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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,392 --> 00:00:03,002 Now I understand you had a rough match last night. 2 00:00:03,046 --> 00:00:05,346 Ah, you wrestled a lady, and she got 14 stitches. 3 00:00:05,396 --> 00:00:07,046 Yeah, well... 4 00:00:07,094 --> 00:00:08,574 If that's what it takes to try to win, 5 00:00:08,617 --> 00:00:09,747 that's what I'll do. 6 00:00:09,792 --> 00:00:10,882 [cheering] 7 00:00:10,923 --> 00:00:12,013 You can't say "women's wrestling" 8 00:00:12,055 --> 00:00:14,185 without thinking The Fabulous Moolah. 9 00:00:14,231 --> 00:00:17,231 If she had not run the women's wrestling business, 10 00:00:17,278 --> 00:00:19,058 there may not have been women's wrestling. 11 00:00:19,106 --> 00:00:20,926 Introducing, first, to my right, 12 00:00:20,977 --> 00:00:23,497 former World Women's Champion... 13 00:00:23,545 --> 00:00:25,585 The Fabulous Moolah! 14 00:00:25,634 --> 00:00:27,074 [cheering] 15 00:00:27,114 --> 00:00:29,774 As Moolah, the promoter, I want to make money 16 00:00:29,812 --> 00:00:32,902 for my talent and I want to make money for Moolah. 17 00:00:32,945 --> 00:00:34,295 [cheering] 18 00:00:34,338 --> 00:00:36,428 Oh, come on! 19 00:00:36,471 --> 00:00:40,261 Even to this day, if you say, "women's wrestling," 20 00:00:40,301 --> 00:00:43,911 the picture of Moolah appears in my mind. 21 00:00:43,956 --> 00:00:46,216 ♪ 22 00:00:46,263 --> 00:00:49,053 If Moolah was alive today... 23 00:00:49,092 --> 00:00:50,962 I'd probably slap her. 24 00:00:51,007 --> 00:00:53,837 She was so jealous of any woman 25 00:00:53,879 --> 00:00:57,619 that was younger than her in wrestling. 26 00:00:57,666 --> 00:01:00,756 She was also a manipulator, and she was also a thief. 27 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:04,019 She wanted to hurt me... Bruise me... 28 00:01:04,064 --> 00:01:06,024 [shouting] 29 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:07,416 I'll knock your teeth out! 30 00:01:07,458 --> 00:01:10,368 There was drugs; there was sex; 31 00:01:10,418 --> 00:01:14,118 there was a lot of abuse with Moolah. 32 00:01:14,161 --> 00:01:17,601 I'm like, wow, they waited 'til she passed away to say 33 00:01:17,642 --> 00:01:20,562 all these things so she couldn't stand up and defend herself. 34 00:01:20,602 --> 00:01:24,002 I was warned, but I wanted to wrestle so bad. 35 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,650 She gave her whole life to professional wrestling. 36 00:01:27,696 --> 00:01:31,696 She gave all these girls an opportunity and, 37 00:01:31,743 --> 00:01:34,753 for nobody to stand up for her, I don't know... 38 00:01:34,790 --> 00:01:36,750 just couldn't deal with it. 39 00:01:36,792 --> 00:01:40,192 She was a great professional wrestler... 40 00:01:40,230 --> 00:01:44,450 But she didn't know when to stop. 41 00:01:44,495 --> 00:01:47,015 On this episode, the life... 42 00:01:47,063 --> 00:01:51,153 legend, and controversy of the Fabulous Moolah. 43 00:01:51,198 --> 00:01:54,638 [bell chimes] 44 00:01:54,679 --> 00:01:57,029 ♪ 45 00:01:57,073 --> 00:01:58,733 [match bell chimes] 46 00:01:58,770 --> 00:02:02,730 ...Fabulous Moolah, with a WWF women's title on the line here. 47 00:02:02,774 --> 00:02:05,564 She made all of her costumes herself. 48 00:02:05,603 --> 00:02:08,743 Anything flashy, she loved. 49 00:02:08,780 --> 00:02:10,910 She was just that kind of person. 50 00:02:10,956 --> 00:02:13,786 It really never impressed me that much because, 51 00:02:13,829 --> 00:02:15,959 to me, she was just my mother and I didn't 52 00:02:16,005 --> 00:02:19,835 really realize how popular she was. 53 00:02:19,878 --> 00:02:22,138 My name is Mary Austin, 54 00:02:22,185 --> 00:02:26,095 and I'm the only child of The Fabulous Moolah. 55 00:02:26,146 --> 00:02:28,966 My mother kind of kept me out of the spotlight, 56 00:02:29,018 --> 00:02:31,978 but she loved the spotlight. [laughs] 57 00:02:32,021 --> 00:02:33,501 She was determined to do it. 58 00:02:33,544 --> 00:02:35,204 When you really love something, 59 00:02:35,242 --> 00:02:39,032 you put yourself into it, and she had all of herself into it. 60 00:02:39,071 --> 00:02:41,991 This is one Mary let me have. As you can see, 61 00:02:42,031 --> 00:02:45,341 how beautiful it is - sparkly, just like Moolah liked it. 62 00:02:45,382 --> 00:02:47,212 - [laughs] - Oh, yeah. 63 00:02:47,254 --> 00:02:51,134 My name is Selina Majors. I wrestled as Bambi. 64 00:02:51,171 --> 00:02:52,911 Started in 1986. 65 00:02:52,955 --> 00:02:55,175 I've been in it for 32 years. 66 00:02:55,218 --> 00:02:58,478 I wanted my name, as a kid, to be Dynamite Dixie Majors, 67 00:02:58,526 --> 00:03:00,436 so I've got these big posters that would say, 68 00:03:00,484 --> 00:03:02,404 "The Fabulous Moolah Champion vs. 69 00:03:02,443 --> 00:03:04,793 Dynamite Dixie Majors". 70 00:03:04,836 --> 00:03:08,706 I had this life-size doll, and I'd take that doll and 71 00:03:08,753 --> 00:03:11,283 I would body slam it, and climb up on the bed, 72 00:03:11,321 --> 00:03:13,851 and drop an elbow. 73 00:03:13,889 --> 00:03:16,109 I'd stand in front of the mirror with my hairbrush, 74 00:03:16,152 --> 00:03:18,072 do little interviews and tell Moolah 75 00:03:18,110 --> 00:03:21,380 how I was gonna come and wrestle her. 76 00:03:21,418 --> 00:03:24,598 As you can tell, I like the, the bad guys, the heels. 77 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,639 She was a heel. She played that part. 78 00:03:26,684 --> 00:03:28,254 My name's The Fabulous Moolah. 79 00:03:28,295 --> 00:03:30,245 I've been wrestling since I was 15 years old, 80 00:03:30,297 --> 00:03:33,337 and I am the world's champion lady wrestler. 81 00:03:33,387 --> 00:03:36,647 They hated her, but that's what she wanted. 82 00:03:36,694 --> 00:03:39,314 She's nasty and she cheats! 83 00:03:39,349 --> 00:03:40,829 [shouting] 84 00:03:40,872 --> 00:03:43,532 Oh, I'd fix up a little spoon handle, you know, 85 00:03:43,571 --> 00:03:45,091 about the size of your finger, 86 00:03:45,137 --> 00:03:47,787 roll it up with tape and put it down in my bra. 87 00:03:47,836 --> 00:03:50,356 The meaner she was, the more they liked it, you know. 88 00:03:50,404 --> 00:03:51,974 And she loved being a heel. 89 00:03:52,014 --> 00:03:55,104 Stick it in their eyes, in the throat. 90 00:03:55,147 --> 00:03:56,447 Ha! 91 00:03:56,497 --> 00:03:58,887 The Fabulous Moolah started as a female wrestler, 92 00:03:58,934 --> 00:04:01,284 and then she became the female wrestling champion, 93 00:04:01,328 --> 00:04:04,158 and then she became the booker of all the girl wrestlers. 94 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,860 I first broke into wrestling as a photographer. 95 00:04:06,898 --> 00:04:08,768 I was a 15-year-old kid and I was doing all of the 96 00:04:08,813 --> 00:04:11,253 photography that was sold in the arenas for the entire 97 00:04:11,294 --> 00:04:12,774 Memphis wrestling territory. 98 00:04:12,817 --> 00:04:15,117 "Moolah, can I get a couple of pictures for the magazine?" 99 00:04:15,167 --> 00:04:16,687 Always say for the magazines, right. 100 00:04:16,734 --> 00:04:18,304 "Why of course you can, darling." 101 00:04:18,345 --> 00:04:20,295 And she had her stock poses. Boom, boom, boom, 102 00:04:20,347 --> 00:04:22,997 and 30 seconds and she's off to the ring. 103 00:04:23,045 --> 00:04:26,605 Moolah pioneered the hair pulling, cat fighting, 104 00:04:26,657 --> 00:04:31,487 scratching, crowd-pleasing kind of women's wrestling. 105 00:04:31,532 --> 00:04:35,622 She broke glass ceilings, one after another. 106 00:04:35,666 --> 00:04:39,236 She got into wrestling when there was no women in wrestling. 107 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,889 Women's wrestling was actually banned in Madison Square Garden, 108 00:04:42,934 --> 00:04:46,634 and Moolah was the one that was chosen to break the ban. 109 00:04:46,677 --> 00:04:48,197 She was the featured girl in the 110 00:04:48,244 --> 00:04:50,254 first girl's match in the Garden. 111 00:04:50,290 --> 00:04:54,730 Now that she's almost 60, she's on MTV. 112 00:04:54,772 --> 00:04:58,302 It's 1984, the Rock 'n' Wrestling Connection. 113 00:04:58,341 --> 00:05:01,691 Cyndi Lauper and that whole era of network TV, 114 00:05:01,736 --> 00:05:04,086 and Madison Square Garden, and MTV, 115 00:05:04,129 --> 00:05:05,389 and rock 'n' roll stars... 116 00:05:05,435 --> 00:05:08,475 And this place is ready to explode tonight! 117 00:05:08,525 --> 00:05:12,005 ...Got so much national attention that NBC and 118 00:05:12,050 --> 00:05:13,530 everybody else started looking at, 119 00:05:13,574 --> 00:05:14,924 at pro wrestling. 120 00:05:14,966 --> 00:05:18,926 She made it from the mid-50s to the dawn of MTV, 121 00:05:18,970 --> 00:05:20,450 for the biggest payoff she ever made. 122 00:05:20,494 --> 00:05:22,454 There she is, the fabulous one, 123 00:05:22,496 --> 00:05:24,236 The Fabulous Moolah... 124 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:26,630 putting her title on the line! 125 00:05:26,674 --> 00:05:29,294 There'll never be anyone to have the, 126 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:32,589 the guts that she had. 127 00:05:32,636 --> 00:05:35,766 This must have been really old. 128 00:05:35,813 --> 00:05:37,423 Look at that. Look at her hair. 129 00:05:37,467 --> 00:05:39,767 This is a wrestling license. 130 00:05:39,817 --> 00:05:43,207 Her mom passed away when she was about 9, I think. 131 00:05:43,255 --> 00:05:46,075 And then, it was her dad and her brothers that raised her, 132 00:05:46,128 --> 00:05:48,438 so she learned how to fight real early. 133 00:05:48,478 --> 00:05:50,608 It was rough for her. 134 00:05:50,654 --> 00:05:54,014 I was an only child and she was just a teenager. 135 00:05:54,049 --> 00:05:57,139 She went to wrestling matches every week, 136 00:05:57,182 --> 00:05:58,662 and my mother saw Mildred Burke. 137 00:05:58,706 --> 00:06:00,656 She said, "That's what I want to be." 138 00:06:00,708 --> 00:06:03,358 It's Mildred Burke, of Los Angeles, California, 139 00:06:03,406 --> 00:06:04,836 World Champion. 140 00:06:04,886 --> 00:06:06,496 Back in the 30s and 40s, 141 00:06:06,540 --> 00:06:09,110 Mildred Burke was such a legitimate athlete. 142 00:06:09,151 --> 00:06:10,761 She was in tremendous shape, 143 00:06:10,805 --> 00:06:13,495 and she just had a natural flair for, for wrestling. 144 00:06:13,547 --> 00:06:15,417 But behind the scenes, Billy Wolfe, 145 00:06:15,462 --> 00:06:17,422 Mildred Burke's husband, was pulling the strings and 146 00:06:17,464 --> 00:06:19,254 managing the whole women's troop, 147 00:06:19,291 --> 00:06:21,381 for good and bad. 148 00:06:21,424 --> 00:06:25,214 When she was 17 or 18, she went to see Billy Wolfe. 149 00:06:25,254 --> 00:06:27,044 When you became a wrestler for Billy Wolfe, 150 00:06:27,082 --> 00:06:30,092 you automatically had to... go to bed with him. 151 00:06:30,128 --> 00:06:32,298 She said she wasn't doing it, 152 00:06:32,348 --> 00:06:34,348 and she could find some other way to wrestle without 153 00:06:34,394 --> 00:06:37,054 having to go to bed with him or anyone else. 154 00:06:37,092 --> 00:06:38,792 What's the worst experience you, 155 00:06:38,833 --> 00:06:40,103 you might want to say that, like, 156 00:06:40,138 --> 00:06:41,618 you ever had with a promoter? 157 00:06:41,662 --> 00:06:44,192 [laughs] That's kind of hard to talk about. 158 00:06:44,229 --> 00:06:45,839 - Really is. - Hm. 159 00:06:45,883 --> 00:06:47,673 The Fabulous Moolah, at one point, 160 00:06:47,711 --> 00:06:49,801 was married to a guy named Buddy Lee. 161 00:06:49,844 --> 00:06:51,764 Buddy Lee used to wrestle. 162 00:06:51,802 --> 00:06:54,852 Of course, they met and they sort of fell for each other. 163 00:06:54,892 --> 00:06:57,422 And, she did most of the wrestling, 164 00:06:57,460 --> 00:06:59,720 and he did most of the booking. 165 00:06:59,767 --> 00:07:02,247 She basically copied the 166 00:07:02,291 --> 00:07:05,341 Mildred Burke and Billy Wolfe playbook. 167 00:07:05,381 --> 00:07:07,731 They kept their own stable; they took all the bookings. 168 00:07:07,775 --> 00:07:10,075 And more importantly, a booking fee 169 00:07:10,125 --> 00:07:12,335 out of all of the girls' pay. 170 00:07:12,388 --> 00:07:15,038 You knew right off the bat why she got in the business 171 00:07:15,086 --> 00:07:17,346 and why she wanted to be a star: 172 00:07:17,393 --> 00:07:20,053 she loved money. [laughs] 173 00:07:20,091 --> 00:07:21,661 ♪ 174 00:07:21,702 --> 00:07:23,622 Moolah would play such a dominant role in 175 00:07:23,660 --> 00:07:26,580 women's wrestling that in 2018, 176 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:28,710 11 years after her death, 177 00:07:28,752 --> 00:07:31,802 her memory still loomed over the sport. 178 00:07:31,842 --> 00:07:34,192 The WWE made the announcement on March the 12th, 179 00:07:34,236 --> 00:07:36,106 that they were going to honor The Fabulous Moolah 180 00:07:36,151 --> 00:07:39,071 by having The Fabulous Moolah Memorial Battle Royal. 181 00:07:39,110 --> 00:07:42,240 I thought it was very nice that they would name it after her. 182 00:07:42,287 --> 00:07:44,637 Keeping her legacy going. 183 00:07:44,681 --> 00:07:48,081 2 or 3 days later, that'd all been taken away. 184 00:07:48,119 --> 00:07:50,299 Let's talk about The Fabulous Moolah controversy. 185 00:07:50,339 --> 00:07:52,169 I think it's a bunch of bull. 186 00:07:52,210 --> 00:07:54,300 I really think it's a bunch of bull. 187 00:07:54,343 --> 00:07:56,043 Moolah has an awful past. 188 00:07:56,084 --> 00:07:58,264 Some really, really sick shit. 189 00:07:58,303 --> 00:07:59,653 She was an evil person. 190 00:07:59,696 --> 00:08:01,956 Moolah was pimping girls out. 191 00:08:02,003 --> 00:08:03,273 A lot of the stuff was alleged, 192 00:08:03,308 --> 00:08:04,958 we gotta say that. It's alleged. 193 00:08:05,006 --> 00:08:07,226 Grossed out about it. Name it something else. 194 00:08:07,269 --> 00:08:09,179 It's not hard. Scrap it. 195 00:08:09,227 --> 00:08:11,837 ♪ 196 00:08:11,882 --> 00:08:13,492 Stories started coming out on the internet, 197 00:08:13,536 --> 00:08:16,096 Fabulous Moolah, suddenly, was a horrible person 198 00:08:16,147 --> 00:08:18,537 who took advantage of all these women, 199 00:08:18,585 --> 00:08:21,105 and pimped 'em out, and fed 'em drugs, 200 00:08:21,152 --> 00:08:22,682 and all this stuff. 201 00:08:22,719 --> 00:08:26,029 They contacted the sponsors and they had to take her name off. 202 00:08:26,070 --> 00:08:28,940 I was very shocked because I knew better. 203 00:08:28,986 --> 00:08:30,856 I knew none of that was true. 204 00:08:30,901 --> 00:08:35,171 And, thanks to Nigel, he took the lead way on it. 205 00:08:35,210 --> 00:08:36,650 My name is Nigel Sherrod. 206 00:08:36,690 --> 00:08:39,210 I'm mostly known as a wrestling host. 207 00:08:39,257 --> 00:08:42,347 The "Fight for Moolah" campaign came about because 208 00:08:42,391 --> 00:08:46,131 we started a petition to put the truth out there, 209 00:08:46,177 --> 00:08:49,787 and to honor the woman who broke down the walls 210 00:08:49,833 --> 00:08:51,233 for everybody else. 211 00:08:51,269 --> 00:08:52,969 I just wanted to clear her name because 212 00:08:53,010 --> 00:08:55,580 Moolah's not here to defend herself. 213 00:08:55,622 --> 00:08:58,672 Did Moolah, indeed, take advantage of the girls? 214 00:08:58,712 --> 00:09:00,242 Some of the girls have said yes, 215 00:09:00,278 --> 00:09:01,848 some of the girls have said no. 216 00:09:01,889 --> 00:09:05,889 I think that it was ignorant canceling The Fabulous Moolah 217 00:09:05,936 --> 00:09:09,196 Memorial Battle Royal because I interviewed 218 00:09:09,244 --> 00:09:12,514 over 20 women, and they all said the same thing: 219 00:09:12,552 --> 00:09:13,992 "There's no truth to those rumors." 220 00:09:14,031 --> 00:09:15,601 ♪ 221 00:09:15,642 --> 00:09:19,302 Accusations about Moolah polarized the wrestling world. 222 00:09:19,341 --> 00:09:22,651 They originated from an investigative newspaper story 223 00:09:22,692 --> 00:09:25,302 that quoted serious allegations by the family 224 00:09:25,347 --> 00:09:28,607 of one of her former wrestlers. 225 00:09:28,655 --> 00:09:31,345 St. Mark, if you see these guys moving around, 226 00:09:31,396 --> 00:09:34,046 they, they are a professional film company, 227 00:09:34,095 --> 00:09:37,705 and they are doing an episode dealing with 228 00:09:37,751 --> 00:09:40,451 pro women wrestlers... 229 00:09:40,492 --> 00:09:44,582 which one of 'em was my mother, South Carolina's 230 00:09:44,627 --> 00:09:47,107 first black female professional wrestler, 231 00:09:47,151 --> 00:09:48,681 Sweet Georgia Brown. 232 00:09:48,718 --> 00:09:52,158 [applause] 233 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,070 I'm Michael McCoy. 234 00:09:54,115 --> 00:09:57,725 I'm Senior Pastor at St. Mark Baptist Church. 235 00:09:57,771 --> 00:10:00,861 That article that came out in the Columbia Free Times, 236 00:10:00,904 --> 00:10:04,174 it was about what my mother had to go through and endure 237 00:10:04,212 --> 00:10:06,002 while she was in wrestling. 238 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,910 I started a search to try to find out the truth. 239 00:10:08,956 --> 00:10:10,826 Maybe you could just tell us your name and 240 00:10:10,871 --> 00:10:12,001 a little bit about yourself. 241 00:10:12,046 --> 00:10:14,046 Yes, my name is Barbara Harsey, 242 00:10:14,091 --> 00:10:18,571 and I am the proud daughter of Susie Mae McCoy. 243 00:10:18,618 --> 00:10:21,798 - Who is also known as? - Sweet Georgia Brown. 244 00:10:21,838 --> 00:10:23,708 ♪ 245 00:10:23,753 --> 00:10:26,973 When my mom went into wrestling, 246 00:10:27,017 --> 00:10:31,107 she was with the so-called great Moolah. 247 00:10:31,152 --> 00:10:33,812 She said she was forced to do 248 00:10:33,850 --> 00:10:37,380 a lot of things against her will. 249 00:10:37,419 --> 00:10:39,939 Now, these are just stories that I heard. 250 00:10:39,987 --> 00:10:41,817 Do I know any truth to 'em? 251 00:10:41,858 --> 00:10:45,078 No, I can't sit here and say I know truth to it or not. 252 00:10:45,122 --> 00:10:48,522 But, you know, when more than 1, 2, 3 people 253 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:51,560 saying the same story... 254 00:10:51,607 --> 00:10:53,777 You know, somebody ain't lying. 255 00:10:53,827 --> 00:10:59,527 ♪ 256 00:10:59,571 --> 00:11:02,441 Philip... Honey. 257 00:11:02,487 --> 00:11:06,667 Can you walk these guys outside and show them the banister? 258 00:11:06,709 --> 00:11:08,059 This is my husband, Philip. 259 00:11:08,102 --> 00:11:09,712 - Hi, how are y'all doing? - How's it going? 260 00:11:09,756 --> 00:11:11,236 Sure, sure I can. 261 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:13,539 ♪ 262 00:11:13,585 --> 00:11:15,885 - Back here, hanging. - Oh, wow. 263 00:11:15,936 --> 00:11:19,286 Back when Moolah died, my husband, 264 00:11:19,330 --> 00:11:24,600 he went over to tear down the barn that the ring was in, 265 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,510 and he found a banister, the women's wrestlers, 266 00:11:28,557 --> 00:11:30,727 and he brought it back, thought I would want, 267 00:11:30,777 --> 00:11:33,167 you know, keep it. 268 00:11:33,214 --> 00:11:35,044 For the better part of 25 years, 269 00:11:35,085 --> 00:11:37,605 every top girl wrestler was trained by Moolah, 270 00:11:37,653 --> 00:11:40,533 booked out by Moolah, and was controlled by, 271 00:11:40,569 --> 00:11:42,009 by Moolah's group. 272 00:11:42,049 --> 00:11:44,309 Can you tell us who Sweet Georgia Brown was? 273 00:11:44,355 --> 00:11:48,795 Yeah, she was one of the, the first African American women 274 00:11:48,838 --> 00:11:52,098 to wrestle, and my mother trained her. 275 00:11:52,146 --> 00:11:55,236 Believe it or not, it was on a mattress in the living room. 276 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:57,589 ♪ 277 00:11:57,629 --> 00:12:00,629 It was unreal, but they learned a lot. 278 00:12:00,676 --> 00:12:03,636 I was told she had that drive to go get it. 279 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,329 You know, it was like she had a purpose, 280 00:12:05,376 --> 00:12:07,806 she wanted to be there. 281 00:12:07,857 --> 00:12:09,767 The first time I seen her wrestling, 282 00:12:09,816 --> 00:12:11,296 the place was jam packed. 283 00:12:11,339 --> 00:12:12,819 Throwing each other out the ring, 284 00:12:12,862 --> 00:12:16,132 they're kicking, body slamming. 285 00:12:16,170 --> 00:12:19,520 I just figured, you know, this is one tough lady. 286 00:12:19,564 --> 00:12:23,394 Being one of the first black females to get into the 287 00:12:23,438 --> 00:12:28,138 wrestling business, the KKKs was at their fullest. 288 00:12:28,182 --> 00:12:31,272 Segregation was really bad at that time. 289 00:12:31,315 --> 00:12:32,615 Whenever they were on the road, 290 00:12:32,664 --> 00:12:34,884 my mother was very protective. 291 00:12:34,928 --> 00:12:36,928 There was a time in Mississippi, 292 00:12:36,973 --> 00:12:40,323 she did have a run-in with some KKKs. 293 00:12:40,368 --> 00:12:43,498 She was thrown on the floor of the bus, 294 00:12:43,545 --> 00:12:45,935 and she was scared for her life. 295 00:12:45,982 --> 00:12:48,812 ♪ 296 00:12:48,855 --> 00:12:51,505 She'd 'a had to have been super passionate because, see, 297 00:12:51,553 --> 00:12:55,253 in 1964, she was ranked #4 in the world. 298 00:12:55,296 --> 00:12:57,906 If she would 'a had the opportunity to fight for 299 00:12:57,951 --> 00:13:00,481 the world's title, she probably would 'a won it, 300 00:13:00,518 --> 00:13:03,428 but Moolah was most definitely not gonna let a 301 00:13:03,478 --> 00:13:07,128 student challenge her for the world's title. 302 00:13:07,177 --> 00:13:08,827 ♪ 303 00:13:08,875 --> 00:13:12,005 When my mom went into wrestling, 304 00:13:12,052 --> 00:13:14,792 she left us with one of her sisters. 305 00:13:14,837 --> 00:13:18,227 She'd call us names, "half-breeds." 306 00:13:18,275 --> 00:13:20,495 She was a witch. 307 00:13:20,538 --> 00:13:23,848 God forgive me. She's dead and gone. 308 00:13:23,890 --> 00:13:26,680 Every time my mother went on the road and she come back, 309 00:13:26,718 --> 00:13:28,848 just about, she was pregnant. 310 00:13:28,895 --> 00:13:31,285 One of my aunts said that, "Every time you come back home, 311 00:13:31,332 --> 00:13:32,862 you come back home with one of these half, 312 00:13:32,899 --> 00:13:36,249 half white kids, half-breeds," and we got mistreated, 313 00:13:36,293 --> 00:13:39,863 you know, for years growing up because of our color. 314 00:13:39,906 --> 00:13:43,606 I hated where she had left us. 315 00:13:43,648 --> 00:13:45,518 I hated her career. 316 00:13:45,563 --> 00:13:48,703 But then, when I got the full story... 317 00:13:48,740 --> 00:13:52,660 from her, I kind of understood. 318 00:13:52,701 --> 00:13:59,361 There's a lot of abuse with Moolah and Buddy Lee. 319 00:13:59,403 --> 00:14:01,323 I saw her one time; 320 00:14:01,362 --> 00:14:04,102 this big old car had pulled up. 321 00:14:04,147 --> 00:14:06,667 She was getting out the back of the car, 322 00:14:06,715 --> 00:14:10,455 and it was only for a few hours. 323 00:14:10,501 --> 00:14:13,461 I didn't know the man's name at the time, 324 00:14:13,504 --> 00:14:16,684 but he thought it was time to go. 325 00:14:16,725 --> 00:14:19,505 My sister and I, we grabbed hold of her leg, 326 00:14:19,554 --> 00:14:22,214 but he kind of like pushed her, 327 00:14:22,252 --> 00:14:24,952 and she hit her head getting into the car. 328 00:14:24,994 --> 00:14:27,744 I don't know if it was intentionally, 329 00:14:27,779 --> 00:14:30,569 or it was an accident. 330 00:14:30,608 --> 00:14:33,218 My mom said everywhere she went and 331 00:14:33,263 --> 00:14:35,833 everything she did was done 332 00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:39,485 according to Buddy Lee and Moolah. 333 00:14:39,530 --> 00:14:43,750 I think she thought that it was gonna be glamorous and glory, 334 00:14:43,795 --> 00:14:47,055 but it turned out to be something totally different. 335 00:14:47,103 --> 00:14:48,323 ♪ 336 00:14:48,365 --> 00:14:52,405 I heard different stories about my mother. 337 00:14:52,456 --> 00:14:54,146 It's real sad. 338 00:14:54,197 --> 00:14:58,937 And I have, I have no reason not to believe that account. 339 00:14:58,985 --> 00:15:02,675 There was one gruesome time that we talked about. 340 00:15:02,727 --> 00:15:07,987 She was told to drink, and pop pills, 341 00:15:08,037 --> 00:15:12,517 and she was made to have... 342 00:15:12,563 --> 00:15:14,443 sex with other men. 343 00:15:14,478 --> 00:15:17,128 On the road, some of the promoters would pay 344 00:15:17,177 --> 00:15:20,917 some of the girls until they slept with other promoters. 345 00:15:20,963 --> 00:15:27,233 From what my mother told me, she was their favorite. 346 00:15:27,274 --> 00:15:31,104 And you can call it entertaining or whatever... 347 00:15:31,147 --> 00:15:33,757 It's still pimping and prostitution. 348 00:15:33,802 --> 00:15:35,802 ♪ 349 00:15:35,847 --> 00:15:38,237 Buddy Lee was not a nice person, 350 00:15:38,285 --> 00:15:40,415 and my mother was on the road, 351 00:15:40,461 --> 00:15:42,681 and she came home a day early and caught him 352 00:15:42,724 --> 00:15:46,214 in her bed with one of the girls that she trained. 353 00:15:46,249 --> 00:15:48,599 And, she threw Buddy out; that was it. 354 00:15:48,643 --> 00:15:50,693 A lot of the girls went with him. 355 00:15:50,732 --> 00:15:53,652 Georgia Brown was one of the girls that went with Buddy. 356 00:15:53,691 --> 00:15:56,091 I started to search for my father, and then, 357 00:15:56,129 --> 00:15:57,959 one of the first places where I started was 358 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,830 with The Fabulous Moolah. 359 00:15:59,871 --> 00:16:03,401 Honestly, I was almost kind of afraid a little bit because 360 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,310 I heard of the Moolah that everybody else 361 00:16:05,355 --> 00:16:07,705 talked about, but... 362 00:16:07,749 --> 00:16:12,279 the Moolah that I met, she seemed to be a fine lady. 363 00:16:12,319 --> 00:16:13,709 I asked Moolah, 364 00:16:13,755 --> 00:16:16,145 "Did my mother ever talk about who my father was?" 365 00:16:16,192 --> 00:16:18,112 And Moolah took me to her wall and 366 00:16:18,151 --> 00:16:21,591 she pointed out this one picture... 367 00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:24,642 And I said, "Who is this guy right here in the middle?" 368 00:16:24,679 --> 00:16:28,249 And she said, "Well, his name is Buddy Lee." 369 00:16:28,291 --> 00:16:30,691 He was kind of rough on the girls. 370 00:16:30,728 --> 00:16:33,298 I think that happened with Sweet Georgia Brown, 371 00:16:33,340 --> 00:16:36,040 that she was one that had to go to bed with Buddy. 372 00:16:36,082 --> 00:16:39,172 And, matter of fact, I think the son, Michael, 373 00:16:39,215 --> 00:16:41,695 is proof of that. 374 00:16:41,739 --> 00:16:44,349 If Buddy Lee's my father, then that's who he is. 375 00:16:44,394 --> 00:16:46,834 I wasn't coming in to look for anything and 376 00:16:46,875 --> 00:16:48,305 I didn't want anything. 377 00:16:48,355 --> 00:16:52,915 I just wanted to close a chapter in my life. 378 00:16:52,968 --> 00:16:55,968 I knew that everything was over 379 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:59,055 when my uncle burned up 380 00:16:59,105 --> 00:17:02,195 all of her stuff and he poured gas on it, 381 00:17:02,238 --> 00:17:05,758 and he set it on fire. 382 00:17:05,807 --> 00:17:08,807 Right there in front of us. 383 00:17:08,853 --> 00:17:11,513 At the end, she kind of thanked him because of 384 00:17:11,552 --> 00:17:14,422 the things that she had to endure, 385 00:17:14,468 --> 00:17:18,778 the things that she was made to do by Moolah, 386 00:17:18,820 --> 00:17:23,390 by Buddy Lee, by the industry itself. 387 00:17:23,433 --> 00:17:27,133 Listening to your mom describe some of the 388 00:17:27,176 --> 00:17:30,436 most horrific things she had to do, 389 00:17:30,484 --> 00:17:32,924 you can't just walk away. 390 00:17:32,964 --> 00:17:35,534 Regardless of the abuse she went through, 391 00:17:35,576 --> 00:17:38,616 regardless of if they made her use drugs, 392 00:17:38,666 --> 00:17:42,096 they made her use alcohol, whether they pimped her... 393 00:17:42,148 --> 00:17:44,448 She still was South Carolina's 394 00:17:44,498 --> 00:17:47,408 first black female professional wrestler. 395 00:17:47,457 --> 00:17:50,807 Honor it. 396 00:17:50,852 --> 00:17:53,162 Sweet Georgia Brown's life was shaped by 397 00:17:53,202 --> 00:17:55,642 forces beyond her control. 398 00:17:55,683 --> 00:17:57,553 For Moolah to succeed, 399 00:17:57,598 --> 00:18:00,988 she would need to build her own women's wrestling empire. 400 00:18:01,036 --> 00:18:06,126 ♪ 401 00:18:06,172 --> 00:18:08,302 The Fabulous Moolah single-handedly built her 402 00:18:08,348 --> 00:18:10,698 women's training school into a powerhouse 403 00:18:10,741 --> 00:18:13,001 that dominated the industry. 404 00:18:13,048 --> 00:18:16,698 It attracted young women eager to follow in her footsteps. 405 00:18:16,747 --> 00:18:19,447 In Columbia, South Carolina, there was a location called 406 00:18:19,489 --> 00:18:23,189 Moolah Drive [laughs] and on Moolah Drive was the 407 00:18:23,232 --> 00:18:25,452 house that Moolah built, and also, 408 00:18:25,495 --> 00:18:28,535 a variety of other buildings. It was a compound. 409 00:18:28,585 --> 00:18:30,195 The women not only trained there, 410 00:18:30,239 --> 00:18:32,069 but they lived on the property and 411 00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:35,851 Moolah presided over it like a mother lion. 412 00:18:35,897 --> 00:18:38,987 She took girls from all walks of life, 413 00:18:39,030 --> 00:18:42,690 and she brought 'em in, she taught 'em a skill. 414 00:18:42,730 --> 00:18:45,730 She put it together like a group or a union and 415 00:18:45,776 --> 00:18:49,256 took care of the girls, and made sure they were taken care of. 416 00:18:49,302 --> 00:18:52,172 She was one of the most powerful women 417 00:18:52,218 --> 00:18:53,568 in the wrestling business. 418 00:18:53,610 --> 00:18:55,660 If you were a female wrestler at that point and 419 00:18:55,699 --> 00:18:57,959 you wanted to get booked, you pretty much had to 420 00:18:58,006 --> 00:19:00,786 go through Moolah or you weren't gonna work. 421 00:19:00,835 --> 00:19:03,315 ♪ 422 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,839 - I have a bunch of questions. - Okay. 423 00:19:05,883 --> 00:19:07,673 I took my truth serum before I came in. 424 00:19:07,711 --> 00:19:09,061 Okay. [laughs] 425 00:19:09,104 --> 00:19:11,854 My name is Wendi Richter. 426 00:19:11,889 --> 00:19:13,849 Wendi Richter! 427 00:19:13,891 --> 00:19:17,291 I was a professional wrestler for over 20 years. 428 00:19:17,330 --> 00:19:19,720 The first time I ever watched a wrestling match, 429 00:19:19,767 --> 00:19:24,987 I watched The Fabulous Moolah vs. Vivian St. John. 430 00:19:25,033 --> 00:19:29,083 And I told my friend, "I could beat Moolah." 431 00:19:29,124 --> 00:19:32,354 The referee gave me Moolah's phone number. 432 00:19:32,388 --> 00:19:35,568 She told me to come on to Columbia, South Carolina. 433 00:19:35,609 --> 00:19:37,999 I was there within 2 weeks. 434 00:19:38,046 --> 00:19:39,566 My name's Victoria Otis. 435 00:19:39,613 --> 00:19:43,403 I wrestled as Princess Victoria... 436 00:19:43,443 --> 00:19:46,053 ...Victoria! 437 00:19:46,097 --> 00:19:49,227 I come from a very, very abusive childhood, 438 00:19:49,275 --> 00:19:52,575 and that's basically what took me to wrestling. 439 00:19:52,626 --> 00:19:54,106 You had to want it. 440 00:19:54,149 --> 00:19:57,239 You had to bleed, you had to cry. 441 00:19:57,283 --> 00:19:59,763 When I was wrestling, it had been about a year, 442 00:19:59,807 --> 00:20:02,457 and I was told by my promoter, 443 00:20:02,505 --> 00:20:04,675 "Look, I've done all I can do. 444 00:20:04,725 --> 00:20:06,805 I've tried to get you booked other places. 445 00:20:06,857 --> 00:20:08,467 The only way I can get you booked is 446 00:20:08,511 --> 00:20:10,771 I gotta send you to Moolah." 447 00:20:10,818 --> 00:20:13,118 I still remember a friend of mine telling me, 448 00:20:13,168 --> 00:20:15,258 "Vickie," he said, "Don't go to Moolah's. 449 00:20:15,301 --> 00:20:17,431 Find a job, get on your feet. 450 00:20:17,477 --> 00:20:19,697 Just don't go to Moolah's." 451 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:23,530 I was warned, but I wanted to wrestle so bad. 452 00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:26,270 ♪ 453 00:20:26,312 --> 00:20:28,882 When you first got to the property, 454 00:20:28,923 --> 00:20:31,193 there's these big gates. 455 00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:33,360 After dark, the gates were locked. 456 00:20:33,406 --> 00:20:36,056 If you weren't home and you weren't working, 457 00:20:36,104 --> 00:20:38,544 you got locked out. 458 00:20:38,585 --> 00:20:42,145 Moolah had a roommate named Diamond Lil, 459 00:20:42,197 --> 00:20:46,847 and we all called her Katie. And, I really like Katie. 460 00:20:46,897 --> 00:20:49,197 My name is Diamond Lil, 461 00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:52,288 and Buddy Lee named me Diamond Lil. 462 00:20:52,338 --> 00:20:54,118 Katie come from a hard background too, 463 00:20:54,165 --> 00:20:55,945 and she was a wrestler, and she lived 464 00:20:55,993 --> 00:20:59,433 in the house with Moo, and she called her Ma. 465 00:20:59,475 --> 00:21:01,425 And she's been right there with my mother 466 00:21:01,477 --> 00:21:04,177 through thick and thin. 467 00:21:04,219 --> 00:21:08,959 Katie liked to drink beer, but she wasn't allowed to. 468 00:21:09,006 --> 00:21:11,266 Katie used to come out to the pond and go fishing, 469 00:21:11,313 --> 00:21:13,363 then I come in there and drop a 6-pack in the pond, 470 00:21:13,402 --> 00:21:16,882 and her and I'd sit there and drink beer. [laughs] 471 00:21:16,927 --> 00:21:20,147 I was famous for getting the beer on the property. [laughs] 472 00:21:20,191 --> 00:21:22,061 ♪ 473 00:21:22,106 --> 00:21:23,976 They had apartments. 474 00:21:24,021 --> 00:21:27,461 And she would put 2 or 3 girls in there at a time, 475 00:21:27,503 --> 00:21:30,903 and they would come down to the gym every morning. 476 00:21:30,941 --> 00:21:35,471 What I remember the most about my training at Moolah's 477 00:21:35,511 --> 00:21:39,041 was learning to drop kick. 478 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,300 I would go out there and drop kick, 479 00:21:42,344 --> 00:21:45,394 and drop kick, and drop kick, and just land on the mat. 480 00:21:45,434 --> 00:21:48,184 The mat wasn't soft. It was all bloody, 481 00:21:48,219 --> 00:21:51,789 and by that time, a lot of it was mine. 482 00:21:51,832 --> 00:21:55,272 There were buckets strategically placed. 483 00:21:55,314 --> 00:21:57,844 And it wasn't if you were gonna throw up, 484 00:21:57,881 --> 00:21:59,711 it was when you were gonna throw up and 485 00:21:59,753 --> 00:22:02,413 would you hit the bucket? 486 00:22:02,451 --> 00:22:05,631 The one thing that Moolah taught me, 487 00:22:05,672 --> 00:22:08,152 take a bite and growl. 488 00:22:08,196 --> 00:22:10,236 ♪ 489 00:22:10,285 --> 00:22:12,365 Moolah, she never trained me. 490 00:22:12,418 --> 00:22:18,768 She just took the money and she had the girls train me. 491 00:22:18,815 --> 00:22:20,295 She wanted her $300. 492 00:22:20,339 --> 00:22:24,389 Now, can you imagine, 4 girls in one little house, 493 00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:30,570 she's getting $1200 a month? In the 80s! 494 00:22:30,610 --> 00:22:33,400 And on top of that, she's taking 25% off of 495 00:22:33,439 --> 00:22:37,489 what she's telling us we're paid. 496 00:22:37,530 --> 00:22:39,450 Bull puggy. 497 00:22:39,488 --> 00:22:41,358 I'm sitting here 24 hours a day, 498 00:22:41,403 --> 00:22:44,013 making your connections with the promoters. 499 00:22:44,058 --> 00:22:46,838 All you got to do is sit your lazy butt in the car 500 00:22:46,887 --> 00:22:49,407 and go to wrestle, and collect their money and 501 00:22:49,455 --> 00:22:53,625 send me 25%. And I thought that was... 502 00:22:53,676 --> 00:22:55,496 that was fair. 503 00:22:55,548 --> 00:22:57,808 ♪ 504 00:22:57,854 --> 00:23:01,604 There's a picture of me in this brown outfit that 505 00:23:01,641 --> 00:23:04,951 Moolah presented to me at Christmas in front of 506 00:23:04,992 --> 00:23:08,522 all the girls, after she had given all of them 507 00:23:08,561 --> 00:23:11,351 a 5, or $10 gift. 508 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:14,310 That was no cheap outfit. That was hand-beaded. 509 00:23:14,349 --> 00:23:18,269 That was a 2 to $300 outfit. She couldn't take me in 510 00:23:18,309 --> 00:23:20,399 privately and give me this outfit, 511 00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:21,972 she had to do it in front of the girls. 512 00:23:22,009 --> 00:23:26,229 That was another one of her little manipulation things. 513 00:23:26,274 --> 00:23:28,974 Everything brings back memories now, 514 00:23:29,016 --> 00:23:33,276 and it's like the flood gates get opened. 515 00:23:33,324 --> 00:23:35,414 I was in a match. 516 00:23:35,457 --> 00:23:38,327 I know it was the first or second week in September 1984. 517 00:23:38,373 --> 00:23:40,813 - [dogs barking] - A girl... 518 00:23:40,854 --> 00:23:46,084 Shut up! 519 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:50,340 [sighs] Um... 520 00:23:50,385 --> 00:23:53,905 The night I broke my neck in the ring. 521 00:23:53,954 --> 00:23:59,924 A girl stumbled and she sat on my head. 522 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:03,220 That was the day my world fell apart. 523 00:24:03,267 --> 00:24:05,227 ♪ 524 00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:07,879 It hurt so bad I couldn't stand it. 525 00:24:07,924 --> 00:24:10,584 I remember a moment at the hospital, 526 00:24:10,623 --> 00:24:13,193 they had my neck braced. 527 00:24:13,234 --> 00:24:16,114 I remember being on a cot. 528 00:24:16,150 --> 00:24:18,330 Then the next thing I remember, 529 00:24:18,369 --> 00:24:21,759 I don't know how, but I'm back at Moolah's property 530 00:24:21,808 --> 00:24:23,508 and Moolah's walking me out to the ring. 531 00:24:23,549 --> 00:24:25,249 She said, "I want to see if you can take a bump." 532 00:24:25,289 --> 00:24:28,159 I took a bump and I cried. 533 00:24:28,205 --> 00:24:29,815 Every time I took a bump, 534 00:24:29,859 --> 00:24:33,429 I felt like something was exploding. 535 00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:36,522 This went on for a month, two months. 536 00:24:36,562 --> 00:24:38,782 Moo comes to me one day, she said, 537 00:24:38,825 --> 00:24:41,345 "Hon, if you go see this guy in Holland, 538 00:24:41,392 --> 00:24:43,222 he'll give you pay day." 539 00:24:43,264 --> 00:24:46,574 I thought to myself, I can't wrestle, might as well. 540 00:24:46,615 --> 00:24:48,265 I get on the phone with this guy and 541 00:24:48,312 --> 00:24:54,142 I make it explicitly clear: it's separate motel rooms. 542 00:24:54,188 --> 00:24:57,188 [sighs] The conversation after I hung up from him, 543 00:24:57,234 --> 00:24:59,544 with Moo was, "You know, hon, 544 00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:03,805 the nicer you are to him, the bigger your pay day'll be, 545 00:25:03,850 --> 00:25:06,240 and you could really use a pay day." 546 00:25:06,287 --> 00:25:08,027 Producer: And so, was Moolah sort of insinuating, 547 00:25:08,071 --> 00:25:09,771 like, the idea that...? 548 00:25:09,812 --> 00:25:12,992 When Moolah looked at me and said, 549 00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:16,383 "You know the nicer you are to him, 550 00:25:16,427 --> 00:25:19,817 the nicer he'll be to you." 551 00:25:19,866 --> 00:25:22,776 What else can I say? 552 00:25:22,825 --> 00:25:24,475 When this guy first picked me up at the airport, 553 00:25:24,523 --> 00:25:27,743 I said, "Damn, this guy didn't get beat by the ugly stick, 554 00:25:27,787 --> 00:25:29,827 he got beat by the whole damn forest." 555 00:25:29,876 --> 00:25:31,566 ♪ [suspenseful] 556 00:25:31,617 --> 00:25:34,397 I wake up the next morning, I catch him right here and 557 00:25:34,445 --> 00:25:37,485 I grab his hand and I'm holding it. 558 00:25:37,536 --> 00:25:42,756 I said, "Dude, I will break your wrist." 559 00:25:42,802 --> 00:25:48,072 And she was fire engine red pissed when I got back. 560 00:25:48,111 --> 00:25:51,511 "I can't believe she didn't sleep with him!" 561 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:54,470 Well, not a week after I got back is when Moo came to me 562 00:25:54,509 --> 00:25:57,689 and said, "Look, you can't wrestle and I need my rent. 563 00:25:57,730 --> 00:26:00,470 I'll take that yellow outfit, I'll take the brown outfit," 564 00:26:00,515 --> 00:26:04,295 that she gave me for Christmas. I left the property that day 565 00:26:04,345 --> 00:26:07,035 with my Chevy Malibu station wagon and 566 00:26:07,087 --> 00:26:09,127 20 bucks in my pocket. 567 00:26:09,176 --> 00:26:12,606 She dumped me and I never wrestled again. 568 00:26:12,658 --> 00:26:14,488 ♪ 569 00:26:14,529 --> 00:26:17,709 When I walked away 30 years ago, 570 00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:21,620 my heart was broke. [sighs] 571 00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:25,277 I can't even explain it. I missed the road. 572 00:26:25,322 --> 00:26:29,242 I missed my friends, I missed my family. 573 00:26:29,283 --> 00:26:32,853 And when I left, do you know what Moo told the girls? 574 00:26:32,895 --> 00:26:36,025 She told them I was in prison for dealing cocaine. 575 00:26:36,072 --> 00:26:39,382 For God sakes, she couldn't tell 'em that I broke my neck and I, 576 00:26:39,423 --> 00:26:43,823 and I was of no use to her anymore so I had to go 577 00:26:43,863 --> 00:26:45,913 'cause then they knew their fate. 578 00:26:45,952 --> 00:26:51,042 ♪ 579 00:26:51,087 --> 00:26:53,957 I love wrestling. 580 00:26:54,003 --> 00:26:56,573 To protect this business, to me, 581 00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:59,175 is like protecting the country. 582 00:26:59,226 --> 00:27:03,966 If wrestling needed me, I'd do it in a heartbeat. 583 00:27:04,013 --> 00:27:07,453 All someone has to do is ask. 584 00:27:07,495 --> 00:27:08,885 Moolah! 585 00:27:08,931 --> 00:27:12,411 As wrestling gained popularity in the early 1980s, 586 00:27:12,456 --> 00:27:15,196 the WWF looked to replenish its roster 587 00:27:15,242 --> 00:27:16,942 with younger wrestlers. 588 00:27:16,983 --> 00:27:19,383 Moolah's protégé, Wendi Richter, 589 00:27:19,420 --> 00:27:21,420 was an obvious choice. 590 00:27:21,465 --> 00:27:23,545 ♪ 591 00:27:23,598 --> 00:27:27,518 Wendi Richter, hell of a person. 592 00:27:27,558 --> 00:27:29,738 Hell of a lady. 593 00:27:29,778 --> 00:27:33,698 She loved her business. She honed her skills. 594 00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:37,919 She worked very hard to become the wrestler she was. 595 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,830 Do you have an assumption as to why there was 596 00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:42,395 so much friction between you and Moolah? 597 00:27:42,443 --> 00:27:45,453 The only thing I can think of why there was so much friction 598 00:27:45,489 --> 00:27:47,669 is possibly she was jealous of me 'cause 599 00:27:47,709 --> 00:27:49,539 I was younger than her. 600 00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:52,450 And, like my father said, they couldn't put her face 601 00:27:52,496 --> 00:27:55,846 on a can of dog food to sell it. 602 00:27:55,891 --> 00:27:58,851 Wendi Richter began to eclipse her mentor, 603 00:27:58,894 --> 00:28:02,644 and she left Moolah's stable to join Vince McMahon. 604 00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:05,771 When I left Moolah's, I had a conversation 605 00:28:05,814 --> 00:28:08,084 with Vince McMahon and told him that 606 00:28:08,121 --> 00:28:10,081 I didn't want to live there anymore and 607 00:28:10,123 --> 00:28:13,743 I did not want my check going to her. 608 00:28:13,779 --> 00:28:19,739 I wanted the check to come to me so I knew what I was making. 609 00:28:19,785 --> 00:28:22,915 As soon as Vince took over from his father, 610 00:28:22,962 --> 00:28:24,882 he started making changes. 611 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,100 One advantage that he had was that a lot of celebrities 612 00:28:29,142 --> 00:28:32,752 had grown up in the New York area as fans of wrestling, 613 00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:34,928 and one of those was Cyndi Lauper. 614 00:28:34,974 --> 00:28:37,594 ♪ 615 00:28:37,628 --> 00:28:40,068 ♪ GIRLS, THEY WANNA HAVE FUN ♪ 616 00:28:40,109 --> 00:28:44,809 Cyndi Lauper was on an airplane flight with Lou Albano. 617 00:28:44,853 --> 00:28:47,733 And then, Lou Albano tells everyone that 618 00:28:47,769 --> 00:28:50,289 he was managing Cyndi Lauper. [laughs] 619 00:28:50,337 --> 00:28:53,037 I created and made Cyndi Lauper. 620 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:54,649 Took her from a nothing. 621 00:28:54,689 --> 00:28:57,039 I don't know if anybody knows it, but when she did 622 00:28:57,083 --> 00:29:00,433 "Girls Just Want to Have Fun," he was in it. 623 00:29:00,477 --> 00:29:02,257 That's how all of this came together. 624 00:29:02,305 --> 00:29:05,825 It all boiled down to that Lou Albano said, 625 00:29:05,874 --> 00:29:09,534 "I'm going to choose someone to represent me in the ring," 626 00:29:09,573 --> 00:29:12,663 so Lou Albano chose Fabulous Moolah. 627 00:29:12,707 --> 00:29:14,137 Whoo, I'm happy! 628 00:29:14,187 --> 00:29:16,407 And Cyndi Lauper chose me. 629 00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:18,840 Moolah may have the World's Championship Belt, 630 00:29:18,887 --> 00:29:21,587 but she also has Lou Albano on her side. 631 00:29:21,629 --> 00:29:23,409 Oh, Lou. [laughs] 632 00:29:23,457 --> 00:29:25,887 As soon as Cyndi Lauper got involved with Lou Albano, 633 00:29:25,938 --> 00:29:29,588 Vince McMahon saw gold and fostered that connection 634 00:29:29,637 --> 00:29:31,857 into The Rock 'n' Wrestling Connection. 635 00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:34,640 - Happy New Year! - At MTV! 636 00:29:34,685 --> 00:29:36,295 The wrestlers giving their hand at it. 637 00:29:36,339 --> 00:29:39,389 They have been involved with rock 'n' roll in the past year. 638 00:29:39,429 --> 00:29:43,829 It brought the dated look of wrestling into the main stream. 639 00:29:43,869 --> 00:29:46,919 Wendi Richter morphed from the Dallas cowgirl to, 640 00:29:46,959 --> 00:29:49,049 Wendi Richter, a little bit more Cyndi Lauper-ish, 641 00:29:49,091 --> 00:29:51,961 little more rock 'n' roll, and that's what led the 642 00:29:52,007 --> 00:29:54,437 MTV movement there in 1984 that pretty much 643 00:29:54,488 --> 00:29:56,528 paved the way for the first WrestleMania. 644 00:29:56,577 --> 00:29:58,837 They were giving girls more of a push than 645 00:29:58,884 --> 00:30:00,584 they probably ever had before. 646 00:30:00,624 --> 00:30:03,414 They were really trying to escalate the girls up, 647 00:30:03,453 --> 00:30:06,673 trying to get equal to the men. 648 00:30:06,717 --> 00:30:08,807 It was the turning point for women's wrestling. 649 00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:11,640 Vince wanted to make Wendi Richter the equivalent 650 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:14,769 as Hulk Hogan would be so he had a male role model and 651 00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:16,083 a female role model. 652 00:30:16,118 --> 00:30:18,378 Since the most widely recognized female champion 653 00:30:18,425 --> 00:30:21,115 of the previous 30 years had been The Fabulous Moolah, 654 00:30:21,167 --> 00:30:23,037 Wendi needed to beat Moolah for the title. 655 00:30:23,082 --> 00:30:24,822 Well, with that in mind, ladies and gentlemen, 656 00:30:24,866 --> 00:30:27,516 we'd like to introduce to you the number one contender 657 00:30:27,564 --> 00:30:30,874 for the ladies championship, Miss Wendi Richter. 658 00:30:30,916 --> 00:30:33,476 And the rest is history. 659 00:30:33,527 --> 00:30:35,697 Ladies and gentlemen, this title belt will be on the line 660 00:30:35,746 --> 00:30:38,486 at Madison Square Garden just moments from now, 661 00:30:38,532 --> 00:30:40,532 this lady to defend. 662 00:30:40,577 --> 00:30:43,617 Their rivalry was about to explode in what would become 663 00:30:43,667 --> 00:30:47,147 one of the most watched matches of all time. 664 00:30:47,193 --> 00:30:49,983 That was probably the most nervous 665 00:30:50,022 --> 00:30:55,292 I've ever been in my life. I knew every move mattered. 666 00:30:55,331 --> 00:30:58,681 There was so much at stake and it was against Moolah. 667 00:30:58,726 --> 00:31:01,856 It was the culmination of my whole career. 668 00:31:01,903 --> 00:31:04,563 Moolah had been very jealous and guarded of 669 00:31:04,601 --> 00:31:06,521 that championship for a long time, 670 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,430 but Vince was able to write the appropriate amount of 671 00:31:09,476 --> 00:31:13,436 money on a check and, that changed Moolah's mind. 672 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,260 And also, by doing that, 673 00:31:15,308 --> 00:31:19,398 Moolah got Vince McMahon Jr's loyalty for life. 674 00:31:19,442 --> 00:31:22,922 - 1, 2... - [match bell] 675 00:31:22,968 --> 00:31:26,008 That's when everything changed. 676 00:31:26,058 --> 00:31:32,718 The winner of this title and new World Women's Champion! 677 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,760 Wendi Richter! 678 00:31:35,806 --> 00:31:38,026 - [cheering] - Oh my word! 679 00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:42,770 When I won the championship, it was a feeling like no other. 680 00:31:42,813 --> 00:31:47,603 Everyone was up on their feet and screaming. 681 00:31:47,644 --> 00:31:51,004 I can't believe someone beat her after 28 years, 682 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,299 and that someone was me. 683 00:31:53,346 --> 00:31:54,736 It was a big deal for the fans 'cause they wanted 684 00:31:54,782 --> 00:31:56,312 to see Wendi win, right. 685 00:31:56,349 --> 00:31:58,789 But it was a bigger deal inside the business because 686 00:31:58,829 --> 00:32:01,179 two generations of wrestlers had come and gone 687 00:32:01,223 --> 00:32:04,403 without ever seeing The Fabulous Moolah lose. 688 00:32:04,444 --> 00:32:07,104 It was shocking to the folks in the business who knew 689 00:32:07,142 --> 00:32:10,362 about the stranglehold that Moolah had had on the thing. 690 00:32:10,406 --> 00:32:12,276 Right here is the new champ, 691 00:32:12,321 --> 00:32:14,671 the terrific symbol of the new woman. 692 00:32:14,715 --> 00:32:17,625 My match against Moolah for the championship was 693 00:32:17,674 --> 00:32:20,204 kind of ground zero for women's wrestling. 694 00:32:20,242 --> 00:32:23,422 And, it moved towards a different level 695 00:32:23,463 --> 00:32:25,513 of women's wrestling. 696 00:32:25,552 --> 00:32:28,602 See, what a lot of people don't understand is, 697 00:32:28,642 --> 00:32:31,432 once you step in that ring... 698 00:32:31,471 --> 00:32:33,341 you're addicted. 699 00:32:33,386 --> 00:32:37,906 I think Moolah let her ego get in her way. 700 00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:41,476 And, Moolah couldn't quit. 701 00:32:41,524 --> 00:32:46,834 ♪ 702 00:32:46,877 --> 00:32:48,397 Wendi, show 'em what you got! 703 00:32:48,444 --> 00:32:52,494 [laughs] Cyndi Lauper! 704 00:32:52,535 --> 00:32:56,235 Oh my-- We were on the top of a skyscraper. 705 00:32:56,278 --> 00:32:59,148 I remember: I was hot, I was hungry, 706 00:32:59,194 --> 00:33:04,114 I was thirsty, and it felt like the day would never end. 707 00:33:04,156 --> 00:33:07,676 When I went to visit my father and my grandmother 708 00:33:07,724 --> 00:33:11,254 in Kokomo, Indiana, people recognized me. 709 00:33:11,293 --> 00:33:14,213 I'm thinking, they know me in Kokomo. 710 00:33:14,253 --> 00:33:16,043 Even though Wendi was a household name, 711 00:33:16,081 --> 00:33:18,951 Wendi wasn't getting paid like a household name though. 712 00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:20,817 [cheering] 713 00:33:20,868 --> 00:33:22,698 I found out, early in my career, 714 00:33:22,739 --> 00:33:25,739 that the men were being paid far more than the women. 715 00:33:25,786 --> 00:33:28,916 But, if I'm the only one saying that, 716 00:33:28,963 --> 00:33:31,793 one person can be replaced. 717 00:33:31,835 --> 00:33:34,745 Vince McMahon, he had been pushing Wendi Richter, 718 00:33:34,795 --> 00:33:37,095 gonna make her a superstar, she possibly was getting 719 00:33:37,145 --> 00:33:38,705 too big for her britches. 720 00:33:38,755 --> 00:33:41,445 He decided that she needed to lose the belt, 721 00:33:41,497 --> 00:33:43,717 and who's gonna beat her for the belt? 722 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,630 I was on the road constantly, 723 00:33:45,675 --> 00:33:49,065 but it was always matches against Moolah. 724 00:33:49,114 --> 00:33:51,594 Over and over. 725 00:33:51,638 --> 00:33:55,208 I'll never forget, one time, she got me in a move - 726 00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:58,650 the Boston Crab - with that, you never go all the way back 727 00:33:58,688 --> 00:34:00,818 'cause you can break someone's back... 728 00:34:00,864 --> 00:34:02,614 Well, she did. 729 00:34:02,649 --> 00:34:07,609 She tried to break my back. She wanted to put me out. 730 00:34:07,654 --> 00:34:10,664 My spine snapped like firecrackers. 731 00:34:10,700 --> 00:34:13,360 She was just so bitter. 732 00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:15,139 I really believe in the golden rule, 733 00:34:15,183 --> 00:34:17,143 treat others as you'd like to be treated, 734 00:34:17,185 --> 00:34:20,405 but sometimes you gotta treat fire with fire. 735 00:34:20,449 --> 00:34:22,799 And in the ring, when that bell rang, 736 00:34:22,843 --> 00:34:25,413 you had no friends. 737 00:34:25,454 --> 00:34:28,894 When I was to wrestle the Spider Lady for a 738 00:34:28,936 --> 00:34:34,066 championship match, it changed my career. 739 00:34:34,115 --> 00:34:36,155 It changed my life. 740 00:34:36,204 --> 00:34:38,084 ♪ 741 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,119 I really didn't think anything of it. 742 00:34:40,165 --> 00:34:43,075 I thought, well, it's just another championship match, 743 00:34:43,124 --> 00:34:46,484 and it's against the Spider Lady. 744 00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:49,129 Wendi said that Moolah had showed up... 745 00:34:49,174 --> 00:34:51,524 ♪ 746 00:34:51,567 --> 00:34:54,397 She didn't understand why Moolah was there. 747 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,140 I'd wrestled the Spider Lady before and 748 00:34:57,182 --> 00:35:01,532 I didn't recall her being that size. 749 00:35:01,577 --> 00:35:03,537 A very determined young lady. 750 00:35:03,579 --> 00:35:05,709 Gonna take one heck of a wrestler to be able to 751 00:35:05,755 --> 00:35:07,625 strip that title from her. 752 00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:10,460 The match really didn't go that good. 753 00:35:10,499 --> 00:35:14,979 ♪ 754 00:35:15,025 --> 00:35:17,765 It was just a wrestling hold. 755 00:35:17,811 --> 00:35:20,211 Spider going-- Oh, small package! 756 00:35:20,248 --> 00:35:23,598 The referee counted, "1," I kicked out, 757 00:35:23,643 --> 00:35:25,823 had my shoulder up. 758 00:35:25,862 --> 00:35:27,342 [claps] "2, 3." 759 00:35:27,386 --> 00:35:29,556 ♪ 760 00:35:29,605 --> 00:35:33,085 - And that was it. - [match bell] 761 00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:35,091 What was that? 762 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:38,013 It appears that the referee has made a 3-count. 763 00:35:38,048 --> 00:35:41,568 - [match bell] - The match was over. 764 00:35:41,617 --> 00:35:45,187 Then, the masked person... 765 00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:48,760 took their mask off... 766 00:35:48,798 --> 00:35:51,448 And it was Moolah. 767 00:35:51,497 --> 00:35:54,277 - It is Moolah! - [cheering] 768 00:35:54,326 --> 00:35:56,196 It is Moolah! Take a look, kids! 769 00:35:56,241 --> 00:35:59,201 Fabulous Moolah, the oldest, saltiest dog in the yard 770 00:35:59,244 --> 00:36:01,204 that knows all the tricks, she was the one 771 00:36:01,246 --> 00:36:02,986 that was chosen because it was thought that 772 00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:04,990 if things did break down, 773 00:36:05,032 --> 00:36:07,562 that she could handle Wendi legitimately anyway. 774 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,860 Did you have any idea that, that was Moolah... 775 00:36:10,907 --> 00:36:11,997 - Mm-mm. - ...In the match, at all? 776 00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:14,819 No. I couldn't tell who it was. 777 00:36:14,868 --> 00:36:17,648 [crowd chanting] Moolah! Moolah! 778 00:36:17,697 --> 00:36:19,827 It was obvious who was under that mask. 779 00:36:19,873 --> 00:36:23,663 Everybody in the arena knew who was under that mask. 780 00:36:23,703 --> 00:36:25,443 Wendi knew. 781 00:36:25,487 --> 00:36:27,577 This double-cross blurred the lines between 782 00:36:27,620 --> 00:36:29,710 business and story line. 783 00:36:29,752 --> 00:36:34,102 Whatever the truth was, Wendi came out the loser. 784 00:36:34,148 --> 00:36:36,668 I demanded to talk to Vince McMahon, 785 00:36:36,716 --> 00:36:40,066 and no one would tell me where he was. 786 00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:43,240 I probably would have killed him with my bare hands. 787 00:36:43,288 --> 00:36:46,248 What Vinny and Moo did to her, 788 00:36:46,291 --> 00:36:49,511 Wendi was over like $1 million at that time. 789 00:36:49,555 --> 00:36:55,515 Her and Cyndi Lauper, and the cartoon, The Goonies... 790 00:36:55,561 --> 00:36:57,691 You know, Wendi was over as big as Hogan, 791 00:36:57,737 --> 00:37:00,037 and maybe that was the problem. 792 00:37:00,087 --> 00:37:07,487 The only thing I can think of is I was asking to be paid fairly. 793 00:37:07,529 --> 00:37:11,929 I feel like it was a sad situation that happened because 794 00:37:11,968 --> 00:37:14,278 the girls should be paid maybe more than 795 00:37:14,319 --> 00:37:15,799 they were at the time. 796 00:37:15,842 --> 00:37:19,672 But, when a promoter tells you who's gonna win or lose, 797 00:37:19,715 --> 00:37:23,105 you have to go with the one who's running the show, 798 00:37:23,153 --> 00:37:25,463 whether you like it or not; that was her choice 799 00:37:25,504 --> 00:37:28,074 to walk away from it. 800 00:37:28,115 --> 00:37:30,195 If everything had worked with Wendi, 801 00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:34,078 there would've been an established women's division 802 00:37:34,121 --> 00:37:37,471 with women featured in more important matches 803 00:37:37,516 --> 00:37:39,776 a lot before it actually happened. 804 00:37:39,822 --> 00:37:43,652 I was angry for what she just did to women's wrestling. 805 00:37:43,696 --> 00:37:47,126 For so long she held it back, she held it back, 806 00:37:47,177 --> 00:37:49,307 she held it back. Then, finally, 807 00:37:49,354 --> 00:37:53,364 it started to bloom and she killed it. 808 00:37:53,401 --> 00:37:55,621 I think Moolah was afraid. 809 00:37:55,664 --> 00:37:59,324 I think she was afraid of walking away. 810 00:37:59,364 --> 00:38:04,114 I left the arena fully dressed in my wrestling suit, 811 00:38:04,151 --> 00:38:06,331 I hailed a cab in New York city, 812 00:38:06,371 --> 00:38:08,551 and went to the airport. 813 00:38:08,590 --> 00:38:12,510 They were dead in my life. They were dead. 814 00:38:12,551 --> 00:38:16,731 ♪ 815 00:38:16,772 --> 00:38:19,562 Have you ever seen the footage of the match? 816 00:38:19,601 --> 00:38:23,691 [sighs] I almost did. I couldn't bear to see it. 817 00:38:23,736 --> 00:38:26,826 What good would it do? The bitch is dead, okay! 818 00:38:26,869 --> 00:38:29,789 I don't need to see it. [laughs] I was there. 819 00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:37,179 ♪ 820 00:38:37,227 --> 00:38:40,447 In 1995, The Fabulous Moolah became the first woman 821 00:38:40,492 --> 00:38:45,672 inducted into the WWF Wrestling Hall of Fame. 822 00:38:45,714 --> 00:38:49,984 Tonight is the greatest night of my life, 823 00:38:50,023 --> 00:38:54,553 being inducted into the WWF Hall of Fame. 824 00:38:54,593 --> 00:38:56,683 By the year 2000, the WWF 825 00:38:56,725 --> 00:39:00,025 had phased out traditional women's athletic wrestling, 826 00:39:00,076 --> 00:39:03,856 in favor of strip matches and comedy story lines. 827 00:39:03,906 --> 00:39:06,906 But Moolah showed no sign of slowing down. 828 00:39:06,953 --> 00:39:11,003 She teamed up with fellow wrestling legend Mae Young. 829 00:39:11,044 --> 00:39:13,534 Mae Young wrestled in 7 different decades. 830 00:39:13,568 --> 00:39:16,698 She was tougher than Moolah, and that's saying something. 831 00:39:16,745 --> 00:39:20,485 Years ago, they, they had to put up a chicken wire fence up 832 00:39:20,532 --> 00:39:23,842 over the ring because they hated me so bad. 833 00:39:23,883 --> 00:39:26,633 It's insane that more people saw Moolah and Mae 834 00:39:26,668 --> 00:39:29,188 in the late 90s and early 2000s 835 00:39:29,236 --> 00:39:31,496 when they were both everybody's grandmother. 836 00:39:31,543 --> 00:39:33,893 Or, maybe the Addams family's grandmother. 837 00:39:33,936 --> 00:39:35,546 I have to be real careful with her. 838 00:39:35,590 --> 00:39:38,550 Everywhere I go, she either wants to get drunk or naked. 839 00:39:38,593 --> 00:39:40,033 This would be the place, I guess. 840 00:39:40,073 --> 00:39:41,293 [laughs] 841 00:39:41,335 --> 00:39:42,855 And then, of course, they go out on TV and 842 00:39:42,902 --> 00:39:46,342 they can take the tremendous bumps and incredible falls, 843 00:39:46,384 --> 00:39:49,264 and still somehow not break into a million pieces. 844 00:39:49,299 --> 00:39:50,779 Ah! Come on! 845 00:39:50,823 --> 00:39:55,133 She should've stopped in her 60s, but she couldn't. 846 00:39:55,175 --> 00:39:57,175 I mean, my God, she was 80 years old, 847 00:39:57,220 --> 00:40:01,530 wearing a checkered school girl outfit. 848 00:40:01,573 --> 00:40:03,533 - [dog growling] - No, no, stop. 849 00:40:03,575 --> 00:40:06,315 - Stop. Scooter, stop it. - [barks, growls] 850 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,890 Stop. Sh. 851 00:40:09,929 --> 00:40:13,369 I get the last word, not you. Be a good boy. 852 00:40:17,327 --> 00:40:19,067 What was her funeral like? 853 00:40:19,112 --> 00:40:21,462 It was crowded and I don't-- I'll tell you the truth, 854 00:40:21,506 --> 00:40:24,636 I don't know. I was just in a daze the whole time. 855 00:40:24,683 --> 00:40:27,603 I didn't even know that he was there. 856 00:40:27,642 --> 00:40:31,992 I just remember thinking that it was the end of an era. 857 00:40:32,038 --> 00:40:37,168 In 2007, Moolah passed away at the age of 84. 858 00:40:37,217 --> 00:40:39,867 The wrestling families showed up in large numbers 859 00:40:39,915 --> 00:40:41,865 to pay their respects. 860 00:40:41,917 --> 00:40:45,917 This is where she's buried. This is hers here. 861 00:40:45,965 --> 00:40:49,355 And this is Katie's and this was Johnnie Mae's here. 862 00:40:49,403 --> 00:40:50,843 She had that little thing put there. 863 00:40:50,883 --> 00:40:52,283 She said, "When you wanna come talk to me, 864 00:40:52,319 --> 00:40:53,839 there's a bench in there. 865 00:40:53,886 --> 00:40:57,276 You won't get wet if it's raining." 866 00:40:57,324 --> 00:41:01,334 [sighs] She was all I had. 867 00:41:01,371 --> 00:41:03,901 And, I miss her every day. 868 00:41:03,939 --> 00:41:06,549 No one can ever, can ever 869 00:41:06,594 --> 00:41:10,864 be as good as she was. Never. 870 00:41:10,903 --> 00:41:13,913 Women's wrestling today has undergone a renaissance 871 00:41:13,949 --> 00:41:16,999 I don't think would have been possible without the rise of 872 00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:19,829 women in mixed martial arts, and specifically, Ronda Rousey. 873 00:41:19,868 --> 00:41:22,698 Now it's so much more refined. 874 00:41:22,741 --> 00:41:26,401 It wasn't that way in Moolah's day because 875 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,880 that wasn't her strong point. 876 00:41:28,921 --> 00:41:30,921 10 years after Moolah's death, 877 00:41:30,966 --> 00:41:34,316 her impact on wrestling remains controversial. 878 00:41:34,361 --> 00:41:36,361 ♪ 879 00:41:36,406 --> 00:41:39,536 Well, I think in wrestling there is blurred lines 880 00:41:39,584 --> 00:41:42,854 between your character and who you really are. 881 00:41:42,891 --> 00:41:46,071 I believe that the fans couldn't tell the difference 882 00:41:46,112 --> 00:41:50,382 between Moolah and the character she was playing. 883 00:41:50,420 --> 00:41:55,430 Nobody really knows how it hurts you to hear that, 884 00:41:55,469 --> 00:41:57,649 that you worked for somebody and they pimped you out, 885 00:41:57,689 --> 00:41:59,429 so you could get where you did. 886 00:41:59,473 --> 00:42:04,483 She was-- Had never once ever drugged any of us. 887 00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:07,792 It just really pisses me off that they're taking away 888 00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:11,959 the legacy of The Fabulous Moolah. 889 00:42:12,007 --> 00:42:13,267 I mean, I'll be honest with you, 890 00:42:13,313 --> 00:42:17,493 Bambi was never a famous wrestler. But... 891 00:42:17,535 --> 00:42:20,015 if there's one thing that I could do, 892 00:42:20,059 --> 00:42:22,629 it would be to save Moolah's name and legacy, 893 00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:25,060 and restore what she gave 894 00:42:25,107 --> 00:42:27,717 to the professional wrestling business. 895 00:42:27,762 --> 00:42:31,982 Moolah may have initially opened doors, 896 00:42:32,027 --> 00:42:34,597 but she quickly closed the door. 897 00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:39,379 She held women's wrestling back probably for 40 years. 898 00:42:39,426 --> 00:42:42,856 If Moolah had left Wendi with the belt, 899 00:42:42,908 --> 00:42:47,298 I think women's wrestling would have skyrocketed. 900 00:42:47,347 --> 00:42:49,917 She wasn't as big a star as Mildred Burke. 901 00:42:49,958 --> 00:42:51,698 She's not as big a star as Ronda Rousey, 902 00:42:51,743 --> 00:42:54,533 but she was the placeholder for 30 years. 903 00:42:54,572 --> 00:42:55,962 How do you think people should, 904 00:42:56,008 --> 00:42:58,618 should remember Moolah? 905 00:42:58,663 --> 00:43:00,273 Any way they like. 906 00:43:00,316 --> 00:43:02,276 Everybody have their own opinion. 907 00:43:02,318 --> 00:43:06,888 And me, personally, I don't have an opinion of Moolah. 908 00:43:06,932 --> 00:43:09,632 None that I care to share. 909 00:43:09,674 --> 00:43:12,984 If I choose not to like her 910 00:43:13,025 --> 00:43:15,195 because of what she did to me, that's fine. 911 00:43:15,244 --> 00:43:17,684 But, Moolah needs to be remembered. 912 00:43:17,725 --> 00:43:20,465 She was an icon in this business. 913 00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:23,640 You can't take away her history just because 914 00:43:23,688 --> 00:43:25,598 she's an asshole! 915 00:43:25,646 --> 00:43:27,996 All the girls that she trained remember her, 916 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,260 and they know that they wouldn't be where they are now 917 00:43:31,304 --> 00:43:33,264 without her, and they wouldn't have had the 918 00:43:33,306 --> 00:43:35,566 career they had, without her. 919 00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:38,403 Whoever's starting these rumors, 920 00:43:38,441 --> 00:43:41,101 you're not just calling Moolah a pimp, 921 00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:43,800 you're calling me a prostitute... 922 00:43:43,838 --> 00:43:46,408 and that hurts. 923 00:43:46,449 --> 00:43:49,669 And, if you were not on that property, 924 00:43:49,714 --> 00:43:52,194 if you were not in that room, 925 00:43:52,238 --> 00:43:55,758 you don't know what happened and you need to shut up. 72351

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