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more than 20 million Americans say they
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have seen an unidentified flying object
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yet the subject of UFOs is generally
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scorned by science journalism and the
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government and Eyewitness News
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investigation into the topic that was
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broadcast last November has drawn
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worldwide attention and not all of that
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attention has been positive tonight
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George Knapp picks up where our previous
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series left off the new series is called
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UFOs the best evidence question mark
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Gary and Mary Ruth we've added the
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question mark for a good reason there
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are many unanswered questions about UFOs
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and about some of the people who claim
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to have knowledge about the topic
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questions about credibility and motives
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will be taking a hard look at some of
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those questions this week and beyond one
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thing we found is that despite some
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sniping from other media and the
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scoffing of government officials people
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want to know about UFOs even some very
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prominent people here because I know 15
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years ago if you would have said
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something especially with the guys I
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hang around they were gone right you
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know and when he going to Sparks Kent
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Orem is a hard-boiled semi cynical
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public relations man currently running
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the election campaign of Nevada Governor
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Bob Miller a few years ago Orem says he
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and his wife saw something strange in
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the night sky over Mel Charleston and we
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looked at it for about two and a half
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minutes in an ever budge and at the time
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I made a joke to my wife you know I mean
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if you were under the Starship
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Enterprise you know that's sort of what
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it might look like and it was I would
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say it was gigantic and it was more of a
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square shape but it was a lot of lights
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and so I had a pair of binoculars in the
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back of my RAM charger so I went to get
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them we finally found him and that we
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looked up in the sky and it was gone I
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mean just flat going it depends on who
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I'm talking to about apprehension you
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know they kind of raise an eyebrow
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etchant you know Chuck Woodworth is a 20
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year veteran of the metro police
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department a trained observer who grew
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up in the shadow of the Nevada Test Site
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he had four friends saw their UFO in the
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desert north of Pioche all we saw was
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the LA I want to tell you it's the most
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intense light I've ever seen and I've
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been under some around some pretty heavy
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lights I've if you stood under the
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police helicopter at night when they're
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lighting up an area and they come right
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down I really saturated with light
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those would be very very dim to the
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lights we saw from this just I would
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judge his distance that we observed him
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to be at least 20 miles 15 to 20 miles
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from us and they were intense either
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Woodworth nor Orem can identify what
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they saw but both believe recent
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publicity about UFOs has made it easier
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to openly discuss the subject they're
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still those who have reservations though
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two of Southern Nevada's best-known
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elected officials say they've seen UFOs
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but neither was willing to admit it on
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television
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a veteran Las Vegas attorney sent us
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this letter saying he once had access to
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a top-secret military briefing book that
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included dozens of official photographs
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of alien beings an alien spacecraft the
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attorney did not want his name used most
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people believe that that UFOs are
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physically real rather than imaginary
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that's what the polls say but the same
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different poll also shows that those
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same people believe that other people
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don't believe that UFOs are physically
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real no one can say just how many UFOs
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are sighted each year primarily because
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it's difficult to report a sighting
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metro police won't take UFO reports at
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all and offer no advice on where to send
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them the FAA and macaron tower also say
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they're not interested and if you call
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Nellis Air Force Base as Ruth Ruiz did
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this is the response you'll get and he
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told me that they're not interested
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anymore in the UFOs because now we know
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whoever it is or whatever it is it's not
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a threat to us our national security now
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that's what he told me
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Nellis will give you the number of a
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private UFO hotline located in Seattle
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what's more both Nellis and McCarran
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spokesmen say they have no memory of
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even a single UFO sighting over their
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facilities a claim that is flatly
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contradicted by informed sources at both
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locations some UFO sightings are
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reported to the planetarium where
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astronomers can usually come up with a
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logical explanation Venus when it first
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Hill a few months ago and Venus first
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appeared in our evening sky you know for
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this time around you know we got a
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number of calls what's that bright
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object in this in the sky we'll be
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getting calls on Jupiter pretty soon
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because it's now rising about midnight
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in the east yeah we get those calls
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mainly it's just curiosity you know they
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see something strange they hadn't
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noticed before
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or even diehard UFO believers admit that
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90% of all UFO sightings are explainable
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but it's the other 10% that are of
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interest
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one good unidentifiable flying object
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whose characteristics and appearance
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indicate we're dealing with a vehicle
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whose behavior says it wasn't made here
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is worth 50 cases that you can explain
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just as most drugs don't cure diseases
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if you're sick with something you want
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the one that does don't tell me about
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the ones that don't so the focus with
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flying saucers has to be on the evidence
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the best evidence from all over the
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world using UFOs and evidence in the
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same sentence is a sore spot with some
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media outlets the Las Vegas
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review-journal has taken a dim view of
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UFO reports colonists have cleverly
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compared the UFO topic to the search for
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Elvis media critics say it's nothing but
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a ratings ploy when an international UFO
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convention was held in Las Vegas the
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lone story done by the RJ was a profile
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of UFO debunker Phil class with a
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headline suggesting it was class who
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knew the truth about flying saucers
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later though the papers succumb to UFO
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fever with a front-page story in its
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sunday supplement about UFO sightings in
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Nelson Nevada their word seems to be you
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know snicker snicker and and make fun of
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it but you know it's just this attitude
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that the journalists have got if they
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didn't know about it before it couldn't
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possibly be true I mean they've been
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sitting on this story now for about two
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years when I first started out and there
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hasn't been one of them that has done
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any useful research at all anyone who
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takes but one hour to review some of the
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available evidence cannot come away
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without the firm conviction that there
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is something out there not all media
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have shunned UFOs radio talk-show host
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Billy Goodman for months devoted most of
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his program to the topic but Goodman's
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show was canceled by station management
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his listeners suspect it's part of a
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government plot station executives say
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while the show was popular with
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listeners it wasn't popular with
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advertisers they canceled Goodman they
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say as part of a
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format change to news and sports
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programming much of Goodman's
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multi-state audience is now listening to
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Florida based talk host Chuck harder
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who's for the people network is heard on
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80 stations coast-to-coast
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and frequently focuses on UFO
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developments in Southern Nevada
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predictably UFOs remain a staple of the
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tabloids which seemed to be getting even
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further out than before Nazi astronauts
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returned to earth in surprisingly good
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health
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according to NASA sources space aliens
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stealing our frogs they must be stopped
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before it's too late
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remember the psychic who invited aliens
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to land at a Monday night football game
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they never showed up
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not because the Eagles Bears matchup
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wasn't appealing but because the
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Goodyear blimp scared them away one
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weekly tabloid featured a story about
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Bob Lazar the young scientist who says
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he worked at s for a secret Nevada
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military base where the government is
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allegedly tinkering with flying saucers
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of alien origin the article included
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hyped up non quotes and artists versions
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of s4 Lazar has also been featured in
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UFO magazines this article demanded that
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he open up his life for scrutiny by
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skeptical UFO buffs other UFO magazines
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aren't much different from tabloids this
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one Awards $10 a month to the person who
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can rig up the best phony UFO photo
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lazarre's story has even made it into
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Car and Driver magazine a recent article
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highlighted a Nevadan named Bob who had
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built a stealth Corvette for the
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extensible purpose of penetrating groom
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Lake to capture video of the flying
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saucers lazarre's story also caught the
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attention of at least one television
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network Nippon television of Japan which
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sent a crew to Nevada to produce a
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special about Lazar and area s4 oh you
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know what he seemed to be quite an
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interesting guy you know he knew what he
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was saying it's not another fruitcake
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you know we just came out and so wanted
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to tell all the story so we did some
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backup check and there seems to be some
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truth Lee and his crew have produced 17
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one hour programs about UFOs for
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national broadcast in Japan he says he
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can't understand why American networks
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avoid the topic for the report on the
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Tzar Nippon set aside two full hours on
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a Saturday night I don't know about here
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but in Japan too
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special and Saturday evening from 7:00
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to 9:00 it's you know it's a hell of a
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you know spot there there are more than
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a few people who consider the public
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fascination with UFOs to be downright
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dangerous
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aviation writer Phil class says the
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belief in alien beings and a government
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cover-up is quote potentially as
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dangerous as Jonestown that's the jungle
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settlement where dozens of people
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willingly committed suicide a study by
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two psychologists concluded that persons
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obsessed with UFOs especially
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cigar-shaped flying saucers or rounded
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discs are victims of a familiar Freudian
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syndrome if an interest in UFOs is a
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sign of mental aberration then count the
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US government as being among the
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disturbed Bob Lazar of course can recite
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a litany of strange things he says have
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happened to him tapped phones break-ins
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threats but even if you don't buy his
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story there are others who can attest to
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a government interest in UFO adherents
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Terry Tavern Eddie is the former police
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officer who performed polygraph tests on
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Lazar tavern Eddie who has a corporate
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security job with a major Las Vegas
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business says that shortly after his
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involvement with the Lazar probe was
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made public his employers were contacted
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the corporate offices or I'm employed
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received a telephone call from a
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government agency wanting to know why I
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was getting involved in something that I
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shouldn't be and I asked well what
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agency what was said did they identify
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themselves and I said because I'll be
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more than happy to talk to him and I was
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refused this information told that he
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didn't know meaning my boss savrinn
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Eddie who still retains the tapes and
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printouts from lazarre's polygraphs also
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says his home was burglarized in early
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January as an investigator of over 20
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years I don't believe in coincidences
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there's a reason for everything I mean
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could it have been a random residential
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burglary uh yes a Las Vegas man named
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Roy Byram contacted us back in November
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1989 saying he had information about
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area 51 that he had gleaned by preparing
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tax returns for several people who
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worked at Groom Lake less than 24 hours
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after phoning us Byram says he was
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visited by two men claiming to be Secret
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Service agents who quote just wanted to
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lean on me a bit journalists who study
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the
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yield for many years say that government
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interest in persons with inside
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information about UFOs is very real a
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body of information about UFOs in the
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possession of our government which is so
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sensitive to the people in custody of it
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that they will do just about anything to
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protect it finally there's this item a
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Las Vegas resident currently working for
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local government told us she previously
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worked for a defense contractor and was
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privy to numerous high-level discussions
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about crash discs recovered bodies and
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alien technology she was going to
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provide us with some of this information
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but less than two weeks ago says she was
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visited at her home by a man identifying
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himself as a government agent the man
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said that any release of information
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would lead to trouble adding that our
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source does a lot of traveling and that
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quote accidents can happen the agent
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also mentioned that harm could come to
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the woman's family she has now declined
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to talk with us and you know hearing
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Mary Ruth people-watch reports like this
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at home and I think some of you view it
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with interest but they view it as in the
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same way they're interested in a movie
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of the week this is not a movie of the
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week others seem to believe particularly
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our media critics like we're making this
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stuff up and we're not making it up
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we've spent almost a year on on this
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investigation and there is definitely a
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body of information out there that
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deserves an investigation George
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mentioned that the the previous series
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has been seen in other states and
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countries how has that happened well
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there's quite an underground network
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these UFO people out there UFO buffs at
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trade tapes and trade information of all
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sort we know of three organizations or
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groups that have been selling bootleg
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copies of the tape in parent or alleged
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violation of the copyright laws last
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night it was listening to a radio show
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it was broadcast coast-to-coast they
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were giving away dubs of the program as
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prizes to people who answered their
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trivia questions and today we got a fax
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from Arizona there was a group there
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that are charging 750 ahead for a
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viewing of the tape let's call it
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everywhere what's coming up in in coming
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days quite a bit of stuff we're going to
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dig deeper into the story told by Bob
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Lazar to see if there's any new evidence
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to support what he told us we'll hear
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from what might be called the deep
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throat of the UFO world an intelligence
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agent nicknamed the Falcon will
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investigate claims that the government
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actively spreads dis in four
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Meishan and will take a somewhat
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critical look at some of these UFO
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prophets of doom and UFO groups to find
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out if they may have ulterior motives in
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spreading the word about this
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