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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,202 --> 00:00:05,273 ( music playing ) 2 00:00:38,939 --> 00:00:41,375 ( no audible dialogue ) 3 00:00:43,377 --> 00:00:45,946 MICHAEL: Machiavelli said, 4 00:00:45,946 --> 00:00:48,749 "The reason there will be no change 5 00:00:48,749 --> 00:00:50,351 "is because the people 6 00:00:50,351 --> 00:00:52,386 "who stand to lose from change 7 00:00:53,721 --> 00:00:55,723 "have all the power, 8 00:00:58,126 --> 00:01:00,161 "and the people who stand to gain from change 9 00:01:02,363 --> 00:01:04,565 have none of the power." 10 00:01:08,569 --> 00:01:09,670 Machiavelli... 11 00:01:09,670 --> 00:01:11,772 was describing 12 00:01:11,772 --> 00:01:13,774 the global aid system today. 13 00:01:13,774 --> 00:01:15,843 ( indistinct chatter ) 14 00:01:15,843 --> 00:01:18,212 MICHAEL: So as we talk about development, 15 00:01:18,212 --> 00:01:19,447 we have to talk about 16 00:01:19,447 --> 00:01:21,815 who has the power and who should have it. 17 00:01:23,817 --> 00:01:26,620 ( metal grinding ) 18 00:01:29,957 --> 00:01:31,192 Hello. 19 00:01:33,727 --> 00:01:36,664 ( music playing ) 20 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:06,494 MAGATTE: There's a certain paradigm 21 00:02:06,494 --> 00:02:08,229 in which we try to help the poor, 22 00:02:09,463 --> 00:02:11,632 and it comes with underlying assumptions 23 00:02:11,632 --> 00:02:13,901 and images about poor people. 24 00:02:15,002 --> 00:02:16,570 It comes from a good heart. 25 00:02:19,006 --> 00:02:22,142 ( children singing ) 26 00:02:25,112 --> 00:02:26,314 They give us food. 27 00:02:29,183 --> 00:02:30,818 They bring us shoes. 28 00:02:33,053 --> 00:02:34,822 They dig us wells. 29 00:02:36,257 --> 00:02:38,692 They encourage others to give. 30 00:02:38,692 --> 00:02:39,593 Give now 31 00:02:39,593 --> 00:02:41,329 and lives will be saved. 32 00:02:41,329 --> 00:02:42,930 Thank you. 33 00:02:42,930 --> 00:02:44,498 BONO: We're gonna end extreme poverty, 34 00:02:44,498 --> 00:02:46,700 we're gonna make poverty history, 35 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:50,003 that's what's fallen to us to do. 36 00:02:50,003 --> 00:02:52,172 ( indistinct chatter ) 37 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:53,341 The problem is, 38 00:02:53,341 --> 00:02:54,875 it does not work. 39 00:02:54,875 --> 00:02:57,678 ( music playing ) 40 00:02:57,678 --> 00:02:59,713 DANIEL: The way that we help the poor 41 00:02:59,713 --> 00:03:00,714 needs to change. 42 00:03:01,649 --> 00:03:03,251 MAGATTE: Everybody knows it. 43 00:03:03,251 --> 00:03:04,552 It's failed everywhere it's been tried. 44 00:03:04,552 --> 00:03:06,119 MAGATTE: Everybody talks about it. 45 00:03:06,119 --> 00:03:07,187 BONO: Paternalism, 46 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:09,457 the old way we did development, 47 00:03:09,457 --> 00:03:11,992 is no match for partnership. 48 00:03:11,992 --> 00:03:13,327 And yet... 49 00:03:13,327 --> 00:03:15,229 the icons of charity 50 00:03:15,229 --> 00:03:17,731 remain the same. 51 00:03:17,731 --> 00:03:19,400 It's not simply foreign aid 52 00:03:20,501 --> 00:03:23,003 or religious charity 53 00:03:23,003 --> 00:03:24,204 or NGOs 54 00:03:27,174 --> 00:03:28,642 or social entrepreneurs. 55 00:03:31,178 --> 00:03:32,946 The rich patronize the poor. 56 00:03:35,249 --> 00:03:36,984 The poor resent the rich. 57 00:03:39,620 --> 00:03:41,922 Every 10 or 20 years we try something new, 58 00:03:43,123 --> 00:03:44,258 and then... 59 00:03:44,258 --> 00:03:45,326 10 or 20 years later, 60 00:03:45,326 --> 00:03:46,527 we look back. 61 00:03:47,628 --> 00:03:49,263 What we find is that we're looking 62 00:03:49,263 --> 00:03:51,899 at the same broken system. 63 00:03:53,467 --> 00:03:54,935 The name of the system 64 00:03:54,935 --> 00:03:55,936 is paternalism. 65 00:03:57,271 --> 00:04:00,374 ( music playing ) 66 00:04:04,478 --> 00:04:06,780 * It's Christmas time * 67 00:04:08,482 --> 00:04:09,917 * There's no need * 68 00:04:09,917 --> 00:04:11,685 * To be afraid 69 00:04:13,086 --> 00:04:15,889 * At Christmas time 70 00:04:15,889 --> 00:04:17,558 * We let in light 71 00:04:17,558 --> 00:04:19,360 * And we banish shade 72 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:20,461 MAGATTE: The Christmas song 73 00:04:20,461 --> 00:04:22,029 raised awareness, 74 00:04:22,029 --> 00:04:23,196 and it was in response 75 00:04:23,196 --> 00:04:24,798 to a particular crisis. 76 00:04:24,798 --> 00:04:25,999 I understand that. 77 00:04:25,999 --> 00:04:28,035 But it also perpetuates 78 00:04:28,035 --> 00:04:29,269 a false image 79 00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:31,004 of Africa as barren 80 00:04:31,004 --> 00:04:33,206 and a sentimental image 81 00:04:33,206 --> 00:04:34,274 of Africans 82 00:04:34,274 --> 00:04:36,076 as helpless and dependent. 83 00:04:36,076 --> 00:04:37,411 * Oh 84 00:04:37,411 --> 00:04:39,313 * Where nothing 85 00:04:39,313 --> 00:04:41,515 * Ever grows 86 00:04:41,515 --> 00:04:44,552 * No rain or rivers flow 87 00:04:46,186 --> 00:04:48,255 * Do they know 88 00:04:48,255 --> 00:04:49,990 * It's Christmas time * 89 00:04:49,990 --> 00:04:52,192 * At all? 90 00:04:52,192 --> 00:04:53,627 * Oh 91 00:04:54,528 --> 00:04:57,631 ( music playing ) 92 00:04:57,631 --> 00:04:59,767 FINN: * It's Christmas time * 93 00:05:01,535 --> 00:05:03,537 * There's no need to be afraid... * 94 00:05:03,537 --> 00:05:05,673 MAGATTE: And here we are, 95 00:05:05,673 --> 00:05:07,575 a generation later, 96 00:05:07,575 --> 00:05:09,309 and the same song, 97 00:05:09,309 --> 00:05:11,345 the same images are back. 98 00:05:11,345 --> 00:05:13,146 With the same lyrics, 99 00:05:13,146 --> 00:05:14,748 the same silliness 100 00:05:14,748 --> 00:05:17,184 of Africa not having any rain, 101 00:05:17,184 --> 00:05:19,052 not having any river, 102 00:05:19,052 --> 00:05:21,254 and us Africans not knowing 103 00:05:21,254 --> 00:05:22,623 that it's Christmas time. 104 00:05:22,623 --> 00:05:25,258 People are taking these songs 105 00:05:25,258 --> 00:05:26,994 so to heart, 106 00:05:26,994 --> 00:05:29,029 and the Glee generation 107 00:05:29,029 --> 00:05:30,330 are taking songs like 108 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:31,399 "Do They Know It's Christmas?" 109 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:34,635 and reimagining them. 110 00:05:34,635 --> 00:05:36,504 and rearranging them 111 00:05:36,504 --> 00:05:38,338 and, you know, 112 00:05:38,338 --> 00:05:40,207 doing their thing to them, 113 00:05:40,207 --> 00:05:41,442 and that gives new life 114 00:05:41,442 --> 00:05:42,610 to that idea. 115 00:05:42,610 --> 00:05:43,777 It makes me very happy indeed. 116 00:05:43,777 --> 00:05:46,547 * And there won't be snow * 117 00:05:46,547 --> 00:05:48,482 * In Africa 118 00:05:48,482 --> 00:05:51,351 * This Christmas time 119 00:05:51,351 --> 00:05:52,653 * This Christmas time, no 120 00:05:52,653 --> 00:05:54,755 MAGATTE: What makes Bono happy about this? 121 00:05:54,755 --> 00:05:56,990 By now, Bono should know better. 122 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:01,161 HERMAN: The international media 123 00:06:01,161 --> 00:06:02,362 keeps telling Africans 124 00:06:02,362 --> 00:06:03,831 and their locals that, 125 00:06:03,831 --> 00:06:05,265 "Oh, Africa is poor, Africa is poor, 126 00:06:05,265 --> 00:06:07,034 Africa is poor." 127 00:06:07,034 --> 00:06:08,669 Africa has always been 128 00:06:08,669 --> 00:06:09,803 a reservoir for resources 129 00:06:09,803 --> 00:06:11,439 for the rest of the world. 130 00:06:11,439 --> 00:06:13,507 The countries they are calling poor 131 00:06:13,507 --> 00:06:15,609 are oil-rich, diamond-rich, 132 00:06:15,609 --> 00:06:17,077 timber rich, and land-rich, 133 00:06:17,077 --> 00:06:19,179 and gold-rich, and they are in good locations 134 00:06:19,179 --> 00:06:20,514 for tourism. 135 00:06:20,514 --> 00:06:22,115 The people here are not stupid. 136 00:06:22,115 --> 00:06:24,452 They're just disconnected from global trade, that's all. 137 00:06:26,186 --> 00:06:28,989 * Feed the world 138 00:06:30,458 --> 00:06:31,825 * Let them know 139 00:06:31,825 --> 00:06:34,361 * It's Christmas time * 140 00:06:34,361 --> 00:06:35,596 * And feed... 141 00:06:35,596 --> 00:06:38,466 * The world 142 00:06:38,466 --> 00:06:40,367 * Let them know 143 00:06:40,367 --> 00:06:42,636 * It's Christmas time * 144 00:06:42,636 --> 00:06:45,172 * And feed the world 145 00:06:47,541 --> 00:06:49,677 ( whipping rice straws ) 146 00:06:53,113 --> 00:06:55,716 BILL: Since 1981, the United States 147 00:06:55,716 --> 00:06:57,150 has followed a policy 148 00:06:57,150 --> 00:06:58,351 until last year 149 00:06:58,351 --> 00:07:00,420 so we started rethinking it, 150 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:02,756 thatwe rich countries 151 00:07:02,756 --> 00:07:03,824 that produce a lot of food 152 00:07:03,824 --> 00:07:05,526 should sell it to poor countries 153 00:07:05,526 --> 00:07:06,960 and relieve them of the burden 154 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,162 of producing their own food, so thank goodness 155 00:07:09,162 --> 00:07:10,263 they can leap directly 156 00:07:10,263 --> 00:07:12,032 into the industrial era. 157 00:07:12,032 --> 00:07:14,434 It has not worked. 158 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:16,570 It may have been good for some of my farmers in Arkansas, 159 00:07:16,570 --> 00:07:18,371 but it has not worked. 160 00:07:18,371 --> 00:07:20,373 It was a mistake. 161 00:07:20,373 --> 00:07:22,976 It was a mistake that I was a party to. 162 00:07:22,976 --> 00:07:24,778 I am not pointing the finger at anybody. 163 00:07:24,778 --> 00:07:26,680 I did that, I have to live every day 164 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,115 with the consequences 165 00:07:28,115 --> 00:07:29,483 of the lost capacity 166 00:07:29,483 --> 00:07:31,485 to produce a rice crop in Haiti 167 00:07:31,485 --> 00:07:33,654 to feed those people. 168 00:07:33,654 --> 00:07:35,188 Because of what I did, 169 00:07:35,188 --> 00:07:36,557 nobody else. 170 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:41,729 Everybody talks about rice because it's a famous example. 171 00:07:43,163 --> 00:07:45,332 NARRATOR: Timothy Schwartz is an anthropologist 172 00:07:45,332 --> 00:07:47,134 who has spent the past 20 years 173 00:07:47,134 --> 00:07:48,602 working in Haiti. 174 00:07:48,602 --> 00:07:50,504 He has consulted with USAID, 175 00:07:50,504 --> 00:07:51,572 The World Bank, 176 00:07:51,572 --> 00:07:53,340 and multinational charities 177 00:07:53,340 --> 00:07:55,142 like CARE and World Vision. 178 00:07:55,142 --> 00:07:56,009 He chronicled 179 00:07:56,009 --> 00:07:57,477 his experiences in his book, 180 00:07:57,477 --> 00:07:59,780 Travesty in Haiti: A True Account 181 00:07:59,780 --> 00:08:01,448 of Christian Missions, 182 00:08:01,448 --> 00:08:02,950 Orphanages, Food Aid, 183 00:08:02,950 --> 00:08:05,719 Fraud, and Drug Trafficking. 184 00:08:05,719 --> 00:08:07,721 TIMOTHY: In the early '80s, when we were able 185 00:08:07,721 --> 00:08:09,757 to force Haiti or convince Haiti 186 00:08:09,757 --> 00:08:12,693 to reduce their tariff to three percent, 187 00:08:12,693 --> 00:08:14,562 which meant that U.S. rice was coming in, 188 00:08:14,562 --> 00:08:15,996 but was already subsidized, 189 00:08:15,996 --> 00:08:18,298 the levels would vary from 35% to 100%. 190 00:08:18,298 --> 00:08:20,534 So, the Haitian rice producer had to compete 191 00:08:20,534 --> 00:08:22,202 with subsidized U.S. rice 192 00:08:22,202 --> 00:08:24,705 produced by agro-industry. 193 00:08:25,873 --> 00:08:27,741 MARCELA: Agricultural subsidies 194 00:08:27,741 --> 00:08:29,710 are a huge distortion 195 00:08:29,710 --> 00:08:30,778 for world markets, 196 00:08:30,778 --> 00:08:33,714 particularly the poor. 197 00:08:33,714 --> 00:08:36,216 They happen because... 198 00:08:36,216 --> 00:08:38,185 local interests 199 00:08:38,185 --> 00:08:39,553 want to protect 200 00:08:39,553 --> 00:08:40,888 their markets, 201 00:08:40,888 --> 00:08:43,256 and they do that at the expense 202 00:08:43,256 --> 00:08:44,625 of other countries 203 00:08:44,625 --> 00:08:45,993 that don't have the same power 204 00:08:45,993 --> 00:08:49,396 to negotiate the bilateral agreements 205 00:08:49,396 --> 00:08:50,698 with large powers 206 00:08:50,698 --> 00:08:52,566 like the U.S. 207 00:08:52,566 --> 00:08:53,634 ANDREAS: What the companies 208 00:08:53,634 --> 00:08:54,968 in the rich countries do 209 00:08:54,968 --> 00:08:56,536 is they lobby their governments and say, 210 00:08:56,536 --> 00:08:57,705 "We need to have protection 211 00:08:57,705 --> 00:08:59,406 from competitors from poor countries," 212 00:08:59,406 --> 00:09:00,540 so they block them out, 213 00:09:00,540 --> 00:09:02,576 first with tariffs and import duties, 214 00:09:02,576 --> 00:09:03,777 and then they ask 215 00:09:03,777 --> 00:09:05,078 their government for subsidies 216 00:09:05,078 --> 00:09:06,914 so they can produce more. 217 00:09:06,914 --> 00:09:08,649 Then they produce a surplus, 218 00:09:08,649 --> 00:09:10,350 and guess what they do with the surplus? 219 00:09:10,350 --> 00:09:11,685 The surplus goes 220 00:09:11,685 --> 00:09:13,754 and is dumped into a poor country. 221 00:09:13,754 --> 00:09:15,355 So what we end up doing 222 00:09:15,355 --> 00:09:16,824 is destroying 223 00:09:16,824 --> 00:09:18,626 the local market and destroying 224 00:09:18,626 --> 00:09:19,960 the very companies 225 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,228 that we first blocked out 226 00:09:21,228 --> 00:09:22,229 of our market. 227 00:09:25,899 --> 00:09:27,167 JACOB: ( speaking foreign language ) 228 00:09:58,699 --> 00:10:01,869 FARMER: ( speaking foreign language ) 229 00:10:15,916 --> 00:10:18,385 FARMER: ( speaking foreign language ) 230 00:10:33,633 --> 00:10:36,770 FARMER: ( speaking foreign language ) 231 00:10:40,273 --> 00:10:42,409 FARMER: ( speaking foreign language ) 232 00:10:43,677 --> 00:10:45,412 ( indistinct chatter ) 233 00:10:47,147 --> 00:10:48,849 JOEL: When you go to Haiti 234 00:10:48,849 --> 00:10:50,350 or you see--I mean, it breaks your heart. 235 00:10:50,350 --> 00:10:51,551 You see people, 236 00:10:51,551 --> 00:10:53,586 impoverished people are hungry. 237 00:10:53,586 --> 00:10:55,889 That is primarily 238 00:10:55,889 --> 00:10:57,490 either a distribution 239 00:10:57,490 --> 00:10:58,759 or an indigenous 240 00:10:58,759 --> 00:10:59,827 lack of production. 241 00:10:59,827 --> 00:11:01,428 ( music playing ) 242 00:11:01,428 --> 00:11:03,596 NARRATOR: Joel Salatin is a third-generation 243 00:11:03,596 --> 00:11:04,664 Virginia farmer 244 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:05,733 whose Polyface Farm 245 00:11:05,733 --> 00:11:06,800 has been featured 246 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:07,868 in National Geographic, 247 00:11:07,868 --> 00:11:09,436 The New York Times, 248 00:11:09,436 --> 00:11:10,503 and Michael Pollan's 249 00:11:10,503 --> 00:11:11,939 The Omnivore's Dilemma. 250 00:11:13,540 --> 00:11:15,142 Salatin's books 251 00:11:15,142 --> 00:11:18,211 argue for the virtues of sustainable biomimicry 252 00:11:18,211 --> 00:11:21,348 and increased localized food production. 253 00:11:23,450 --> 00:11:24,752 JOEL: A few years ago, 254 00:11:24,752 --> 00:11:26,519 when I was a U.S. delegate 255 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:27,620 to Terra Madre, 256 00:11:27,620 --> 00:11:29,356 which was the big international 257 00:11:29,356 --> 00:11:30,423 Slow Food convivium 258 00:11:30,423 --> 00:11:32,025 in Turin, Italy. 259 00:11:32,025 --> 00:11:34,527 When I wasn't speaking, I went... 260 00:11:34,527 --> 00:11:35,763 and attended as many 261 00:11:35,763 --> 00:11:37,530 of the African delegation speakers 262 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:38,832 as I possibly could. 263 00:11:38,832 --> 00:11:40,734 What each of these delegates 264 00:11:40,734 --> 00:11:42,435 said was, 265 00:11:42,435 --> 00:11:43,636 "You Americans... 266 00:11:43,636 --> 00:11:44,772 "butt out. 267 00:11:44,772 --> 00:11:46,473 "We don't need your foreign aid. 268 00:11:46,473 --> 00:11:47,908 We can feed ourselves." 269 00:11:47,908 --> 00:11:48,976 And they would list 270 00:11:48,976 --> 00:11:50,710 these wonderful 271 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:52,612 perennial nut-bearing trees 272 00:11:52,612 --> 00:11:53,947 and things that had now 273 00:11:53,947 --> 00:11:55,883 been cut down 274 00:11:55,883 --> 00:11:57,084 because of cheap 275 00:11:57,084 --> 00:11:59,519 Western dumping, foreign aid, 276 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:01,454 into those cultures, 277 00:12:01,454 --> 00:12:02,956 which depressed the price 278 00:12:02,956 --> 00:12:04,224 of their locally 279 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:05,826 produced food, 280 00:12:05,826 --> 00:12:07,127 and here we are poor 281 00:12:07,127 --> 00:12:08,762 and we're not feeding ourselves, 282 00:12:08,762 --> 00:12:10,530 not because we can't, 283 00:12:10,530 --> 00:12:12,499 but because... 284 00:12:12,499 --> 00:12:14,034 this Western dumping. 285 00:12:17,270 --> 00:12:19,006 KENNETH: In the '80s, Haiti was... 286 00:12:19,006 --> 00:12:20,774 self-sufficient in rice. 287 00:12:20,774 --> 00:12:22,342 That is true. 288 00:12:22,342 --> 00:12:23,877 In the '80s, 289 00:12:23,877 --> 00:12:26,513 we ate rice twice, 290 00:12:26,513 --> 00:12:29,149 at the most three times a week. 291 00:12:29,149 --> 00:12:30,350 Rice was... 292 00:12:30,350 --> 00:12:31,751 a luxury item. 293 00:12:31,751 --> 00:12:33,353 The farmer 294 00:12:33,353 --> 00:12:34,955 was producing other 295 00:12:34,955 --> 00:12:36,056 and a more balanced 296 00:12:36,056 --> 00:12:38,391 nutritional system that was 297 00:12:38,391 --> 00:12:40,894 some sort of a Haitian culture. 298 00:12:40,894 --> 00:12:41,995 When they started flooding 299 00:12:41,995 --> 00:12:43,596 the Haitian market 300 00:12:43,596 --> 00:12:46,199 with subsidized rice, 301 00:12:46,199 --> 00:12:48,035 what actually happened is that 302 00:12:48,035 --> 00:12:50,103 rice became a cheaper commodity, 303 00:12:50,103 --> 00:12:52,605 and rice has become the center 304 00:12:52,605 --> 00:12:54,107 of the eating habit. 305 00:12:54,107 --> 00:12:55,708 From three times a week, 306 00:12:55,708 --> 00:12:57,044 now we're consuming rice 307 00:12:57,044 --> 00:12:58,378 three times a day, 308 00:12:58,378 --> 00:12:59,746 seven days a week. 309 00:12:59,746 --> 00:13:01,014 People eat rice for breakfast, 310 00:13:01,014 --> 00:13:02,415 for lunch, and for dinner, 311 00:13:02,415 --> 00:13:04,284 because rice has become so cheap 312 00:13:04,284 --> 00:13:05,585 but it has become so cheap 313 00:13:05,585 --> 00:13:06,987 because it was subsidized. 314 00:13:08,822 --> 00:13:10,858 TIMOTHY: And none of that was an accident. 315 00:13:10,858 --> 00:13:12,625 They knew very well in Congress, 316 00:13:12,625 --> 00:13:13,927 and you read the minutes 317 00:13:13,927 --> 00:13:15,262 and people have written about this 318 00:13:15,262 --> 00:13:16,763 and I wrote about it in Travesty. 319 00:13:16,763 --> 00:13:17,998 They would say this in Congress, 320 00:13:17,998 --> 00:13:19,466 "We wanna turn Haiti into the Taiwan 321 00:13:19,466 --> 00:13:20,500 of the Caribbean." 322 00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:23,203 So you had a, kind of, a marriage. 323 00:13:23,203 --> 00:13:24,938 The food lobby, the U .S. farmers 324 00:13:24,938 --> 00:13:26,239 who wanted to sell more products 325 00:13:26,239 --> 00:13:27,574 so Haiti could be shifted into 326 00:13:27,574 --> 00:13:29,877 a consumer of U.S. agricultural products, 327 00:13:29,877 --> 00:13:31,311 it's good for us. 328 00:13:31,311 --> 00:13:33,780 Then you had the offshore venture capitalists 329 00:13:33,780 --> 00:13:35,648 who wanted to promote 330 00:13:35,648 --> 00:13:36,716 industry in this-- 331 00:13:36,716 --> 00:13:38,018 in the urban areas. 332 00:13:38,018 --> 00:13:39,086 They argued it was good for Haiti 333 00:13:39,086 --> 00:13:40,420 because it gives people jobs. 334 00:13:40,420 --> 00:13:42,155 And then you had a third partner in this, 335 00:13:42,155 --> 00:13:43,790 and that was the conservationists, 336 00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:44,858 because Haiti, with the-- 337 00:13:44,858 --> 00:13:45,993 with the erosion 338 00:13:45,993 --> 00:13:48,095 and the deforestation, 339 00:13:48,095 --> 00:13:50,063 was considered a serious problem, 340 00:13:50,063 --> 00:13:51,498 a serious ecological problem for the entire region. 341 00:13:51,498 --> 00:13:52,732 You've got runoff 342 00:13:52,732 --> 00:13:54,067 in the mountains, erosion, 343 00:13:54,067 --> 00:13:55,635 you know, dirt going into the ocean, 344 00:13:55,635 --> 00:13:57,170 smothering the reefs, 345 00:13:57,170 --> 00:13:59,072 so we need to get the peasants off the hills 346 00:13:59,072 --> 00:14:00,507 with their inefficient 347 00:14:00,507 --> 00:14:01,708 hillside farming 348 00:14:01,708 --> 00:14:03,443 of beans and corn. 349 00:14:03,443 --> 00:14:05,312 We get them out of the mountains 350 00:14:05,312 --> 00:14:07,280 and down into the cities and working in the factories 351 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:08,648 so we can preserve the mountains, 352 00:14:08,648 --> 00:14:10,083 trees can grow back. 353 00:14:10,083 --> 00:14:11,184 So it's this nice little picture 354 00:14:11,184 --> 00:14:13,120 of all three, you know, 355 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,487 conservationists, 356 00:14:14,487 --> 00:14:15,855 and offshore venture capitalists 357 00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:17,624 who are promoting factories, 358 00:14:17,624 --> 00:14:19,326 and the U.S. farm lobby. 359 00:14:19,326 --> 00:14:21,161 And what beautiful logic. I mean, it could-- 360 00:14:21,161 --> 00:14:22,896 come on, you step back. How can you argue with it? 361 00:14:22,896 --> 00:14:25,398 REPORTER: What brought about the change in your thinking 362 00:14:25,398 --> 00:14:27,167 to have you issue your apology the other day 363 00:14:27,167 --> 00:14:28,835 about the food policies? 364 00:14:28,835 --> 00:14:30,770 We genuinely thought 365 00:14:30,770 --> 00:14:32,572 we were helping Haiti 366 00:14:32,572 --> 00:14:33,907 when we... 367 00:14:35,575 --> 00:14:37,410 restored President Aristide, 368 00:14:37,410 --> 00:14:39,446 made a commitment to help rebuild the infrastructure 369 00:14:39,446 --> 00:14:41,614 through the Army Corps of Engineers there, 370 00:14:41,614 --> 00:14:43,216 and do a lot of other things, 371 00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:45,885 and we made this devil's bargain on rice, 372 00:14:45,885 --> 00:14:47,154 and it wasn't the right thing to do. 373 00:14:48,655 --> 00:14:49,756 DANIEL: Think about it. 374 00:14:49,756 --> 00:14:51,258 If you are in the countryside, 375 00:14:51,258 --> 00:14:52,859 you used to farm and you used 376 00:14:52,859 --> 00:14:54,494 to produce rice competitively, 377 00:14:54,494 --> 00:14:57,064 now there's a cheap rice coming in 378 00:14:57,064 --> 00:14:58,631 and you don't have anything to do there. 379 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:02,669 KENNETH: Because farmers 380 00:15:02,669 --> 00:15:05,138 could not make a living outside 381 00:15:05,138 --> 00:15:06,539 in the rural area, they moved in 382 00:15:06,539 --> 00:15:07,707 looking for better days 383 00:15:07,707 --> 00:15:08,808 into Port-au-Prince, 384 00:15:08,808 --> 00:15:11,111 and we overbuilt slums. 385 00:15:11,111 --> 00:15:12,679 And what it did 386 00:15:12,679 --> 00:15:13,981 is it actually 387 00:15:13,981 --> 00:15:16,016 created more poverty. 388 00:15:18,851 --> 00:15:20,620 TIMOTHY: I'm not saying they were wrong. I'm not saying 389 00:15:20,620 --> 00:15:22,422 it was--and it wasn't-- it certainly wasn't evil, 390 00:15:22,422 --> 00:15:24,891 but the side effects of this plan, 391 00:15:24,891 --> 00:15:25,959 this social engineering 392 00:15:25,959 --> 00:15:28,661 that came from the North, 393 00:15:28,661 --> 00:15:30,030 was massive slums 394 00:15:30,030 --> 00:15:31,131 built with concrete 395 00:15:31,131 --> 00:15:33,133 and poorly constructed. 396 00:15:33,133 --> 00:15:34,534 On a fault line. 397 00:15:38,171 --> 00:15:40,307 MAN: This is CNN, Breaking News. 398 00:15:40,307 --> 00:15:41,708 ANDERSON: If you're-- if you're just joining us 399 00:15:41,708 --> 00:15:43,276 we are following the breaking news out of Haiti, 400 00:15:43,276 --> 00:15:44,911 the largest most powerful earthquake 401 00:15:44,911 --> 00:15:46,013 in the region's history 402 00:15:46,013 --> 00:15:47,080 has crippled the country, 403 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,681 measuring 7.0. 404 00:15:48,681 --> 00:15:50,950 Its epicenter was just a few miles outside 405 00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:52,652 the capital, Port-au-Prince. 406 00:15:52,652 --> 00:15:55,588 ( music playing ) 407 00:15:59,192 --> 00:16:01,161 DANIEL: It hit when I was on the road. 408 00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:05,065 And you think of your family, 409 00:16:05,065 --> 00:16:06,233 you think of your 410 00:16:06,233 --> 00:16:07,634 brothers and sisters, 411 00:16:07,634 --> 00:16:09,002 and that night 412 00:16:09,002 --> 00:16:10,270 was a nightmare. 413 00:16:11,404 --> 00:16:12,905 The next morning we woke up 414 00:16:12,905 --> 00:16:14,707 and the whole place 415 00:16:14,707 --> 00:16:15,775 was down, 416 00:16:15,775 --> 00:16:17,944 especially downtown was-- 417 00:16:17,944 --> 00:16:20,080 had the effect of a bomb. 418 00:16:22,615 --> 00:16:24,884 After the earthquake there was a lot of needs. 419 00:16:24,884 --> 00:16:26,653 It was good that 420 00:16:26,653 --> 00:16:28,721 people came in and start helping. 421 00:16:28,721 --> 00:16:30,123 The problem is that 422 00:16:30,123 --> 00:16:31,658 the short-term natural disaster 423 00:16:31,658 --> 00:16:32,825 turned into a long-term 424 00:16:32,825 --> 00:16:34,527 unnatural disaster. 425 00:16:37,897 --> 00:16:40,600 ( indistinct chatter ) 426 00:16:44,271 --> 00:16:46,306 ANDREAS: When that earthquake hit, 427 00:16:46,306 --> 00:16:47,407 there is no question, 428 00:16:47,407 --> 00:16:49,342 it's a human non-negotiable, 429 00:16:49,342 --> 00:16:51,511 to go in there and help at any cost, 430 00:16:51,511 --> 00:16:53,980 except that once you are in that 431 00:16:53,980 --> 00:16:55,248 feeling of helping people, 432 00:16:55,248 --> 00:16:56,316 it actually makes us 433 00:16:56,316 --> 00:16:57,984 feel good to help, 434 00:16:57,984 --> 00:16:59,752 to be Superman, to show up 435 00:16:59,752 --> 00:17:01,221 and save somebody, 436 00:17:01,221 --> 00:17:02,622 and then we don't let go. 437 00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:06,793 CORRIGAN: When the January 12th earthquake 438 00:17:06,793 --> 00:17:08,395 hit in 2010, 439 00:17:08,395 --> 00:17:10,530 this individual from Thailand 440 00:17:10,530 --> 00:17:12,332 had emailed 441 00:17:12,332 --> 00:17:15,235 because he had gone through 442 00:17:15,235 --> 00:17:17,937 the tsunami in Thailand, 443 00:17:17,937 --> 00:17:19,539 and he said, you know, 444 00:17:19,539 --> 00:17:21,241 "I'm so glad that you survived 445 00:17:21,241 --> 00:17:22,542 "this national disaster. 446 00:17:22,542 --> 00:17:24,211 "I'm just praying that you'll survive 447 00:17:24,211 --> 00:17:26,179 the arrival of all the NGOs." 448 00:17:26,179 --> 00:17:28,148 And I didn't really understand 449 00:17:28,148 --> 00:17:29,749 what he meant at the time. 450 00:17:29,749 --> 00:17:31,284 The earthquake happened 451 00:17:31,284 --> 00:17:32,852 almost three years ago now, 452 00:17:32,852 --> 00:17:34,087 and there's still 453 00:17:34,087 --> 00:17:35,955 free rice being delivered, 454 00:17:35,955 --> 00:17:37,023 and it's still hurting 455 00:17:37,023 --> 00:17:38,258 the Haitian economy. 456 00:17:38,258 --> 00:17:40,493 It's not an emergency anymore. 457 00:17:41,594 --> 00:17:44,030 DANIEL: It is a republic of NGOs 458 00:17:44,030 --> 00:17:45,098 because there are more NGOs 459 00:17:45,098 --> 00:17:46,299 per capita here 460 00:17:46,299 --> 00:17:48,201 than anywhere else in the world. 461 00:17:48,201 --> 00:17:49,336 I don't have the official number, 462 00:17:49,336 --> 00:17:50,937 but they claim that in Haiti alone 463 00:17:50,937 --> 00:17:52,805 there's 10,000 NGOs. 464 00:17:52,805 --> 00:17:55,708 ( music playing ) 465 00:18:08,188 --> 00:18:09,989 DANIEL: The NGOs, they do some help, 466 00:18:09,989 --> 00:18:13,993 but they're trying to find ways for them 467 00:18:13,993 --> 00:18:15,928 to keep giving away 468 00:18:15,928 --> 00:18:17,864 free stuff, 469 00:18:17,864 --> 00:18:20,333 as if they didn't want 470 00:18:20,333 --> 00:18:22,202 the Haitians to stand up for themselves. 471 00:18:22,202 --> 00:18:24,070 Do you see what I mean? 472 00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:26,206 ( metal grinding ) 473 00:18:28,241 --> 00:18:31,144 ( music playing ) 474 00:18:38,585 --> 00:18:39,919 JEAN-RONEL: My name is Jean-Ronel Noel. 475 00:18:39,919 --> 00:18:42,189 I am the cofounder of ENERSA. 476 00:18:42,189 --> 00:18:44,123 My partner and I, Alex Georges, 477 00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:46,025 we started in my garage 478 00:18:46,025 --> 00:18:47,360 six, seven years ago, 479 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:49,562 making small experiments with the solar panels. 480 00:18:52,299 --> 00:18:53,366 This is the raw material. 481 00:18:53,366 --> 00:18:54,801 We work them to become 482 00:18:54,801 --> 00:18:55,868 actual street lights, 483 00:18:55,868 --> 00:18:56,869 solar street lights. 484 00:18:58,471 --> 00:18:59,539 JEAN-RONEL: We wanted to be part 485 00:18:59,539 --> 00:19:01,441 of something special, 486 00:19:01,441 --> 00:19:03,476 and because both of us, we grew up in Haiti, 487 00:19:03,476 --> 00:19:06,179 so you know, we know what the situation is. 488 00:19:06,179 --> 00:19:08,281 We have plenty of sunshine, 489 00:19:08,281 --> 00:19:10,183 so is there a way that you can harvest energy 490 00:19:10,183 --> 00:19:11,951 from the sun and to resolve 491 00:19:11,951 --> 00:19:13,286 the energy problem? 492 00:19:13,286 --> 00:19:14,354 So this is something that is 493 00:19:14,354 --> 00:19:15,488 completely different, 494 00:19:15,488 --> 00:19:18,057 and it was something completely new. 495 00:19:18,057 --> 00:19:19,125 At the beginning, 496 00:19:19,125 --> 00:19:20,293 almost everybody thought, 497 00:19:20,293 --> 00:19:21,761 "Those guys were really crazy. 498 00:19:21,761 --> 00:19:23,263 "They don't have nothing to do? 499 00:19:23,263 --> 00:19:24,331 "Spending their time making some experiment 500 00:19:24,331 --> 00:19:25,398 "on solar panels 501 00:19:25,398 --> 00:19:27,534 and LED light bulbs?" 502 00:19:27,534 --> 00:19:29,168 And even now we come with the product and say, 503 00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:30,803 "This is Haitian-made product." 504 00:19:30,803 --> 00:19:32,905 Most people, they don't believe us. 505 00:19:34,874 --> 00:19:35,842 At the beginning, 506 00:19:35,842 --> 00:19:38,077 having a five hundred dollars contract 507 00:19:38,077 --> 00:19:39,312 was great news, 508 00:19:39,312 --> 00:19:40,380 because we have-- 509 00:19:40,380 --> 00:19:42,949 we have money for next week. 510 00:19:42,949 --> 00:19:44,917 This is the way we started. 511 00:19:44,917 --> 00:19:46,152 Now, we have like... 512 00:19:46,152 --> 00:19:47,854 big contract 513 00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:49,356 and we have... 514 00:19:49,356 --> 00:19:51,624 62 employees right now, 515 00:19:53,326 --> 00:19:55,094 so we think we found 516 00:19:55,094 --> 00:19:56,996 the right track. 517 00:19:56,996 --> 00:19:58,465 ( metal grinding ) 518 00:19:59,699 --> 00:20:00,933 Most of the 519 00:20:00,933 --> 00:20:02,502 employees we have 520 00:20:02,502 --> 00:20:04,571 come from shanty towns. 521 00:20:04,571 --> 00:20:06,205 Some from Cite Soleil, 522 00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:09,008 some from Maissade, Cite Castro, 523 00:20:09,008 --> 00:20:11,110 you know, a very populated area. 524 00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:12,345 We train them here. 525 00:20:14,180 --> 00:20:16,383 There is no Social Security Network 526 00:20:16,383 --> 00:20:17,650 in Haiti. 527 00:20:18,551 --> 00:20:20,353 So for our workers, we are 528 00:20:20,353 --> 00:20:21,954 the Social Security Network. 529 00:20:21,954 --> 00:20:23,456 If they were not working, 530 00:20:23,456 --> 00:20:25,224 probably some of them would be 531 00:20:25,224 --> 00:20:27,093 gang members. 532 00:20:27,093 --> 00:20:28,261 In fact, 533 00:20:28,261 --> 00:20:29,629 when we were starting ENERSA, I mean, 534 00:20:29,629 --> 00:20:31,898 the situation was really, really bad in Haiti. 535 00:20:31,898 --> 00:20:33,600 And some of the guys, 536 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,901 they are trying to recruit them 537 00:20:34,901 --> 00:20:36,269 to become gang members, 538 00:20:36,269 --> 00:20:38,771 I mean, they offer you like 500 US 539 00:20:38,771 --> 00:20:39,706 and a gun, 540 00:20:39,706 --> 00:20:41,007 and you are unemployed guy, 541 00:20:41,007 --> 00:20:42,475 you have no future 542 00:20:42,475 --> 00:20:44,311 in this city, so that you don't see yourself 543 00:20:44,311 --> 00:20:45,445 as part of nothing, 544 00:20:45,445 --> 00:20:46,546 so it's easy 545 00:20:46,546 --> 00:20:47,647 to accept this offer. 546 00:20:47,647 --> 00:20:50,350 I mean, the temptation is high. 547 00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:51,551 And some of the guys at the beginning, 548 00:20:51,551 --> 00:20:52,785 I mean, we were really smart 549 00:20:52,785 --> 00:20:54,554 and they were calling me and say, 550 00:20:54,554 --> 00:20:56,323 "Geez, I have no money. I have nothing." 551 00:20:56,323 --> 00:20:57,557 I said, "Don't go there, 552 00:20:57,557 --> 00:20:59,592 "don't go there, 553 00:20:59,592 --> 00:21:01,594 because you have no future in the gang." 554 00:21:01,594 --> 00:21:03,730 ( machine whirring ) 555 00:21:05,164 --> 00:21:06,633 JEAN-RONEL: We have installed 556 00:21:06,633 --> 00:21:09,035 200 lights in Cite Soleil. 557 00:21:09,035 --> 00:21:10,503 They know that ENERSA 558 00:21:10,503 --> 00:21:12,138 is hiring people from Cite Soleil, 559 00:21:12,138 --> 00:21:13,340 and brought the light 560 00:21:13,340 --> 00:21:15,041 to Cite Soleil. 561 00:21:15,041 --> 00:21:17,143 When you do something, you can see the impact 562 00:21:17,143 --> 00:21:19,646 on the population and you can say, 563 00:21:19,646 --> 00:21:21,581 "This is because of me." 564 00:21:21,581 --> 00:21:23,583 ( music playing ) 565 00:21:23,583 --> 00:21:25,418 MAN: * Work for your money * 566 00:21:27,086 --> 00:21:28,154 * You got to work * 567 00:21:28,154 --> 00:21:30,289 * For your pay * 568 00:21:31,257 --> 00:21:33,025 * You got to work * 569 00:21:33,025 --> 00:21:34,494 * For your children * 570 00:21:35,995 --> 00:21:37,196 * You got to work * 571 00:21:37,196 --> 00:21:38,765 * For your pay * 572 00:21:41,901 --> 00:21:43,470 FRANTZ: ( speaking foreign language ) 573 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,943 -( speaking foreign language ) -( speaking foreign language ) 574 00:22:30,717 --> 00:22:33,586 ( speaking foreign language ) 575 00:22:55,141 --> 00:22:57,577 ( laughing ) 576 00:22:59,546 --> 00:23:01,147 ( horn honking ) 577 00:23:02,615 --> 00:23:03,683 WOMAN: Sugar? 578 00:23:03,683 --> 00:23:04,951 With your coffee? 579 00:23:04,951 --> 00:23:05,985 Yes, yes, yes. 580 00:23:07,654 --> 00:23:09,021 Coffee needs to be very, 581 00:23:09,021 --> 00:23:11,223 very sweet in Haiti. It's more like 582 00:23:11,223 --> 00:23:12,992 coffee syrup than coffee. 583 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:18,364 Right after the earthquake, you had a lot 584 00:23:18,364 --> 00:23:19,566 of need for solar 585 00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:21,668 because powers was completely out 586 00:23:21,668 --> 00:23:23,536 in Port-au-Prince. 587 00:23:23,536 --> 00:23:25,004 NGOs started to feel 588 00:23:25,004 --> 00:23:26,606 the need for solar, 589 00:23:26,606 --> 00:23:29,375 went to donors abroad 590 00:23:29,375 --> 00:23:30,677 that sent 591 00:23:31,678 --> 00:23:34,113 the solar equipment from abroad. 592 00:23:34,113 --> 00:23:35,915 So then when we managed 593 00:23:35,915 --> 00:23:37,016 after a few weeks 594 00:23:37,016 --> 00:23:39,786 to be able to secure the facility 595 00:23:39,786 --> 00:23:44,056 to get some production going again, 596 00:23:44,056 --> 00:23:45,257 then the demand stopped, 597 00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:47,393 because it's hard to compete with free. 598 00:23:47,393 --> 00:23:48,595 Because we-- when you had companies 599 00:23:48,595 --> 00:23:50,096 sending a thousand 600 00:23:50,096 --> 00:23:52,264 solar panels to Haiti 601 00:23:52,264 --> 00:23:53,533 for free, 602 00:23:53,533 --> 00:23:55,434 how are you going to sell? 603 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:57,069 So it comes from a-- from a good heart, 604 00:23:57,069 --> 00:23:58,004 I totally understand. 605 00:23:58,004 --> 00:23:59,371 People didn't know that there was 606 00:23:59,371 --> 00:24:01,040 any solar available, 607 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,242 and people had this conception that 608 00:24:03,242 --> 00:24:04,977 "Oh, in Haiti, you know, there's nothing, 609 00:24:04,977 --> 00:24:06,412 "So I have to come with everything, 610 00:24:06,412 --> 00:24:08,515 even with water if I want it." 611 00:24:08,515 --> 00:24:10,349 So we really suffered 612 00:24:10,349 --> 00:24:11,417 from that perception. 613 00:24:11,417 --> 00:24:13,753 ( machine whirring ) 614 00:24:13,753 --> 00:24:15,421 ALEX: From an average, 615 00:24:15,421 --> 00:24:16,789 before the earthquake, 616 00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:18,057 of 50 street lights 617 00:24:18,057 --> 00:24:19,358 a month in average, 618 00:24:19,358 --> 00:24:22,261 we went from January to June, 619 00:24:22,261 --> 00:24:24,230 we sold 5 street lights. 620 00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:27,066 JEAN-RONEL: After the earthquake, 621 00:24:27,066 --> 00:24:28,234 we are competing 622 00:24:28,234 --> 00:24:29,435 mostly against NGO. 623 00:24:29,435 --> 00:24:30,803 So NGOs were coming 624 00:24:30,803 --> 00:24:32,071 with their solar panels, 625 00:24:32,071 --> 00:24:33,039 solar street lights, 626 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:34,306 and they are giving them for free. 627 00:24:34,306 --> 00:24:36,576 So what about local businessmen? 628 00:24:36,576 --> 00:24:38,511 So what do you expect them to do? 629 00:24:38,511 --> 00:24:39,946 MAN: Did you ever talk to those people 630 00:24:39,946 --> 00:24:41,480 who were giving it for free and say, "Hey, 631 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,782 what are you guys doing?" 632 00:24:42,782 --> 00:24:44,216 Oh, we met them many times. 633 00:24:45,885 --> 00:24:47,520 Those NGOs, they are changing 634 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,121 the mentality of the people. 635 00:24:50,089 --> 00:24:51,791 Now you have like a generation 636 00:24:51,791 --> 00:24:53,926 with a dependence mentality. 637 00:24:55,461 --> 00:24:56,563 ALEX: When it becomes 638 00:24:56,563 --> 00:24:58,230 an industry of its own, 639 00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:59,732 the industry of charity, 640 00:24:59,732 --> 00:25:00,867 it creates more harm 641 00:25:00,867 --> 00:25:02,802 than good to the country. 642 00:25:02,802 --> 00:25:05,304 But there are different ways that can help. 643 00:25:05,304 --> 00:25:07,239 ( indistinct chatter ) 644 00:25:09,208 --> 00:25:11,210 JEAN-RONEL: We have done experience with 645 00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:12,311 Partners Worldwide. 646 00:25:12,311 --> 00:25:13,379 They are working in Haiti, 647 00:25:13,379 --> 00:25:14,547 and these are NGO 648 00:25:14,547 --> 00:25:16,282 that support businesses. 649 00:25:16,282 --> 00:25:18,450 So they help you 650 00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:19,686 set up your business. 651 00:25:19,686 --> 00:25:21,120 They give you training, 652 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:22,655 they try to put you on their network, 653 00:25:22,655 --> 00:25:24,657 they try to sell your goods. 654 00:25:24,657 --> 00:25:26,058 ( Speaks foreign language ) 655 00:25:26,058 --> 00:25:27,393 JEAN-RONEL: They do everything that can 656 00:25:27,393 --> 00:25:28,828 help your business grow. 657 00:25:30,496 --> 00:25:31,898 Some NGOs also are 658 00:25:31,898 --> 00:25:33,700 training technicians, 659 00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:35,034 construction workers, 660 00:25:35,034 --> 00:25:36,969 mechanic guys, electricians, 661 00:25:36,969 --> 00:25:39,639 and they are giving them possibility 662 00:25:39,639 --> 00:25:41,741 to start their own business. 663 00:25:41,741 --> 00:25:43,509 They are teaching them how to fish, 664 00:25:43,509 --> 00:25:45,311 not to give them the fish every day. 665 00:25:45,311 --> 00:25:46,445 Your goal should be 666 00:25:46,445 --> 00:25:47,580 to give me a fishing rod 667 00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:49,115 and to teach me how to fish 668 00:25:49,115 --> 00:25:50,216 and then move out, 669 00:25:50,216 --> 00:25:51,283 but after 40 years, 670 00:25:51,283 --> 00:25:52,351 if you're still here, 671 00:25:52,351 --> 00:25:53,653 there is a problem. 672 00:25:55,655 --> 00:25:58,791 ( music playing ) 673 00:26:02,361 --> 00:26:04,430 NARRATOR: The current model of development began 674 00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:05,698 in the wake of World War II, 675 00:26:05,698 --> 00:26:07,399 and the end of colonialism. 676 00:26:07,399 --> 00:26:10,102 Many believed that one of the causes of the war 677 00:26:10,102 --> 00:26:12,872 was the catastrophic economic condition in Europe 678 00:26:12,872 --> 00:26:14,641 in the 1930s. 679 00:26:14,641 --> 00:26:16,175 As the war came to an end, 680 00:26:16,175 --> 00:26:17,710 leading economists 681 00:26:17,710 --> 00:26:19,679 and delegates from around the world 682 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:21,580 met in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire 683 00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:22,749 to create organizations 684 00:26:22,749 --> 00:26:24,116 that would help stabilize 685 00:26:24,116 --> 00:26:26,753 the international economic system. 686 00:26:28,287 --> 00:26:29,588 They formed GATT, 687 00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:30,690 the General Agreements 688 00:26:30,690 --> 00:26:31,858 on Tariffs and Trade, 689 00:26:31,858 --> 00:26:34,593 later to become the WTO, 690 00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:36,328 the International Monetary Fund 691 00:26:36,328 --> 00:26:37,964 or IMF, 692 00:26:37,964 --> 00:26:39,331 and the International Bank 693 00:26:39,331 --> 00:26:41,567 for Reconstruction and Development, 694 00:26:41,567 --> 00:26:43,102 known as The World Bank. 695 00:26:44,971 --> 00:26:46,305 The goal of The World Bank 696 00:26:46,305 --> 00:26:47,573 was originally to help 697 00:26:47,573 --> 00:26:49,075 rebuild war-torn Europe, 698 00:26:49,075 --> 00:26:51,410 but this role was soon taken over 699 00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:52,812 by the Marshall Plan. 700 00:26:52,812 --> 00:26:54,246 MAN: In Washington, George C. Marshall 701 00:26:54,246 --> 00:26:56,248 made known the principles of the plan 702 00:26:56,248 --> 00:26:58,818 that was later to bear his name. 703 00:26:58,818 --> 00:27:01,287 There is no doubt whatever in my mind 704 00:27:01,287 --> 00:27:02,955 that if we decide to do this thing, 705 00:27:02,955 --> 00:27:04,590 we can do it successfully. 706 00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:06,392 MAN: Later, President Truman 707 00:27:06,392 --> 00:27:08,360 drove to the capital to put the Marshall Plan 708 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:10,697 for European Aid before Congress. 709 00:27:10,697 --> 00:27:12,131 HARRY: I am here today 710 00:27:12,131 --> 00:27:14,333 to report to you 711 00:27:14,333 --> 00:27:15,467 on the critical nature 712 00:27:15,467 --> 00:27:17,303 of the situation in Europe 713 00:27:18,537 --> 00:27:19,939 and to recommend action 714 00:27:19,939 --> 00:27:21,440 for your consideration. 715 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,376 NARRATOR: As Europe's war-torn economies 716 00:27:24,376 --> 00:27:25,678 began to turn around, 717 00:27:25,678 --> 00:27:27,379 many credited the Marshall Plan 718 00:27:27,379 --> 00:27:28,815 as playing a key role 719 00:27:28,815 --> 00:27:30,449 in jumpstarting their growth 720 00:27:30,449 --> 00:27:31,617 and this approach 721 00:27:31,617 --> 00:27:33,152 of providing foreign aid 722 00:27:33,152 --> 00:27:34,821 became the model for helping 723 00:27:34,821 --> 00:27:37,423 the developing world as well. 724 00:27:37,423 --> 00:27:39,258 The idea was that if you could build up 725 00:27:39,258 --> 00:27:42,261 infrastructure, electricity, and education, 726 00:27:42,261 --> 00:27:44,964 it would spark the process of economic development 727 00:27:44,964 --> 00:27:46,065 and countries could make the leap 728 00:27:46,065 --> 00:27:47,834 into industrialism. 729 00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:50,369 The World Bank found its new mission, 730 00:27:50,369 --> 00:27:52,104 promoting development in Africa, 731 00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:54,106 Asia, and Latin America. 732 00:27:55,274 --> 00:27:57,343 KIBAKI: Today, 733 00:27:57,343 --> 00:27:59,145 the Board of Governors 734 00:27:59,145 --> 00:28:01,680 of the International Bank 735 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,215 for Reconstruction 736 00:28:03,215 --> 00:28:04,851 and Development 737 00:28:04,851 --> 00:28:07,286 and the International Monetary Fund 738 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,191 meet for the first time 739 00:28:12,191 --> 00:28:14,126 on the continent 740 00:28:14,126 --> 00:28:15,527 of Africa. 741 00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:17,830 NARRATOR: Foreign aid or what's called 742 00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:19,999 "official development assistance," 743 00:28:19,999 --> 00:28:22,101 consists of government- to-government transfers, 744 00:28:22,101 --> 00:28:23,369 and can take the form 745 00:28:23,369 --> 00:28:24,971 of grants or loans. 746 00:28:26,638 --> 00:28:28,007 Tax dollars go to governments 747 00:28:28,007 --> 00:28:30,276 and international organizations, 748 00:28:30,276 --> 00:28:32,378 which transfer funds to governments 749 00:28:32,378 --> 00:28:33,479 in the developing world 750 00:28:33,479 --> 00:28:34,580 for things like food, 751 00:28:34,580 --> 00:28:35,647 infrastructure, 752 00:28:35,647 --> 00:28:37,049 and healthcare. 753 00:28:37,049 --> 00:28:38,818 The aid may include contingencies 754 00:28:38,818 --> 00:28:40,787 requiring recipient countries 755 00:28:40,787 --> 00:28:42,188 to implement policies 756 00:28:42,188 --> 00:28:44,223 that donor countries deem beneficial. 757 00:28:45,691 --> 00:28:47,226 Over time, as foreign aid 758 00:28:47,226 --> 00:28:48,294 has expanded, 759 00:28:48,294 --> 00:28:49,195 consultants, 760 00:28:49,195 --> 00:28:50,729 non-governmental organizations, 761 00:28:50,729 --> 00:28:51,798 and charities 762 00:28:51,798 --> 00:28:52,999 also receive aid money 763 00:28:52,999 --> 00:28:54,066 from governments 764 00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:55,501 to implement projects 765 00:28:55,501 --> 00:28:56,903 and will often contract 766 00:28:56,903 --> 00:28:59,171 with additional charities and NGOs. 767 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,641 Catholic Relief Services 768 00:29:02,641 --> 00:29:04,143 receives over 70% 769 00:29:04,143 --> 00:29:06,445 of its budget from government money. 770 00:29:06,445 --> 00:29:07,947 While in 2012, 771 00:29:07,947 --> 00:29:09,681 World Vision received close 772 00:29:09,681 --> 00:29:12,184 to $175 million, 773 00:29:12,184 --> 00:29:14,186 and the international development firm 774 00:29:14,186 --> 00:29:15,054 Chamonix, 775 00:29:15,054 --> 00:29:16,856 more than $500 million 776 00:29:16,856 --> 00:29:18,357 in government contracts. 777 00:29:19,691 --> 00:29:20,793 A recent drive 778 00:29:20,793 --> 00:29:22,028 for increased foreign aid 779 00:29:22,028 --> 00:29:23,529 is the United Nation's 780 00:29:23,529 --> 00:29:24,964 Millennium Development Goals, 781 00:29:24,964 --> 00:29:26,432 with the aim of eradicating 782 00:29:26,432 --> 00:29:27,599 extreme poverty 783 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,902 by the year 2015. 784 00:29:29,902 --> 00:29:32,071 With over 400 proposed interventions, 785 00:29:32,071 --> 00:29:33,472 the goals have been endorsed 786 00:29:33,472 --> 00:29:34,773 by government leaders, 787 00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:36,242 promoted by celebrities, 788 00:29:36,242 --> 00:29:37,643 and thousands of charities 789 00:29:37,643 --> 00:29:38,710 and universities 790 00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:39,946 have signed on. 791 00:29:42,548 --> 00:29:43,649 Foreign aid has become 792 00:29:43,649 --> 00:29:44,917 the cornerstone 793 00:29:44,917 --> 00:29:46,718 for the West's engagement 794 00:29:46,718 --> 00:29:48,454 with what became known as 795 00:29:48,454 --> 00:29:50,122 the Third World. 796 00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:53,826 ( music playing ) 797 00:29:56,929 --> 00:30:00,066 ( engine revving ) 798 00:30:21,087 --> 00:30:22,621 TIMOTHY: The nice explanation 799 00:30:22,621 --> 00:30:23,789 for development,you know, 800 00:30:23,789 --> 00:30:25,091 the sympathetic explanation 801 00:30:25,091 --> 00:30:26,292 is to relate it to the Marshall Plan, 802 00:30:26,292 --> 00:30:28,427 relate it to the developing of Europe 803 00:30:28,427 --> 00:30:30,262 and the--and the idea that we could go 804 00:30:30,262 --> 00:30:31,730 into these developing countries 805 00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:33,632 and help build an economy 806 00:30:33,632 --> 00:30:35,968 and build infrastructure. 807 00:30:35,968 --> 00:30:38,170 So yeah, the nice way to say it 808 00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:40,206 and what people who are involved in the system, 809 00:30:40,206 --> 00:30:42,374 the UNCID, and all these guys, 810 00:30:42,374 --> 00:30:44,676 they all trace themselves back to the Marshall Plan, 811 00:30:44,676 --> 00:30:45,945 because it was a success. 812 00:30:47,046 --> 00:30:48,780 And yeah, that's the nice twist. 813 00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:50,216 I think a better way to understand it 814 00:30:50,216 --> 00:30:52,351 is in the context of the Cold War, 815 00:30:52,351 --> 00:30:53,819 competing for the resources 816 00:30:53,819 --> 00:30:55,021 in a Neo-Neo 817 00:30:55,021 --> 00:30:56,222 type of colonialism. 818 00:30:57,689 --> 00:30:59,158 You know, I've talked to Haitians saying, 819 00:30:59,158 --> 00:31:01,227 "You know, we had colonialism, 820 00:31:01,227 --> 00:31:02,861 "We had neocolonialism, 821 00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:04,363 "We had Neo-neocolonialism. 822 00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:07,099 And now we have development," 823 00:31:07,099 --> 00:31:08,968 which is just another colonialism. 824 00:31:14,706 --> 00:31:15,807 THEODORE: I once spent 825 00:31:15,807 --> 00:31:17,343 a rather happy afternoon 826 00:31:17,343 --> 00:31:18,744 in a place called Malabo, 827 00:31:18,744 --> 00:31:20,913 counting the number of vehicles 828 00:31:20,913 --> 00:31:23,015 of different aid agencies. 829 00:31:23,015 --> 00:31:24,083 NARRATOR: Theodore Dalrymple 830 00:31:24,083 --> 00:31:25,351 is an English physician 831 00:31:25,351 --> 00:31:27,019 who has worked in Tanzania, 832 00:31:27,019 --> 00:31:28,854 Zimbabwe, South Africa, 833 00:31:28,854 --> 00:31:30,489 and the Gilbert Islands. 834 00:31:30,489 --> 00:31:32,091 He returned to the United Kingdom 835 00:31:32,091 --> 00:31:33,825 in 1990,where he served 836 00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:35,827 as a psychiatrist with prisoners 837 00:31:35,827 --> 00:31:38,364 and in inner-city Birmingham. 838 00:31:38,364 --> 00:31:39,831 He is the author of numerous books, 839 00:31:39,831 --> 00:31:42,868 including Zanzibar to Timbuktu, 840 00:31:42,868 --> 00:31:44,903 and Life at the Bottom. 841 00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:46,672 THEODORE: Malabo is the 842 00:31:46,672 --> 00:31:49,241 capital of Equatorial Guinea, 843 00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:52,278 where the first democratically elected president 844 00:31:52,278 --> 00:31:53,745 killed or drove into exile 845 00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:56,048 approximately a third of the population. 846 00:31:56,048 --> 00:31:57,583 And he used to keep 847 00:31:57,583 --> 00:32:00,419 the national treasury under his bed. 848 00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:02,388 When the president left the capital, 849 00:32:02,388 --> 00:32:03,922 they turned the electricity off 850 00:32:03,922 --> 00:32:05,958 as being no longer required. 851 00:32:07,059 --> 00:32:09,595 So, I counted the number 852 00:32:09,595 --> 00:32:11,130 of aid agencies, 853 00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:12,198 and I think I counted, 854 00:32:12,198 --> 00:32:13,465 in about three hours, 855 00:32:13,465 --> 00:32:14,600 I counted 27 856 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,037 in large white Toyotas, 857 00:32:18,037 --> 00:32:19,972 air-conditioned, of course. 858 00:32:19,972 --> 00:32:23,509 And really the devastation of 859 00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:24,510 Equatorial Guinea 860 00:32:24,510 --> 00:32:26,945 was very good business for them. 861 00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:29,548 The salary is very good, 862 00:32:29,548 --> 00:32:31,750 it tends to be tax-free. 863 00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:33,285 Unlike your life at home, 864 00:32:33,285 --> 00:32:35,021 you will have servants 865 00:32:35,021 --> 00:32:36,455 and I think it was Shumpita 866 00:32:36,455 --> 00:32:38,157 who said that, "One servant is worth 867 00:32:38,157 --> 00:32:40,126 a household full of appliances." 868 00:32:44,263 --> 00:32:46,232 HERMAN: A lot of the donor agencies, 869 00:32:46,232 --> 00:32:47,633 when I see their country heads 870 00:32:47,633 --> 00:32:49,868 driving around in their posh cars 871 00:32:49,868 --> 00:32:51,137 and living in their big houses, 872 00:32:51,137 --> 00:32:53,539 I see multiple colonial governors. 873 00:32:53,539 --> 00:32:55,641 This is the new face of the colonial governor. 874 00:32:55,641 --> 00:32:58,610 NARRATOR: Guinean software entrepreneur, 875 00:32:58,610 --> 00:33:00,446 Herman Chinery-Hesse, 876 00:33:00,446 --> 00:33:03,315 is the founder of SOFTtribe and BSL. 877 00:33:03,315 --> 00:33:04,783 He began in 1991 878 00:33:04,783 --> 00:33:06,318 working out of his parents' home 879 00:33:06,318 --> 00:33:08,054 to develop a line of software 880 00:33:08,054 --> 00:33:09,155 especially suited 881 00:33:09,155 --> 00:33:10,622 for the developing world, 882 00:33:10,622 --> 00:33:13,425 and then began selling door-to-door. 883 00:33:13,425 --> 00:33:15,661 A leading technology pioneer, 884 00:33:15,661 --> 00:33:18,297 he has been called "The Bill Gates of Africa," 885 00:33:18,297 --> 00:33:20,499 and has been featured on BBC 886 00:33:20,499 --> 00:33:22,868 and in newspapers around the globe. 887 00:33:22,868 --> 00:33:23,935 He is now working 888 00:33:23,935 --> 00:33:25,337 to connect rural entrepreneurs 889 00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:26,838 to wider markets 890 00:33:26,838 --> 00:33:29,708 through innovative smartphone applications. 891 00:33:29,708 --> 00:33:31,577 HERMAN: I think that The World Bank 892 00:33:31,577 --> 00:33:34,246 and other such donor organizations 893 00:33:34,246 --> 00:33:35,914 have an agenda 894 00:33:35,914 --> 00:33:37,216 outside the development 895 00:33:37,216 --> 00:33:39,151 of our countries. 896 00:33:39,151 --> 00:33:41,087 To a large extent, our governments 897 00:33:41,087 --> 00:33:42,288 have been held captive 898 00:33:42,288 --> 00:33:44,123 by the donor agencies, 899 00:33:44,123 --> 00:33:46,058 the international donor community, 900 00:33:46,058 --> 00:33:47,226 who are not, in my view, 901 00:33:47,226 --> 00:33:48,294 particularly interested 902 00:33:48,294 --> 00:33:49,828 in seeing the growth 903 00:33:49,828 --> 00:33:50,896 of local business, 904 00:33:50,896 --> 00:33:52,564 because then the tax base 905 00:33:52,564 --> 00:33:53,599 will represent 906 00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:55,234 a revenue source for the government 907 00:33:55,234 --> 00:33:57,269 and therefore put the international donor agencies 908 00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:58,404 out of business. 909 00:33:58,404 --> 00:33:59,571 MAN: Thank you very much. 910 00:33:59,571 --> 00:34:01,640 Thank you for your patience. 911 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,842 ( applause ) 912 00:34:03,842 --> 00:34:06,612 JOHN: We are no longer getting excited 913 00:34:06,612 --> 00:34:08,814 by aid 914 00:34:08,814 --> 00:34:10,916 from IMF, 915 00:34:10,916 --> 00:34:13,919 from The World Bank. 916 00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:16,088 They perpetuate your misery 917 00:34:16,088 --> 00:34:18,023 by giving you a loan, 918 00:34:18,023 --> 00:34:19,491 make you a slave, 919 00:34:19,491 --> 00:34:20,359 economic slave, 920 00:34:20,359 --> 00:34:22,027 because you are chained 921 00:34:22,027 --> 00:34:23,095 by the loan, 922 00:34:23,095 --> 00:34:24,696 so it becomes 923 00:34:24,696 --> 00:34:26,298 a way of colonizing 924 00:34:26,298 --> 00:34:27,699 the economies 925 00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:30,001 of the poor countries. 926 00:34:30,001 --> 00:34:31,203 Now, there are a lot of Africans 927 00:34:31,203 --> 00:34:32,871 who are very angry, 928 00:34:32,871 --> 00:34:34,773 angry 929 00:34:34,773 --> 00:34:36,975 at the condition of Africa. 930 00:34:36,975 --> 00:34:38,377 The Cheetah Generation 931 00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:40,579 is a new breed of Africans. 932 00:34:40,579 --> 00:34:42,948 They're not gonna wait for governments 933 00:34:42,948 --> 00:34:44,150 to do things for them. 934 00:34:45,151 --> 00:34:46,985 That's the Cheetah Generation. 935 00:34:46,985 --> 00:34:49,155 And Africa's salvation rests 936 00:34:49,155 --> 00:34:50,822 on the backs of these Cheetahs. 937 00:34:52,023 --> 00:34:53,425 In contrast, of course, 938 00:34:53,425 --> 00:34:55,294 we have the Hippo Generation. 939 00:34:55,294 --> 00:34:57,396 ( audience laughing ) 940 00:34:57,396 --> 00:34:59,097 GEORGE: The Hippo Generation 941 00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:02,067 are the ruling elites. 942 00:35:02,067 --> 00:35:04,203 They are those who have monopolized 943 00:35:04,203 --> 00:35:06,338 political power, 944 00:35:06,338 --> 00:35:07,773 and they are those who are stuck 945 00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:10,776 in their muddy pedagogical patch. 946 00:35:10,776 --> 00:35:12,411 And they believe that the only way 947 00:35:12,411 --> 00:35:14,580 you can solve the problems in Africa 948 00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:16,848 is by giving the state more power 949 00:35:16,848 --> 00:35:18,950 and more foreign aid, 950 00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:20,186 and it is on the back 951 00:35:20,186 --> 00:35:21,353 of this Hippo Generation 952 00:35:21,353 --> 00:35:23,189 which the United Nations, 953 00:35:23,189 --> 00:35:25,824 The World Bank, and the IMF have been trying 954 00:35:25,824 --> 00:35:27,125 to hitch a ride with this 955 00:35:27,125 --> 00:35:29,695 same old aid-driven boondoggle. 956 00:35:29,695 --> 00:35:31,897 And that's why we're not getting anywhere in Africa. 957 00:35:33,865 --> 00:35:35,534 Out of the 54 African countries, 958 00:35:35,534 --> 00:35:38,003 only 16 of them are democratic. 959 00:35:38,003 --> 00:35:41,039 Now, these leaders stay in office 10, 20, 30, 960 00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:43,141 and even 40 years in office. 961 00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:44,410 And they don't even step down. 962 00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:46,144 They groom their sons to take over. 963 00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:47,646 Africans are fed up 964 00:35:47,646 --> 00:35:49,248 with this kind of leadership. 965 00:35:51,383 --> 00:35:52,584 MAGATTE: When people support 966 00:35:52,584 --> 00:35:54,786 more foreign aid for Africa, 967 00:35:54,786 --> 00:35:57,856 the more they're condemning us in Africa 968 00:35:57,856 --> 00:35:59,625 to live under dictators 969 00:35:59,625 --> 00:36:02,194 who will not respect our rights 970 00:36:02,194 --> 00:36:03,862 to access to rule of law. 971 00:36:06,832 --> 00:36:07,933 No doubt originally 972 00:36:07,933 --> 00:36:09,735 the idea was compassionate. 973 00:36:09,735 --> 00:36:11,370 You saw people suffering from poverty, 974 00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:13,772 and therefore your immediate response 975 00:36:13,772 --> 00:36:14,773 is to give. 976 00:36:15,874 --> 00:36:17,175 But unfortunately, 977 00:36:17,175 --> 00:36:19,010 giving on a large scale 978 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:20,212 distorts. 979 00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:22,381 Take a country like Tanzania 980 00:36:22,381 --> 00:36:24,250 where I actually worked, 981 00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:26,117 its greatest receipts 982 00:36:26,117 --> 00:36:27,919 in foreign currency 983 00:36:27,919 --> 00:36:29,855 were from aid, 984 00:36:29,855 --> 00:36:31,790 and the whole of the political process 985 00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:33,892 actually was who got their hands 986 00:36:33,892 --> 00:36:35,661 on the aid. 987 00:36:35,661 --> 00:36:38,196 MAGATTE: Make no mistake, I am not against 988 00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:39,731 humanitarian aid. 989 00:36:39,731 --> 00:36:40,766 Of course, 990 00:36:40,766 --> 00:36:43,201 if something, a disaster happens, 991 00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:44,970 we better rally and help each other. 992 00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:47,239 But when humanitarian aid 993 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,941 becomes a way of life, 994 00:36:49,941 --> 00:36:51,377 then we all have a big problem. 995 00:36:52,311 --> 00:36:54,280 Emergency disaster relief 996 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,349 has become the permanent model, 997 00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:58,817 and that model 998 00:36:58,817 --> 00:37:00,452 is what I call 999 00:37:00,452 --> 00:37:01,987 the current aid industry. 1000 00:37:05,524 --> 00:37:07,158 HERMAN: I have never heard of a country 1001 00:37:07,158 --> 00:37:08,727 that developed on aid. 1002 00:37:08,727 --> 00:37:10,929 If you know of one, just let me know. 1003 00:37:10,929 --> 00:37:12,130 I know about countries 1004 00:37:12,130 --> 00:37:13,765 that developed on trade, 1005 00:37:13,765 --> 00:37:16,134 and innovation, and business. 1006 00:37:16,134 --> 00:37:17,303 I don't know of any country 1007 00:37:17,303 --> 00:37:18,804 that got so much aid 1008 00:37:18,804 --> 00:37:20,706 and then suddenly became a first-world country. 1009 00:37:20,706 --> 00:37:22,040 I have never heard of such a country, 1010 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,275 so the track is wrong. 1011 00:37:23,275 --> 00:37:24,776 That track ends to nowhere. 1012 00:37:26,878 --> 00:37:29,247 PAUL: There is a school of thought out there 1013 00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,049 that I don't agree with 1014 00:37:31,049 --> 00:37:32,284 where indeed people 1015 00:37:32,284 --> 00:37:35,120 think they owe the poor people 1016 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,022 to give them money 1017 00:37:37,022 --> 00:37:38,890 without thinking about how 1018 00:37:38,890 --> 00:37:40,626 they are going to use this money. 1019 00:37:42,428 --> 00:37:45,063 Aid leads to more aid 1020 00:37:45,063 --> 00:37:46,565 and more aid and more aid 1021 00:37:46,565 --> 00:37:48,066 and less independence 1022 00:37:48,066 --> 00:37:50,636 of the people that are receiving aid. 1023 00:37:52,003 --> 00:37:54,706 Second is the wrong notion 1024 00:37:54,706 --> 00:37:56,041 for people who have money 1025 00:37:56,041 --> 00:37:57,743 or who give aid, 1026 00:37:57,743 --> 00:38:00,045 they feel good that they're helping, 1027 00:38:00,045 --> 00:38:01,279 but the best way to help 1028 00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:02,781 is to help people 1029 00:38:02,781 --> 00:38:04,650 to be able to stand on their own. 1030 00:38:06,117 --> 00:38:08,086 HERMAN: Our governments are not encouraged 1031 00:38:08,086 --> 00:38:09,921 to buy local. 1032 00:38:09,921 --> 00:38:11,256 Now, when we talk 1033 00:38:11,256 --> 00:38:13,492 to the international donor community, 1034 00:38:13,492 --> 00:38:14,960 they say it's not their policy 1035 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,562 and that we're 1036 00:38:16,562 --> 00:38:18,163 in cloud cuckoo land. 1037 00:38:18,163 --> 00:38:19,331 When we talk to the government, 1038 00:38:19,331 --> 00:38:20,499 the government says, 1039 00:38:20,499 --> 00:38:22,233 "Hey, we're not allowed to buy, 1040 00:38:22,233 --> 00:38:24,570 with donor money, local products." 1041 00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:25,937 That's just the way it is. 1042 00:38:25,937 --> 00:38:28,740 It's their money, they decide who gets it. 1043 00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:30,308 For example, five companies in Ghana 1044 00:38:30,308 --> 00:38:32,544 got together to bid for a contract, together. 1045 00:38:32,544 --> 00:38:34,913 Now, everything was going very well, 1046 00:38:34,913 --> 00:38:37,349 we were competent to do the work, 1047 00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:38,784 guess what happens? We are bidding 1048 00:38:38,784 --> 00:38:40,619 against some European companies. 1049 00:38:40,619 --> 00:38:41,920 One of the companies got their government 1050 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,122 to loan our government money, 1051 00:38:44,122 --> 00:38:45,491 very soft loan, 1052 00:38:45,491 --> 00:38:47,192 for the project. 1053 00:38:47,192 --> 00:38:48,494 Our folks in the government said, 1054 00:38:48,494 --> 00:38:49,795 "Hey, you know, we love you very much, 1055 00:38:49,795 --> 00:38:52,330 but nothing beats free money." 1056 00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:53,532 We lost our money. 1057 00:38:53,532 --> 00:38:54,933 You know what we ended up doing? 1058 00:38:54,933 --> 00:38:57,102 We ended up working as subcontractors 1059 00:38:57,102 --> 00:38:58,370 to the Europeans. 1060 00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:59,871 They gave us the worst part 1061 00:38:59,871 --> 00:39:01,072 of the business. 1062 00:39:01,072 --> 00:39:03,108 The most difficult and least profitable part, 1063 00:39:03,108 --> 00:39:04,510 we wound up doing it 1064 00:39:04,510 --> 00:39:06,545 because we were better at doing the work. 1065 00:39:06,545 --> 00:39:08,414 So they got the best of both worlds. 1066 00:39:08,414 --> 00:39:10,181 Their government paid, 1067 00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:11,249 we ended up doing the work, 1068 00:39:11,249 --> 00:39:12,317 they took the money. 1069 00:39:12,317 --> 00:39:13,385 That's not development, 1070 00:39:13,385 --> 00:39:15,053 that's not assistance, 1071 00:39:15,053 --> 00:39:16,354 that's... 1072 00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:17,556 thuggery. 1073 00:39:19,257 --> 00:39:21,359 THEODORE: A large part of aid is, of course, 1074 00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,029 the subsidy to the companies 1075 00:39:24,029 --> 00:39:25,564 that do the work 1076 00:39:25,564 --> 00:39:26,798 in African countries. 1077 00:39:26,798 --> 00:39:29,367 I myself worked on such a project, 1078 00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:31,169 and I saw myself 1079 00:39:31,169 --> 00:39:32,738 the incredible waste. 1080 00:39:32,738 --> 00:39:35,674 It was a road project actually in Tanzania 1081 00:39:35,674 --> 00:39:37,509 and the foreign aid amounted 1082 00:39:37,509 --> 00:39:39,645 to a huge subsidy 1083 00:39:39,645 --> 00:39:42,881 for a company that could not possibly 1084 00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:46,017 have got the contract in a-- 1085 00:39:46,017 --> 00:39:47,152 in a real market. 1086 00:39:47,152 --> 00:39:48,720 And these can amount 1087 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:51,289 to hundreds of millions of dollars. 1088 00:39:51,289 --> 00:39:54,426 ( music playing ) 1089 00:39:59,030 --> 00:40:01,099 THEODORE: And the so-called foreign aid 1090 00:40:01,099 --> 00:40:03,401 actually goes back to the people 1091 00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:04,836 working for the company, 1092 00:40:04,836 --> 00:40:06,304 and I suppose the shareholders 1093 00:40:06,304 --> 00:40:08,139 of that company. 1094 00:40:08,139 --> 00:40:10,141 And I, myself, am personally 1095 00:40:10,141 --> 00:40:11,710 a beneficiary of that. 1096 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:15,981 Anyway, I-- in essence 1097 00:40:15,981 --> 00:40:17,115 I bought-- 1098 00:40:18,183 --> 00:40:19,618 I bought my first house 1099 00:40:19,618 --> 00:40:21,920 from the proceeds of foreign aid. 1100 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,789 Foreign aid has been excellent to me. 1101 00:40:23,789 --> 00:40:25,524 It's aided me immensely. 1102 00:40:26,925 --> 00:40:29,060 It's allowed me to have an interesting life, 1103 00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:30,161 to travel, 1104 00:40:30,161 --> 00:40:31,296 live in good conditions, 1105 00:40:31,296 --> 00:40:32,898 be well paid, no tax. 1106 00:40:33,765 --> 00:40:34,966 Couldn't be better. 1107 00:40:38,003 --> 00:40:40,005 TIMOTHY: Everybody in development agrees. 1108 00:40:40,005 --> 00:40:41,773 Everybody knows the system doesn't work. 1109 00:40:41,773 --> 00:40:43,642 They don't say it in public, 1110 00:40:43,642 --> 00:40:44,743 but when you sit down 1111 00:40:44,743 --> 00:40:45,844 and have beers with somebody, 1112 00:40:45,844 --> 00:40:47,579 or you sit down in a meal, 1113 00:40:47,579 --> 00:40:48,880 we all say the same thing, 1114 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,616 the system is broke and it's not working. 1115 00:40:50,616 --> 00:40:52,083 It's not happening like it's supposed to be. 1116 00:40:52,083 --> 00:40:53,919 And everybody-- 1117 00:40:53,919 --> 00:40:55,754 some people get very emotional about it. 1118 00:40:55,754 --> 00:40:57,923 Everybody in development knows this is--this-- 1119 00:40:57,923 --> 00:41:00,225 there's something rotten. 1120 00:41:00,225 --> 00:41:01,459 They know. 1121 00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:02,761 We don't have to say anything 1122 00:41:02,761 --> 00:41:04,496 that everybody else doesn't know. 1123 00:41:04,496 --> 00:41:07,265 ( music playing ) 1124 00:41:07,265 --> 00:41:08,466 NARRATOR: What began as a plan 1125 00:41:08,466 --> 00:41:09,701 to jumpstart economies 1126 00:41:09,701 --> 00:41:11,336 and promote development 1127 00:41:11,336 --> 00:41:12,804 has, over time, 1128 00:41:12,804 --> 00:41:14,640 developed into a complex system 1129 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,408 of global humanitarianism. 1130 00:41:17,408 --> 00:41:19,845 The system includes everything from governments 1131 00:41:19,845 --> 00:41:22,180 and multinational corporations 1132 00:41:22,180 --> 00:41:24,816 to aid agencies, NGOs, 1133 00:41:24,816 --> 00:41:26,852 charities, celebrities, 1134 00:41:26,852 --> 00:41:28,754 and social entrepreneurs. 1135 00:41:29,855 --> 00:41:31,256 The goal is to help, 1136 00:41:31,256 --> 00:41:33,491 but the incentives and the interplay 1137 00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:35,126 of these different components 1138 00:41:35,126 --> 00:41:36,394 ended up creating 1139 00:41:36,394 --> 00:41:38,697 a global poverty industry. 1140 00:41:40,131 --> 00:41:42,000 Perhaps the best way to understandit 1141 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,536 is through what one of the founders of sociology, 1142 00:41:44,536 --> 00:41:46,171 French sociologist, 1143 00:41:46,171 --> 00:41:47,573 Emile Durkheim 1144 00:41:47,573 --> 00:41:49,541 called a social fact, 1145 00:41:49,541 --> 00:41:50,742 a broad tapestry 1146 00:41:50,742 --> 00:41:52,343 of norms, assumptions, 1147 00:41:52,343 --> 00:41:54,846 and social and economic institutions 1148 00:41:54,846 --> 00:41:57,515 that transcend any one individual 1149 00:41:57,515 --> 00:41:59,618 or organization. 1150 00:42:02,721 --> 00:42:04,522 The social fact puts constraints 1151 00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,224 on how we think and act, 1152 00:42:06,224 --> 00:42:09,194 leading us to take many things for granted. 1153 00:42:09,194 --> 00:42:10,495 It becomes simply 1154 00:42:10,495 --> 00:42:12,898 the way things are done. 1155 00:42:12,898 --> 00:42:15,233 This doesn't mean there is never innovation 1156 00:42:15,233 --> 00:42:17,268 or attempts to fix the system. 1157 00:42:17,268 --> 00:42:18,536 People are always coming up 1158 00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:19,738 with creative ideas 1159 00:42:19,738 --> 00:42:21,172 and approaches. 1160 00:42:21,172 --> 00:42:23,875 The trouble is that most of the innovation 1161 00:42:23,875 --> 00:42:26,712 takes place within the assumptions, beliefs, 1162 00:42:26,712 --> 00:42:29,948 and values of the social fact. 1163 00:42:29,948 --> 00:42:31,850 At its core, the social fact 1164 00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:34,586 situates the poor as the other, 1165 00:42:34,586 --> 00:42:36,021 as objects of charity 1166 00:42:36,021 --> 00:42:38,289 rather than as the subjects, 1167 00:42:38,289 --> 00:42:40,191 the active protagonists, 1168 00:42:40,191 --> 00:42:41,292 in their own story 1169 00:42:41,292 --> 00:42:43,561 of development. 1170 00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:45,430 People have the internal capacity 1171 00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:47,198 to rise out of poverty, 1172 00:42:47,198 --> 00:42:48,466 but they do so only 1173 00:42:48,466 --> 00:42:49,935 when they have certain key things 1174 00:42:49,935 --> 00:42:52,303 many of us take for granted, 1175 00:42:52,303 --> 00:42:53,404 like legal protection 1176 00:42:53,404 --> 00:42:55,473 from theft and violence, 1177 00:42:55,473 --> 00:42:57,408 justice in the courts, 1178 00:42:57,408 --> 00:42:58,576 the ability to get title 1179 00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:00,145 to one's land, 1180 00:43:00,145 --> 00:43:01,246 freedom to start 1181 00:43:01,246 --> 00:43:02,948 and register a business, 1182 00:43:02,948 --> 00:43:04,549 and links to wider circles 1183 00:43:04,549 --> 00:43:06,351 of exchange. 1184 00:43:06,351 --> 00:43:07,452 The difficulty is that 1185 00:43:07,452 --> 00:43:09,320 this ladder to prosperity 1186 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,856 is missing in many places 1187 00:43:10,856 --> 00:43:12,290 around the world 1188 00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:13,659 and the current system 1189 00:43:13,659 --> 00:43:15,694 creates incentives for governments, 1190 00:43:15,694 --> 00:43:17,162 not to build it. 1191 00:43:19,297 --> 00:43:21,532 MICHAEL: Whenever you have an aid agreement, 1192 00:43:21,532 --> 00:43:24,703 those consultants come into the country 1193 00:43:24,703 --> 00:43:26,304 and they don't work for the country, 1194 00:43:26,304 --> 00:43:28,907 they work for the foreign aid establishment. 1195 00:43:28,907 --> 00:43:30,175 And so what you find 1196 00:43:30,175 --> 00:43:33,344 is that the aid establishment severs 1197 00:43:33,344 --> 00:43:35,446 the link between the leader 1198 00:43:35,446 --> 00:43:37,783 of a country and his people, 1199 00:43:37,783 --> 00:43:39,617 because you've got all these consultants 1200 00:43:39,617 --> 00:43:41,820 running around doing their thing, 1201 00:43:42,821 --> 00:43:44,656 purportedly to work for the people, 1202 00:43:44,656 --> 00:43:46,524 but in reality their masters 1203 00:43:46,524 --> 00:43:49,260 are in Washington and Tokyo 1204 00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:50,896 and London and Paris. 1205 00:43:50,896 --> 00:43:52,397 So that's what part 1206 00:43:52,397 --> 00:43:54,565 of what's broken with aid. 1207 00:43:54,565 --> 00:43:56,768 NARRATOR: Poor people have become the clients 1208 00:43:56,768 --> 00:43:59,604 of a vast global poverty industry. 1209 00:43:59,604 --> 00:44:01,006 If they climb out of poverty, 1210 00:44:01,006 --> 00:44:03,709 the industry becomes obsolete. 1211 00:44:03,709 --> 00:44:04,843 So a question we need 1212 00:44:04,843 --> 00:44:07,345 to ask ourselves is this, 1213 00:44:07,345 --> 00:44:08,479 who benefits the most 1214 00:44:08,479 --> 00:44:09,547 from the way things 1215 00:44:09,547 --> 00:44:11,049 are currently set up, 1216 00:44:11,049 --> 00:44:13,018 the people we are trying to help 1217 00:44:13,018 --> 00:44:14,085 or the people who work 1218 00:44:14,085 --> 00:44:15,787 in the poverty industry? 1219 00:44:17,956 --> 00:44:21,092 ( vehicle honking ) 1220 00:44:30,969 --> 00:44:33,038 EVA: When I was growing up, 1221 00:44:33,038 --> 00:44:35,273 we didn't have second-hand clothing 1222 00:44:35,273 --> 00:44:37,542 from Europe and the U.S. and Canada. 1223 00:44:37,542 --> 00:44:39,210 In Kenya, 1224 00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:41,412 my mother took me to a store 1225 00:44:41,412 --> 00:44:44,049 and she bought me a beautiful T-shirt 1226 00:44:44,049 --> 00:44:46,284 that said, "Made in Kenya. 1227 00:44:46,284 --> 00:44:47,753 Kenya Cotton." 1228 00:44:47,753 --> 00:44:49,287 Today, 1229 00:44:49,287 --> 00:44:51,089 I would struggle to find a T-shirt 1230 00:44:51,089 --> 00:44:53,024 like that for my daughter. 1231 00:44:53,024 --> 00:44:54,760 Why? Because the influx 1232 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,361 of second-hand clothing 1233 00:44:56,361 --> 00:44:58,196 that makes its way here 1234 00:44:58,196 --> 00:45:00,631 from Europe and the U.S. and Canada 1235 00:45:00,631 --> 00:45:02,667 has negatively impacted 1236 00:45:02,667 --> 00:45:05,203 on our textile industry 1237 00:45:05,203 --> 00:45:06,271 in Kenya. 1238 00:45:06,271 --> 00:45:08,339 Massive layoffs in the '80s 1239 00:45:08,339 --> 00:45:10,041 and the '90s, 1240 00:45:10,041 --> 00:45:13,044 factories that shut down. 1241 00:45:13,044 --> 00:45:16,147 What happened to our cotton farms? 1242 00:45:16,147 --> 00:45:18,549 When I was growing up in this country, 1243 00:45:18,549 --> 00:45:20,451 we could have bought cotton 1244 00:45:20,451 --> 00:45:23,621 in varieties and types 1245 00:45:23,621 --> 00:45:25,123 that are incomparable, 1246 00:45:25,123 --> 00:45:26,792 but that's all gone 1247 00:45:26,792 --> 00:45:28,026 because of the impact, 1248 00:45:28,026 --> 00:45:29,627 the negative impact, 1249 00:45:29,627 --> 00:45:31,897 of the apparel imports 1250 00:45:31,897 --> 00:45:33,098 at a second-hand level. 1251 00:45:38,536 --> 00:45:40,772 PETER: Growing up, the model that I saw 1252 00:45:40,772 --> 00:45:41,973 was this model that we would have 1253 00:45:41,973 --> 00:45:43,408 a shoe driveat church 1254 00:45:43,408 --> 00:45:45,210 and we'd all give our excess shoes 1255 00:45:45,210 --> 00:45:46,845 and then our shoes, we never knew what happened, 1256 00:45:46,845 --> 00:45:48,980 but we knew that we were responding 1257 00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:51,316 to this desire that we had to help the poor, 1258 00:45:51,316 --> 00:45:52,283 the vulnerable. 1259 00:45:52,283 --> 00:45:54,519 What I experienced living overseas, 1260 00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:55,954 especially in Rwanda 1261 00:45:55,954 --> 00:45:58,089 was the end of the story. 1262 00:45:58,089 --> 00:45:59,624 The collection, in some ways, 1263 00:45:59,624 --> 00:46:00,992 is the easy part. 1264 00:46:00,992 --> 00:46:02,593 The distribution is where there are 1265 00:46:02,593 --> 00:46:04,062 a lot of complications. 1266 00:46:04,062 --> 00:46:05,363 And I had my eyes opened to this 1267 00:46:05,363 --> 00:46:06,798 through a friendship with Jean. 1268 00:46:06,798 --> 00:46:08,834 And Jean was a friend in Rwanda, 1269 00:46:08,834 --> 00:46:10,168 and he told me the story 1270 00:46:10,168 --> 00:46:12,070 that after the Rwandan genocide, 1271 00:46:12,070 --> 00:46:14,605 that he had a church from Atlanta 1272 00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:16,908 that started sending over eggs 1273 00:46:16,908 --> 00:46:19,310 and ended up just distributing eggs 1274 00:46:19,310 --> 00:46:21,612 in this small community outside of Kigali. 1275 00:46:21,612 --> 00:46:23,949 And that seems like a great thing to do, right? 1276 00:46:23,949 --> 00:46:25,416 The church wanted to help 1277 00:46:25,416 --> 00:46:27,252 after the genocide. 1278 00:46:27,252 --> 00:46:29,087 But Jono, a few years before, 1279 00:46:29,087 --> 00:46:31,857 had started a small egg business himself. 1280 00:46:31,857 --> 00:46:33,624 He put this investment in all 1281 00:46:33,624 --> 00:46:34,725 the materials that he needed 1282 00:46:34,725 --> 00:46:36,494 to start this egg business. 1283 00:46:36,494 --> 00:46:38,163 His business was starting to grow, 1284 00:46:38,163 --> 00:46:39,998 it was starting to take off, 1285 00:46:39,998 --> 00:46:42,433 and then all of a sudden in one summer, 1286 00:46:42,433 --> 00:46:44,435 there become this surplus of eggs 1287 00:46:44,435 --> 00:46:47,438 that were flooding the market in his area, 1288 00:46:47,438 --> 00:46:49,707 and so this desire that the church had 1289 00:46:49,707 --> 00:46:51,809 to really take care of a need, 1290 00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:53,178 it did take care of a need, 1291 00:46:53,178 --> 00:46:54,345 but the problem is that 1292 00:46:54,345 --> 00:46:55,881 it put Jono out of business. 1293 00:46:55,881 --> 00:46:57,748 He ended up selling his hens, 1294 00:46:57,748 --> 00:46:59,817 and then the next year, the church decided 1295 00:46:59,817 --> 00:47:01,219 to focus its attention 1296 00:47:01,219 --> 00:47:03,154 to somewhere else in the world. 1297 00:47:03,154 --> 00:47:04,389 Jono was out of business. 1298 00:47:04,389 --> 00:47:06,457 No one else was there providing eggs, 1299 00:47:06,457 --> 00:47:08,593 and so they had to bring the eggs in 1300 00:47:08,593 --> 00:47:10,128 from another community. 1301 00:47:10,128 --> 00:47:13,031 So this desire to help in that community, 1302 00:47:13,031 --> 00:47:14,365 according to Jono, 1303 00:47:14,365 --> 00:47:17,168 actually had a long-term negative impact 1304 00:47:17,168 --> 00:47:18,369 on that community. 1305 00:47:27,378 --> 00:47:29,380 MICHAEL: If you go to an aid conference now, 1306 00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:31,016 as opposed to 20 years ago, and say, 1307 00:47:31,016 --> 00:47:32,918 "How many people are involved with charities?" 1308 00:47:32,918 --> 00:47:34,219 Nobody raises their hand, 1309 00:47:34,219 --> 00:47:36,487 because charity has become a bad word, 1310 00:47:36,487 --> 00:47:39,390 so they call themselves social entrepreneurs. 1311 00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:43,261 NARRATOR: A recent trend in development 1312 00:47:43,261 --> 00:47:44,896 has been the increasing popularity 1313 00:47:44,896 --> 00:47:46,965 of social entrepreneurship, 1314 00:47:46,965 --> 00:47:48,733 which applies business models 1315 00:47:48,733 --> 00:47:50,335 to pressing social problems. 1316 00:47:50,335 --> 00:47:52,237 One of the leaders and most recognized 1317 00:47:52,237 --> 00:47:53,905 social entrepreneurs 1318 00:47:53,905 --> 00:47:55,340 is Blake Mycoskie, 1319 00:47:55,340 --> 00:47:57,308 the founder of TOMS Shoes. 1320 00:47:58,843 --> 00:48:01,812 ( music playing ) 1321 00:48:01,812 --> 00:48:03,814 BLAKE:About 15 months ago, 1322 00:48:03,814 --> 00:48:05,016 I was 1323 00:48:05,016 --> 00:48:07,185 down in Argentina on vacation, 1324 00:48:07,185 --> 00:48:09,154 actually trying to learn to play polo. 1325 00:48:09,154 --> 00:48:10,355 When I was down there, 1326 00:48:10,355 --> 00:48:12,857 I noticed that a lot of the polo players 1327 00:48:12,857 --> 00:48:14,792 and a lot of their girlfriends and wives 1328 00:48:14,792 --> 00:48:17,128 wore this shoe called the Alpargatas. 1329 00:48:17,128 --> 00:48:19,197 And the Alpargatas is very much like 1330 00:48:19,197 --> 00:48:20,265 the current TOMS shoe, 1331 00:48:20,265 --> 00:48:22,267 but instead it had a rope sole 1332 00:48:22,267 --> 00:48:24,102 and just came in like navy, 1333 00:48:24,102 --> 00:48:25,770 black, and maroon. 1334 00:48:25,770 --> 00:48:27,038 But everyone wore them around 1335 00:48:27,038 --> 00:48:29,007 and it was very kind of trendy and chic 1336 00:48:29,007 --> 00:48:31,109 to wear these to the bars at night 1337 00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:33,144 or to the-- to the shopping mall 1338 00:48:33,144 --> 00:48:34,412 or to the beach. 1339 00:48:34,412 --> 00:48:35,913 So, kind of seeing 1340 00:48:35,913 --> 00:48:37,482 this new cool shoe that all these people 1341 00:48:37,482 --> 00:48:39,384 were wearing in Argentina that I've never seen 1342 00:48:39,384 --> 00:48:41,119 and seeing lots of kids without shoes, 1343 00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:42,187 I came up with the idea 1344 00:48:42,187 --> 00:48:43,888 to start TOMS Shoes. 1345 00:48:43,888 --> 00:48:45,190 I said to my friend, you know, 1346 00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:47,758 "What if we took this original Argentine shoe, 1347 00:48:47,758 --> 00:48:49,260 "redesign it, you made it, 1348 00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:50,695 "you know, chic and cool 1349 00:48:50,695 --> 00:48:52,463 "and fun patterns, 1350 00:48:52,463 --> 00:48:53,531 "and sold it in fun, 1351 00:48:53,531 --> 00:48:55,033 "you know, good stores in the United States, 1352 00:48:55,033 --> 00:48:56,367 "and every time I sell a pair, 1353 00:48:56,367 --> 00:48:58,203 "we would give a pair back to these children 1354 00:48:58,203 --> 00:48:59,304 who don't have shoes." 1355 00:48:59,304 --> 00:49:02,440 ( speaking in Spanish ) 1356 00:49:08,946 --> 00:49:10,115 When I was at the SEVEN Fund, 1357 00:49:10,115 --> 00:49:12,317 we actually gave TOMS a prize 1358 00:49:12,317 --> 00:49:14,285 for a movie they made about their system, 1359 00:49:14,285 --> 00:49:15,486 about their idea with the-- 1360 00:49:15,486 --> 00:49:17,055 with the shoes and everything, 1361 00:49:17,055 --> 00:49:18,756 and at the time, I actually also thought 1362 00:49:18,756 --> 00:49:21,259 this was a great idea. 1363 00:49:21,259 --> 00:49:23,661 The basic principle of TOMS Shoes 1364 00:49:23,661 --> 00:49:25,330 is called one for one. 1365 00:49:25,330 --> 00:49:27,898 He produces the shoes when you buy one here 1366 00:49:27,898 --> 00:49:29,367 at a marked-up price, 1367 00:49:29,367 --> 00:49:30,935 at the same time one pair of shoes 1368 00:49:30,935 --> 00:49:33,171 is sent over back into the developing world 1369 00:49:33,171 --> 00:49:34,572 and given to a poor child. 1370 00:49:34,572 --> 00:49:37,375 The unintended consequence of this 1371 00:49:37,375 --> 00:49:38,576 is that, of course, there is 1372 00:49:38,576 --> 00:49:40,878 a local cobbler there as well 1373 00:49:40,878 --> 00:49:41,946 who actually makes shoes 1374 00:49:41,946 --> 00:49:43,681 and sells them. 1375 00:49:43,681 --> 00:49:45,750 Can you imagine what happened to that guy 1376 00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:46,884 the day the truck shows up 1377 00:49:46,884 --> 00:49:48,553 with TOMS Shoes on them? 1378 00:49:48,553 --> 00:49:50,421 Why would you go buy something that's for free? 1379 00:49:51,822 --> 00:49:54,359 And then to add to this complex situation, 1380 00:49:54,359 --> 00:49:56,961 that truck doesn't show up all the time. 1381 00:49:56,961 --> 00:49:58,663 Our donations have 1382 00:49:58,663 --> 00:50:00,431 an unpredictable impact 1383 00:50:00,431 --> 00:50:01,932 on the local economy, 1384 00:50:01,932 --> 00:50:04,369 and that wreaks havoc on a lot of businesses, 1385 00:50:04,369 --> 00:50:07,038 especially small and medium-sized businesses. 1386 00:50:08,406 --> 00:50:09,774 DANIEL: TOMS Shoes, they found 1387 00:50:09,774 --> 00:50:12,110 the right model that, 1388 00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:14,212 I don't want to say exploits, 1389 00:50:14,212 --> 00:50:17,182 but capture this 1390 00:50:17,182 --> 00:50:18,349 love of people 1391 00:50:18,349 --> 00:50:19,717 who want to be generous 1392 00:50:19,717 --> 00:50:21,719 and helpful 1393 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:22,887 and they combine that 1394 00:50:22,887 --> 00:50:25,022 tosome kind of NGO model 1395 00:50:25,022 --> 00:50:26,857 to keep dumping 1396 00:50:26,857 --> 00:50:28,526 free stuff on the market. 1397 00:50:28,526 --> 00:50:30,295 MAN: Okay. Blake is also trying 1398 00:50:30,295 --> 00:50:31,362 to do some new things. 1399 00:50:31,362 --> 00:50:32,863 He has been criticized for, 1400 00:50:32,863 --> 00:50:34,232 you know, sending shoes. 1401 00:50:34,232 --> 00:50:35,733 So he's trying to develop factories 1402 00:50:35,733 --> 00:50:37,235 in local places 1403 00:50:37,235 --> 00:50:39,737 where now instead of just giving it away, 1404 00:50:39,737 --> 00:50:42,039 they are at least producing it in those countries. 1405 00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:44,075 What do you think about that? 1406 00:50:44,075 --> 00:50:46,043 Well, 1407 00:50:46,043 --> 00:50:47,112 that's good. 1408 00:50:47,112 --> 00:50:48,413 At least he listens. 1409 00:50:48,413 --> 00:50:50,515 At least they made those factories 1410 00:50:50,515 --> 00:50:52,550 in countries where they produce 1411 00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:55,253 some jobs, they pay some taxes. 1412 00:50:56,487 --> 00:50:57,755 ANDREAS: Would I give that company 1413 00:50:57,755 --> 00:50:58,823 the prize again today? 1414 00:51:00,791 --> 00:51:01,992 We've all learned a lot 1415 00:51:01,992 --> 00:51:03,128 in the meantime. 1416 00:51:03,128 --> 00:51:04,362 TOMS Shoes has learned a lot. 1417 00:51:04,362 --> 00:51:05,696 I have learned a lot. 1418 00:51:05,696 --> 00:51:07,198 With hindsight, 1419 00:51:07,198 --> 00:51:09,066 I would love to have 1420 00:51:09,066 --> 00:51:10,268 given him the prize 1421 00:51:10,268 --> 00:51:11,402 and invite more people 1422 00:51:11,402 --> 00:51:13,104 to bring ideas into this, 1423 00:51:13,104 --> 00:51:14,405 especially people from-- 1424 00:51:14,405 --> 00:51:15,940 who are actually going to be affected 1425 00:51:15,940 --> 00:51:17,675 by these shoe giveaways. 1426 00:51:18,976 --> 00:51:20,111 When you have a company 1427 00:51:20,111 --> 00:51:21,612 like TOMS come in 1428 00:51:21,612 --> 00:51:23,414 and try to be innovative, 1429 00:51:23,414 --> 00:51:24,749 the downfall of this 1430 00:51:24,749 --> 00:51:26,984 is that they're trying to be innovative 1431 00:51:26,984 --> 00:51:28,353 yet they accept 1432 00:51:28,353 --> 00:51:29,987 the given framework. 1433 00:51:29,987 --> 00:51:31,088 With that framework 1434 00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:33,090 that is actually harmful, 1435 00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:34,659 if TOMS is successful, 1436 00:51:34,659 --> 00:51:37,128 they're making a harmful system 1437 00:51:37,128 --> 00:51:39,130 more effectively harmful. 1438 00:51:40,731 --> 00:51:41,866 Okay. Watch this. 1439 00:51:46,237 --> 00:51:48,173 BLAKE: What if I started a shoe company 1440 00:51:48,173 --> 00:51:50,107 and every time I sold a pair of shoes 1441 00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:51,809 I gave a pair away? 1442 00:51:51,809 --> 00:51:53,911 In that way, if as long as I continue 1443 00:51:53,911 --> 00:51:55,913 to keep selling shoes, these kids will have shoes 1444 00:51:55,913 --> 00:51:57,515 for the rest of their life. 1445 00:52:06,056 --> 00:52:07,492 Okay. What do you think about that? 1446 00:52:08,693 --> 00:52:09,727 Look 1447 00:52:10,795 --> 00:52:11,796 it's-- 1448 00:52:13,331 --> 00:52:15,833 there's no word to describe this. 1449 00:52:15,833 --> 00:52:18,303 Saying that he's going to supply shoes 1450 00:52:18,303 --> 00:52:19,370 for people for the rest 1451 00:52:19,370 --> 00:52:20,571 of his life 1452 00:52:21,739 --> 00:52:24,309 is implying 1453 00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:25,643 that he would want people 1454 00:52:25,643 --> 00:52:28,112 to stay without shoes 1455 00:52:28,112 --> 00:52:29,214 for their life 1456 00:52:29,214 --> 00:52:30,815 so he can give them shoes. 1457 00:52:32,350 --> 00:52:34,485 People don't want to be receiving things 1458 00:52:34,485 --> 00:52:36,387 for free for all of their lives 1459 00:52:36,387 --> 00:52:38,823 like he says he wants to do it. 1460 00:52:38,823 --> 00:52:41,459 No one in Haiti 1461 00:52:41,459 --> 00:52:44,161 wants to be a beggar for life. 1462 00:52:45,930 --> 00:52:47,765 It just doesn't make any sense. 1463 00:52:49,166 --> 00:52:50,335 You know what the poor people-- 1464 00:52:50,335 --> 00:52:52,169 they get? 1465 00:52:52,169 --> 00:52:53,804 A poor image. 1466 00:53:01,812 --> 00:53:03,414 The first thing that I would say to those 1467 00:53:03,414 --> 00:53:06,050 who say that we must come and give, 1468 00:53:06,050 --> 00:53:08,853 otherwise, these people are incapable of 1469 00:53:10,321 --> 00:53:11,389 improving their situation 1470 00:53:11,389 --> 00:53:12,857 and getting out of their poverty 1471 00:53:12,857 --> 00:53:14,825 is to ask them why. 1472 00:53:14,825 --> 00:53:15,860 Why do you think that? 1473 00:53:15,860 --> 00:53:19,230 Why are these people uniquely unable 1474 00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:20,498 to get out of their poverty? 1475 00:53:20,498 --> 00:53:21,866 Are you actually saying 1476 00:53:21,866 --> 00:53:25,336 that they're in some sense inferior beings? 1477 00:53:25,336 --> 00:53:28,172 Are they different from us? 1478 00:53:28,172 --> 00:53:30,007 Can they not think for themselves? 1479 00:53:30,007 --> 00:53:31,676 Is there not evidence, in fact, 1480 00:53:31,676 --> 00:53:33,744 that when given the opportunity, 1481 00:53:33,744 --> 00:53:35,313 they do, in fact, 1482 00:53:35,313 --> 00:53:37,248 get out of poverty themselves? 1483 00:53:38,349 --> 00:53:40,351 And secondly, I would say that, 1484 00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:43,354 actually what you need to do is live 1485 00:53:43,354 --> 00:53:44,855 in the country for 1486 00:53:44,855 --> 00:53:46,424 two or three years, 1487 00:53:46,424 --> 00:53:48,359 not just fly in, 1488 00:53:48,359 --> 00:53:49,994 say, "My God, isn't it terrible? 1489 00:53:49,994 --> 00:53:51,195 "You know, 1490 00:53:51,195 --> 00:53:52,263 "All those babies 1491 00:53:52,263 --> 00:53:54,432 "with, you know, bloated stomachs 1492 00:53:54,432 --> 00:53:55,566 the next morning." 1493 00:53:55,566 --> 00:53:57,201 No doubt, it is terrible, 1494 00:53:57,201 --> 00:54:00,170 but compassion is not simply 1495 00:54:00,170 --> 00:54:02,573 vehement expression 1496 00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:05,142 of a point of view. 1497 00:54:05,142 --> 00:54:06,811 And that 1498 00:54:06,811 --> 00:54:08,279 the compassionate person 1499 00:54:08,279 --> 00:54:09,880 has to consider 1500 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,181 the practical effects 1501 00:54:11,181 --> 00:54:12,983 of what he is proposing. 1502 00:54:14,419 --> 00:54:17,555 ( singing in foreign language ) 1503 00:54:24,995 --> 00:54:26,397 CORRIGAN: My name is Corrigan Clay, 1504 00:54:26,397 --> 00:54:27,965 and my wife Shelley and I 1505 00:54:27,965 --> 00:54:30,100 moved to Haiti in 2008 1506 00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:31,436 to adopt a child, 1507 00:54:31,436 --> 00:54:32,737 and we were thinking at the time 1508 00:54:32,737 --> 00:54:34,138 that we would probably start up 1509 00:54:34,138 --> 00:54:36,307 an orphanage also. 1510 00:54:36,307 --> 00:54:37,808 I saw a picture of a little Haitian kid 1511 00:54:37,808 --> 00:54:38,976 on the internet 1512 00:54:38,976 --> 00:54:40,077 and fell in love with 1513 00:54:40,077 --> 00:54:42,246 the idea of Haiti 1514 00:54:42,246 --> 00:54:43,681 and a child from an orphanage 1515 00:54:43,681 --> 00:54:46,384 and being able to give a parentless child 1516 00:54:46,384 --> 00:54:47,652 a family. 1517 00:54:47,652 --> 00:54:49,186 So, today 1518 00:54:49,186 --> 00:54:50,355 Today 1519 00:54:50,355 --> 00:54:51,522 we met Wilson 1520 00:54:51,522 --> 00:54:53,858 for the first time, 1521 00:54:53,858 --> 00:54:56,126 and he gets to stay with us 1522 00:54:56,126 --> 00:54:58,329 in the hotel 1523 00:54:58,329 --> 00:55:01,131 in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, 1524 00:55:01,131 --> 00:55:03,200 or somewhere near there. 1525 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,301 And 1526 00:55:04,301 --> 00:55:05,836 he's my 1527 00:55:05,836 --> 00:55:07,237 new brother. 1528 00:55:07,237 --> 00:55:08,339 Yeah. 1529 00:55:08,339 --> 00:55:09,974 As we were pursuing adoption, 1530 00:55:09,974 --> 00:55:12,176 the orphanage director had asked us 1531 00:55:12,176 --> 00:55:13,243 if we wanted to meet 1532 00:55:13,243 --> 00:55:14,745 the child's mother, 1533 00:55:14,745 --> 00:55:16,947 and we were kind of surprised 1534 00:55:16,947 --> 00:55:18,349 because the thought was, 1535 00:55:18,349 --> 00:55:20,184 "Well, wasn't he abandoned 1536 00:55:20,184 --> 00:55:21,619 by somebody?" 1537 00:55:21,619 --> 00:55:23,354 Or, "Didn't he lose his parents?" 1538 00:55:23,354 --> 00:55:24,722 That kind of thing. 1539 00:55:24,722 --> 00:55:27,358 The director of the orphanage said 1540 00:55:27,358 --> 00:55:28,459 she comes to visit him 1541 00:55:28,459 --> 00:55:30,395 every couple of weeks. 1542 00:55:30,395 --> 00:55:31,929 I was shocked, and I 1543 00:55:31,929 --> 00:55:33,197 I said, you know, 1544 00:55:33,197 --> 00:55:34,532 "Why does she come and see him?" 1545 00:55:34,532 --> 00:55:35,966 And he said, "Well, she loves him 1546 00:55:35,966 --> 00:55:37,568 and she wants to make sure he's okay, 1547 00:55:37,568 --> 00:55:39,504 and she brings him gifts and things." 1548 00:55:39,504 --> 00:55:41,506 Then when we met her, 1549 00:55:41,506 --> 00:55:43,007 I asked her, you know, 1550 00:55:43,007 --> 00:55:45,109 "Why did you bring him to the orphanage?" 1551 00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:47,645 And she said, "I just didn't have enough money to feed him. 1552 00:55:47,645 --> 00:55:49,013 "I don't have a good place to live. 1553 00:55:49,013 --> 00:55:50,080 "I live in Cite Soleil. 1554 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,882 "There's, like, gangs 1555 00:55:51,882 --> 00:55:52,750 "and violence, 1556 00:55:52,750 --> 00:55:55,252 "and so the orphanage 1557 00:55:55,252 --> 00:55:57,354 was the best solution for him." 1558 00:55:57,354 --> 00:55:58,523 So we asked her, 1559 00:55:58,523 --> 00:56:00,691 "If you would have had a job, 1560 00:56:00,691 --> 00:56:03,461 would you have kept your child?" 1561 00:56:03,461 --> 00:56:05,129 And she said, "Of course I would. 1562 00:56:05,129 --> 00:56:06,196 Yeah." 1563 00:56:06,196 --> 00:56:08,165 And it was like this 1564 00:56:08,165 --> 00:56:09,299 this shock, 1565 00:56:09,299 --> 00:56:11,936 you know, of I'm spending $20,000 1566 00:56:11,936 --> 00:56:14,472 on this adoption 1567 00:56:14,472 --> 00:56:16,441 to be able to raise a child 1568 00:56:16,441 --> 00:56:18,308 that this mother wants. 1569 00:56:18,308 --> 00:56:20,911 And the 1570 00:56:20,911 --> 00:56:22,212 injustice of that 1571 00:56:22,212 --> 00:56:24,048 really took me. 1572 00:56:24,048 --> 00:56:25,650 CORRIGAN: So we began to have conversations 1573 00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:27,818 with the families of these children, 1574 00:56:27,818 --> 00:56:29,787 and with the children themselves, 1575 00:56:29,787 --> 00:56:32,089 and the orphanage we're in, 1576 00:56:32,089 --> 00:56:33,791 there were 24 boys 1577 00:56:33,791 --> 00:56:35,125 that we were taking care of 1578 00:56:35,125 --> 00:56:36,193 at the time. 1579 00:56:36,193 --> 00:56:38,328 Two of them 1580 00:56:38,328 --> 00:56:39,964 did not have 1581 00:56:39,964 --> 00:56:40,998 living parents. 1582 00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:44,935 As we started to learn 1583 00:56:44,935 --> 00:56:46,671 about other orphanages too, 1584 00:56:46,671 --> 00:56:49,440 and ask questions and things, 1585 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,241 we found out that was fairly typical 1586 00:56:51,241 --> 00:56:54,244 that I would say conservatively, 1587 00:56:54,244 --> 00:56:55,446 roughly 80% 1588 00:56:55,446 --> 00:56:57,314 of the kids 1589 00:56:57,314 --> 00:56:58,483 in orphanages in Haiti 1590 00:56:58,483 --> 00:56:59,684 are not true orphans, 1591 00:56:59,684 --> 00:57:01,185 but are poverty orphans. 1592 00:57:01,185 --> 00:57:04,121 ( music playing ) 1593 00:57:12,029 --> 00:57:13,864 TIMOTHY: This is another kind of corruption, 1594 00:57:13,864 --> 00:57:15,733 another kind of destruction of this whole system. 1595 00:57:15,733 --> 00:57:17,434 When I did the research for CARE, 1596 00:57:17,434 --> 00:57:19,303 and I wrote about this in Travesty, 1597 00:57:19,303 --> 00:57:20,705 I couldn't find any orphans 1598 00:57:20,705 --> 00:57:22,973 that didn't have parents, they all had parents. 1599 00:57:22,973 --> 00:57:24,575 And when you really get into it, well of course 1600 00:57:24,575 --> 00:57:25,710 they have parents, because orphan 1601 00:57:25,710 --> 00:57:26,944 is a coveted position. 1602 00:57:26,944 --> 00:57:29,213 It's school, it's books, 1603 00:57:29,213 --> 00:57:30,414 it's maybe even a visa, 1604 00:57:30,414 --> 00:57:31,949 maybe even an adoption. 1605 00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:34,652 But it does perverted things 1606 00:57:34,652 --> 00:57:36,621 at the lower level of the system, you know. 1607 00:57:38,355 --> 00:57:40,457 KENNETH: Some parents, because they cannot 1608 00:57:40,457 --> 00:57:41,592 take care of their child 1609 00:57:41,592 --> 00:57:43,060 and they hear that 1610 00:57:43,060 --> 00:57:44,995 somebody is opening an orphanage 1611 00:57:44,995 --> 00:57:46,296 because some donor 1612 00:57:46,296 --> 00:57:47,632 wants to do good 1613 00:57:47,632 --> 00:57:49,299 and wants to open an orphanage, 1614 00:57:49,299 --> 00:57:50,635 because he hears that children, 1615 00:57:50,635 --> 00:57:52,670 Haitian children are dying 1616 00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:54,138 or suffering. 1617 00:57:54,138 --> 00:57:55,573 The parent would turn 1618 00:57:55,573 --> 00:57:57,808 their own kid to the orphanage 1619 00:57:57,808 --> 00:58:00,010 and would often go visit the kid 1620 00:58:00,010 --> 00:58:01,145 once a month. 1621 00:58:01,145 --> 00:58:02,780 But you have relieved the parent 1622 00:58:02,780 --> 00:58:04,715 of the obligation 1623 00:58:04,715 --> 00:58:06,216 to educate his kid, 1624 00:58:06,216 --> 00:58:08,786 but you've also drained that kid out 1625 00:58:08,786 --> 00:58:10,788 of emotional ties, 1626 00:58:10,788 --> 00:58:12,289 of the love of a mother, 1627 00:58:12,289 --> 00:58:14,124 the respect of a father, 1628 00:58:14,124 --> 00:58:15,425 and that kid growing up 1629 00:58:15,425 --> 00:58:16,727 may not have all that sense 1630 00:58:16,727 --> 00:58:18,328 of responsibility. 1631 00:58:18,328 --> 00:58:19,396 So you are actually 1632 00:58:19,396 --> 00:58:21,732 creating that cycle 1633 00:58:21,732 --> 00:58:23,100 of destruction. 1634 00:58:25,369 --> 00:58:27,905 CORRIGAN: After living in an orphanage for a year 1635 00:58:27,905 --> 00:58:29,506 and getting to know the language 1636 00:58:29,506 --> 00:58:30,808 and the culture and the people 1637 00:58:30,808 --> 00:58:32,810 and really building relationships, 1638 00:58:32,810 --> 00:58:34,144 we began to kind of see 1639 00:58:34,144 --> 00:58:35,713 that the system 1640 00:58:35,713 --> 00:58:37,414 of addressing the needs 1641 00:58:37,414 --> 00:58:38,749 of orphans 1642 00:58:38,749 --> 00:58:40,818 was actually a system 1643 00:58:40,818 --> 00:58:42,620 that was creating orphans. 1644 00:58:43,654 --> 00:58:44,922 The way that 1645 00:58:44,922 --> 00:58:46,490 charitable organizations 1646 00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:48,325 are addressing orphans 1647 00:58:48,325 --> 00:58:49,960 in Haiti is symptomatic 1648 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,630 of a larger belief that says 1649 00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:55,332 these are issues that must be addressed 1650 00:58:55,332 --> 00:58:57,568 versus these are people that must be addressed. 1651 00:58:57,568 --> 00:58:59,570 Issues are addressed institutionally, 1652 00:58:59,570 --> 00:59:00,838 programmatically. 1653 00:59:00,838 --> 00:59:02,106 People are addressed 1654 00:59:02,106 --> 00:59:03,407 in their story, 1655 00:59:03,407 --> 00:59:05,342 in reflexive dialog, 1656 00:59:05,342 --> 00:59:06,877 through questions and listening. 1657 00:59:08,112 --> 00:59:09,680 There was one child in particular 1658 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,616 in the orphanage we worked in that, 1659 00:59:11,616 --> 00:59:13,483 when his adoptive family 1660 00:59:13,483 --> 00:59:14,985 was coming to visit, 1661 00:59:14,985 --> 00:59:16,621 I asked him, "Hey, are you excited? 1662 00:59:16,621 --> 00:59:17,922 I mean, your mom and dad are coming." 1663 00:59:17,922 --> 00:59:20,925 And he goes, "They aren't my mom and dad." 1664 00:59:20,925 --> 00:59:22,392 I said, "Well, I know they're not yet, 1665 00:59:22,392 --> 00:59:24,094 "but they're going to be. They're adopting you. 1666 00:59:24,094 --> 00:59:25,663 They're going to be your family." 1667 00:59:25,663 --> 00:59:27,231 He's like, "No, they're never going to be 1668 00:59:27,231 --> 00:59:28,332 my mom and dad." 1669 00:59:28,332 --> 00:59:29,967 This child is about 14. 1670 00:59:29,967 --> 00:59:31,335 He said, 1671 00:59:31,335 --> 00:59:32,502 "No, my mom and dad are here 1672 00:59:32,502 --> 00:59:33,638 "in Haiti. I know them. 1673 00:59:33,638 --> 00:59:35,706 "My Haitian parents 1674 00:59:35,706 --> 00:59:37,474 "told me that I'm like 1675 00:59:37,474 --> 00:59:38,976 "the special kid in the family, 1676 00:59:38,976 --> 00:59:40,911 "that I get to go to the orphanage. 1677 00:59:40,911 --> 00:59:42,246 "I'm just going to go 1678 00:59:42,246 --> 00:59:43,748 "To the United States with these people, 1679 00:59:43,748 --> 00:59:44,815 but they're not really my family." 1680 00:59:44,815 --> 00:59:45,883 I said, "Well, you know, 1681 00:59:45,883 --> 00:59:48,786 "their expectation is that 1682 00:59:48,786 --> 00:59:50,420 "you're going to be a part of their family, 1683 00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:52,657 "and they'd probably be really hurt to know 1684 00:59:52,657 --> 00:59:53,958 "that you have no intention of really 1685 00:59:53,958 --> 00:59:56,593 "being a part of their family." 1686 00:59:59,329 --> 01:00:02,332 We've adopted two Haitian children, 1687 01:00:02,332 --> 01:00:03,868 Jackson and Ember. 1688 01:00:03,868 --> 01:00:06,570 Ember's mother died after childbirth, 1689 01:00:06,570 --> 01:00:08,839 and Jackson's mother 1690 01:00:08,839 --> 01:00:10,607 abandoned him at the gates of the orphanage. 1691 01:00:10,607 --> 01:00:12,309 She came with him 1692 01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:14,511 and then was supposed to bring back papers 1693 01:00:14,511 --> 01:00:16,613 relinquishing him, but did not. 1694 01:00:16,613 --> 01:00:17,848 This is Jackson right here. 1695 01:00:19,383 --> 01:00:20,484 He's a big boy, 1696 01:00:20,484 --> 01:00:21,786 but when he was, 1697 01:00:21,786 --> 01:00:23,120 when he was in the orphanage, 1698 01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,790 he actually almost died of starvation twice 1699 01:00:25,790 --> 01:00:28,258 because this institutional approach 1700 01:00:28,258 --> 01:00:29,626 at caring for kids, 1701 01:00:29,626 --> 01:00:31,128 they were just plugging him with a bottle 1702 01:00:31,128 --> 01:00:33,530 and they didn't know he was lactose intolerant, 1703 01:00:33,530 --> 01:00:35,666 and so he was throwing up all his food 1704 01:00:35,666 --> 01:00:37,534 and just 1705 01:00:37,534 --> 01:00:38,769 almost died twice. 1706 01:00:38,769 --> 01:00:40,204 He had to go to the hospital. 1707 01:00:40,204 --> 01:00:42,707 And obviously now, he's eating just fine. 1708 01:00:46,844 --> 01:00:48,078 How are you doing, baby? 1709 01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:51,849 We're advocates for adoption. 1710 01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:54,952 It is broken 1711 01:00:54,952 --> 01:00:56,586 and not right 1712 01:00:56,586 --> 01:00:57,888 that a kid would grow up 1713 01:00:57,888 --> 01:00:59,089 without parents. 1714 01:01:00,791 --> 01:01:02,459 That's the very same thing 1715 01:01:02,459 --> 01:01:04,762 that influences us to say, 1716 01:01:04,762 --> 01:01:06,964 don't get involved 1717 01:01:06,964 --> 01:01:08,733 with orphanages and adoption 1718 01:01:08,733 --> 01:01:11,535 that are separating kids from their parents. 1719 01:01:11,535 --> 01:01:12,770 If I was in 1720 01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:14,371 a personal financial crisis 1721 01:01:14,371 --> 01:01:16,306 and I could not feed my child, 1722 01:01:16,306 --> 01:01:18,809 I could no longer pay for their school supplies 1723 01:01:18,809 --> 01:01:20,077 or for them to go to school, 1724 01:01:20,077 --> 01:01:21,411 I didn't have enough money for them 1725 01:01:21,411 --> 01:01:23,513 to ride the bus, whatever, 1726 01:01:23,513 --> 01:01:25,282 and somebody from some other nation 1727 01:01:25,282 --> 01:01:26,383 came in 1728 01:01:26,383 --> 01:01:27,952 and said, 1729 01:01:27,952 --> 01:01:29,619 "Hey, you know what? 1730 01:01:29,619 --> 01:01:31,121 We've got a solution. 1731 01:01:31,121 --> 01:01:32,622 What we'll do is we'll set up 1732 01:01:32,622 --> 01:01:34,224 a house 1733 01:01:34,224 --> 01:01:36,961 where all the kids that have that problem can come live. 1734 01:01:36,961 --> 01:01:39,096 They're not going to be your child anymore. 1735 01:01:39,096 --> 01:01:41,265 You're just going to have to give them to us, 1736 01:01:41,265 --> 01:01:43,700 but we'll make sure they have everything they need," 1737 01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:45,870 is that the solution that you'd want? 1738 01:01:45,870 --> 01:01:49,239 And I think most honest people would say, 1739 01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:51,441 "No, I wanna raise my own child. 1740 01:01:51,441 --> 01:01:53,177 "I just need a job. 1741 01:01:53,177 --> 01:01:54,779 "I need some way to make some money, 1742 01:01:54,779 --> 01:01:56,480 and I'm going to take care of my kid." 1743 01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,217 ( music playing ) 1744 01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:06,957 SHELLY: So we had an intern 1745 01:02:06,957 --> 01:02:08,692 who was there for the summer, 1746 01:02:08,692 --> 01:02:10,795 and she knew what my vision was 1747 01:02:10,795 --> 01:02:12,596 as far as starting 1748 01:02:12,596 --> 01:02:13,630 some sort of artisan thing. 1749 01:02:13,630 --> 01:02:15,132 Because we had a bunch 1750 01:02:15,132 --> 01:02:16,666 of people in our lives and there was about 1751 01:02:16,666 --> 01:02:18,568 four women who had either given their kid up 1752 01:02:18,568 --> 01:02:21,338 for adoption already or who were at risk for that, 1753 01:02:21,338 --> 01:02:22,406 and so she said, 1754 01:02:22,406 --> 01:02:23,540 "Can I invite them over 1755 01:02:23,540 --> 01:02:24,942 "For two days a week and just teach them 1756 01:02:24,942 --> 01:02:26,243 how to make earrings?" 1757 01:02:26,243 --> 01:02:27,778 I was like, "Great. Let's do it." 1758 01:02:27,778 --> 01:02:29,546 Bonjour. 1759 01:02:29,546 --> 01:02:33,083 ( speaking in French ) 1760 01:02:33,083 --> 01:02:34,384 SHELLY: December of 2009, 1761 01:02:34,384 --> 01:02:36,420 we had a fair here in Haiti 1762 01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:38,488 and I think we sold $800 1763 01:02:38,488 --> 01:02:41,358 worth of product, and we were so excited. 1764 01:02:42,860 --> 01:02:44,328 We kept growing and we had about 1765 01:02:44,328 --> 01:02:46,396 probably 16 to 20 artisans working. 1766 01:02:46,396 --> 01:02:47,497 It was in our house, 1767 01:02:47,497 --> 01:02:49,033 in our living room and our garage. 1768 01:02:50,634 --> 01:02:52,002 And then probably 2011, 1769 01:02:52,002 --> 01:02:53,170 we started getting into retail. 1770 01:02:53,170 --> 01:02:54,805 We got involved with designers 1771 01:02:54,805 --> 01:02:56,173 like Donna Karan. 1772 01:02:56,173 --> 01:02:57,574 We've been carried in stores 1773 01:02:57,574 --> 01:02:58,809 like The Gap, Walmart. 1774 01:02:58,809 --> 01:03:01,045 Disney has stuff. 1775 01:03:01,045 --> 01:03:03,881 In 2011, in the month of December, 1776 01:03:03,881 --> 01:03:07,117 we sold $100,000 worth of jewelry. 1777 01:03:07,117 --> 01:03:08,785 We have about 220 people 1778 01:03:08,785 --> 01:03:10,487 right now working. 1779 01:03:10,487 --> 01:03:11,655 My vision 1780 01:03:11,655 --> 01:03:12,890 is a thousand people. 1781 01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:16,060 ( music playing ) 1782 01:03:18,495 --> 01:03:21,398 CORRIGAN: When my family first came to Haiti, 1783 01:03:21,398 --> 01:03:23,233 we had in our savings, 1784 01:03:23,233 --> 01:03:25,569 it was about $35,000. 1785 01:03:25,569 --> 01:03:27,137 I thought 1786 01:03:27,137 --> 01:03:28,906 that we'd start an orphanage 1787 01:03:28,906 --> 01:03:30,107 and then be asking people 1788 01:03:30,107 --> 01:03:31,441 to help us sustain that, 1789 01:03:31,441 --> 01:03:33,577 so it would be this constant 1790 01:03:33,577 --> 01:03:35,445 need for help. 1791 01:03:35,445 --> 01:03:37,114 Because we started a business, 1792 01:03:37,114 --> 01:03:39,516 now the amount that we came with, 1793 01:03:39,516 --> 01:03:42,052 that's the amount that we're averaging 1794 01:03:42,052 --> 01:03:43,921 in income for our artisans 1795 01:03:43,921 --> 01:03:45,322 every month. 1796 01:03:45,322 --> 01:03:47,992 It's not a charitable like gift, 1797 01:03:47,992 --> 01:03:49,726 "Here's a bunch of money every month." 1798 01:03:49,726 --> 01:03:50,794 But it's something that 1799 01:03:50,794 --> 01:03:51,962 they can look at and say, 1800 01:03:51,962 --> 01:03:53,497 "This is mine. I earned it. 1801 01:03:53,497 --> 01:03:55,199 "It's something that I can choose 1802 01:03:55,199 --> 01:03:56,533 "What to do with it, 1803 01:03:56,533 --> 01:03:58,735 "And somebody out there 1804 01:03:58,735 --> 01:04:00,070 "Valued what I did 1805 01:04:00,070 --> 01:04:01,438 and purchased it." 1806 01:04:03,941 --> 01:04:07,878 ( music playing ) 1807 01:04:11,215 --> 01:04:13,483 SHELLY: Makilene is a miracle story for me. 1808 01:04:14,584 --> 01:04:16,320 I was walking home one day 1809 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,255 andwalked up to my gate, 1810 01:04:18,255 --> 01:04:20,590 and there's this woman sitting on the ground in the dirt 1811 01:04:20,590 --> 01:04:21,992 with a baby in her arms. 1812 01:04:22,893 --> 01:04:24,328 She was covered in scabies, 1813 01:04:24,328 --> 01:04:25,795 her baby is covered in scabies. 1814 01:04:25,795 --> 01:04:27,131 They hadn't eaten. 1815 01:04:27,131 --> 01:04:29,033 She came here looking for an orphanage, 1816 01:04:29,033 --> 01:04:30,234 so the last thing I wanted to do 1817 01:04:30,234 --> 01:04:31,468 was send her to an orphanage, 1818 01:04:31,468 --> 01:04:33,470 and I said to her, "You know what? 1819 01:04:33,470 --> 01:04:35,139 "I'm going to make you a deal. 1820 01:04:35,139 --> 01:04:36,974 "Go get all your kids. Come back here, 1821 01:04:36,974 --> 01:04:39,343 "and I'm going to invite you to work with us. 1822 01:04:39,343 --> 01:04:40,544 And I'm gonna just try it." 1823 01:04:41,645 --> 01:04:42,846 Here she is 1824 01:04:42,846 --> 01:04:44,148 in Port-au-Prince with her kids. 1825 01:04:44,148 --> 01:04:46,150 She's not making any money yet, 1826 01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:48,018 so she goes to live in a tent. 1827 01:04:50,787 --> 01:04:54,524 ( speaking in foreign language ) 1828 01:05:09,339 --> 01:05:12,176 SHELLY: Her kids were in a horrible situation, 1829 01:05:12,176 --> 01:05:14,444 but she started to work. 1830 01:05:14,444 --> 01:05:15,845 And she 1831 01:05:15,845 --> 01:05:17,647 is an amazing woman. 1832 01:05:17,647 --> 01:05:19,183 She's an entrepreneur. 1833 01:05:19,183 --> 01:05:20,450 Within about three months, 1834 01:05:20,450 --> 01:05:22,953 she had probably 10 employees of her own. 1835 01:05:24,955 --> 01:05:26,556 She was talking about needing a house, 1836 01:05:26,556 --> 01:05:29,059 and I said, "I don't have money for a house for you, 1837 01:05:29,059 --> 01:05:30,794 "So let's break it down into something 1838 01:05:30,794 --> 01:05:31,996 that you can imagine." 1839 01:05:31,996 --> 01:05:34,631 I said, "If you need $2,000 1840 01:05:34,631 --> 01:05:35,966 for land for your home 1841 01:05:35,966 --> 01:05:38,068 and you're getting $12 on a necklace, 1842 01:05:38,068 --> 01:05:39,536 how many necklaces is that? 1843 01:05:39,536 --> 01:05:42,606 It's less than 200 necklaces." 1844 01:05:42,606 --> 01:05:45,075 And her brain just about exploded. 1845 01:05:45,075 --> 01:05:46,876 I mean, you could see this click in her mind. 1846 01:05:46,876 --> 01:05:48,245 Her eyes opened up 1847 01:05:48,245 --> 01:05:50,747 and she's like, "I can make 200 necklaces. 1848 01:05:50,747 --> 01:05:51,948 That's not a problem." 1849 01:05:51,948 --> 01:05:53,883 And it was about 1850 01:05:53,883 --> 01:05:55,085 six months or something 1851 01:05:55,085 --> 01:05:56,553 and she bought her own property. 1852 01:05:58,755 --> 01:06:02,492 ( speaking in foreign language ) 1853 01:06:09,433 --> 01:06:11,135 SHELLY: She did it herself. 1854 01:06:11,135 --> 01:06:13,070 It's two bedrooms. It's her own. 1855 01:06:13,070 --> 01:06:15,205 She never has to pay rent again. 1856 01:06:15,205 --> 01:06:17,574 And she's now changed her life. 1857 01:06:19,343 --> 01:06:23,280 ( speaking in foreign language ) 1858 01:06:50,974 --> 01:06:52,509 SHELLY: You see mostly men here, 1859 01:06:52,509 --> 01:06:55,279 which a lot of people are surprised about. 1860 01:06:55,279 --> 01:06:56,646 We started out with women, 1861 01:06:56,646 --> 01:06:58,548 trying to do a women's work initiative 1862 01:06:58,548 --> 01:07:00,450 because that's sort of the thing to do, right? 1863 01:07:00,450 --> 01:07:02,986 And, um, we found that fathers 1864 01:07:02,986 --> 01:07:04,688 are parents too, 1865 01:07:04,688 --> 01:07:05,889 and we also found that 1866 01:07:05,889 --> 01:07:07,691 in a family situation, 1867 01:07:07,691 --> 01:07:09,593 if mothers are all that is needed, 1868 01:07:09,593 --> 01:07:11,027 what role is there for a father? 1869 01:07:11,027 --> 01:07:12,829 And that sort of contributes 1870 01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:14,764 to the situation in Haiti 1871 01:07:14,764 --> 01:07:15,999 of fatherlessness. 1872 01:07:15,999 --> 01:07:18,402 Most of the guys here are fathers, 1873 01:07:18,402 --> 01:07:19,603 and they're working 1874 01:07:19,603 --> 01:07:20,937 to take care of their kids. 1875 01:07:20,937 --> 01:07:22,372 He's got a baby on the way. 1876 01:07:22,372 --> 01:07:24,441 He's got two children. He's got a baby. 1877 01:07:24,441 --> 01:07:25,809 You know, and they're all doing a good job 1878 01:07:25,809 --> 01:07:28,912 being fathers to their children right now. 1879 01:07:28,912 --> 01:07:30,080 I think my biggest concern 1880 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,348 in even doing this interview 1881 01:07:31,348 --> 01:07:33,049 is that I don't want to come across 1882 01:07:33,049 --> 01:07:35,285 as critical to those 1883 01:07:35,285 --> 01:07:36,353 who have helped 1884 01:07:36,353 --> 01:07:37,421 and who have tried to help. 1885 01:07:37,421 --> 01:07:39,223 As we grow and we learn 1886 01:07:39,223 --> 01:07:41,358 and we figure things out 1887 01:07:41,358 --> 01:07:43,293 in the same way that I've gone through that journey, 1888 01:07:43,293 --> 01:07:45,595 that there is a better way to help. 1889 01:07:47,164 --> 01:07:49,166 Giving power 1890 01:07:49,166 --> 01:07:50,967 to the parents 1891 01:07:50,967 --> 01:07:52,336 is exponential 1892 01:07:52,336 --> 01:07:54,238 in how many kids you can help. 1893 01:07:54,238 --> 01:07:56,306 I've estimated with 250 employees, 1894 01:07:56,306 --> 01:07:57,907 we're helping at least 1895 01:07:57,907 --> 01:07:59,509 750 children, 1896 01:07:59,509 --> 01:08:01,211 possibly 2,000 people 1897 01:08:01,211 --> 01:08:03,947 if we think they're supporting their whole families. 1898 01:08:03,947 --> 01:08:06,883 I mean, there is no orphanage that can be sustainable 1899 01:08:06,883 --> 01:08:08,618 to take care of 750 children. 1900 01:08:08,618 --> 01:08:10,387 I mean, an orphanage of a hundred kids 1901 01:08:10,387 --> 01:08:11,521 has to have a minimum 1902 01:08:11,521 --> 01:08:13,457 of $400,000 a year, 1903 01:08:13,457 --> 01:08:15,559 and they have to fund-raise for that, 1904 01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:18,162 and they have to pull out their flies-on-child pictures, 1905 01:08:18,162 --> 01:08:19,463 you know, in order to do that, 1906 01:08:19,463 --> 01:08:21,064 which then creates this whole model 1907 01:08:21,064 --> 01:08:23,167 of those poor people, 1908 01:08:23,167 --> 01:08:24,968 those poor, desolate people. 1909 01:08:24,968 --> 01:08:26,035 They're not desolate. 1910 01:08:26,035 --> 01:08:27,204 They have hope. 1911 01:08:27,204 --> 01:08:28,438 They have a way to get out of it. 1912 01:08:28,438 --> 01:08:30,607 There's a way to fix it. 1913 01:08:39,516 --> 01:08:41,851 MUHAMMAD: When I talk about poverty, 1914 01:08:41,851 --> 01:08:43,353 one example 1915 01:08:43,353 --> 01:08:45,989 I like to give 1916 01:08:45,989 --> 01:08:47,224 is the bonsai tree. 1917 01:08:48,425 --> 01:08:50,794 Go and look at the tallest tree 1918 01:08:50,794 --> 01:08:51,861 in the forest 1919 01:08:51,861 --> 01:08:53,163 and pick the best seed 1920 01:08:53,163 --> 01:08:54,731 of the tallest tree 1921 01:08:54,731 --> 01:08:56,966 and plant it in a flower pot. 1922 01:08:56,966 --> 01:08:58,668 You get about a meter high 1923 01:08:58,668 --> 01:09:01,571 or less than a meter high plant. 1924 01:09:01,571 --> 01:09:03,507 So what's wrong with this little one? 1925 01:09:03,507 --> 01:09:05,141 The wrong thing is the 1926 01:09:05,141 --> 01:09:06,576 flower pot. 1927 01:09:06,576 --> 01:09:08,578 If you had planted in the real soil, 1928 01:09:08,578 --> 01:09:10,113 it would be as tall as the tree 1929 01:09:10,113 --> 01:09:12,048 that you saw in the forest. 1930 01:09:12,048 --> 01:09:13,116 Poor people 1931 01:09:13,116 --> 01:09:14,718 are bonsai people. 1932 01:09:14,718 --> 01:09:17,221 Society doesn't provide them the base. 1933 01:09:18,154 --> 01:09:19,223 The laws 1934 01:09:19,223 --> 01:09:20,557 and the institutions 1935 01:09:20,557 --> 01:09:23,260 and the policies do not allow them the base, 1936 01:09:23,260 --> 01:09:24,928 so they remain stunted, 1937 01:09:24,928 --> 01:09:26,930 and we call them poor people. 1938 01:09:30,166 --> 01:09:33,069 JOSHUA: My name is Joshua Omoga 1939 01:09:33,069 --> 01:09:34,304 I'm a businessman, 1940 01:09:35,639 --> 01:09:37,874 operating a shop within Kibera. 1941 01:09:39,976 --> 01:09:41,845 I left my rural area 1942 01:09:41,845 --> 01:09:43,213 to come to Nairobi 1943 01:09:43,213 --> 01:09:44,414 to search for a job 1944 01:09:44,414 --> 01:09:46,750 and better my life. 1945 01:09:46,750 --> 01:09:48,385 I borrowed 1946 01:09:48,385 --> 01:09:50,354 some money from a friend 1947 01:09:50,354 --> 01:09:52,822 and started by selling 1948 01:09:52,822 --> 01:09:54,291 vegetables 1949 01:09:54,291 --> 01:09:55,692 by my doorsteps. 1950 01:09:58,161 --> 01:10:00,297 I live in the same place I work, 1951 01:10:00,297 --> 01:10:02,131 and this place is very small. 1952 01:10:02,131 --> 01:10:03,433 The place is not mine, 1953 01:10:03,433 --> 01:10:05,068 so you cannot expand it. 1954 01:10:05,068 --> 01:10:06,202 It's not easy to 1955 01:10:06,202 --> 01:10:07,471 register the business 1956 01:10:07,471 --> 01:10:10,307 because Kibera has 1957 01:10:10,307 --> 01:10:11,608 temporary structures. 1958 01:10:11,608 --> 01:10:14,744 And the government does not recognize 1959 01:10:14,744 --> 01:10:17,213 temporary structures to be registered. 1960 01:10:17,213 --> 01:10:19,215 So that's the-- one of the challenges 1961 01:10:19,215 --> 01:10:20,350 I am facing. 1962 01:10:20,350 --> 01:10:22,419 For now, I'm saving for my 1963 01:10:22,419 --> 01:10:24,220 son, so that 1964 01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:26,490 when he reaches this, 1965 01:10:26,490 --> 01:10:27,957 the time he is going to start 1966 01:10:27,957 --> 01:10:29,025 his school, 1967 01:10:29,025 --> 01:10:30,260 primary level, 1968 01:10:30,260 --> 01:10:31,461 I'll be having something 1969 01:10:31,461 --> 01:10:32,929 in the account to support 1970 01:10:32,929 --> 01:10:34,631 his education. 1971 01:10:34,631 --> 01:10:36,900 My future plan is to invest 1972 01:10:36,900 --> 01:10:39,035 heavily in my business. 1973 01:10:39,035 --> 01:10:40,704 And 1974 01:10:40,704 --> 01:10:44,274 I'm planning to relocate from Kibera 1975 01:10:44,274 --> 01:10:46,109 to another place, 1976 01:10:46,109 --> 01:10:47,311 where life's 1977 01:10:47,311 --> 01:10:49,579 more better than Kibera 1978 01:10:49,579 --> 01:10:51,648 and register my business. 1979 01:10:53,149 --> 01:10:54,651 PAUL: One careless 1980 01:10:54,651 --> 01:10:56,653 romantic vision of the poor 1981 01:10:56,653 --> 01:10:59,623 is that they are being so exploited 1982 01:10:59,623 --> 01:11:02,158 that they should just be left 1983 01:11:02,158 --> 01:11:05,729 to retreat into self-sufficiency, 1984 01:11:05,729 --> 01:11:08,365 the organic, holistic peasant, 1985 01:11:08,365 --> 01:11:09,566 uncontaminated 1986 01:11:09,566 --> 01:11:11,267 by the dirty business 1987 01:11:11,267 --> 01:11:13,069 of a market economy. 1988 01:11:13,069 --> 01:11:14,538 And of course, that is just 1989 01:11:14,538 --> 01:11:16,340 romantic nonsense. 1990 01:11:16,340 --> 01:11:18,708 People who retreat into subsistence, 1991 01:11:18,708 --> 01:11:20,344 disconnected from the market, 1992 01:11:20,344 --> 01:11:21,411 are poor. 1993 01:11:21,411 --> 01:11:22,612 The only ones who are not 1994 01:11:22,612 --> 01:11:24,548 start off as investment bankers 1995 01:11:24,548 --> 01:11:26,015 and then go and live out 1996 01:11:26,015 --> 01:11:27,183 this romantic fantasy, 1997 01:11:27,183 --> 01:11:28,518 and that's fine for them. 1998 01:11:28,518 --> 01:11:30,320 It's no good for today's poor. 1999 01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:31,421 Today's poor 2000 01:11:31,421 --> 01:11:33,089 need all the connections 2001 01:11:33,089 --> 01:11:35,459 they can get. 2002 01:11:35,459 --> 01:11:37,361 ANDREAS: I'm frustrated with this idea 2003 01:11:37,361 --> 01:11:38,762 that poverty means 2004 01:11:38,762 --> 01:11:41,197 living on one or two dollars a day. 2005 01:11:41,197 --> 01:11:42,666 That is a very 2006 01:11:42,666 --> 01:11:45,301 bad way to state the problem. 2007 01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:46,803 Being poor 2008 01:11:46,803 --> 01:11:48,738 has something to do with being excluded 2009 01:11:48,738 --> 01:11:51,341 from networks of productivity and exchange. 2010 01:11:51,341 --> 01:11:52,809 That means cell phones, 2011 01:11:52,809 --> 01:11:54,043 internet, banks, 2012 01:11:54,043 --> 01:11:55,345 financial systems, 2013 01:11:55,345 --> 01:11:56,846 educational systems. 2014 01:12:02,318 --> 01:12:04,020 CHARLES: I started a small company, 2015 01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:05,389 juice processing, 2016 01:12:05,389 --> 01:12:06,656 based in Ghana, 2017 01:12:06,656 --> 01:12:09,192 selling pineapple juice, 2018 01:12:09,192 --> 01:12:11,528 with four or five workers, 2019 01:12:11,528 --> 01:12:13,530 including myself, 2020 01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:15,732 and I've come to the state where I have 15 workers, 2021 01:12:15,732 --> 01:12:18,402 and at peak season, up to 20 workers. 2022 01:12:18,402 --> 01:12:20,003 We start small, 2023 01:12:20,003 --> 01:12:21,438 tend to want to expand, 2024 01:12:21,438 --> 01:12:23,039 but because you are a young guy 2025 01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:24,874 with no collateral, 2026 01:12:24,874 --> 01:12:27,377 no landed property, as they call it, 2027 01:12:27,377 --> 01:12:30,146 you cannot access any facility or loan. 2028 01:12:30,146 --> 01:12:32,916 And you want to do business in Ghana, it's frustrating. 2029 01:12:32,916 --> 01:12:34,551 At this stage, it's more difficult 2030 01:12:34,551 --> 01:12:36,386 because you can't move to the middle state 2031 01:12:36,386 --> 01:12:38,588 that you really, really can make some money. 2032 01:12:38,588 --> 01:12:40,424 Because like, you need to access 2033 01:12:40,424 --> 01:12:42,191 sizeable amounts of money, 2034 01:12:42,191 --> 01:12:43,593 which family cannot get, 2035 01:12:43,593 --> 01:12:44,961 our friends cannot get, 2036 01:12:44,961 --> 01:12:46,730 and you have to pay those interest rates, 2037 01:12:46,730 --> 01:12:49,232 it will kill your business. 2038 01:12:49,232 --> 01:12:50,366 We're looking about 2039 01:12:50,366 --> 01:12:52,436 six to ten percent monthly. 2040 01:12:53,503 --> 01:12:55,304 That's about 72% 2041 01:12:55,304 --> 01:12:58,207 to 120% annually 2042 01:12:58,207 --> 01:12:59,943 of interest rate. 2043 01:12:59,943 --> 01:13:01,310 There is no business 2044 01:13:01,310 --> 01:13:02,712 that can make such profit 2045 01:13:02,712 --> 01:13:04,481 that you can pay off your loan 2046 01:13:05,348 --> 01:13:06,750 with such interest. 2047 01:13:09,085 --> 01:13:10,153 In Ghana, we have 2048 01:13:10,153 --> 01:13:11,354 small-scaled, 2049 01:13:11,354 --> 01:13:13,156 small micro-financing companies 2050 01:13:13,156 --> 01:13:14,223 that will tend to lend out 2051 01:13:14,223 --> 01:13:16,392 to market-women, small shops. 2052 01:13:16,392 --> 01:13:17,927 That micro-financing companies, 2053 01:13:17,927 --> 01:13:20,263 we have a lot of them in the system. 2054 01:13:20,263 --> 01:13:21,698 Then we have the big banks 2055 01:13:21,698 --> 01:13:24,100 who tend to lend out to big companies. 2056 01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:25,368 So, there's a gap. 2057 01:13:25,368 --> 01:13:28,071 There's a gap between the small 2058 01:13:28,071 --> 01:13:29,773 and the large scale 2059 01:13:29,773 --> 01:13:31,941 big companies. But in between them, 2060 01:13:31,941 --> 01:13:33,543 we don't have those who want to lend out 2061 01:13:33,543 --> 01:13:35,612 to the SMEs. 2062 01:13:35,612 --> 01:13:37,581 They put all the papers around like, 2063 01:13:37,581 --> 01:13:39,282 "SMEs, come for loan" you go there, 2064 01:13:39,282 --> 01:13:40,484 they don't give it to you. 2065 01:13:42,051 --> 01:13:43,252 The process 2066 01:13:43,252 --> 01:13:45,088 is so long. 2067 01:13:45,088 --> 01:13:47,857 Plus you're definitely not going to get it 2068 01:13:47,857 --> 01:13:50,126 for someone, like, who doesn't have a landed property, 2069 01:13:50,126 --> 01:13:51,227 who doesn't have 2070 01:13:51,227 --> 01:13:53,296 a land or house. 2071 01:13:53,296 --> 01:13:55,131 So, growing is virtually 2072 01:13:56,365 --> 01:13:58,034 difficult. You are at a standstill. 2073 01:14:02,472 --> 01:14:04,340 MAN: If you look at the distribution 2074 01:14:04,340 --> 01:14:05,475 in prosperous countries, 2075 01:14:05,475 --> 01:14:06,743 you see that most companies 2076 01:14:06,743 --> 01:14:08,545 are small and medium size. 2077 01:14:08,545 --> 01:14:10,413 If you look at that same distribution 2078 01:14:10,413 --> 01:14:11,447 in emerging markets, 2079 01:14:11,447 --> 01:14:12,716 in poor countries, 2080 01:14:12,716 --> 01:14:14,217 you see that there's a lot 2081 01:14:14,217 --> 01:14:15,519 of very small companies 2082 01:14:15,519 --> 01:14:17,220 and a few very large companies 2083 01:14:17,220 --> 01:14:18,522 and nobody in the middle. 2084 01:14:18,522 --> 01:14:20,289 This is called the missing middle. 2085 01:14:20,289 --> 01:14:23,259 And that is so important because that middle 2086 01:14:23,259 --> 01:14:25,829 is what creates prosperity. 2087 01:14:25,829 --> 01:14:27,430 MARCELA: It's not that people don't have the capacity 2088 01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:28,598 to be much 2089 01:14:28,598 --> 01:14:29,799 more efficient, it's that 2090 01:14:29,799 --> 01:14:32,168 the access is not democratized. 2091 01:14:33,737 --> 01:14:35,539 NARRATOR: One of the key factors that creates 2092 01:14:35,539 --> 01:14:38,241 inclusion and fairness for the poor 2093 01:14:38,241 --> 01:14:39,843 is justice in the courts, 2094 01:14:39,843 --> 01:14:41,110 or what is often referred 2095 01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:43,212 to by development economists 2096 01:14:43,212 --> 01:14:44,514 as the rule of law. 2097 01:14:45,715 --> 01:14:46,783 MUHAMMAD: Rule of law is 2098 01:14:46,783 --> 01:14:48,852 that I know what I am, 2099 01:14:48,852 --> 01:14:51,120 what is the rights and responsibilities 2100 01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,221 around me, 2101 01:14:52,221 --> 01:14:53,389 and it's protected. 2102 01:14:53,389 --> 01:14:54,624 That's the rule of law. 2103 01:14:54,624 --> 01:14:56,259 Otherwise, it's a jungle. 2104 01:14:56,259 --> 01:14:57,460 The most powerful one 2105 01:14:57,460 --> 01:14:59,128 will take everything. 2106 01:14:59,128 --> 01:15:00,630 And that's not a good 2107 01:15:00,630 --> 01:15:02,799 idea for human society. 2108 01:15:05,635 --> 01:15:06,870 HERNANDO: Try and imagine 2109 01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:08,805 a football match without rules. 2110 01:15:08,805 --> 01:15:09,873 Or you don't get a game going. 2111 01:15:09,873 --> 01:15:11,140 The rules are crucial 2112 01:15:11,140 --> 01:15:12,408 to get that game going. 2113 01:15:12,408 --> 01:15:14,043 But everybody knows how to drive a ball; 2114 01:15:14,043 --> 01:15:16,012 everybody knows how to buy and sell, 2115 01:15:16,012 --> 01:15:17,513 so there's plenty of entrepreneurship 2116 01:15:17,513 --> 01:15:18,582 in the--in the world. 2117 01:15:18,582 --> 01:15:19,649 The problem 2118 01:15:19,649 --> 01:15:20,850 are the rules. 2119 01:15:22,652 --> 01:15:24,621 In two-thirds of the world, 2120 01:15:24,621 --> 01:15:25,955 there isn't yet the rule of law. 2121 01:15:25,955 --> 01:15:27,657 ( speaking in foreign language ) 2122 01:15:27,657 --> 01:15:29,058 What makes people 2123 01:15:29,058 --> 01:15:31,194 interested in the rule of law, 2124 01:15:31,194 --> 01:15:34,063 the first thing that they understand, 2125 01:15:34,063 --> 01:15:35,899 is that everybody on this earth 2126 01:15:35,899 --> 01:15:37,233 lives on a plot of land. 2127 01:15:37,233 --> 01:15:39,669 And so, if you come around and say, 2128 01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:41,705 "Look, we have found rules 2129 01:15:41,705 --> 01:15:43,773 "that determine how far you can go 2130 01:15:43,773 --> 01:15:45,909 and how far somebody else can go," 2131 01:15:45,909 --> 01:15:48,111 are you gonna share or not share water? 2132 01:15:48,111 --> 01:15:49,545 Are you gonna have passing rights 2133 01:15:49,545 --> 01:15:50,814 or not having passing rights? 2134 01:15:50,814 --> 01:15:52,481 People start understanding 2135 01:15:52,481 --> 01:15:54,684 the value of standard rules. 2136 01:15:57,987 --> 01:15:59,956 Property rights are a terrible problem. 2137 01:15:59,956 --> 01:16:01,290 Terrible, terrible problem. 2138 01:16:01,290 --> 01:16:04,027 Like, 60%, 70% of our people are farmers, 2139 01:16:04,027 --> 01:16:06,329 and just imagine if you have 10 million farmers 2140 01:16:06,329 --> 01:16:09,198 who have no title to the land they are farming on. 2141 01:16:09,198 --> 01:16:10,600 We haven't got clean title in Ghana. 2142 01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,135 It's very, very difficult. 2143 01:16:12,135 --> 01:16:14,137 You buy land, you have to buy it four or five times. 2144 01:16:14,137 --> 01:16:15,805 If you're looking for farm land 2145 01:16:15,805 --> 01:16:17,974 as a small peasant farmer, 2146 01:16:17,974 --> 01:16:19,943 looking for five acres to buy, 2147 01:16:19,943 --> 01:16:21,611 you can get five acres from the chief 2148 01:16:21,611 --> 01:16:23,112 by giving him a drink, 2149 01:16:23,112 --> 01:16:24,848 but you don't own the five acres, 2150 01:16:24,848 --> 01:16:26,650 so you can't go to the bank with the five acres 2151 01:16:26,650 --> 01:16:29,719 as your collateral 2152 01:16:29,719 --> 01:16:31,721 to then borrow money to buy a tractor. 2153 01:16:33,056 --> 01:16:35,491 Last time I had a meeting at The World Bank, 2154 01:16:35,491 --> 01:16:37,326 I asked 2155 01:16:37,326 --> 01:16:38,828 The World Bank officials, 2156 01:16:38,828 --> 01:16:40,529 "Hey, you've been working with our government 2157 01:16:40,529 --> 01:16:41,631 all these years." 2158 01:16:41,631 --> 01:16:42,732 You know this is 2159 01:16:42,732 --> 01:16:44,000 at the bottom of our problems. 2160 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,168 "What are you doing about it? 2161 01:16:45,168 --> 01:16:46,803 "Are you saying for 20 years, 2162 01:16:46,803 --> 01:16:48,738 "you just forgot that 2163 01:16:48,738 --> 01:16:50,640 "we have a situation where anybody's business, 2164 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:51,841 "anybody's house 2165 01:16:51,841 --> 01:16:53,209 "can suddenly come into question, 2166 01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:55,311 "and they might just lose their investment 2167 01:16:55,311 --> 01:16:58,214 and that it wouldn't encourage people to invest?" 2168 01:16:58,214 --> 01:17:00,583 I don't see that a lot of work has been done there, 2169 01:17:00,583 --> 01:17:02,085 or a lot of progress has been made there. 2170 01:17:02,085 --> 01:17:04,220 You can't start an economy 2171 01:17:04,220 --> 01:17:05,889 without ownership 2172 01:17:05,889 --> 01:17:07,523 not being in question. 2173 01:17:07,523 --> 01:17:08,925 This is my fundamental. 2174 01:17:11,795 --> 01:17:13,229 NARRATOR: The lack of property rights 2175 01:17:13,229 --> 01:17:15,331 is just one area where the rule of law 2176 01:17:15,331 --> 01:17:16,465 is missing. 2177 01:17:16,465 --> 01:17:17,801 The poor lack access 2178 01:17:17,801 --> 01:17:19,568 to justice in the courts 2179 01:17:19,568 --> 01:17:20,636 and are often locked out 2180 01:17:20,636 --> 01:17:21,938 of the formal economy 2181 01:17:21,938 --> 01:17:24,007 by complex legal structures 2182 01:17:24,007 --> 01:17:26,175 that only the rich and well-connected 2183 01:17:26,175 --> 01:17:27,576 can navigate. 2184 01:17:27,576 --> 01:17:29,212 MAGATTE: When I use the term 2185 01:17:29,212 --> 01:17:30,579 "rule of law," 2186 01:17:30,579 --> 01:17:32,481 I do not want for people to think 2187 01:17:32,481 --> 01:17:35,084 that I'm saying we don't have enough laws. 2188 01:17:35,084 --> 01:17:36,886 Most of countries in Africa 2189 01:17:36,886 --> 01:17:39,088 don't provide good rule of law. 2190 01:17:39,088 --> 01:17:41,457 On one end, they are completely excluded 2191 01:17:41,457 --> 01:17:43,192 from the systems of 2192 01:17:43,192 --> 01:17:44,560 productivity, 2193 01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:45,962 and on the other hand, 2194 01:17:45,962 --> 01:17:48,531 they are basically choking 2195 01:17:48,531 --> 01:17:50,533 under the heaviness 2196 01:17:50,533 --> 01:17:52,035 of these corrupt leaders 2197 01:17:52,035 --> 01:17:54,938 of theirs who have put together 2198 01:17:54,938 --> 01:17:56,773 the worst laws possible 2199 01:17:56,773 --> 01:17:57,941 to allow them 2200 01:17:57,941 --> 01:17:59,142 to try and make it through. 2201 01:18:00,710 --> 01:18:02,045 HERNANDO: We ask ourselves 2202 01:18:02,045 --> 01:18:04,347 in Peru why poor people 2203 01:18:04,347 --> 01:18:05,648 are not using the law 2204 01:18:05,648 --> 01:18:07,683 to create their businesses? 2205 01:18:07,683 --> 01:18:09,018 And the running argument, of course, 2206 01:18:09,018 --> 01:18:11,220 is that most poor people in Peru 2207 01:18:11,220 --> 01:18:12,088 are dumb, 2208 01:18:12,088 --> 01:18:13,356 they're not educated, 2209 01:18:13,356 --> 01:18:15,091 they don't know how to use the law. 2210 01:18:15,091 --> 01:18:17,393 We have got to train them, 2211 01:18:17,393 --> 01:18:19,462 they're primitive. 2212 01:18:19,462 --> 01:18:20,730 I had this debate 2213 01:18:20,730 --> 01:18:22,265 with one of our lawyer friends 2214 01:18:22,265 --> 01:18:24,868 who insisted on the previous theory 2215 01:18:24,868 --> 01:18:27,036 and said that the law was fine. 2216 01:18:27,036 --> 01:18:28,237 The proof is that 2217 01:18:28,237 --> 01:18:30,774 they had established a company for me 2218 01:18:30,774 --> 01:18:33,009 in something less than 30 days. 2219 01:18:33,009 --> 01:18:34,210 So, I said, "Yes, but what happens 2220 01:18:34,210 --> 01:18:35,444 "if you are poor? What happens 2221 01:18:35,444 --> 01:18:37,080 "if you don't have the connections 2222 01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,715 "like I do that allow you to talk to a lawyer, 2223 01:18:39,715 --> 01:18:41,584 "that allow me to pay you in advance, 2224 01:18:41,584 --> 01:18:43,719 "that allow me to use a driver 2225 01:18:43,719 --> 01:18:45,354 "to take my paper from one 2226 01:18:45,354 --> 01:18:46,522 place to another?" 2227 01:18:46,522 --> 01:18:49,458 And so, we established a small little shop 2228 01:18:49,458 --> 01:18:50,659 in the outskirts of Lima, 2229 01:18:50,659 --> 01:18:52,796 five kilometers from the center of Lima, 2230 01:18:52,796 --> 01:18:54,363 where we put two sewing machines 2231 01:18:54,363 --> 01:18:55,631 that were supposed to be 2232 01:18:55,631 --> 01:18:57,400 a shirt factory. 2233 01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:58,902 And we put four students 2234 01:18:58,902 --> 01:19:01,404 and one supervisor 2235 01:19:01,404 --> 01:19:02,538 to go back and forth 2236 01:19:02,538 --> 01:19:03,840 to all the legal offices 2237 01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,975 that they discovered as they went along 2238 01:19:05,975 --> 01:19:07,543 that had to put their stamp 2239 01:19:07,543 --> 01:19:08,711 of approval 2240 01:19:08,711 --> 01:19:10,980 on each document that was necessary 2241 01:19:10,980 --> 01:19:12,315 to make this 2242 01:19:12,315 --> 01:19:13,950 business legal. 2243 01:19:13,950 --> 01:19:15,651 And they did. And it took them 2244 01:19:15,651 --> 01:19:16,986 289 days 2245 01:19:16,986 --> 01:19:18,221 working 8 hours a day. 2246 01:19:18,221 --> 01:19:20,189 And that's when we discovered 2247 01:19:20,189 --> 01:19:23,259 that the law could be friendly 2248 01:19:23,259 --> 01:19:24,861 for some of us and could be 2249 01:19:24,861 --> 01:19:26,930 the enemy for the majority. 2250 01:19:28,998 --> 01:19:30,366 MARCELA: And we actually 2251 01:19:30,366 --> 01:19:31,734 have research that shows that. 2252 01:19:31,734 --> 01:19:32,836 That within each country 2253 01:19:32,836 --> 01:19:34,804 there's a big range 2254 01:19:34,804 --> 01:19:35,872 in which things 2255 01:19:35,872 --> 01:19:37,140 can happen extremely fast 2256 01:19:37,140 --> 01:19:38,908 and efficient in developing countries, 2257 01:19:38,908 --> 01:19:40,409 if you know the minister, 2258 01:19:40,409 --> 01:19:41,644 if you have connections, 2259 01:19:41,644 --> 01:19:43,212 and if you don't, you're on the other end. 2260 01:19:44,747 --> 01:19:46,883 MUHAMMAD: So, it's a very partisan system. 2261 01:19:46,883 --> 01:19:48,417 A system which is 2262 01:19:48,417 --> 01:19:51,320 limited to very privileged people. 2263 01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:52,922 HERMAN: You are stuck in a home, 2264 01:19:52,922 --> 01:19:54,958 in a village, with all your skills 2265 01:19:54,958 --> 01:19:56,125 and all your talents, 2266 01:19:56,125 --> 01:19:57,726 and that's just unfortunately 2267 01:19:57,726 --> 01:19:58,828 the way it is. 2268 01:19:58,828 --> 01:20:00,296 The people here are not stupid, 2269 01:20:00,296 --> 01:20:01,998 they're just disconnected from global trade. 2270 01:20:01,998 --> 01:20:03,199 That's all. 2271 01:20:08,905 --> 01:20:12,842 ( music playing ) 2272 01:20:19,748 --> 01:20:21,250 One very interesting facet 2273 01:20:21,250 --> 01:20:22,852 which is difficult to talk about 2274 01:20:22,852 --> 01:20:24,320 is the celebrity culture. 2275 01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:25,855 You've seen it, you know, 2276 01:20:25,855 --> 01:20:27,323 you see Brad Pitt go to Haiti 2277 01:20:27,323 --> 01:20:29,225 or Bono go to Africa, 2278 01:20:29,225 --> 01:20:30,493 Angelina Jolie and so on. 2279 01:20:30,493 --> 01:20:31,995 They go with the best of their hearts, 2280 01:20:31,995 --> 01:20:33,229 with a good heart, into this 2281 01:20:33,229 --> 01:20:34,697 and they see poverty and they say, 2282 01:20:34,697 --> 01:20:35,899 "I want to do something." 2283 01:20:35,899 --> 01:20:38,101 So, they go to the establishment 2284 01:20:38,101 --> 01:20:40,269 and ask to help. 2285 01:20:40,269 --> 01:20:41,270 There, 2286 01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:42,838 and this is the critical factor, 2287 01:20:42,838 --> 01:20:44,807 they learn the old framework. 2288 01:20:44,807 --> 01:20:46,042 These celebrities 2289 01:20:46,042 --> 01:20:47,810 incorporate this message, 2290 01:20:47,810 --> 01:20:49,545 these cultural messages, 2291 01:20:49,545 --> 01:20:51,981 these harmful cultural messages, 2292 01:20:51,981 --> 01:20:54,017 and turn them into their songs 2293 01:20:54,017 --> 01:20:55,218 and activities 2294 01:20:55,218 --> 01:20:57,086 and into what they're saying, 2295 01:20:57,086 --> 01:20:58,721 and they're, in a way, 2296 01:20:58,721 --> 01:21:01,124 selling this to the next generation. 2297 01:21:01,124 --> 01:21:03,692 *There comes a time* 2298 01:21:03,692 --> 01:21:04,760 *When we heed* 2299 01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,896 *A certain call* 2300 01:21:06,896 --> 01:21:08,431 *When the world* 2301 01:21:08,431 --> 01:21:09,598 *Must come* 2302 01:21:09,598 --> 01:21:11,534 *Together as one* 2303 01:21:12,868 --> 01:21:14,503 *There are * 2304 01:21:14,503 --> 01:21:16,505 *People dying* 2305 01:21:16,505 --> 01:21:18,241 MAGATTE: So, celebrities have big hearts. 2306 01:21:18,241 --> 01:21:20,309 I think I will give them that any day. 2307 01:21:20,309 --> 01:21:21,844 But that's not what's the question here, 2308 01:21:21,844 --> 01:21:23,079 absolutely not. 2309 01:21:23,079 --> 01:21:25,014 But as we all know, 2310 01:21:25,014 --> 01:21:26,415 caring does-- is not enough, 2311 01:21:26,415 --> 01:21:28,117 and in this particular situation 2312 01:21:28,117 --> 01:21:31,120 oftentimes we find it more harmful than not. 2313 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:32,388 Think about it for a second, 2314 01:21:32,388 --> 01:21:33,756 all the material that they use, 2315 01:21:33,756 --> 01:21:35,291 all the visuals that they use, 2316 01:21:35,291 --> 01:21:37,193 certainly in the back of people's minds, 2317 01:21:37,193 --> 01:21:39,262 it's creating this impression 2318 01:21:39,262 --> 01:21:40,529 that the Africans 2319 01:21:40,529 --> 01:21:42,065 are helpless people 2320 01:21:42,065 --> 01:21:43,732 that cannot get anything done 2321 01:21:43,732 --> 01:21:46,035 for themselves by themselves. 2322 01:21:46,035 --> 01:21:48,037 You are contributing to basically 2323 01:21:48,037 --> 01:21:50,373 wiring their brains in that way. 2324 01:21:50,373 --> 01:21:51,740 The only relationship we have to them 2325 01:21:51,740 --> 01:21:53,042 is to helping them. 2326 01:21:53,042 --> 01:21:54,610 People who are better off, 2327 01:21:54,610 --> 01:21:55,979 they are wiring their brain to say, 2328 01:21:55,979 --> 01:21:57,446 "You are not my partner." 2329 01:21:57,446 --> 01:21:58,747 To the poor person, 2330 01:21:58,747 --> 01:21:59,983 and they're wiring the brain 2331 01:21:59,983 --> 01:22:01,184 of a poor person 2332 01:22:01,184 --> 01:22:03,719 to think, "I am not good enough. 2333 01:22:03,719 --> 01:22:05,088 "I can't do this. 2334 01:22:05,088 --> 01:22:06,189 "And these people are better than me. 2335 01:22:06,189 --> 01:22:07,390 They're superior to me." 2336 01:22:07,390 --> 01:22:08,924 And this is something difficult 2337 01:22:08,924 --> 01:22:10,459 to talk about because who wants to point 2338 01:22:10,459 --> 01:22:12,028 their finger at a big celebrity 2339 01:22:12,028 --> 01:22:13,296 and saying, you know, "Some-- 2340 01:22:13,296 --> 01:22:15,031 you're doing something wrong." 2341 01:22:15,031 --> 01:22:16,532 If I had to pick 2342 01:22:16,532 --> 01:22:18,501 one celebrity just to talk about, 2343 01:22:18,501 --> 01:22:20,369 as a-- as a point in case, 2344 01:22:20,369 --> 01:22:22,338 I think the one to choose is Bono, 2345 01:22:22,338 --> 01:22:23,839 because Bono has been at this 2346 01:22:23,839 --> 01:22:24,907 for a very long time. 2347 01:22:24,907 --> 01:22:26,175 And he has done a lot 2348 01:22:26,175 --> 01:22:28,177 in the field. People listen to him. 2349 01:22:28,177 --> 01:22:29,512 People do what he says. 2350 01:22:29,512 --> 01:22:31,247 And he's shown that over and again 2351 01:22:31,247 --> 01:22:33,516 with concerts and aid and the ONE Campaign 2352 01:22:33,516 --> 01:22:35,251 and things like that that he's done. 2353 01:22:35,251 --> 01:22:37,586 BONO: So, we're looking for a million Americans 2354 01:22:38,921 --> 01:22:40,156 to email us, 2355 01:22:40,156 --> 01:22:41,890 to join the ONE Campaign. 2356 01:22:41,890 --> 01:22:43,226 We are gonna end extreme poverty. 2357 01:22:43,226 --> 01:22:46,162 We're gonna make poverty history. 2358 01:22:46,162 --> 01:22:48,497 That's what's fallen to us to do. 2359 01:22:50,333 --> 01:22:51,667 ANDREAS: And Bono is actually, 2360 01:22:51,667 --> 01:22:53,836 I would say, even one of the more 2361 01:22:53,836 --> 01:22:56,672 sophisticated celebrities. 2362 01:22:56,672 --> 01:22:59,475 His thoughts have more sophistication in it 2363 01:22:59,475 --> 01:23:01,177 than some of the other celebrities 2364 01:23:01,177 --> 01:23:02,745 who run around and talk about poverty. 2365 01:23:04,047 --> 01:23:06,115 The thing with Bono, though, is 2366 01:23:06,115 --> 01:23:07,316 you know how he 2367 01:23:07,316 --> 01:23:08,917 talks about rocking the world 2368 01:23:08,917 --> 01:23:11,087 and punk and this and that. 2369 01:23:11,087 --> 01:23:12,688 And while Bono 2370 01:23:12,688 --> 01:23:13,756 rocks a lot 2371 01:23:13,756 --> 01:23:15,691 on the stage, 2372 01:23:15,691 --> 01:23:17,360 as far as the poverty 2373 01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:18,594 industry is concerned 2374 01:23:18,594 --> 01:23:20,829 and the quest to solve poverty, 2375 01:23:20,829 --> 01:23:23,066 Bono is about as establishment 2376 01:23:23,066 --> 01:23:24,233 as you can get. He is, like, 2377 01:23:24,233 --> 01:23:26,302 center establishment. 2378 01:23:26,302 --> 01:23:27,636 I think that tells you a lot 2379 01:23:27,636 --> 01:23:28,637 about our system. 2380 01:23:30,473 --> 01:23:32,508 MAGATTE: My history with Bono is very interesting. 2381 01:23:32,508 --> 01:23:33,876 In 2007 2382 01:23:33,876 --> 01:23:36,145 in Arusha during TED Global, 2383 01:23:36,145 --> 01:23:37,213 I was there. 2384 01:23:37,213 --> 01:23:38,414 Bono was sitting 2385 01:23:38,414 --> 01:23:40,216 probably two seats away from me. 2386 01:23:40,216 --> 01:23:41,984 He is very, 2387 01:23:41,984 --> 01:23:44,053 very much pro-aid, 2388 01:23:44,053 --> 01:23:45,788 to a point that he will stand up 2389 01:23:45,788 --> 01:23:47,256 at a TED talk 2390 01:23:47,256 --> 01:23:49,358 to heckle one of the speakers 2391 01:23:49,358 --> 01:23:51,460 because the speaker was anti-aid, 2392 01:23:51,460 --> 01:23:52,628 Andrew Mwenda. 2393 01:23:52,628 --> 01:23:53,496 Does any one of you 2394 01:23:53,496 --> 01:23:54,963 know a country that developed 2395 01:23:54,963 --> 01:23:56,232 because 2396 01:23:56,232 --> 01:23:58,101 of the generosity 2397 01:23:58,101 --> 01:23:59,302 and the kindness of another? 2398 01:24:00,569 --> 01:24:02,305 Well, since I'm not seeing the hand, 2399 01:24:02,305 --> 01:24:04,640 it appears that what I'm stating is true. 2400 01:24:06,342 --> 01:24:07,943 I can see Bono says he knows the country. 2401 01:24:07,943 --> 01:24:09,345 Which country is that? 2402 01:24:09,345 --> 01:24:11,080 BONO: Yeah, it's an Irish hand. 2403 01:24:13,916 --> 01:24:14,983 MAGATTE: And then, 2404 01:24:14,983 --> 01:24:17,286 seven short years later, 2405 01:24:17,286 --> 01:24:19,322 Bono going on record 2406 01:24:19,322 --> 01:24:20,523 saying... Commerce, 2407 01:24:20,523 --> 01:24:21,890 entrepreneurial capitalism 2408 01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:24,293 takes more people out of poverty than aid, 2409 01:24:24,293 --> 01:24:25,628 of course. We know that. 2410 01:24:27,263 --> 01:24:28,697 Shocking. Shocking. 2411 01:24:28,697 --> 01:24:30,266 I was very happy, as you can imagine. 2412 01:24:30,266 --> 01:24:32,401 I was like, "Wow. He heard us. 2413 01:24:32,401 --> 01:24:33,936 "He heard us back at TED 2414 01:24:33,936 --> 01:24:35,471 in 2007 in Arusha." 2415 01:24:35,471 --> 01:24:37,273 BONO: Well, there's one rock above ground 2416 01:24:37,273 --> 01:24:38,674 that I can see now. 2417 01:24:38,674 --> 01:24:39,742 You know what it is? 2418 01:24:39,742 --> 01:24:41,144 It's a headstone, 2419 01:24:41,144 --> 01:24:42,545 big slab of granite. 2420 01:24:42,545 --> 01:24:44,380 And what we around here used to call, 2421 01:24:44,380 --> 01:24:46,715 "The donor-recipient relationship". 2422 01:24:48,117 --> 01:24:51,320 Paternalism, the old way we did development, 2423 01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,022 is no match for partnership. 2424 01:24:54,022 --> 01:24:55,424 But then in the same-- 2425 01:24:55,424 --> 01:24:57,193 in the same tape he's saying, 2426 01:24:58,060 --> 01:24:59,162 aid does work, 2427 01:24:59,162 --> 01:25:00,863 and you must be brain-dead 2428 01:25:00,863 --> 01:25:02,064 or heart-dead 2429 01:25:02,064 --> 01:25:03,599 to not get that. 2430 01:25:03,599 --> 01:25:04,967 We need aid. 2431 01:25:04,967 --> 01:25:06,435 Of course, we still need aid. 2432 01:25:06,435 --> 01:25:09,238 Of course, we do. Does anyone disagree? 2433 01:25:09,238 --> 01:25:11,006 Anyone apart from brain-dead, 2434 01:25:11,006 --> 01:25:12,208 heart-dead ideologues 2435 01:25:12,208 --> 01:25:14,277 or professional controversialists? 2436 01:25:15,244 --> 01:25:17,780 So, I am very confused by Bono. 2437 01:25:17,780 --> 01:25:19,648 But the good news is, 2438 01:25:19,648 --> 01:25:21,116 I do still believe 2439 01:25:21,116 --> 01:25:22,185 that Bono is probably gonna be 2440 01:25:22,185 --> 01:25:24,187 one of our best allies. 2441 01:25:24,187 --> 01:25:26,455 I feel like he's still one foot in, one foot out, 2442 01:25:26,455 --> 01:25:29,258 but at least there is a foot out now, 2443 01:25:29,258 --> 01:25:31,194 and I think he will leave the poverty industry. 2444 01:25:31,194 --> 01:25:32,261 I think he will. 2445 01:25:32,261 --> 01:25:33,362 And you know what it is? 2446 01:25:33,362 --> 01:25:35,264 I am deeply, deeply convinced 2447 01:25:35,264 --> 01:25:37,500 that Bono really, truly cares. 2448 01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:40,135 He cares so much, actually, 2449 01:25:40,135 --> 01:25:41,504 that he was willing to have 2450 01:25:41,504 --> 01:25:43,972 intellectual integrity 2451 01:25:43,972 --> 01:25:45,073 in coming around, 2452 01:25:45,073 --> 01:25:46,842 and in his world, 2453 01:25:46,842 --> 01:25:49,144 it's not easy to do what he's done. 2454 01:25:50,813 --> 01:25:52,315 HERMAN: For the record, I love Bono. 2455 01:25:52,315 --> 01:25:53,716 I happen to know Bono. 2456 01:25:53,716 --> 01:25:56,752 So, I love his music and he's cool. 2457 01:25:56,752 --> 01:25:58,487 Now, somebody like Bono 2458 01:25:58,487 --> 01:26:00,022 can help the process, 2459 01:26:00,022 --> 01:26:02,090 not in an airy-fairy 2460 01:26:02,090 --> 01:26:03,158 "We love Africa" way. 2461 01:26:03,158 --> 01:26:04,393 That doesn't help us. 2462 01:26:04,393 --> 01:26:07,430 But working with African countries 2463 01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:09,932 to execute their own agenda, 2464 01:26:09,932 --> 01:26:11,967 not an imported agenda. 2465 01:26:11,967 --> 01:26:14,002 Africans know about Africa. 2466 01:26:14,002 --> 01:26:15,538 Only Africans can develop Africa. 2467 01:26:15,538 --> 01:26:17,973 We have to sink or swim 2468 01:26:17,973 --> 01:26:19,608 ourselves. 2469 01:26:19,608 --> 01:26:21,744 Look, I'm glad people wanna help, 2470 01:26:22,811 --> 01:26:24,747 but we don't need 2471 01:26:24,747 --> 01:26:26,515 one more celebrity 2472 01:26:26,515 --> 01:26:28,617 doing one more pop song 2473 01:26:28,617 --> 01:26:30,819 or one more campaign. 2474 01:26:30,819 --> 01:26:32,221 But what we need 2475 01:26:32,221 --> 01:26:34,122 is to no longer be excluded. 2476 01:26:34,122 --> 01:26:38,093 ( music playing ) 2477 01:26:38,093 --> 01:26:40,128 If you really wanna help poverty, 2478 01:26:40,128 --> 01:26:42,331 poverty industry as we know it 2479 01:26:42,331 --> 01:26:43,532 has to go. 2480 01:26:48,604 --> 01:26:50,205 In the past, we've had 2481 01:26:50,205 --> 01:26:51,807 too much paternalism. 2482 01:26:51,807 --> 01:26:54,477 That model didn't work, okay? 2483 01:26:54,477 --> 01:26:55,978 A better model would be 2484 01:26:55,978 --> 01:26:57,313 to let's say 2485 01:26:57,313 --> 01:26:59,248 form partnerships with the poor 2486 01:26:59,248 --> 01:27:00,683 and help the poor 2487 01:27:00,683 --> 01:27:02,318 achieve their own dreams. 2488 01:27:02,318 --> 01:27:03,386 * Factory by night * 2489 01:27:03,386 --> 01:27:04,987 * I work in a factory * 2490 01:27:04,987 --> 01:27:06,889 * By night * 2491 01:27:06,889 --> 01:27:09,157 * Just to feed my wife * 2492 01:27:09,157 --> 01:27:11,960 * And save a life * 2493 01:27:15,431 --> 01:27:17,199 HERMAN: See, in today's world, 2494 01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:18,401 what Africa needs 2495 01:27:18,401 --> 01:27:19,468 is not aid. 2496 01:27:19,468 --> 01:27:21,337 We need a door in. 2497 01:27:21,337 --> 01:27:22,605 EVA: What we need 2498 01:27:22,605 --> 01:27:25,408 is to create capability 2499 01:27:25,408 --> 01:27:27,175 in the citizens 2500 01:27:27,175 --> 01:27:28,511 of this continent 2501 01:27:28,511 --> 01:27:31,414 to becomecreators of wealth. 2502 01:27:33,248 --> 01:27:34,983 The sooner we begin 2503 01:27:34,983 --> 01:27:37,786 to tell a beautiful story 2504 01:27:37,786 --> 01:27:40,122 about the African entrepreneur, 2505 01:27:40,122 --> 01:27:42,925 that he or she is resident 2506 01:27:42,925 --> 01:27:44,627 in this continent 2507 01:27:44,627 --> 01:27:46,261 and is doing amazing work, 2508 01:27:46,261 --> 01:27:49,298 then we will begin to shift mindsets. 2509 01:27:50,666 --> 01:27:51,767 MICHAELS: Having a heart 2510 01:27:51,767 --> 01:27:53,502 for the poor isn't hard. 2511 01:27:53,502 --> 01:27:54,837 We all have that. 2512 01:27:54,837 --> 01:27:56,505 But having a mind for the poor, 2513 01:27:56,505 --> 01:27:58,273 that's the challenge. 2514 01:27:58,273 --> 01:27:59,775 Can we treat them as equals, 2515 01:27:59,775 --> 01:28:00,843 as partners, 2516 01:28:00,843 --> 01:28:02,378 as colleagues? 2517 01:28:03,245 --> 01:28:05,314 Can we allow them 2518 01:28:05,314 --> 01:28:07,316 to put the locus of responsibility 2519 01:28:07,316 --> 01:28:09,718 for their own future on themselves, 2520 01:28:09,718 --> 01:28:11,454 and then be willing to be guided 2521 01:28:11,454 --> 01:28:13,389 by their vision? 2522 01:28:13,389 --> 01:28:15,324 MAGATTE: Instead of focusing on feeding 2523 01:28:15,324 --> 01:28:17,460 more of that system, 2524 01:28:17,460 --> 01:28:19,261 we need to focus more on 2525 01:28:19,261 --> 01:28:20,663 how are we gonna make sure 2526 01:28:20,663 --> 01:28:22,531 that these people who have been excluded 2527 01:28:22,531 --> 01:28:24,500 can now have a foot in? 2528 01:28:24,500 --> 01:28:27,503 And once they have a foot in, 2529 01:28:27,503 --> 01:28:29,171 watch the magic happen. 2530 01:28:29,171 --> 01:28:31,139 It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen faster 2531 01:28:31,139 --> 01:28:32,641 than you've ever thought, 2532 01:28:32,641 --> 01:28:35,744 and it's gonna be beautiful. 2533 01:28:35,744 --> 01:28:37,380 * And I never wanted * 2534 01:28:37,380 --> 01:28:40,248 * To be found * 2535 01:28:40,248 --> 01:28:41,584 * I never wanted more * 2536 01:28:41,584 --> 01:28:44,853 * Than the one right now * 2537 01:28:44,853 --> 01:28:46,254 * I just wanted to find * 2538 01:28:46,254 --> 01:28:48,991 * A piece of ground * 2539 01:28:48,991 --> 01:28:50,125 * So, let me down * 2540 01:28:50,125 --> 01:28:53,829 * In the cold hard ground * 2541 01:28:55,197 --> 01:29:00,002 * In the ground * 2542 01:29:00,002 --> 01:29:04,907 * In the ground * 2543 01:29:14,650 --> 01:29:18,554 ( music playing ) 161355

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