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This programme contains
some strong language.
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Three figures, phallic necks.
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There's one with a sort of paw on
what looks like
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a huge scrubbing brush,
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which is snarling.
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And they're baying their anger,
their pain, their distrust of life.
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To the people who walked into the
Lefevre Gallery that day...
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..that was a shock. I mean, they had
never really seen anything like it.
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It was just after the war and people
didn't want to be disturbed.
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They'd been deeply disturbed
already.
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Something breaks in that painting,
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in English culture.
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It was as if art had become feral.
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Those things are all in the
background, they all inform the
work.
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But you make a mistake if you
explain the paintings
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through the war. What Bacon did was
something different.
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So many people of my generation,
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that's where they first saw an image
by Francis Bacon.
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But nobody knew who Francis Bacon
was.
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Just after the war, my mother had a
house in South Kensington,
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and I was always watching what was
going on outside.
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And I remember seeing somebody who
was carrying a very large canvas.
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And I don't know why I felt it -
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"This guy has to be Francis Bacon."
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And he went into a house opposite my
mother's house,
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I was totally fascinated by him.
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And we became friends.
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He was like no-one else in the
world.
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He lived in a very grand studio.
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Everything was torn, everything was
dirty, everything was wonderful.
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A lot of incredibly strong
cocktails,
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so you got plastered pretty quick.
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And then Nanny would appear from
time to time and say,
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"Would anybody like something to,
you know, something to smoke?"
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And this didn't mean, you know,
Player's cigarettes.
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MATCH STRIKES AND FLARES
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She was his childhood nanny.
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I think he adored her.
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She was like a mother to him.
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Of course, the whole story is...
It's so comical, really.
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She slept on the kitchen table.
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She was totally blind.
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How on earth she cooked and how she
knew what she was doing, I don't
know.
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She organised the gambling parties
that he gave,
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that's one of the ways he made
money.
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After the war, the entire sort of
bohemian London
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began to coalesce
around the Gargoyle and then,
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of course, with the opening of The
Colony Room by Muriel Belcher,
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that became the epicentre of the
lives of most of the painters and,
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of course, Francis Bacon was part of
that.
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I have no earthly idea when I first
encountered Francis.
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I most remember him in The Colony,
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and Muriel said that I was the only
person
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who was allowed in from the age of
12.
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Francis had an extraordinary
capacity to take advantage of any
situation
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in which he found himself
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and to turn it into something
wonderful
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and magical.
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And so you were immediately...
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..enchanted by his presence.
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He was like a piece of electricity
coming into the room.
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I mean, charisma poured out of him,
you couldn't take your eyes off him,
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you know, he darted around like a
bird, and these extraordinary eyes.
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Muriel offered him a £10 retainer, a
week to bring in his friends,
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which he proceeded to do.
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Yes, this was the age of
existentialism,
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this is the age when everybody
thought that this could be the last,
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their last moments, so they were
living in a very edgy kind of
atmosphere.
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We do with our life what we can and
then we die.
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What else can you... What else is
there?
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And if somebody is very aware of
that, perhaps...
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Perhaps it comes out in their work.
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I think he saw life as a risk.
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It also amused him, I think,
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the idea that chance played such a
big role in everything.
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And he certainly applied that to
painting.
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If anything ever does work, in my
case...
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..well, chance and what I call
accident takes over.
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Certainly, in his painting, I mean,
he would...
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..gamble everything on the next
brush stroke.
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That's always, always going to be
exciting, to see somebody in that
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situation and, you know,
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it's like watching somebody walking
the tightrope to see if they succeed
or fail.
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For instance, that painting
in the Museum of Modern Art,
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I first tried to do a gorilla in a
cornfield.
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Then I tried to do a bird alighting.
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And then, gradually, all the marks
I'd made suggested this other
image,
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which is a totally accidental image.
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I'd never thought of doing an image
like that ever in my life.
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I can remember, you know,
really studying for a long time,
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the umbrella in the sides of beef.
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And I remember thinking, how's he
made that umbrella so terrifying?
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It's just such an everyday object.
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You know, you get guttural
feelings from paintings
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and emotional paintings, and it's
just paint.
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But it's like it doesn't feel like
paint, it feels much more violent.
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You know, it taps into something in
your unconscious, which is dark and,
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you know, exciting.
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When I met him, I could not equate
just the general sort of drunken
foolery
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that went on, which I found hugely
entertaining,
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with these twisted horrors.
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This is the great central enigma
about Bacon.
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Where did the darkness come from?
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You see, I was born in Ireland, and
I was brought up a rabid
Protestant...
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..with no beliefs, of course!
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Neither my mother or father were
Irish
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but, nevertheless, I was brought up
in Kildare.
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My father was a trainer of race
horses.
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In the last interview that Bacon
ever did,
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he spoke of his childhood and
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said it was like something cold and
something hard, like a block of ice.
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And he attributed that to his
shyness, which came from being
asthmatic,
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that he could not interact in the
world in the same way that ordinary
boys could.
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Imagine growing up in a particularly
horsey outdoorsy world,
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and imagine that you have fragile
lungs that are pulverised by any
sort of dust
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and you basically had to gasp
your way through life.
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This had an enormous influence on
Bacon.
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In the paintings, I believe it does
come across.
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It's as though the air has been
pumped out, has been sucked out of
the space,
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and the figures are there, up
against the glass,
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almost grasping for breath.
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He was growing up in Ireland. By the
age of 12,
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what do you do when you've begun to
have homosexual instincts?
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It was a deep-seated, deep-rooted
problem with his father.
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Bacon's father, Eddie, was a very
difficult character.
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Francis Bacon disappointed him in a
major way.
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It was a fairly traumatic childhood.
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His father got his stable boys to
whip him,
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and I think that started one or two
things off.
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He sometimes talked about it and he
said, he said it to me privately...
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..that one of his...
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..difficult dynamics in his life was
that he really rather hated his
father
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but he found his father sexually
attractive.
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Francis was a born masochist.
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It wasn't something that he took up
later for kicks.
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Francis was through and through a
masochist.
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More interesting, of course, is that
he then went into the stables and
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had sexual relations with the
grooms.
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And I think the buggering in the
barn was a sort of important aspect
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of his background.
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It was a very odd sort of situation.
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And the father couldn't deal with
it.
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So he wanted him out of the house...
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and try and get him straightened
out.
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He went to...
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..an older man whom his family, I
think, thought would be a good
companion for him
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but who turned out to be bisexual.
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He told it without any sense of hurt
but, in fact, I think he'd been
deeply,
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deeply wounded by this,
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by this rejection.
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Berlin was huge to him,
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as it became to a whole generation
of homosexuals around his age.
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He liked the fascination, the
freedom, the absolute lack of...
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..authority, in a way, which was
hugely influential on him.
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Francis experienced Berlin whilst at
its most famously debauched...
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..where there were these crazy bars
and sadism was the flavour of the
period.
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People have attempted to explain
Francis Bacon as a revenge motif
against his father.
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Once he left Berlin,
where was his natural proclivity?
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It was France.
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He saw this as the Olympus of the
art world, and Francis Bacon fell in
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love with Paris and Parisian art
from his first trip there in 1928.
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And that was a constant throughout
his entire life.
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I stayed for a short time in Paris
and it was about that time,
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at Rosenberg's, I saw an exhibition
of Picasso.
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And I think, at that moment, I
thought, "Well, I will try and
paint, too."
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Francis Bacon's first career is a
bit obscured because what he did in
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Paris in his famous trip, once he
left Berlin, has been a subject of
much mystery.
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He did have some connections into
the design world of Paris,
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we know for sure.
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By the time he came to London, a
little-known fact that we've
discovered,
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he established himself in deepest
Chelsea and was, for three or four
years,
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part of a very important design and
interior-decorating world.
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He kept quiet about all that, he
never mentioned it.
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Decoration was one of the foulest
words in his vocabulary after that.
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Something that was decorative, you
know, particularly in art,
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was like non-existent.
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He sensed, quite early on, that he
wanted more than that.
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Obviously, he had to make his way,
you know?
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And of course, he made nothing from
the painting but the painting soon
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became the obsessive thing.
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You know, he's almost, like, egging
himself on to be confident enough to
paint.
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And I love those early years'
paintings.
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I have the 1933 early Crucifixion,
the one like the Picasso Bathers.
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You know, I can't
believe that I own it now.
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The first 15, 20 years of his life
and career,
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so little of it survives.
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I mean, the ratio's about one per
year.
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Between 1936 and 1944, there's an
eight-year gap,
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we have no works at all.
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Now, he wasn't not painting.
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But Roy De Maistre, an artist who
was extremely fond of Bacon,
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he painted a corner of Bacon's
painting studio and you see
paintings
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stacked up in the corner...the
corners of the room,
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with their faces showing.
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We can see what he was painting.
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They were all destroyed,
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all these things, we have these
tantalising glimpses
of in another artist's work.
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There's the legend
that grew up around this,
that Bacon himself fostered,
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was that he then just walked away
from the easel
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and only to re-emerge, of course,
in the mid-40s with his great
Three Studies.
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Um, this is not true.
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One thing I feel certain about
is that he really, really
was painting all the time.
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He desperately wanted to be,
by then, a great artist.
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He didn't want to be mediocre.
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There are many strains
in his earlier painting
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that you can trace
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in the development and evolution
of the look that appeared
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in Three Studies.
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About 1943-44, it was then
that I really started to paint.
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When at Lefevre we had
that first exhibition
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with Henry Moore,
Graham Sutherland,
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and it was then
that I showed those
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Three Studies For Figures
At The Base Of A Crucifixion,
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which... People were very, very
violently against those things.
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One of the usual bitchy critics,
to me, said,
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"Why bother to do things like that
when it's already been done by
Picasso?"
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It was Graham Sutherland, I think,
who recommended him
to Erica Brausen,
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who was one of the brightest
contemporary art dealers of the
time,
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and when she saw his work she saw
the point of it right away.
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She sold his painting 1946 to MoMA
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and that really was a very,
very signal moment for Francis.
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He was always needing money to
waste, you know, to gamble away.
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He was nothing but trouble to her.
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She just tolerated it and helped him
as best she could.
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She was nurturing,
she was devoted to him.
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She was a woman
who really looked after him.
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And he went to Monaco,
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and it was the place where English
people of his kind went
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and, if you wanted to gamble,
it was the most glamorous place
to go, still, to gamble.
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You could gamble in London, for
goodness' sake, to some extent.
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But this was much more glamorous
and much more congenial,
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in many other ways.
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I mean, it wasn't just Bacon
who went to Monaco,
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there was this bizarre,
probably ghastly, old nanny,
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but the one who he really loved.
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He was terrible
about getting paintings in on time.
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Brausen was always writing Bacon
and saying, you know,
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"Francis, please...
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"We have a show planned
for next December. How's it going?"
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And three months later, nothing.
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And his typical pattern was that
he would destroy all his work
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until pretty near to a show when he
would have to
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produce some paintings, finally.
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He was there most of the time
between 1946-49,
even into early 1950,
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and produced almost nothing.
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He'd been rethinking
what he must do in his art.
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He knew he must say something.
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It was no use being derivative
of Picasso.
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And he knew, in fact, his subject
must be the human body
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and that it must come from
his own life and his own experience.
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Part of what he had to express
needed a new way of painting.
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The heads are astonishing.
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They're so close to the animal.
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The animal in the man.
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In those images that Bacon did,
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it's as if you can
feel the breath of
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the animal on your neck.
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Or as if you're going into
some dark cave
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and you smell the animal
before you see it.
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I mean, it's so visceral.
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The animal is so close.
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The fact that Francis Bacon
had no formal training
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probably freed him in a way that
other people were not as free.
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He was not part of any movement.
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Francis Bacon was an outlier
in a most interesting way.
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I think he probably did go to one
or two classes and things like that.
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He certainly never mentioned that
afterwards,
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and he picked up quite a lot
from painter friends.
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Denis and Francis Bacon
came from a similar background.
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Both were untrained as artists.
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So this was a link,
both were self-taught.
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Francis Bacon was inevitably
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the main event in Denis's life.
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Dickie and Denis were the main event
in each other's lives.
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Richard Chopping, known as Dickie,
was his partner.
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Bacon could have actually been
a hell of a lot of trouble
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to the relationship but he wasn't,
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and Denis
would put up with anything.
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Francis would equally put up with
anything that Denis threw at him.
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And between them, this relationship
went like that for many, many years.
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When they were partying and drinking
together in Soho,
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they would come and drag me out,
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with them usually six bottles
of champagne ahead of me.
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And it would end up
with punching in the face,
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noses being broken in galleries,
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there were plates broken
on people's heads.
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Turned out, banned from places, the
stories just go on and on and on.
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Do you know, I don't care if I fuck
up the whole of the film,
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but you can never say things
as clearly in French,
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as you say it in English.
Yes, of course he can.
Of course you can't.
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Go away, darling. Avec Rembrandt,
avec Michel-Ange.
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You know,
you're going to be cheapened.
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OK. Very. I'll be cheapened. Very.
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There were a lot of things
that they were using
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as common subject matter.
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They both had boxing magazines.
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They had magazines of runners.
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They used Eadweard Muybridge's work.
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Denis did introduce Francis
to Muybridge, arguably the most,
with Picasso,
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the most important influence
on his work.
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It's a very interesting work.
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And the images were
tremendously suggestive to me
of ways I could use the human body.
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Francis drew badly
and was very conscious of it.
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And I think facing up to the fact
that he had never been taught
drawing...
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And he used Muybridge's
amazing photographs of athletes
in weird positions
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again and again,
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because there the limbs were dead
accurate and he could use them,
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as it were, as sketches
for a whole series of paintings...
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though, above all,
the painting known as The Buggers.
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I used to go and visit Lucien Freud
and Caroline Blackwood in their
house.
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They had the painting which they
always called The Buggers,
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which was, is, I think,
officially called The Wrestlers.
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I just simply thought
it was a wonderful painting.
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I think, that when you're very
young, you don't have preconceived
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notions of what is shocking.
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You just look at things
to see if they are beautiful.
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There is no doubt that this is Bacon
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and the most important lover
in his life.
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This is their coupling.
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This is their moment
of greatest intensity.
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And this is the trigger, really,
of Bacon's greatest images.
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It's where everything
comes together.
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Francis's first major lover
was Peter Lacy.
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He had been a Spitfire pilot.
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Francis was wildly in love.
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Bacon found him very charming.
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He said he was... He was amusing.
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And he played the piano.
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He sang.
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And Bacon saw him
as somebody quite extraordinary.
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Other people didn't have this
very enamoured view of Peter Lacy.
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I remember going to a gay bar,
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one evening,
and Peter Lacy was there.
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He was very, sort of, soberly
dressed, very straightforward.
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But he turned out to be, in fact,
one of the most sadistic people...
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..I've ever come across.
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During the war, his nervous system
was...was, basically, shot
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and he could become very violent.
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Francis was landed with a...
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..sadist
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who was going to thrash him to bits
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and he hadn't got Nanny
to fall back on.
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When Nanny died - was it 1951? -
he was heartbroken.
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She was his adviser,
she ran his life
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and he had to depend on himself.
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They had a turbulent relationship.
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Lacy regularly beat Bacon up
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and that was something that Bacon
actively encouraged and enjoyed.
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Peter had a house in the country
and Francis went there
one weekend.
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God knows what he'd done to him
already but Peter Lacy
simply threw him
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through a plate-glass window
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on the second floor, onto the garden
at the back of the house.
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And Francis had terrible damage to
one eye and to his face and so on.
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But this made him love Peter Lacy
more, I think.
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And he turned these horrible,
terrible things into magic,
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into great paintings.
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Peter himself was very often the
subject of any male figure
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in the painting. He's always there.
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And I think he stirred the very
depths of Bacon's being.
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He managed to create
these very strange, eerie images,
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against a dark blue background.
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Very ghostly.
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Peter Lacy's...
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..power over Francis,
sadistic power over Francis...
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And I hope it won't shock people -
it was a very positive one.
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It was regarded
as a rather dirty habit,
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to go and look at the paintings
of Bacon,
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because the whole fashion
was abstract expressionism
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and everything American.
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Here was this man actually painting
the human figure...
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..in this quite shocking way,
at that time.
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Bacon had
a slowly growing reputation,
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but he was
an extremely difficult artist.
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So it took a great deal of time
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for Bacon's imagery
to become popular.
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But bit by bit,
exhibition by exhibition,
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collector by collector,
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Bacon's reputation was being made.
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Peter Lacy said
at this particular point,
"You can come and live with me."
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And Bacon said, "Well, what does
living with you mean?"
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And Lacy said, "Well, I could
chain you to the wall."
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And Bacon said, "Well, the thing is,
I did terribly want to paint."
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And so because of that, Lacy
started visiting Tangier.
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By that time, the relationship
had broken down.
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Bacon felt he needed
to go to another stage.
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He wanted to go to the very top.
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And there was a powerful
and relatively new gallery
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called Marlborough Fine Art.
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Bacon had been
considering leaving Erica and
the Hanover Gallery for some time.
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Because he was quite overwhelmed
by debts.
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The Marlborough Gallery,
for example, had deeper pockets,
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could pay a kind of salary.
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They were like a cash flow for him.
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I remember going in with him to
pick up a wad of cash
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so that he could go on, sort of,
inviting everybody in sight
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to champagne and dinner afterwards
and then go and play the tables.
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And the great attraction of the time
for the Marlborough was what?
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Well, they've got,
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as they have galleries
all over the world,
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perhaps they thought
they could do something with me.
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Frank Lloyd, the owner, partner
of Marlborough...
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realised that, I think, that Francis
was going to be the golden goose,
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if they...
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..marketed properly.
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He did need a lot of managing.
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And the only release for the
paintings came through Valerie.
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She was my direct boss.
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Francis Bacon's life at Marlborough
revolved to a huge extent
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around Valerie Beston,
or as he called her,
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Valerie from the Gallery.
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She was always there for him.
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It was as if Bacon was the love
of her life.
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And she was, you know,
completely 100% devoted,
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in the same way that Erica Brausen
had been initially in his career.
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I mean, they were saying to Bacon,
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we will give you exhibitions
at the Tate,
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and they absolutely delivered
on their promises.
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You know, within three years he'd
got the first Tate retrospective.
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There were many critics who still
did not like Bacon's work.
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The Tate retrospective in 1962, I
think was very important for him.
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At that stage Peter Lacy
was in Morocco.
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A lot of people of that time
were saying that
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he was just, like, this very sad
figure playing away at the piano,
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almost like paying off
his alcoholic debts.
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Francis writes to Denis, saying,
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"I've heard that
he's falling to pieces.
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"Can you find out for me?
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"I really need to know,
I can't concentrate on anything."
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Bacon is
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feeling pity for Peter.
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"I'm totally upset over Peter.
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"I can't bear to see anyone suffer
because of me."
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I think Bacon created best
when he was himself most disturbed,
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most at sea.
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Francis used to say,
"I've used everybody in my life."
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He does go into a kind of crisis.
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That may have been what was
happening with Bacon at that time.
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I think that was to do with
his inner need to renew his art,
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to not repeat himself, to stretch.
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He did a painting right before
the 1962 Tate exhibition called,
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I believe it was called
Three Studies for a Crucifixion.
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It's an indication
of where he wants to go.
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It's a blood-red and black triptych.
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In the left-hand panel
there is a paternal figure,
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more or less telling
a smaller figure to go.
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I've always thought of that as Bacon
being thrown out of the house.
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In the middle there is a scene,
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a really bloody mangled scene
on a bed.
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It's the most extreme expression of
the horror he felt about his life,
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I think, and what it felt to be...
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..Francis Bacon
and all the horrors he'd witnessed.
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And he did describe
the central panel
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as someone shot to pieces on a bed.
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And that's not normal language,
not just from him,
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but for a Bacon painting.
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And in this case, well, it does look
like someone shot to pieces
on a bed.
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It looks like a murder
has taken place.
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He would almost empty himself
of his darkest,
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bitterest thoughts on canvas
and be purified.
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But of course he was Jekyll and Hyde
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and so the two sides were there
in the man.
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I remember going to the big '62
retrospective at the Tate...
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..and I had a very nice girlfriend
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who was vegetarian,
though she converted,
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under my tutelage, to meat,
but she didn't convert to Bacon.
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I think that was when he really
came out as a superstar,
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in Britain anyway.
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And I think he saw, this was a
perfect moment for him to shine and,
472
00:32:42,980 --> 00:32:44,380
my God, shine he did.
473
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:53,100
But amongst the telegrams
of congratulation,
474
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:55,820
he got one from Tangier saying
475
00:32:55,820 --> 00:32:59,420
that his great love, Peter Lacy,
had just died.
476
00:33:02,060 --> 00:33:04,500
Bacon was convinced
it was a suicide.
477
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,500
He talked about it as a suicide.
478
00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:12,860
And that Peter almost deliberately
aimed for it to happen
479
00:33:12,860 --> 00:33:16,060
on the day his show opened.
480
00:33:18,820 --> 00:33:24,460
The painting of where Peter Lacy
is buried was an enormously...
481
00:33:24,460 --> 00:33:29,940
enormously powerful painting, full
of, you can't call it love exactly,
482
00:33:29,940 --> 00:33:31,500
but full of...
483
00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:35,780
..sort of, dark sexual obsession.
484
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:47,140
The violence in Bacon's pictures
calls forth equally violent
reactions.
485
00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:51,740
David Sylvester
was one of the first critics
486
00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:54,140
to recognise Bacon
as an important artist.
487
00:33:54,140 --> 00:33:56,100
Actually in your work, as a whole,
488
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:58,260
there are relatively few paintings
that
489
00:33:58,260 --> 00:34:01,140
have ostensible subjects
which might be called horrific.
490
00:34:02,420 --> 00:34:05,500
And most of them are fairly
straight subjects,
491
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:07,260
figures seated in rooms and so on.
492
00:34:07,260 --> 00:34:11,340
And yet, people have a sense that
your work as a whole is horrific.
493
00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:14,980
David Sylvester
was enormously important
494
00:34:14,980 --> 00:34:18,100
in that he was the PR man
for Francis.
495
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:20,500
And he did a damned good job.
496
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:22,300
Because he was widely listened to.
497
00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:24,540
He was never off the BBC,
where he could,
498
00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:27,380
he could hear the sound
of his own voice.
499
00:34:27,380 --> 00:34:29,020
And he was...
500
00:34:30,180 --> 00:34:32,020
..perfect for Francis.
501
00:34:32,020 --> 00:34:34,100
I must have another drink.
502
00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:37,940
We might rest for a minute.
503
00:34:37,940 --> 00:34:40,980
Can we rest for a moment, or not,
or must it go on?
504
00:34:44,540 --> 00:34:48,780
Bacon and Sylvester together
created a manifesto
505
00:34:48,780 --> 00:34:51,420
of his inner life as an artist.
506
00:34:52,580 --> 00:34:54,580
Those interviews
had a very big impact on many,
507
00:34:54,580 --> 00:34:56,660
especially young artists.
508
00:34:58,580 --> 00:35:01,540
When I was a student
I completely devoured
the David Sylvester interviews.
509
00:35:01,540 --> 00:35:04,380
It's like I read that constantly,
over and over and over again.
510
00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:06,940
I think that was one of the greatest
things about Bacon,
511
00:35:06,940 --> 00:35:08,620
was those interviews. Because he...
512
00:35:08,620 --> 00:35:10,460
It was just a new way
of being interviewed,
513
00:35:10,460 --> 00:35:13,460
and it was kind of so fresh and
exciting and it was like,
514
00:35:13,460 --> 00:35:15,100
you know, playful.
515
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:16,340
It was like, you know, in denial.
516
00:35:16,340 --> 00:35:18,580
It just made you think differently
about the paintings.
517
00:35:18,580 --> 00:35:22,700
He was nothing
if not totally controlling
518
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:25,820
of the people around him and the
519
00:35:25,820 --> 00:35:28,900
way his work was perceived.
520
00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:33,020
But I think Bacon the public persona
521
00:35:33,020 --> 00:35:38,900
was, to some extent,
a way of shielding his images.
522
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,660
He was just, you know, finding
a way to sort of avoid the
questions,
523
00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:44,420
to keep the painting fresh,
to keep you looking at the painting,
524
00:35:44,420 --> 00:35:45,980
to never give you answers.
525
00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:48,540
Francis attracted a certain amount
of awe.
526
00:35:48,540 --> 00:35:52,220
He was quite a frightening fellow,
or had been in his prime.
527
00:35:52,220 --> 00:35:55,100
And also a certain amount
of oiling up to.
528
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:59,380
So I think the cult, or the fame,
was built up in the '60s.
529
00:36:05,540 --> 00:36:07,620
He's got his new studio
in Reece Mews,
530
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:10,140
I think it was very important
to him.
531
00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:11,940
He felt he'd got his own space,
532
00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:15,780
he could really get to work and do
what he wanted to say powerfully.
533
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:21,140
We are in a wonderful little
secret mews
534
00:36:21,140 --> 00:36:25,020
just off of South Ken,
called Reece Mews.
535
00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:27,940
I first came to know it when I met
Lionel Bart.
536
00:36:27,940 --> 00:36:33,740
His neighbour turned out to be
Francis Bacon.
537
00:36:33,740 --> 00:36:35,380
He was very funny.
538
00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:38,420
He was very witty.
He was very clever.
539
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:42,940
But there was a kind of an
underlying kind of melancholy
about him.
540
00:36:42,940 --> 00:36:46,940
But Lionel Bart told me that in his
kitchen there were loads of
541
00:36:46,940 --> 00:36:52,380
photographs, and he'd noticed there
were rather a lot of me, you know.
542
00:36:52,380 --> 00:36:54,460
And Lionel said to him,
543
00:36:54,460 --> 00:36:58,900
"Oh, you think...
You know, you like Terence?"
544
00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:02,180
And Francis said,
545
00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:06,420
"God, the two most handsomest men
in the world
546
00:37:06,420 --> 00:37:10,260
"are Terence Stamp
and Colonel Gaddafi!"
547
00:37:10,260 --> 00:37:13,700
I thought, "Yeah, Colonel Gaddafi
would give him a good hiding,"
you know?
548
00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:15,780
HE LAUGHS
549
00:37:15,780 --> 00:37:21,060
I'd just knock on his door if I was
passing and if he would open the
door,
550
00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:24,100
sometimes he'd invite me in,
sometimes he wouldn't.
551
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:28,580
And sometimes when he invited me in
I realised he was the middle of
something.
552
00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:33,060
It struck me that it was a very
private thing that was happening.
553
00:37:33,060 --> 00:37:37,620
And...he had to devote himself
completely to it.
554
00:37:42,780 --> 00:37:47,580
As an artist, Bacon was always
trying to do it a bit better,
you know?
555
00:37:47,580 --> 00:37:49,500
You know, you've never arrived,
556
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:51,900
there wouldn't be much point if
you'd arrived.
557
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:54,780
You know, he would have stopped
painting in 1962,
558
00:37:54,780 --> 00:37:57,260
or something, if he was satisfied.
559
00:37:57,260 --> 00:38:01,420
How are you going to trap reality?
560
00:38:01,420 --> 00:38:03,100
How are you going to trap
appearance
561
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:05,540
without making an illustration
of it?
562
00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:09,340
And that is one of the great fights
and one of the great excitements
563
00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:12,260
of being, of being a figurative
artist today.
564
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:18,140
It was a moment that he was
beginning to look to
565
00:38:18,140 --> 00:38:21,380
the people that he was
friends with,
566
00:38:21,380 --> 00:38:24,380
beginning to think about
painting the people
567
00:38:24,380 --> 00:38:26,340
he felt he knew inside out.
568
00:38:26,340 --> 00:38:29,300
I mean, he had a great
love of people.
569
00:38:30,780 --> 00:38:32,980
And a vulnerability to them.
570
00:38:32,980 --> 00:38:35,620
The artist doesn't choose the
subject,
571
00:38:35,620 --> 00:38:38,180
the subject chooses the artist.
572
00:38:38,180 --> 00:38:40,900
But there was his subject.
573
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:46,300
I only am able to paint people or
portraits of people that I know
very well
574
00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:48,620
and I've looked at a great deal.
575
00:38:48,620 --> 00:38:54,620
And that I have analysed, and know
the structure of their face.
576
00:38:54,620 --> 00:38:58,180
I find that the person there
inhibits me.
577
00:38:58,180 --> 00:39:01,700
And then I use...
I look at photographs.
578
00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:04,140
So the photographs and everything
get trodden on,
579
00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:06,780
they get even changed into other
things.
580
00:39:06,780 --> 00:39:11,620
And those often are in themselves
extremely interesting.
581
00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:16,260
The presence of the person in a
portrait
582
00:39:16,260 --> 00:39:19,780
is so fully there because he
managed to empty himself
583
00:39:19,780 --> 00:39:22,700
of everything, so that that person
could come
584
00:39:22,700 --> 00:39:25,340
through him and onto the canvas.
585
00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:29,620
Of course men were a great subject
for him, and the male body.
586
00:39:29,620 --> 00:39:32,900
Women were also extremely important
to Bacon,
587
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:36,100
both personally and in terms of
his art.
588
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:41,220
He had a need for family and he sort
of put a lot of women into that
role.
589
00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:43,620
And he had a number of those
throughout his life.
590
00:39:46,260 --> 00:39:49,900
IN FRENCH:
591
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:13,740
You look at the women he chose to
paint,
592
00:40:13,740 --> 00:40:18,580
they have very strong
characteristics in common.
593
00:40:18,580 --> 00:40:20,860
Muriel had a very strong visage
594
00:40:20,860 --> 00:40:23,020
that was almost imperial,
595
00:40:23,020 --> 00:40:25,260
and it was easy for him, in a sense,
596
00:40:25,260 --> 00:40:26,860
to convey exactly that
597
00:40:26,860 --> 00:40:29,740
strength of character that she had.
598
00:40:29,740 --> 00:40:33,460
Isabel Rawsthrone was another,
599
00:40:33,460 --> 00:40:37,300
a woman of almost staggering
physical presence.
600
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:40,940
And Henrietta Moraes,
who was curvaceous,
601
00:40:40,940 --> 00:40:43,780
but she was also very, very strong.
602
00:40:43,780 --> 00:40:50,660
I first met Henrietta Moraes
across a big lunch table
603
00:40:50,660 --> 00:40:55,380
and it was like being
opposite a Bacon painting.
604
00:40:55,380 --> 00:40:59,020
I mean, it was almost as if she
wasn't real
605
00:40:59,020 --> 00:41:02,260
because of his portraits of
Henrietta.
606
00:41:06,660 --> 00:41:10,980
Henrietta is one of the most
interesting of the Soho characters.
607
00:41:10,980 --> 00:41:12,620
She, like many others,
608
00:41:12,620 --> 00:41:14,900
could not wait to get away from her
convent past
609
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:17,260
and get into the life of Soho.
610
00:41:17,260 --> 00:41:20,220
Hen? She was amazing,
611
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:23,540
she was one of the most wonderful
people I've ever known.
612
00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:29,820
No wonder Francis adored her,
you know?
613
00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:32,300
And Francis understood, you know.
614
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:37,220
He was Irish, he understood
how hard it is
615
00:41:37,220 --> 00:41:43,100
if you've been through that terrible
sort of Catholicism thing.
616
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:48,740
How dreadfully hard it is to break
out of it and get free.
617
00:41:48,740 --> 00:41:52,460
He was never burdened by that,
was he? He was never burdened by
that guilt?
618
00:41:52,460 --> 00:41:55,700
Well, if he was, it was...
I think he was a bit.
619
00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:58,460
Actually, I'm sorry,
but I think he was.
620
00:42:00,180 --> 00:42:02,860
Henrietta always said to me,
621
00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:06,100
"Ah, yes,
perhaps he doth protest too much."
622
00:42:07,460 --> 00:42:10,140
I think he painted Henrietta
15 times.
623
00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:14,980
I mean, his work can be seen as
a search for God.
624
00:42:14,980 --> 00:42:19,060
Although he would probably
certainly deny it.
625
00:42:19,060 --> 00:42:25,340
His sort of frustration, if you
like, with not finding God.
626
00:42:25,340 --> 00:42:27,980
'When you paint anything, you ask
the same...'
627
00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:31,180
You are also painting not only the
subject,
628
00:42:31,180 --> 00:42:33,660
but you are painting yourself
629
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:37,860
as well as, as the object that
you're trying to record.
630
00:42:45,620 --> 00:42:47,900
One time she didn't like,
631
00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:53,380
was there was one of the pictures
where he had a hypodermic in her
arm.
632
00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:56,580
It was a hypodermic syringe.
BACON: It was a hypodermic syringe.
633
00:42:58,260 --> 00:43:03,100
But I wanted something to nail the
image, the figure, as it were,
634
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:04,940
to the...to the bed.
635
00:43:04,940 --> 00:43:10,100
And it looked more logical with
a hypodermic syringe.
636
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:12,540
I couldn't put a nail through their
arm,
637
00:43:12,540 --> 00:43:15,340
so it was much easier
to put a hypodermic syringe.
638
00:43:15,340 --> 00:43:18,340
But it wasn't an attempt suggest
that the person was a drug addict?
639
00:43:21,420 --> 00:43:24,860
I can see what Francis was
getting at,
640
00:43:24,860 --> 00:43:28,900
but I can also see that Henrietta
didn't want that.
641
00:43:30,780 --> 00:43:36,140
Henrietta herself later, looking
back at it said, you know, in
effect,
642
00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:39,700
"Oh, my God, who could have known?
This is prescience,
643
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:43,260
"and it's foreshadowing what was
going to happen to my life that was
to come,"
644
00:43:43,260 --> 00:43:46,380
which was indeed much more
druggy than, you know,
645
00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:51,060
Francis Bacon could have anticipated
at the time he'd painted it.
646
00:43:51,060 --> 00:43:54,260
You know, we weren't really in the
same crowd.
647
00:43:54,260 --> 00:43:57,580
I was much younger.
648
00:43:57,580 --> 00:44:05,060
And I was smoking hash and taking
LSD and Francis was a drinker.
649
00:44:05,060 --> 00:44:12,580
But then, once I had left Mick and
my life kind of fell apart, really,
650
00:44:12,580 --> 00:44:20,020
and I was living on a wall in St
Anne's Court, on heroin.
651
00:44:20,020 --> 00:44:23,380
So I didn't feel the cold.
652
00:44:23,380 --> 00:44:27,940
And I also had, but I didn't
know it, anorexia.
653
00:44:27,940 --> 00:44:33,540
And I must have been on
Francis's route from the French
654
00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:36,980
to Wheeler's or something like that.
655
00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:40,660
And not all the time, but every now
and again
656
00:44:40,660 --> 00:44:45,100
Francis would go past my wall and
sort of pick me up
657
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:48,340
and take me to Wheeler's
and feed me.
658
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:55,460
And the most wonderful thing about
it, apart from the food, of course,
659
00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:59,900
was that he never commented or
judged
660
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:05,420
or said anything about
my strange life, you know?
661
00:45:05,420 --> 00:45:10,500
Me, at 22, living on a wall
in Soho,
662
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:15,060
with the meths drinkers and all
that, you know?
663
00:45:15,060 --> 00:45:19,100
He never made any judgment
or said a word.
664
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:23,500
We had a wonderful time, we talked
about absolutely everything.
665
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:28,340
And that's when I told him about my
great-great-uncle Leopold,
666
00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:31,820
which, of course, he knew all about,
667
00:45:31,820 --> 00:45:36,660
and we discussed de Sade and
masochism
668
00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:39,940
and lots of very interesting things
669
00:45:39,940 --> 00:45:43,300
that I didn't realise till much
later
670
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:47,860
how interesting they were
to Francis, of course.
671
00:45:49,140 --> 00:45:51,500
But I guessed something was up.
672
00:45:56,580 --> 00:45:58,460
He was obsessed by sex.
673
00:46:00,460 --> 00:46:04,900
He was plugged into all sorts of
different things
674
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:08,380
that most people aren't aware of.
675
00:46:10,820 --> 00:46:13,860
When we were out, at certain moments
he'd sort of almost
676
00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:17,300
walk through a wall
into a different world.
677
00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:19,420
And disappear.
678
00:46:19,420 --> 00:46:21,780
And what happened then,
I don't know.
679
00:46:39,860 --> 00:46:43,540
The next day he'd reappear in
a damaged state, you know,
680
00:46:43,540 --> 00:46:46,580
barely able to walk or turn his
head.
681
00:46:46,580 --> 00:46:51,340
And there was no point in sort of
saying, "Well, what happened,
Francis?"
682
00:46:51,340 --> 00:46:55,780
Because he'd, at best, he'd just,
you know,
683
00:46:55,780 --> 00:47:00,580
he'd just fix you with a sort of
basilisk stare and say,
"What do you mean?"
684
00:47:07,380 --> 00:47:13,180
I was fast asleep one night when the
phone went and Valerie Beston said,
685
00:47:13,180 --> 00:47:16,180
"Paul, quickly, quickly, you've got
to come to Reece Mews."
686
00:47:16,180 --> 00:47:18,820
I've got there and he had
687
00:47:18,820 --> 00:47:22,540
a huge injury, right the way across
688
00:47:22,540 --> 00:47:26,020
from his left eye right the way
across,
689
00:47:26,020 --> 00:47:27,700
right round the right eye.
690
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:32,060
All the skin had been broken and
he was in a terrible mess.
691
00:47:32,060 --> 00:47:35,340
And I said, "Francis, you need a
plastic surgeon."
692
00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:38,340
"No," he said, "you sew me up now."
693
00:47:38,340 --> 00:47:40,700
I said, "I'll put some local
anaesthetic in."
694
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:43,540
He said, "No, I don't want
any local anaesthetic."
695
00:47:43,540 --> 00:47:49,340
That's the only time I realised that
he quite enjoyed being hurt.
696
00:47:49,340 --> 00:47:53,140
Francis liked the criminal side
of London, you know?
697
00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:56,020
He liked the kind of...
698
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:58,180
sordidness of London,
699
00:47:58,180 --> 00:48:02,140
all that kind of East End dross
700
00:48:02,140 --> 00:48:04,900
and knowing all those kind of
people.
701
00:48:06,620 --> 00:48:08,980
Or wanting to know all those
kind of people.
702
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:16,940
George Dyer came on the scene as
this
703
00:48:16,940 --> 00:48:23,100
tough, well-built muscular
boxer-like East End thug.
704
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:26,180
And I think through George he,
you know, was able...
705
00:48:26,180 --> 00:48:29,340
George and George's family,
through all that,
706
00:48:29,340 --> 00:48:32,980
he got to know, you know, quite a
lot of bad boys,
707
00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:34,620
including the Krays.
708
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:38,220
Who did come knocking on his door.
Cos they wanted a painting.
709
00:48:39,460 --> 00:48:42,940
I like painting good-looking people.
710
00:48:42,940 --> 00:48:44,620
Because I like their bone structure.
711
00:48:44,620 --> 00:48:46,180
I loathe my own.
712
00:48:48,660 --> 00:48:51,220
But little by little it became
apparent
713
00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:53,020
that however sort of virile
714
00:48:53,020 --> 00:48:59,420
and thug-like he looked, he was
actually a very nice, lost young
man.
715
00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:04,860
George was obviously rather reticent
with the whip.
716
00:49:04,860 --> 00:49:06,740
So, little by little,
717
00:49:06,740 --> 00:49:13,620
Francis became disabused because
George had been, in that sense,
a disappointment.
718
00:49:13,620 --> 00:49:16,060
He was a kind of very feeble
East End thug,
719
00:49:16,060 --> 00:49:18,900
and he liked children and animals
and cuddling.
720
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:22,540
Bacon said, "Oh, I hate the billing
and cooing of sex. I just like the
sex."
721
00:49:22,540 --> 00:49:25,620
And he wanted George to rape him
and George wanted to cuddle.
722
00:49:28,220 --> 00:49:32,700
Francis confided just about
everything to do with his
relationship with George.
723
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:37,380
And it seemed that the sexual
relationship had a real downturn.
724
00:49:38,860 --> 00:49:41,820
George was suffering from erectile
dysfunction.
725
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:47,660
It seems to me that Francis
had emasculated George,
726
00:49:47,660 --> 00:49:53,620
he found what he saw as the typical
rough East Ender that he longed
727
00:49:53,620 --> 00:49:57,300
to find, and then he did that job
of emasculating him.
728
00:49:58,740 --> 00:50:01,460
Francis did his best to make
George Dyer
729
00:50:01,460 --> 00:50:05,220
into something. And I think
he did that on canvas.
730
00:50:08,060 --> 00:50:12,020
Bacon was violent in the way
he painted,
731
00:50:12,020 --> 00:50:15,980
he was sadistic in the way he
took apart George
732
00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:18,420
with missing ears and
missing jaws
733
00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:21,220
and missing eyes,
missing everything, really.
734
00:50:23,140 --> 00:50:26,340
George was a bit appalled by
the whole thing.
735
00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:29,780
He saw all of these rich people
standing around sort of, you know,
736
00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:33,660
in this smart gallery.
737
00:50:33,660 --> 00:50:37,060
He said to me, you know, "I think
they're 'orrible.
738
00:50:37,060 --> 00:50:39,540
"They're really 'orrible."
739
00:50:39,540 --> 00:50:42,060
He said, "And he thinks
I look like that!"
740
00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:47,180
George knew all the prices
for the pictures.
741
00:50:47,180 --> 00:50:53,540
And he said, "And these people go
and pay fucking thousands of pounds
for 'em."
742
00:50:55,700 --> 00:50:58,020
I mean, he portrays him as
a kind of idiot.
743
00:50:58,020 --> 00:50:59,900
He has things with what looks almost
like
744
00:50:59,900 --> 00:51:02,900
a nappy on his head or something.
745
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:04,940
And dressed as a baby.
746
00:51:04,940 --> 00:51:06,100
I mean, need I say more?
747
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:20,500
There were certainly moments when
things were firing up between them.
748
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:23,060
They had lovers' tiffs.
749
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:27,460
The one time when Francis phoned me
and said, "You have to come round,
750
00:51:27,460 --> 00:51:30,580
"you have to come round right away
because George has gone berserk
751
00:51:30,580 --> 00:51:33,940
"and all my suits are in the bath
and he's poured paint all over them
752
00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:35,460
"and he's trampling up and down."
753
00:51:35,460 --> 00:51:37,420
And I went round.
754
00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:42,500
And I couldn't get in because
the front door was barred.
755
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:45,180
So I had to back the vehicle up,
756
00:51:45,180 --> 00:51:49,540
get up onto the roof and go through
the window where I was nearly
757
00:51:49,540 --> 00:51:53,060
throttled by George until he
realised who it was.
758
00:51:53,060 --> 00:51:54,780
And he had, in fact,
759
00:51:54,780 --> 00:51:58,500
thrown two thirds of the furniture
down the staircase.
760
00:52:00,340 --> 00:52:03,900
Dyer is fighting, in a way...
761
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:06,220
He's just going downhill, downhill,
downhill,
762
00:52:06,220 --> 00:52:07,900
it must have been terrible to watch.
763
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:10,980
So it's almost like a desperate
attempt to get back in with Bacon
764
00:52:10,980 --> 00:52:13,780
and show Bacon that he is
still a man.
765
00:52:13,780 --> 00:52:17,420
Francis was painting fewer pictures
of George.
766
00:52:17,420 --> 00:52:18,860
He was weary of him, I think.
767
00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:23,140
Weary of his problems, of his
drinking, of his carousing,
768
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:25,780
of his unhappiness, perhaps.
769
00:52:25,780 --> 00:52:28,500
His better judgment told him that he
needed to be shot of Dyer.
770
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:31,020
Bacon began moving away from George.
771
00:52:34,140 --> 00:52:37,980
He looked more to Paris, at a time
when other British artists were
772
00:52:37,980 --> 00:52:40,380
resolutely not looking to Paris.
773
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:47,620
I think Bacon's interest in France
goes all the way back to 1928,
774
00:52:47,620 --> 00:52:49,740
on his first trip there.
775
00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:53,900
IN FRENCH:
776
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:21,460
In 1971,
getting a show at the Grand Palais
777
00:53:21,460 --> 00:53:24,540
was the great moment of his life.
778
00:53:24,540 --> 00:53:26,340
It was the turning point.
779
00:53:26,340 --> 00:53:30,420
Huge. The first English artist to be
offered the Grand Palais.
780
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:33,420
So, really, really big time.
781
00:53:33,420 --> 00:53:35,260
It was very important this went
well.
782
00:53:35,260 --> 00:53:39,340
I understand that the British
embassy were very worried in case
783
00:53:39,340 --> 00:53:41,740
a typical Bacon scene erupted
and it was, you know,
784
00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:43,980
something terrible happened there.
785
00:53:43,980 --> 00:53:47,660
George, Francis, myself, Miss
Beston,
786
00:53:47,660 --> 00:53:51,300
all had rooms in this
particular hotel.
787
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:55,620
Everybody else was saying, "Don't
bring George, he'll ruin
everything."
788
00:53:55,620 --> 00:53:59,860
Dicky and Denis and some others with
Francis had gone out and they saw
the venue.
789
00:53:59,860 --> 00:54:05,060
And there was a big red carpet and
there were the soldiers
standing there.
790
00:54:05,060 --> 00:54:08,380
They all described to me these
leather boots up to the knees
791
00:54:08,380 --> 00:54:11,100
and the red stripe up the soldiers'
tight trousers.
792
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:13,140
And they were fairly taken by this.
793
00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:14,660
They said Francis was...
794
00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:17,380
You could see him sort of swell
with pride at this.
795
00:54:17,380 --> 00:54:21,140
And they went back to the hotel
thinking this was going to be a good
evening.
796
00:54:21,140 --> 00:54:23,380
And Francis went up to his room.
797
00:54:23,380 --> 00:54:28,100
There was a stink of drugs, unwashed
bodies, dirty sex, and the rent boy,
798
00:54:28,100 --> 00:54:30,860
the very dirty rent boy, who was
in there with George.
799
00:54:30,860 --> 00:54:33,580
And Francis was furious.
800
00:54:33,580 --> 00:54:38,940
Dicky, Denis and Francis, they went
drinking, they went gambling.
801
00:54:38,940 --> 00:54:42,100
They had a four, five, six-course
meal.
802
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:46,380
They hardly hurried home, knowing
that George was in such a bad state.
803
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:51,820
I can't remember, exactly, the time,
but it must have been sort of two
o'clock in the morning.
804
00:54:51,820 --> 00:54:55,100
There was a knock at my door and
it was Francis.
805
00:54:55,100 --> 00:55:00,180
And he said, could he come and
spend the night in my room
806
00:55:00,180 --> 00:55:03,220
cos I had double... You know,
two beds.
807
00:55:03,220 --> 00:55:08,140
Because George had brought home
an Arab with smelly feet.
808
00:55:09,220 --> 00:55:12,340
And it was so disgusting he couldn't
stand it any longer.
809
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:19,780
And in the morning he said,
810
00:55:19,780 --> 00:55:25,580
"Just go and see if George has
got rid of the Arab."
811
00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:29,500
There was no evidence of
George being around, you know,
812
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:33,660
the bed was in a real state
of disarray.
813
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:40,580
And I then checked with Miss
Beston around the room,
814
00:55:40,580 --> 00:55:43,620
and looked in the bathroom.
815
00:55:43,620 --> 00:55:46,900
And George was on the toilet.
816
00:55:46,900 --> 00:55:50,100
Apparently Miss Beston pushed him
out of the way, went in there,
817
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:53,540
and did pulses and things like this
and said, "No, he's dead."
818
00:55:55,860 --> 00:55:58,940
I never even thought about it being
a suicide attempt.
819
00:56:00,140 --> 00:56:01,700
It could well have been.
820
00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:09,020
We thought brought about by him
being so drunk
821
00:56:09,020 --> 00:56:12,500
and taking the wrong tablets.
822
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:14,860
And so she said, "Right, I'll take
care of this."
823
00:56:14,860 --> 00:56:16,980
And Terry was pushed out of the way.
824
00:56:16,980 --> 00:56:18,580
And down she went.
825
00:56:18,580 --> 00:56:23,100
And Valerie did the fixing to then
make sure that
826
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:26,100
the death was found two days later.
827
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:29,500
I think it was a joint decision
between Francis,
828
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:34,180
Valerie and the hotel manager.
829
00:56:34,180 --> 00:56:37,060
Why was that decision made?
830
00:56:37,060 --> 00:56:39,420
It might have put the opening
in jeopardy.
831
00:56:41,060 --> 00:56:43,420
It had to be sorted for Francis.
832
00:56:46,020 --> 00:56:49,060
It was bizarre to think that,
you know,
833
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:52,660
this body was going to be left
in a hotel room overnight.
834
00:56:57,780 --> 00:57:02,340
You know, it's a hell of a thing to
decide not to report a dead body.
835
00:57:02,340 --> 00:57:06,580
Whether that was Bacon's idea,
you can't be sure.
836
00:57:06,580 --> 00:57:09,140
You know? I mean,
837
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:11,220
it looks like maybe that's what
happened,
838
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:12,860
but it's still a hell of a thing.
839
00:57:12,860 --> 00:57:14,700
I mean, that's a crime.
840
00:57:24,860 --> 00:57:29,660
Once the Grand Palais retrospective
had opened,
841
00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:32,540
the news began to sort of filter
out,
842
00:57:32,540 --> 00:57:36,180
and of course it got round with all
the speed of bad news.
843
00:57:36,180 --> 00:57:40,580
During the dinner, the whole room
knew that George had committed
suicide,
844
00:57:40,580 --> 00:57:43,460
but up until then nobody had heard.
845
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:46,020
Francis himself was in the Grand
Palais.
846
00:57:46,020 --> 00:57:48,980
I think, it was as though he wasn't
really there.
847
00:57:48,980 --> 00:57:52,420
He seemed totally abstracted.
He was pale,
848
00:57:52,420 --> 00:57:56,020
but he went through with the dinner
because he felt that it was better
849
00:57:56,020 --> 00:57:58,700
to go through with it than to
cancel.
850
00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:03,180
So, the stories about Francis being
told at the opening of his show and
851
00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:06,300
him being so brave and going ahead
with the show,
852
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:09,500
despite having been given this
dramatic news, are absolute tosh.
853
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:12,540
He knew that two days before.
Someone may well have gone up to him
854
00:58:12,540 --> 00:58:15,180
and told him the story, but that was
a bit of playacting.
855
00:58:15,180 --> 00:58:18,820
There was a picture that the French
had bought, a big triptych,
856
00:58:18,820 --> 00:58:24,060
which actually has George sitting on
a sort of beautifully painted
857
00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:25,700
creamy white toilet.
858
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:29,500
And because the French state
had just bought it,
859
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:33,860
President Pompidou paused for a long
time in front of that image.
860
00:58:33,860 --> 00:58:38,420
He had to stand there and talk about
this image,
861
00:58:38,420 --> 00:58:44,140
knowing that George had recently
died in exactly that position.
862
00:58:46,620 --> 00:58:49,540
IN FRENCH:
863
00:59:11,380 --> 00:59:14,020
And it was all...
864
00:59:18,460 --> 00:59:21,500
..awful and sad.
865
00:59:23,620 --> 00:59:27,420
This tragic event...
866
00:59:29,340 --> 00:59:35,300
..at the same time, gave him
perhaps the deepest
867
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:38,980
subject he was ever to have
in his life.
868
00:59:38,980 --> 00:59:40,500
It seems a bit mad,
869
00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:43,780
painting portraits of dead people.
870
00:59:43,780 --> 00:59:47,580
After all,
if their flesh has rotted away...
871
00:59:49,340 --> 00:59:52,060
..once they're dead,
872
00:59:52,060 --> 00:59:55,140
you have your memory of them, but...
873
00:59:57,900 --> 00:59:59,380
..you haven't got them.
874
01:00:04,460 --> 01:00:09,380
He actually went back to Paris
to absorb the memories,
875
01:00:09,380 --> 01:00:11,860
to relive the events.
876
01:00:11,860 --> 01:00:15,140
And actually stayed
in the same hotel
877
01:00:15,140 --> 01:00:17,940
where George had killed himself.
878
01:00:19,780 --> 01:00:26,700
And from this sort of well of guilt
and grief he dredged up
879
01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:31,060
these extraordinarily haunting
images that are some of, I think,
880
01:00:31,060 --> 01:00:34,940
the most profound images
in painting.
881
01:00:39,980 --> 01:00:41,620
When it came into the gallery...
882
01:00:43,020 --> 01:00:45,180
..and I saw it for the first time...
883
01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:51,380
..if Francis showed any emotion
to the death,
884
01:00:51,380 --> 01:00:53,060
the emotion was in that painting.
885
01:00:55,020 --> 01:00:57,660
Everything that he felt
886
01:00:57,660 --> 01:01:00,380
about George was in those paintings.
887
01:01:02,940 --> 01:01:06,820
Maybe it was just about getting it
out of his system.
888
01:01:06,820 --> 01:01:10,620
So, paint them, get them out the
studio,
889
01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:12,460
and then maybe I'll feel better.
890
01:01:15,980 --> 01:01:19,980
It got him recognition far beyond
anything he'd ever had before.
891
01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:23,060
It was the turning point in sales
892
01:01:23,060 --> 01:01:25,700
and sort of international
reputation.
893
01:01:31,420 --> 01:01:33,260
HE YELLS
894
01:01:45,020 --> 01:01:49,300
He was very much collected by very
important film directors.
895
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:52,500
And influenced, of course, in the
actual films,
896
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:54,940
Pasolini and Bertolucci.
897
01:01:56,180 --> 01:01:59,620
He was au courant, you know?
898
01:01:59,620 --> 01:02:02,580
And the power of his paintings
fitted the period.
899
01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:07,300
And he's a great inspiration.
900
01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:19,820
'When I made Theorem with Pasolini,'
901
01:02:19,820 --> 01:02:22,980
one day, he just showed up with this
book.
902
01:02:22,980 --> 01:02:25,820
And it was a book of Francis's
paintings.
903
01:02:25,820 --> 01:02:28,620
And he said, you know, "When you're
talking to the son,
904
01:02:28,620 --> 01:02:31,020
"you can kind of be flicking through
this."
905
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:33,580
And I realised, "Oh, he knows about
Francis."
906
01:02:33,580 --> 01:02:36,300
It becomes self-perpetuating.
907
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:41,020
Francis Bacon, who already at that
time, late '70s, was famous.
908
01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:42,460
I was right next door.
909
01:02:42,460 --> 01:02:45,220
And people would approach me
910
01:02:45,220 --> 01:02:49,420
to try and get a painting
on the cheap
911
01:02:49,420 --> 01:02:51,820
without going through
his gallery at Marlborough.
912
01:02:51,820 --> 01:02:54,060
Or to be painted by him.
913
01:02:54,060 --> 01:02:56,300
And I would fix little things for
him,
914
01:02:56,300 --> 01:02:59,100
like a leaky pipe, electricity
problem.
915
01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:00,980
Or I'd drive him somewhere.
916
01:03:00,980 --> 01:03:04,820
We sort of fairly quickly got over
the homosexual vibes,
917
01:03:04,820 --> 01:03:06,460
if I put it that way.
918
01:03:06,460 --> 01:03:10,900
We got into that and I said,
I just do not fancy men.
919
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:16,340
BACON, IN FRENCH:
920
01:03:28,380 --> 01:03:31,620
Bacon became a quite lonely man.
921
01:03:31,620 --> 01:03:37,580
The ageing process is particularly
hard on homosexuals.
922
01:03:37,580 --> 01:03:44,460
So, he was in a position of
diminished physical beauty,
as it were.
923
01:03:44,460 --> 01:03:48,380
I went a few times with Francis
to the West End gay clubs.
924
01:03:48,380 --> 01:03:51,140
Sometimes John Edwards was there,
sometimes not.
925
01:03:51,140 --> 01:03:53,900
John was like a son he never had.
926
01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:55,180
A friend.
927
01:03:55,180 --> 01:03:58,020
He really, really cared for John.
928
01:03:58,020 --> 01:04:01,700
John Edwards came into his life
in a curious fashion.
929
01:04:01,700 --> 01:04:05,340
He ran, or helped to run, a pub
in the East End.
930
01:04:05,340 --> 01:04:09,660
And Bacon had been there and said
he'd come back with some friends.
931
01:04:09,660 --> 01:04:13,460
And asked John to stock in
some champagne.
932
01:04:13,460 --> 01:04:16,660
And then Bacon didn't turn up.
John was mightily pissed off.
933
01:04:16,660 --> 01:04:19,900
And at some point, in The Colony
Room, told him.
934
01:04:19,900 --> 01:04:21,980
And this amused Bacon.
935
01:04:21,980 --> 01:04:27,060
Within a short space of time,
they became inseparable.
936
01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:28,620
They were...
937
01:04:28,620 --> 01:04:30,900
They were a team,
like Laurel and Hardy.
938
01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:32,700
They belonged together.
939
01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:37,620
They just became a very unusual
loving relationship. But no sex.
940
01:04:37,620 --> 01:04:41,140
The important thing about the
Edwards relationship was that it was
941
01:04:41,140 --> 01:04:45,740
paternal, but it's not always clear
who is the father and who is the
son.
942
01:04:46,980 --> 01:04:48,340
Oh, come in, John.
943
01:04:49,820 --> 01:04:53,100
I'm glad you came down.
944
01:04:53,100 --> 01:04:57,820
John, David is just asking me the
most difficult question.
945
01:04:57,820 --> 01:05:00,340
The pictures of Edwards are often
946
01:05:00,340 --> 01:05:03,660
quite eroticised and quite gentle,
you know.
947
01:05:03,660 --> 01:05:06,460
Yes, he has pieces of him that
disappear,
948
01:05:06,460 --> 01:05:08,500
yes, he might be leaking, his form
949
01:05:08,500 --> 01:05:10,340
might be leaking onto the ground,
950
01:05:10,340 --> 01:05:12,820
but not with the kind of violence or
951
01:05:12,820 --> 01:05:16,820
brutality that you see in Bacon's
earlier paintings.
952
01:05:22,580 --> 01:05:25,180
I often think of the Tempest in
Shakespeare,
953
01:05:25,180 --> 01:05:32,220
that there's a sort of, almost an
eerie calm in Bacon's later work.
954
01:05:32,220 --> 01:05:35,500
There's something rather beautiful
and simplified.
955
01:05:39,420 --> 01:05:44,260
A new period, a third period of
Bacon's work, the late landscapes.
956
01:05:44,260 --> 01:05:48,140
Bacon only did about ten of them
before he died,
957
01:05:48,140 --> 01:05:53,660
but that's a discreet body of late
work which is absolutely great,
958
01:05:53,660 --> 01:05:56,260
and some of his greatest work.
959
01:05:56,260 --> 01:05:58,940
He desperately wanted to be
a great artist.
960
01:05:58,940 --> 01:06:01,780
He destroyed, right up to the end
of his life,
961
01:06:01,780 --> 01:06:03,780
and by then every time he took
a knife to a painting,
962
01:06:03,780 --> 01:06:06,660
he'd just thrown away £1 million,
963
01:06:06,660 --> 01:06:09,180
which is really admirable, I think.
964
01:06:10,980 --> 01:06:16,180
By 1982, he was very famous and
he couldn't just...
965
01:06:16,180 --> 01:06:19,940
crumple up the canvas and put it in
the dustbin outside 7 Reece Mews,
966
01:06:19,940 --> 01:06:22,860
because people were constantly going
through his dustbin,
967
01:06:22,860 --> 01:06:25,340
looking for Bacon scraps, OK?
968
01:06:25,340 --> 01:06:28,140
So he wanted them absolutely
destroyed.
969
01:06:28,140 --> 01:06:30,380
So he would phone me up and I would
970
01:06:30,380 --> 01:06:32,860
go over right away and I would do
it.
971
01:06:32,860 --> 01:06:35,140
And the only way to destroy them was
with a Stanley knife,
972
01:06:35,140 --> 01:06:37,260
so you cut into it, cut strips.
973
01:06:37,260 --> 01:06:38,980
Cut all the strips
974
01:06:38,980 --> 01:06:42,820
and then put it in a rubbish bag
975
01:06:42,820 --> 01:06:46,380
and then they were taken
over to the Chelsea dump.
976
01:06:46,380 --> 01:06:50,060
And if you gave the man a fiver,
who ran the fire,
977
01:06:50,060 --> 01:06:55,060
he would take the bag right in front
of your eyes and things would be
burnt there, OK?
978
01:06:55,060 --> 01:06:58,100
And then I'd report back to
Francis that I did this.
979
01:06:58,100 --> 01:07:00,860
What did it feel like, to destroy?
Terrible.
980
01:07:04,140 --> 01:07:09,580
It's... Heart-wrenching,
gutting, terrible to destroy
a Francis Bacon painting.
981
01:07:09,580 --> 01:07:12,540
And some of them, I obviously looked
at them, I thought, "Pretty good.
982
01:07:12,540 --> 01:07:13,820
"I would like to have one."
983
01:07:15,620 --> 01:07:18,980
I didn't, though. No.
984
01:07:18,980 --> 01:07:20,500
Stupid!
985
01:07:21,780 --> 01:07:24,180
IN FRENCH:
986
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:32,940
What's vultures in French?
987
01:07:49,620 --> 01:07:52,860
Francis trusted John. He would
trust John with everything,
988
01:07:52,860 --> 01:07:56,340
from the early point. I remember
John coming home and saying,
989
01:07:56,340 --> 01:08:00,300
"Francis told me where he keeps his
money, where he keeps this,
where he keeps that."
990
01:08:00,300 --> 01:08:03,220
It's quite understandable
that the circle would
991
01:08:03,220 --> 01:08:06,620
look like this and say, "Who is he?
What's he want?
992
01:08:06,620 --> 01:08:09,900
"Is he trying to take advantage?"
993
01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:13,180
So, yes, there was definitely
suspicion.
994
01:08:13,180 --> 01:08:17,820
I must have first met John Edwards
with Francis,
995
01:08:17,820 --> 01:08:20,500
presumably in Muriel's.
996
01:08:20,500 --> 01:08:25,260
He thought it was very funny
to handcuff me to the bar.
997
01:08:26,820 --> 01:08:29,580
And he said he was going to
place a bet.
998
01:08:29,580 --> 01:08:33,220
And I didn't have any appointment or
anything I was doing that day,
999
01:08:33,220 --> 01:08:35,580
it was a free day,
1000
01:08:35,580 --> 01:08:38,540
so, I wasn't worried.
1001
01:08:38,540 --> 01:08:41,740
But it took him an hour and a half
or a little more
1002
01:08:41,740 --> 01:08:46,700
to place his bet, and so,
he eventually
1003
01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:49,100
did reappear, just when I was
wondering
1004
01:08:49,100 --> 01:08:52,380
what I would do if I was
going to be there for the night.
1005
01:08:52,380 --> 01:08:55,740
It was only one arm, so
my drinking arm was free,
1006
01:08:55,740 --> 01:08:58,300
and I was sitting drinking anyhow.
1007
01:08:58,300 --> 01:09:02,300
The most important thing for Francis
was that John had enough money to
1008
01:09:02,300 --> 01:09:04,380
last his life. He changed his will.
1009
01:09:04,380 --> 01:09:08,420
When you think of Francis and how
complicated his life was,
1010
01:09:08,420 --> 01:09:10,700
this will was one page long,
just one page.
1011
01:09:10,700 --> 01:09:15,540
And everything went to John Edwards
if he succeeded Francis by
three months.
1012
01:09:15,540 --> 01:09:19,780
Francis always made John aware that
he would inherit a lot of money.
1013
01:09:23,260 --> 01:09:28,020
Well, Bacon said he thought about
death every day of his life.
1014
01:09:28,020 --> 01:09:35,660
And as he aged, it must have become
more and more present to him, death,
1015
01:09:35,660 --> 01:09:38,060
and as his friends died,
others died...
1016
01:09:38,060 --> 01:09:42,900
The death of Muriel... I think the
fading of The Colony
1017
01:09:42,900 --> 01:09:45,980
must have been difficult for Bacon.
1018
01:09:45,980 --> 01:09:49,860
In the '80s, Soho really had ended.
1019
01:09:49,860 --> 01:09:54,140
It was pretty much running on fumes
and I think that that had, you know,
1020
01:09:54,140 --> 01:09:59,620
a very depressing influence on Bacon
on top of everything else.
1021
01:09:59,620 --> 01:10:03,060
You know, it's - what is it? -
40 years on or something,
1022
01:10:03,060 --> 01:10:08,540
and he would have been reminded
greatly about the passing of time.
1023
01:10:08,540 --> 01:10:12,300
Well, I'd seen Bacon around a lot,
but I'd never spoken to him
1024
01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:17,060
cos, I guess a kind of hero or
something and I was quite young,
1025
01:10:17,060 --> 01:10:20,020
but I used to see him in cafes in
Soho.
1026
01:10:20,020 --> 01:10:22,900
And if I'd been out late, I'd
end up going early morning into
1027
01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:25,300
a cafe, and sometimes he'd be
having breakfast.
1028
01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:28,660
So it was kind of odd to be in the
same room as him and not speak to
him
1029
01:10:28,660 --> 01:10:32,140
but then, I just thought, what the
hell would I say or whatever?
1030
01:10:32,140 --> 01:10:36,100
In his last years,
he looked very old and very tired
1031
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:39,020
and he must have felt very pained
1032
01:10:39,020 --> 01:10:43,020
at that moment, you know, to see
the world flashing before his eyes.
1033
01:10:43,020 --> 01:10:45,740
John wasn't always there for him.
1034
01:10:45,740 --> 01:10:49,580
John was there to support him,
but he wasn't there 24/7.
1035
01:10:49,580 --> 01:10:52,420
From day one, John had his partner,
Philip.
1036
01:10:52,420 --> 01:10:57,900
They'd been together five or six
years before Francis came on the
scene.
1037
01:10:57,900 --> 01:10:59,340
And that was a no-go area.
1038
01:10:59,340 --> 01:11:01,420
That was John's life,
1039
01:11:01,420 --> 01:11:02,900
Francis was totally aware of that.
1040
01:11:02,900 --> 01:11:06,260
John Edwards was travelling a lot,
he didn't live in London, and again,
1041
01:11:06,260 --> 01:11:11,300
I was living 20 metres away from
him, so it deepened his trust in me.
1042
01:11:11,300 --> 01:11:16,020
The opportunity came up to
arrange a supper party at my place
for Francis Bacon.
1043
01:11:16,020 --> 01:11:18,460
So Frederick Ashton had already
committed to come,
1044
01:11:18,460 --> 01:11:21,500
who was the great
choreographer of the time.
1045
01:11:21,500 --> 01:11:25,540
I was left with an empty seat and I
thought, "Who can I invite?"
1046
01:11:25,540 --> 01:11:30,940
Jose Capelo was someone I
used to see at first at the
Royal Opera House.
1047
01:11:30,940 --> 01:11:32,740
He was interested in art.
1048
01:11:32,740 --> 01:11:35,820
And I phoned Jose and he leapt at
the chance.
1049
01:11:35,820 --> 01:11:40,540
And Ashton and Francis took
an immediate liking to him.
1050
01:11:40,540 --> 01:11:42,620
And Francis was rather famous,
of course,
1051
01:11:42,620 --> 01:11:47,300
for liking a certain amount
of roughish trade.
1052
01:11:47,300 --> 01:11:52,540
There was an element of relief with
Jose, because Jose was firmly
1053
01:11:52,540 --> 01:11:55,900
well-educated,
professional middle class,
1054
01:11:55,900 --> 01:11:58,980
and so was much easier
to talk to.
1055
01:11:58,980 --> 01:12:01,700
I think John would have been happy
for Francis.
1056
01:12:01,700 --> 01:12:03,700
There was no jealousy there between
them.
1057
01:12:03,700 --> 01:12:06,540
Nothing for John to worry about.
1058
01:12:06,540 --> 01:12:09,220
John had all the keys to all the
boxes.
1059
01:12:09,220 --> 01:12:14,220
Francis Bacon and Jose Capelo shared
a safety deposit box at Harrods.
1060
01:12:14,220 --> 01:12:16,060
They both had keys.
1061
01:12:16,060 --> 01:12:20,780
John wanted the key from Jose.
1062
01:12:20,780 --> 01:12:25,060
Jose was very difficult to read,
as far as what really drove him.
1063
01:12:25,060 --> 01:12:28,180
And I never went further.
He would clam up.
1064
01:12:28,180 --> 01:12:32,140
They were travelling together.
They would go to Venice, Madrid.
1065
01:12:32,140 --> 01:12:34,420
Francis would come back with a big
smile on his face.
1066
01:12:34,420 --> 01:12:37,060
He was a happy man. He was in love
1067
01:12:37,060 --> 01:12:41,020
and for Francis, that obviously
meant sexually it was going well.
1068
01:12:44,900 --> 01:12:48,340
Yes, in 1988, he's inspired.
1069
01:12:48,340 --> 01:12:51,020
He re-works, re-studies.
1070
01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:53,580
It is not brutish any longer.
1071
01:12:53,580 --> 01:12:58,980
It's as if the monsters have been
turned into silk,
1072
01:12:58,980 --> 01:13:02,420
and they no longer are going to jump
out of the frame and bite you.
1073
01:13:02,420 --> 01:13:04,660
There is something distant.
1074
01:13:04,660 --> 01:13:06,780
But that is kind of fascinating too,
you know?
1075
01:13:06,780 --> 01:13:12,780
I mean, to look at your earlier
work, and your earlier
1076
01:13:12,780 --> 01:13:18,540
juicy brutality, and then make it
more designed,
1077
01:13:18,540 --> 01:13:23,340
distant, behind glass -
it's another feeling.
1078
01:13:23,340 --> 01:13:26,180
HIRST: The Figure At The Base Of
A Crucifixion,
1079
01:13:26,180 --> 01:13:28,420
that's just an unbelievable
painting.
1080
01:13:29,860 --> 01:13:33,860
I mean, I made a couple of pieces
which were directly, you know,
1081
01:13:33,860 --> 01:13:36,180
taken from Bacon paintings.
1082
01:13:36,180 --> 01:13:40,140
Like I made a three-dimensional
triptych.
1083
01:13:40,140 --> 01:13:43,980
I saw these kind of terrifying
social spaces that Bacon was
painting.
1084
01:13:43,980 --> 01:13:46,900
I remember thinking, "I wonder if I
could actually make these spaces?"
1085
01:13:46,900 --> 01:13:49,820
I got a phone call from the Saatchi
Gallery and they said,
1086
01:13:49,820 --> 01:13:53,100
"Bacon was in today and he was stood
in front of your sculpture for an
hour."
1087
01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:55,260
I was like, "An hour? No, can't
be an hour."
1088
01:13:55,260 --> 01:13:59,060
Around September 1990, we went up to
Saatchi's -
1089
01:13:59,060 --> 01:14:01,980
the first time he saw Damien Hirst.
1090
01:14:01,980 --> 01:14:05,700
He liked one piece of Damien Hirst
and we came back and we were having
drinks.
1091
01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:07,460
After you've drunk a bottle of wine
1092
01:14:07,460 --> 01:14:09,460
you come to things that really
matter,
1093
01:14:09,460 --> 01:14:13,100
and it's not looking at
Damien Hirst, it's your love affair.
1094
01:14:13,100 --> 01:14:17,300
Jose had framed it like "Francis,
I want to stay your friend."
1095
01:14:17,300 --> 01:14:20,300
That means no more sexual
relationship.
1096
01:14:20,300 --> 01:14:23,660
And for Francis Bacon, he knew
exactly what it meant, and he
was devastated.
1097
01:14:23,660 --> 01:14:25,700
So Francis, in his cups...
1098
01:14:27,620 --> 01:14:31,220
..told me about the relationship and
those two years with Jose,
1099
01:14:31,220 --> 01:14:36,060
and the fact that he'd given Jose
four million US.
1100
01:14:36,060 --> 01:14:37,940
and two of his paintings.
1101
01:14:39,300 --> 01:14:42,940
I could read his pain, how
gutted he was, his anguish.
1102
01:14:42,940 --> 01:14:49,300
Well, I would say he slowly, slowly
deteriorated from 1990,
1103
01:14:49,300 --> 01:14:51,900
over the following two years,
1104
01:14:51,900 --> 01:14:55,140
and I took him to one specialist
after another
1105
01:14:55,140 --> 01:14:58,220
and none of them could help him.
1106
01:14:58,220 --> 01:15:02,940
He kept saying to me, "I've got
to go to Madrid cos I want
to see Jose".
1107
01:15:02,940 --> 01:15:05,300
IN FRENCH:
1108
01:15:54,060 --> 01:15:57,100
Finally, Francis Bacon,
one of the most highly acclaimed
1109
01:15:57,100 --> 01:15:59,220
British painters this century
has died.
1110
01:15:59,220 --> 01:16:02,820
The painter Francis Bacon has died
at the age of 82.
1111
01:16:02,820 --> 01:16:04,820
He collapsed while on holiday
in Spain.
1112
01:16:04,820 --> 01:16:06,940
It's thought he had a heart attack.
1113
01:16:06,940 --> 01:16:09,500
He kept saying to me, "I've got to
see Jose."
1114
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:13,580
I said, "Francis, whatever you do,
don't go to Madrid,
1115
01:16:13,580 --> 01:16:16,220
"because you're not going to survive
if you do."
1116
01:16:18,220 --> 01:16:21,460
I was really destroyed when I heard
he had died.
1117
01:16:21,460 --> 01:16:24,180
It was really very, very sad.
1118
01:16:24,180 --> 01:16:26,660
But it was inevitable.
1119
01:16:26,660 --> 01:16:31,660
He was reckless about his own life
and other people's lives, I think.
1120
01:16:33,060 --> 01:16:35,660
What caused the heart attack?
1121
01:16:35,660 --> 01:16:37,980
Was it... Did Jose and Francis
have a huge row?
1122
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:43,860
And Francis had the heart attack
and was whisked off to hospital.
1123
01:16:43,860 --> 01:16:48,820
Francis was in a Catholic hospital
being attended by Catholic nuns
1124
01:16:48,820 --> 01:16:50,900
and Jose was not there.
1125
01:16:50,900 --> 01:16:53,180
It's despicable.
1126
01:16:53,180 --> 01:16:55,500
I think that if Bacon is consistent,
1127
01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:58,380
he has to be prepared to die
at any time,
1128
01:16:58,380 --> 01:17:01,100
to be taken advantage of at any
time,
1129
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:03,940
for things not to work out at
any time,
1130
01:17:03,940 --> 01:17:06,380
and I think he was.
He was a gambler.
1131
01:17:06,380 --> 01:17:09,020
He understood that gamblers
usually lose.
1132
01:17:11,660 --> 01:17:12,740
The Study Of A Bull,
1133
01:17:12,740 --> 01:17:14,820
the last painting Bacon completed,
1134
01:17:14,820 --> 01:17:16,140
is mostly raw canvas.
1135
01:17:16,140 --> 01:17:17,940
I don't think that's a question of
it
1136
01:17:17,940 --> 01:17:19,300
being unfinished in any sense.
1137
01:17:19,300 --> 01:17:24,100
He said what he wanted to say
in that top left corner of
the painting.
1138
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:27,500
The bull seems to be shifting
between two spaces.
1139
01:17:27,500 --> 01:17:29,140
That seems like life and death.
1140
01:17:29,140 --> 01:17:31,580
And the fact that he used dust
as a medium,
1141
01:17:31,580 --> 01:17:34,100
this is the dust to which he will
return,
1142
01:17:34,100 --> 01:17:36,900
as indeed he did in Madrid
only a few months later.
1143
01:17:50,060 --> 01:17:54,420
Whatever it is, 50 years, 75 years
later,
1144
01:17:54,420 --> 01:17:59,980
they seem even more important,
more...
1145
01:17:59,980 --> 01:18:02,420
monumental in their effect.
1146
01:18:04,180 --> 01:18:06,900
He seems to have been perceived
now
1147
01:18:06,900 --> 01:18:11,020
almost as a kind of religious
painter,
1148
01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:14,860
as somebody who emanates out of
1149
01:18:14,860 --> 01:18:17,660
sort of 16th-century Italian
painting,
1150
01:18:17,660 --> 01:18:24,580
because it has that degree of
passion, martyrdom and torture,
1151
01:18:24,580 --> 01:18:29,740
which is what's so wonderful about
Francis's painting, to my mind.
1152
01:18:29,740 --> 01:18:32,060
There's a sort of sacred
quality to them.
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