our house,
1767
01:02:47,497 --> 01:02:49,033
in our living room
and our garage.
1768
01:02:50,634 --> 01:02:52,002
And then probably 2011,
1769
01:02:52,002 --> 01:02:53,170
we started getting
into retail.
1770
01:02:53,170 --> 01:02:54,805
We got involved
with designers
1771
01:02:54,805 --> 01:02:56,173
like Donna Karan.
1772
01:02:56,173 --> 01:02:57,574
We've been carried
in stores
1773
01:02:57,574 --> 01:02:58,809
like The Gap, Walmart.
1774
01:02:58,809 --> 01:03:01,045
Disney has stuff.
1775
01:03:01,045 --> 01:03:03,881
In 2011, in the month
of December,
1776
01:03:03,881 --> 01:03:07,117
we sold $100,000
worth of jewelry.
1777
01:03:07,117 --> 01:03:08,785
We have about
220 people
1778
01:03:08,785 --> 01:03:10,487
right now working.
1779
01:03:10,487 --> 01:03:11,655
My vision
1780
01:03:11,655 --> 01:03:12,890
is a thousand people.
1781
01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:16,060
( music playing )
1782
01:03:18,495 --> 01:03:21,398
CORRIGAN: When my family
first came to Haiti,
1783
01:03:21,398 --> 01:03:23,233
we had in our savings,
1784
01:03:23,233 --> 01:03:25,569
it was about $35,000.
1785
01:03:25,569 --> 01:03:27,137
I thought
1786
01:03:27,137 --> 01:03:28,906
that we'd start
an orphanage
1787
01:03:28,906 --> 01:03:30,107
and then be asking people
1788
01:03:30,107 --> 01:03:31,441
to help us sustain that,
1789
01:03:31,441 --> 01:03:33,577
so it would be
this constant
1790
01:03:33,577 --> 01:03:35,445
need for help.
1791
01:03:35,445 --> 01:03:37,114
Because we started
a business,
1792
01:03:37,114 --> 01:03:39,516
now the amount
that we came with,
1793
01:03:39,516 --> 01:03:42,052
that's the amount
that we're averaging
1794
01:03:42,052 --> 01:03:43,921
in income for our artisans
1795
01:03:43,921 --> 01:03:45,322
every month.
1796
01:03:45,322 --> 01:03:47,992
It's not a charitable
like gift,
1797
01:03:47,992 --> 01:03:49,726
"Here's a bunch
of money every month."
1798
01:03:49,726 --> 01:03:50,794
But it's something that
1799
01:03:50,794 --> 01:03:51,962
they can look at and say,
1800
01:03:51,962 --> 01:03:53,497
"This is mine.
I earned it.
1801
01:03:53,497 --> 01:03:55,199
"It's something that
I can choose
1802
01:03:55,199 --> 01:03:56,533
"What to do with it,
1803
01:03:56,533 --> 01:03:58,735
"And somebody out there
1804
01:03:58,735 --> 01:04:00,070
"Valued what I did
1805
01:04:00,070 --> 01:04:01,438
and purchased it."
1806
01:04:03,941 --> 01:04:07,878
( music playing )
1807
01:04:11,215 --> 01:04:13,483
SHELLY: Makilene
is a miracle story for me.
1808
01:04:14,584 --> 01:04:16,320
I was walking home one day
1809
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,255
andwalked up to my gate,
1810
01:04:18,255 --> 01:04:20,590
and there's this woman sitting
on the ground in the dirt
1811
01:04:20,590 --> 01:04:21,992
with a baby in her arms.
1812
01:04:22,893 --> 01:04:24,328
She was covered
in scabies,
1813
01:04:24,328 --> 01:04:25,795
her baby is covered
in scabies.
1814
01:04:25,795 --> 01:04:27,131
They hadn't eaten.
1815
01:04:27,131 --> 01:04:29,033
She came here looking
for an orphanage,
1816
01:04:29,033 --> 01:04:30,234
so the last thing
I wanted to do
1817
01:04:30,234 --> 01:04:31,468
was send her
to an orphanage,
1818
01:04:31,468 --> 01:04:33,470
and I said to her,
"You know what?
1819
01:04:33,470 --> 01:04:35,139
"I'm going
to make you a deal.
1820
01:04:35,139 --> 01:04:36,974
"Go get all your kids.
Come back here,
1821
01:04:36,974 --> 01:04:39,343
"and I'm going to invite you
to work with us.
1822
01:04:39,343 --> 01:04:40,544
And I'm gonna
just try it."
1823
01:04:41,645 --> 01:04:42,846
Here she is
1824
01:04:42,846 --> 01:04:44,148
in Port-au-Prince
with her kids.
1825
01:04:44,148 --> 01:04:46,150
She's not making
any money yet,
1826
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:48,018
so she goes to live
in a tent.
1827
01:04:50,787 --> 01:04:54,524
( speaking in foreign language )
1828
01:05:09,339 --> 01:05:12,176
SHELLY: Her kids were
in a horrible situation,
1829
01:05:12,176 --> 01:05:14,444
but she started
to work.
1830
01:05:14,444 --> 01:05:15,845
And she
1831
01:05:15,845 --> 01:05:17,647
is an amazing woman.
1832
01:05:17,647 --> 01:05:19,183
She's an entrepreneur.
1833
01:05:19,183 --> 01:05:20,450
Within about three months,
1834
01:05:20,450 --> 01:05:22,953
she had probably
10 employees of her own.
1835
01:05:24,955 --> 01:05:26,556
She was talking about
needing a house,
1836
01:05:26,556 --> 01:05:29,059
and I said, "I don't have
money for a house for you,
1837
01:05:29,059 --> 01:05:30,794
"So let's break it down
into something
1838
01:05:30,794 --> 01:05:31,996
that you can imagine."
1839
01:05:31,996 --> 01:05:34,631
I said, "If you need $2,000
1840
01:05:34,631 --> 01:05:35,966
for land for your home
1841
01:05:35,966 --> 01:05:38,068
and you're getting
$12 on a necklace,
1842
01:05:38,068 --> 01:05:39,536
how many necklaces is that?
1843
01:05:39,536 --> 01:05:42,606
It's less than
200 necklaces."
1844
01:05:42,606 --> 01:05:45,075
And her brain
just about exploded.
1845
01:05:45,075 --> 01:05:46,876
I mean, you could see
this click in her mind.
1846
01:05:46,876 --> 01:05:48,245
Her eyes opened up
1847
01:05:48,245 --> 01:05:50,747
and she's like,
"I can make 200 necklaces.
1848
01:05:50,747 --> 01:05:51,948
That's not a problem."
1849
01:05:51,948 --> 01:05:53,883
And it was about
1850
01:05:53,883 --> 01:05:55,085
six months
or something
1851
01:05:55,085 --> 01:05:56,553
and she bought
her own property.
1852
01:05:58,755 --> 01:06:02,492
( speaking in foreign language )
1853
01:06:09,433 --> 01:06:11,135
SHELLY:
She did it herself.
1854
01:06:11,135 --> 01:06:13,070
It's two bedrooms.
It's her own.
1855
01:06:13,070 --> 01:06:15,205
She never has
to pay rent again.
1856
01:06:15,205 --> 01:06:17,574
And she's now
changed her life.
1857
01:06:19,343 --> 01:06:23,280
( speaking in foreign language )
1858
01:06:50,974 --> 01:06:52,509
SHELLY:
You see mostly men here,
1859
01:06:52,509 --> 01:06:55,279
which a lot of people
are surprised about.
1860
01:06:55,279 --> 01:06:56,646
We started out
with women,
1861
01:06:56,646 --> 01:06:58,548
trying to do a women's
work initiative
1862
01:06:58,548 --> 01:07:00,450
because that's sort
of the thing to do, right?
1863
01:07:00,450 --> 01:07:02,986
And, um,
we found that fathers
1864
01:07:02,986 --> 01:07:04,688
are parents too,
1865
01:07:04,688 --> 01:07:05,889
and we also found that
1866
01:07:05,889 --> 01:07:07,691
in a family situation,
1867
01:07:07,691 --> 01:07:09,593
if mothers are all
that is needed,
1868
01:07:09,593 --> 01:07:11,027
what role is there
for a father?
1869
01:07:11,027 --> 01:07:12,829
And that sort of contributes
1870
01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:14,764
to the situation
in Haiti
1871
01:07:14,764 --> 01:07:15,999
of fatherlessness.
1872
01:07:15,999 --> 01:07:18,402
Most of the guys here
are fathers,
1873
01:07:18,402 --> 01:07:19,603
and they're working
1874
01:07:19,603 --> 01:07:20,937
to take care
of their kids.
1875
01:07:20,937 --> 01:07:22,372
He's got a baby
on the way.
1876
01:07:22,372 --> 01:07:24,441
He's got two children.
He's got a baby.
1877
01:07:24,441 --> 01:07:25,809
You know, and they're
all doing a good job
1878
01:07:25,809 --> 01:07:28,912
being fathers
to their children right now.
1879
01:07:28,912 --> 01:07:30,080
I think my biggest concern
1880
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,348
in even doing
this interview
1881
01:07:31,348 --> 01:07:33,049
is that I don't
want to come across
1882
01:07:33,049 --> 01:07:35,285
as critical
to those
1883
01:07:35,285 --> 01:07:36,353
who have helped
1884
01:07:36,353 --> 01:07:37,421
and who have tried
to help.
1885
01:07:37,421 --> 01:07:39,223
As we grow
and we learn
1886
01:07:39,223 --> 01:07:41,358
and we figure
things out
1887
01:07:41,358 --> 01:07:43,293
in the same way that I've
gone through that journey,
1888
01:07:43,293 --> 01:07:45,595
that there is
a better way to help.
1889
01:07:47,164 --> 01:07:49,166
Giving power
1890
01:07:49,166 --> 01:07:50,967
to the parents
1891
01:07:50,967 --> 01:07:52,336
is exponential
1892
01:07:52,336 --> 01:07:54,238
in how many kids
you can help.
1893
01:07:54,238 --> 01:07:56,306
I've estimated
with 250 employees,
1894
01:07:56,306 --> 01:07:57,907
we're helping
at least
1895
01:07:57,907 --> 01:07:59,509
750 children,
1896
01:07:59,509 --> 01:08:01,211
possibly
2,000 people
1897
01:08:01,211 --> 01:08:03,947
if we think they're supporting
their whole families.
1898
01:08:03,947 --> 01:08:06,883
I mean, there is no orphanage
that can be sustainable
1899
01:08:06,883 --> 01:08:08,618
to take care
of 750 children.
1900
01:08:08,618 --> 01:08:10,387
I mean, an orphanage
of a hundred kids
1901
01:08:10,387 --> 01:08:11,521
has to have
a minimum
1902
01:08:11,521 --> 01:08:13,457
of $400,000
a year,
1903
01:08:13,457 --> 01:08:15,559
and they have
to fund-raise for that,
1904
01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:18,162
and they have to pull out
their flies-on-child pictures,
1905
01:08:18,162 --> 01:08:19,463
you know,
in order to do that,
1906
01:08:19,463 --> 01:08:21,064
which then creates
this whole model
1907
01:08:21,064 --> 01:08:23,167
of those poor people,
1908
01:08:23,167 --> 01:08:24,968
those poor,
desolate people.
1909
01:08:24,968 --> 01:08:26,035
They're not desolate.
1910
01:08:26,035 --> 01:08:27,204
They have hope.
1911
01:08:27,204 --> 01:08:28,438
They have a way
to get out of it.
1912
01:08:28,438 --> 01:08:30,607
There's a way
to fix it.
1913
01:08:39,516 --> 01:08:41,851
MUHAMMAD:
When I talk about poverty,
1914
01:08:41,851 --> 01:08:43,353
one example
1915
01:08:43,353 --> 01:08:45,989
I like to give
1916
01:08:45,989 --> 01:08:47,224
is the bonsai tree.
1917
01:08:48,425 --> 01:08:50,794
Go and look
at the tallest tree
1918
01:08:50,794 --> 01:08:51,861
in the forest
1919
01:08:51,861 --> 01:08:53,163
and pick the best seed
1920
01:08:53,163 --> 01:08:54,731
of the tallest tree
1921
01:08:54,731 --> 01:08:56,966
and plant it
in a flower pot.
1922
01:08:56,966 --> 01:08:58,668
You get about a meter high
1923
01:08:58,668 --> 01:09:01,571
or less than
a meter high plant.
1924
01:09:01,571 --> 01:09:03,507
So what's wrong
with this little one?
1925
01:09:03,507 --> 01:09:05,141
The wrong thing is the
1926
01:09:05,141 --> 01:09:06,576
flower pot.
1927
01:09:06,576 --> 01:09:08,578
If you had planted
in the real soil,
1928
01:09:08,578 --> 01:09:10,113
it would be as tall
as the tree
1929
01:09:10,113 --> 01:09:12,048
that you saw
in the forest.
1930
01:09:12,048 --> 01:09:13,116
Poor people
1931
01:09:13,116 --> 01:09:14,718
are bonsai people.
1932
01:09:14,718 --> 01:09:17,221
Society doesn't
provide them the base.
1933
01:09:18,154 --> 01:09:19,223
The laws
1934
01:09:19,223 --> 01:09:20,557
and the institutions
1935
01:09:20,557 --> 01:09:23,260
and the policies do not
allow them the base,
1936
01:09:23,260 --> 01:09:24,928
so they remain stunted,
1937
01:09:24,928 --> 01:09:26,930
and we call them poor people.
1938
01:09:30,166 --> 01:09:33,069
JOSHUA:
My name is Joshua Omoga
1939
01:09:33,069 --> 01:09:34,304
I'm a businessman,
1940
01:09:35,639 --> 01:09:37,874
operating a shop
within Kibera.
1941
01:09:39,976 --> 01:09:41,845
I left my rural area
1942
01:09:41,845 --> 01:09:43,213
to come to Nairobi
1943
01:09:43,213 --> 01:09:44,414
to search for a job
1944
01:09:44,414 --> 01:09:46,750
and better my life.
1945
01:09:46,750 --> 01:09:48,385
I borrowed
1946
01:09:48,385 --> 01:09:50,354
some money
from a friend
1947
01:09:50,354 --> 01:09:52,822
and started
by selling
1948
01:09:52,822 --> 01:09:54,291
vegetables
1949
01:09:54,291 --> 01:09:55,692
by my doorsteps.
1950
01:09:58,161 --> 01:10:00,297
I live in the same place
I work,
1951
01:10:00,297 --> 01:10:02,131
and this place is very small.
1952
01:10:02,131 --> 01:10:03,433
The place is not mine,
1953
01:10:03,433 --> 01:10:05,068
so you cannot expand it.
1954
01:10:05,068 --> 01:10:06,202
It's not easy to
1955
01:10:06,202 --> 01:10:07,471
register the business
1956
01:10:07,471 --> 01:10:10,307
because Kibera has
1957
01:10:10,307 --> 01:10:11,608
temporary structures.
1958
01:10:11,608 --> 01:10:14,744
And the government
does not recognize
1959
01:10:14,744 --> 01:10:17,213
temporary structures
to be registered.
1960
01:10:17,213 --> 01:10:19,215
So that's the--
one of the challenges
1961
01:10:19,215 --> 01:10:20,350
I am facing.
1962
01:10:20,350 --> 01:10:22,419
For now,
I'm saving for my
1963
01:10:22,419 --> 01:10:24,220
son, so that
1964
01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:26,490
when he reaches this,
1965
01:10:26,490 --> 01:10:27,957
the time
he is going to start
1966
01:10:27,957 --> 01:10:29,025
his school,
1967
01:10:29,025 --> 01:10:30,260
primary level,
1968
01:10:30,260 --> 01:10:31,461
I'll be having something
1969
01:10:31,461 --> 01:10:32,929
in the account
to support
1970
01:10:32,929 --> 01:10:34,631
his education.
1971
01:10:34,631 --> 01:10:36,900
My future plan
is to invest
1972
01:10:36,900 --> 01:10:39,035
heavily
in my business.
1973
01:10:39,035 --> 01:10:40,704
And
1974
01:10:40,704 --> 01:10:44,274
I'm planning
to relocate from Kibera
1975
01:10:44,274 --> 01:10:46,109
to another place,
1976
01:10:46,109 --> 01:10:47,311
where life's
1977
01:10:47,311 --> 01:10:49,579
more better than Kibera
1978
01:10:49,579 --> 01:10:51,648
and register my business.
1979
01:10:53,149 --> 01:10:54,651
PAUL: One careless
1980
01:10:54,651 --> 01:10:56,653
romantic vision
of the poor
1981
01:10:56,653 --> 01:10:59,623
is that they are being
so exploited
1982
01:10:59,623 --> 01:11:02,158
that they should
just be left
1983
01:11:02,158 --> 01:11:05,729
to retreat into
self-sufficiency,
1984
01:11:05,729 --> 01:11:08,365
the organic,
holistic peasant,
1985
01:11:08,365 --> 01:11:09,566
uncontaminated
1986
01:11:09,566 --> 01:11:11,267
by the dirty business
1987
01:11:11,267 --> 01:11:13,069
of a market economy.
1988
01:11:13,069 --> 01:11:14,538
And of course,
that is just
1989
01:11:14,538 --> 01:11:16,340
romantic nonsense.
1990
01:11:16,340 --> 01:11:18,708
People who retreat
into subsistence,
1991
01:11:18,708 --> 01:11:20,344
disconnected
from the market,
1992
01:11:20,344 --> 01:11:21,411
are poor.
1993
01:11:21,411 --> 01:11:22,612
The only ones
who are not
1994
01:11:22,612 --> 01:11:24,548
start off
as investment bankers
1995
01:11:24,548 --> 01:11:26,015
and then go
and live out
1996
01:11:26,015 --> 01:11:27,183
this romantic fantasy,
1997
01:11:27,183 --> 01:11:28,518
and that's fine
for them.
1998
01:11:28,518 --> 01:11:30,320
It's no good
for today's poor.
1999
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:31,421
Today's poor
2000
01:11:31,421 --> 01:11:33,089
need all
the connections
2001
01:11:33,089 --> 01:11:35,459
they can get.
2002
01:11:35,459 --> 01:11:37,361
ANDREAS:
I'm frustrated with this idea
2003
01:11:37,361 --> 01:11:38,762
that poverty means
2004
01:11:38,762 --> 01:11:41,197
living on one
or two dollars a day.
2005
01:11:41,197 --> 01:11:42,666
That is a very
2006
01:11:42,666 --> 01:11:45,301
bad way to state
the problem.
2007
01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:46,803
Being poor
2008
01:11:46,803 --> 01:11:48,738
has something to do
with being excluded
2009
01:11:48,738 --> 01:11:51,341
from networks of productivity
and exchange.
2010
01:11:51,341 --> 01:11:52,809
That means cell phones,
2011
01:11:52,809 --> 01:11:54,043
internet, banks,
2012
01:11:54,043 --> 01:11:55,345
financial systems,
2013
01:11:55,345 --> 01:11:56,846
educational systems.
2014
01:12:02,318 --> 01:12:04,020
CHARLES:
I started a small company,
2015
01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:05,389
juice processing,
2016
01:12:05,389 --> 01:12:06,656
based in Ghana,
2017
01:12:06,656 --> 01:12:09,192
selling pineapple juice,
2018
01:12:09,192 --> 01:12:11,528
with four or five workers,
2019
01:12:11,528 --> 01:12:13,530
including myself,
2020
01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:15,732
and I've come to the state
where I have 15 workers,
2021
01:12:15,732 --> 01:12:18,402
and at peak season,
up to 20 workers.
2022
01:12:18,402 --> 01:12:20,003
We start small,
2023
01:12:20,003 --> 01:12:21,438
tend to want to expand,
2024
01:12:21,438 --> 01:12:23,039
but because you are
a young guy
2025
01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:24,874
with no collateral,
2026
01:12:24,874 --> 01:12:27,377
no landed property,
as they call it,
2027
01:12:27,377 --> 01:12:30,146
you cannot access
any facility or loan.
2028
01:12:30,146 --> 01:12:32,916
And you want to do business
in Ghana, it's frustrating.
2029
01:12:32,916 --> 01:12:34,551
At this stage,
it's more difficult
2030
01:12:34,551 --> 01:12:36,386
because you can't move
to the middle state
2031
01:12:36,386 --> 01:12:38,588
that you really, really
can make some money.
2032
01:12:38,588 --> 01:12:40,424
Because like,
you need to access
2033
01:12:40,424 --> 01:12:42,191
sizeable amounts of money,
2034
01:12:42,191 --> 01:12:43,593
which family cannot get,
2035
01:12:43,593 --> 01:12:44,961
our friends cannot get,
2036
01:12:44,961 --> 01:12:46,730
and you have to pay
those interest rates,
2037
01:12:46,730 --> 01:12:49,232
it will kill your business.
2038
01:12:49,232 --> 01:12:50,366
We're looking about
2039
01:12:50,366 --> 01:12:52,436
six to ten percent monthly.
2040
01:12:53,503 --> 01:12:55,304
That's about 72%
2041
01:12:55,304 --> 01:12:58,207
to 120% annually
2042
01:12:58,207 --> 01:12:59,943
of interest rate.
2043
01:12:59,943 --> 01:13:01,310
There is no business
2044
01:13:01,310 --> 01:13:02,712
that can make such profit
2045
01:13:02,712 --> 01:13:04,481
that you can pay off
your loan
2046
01:13:05,348 --> 01:13:06,750
with such interest.
2047
01:13:09,085 --> 01:13:10,153
In Ghana, we have
2048
01:13:10,153 --> 01:13:11,354
small-scaled,
2049
01:13:11,354 --> 01:13:13,156
small micro-financing
companies
2050
01:13:13,156 --> 01:13:14,223
that will tend to lend out
2051
01:13:14,223 --> 01:13:16,392
to market-women,
small shops.
2052
01:13:16,392 --> 01:13:17,927
That micro-financing
companies,
2053
01:13:17,927 --> 01:13:20,263
we have a lot of them
in the system.
2054
01:13:20,263 --> 01:13:21,698
Then we have the big banks
2055
01:13:21,698 --> 01:13:24,100
who tend to lend out
to big companies.
2056
01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:25,368
So, there's a gap.
2057
01:13:25,368 --> 01:13:28,071
There's a gap
between the small
2058
01:13:28,071 --> 01:13:29,773
and the large scale
2059
01:13:29,773 --> 01:13:31,941
big companies.
But in between them,
2060
01:13:31,941 --> 01:13:33,543
we don't have those
who want to lend out
2061
01:13:33,543 --> 01:13:35,612
to the SMEs.
2062
01:13:35,612 --> 01:13:37,581
They put all
the papers around like,
2063
01:13:37,581 --> 01:13:39,282
"SMEs, come for loan"
you go there,
2064
01:13:39,282 --> 01:13:40,484
they don't give it to you.
2065
01:13:42,051 --> 01:13:43,252
The process
2066
01:13:43,252 --> 01:13:45,088
is so long.
2067
01:13:45,088 --> 01:13:47,857
Plus you're definitely
not going to get it
2068
01:13:47,857 --> 01:13:50,126
for someone, like, who doesn't
have a landed property,
2069
01:13:50,126 --> 01:13:51,227
who doesn't have
2070
01:13:51,227 --> 01:13:53,296
a land or house.
2071
01:13:53,296 --> 01:13:55,131
So, growing is virtually
2072
01:13:56,365 --> 01:13:58,034
difficult.
You are at a standstill.
2073
01:14:02,472 --> 01:14:04,340
MAN: If you look
at the distribution
2074
01:14:04,340 --> 01:14:05,475
in prosperous countries,
2075
01:14:05,475 --> 01:14:06,743
you see that most companies
2076
01:14:06,743 --> 01:14:08,545
are small
and medium size.
2077
01:14:08,545 --> 01:14:10,413
If you look at that same
distribution
2078
01:14:10,413 --> 01:14:11,447
in emerging markets,
2079
01:14:11,447 --> 01:14:12,716
in poor countries,
2080
01:14:12,716 --> 01:14:14,217
you see
that there's a lot
2081
01:14:14,217 --> 01:14:15,519
of very small companies
2082
01:14:15,519 --> 01:14:17,220
and a few
very large companies
2083
01:14:17,220 --> 01:14:18,522
and nobody
in the middle.
2084
01:14:18,522 --> 01:14:20,289
This is called
the missing middle.
2085
01:14:20,289 --> 01:14:23,259
And that is so important
because that middle
2086
01:14:23,259 --> 01:14:25,829
is what creates prosperity.
2087
01:14:25,829 --> 01:14:27,430
MARCELA: It's not that people
don't have the capacity
2088
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:28,598
to be much
2089
01:14:28,598 --> 01:14:29,799
more efficient,
it's that
2090
01:14:29,799 --> 01:14:32,168
the access is not
democratized.
2091
01:14:33,737 --> 01:14:35,539
NARRATOR: One of the key
factors that creates
2092
01:14:35,539 --> 01:14:38,241
inclusion and fairness
for the poor
2093
01:14:38,241 --> 01:14:39,843
is justice in the courts,
2094
01:14:39,843 --> 01:14:41,110
or what is often referred
2095
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:43,212
to by development
economists
2096
01:14:43,212 --> 01:14:44,514
as the rule of law.
2097
01:14:45,715 --> 01:14:46,783
MUHAMMAD:
Rule of law is
2098
01:14:46,783 --> 01:14:48,852
that I know what I am,
2099
01:14:48,852 --> 01:14:51,120
what is the rights
and responsibilities
2100
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,221
around me,
2101
01:14:52,221 --> 01:14:53,389
and it's protected.
2102
01:14:53,389 --> 01:14:54,624
That's the rule of law.
2103
01:14:54,624 --> 01:14:56,259
Otherwise,
it's a jungle.
2104
01:14:56,259 --> 01:14:57,460
The most powerful one
2105
01:14:57,460 --> 01:14:59,128
will take everything.
2106
01:14:59,128 --> 01:15:00,630
And that's not a good
2107
01:15:00,630 --> 01:15:02,799
idea for human
society.
2108
01:15:05,635 --> 01:15:06,870
HERNANDO:
Try and imagine
2109
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:08,805
a football match
without rules.
2110
01:15:08,805 --> 01:15:09,873
Or you don't get
a game going.
2111
01:15:09,873 --> 01:15:11,140
The rules are crucial
2112
01:15:11,140 --> 01:15:12,408
to get that game going.
2113
01:15:12,408 --> 01:15:14,043
But everybody knows
how to drive a ball;
2114
01:15:14,043 --> 01:15:16,012
everybody knows
how to buy and sell,
2115
01:15:16,012 --> 01:15:17,513
so there's plenty
of entrepreneurship
2116
01:15:17,513 --> 01:15:18,582
in the--in the world.
2117
01:15:18,582 --> 01:15:19,649
The problem
2118
01:15:19,649 --> 01:15:20,850
are the rules.
2119
01:15:22,652 --> 01:15:24,621
In two-thirds of the world,
2120
01:15:24,621 --> 01:15:25,955
there isn't yet
the rule of law.
2121
01:15:25,955 --> 01:15:27,657
( speaking in foreign language )
2122
01:15:27,657 --> 01:15:29,058
What makes people
2123
01:15:29,058 --> 01:15:31,194
interested
in the rule of law,
2124
01:15:31,194 --> 01:15:34,063
the first thing
that they understand,
2125
01:15:34,063 --> 01:15:35,899
is that everybody
on this earth
2126
01:15:35,899 --> 01:15:37,233
lives on a plot
of land.
2127
01:15:37,233 --> 01:15:39,669
And so, if you come
around and say,
2128
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:41,705
"Look,
we have found rules
2129
01:15:41,705 --> 01:15:43,773
"that determine how far
you can go
2130
01:15:43,773 --> 01:15:45,909
and how far
somebody else can go,"
2131
01:15:45,909 --> 01:15:48,111
are you gonna share
or not share water?
2132
01:15:48,111 --> 01:15:49,545
Are you gonna have
passing rights
2133
01:15:49,545 --> 01:15:50,814
or not having
passing rights?
2134
01:15:50,814 --> 01:15:52,481
People start
understanding
2135
01:15:52,481 --> 01:15:54,684
the value
of standard rules.
2136
01:15:57,987 --> 01:15:59,956
Property rights
are a terrible problem.
2137
01:15:59,956 --> 01:16:01,290
Terrible,
terrible problem.
2138
01:16:01,290 --> 01:16:04,027
Like, 60%, 70%
of our people are farmers,
2139
01:16:04,027 --> 01:16:06,329
and just imagine if you have
10 million farmers
2140
01:16:06,329 --> 01:16:09,198
who have no title to the land
they are farming on.
2141
01:16:09,198 --> 01:16:10,600
We haven't got clean
title in Ghana.
2142
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,135
It's very, very difficult.
2143
01:16:12,135 --> 01:16:14,137
You buy land, you have
to buy it four or five times.
2144
01:16:14,137 --> 01:16:15,805
If you're looking
for farm land
2145
01:16:15,805 --> 01:16:17,974
as a small
peasant farmer,
2146
01:16:17,974 --> 01:16:19,943
looking for five
acres to buy,
2147
01:16:19,943 --> 01:16:21,611
you can get five acres
from the chief
2148
01:16:21,611 --> 01:16:23,112
by giving him
a drink,
2149
01:16:23,112 --> 01:16:24,848
but you don't own
the five acres,
2150
01:16:24,848 --> 01:16:26,650
so you can't go to the bank
with the five acres
2151
01:16:26,650 --> 01:16:29,719
as your collateral
2152
01:16:29,719 --> 01:16:31,721
to then borrow money
to buy a tractor.
2153
01:16:33,056 --> 01:16:35,491
Last time I had a meeting
at The World Bank,
2154
01:16:35,491 --> 01:16:37,326
I asked
2155
01:16:37,326 --> 01:16:38,828
The World Bank
officials,
2156
01:16:38,828 --> 01:16:40,529
"Hey, you've been working
with our government
2157
01:16:40,529 --> 01:16:41,631
all these years."
2158
01:16:41,631 --> 01:16:42,732
You know this is
2159
01:16:42,732 --> 01:16:44,000
at the bottom
of our problems.
2160
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,168
"What are you doing
about it?
2161
01:16:45,168 --> 01:16:46,803
"Are you saying
for 20 years,
2162
01:16:46,803 --> 01:16:48,738
"you just forgot that
2163
01:16:48,738 --> 01:16:50,640
"we have a situation
where anybody's business,
2164
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:51,841
"anybody's house
2165
01:16:51,841 --> 01:16:53,209
"can suddenly
come into question,
2166
01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:55,311
"and they might just lose
their investment
2167
01:16:55,311 --> 01:16:58,214
and that it wouldn't
encourage people to invest?"
2168
01:16:58,214 --> 01:17:00,583
I don't see that a lot
of work has been done there,
2169
01:17:00,583 --> 01:17:02,085
or a lot of progress
has been made there.
2170
01:17:02,085 --> 01:17:04,220
You can't start
an economy
2171
01:17:04,220 --> 01:17:05,889
without ownership
2172
01:17:05,889 --> 01:17:07,523
not being
in question.
2173
01:17:07,523 --> 01:17:08,925
This is my fundamental.
2174
01:17:11,795 --> 01:17:13,229
NARRATOR:
The lack of property rights
2175
01:17:13,229 --> 01:17:15,331
is just one area
where the rule of law
2176
01:17:15,331 --> 01:17:16,465
is missing.
2177
01:17:16,465 --> 01:17:17,801
The poor lack access
2178
01:17:17,801 --> 01:17:19,568
to justice in the courts
2179
01:17:19,568 --> 01:17:20,636
and are often locked out
2180
01:17:20,636 --> 01:17:21,938
of the formal economy
2181
01:17:21,938 --> 01:17:24,007
by complex
legal structures
2182
01:17:24,007 --> 01:17:26,175
that only the rich
and well-connected
2183
01:17:26,175 --> 01:17:27,576
can navigate.
2184
01:17:27,576 --> 01:17:29,212
MAGATTE:
When I use the term
2185
01:17:29,212 --> 01:17:30,579
"rule of law,"
2186
01:17:30,579 --> 01:17:32,481
I do not want
for people to think
2187
01:17:32,481 --> 01:17:35,084
that I'm saying
we don't have enough laws.
2188
01:17:35,084 --> 01:17:36,886
Most of countries in Africa
2189
01:17:36,886 --> 01:17:39,088
don't provide
good rule of law.
2190
01:17:39,088 --> 01:17:41,457
On one end,
they are completely excluded
2191
01:17:41,457 --> 01:17:43,192
from the systems of
2192
01:17:43,192 --> 01:17:44,560
productivity,
2193
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:45,962
and on the other hand,
2194
01:17:45,962 --> 01:17:48,531
they are basically choking
2195
01:17:48,531 --> 01:17:50,533
under the heaviness
2196
01:17:50,533 --> 01:17:52,035
of these corrupt leaders
2197
01:17:52,035 --> 01:17:54,938
of theirs who have
put together
2198
01:17:54,938 --> 01:17:56,773
the worst laws possible
2199
01:17:56,773 --> 01:17:57,941
to allow them
2200
01:17:57,941 --> 01:17:59,142
to try and make
it through.
2201
01:18:00,710 --> 01:18:02,045
HERNANDO:
We ask ourselves
2202
01:18:02,045 --> 01:18:04,347
in Peru why poor people
2203
01:18:04,347 --> 01:18:05,648
are not using the law
2204
01:18:05,648 --> 01:18:07,683
to create their businesses?
2205
01:18:07,683 --> 01:18:09,018
And the running argument,
of course,
2206
01:18:09,018 --> 01:18:11,220
is that most poor people
in Peru
2207
01:18:11,220 --> 01:18:12,088
are dumb,
2208
01:18:12,088 --> 01:18:13,356
they're not educated,
2209
01:18:13,356 --> 01:18:15,091
they don't know
how to use the law.
2210
01:18:15,091 --> 01:18:17,393
We have got to train them,
2211
01:18:17,393 --> 01:18:19,462
they're primitive.
2212
01:18:19,462 --> 01:18:20,730
I had this debate
2213
01:18:20,730 --> 01:18:22,265
with one
of our lawyer friends
2214
01:18:22,265 --> 01:18:24,868
who insisted
on the previous theory
2215
01:18:24,868 --> 01:18:27,036
and said that
the law was fine.
2216
01:18:27,036 --> 01:18:28,237
The proof is that
2217
01:18:28,237 --> 01:18:30,774
they had established
a company for me
2218
01:18:30,774 --> 01:18:33,009
in something less
than 30 days.
2219
01:18:33,009 --> 01:18:34,210
So, I said,
"Yes, but what happens
2220
01:18:34,210 --> 01:18:35,444
"if you are poor?
What happens
2221
01:18:35,444 --> 01:18:37,080
"if you don't have
the connections
2222
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,715
"like I do that allow you
to talk to a lawyer,
2223
01:18:39,715 --> 01:18:41,584
"that allow me
to pay you in advance,
2224
01:18:41,584 --> 01:18:43,719
"that allow me
to use a driver
2225
01:18:43,719 --> 01:18:45,354
"to take my paper from one
2226
01:18:45,354 --> 01:18:46,522
place to another?"
2227
01:18:46,522 --> 01:18:49,458
And so, we established
a small little shop
2228
01:18:49,458 --> 01:18:50,659
in the outskirts of Lima,
2229
01:18:50,659 --> 01:18:52,796
five kilometers
from the center of Lima,
2230
01:18:52,796 --> 01:18:54,363
where we put
two sewing machines
2231
01:18:54,363 --> 01:18:55,631
that were supposed to be
2232
01:18:55,631 --> 01:18:57,400
a shirt factory.
2233
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:58,902
And we put four students
2234
01:18:58,902 --> 01:19:01,404
and one supervisor
2235
01:19:01,404 --> 01:19:02,538
to go back and forth
2236
01:19:02,538 --> 01:19:03,840
to all the legal offices
2237
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,975
that they discovered
as they went along
2238
01:19:05,975 --> 01:19:07,543
that had to put their stamp
2239
01:19:07,543 --> 01:19:08,711
of approval
2240
01:19:08,711 --> 01:19:10,980
on each document
that was necessary
2241
01:19:10,980 --> 01:19:12,315
to make this
2242
01:19:12,315 --> 01:19:13,950
business legal.
2243
01:19:13,950 --> 01:19:15,651
And they did.
And it took them
2244
01:19:15,651 --> 01:19:16,986
289 days
2245
01:19:16,986 --> 01:19:18,221
working 8 hours a day.
2246
01:19:18,221 --> 01:19:20,189
And that's when we discovered
2247
01:19:20,189 --> 01:19:23,259
that the law
could be friendly
2248
01:19:23,259 --> 01:19:24,861
for some of us
and could be
2249
01:19:24,861 --> 01:19:26,930
the enemy
for the majority.
2250
01:19:28,998 --> 01:19:30,366
MARCELA: And we actually
2251
01:19:30,366 --> 01:19:31,734
have research
that shows that.
2252
01:19:31,734 --> 01:19:32,836
That within each country
2253
01:19:32,836 --> 01:19:34,804
there's a big range
2254
01:19:34,804 --> 01:19:35,872
in which things
2255
01:19:35,872 --> 01:19:37,140
can happen extremely fast
2256
01:19:37,140 --> 01:19:38,908
and efficient
in developing countries,
2257
01:19:38,908 --> 01:19:40,409
if you know the minister,
2258
01:19:40,409 --> 01:19:41,644
if you have connections,
2259
01:19:41,644 --> 01:19:43,212
and if you don't,
you're on the other end.
2260
01:19:44,747 --> 01:19:46,883
MUHAMMAD:
So, it's a very
partisan system.
2261
01:19:46,883 --> 01:19:48,417
A system which is
2262
01:19:48,417 --> 01:19:51,320
limited to very
privileged people.
2263
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:52,922
HERMAN:
You are stuck in a home,
2264
01:19:52,922 --> 01:19:54,958
in a village,
with all your skills
2265
01:19:54,958 --> 01:19:56,125
and all your talents,
2266
01:19:56,125 --> 01:19:57,726
and that's just unfortunately
2267
01:19:57,726 --> 01:19:58,828
the way it is.
2268
01:19:58,828 --> 01:20:00,296
The people here
are not stupid,
2269
01:20:00,296 --> 01:20:01,998
they're just disconnected
from global trade.
2270
01:20:01,998 --> 01:20:03,199
That's all.
2271
01:20:08,905 --> 01:20:12,842
( music playing )
2272
01:20:19,748 --> 01:20:21,250
One very
interesting facet
2273
01:20:21,250 --> 01:20:22,852
which is difficult
to talk about
2274
01:20:22,852 --> 01:20:24,320
is the celebrity
culture.
2275
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:25,855
You've seen it,
you know,
2276
01:20:25,855 --> 01:20:27,323
you see Brad Pitt
go to Haiti
2277
01:20:27,323 --> 01:20:29,225
or Bono
go to Africa,
2278
01:20:29,225 --> 01:20:30,493
Angelina Jolie
and so on.
2279
01:20:30,493 --> 01:20:31,995
They go with the best
of their hearts,
2280
01:20:31,995 --> 01:20:33,229
with a good heart,
into this
2281
01:20:33,229 --> 01:20:34,697
and they see poverty
and they say,
2282
01:20:34,697 --> 01:20:35,899
"I want
to do something."
2283
01:20:35,899 --> 01:20:38,101
So, they go
to the establishment
2284
01:20:38,101 --> 01:20:40,269
and ask
to help.
2285
01:20:40,269 --> 01:20:41,270
There,
2286
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:42,838
and this is
the critical factor,
2287
01:20:42,838 --> 01:20:44,807
they learn
the old framework.
2288
01:20:44,807 --> 01:20:46,042
These celebrities
2289
01:20:46,042 --> 01:20:47,810
incorporate
this message,
2290
01:20:47,810 --> 01:20:49,545
these cultural messages,
2291
01:20:49,545 --> 01:20:51,981
these harmful
cultural messages,
2292
01:20:51,981 --> 01:20:54,017
and turn them
into their songs
2293
01:20:54,017 --> 01:20:55,218
and activities
2294
01:20:55,218 --> 01:20:57,086
and into what
they're saying,
2295
01:20:57,086 --> 01:20:58,721
and they're,
in a way,
2296
01:20:58,721 --> 01:21:01,124
selling this
to the next generation.
2297
01:21:01,124 --> 01:21:03,692
*There comes a time*
2298
01:21:03,692 --> 01:21:04,760
*When we heed*
2299
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,896
*A certain call*
2300
01:21:06,896 --> 01:21:08,431
*When the world*
2301
01:21:08,431 --> 01:21:09,598
*Must come*
2302
01:21:09,598 --> 01:21:11,534
*Together as one*
2303
01:21:12,868 --> 01:21:14,503
*There are *
2304
01:21:14,503 --> 01:21:16,505
*People dying*
2305
01:21:16,505 --> 01:21:18,241
MAGATTE: So, celebrities
have big hearts.
2306
01:21:18,241 --> 01:21:20,309
I think I will give them
that any day.
2307
01:21:20,309 --> 01:21:21,844
But that's not what's
the question here,
2308
01:21:21,844 --> 01:21:23,079
absolutely not.
2309
01:21:23,079 --> 01:21:25,014
But as we all know,
2310
01:21:25,014 --> 01:21:26,415
caring does--
is not enough,
2311
01:21:26,415 --> 01:21:28,117
and in this
particular situation
2312
01:21:28,117 --> 01:21:31,120
oftentimes we find it
more harmful than not.
2313
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:32,388
Think about it
for a second,
2314
01:21:32,388 --> 01:21:33,756
all the material
that they use,
2315
01:21:33,756 --> 01:21:35,291
all the visuals
that they use,
2316
01:21:35,291 --> 01:21:37,193
certainly in the back
of people's minds,
2317
01:21:37,193 --> 01:21:39,262
it's creating
this impression
2318
01:21:39,262 --> 01:21:40,529
that the Africans
2319
01:21:40,529 --> 01:21:42,065
are helpless people
2320
01:21:42,065 --> 01:21:43,732
that cannot get
anything done
2321
01:21:43,732 --> 01:21:46,035
for themselves
by themselves.
2322
01:21:46,035 --> 01:21:48,037
You are contributing
to basically
2323
01:21:48,037 --> 01:21:50,373
wiring their brains
in that way.
2324
01:21:50,373 --> 01:21:51,740
The only relationship
we have to them
2325
01:21:51,740 --> 01:21:53,042
is to helping them.
2326
01:21:53,042 --> 01:21:54,610
People who are
better off,
2327
01:21:54,610 --> 01:21:55,979
they are wiring
their brain to say,
2328
01:21:55,979 --> 01:21:57,446
"You are not my partner."
2329
01:21:57,446 --> 01:21:58,747
To the poor person,
2330
01:21:58,747 --> 01:21:59,983
and they're wiring
the brain
2331
01:21:59,983 --> 01:22:01,184
of a poor person
2332
01:22:01,184 --> 01:22:03,719
to think,
"I am not good enough.
2333
01:22:03,719 --> 01:22:05,088
"I can't do this.
2334
01:22:05,088 --> 01:22:06,189
"And these people
are better than me.
2335
01:22:06,189 --> 01:22:07,390
They're superior
to me."
2336
01:22:07,390 --> 01:22:08,924
And this is something
difficult
2337
01:22:08,924 --> 01:22:10,459
to talk about
because who wants to point
2338
01:22:10,459 --> 01:22:12,028
their finger
at a big celebrity
2339
01:22:12,028 --> 01:22:13,296
and saying,
you know, "Some--
2340
01:22:13,296 --> 01:22:15,031
you're doing
something wrong."
2341
01:22:15,031 --> 01:22:16,532
If I had to pick
2342
01:22:16,532 --> 01:22:18,501
one celebrity
just to talk about,
2343
01:22:18,501 --> 01:22:20,369
as a--
as a point in case,
2344
01:22:20,369 --> 01:22:22,338
I think the one
to choose is Bono,
2345
01:22:22,338 --> 01:22:23,839
because Bono
has been at this
2346
01:22:23,839 --> 01:22:24,907
for a very long time.
2347
01:22:24,907 --> 01:22:26,175
And he has done a lot
2348
01:22:26,175 --> 01:22:28,177
in the field.
People listen to him.
2349
01:22:28,177 --> 01:22:29,512
People do
what he says.
2350
01:22:29,512 --> 01:22:31,247
And he's shown
that over and again
2351
01:22:31,247 --> 01:22:33,516
with concerts and aid
and the ONE Campaign
2352
01:22:33,516 --> 01:22:35,251
and things like that
that he's done.
2353
01:22:35,251 --> 01:22:37,586
BONO: So, we're looking
for a million Americans
2354
01:22:38,921 --> 01:22:40,156
to email us,
2355
01:22:40,156 --> 01:22:41,890
to join the ONE Campaign.
2356
01:22:41,890 --> 01:22:43,226
We are gonna end
extreme poverty.
2357
01:22:43,226 --> 01:22:46,162
We're gonna make
poverty history.
2358
01:22:46,162 --> 01:22:48,497
That's what's fallen
to us to do.
2359
01:22:50,333 --> 01:22:51,667
ANDREAS:
And Bono is actually,
2360
01:22:51,667 --> 01:22:53,836
I would say,
even one of the more
2361
01:22:53,836 --> 01:22:56,672
sophisticated celebrities.
2362
01:22:56,672 --> 01:22:59,475
His thoughts have more
sophistication in it
2363
01:22:59,475 --> 01:23:01,177
than some
of the other celebrities
2364
01:23:01,177 --> 01:23:02,745
who run around
and talk about poverty.
2365
01:23:04,047 --> 01:23:06,115
The thing with Bono,
though, is
2366
01:23:06,115 --> 01:23:07,316
you know how he
2367
01:23:07,316 --> 01:23:08,917
talks about rocking
the world
2368
01:23:08,917 --> 01:23:11,087
and punk
and this and that.
2369
01:23:11,087 --> 01:23:12,688
And while Bono
2370
01:23:12,688 --> 01:23:13,756
rocks a lot
2371
01:23:13,756 --> 01:23:15,691
on the stage,
2372
01:23:15,691 --> 01:23:17,360
as far
as the poverty
2373
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:18,594
industry
is concerned
2374
01:23:18,594 --> 01:23:20,829
and the quest
to solve poverty,
2375
01:23:20,829 --> 01:23:23,066
Bono is about
as establishment
2376
01:23:23,066 --> 01:23:24,233
as you can get.
He is, like,
2377
01:23:24,233 --> 01:23:26,302
center establishment.
2378
01:23:26,302 --> 01:23:27,636
I think
that tells you a lot
2379
01:23:27,636 --> 01:23:28,637
about our system.
2380
01:23:30,473 --> 01:23:32,508
MAGATTE: My history with Bono
is very interesting.
2381
01:23:32,508 --> 01:23:33,876
In 2007
2382
01:23:33,876 --> 01:23:36,145
in Arusha
during TED Global,
2383
01:23:36,145 --> 01:23:37,213
I was there.
2384
01:23:37,213 --> 01:23:38,414
Bono was sitting
2385
01:23:38,414 --> 01:23:40,216
probably two seats
away from me.
2386
01:23:40,216 --> 01:23:41,984
He is very,
2387
01:23:41,984 --> 01:23:44,053
very much pro-aid,
2388
01:23:44,053 --> 01:23:45,788
to a point that
he will stand up
2389
01:23:45,788 --> 01:23:47,256
at a TED talk
2390
01:23:47,256 --> 01:23:49,358
to heckle one
of the speakers
2391
01:23:49,358 --> 01:23:51,460
because the speaker
was anti-aid,
2392
01:23:51,460 --> 01:23:52,628
Andrew Mwenda.
2393
01:23:52,628 --> 01:23:53,496
Does any one of you
2394
01:23:53,496 --> 01:23:54,963
know a country that developed
2395
01:23:54,963 --> 01:23:56,232
because
2396
01:23:56,232 --> 01:23:58,101
of the generosity
2397
01:23:58,101 --> 01:23:59,302
and the kindness of another?
2398
01:24:00,569 --> 01:24:02,305
Well, since I'm not
seeing the hand,
2399
01:24:02,305 --> 01:24:04,640
it appears that
what I'm stating is true.
2400
01:24:06,342 --> 01:24:07,943
I can see Bono says
he knows the country.
2401
01:24:07,943 --> 01:24:09,345
Which country is that?
2402
01:24:09,345 --> 01:24:11,080
BONO: Yeah,
it's an Irish hand.
2403
01:24:13,916 --> 01:24:14,983
MAGATTE: And then,
2404
01:24:14,983 --> 01:24:17,286
seven short
years later,
2405
01:24:17,286 --> 01:24:19,322
Bono going
on record
2406
01:24:19,322 --> 01:24:20,523
saying...
Commerce,
2407
01:24:20,523 --> 01:24:21,890
entrepreneurial capitalism
2408
01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:24,293
takes more people out
of poverty than aid,
2409
01:24:24,293 --> 01:24:25,628
of course. We know that.
2410
01:24:27,263 --> 01:24:28,697
Shocking.
Shocking.
2411
01:24:28,697 --> 01:24:30,266
I was very happy,
as you can imagine.
2412
01:24:30,266 --> 01:24:32,401
I was like,
"Wow. He heard us.
2413
01:24:32,401 --> 01:24:33,936
"He heard us
back at TED
2414
01:24:33,936 --> 01:24:35,471
in 2007
in Arusha."
2415
01:24:35,471 --> 01:24:37,273
BONO: Well, there's one rock
above ground
2416
01:24:37,273 --> 01:24:38,674
that I can see now.
2417
01:24:38,674 --> 01:24:39,742
You know what it is?
2418
01:24:39,742 --> 01:24:41,144
It's a headstone,
2419
01:24:41,144 --> 01:24:42,545
big slab of granite.
2420
01:24:42,545 --> 01:24:44,380
And what we around here
used to call,
2421
01:24:44,380 --> 01:24:46,715
"The donor-recipient
relationship".
2422
01:24:48,117 --> 01:24:51,320
Paternalism, the old way
we did development,
2423
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,022
is no match
for partnership.
2424
01:24:54,022 --> 01:24:55,424
But then
in the same--
2425
01:24:55,424 --> 01:24:57,193
in the same tape
he's saying,
2426
01:24:58,060 --> 01:24:59,162
aid does work,
2427
01:24:59,162 --> 01:25:00,863
and you must be
brain-dead
2428
01:25:00,863 --> 01:25:02,064
or heart-dead
2429
01:25:02,064 --> 01:25:03,599
to not get that.
2430
01:25:03,599 --> 01:25:04,967
We need aid.
2431
01:25:04,967 --> 01:25:06,435
Of course,
we still need aid.
2432
01:25:06,435 --> 01:25:09,238
Of course, we do.
Does anyone disagree?
2433
01:25:09,238 --> 01:25:11,006
Anyone apart
from brain-dead,
2434
01:25:11,006 --> 01:25:12,208
heart-dead ideologues
2435
01:25:12,208 --> 01:25:14,277
or professional
controversialists?
2436
01:25:15,244 --> 01:25:17,780
So, I am very
confused by Bono.
2437
01:25:17,780 --> 01:25:19,648
But the good news is,
2438
01:25:19,648 --> 01:25:21,116
I do still believe
2439
01:25:21,116 --> 01:25:22,185
that Bono
is probably gonna be
2440
01:25:22,185 --> 01:25:24,187
one of our best allies.
2441
01:25:24,187 --> 01:25:26,455
I feel like he's still
one foot in, one foot out,
2442
01:25:26,455 --> 01:25:29,258
but at least
there is a foot out now,
2443
01:25:29,258 --> 01:25:31,194
and I think he will leave
the poverty industry.
2444
01:25:31,194 --> 01:25:32,261
I think he will.
2445
01:25:32,261 --> 01:25:33,362
And you know what it is?
2446
01:25:33,362 --> 01:25:35,264
I am deeply,
deeply convinced
2447
01:25:35,264 --> 01:25:37,500
that Bono really,
truly cares.
2448
01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:40,135
He cares so much,
actually,
2449
01:25:40,135 --> 01:25:41,504
that he was
willing to have
2450
01:25:41,504 --> 01:25:43,972
intellectual
integrity
2451
01:25:43,972 --> 01:25:45,073
in coming around,
2452
01:25:45,073 --> 01:25:46,842
and in his world,
2453
01:25:46,842 --> 01:25:49,144
it's not easy to do
what he's done.
2454
01:25:50,813 --> 01:25:52,315
HERMAN: For the record,
I love Bono.
2455
01:25:52,315 --> 01:25:53,716
I happen to know Bono.
2456
01:25:53,716 --> 01:25:56,752
So, I love his music
and he's cool.
2457
01:25:56,752 --> 01:25:58,487
Now, somebody like Bono
2458
01:25:58,487 --> 01:26:00,022
can help the process,
2459
01:26:00,022 --> 01:26:02,090
not in an airy-fairy
2460
01:26:02,090 --> 01:26:03,158
"We love Africa" way.
2461
01:26:03,158 --> 01:26:04,393
That doesn't help us.
2462
01:26:04,393 --> 01:26:07,430
But working
with African countries
2463
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:09,932
to execute
their own agenda,
2464
01:26:09,932 --> 01:26:11,967
not an imported agenda.
2465
01:26:11,967 --> 01:26:14,002
Africans know about Africa.
2466
01:26:14,002 --> 01:26:15,538
Only Africans
can develop Africa.
2467
01:26:15,538 --> 01:26:17,973
We have to sink
or swim
2468
01:26:17,973 --> 01:26:19,608
ourselves.
2469
01:26:19,608 --> 01:26:21,744
Look, I'm glad
people wanna help,
2470
01:26:22,811 --> 01:26:24,747
but we don't need
2471
01:26:24,747 --> 01:26:26,515
one more celebrity
2472
01:26:26,515 --> 01:26:28,617
doing one more
pop song
2473
01:26:28,617 --> 01:26:30,819
or one more
campaign.
2474
01:26:30,819 --> 01:26:32,221
But what we need
2475
01:26:32,221 --> 01:26:34,122
is to no longer
be excluded.
2476
01:26:34,122 --> 01:26:38,093
( music playing )
2477
01:26:38,093 --> 01:26:40,128
If you really
wanna help poverty,
2478
01:26:40,128 --> 01:26:42,331
poverty industry
as we know it
2479
01:26:42,331 --> 01:26:43,532
has to go.
2480
01:26:48,604 --> 01:26:50,205
In the past,
we've had
2481
01:26:50,205 --> 01:26:51,807
too much paternalism.
2482
01:26:51,807 --> 01:26:54,477
That model
didn't work, okay?
2483
01:26:54,477 --> 01:26:55,978
A better model
would be
2484
01:26:55,978 --> 01:26:57,313
to let's say
2485
01:26:57,313 --> 01:26:59,248
form partnerships
with the poor
2486
01:26:59,248 --> 01:27:00,683
and help the poor
2487
01:27:00,683 --> 01:27:02,318
achieve their own dreams.
2488
01:27:02,318 --> 01:27:03,386
* Factory by night *
2489
01:27:03,386 --> 01:27:04,987
* I work in a factory *
2490
01:27:04,987 --> 01:27:06,889
* By night *
2491
01:27:06,889 --> 01:27:09,157
* Just to feed my wife *
2492
01:27:09,157 --> 01:27:11,960
* And save a life *
2493
01:27:15,431 --> 01:27:17,199
HERMAN:
See, in today's world,
2494
01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:18,401
what Africa needs
2495
01:27:18,401 --> 01:27:19,468
is not aid.
2496
01:27:19,468 --> 01:27:21,337
We need a door in.
2497
01:27:21,337 --> 01:27:22,605
EVA: What we need
2498
01:27:22,605 --> 01:27:25,408
is to create capability
2499
01:27:25,408 --> 01:27:27,175
in the citizens
2500
01:27:27,175 --> 01:27:28,511
of this continent
2501
01:27:28,511 --> 01:27:31,414
to becomecreators of wealth.
2502
01:27:33,248 --> 01:27:34,983
The sooner we begin
2503
01:27:34,983 --> 01:27:37,786
to tell a beautiful story
2504
01:27:37,786 --> 01:27:40,122
about the African
entrepreneur,
2505
01:27:40,122 --> 01:27:42,925
that he or she is resident
2506
01:27:42,925 --> 01:27:44,627
in this continent
2507
01:27:44,627 --> 01:27:46,261
and is doing
amazing work,
2508
01:27:46,261 --> 01:27:49,298
then we will begin
to shift mindsets.
2509
01:27:50,666 --> 01:27:51,767
MICHAELS: Having a heart
2510
01:27:51,767 --> 01:27:53,502
for the poor isn't hard.
2511
01:27:53,502 --> 01:27:54,837
We all have that.
2512
01:27:54,837 --> 01:27:56,505
But having a mind
for the poor,
2513
01:27:56,505 --> 01:27:58,273
that's the challenge.
2514
01:27:58,273 --> 01:27:59,775
Can we treat them
as equals,
2515
01:27:59,775 --> 01:28:00,843
as partners,
2516
01:28:00,843 --> 01:28:02,378
as colleagues?
2517
01:28:03,245 --> 01:28:05,314
Can we allow them
2518
01:28:05,314 --> 01:28:07,316
to put the locus
of responsibility
2519
01:28:07,316 --> 01:28:09,718
for their own future
on themselves,
2520
01:28:09,718 --> 01:28:11,454
and then be
willing to be guided
2521
01:28:11,454 --> 01:28:13,389
by their vision?
2522
01:28:13,389 --> 01:28:15,324
MAGATTE: Instead
of focusing on feeding
2523
01:28:15,324 --> 01:28:17,460
more of that system,
2524
01:28:17,460 --> 01:28:19,261
we need
to focus more on
2525
01:28:19,261 --> 01:28:20,663
how are we gonna
make sure
2526
01:28:20,663 --> 01:28:22,531
that these people
who have been excluded
2527
01:28:22,531 --> 01:28:24,500
can now have
a foot in?
2528
01:28:24,500 --> 01:28:27,503
And once they have
a foot in,
2529
01:28:27,503 --> 01:28:29,171
watch the magic happen.
2530
01:28:29,171 --> 01:28:31,139
It's gonna happen.
It's gonna happen faster
2531
01:28:31,139 --> 01:28:32,641
than you've ever thought,
2532
01:28:32,641 --> 01:28:35,744
and it's gonna
be beautiful.
2533
01:28:35,744 --> 01:28:37,380
* And I never wanted *
2534
01:28:37,380 --> 01:28:40,248
* To be found *
2535
01:28:40,248 --> 01:28:41,584
* I never wanted more *
2536
01:28:41,584 --> 01:28:44,853
* Than the one right now *
2537
01:28:44,853 --> 01:28:46,254
* I just wanted to find *
2538
01:28:46,254 --> 01:28:48,991
* A piece of ground *
2539
01:28:48,991 --> 01:28:50,125
* So, let me down *
2540
01:28:50,125 --> 01:28:53,829
* In the cold hard ground *
2541
01:28:55,197 --> 01:29:00,002
* In the ground *
2542
01:29:00,002 --> 01:29:04,907
* In the ground *
2543
01:29:14,650 --> 01:29:18,554
( music playing )
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