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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:22,619 --> 00:00:25,369 2 00:00:44,121 --> 00:00:46,788 3 00:01:18,497 --> 00:01:23,497 4 00:02:24,533 --> 00:02:27,820 5 00:02:27,820 --> 00:02:29,620 A year after Jim and I were married, 6 00:02:29,620 --> 00:02:32,490 we went to Papua New Guinea to attempt what many people 7 00:02:32,490 --> 00:02:35,163 thought would be an impossible task. 8 00:02:38,020 --> 00:02:41,580 We had come here to try and persuade over 10,000 people 9 00:02:41,580 --> 00:02:44,730 to not hunt an endangered animal that had been part 10 00:02:44,730 --> 00:02:47,193 of their staple diet for centuries. 11 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,040 While some people thought we were crazy, 12 00:02:57,460 --> 00:03:00,223 others feared an even darker outcome. 13 00:03:02,490 --> 00:03:05,490 14 00:03:18,710 --> 00:03:21,880 - I don't believe a child is born who doesn't, 15 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,740 within the first few years of his life, 16 00:03:23,740 --> 00:03:25,503 become fascinated by natural world. 17 00:03:26,380 --> 00:03:29,200 He or she is not concerned with, as it were, value. 18 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,290 He is concerned with wonder. 19 00:03:31,290 --> 00:03:33,600 Take a four year old and turn over a stone 20 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,970 and he sees an earwig or a slug and he's amazed 21 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,010 because that thing shares something that you have, 22 00:03:43,010 --> 00:03:43,843 which is life. 23 00:03:44,850 --> 00:03:47,920 But if you actually lose that fascination, 24 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,420 if you actually lose that wonder of the natural world, 25 00:03:50,420 --> 00:03:52,043 you've lost a great treasure. 26 00:03:56,793 --> 00:03:59,543 27 00:04:02,854 --> 00:04:06,180 - Discovering the natural world came to me very early. 28 00:04:06,180 --> 00:04:10,053 I was very interested in animals from day dot, really. 29 00:04:12,340 --> 00:04:15,130 When we started going on family holidays to Mount Hotham, 30 00:04:15,130 --> 00:04:17,810 Wilson's Promitory, I started to make the connection 31 00:04:17,810 --> 00:04:19,770 between the animals I kept at home 32 00:04:19,770 --> 00:04:21,253 and the animals in the wild. 33 00:04:23,810 --> 00:04:25,620 And that's when I started really thinking 34 00:04:25,620 --> 00:04:27,510 about conservation, I think. 35 00:04:27,510 --> 00:04:31,023 About animals belonging and being part of the web of life. 36 00:04:39,650 --> 00:04:42,260 Jim and I met at Melbourne Zoo. 37 00:04:42,260 --> 00:04:44,040 We were both keepers at the time 38 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,513 and studying science at university. 39 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,240 - We were working together on the native mammal department, 40 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,000 so with wombats, kangaroos, koalas. 41 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,140 I just thought, oh no, she's really nice 42 00:04:56,140 --> 00:04:58,860 and I actually noticed Jane being nice 43 00:05:00,020 --> 00:05:01,534 when we were working together. 44 00:05:01,534 --> 00:05:03,100 And I remember having a very deep and meaningful 45 00:05:03,100 --> 00:05:04,640 conversation with Jim. 46 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,480 We'd really want it to do more and I thought, 47 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,230 hey, you know, we're connecting here 48 00:05:09,230 --> 00:05:12,300 because we have the same values and really liked 49 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:14,450 the idea of doing something for the planet. 50 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,860 - I've been involved in conservation for a number of years, 51 00:05:21,860 --> 00:05:23,523 working with recovery programs. 52 00:05:26,550 --> 00:05:27,383 And I always got frustrated. 53 00:05:27,383 --> 00:05:29,870 I didn't feel I was making enough of a difference. 54 00:05:32,070 --> 00:05:34,670 Yeah, I just wanted to sink my teeth into something. 55 00:05:36,180 --> 00:05:37,660 Let's see if we can make a difference 56 00:05:37,660 --> 00:05:40,137 in the saving of endangered species. 57 00:06:01,770 --> 00:06:03,810 - This is fairly dense forest. 58 00:06:03,810 --> 00:06:04,860 - Yeah. - Happy, Roger. 59 00:06:04,860 --> 00:06:06,603 - Yeah, oh, it is, yeah. 60 00:06:06,603 --> 00:06:07,436 There's not a lot of-- 61 00:06:07,436 --> 00:06:10,223 - Tim Flannery and Roger Martin are two legends of mine. 62 00:06:11,100 --> 00:06:13,050 They wrote a book that changed my life. 63 00:06:15,066 --> 00:06:16,130 I think. 64 00:06:16,130 --> 00:06:18,716 So, you see any scratches in here, Jim? 65 00:06:18,716 --> 00:06:21,343 They've been studying a special type of kangaroo, 66 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,223 relatively unknown, unstudied. 67 00:06:29,869 --> 00:06:32,450 - And they're very good at using even the smallest bit 68 00:06:32,450 --> 00:06:35,160 of canopy to hide behind. - Yes. 69 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,854 - Well, my experience is that there's 70 00:06:36,854 --> 00:06:38,740 very few of them, Roger. 71 00:06:38,740 --> 00:06:41,070 These kangaroos live in small groups 72 00:06:41,070 --> 00:06:42,163 or are solitary. 73 00:06:43,130 --> 00:06:44,710 Unlike their land-based cousins, 74 00:06:44,710 --> 00:06:47,170 they possess a unique quality 75 00:06:47,170 --> 00:06:49,320 that is different from all other kangaroos. 76 00:06:52,712 --> 00:06:54,790 These kangaroos live in trees. 77 00:07:03,338 --> 00:07:06,416 They're such weirdly anomalous creatures. 78 00:07:06,416 --> 00:07:09,460 You know, we're all used to kangaroos on the ground, 79 00:07:09,460 --> 00:07:12,360 but the idea that a clumsy, hopping animal like that 80 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,270 might inhabit the tree tops of a rainforest 81 00:07:14,270 --> 00:07:15,960 seems so unlikely. 82 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,940 In the early days, Tim and Roger's passion 83 00:07:17,940 --> 00:07:21,200 for tree kangaroos inspired me as a young man. 84 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,110 Their enthusiasm's contagious and sitting here 85 00:07:24,110 --> 00:07:26,140 with them now, around the campfire, 86 00:07:26,140 --> 00:07:27,633 still really fires me up. 87 00:07:30,230 --> 00:07:32,320 Back in the '90s, Tim headed off on a quest 88 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,060 to find new animal species. 89 00:07:34,060 --> 00:07:36,410 He headed overseas, just North of Australia, 90 00:07:36,410 --> 00:07:38,810 to the tropical rainforests of Papua New Guinea. 91 00:07:40,628 --> 00:07:44,560 92 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:45,880 For animal scientists, 93 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,270 Papua New Guinea was still a new frontier. 94 00:07:48,270 --> 00:07:50,240 Tim worked there for a number of years, 95 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,270 finding and describing new species of mammals, 96 00:07:53,270 --> 00:07:55,433 unknown to science never seen before. 97 00:07:56,530 --> 00:07:58,023 Just found in a small area, 98 00:07:58,860 --> 00:08:01,650 but his biggest bond was a new spaces of kangaroo, 99 00:08:01,650 --> 00:08:05,400 the black tree kangaroo, a very special species 100 00:08:07,931 --> 00:08:09,581 and the locals called it Tenkile. 101 00:08:12,190 --> 00:08:13,489 This almost certainly would have died 102 00:08:13,489 --> 00:08:14,746 if it had stayed down. 103 00:08:14,746 --> 00:08:17,070 - It's good though, that he's eating so well. 104 00:08:17,070 --> 00:08:18,673 Oh wow, that's just wonderful. 105 00:08:19,630 --> 00:08:23,297 106 00:08:28,220 --> 00:08:30,710 There's lots of different kinds of tree kangaroos, 107 00:08:30,710 --> 00:08:34,683 15 different species, but the Tenkile is really unique. 108 00:08:36,290 --> 00:08:39,430 It's this big, boofy, muscular tree kangaroo. 109 00:08:39,430 --> 00:08:41,670 It's almost taken the same evolutionary path 110 00:08:41,670 --> 00:08:45,210 as the gorilla and eats lots of fruits and leaves 111 00:08:45,210 --> 00:08:46,783 and gets it to be a big animal. 112 00:08:52,230 --> 00:08:54,550 So when Tim and Roger's book was released, 113 00:08:54,550 --> 00:08:57,310 I got it straight away and I read it cover to cover, 114 00:08:57,310 --> 00:08:59,433 about four or five times, within a week. 115 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,654 Such beautiful creatures, but for some of them, 116 00:09:04,654 --> 00:09:06,654 only a little time left. 117 00:09:10,719 --> 00:09:13,302 118 00:10:16,448 --> 00:10:20,365 119 00:10:44,955 --> 00:10:46,200 The Tenkile Conservation Alliance, 120 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,440 commonly known now as TCA, was established in 1999 121 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,893 to bring an end to the hunting of the Tenkile. 122 00:10:54,950 --> 00:10:57,420 Two Australian guys, Peter Clark and Gary Slater, 123 00:10:57,420 --> 00:10:59,970 established a contract for the villages to sign 124 00:10:59,970 --> 00:11:02,716 so that they wouldn't hunt the tree kangaroos. 125 00:11:02,716 --> 00:11:06,383 126 00:11:42,028 --> 00:11:44,778 127 00:11:46,070 --> 00:11:49,158 So, I kept pushing and pushing to get over to TCA 128 00:11:49,158 --> 00:11:50,953 and help save these animals. 129 00:11:52,470 --> 00:11:54,820 Send me to PNG, I'm your man, send me, 130 00:11:54,820 --> 00:11:56,320 I want to go, I want to do it. 131 00:11:57,700 --> 00:11:59,010 When Jim came home to say, 132 00:11:59,010 --> 00:12:00,310 do you want to go to Papua New Guinea, 133 00:12:00,310 --> 00:12:03,323 it wasn't like I just jumped at it and said, yes. 134 00:12:04,290 --> 00:12:08,020 I seriously considered it, but at the same time, 135 00:12:08,020 --> 00:12:11,860 was quite torn about which way to go, you know, 136 00:12:11,860 --> 00:12:15,290 because we'd literally just got ourselves into a mortgage 137 00:12:15,290 --> 00:12:18,023 and we were only just married less than a year. 138 00:12:21,750 --> 00:12:24,271 Leaving the suburbs to go to the third largest 139 00:12:24,271 --> 00:12:28,503 tropical rainforest in the world, that's a huge decision. 140 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,140 We would have to go and live in the remote jungles 141 00:12:36,140 --> 00:12:38,623 of Papua New Guinea for at least two years. 142 00:12:39,860 --> 00:12:42,870 It is home to some of the richest natural biodiversity 143 00:12:42,870 --> 00:12:44,500 on the planet. 144 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:47,810 At the time, we really had no idea that this journey 145 00:12:47,810 --> 00:12:50,110 would end up taking us far beyond 146 00:12:50,110 --> 00:12:52,053 what we could have ever imagined. 147 00:12:53,410 --> 00:12:56,550 Our goal was to save a single species of tree kangaroo. 148 00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:59,300 So who would have thought a small animal on the verge 149 00:12:59,300 --> 00:13:02,060 of extinction could bring new hope 150 00:13:02,060 --> 00:13:05,040 and affect the lives of over 10,000 people 151 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,973 living in one of the most remote places on Earth? 152 00:13:09,041 --> 00:13:12,874 153 00:13:33,997 --> 00:13:35,140 - Hello! 154 00:13:35,140 --> 00:13:36,137 Driving in our new car. 155 00:13:36,137 --> 00:13:40,120 Well, it's a second-hand car, but it looks pretty new. 156 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,850 It's new compared to the shit box combi 157 00:13:42,850 --> 00:13:44,637 I've been driving for the last six years. 158 00:13:44,637 --> 00:13:47,137 159 00:13:57,414 --> 00:13:59,070 And we drove from, we went to Lumi, 160 00:13:59,070 --> 00:14:00,810 not knowing anything about the road. 161 00:14:00,810 --> 00:14:03,130 We knew the conditions of the road weren't too good, 162 00:14:03,130 --> 00:14:05,830 but we thought we had a strong four-wheel drive car. 163 00:14:05,830 --> 00:14:07,160 We were wrong. 164 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,870 It took two days, 48 hours, 165 00:14:09,870 --> 00:14:11,610 to get from Wewak to Lumi. 166 00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:18,078 On that first trip we got bogged at least 15 times. 167 00:14:18,078 --> 00:14:19,710 I haven't done much, if any, 168 00:14:19,710 --> 00:14:22,280 four-wheel driving in Australia, so it was a crash course. 169 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,420 - And I was helping pushing the car as well. 170 00:14:24,420 --> 00:14:26,240 You'd go through the bogs and I'd be at the back pushing, 171 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,590 pushing you along with the locals. 172 00:14:27,590 --> 00:14:30,440 So I was literally covered head to toe in mud. 173 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:31,400 - I wasn't, that was great. 174 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:32,805 That was a good part of the story. 175 00:14:32,805 --> 00:14:34,760 176 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,730 Sometimes we're in a bog for four or five hours 177 00:14:37,730 --> 00:14:40,350 and I think that was the longest bog. 178 00:14:40,350 --> 00:14:42,732 I thought, what the hell are we doing? 179 00:14:42,732 --> 00:14:44,160 This is crazy. 180 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,800 It was just bizarre. 181 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,610 Totally bizarre. 182 00:14:51,561 --> 00:14:55,311 183 00:15:05,350 --> 00:15:06,710 It was such a relief, such an achievement 184 00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:07,950 getting up to Lumi. 185 00:15:07,950 --> 00:15:10,250 We were literally cheering and high-fiving 186 00:15:10,250 --> 00:15:12,140 and then we just crashed. 187 00:15:12,140 --> 00:15:14,140 We were just exhausted, covered in mud 188 00:15:14,140 --> 00:15:15,930 and just literally went straight to bed 189 00:15:15,930 --> 00:15:17,330 at seven o'clock that night. 190 00:15:19,356 --> 00:15:21,170 And we didn't care what sort of conditions 191 00:15:21,170 --> 00:15:22,003 we were living. 192 00:15:22,003 --> 00:15:23,460 We knew we had a bush hut, 193 00:15:23,460 --> 00:15:25,360 but it was like aw, anything that just has a roof 194 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,910 over our head and keeps us dry, that's all we want. 195 00:15:32,055 --> 00:15:34,222 196 00:15:45,170 --> 00:15:47,170 The news spread like wildfire 197 00:15:47,170 --> 00:15:49,013 that we had arrived in the area. 198 00:15:50,248 --> 00:15:54,165 199 00:15:57,330 --> 00:15:58,600 People were talking about us. 200 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,330 There's a real buzz of activity. 201 00:16:00,330 --> 00:16:03,023 People coming to visit us, tell us what they knew. 202 00:16:16,030 --> 00:16:18,933 We had become very public figures almost overnight. 203 00:16:24,540 --> 00:16:26,800 People brought us all kinds of animals 204 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:27,750 and it didn't take long 205 00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:29,613 for us to have a bit of a collection. 206 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:32,593 It was like a mini zoo. 207 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:38,970 Here's a little baby bandy who was brought in. 208 00:16:38,970 --> 00:16:41,160 It fired us up to get out there. 209 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,290 Visit the villages with Tenkile on their land 210 00:16:43,290 --> 00:16:45,813 and convince them to resign the hunting ban. 211 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:50,540 Many people didn't believe we had any hope of success. 212 00:17:29,473 --> 00:17:32,820 Many of the villages are only accessible by narrow walking 213 00:17:32,820 --> 00:17:34,803 tracks through this incredible jungle. 214 00:17:38,850 --> 00:17:42,360 Most of the villages sit on ridges divided by valleys. 215 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:45,360 So you're constantly climbing up and down the steep grades 216 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:47,230 that are made even more treacherous 217 00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:49,123 by being so wet and slippery. 218 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:55,690 When we first started walking, 219 00:17:55,690 --> 00:17:57,660 we thought aw we'll stay at this village for one night. 220 00:17:57,660 --> 00:17:59,460 I think we stayed there for two or three nights 221 00:17:59,460 --> 00:18:03,313 because we're so unfit and so unused to the humidity. 222 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,520 We had a lot of arguments that first patrol, 223 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,770 because we're just so tired and frustrated. 224 00:18:17,770 --> 00:18:18,720 We didn't know the language. 225 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,293 So that sort of got under our skin a little bit as well. 226 00:18:40,322 --> 00:18:43,322 227 00:18:48,567 --> 00:18:51,550 The first patrol was a huge icebreaker 228 00:18:51,550 --> 00:18:55,300 because for many people, it was the first time they'd seen 229 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:58,130 a white person in their village and for many children, 230 00:18:58,130 --> 00:19:01,323 it was the first time they'd ever seen a white person. 231 00:19:03,176 --> 00:19:07,093 232 00:19:09,386 --> 00:19:11,230 - Some were really frightened of us and would run away 233 00:19:11,230 --> 00:19:13,460 in tears, but then others were quite curious 234 00:19:13,460 --> 00:19:16,100 and they'd slowly, slowly sneak up to us 235 00:19:16,100 --> 00:19:18,700 and then they'd come along and go like this. 236 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:21,030 Or you'd feel, or you'd feel someone touch your hair, 237 00:19:21,030 --> 00:19:22,640 just slightly like that and then they'd be like, 238 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:23,473 it wasn't me. 239 00:19:30,192 --> 00:19:31,447 - Integrating into the community 240 00:19:31,447 --> 00:19:33,920 was very difficult because the people are very, 241 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,170 very short and I'm six 6'1", big white guy with long hair. 242 00:19:38,170 --> 00:19:39,570 So I was very conscious of that 243 00:19:39,570 --> 00:19:42,821 because of pretty much a giant towering over these people, 244 00:19:42,821 --> 00:19:45,400 so I didn't want to intimidate them, but at the same time, 245 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,420 I didn't want to be intimidated myself. 246 00:19:47,420 --> 00:19:50,730 So I found the best approach was just to be relaxed, 247 00:19:50,730 --> 00:19:52,720 listen to what the people say, 248 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,260 even though initially we didn't understand pidgin, 249 00:19:55,260 --> 00:19:58,140 so it was just a lot of nodding of the head and smiling. 250 00:19:58,140 --> 00:20:01,690 But from that, I learned that a smile goes a long way. 251 00:20:01,690 --> 00:20:04,250 Papua New Guinea people are very friendly. 252 00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:07,177 As soon as you smile, it really does break the ice for them 253 00:20:07,177 --> 00:20:10,200 and they feel more relaxed in in talking to you 254 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,633 and opening up to you. 255 00:20:15,090 --> 00:20:17,350 So on that first patrol, we had a lot of challenges, 256 00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:19,770 a lot of cultural differences that are in our face 257 00:20:19,770 --> 00:20:21,033 for the first time ever. 258 00:20:22,270 --> 00:20:23,840 A lot of people asking for things, 259 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,420 things that we couldn't deliver a new road, 260 00:20:26,420 --> 00:20:29,810 a vehicle, new house and we had to get used to saying, no. 261 00:20:29,810 --> 00:20:31,710 We had to actually practice saying no. 262 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,560 We had to really drop that expectation 263 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,490 and say, look, that's not who we are. 264 00:20:37,490 --> 00:20:38,323 We're not a bank. 265 00:20:38,323 --> 00:20:39,156 We're not a mission. 266 00:20:39,156 --> 00:20:40,330 We're not the government. 267 00:20:40,330 --> 00:20:43,740 We're just two people that care about animals. 268 00:20:43,740 --> 00:20:47,980 But generally, the feeling was we're welcomed here. 269 00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:49,310 We're going to make an impact here. 270 00:20:49,310 --> 00:20:51,250 This wasn't sort of like, oh, this is too hard, 271 00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:52,600 we're going to give up, no. 272 00:20:53,441 --> 00:20:57,358 273 00:21:01,230 --> 00:21:02,850 And as we learned pidgin you know, 274 00:21:02,850 --> 00:21:05,450 taking a good three months before we understood 275 00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:08,170 most of it or able to speak a lot of it, 276 00:21:08,170 --> 00:21:09,380 that's when we realized, 277 00:21:09,380 --> 00:21:11,210 okay, we are making a bit of an impact here. 278 00:21:11,210 --> 00:21:14,023 Let's keep the momentum running, get going. 279 00:21:14,023 --> 00:21:16,523 280 00:21:19,470 --> 00:21:22,380 - Going to the villages for the very first time, 281 00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:24,500 our mandate was to introduce ourselves 282 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:26,460 and let people know why we were there. 283 00:21:26,460 --> 00:21:28,420 So we had a message. 284 00:21:28,420 --> 00:21:30,950 You have this special animal, it's a Tenkile, 285 00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:33,050 that's only found here in your forest. 286 00:21:33,050 --> 00:21:34,910 You own this animal. 287 00:21:34,910 --> 00:21:38,040 If you keep hunting it, it will become extinct. 288 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,680 And the people will tell us, well, this is what we eat. 289 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:42,590 We got to keep eating. 290 00:21:42,590 --> 00:21:45,240 What are we going to eat if we don't eat the Tenkile? 291 00:21:46,260 --> 00:21:48,630 That's when it hit us where we thought, yeah, 292 00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:50,440 that's a good point. 293 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,360 We can't just expect people not to hunt it 294 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:54,860 because we love it and we think it's cute. 295 00:21:54,860 --> 00:21:57,070 - We're asking people not to hunt a tree kangaroo 296 00:21:57,070 --> 00:22:00,590 that they'd been hunting for tens of thousands of years. 297 00:22:00,590 --> 00:22:02,007 And we went around to all of the villages 298 00:22:02,007 --> 00:22:03,840 and we saw lots of sickness, 299 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,220 lots of kids with dribbly noses, 300 00:22:06,220 --> 00:22:08,440 extended bellies, everyone coughing. 301 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,960 And we just thought, how can we ask people not to eat 302 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,203 one species when everyone here looks pretty sick? 303 00:22:16,330 --> 00:22:18,660 The bigger picture here is to help the people, 304 00:22:18,660 --> 00:22:21,443 to then help them save their own animal. 305 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:34,943 306 00:23:37,889 --> 00:23:40,640 After the first patrol, we felt we'd achieved a lot. 307 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,150 We certainly shed a lot of kilos. 308 00:23:43,150 --> 00:23:46,810 We'd walked at least 80 kilometers to 18 villages 309 00:23:46,810 --> 00:23:49,583 and had them all resign the hunting moratorium. 310 00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:53,690 So up until now, things had been pretty good, 311 00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:57,070 but we'd realized that there was just so much more to do. 312 00:23:57,070 --> 00:24:01,163 The initiation, the honeymoon was nearly over. 313 00:24:12,358 --> 00:24:15,108 314 00:24:56,492 --> 00:24:59,492 315 00:25:03,089 --> 00:25:05,770 Here at PNG, we're in the middle of nowhere. 316 00:25:05,770 --> 00:25:07,890 People have the basics 317 00:25:07,890 --> 00:25:10,040 and the number of times we've heard people say, 318 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,490 we are still in the stone age, 319 00:25:11,490 --> 00:25:14,230 help us get out of the stone age, is a lot. 320 00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:16,080 And you've got to feel empathy for the people 321 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,710 because they don't have electricity, 322 00:25:17,710 --> 00:25:19,098 they don't have running water, 323 00:25:19,098 --> 00:25:20,860 they don't have transport. 324 00:25:20,860 --> 00:25:22,290 Not all their kids can go to school 325 00:25:22,290 --> 00:25:23,690 because they have to pay for school. 326 00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:24,650 They don't get subsidies. 327 00:25:24,650 --> 00:25:26,170 There's no pensions. 328 00:25:26,170 --> 00:25:28,270 You know, they really are in a hard place. 329 00:25:30,919 --> 00:25:34,586 330 00:25:50,369 --> 00:25:52,536 331 00:25:55,384 --> 00:25:59,967 332 00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:14,220 I was responsible for developing 333 00:26:14,220 --> 00:26:16,780 an education program to teach the people 334 00:26:16,780 --> 00:26:19,630 about the Tenkile and why it was critically endangered 335 00:26:19,630 --> 00:26:21,590 and what they could do about it. 336 00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:23,130 So one of the first programs I did 337 00:26:23,130 --> 00:26:25,420 was to visit school groups. 338 00:26:25,420 --> 00:26:28,410 I designed a three day education program to teach students 339 00:26:28,410 --> 00:26:32,070 about basic science, ecology-based concepts, 340 00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:32,903 things like that. 341 00:26:32,903 --> 00:26:36,050 So food chains and food webs and all the different species 342 00:26:36,050 --> 00:26:38,050 that are found in the Torricelli mountain ranges 343 00:26:38,050 --> 00:26:38,983 that are unique. 344 00:26:45,239 --> 00:26:48,239 345 00:26:54,850 --> 00:26:57,440 We developed a puppet show because we wanted to really 346 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,340 engage the local communities with what we were doing. 347 00:27:01,340 --> 00:27:03,670 Rick the Rat, he was the snaky character. 348 00:27:03,670 --> 00:27:04,950 He was the devil's advocate. 349 00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:07,720 The one that was always on the bad guy's side. 350 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,940 So he would support the mothers, the minors, 351 00:27:09,940 --> 00:27:13,050 the bad decisions, and then you'd have Clement Cocky 352 00:27:13,050 --> 00:27:14,320 would be the one that didn't really understand 353 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,693 and wanted to hear both points of view. 354 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,440 Then he had Timmy Tenkile, on his last legs, 355 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,570 critically endangered, imploring everyone, 356 00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:25,390 not to kill him and hunt him, 357 00:27:25,390 --> 00:27:29,351 to look after these environment, protect the rainforest. 358 00:27:29,351 --> 00:27:32,518 359 00:27:50,558 --> 00:27:52,691 360 00:27:52,691 --> 00:27:54,083 Most people in the communities 361 00:27:54,083 --> 00:27:56,120 don't have an education past grade four. 362 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:58,300 So anything that was written, 363 00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:01,263 probably would be completely useless in that context. 364 00:28:08,961 --> 00:28:11,128 365 00:28:12,460 --> 00:28:15,680 So then I developed a training program that used drama 366 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,203 as a form of education. 367 00:28:24,060 --> 00:28:26,430 It was fantastic because people were looking 368 00:28:26,430 --> 00:28:29,067 at their cultural significance of the Tenkile 369 00:28:29,067 --> 00:28:31,540 and the species in their rainforest. 370 00:28:31,540 --> 00:28:34,380 So they would do a play on the Tenkile itself, 371 00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:37,300 hunting the Tenkile, any kind of traditional stories 372 00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:40,093 that they had, they would perform that in a play. 373 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,967 It showed us that it wasn't just an animal. 374 00:28:45,967 --> 00:28:49,220 You know, it wasn't just food. 375 00:28:49,220 --> 00:28:51,670 It had a lot more value to it 376 00:28:51,670 --> 00:28:54,413 than just eating it, hunting and eating it. 377 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,810 - We learnt a lot about the Tenkile and the people. 378 00:29:00,810 --> 00:29:03,410 Different villages had different ancestral stories. 379 00:29:03,410 --> 00:29:07,160 So woobatey had ancestral story in which they believe 380 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,053 the Tenkile rose out of a sacred lake 381 00:29:10,053 --> 00:29:12,660 with all of these spiritual ells about. 382 00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:14,990 Whereas, wegotee believed that the people 383 00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:18,530 actually evolved from tree kangaroos, from Tenkile. 384 00:29:18,530 --> 00:29:22,160 People came out from the mountains originally, 385 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,513 a long time ago, from Tenkile, they are Tenkile. 386 00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:52,530 - It was quite strange when we were doing the reenactment of 387 00:29:52,530 --> 00:29:54,250 all of the traditional stories, 388 00:29:54,250 --> 00:29:57,680 the audience would be laughing and I'd be like, oh, 389 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,480 people actually think this is funny. 390 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,900 And then it dawned on me. 391 00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:03,450 They're not laughing because the Tenkile is dying. 392 00:30:03,450 --> 00:30:06,150 They're just looking at their uncles and their brothers. 393 00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:08,079 - Dressed in black-- - Dressed in black. 394 00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:10,909 - Someone wack them over the head with a stick. 395 00:30:10,909 --> 00:30:14,742 396 00:30:47,596 --> 00:30:51,263 397 00:31:12,518 --> 00:31:15,268 398 00:31:27,940 --> 00:31:29,610 Protein was one of the main things 399 00:31:29,610 --> 00:31:31,480 that people raised at meetings and at villages. 400 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,700 We need meat. 401 00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:33,650 We're not getting enough. 402 00:31:33,650 --> 00:31:36,230 They used to have lots, now we don't have hardly any. 403 00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:37,810 And we could see that in the people too, 404 00:31:37,810 --> 00:31:40,800 the state of the children, the health of the people. 405 00:31:43,128 --> 00:31:44,906 There are a lot of villages to look after. 406 00:31:44,906 --> 00:31:48,070 There were 18 villages at the time, around 6,000 people 407 00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:51,150 and everyone's hungry and the clock is ticking. 408 00:31:51,150 --> 00:31:54,380 - So we racked our brains, trying to work out a way 409 00:31:54,380 --> 00:31:56,640 to satisfy peoples hunger for meat. 410 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,290 We knew that anything that we did would have to be 411 00:31:59,290 --> 00:32:02,253 fairly cheap, easy to do and sustainable. 412 00:32:21,090 --> 00:32:23,690 We had some funding at that point in time, 413 00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:26,580 and it had been agreed upon to start rabbit farming 414 00:32:26,580 --> 00:32:28,370 for the first protein farming. 415 00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:29,630 And we thought that was a good idea 416 00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:31,980 because it meant the Tenkile is being replaced 417 00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:33,780 by another mammal, being in rabbits. 418 00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:39,853 We started breeding in Lumi. 419 00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:43,580 A lot of people in Australia and other countries 420 00:32:43,580 --> 00:32:45,220 would think rabbits have run feral 421 00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:48,190 and destroyed the landscape, especially in Australia, 422 00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:49,870 but we looked at the science. 423 00:32:49,870 --> 00:32:53,020 There's no native rabbit that lives in the rainforest. 424 00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:53,853 They don't do well there. 425 00:32:53,853 --> 00:32:55,993 It's too wet, it's too humid. 426 00:32:56,860 --> 00:32:59,230 You have to provide an artificial environment 427 00:32:59,230 --> 00:33:01,850 in the rainforest for them to survive. 428 00:33:04,637 --> 00:33:07,610 429 00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:09,250 After that we've got materials, 430 00:33:09,250 --> 00:33:12,200 distributed them to the 18 Tenkile villages, 431 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,920 and then once we got the rabbits breeding, 432 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,000 we then distributed the rabbits to the villages 433 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,430 and started to educate the people 434 00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:21,313 on how to look after them and breed them themselves. 435 00:33:21,313 --> 00:33:23,047 436 00:33:23,047 --> 00:33:25,090 - People were interested and they were curious 437 00:33:25,090 --> 00:33:27,480 about it, but when they actually saw the rabbit 438 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,130 for the first time, they were like-- 439 00:33:29,130 --> 00:33:30,210 - What the hell's that? 440 00:33:30,210 --> 00:33:31,999 Why's he got such big ears? 441 00:33:31,999 --> 00:33:33,470 I don't understand. 442 00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:34,670 And then they started to think, 443 00:33:34,670 --> 00:33:35,910 oh, if our children ate it, 444 00:33:35,910 --> 00:33:38,320 maybe our children will grow big ears as well. 445 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,040 - We'll get big ears if we eat this animal. 446 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,967 Oh, don't know about that. 447 00:33:43,241 --> 00:33:47,158 448 00:34:01,820 --> 00:34:05,220 So we had to obviously, start to educate people 449 00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:07,860 on not just how to look after the rabbits in captivity, 450 00:34:07,860 --> 00:34:10,940 but also that it's not going to do all of these other things 451 00:34:10,940 --> 00:34:12,290 that you think it might do. 452 00:34:15,397 --> 00:34:18,898 453 00:34:18,898 --> 00:34:21,815 454 00:34:49,450 --> 00:34:51,360 - It really, it really affected me. 455 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,500 And part of me wanted to keep on going 456 00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:56,470 and let's turn this around, but part of me thought, 457 00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:58,330 well, is it, are we here too late? 458 00:34:58,330 --> 00:34:59,593 Have we come too late? 459 00:35:01,950 --> 00:35:05,140 We were all in shock, not only Jean and myself, 460 00:35:05,140 --> 00:35:07,400 but many others in the communities, 461 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,793 and also our local TCA staff. 462 00:35:10,860 --> 00:35:13,080 A senior project, officer Matthew Agon, 463 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,500 he really took it hard. 464 00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:17,050 He went to the villages to try and sort things out. 465 00:35:46,539 --> 00:35:50,372 466 00:36:26,494 --> 00:36:28,700 We had to overcome, well, this project is failing 467 00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:30,011 at the moment. 468 00:36:30,011 --> 00:36:31,603 People are still hunting the animal. 469 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,450 We nearly gave up at that point. 470 00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:36,460 It was very hard. 471 00:36:43,530 --> 00:36:46,010 So here in PNG, people are used to gardening. 472 00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:48,080 They've been gardening more than any other culture 473 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:48,913 on the planet. 474 00:36:51,454 --> 00:36:52,287 They're used to hunting. 475 00:36:52,287 --> 00:36:53,940 They've been doing that for generations. 476 00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:56,140 And we went around to the villages. 477 00:36:56,140 --> 00:36:58,710 Yeah, we saw lots of chickens running around, a few pigs, 478 00:36:58,710 --> 00:37:00,310 but we didn't see any cages. 479 00:37:00,310 --> 00:37:02,310 There's nothing housed, really. 480 00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:04,793 You know, animal husbandry was a new thing. 481 00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:07,890 So with us starting the rabbits, 482 00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:11,580 that was really the first of people keeping animals in cages 483 00:37:13,230 --> 00:37:15,130 and this a totally new concept for people. 484 00:37:15,130 --> 00:37:16,170 So yeah, of course, 485 00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:18,720 many gave up because it was something new. 486 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,923 But fortunately, not all people gave up. 487 00:37:21,779 --> 00:37:25,696 488 00:37:43,144 --> 00:37:46,644 489 00:38:47,890 --> 00:38:49,720 We're hoping that with Vincent's success, 490 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:52,050 others will follow his lead. 491 00:38:52,050 --> 00:38:55,160 Jean and I both agree that this is going to take some time. 492 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,040 It's a really long road. 493 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,370 When you're saving an animal species, 494 00:38:59,370 --> 00:39:01,240 there's a lot of trial and error 495 00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:04,140 and it can take a long time, years in fact, 496 00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:05,573 before you see any results. 497 00:39:11,290 --> 00:39:14,660 498 00:39:14,660 --> 00:39:17,490 So we'd been in Papua New Guinea for a number of years 499 00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:19,526 without seeing a Tenkile. 500 00:39:19,526 --> 00:39:21,960 We've heard stories, we'd seen scats, 501 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,800 we'd seen bones of animals that had been hunted previously 502 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:26,840 and it was quite frustrating. 503 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,770 Here we are, trying to save this animal 504 00:39:28,770 --> 00:39:30,390 that we'd never seen. 505 00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:32,510 So coming back to Australia every Christmas 506 00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:34,020 was very frustrating. 507 00:39:34,020 --> 00:39:34,990 What are you doing in PNG? 508 00:39:34,990 --> 00:39:37,834 Oh, what a waste of time, you haven't even seen one. 509 00:39:37,834 --> 00:39:39,020 And it was like, well, you know, 510 00:39:39,020 --> 00:39:40,210 we're not going over there to see it. 511 00:39:40,210 --> 00:39:41,660 We're going there to save it. 512 00:39:42,787 --> 00:39:44,530 But it was a huge relief 513 00:39:44,530 --> 00:39:46,743 when we finally saw our first animal. 514 00:39:48,740 --> 00:39:52,230 Staff of mine had gone out into the mountains on a patrol 515 00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:55,010 and they'd found three and they caught one, 516 00:39:55,010 --> 00:39:56,210 brought it back to Lumi. 517 00:40:00,270 --> 00:40:03,463 We kept this animal, named Suna, for about six weeks. 518 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,680 So seeing the first Tenkile, it was just magnificent. 519 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,993 It's like, oh, this is great. 520 00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:18,990 We studied her, we got lots of photos. 521 00:40:18,990 --> 00:40:20,960 We weighed her, we measured her. 522 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,313 We collected some hair samples, some scat samples. 523 00:40:27,090 --> 00:40:30,240 She was like no other tree kangaroo I'd seen before, 524 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,640 and I'd seen six or seven different species, 525 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,710 but the Tenkile's behavior, just the way about it. 526 00:40:35,710 --> 00:40:36,820 It was very different. 527 00:40:36,820 --> 00:40:37,963 She was very calm. 528 00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:41,530 But Suna just had this look in her eye, 529 00:40:41,530 --> 00:40:45,530 like she knew what was happening, bright red eyes, red eyes, 530 00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:47,980 you know, not many animals have red eyes 531 00:40:47,980 --> 00:40:49,610 and of course the black coat. 532 00:40:49,610 --> 00:40:53,100 And you can basically just pick her up if you wanted to. 533 00:40:54,694 --> 00:40:55,913 And it was so beautiful to see. 534 00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:03,840 And then we put her back into the wild. 535 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,670 But that was, that was huge, seeing that, 536 00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:23,385 because it was only then that we realized 537 00:41:23,385 --> 00:41:25,815 that people had an empathy for the animals. 538 00:41:25,815 --> 00:41:29,565 539 00:41:32,370 --> 00:41:36,250 There was huge celebrations at every village we went through 540 00:41:36,250 --> 00:41:38,680 and there was gifts presented to Suna, 541 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,123 as if it was the prime minister or if it was a VIP. 542 00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:44,427 It as incredible. 543 00:41:44,427 --> 00:41:48,594 544 00:42:32,571 --> 00:42:34,821 That's right, that's right. 545 00:42:37,756 --> 00:42:41,673 546 00:42:50,379 --> 00:42:52,060 There's no worry at that point of her being hunted 547 00:42:52,060 --> 00:42:55,920 on this village's land, 'cause they were so proud to have 548 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:56,780 the animal back there. 549 00:42:56,780 --> 00:42:58,770 This is one village that didn't think that they had 550 00:42:58,770 --> 00:43:00,200 the animal on their land. 551 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,180 - And the pride that came with that 552 00:43:02,180 --> 00:43:04,980 and the cohesiveness in the village, 553 00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:06,860 there were are all these other little aspects 554 00:43:06,860 --> 00:43:09,660 that we noticed from that experience. 555 00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:11,720 It was about the community themselves, 556 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:14,795 who united more because of that. 557 00:43:14,795 --> 00:43:18,462 558 00:43:33,541 --> 00:43:35,850 - Finding Tenkile in the wild is extremely difficult. 559 00:43:35,850 --> 00:43:38,003 It's painstaking exercise. 560 00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:43,470 So when technology becomes available that makes it easier 561 00:43:43,470 --> 00:43:46,450 to find the animals, you want it. 562 00:43:46,450 --> 00:43:49,220 So when camera traps became more affordable 563 00:43:49,220 --> 00:43:52,320 and we could get them through grants, we jumped on board. 564 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,210 So little boxes, strapped onto a tree 565 00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:56,893 with a remote sensing trigger. 566 00:44:00,260 --> 00:44:03,610 Animals go past it and viola, we've got photos of all 567 00:44:03,610 --> 00:44:05,763 of the animals that are in the Torricellis. 568 00:44:11,540 --> 00:44:13,110 Hey, that's fantastic. 569 00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:16,400 A great result from the camera traps is that we're also 570 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,540 getting a greater respect for the elderly 571 00:44:18,540 --> 00:44:23,060 in each community because they're able to identify 572 00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:25,963 all of the animals on the camera traps themselves, 573 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,470 where most of the young people have never seen 574 00:44:29,470 --> 00:44:31,240 a lot of the species before. 575 00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:33,960 And this has been fantastic in terms of getting 576 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,900 the communities working better together. 577 00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:38,770 Really, really impressive results. 578 00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:41,773 I'm overwhelmed, I didn't expect to see that. 579 00:44:42,882 --> 00:44:46,715 580 00:46:20,747 --> 00:46:22,580 At one of the drama programs, 581 00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:24,370 a village a few kilometers away, 582 00:46:24,370 --> 00:46:27,220 visiting to try and encourage us to have them 583 00:46:27,220 --> 00:46:28,950 in the project as well. 584 00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:31,020 And they presented us with a live Weimang 585 00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:32,520 or gold mantled tree kangaroo. 586 00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:37,540 When I realize that the Weimang was still in existence, 587 00:46:37,540 --> 00:46:40,290 it wasn't extinct, as Roger Martin thought it might be. 588 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:44,590 I just said, why should we just protect the Tenkile 589 00:46:44,590 --> 00:46:46,480 in half of the Torricelli mountain range 590 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,060 and leave half the lot vacant, 591 00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:50,510 where there's also another critically endangered 592 00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:52,410 tree kangaroo, called the Weimang? 593 00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:55,210 So for me, it was like, oh wow, it's still in existence, 594 00:46:55,210 --> 00:46:56,220 it's not extinct! 595 00:46:56,220 --> 00:46:58,770 We still got a chance here, we've got to go for it! 596 00:47:01,870 --> 00:47:03,010 This is what we're going to do. 597 00:47:03,010 --> 00:47:05,710 This is part of the reason I came here in the first place. 598 00:47:05,710 --> 00:47:08,160 I'm not going to do a half ass approach and do half the job, 599 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,560 no, gonna do the whole bloody job or not at all. 600 00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:14,270 - Morning. - Morning. 601 00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:15,880 When I first came to Papa New Guinea, 602 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,820 I didn't really know how I was going to convince people 603 00:47:18,820 --> 00:47:20,453 to stop hunting tree kangaroos. 604 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,340 And I guess I've evolved over a long period of time. 605 00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:27,470 It's try this approach, try this approach, 606 00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:29,490 try this approach, different ways. 607 00:47:29,490 --> 00:47:31,170 Even maybe simpler, using-- 608 00:47:31,170 --> 00:47:32,520 And it was a lot of work. 609 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,860 You know, a lot of thought, a lot of time, a lot of effort. 610 00:47:36,860 --> 00:47:39,020 And we talked about nutrition and gardening 611 00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:41,220 and water tanks and rabbit farming. 612 00:47:41,220 --> 00:47:46,220 And you know, it was such a big job and you know, 613 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,800 not getting paid to do the job, wore me down. 614 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,300 And I, you know, I was like, Jim, 615 00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:55,920 I haven't got the energy to do this anymore. 616 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,570 And then he comes back from the Weimang villages 617 00:47:58,570 --> 00:48:00,307 and says, we've got to sign up these villages. 618 00:48:00,307 --> 00:48:03,610 And I was like, what the fuck are you serious? 619 00:48:03,610 --> 00:48:07,300 I am, I'm done Jim, I can't do any more. 620 00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:10,090 I am full up of work. 621 00:48:10,090 --> 00:48:14,230 And I just got so angry and I was just like, 622 00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:15,740 why am I doing this? 623 00:48:15,740 --> 00:48:17,053 You are on your own on this! 624 00:48:17,053 --> 00:48:20,253 I was ready to go see you later, pal, I'm done. 625 00:48:24,810 --> 00:48:27,220 24 extra villages under our program. 626 00:48:27,220 --> 00:48:29,303 That was a huge deal for us. 627 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,610 That's extra travel. 628 00:48:31,610 --> 00:48:35,700 That's extra education, more meetings, more rabbit cages 629 00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:38,743 for over 6,000 extra people. 630 00:48:41,130 --> 00:48:44,100 I mean, Jim's a big picture man, he's the visionary 631 00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:46,900 and I'm the one who actually has to make it all work. 632 00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:49,350 I have to put it all together and make it happen. 633 00:48:50,770 --> 00:48:52,233 I was overwhelmed. 634 00:48:54,905 --> 00:48:57,630 So I go from my morning walk, trying to unwind 635 00:48:57,630 --> 00:49:00,823 and try and just collect my thoughts again and get focused. 636 00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:06,810 Often, I try and debrief on my way up the hill 637 00:49:06,810 --> 00:49:09,570 and then have a stretch and then listen to the birds 638 00:49:09,570 --> 00:49:12,090 and just take it all in because there's nowhere else 639 00:49:12,090 --> 00:49:13,923 like this that I know of. 640 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,450 When you're standing here at the mountain, 641 00:49:16,450 --> 00:49:18,560 it's very easy to put everything 642 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,043 back into perspective again. 643 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,060 It took a lot of internal dialogue within myself 644 00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:29,700 to actually say, you know, 645 00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:33,000 there's more to this than me and there's more to this 646 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,040 than what I'm feeling. 647 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,240 There's more to this then, you know, 648 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:37,963 wanting to give up, you know. 649 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,303 I think that's where it flipped into a life of purpose. 650 00:49:48,578 --> 00:49:51,578 651 00:50:09,017 --> 00:50:10,075 And I did a pregnancy test. 652 00:50:10,075 --> 00:50:11,510 I remember the pregnancy test. 653 00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:14,900 - Yeah and then I told Jim and showed him the little stick 654 00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:18,900 and it's all really exciting and scary at the same time 655 00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:21,470 because living here and you know, 656 00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:23,670 there's not a lot of support for women here. 657 00:50:25,460 --> 00:50:28,030 I went to the local hospital. 658 00:50:28,030 --> 00:50:29,320 That's where the local people do it. 659 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,130 I thought, well, I'm part, I'm experiencing the culture. 660 00:50:32,130 --> 00:50:34,730 You know, I need to get myself involved in all of this. 661 00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:39,730 And then I realized that I wasn't prepared to go that far. 662 00:50:39,860 --> 00:50:43,653 And I thought, no, I need to go home to have this child. 663 00:50:50,730 --> 00:50:55,730 As I was in labor, feeling the labor pains and contractions 664 00:50:55,957 --> 00:50:59,010 and I felt guilty actually, being in this beautiful, 665 00:50:59,010 --> 00:51:02,070 clean hospital with white sheets and you know, 666 00:51:02,070 --> 00:51:05,383 nurses at my beck and call and doctors in the next room. 667 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,900 And I thought, how do women do this in the bush? 668 00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:12,770 And you know, the stories that we'd heard of women 669 00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:15,147 giving birth in toilets and women giving birth 670 00:51:15,147 --> 00:51:18,633 when they were scraping sago and totally on their own. 671 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,510 - Taji was born on the 8th of June, 2006, 672 00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:26,853 the same birthday as me. 673 00:51:27,853 --> 00:51:29,460 I was just blown away, 'cause I was there. 674 00:51:29,460 --> 00:51:32,300 I was the anchorman, cut the umbilical cord. 675 00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:35,473 Saw the whole thing, pretty bloody amazing. 676 00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:55,210 - We went to a pediatrician and I thought, well, 677 00:51:55,210 --> 00:51:56,820 we need to make sure that we're prepared 678 00:51:56,820 --> 00:51:58,527 to take a child back to PNG. 679 00:51:59,668 --> 00:52:02,668 680 00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:06,830 The first thing that the pediatrician said to me was, 681 00:52:06,830 --> 00:52:08,260 well, if you want my advice, 682 00:52:08,260 --> 00:52:10,270 you don't take a child to Papua New Guinea. 683 00:52:10,270 --> 00:52:12,560 He was just straight up matter of fact about it. 684 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,983 And he said, "So is that possible?" 685 00:52:14,983 --> 00:52:18,650 686 00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:27,360 So Taji was only two months old when we arrived in Lumi. 687 00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:34,850 And it was great because we had all of the staff 688 00:52:34,850 --> 00:52:35,963 here greeting us. 689 00:52:39,306 --> 00:52:41,710 You know, there's a little sign saying welcome home Taji 690 00:52:41,710 --> 00:52:43,950 and Jean and I, it was beautiful. 691 00:52:43,950 --> 00:52:44,910 It was really nice. 692 00:52:44,910 --> 00:52:47,290 And you know, I was crying and you know, 693 00:52:47,290 --> 00:52:49,530 everyone was giving us hugs and you know, 694 00:52:49,530 --> 00:52:53,188 they just welcomed him in. - Big deal, huge deal. 695 00:52:53,188 --> 00:52:57,105 696 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,850 Hardly anyone had seen a white baby before. 697 00:53:04,850 --> 00:53:06,602 Everyone wanted to hold him, just started holding him. 698 00:53:06,602 --> 00:53:07,435 They didn't want to give him back! 699 00:53:07,435 --> 00:53:08,373 No, no, no, come on. 700 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,407 I want to white baby! 701 00:53:11,407 --> 00:53:14,283 No, no, it's our white baby. 702 00:53:14,283 --> 00:53:17,950 703 00:53:23,370 --> 00:53:24,900 I love being a dad. 704 00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:26,450 But as a new parent, 705 00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:29,563 I was now more protective of Jean and Taji. 706 00:53:31,050 --> 00:53:34,580 Their safety and security was of paramount importance 707 00:53:34,580 --> 00:53:37,030 and I started looking at our environment 708 00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:38,230 in a very different way. 709 00:53:58,050 --> 00:54:01,163 Papa New Guinea is often dubbed the land of the unexpected. 710 00:54:03,178 --> 00:54:06,270 And that certainly comes true when people lose their cool 711 00:54:06,270 --> 00:54:08,970 and become violent very quickly, people can just snap. 712 00:54:10,948 --> 00:54:14,880 713 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,420 But every time it happens, there's a string of events 714 00:54:18,420 --> 00:54:22,133 that have occurred beforehand building up to that explosion. 715 00:54:28,445 --> 00:54:30,020 716 00:54:30,020 --> 00:54:33,740 It seems the fuses are quite short in PNG sometimes 717 00:54:33,740 --> 00:54:37,330 and we've been very surprised on a number of occasions 718 00:54:37,330 --> 00:54:39,083 when people become very angry. 719 00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:45,160 So in Papua New Guinea I've been attacked 720 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:49,260 at least six times with pretty brutal bush knives. 721 00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:50,510 You know, I thought I was going to get cut up 722 00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:53,180 on a number of occasions, real heart beating stuff, 723 00:54:53,180 --> 00:54:55,470 where it's like, whoa, you only see this in the movies. 724 00:54:55,470 --> 00:54:57,600 What am I doing in this? 725 00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,980 But there was this one time when things got taken 726 00:54:59,980 --> 00:55:01,280 to another level. 727 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,183 I was traveling back to base by road. 728 00:55:05,486 --> 00:55:06,977 It was a dispute over money and he came at me 729 00:55:06,977 --> 00:55:08,423 with a very sharp ax. 730 00:55:09,380 --> 00:55:10,923 He was gonna kill me, I thought this is it. 731 00:55:10,923 --> 00:55:12,423 This is it, game over. 732 00:55:13,540 --> 00:55:16,260 He had that look like he wanted to kill in his eye. 733 00:55:16,260 --> 00:55:18,910 It was just that look of terror. 734 00:55:18,910 --> 00:55:20,750 I defused the situation. 735 00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:23,360 I paid the bribe, didn't feel comfortable in doing that, 736 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,650 but I got away with my life. 737 00:55:25,650 --> 00:55:28,283 That was absolutely terrifying to go through that. 738 00:55:35,748 --> 00:55:37,384 I already know what to think. 739 00:55:37,384 --> 00:55:39,290 It was just absolutely gut wrenching 740 00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:41,420 and if he's prepared to try and kill me, 741 00:55:41,420 --> 00:55:44,660 is he going to be prepared to try and kill Jean and Taji 742 00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:46,243 if on a patrol in that area. 743 00:55:51,637 --> 00:55:54,720 744 00:55:58,254 --> 00:56:01,520 At least clear that Jim had to get out of PNG 745 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,003 and so we went back to Australia. 746 00:56:12,010 --> 00:56:14,890 A lot of things went through my mind. 747 00:56:14,890 --> 00:56:17,010 Is it worthwhile going through this sort 748 00:56:17,919 --> 00:56:19,483 of drama and stress? 749 00:56:23,060 --> 00:56:24,200 I received counseling 750 00:56:28,474 --> 00:56:31,090 and my dad died suddenly, out of the blue 751 00:56:33,298 --> 00:56:34,243 and it hit us hard. 752 00:56:38,428 --> 00:56:40,928 753 00:56:44,028 --> 00:56:44,920 Should I just stay here in Australia 754 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,183 where it's nice and comfortable, 755 00:56:46,183 --> 00:56:48,523 with a lovely house, family? 756 00:56:51,111 --> 00:56:53,570 I can just go back into a normal job 757 00:56:53,570 --> 00:56:58,570 and raise my son and spend more time with my wife, 758 00:56:59,010 --> 00:57:00,810 spend more time with family and friends 759 00:57:00,810 --> 00:57:02,810 and just sort of plod along. 760 00:57:02,810 --> 00:57:05,913 Hey, I've done six, seven years in PNG, that'll do. 761 00:57:11,660 --> 00:57:13,930 So my perspective on that situation 762 00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:15,723 was quite different to Jim's. 763 00:57:17,660 --> 00:57:20,370 My perspective was it's just one man, 764 00:57:20,370 --> 00:57:21,853 don't let him get to you. 765 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,000 I think by that stage, I had invested so much of my energy 766 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,683 and work into it that I wasn't ready to give it all up. 767 00:57:38,670 --> 00:57:40,800 Are our lives worth risking 768 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,163 for the protection of the tree kangaroo and the environment? 769 00:57:45,260 --> 00:57:49,313 And I think in my mind it was like, yeah, it is still. 770 00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,683 And I had to convince him to come back. 771 00:57:58,327 --> 00:58:01,410 772 00:58:06,020 --> 00:58:08,706 Coming back to PNG meant a few changes 773 00:58:08,706 --> 00:58:10,770 to the way in which we worked. 774 00:58:10,770 --> 00:58:12,370 We added more security 775 00:58:12,370 --> 00:58:15,360 and applied for funding to expand the base. 776 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:16,769 When the money came through, 777 00:58:16,769 --> 00:58:19,423 TCA exploded into a frenzy of activity. 778 00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:24,680 Adding 24 new villages to our program 779 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,220 meant we couldn't travel to all of them. 780 00:58:27,220 --> 00:58:30,110 So it made better sense if people came to us. 781 00:58:30,110 --> 00:58:33,250 We built a research station, staff accommodation 782 00:58:33,250 --> 00:58:36,330 and a training center for up to 120 people 783 00:58:36,330 --> 00:58:38,852 to attend our meetings and courses. 784 00:58:38,852 --> 00:58:42,685 785 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,140 We now had 42 villages under the TCA project 786 00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:14,833 and we had two representatives from each village. 787 00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:21,010 This meant that the communication flow could continue. 788 00:59:21,010 --> 00:59:23,600 We could have education programs. 789 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,650 We could still have community engagement. 790 01:00:01,421 --> 01:00:03,480 So we teach the representatives, who in turn, 791 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,013 go back to the villages and teach the others. 792 01:00:11,319 --> 01:00:15,236 793 01:00:36,661 --> 01:00:38,120 With a background in teaching science 794 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,740 at a high school in Australia, my approach was to focus 795 01:00:41,740 --> 01:00:42,670 on the science. 796 01:00:42,670 --> 01:00:44,180 And then through this process, 797 01:00:44,180 --> 01:00:46,700 I realized that learning the facts, 798 01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:49,270 learning the science of species 799 01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:53,220 and protecting the environment is actually quite irrelevant 800 01:00:53,220 --> 01:00:56,650 in the end, because it's about the people themselves, 801 01:00:56,650 --> 01:01:01,640 how they live their lives, how they feel about themselves. 802 01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,610 Their emotional intelligence is really important 803 01:01:04,610 --> 01:01:06,953 to create cultural change. 804 01:01:20,410 --> 01:01:22,760 So I noticed that people didn't have 805 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,270 a lot of confidence in themselves. 806 01:01:24,270 --> 01:01:26,743 They underestimated their capabilities. 807 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,180 And then you're explaining why. 808 01:01:30,180 --> 01:01:34,020 I'm trying to teach people how they can develop the skills 809 01:01:34,020 --> 01:01:36,113 that they need to become independent, 810 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,990 to help communities grow, 811 01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:42,650 not just in terms of their infrastructure 812 01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:44,350 and the things that we provide them, 813 01:01:44,350 --> 01:01:46,323 but help them grow personally. 814 01:02:03,966 --> 01:02:08,383 815 01:02:37,788 --> 01:02:41,121 Okay, you stop, you stop, say yes, okay. 816 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,119 Stop the negative thinking. 817 01:02:44,119 --> 01:02:48,536 818 01:03:01,243 --> 01:03:03,230 A lot of the programs that we've implemented 819 01:03:03,230 --> 01:03:05,840 do involve both men and women. 820 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:10,130 And even though Papua New Guinea is primarily patriarchal, 821 01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:13,850 by nurturing the female leaders that we were recognizing, 822 01:03:13,850 --> 01:03:18,073 that's helped transition, I think, into the 21st century. 823 01:03:18,073 --> 01:03:21,906 824 01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:04,380 It was clear to us when we went to communities 825 01:04:04,380 --> 01:04:06,330 and started to talk to people and were living 826 01:04:06,330 --> 01:04:08,090 in the villages themselves, that, you know, 827 01:04:08,090 --> 01:04:10,420 there were a lot of issues that people had to deal with 828 01:04:10,420 --> 01:04:12,783 and one of the issues was water supply. 829 01:04:17,420 --> 01:04:20,180 Most villages live on the ridges of mountains. 830 01:04:20,180 --> 01:04:21,950 So although plenty of rain, 831 01:04:21,950 --> 01:04:23,850 they don't have any way to collect it. 832 01:04:24,980 --> 01:04:26,040 - Most women that live in the communities 833 01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,380 that we work with, they live on the top of a hill 834 01:04:28,380 --> 01:04:30,960 and they have to go down to the creek to collect water. 835 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,000 And it sometimes can take up to an hour, round trip 836 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,900 and that has to be done every morning and every afternoon. 837 01:04:40,750 --> 01:04:43,700 So it's two hours in a day a woman spends collecting water. 838 01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:48,990 So we applied to the European Union that had a program 839 01:04:48,990 --> 01:04:51,810 called the Rural Water Supply and Sanitation Project 840 01:04:51,810 --> 01:04:54,910 and it was being rolled out throughout the whole country. 841 01:04:54,910 --> 01:04:58,403 So we applied to introduce 243 water tanks. 842 01:05:00,290 --> 01:05:04,260 The idea of doing a water supply program was like, well, 843 01:05:04,260 --> 01:05:05,560 you know, we've never done this before. 844 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:06,600 How are we going to do this? 845 01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,420 It was out of our league, but it was so important 846 01:05:09,420 --> 01:05:11,750 to the local people to actually have something, 847 01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:14,670 some tangible benefit for the conservation work 848 01:05:14,670 --> 01:05:18,110 that they are involved with and so we just had to learn. 849 01:05:18,110 --> 01:05:19,850 Like everything else, you know, 850 01:05:19,850 --> 01:05:22,764 thrown in the deep end and just work it out. 851 01:05:22,764 --> 01:05:25,514 852 01:05:30,490 --> 01:05:31,323 This was messy for us. 853 01:05:31,323 --> 01:05:33,530 I mean, people have to remember that it's just myself 854 01:05:33,530 --> 01:05:35,330 and Jim and the local people. 855 01:05:35,330 --> 01:05:37,430 It was a huge undertaking. 856 01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:40,093 We had to write the grant of our lifetime. 857 01:05:40,093 --> 01:05:42,926 858 01:05:54,739 --> 01:05:57,210 859 01:05:57,210 --> 01:05:59,070 Eventually we got the green light 860 01:05:59,070 --> 01:06:01,973 and what a moment that was when we got the go ahead 861 01:06:01,973 --> 01:06:05,300 to buy all these tanks and help the people out, 862 01:06:05,300 --> 01:06:08,150 more than they've ever been helped before in their lives. 863 01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:16,980 It was something they've always wanted 864 01:06:16,980 --> 01:06:18,440 but never thought they'd get. 865 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,670 A lot of surprise, a lot of eyes like saucepans, 866 01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:24,630 like wow, we're going to be getting how many tanks? 867 01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:27,623 So some villages got you know, more than 10 tanks. 868 01:06:30,817 --> 01:06:33,670 869 01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:35,430 Once we got the grant, we got the green light, 870 01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:37,310 I headed down to Wewak to place the order 871 01:06:37,310 --> 01:06:39,610 for all of these water tanks and the supplies. 872 01:06:42,060 --> 01:06:43,853 So Mikey, are these the 1,000 gallon tanks? 873 01:06:43,853 --> 01:06:45,360 Yeah, this the one. 874 01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,240 - Okay, write this down. 875 01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:48,963 We need 243. 876 01:06:50,058 --> 01:06:54,610 7,290 sheets of tin roofing, 877 01:06:54,610 --> 01:06:55,450 eight foot length. 878 01:06:55,450 --> 01:06:59,020 Now as a small NGO, I'd never really written a big check 879 01:06:59,020 --> 01:07:01,350 before and this was massive. 880 01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:03,600 And I was nervous, I was shaking. 881 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,170 I actually botched the check up, I was that scared. 882 01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:09,120 First time writing a check for nearly 2 million kina. 883 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:10,897 That's a big deal. 884 01:07:10,897 --> 01:07:13,647 885 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,820 When I saw that first truck come up, I was so relieved. 886 01:08:11,820 --> 01:08:13,950 I thought, you beauty. 887 01:08:13,950 --> 01:08:16,810 We can do this, we can make this happen. 888 01:08:17,684 --> 01:08:20,434 889 01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:37,630 We will build a tippy tap. 890 01:08:37,630 --> 01:08:40,750 We will build a VIP toilet. 891 01:08:40,750 --> 01:08:43,591 We will build a tappy tank 892 01:08:43,591 --> 01:08:46,283 to help out village get healthy. 893 01:08:47,197 --> 01:08:49,360 894 01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,080 We had to teach people how to build 895 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:52,280 the water tanks stands, 896 01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,610 putting gutters up and connecting the downpipes 897 01:08:54,610 --> 01:08:57,150 to those gutters and then connecting to the water tank, 898 01:08:57,150 --> 01:09:00,244 explaining the importance of the filter in the water tank. 899 01:09:00,244 --> 01:09:02,280 900 01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,400 The education side of the water program 901 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:05,750 is quite intense. 902 01:09:05,750 --> 01:09:08,570 It's like you taking the community through a whole 903 01:09:08,570 --> 01:09:10,100 step by step process. 904 01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:12,420 It all goes back to this community ownership 905 01:09:12,420 --> 01:09:14,300 and mobilizing the communities, 906 01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:17,610 getting them excited and motivated and yeah, 907 01:09:17,610 --> 01:09:18,860 I really want to do this. 908 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,070 Once we got to the point where the villages 909 01:09:23,070 --> 01:09:25,010 could collect the materials, 910 01:09:25,010 --> 01:09:29,080 then they had to physically carry all of those water tanks 911 01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,378 and cement and tin roofing back to their villages. 912 01:09:32,378 --> 01:09:34,834 913 01:09:34,834 --> 01:09:38,667 914 01:10:11,877 --> 01:10:13,710 They took it, that was huge. 915 01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:15,960 They initiated those consultations 916 01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,320 with their neighbors and organizing the exchange of food 917 01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:23,060 and coordinating those groups to come together. 918 01:10:23,060 --> 01:10:24,360 It's a lot of coordination. 919 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,850 We're talking hundreds of people involved in carrying 920 01:10:27,850 --> 01:10:31,770 those materials from the base, to their village. 921 01:10:31,770 --> 01:10:33,300 So the women were amazing. 922 01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:36,010 They were carrying 40 kilogram bags of concrete 923 01:10:36,010 --> 01:10:40,000 on their heads and carrying children at the same time. 924 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,630 They would then stop, feed everyone 925 01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:44,413 and then away they'd go again. 926 01:10:48,025 --> 01:10:51,942 927 01:12:28,519 --> 01:12:32,186 928 01:13:47,564 --> 01:13:49,791 929 01:13:49,791 --> 01:13:52,541 930 01:13:58,630 --> 01:14:03,047 931 01:14:25,658 --> 01:14:26,491 - Yes! 932 01:14:26,491 --> 01:14:28,180 Everyone's using water tanks. 933 01:14:28,180 --> 01:14:30,040 They've all got tanks and they're all starting 934 01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,050 to tell stories and then the story started to filter in, 935 01:14:33,050 --> 01:14:35,133 how happy everybody was. 936 01:14:36,877 --> 01:14:38,387 You know, people started to go, aw, 937 01:14:38,387 --> 01:14:40,164 here's a tangible benefit. 938 01:14:40,164 --> 01:14:41,830 - That was sort of like, wow, 939 01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:43,520 this is what conservation is about. 940 01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:44,860 We're addressing the issues, 941 01:14:44,860 --> 01:14:47,030 we're giving people what they've asked for 942 01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:48,670 and it's making a difference. 943 01:14:48,670 --> 01:14:52,010 That's when I thought, man, we've made a huge impact. 944 01:14:52,010 --> 01:14:54,850 These animals are not going to be extinct now. 945 01:14:54,850 --> 01:14:56,610 That's what I thought after those water tanks. 946 01:14:56,610 --> 01:14:58,560 That's what I felt, that's what I knew. 947 01:15:00,102 --> 01:15:03,935 948 01:15:40,617 --> 01:15:43,367 949 01:15:44,410 --> 01:15:46,310 When the tanks, the toilets and the tippy taps 950 01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:48,980 were installed, I think that many people saw this 951 01:15:48,980 --> 01:15:52,110 as a sign of our true commitment to the area. 952 01:15:52,110 --> 01:15:54,640 This immediately sparked a more positive attitude 953 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,540 from people towards their environment. 954 01:16:02,661 --> 01:16:05,411 955 01:16:07,856 --> 01:16:10,606 956 01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:16,800 - The only way to do conservation in Melanesia 957 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,820 is on a win-win basis, where the community is gaining 958 01:16:19,820 --> 01:16:22,117 benefits from the conservation of species. 959 01:16:22,117 --> 01:16:24,440 And that is a very difficult thing to do. 960 01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:27,500 Jim and Jean have found an ingenious way of doing that, 961 01:16:27,500 --> 01:16:30,650 where they've in effect, restored the prestige 962 01:16:30,650 --> 01:16:34,010 the Tenkile enjoyed in earlier times when, 963 01:16:34,010 --> 01:16:35,630 it was a fully tribal society 964 01:16:35,630 --> 01:16:38,580 and this was a very deeply spiritual animal for the people. 965 01:16:43,730 --> 01:16:45,883 Now with belief in themselves, 966 01:16:45,883 --> 01:16:48,030 that they can go on with projects 967 01:16:48,030 --> 01:16:51,213 and take the lead for their own environment. 968 01:16:51,213 --> 01:16:54,515 969 01:16:54,515 --> 01:16:57,430 And they're now labeling Tenkile as their gold medal, 970 01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:59,360 their gold medal and they want to keep it shining. 971 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,763 That has been sent to us from the villagers. 972 01:17:03,580 --> 01:17:06,930 - I believe that what Jim and Jean are doing 973 01:17:06,930 --> 01:17:09,750 is absolutely the only way to go 974 01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:12,060 if we care about preserving the forest 975 01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:14,070 and the animals in it. 976 01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:18,450 But unless we can have the local people as our partners, 977 01:17:18,450 --> 01:17:21,430 then we can't hope to conserve 978 01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:23,380 any other animals living in the forest. 979 01:17:29,340 --> 01:17:30,410 When you leave a village, 980 01:17:30,410 --> 01:17:32,280 especially after such a success, 981 01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,460 everyone wants to say goodbye, 982 01:17:34,460 --> 01:17:37,710 and it can take quite a long time to get on your way. 983 01:17:37,710 --> 01:17:40,210 This goodbye was especially important to me 984 01:17:40,210 --> 01:17:43,370 because Jim and I had decided that I would be returning 985 01:17:43,370 --> 01:17:46,960 to Australia with Taji permanently in a month. 986 01:17:53,855 --> 01:17:57,522 987 01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:06,150 Taji needs to start school next year. 988 01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,820 We could stay here and do homeschooling with Taji, 989 01:18:11,820 --> 01:18:13,920 but I just don't want to be his teacher. 990 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,583 I just want to be his mum. 991 01:18:20,140 --> 01:18:21,730 He has never really had a routine. 992 01:18:21,730 --> 01:18:23,810 He's just a free spirit and he can go and do 993 01:18:23,810 --> 01:18:26,773 whatever he wants. 994 01:18:29,780 --> 01:18:32,463 So, I think he's going to really miss a lot of that. 995 01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:37,787 Feel sad about leaving. 996 01:18:37,787 --> 01:18:40,537 I think I'll be in tears in a couple of weeks from now. 997 01:18:47,206 --> 01:18:49,556 - I don't know how I'm gonna cope without Jean. 998 01:18:52,093 --> 01:18:54,460 It's gonna to be difficult emotionally without Jean there 999 01:18:54,460 --> 01:18:57,054 and I'll get lonely, I'll miss her. 1000 01:18:57,054 --> 01:18:59,090 1001 01:18:59,090 --> 01:19:02,140 The day to day activities, talking to the locals 1002 01:19:02,140 --> 01:19:03,003 that'll be fine. 1003 01:19:04,430 --> 01:19:06,820 I won't be able to confide in any one. 1004 01:19:06,820 --> 01:19:10,440 It's going to be very hard without Jean being with me. 1005 01:19:10,440 --> 01:19:12,040 But this is our life, this is my work 1006 01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,110 and conservation is what I do. 1007 01:19:14,110 --> 01:19:16,850 So we're going to have to slowly work our way through it 1008 01:19:16,850 --> 01:19:19,220 and take the hurdles as they come. 1009 01:19:19,220 --> 01:19:22,720 1010 01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:47,020 Last day, I remember being very emotional, 1011 01:19:47,020 --> 01:19:49,860 having to say goodbye to everyone and being female, 1012 01:19:49,860 --> 01:19:52,260 you always have that special bond with women 1013 01:19:52,260 --> 01:19:53,093 in Papua New Guinea. 1014 01:19:53,093 --> 01:19:54,960 You have that real nice connection there. 1015 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,520 And seeing the kids and the kids saying goodbye to Taji, 1016 01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,300 you knew that that was going to be really hard 1017 01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:02,140 for them as well. 1018 01:20:02,140 --> 01:20:03,973 Next time you come back-- 1019 01:20:09,999 --> 01:20:10,832 Bye! 1020 01:20:13,302 --> 01:20:17,357 1021 01:20:17,357 --> 01:20:20,107 1022 01:21:28,005 --> 01:21:29,480 It'll be a test, that's for sure. 1023 01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:30,940 We'll see how it goes. 1024 01:21:30,940 --> 01:21:32,940 Like all of our work over the last you know, 1025 01:21:32,940 --> 01:21:34,790 nearly nine years, we're pretty flexible. 1026 01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:38,790 So if it doesn't work, then we remodify it. 1027 01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:39,833 Go back to the drawing-- 1028 01:21:39,833 --> 01:21:42,400 Evolve, like we have with everything. 1029 01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:43,233 Which will probably mean Jean'll 1030 01:21:43,233 --> 01:21:47,427 have to come back here and Taji'll have to skip school. 1031 01:21:47,427 --> 01:21:50,094 1032 01:21:58,633 --> 01:22:02,216 1033 01:22:14,923 --> 01:22:18,150 So TCA is becoming more sustainable, 1034 01:22:18,150 --> 01:22:20,540 the longer we're running and we're doing that 1035 01:22:20,540 --> 01:22:23,390 by addressing the real issues of the people 1036 01:22:23,390 --> 01:22:27,403 and being realistic on what projects can be successful. 1037 01:22:31,150 --> 01:22:33,610 Fingers crossed that rabbit farming will become 1038 01:22:33,610 --> 01:22:36,830 more successful and it will become part of the norm 1039 01:22:36,830 --> 01:22:38,580 in a couple of generation's time. 1040 01:22:38,580 --> 01:22:39,413 That's the hope. 1041 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,860 We've now embarked upon fish farming, 1042 01:22:45,860 --> 01:22:48,160 which seems to be the easiest so far. 1043 01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:49,720 And so we're breeding fish here 1044 01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,237 and sending out young fish to the villages 1045 01:22:52,237 --> 01:22:53,920 and they're making their own ponds, 1046 01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,950 just digging holes in the ground and letting them fill up 1047 01:22:55,950 --> 01:22:58,663 with rain water and putting their fish in there. 1048 01:23:03,260 --> 01:23:05,100 We want to help the people with their cash crops 1049 01:23:05,100 --> 01:23:06,990 so that they can get money in their pockets 1050 01:23:06,990 --> 01:23:09,210 to pay for school fees, the basic necessities, 1051 01:23:09,210 --> 01:23:11,960 the things that we take for granted in Western society. 1052 01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,630 The cash crops, we're looking at mostly cocoa and vanilla. 1053 01:23:17,630 --> 01:23:19,720 And if we can strengthen those projects 1054 01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,890 through training and providing the markets for them, 1055 01:23:22,890 --> 01:23:25,440 they will have a constant source of income, 1056 01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:26,407 independent of TCA. 1057 01:23:29,380 --> 01:23:32,520 So right now, we're pretty close to establishing 1058 01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:33,710 the Torricelli mountain range 1059 01:23:33,710 --> 01:23:36,602 as a legislated conservation area. 1060 01:23:36,602 --> 01:23:38,766 1061 01:23:38,766 --> 01:23:40,060 1062 01:23:40,060 --> 01:23:41,263 The conservation area will encompass 1063 01:23:41,263 --> 01:23:44,580 the forested areas, where the tree kangaroos live 1064 01:23:44,580 --> 01:23:46,610 and also the villages themselves. 1065 01:23:46,610 --> 01:23:50,000 So everything is under this huge conservation area. 1066 01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:53,090 We spread the net as wide as we possibly can 1067 01:23:53,090 --> 01:23:55,710 so that everything is being addressed. 1068 01:23:55,710 --> 01:23:58,560 The needs of the people, in terms of better lifestyles 1069 01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,820 for them, the management of the rainforest, 1070 01:24:00,820 --> 01:24:03,570 so that they're going to be there for future generations 1071 01:24:03,570 --> 01:24:05,919 and surveying the endangered species 1072 01:24:05,919 --> 01:24:08,393 to make sure that they're improving as well. 1073 01:24:13,390 --> 01:24:16,260 - We just could not predict that we would have 1074 01:24:16,260 --> 01:24:19,100 this much impact on the lives of people, 1075 01:24:19,100 --> 01:24:22,173 not just the lives of the Tenkile tree kangaroo. 1076 01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:26,390 The intention is to actually have the local people 1077 01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:28,147 running this project on their own. 1078 01:24:29,450 --> 01:24:31,920 It's been a long road. 1079 01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:33,680 I think that's the case with conservation 1080 01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,080 anywhere in the world, but we're very happy 1081 01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,430 with the relationship with the Papua New Guinea government. 1082 01:24:38,430 --> 01:24:40,260 - And now we're at the stage where we're waiting 1083 01:24:40,260 --> 01:24:43,800 for the government to give us the final tick of approval 1084 01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:45,950 and we're very close and we're really excited 1085 01:24:45,950 --> 01:24:48,113 about that happening soon, we hope. 1086 01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,110 I think the thing that humbles me most is the local people, 1087 01:24:58,110 --> 01:25:02,850 who have very little, welcomed us into their communities, 1088 01:25:02,850 --> 01:25:04,250 not knowing who we were. 1089 01:25:04,250 --> 01:25:06,660 We were complete strangers to them, 1090 01:25:06,660 --> 01:25:09,750 and yet they were there with open arms saying, 1091 01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:12,123 yes, come let's work together. 1092 01:25:14,078 --> 01:25:15,311 - Gives one great hope really, 1093 01:25:15,311 --> 01:25:18,240 that people can do what they have done and to have brought 1094 01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,690 such a change in such an area as rural PNG. 1095 01:25:21,690 --> 01:25:23,163 It's really remarkable. 1096 01:25:26,630 --> 01:25:28,650 - Jim and Jean have changed a small part of the world 1097 01:25:28,650 --> 01:25:30,170 with their dedication. 1098 01:25:30,170 --> 01:25:32,450 But what's more important is they've taught us 1099 01:25:32,450 --> 01:25:35,180 how to do conservation in tribal areas. 1100 01:25:35,180 --> 01:25:37,390 And that model-led pioneered is going to be valuable 1101 01:25:37,390 --> 01:25:40,240 in South America, Africa and Australasia. 1102 01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,840 I think it's the key to preserving hundreds, 1103 01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:44,383 if not thousands of species. 1104 01:25:47,955 --> 01:25:51,842 - Present this award to Jim and Jean. 1105 01:25:51,842 --> 01:25:55,180 1106 01:25:55,180 --> 01:25:58,440 - This award is extremely special to us 1107 01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:02,240 because it's the first award we've achieved together 1108 01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:05,690 and it really has given both Jean and I a huge boost 1109 01:26:05,690 --> 01:26:09,030 to continue our work in saving the Torricelli mountains, 1110 01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:10,462 working with people. 1111 01:26:10,462 --> 01:26:12,730 With work with 50 villages at the moment. 1112 01:26:12,730 --> 01:26:15,530 We're now being by the Papua New Guinea government 1113 01:26:15,530 --> 01:26:17,920 and this will hopefully, mean we'll be able to protect 1114 01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:20,530 at least 180,000 hectares 1115 01:26:20,530 --> 01:26:23,342 of mid mountain tropical rainforest. 1116 01:26:23,342 --> 01:26:27,425 1117 01:26:31,153 --> 01:26:32,500 - The rainforests of the world 1118 01:26:32,500 --> 01:26:35,340 and around the equator are an essential part 1119 01:26:35,340 --> 01:26:40,340 of the whole system that governs the earth, climatically. 1120 01:26:40,430 --> 01:26:42,850 The vapor which rises from the forest 1121 01:26:42,850 --> 01:26:45,680 to create the conditions in the atmosphere, 1122 01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:47,653 which affect the rest of the world. 1123 01:26:48,670 --> 01:26:51,090 There are changes and always have been changes. 1124 01:26:51,090 --> 01:26:53,850 The speed at which we are now changing the surface 1125 01:26:53,850 --> 01:26:56,640 of our planet is very frightening. 1126 01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:00,063 - Open your eyes, open your mind to what's going on here. 1127 01:27:01,490 --> 01:27:02,833 You've got a choice. 1128 01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:06,480 It's in the world's hands, we've got to do something. 1129 01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:09,343 If we don't do it, we could lose so much. 1130 01:27:12,420 --> 01:27:14,380 - We depend on the natural world 1131 01:27:14,380 --> 01:27:16,480 for every bite of food we take. 1132 01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:19,340 We're dependent on it for every lung full of air. 1133 01:27:19,340 --> 01:27:22,730 We are in short, part of the natural world. 1134 01:27:22,730 --> 01:27:24,680 And if you damage the natural world, 1135 01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:26,993 you damage humanity in the end. 1136 01:27:28,140 --> 01:27:29,920 - To keep them the Torricelli mountain ranges 1137 01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:31,840 protected as a conservation area, 1138 01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:33,293 there's a lot we need to do. 1139 01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,830 We need more support, we need more partners. 1140 01:27:36,830 --> 01:27:39,240 We need more people understanding how important it is 1141 01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:41,700 to save the rainforest in the world. 1142 01:27:41,700 --> 01:27:43,280 And hey, they can start with this one 1143 01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,832 because this is working right here. 1144 01:27:45,832 --> 01:27:48,554 1145 01:27:48,554 --> 01:27:52,387 1146 01:28:42,086 --> 01:28:45,503 83817

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