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Our imperative is to find out
exactly what did happen that night,
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and right now,
I have lots of questions.
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If there is anything to find,
it's gonna be with the head.
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Fogerty had four other
probationers from Hendon with him.
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One of them was you.
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Am I a suspect here?
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I think we talk Friday
about my money.
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We think you can help us
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throw some light on the
events of an evening 30 years ago.
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We're done.
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And whoever sent you from upstairs,
tell them, "Nice try, but no cigar."
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It's me, we need to meet.
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- Evening, everybody.
- DCI Cassie Stuart.
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I do remember Rob on that night,
of course, how could you not?
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- But not this lad.
- Do not tell your brother this.
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I have a criminal conviction.
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If we lost that money,
you could ruin us.
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And what would you do for me
in return?
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I want my half to go to charity.
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Given what I know that
you'll be doing for me.
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I get it, Grandad. I understand.
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Could I just run a few other
names past you? Liz Baildon?
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No.
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- What are you doing? Are you insane?
- Tomorrow, 11 o'clock.
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Pay for your train ticket in cash.
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I have a witness, who can confirm
that Walsh was being chased.
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The chase suggests that his murder
was in some way provoked.
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- Jake?
- I found the rest of him.
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♪ All we do is hide away
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♪ All we do is
All we do is hide away
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♪ All we do is lie and wait
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♪ All we do is
All we do is lie in wait
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♪ I've been upside down
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♪ I don't wanna be
The right way round
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♪ Can't find paradise
On the ground. ♪
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- Hey-ya.
- Hey.
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- So, how did it go?
- Yeah, good.
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And?
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I think you need to let it go, Mum.
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He knows exactly what he's doing,
it's got nothing to do with her.
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- Right.
- Sorry.
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No, fine.
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Just don't come running to me
in ten years' time
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when you've got no money
for a deposit on a flat.
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Right. Yeah, well...
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Now I know. Thanks for that.
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I am so sorry.
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Don't be daft, it's not your fault.
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So, um, welcome home.
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Well, that sounds very nice.
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Doesn't it?
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How are the girls?
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Oh, very excited to have
their own rooms, as you can hear.
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Yeah.
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I need more of this.
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- What's this?
- Year 10 debating prize. I won it.
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- When was this?
- Yesterday.
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Erm, I did tell you I was doing it,
but... You had Jack's evening, so...
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Oh, mate. Well done.
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So well done.
That is just brilliant.
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And... I'm so sorry
if we're not always on it.
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You know, he takes up
a lot of our time.
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But you...
You're an absolute star.
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Really are.
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Wow, he looks almost... mummified.
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Well, with the fridge unplugged
and open,
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that's pretty much what's happened.
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Can we be sure it is Matthew?
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I'll be sending samples for DNA,
obviously, but it is male,
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we have laryngeal prominence here,
and a quick look at the teeth
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certainly suggests
the right age group.
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And you know
what I'm gonna ask next?
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The answer is a cautious maybe.
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There's a depressed fracture
over the temple here,
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which certainly has to be
a contender for cause of death,
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but let me do an X-ray, open him up,
and then let's see where we are. OK.
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- And did Jay call you yet?
- Jay? The forensic botanist?
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He's had some interesting results
on the leaf material on the T-shirt.
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- Er, no.
- Anyway, he'll call you.
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So, Murray's had a quick squint
through the mobile phone records.
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No indication that any of them
are speaking to each other yet.
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Well, not on
their regular phones, no.
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We are also looking into
phone mast data.
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Cheers, Leanne. We'll speak later.
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Hi. DC Fran Lingley.
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Trying to trace a man
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we believe may have stayed here
a few years ago.
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Wondered if you had any records
on him. Name of Clive Walsh.
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Also, I spoke to Hendon first thing.
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Trying to locate that intake's
lead trainer for us. Yeah.
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I just think the more of a sense
we can get of them as people,
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cos if this was a murder,
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that is just such
an extraordinary thing
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for five newbie coppers
to have been involved with.
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That just doesn't come
out of nowhere, does it?
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Er, yeah, OK. The last record
we've got of Clive,
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he's been given a residential place
just under two years ago
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in a halfway house in Bow.
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Fiona?
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Lizzie. Hello.
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- I have to search you, I'm afraid.
- I'm sorry?
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I have to check
you're not wearing a wire.
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Wearing...?!
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Jesus, Liz. What do you think of me?
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- Or I'll walk away.
- Liz!
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OK. OK. Oh, my God.
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I need to see your phone.
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I need to know you're not recording
anything. Thank you.
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So... I presume they've
spoken to you? The police?
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- Yes.
- But what have you said?
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I just told 'em the truth, Fiona.
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Like we agreed. I hope you did too.
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Oh, fuck! No. Sorry.
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It was 30 years ago.
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What did you tell them, then?
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I told them...
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...I was too drunk
to remember anything.
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OK. Well, that can work for now.
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And if they interview you again,
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then the truth can slowly
come back to you.
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Right.
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You remember it?
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Erm...
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...after Rob got pulled,
you drove the rest of us home...
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...before taking his car back to his,
which was near where you lived.
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And how did I get
from Rob's to my flat?
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- You walked?
- Good.
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And, erm...
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...what if they find out
about the pub?
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They won't find out about the pub.
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They have no connection to us
in the pub. No names, anywhere.
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They might find someone. That's
what they do. You should know.
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What if they find out about the pub?
They might find out about the rest.
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About what you did for me.
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They might find out
about everything.
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I'm sorry. I can't...
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I can't just be cold and hard
about it like you can.
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I'm trying to remain
as dispassionate as possible.
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I think it's the most useful thing
to do right now.
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I have to go.
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If you need to contact me,
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I've set up a Hotmail,
Betty two-nine-zero-two.
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You're still beautiful, Fi.
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I hope your life has been happy.
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So, three weeks before
Matthew Walsh goes missing,
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he was cautioned
for an incident in a pub.
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A physical altercation
with another drinker.
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Now, he wasn't charged,
so it can't have been that serious,
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but the reason I mention it is cos
of the pub it was in, The Ifield.
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- What, our Ifield?
- Hendon Lane.
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Now, pretty much everyone
who trained at the academy
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drank at The Ifield.
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So, I was thinking...
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What are the chances the ruck
he had was with a probationer?
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- Exactly.
- Nice. I like that, Murray.
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I like that very much.
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Ian Henderson?
DCI Cassie Stuart, DI Sunny Khan.
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Yeah, I trained all five of them.
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OK, can we start with Ram,
then, please?
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Ram hasn't changed in 30 years.
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He was a cocky little runt
back then,
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and from what I've heard,
he's still a cocky little runt now.
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Used to play the race card
at every opportunity.
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Still does, from what I hear.
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When you say, "Play the race card",
what do you mean?
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Objects to being called a Paki
on a daily basis?
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You come from Wales,
you get called Taff, Scotland, Jock,
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it's the same difference.
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It isn't, but let's maybe
not go there right now.
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So, aside from being cocky,
what was he like as a person?
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Was he good copper material?
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Here's the deal. I always thought
Ram would go right to the top,
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- or end up in prison.
- Prison?
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Listen, the lad was a smart boy,
there's no doubt about that.
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He was ambitious, charismatic,
very funny, people liked him.
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He was also fucking angry.
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He had a massive chip
on his shoulder about his colour.
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You combine that with his
risk-taking and his liking power
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a bit much,
well, it makes him dangerous.
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The proof of the pudding,
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you check his disciplinary record
over the years, yeah?
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I mean, the guy obviously thought
he was untouchable.
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And worse still,
that he had a right to be.
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Now, personally,
I think if he'd been white,
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he'd have been inside by now.
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So, you think he could have
been capable of breaking the law.
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100%.
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Did you see anything, anything
specific when you worked with him
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- that led you to this conclusion?
- No.
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So, it's just
a generalised prejudice, then?
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You wanted my opinion,
I've given it ya. OK, moving on.
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Dean Barton.
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Deano. Oh, well,
Deano was the polar opposite.
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One of the most instinctive coppers
I ever trained.
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Fast-thinking, very analytical
brain, great team player.
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- OK, so...
- Hello, mate.
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- All right, Ram.
- Dean told me that he left,
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because he didn't think
he was a team player.
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All right, let me rephrase that.
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On the job, he worked well
alongside the others, yeah?
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But, er, yeah, socially,
yeah, I'd agree with you.
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Yeah, he was a loner. Very private.
Secretive, almost.
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But honest? You trusted him?
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Deano? He was a straight as a die.
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So, tell me about Liz Baildon.
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Unsurprisingly, a natural.
Yeah, the Prof, we used to call her.
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Great under pressure,
very level-headed.
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Oh, she's a great team leader.
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She had a way of motivating people
effortlessly.
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And was she out then?
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No, the climate was different
to today.
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It wasn't as easy to admit
you were gay.
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So, no relationships
that you remember?
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Well, not in an open sense,
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but she was as thick as thieves
with one girl.
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Who was that?
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- Your fourth name.
- Fiona Grayson?
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Yeah, or the Wet Blanket,
as we used to call her.
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Literally no idea
what she was doing there.
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I mean, she was
a perfectly capable lady,
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but she clearly hated
the whole set-up
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and I wasn't surprised
when I heard she'd quit.
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OK, and finally, Rob Fogerty.
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Yeah, I liked Rob. Nice guy.
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A little sorry for him when
I heard he got chucked off, but...
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well, it didn't surprise me.
He's not the sharpest knife.
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And he was a big guy.
Was there any violence in him?
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No, the opposite.
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I really had to push him
when we did restraint training.
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No, there was nothing violent
in Rob.
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No, he's a real gentle giant.
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Can you think of anything else
connected to any of them
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that sticks in your mind?
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Anything you haven't
already touched on?
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You know, the five of them,
they formed a little gang.
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I was never quite sure what it was.
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I mean, they all came from
very different backgrounds,
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they have very different
personalities, but...
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there was some sort of connection.
240
00:14:26,206 --> 00:14:28,123
Then, on the day
of the passing-out parade,
241
00:14:28,125 --> 00:14:29,734
I think I saw what it was.
242
00:14:29,736 --> 00:14:33,614
What? Not one of them had a guest.
Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Right?
243
00:14:33,616 --> 00:14:35,364
I mean, everyone has guests,
haven't they?
244
00:14:35,366 --> 00:14:39,255
Mums, dads, siblings, friends,
someone, but no... no, not them.
245
00:14:41,456 --> 00:14:43,955
And I think that's
what their connection was.
246
00:14:45,935 --> 00:14:47,185
For whatever reason...
247
00:14:49,466 --> 00:14:50,776
...they were out on their own.
248
00:14:52,906 --> 00:14:55,104
Are you gonna be able to find
stuff out, do you think?
249
00:14:55,106 --> 00:14:58,744
If it moves forward, keep us ahead
of the game? I'll do what I can.
250
00:14:58,746 --> 00:15:00,933
But obviously,
if they start looking at us closely,
251
00:15:00,935 --> 00:15:02,774
they'll be looking at me closely,
so...
252
00:15:02,776 --> 00:15:05,640
Bottom line, we stick to the truth,
you know. We'll be fine.
253
00:15:05,641 --> 00:15:06,935
We hope.
254
00:15:09,216 --> 00:15:10,496
So, I've got to go, fella.
255
00:15:12,546 --> 00:15:14,704
That business the other day,
all went all right?
256
00:15:14,706 --> 00:15:16,654
Yeah. Yeah, it was fine.
257
00:15:16,656 --> 00:15:20,624
Thanks for helping out
at short notice. Last time, yeah.
258
00:15:20,626 --> 00:15:23,986
- I've moved on now.
- Absolutely, me too. It's a one-off.
259
00:15:26,346 --> 00:15:28,466
- You look after yourself, buddy.
- Yeah, and you.
260
00:15:51,626 --> 00:15:53,309
Hello, is it Clive?
261
00:15:53,310 --> 00:15:55,464
- Yes.
- Hello, Clive.
262
00:15:55,466 --> 00:15:57,544
My name is DC Fran Lingley,
263
00:15:57,546 --> 00:16:01,106
and I have some news
about your brother, Matthew.
264
00:16:02,906 --> 00:16:04,214
Sweet cicely?
265
00:16:04,216 --> 00:16:06,794
Yes, so it's native to the north,
which means
266
00:16:06,796 --> 00:16:09,514
you're very unlikely to find it
growing wild down here.
267
00:16:09,516 --> 00:16:12,904
OK. 'So, within the rough area
he was last seen in,
268
00:16:12,906 --> 00:16:14,214
I'd be looking for
269
00:16:14,216 --> 00:16:15,984
vegetable plots in gardens, or,
270
00:16:15,986 --> 00:16:19,214
and for me this is the most likely
scenario, an allotment.
271
00:16:19,216 --> 00:16:21,744
Right. Thank you.
272
00:16:21,746 --> 00:16:23,968
- And he is happy to come here?
- Yes, he is.
273
00:16:23,969 --> 00:16:24,744
OK.
274
00:16:24,746 --> 00:16:26,854
We're on our way back.
Be there in about 20.
275
00:16:26,855 --> 00:16:28,190
OK, see you then.
276
00:16:30,626 --> 00:16:32,746
OK, Clive. Shall we get going?
277
00:16:36,065 --> 00:16:39,774
- Fran's found the brother.
- Whose brother? Matthew Walsh's.
278
00:16:39,776 --> 00:16:42,774
Turns out he was with Matthew
the night he disappeared. No!
279
00:16:42,776 --> 00:16:45,016
He was having a pee in the bushes
when the car pulled up.
280
00:16:46,055 --> 00:16:48,346
He saw everything.
281
00:16:52,935 --> 00:16:57,133
Yeah. I remember the case,
because of his colour.
282
00:16:57,135 --> 00:16:58,824
Whose colour?
283
00:16:58,826 --> 00:17:00,854
The probationer
involved in the altercation.
284
00:17:00,856 --> 00:17:05,133
So, you receive details
that Walsh made a pass at a woman...
285
00:17:05,135 --> 00:17:06,494
Who was also a probie, I think.
286
00:17:06,496 --> 00:17:08,774
...and she blanked him,
and he got a bit lairy,
287
00:17:08,776 --> 00:17:11,024
and then a lad she was having
a drink with intervened,
288
00:17:11,026 --> 00:17:12,464
and that's when it all kicked off?
289
00:17:12,466 --> 00:17:15,744
After Walsh made racially abusive
remarks, I think.
290
00:17:15,746 --> 00:17:17,744
And I'm assuming
it was just a bit of handbags,
291
00:17:17,746 --> 00:17:19,933
- because Walsh only got cautioned?
- No, not at all.
292
00:17:19,935 --> 00:17:23,494
Walsh actually gave the lad
a bit of a kicking. So...
293
00:17:23,496 --> 00:17:26,776
So, he was let off, because
my sergeant wanted it buried.
294
00:17:28,746 --> 00:17:31,484
If Walsh had been charged,
there would have been a court case,
295
00:17:31,486 --> 00:17:33,776
and the probationer would have
got in trouble and...
296
00:17:35,026 --> 00:17:37,544
Obviously, we'd just started
recruiting ethnic minorities,
297
00:17:37,546 --> 00:17:39,414
so it wouldn't have played out well
for anyone.
298
00:17:39,416 --> 00:17:42,933
So, the fact there's no other names
in this report, apart from Walsh's,
299
00:17:42,935 --> 00:17:44,053
that was deliberate?
300
00:17:44,055 --> 00:17:46,263
I didn't write this report,
my sergeant did,
301
00:17:46,265 --> 00:17:48,466
and he's been dead ten years,
but, yeah.
302
00:17:49,906 --> 00:17:54,414
I'm guessing he was protecting
the witnesses,
303
00:17:54,416 --> 00:17:58,135
the girl, and very particularly,
the Asian lad.
304
00:18:00,496 --> 00:18:02,263
And as we were walking
across Napley Green,
305
00:18:02,265 --> 00:18:05,466
I decided to duck
into the bush for a pee.
306
00:18:06,626 --> 00:18:10,904
Just as I did,
I heard a shout, "Oi! Walshy boy!"
307
00:18:10,906 --> 00:18:16,053
I turned, and I saw this car
about 50 yards away,
308
00:18:16,055 --> 00:18:18,414
with a bloke getting out
the front passenger seat,
309
00:18:18,416 --> 00:18:20,053
and he was just running at Matty.
310
00:18:20,055 --> 00:18:22,513
And do you remember
what he looked like?
311
00:18:22,514 --> 00:18:23,624
Asian guy.
312
00:18:23,626 --> 00:18:24,854
And what did your brother do?
313
00:18:24,856 --> 00:18:27,854
Well, he looked pretty useful
and angry,
314
00:18:27,856 --> 00:18:31,854
and there was others in the car,
so he just ran.
315
00:18:31,856 --> 00:18:36,104
And I had just a second or two
to decide, you know,
316
00:18:36,106 --> 00:18:40,414
show him that there was two of us,
make him think twice, maybe?
317
00:18:40,416 --> 00:18:45,385
I've never had a fight in my life,
so I ducked down...
318
00:18:47,626 --> 00:18:48,746
...and I hid.
319
00:18:51,466 --> 00:18:53,904
And then, the driver got out.
320
00:18:53,906 --> 00:18:58,466
Tall fella, ran off
in the direction of the others.
321
00:18:59,986 --> 00:19:02,183
And then about 30 seconds later,
the third man.
322
00:19:02,185 --> 00:19:04,296
I could still see two others
in the back seats.
323
00:19:05,546 --> 00:19:08,414
After about five minutes,
they got out as well
324
00:19:08,416 --> 00:19:12,416
and they were all quickly off in
the direction the others had gone.
325
00:19:16,055 --> 00:19:19,624
But these two were women.
326
00:19:19,626 --> 00:19:21,904
And that was it.
327
00:19:21,906 --> 00:19:26,546
I never saw them,
or my brother, again.
328
00:19:28,385 --> 00:19:32,104
Why did you never say anything
about this at the time?
329
00:19:32,106 --> 00:19:35,774
I had a job.
In Cyprus, in a club.
330
00:19:35,776 --> 00:19:37,774
I had to fly out the next day
to start,
331
00:19:37,776 --> 00:19:40,133
but this was before mobile phones,
332
00:19:40,135 --> 00:19:43,744
so I didn't even hear
that he was missing for weeks,
333
00:19:43,746 --> 00:19:48,544
and when I did get back, early June,
pretty much everyone just reckoned
334
00:19:48,546 --> 00:19:52,294
he was lying low, because of
the warrants that was out for him.
335
00:19:52,296 --> 00:19:55,776
Everyone reckoned
he'd just turn up one day.
336
00:19:59,496 --> 00:20:02,546
Except me, because in my gut...
337
00:20:04,135 --> 00:20:07,026
...I think I knew that he died
that night.
338
00:20:11,696 --> 00:20:15,053
And the reason
I never said anything,
339
00:20:15,055 --> 00:20:19,333
that's because I did not want
anyone to know
340
00:20:19,335 --> 00:20:23,586
what a snivelling gutless coward
I was.
341
00:20:27,116 --> 00:20:28,346
Thank you.
342
00:20:35,556 --> 00:20:38,784
OK. So, we now know for sure
that they all got out.
343
00:20:38,786 --> 00:20:40,754
- And in pursuit of the victim.
- Exactly.
344
00:20:40,756 --> 00:20:42,504
Which means,
as far as I'm concerned,
345
00:20:42,506 --> 00:20:45,586
they're definitely
all in the frame now.
346
00:20:54,034 --> 00:20:56,671
So here is an allotment,
347
00:20:56,673 --> 00:21:00,982
and if we draw a line up
from where the car stopped...
348
00:21:00,984 --> 00:21:05,541
up here... up here...
349
00:21:05,543 --> 00:21:09,782
and ending somewhere
in the allotment,
350
00:21:09,784 --> 00:21:12,622
it fits very well with the various
witness statement sightings
351
00:21:12,624 --> 00:21:14,832
- at the chase.
- And if we can identify where exactly
352
00:21:14,834 --> 00:21:16,832
on the allotment this plant
might've grown,
353
00:21:16,834 --> 00:21:19,032
- we might find
his actual place of death. - Mm.
354
00:21:19,034 --> 00:21:20,262
I mean, my guess is...
355
00:21:20,264 --> 00:21:23,502
Look, it would had to have been
near the road to pull the car up to.
356
00:21:23,504 --> 00:21:25,541
Maybe we can even get
some boards up.
357
00:21:25,543 --> 00:21:28,262
- Might trigger some more memories.
- Yeah, absolutely.
358
00:21:28,264 --> 00:21:30,262
OK, very good. Thank you. Caz?
359
00:21:30,264 --> 00:21:32,902
The only concrete thing I have
is on Fiona Grayson.
360
00:21:32,904 --> 00:21:35,561
A 1993 dangerous driving conviction.
361
00:21:35,563 --> 00:21:37,361
- Trying to get the original files.
- OK.
362
00:21:37,363 --> 00:21:40,341
But nothing on Elizabeth Baildon
and nothing on...
363
00:21:40,343 --> 00:21:43,032
well, apart from his internal
disciplinary record,
364
00:21:43,034 --> 00:21:44,982
- on Ramjeet Sidhu.
- Which we're looking into.
365
00:21:44,984 --> 00:21:47,182
Yep. And Dean Barton,
no criminal record.
366
00:21:47,184 --> 00:21:50,182
Although I am having trouble
finding a couple of basic documents.
367
00:21:50,184 --> 00:21:51,902
I can't find his birth certificate
368
00:21:51,904 --> 00:21:54,591
and I can't find him on the census
pre '91. OK.
369
00:21:54,593 --> 00:21:57,032
And something else just to feed in
as background -
370
00:21:57,034 --> 00:22:01,062
all five of them had no guests
at their passing-out parade.
371
00:22:01,064 --> 00:22:04,182
No family, no friends. No nothing.
372
00:22:04,184 --> 00:22:07,112
Yeah. It's one to mull on, maybe.
373
00:22:07,114 --> 00:22:10,262
And definitely a picture
starting to emerge of Ram Sidhu
374
00:22:10,264 --> 00:22:12,671
being a person who pushed
the envelope, even back then.
375
00:22:12,673 --> 00:22:15,591
We know he was probably first
out the car,
376
00:22:15,593 --> 00:22:19,832
so was probably the most likely
to catch up with Matthew first,
377
00:22:19,834 --> 00:22:21,954
and then, this afternoon...
378
00:22:23,064 --> 00:22:24,671
Murray slightly struck gold.
379
00:22:24,673 --> 00:22:27,262
So, three weeks before
Matthew disappeared,
380
00:22:27,264 --> 00:22:30,982
we've got pretty good evidence
to suggest that in a pub in Hendon,
381
00:22:30,984 --> 00:22:33,671
he committed an ABH on Ram Sidhu.
382
00:22:33,673 --> 00:22:35,471
- No.
- The fight was over a girl.
383
00:22:35,473 --> 00:22:38,073
No names in the arrest sheet,
but we know our suspects were a gang
384
00:22:38,074 --> 00:22:41,461
so there's a fair chance they were
all drinking together that night
385
00:22:41,463 --> 00:22:43,981
and the girl was even Fiona Grayson
or Liz Baildon.
386
00:22:43,983 --> 00:22:46,620
For various reasons,
Walsh only got a caution
387
00:22:46,622 --> 00:22:51,290
and Murray's trying to track down
Susie Montgomery, the landlady.
388
00:22:51,292 --> 00:22:53,490
But I think, alongside opportunity,
389
00:22:53,492 --> 00:22:57,343
fairly reasonable now to suggest
we also have a possible motive.
390
00:22:58,733 --> 00:23:03,161
Albeit one that for whatever reason
seems to have escalated
391
00:23:03,163 --> 00:23:05,683
from a reciprocal slap
to something...
392
00:23:06,883 --> 00:23:10,320
...far more violent
and involving four other people.
393
00:23:10,322 --> 00:23:13,121
So, I think we pull Sidhu in now,
confront him with this
394
00:23:13,123 --> 00:23:15,683
and see what we get.
Thank you, guys.
395
00:23:29,683 --> 00:23:31,881
You don't think we should wait
till Murray finds out
396
00:23:31,883 --> 00:23:34,320
if Montgomery's still around?
I mean, if she can ID Sidhu
397
00:23:34,322 --> 00:23:36,371
- or any one of the women...
- What are the chances?
398
00:23:36,373 --> 00:23:39,400
I mean, I was drinking in The Ifield
just a few months later,
399
00:23:39,402 --> 00:23:41,931
and she was about 500 years old.
400
00:23:41,933 --> 00:23:45,933
So, no.
Let's get him in now, please.
401
00:23:47,652 --> 00:23:48,652
Sure.
402
00:24:21,013 --> 00:24:22,371
- Hiya.
- Hi.
403
00:24:22,373 --> 00:24:24,320
This is a nice surprise.
Were you up anyway...?
404
00:24:24,322 --> 00:24:26,011
No, no, here on a whim.
405
00:24:26,013 --> 00:24:28,801
I thought, if you had half an hour,
maybe we could just...
406
00:24:28,803 --> 00:24:31,091
Ah, love, no,
I haven't got half an hour.
407
00:24:31,093 --> 00:24:32,731
OK, ten minutes?
408
00:24:32,733 --> 00:24:34,522
How about five?
409
00:24:36,373 --> 00:24:39,601
I don't generally take lunch.
If you'd booked me last week or...
410
00:24:39,603 --> 00:24:41,963
- "Booked you"? Well, OK.
- Sorry, I don't mean that like...
411
00:24:41,964 --> 00:24:43,881
No, no, no, it doesn't matter,
it's fine.
412
00:24:43,883 --> 00:24:45,570
OK, I'll be quick, then.
413
00:24:45,572 --> 00:24:47,761
So, erm, I went into all
the agencies near mine,
414
00:24:47,763 --> 00:24:49,763
got a list of all the properties
within our range -
415
00:24:49,764 --> 00:24:51,681
that way we can get an idea
of what we're after,
416
00:24:51,683 --> 00:24:55,121
so, why don't you take a look
and we can discuss later?
417
00:24:55,123 --> 00:24:56,931
Ah...
418
00:24:56,933 --> 00:25:01,371
Oh, perfect.
Thank you so much for doing that.
419
00:25:01,373 --> 00:25:03,211
Yeah, yeah, no problem.
420
00:25:03,213 --> 00:25:05,400
So have you spoken to your dad
again?
421
00:25:05,402 --> 00:25:07,851
Er, not since Eddie took him out,
no.
422
00:25:07,853 --> 00:25:10,491
- I spoke to a lawyer, though.
- A lawyer?
423
00:25:10,493 --> 00:25:12,603
Yeah.
Only from work, mate of a mate.
424
00:25:14,213 --> 00:25:16,600
I just wanted the
top line on our rights.
425
00:25:16,601 --> 00:25:17,601
Cass...
426
00:25:18,572 --> 00:25:20,761
I mean, listen,
it's your life, but...
427
00:25:20,763 --> 00:25:22,601
I don't think a lawyer
is the way to go.
428
00:25:22,603 --> 00:25:24,163
Yeah, I know, I know, I just...
429
00:25:27,402 --> 00:25:30,881
Oh, f... fuck,
I can't lose this anger, John.
430
00:25:30,883 --> 00:25:32,243
I wish I could, but...
431
00:25:33,522 --> 00:25:37,731
On top of everything else,
that woman, she's just... she...
432
00:25:37,733 --> 00:25:40,490
Yeah, I know. I get that.
I do, but...
433
00:25:40,492 --> 00:25:43,701
Please don't tell either of them
you've spoken to a lawyer,
434
00:25:43,703 --> 00:25:45,823
- because that'll just...
- Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know.
435
00:25:48,372 --> 00:25:49,823
Ah, I've got to go.
436
00:25:51,013 --> 00:25:55,370
I'll look at these later.
And, erm... it's a nice idea.
437
00:25:55,372 --> 00:25:56,931
And next week,
hopefully I'll be freer,
438
00:25:56,933 --> 00:25:58,261
and then let's do it properly.
439
00:25:58,263 --> 00:26:00,651
- Yeah, I'll book you in (!)
- Ha. Piss off.
440
00:26:08,053 --> 00:26:09,213
Hey.
441
00:26:15,292 --> 00:26:18,290
Been trying to get hold of you.
Claire had no idea where you were.
442
00:26:18,292 --> 00:26:19,821
Well, I was at the meeting, why?
443
00:26:19,823 --> 00:26:23,181
- Jack's temperature's gone up to 101.
- Oh, no.
444
00:26:23,183 --> 00:26:25,901
- Do you think it's another infection?
- I dunno.
445
00:26:25,903 --> 00:26:29,540
But his chest sounds dreadful,
so... so I've called the GP.
446
00:26:29,542 --> 00:26:31,903
All right, I'll...
I'll go and see him.
447
00:26:33,622 --> 00:26:36,183
You never told me the police
had interviewed you.
448
00:26:42,903 --> 00:26:45,181
Yeah, Claire made some joke
about you being banged up
449
00:26:45,183 --> 00:26:47,343
when I asked her where you were.
450
00:26:48,703 --> 00:26:51,341
Apparently, a detective came
to the office the other day?
451
00:26:51,343 --> 00:26:53,053
Yeah, I didn't wanna worry you.
452
00:26:54,103 --> 00:26:55,183
What was it about?
453
00:27:00,183 --> 00:27:01,372
Not that.
454
00:27:02,573 --> 00:27:04,343
- No?
- No.
455
00:27:05,933 --> 00:27:09,133
There's nothing that's ever gonna be
able to connect us to that now.
456
00:27:11,573 --> 00:27:13,183
Promise.
457
00:27:15,292 --> 00:27:18,931
- So what was it about?
- Oh, just some weird...
458
00:27:18,933 --> 00:27:21,931
historical case,
some 30-year-old murder.
459
00:27:21,933 --> 00:27:24,181
They thought I might've known
one of the suspects.
460
00:27:24,183 --> 00:27:26,461
Jesus. Did you?
461
00:27:26,463 --> 00:27:27,731
No, of course not.
462
00:27:27,733 --> 00:27:31,183
The interview lasted five minutes,
it's fine.
463
00:27:32,292 --> 00:27:34,013
I'm gonna go up and see the lad.
464
00:27:44,903 --> 00:27:46,981
30th March 1990.
465
00:27:46,983 --> 00:27:49,023
The day of your passing-out parade.
You remember it?
466
00:27:49,024 --> 00:27:50,131
Of course.
467
00:27:50,133 --> 00:27:52,292
- Good day?
- Lovely.
468
00:27:53,463 --> 00:27:56,101
- Proud of your achievement?
- Very.
469
00:27:56,103 --> 00:27:59,370
So why no family there?
To share your day with you.
470
00:28:01,103 --> 00:28:04,461
Er, because I was supposed to be
a doctor or a lawyer or...
471
00:28:04,463 --> 00:28:06,620
go into the family business,
apparently.
472
00:28:06,622 --> 00:28:07,931
And how did that make you feel,
473
00:28:07,933 --> 00:28:10,211
that no-one came to celebrate
with you?
474
00:28:10,213 --> 00:28:14,620
Sad, but I knew they'd come round,
which they did, I think.
475
00:28:14,622 --> 00:28:16,133
They're very proud of me now.
476
00:28:17,773 --> 00:28:21,341
- You went to a party that night.
- Yeah.
477
00:28:21,343 --> 00:28:24,307
Erm,
do you remember who you went with?
478
00:28:24,308 --> 00:28:25,131
No.
479
00:28:25,133 --> 00:28:29,620
- Or what time you left?
- 30 years later? No, sorry.
480
00:28:29,622 --> 00:28:32,103
OK. Erm, do you remember
who you left with?
481
00:28:33,183 --> 00:28:36,771
- A couple of them, yeah.
- OK, who was that?
482
00:28:36,773 --> 00:28:40,542
- Rob and Liz - Fogerty and Baildon.
- OK.
483
00:28:42,983 --> 00:28:44,540
Well, completely understandably,
484
00:28:44,542 --> 00:28:48,101
you couldn't remember
who you went with, but, er...
485
00:28:48,103 --> 00:28:49,771
quickly remembered
who you left with.
486
00:28:49,773 --> 00:28:52,821
Is there a reason that those names
have stuck in your mind?
487
00:28:52,823 --> 00:28:55,211
Because of something that happened
that night.
488
00:28:55,213 --> 00:28:57,181
What was that?
489
00:28:57,183 --> 00:28:59,051
Er, so...
490
00:28:59,053 --> 00:29:03,261
Rob, who was our designated driver,
491
00:29:03,263 --> 00:29:04,651
unbeknownst to any of us,
492
00:29:04,653 --> 00:29:07,101
had actually had a few drinks
that night.
493
00:29:07,103 --> 00:29:09,461
Dumb luck on the way back into town,
he got pulled over
494
00:29:09,463 --> 00:29:11,290
by the traffic cop,
he was breathalysed,
495
00:29:11,292 --> 00:29:14,013
was over the limit and...
he was nicked.
496
00:29:15,133 --> 00:29:16,981
Ended his career
before it even started.
497
00:29:16,983 --> 00:29:18,651
So he got nicked, he got taken away,
498
00:29:18,653 --> 00:29:20,824
how did you then
get home after that?
499
00:29:20,825 --> 00:29:22,115
I think...
500
00:29:23,013 --> 00:29:25,492
...Lizzie was allowed to drive
Rob's car, I think...
501
00:29:26,903 --> 00:29:29,331
...she dropped us off in town first
502
00:29:29,333 --> 00:29:31,821
and then dropped Rob's car
at his house.
503
00:29:31,823 --> 00:29:35,011
And, erm...
you still see Liz Baildon?
504
00:29:35,013 --> 00:29:37,651
No. I mean, at the odd police event,
but no more than that.
505
00:29:37,653 --> 00:29:40,384
Have you discussed this
with her over the past few days?
506
00:29:40,385 --> 00:29:41,435
No.
507
00:29:42,622 --> 00:29:47,013
OK. Because your recollections
are... pretty much identical.
508
00:29:48,292 --> 00:29:51,331
Mm, yeah. It's what happened, so...
509
00:29:51,333 --> 00:29:53,620
And you don't remember
any of the people in the car?
510
00:29:53,622 --> 00:29:55,211
No.
511
00:29:55,213 --> 00:29:57,933
Dean Barton? Fiona Grayson?
512
00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:00,903
Mm... I'm sorry.
513
00:30:02,103 --> 00:30:04,490
And when the car was stopped
by the police officer,
514
00:30:04,492 --> 00:30:07,901
was that the first time that journey
that it had stopped?
515
00:30:07,903 --> 00:30:10,013
- Yeah.
- OK.
516
00:30:12,542 --> 00:30:15,691
So, I'm gonna show you
a photo of a man now.
517
00:30:15,693 --> 00:30:19,981
The victim in this investigation,
in fact. Name of Matthew Walsh.
518
00:30:19,983 --> 00:30:22,651
And I'd just like to know
if his face
519
00:30:22,653 --> 00:30:24,103
is in any way familiar to you.
520
00:30:28,213 --> 00:30:29,213
No.
521
00:30:31,013 --> 00:30:32,292
Well, have a good look.
522
00:30:35,983 --> 00:30:37,103
No.
523
00:30:38,263 --> 00:30:40,211
OK.
524
00:30:40,213 --> 00:30:44,131
I ask because we have a witness
who says he saw a car
525
00:30:44,133 --> 00:30:47,461
with five people in it,
one unusually tall man,
526
00:30:47,463 --> 00:30:50,691
two women and an Asian man
pull up near a patch of ground
527
00:30:50,693 --> 00:30:52,540
called Napley Green.
528
00:30:52,542 --> 00:30:54,410
Now, this is about a mile before
529
00:30:54,412 --> 00:30:57,131
where you were pulled over
by the traffic cop.
530
00:30:57,133 --> 00:30:59,490
And the witness says
that one of the men,
531
00:30:59,492 --> 00:31:03,791
that matches your description,
got out, calling, "Oi, Walshy boy!"
532
00:31:03,793 --> 00:31:06,921
- And then chased after the victim.
- Ss...
533
00:31:06,923 --> 00:31:08,711
So, is your witness white?
534
00:31:08,713 --> 00:31:10,310
What does that have to do
with anything?
535
00:31:10,312 --> 00:31:12,671
OK, I'm not being funny or anything,
but to them,
536
00:31:12,673 --> 00:31:14,071
we do all slightly look the same.
537
00:31:14,073 --> 00:31:16,591
So you don't recognise this event?
538
00:31:16,593 --> 00:31:20,281
You don't recognise the name,
Matthew Walsh, or indeed his face?
539
00:31:20,283 --> 00:31:21,991
In fact, none of this
rings any bells?
540
00:31:21,993 --> 00:31:23,512
- No, I'm sorry.
- OK.
541
00:31:24,642 --> 00:31:28,201
So, I think that you know
perfectly well who Matthew Walsh is,
542
00:31:28,203 --> 00:31:29,281
and I think you know him
543
00:31:29,283 --> 00:31:31,481
because only three weeks
before this incident,
544
00:31:31,483 --> 00:31:33,523
I think you had
a racially instigated fight with him
545
00:31:33,524 --> 00:31:36,481
in a pub in Hendon. What evidence
have you got for this allegation?
546
00:31:36,483 --> 00:31:38,871
- This was in The Ifield.
- Yeah. What evidence?
547
00:31:38,873 --> 00:31:40,711
Did you used to drink in there?
548
00:31:40,713 --> 00:31:43,673
Listen...
549
00:31:44,873 --> 00:31:48,671
...I don't know where you're
coming from with all this, but...
550
00:31:48,673 --> 00:31:50,711
I'll give you the benefit
of the doubt
551
00:31:50,713 --> 00:31:53,281
and assume it's not from
the same place as 90% of the crap
552
00:31:53,283 --> 00:31:55,483
I have to deal with comes from...
but...
553
00:31:58,673 --> 00:31:59,953
...you have nothing here.
554
00:32:01,033 --> 00:32:05,121
I mean, a witness comes out of the
woodwork 30 years after the event
555
00:32:05,123 --> 00:32:07,310
and says he saw an Asian guy
get out of a car,
556
00:32:07,312 --> 00:32:09,560
and then a random Paki in a pub?
557
00:32:09,562 --> 00:32:11,033
Are you serious?
558
00:32:14,673 --> 00:32:16,993
Sorry, guys,
but I think we're done here.
559
00:32:28,673 --> 00:32:29,991
Don't, just...
560
00:32:29,993 --> 00:32:32,430
I just think we need
to slow down, boss.
561
00:32:32,432 --> 00:32:34,312
I just want it over.
562
00:32:35,673 --> 00:32:37,123
I shouldn't even be here.
563
00:32:55,873 --> 00:32:59,281
So I heard her, the other day.
564
00:32:59,283 --> 00:33:01,673
The police officer with you.
565
00:33:02,923 --> 00:33:04,432
- I'm sorry?
- Me too.
566
00:33:05,632 --> 00:33:07,512
That I have to resort to this.
567
00:33:09,123 --> 00:33:10,993
You should've been better,
Elizabeth.
568
00:33:13,233 --> 00:33:15,073
I'm sorry, Eugenia.
569
00:33:16,673 --> 00:33:19,711
I have no idea
what you're talking about.
570
00:33:19,713 --> 00:33:22,991
I'm not a greedy person.
I don't want luxuries.
571
00:33:22,993 --> 00:33:26,481
But I do want to be able
to heat our flat,
572
00:33:26,483 --> 00:33:30,031
to feed my child properly,
and once in a while,
573
00:33:30,033 --> 00:33:33,793
very rarely,
buy her a pretty dress from Primark.
574
00:33:35,283 --> 00:33:38,921
So, really, not a lot.
And a fraction of what you have.
575
00:33:38,923 --> 00:33:41,310
But still, apparently,
too much for you.
576
00:33:41,312 --> 00:33:44,673
- No, I didn't say that.
- £287.
577
00:33:45,762 --> 00:33:49,713
My overdue gas bill.
And £9 an hour.
578
00:33:52,153 --> 00:33:55,401
That's what I'm blackmailing you
for.
579
00:33:55,403 --> 00:33:57,351
Which sounds pathetic.
580
00:33:57,353 --> 00:33:58,632
Even to me.
581
00:33:59,713 --> 00:34:02,271
But if you don't give me this,
I will tell the police
582
00:34:02,273 --> 00:34:03,593
what your mother told me.
583
00:34:05,273 --> 00:34:06,843
Which I don't think you want.
584
00:34:08,993 --> 00:34:10,023
So...
585
00:34:11,203 --> 00:34:13,630
...have a think and then maybe...
586
00:34:13,632 --> 00:34:17,403
No, I don't have to have a think.
You can have it.
587
00:34:34,762 --> 00:34:35,953
Hey!
588
00:34:43,762 --> 00:34:45,630
I just had a call from my brother.
589
00:34:45,632 --> 00:34:48,591
He said he could not,
in all conscience,
590
00:34:48,593 --> 00:34:51,351
keep what you told him from me.
591
00:34:51,353 --> 00:34:56,231
And so, I was just wondering...
if you had a conscience.
592
00:34:56,233 --> 00:34:59,871
I was just wondering if you felt
you could maybe give your partner
593
00:34:59,873 --> 00:35:02,483
a bit of a heads up
as to what the fuck was going on.
594
00:35:17,432 --> 00:35:19,713
27 years ago...
595
00:35:23,913 --> 00:35:25,233
...I killed a child.
596
00:35:29,827 --> 00:35:34,188
They said I was speeding.
Doing 42 in a 30-mile area.
597
00:35:35,418 --> 00:35:38,138
And I lost control
going round a corner.
598
00:35:39,628 --> 00:35:42,218
I actually think she was
on the wrong side of the road.
599
00:35:43,697 --> 00:35:46,577
Either way... we collided.
600
00:35:47,728 --> 00:35:50,216
And there was a toddler in the back.
601
00:35:50,218 --> 00:35:51,498
In a car seat.
602
00:35:52,657 --> 00:35:54,298
It wasn't properly fastened.
603
00:35:55,938 --> 00:35:57,088
And he died.
604
00:35:58,657 --> 00:35:59,858
The little boy.
605
00:36:01,188 --> 00:36:06,018
And I received a conviction
for death by dangerous driving.
606
00:36:09,378 --> 00:36:13,575
How... how could you never
have told me this?
607
00:36:13,577 --> 00:36:16,058
I know, I'm so, so, so sorry.
608
00:36:18,978 --> 00:36:22,298
- Was it your fault?
- I don't think so.
609
00:36:24,298 --> 00:36:26,498
But I'm not sure
I'll ever really know.
610
00:36:29,418 --> 00:36:31,548
I'm just stunned, Fi, that you...
611
00:36:32,728 --> 00:36:38,336
...felt you could keep something
so significant from me for 17 years,
612
00:36:38,338 --> 00:36:40,266
how do you do that?
613
00:36:40,268 --> 00:36:43,188
How do you do that and stay sane?
I mean...
614
00:36:45,777 --> 00:36:47,697
...is there anything else
you need to tell me?
615
00:36:50,188 --> 00:36:51,907
No. That's it.
616
00:36:58,088 --> 00:37:01,498
If we lose our deposit...
I swear, Fiona...
617
00:37:09,468 --> 00:37:12,086
I mean, what do people want
the police to be?
618
00:37:12,088 --> 00:37:13,548
Mm?
619
00:37:14,548 --> 00:37:16,726
Do they want us to be like them,
620
00:37:16,728 --> 00:37:19,936
just normal human beings
who will screw up,
621
00:37:19,938 --> 00:37:23,186
who will make mistakes?
We all accept that.
622
00:37:23,188 --> 00:37:26,466
We all say sorry and move on,
and that's the deal.
623
00:37:28,018 --> 00:37:30,575
Or do they want to believe
that we're not the same,
624
00:37:30,577 --> 00:37:33,825
that we've got some kind
of special powers that they don't?
625
00:37:33,827 --> 00:37:36,468
Cos, you know, that makes them
feel safer in their beds.
626
00:37:39,577 --> 00:37:41,058
What do they want?
627
00:37:42,368 --> 00:37:45,366
Cos it's got to be one or the other.
It can't be both.
628
00:37:45,368 --> 00:37:47,546
Mate, I can't even work
the Apple remote, so...
629
00:37:58,657 --> 00:38:00,018
Hey, what's the matter?
630
00:38:01,548 --> 00:38:02,697
Hey, hey, hey.
631
00:38:05,498 --> 00:38:06,728
What's wrong, babe?
632
00:38:08,268 --> 00:38:09,907
Do you ever get angry, Dean?
633
00:38:11,577 --> 00:38:13,777
- At Jack.
- At Jack?
634
00:38:15,978 --> 00:38:18,938
Yeah, and I don't just mean
for being naughty, I mean for...
635
00:38:21,108 --> 00:38:22,468
...for being him.
636
00:38:24,498 --> 00:38:26,498
Erm, no. No.
637
00:38:30,418 --> 00:38:31,618
I do.
638
00:38:32,978 --> 00:38:35,188
Sometimes, not often, like...
639
00:38:37,058 --> 00:38:40,827
...half a dozen times
in his entire life, maybe I, erm...
640
00:38:44,827 --> 00:38:46,008
I blame him.
641
00:38:47,827 --> 00:38:50,858
I blame HIM, not his disability.
642
00:38:55,978 --> 00:38:58,726
For what I tell myself
he's stolen from us.
643
00:38:58,728 --> 00:39:01,138
From you, from me.
644
00:39:01,773 --> 00:39:03,506
- From Cass.
- Marn...
645
00:39:03,507 --> 00:39:05,138
And I am telling you this, Dean...
646
00:39:07,907 --> 00:39:11,056
...because I want you to know
that I am not who you think I am.
647
00:39:11,058 --> 00:39:15,006
That part of me
is just an awful person.
648
00:39:15,008 --> 00:39:19,256
But an awful person who,
well, at least, I hope,
649
00:39:19,258 --> 00:39:22,546
despite what I have just told you,
you still love.
650
00:39:22,548 --> 00:39:24,136
Of course.
651
00:39:24,138 --> 00:39:28,695
So, surely, surely,
that means you can tell me stuff.
652
00:39:28,697 --> 00:39:30,138
About your past.
653
00:39:32,468 --> 00:39:34,728
And about your family -
whoever they are.
654
00:39:37,218 --> 00:39:40,338
Things that maybe you think
will make me...
655
00:39:41,498 --> 00:39:46,258
...hate you or fear you or whatever,
I dunno, because it just won't.
656
00:39:49,058 --> 00:39:52,546
But what is killing me
is the secrets.
657
00:39:52,548 --> 00:39:55,138
The years of secrets.
658
00:39:56,368 --> 00:40:01,577
Of writing a Mother's Day card
to a mother you told me had died.
659
00:40:03,008 --> 00:40:04,616
Going to Calais
when we were supposed
660
00:40:04,618 --> 00:40:06,336
to have given up all that crap
years ago.
661
00:40:06,338 --> 00:40:09,895
Lying about where you are today,
I can't take it anymore.
662
00:40:09,897 --> 00:40:12,416
I just can't take the secrets
and lies,
663
00:40:12,418 --> 00:40:15,056
not when we've got so much else
to deal with.
664
00:40:15,058 --> 00:40:17,697
So, please... just talk to me, Dean.
665
00:40:19,748 --> 00:40:22,766
- You're tired, Marn. I am too.
- No, Dean.
666
00:40:22,768 --> 00:40:25,726
We will do this... but not now.
667
00:40:26,212 --> 00:40:27,272
Please.
668
00:40:27,274 --> 00:40:29,320
- Dean.
- Please.
669
00:40:33,258 --> 00:40:36,108
- He's just down there at the end.
- OK. Cheers, mate.
670
00:40:51,897 --> 00:40:53,466
So, those are the original files
671
00:40:53,468 --> 00:40:56,645
connected to Fiona Grayson's
driving conviction in '93.
672
00:40:56,647 --> 00:41:00,256
And it turns out that a child died
during this incident
673
00:41:00,258 --> 00:41:02,496
- in the car that she collided with.
- Wow.
674
00:41:02,498 --> 00:41:05,336
One of the officers attending
smelt alcohol on Fiona's breath,
675
00:41:05,338 --> 00:41:07,645
and so obviously tried to give her
a test at the time,
676
00:41:07,647 --> 00:41:09,856
but she was so upset,
crying hysterically,
677
00:41:09,858 --> 00:41:12,186
that they were unable
to successfully give her one
678
00:41:12,188 --> 00:41:14,746
at the scene, so she was arrested
and taken to the local nick
679
00:41:14,748 --> 00:41:16,727
where a blood test
was taken there instead.
680
00:41:16,728 --> 00:41:17,336
And?
681
00:41:17,338 --> 00:41:21,216
It was lost. Lost?
Lost where, the lab or the nick?
682
00:41:21,218 --> 00:41:23,056
The nick.
Before it got sent to the lab.
683
00:41:23,058 --> 00:41:24,336
Which nick was this?
684
00:41:24,338 --> 00:41:26,695
Kingston. Are you heading
where I think you're heading?
685
00:41:26,697 --> 00:41:29,775
So I checked where both Ram Sidhu
and Liz Baildon worked at the time.
686
00:41:29,777 --> 00:41:34,056
And? Baildon worked
at Kingston nick from '91 to '94.
687
00:41:34,058 --> 00:41:35,269
Oh, man.
688
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:38,775
Yep. And in the '91 census,
it details Liz and Fiona
689
00:41:38,777 --> 00:41:41,416
as living at the same address
in Thames Ditton,
690
00:41:41,418 --> 00:41:43,595
about a mile or so
from Kingston town centre.
691
00:41:43,597 --> 00:41:44,915
But at the time of this offence,
692
00:41:44,917 --> 00:41:48,136
they're living at separate addresses
but both are still in the same area.
693
00:41:48,138 --> 00:41:50,746
If that blood test
had come back positive,
694
00:41:50,748 --> 00:41:53,416
- Fiona Grayson would be in jail.
- Definitely.
695
00:41:53,418 --> 00:41:55,746
OK, so there are three explanations
here.
696
00:41:55,748 --> 00:41:57,858
One, this was just a coincidence.
697
00:41:59,498 --> 00:42:02,895
Two, they were an item
and she contrived
698
00:42:02,897 --> 00:42:06,825
to have the blood sample lost
for personal reasons.
699
00:42:06,827 --> 00:42:08,288
And then, three...
700
00:42:09,748 --> 00:42:11,138
...they weren't an item...
701
00:42:12,498 --> 00:42:14,136
...but Liz Baildon was blackmailed.
702
00:42:14,138 --> 00:42:17,056
Fiona Grayson using whatever
the fuck happened with Matthew Walsh
703
00:42:17,058 --> 00:42:19,858
as some kind of... leverage.
704
00:42:21,468 --> 00:42:23,645
- I know what my money's on.
- Mm.
705
00:42:27,858 --> 00:42:28,936
Leanne.
706
00:42:28,938 --> 00:42:31,645
Hey. Cass. Any chance
you could pop in for five minutes
707
00:42:31,647 --> 00:42:32,858
when you have a chance?
708
00:42:35,008 --> 00:42:36,218
What can I say?
709
00:42:37,618 --> 00:42:42,748
Just now, we found out, just now,
this actually happened.
710
00:42:46,448 --> 00:42:48,042
I feel differently.
711
00:42:48,043 --> 00:42:50,058
- Oh, Jesus, Ram.
- I know.
712
00:42:51,258 --> 00:42:53,216
I'm sorry, but...
713
00:42:53,218 --> 00:42:56,746
I've just spent the last seven days
slightly killing myself mentally
714
00:42:56,748 --> 00:42:58,138
to get to where you were.
715
00:43:00,108 --> 00:43:02,136
Trying somehow to find a way
of thinking
716
00:43:02,138 --> 00:43:04,577
that we didn't have
to do this thing.
717
00:43:06,777 --> 00:43:07,948
This brutal...
718
00:43:09,198 --> 00:43:11,288
...really horrible thing.
719
00:43:13,827 --> 00:43:15,976
- You just changed your mind.
- No.
720
00:43:15,978 --> 00:43:19,288
I... I just, erm...
721
00:43:22,978 --> 00:43:27,006
What if something happened to me?
What if I got ill or...
722
00:43:27,008 --> 00:43:30,976
I don't know, anything, that meant
you had to do it all on your own?
723
00:43:30,978 --> 00:43:34,575
You know, I just started to think
how difficult that would be for you.
724
00:43:34,577 --> 00:43:37,216
I mean, I'm not definitely saying
we do go for termination,
725
00:43:37,218 --> 00:43:40,178
I'm not saying that yet,
I'm just saying... can we...?
726
00:43:41,468 --> 00:43:44,618
We can keep thinking...
for a bit longer.
727
00:43:52,538 --> 00:43:53,538
OK.
728
00:43:55,338 --> 00:43:57,695
OK, am I seeing
what I think I'm seeing?
729
00:43:57,697 --> 00:44:04,176
So, I'm seeing a sharp-ended object
approximately ten centimetres long,
730
00:44:04,178 --> 00:44:08,536
maybe three quarters of a centimetre
wide inside the skull cavity.
731
00:44:08,538 --> 00:44:10,746
- And what do we think that is?
- No idea.
732
00:44:10,748 --> 00:44:13,825
- I need to open the skull up now.
- It got in pre or postmortem?
733
00:44:13,827 --> 00:44:16,136
Again, I don't know
until I open it up.
734
00:44:16,138 --> 00:44:19,176
But best guess? From its position,
you would logically assume
735
00:44:19,178 --> 00:44:21,336
it entered through
the temporal bone fracture,
736
00:44:21,338 --> 00:44:23,106
which, when I examined it properly,
737
00:44:23,108 --> 00:44:26,695
actually contained remnants
of brick dust, so...
738
00:44:26,697 --> 00:44:28,216
two theories,
739
00:44:28,218 --> 00:44:31,316
firstly, he was being chased
and at some point,
740
00:44:31,318 --> 00:44:34,646
he tripped and fell,
hitting his head on a wall,
741
00:44:34,648 --> 00:44:37,226
which maybe had a metal spike
of some sort,
742
00:44:37,228 --> 00:44:40,426
an old bolt from some railings
or whatever,
743
00:44:40,428 --> 00:44:43,986
and this is what killed him,
breaking off inside the skull.
744
00:44:43,988 --> 00:44:45,785
Or...
745
00:44:45,787 --> 00:44:47,986
he tripped and fell,
hitting his head,
746
00:44:47,988 --> 00:44:51,116
which rendered him unconscious
and, whilst unconscious,
747
00:44:51,118 --> 00:44:55,116
he was basically stabbed through
the head wound with this object.
748
00:44:55,118 --> 00:44:57,936
- Jeez.
- Yeah. So...
749
00:44:57,938 --> 00:45:03,348
first theory, the chase that went
tragically, but accidentally, wrong.
750
00:45:06,018 --> 00:45:10,268
Second theory...
this was no accident.
751
00:45:11,787 --> 00:45:16,068
This was a very violent
and very deliberate...
752
00:45:17,398 --> 00:45:19,508
- ...murder.
- Correct.
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