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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:27,961 --> 00:00:31,830 [music playing] 4 00:00:42,409 --> 00:00:44,543 The best thing about history is 5 00:00:44,644 --> 00:00:50,449 to be able to go back in the past to discover yourself. 6 00:00:50,550 --> 00:00:54,987 And the great difficulty for we who are marginalized, 7 00:00:55,088 --> 00:01:02,628 be we women or Black or gay, is you 8 00:01:02,729 --> 00:01:06,565 look at what is purported to be history, and we are invisible. 9 00:01:06,666 --> 00:01:07,366 We don't exist. 10 00:01:10,737 --> 00:01:13,539 ROBERT CORBER: Reconstructing the history of gays 11 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,174 and lesbians is difficult because we 12 00:01:15,275 --> 00:01:18,477 don't have archives of letters, archives of diaries. 13 00:01:18,578 --> 00:01:24,249 What we have are archives of arrest Records 14 00:01:24,350 --> 00:01:26,385 We're lucky if we have an uncle or an aunt who 15 00:01:26,486 --> 00:01:30,522 was gay and can support or help or give 16 00:01:30,623 --> 00:01:33,459 you a window into our past and where we came from. 17 00:01:38,531 --> 00:01:40,799 Often these letters and diaries 18 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:43,368 are destroyed by families who are 19 00:01:43,470 --> 00:01:45,804 horrified to discover that someone in their family 20 00:01:45,905 --> 00:01:47,372 was gay. 21 00:01:47,474 --> 00:01:50,509 And so whenever you find a diary or a set 22 00:01:50,610 --> 00:01:53,545 of letters written by gay people themselves, 23 00:01:53,646 --> 00:01:55,047 it just opens up a world. 24 00:01:57,617 --> 00:02:01,987 [music playing] 25 00:02:18,338 --> 00:02:20,005 RENO MARTIN: From Mount Vernon in New York, 26 00:02:20,106 --> 00:02:21,140 this is Reno Martin. 27 00:02:22,375 --> 00:02:23,075 Good morning. 28 00:02:35,889 --> 00:02:38,957 My friend Reno, he was one of my best friends in New York, 29 00:02:39,058 --> 00:02:39,758 and I miss him. 30 00:02:42,662 --> 00:02:45,464 I told him every little thing that I did. 31 00:02:45,565 --> 00:02:46,465 It was all letter writing. 32 00:02:55,942 --> 00:02:59,111 We felt like sisters or sisters that were 33 00:02:59,212 --> 00:03:01,046 really brothers to the public. 34 00:03:04,184 --> 00:03:09,955 ACTOR AS DAPHNE: August 23, 1955 Dear Reno... 35 00:03:10,056 --> 00:03:12,424 I'm supposed to be doing handwritten reports right now, 36 00:03:12,559 --> 00:03:14,459 and I've got so much junk on my desk 37 00:03:14,561 --> 00:03:17,029 that nobody knows what I'm writing. 38 00:03:17,130 --> 00:03:18,997 And they love to read this. 39 00:03:19,098 --> 00:03:20,465 It's like a confidential book report. 40 00:03:39,118 --> 00:03:42,120 I look extremely readable today. 41 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:45,324 The people on the bus were dropping dead like flies. 42 00:03:45,425 --> 00:03:47,826 It's a camp the way I walk around not bothered. 43 00:03:49,395 --> 00:03:51,897 I'm wearing one of my stripette shirts. 44 00:03:51,998 --> 00:03:54,233 It looks like an Ava Gardner blouse without tits. 45 00:03:56,469 --> 00:03:58,237 As always, Daphne. 46 00:04:06,879 --> 00:04:09,481 This is so wonderful that you were able to find these things. 47 00:04:13,353 --> 00:04:15,921 When a historian like me hears from someone like this, 48 00:04:16,022 --> 00:04:17,956 it's just incredibly thrilling because these sources 49 00:04:18,091 --> 00:04:18,790 are so rare. 50 00:04:21,294 --> 00:04:22,928 JOE E. JEFFREYS: Photographs tell us one thing. 51 00:04:24,330 --> 00:04:25,464 Words tell us another. 52 00:04:27,033 --> 00:04:29,401 The thing that's brilliant about these letters 53 00:04:29,502 --> 00:04:32,104 is that they indicate to people that there 54 00:04:32,205 --> 00:04:34,840 are other sources that have yet to be discovered 55 00:04:34,941 --> 00:04:36,742 and yet to come to light. 56 00:04:36,843 --> 00:04:40,712 [music playing] 57 00:04:51,424 --> 00:04:52,124 Hello! 58 00:04:56,896 --> 00:04:57,596 [applause] 59 00:04:57,697 --> 00:04:58,597 (CHANTING) Gay and proud. 60 00:04:58,698 --> 00:04:59,564 Gay and proud. 61 00:05:30,963 --> 00:05:35,367 All the queens looked horrid except for Josephine. 62 00:05:35,468 --> 00:05:38,103 Josephine, she was a fabulous drag queen. 63 00:05:40,073 --> 00:05:44,776 My name is Lennie, and I'm from a very small town 64 00:05:44,877 --> 00:05:47,779 near Hershey, Pennsylvania. 65 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,349 And this small town in Pennsylvania, 66 00:05:50,450 --> 00:05:53,919 they're not too broad minded. 67 00:05:54,020 --> 00:05:57,422 It's a farming area and very religious. 68 00:05:59,392 --> 00:06:03,995 Believe it or not, I became the first male cheerleader 69 00:06:04,097 --> 00:06:04,796 in Hershey. 70 00:06:07,567 --> 00:06:13,472 I laugh about it now, but my one brother was kind of embarrassed 71 00:06:13,573 --> 00:06:17,209 because everybody wanted to go into the game 72 00:06:17,310 --> 00:06:21,546 to see the guy doing a cartwheel with the cheerleaders. 73 00:06:23,483 --> 00:06:25,350 So I knew it was time to go. 74 00:06:27,053 --> 00:06:33,458 I left there when I was 18, and I went to the military. 75 00:06:52,979 --> 00:06:56,581 Back in the beginning, well, like Dorothy, I was born 76 00:06:56,682 --> 00:06:58,083 in Kansas, Wichita, Kansas. 77 00:07:00,253 --> 00:07:03,488 We lived on a little tiny small sort of a farm. 78 00:07:03,589 --> 00:07:06,291 I mean, we had chickens, and we had a billy goat. 79 00:07:07,894 --> 00:07:11,630 And I hated Kansas, even as a little kid. 80 00:07:11,731 --> 00:07:13,432 We lived near a railroad track, and I 81 00:07:13,533 --> 00:07:16,268 used to go out there and sit by that railroad track 82 00:07:16,369 --> 00:07:17,936 and watch those trains go by and think, 83 00:07:18,037 --> 00:07:20,005 I want to get the hell out of here, 84 00:07:20,106 --> 00:07:21,606 even as a three-year-old boy. 85 00:07:25,478 --> 00:07:27,012 My mother was very poor. 86 00:07:27,113 --> 00:07:28,346 She was a working single mom. 87 00:07:28,448 --> 00:07:30,382 She couldn't afford to send me to college. 88 00:07:31,684 --> 00:07:33,718 So my brother had been in the Air Force, 89 00:07:33,820 --> 00:07:36,321 and he suggested, you know, why don't you join the Air Force? 90 00:07:36,422 --> 00:07:37,556 See the world. 91 00:07:37,657 --> 00:07:38,623 And so I did. 92 00:07:38,724 --> 00:07:39,691 I joined the Air Force. 93 00:07:41,260 --> 00:07:44,229 And then I was shipped to Biloxi, Mississippi. 94 00:07:50,169 --> 00:07:51,803 LENNIE: We were all the military, my fathers, 95 00:07:51,904 --> 00:07:53,472 my brothers, everybody. 96 00:07:53,573 --> 00:07:57,108 Well, when I got in, I was on a ship, and we had our own radio. 97 00:07:59,345 --> 00:08:01,780 Marty Ryder his name was. 98 00:08:01,881 --> 00:08:04,950 He used to run shows on the ship every year. 99 00:08:05,051 --> 00:08:11,022 And he did a show called Sound Off of 1953, 100 00:08:11,123 --> 00:08:14,826 and the star of the show was DeeDee LaRue. 101 00:08:16,729 --> 00:08:19,130 And I sang a song and did a strip. 102 00:08:21,834 --> 00:08:23,869 I went into France and bought a wig 103 00:08:23,970 --> 00:08:27,906 and did a lot more than I was supposed to do. 104 00:08:28,007 --> 00:08:30,575 I was supposed to be a guy that looked like a girl. 105 00:08:32,178 --> 00:08:33,812 So we did two shows. 106 00:08:35,314 --> 00:08:40,785 The second show I had to get an escort to come from where I got 107 00:08:40,887 --> 00:08:46,525 dressed to go on stage because the guys 108 00:08:46,626 --> 00:08:50,562 thought that a real girl must have got onto the ship somehow. 109 00:08:52,498 --> 00:08:56,234 And if it wasn't, it was the closest thing to it, 110 00:08:56,335 --> 00:08:58,169 and they were going to try to get it, I guess. 111 00:09:01,307 --> 00:09:04,309 I got to get out of here because at that time, 112 00:09:04,410 --> 00:09:05,277 you got thrown out. 113 00:09:11,684 --> 00:09:14,853 And thank God, within two months, my time was up. 114 00:09:17,189 --> 00:09:21,726 ACTOR AS DAPHNE: November 13, 1957. 115 00:09:21,827 --> 00:09:25,897 Dear Reno... did I tell you the time I met a number 116 00:09:25,998 --> 00:09:27,432 around my neighborhood? 117 00:09:27,533 --> 00:09:29,701 It was so butch it's a camp. 118 00:09:29,802 --> 00:09:31,703 Actually he's fighting the gay scene. 119 00:09:31,804 --> 00:09:33,672 He's really in love with his close buddy 120 00:09:33,773 --> 00:09:35,240 who is in the Air Force. 121 00:09:35,341 --> 00:09:38,343 The things that go on in some circles of straight life 122 00:09:38,444 --> 00:09:41,479 are enough to make ours look prudish. 123 00:09:41,614 --> 00:09:43,248 As always, Daphne. 124 00:09:45,718 --> 00:09:49,454 [music playing] 125 00:09:49,555 --> 00:09:51,690 ROBERT: I had never been in the South before. 126 00:09:53,459 --> 00:09:57,929 Anyway, New Orleans was an hour and a half away by bus. 127 00:09:58,064 --> 00:10:01,733 I was given weekend leaves, and they give you 128 00:10:01,834 --> 00:10:04,269 a paper that has all of the places that are listed 129 00:10:04,370 --> 00:10:08,840 that are off limits to personnel in the United States Air Force. 130 00:10:08,941 --> 00:10:11,910 Well, of course all the gay bars were on this list, 131 00:10:12,011 --> 00:10:14,546 so they gave me a perfect map to find everybody 132 00:10:14,647 --> 00:10:16,681 in town that I wanted. 133 00:10:16,782 --> 00:10:20,452 So I pranced down to New Orleans and had a wonderful time. 134 00:10:20,553 --> 00:10:23,054 Discovered a whole new world in the French Quarter. 135 00:10:37,370 --> 00:10:41,172 GEORGE: I actually was raised in New Orleans in a shotgun house. 136 00:10:44,243 --> 00:10:47,278 So consequently when I'm asked when did I come out? 137 00:10:47,380 --> 00:10:49,781 I jokingly say I was born in a shotgun house. 138 00:10:49,882 --> 00:10:50,749 We had no closets. 139 00:10:50,850 --> 00:10:53,351 I had a chifforobe, and I've always 140 00:10:53,452 --> 00:10:54,819 been out to my knowledge. 141 00:10:57,623 --> 00:11:02,627 Basically the first time that I remember being in drag 142 00:11:02,728 --> 00:11:05,697 and making a production of it... 143 00:11:05,798 --> 00:11:08,967 My mother always went to the straight balls, always. 144 00:11:09,068 --> 00:11:11,136 My mother never missed a ball. 145 00:11:11,237 --> 00:11:14,706 And she had this orange taffeta ball gown, 146 00:11:14,807 --> 00:11:17,776 and I decided I was going to put it on one day and order 147 00:11:17,877 --> 00:11:19,544 groceries from the corner. 148 00:11:19,645 --> 00:11:22,580 And I literally put this orange dress on 149 00:11:22,682 --> 00:11:26,418 and just pulled my hair down like in bangs 150 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:29,688 and didn't put any makeup on because I thought I was pretty. 151 00:11:29,789 --> 00:11:33,191 So I called the grocery store and I said, this is George, 152 00:11:33,292 --> 00:11:34,359 and I want to order some groceries, 153 00:11:34,460 --> 00:11:36,027 but I want to Sam to bring them to me. 154 00:11:36,128 --> 00:11:37,395 He said, OK. 155 00:11:37,496 --> 00:11:39,164 So I ordered just two or three things 156 00:11:39,265 --> 00:11:40,832 because it was just at the corner. 157 00:11:40,933 --> 00:11:43,501 And he came to the door, knocked on the door, 158 00:11:43,602 --> 00:11:46,471 and I answered the door in my orange taffeta gown. 159 00:11:46,572 --> 00:11:49,507 And he went, little girl, are these your groceries? 160 00:11:49,608 --> 00:11:51,009 And I went, yes, those are my groceries. 161 00:11:51,110 --> 00:11:52,077 Thank you very much. 162 00:11:52,178 --> 00:11:53,511 And I closed the door, and I left. 163 00:11:53,612 --> 00:11:55,613 I went, man, this is pretty good. 164 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:56,448 This is crazy. 165 00:11:56,549 --> 00:11:57,515 I can get away with this stuff. 166 00:12:01,187 --> 00:12:02,854 ACTOR AS CHARLIE: Dear Reno... 167 00:12:02,955 --> 00:12:06,257 Well, how do you like your new job in New Orleans? 168 00:12:06,358 --> 00:12:08,693 Are there any flames down there? 169 00:12:08,794 --> 00:12:11,463 Do the queens paint very much? 170 00:12:11,564 --> 00:12:12,464 Take care. 171 00:12:12,565 --> 00:12:14,799 Regards from all, Charlie. 172 00:12:22,641 --> 00:12:25,376 ROBERT: My first carnival in New Orleans... 173 00:12:25,511 --> 00:12:27,712 Of course at carnival everyone goes in costumes, 174 00:12:27,813 --> 00:12:30,148 and many of the queens go in drag. 175 00:12:30,249 --> 00:12:33,284 And a friend of mine whose name was JoJo, and he 176 00:12:33,385 --> 00:12:35,920 asked me if I would like to go in drag. 177 00:12:36,021 --> 00:12:37,555 I said, oh yeah. 178 00:12:37,656 --> 00:12:41,192 I didn't have a wig, though, so he bleached my hair snow white, 179 00:12:41,293 --> 00:12:45,029 and he turned me on to this guy who made me a gorgeous gown. 180 00:12:45,131 --> 00:12:48,867 It was aqua blue velvet, and the top part of it 181 00:12:48,968 --> 00:12:52,737 was black Chantilly lace, and it was encrusted with Aurora 182 00:12:52,838 --> 00:12:56,374 Borealis And it had a big floating 183 00:12:56,475 --> 00:12:59,177 collar and one side what's called a portrait collar. 184 00:12:59,278 --> 00:13:00,545 It was just beautiful. 185 00:13:05,417 --> 00:13:08,219 Of course, it's absolutely jam packed. 186 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,288 I mean, you're bumper to bumper. 187 00:13:10,389 --> 00:13:14,159 It seemed like people were just parting to let me get through. 188 00:13:14,260 --> 00:13:16,161 So I was getting a clue that, man, 189 00:13:16,262 --> 00:13:17,996 you must really look good if you're getting 190 00:13:18,097 --> 00:13:20,265 a pathway opening up for you. 191 00:13:21,734 --> 00:13:25,436 And that's how the whole drag thing began with me. 192 00:13:28,641 --> 00:13:31,042 In the service, you know, there's a whole patriotic thing 193 00:13:31,143 --> 00:13:32,377 about a lot of people. 194 00:13:32,478 --> 00:13:34,879 And I was that way when I joined but not when I came out. 195 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:41,820 I'm not patriotic at this point because I 196 00:13:41,921 --> 00:13:43,555 finally got my discharge. 197 00:13:43,656 --> 00:13:45,156 And when I opened the envelope, it 198 00:13:45,257 --> 00:13:47,926 was an undesirable discharge. 199 00:13:48,027 --> 00:13:50,028 That means when you're undesirable, 200 00:13:50,129 --> 00:13:51,696 you're not just undesirable. 201 00:13:51,797 --> 00:13:53,965 You receive no benefits. 202 00:13:54,066 --> 00:13:56,201 You have no veterans rights at all. 203 00:13:57,603 --> 00:13:58,503 The chaplain says to me. 204 00:13:58,604 --> 00:14:00,839 He said, Mr. Bouvard, he said, you 205 00:14:00,940 --> 00:14:03,942 have given this base the worst reputation 206 00:14:04,043 --> 00:14:06,544 of any Air Force base in the United States 207 00:14:06,645 --> 00:14:08,680 because of your gay activities. 208 00:14:08,781 --> 00:14:10,048 So I told him. 209 00:14:10,149 --> 00:14:13,151 I said, I would have been a great radio operator whether I 210 00:14:13,252 --> 00:14:17,622 was gay or whether I was a unicorn, 211 00:14:17,723 --> 00:14:18,990 and I tore the discharge up. 212 00:14:22,661 --> 00:14:27,732 ACTOR: Dear Reno... remember that number that was bats over me? 213 00:14:27,833 --> 00:14:30,869 Well, he's in New York now and out of the Navy. 214 00:14:30,970 --> 00:14:32,537 He called me earlier this week. 215 00:14:32,638 --> 00:14:33,371 I flipped. 216 00:14:34,807 --> 00:14:38,009 The first thing he asked me was if my hair was still long. 217 00:14:38,110 --> 00:14:39,811 His digs that scene. 218 00:14:39,912 --> 00:14:43,581 Then he asked me about my Liz Taylor eyes. 219 00:14:43,682 --> 00:14:45,950 Mary, I cracked. 220 00:14:46,051 --> 00:14:48,553 That same night I did a cleaning of the brows 221 00:14:48,654 --> 00:14:52,924 and started a slight application of mascara for that Liz effect. 222 00:14:54,326 --> 00:14:57,095 I met him at a YMCA where he was staying 223 00:14:57,196 --> 00:14:59,364 this was 12 applications later. 224 00:15:09,909 --> 00:15:11,442 I'm James Bingood. 225 00:15:13,045 --> 00:15:15,280 And if you don't know who that is, 226 00:15:15,381 --> 00:15:16,714 you won't want to watch this. 227 00:15:16,815 --> 00:15:20,451 [laughter] And you probably don't. 228 00:15:25,291 --> 00:15:30,695 Yeah, I made a movie, and I was a drag queen, a fashion 229 00:15:30,796 --> 00:15:33,731 designer, costume maker. 230 00:15:33,799 --> 00:15:34,832 I did a lot of stuff. 231 00:15:37,002 --> 00:15:40,405 I think I've always been unique, maybe 232 00:15:40,506 --> 00:15:42,974 because in Madison all my life I've played 233 00:15:43,075 --> 00:15:45,076 alone because I was different. 234 00:15:45,177 --> 00:15:50,081 [laughter] And I just got to accept, well, that's life. 235 00:15:50,182 --> 00:15:51,316 I didn't turn gay. 236 00:15:51,417 --> 00:15:52,583 I was born gay. 237 00:15:55,087 --> 00:15:56,654 I mean, I had the paper doll. 238 00:15:56,755 --> 00:15:57,689 I had girly toys. 239 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:03,094 When I first saw those cartoons of little buildings 240 00:16:03,195 --> 00:16:05,530 like they have them, I put them in my movie, 241 00:16:05,631 --> 00:16:07,298 and they were like skyline, and then 242 00:16:07,366 --> 00:16:11,102 there's little yellow windows and the blue sky. 243 00:16:11,203 --> 00:16:14,739 First time I saw that, that's where I knew I wanted to be. 244 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,674 There was nothing like that in Madison. 245 00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:20,411 So I got here. 246 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:28,152 ACTOR: Dear Reno... 247 00:16:28,253 --> 00:16:30,588 New York's hotter than a firecracker, 248 00:16:30,689 --> 00:16:32,323 and I'm not referring to the weather. 249 00:16:34,793 --> 00:16:36,761 That's been pretty hot too, come to think of it. 250 00:16:43,335 --> 00:16:45,870 JAMES: When I came to New York, it was like the movie 251 00:16:45,971 --> 00:16:47,438 version of New York City. 252 00:16:49,675 --> 00:16:52,377 It's sparkled, and it was colors, 253 00:16:52,478 --> 00:16:55,546 and you could practically feel yourself ready to do 254 00:16:55,647 --> 00:16:56,948 some Gene Kelly dances. 255 00:16:58,617 --> 00:16:59,650 Maybe it was the fashions. 256 00:17:02,621 --> 00:17:04,655 Women had big skirts that would "shk." 257 00:17:06,959 --> 00:17:08,693 The minute I stepped off the bus, 258 00:17:08,794 --> 00:17:10,628 I felt I was where I was meant to be. 259 00:17:10,729 --> 00:17:11,562 It was fabulous. 260 00:19:46,852 --> 00:19:50,788 ACTOR AS DAPHNE: September 24, 1957. 261 00:19:50,889 --> 00:19:55,760 Dear Reno... Josephine was with me at the Valley Sunday night. 262 00:19:55,861 --> 00:19:57,762 I was with my number from Jersey. 263 00:19:57,863 --> 00:20:01,666 We all danced and danced and danced and danced 264 00:20:01,767 --> 00:20:03,534 and danced and danced. 265 00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:08,573 My number had to catch the 12 o'clock busted at 42nd, 266 00:20:08,674 --> 00:20:12,243 so me and Baker cruised the streets for a while. 267 00:20:12,344 --> 00:20:14,312 I felt bummy and didn't feel like going 268 00:20:14,413 --> 00:20:16,914 home to bed to prepare for work the next morning. 269 00:20:28,293 --> 00:20:31,662 ACTOR AS DAPHNE: Well, let me tell you what happened. 270 00:20:31,763 --> 00:20:33,764 We spotted this hot-looking blonde 271 00:20:33,865 --> 00:20:35,499 on the corner of the Bali. 272 00:20:35,601 --> 00:20:39,170 He looked at us and did one of those famous retakes. 273 00:20:39,271 --> 00:20:40,471 We couldn't read him for shit. 274 00:20:42,574 --> 00:20:46,143 Josephine said let's ditch, so she asked for a cigarette. 275 00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:48,613 He was much smiles. 276 00:20:48,714 --> 00:20:51,082 He said he was looking for a good time. 277 00:20:51,183 --> 00:20:53,784 Well, my dear, you never saw two party 278 00:20:53,885 --> 00:20:56,587 girls go into action so fast. 279 00:20:56,688 --> 00:20:58,856 We took him to Joey Ferrara's place. 280 00:20:58,957 --> 00:21:02,627 Naturally he insisted on walking behind. 281 00:21:02,728 --> 00:21:06,564 We didn't exactly look like any of his college chums. 282 00:21:40,632 --> 00:21:42,333 GEORGE CHAUNCEY: You know, to have a queen in a bar was 283 00:21:42,434 --> 00:21:45,369 a very risky thing because the laws against bars 284 00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:46,203 serving gay people. 285 00:21:47,773 --> 00:21:51,842 The mere presence of a lesbian or gay man in a bar 286 00:21:51,943 --> 00:21:54,745 meant that bar was disorderly and could be shut down. 287 00:21:58,750 --> 00:22:01,585 You'd be taken to jail and charged with some kind 288 00:22:01,687 --> 00:22:02,620 of obscenity laws. 289 00:22:05,257 --> 00:22:08,893 The safe route was you don't come out, 290 00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:12,196 but these drag queen was really out there 291 00:22:12,297 --> 00:22:14,065 and took a lot of chances. 292 00:22:16,068 --> 00:22:21,138 And that way led often times to violence, being beaten up. 293 00:22:24,543 --> 00:22:27,778 ACTOR AS CHARLIE: September 16, 1957. 294 00:22:27,879 --> 00:22:32,650 Dear Reno... Saturday night, I decided to go to the Cork. 295 00:22:32,751 --> 00:22:34,518 They didn't even want to let me in. 296 00:22:34,619 --> 00:22:36,120 Later Daphne came in, and she had 297 00:22:36,221 --> 00:22:37,955 to go through the same thing. 298 00:22:38,056 --> 00:22:42,526 New York is very hot, cops all over. 299 00:22:42,627 --> 00:22:44,695 Hardly know queens paint. 300 00:22:44,796 --> 00:22:45,496 They have to be careful. 301 00:22:47,666 --> 00:22:49,266 Love your friend, Charlie. 302 00:23:04,716 --> 00:23:11,689 CLAUDE: First time I went in drag, I was with Billy, Daphne, 303 00:23:11,790 --> 00:23:13,023 and with Josephine. 304 00:23:15,260 --> 00:23:17,094 We were the freaks. 305 00:23:19,064 --> 00:23:21,031 That's what they called us, the freaks. 306 00:23:23,368 --> 00:23:27,204 We had shaved eyebrows that went up to here. 307 00:23:27,305 --> 00:23:31,175 They were penciled on and the eyeliner and eyelashes 308 00:23:31,276 --> 00:23:32,042 that went on forever. 309 00:23:33,545 --> 00:23:36,547 We were as close to being female as you could get. 310 00:23:38,683 --> 00:23:45,156 I was 15 in a black lace and sequined strapless 311 00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:51,262 dress that I borrowed from a hooker and gold-sequined pumps 312 00:23:51,363 --> 00:23:54,565 that I also borrowed from a hooker. 313 00:23:54,666 --> 00:23:56,467 The only thing that was mine was my hair. 314 00:23:58,003 --> 00:24:02,940 We all got into a taxi cab in our respective drags 315 00:24:03,041 --> 00:24:06,277 to be taken out to the Cork club. 316 00:24:08,013 --> 00:24:10,181 ACTOR: Claudia's back in town. 317 00:24:10,282 --> 00:24:11,949 She was in Florida, you know? 318 00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:14,051 She's back on the scene with Josephine. 319 00:24:14,152 --> 00:24:16,387 I saw them both at the Cork. 320 00:24:16,488 --> 00:24:20,357 The Cork is quite the scene for pancaked faces again. 321 00:24:20,459 --> 00:24:22,626 I'm in the mood to paint like crazy 322 00:24:22,727 --> 00:24:24,562 and make an appearance there tomorrow night. 323 00:24:29,935 --> 00:24:32,403 ROBERT: The cork club I went to often. 324 00:24:32,504 --> 00:24:34,939 It was the place to go. 325 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,674 That's where... come to think of it, 326 00:24:36,775 --> 00:24:39,643 that's where I saw Josephine and Claudia a lot 327 00:24:39,744 --> 00:24:41,912 was at the Cork club. 328 00:24:42,013 --> 00:24:45,316 Josephine and Claudia, they were the upper echelon 329 00:24:45,417 --> 00:24:46,851 of drag queens. 330 00:24:48,753 --> 00:24:52,790 In the club was a section in the back 331 00:24:52,891 --> 00:25:00,831 where there was four booths, and in those booths is where 332 00:25:00,932 --> 00:25:03,233 the drag queens, we all sat. 333 00:25:03,301 --> 00:25:05,836 But drag queens were accepted. 334 00:25:05,937 --> 00:25:08,105 Drag queens were accepted. 335 00:25:08,206 --> 00:25:08,939 Man, come on. 336 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,574 Sit down over here. 337 00:25:10,675 --> 00:25:11,775 Sit over here with us. 338 00:25:11,877 --> 00:25:12,576 Come on. 339 00:25:12,677 --> 00:25:13,377 You drink? 340 00:25:13,478 --> 00:25:14,979 What do you want to drink? 341 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,517 Only thing I had ever heard of was I'll have a 7 and 7. 342 00:25:19,618 --> 00:25:22,219 You get him a 7 and 7. 343 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,955 You get my pretty young thing here a 7 and 7. 344 00:25:26,658 --> 00:25:28,993 And I got a 7 and 7. 345 00:25:29,094 --> 00:25:30,494 ACTOR AS CHARLIE: Dear Reno... 346 00:25:30,595 --> 00:25:33,130 Well, Rose, did you receive my three letters? 347 00:25:33,231 --> 00:25:35,833 Have I gotten in the swing again? 348 00:25:35,967 --> 00:25:37,868 I went to the Cork Club this past weekend, 349 00:25:37,969 --> 00:25:41,305 and you should see the trade that was there. 350 00:25:41,406 --> 00:25:42,106 Gorgeous. 351 00:25:43,475 --> 00:25:45,242 Josephine was there. 352 00:25:45,343 --> 00:25:48,746 Josephine looks very good since she lost all that weight. 353 00:25:48,847 --> 00:25:51,949 She told me she had written you a four-page letter. 354 00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:54,318 Have you answered her? 355 00:25:54,419 --> 00:25:56,086 Your friend always, Charlie. 356 00:25:57,722 --> 00:26:01,158 Josephine was one of the most famous queens from Brooklyn. 357 00:26:29,054 --> 00:26:31,455 She was a fabulous drag queen, beautiful. 358 00:26:37,629 --> 00:26:42,399 And his hair was pulled back, Chinese, bangs, 359 00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:45,135 and an enormous black ponytail. 360 00:26:53,311 --> 00:26:55,913 Josephine needed to have a sponsor 361 00:26:56,014 --> 00:26:59,350 because she came from the Dominican Republic illegally. 362 00:26:59,451 --> 00:27:03,821 But I owned beauty shops, so I sponsored her, 363 00:27:03,922 --> 00:27:08,859 and she did become a citizen working as a hairdresser. 364 00:27:13,665 --> 00:27:17,701 ACTOR AS JO BAKER: November 19, 1956. 365 00:27:17,802 --> 00:27:20,371 Dear Reno... how are you? 366 00:27:20,472 --> 00:27:23,140 I wrote you a four-page letter dishing you all about the drag 367 00:27:23,241 --> 00:27:24,108 and everything. 368 00:27:24,209 --> 00:27:25,476 You didn't get it? 369 00:27:25,577 --> 00:27:28,178 Well, anyway, I hope you get this one. 370 00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:31,382 So you're still looking for romance, eh? 371 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:33,584 Well, the scene is off. 372 00:27:33,685 --> 00:27:34,518 Forget about it. 373 00:27:34,619 --> 00:27:38,055 There's no happiness for a fag. 374 00:27:38,156 --> 00:27:40,391 I'm out today with Claudia. 375 00:27:40,492 --> 00:27:41,659 I walked in. 376 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,160 The door were all opened. 377 00:27:43,261 --> 00:27:46,797 I picked out four gorgeous sweaters and flew out. 378 00:27:46,898 --> 00:27:49,600 Well, what a scene. 379 00:27:49,701 --> 00:27:51,935 I'm starting my winter collection already. 380 00:27:52,037 --> 00:27:54,672 Love, Jo Baker, 381 00:27:54,773 --> 00:27:55,973 There was lots of things that I 382 00:27:56,074 --> 00:27:59,677 didn't like about Josephine, one thing 383 00:27:59,778 --> 00:28:02,046 that he was a kleptomaniac. 384 00:28:02,147 --> 00:28:05,649 And I hope you're not alive, Josephine, and hearing this, 385 00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:07,985 but a lot of these guys from Brooklyn 386 00:28:08,086 --> 00:28:11,055 would steal anything that was not nailed down, literally. 387 00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:14,058 They were wild. 388 00:28:16,027 --> 00:28:18,062 I mean, they were very glamorous and everything, 389 00:28:18,163 --> 00:28:21,632 but truthfully, both Josephine and Claudia 390 00:28:21,733 --> 00:28:25,202 had the same problem with their hands 391 00:28:25,303 --> 00:28:26,970 on other people's belongings. 392 00:28:41,486 --> 00:28:44,722 ACTOR: Just a demented note to say hello. 393 00:28:44,823 --> 00:28:46,457 I saw Josephine. 394 00:28:46,558 --> 00:28:50,227 We got very dishy, mostly about the drag. 395 00:28:50,328 --> 00:28:52,963 You remember that famous fringe place? 396 00:28:53,064 --> 00:28:55,365 You know the one where we mopped? 397 00:28:55,467 --> 00:28:58,335 Well, Frankie and Josephine went there 398 00:28:58,436 --> 00:29:01,305 and mopped on the whole boat of silver lame 399 00:29:01,406 --> 00:29:03,841 and the whole bolt of gold. 400 00:29:03,942 --> 00:29:05,142 Isn't that a camp? 401 00:29:05,243 --> 00:29:08,345 All this dish put me on the kick, you know? 402 00:29:08,446 --> 00:29:11,281 I can't see spending all that loot for drag. 403 00:29:11,382 --> 00:29:13,751 Those lucky bums got everything for nothing. 404 00:29:16,121 --> 00:29:19,823 CLAUDE: There was once a place called Brooks Costumes. 405 00:29:21,826 --> 00:29:25,362 Brooks Costumes was the biggest contributor 406 00:29:25,463 --> 00:29:29,266 to drag queenism in America. 407 00:29:29,367 --> 00:29:33,604 There's a picture in my mind of Josephine, and he went in there 408 00:29:33,705 --> 00:29:37,841 and waited till the owner of the place went to the back 409 00:29:37,942 --> 00:29:39,843 to take a leak. 410 00:29:39,944 --> 00:29:44,882 And he went in and grabbed this enormous white ostrich feather 411 00:29:44,983 --> 00:29:46,283 fan. 412 00:29:46,384 --> 00:29:53,357 Picture a 5 foot 9, Hispanic man with no eyebrows running down 413 00:29:53,458 --> 00:29:59,163 the street with a white ostrich fan that was taller 414 00:29:59,264 --> 00:29:59,963 than he was. 415 00:30:04,836 --> 00:30:07,237 No, [inaudible], I don't think. 416 00:30:35,033 --> 00:30:38,068 ACTOR AS JO BAKER: November 19, 1957. 417 00:30:38,169 --> 00:30:43,841 Dear Reno... oh, last night I was coming home in the rain, 418 00:30:43,942 --> 00:30:47,611 and this kid followed me with an umbrella and a suitcase. 419 00:30:47,712 --> 00:30:51,715 So I stopped, got under the umbrella with him not bothered, 420 00:30:51,816 --> 00:30:53,383 and started to dish. 421 00:30:53,484 --> 00:30:56,553 Well, anyway, he's my neighbor, and he's 422 00:30:56,654 --> 00:30:59,289 in this play "My Fair Lady." 423 00:30:59,390 --> 00:31:00,991 Isn't that a flip? 424 00:31:01,092 --> 00:31:01,992 He's a little gay. 425 00:31:03,828 --> 00:31:05,596 I think he could be a stead bang or something. 426 00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:07,130 I called Billy Baker. 427 00:31:07,232 --> 00:31:09,366 She surprised you haven't written her. 428 00:31:09,467 --> 00:31:11,702 She's my silver bugle sheath for Phil's. 429 00:31:13,605 --> 00:31:14,838 Love, Jo Baker. 430 00:31:17,675 --> 00:31:23,347 Josephine had Billy Baker make him a silver lame 431 00:31:23,448 --> 00:31:29,653 and rhinestone dress with fringe that hung down, 432 00:31:29,754 --> 00:31:31,588 whatnot, and the fan. 433 00:31:34,826 --> 00:31:36,627 You could see him clear across the ballroom. 434 00:31:38,796 --> 00:31:39,963 ACTOR AS BILLY BAKER: Dear Reno... 435 00:31:40,064 --> 00:31:42,966 I've been very busy with Josephine's dress. 436 00:31:43,067 --> 00:31:44,968 It came out sensational. 437 00:31:45,069 --> 00:31:46,937 I could not get to see her that night, 438 00:31:47,038 --> 00:31:48,805 but I heard from Daphne she looked gorgeous. 439 00:31:51,309 --> 00:31:54,111 The drag was supposed to be on a stick. 440 00:31:54,212 --> 00:31:55,946 Take good care and write soon. 441 00:31:56,047 --> 00:31:58,115 Always, your friend, Billy. 442 00:31:59,417 --> 00:32:05,656 Billy Baker... his real name was Billy Norton Jr. 443 00:32:05,757 --> 00:32:07,991 LENNIE: He was a very good dress maker. 444 00:32:08,092 --> 00:32:08,992 He made a few of mine. 445 00:32:10,428 --> 00:32:14,765 They were spectacular beaded gowns, just brilliant. 446 00:32:14,866 --> 00:32:19,069 I inherited one from Lynn Carter, which I treasured. 447 00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:28,712 I met Billy because Billy could sew and sew well. 448 00:32:28,813 --> 00:32:33,817 He had a sewing machine, and he would make a living doing that. 449 00:32:33,885 --> 00:32:38,322 He will make you a knock-out dress for $10. 450 00:32:41,893 --> 00:32:43,427 They were lined up around the block. 451 00:32:45,463 --> 00:32:46,663 ACTOR AS BILLY BAKER: Please forgive me 452 00:32:46,764 --> 00:32:49,599 for writing this in pencil, but I'm at my new place 453 00:32:49,701 --> 00:32:51,935 and didn't even have writing paper. 454 00:32:52,036 --> 00:32:54,871 I am very happy to hear that you are working. 455 00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:57,307 I am also working. 456 00:32:57,408 --> 00:33:01,678 A dress designer I know got a gorgeous seven-room apartment 457 00:33:01,779 --> 00:33:03,747 next to the Hotel Pierre. 458 00:33:03,848 --> 00:33:06,216 He's the one I'm working for. 459 00:33:06,317 --> 00:33:08,318 Always, your friend, Billy. 460 00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:16,526 Billy Baker, Daphne, and Josephine, 461 00:33:16,627 --> 00:33:17,928 we were joined at the hip. 462 00:33:20,898 --> 00:33:21,965 We found each other. 463 00:33:23,334 --> 00:33:24,768 We found each other. 464 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:34,144 We found where we all belonged, and we belonged together. 465 00:33:36,881 --> 00:33:39,316 ACTOR AS BILLY BAKER: Well, enough dishing for now. 466 00:33:39,384 --> 00:33:42,319 I'm putting a picture of Josephine in this letter. 467 00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:45,889 I hope that you receive it and someone doesn't mop on it. 468 00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:47,657 Your friend always, Billy. 469 00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:51,728 Oh my gosh. 470 00:33:54,932 --> 00:33:55,999 That's Josephine. 471 00:34:01,105 --> 00:34:06,777 I did his hair, the wig for this dress. 472 00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:12,582 He stood there, and it was nude chiffon with beads on it, 473 00:34:12,683 --> 00:34:18,221 a few beads on it, and white draped over the breasts, 474 00:34:18,322 --> 00:34:22,559 over the hips, and over the ass, and strategically 475 00:34:22,660 --> 00:34:26,630 placed so that you couldn't really quite 476 00:34:26,731 --> 00:34:28,565 see what you needed to see. 477 00:34:30,101 --> 00:34:31,968 Josephine, oh my God. 478 00:34:44,348 --> 00:34:46,249 I think it was [inaudible] apartment. 479 00:34:48,586 --> 00:34:50,921 You must always remember that when you're dealing 480 00:34:51,022 --> 00:34:53,824 with drag queens in situations like this, 481 00:34:53,925 --> 00:34:55,258 they can't dress at home. 482 00:34:57,995 --> 00:35:05,435 Him with his Spanish father seeing his son walk out, no. 483 00:35:08,739 --> 00:35:10,040 Not happening. 484 00:35:23,921 --> 00:35:28,825 TERRY: I was born in the east in a very small 485 00:35:28,926 --> 00:35:36,926 town with a population of 350. 486 00:35:37,735 --> 00:35:39,803 I never felt good about myself. 487 00:35:39,904 --> 00:35:44,474 I can remember being embarrassed, terribly 488 00:35:44,575 --> 00:35:49,246 embarrassed and hating myself because I 489 00:35:49,347 --> 00:35:50,547 wasn't like my brothers. 490 00:35:54,752 --> 00:36:00,023 When you grow up and you have a father who 491 00:36:00,124 --> 00:36:02,559 says to you that you're worthless, 492 00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:03,860 you're never going to be anything, 493 00:36:03,961 --> 00:36:05,829 you're never going to have a life, what are you? 494 00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:06,830 Who are you? 495 00:36:06,931 --> 00:36:08,231 I don't know you, I wish you'd never 496 00:36:08,332 --> 00:36:10,467 been born, blah, blah, blah... 497 00:36:10,568 --> 00:36:12,702 If you're told that long enough as a child, 498 00:36:12,803 --> 00:36:13,737 you start to believe it. 499 00:36:17,975 --> 00:36:21,444 I've always hated myself to the point 500 00:36:21,546 --> 00:36:28,151 that it kills my desire to do well. 501 00:36:28,252 --> 00:36:30,620 It sort of plays off on that. 502 00:36:30,721 --> 00:36:37,127 It sort of says, well, you're not good enough to do this. 503 00:36:37,228 --> 00:36:39,029 You'll never... why are you doing this? 504 00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:40,397 There's no point in that. 505 00:36:40,498 --> 00:36:42,966 You have to fight that, or I had to fight that all the time 506 00:36:43,067 --> 00:36:47,871 constantly regardless of whether I was in drag or out, 507 00:36:47,972 --> 00:36:51,141 you know, because I didn't feel worthy. 508 00:36:51,242 --> 00:36:53,043 That's the word I'm looking for. 509 00:36:53,144 --> 00:36:56,012 I never felt worthy of anything. 510 00:37:01,252 --> 00:37:04,321 And whether it had anything at all to do with my deciding 511 00:37:04,422 --> 00:37:07,257 to have the transition, I don't know. 512 00:37:07,358 --> 00:37:08,959 I'm not smart enough to know that. 513 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:12,929 There. 514 00:37:15,566 --> 00:37:18,668 Not bad for an old man of 98... 515 00:37:18,769 --> 00:37:21,471 I'm not 98 for Christ's sake. 516 00:37:21,572 --> 00:37:22,739 What am I? 517 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,277 1990... I was born 1924. 518 00:37:27,378 --> 00:37:28,078 How old am I? 519 00:37:30,982 --> 00:37:32,449 Still got beautiful legs, though. 520 00:37:36,287 --> 00:37:37,854 You realize how old am I? 521 00:37:37,955 --> 00:37:40,590 1924, quick. 522 00:37:40,691 --> 00:37:42,092 94. 523 00:37:42,193 --> 00:37:43,360 And I've lived here 64. 524 00:37:45,096 --> 00:37:48,098 And the landlord says when is that old son of a bitch 525 00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:49,666 going to kick the bucket? because he 526 00:37:49,767 --> 00:37:50,734 wants to get more money. 527 00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:57,007 Don't you think that $256 a month is not fair? 528 00:38:07,151 --> 00:38:10,654 Tish, to me, is a nickname because my last name 529 00:38:10,755 --> 00:38:11,621 is Tischette. 530 00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:15,659 So then when I was working the nightclubs, 531 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,827 they said, oh, use Tish. 532 00:38:17,928 --> 00:38:19,596 You're going to wind up using it anyway. 533 00:38:25,936 --> 00:38:28,004 I'm from Connecticut. 534 00:38:28,105 --> 00:38:31,808 I've got two sisters and four brothers 535 00:38:31,909 --> 00:38:33,610 who are French Canadian. 536 00:38:33,711 --> 00:38:37,280 [french] 537 00:38:37,381 --> 00:38:39,849 First of all, I'm the oldest one. 538 00:38:39,950 --> 00:38:42,819 When my father died, he left me with five 539 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,522 brothers and sisters younger than me, 540 00:38:45,623 --> 00:38:46,923 which meant I brought them up. 541 00:38:50,494 --> 00:38:55,231 And they all got married and got lovely children and everything. 542 00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:56,199 I'm Uncle Joe. 543 00:38:57,768 --> 00:38:58,601 Hey, Uncle Joe. 544 00:38:58,703 --> 00:39:00,303 I said, where? 545 00:39:00,404 --> 00:39:03,840 And they say, oh, stop now because they've all seen me. 546 00:39:03,941 --> 00:39:07,344 You know, they know what Uncle Joe does or did because I've 547 00:39:07,445 --> 00:39:09,546 seen them in the audience, and they've come to the audience 548 00:39:09,647 --> 00:39:10,347 to see me. 549 00:39:13,417 --> 00:39:18,154 ACTOR AS DAPHNE: Josephine got me all hopped up on drag again. 550 00:39:18,255 --> 00:39:21,591 We were having coffee at the Waldorf about 4 o'clock. 551 00:39:21,692 --> 00:39:24,194 And some butch-looking rube comes over 552 00:39:24,295 --> 00:39:28,765 and asks us if we know where you can get big-sized high heels. 553 00:39:30,701 --> 00:39:33,770 Well, that immediately set the drag ball rolling. 554 00:39:33,871 --> 00:39:37,006 We were sitting with this psychiatrist we met in the bar, 555 00:39:37,108 --> 00:39:39,175 much the eyeglass number. 556 00:39:39,276 --> 00:39:42,712 He's making a study of characters like ourselves. 557 00:39:42,813 --> 00:39:44,114 Very nice, though. 558 00:39:44,215 --> 00:39:46,149 Bought us drinks and everything. 559 00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:48,718 He was giving us the whole dish on the gay scene 560 00:39:48,819 --> 00:39:50,920 and the old Greek times. 561 00:39:51,021 --> 00:39:53,723 I'm sure I was born in the wrong era. 562 00:39:53,824 --> 00:39:56,059 I think I would have mapped much more in a toga than 563 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,527 in nell pink tea pants. 564 00:39:59,663 --> 00:40:01,798 The scene was really on in those days. 565 00:40:03,701 --> 00:40:05,335 As always, Daphne. 566 00:40:09,373 --> 00:40:11,775 The drag scene in the 1950s in New York would 567 00:40:11,876 --> 00:40:14,310 have largely been private parties, which 568 00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:15,979 were high-risk activities. 569 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,948 Could have easily and were frequently raided. 570 00:40:19,049 --> 00:40:21,050 I mean if you're just going to make too much noise 571 00:40:21,152 --> 00:40:24,320 or if your neighbor saw these oddly dressed people coming 572 00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:26,623 up and down the stairs, right? 573 00:40:26,724 --> 00:40:29,926 In bars and clubs, the clubs it was happening in 574 00:40:30,027 --> 00:40:32,262 were primarily heterosexual clubs 575 00:40:32,363 --> 00:40:35,231 that were protected by what the old-time performers called 576 00:40:35,332 --> 00:40:36,032 the boys. 577 00:40:38,402 --> 00:40:40,470 There's something we call a gay tax, 578 00:40:40,571 --> 00:40:44,274 and the gay tax is because it is so desired. 579 00:40:44,375 --> 00:40:45,108 You pay more. 580 00:40:46,877 --> 00:40:48,545 So there was a heck of a lot of money 581 00:40:48,646 --> 00:40:51,815 to be made in opening and running these gay bars 582 00:40:51,916 --> 00:40:54,517 and also showcase places like the 82. 583 00:40:56,921 --> 00:40:59,889 But it was illicit money, so who does that? 584 00:40:59,990 --> 00:41:00,757 The mafia. 585 00:41:10,167 --> 00:41:12,802 No, when I came to New York, I went to work in a nightclub 586 00:41:12,903 --> 00:41:16,339 called the Moroccan Village, which was on 8th Street 587 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,107 and owned by the mafia. 588 00:41:20,945 --> 00:41:23,646 When I used to work in the club and I sit back there 589 00:41:23,747 --> 00:41:25,882 and I look in the back and I would see two or three 590 00:41:25,983 --> 00:41:29,219 guys sitting with the owner, they were either the police 591 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,722 department or they were guys from the mafia 592 00:41:32,823 --> 00:41:36,192 because the mafia had their hands in everything. 593 00:41:38,562 --> 00:41:40,063 As long as they're treated as well 594 00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:42,832 and they were content with us, we were content with them. 595 00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:45,368 Well, we had to be content with them, but you know. 596 00:41:47,571 --> 00:41:52,242 I think the mob saw it as an easy money-making scheme 597 00:41:52,343 --> 00:41:55,512 because they didn't overpay us. 598 00:41:55,613 --> 00:41:57,046 You may be sure of that. 599 00:41:58,549 --> 00:42:03,253 And I think it was a good match because the gay people were 600 00:42:03,354 --> 00:42:06,523 easy to control, really, I would think, 601 00:42:06,624 --> 00:42:10,059 more so than an ordinary group, wouldn't you say? 602 00:42:32,016 --> 00:42:34,751 JOE E. JEFFREYS: There are certain performers today 603 00:42:34,852 --> 00:42:37,520 who were around in the '50s and '60s 604 00:42:37,621 --> 00:42:40,823 who still get very upset if you call drag queens. 605 00:42:40,925 --> 00:42:42,792 I was not a drag queen. 606 00:42:42,893 --> 00:42:44,661 I was a female impersonator. 607 00:42:44,762 --> 00:42:46,563 I was a female mimic. 608 00:42:46,664 --> 00:42:49,632 I was a female illusionist. 609 00:42:49,733 --> 00:42:52,135 A drag queen was somebody who walked around 610 00:42:52,269 --> 00:42:55,572 the street in a dress and may have been turning 611 00:42:55,673 --> 00:42:57,407 tricks or whatever, right? 612 00:42:57,508 --> 00:43:02,478 A female illusionist, female impersonator, a female mimic 613 00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:03,279 was an artist. 614 00:43:04,748 --> 00:43:07,050 GEORGE: Glamorous female impersonators... 615 00:43:07,151 --> 00:43:08,952 It was high gloves. 616 00:43:09,053 --> 00:43:10,086 It was boas. 617 00:43:10,187 --> 00:43:11,354 It was furs. 618 00:43:11,455 --> 00:43:13,222 It was heavy, chunky jewelry. 619 00:43:14,892 --> 00:43:15,925 You're a vocalist. 620 00:43:16,026 --> 00:43:17,794 You're a stripper. 621 00:43:17,895 --> 00:43:19,796 You had a craft that you had perfected. 622 00:43:21,932 --> 00:43:24,233 ROBERT: I don't like the word drag queen, actually. 623 00:43:24,335 --> 00:43:26,736 It was a detrimental term to me from the beginning. 624 00:43:26,837 --> 00:43:30,273 And I use it myself now, and I still don't like it, 625 00:43:30,374 --> 00:43:31,374 but everybody else does. 626 00:43:31,475 --> 00:43:33,977 So if it's acceptable, I'll use it, you know, 627 00:43:34,078 --> 00:43:36,879 if it makes you understand more what I'm talking about. 628 00:43:39,083 --> 00:43:40,883 I always call myself a femme mimic. 629 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,287 A female impersonator got paid. 630 00:43:45,623 --> 00:43:47,390 We didn't get paid. 631 00:43:47,491 --> 00:43:49,892 Nobody gave us a dime. 632 00:43:49,994 --> 00:43:51,027 This was a freebie. 633 00:43:52,396 --> 00:43:57,133 Whatever drag we were wearing we stole. 634 00:44:00,270 --> 00:44:01,037 That's it. 635 00:44:02,606 --> 00:44:03,306 We stole them. 636 00:44:04,875 --> 00:44:08,678 [music playing] 637 00:45:20,584 --> 00:45:21,284 Let's see. 638 00:45:31,095 --> 00:45:33,763 [laughter] 639 00:45:35,365 --> 00:45:38,034 JAMES: Somebody told me about the 82 Club. 640 00:45:38,135 --> 00:45:40,937 And I auditioned, and they hired me. 641 00:45:41,038 --> 00:45:42,472 And then they told me I'd have to get 642 00:45:42,573 --> 00:45:48,311 a gimmick because I had a little bulge in my [inaudible].. 643 00:45:57,054 --> 00:45:59,555 GEORGE: It was a very plush, lush nightclub 644 00:45:59,656 --> 00:46:01,124 down on the Lower East Side. 645 00:46:01,225 --> 00:46:03,392 And it was a very nondescript opening. 646 00:46:03,494 --> 00:46:08,331 It was just a canopy over a double door with stairs 647 00:46:08,432 --> 00:46:10,099 that went downstairs. 648 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,667 It just goes way down. 649 00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:13,569 It just seems like they go forever. 650 00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:14,937 And you are in a basement. 651 00:46:16,507 --> 00:46:19,642 GEORGE: And once you went down the stairs, you had to walk 652 00:46:19,743 --> 00:46:21,911 into the club to see the stage. 653 00:46:22,012 --> 00:46:25,047 And the stage was sort of raised 654 00:46:25,149 --> 00:46:27,183 up in the middle of all this. 655 00:46:38,929 --> 00:46:41,264 Fabulous, it really was. 656 00:46:41,365 --> 00:46:45,301 They did about 10 acts, and it was a funny show. 657 00:46:45,402 --> 00:46:47,103 The place was packed. 658 00:46:47,204 --> 00:46:49,539 TERRY: And there were four dressing rooms, two 659 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,741 large ones and too small ones. 660 00:46:53,177 --> 00:46:54,744 You know, you would just come in and put on your makeup 661 00:46:54,845 --> 00:46:56,813 and get in your costume and wait for the show to start. 662 00:46:58,448 --> 00:47:01,818 We would walk up ramps behind a closed curtain, 663 00:47:01,919 --> 00:47:05,121 and when the overture would play, the curtains would open, 664 00:47:05,222 --> 00:47:06,689 and then the number would start. 665 00:47:23,874 --> 00:47:27,743 GEORGE: It was girls, drag queens, and butch lesbians. 666 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,982 The butch lesbians were the waiters in the nightclub. 667 00:47:33,083 --> 00:47:35,117 The real girls were in the show. 668 00:47:35,219 --> 00:47:38,321 Then the rest were drag queens. 669 00:47:38,422 --> 00:47:40,957 And we used our own singing voices. 670 00:47:41,058 --> 00:47:44,360 If we sang like this, you raised it an octave or two 671 00:47:44,461 --> 00:47:46,195 and sang like that. 672 00:47:46,296 --> 00:47:48,764 GEORGE: You had to be a live performer. 673 00:47:48,866 --> 00:47:50,666 You were not allowed to lip sync. 674 00:47:50,767 --> 00:47:53,703 You were not allowed to impersonate 675 00:47:53,804 --> 00:47:55,371 another live performer. 676 00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:04,647 JOE E. JEFFREYS: There's a long list of celebrities 677 00:48:04,748 --> 00:48:06,249 that came to the 82. 678 00:48:06,350 --> 00:48:08,084 You can hardly name somebody who wasn't 679 00:48:08,185 --> 00:48:09,151 there at one time or another. 680 00:48:13,490 --> 00:48:17,760 TERRY: Liz Taylor, Richard Burton, Warren Beatty. 681 00:48:17,861 --> 00:48:22,031 HENRY: Natalie Wood and Debbie Reynolds. 682 00:48:22,132 --> 00:48:23,599 I mean, the Gabors came in. 683 00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:25,668 The Kennedys came in. 684 00:48:25,769 --> 00:48:28,237 TERRY: Judy, of course, was there. 685 00:48:28,338 --> 00:48:30,706 Salvador Dali would come in and do 686 00:48:30,807 --> 00:48:36,178 sketches on napkins and send them in the back to Ella-Funt. 687 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,980 And Ella-Funt would go, oh, what is this shit? 688 00:48:38,081 --> 00:48:39,482 She'd throw it and throw it the garbage can. 689 00:48:39,583 --> 00:48:42,218 She must have thrown away over 200 Salvador Dali sketches. 690 00:49:14,251 --> 00:49:16,752 GEORGE: Adrian was a show stopper. 691 00:49:16,853 --> 00:49:19,121 I mean, when she concocted that act 692 00:49:19,222 --> 00:49:22,591 and brought out the head of St. John the Baptist on a platter, 693 00:49:22,693 --> 00:49:23,526 people went insane. 694 00:49:23,627 --> 00:49:26,329 [applause] 695 00:49:28,298 --> 00:49:30,566 The audience was not very gay. 696 00:49:30,667 --> 00:49:33,035 It was all, like, tourists. 697 00:49:33,136 --> 00:49:34,437 The people that were coming to the shows 698 00:49:34,538 --> 00:49:35,371 were your mom and dad. 699 00:49:37,307 --> 00:49:40,543 They were heterosexual couples, by and large. 700 00:49:40,644 --> 00:49:42,611 They would bring through literally tour buses. 701 00:49:47,384 --> 00:49:50,519 It was just people had heard about this hootsie show 702 00:49:50,620 --> 00:49:53,622 where the women were all men. 703 00:49:53,724 --> 00:49:55,624 And the economics of that had to do 704 00:49:55,726 --> 00:50:00,196 with straight people on a night out gawking at gay people. 705 00:50:00,297 --> 00:50:01,664 HOST: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. 706 00:50:01,765 --> 00:50:02,598 Mr. Ty Bennett. 707 00:50:02,666 --> 00:50:03,532 [applause] 708 00:50:03,633 --> 00:50:04,867 TY BENNETT: I'm quite sure you know 709 00:50:04,968 --> 00:50:06,569 your reputations were shot to hell the minute 710 00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:08,004 you came in this joint. 711 00:50:08,105 --> 00:50:09,405 So now that you're here, relax and enjoy 712 00:50:09,506 --> 00:50:11,173 it or we'll lock the doors and make you one of us 713 00:50:11,274 --> 00:50:12,274 or just make you. 714 00:50:12,376 --> 00:50:13,376 I think that's what the hell you all need. 715 00:50:13,477 --> 00:50:14,176 I'm not sure. 716 00:50:14,277 --> 00:50:15,011 You know what they say. 717 00:50:15,112 --> 00:50:17,313 If you can't lick 'em join em. 718 00:50:17,414 --> 00:50:19,081 I licked them and I joined them, and here I am. 719 00:50:19,182 --> 00:50:21,150 [laughter] 720 00:50:21,251 --> 00:50:25,121 It was hard to watch because the drag queens would circulate 721 00:50:25,222 --> 00:50:28,224 in the crowd at certain points in the show, 722 00:50:28,325 --> 00:50:31,427 and the guys much more than the women... the guys were like, 723 00:50:31,528 --> 00:50:33,362 [gasp], don't touch me. 724 00:50:33,463 --> 00:50:36,565 You know, I mean, very visceral kind 725 00:50:36,666 --> 00:50:42,905 of reactions where you could see the stigma in the air. 726 00:50:43,006 --> 00:50:43,739 You know, it was visible. 727 00:50:45,842 --> 00:50:48,644 So it was a performance by stigmatized people 728 00:50:48,745 --> 00:50:52,114 for the normals. 729 00:50:58,321 --> 00:51:03,359 In spite of being mob run, we all felt rather protected. 730 00:51:05,529 --> 00:51:07,296 ESTHER NEWTON: It was a way for them to survive. 731 00:51:07,397 --> 00:51:11,067 I mean, survival in this world was a big deal. 732 00:51:11,168 --> 00:51:12,802 It wasn't something you could take for granted. 733 00:51:14,371 --> 00:51:17,406 TERRY: The general manager at the 82 Club 734 00:51:17,507 --> 00:51:19,542 who was Pete Petillo. 735 00:51:19,643 --> 00:51:22,044 His sister was Anna. 736 00:51:22,145 --> 00:51:25,448 She was married to Vito Genovese. 737 00:51:25,549 --> 00:51:27,216 GEORGE: Who I later found out was the head of the mob 738 00:51:27,317 --> 00:51:29,285 of New York and New Jersey. 739 00:51:29,386 --> 00:51:30,553 It was Anna's club. 740 00:51:32,823 --> 00:51:35,458 TERRY: Anna was a very nice person. 741 00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:38,194 She and I got along very well together, 742 00:51:38,295 --> 00:51:40,696 and she did good things for me. 743 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,267 I tried to be a gay man. 744 00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:49,105 I couldn't be a gay man because I didn't... 745 00:51:51,041 --> 00:51:54,143 I wasn't attracted to gay men sexually. 746 00:51:56,980 --> 00:52:02,885 So I thought, well, then let's do this transition 747 00:52:02,986 --> 00:52:04,520 because that's the only way you're 748 00:52:04,621 --> 00:52:07,456 going to have any peace in your life in the years to come. 749 00:52:09,759 --> 00:52:11,727 I had been at the 82 for a couple of years 750 00:52:11,828 --> 00:52:16,332 before I even started thinking about making my transition. 751 00:52:18,168 --> 00:52:24,240 And I didn't feel like I could afford to go to the transgender 752 00:52:24,341 --> 00:52:26,142 guru of the time. 753 00:52:26,243 --> 00:52:28,444 And apparently I told that to Anna 754 00:52:28,545 --> 00:52:31,680 because she said, well, I'll send you to my personal doctor. 755 00:52:33,550 --> 00:52:35,151 He's over in Brooklyn. 756 00:52:35,252 --> 00:52:36,552 I'll send you over there. 757 00:52:38,455 --> 00:52:42,258 I went, and he treated me for 18 months. 758 00:52:42,359 --> 00:52:46,695 And he would give me a shot once a week 759 00:52:46,796 --> 00:52:51,734 and give me the pills you take every day, 760 00:52:51,835 --> 00:52:54,270 and he didn't charge me a cent. 761 00:52:54,371 --> 00:52:57,139 Not only that, he arranged for my surgery. 762 00:52:59,709 --> 00:53:03,245 I took two years of thinking about it. 763 00:53:03,346 --> 00:53:06,215 I took the hormones for 18 months 764 00:53:06,316 --> 00:53:09,919 before I decided whether to do it or not. 765 00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:14,456 You see, there were some who thought, you know, 766 00:53:14,558 --> 00:53:18,160 that it was just the worst thing you could do because they 767 00:53:18,261 --> 00:53:23,532 called it self-mutilation, and they dug up 768 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,768 words like that to describe it. 769 00:53:25,869 --> 00:53:32,441 But I thought, yeah, maybe, but it's going to allow 770 00:53:32,542 --> 00:53:34,843 me to have the life I want. 771 00:53:34,945 --> 00:53:37,413 So to me, it's not mutilation. 772 00:53:37,514 --> 00:53:45,514 It's rearrangement so that I can live my life as I wish. 773 00:53:56,266 --> 00:53:59,902 ACTOR AS DAPHNE: February 7, 1958. 774 00:54:00,003 --> 00:54:01,904 Reno Zambambansteen. 775 00:54:03,607 --> 00:54:07,142 Well, here's Hedda again giving you the latest dish. 776 00:54:07,244 --> 00:54:10,379 This lady is a tramp, but unlike the song, 777 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,183 she does dish the dirt with the rest of the girls. 778 00:54:14,284 --> 00:54:16,518 There's a young ex-Marine beauty working 779 00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:18,520 here out on the platform. 780 00:54:18,622 --> 00:54:20,055 I think he digs me. 781 00:54:20,156 --> 00:54:22,491 He's staring at me right now. 782 00:54:22,592 --> 00:54:26,061 Maybe it's the paint I'm wearing, full face. 783 00:54:26,162 --> 00:54:28,430 He said hello today when he came in. 784 00:54:28,531 --> 00:54:29,231 I nearly fainted. 785 00:54:30,634 --> 00:54:32,635 I thought he didn't like me. 786 00:54:32,736 --> 00:54:34,270 As always, Daphne. 787 00:54:41,344 --> 00:54:43,979 A lot of other more gender-conforming gay people 788 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,748 were kind of horrified that all straight 789 00:54:45,849 --> 00:54:48,017 people would think this is what all gay people were like. 790 00:54:49,386 --> 00:54:50,919 REPORTER: What do other homosexuals think 791 00:54:51,021 --> 00:54:53,088 about the so-called queens? 792 00:54:53,223 --> 00:54:54,957 What are their feelings about themselves 793 00:54:55,058 --> 00:54:56,058 and their place in society? 794 00:54:58,295 --> 00:55:00,696 We think the swish or the queen 795 00:55:00,797 --> 00:55:03,932 represents actually a small minority within 796 00:55:04,034 --> 00:55:06,602 the whole homosexual grouping. 797 00:55:06,703 --> 00:55:10,506 But to the public, this is the stereotyped view 798 00:55:10,607 --> 00:55:13,575 or picture by which all homosexuals are judged, 799 00:55:13,677 --> 00:55:14,376 it seems. 800 00:55:15,745 --> 00:55:18,547 These people actually, in most cases, 801 00:55:18,648 --> 00:55:22,184 are not even liked by the rest of their homosexual brethren 802 00:55:22,285 --> 00:55:25,921 because they have perhaps rejected themselves, 803 00:55:26,022 --> 00:55:28,757 and they feel that society has rejected them. 804 00:55:30,727 --> 00:55:33,162 Drag queens were revered and reviled. 805 00:55:34,597 --> 00:55:38,334 It was a form of embodiment of what gay people loved 806 00:55:38,435 --> 00:55:41,337 about being gay and what people hated 807 00:55:41,438 --> 00:55:43,839 themselves for about being gay. 808 00:55:45,608 --> 00:55:46,475 ACTOR AS CHARLIE: Dear Reno... 809 00:55:48,178 --> 00:55:50,346 As you must know by now, Jo and I have not 810 00:55:50,447 --> 00:55:52,281 been seeing much of each other. 811 00:55:52,382 --> 00:55:54,616 When we do, it's on the sneak. 812 00:55:54,684 --> 00:55:57,152 Her sister and brother caught us at the diner one night, 813 00:55:57,253 --> 00:56:00,622 and they both laid Jo out about being seen with me. 814 00:56:00,724 --> 00:56:05,194 She told Jo to stay away from me because I look like a girl. 815 00:56:05,295 --> 00:56:08,564 So now when I call, I have to give a phony name. 816 00:56:08,665 --> 00:56:10,265 Your friend always, Charlie. 817 00:56:55,545 --> 00:56:58,747 [italian singing] 818 00:57:31,748 --> 00:57:33,882 ACTOR: Jerry's in jail for four months. 819 00:57:33,983 --> 00:57:36,618 She was caught in drag at the Wagon Wheel. 820 00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:38,253 Her friend Shelly was working there 821 00:57:38,354 --> 00:57:40,055 in drag as the hatcheck girl. 822 00:57:40,156 --> 00:57:41,857 She's that pale redhead. 823 00:57:41,958 --> 00:57:43,158 Remember her? 824 00:57:43,259 --> 00:57:45,194 She's always in the can too. 825 00:57:45,295 --> 00:57:47,362 The cops had known Jerry. 826 00:57:47,464 --> 00:57:49,064 She was sitting at a table with Shelly 827 00:57:49,165 --> 00:57:50,933 when the bulls pinched her. 828 00:57:51,034 --> 00:57:53,202 They never knew a girlfriend was a fraud too. 829 00:57:54,737 --> 00:57:55,971 Poor Jerry. 830 00:57:56,072 --> 00:57:57,005 She'll be out in the spring. 831 00:59:38,241 --> 00:59:42,511 Choosing to even temporarily give up the power that 832 00:59:42,612 --> 00:59:47,916 was invested in them by being born men was huge, 833 00:59:48,017 --> 00:59:52,955 but it also kind of challenged the whole concept 834 00:59:53,056 --> 00:59:53,889 of patriarchy. 835 00:59:55,291 --> 01:00:02,197 When girls take on boys roles, we call them tomboys, 836 01:00:02,298 --> 01:00:04,032 and we admire them. 837 01:00:04,133 --> 01:00:07,235 But the boy who is a sissy is always stigmatized, 838 01:00:07,337 --> 01:00:09,905 and it has something to do with stepping 839 01:00:10,006 --> 01:00:15,043 out of a role that is associated with a certain kind 840 01:00:15,144 --> 01:00:15,844 of privilege. 841 01:00:15,945 --> 01:00:16,878 Why would you do that? 842 01:00:16,980 --> 01:00:17,679 You must be sick. 843 01:00:19,882 --> 01:00:21,583 And I think that for many Americans, 844 01:00:21,684 --> 01:00:25,954 that was very disturbing, and the evidence is 845 01:00:26,055 --> 01:00:28,523 its association or its understanding as a kind 846 01:00:28,625 --> 01:00:31,560 of pathology, a mental illness. 847 01:00:35,865 --> 01:00:40,535 They shipped me to a place called Bellevue Hospital. 848 01:00:43,239 --> 01:00:45,273 By then I was closing in on 16. 849 01:00:47,043 --> 01:00:55,043 And they put me in a place called PQ5, the whacko ward, 850 01:00:55,284 --> 01:00:56,618 because I was gay. 851 01:01:06,095 --> 01:01:10,165 And every day I had to have a sit-down session 852 01:01:10,266 --> 01:01:14,603 with the shrink, and all they wanted to do 853 01:01:14,704 --> 01:01:15,537 is get their paycheck. 854 01:01:17,173 --> 01:01:20,475 Well, why did you run away, blah, blah, blah, blah? 855 01:01:20,576 --> 01:01:22,711 Because I wasn't having a whole lot of fun 856 01:01:22,812 --> 01:01:24,413 being beaten up every day. 857 01:01:24,514 --> 01:01:25,213 That's why. 858 01:01:27,917 --> 01:01:35,857 They finally released me because after a certain point, 859 01:01:35,958 --> 01:01:37,092 they can't keep you. 860 01:01:37,193 --> 01:01:39,461 I haven't done anything but run away. 861 01:01:41,230 --> 01:01:46,168 The only phone number I could remember was Bobby Perez. 862 01:01:46,269 --> 01:01:48,303 Bobby Perez was Josephine Baker. 863 01:01:50,973 --> 01:01:51,973 Tell me where to meet you. 864 01:01:52,075 --> 01:01:54,276 She said, tell me where to meet you. 865 01:01:54,377 --> 01:01:57,979 And I hooked up again with Josephine and with Daphne 866 01:01:58,081 --> 01:02:03,752 and with Billy Baker, and then I started 867 01:02:03,853 --> 01:02:08,423 turning tricks because I had no other source of income. 868 01:02:13,496 --> 01:02:14,963 So I had to. 869 01:02:15,064 --> 01:02:19,234 It was a matter of, well, do you want to be hungry or you 870 01:02:19,335 --> 01:02:20,669 do not want to be hungry? 871 01:02:20,770 --> 01:02:21,470 Pick one. 872 01:02:23,673 --> 01:02:26,408 And then I found out that I could make lots 873 01:02:26,509 --> 01:02:30,312 more money if I did it in drag. 874 01:02:37,653 --> 01:02:40,355 ACTOR: Claudia's back on the scene with Josephine. 875 01:02:40,456 --> 01:02:45,460 They mopped four paste-ons from the Metropolitan Opera House. 876 01:02:45,561 --> 01:02:48,530 They sold one to Terry, one to Ricky from Brooklyn, 877 01:02:48,631 --> 01:02:50,065 and kept the other two. 878 01:02:57,774 --> 01:02:58,473 Oh. 879 01:03:48,024 --> 01:03:49,558 ACTOR AS JOSEPHINE BAKER: Dear René... 880 01:03:49,659 --> 01:03:52,694 Well, the latest seed was that Claudia 881 01:03:52,795 --> 01:03:55,430 and I mopped at the Met. 882 01:03:55,531 --> 01:03:56,832 Ha! 883 01:03:56,933 --> 01:04:00,635 35 paste-ons, all gorgeous... white, 884 01:04:00,736 --> 01:04:03,972 red, brown, black, every color you 885 01:04:04,073 --> 01:04:05,874 could think of, the end wigs. 886 01:04:07,376 --> 01:04:10,078 There's a white one that's down to the ass. 887 01:04:10,146 --> 01:04:13,849 Most of them flew already for $75 or $50. 888 01:04:13,950 --> 01:04:17,552 I have a blonde paste-on ponytail that's fab. 889 01:04:17,653 --> 01:04:19,054 Ah! 890 01:04:19,155 --> 01:04:21,890 Well, I'm going to bed now, so write soon. 891 01:04:21,991 --> 01:04:22,691 Good night. 892 01:04:22,792 --> 01:04:23,825 Josephine Baker. 893 01:04:25,795 --> 01:04:28,597 PS... burn this letter please. 894 01:04:28,698 --> 01:04:29,998 That Met scene was in the papers. 895 01:04:31,634 --> 01:04:32,334 Don't dish. 896 01:04:34,704 --> 01:04:37,072 We were working again at Loew's State on Broadway, 897 01:04:37,173 --> 01:04:39,875 and Josephine Baker came backstage with another queen 898 01:04:39,976 --> 01:04:43,211 named Claudia with this bag of wigs, 899 01:04:43,312 --> 01:04:46,848 beautiful lace-front wigs, which are the most 900 01:04:46,949 --> 01:04:48,283 expensive kind of wigs. 901 01:04:51,621 --> 01:04:53,622 So a lot of the people in the show 902 01:04:53,723 --> 01:04:56,291 bought wigs because they were expensive wigs 903 01:04:56,392 --> 01:04:57,759 selling for much less. 904 01:04:59,095 --> 01:05:02,564 You could buy, you know, $1,000 wig for $70. 905 01:05:02,665 --> 01:05:04,532 So we immediately... I bought one, 906 01:05:04,634 --> 01:05:06,935 Lynn Carter brought one, a few of the other people. 907 01:05:08,337 --> 01:05:11,673 Two days later, the police come back stage. 908 01:05:33,396 --> 01:05:35,263 Of course, we didn't know where the wigs were from. 909 01:05:35,364 --> 01:05:39,634 So they arrested everyone who had bought a wig on possession 910 01:05:39,735 --> 01:05:40,502 of stolen property. 911 01:05:43,072 --> 01:05:44,172 We went to jail. 912 01:05:48,144 --> 01:05:50,946 [sirens] 913 01:05:53,015 --> 01:05:55,951 INTERVIEWER: Police have recovered 17 of the 33 wigs 914 01:05:56,052 --> 01:05:58,453 allegedly stolen from the Metropolitan Opera 915 01:05:58,554 --> 01:06:01,589 three months ago by two young men who sold them 916 01:06:01,691 --> 01:06:04,459 for fancy dress-ball adornment. 917 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:08,897 Police revealed Wednesday that the arrest of Robert Perez, 23, 918 01:06:08,998 --> 01:06:13,301 hairdresser, and Claudia Diaz, 22, a waiter, for burglary 919 01:06:13,402 --> 01:06:15,470 in connection with the wig lifting. 920 01:06:15,571 --> 01:06:17,706 According to authorities, Perez and Diaz 921 01:06:17,807 --> 01:06:20,976 heard about a gay Thanksgiving costume ball in Harlem 922 01:06:21,077 --> 01:06:25,413 and decided to get the wig concession by hook or crook. 923 01:06:25,514 --> 01:06:28,683 They gained entry into the Met by imitating ballet dancers 924 01:06:28,784 --> 01:06:32,420 arriving for a rehearsal and danced off with $3,000 925 01:06:32,521 --> 01:06:33,488 worth of headpieces. 926 01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:34,289 Yes. 927 01:06:40,196 --> 01:06:45,567 One, we did not get in with the dancers. 928 01:06:48,671 --> 01:06:51,373 They still don't know how we got in there. 929 01:06:51,474 --> 01:06:52,941 Do you have a piece of paper and a pencil? 930 01:06:55,478 --> 01:07:01,449 These were all gates, and each one of these gates 931 01:07:01,550 --> 01:07:03,084 was enormous. 932 01:07:03,185 --> 01:07:07,422 Each one had a lock, and they used to use 933 01:07:07,523 --> 01:07:10,125 these to move in scenery. 934 01:07:11,894 --> 01:07:19,894 Some idiot in this thing didn't have the brains to make sure 935 01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:27,108 that they were locked, and the one in the middle 936 01:07:27,209 --> 01:07:28,209 was left unlocked. 937 01:07:32,515 --> 01:07:34,049 And then we went up the stairs. 938 01:07:35,818 --> 01:07:41,056 And after the last steps, I was standing stage level, 939 01:07:41,157 --> 01:07:45,560 and I stepped out onto the stage of the Metropolitan Opera 940 01:07:45,661 --> 01:07:50,465 House, and I stood there looking up at that enormous chandelier, 941 01:07:50,566 --> 01:07:52,200 and I got my cookies off. 942 01:07:54,003 --> 01:07:54,702 I did. 943 01:07:54,804 --> 01:07:56,871 I got my cookies off. 944 01:07:56,972 --> 01:07:59,107 Josephine said, what are you doing? 945 01:07:59,208 --> 01:08:04,379 I said I am saving this memory. 946 01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:05,447 That's what I'm doing. 947 01:08:08,050 --> 01:08:09,918 We went upstairs one more flight, 948 01:08:10,019 --> 01:08:13,288 and it was the wig room, and I kicked the door open. 949 01:08:15,891 --> 01:08:17,759 We went out the same way we came in. 950 01:08:19,562 --> 01:08:20,261 Very simple. 951 01:08:22,331 --> 01:08:25,266 We started selling some of them, the ones that we didn't want. 952 01:08:27,803 --> 01:08:28,903 Some were in Brooklyn. 953 01:08:29,004 --> 01:08:30,305 Some were in New Jersey. 954 01:08:30,406 --> 01:08:32,140 Some were the Jewel Box Revues. 955 01:08:32,241 --> 01:08:33,908 Some were at the 82 Clubs. 956 01:08:35,744 --> 01:08:40,582 And one idiot ratting out the whole thing. 957 01:08:40,683 --> 01:08:45,453 We gave them back synthetic, cheap wigs, 958 01:08:45,554 --> 01:08:47,455 and cops didn't know the difference. 959 01:08:53,095 --> 01:08:54,863 So the best they could do was the guys 960 01:08:54,964 --> 01:09:02,737 for breaking and entering, which is a year at Rikers Island, 961 01:09:02,838 --> 01:09:04,639 which is a whole other thing. 962 01:09:09,512 --> 01:09:14,382 This wig I'm holding here was part of "Rigoletto," the opera. 963 01:09:16,719 --> 01:09:18,520 This is a 60-year-old. 964 01:09:18,621 --> 01:09:20,155 INTERVIEWER: Why do you still have it? 965 01:09:23,325 --> 01:09:29,430 Part ego, part here New York police. 966 01:09:31,167 --> 01:09:35,670 You couldn't find your way out of a closet, 967 01:09:35,771 --> 01:09:40,808 and two faggots have both outsmarted all of you, 968 01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:43,478 and you still don't know how we got in. 969 01:09:47,616 --> 01:09:50,685 ACTOR AS JOSEPHINE: October 27, 1957. 970 01:09:50,786 --> 01:09:54,455 Dear Reno... well, the ball is this Friday 971 01:09:54,557 --> 01:09:57,926 at the MacAlpin Hotel, and I don't know what to wear. 972 01:09:58,027 --> 01:10:00,228 I have a blonde wig that's the end. 973 01:10:00,329 --> 01:10:02,964 And I want to pull a blond scene with a blue dress, 974 01:10:03,065 --> 01:10:07,235 but I heard everybody will be there, so I'll wear the gold. 975 01:10:07,336 --> 01:10:09,137 Well, that's all the dish for a while. 976 01:10:09,238 --> 01:10:10,905 I have to start douching for tonight, 977 01:10:11,006 --> 01:10:12,907 and I have to cut my lashes now before I forget. 978 01:10:13,008 --> 01:10:14,909 Write me soon. 979 01:10:15,010 --> 01:10:16,878 Love always, Josephine. 980 01:10:20,516 --> 01:10:24,118 A drag ball is when a party is held 981 01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:27,322 and everybody comes dressed as the opposite sex. 982 01:10:31,827 --> 01:10:38,299 There were maybe 10 or 12 different drag balls. 983 01:10:40,769 --> 01:10:43,638 A special permit that would allow this type of thing 984 01:10:43,739 --> 01:10:46,341 to happen for one night at that venue. 985 01:10:48,143 --> 01:10:52,380 CLAUDE: And what they were were an excuse for all of us 986 01:10:52,481 --> 01:10:56,851 to get into drag, and we did. 987 01:10:59,088 --> 01:11:00,788 We took advantage of it. 988 01:11:00,889 --> 01:11:03,591 ACTOR AS CHARLIE: August 3, 1961. 989 01:11:03,692 --> 01:11:08,763 Dear Reno... well, there's two drags the same night, 990 01:11:08,864 --> 01:11:11,532 Mickey Marlowe's and Daisies. 991 01:11:11,634 --> 01:11:14,335 Marlow got a fantastic ballroom with water 992 01:11:14,436 --> 01:11:15,870 fountains and chandeliers. 993 01:11:15,971 --> 01:11:18,106 It's really gorgeous. 994 01:11:18,207 --> 01:11:21,276 Daisies got her permit already and the ballroom. 995 01:11:21,377 --> 01:11:24,612 She's not dishing yet where it's going to be. 996 01:11:24,713 --> 01:11:26,714 I'd love to make them both. 997 01:11:26,815 --> 01:11:28,316 Do you think it's possible? 998 01:11:28,417 --> 01:11:30,551 If I don't lose 30 pounds, I'm not going to none of them 999 01:11:30,653 --> 01:11:31,686 in drag. 1000 01:11:31,787 --> 01:11:33,554 I'll just go painted. 1001 01:11:33,656 --> 01:11:34,656 Love, Charlie. 1002 01:11:41,330 --> 01:11:44,532 Yeah, Dayzee Dee's Thanksgiving Eve Costume Ball. 1003 01:11:47,936 --> 01:11:55,843 My drag name is Dayzee Dee, and I ran those balls 1004 01:11:55,944 --> 01:11:57,345 for seven or eight years. 1005 01:11:59,081 --> 01:12:04,585 The very first ball, I printed 1,500 tickets. 1006 01:12:04,687 --> 01:12:09,157 I figured if we sell 600 or 700, we'll be lucky. 1007 01:12:09,258 --> 01:12:16,764 That ball, we had between 1,2000 and 1,500 the very first year. 1008 01:12:16,865 --> 01:12:20,101 GEORGE: This picture here is when we went to Dayzee 1009 01:12:20,202 --> 01:12:22,070 Dee's ball in Brooklyn. 1010 01:12:22,171 --> 01:12:25,873 That's Bubbles and me and Brandi Alexander. 1011 01:12:25,974 --> 01:12:26,841 It was a fun night. 1012 01:12:28,744 --> 01:12:31,879 TERRY: Everybody who was anybody in the drag world went. 1013 01:12:35,751 --> 01:12:36,851 LENNIE: There I am on stage. 1014 01:12:40,022 --> 01:12:42,290 This is what Billy Baker made for me. 1015 01:12:42,391 --> 01:12:43,191 That was in '62. 1016 01:12:48,464 --> 01:12:50,531 Here's Tish, me and Tish. 1017 01:12:54,970 --> 01:12:56,771 It was elegant, number one. 1018 01:12:56,872 --> 01:12:59,173 It wasn't draggy, draggy, faggy, faggy. 1019 01:13:00,642 --> 01:13:02,276 They were giving out first prizes 1020 01:13:02,378 --> 01:13:05,380 for the most beautiful wardrobe, first prize for the most 1021 01:13:05,481 --> 01:13:06,881 beautiful hairstyle. 1022 01:13:06,982 --> 01:13:08,216 Everything was elegant. 1023 01:13:09,818 --> 01:13:12,520 CLAUDE: Everybody walked around and paraded. 1024 01:13:12,621 --> 01:13:18,292 It was like somebody had opened a gigantic pair of doors 1025 01:13:18,394 --> 01:13:23,798 and threw them open, and all these crazy people 1026 01:13:23,899 --> 01:13:30,204 and the way they looked were suddenly filling... 1027 01:13:30,305 --> 01:13:34,942 Literally filling this gigantic place in drag. 1028 01:13:40,382 --> 01:13:42,450 And at the end we'd see which one we 1029 01:13:42,551 --> 01:13:44,852 would name the queen of the ball or the king of the ball 1030 01:13:44,953 --> 01:13:45,653 or whatever. 1031 01:13:47,956 --> 01:13:52,860 Terry Noel, she came to my ball and won first prize. 1032 01:13:52,961 --> 01:13:55,096 She was beautiful, very beautiful. 1033 01:13:57,833 --> 01:13:58,699 It was really fun. 1034 01:14:04,006 --> 01:14:07,475 Dayzee's drag ball was not the only drag ball. 1035 01:14:12,614 --> 01:14:15,016 GEORGE CHAUNCEY: In Harlem, there was a very vibrant 1036 01:14:15,117 --> 01:14:17,585 gay society, as they called it. 1037 01:14:17,686 --> 01:14:21,389 It was a very visible culture, especially 1038 01:14:21,490 --> 01:14:22,757 in the African American press. 1039 01:14:26,995 --> 01:14:28,663 MICHAEL HENRY ADAMS: You know, you had all these spots 1040 01:14:28,797 --> 01:14:31,065 in Harlem that were known to be patronized 1041 01:14:31,133 --> 01:14:35,570 by gays and as much gay activity in Harlem 1042 01:14:35,671 --> 01:14:37,205 as you had in Greenwich Village. 1043 01:14:38,774 --> 01:14:43,678 And the thing that struck me was the discovery 1044 01:14:43,779 --> 01:14:46,948 that the most luminous luminaries 1045 01:14:47,049 --> 01:14:49,383 of the Harlem Renaissance were all gay and lesbian. 1046 01:15:12,007 --> 01:15:13,241 ACTOR AS DAPHNE: Dear Reno... 1047 01:15:13,342 --> 01:15:16,244 All the queens are selling for Phil Black's. 1048 01:15:16,345 --> 01:15:17,979 It will be at the Rockland Palace. 1049 01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:19,547 Where else? 1050 01:15:19,648 --> 01:15:22,817 There are so many new nels in town. 1051 01:15:22,918 --> 01:15:27,255 But as Josephine says, they all fade into the crowd at a drag. 1052 01:15:27,356 --> 01:15:29,891 I'm going to paint like crazy tonight. 1053 01:15:29,992 --> 01:15:32,059 Nobody even noticed me last night. 1054 01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:33,127 Very next! 1055 01:15:33,228 --> 01:15:36,998 But tonight... As always, Daphne. 1056 01:15:49,511 --> 01:15:53,681 Phil Black was a female impersonator 1057 01:15:53,782 --> 01:15:57,251 that was kind of a celebrity in the gay world at that time. 1058 01:16:11,033 --> 01:16:13,668 And the queens started making their dress for next year 1059 01:16:13,769 --> 01:16:15,803 as soon as they got home that night. 1060 01:16:15,904 --> 01:16:18,105 It was like their life. 1061 01:16:34,489 --> 01:16:37,058 They went crackers. 1062 01:16:39,895 --> 01:16:43,164 Like we were at a move premier in Hollywood waving to us 1063 01:16:43,265 --> 01:16:44,465 and throwing kisses. 1064 01:16:44,566 --> 01:16:46,567 And there was no prejudice. 1065 01:16:46,668 --> 01:16:47,835 It was wonderful. 1066 01:16:53,041 --> 01:16:56,711 And that's one of the things that makes this so interesting 1067 01:16:56,812 --> 01:17:02,683 to me is that it is both the first time in American history 1068 01:17:02,784 --> 01:17:06,821 when you have African Americans and whites interacting 1069 01:17:06,922 --> 01:17:08,623 in a non-clandestine way. 1070 01:17:11,860 --> 01:17:15,129 This was a place where all the races mixed. 1071 01:17:17,299 --> 01:17:18,666 So this was kind of an integrated 1072 01:17:18,767 --> 01:17:19,700 space, which was unusual. 1073 01:17:22,504 --> 01:17:27,675 And it's also then one of the first instances in which 1074 01:17:27,776 --> 01:17:30,444 ordinary heterosexuals have some experience 1075 01:17:30,545 --> 01:17:35,216 of an interaction with gays without any hostile judgments. 1076 01:17:38,654 --> 01:17:42,023 CLAUDE: I felt at home, I feel, at the drag ball 1077 01:17:42,124 --> 01:17:44,759 because I was no longer the weirdo. 1078 01:17:47,396 --> 01:17:53,868 I belonged, which I had not belonged anywhere before that. 1079 01:17:57,706 --> 01:18:00,574 ACTOR AS DAPHNE: October 26, 1955. 1080 01:18:00,676 --> 01:18:04,378 Dear Reno... just a few lines to say hello 1081 01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,447 and a word or two to let you know that I haven't 1082 01:18:06,548 --> 01:18:09,083 forgotten completely about you. 1083 01:18:09,184 --> 01:18:12,520 My God, with the upcoming drag, I've been in such a spin. 1084 01:18:12,621 --> 01:18:15,656 I haven't had any time to dish or anything with you. 1085 01:18:15,757 --> 01:18:18,693 As a matter of fact, I'm very upset and a little nervous 1086 01:18:18,794 --> 01:18:20,361 about some dish I heard about myself. 1087 01:18:23,899 --> 01:18:27,535 Daphne, he had the most beautiful 1088 01:18:27,636 --> 01:18:31,439 pair of legs you have ever seen on anyone in your life. 1089 01:18:33,775 --> 01:18:37,144 I know women that would give their souls for legs like that. 1090 01:18:39,548 --> 01:18:46,587 They came up to here, and there wasn't a hair or a bump 1091 01:18:46,688 --> 01:18:50,191 or a [snort] on them anywhere. 1092 01:18:50,292 --> 01:18:50,991 They were gorgeous. 1093 01:18:53,662 --> 01:18:54,895 ACTOR AS DAPHNE: Many of the girls 1094 01:18:54,996 --> 01:18:57,531 have been saying they don't think I'll map as a blonde. 1095 01:18:57,632 --> 01:18:59,700 I'm beginning to wonder myself. 1096 01:18:59,801 --> 01:19:01,035 It is a shocking change. 1097 01:19:02,704 --> 01:19:05,940 Everything will depend on my makeup job. 1098 01:19:06,041 --> 01:19:08,776 If worse comes to worse, I'm fucking all respectability 1099 01:19:08,877 --> 01:19:11,846 and I'm shaving off my complete browettes. 1100 01:19:11,947 --> 01:19:13,881 There's nothing like that Lana Turner 1101 01:19:13,982 --> 01:19:16,150 pencil line of gorgeousness. 1102 01:19:16,251 --> 01:19:17,118 Fuck Liz Taylor. 1103 01:19:17,219 --> 01:19:19,053 I want to be a bum that night. 1104 01:19:19,154 --> 01:19:20,688 As always, Daphne. 1105 01:19:23,825 --> 01:19:27,828 He had a silver lame dress made that was like this. 1106 01:19:29,231 --> 01:19:30,898 It was also like this. 1107 01:19:32,267 --> 01:19:35,803 But on this side here hidden where you couldn't see it, 1108 01:19:35,904 --> 01:19:39,039 there was a zipper that opened up and opened... 1109 01:19:39,141 --> 01:19:42,176 Literally opened up to the hip line. 1110 01:19:42,277 --> 01:19:45,713 And he stood there, and the woman he stood... 1111 01:19:45,814 --> 01:19:47,815 Opened his legs, there were the legs. 1112 01:19:49,584 --> 01:19:56,190 And it was like, oh my God, and people would freak out, 1113 01:19:56,291 --> 01:19:57,458 and he looked fabulous. 1114 01:19:58,827 --> 01:20:03,330 He was wearing two wigs because the person who 1115 01:20:03,431 --> 01:20:10,004 was supposed to do his hair dumped him, 1116 01:20:10,105 --> 01:20:13,941 and he had everything but the hair. 1117 01:20:16,077 --> 01:20:22,583 And I wound up putting two blonde wigs on his hair, 1118 01:20:22,684 --> 01:20:24,418 the hairline showing, but... 1119 01:20:30,559 --> 01:20:38,559 With great big... and he looked amazing, absolutely amazing. 1120 01:20:42,404 --> 01:20:45,739 [music playing] 1121 01:20:53,949 --> 01:20:54,648 Oh shit. 1122 01:21:08,296 --> 01:21:08,996 Yeah. 1123 01:21:12,033 --> 01:21:12,733 Oh. 1124 01:21:14,803 --> 01:21:18,639 [crying] 1125 01:21:22,410 --> 01:21:23,077 Oh. 1126 01:21:31,086 --> 01:21:33,187 Oh shit. 1127 01:21:47,769 --> 01:21:55,769 I suddenly feel as though somebody had just stabbed me 1128 01:21:56,978 --> 01:22:04,978 because I remember that night, and I remember putting the wigs 1129 01:22:06,888 --> 01:22:11,959 on him and pinning them down, and his own hair 1130 01:22:12,060 --> 01:22:14,161 was as black as black can be. 1131 01:22:17,966 --> 01:22:18,933 Oh God. 1132 01:22:25,340 --> 01:22:30,511 I have to keep in mind that that's over. 1133 01:22:34,883 --> 01:22:37,384 That's over and finished. 1134 01:22:43,992 --> 01:22:48,896 And I'm sorry that it's over and finished, and you have no idea. 1135 01:22:59,274 --> 01:23:03,243 ACTOR AS DAPHNE: November 20, 1957. 1136 01:23:03,345 --> 01:23:07,948 Dear Reno... well, it's me again, star reporter of the New 1137 01:23:08,049 --> 01:23:10,384 York gay set rat race. 1138 01:23:10,485 --> 01:23:12,386 I'm going steady with this number Bob 1139 01:23:12,487 --> 01:23:13,988 from my neighborhood. 1140 01:23:14,089 --> 01:23:18,025 Ella, I've had numbers that dug me, numbers that featured me, 1141 01:23:18,126 --> 01:23:20,594 and others that were even bats for me, 1142 01:23:20,695 --> 01:23:23,230 but this one takes the cake. 1143 01:23:23,331 --> 01:23:25,799 He calls me constantly, and when we're together, 1144 01:23:25,900 --> 01:23:28,702 it's much kissing me every two minutes, 1145 01:23:28,803 --> 01:23:31,405 holding my hands on trains, buses, 1146 01:23:31,506 --> 01:23:35,476 movie houses, lobbies, and just about everywhere we go. 1147 01:23:35,577 --> 01:23:38,612 To put it mildly, he's demented for me. 1148 01:23:38,713 --> 01:23:40,381 Much kisses and claiming he can't 1149 01:23:40,482 --> 01:23:42,483 sleep or eat ever since we met. 1150 01:23:42,584 --> 01:23:44,485 And, Mary, I love it. 1151 01:23:44,586 --> 01:23:45,919 I never felt so cunty. 1152 01:23:47,355 --> 01:23:49,056 I actually miss him and his compliments 1153 01:23:49,157 --> 01:23:50,124 whenever he's not around. 1154 01:23:51,593 --> 01:23:55,362 He came upon me like a shot in the arm, the kind I needed. 1155 01:23:56,865 --> 01:23:58,565 As always, Daphne. 1156 01:24:52,954 --> 01:24:55,923 We all used to laugh about old age. 1157 01:24:56,024 --> 01:24:57,424 I said, don't worry. 1158 01:24:57,525 --> 01:25:00,227 I have a house in Pennsylvania. 1159 01:25:00,328 --> 01:25:04,865 Well all go there, and we can spend the rest of our lives 1160 01:25:04,966 --> 01:25:06,700 reminiscing, but we're not going to do that until we're 1161 01:25:06,801 --> 01:25:09,903 in our 70s or maybe 80s. 1162 01:25:10,004 --> 01:25:12,239 We're still going to be living in New York. 1163 01:25:15,543 --> 01:25:22,382 And then starting in 1983, I guess, the first AIDS cases. 1164 01:25:26,087 --> 01:25:28,388 MAN: Gary, Tate. 1165 01:25:36,464 --> 01:25:37,998 MAN: My friend Micah. 1166 01:25:40,568 --> 01:25:41,902 And they knew it. 1167 01:25:42,003 --> 01:25:43,036 They knew it was going to happen. 1168 01:25:50,778 --> 01:25:55,782 TERRY: Were a lot of them who did. 1169 01:25:55,884 --> 01:26:03,884 MAN: Steven, Samuel, Mike, DeRost. 1170 01:26:41,829 --> 01:26:44,131 I met Geno in New York when we were 1171 01:26:44,232 --> 01:26:46,333 at Loew's Theater on Broadway. 1172 01:26:46,434 --> 01:26:50,136 And he was in the audience several different times. 1173 01:26:50,205 --> 01:26:54,041 He sent notes back to me, and we became very good friends. 1174 01:26:56,611 --> 01:27:00,380 After I got out of the New York, I moved to San Francisco 1175 01:27:00,481 --> 01:27:05,118 with Geno, and we lived on Guererro Street 1176 01:27:05,220 --> 01:27:06,486 close to the Castro area. 1177 01:27:07,889 --> 01:27:09,256 I just loved Geno. 1178 01:27:09,357 --> 01:27:10,891 I thought he was a beautiful person. 1179 01:27:13,628 --> 01:27:18,265 Geno and I went to be tested for HIV, and we both were positive. 1180 01:27:21,936 --> 01:27:23,570 And there was no cure for it then. 1181 01:27:27,075 --> 01:27:29,543 Geno two years later died of AIDS. 1182 01:27:35,383 --> 01:27:38,518 The reason I lost my right leg, it's because of a blood clot. 1183 01:27:39,954 --> 01:27:42,289 I don't do that well on the prosthetic, 1184 01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:44,791 but I'm OK on the wheelchair, and I can get around. 1185 01:27:44,892 --> 01:27:47,494 And I still clean my own house and do my own cooking. 1186 01:27:50,331 --> 01:27:53,634 And luckily I'm still here many years afterwards. 1187 01:28:00,975 --> 01:28:02,009 (ON PHONE) OK. 1188 01:28:02,110 --> 01:28:05,212 Jerry I know is coming over on the 12:30 ferry, 1189 01:28:05,313 --> 01:28:07,347 so just whenever. 1190 01:28:07,448 --> 01:28:09,883 Whatever you want to do, just deal with it, OK? 1191 01:28:09,984 --> 01:28:10,751 MAN: (ON PHONE) All right. 1192 01:28:10,852 --> 01:28:12,786 I want... I'll shave here... 1193 01:28:12,887 --> 01:28:13,720 Yeah. 1194 01:28:13,821 --> 01:28:16,657 MAN:... and nail down my eyebrows. 1195 01:28:16,758 --> 01:28:18,825 Yeah, because everybody else is putting on the whole face 1196 01:28:18,926 --> 01:28:20,460 but carrying the wig and the clothes 1197 01:28:20,561 --> 01:28:21,528 over to the thing, whatever. 1198 01:28:35,710 --> 01:28:42,449 The summer of '68, I won Miss Fire Island 1969. 1199 01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:44,584 It'll be my 50th anniversary of winning. 1200 01:28:52,827 --> 01:28:55,996 Today, the drag queens are still drag queens, 1201 01:28:56,097 --> 01:28:58,432 and some of the older drag queens are still there, 1202 01:28:58,533 --> 01:29:00,867 and there's a younger bunch of drag queens. 1203 01:29:02,470 --> 01:29:03,370 MAN: Gorgeous. 1204 01:29:03,471 --> 01:29:04,571 [applause] 1205 01:29:04,672 --> 01:29:05,539 Nice. 1206 01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:07,341 You've got that lipstick on pretty. 1207 01:30:32,393 --> 01:30:34,795 MICHAEL HENRY ADAMS: When I first came out in Akron, Ohio, 1208 01:30:34,896 --> 01:30:37,297 I would meet all these drag queens, 1209 01:30:37,398 --> 01:30:40,367 and they all just seemed to love me. 1210 01:30:40,468 --> 01:30:44,771 And to my consternation and discredit, 1211 01:30:44,872 --> 01:30:47,574 I would be on the street, and there would be some drag queen, 1212 01:30:47,675 --> 01:30:49,376 and she would start waving at me. 1213 01:30:49,477 --> 01:30:52,045 And I would just want to sink to the sidewalk and think, 1214 01:30:52,146 --> 01:30:55,081 oh no, she's going to come over because I 1215 01:30:55,183 --> 01:31:00,287 didn't want to experience the scorn 1216 01:31:00,388 --> 01:31:03,123 of being gay by association. 1217 01:31:03,224 --> 01:31:05,592 I felt like, you know, I could hide in plain sight, 1218 01:31:05,693 --> 01:31:06,993 but these people were not hiding. 1219 01:31:12,333 --> 01:31:13,700 MC: Can you Imagine? 1220 01:31:13,801 --> 01:31:16,937 She somehow has been Miss Fire Island for 50 years, 1221 01:31:17,038 --> 01:31:18,004 but she's only 13. 1222 01:31:20,608 --> 01:31:23,477 JOE E. JEFFREYS: The queens at that point crossing the line 1223 01:31:23,578 --> 01:31:25,278 was dangerous. 1224 01:31:25,379 --> 01:31:28,348 It was against the grain of what society was telling them they 1225 01:31:28,449 --> 01:31:31,351 should do, who they should be. 1226 01:31:31,452 --> 01:31:33,420 So you have to admire their bravery 1227 01:31:33,521 --> 01:31:36,256 and courage to do such a thing, much less 1228 01:31:36,357 --> 01:31:38,091 put themselves on stage. 1229 01:31:38,192 --> 01:31:39,693 But it also tells you then how committed 1230 01:31:39,794 --> 01:31:42,863 they were to the art form, to what it was that they 1231 01:31:42,964 --> 01:31:45,365 wanted to present to the world. 1232 01:31:51,572 --> 01:31:53,106 They were performing this resistance 1233 01:31:53,207 --> 01:31:54,808 and they were making political statements 1234 01:31:54,909 --> 01:31:57,978 and they were sort of lobbying and fighting for social change 1235 01:31:58,079 --> 01:32:00,514 and for acceptance by the very fact of existing. 1236 01:32:02,149 --> 01:32:04,885 JAMES: It can't be something you want to do. 1237 01:32:04,986 --> 01:32:08,421 It has to be something you have to do. 1238 01:32:08,523 --> 01:32:13,827 It's to speak to people and say something, 1239 01:32:13,928 --> 01:32:15,428 make them see something. 1240 01:32:20,001 --> 01:32:23,670 This is the most fucked-up fucking world. 1241 01:32:23,771 --> 01:32:25,238 It's just nothing's right. 1242 01:32:26,641 --> 01:32:28,675 Nothing's right. 1243 01:32:28,776 --> 01:32:33,346 [laughter] Well, Judy was good. 1244 01:32:34,882 --> 01:32:37,884 We should throw a drag march. 1245 01:32:37,985 --> 01:32:40,887 We should throw a drag march. 1246 01:32:40,988 --> 01:32:45,559 [drums] 1247 01:32:45,660 --> 01:32:46,693 [applause] 1248 01:32:46,794 --> 01:32:49,362 MC: There are so many legends on this stage. 1249 01:32:49,463 --> 01:32:50,864 Are you ready? 1250 01:32:50,965 --> 01:32:54,334 [thunder] 1251 01:33:07,481 --> 01:33:10,650 MICHAEL HENRY ADAMS: Just to be gay in general costs something 1252 01:33:10,751 --> 01:33:13,253 and particularly in the past. 1253 01:33:13,354 --> 01:33:16,189 And the one thing that I discovered 1254 01:33:16,290 --> 01:33:18,692 was that so many people had spent 1255 01:33:18,793 --> 01:33:22,295 a lifetime hiding from most people who they really were. 1256 01:33:24,165 --> 01:33:26,666 And yet in their 80s and 90s they 1257 01:33:26,767 --> 01:33:29,636 were coming to the realization that if they 1258 01:33:29,737 --> 01:33:33,006 didn't reveal their stories to someone, 1259 01:33:33,107 --> 01:33:33,974 they would die with them. 1260 01:33:34,075 --> 01:33:36,443 (CHANTING) Gay rights! 1261 01:33:36,544 --> 01:33:37,744 NIH need us! 1262 01:33:37,845 --> 01:33:39,145 Got no... 1263 01:33:39,246 --> 01:33:43,049 We did it, and nobody gives a shit. 1264 01:33:43,150 --> 01:33:44,351 MICHAEL HENRY ADAMS: It's now or never. 1265 01:33:44,452 --> 01:33:47,454 I mean, I don't want her stories to die with me either. 1266 01:33:47,555 --> 01:33:50,290 MAN: I believe in the gay power. 1267 01:33:50,391 --> 01:33:52,759 I believe in us getting our rights 1268 01:33:52,860 --> 01:33:56,730 or else I would not be out there fighting for our rights. 1269 01:33:56,831 --> 01:33:58,198 Revolution now! 1270 01:34:06,741 --> 01:34:09,643 GEORGE: I was in full drag, and these two little young queens 1271 01:34:09,744 --> 01:34:10,844 came up to me. 1272 01:34:10,945 --> 01:34:13,313 And they said, you know, we don't realize what you 1273 01:34:13,414 --> 01:34:17,417 older gay men went through that allows 1274 01:34:17,518 --> 01:34:20,387 us to do and be as we are now. 1275 01:34:20,488 --> 01:34:23,823 And it was very nice to hear that because we 1276 01:34:23,924 --> 01:34:25,358 thought nothing of doing it because we 1277 01:34:25,459 --> 01:34:26,860 were doing it for ourselves. 1278 01:34:26,961 --> 01:34:28,328 We didn't realize that we were doing 1279 01:34:28,429 --> 01:34:29,663 it for the next generations. 1280 01:34:35,169 --> 01:34:40,373 People fought and risked their lives and, in some cases, 1281 01:34:40,474 --> 01:34:43,343 lost their lives to win what we've won. 1282 01:34:58,025 --> 01:35:00,627 RENO MARTIN: Well, it looks like it's just about time to end 1283 01:35:00,728 --> 01:35:02,295 our rendezvous for today. 1284 01:35:02,396 --> 01:35:05,832 This is Reno Martin saying thanks for listening. 1285 01:35:05,933 --> 01:35:08,768 [music playing] 1286 01:35:56,150 --> 01:35:59,185 This is Reno Martin saying so long until tomorrow 1287 01:35:59,286 --> 01:36:01,621 when we'll rendezvous with the stars. 1288 01:36:11,999 --> 01:36:13,733 ACTOR AS BILLIE: Dear Reno... 1289 01:36:13,834 --> 01:36:15,869 Please forgive me for not writing sooner. 1290 01:36:17,872 --> 01:36:21,708 I feel awful, Reno, not being able to say goodbye to you. 1291 01:36:21,809 --> 01:36:24,944 I didn't find out you left until days after. 1292 01:36:25,045 --> 01:36:26,980 I didn't even have your address. 1293 01:36:27,081 --> 01:36:29,149 I called up Daphne and got it. 1294 01:36:29,250 --> 01:36:31,818 Well, Reno, take care of yourself 1295 01:36:31,919 --> 01:36:34,320 and forgive me for not writing you. 1296 01:36:34,421 --> 01:36:35,555 I miss you. 1297 01:36:35,656 --> 01:36:37,090 Your friend, Billy. 1298 01:36:38,392 --> 01:36:40,126 INTERVIEWER: Whatever happened to Billy? 1299 01:36:41,495 --> 01:36:42,195 He was murdered. 1300 01:36:54,041 --> 01:36:58,211 This kid, when he found out, went to the kitchen, 1301 01:36:58,312 --> 01:37:00,413 grabbed a knife, and stabbed him to death. 1302 01:37:02,316 --> 01:37:07,887 It made me sick to think that you survived everything else 1303 01:37:07,988 --> 01:37:11,124 from strangers and tough times, whatever, 1304 01:37:11,225 --> 01:37:14,360 and now the closest person to you is going to kill you. 1305 01:37:29,810 --> 01:37:31,344 ACTOR AS JOSEPHINE: Hi there. 1306 01:37:31,445 --> 01:37:33,713 Sorry I couldn't write sooner. 1307 01:37:33,814 --> 01:37:36,216 Here's hoping to find you in good spirits. 1308 01:37:36,317 --> 01:37:39,786 Well, the beach is marvelous to say the least. 1309 01:37:39,887 --> 01:37:43,623 The weather is fantastic, every night so far in the 80s. 1310 01:37:43,724 --> 01:37:44,724 Very romantic. 1311 01:37:46,227 --> 01:37:48,094 There's so much loot to be made down here 1312 01:37:48,195 --> 01:37:51,631 if you're a call girl, but I'm afraid I threw in the heels 1313 01:37:51,732 --> 01:37:53,566 for a while. 1314 01:37:53,667 --> 01:37:56,369 Well, René, I have to close for now. 1315 01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:57,937 I'll write you soon. 1316 01:37:58,038 --> 01:37:59,572 Regards, Josephine. 1317 01:38:03,978 --> 01:38:05,245 CLAUDE: Josephine died of AIDS. 1318 01:38:07,248 --> 01:38:15,088 And when he died, his family refused 1319 01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:18,524 to let any of his friends come to the funeral. 1320 01:38:22,029 --> 01:38:27,033 If I had known in time, I think his mother 1321 01:38:27,134 --> 01:38:28,835 would have let me come. 1322 01:38:31,338 --> 01:38:36,109 And I blame myself a lot for that. 1323 01:38:36,210 --> 01:38:41,681 I lost track of who I really was, 1324 01:38:41,782 --> 01:38:45,351 and that's something that I live with every day. 1325 01:38:49,823 --> 01:38:51,624 I don't want to talk about that any more. 1326 01:39:10,177 --> 01:39:11,377 ACTOR AS CHARLIE: Dear Reno... 1327 01:39:11,478 --> 01:39:13,446 Glad to hear you're doing well. 1328 01:39:13,547 --> 01:39:14,981 Your friends called. 1329 01:39:15,082 --> 01:39:18,217 I told them you moved to California for good. 1330 01:39:18,319 --> 01:39:22,388 As for settling down to pipe and slippers, forget it. 1331 01:39:22,489 --> 01:39:26,960 Once a "bomatza," always a "bomatza." 1332 01:39:27,061 --> 01:39:29,729 Well, I must dash. 1333 01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:33,366 Take care, stay well, and write soon. 1334 01:39:33,467 --> 01:39:35,535 Your friend always, Charlie. 1335 01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:48,514 ACTOR AS DAPHNE: Dear Reno... 1336 01:39:48,615 --> 01:39:50,383 I'm typing this letter at work, and 1337 01:39:50,484 --> 01:39:52,752 the only reason I'm not writing it out in longhand 1338 01:39:52,853 --> 01:39:54,354 is to fool my boss. 1339 01:39:54,455 --> 01:39:56,956 He thinks I'm doing my regular work. 1340 01:39:57,057 --> 01:39:59,225 Remember that beauty, Ace? 1341 01:39:59,326 --> 01:40:01,260 Well, he was back in town. 1342 01:40:01,362 --> 01:40:03,096 He digs Josephine. 1343 01:40:03,197 --> 01:40:06,699 He asked about her and you, of course. 1344 01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,435 They all asked about you. 1345 01:40:09,536 --> 01:40:13,239 I've really got to be going now, it's way past my time. 1346 01:40:13,340 --> 01:40:16,342 And besides, this documentary is practically long 1347 01:40:16,443 --> 01:40:18,611 enough for book publication. 1348 01:40:18,712 --> 01:40:21,047 I'm hoping you are in fine health and good spirits 1349 01:40:21,148 --> 01:40:22,548 when this autobiography arrives. 1350 01:40:23,951 --> 01:40:25,918 La de da for now. 1351 01:40:26,020 --> 01:40:28,921 Love, as always, Daphne. 1352 01:40:53,647 --> 01:41:00,219 My name is Michael Alagna, but my real name is Daphne. 1353 01:41:08,429 --> 01:41:11,964 [music playing] 98515

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