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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,489 --> 00:00:03,370 (southern rock music) 2 00:00:10,832 --> 00:00:14,725 When Lynyrd Skynyrd emerged on to the world stage in 1973 3 00:00:14,725 --> 00:00:16,176 for the band it was the result 4 00:00:16,176 --> 00:00:17,744 of their collective determination. 5 00:00:17,744 --> 00:00:19,567 Having struggled to gain real recognition 6 00:00:19,567 --> 00:00:22,532 since they had formed eight years beforehand, 7 00:00:22,532 --> 00:00:24,698 and although they were immediately identified both 8 00:00:24,698 --> 00:00:27,044 in the music industry and the press as yet another act 9 00:00:27,044 --> 00:00:29,988 in the booming Southern Rock movement of the time 10 00:00:29,988 --> 00:00:32,430 it soon became apparent that these Floridians were not only 11 00:00:32,430 --> 00:00:34,990 an entirely distinctive musical unit, 12 00:00:34,990 --> 00:00:37,651 but also one of the greatest rock bands in the world. 13 00:00:39,577 --> 00:00:42,051 - They wanted to cash in on something you know, 14 00:00:42,051 --> 00:00:44,771 that would be unique to them you know, 15 00:00:44,771 --> 00:00:48,076 a Southern Redneck biker band. 16 00:00:48,076 --> 00:00:50,604 It was just such a crazy concept, but they were 17 00:00:50,604 --> 00:00:52,710 just audacious enough to make it work. 18 00:00:54,764 --> 00:00:56,998 - Lynyrd Skynyrd was the show stopper. 19 00:00:58,401 --> 00:01:02,764 When I walked to the stage with Lynyrd Skynyrd the hair 20 00:01:02,764 --> 00:01:04,891 on the back of my neck stood up. 21 00:01:06,177 --> 00:01:10,288 It was like the Gladiators going into the arena. 22 00:01:11,787 --> 00:01:12,587 - [Voiceover] The driving force 23 00:01:12,587 --> 00:01:14,742 of the band was Ronnie VanZant, 24 00:01:14,742 --> 00:01:17,558 a tough, blue-collar brawler that led Skynyrd from the front line 25 00:01:17,558 --> 00:01:20,661 with his powerful stage presence, distinctive vocals 26 00:01:20,661 --> 00:01:22,720 and his gritty, honest lyrics. 27 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,298 Head strong and domineering, 28 00:01:24,298 --> 00:01:26,122 his energy and vision propelled the group 29 00:01:26,122 --> 00:01:29,860 from it's formation until it's tragic end in 1977. 30 00:01:31,850 --> 00:01:33,151 - From the minute I joined the band 31 00:01:33,151 --> 00:01:35,124 to the minute we had the plane crash 32 00:01:35,124 --> 00:01:38,271 he was the hardest working band I've ever known of, 33 00:01:38,271 --> 00:01:42,382 that was due primarily to the work ethic of Ronnie VanZant. 34 00:01:43,273 --> 00:01:47,587 He was the true leader, writer, mentor of that band. 35 00:01:52,873 --> 00:01:54,195 - Ronnie was spectacular. 36 00:01:54,195 --> 00:01:57,011 He just had a charisma all of his own. 37 00:01:57,011 --> 00:01:59,912 Man, he grabbed my heart hook, line, and sinker. 38 00:01:59,912 --> 00:02:02,099 I said, "Man, everything that comes out 39 00:02:02,099 --> 00:02:04,524 "of his mouth is meaningful." 40 00:02:06,429 --> 00:02:08,503 - [Voiceover] Ronnie VanZant was a great song writer. 41 00:02:08,503 --> 00:02:11,020 He was a terrific lyricist too, an observant person, 42 00:02:11,020 --> 00:02:13,270 and a very smart guy, and he knew how 43 00:02:13,270 --> 00:02:14,881 to be ambiguous about stuff. 44 00:02:14,881 --> 00:02:16,726 He was was very sharp. 45 00:02:16,726 --> 00:02:18,667 They put out six albums, 46 00:02:18,667 --> 00:02:21,035 and 80, 90 % of those songs are absolutely top-rated. 47 00:02:21,035 --> 00:02:22,000 It's amazing. 48 00:02:34,751 --> 00:02:39,167 - [Voiceover] Ronnie Van Zant was born in Jacksonville, Florida, in 1948. 49 00:02:39,167 --> 00:02:42,804 The eldest child of parents Lacy and Marion Van Zant 50 00:02:42,804 --> 00:02:45,176 At the time this port city on the Northeastern tip 51 00:02:45,176 --> 00:02:48,248 of Florida, was undergoing rapid expansion, 52 00:02:48,248 --> 00:02:50,413 yet the Van Zants settled away from the industrial 53 00:02:50,413 --> 00:02:53,090 and commercial center of downtown Jacksonville 54 00:02:53,090 --> 00:02:56,119 in the semi-rural area of the Westside. 55 00:02:56,119 --> 00:02:58,647 Here Ronnie grew up alongside his five siblings 56 00:02:58,647 --> 00:03:01,303 in a small family home close to the unspoiled beauty 57 00:03:01,303 --> 00:03:05,090 of the Cedar River, known to the locals a Cedar Creek. 58 00:03:05,090 --> 00:03:08,075 - They weren't guided by any particular rules. 59 00:03:08,075 --> 00:03:10,667 Lacy Van Zant was almost never there. 60 00:03:10,667 --> 00:03:14,560 The Father he was hard living, truck driving man, 61 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,984 and he was very rarely home and the Mother who 62 00:03:17,984 --> 00:03:21,973 everybody called Sis was kind of a hands off kind of parent. 63 00:03:21,973 --> 00:03:25,109 - Ronnie was a barefoot country boy you know, 64 00:03:25,109 --> 00:03:26,527 on the Westside of Jacksonville. 65 00:03:26,527 --> 00:03:28,725 We lived down the street there on Mull Street, 66 00:03:28,725 --> 00:03:31,188 and me and Ronnie just became fishing buddies. 67 00:03:31,188 --> 00:03:33,130 We'd ride our bicycles down to Cedar Creek. 68 00:03:33,130 --> 00:03:34,484 I'd be on the handlebars 69 00:03:34,484 --> 00:03:35,572 or he'd be on the handlebars, 70 00:03:35,572 --> 00:03:37,257 and we'd go down and take a croaker sack 71 00:03:37,257 --> 00:03:38,527 and we'd catch mullet. 72 00:03:38,527 --> 00:03:39,764 We'd catch a sack full of mullet, 73 00:03:39,764 --> 00:03:41,151 and we'd bring them back and give them to everybody, 74 00:03:41,151 --> 00:03:43,380 some black folks on the other end of the street down there, 75 00:03:43,380 --> 00:03:45,737 we gave fish to everybody. 76 00:03:45,737 --> 00:03:47,614 - [Voiceover] Although fishing was the young Van Zant's 77 00:03:47,614 --> 00:03:50,046 favorite past time during his childhood 78 00:03:50,046 --> 00:03:51,753 the area surrounding the family home 79 00:03:51,753 --> 00:03:54,590 on Mull Street was a rough, working-class neighborhood 80 00:03:54,590 --> 00:03:57,032 renamed Shantytown by it's residents, 81 00:03:57,032 --> 00:03:58,845 and the quick tempered Ronnie soon developed 82 00:03:58,845 --> 00:04:00,595 in part through necessity, 83 00:04:00,595 --> 00:04:03,197 into one of the toughest kids on the block. 84 00:04:03,197 --> 00:04:05,234 - The old saying then and now even, 85 00:04:05,234 --> 00:04:07,901 the farther North you go into Florida, 86 00:04:07,901 --> 00:04:09,554 the more in the South you are, 87 00:04:09,554 --> 00:04:12,007 and when you were in Jacksonville you were at the upper tip 88 00:04:12,007 --> 00:04:15,410 of Florida, and it was pretty bad. 89 00:04:15,410 --> 00:04:17,106 It was bad country. 90 00:04:17,106 --> 00:04:19,975 - Ronnie lived in a neighborhood that where 91 00:04:19,975 --> 00:04:23,463 12 o'clock noon on a summer day you don't want to be 92 00:04:23,463 --> 00:04:24,881 in that neighborhood. 93 00:04:24,881 --> 00:04:27,222 Okay, and I lived about 1/4 mile away 94 00:04:28,081 --> 00:04:31,137 and the houses, not much bigger than this room, 95 00:04:31,137 --> 00:04:34,592 but they were brick and they were a whole level 96 00:04:34,592 --> 00:04:37,462 up from where Ronnie's people were. 97 00:04:37,462 --> 00:04:39,541 They used to call us the rich folk. 98 00:04:39,541 --> 00:04:42,170 He lived in the roughest neighborhood they was. 99 00:04:43,658 --> 00:04:46,762 - It was blue-collar and it was working-class people, 100 00:04:46,762 --> 00:04:48,090 rednecks you know. 101 00:04:49,077 --> 00:04:51,204 I'm happy to be a redneck, you know. (laughs) 102 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,063 It was a great neighborhood back then. 103 00:04:54,063 --> 00:04:56,090 We called it Shantytown. 104 00:04:56,090 --> 00:04:58,096 They call it the bottom now. 105 00:04:58,096 --> 00:05:01,072 - The Westside was everybody knew each other 106 00:05:01,072 --> 00:05:01,989 in the Westside. 107 00:05:01,989 --> 00:05:03,077 We played baseball together. 108 00:05:03,077 --> 00:05:04,276 We went fishing together. 109 00:05:05,614 --> 00:05:07,055 We wanted to live here all our lives, 110 00:05:07,055 --> 00:05:08,842 but we knew we weren't going to 111 00:05:08,842 --> 00:05:10,938 really amount to much of anything here. 112 00:05:12,261 --> 00:05:14,682 You work for the railroad or you join the Navy. 113 00:05:14,682 --> 00:05:16,357 That was pretty much it 114 00:05:16,357 --> 00:05:18,271 or you went to college to become a lawyer, 115 00:05:19,258 --> 00:05:23,827 and starting a band just seemed to be a whole lot more fun. 116 00:05:24,772 --> 00:05:27,183 - [Voiceover] Despite being drawn to music from an early age 117 00:05:27,183 --> 00:05:29,806 in particular country in the work of Merle Haggard 118 00:05:29,806 --> 00:05:30,820 and having already developed 119 00:05:30,820 --> 00:05:32,900 an enthusiasm for singing, Van Zant's 120 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:35,299 earliest ambitions were not artistic, 121 00:05:35,299 --> 00:05:37,811 yet they all involved breaking out of Shantytown. 122 00:05:38,734 --> 00:05:40,895 Growing up within walking distance from Jacksonville's 123 00:05:40,895 --> 00:05:44,099 Speedway Park his initial childhood aspiration was 124 00:05:44,099 --> 00:05:46,509 to become a champion stock car driver. 125 00:05:46,509 --> 00:05:49,069 Although with his enrollment in Robert E. Lee High School 126 00:05:49,069 --> 00:05:53,321 in 1961 his thoughts turned to more athletic pursuits. 127 00:05:53,321 --> 00:05:55,704 - At Lee, early on, he wanted to play football. 128 00:05:56,585 --> 00:05:57,677 He wanted to be a running back, 129 00:05:58,707 --> 00:06:01,385 and he got to play and they did a scrimmage 130 00:06:01,385 --> 00:06:03,667 and the first play from scrimmage he got his ankle broken. 131 00:06:03,667 --> 00:06:05,935 They put pins in it and made him 4F, 132 00:06:05,935 --> 00:06:07,791 so he couldn't be drafted. 133 00:06:07,791 --> 00:06:12,420 Right before that when Cassius Clay was in his heyday 134 00:06:12,420 --> 00:06:14,457 before he turned over and changed his name 135 00:06:14,457 --> 00:06:17,081 to Muhammed Ali, Ronnie loved Cassius Clay, 136 00:06:17,081 --> 00:06:20,249 and he wanted to be a boxer, but boxer, 137 00:06:20,249 --> 00:06:23,507 and I wasn't there that day Orestes Godwin which lived 138 00:06:23,507 --> 00:06:25,672 over on Pangola, the other side of Woodcrest, 139 00:06:25,672 --> 00:06:28,627 Ronnie's side boxed Ronnie and he just beat the hell 140 00:06:28,627 --> 00:06:30,280 out of Ronnie, so that changed Ronnie's mind 141 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:31,703 about wanting to be a boxer. 142 00:06:32,648 --> 00:06:34,397 You get your ass beat the first time you want 143 00:06:34,397 --> 00:06:37,341 to be somebody you don't want to be that, next day. 144 00:06:37,341 --> 00:06:39,661 - [Voiceover] The single event that caused Van Zant to focus 145 00:06:39,661 --> 00:06:43,106 not on sport, but on music occurred in 1965 146 00:06:43,106 --> 00:06:45,122 when he and a friend attended a concert 147 00:06:45,122 --> 00:06:46,978 at the Jacksonville Coliseum. 148 00:06:46,978 --> 00:06:49,666 Despite the rich, musical heritage of the South 149 00:06:49,666 --> 00:06:51,937 it was a British band channeling this heritage 150 00:06:51,937 --> 00:06:54,369 into their own distinctive sound that provided the young 151 00:06:54,369 --> 00:06:57,660 Floridian with a clear roadmap for his future. 152 00:06:57,660 --> 00:07:00,838 The Rolling Stones played to a packed house on May the 8th, 153 00:07:00,838 --> 00:07:03,611 and that performance proved inspirational. 154 00:07:03,611 --> 00:07:06,971 - Mick Jagger and the Stones is what inspired him. 155 00:07:06,971 --> 00:07:09,488 He liked music, country music. 156 00:07:09,488 --> 00:07:11,493 Mick Jagger, The Rolling Stones is what put the shuffle 157 00:07:11,493 --> 00:07:14,960 in his feet and what put him into wanting to be 158 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,634 in the music business. 159 00:07:16,634 --> 00:07:20,282 ♪ I can't get no ♪ 160 00:07:20,282 --> 00:07:23,541 ♪ I can't get no ♪ 161 00:07:23,541 --> 00:07:27,231 ♪ When I'm driving in my car ♪ 162 00:07:27,231 --> 00:07:31,071 ♪ A man comes on the radio ♪ 163 00:07:31,071 --> 00:07:33,375 ♪ Telling me more and more ♪ 164 00:07:33,375 --> 00:07:36,745 ♪ About some useless information ♪ 165 00:07:36,745 --> 00:07:40,137 ♪ Supposed to fire my imagination ♪ 166 00:07:40,137 --> 00:07:43,539 ♪ I can't get no ♪ 167 00:07:43,539 --> 00:07:46,899 ♪ A no, no, no ♪ 168 00:07:46,899 --> 00:07:49,843 ♪ Hey, hey, hey ♪ 169 00:07:49,843 --> 00:07:51,736 ♪ That's what I say ♪ 170 00:07:52,691 --> 00:07:55,656 He seen the reaction of the fans and the people 171 00:07:55,656 --> 00:07:58,536 especially the girls, and the girls loved the singers. 172 00:07:58,536 --> 00:07:59,773 They don't care much about the band, 173 00:07:59,773 --> 00:08:01,288 but they loved that front man. 174 00:08:01,288 --> 00:08:02,909 Ronnie loved it. 175 00:08:02,909 --> 00:08:06,845 He just had that reaction because truthfully speaking 176 00:08:06,845 --> 00:08:08,641 he wanted to get out of Shantytown. 177 00:08:09,554 --> 00:08:10,492 He hated it. 178 00:08:10,492 --> 00:08:11,980 He didn't bring nobody over to his house, 179 00:08:12,828 --> 00:08:15,292 us close friends, but if he didn't if you wasn't 180 00:08:15,292 --> 00:08:17,468 a close friend you didn't come over to Shantytown. 181 00:08:17,468 --> 00:08:20,316 In Ronnie's eyes he wanted to be somebody. 182 00:08:20,316 --> 00:08:22,300 Mick Jagger did that dancing. 183 00:08:22,300 --> 00:08:24,817 Ronnie Van Zant come back, "Hey, I want to be 184 00:08:24,817 --> 00:08:26,609 "I want to be in rock-n-roll." 185 00:08:26,609 --> 00:08:30,416 He put that in his mind, and that is what guided him. 186 00:08:30,416 --> 00:08:32,614 Ron Van Zant had a goal. 187 00:08:32,614 --> 00:08:33,904 - [Voiceover] It didn't take Van Zant long 188 00:08:33,904 --> 00:08:36,528 to begin working towards this goal. 189 00:08:36,528 --> 00:08:38,629 Within weeks he had joined young teen-aged group 190 00:08:38,629 --> 00:08:41,253 The Squires, and several years older than the other 191 00:08:41,253 --> 00:08:42,842 band members, he quickly took charge. 192 00:08:42,842 --> 00:08:44,447 Renaming them Us. 193 00:08:45,359 --> 00:08:47,951 This would soon bring him into contact with rival bands 194 00:08:47,951 --> 00:08:50,127 The Mods which featured young guitarist, 195 00:08:50,127 --> 00:08:53,135 Allen Collins and bassist, Larry Steele. 196 00:08:53,135 --> 00:08:57,790 - I first met Ronnie Van Zant in 1965. 197 00:08:58,895 --> 00:09:01,747 Allen and I had a band together called The Mods 198 00:09:03,001 --> 00:09:06,408 We attended Lake Shore Junior High School together 199 00:09:06,408 --> 00:09:09,603 as did Gary Rossington and Allen and I's band 200 00:09:09,603 --> 00:09:13,582 had a Battle of the Bands coming up with another band. 201 00:09:13,582 --> 00:09:16,462 We had had a Battle of the Bands previously 202 00:09:16,462 --> 00:09:18,019 and we won. 203 00:09:18,019 --> 00:09:22,776 But now this band that we were competing against, now, 204 00:09:22,776 --> 00:09:25,560 thier new lead singer was Ronnie Van Zant. 205 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:27,832 Ronnie came over to Lake Shore Junior High School 206 00:09:27,832 --> 00:09:29,997 to kind of advance the gig. 207 00:09:29,997 --> 00:09:32,002 He was always calculating. 208 00:09:32,002 --> 00:09:34,924 He was like a field general and he had requested 209 00:09:34,924 --> 00:09:37,186 through someone to meet with me. 210 00:09:37,186 --> 00:09:39,329 That was terrifying, you know? 211 00:09:39,329 --> 00:09:40,855 It was like, what? 212 00:09:40,855 --> 00:09:42,950 It just didn't sound good at all, you know? 213 00:09:44,406 --> 00:09:45,505 I knew of him. 214 00:09:45,505 --> 00:09:47,318 I knew the name everybody on the Westside 215 00:09:47,318 --> 00:09:50,177 of Jacksonville knew the name because Ronnie had 216 00:09:50,177 --> 00:09:55,177 a fairly big reputation as a street fighter. 217 00:09:55,702 --> 00:09:58,571 He was a tough guy. 218 00:09:58,571 --> 00:10:03,571 I was expecting to meet Attila the Hun, 219 00:10:04,171 --> 00:10:06,528 but he was very soft spoken. 220 00:10:06,528 --> 00:10:08,373 He was very polite. 221 00:10:08,373 --> 00:10:10,965 He was very intelligent. 222 00:10:10,965 --> 00:10:12,735 He knew what he wanted to do. 223 00:10:12,735 --> 00:10:15,114 He was as nice as he can be. 224 00:10:15,114 --> 00:10:16,788 - [Voiceover] Although Us won the contest, 225 00:10:16,788 --> 00:10:18,740 Van Zant quickly decided that his band mates lacked 226 00:10:18,740 --> 00:10:21,727 the skill and focus to match his own ambitions, 227 00:10:21,727 --> 00:10:24,340 and he began looking for a new outfit to front. 228 00:10:24,340 --> 00:10:26,324 Another group on the local high school circuit 229 00:10:26,324 --> 00:10:28,009 soon caught his attention. 230 00:10:28,009 --> 00:10:29,801 A recently formed three-piece band 231 00:10:29,801 --> 00:10:32,238 consisting of bassist Larrry Youngstrom, 232 00:10:32,238 --> 00:10:34,116 guitarist, Gary Rossington, and drummer, 233 00:10:34,116 --> 00:10:35,705 Bob Burns. 234 00:10:35,705 --> 00:10:37,411 - First it was me and Larry. 235 00:10:37,411 --> 00:10:38,777 We were trying to do something and I said, 236 00:10:38,777 --> 00:10:41,496 "Larry, we got to get us a guitar partner." 237 00:10:41,496 --> 00:10:42,744 He said, "I don't know none." 238 00:10:42,744 --> 00:10:43,741 I said, "I do." 239 00:10:44,792 --> 00:10:48,035 - Gary Rossington, yes, I told Gary about it and he said, 240 00:10:48,035 --> 00:10:49,938 "Sure." Because he didn't have an amplifier. 241 00:10:50,861 --> 00:10:53,581 So we walked about two miles and got one, 242 00:10:53,581 --> 00:10:56,013 and that's what we started practicing with. 243 00:10:56,013 --> 00:10:59,111 We named the band Me, You and Him. 244 00:10:59,959 --> 00:11:02,679 The way I met Ronnie, he knocked on my door 245 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,410 one morning to say, right before school. 246 00:11:05,410 --> 00:11:07,249 I said, "I don't want to fight you, man." 247 00:11:09,196 --> 00:11:11,617 He said, "I ain't here to fight." 248 00:11:11,617 --> 00:11:12,806 He said, "I'm a singer." 249 00:11:13,814 --> 00:11:14,977 I said, "You're a singer?" 250 00:11:14,977 --> 00:11:16,534 He said, "Yeah." 251 00:11:16,534 --> 00:11:17,996 I said, "Well, I'll be dang." 252 00:11:17,996 --> 00:11:22,996 I said, "I got a bass player and I have a guitar player. 253 00:11:23,563 --> 00:11:26,443 "Let's try to put something together." 254 00:11:26,443 --> 00:11:28,160 - [Voiceover] As they began to practice, however, 255 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,795 this new as yet unnamed band quickly realized 256 00:11:30,795 --> 00:11:33,024 that something was missing from their sound. 257 00:11:33,024 --> 00:11:34,895 Enter guitarist, Allen Collins. 258 00:11:35,765 --> 00:11:38,890 - Allen was playing in a band called the Mods. 259 00:11:38,890 --> 00:11:41,439 He was their lead-guitar player. 260 00:11:41,439 --> 00:11:42,474 We were practicing. 261 00:11:42,474 --> 00:11:43,434 We stopped. 262 00:11:43,434 --> 00:11:46,900 We said, "Look it's just not full enough, you know? 263 00:11:46,900 --> 00:11:49,386 The sound is just not full enough." 264 00:11:49,386 --> 00:11:51,001 I said, "We need another axe." 265 00:11:52,009 --> 00:11:53,561 Everybody said, "Yeah, where?" 266 00:11:54,729 --> 00:11:58,089 I went, "Bingo, Allen Collins." 267 00:11:58,089 --> 00:12:00,233 And Gary just about thought about it 268 00:12:00,233 --> 00:12:02,505 at the same time because he didn't know Allen 269 00:12:02,505 --> 00:12:03,881 like I did. 270 00:12:03,881 --> 00:12:05,598 He was just a distant, distant friend. 271 00:12:05,598 --> 00:12:07,187 I know Allen, good 272 00:12:07,187 --> 00:12:09,250 He was in a lot of my classes. 273 00:12:10,675 --> 00:12:13,640 We approached him about it. 274 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,496 - They needed another guitar player. 275 00:12:15,496 --> 00:12:18,002 Ronnie was of the opinion that he could take 276 00:12:18,002 --> 00:12:22,152 two mediocre at best, at that time, the truth is 277 00:12:22,152 --> 00:12:24,162 Allen and Gary neither one, they were both learning 278 00:12:24,162 --> 00:12:25,602 from each other. 279 00:12:25,602 --> 00:12:28,546 Ronnie felt like if he could take the two of them 280 00:12:28,546 --> 00:12:30,999 and combine that energy and have them feed off 281 00:12:30,999 --> 00:12:34,284 of each other that ultimately he could come up with 282 00:12:34,284 --> 00:12:37,964 at the very least a very good guitar player. 283 00:12:37,964 --> 00:12:40,823 As it turned out, he knew exactly what he was talking about. 284 00:12:40,823 --> 00:12:43,958 As it turned out he got two very good guitar players. 285 00:12:43,958 --> 00:12:45,612 - [Voiceover] With the band's line-up in place 286 00:12:45,612 --> 00:12:47,563 after some rehearsing, they made their way on to the 287 00:12:47,563 --> 00:12:49,238 Jacksonville Live Circuit. 288 00:12:49,238 --> 00:12:51,115 Although as the majority of the members were still 289 00:12:51,115 --> 00:12:53,547 high school students, they were restricted to playing 290 00:12:53,547 --> 00:12:56,000 teen clubs and youth centers. 291 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,656 Their set list almost exclusively made up of covers 292 00:12:58,656 --> 00:13:01,653 of songs by British invasion acts, this group eventually 293 00:13:01,653 --> 00:13:04,277 named the Noble Five was the first step 294 00:13:04,277 --> 00:13:06,741 in the journey towards Lynyrd Skynyrd. 295 00:13:06,741 --> 00:13:09,487 - That band right there, if we jumped on a copy tune 296 00:13:11,370 --> 00:13:13,988 at first it was good, people were very impressed. 297 00:13:14,868 --> 00:13:19,689 Then they were saying, "Damn, that sounds good." 298 00:13:19,689 --> 00:13:22,825 And before we quit playing copy tunes 299 00:13:22,825 --> 00:13:25,790 and we played anywhere from the Doors and the Stones 300 00:13:25,790 --> 00:13:30,403 to Beatles, a lot of rock-n-roll, some blues-rock, 301 00:13:31,603 --> 00:13:34,003 just on and on forever, good stuff. 302 00:13:34,003 --> 00:13:36,702 All the copy tunes, okay. 303 00:13:36,702 --> 00:13:41,702 And I'll vow it to say this the band Ronnie, me, Gary, 304 00:13:41,757 --> 00:13:45,992 Allen and Larry probably had one of the best copy bands 305 00:13:45,992 --> 00:13:47,453 in the world. 306 00:13:47,453 --> 00:13:48,584 We knocked it out. 307 00:13:48,584 --> 00:13:50,141 People loved it. 308 00:13:50,141 --> 00:13:50,913 - How good were they? 309 00:13:52,477 --> 00:13:53,650 Not really good. 310 00:13:53,650 --> 00:13:55,261 The Noble Five when they were the Noble Five 311 00:13:55,261 --> 00:13:58,183 they were playing other people's music and they were trying 312 00:13:58,183 --> 00:13:59,900 to put some of the original stuff, you know, 313 00:13:59,900 --> 00:14:01,116 trying to come up with something. 314 00:14:01,116 --> 00:14:04,876 You know, they were average young band, young musicians, 315 00:14:04,876 --> 00:14:07,303 they didn't hit every note perfect. 316 00:14:07,303 --> 00:14:09,052 - [Voiceover] If the Noble Five still had to develop 317 00:14:09,052 --> 00:14:12,359 instrumental prowess and musical creativity one thing 318 00:14:12,359 --> 00:14:15,750 it wasn't lacking was a commanding presence out front. 319 00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:17,990 From the get go Ronnie Van Zant was a striking 320 00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:20,838 and very singular lead singer. 321 00:14:20,838 --> 00:14:22,795 - I would say that Noble Five was very average, 322 00:14:23,835 --> 00:14:28,835 but he knew his limitations and he was very confident. 323 00:14:30,832 --> 00:14:34,459 He had a lot of stage presence, a lot of charisma. 324 00:14:34,459 --> 00:14:36,698 In the beginning I think that's what got him by 325 00:14:36,698 --> 00:14:37,765 more than anything. 326 00:14:37,765 --> 00:14:39,781 At that time he had not really come 327 00:14:39,781 --> 00:14:41,424 into his own as a singer. 328 00:14:41,424 --> 00:14:43,770 He had just recently made up his mind that that's what 329 00:14:43,770 --> 00:14:44,933 he wanted to do. 330 00:14:44,933 --> 00:14:48,207 Actually to phrase it like Ronnie did to me, 331 00:14:48,207 --> 00:14:51,343 not what he wanted to do, what he had to do. 332 00:14:51,343 --> 00:14:54,052 He took it from there, he had, like I say, 333 00:14:54,052 --> 00:14:57,305 all the confidence in the world and he had his plan, 334 00:14:57,305 --> 00:15:00,846 his idea about how it was all going to come together 335 00:15:00,846 --> 00:15:02,457 and he stuck to it. 336 00:15:02,457 --> 00:15:04,601 - [Voiceover] As a Top-40 cover band the Noble Five 337 00:15:04,601 --> 00:15:06,926 were competing in a crowded market. 338 00:15:06,926 --> 00:15:09,464 The coming of the Beatles, The Stones and the numerous 339 00:15:09,464 --> 00:15:11,747 other artists from across the Atlantic had seen 340 00:15:11,747 --> 00:15:15,320 an explosion of musical activity across the US. 341 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,752 The major hub for the artists who developed in the wake 342 00:15:17,752 --> 00:15:20,546 of this British invasion was California. 343 00:15:20,546 --> 00:15:23,160 Here the members of The Byrds, The Mama's and the Papa's, 344 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,634 and the Greatful Dead, among many others were forging 345 00:15:25,634 --> 00:15:27,053 new sounds. 346 00:15:27,053 --> 00:15:29,197 The musicians dragging themselves out of the once 347 00:15:29,197 --> 00:15:32,514 dominant folk revival scene and into the brave new world 348 00:15:32,514 --> 00:15:35,095 suggested by the British acts. 349 00:15:35,095 --> 00:15:37,687 As distant as this all seemed to the young bands playing 350 00:15:37,687 --> 00:15:40,215 cover songs in the South and actually on occasion 351 00:15:40,215 --> 00:15:42,902 played the same clubs as the Noble Five had made 352 00:15:42,902 --> 00:15:45,104 an attempt to break into this competitive world. 353 00:15:46,145 --> 00:15:49,099 Brothers Dwayne and Gregg Allman from Daytona Beach 354 00:15:49,099 --> 00:15:51,339 had initially began playing on the Florida Circuit 355 00:15:51,339 --> 00:15:54,283 in the ensemble The Escorts in 1964. 356 00:15:54,283 --> 00:15:56,864 The following year they had become The Allman Joys 357 00:15:56,864 --> 00:15:58,773 and they quickly rose to the top of the scene. 358 00:15:58,773 --> 00:16:00,853 Playing venues not only in their home state, 359 00:16:00,853 --> 00:16:02,159 but across the South. 360 00:16:03,104 --> 00:16:06,314 In 1967 they became the Hour Glass and with industry 361 00:16:06,314 --> 00:16:09,461 support behind them they relocated to Los Angles. 362 00:16:09,461 --> 00:16:12,703 Yet, despite several high profile shows and two albums 363 00:16:12,703 --> 00:16:14,762 they failed to make their mark. 364 00:16:14,762 --> 00:16:17,546 To musicians on the Florida Circuit however, including 365 00:16:17,546 --> 00:16:20,020 the ambitious, young members of the Noble Five, 366 00:16:20,020 --> 00:16:21,929 they were an inspiration. 367 00:16:21,929 --> 00:16:23,966 As well as Gregg Allman's powerful vocals 368 00:16:23,966 --> 00:16:26,878 and Dwayne Allman's technical virtuosity as a guitarist, 369 00:16:26,878 --> 00:16:29,886 the band wrote original material. 370 00:16:29,886 --> 00:16:32,521 - We opened up for the Allman Brothers. 371 00:16:32,521 --> 00:16:34,984 They were called the Hour Glass back then, 372 00:16:34,984 --> 00:16:36,894 but it was the Allman Brothers. 373 00:16:36,894 --> 00:16:39,741 We were on first. 374 00:16:39,741 --> 00:16:44,520 We got in there and Gregg and Dwayne just sat there. 375 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,840 They said, "Look, you guys got a tremendously 376 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,127 "powerful band." 377 00:16:51,127 --> 00:16:55,281 "You sound great, but you'll never go anywhere 378 00:16:56,578 --> 00:16:59,099 "until you do your own stuff." 379 00:17:00,108 --> 00:17:03,287 He said, "What you gotta do is get you a place 380 00:17:03,287 --> 00:17:07,201 "that to where you can practice seven days a week 381 00:17:07,201 --> 00:17:09,985 "from morning till night, you know, and put a little 382 00:17:09,985 --> 00:17:13,185 "recorder in there to keep place with the songs." 383 00:17:13,185 --> 00:17:16,229 So we did that for seven years. 384 00:17:17,174 --> 00:17:20,213 - [Voiceover] Inspired by Dwayne Allman's advice the band, 385 00:17:20,213 --> 00:17:23,211 having recently changed their name to the One Percent. 386 00:17:23,211 --> 00:17:25,216 looked for a location in which they could work up 387 00:17:25,216 --> 00:17:27,584 new material and hone their musical skiills 388 00:17:27,584 --> 00:17:29,274 through repetitious rehearsals. 389 00:17:30,282 --> 00:17:32,821 After exhausting the patience of family and friends 390 00:17:32,821 --> 00:17:35,029 they eventually found a run down cabin in the town 391 00:17:35,029 --> 00:17:37,172 of Russell which they would call over time 392 00:17:37,172 --> 00:17:38,442 Hell House. 393 00:17:38,442 --> 00:17:41,385 Under Van Zant's stern leadership they began their slow 394 00:17:41,385 --> 00:17:43,747 metamorphosis into a major rock band. 395 00:17:45,364 --> 00:17:49,677 - We practiced seven days a week, from 10 in the morning 396 00:17:49,677 --> 00:17:51,789 until 10 at night. 397 00:17:51,789 --> 00:17:55,586 Tin roof, no air conditioning, it was hard work. 398 00:17:55,586 --> 00:18:00,322 It was hard work, but we loved it, man. 399 00:18:00,322 --> 00:18:01,751 You know, we loved it. 400 00:18:01,751 --> 00:18:05,026 - Ronnie was just realizing that we were going to have 401 00:18:05,026 --> 00:18:07,889 to work harder than everybody else to make it. 402 00:18:07,889 --> 00:18:11,462 His work ethic just went into overdrive. 403 00:18:11,462 --> 00:18:12,817 There was no time off. 404 00:18:12,817 --> 00:18:14,609 If you weren't playing a gig you were rehearsing 405 00:18:14,609 --> 00:18:16,611 to play the next gig. 406 00:18:16,611 --> 00:18:21,611 As a result of that there was a huge transition. 407 00:18:22,737 --> 00:18:27,600 When they became One Percent basically it was the same band 408 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,951 the whole attitude was completely different. 409 00:18:30,951 --> 00:18:33,184 - [Voiceover] This new vigor led One Percent to quickly rise 410 00:18:33,184 --> 00:18:36,456 to the top of the local circuit and in 1968 411 00:18:36,456 --> 00:18:38,681 they began playing regularly at the recently opened 412 00:18:38,681 --> 00:18:42,467 Comic Book Club, the most vibrant venue in Jacksonville. 413 00:18:42,467 --> 00:18:45,304 As the band continued to develop, the following year 414 00:18:45,304 --> 00:18:47,459 there was a significant shift in the music industry 415 00:18:47,459 --> 00:18:48,696 of the South. 416 00:18:48,696 --> 00:18:51,000 After the collapse of their band The Hour Glass 417 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,837 guitarist Dwayne Allman who worked as session musician 418 00:18:53,837 --> 00:18:56,205 at famed studios in Muscle Shoals, Alabama, 419 00:18:56,205 --> 00:18:59,010 immediately drawing the attention of Atlantic Records, 420 00:18:59,010 --> 00:19:00,226 Jerry Wexler. 421 00:19:00,226 --> 00:19:03,842 He in turn introduced Allman to an associate, Phil Walden 422 00:19:03,842 --> 00:19:06,466 a manager from Macon, Georgia, who has previously 423 00:19:06,466 --> 00:19:10,572 represented R&B heavy weights, Otis Redding and Al Green. 424 00:19:10,572 --> 00:19:13,516 So impressed was Walden by the young guitarist's talent 425 00:19:13,516 --> 00:19:15,632 he encouraged Allman to form a new band 426 00:19:15,632 --> 00:19:17,840 and set up a record label, Capricorn 427 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,909 to release their albums. 428 00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:23,727 In March 1969, The Allman Brothers Band was born 429 00:19:23,727 --> 00:19:26,095 bring together musicians from Floridian groups 430 00:19:26,095 --> 00:19:29,551 The 31st of February and the Second Coming alongside 431 00:19:29,551 --> 00:19:30,831 Greg and Dwayne. 432 00:19:30,831 --> 00:19:33,689 By April they had moved to Macon. 433 00:19:33,689 --> 00:19:37,123 Here Walden set up a studio and began to build Capricorn. 434 00:19:37,123 --> 00:19:39,699 a record label that would become a beacon for talented 435 00:19:39,699 --> 00:19:42,530 young, local acts playing rock music. 436 00:19:42,530 --> 00:19:46,796 Phil Walden totally believed that there was a lot 437 00:19:46,796 --> 00:19:50,967 of creativity where we lived, where we came from 438 00:19:50,967 --> 00:19:52,108 and we experienced it. 439 00:19:52,108 --> 00:19:55,670 We experienced it in Alabama, in Macon, Georgia, where 440 00:19:55,670 --> 00:19:58,140 I'd gone to school and Phil grew up. 441 00:19:58,140 --> 00:20:00,262 Phil was the leader of this thinking 442 00:20:00,262 --> 00:20:03,771 and his brother Alan joined in, too. 443 00:20:03,771 --> 00:20:08,336 You know, you've got great players around 444 00:20:08,336 --> 00:20:10,747 just look over your shoulder. 445 00:20:10,747 --> 00:20:12,763 Turn around and look about. 446 00:20:12,763 --> 00:20:14,715 Joe got a call from Gary Wexler 447 00:20:14,715 --> 00:20:17,914 about Dwayne Allman and then he took action 448 00:20:17,914 --> 00:20:19,365 on that phone call. 449 00:20:19,365 --> 00:20:24,303 Dwayne was ready to make a move. 450 00:20:24,303 --> 00:20:27,865 ♪ I've been run down ♪ 451 00:20:27,865 --> 00:20:31,348 ♪ I've been lied to ♪ 452 00:20:31,348 --> 00:20:33,215 ♪ I don't know why, ♪ 453 00:20:33,215 --> 00:20:36,927 ♪ I let that mean woman make me a fool ♪ 454 00:20:36,927 --> 00:20:40,329 ♪ She took all my money ♪ 455 00:20:40,329 --> 00:20:44,414 ♪ Wrecks my new car ♪ 456 00:20:44,414 --> 00:20:47,411 ♪ Now she's with one of my good time buddies ♪ 457 00:20:47,411 --> 00:20:49,950 ♪ They're drinkin' in some cross town bar ♪ 458 00:20:49,950 --> 00:20:54,950 ♪ Sometimes I feel ♪ 459 00:20:55,006 --> 00:20:57,235 ♪ Sometimes I feel ♪ 460 00:20:57,235 --> 00:20:58,888 ♪ Like I've been tied ♪ 461 00:20:58,888 --> 00:21:02,349 ♪ To the whipping post ♪ 462 00:21:02,349 --> 00:21:05,068 ♪ Tied to the whipping post ♪ 463 00:21:05,068 --> 00:21:07,458 - It was very inspirational. 464 00:21:07,458 --> 00:21:10,881 It was the first inkling that we had that it could 465 00:21:10,881 --> 00:21:12,385 actually be done. 466 00:21:12,385 --> 00:21:14,390 It was Ronnie in fact that turned me onto Greg 467 00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:17,846 and Dwayne Allman and we had known for years 468 00:21:17,846 --> 00:21:22,177 that they were the best around. 469 00:21:22,177 --> 00:21:24,736 If they didn't make it we better start thinking 470 00:21:24,736 --> 00:21:26,230 about something else. 471 00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:29,344 Once they finally did, once Capricorn signed 472 00:21:29,344 --> 00:21:34,344 The Allman Brothers, we knew then, we can do this, too. 473 00:21:34,441 --> 00:21:36,387 ♪ In Memory of Elizabeth Reed ♪ by The Allman Brothers ♪ 474 00:21:52,104 --> 00:21:55,037 - The Allman brothers opened the door for all of us. 475 00:21:55,037 --> 00:21:57,277 They were the ones that went out there 476 00:21:57,277 --> 00:21:59,538 and paid the dues, first. 477 00:21:59,538 --> 00:22:00,786 Little Richard had done a lot. 478 00:22:00,786 --> 00:22:01,954 Otis Redding had done a lot. 479 00:22:01,954 --> 00:22:03,212 Ray Charles had done a lot. 480 00:22:03,212 --> 00:22:05,079 James Brown had done a lot, 481 00:22:05,079 --> 00:22:09,009 but for a white band 482 00:22:09,009 --> 00:22:11,526 they were the pioneers. 483 00:22:11,526 --> 00:22:14,161 They were the first ones out there 484 00:22:14,161 --> 00:22:16,843 that really meant something, that played the Fillmores 485 00:22:17,733 --> 00:22:21,989 and really played original music. 486 00:22:21,989 --> 00:22:24,997 That was one thing, they set the example for, 487 00:22:24,997 --> 00:22:27,375 was playing original music. 488 00:22:27,375 --> 00:22:29,434 - [Voiceover] The Allman Brothers immediately made an impact 489 00:22:29,434 --> 00:22:30,767 on the One Percent. 490 00:22:30,767 --> 00:22:33,156 Their distinctive, sonic approach quickly absorbed 491 00:22:33,156 --> 00:22:35,546 into the young Jacksonville band sound. 492 00:22:35,546 --> 00:22:37,689 Yet, it was a British group traveling to Florida, 493 00:22:37,689 --> 00:22:40,217 on a US tour that would prove and even greater 494 00:22:40,217 --> 00:22:43,321 inspiration musically for the One Percent. 495 00:22:43,321 --> 00:22:45,214 - We followed the brothers a lot, 496 00:22:46,105 --> 00:22:49,053 the double leads kind of came in you know. 497 00:22:50,137 --> 00:22:53,454 Ronnie liked the way Greg sang. 498 00:22:53,454 --> 00:22:55,224 Hell, who didn't? 499 00:22:55,224 --> 00:22:59,479 Then we heard a band called Free that was 500 00:22:59,479 --> 00:23:01,431 supposed to be coming to town 501 00:23:01,431 --> 00:23:03,426 an English band. 502 00:23:03,426 --> 00:23:05,446 We heard them at a skating rink 503 00:23:06,561 --> 00:23:08,908 and I'm telling you what, right there 504 00:23:08,908 --> 00:23:13,078 I think Free changed our band more 505 00:23:13,078 --> 00:23:14,715 than any band in this world. 506 00:23:21,707 --> 00:23:24,768 ♪ Every single day ♪ 507 00:23:24,768 --> 00:23:28,651 ♪ I got a heartache coming my way ♪ 508 00:23:28,651 --> 00:23:32,693 ♪ I don't want to say goodbye, baby ♪ 509 00:23:32,693 --> 00:23:36,832 ♪ But look at the tears in my eyes ♪ 510 00:23:36,832 --> 00:23:40,181 ♪ I don't want to say goodbye, baby ♪ 511 00:23:40,181 --> 00:23:44,500 ♪ But look at the way you made me cry ♪ 512 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:46,911 ♪ In every way that's nice ♪ 513 00:23:46,911 --> 00:23:50,260 ♪ You show you got a heart that's made of ice ♪ 514 00:23:50,260 --> 00:23:54,409 ♪ And I know Fire and water ♪ 515 00:23:54,409 --> 00:23:59,409 Paul Kossoff, Gary Rossington, it's identical 516 00:23:59,443 --> 00:24:01,310 to what Gary does. 517 00:24:01,310 --> 00:24:03,704 That was really beautiful, man. 518 00:24:04,819 --> 00:24:08,595 Beautiful , Simon Kirke on drums 519 00:24:08,595 --> 00:24:11,639 and Andy Frasier, that little hat, you know? 520 00:24:14,835 --> 00:24:17,240 - [Voiceover] For Ronnie Van Zant the emergence of Free 521 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,725 was almost as influential as his initial exposure 522 00:24:19,725 --> 00:24:21,905 to The Stones five years before him. 523 00:24:21,905 --> 00:24:23,410 ♪ Took her home to my place ♪ 524 00:24:23,410 --> 00:24:26,727 ♪ Watching every move on her face ♪ 525 00:24:26,727 --> 00:24:30,929 ♪ She said, Look man ,what's your game ♪ 526 00:24:30,929 --> 00:24:34,150 ♪ Are you trying to put me in shame ♪ 527 00:24:34,150 --> 00:24:38,385 ♪ I said slow baby, don't go so fast ♪ 528 00:24:38,385 --> 00:24:42,107 ♪ Don't you think that love can last ♪ 529 00:24:42,107 --> 00:24:46,246 ♪ She said Love, Lord above ♪ 530 00:24:46,246 --> 00:24:50,203 ♪ Now you're trying to trick me in love ♪ 531 00:24:50,203 --> 00:24:53,957 ♪ All right now, baby ♪ 532 00:24:53,957 --> 00:24:57,722 ♪ It's all right now ♪ 533 00:24:57,722 --> 00:24:58,575 ♪ All right now, baby♪ 534 00:24:58,575 --> 00:25:00,751 - The Stones may have ignited something, 535 00:25:00,751 --> 00:25:04,036 but it was really Paul Rogers who was his great hero. 536 00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:06,201 He wanted to sing like Paul Rogers. 537 00:25:06,201 --> 00:25:08,974 The inside joke with people like Al Cooper 538 00:25:08,974 --> 00:25:11,193 who produced the Skynyrd albums was that 539 00:25:11,193 --> 00:25:14,499 on each one of those there had to be Free song 540 00:25:14,499 --> 00:25:18,830 a song in which Ronnie would try to sound like Paul Rogers. 541 00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:22,349 That was his (mumbles) ideal of what a rock-n-roll star 542 00:25:22,349 --> 00:25:23,427 would be. 543 00:25:23,427 --> 00:25:27,341 Here's a guy in the deep South and his hero is you know, 544 00:25:27,341 --> 00:25:28,888 across the pond. 545 00:25:28,888 --> 00:25:30,989 His sights were very broad even then. 546 00:25:30,989 --> 00:25:34,125 And it was very canny because that wasn't being done 547 00:25:34,125 --> 00:25:35,703 back then in Jacksonville. 548 00:25:35,703 --> 00:25:37,698 Even The Allman Brothers didn't sing that kind. 549 00:25:37,698 --> 00:25:40,492 They were a great blues band but they didn't emulate 550 00:25:40,492 --> 00:25:43,532 Paul Rogers or Mick Jagger. 551 00:25:43,532 --> 00:25:46,913 So this is a whole new thing that's coming with Skynyrd. 552 00:25:46,913 --> 00:25:49,217 It's taken a little time, but it's on the way. 553 00:25:49,217 --> 00:25:51,862 - [Voiceover] Quickly assimilating these influences 554 00:25:51,862 --> 00:25:55,073 hold up in the backwater isolation of Hell House 555 00:25:55,073 --> 00:25:58,021 Van Zant and the band began developing their own material. 556 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,166 - Let's say Gary Rossington and Allen went home 557 00:26:02,166 --> 00:26:04,811 and were just picking around on their guitars. 558 00:26:04,811 --> 00:26:06,976 We practice all day, they go home and clean up 559 00:26:06,976 --> 00:26:10,336 and play guitar and practicing. 560 00:26:10,336 --> 00:26:13,162 Well, they get into a groove, something really cool, 561 00:26:13,162 --> 00:26:16,639 you know, it's a whole measure, you know. 562 00:26:16,639 --> 00:26:19,242 And a whole measure, so it could be a song 563 00:26:19,242 --> 00:26:22,143 even with a cord some of them sometimes, 564 00:26:22,143 --> 00:26:26,030 a whole song right there and if the band liked it 565 00:26:26,921 --> 00:26:30,772 and Ronnie could dig it and put some words to it 566 00:26:30,772 --> 00:26:31,838 we'd keep it. 567 00:26:31,838 --> 00:26:34,510 Ronnie never wrote down one word to any song. 568 00:26:36,222 --> 00:26:38,878 If that don't freak y'all out, I don't know. 569 00:26:38,878 --> 00:26:41,555 Nobody's ever done that. 570 00:26:41,555 --> 00:26:45,885 Intricate songs and they'd ask him, 571 00:26:45,885 --> 00:26:48,989 "Ronnie, why don't you write it down?" 572 00:26:48,989 --> 00:26:52,893 And he'd say, "Look, if it ain't worth remembering 573 00:26:52,893 --> 00:26:54,391 "it ain't no good." 574 00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:56,744 - [Voiceover] With a clutch of self-penned tracks 575 00:26:56,744 --> 00:27:00,226 now in their arsenal in May 1969 the One Percent 576 00:27:00,226 --> 00:27:02,689 were offered their first stab at recording. 577 00:27:02,689 --> 00:27:05,542 Local manager, David Griffin seemed to capture the best 578 00:27:05,542 --> 00:27:08,790 of the up and coming Jacksonville acts on vinyl booked 579 00:27:08,790 --> 00:27:10,683 both Van Zants band and Larry Steele's 580 00:27:10,683 --> 00:27:12,592 new ensemble Black Bear Angel 581 00:27:12,592 --> 00:27:15,675 into Norm Vincent's studios to produce two promotional 582 00:27:15,675 --> 00:27:18,320 singles for Shade Tree Records. 583 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,471 - David Griffin was the one that set up the studio time 584 00:27:21,471 --> 00:27:25,141 for One Percent and Black Bear Angel. 585 00:27:25,141 --> 00:27:28,852 My band wasted time, Ronnie's did not. 586 00:27:28,852 --> 00:27:31,401 Ronnie went in there he knew exactly what he wanted to do. 587 00:27:31,401 --> 00:27:33,513 He took advantage of the situation. 588 00:27:33,513 --> 00:27:37,150 They put down two songs and the next thing you know 589 00:27:37,150 --> 00:27:41,705 he had TV exposure, a lot of air play and stuff like that. 590 00:27:41,705 --> 00:27:45,385 That was a big thing to their career. 591 00:27:45,385 --> 00:27:49,448 ♪ It's been so long since I been gone ♪ 592 00:27:49,448 --> 00:27:53,683 ♪ Lord I'm tired and want to go home ♪ 593 00:27:53,683 --> 00:27:57,458 ♪ I going strong but I'm singing the blues ♪ 594 00:27:57,458 --> 00:28:02,458 ♪ Need all my friends to talk to ♪ 595 00:28:03,367 --> 00:28:06,834 ♪ Now yes I do ♪ 596 00:28:06,834 --> 00:28:11,350 ♪ Need all my friends to talk to ♪ 597 00:28:16,811 --> 00:28:21,478 - Those were the days I enjoyed the most. 598 00:28:21,478 --> 00:28:24,486 These All My Friends, that was the first really 599 00:28:24,486 --> 00:28:29,486 professional one we just really grooved on. 600 00:28:29,547 --> 00:28:31,802 Everybody liked it, the crowd, my friends, 601 00:28:32,832 --> 00:28:36,885 and we like it, yeah, that was a pretty good time. 602 00:28:36,885 --> 00:28:40,431 The songs brought us joy, you know? 603 00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:48,665 ♪ Michelle, little girl I need you baby ♪ 604 00:28:48,665 --> 00:28:51,652 ♪ More than the air I breathe ♪ 605 00:28:51,652 --> 00:28:53,481 ♪ My love for you grows stronger, babe ♪ 606 00:28:53,481 --> 00:28:57,129 ♪ My words you must believe ♪ 607 00:28:57,129 --> 00:28:59,582 ♪ Well I need to see you laugh again ♪ 608 00:28:59,582 --> 00:29:02,558 ♪ And I want to see you smile ♪ 609 00:29:02,558 --> 00:29:04,617 ♪ Michelle, little girl I love you baby ♪ 610 00:29:04,617 --> 00:29:06,691 ♪ You're my only child ♪ 611 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,957 - To me I don't think they have a distinctive, original 612 00:29:16,957 --> 00:29:19,187 sound on this first single. 613 00:29:19,187 --> 00:29:22,802 They sound like the typical rock band of the day. 614 00:29:22,802 --> 00:29:25,441 Ronnie's voice is kind of Gregish. 615 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:31,068 I'm sure that they were all well aware of Greg and Dwayne 616 00:29:31,068 --> 00:29:35,366 from Daytona Beach and Gary told me 617 00:29:35,366 --> 00:29:37,627 that when he was 15 he was a massive 618 00:29:37,627 --> 00:29:39,718 Dickie Betts fan from Second Coming 619 00:29:39,718 --> 00:29:41,616 from before The Allman Brothers. 620 00:29:41,616 --> 00:29:45,930 They had been steeped in that Florida thing already, 621 00:29:46,917 --> 00:29:51,482 but in Allen Collins solo in Michelle I hear there's 622 00:29:51,482 --> 00:29:53,935 a little bit of that Free Bird thing already. 623 00:29:53,935 --> 00:29:58,935 Michelle is a lot like While My Guitar Gently Weeps, 624 00:29:59,012 --> 00:30:00,751 but a little more sped up. 625 00:30:00,751 --> 00:30:04,431 Allen Collins was a huge Johnny Winter fan. 626 00:30:04,431 --> 00:30:06,639 You really hear the Johnny Winter influence 627 00:30:06,639 --> 00:30:10,212 in his writing and his playing. 628 00:30:10,212 --> 00:30:11,880 (guitar music) 629 00:30:30,674 --> 00:30:33,148 Meet All My Friends and Michelle, I don't think they 630 00:30:33,148 --> 00:30:34,887 sound all that original. 631 00:30:34,887 --> 00:30:36,978 They sound fairly derivative. 632 00:30:36,978 --> 00:30:40,028 Based on those tracks you wouldn't really say 633 00:30:40,028 --> 00:30:42,119 this is a band that's going somewhere. 634 00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:44,465 I don't hear a lot of really original music. 635 00:30:44,465 --> 00:30:46,540 I hear a little bit of the Yardbirds. 636 00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:49,030 I hear impact of Cream. 637 00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:53,259 Other really British bands, but Ronnie Van Zant 638 00:30:53,259 --> 00:30:57,110 has a very distinctly Southern, American, country 639 00:30:57,110 --> 00:31:01,280 tinged voice and you can look back in retrospect 640 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,659 and hear the budding of something, but I don't think 641 00:31:03,659 --> 00:31:06,987 taken on their own those cuts sound like a band 642 00:31:06,987 --> 00:31:09,493 on the cusp of great originality. 643 00:31:09,493 --> 00:31:11,573 - [Voiceover] Yet, week by week the band 644 00:31:11,573 --> 00:31:14,005 were adding new songs to their set list and before 645 00:31:14,005 --> 00:31:16,735 the limited release of this single they changed their 646 00:31:16,735 --> 00:31:17,909 name once again. 647 00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:19,956 This time it would be permanent. 648 00:31:19,956 --> 00:31:22,026 In a bastardization of the name of their 649 00:31:22,026 --> 00:31:23,892 high school gym teacher, they became 650 00:31:23,892 --> 00:31:27,252 Lynyrd Skynyrd stepping out onto the Jacksonville Circuit 651 00:31:27,252 --> 00:31:30,473 with a fresh moniker and an ever expanding catalogue. 652 00:31:30,473 --> 00:31:33,918 By the end of 1969 they had their first break. 653 00:31:33,918 --> 00:31:36,958 An audition for Alan Walden, the brother of Capricorn 654 00:31:36,958 --> 00:31:40,163 Records founder, Phil who was looking to sign fresh talent. 655 00:31:41,182 --> 00:31:43,912 - My brother and I had seperated. 656 00:31:43,912 --> 00:31:48,552 I had gone out and auditioned 187 bands 657 00:31:48,552 --> 00:31:49,955 in one year. 658 00:31:49,955 --> 00:31:52,707 You know how many bands that is a week? 659 00:31:52,707 --> 00:31:54,200 Some of them I'd tape. 660 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,437 Some of them I'd video. 661 00:31:55,437 --> 00:31:57,613 Some of them in person, you know? 662 00:31:57,613 --> 00:32:00,632 But I was invited to come down to Jacksonville, Florida, 663 00:32:00,632 --> 00:32:04,554 and audition bands in a warehouse 664 00:32:04,554 --> 00:32:09,007 and a guy named Pat Armstrong, he had 13 bands lined up. 665 00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,682 Lynyrd Skynyrd was the last band that played that day. 666 00:32:12,682 --> 00:32:17,682 Allen Collins got down and flipped all over the floor 667 00:32:17,695 --> 00:32:20,340 and did all sort of stunts with the guitar. 668 00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:22,356 Played behind his head and everything. 669 00:32:22,356 --> 00:32:26,793 They were doing it, but they didn't stop. 670 00:32:26,793 --> 00:32:29,417 They kept going and driving. 671 00:32:29,417 --> 00:32:32,653 By the time they finished with Free Bird, I was blown away. 672 00:32:33,512 --> 00:32:37,320 I assigned them to management, production, publishing, 673 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,595 recording, all of it. 674 00:32:40,595 --> 00:32:44,301 - Alan Walden is probably one of the coolest people 675 00:32:44,301 --> 00:32:46,370 I have ever met. 676 00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:49,777 He used to ask, "Would you like for me to mange you." 677 00:32:50,615 --> 00:32:53,911 He says, "I'll take a shot with you." 678 00:32:53,911 --> 00:32:58,182 And I said, "Yes, yeah, let's try." 679 00:33:00,367 --> 00:33:05,174 Both parties had something to gain, nothing to lose. 680 00:33:05,174 --> 00:33:06,604 - [Voiceover] With a manager now looking 681 00:33:06,604 --> 00:33:08,971 after their interests the bands live schedule 682 00:33:08,971 --> 00:33:10,998 intensified over the following year. 683 00:33:10,998 --> 00:33:13,382 While Walden himself tried to secure Lynyrd Skynyrd 684 00:33:13,382 --> 00:33:16,187 recording time at Muscle Shoals Sound. 685 00:33:16,187 --> 00:33:18,886 This studio set up in Sheffield, Alabama, by the 686 00:33:18,886 --> 00:33:20,853 session musicians who had played along side 687 00:33:20,853 --> 00:33:24,298 Dwayne Allman at famed studios in the late 1960's 688 00:33:24,298 --> 00:33:26,741 was an emblem of the growing strength of the music 689 00:33:26,741 --> 00:33:28,874 industry in the South. 690 00:33:28,874 --> 00:33:30,655 As Phil Walden was building Capricorn 691 00:33:30,655 --> 00:33:33,492 and the Allman Brothers first album was being released 692 00:33:33,492 --> 00:33:36,116 these session musicians were recording The Rolling Stones 693 00:33:36,116 --> 00:33:39,102 in their isolated studio in rural Alabama. 694 00:33:39,102 --> 00:33:42,654 First trying to secure sessions for the close of 1970 695 00:33:42,654 --> 00:33:45,086 Walden finally managed to lock down a studio time 696 00:33:45,086 --> 00:33:48,617 in late June 1971 with guitarist turned producer 697 00:33:48,617 --> 00:33:50,131 Jimmy Johnson. 698 00:33:50,131 --> 00:33:52,147 Although for Ronnie Van Zant and his band mates 699 00:33:52,147 --> 00:33:55,234 it was an invaluable opportunity to prove their talents 700 00:33:55,234 --> 00:33:57,698 the sessions coincided with another unplanned 701 00:33:57,698 --> 00:33:59,288 personnel changes. 702 00:33:59,288 --> 00:34:01,826 Drummer Bob Burns left the band shortly before 703 00:34:01,826 --> 00:34:04,930 the recordings while days in bassist Larry Youngstrom 704 00:34:04,930 --> 00:34:07,511 was ejected from Skynyrd by manager Walden 705 00:34:07,511 --> 00:34:09,804 and they were replaced temporarily by two musicians 706 00:34:09,804 --> 00:34:13,121 from fellow Florida band Blackfoot, Ricky Medlock 707 00:34:13,121 --> 00:34:14,785 and Gary T. Walker. 708 00:34:14,785 --> 00:34:17,132 They were also joined in the studio by their roadie 709 00:34:17,132 --> 00:34:19,329 Billy Powell who Ronnie had only recently discovered 710 00:34:19,329 --> 00:34:22,123 was a pianist of some talent. 711 00:34:22,123 --> 00:34:24,854 Despite these unexpected set backs and new editions 712 00:34:24,854 --> 00:34:27,808 the young Jacksonville musicians took to the studio 713 00:34:27,808 --> 00:34:29,643 remarkably well. 714 00:34:29,643 --> 00:34:32,432 - Lynyrd Skynyrd, I didn't call them a natural talent band. 715 00:34:33,376 --> 00:34:37,291 They were a rehearsed talent band. 716 00:34:37,291 --> 00:34:40,229 Without rehearsals they would have been a weak band, 717 00:34:40,229 --> 00:34:44,457 but these guys went to, every Monday through Friday 718 00:34:45,402 --> 00:34:50,052 they went to Hidden Hills every day, so they were 719 00:34:50,052 --> 00:34:53,038 well rehearsed when the came to Muscle Shoals 720 00:34:53,038 --> 00:34:55,534 all Jim and them had to do was get the balances 721 00:34:55,534 --> 00:34:59,384 and the tones and let these guys go to work, you know? 722 00:34:59,384 --> 00:35:02,024 And maybe suggest something about the arrangement 723 00:35:02,024 --> 00:35:03,709 but very little. 724 00:35:03,709 --> 00:35:05,971 Jimmy Johnson and Roger Hawkins 725 00:35:05,971 --> 00:35:09,202 and those guys, Barry Baker all of them 726 00:35:09,202 --> 00:35:12,008 they taught Lynyrd Skynyrd how to record, 727 00:35:12,008 --> 00:35:14,657 how to really record, you know? 728 00:35:16,690 --> 00:35:18,957 Did I think their recordings were good? 729 00:35:18,957 --> 00:35:19,820 I do. 730 00:35:19,820 --> 00:35:22,316 I think they were excellent recordings. 731 00:35:22,316 --> 00:35:23,852 - [Voiceover] With the recordings in place 732 00:35:23,852 --> 00:35:25,409 Skynyrd hit the road hard 733 00:35:25,409 --> 00:35:27,681 for the remainder of 1971. 734 00:35:27,681 --> 00:35:30,945 Playing further afield venues in Georgia and South Carolina, 735 00:35:30,945 --> 00:35:33,900 alongside their regular shows in their home town. 736 00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:36,549 In the new year drummer, Bob Burns returned to the band. 737 00:35:37,409 --> 00:35:39,979 Shortly afterwards they brought in a new bassist, 738 00:35:39,979 --> 00:35:42,912 Leon Wilkeson who years before played alongside 739 00:35:42,912 --> 00:35:45,824 another Van Zant, Ronnie's younger brother Donny 740 00:35:45,824 --> 00:35:48,416 In high school band The Collegiates. 741 00:35:48,416 --> 00:35:50,246 After grueling rehearsals with this lineup 742 00:35:50,246 --> 00:35:53,605 at Hell House in September 1972 Skynyrd returned 743 00:35:53,605 --> 00:35:57,066 to the studio in Alabama, to record six new compositions. 744 00:35:58,096 --> 00:36:00,543 Although the final collection of Muscle Shoals tracks 745 00:36:00,543 --> 00:36:03,263 was passed around record companies following the completion 746 00:36:03,263 --> 00:36:05,471 of these sessions, they would not be heard by the public 747 00:36:05,471 --> 00:36:09,012 until 1978 when they were issued as the LP, 748 00:36:09,012 --> 00:36:11,135 Skynyrd's First And Last. 749 00:36:11,135 --> 00:36:13,513 - You're hearing the pieces in place 750 00:36:13,513 --> 00:36:15,753 and they're getting there. 751 00:36:15,753 --> 00:36:17,268 Most of the picture's there. 752 00:36:17,268 --> 00:36:18,462 I think it's impressive. 753 00:36:18,462 --> 00:36:21,577 I think in a very short amount of time they did 754 00:36:21,577 --> 00:36:24,286 develop their own sound and the song, 755 00:36:24,286 --> 00:36:26,905 Down South Jukin turned this country 756 00:36:26,905 --> 00:36:30,920 honkey-tonk, but rocked up thing. 757 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,042 You don't really hear that in any of The Allman Brothers 758 00:36:33,042 --> 00:36:35,751 music at all, but Skynyrd is kind of defined 759 00:36:35,751 --> 00:36:40,019 by shit-kicking music, you know, 760 00:36:40,019 --> 00:36:41,950 for lack of another term. 761 00:36:41,950 --> 00:36:43,661 I think you hear it right away. 762 00:36:50,259 --> 00:36:55,259 ♪ Well Billy Joe told me, said every thing's lookin' fine ♪ 763 00:36:57,565 --> 00:37:02,565 ♪ He got the place all secured, got the icebox full of wine ♪ 764 00:37:04,829 --> 00:37:08,434 ♪ He said, "Hurry on over and don't be late" ♪ 765 00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:12,540 ♪ He got three lovely ladies who just won't wait ♪ 766 00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:14,449 ♪ Do some down south jukin' ♪ 767 00:37:14,449 --> 00:37:19,449 ♪ And lookin' for a peace of mind ♪ 768 00:37:19,452 --> 00:37:20,262 ♪ Now put your Sunday pants on ♪ 769 00:37:20,262 --> 00:37:22,256 - They were great recordings. 770 00:37:22,256 --> 00:37:25,179 They were a juking band, right up my alley. 771 00:37:25,179 --> 00:37:27,536 I mean this was right up my alley, man. 772 00:37:27,536 --> 00:37:29,579 I been jukin with Johnny Taylor, 773 00:37:29,579 --> 00:37:31,722 who''s making love to you're old lady, 774 00:37:31,722 --> 00:37:33,743 all that, for years. 775 00:37:33,743 --> 00:37:36,293 Here's this white rock-n-roll band 776 00:37:36,293 --> 00:37:37,829 just jamming. 777 00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:41,679 They're getting it on, and an original song. 778 00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:44,132 ♪ Wino on the street. ♪ 779 00:37:44,132 --> 00:37:46,361 ♪ Drinkin' a bottle of booze ♪ 780 00:37:46,361 --> 00:37:48,633 ♪ Ain't got nothing to say, yeah ♪ 781 00:37:48,633 --> 00:37:50,990 ♪ And he don't got much to lose ♪ 782 00:37:50,990 --> 00:37:53,347 ♪ Times are on his face. ♪ 783 00:37:53,347 --> 00:37:55,705 ♪ Blisters on his brain ♪ 784 00:37:55,705 --> 00:37:58,104 ♪ Wonders who's at fault. ♪ 785 00:37:58,104 --> 00:38:03,104 ♪ Knows that he's to blame ♪ 786 00:38:06,045 --> 00:38:07,148 ♪ Yeah ♪ 787 00:38:10,034 --> 00:38:12,289 - Muscle Shoals was a great studio, 788 00:38:13,127 --> 00:38:15,996 but whoever recorded at Muscle Shoals needed 789 00:38:15,996 --> 00:38:17,330 a producer. 790 00:38:17,330 --> 00:38:20,007 The studio was fantastic, the acoustics unbelievable, 791 00:38:20,007 --> 00:38:23,697 but they have to rely on Jimmy Johnson as the producer 792 00:38:23,697 --> 00:38:27,270 and he's a great musician, a great, you know, owner 793 00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:30,033 of a studio, but he's not a great producer. 794 00:38:30,033 --> 00:38:33,195 He just gets it on tape, so again 795 00:38:33,195 --> 00:38:35,488 if you know Skynyrd's music 796 00:38:35,488 --> 00:38:36,736 from later on you can go back and listen 797 00:38:36,736 --> 00:38:40,288 to those Muscle Shoals tapes and hear all the great stuff 798 00:38:40,288 --> 00:38:42,667 that would be, that would come out of it, 799 00:38:42,667 --> 00:38:44,495 but at the time it just sounded like demos. 800 00:38:45,610 --> 00:38:47,509 - [Voiceover] Whatever the quality of the recordings 801 00:38:47,509 --> 00:38:49,418 it was the band and their songs themselves 802 00:38:49,418 --> 00:38:51,957 that Alan Walden struggled to push. 803 00:38:51,957 --> 00:38:54,356 Armed with the Muscle Shoals album he traveled 804 00:38:54,356 --> 00:38:56,415 to Los Angeles with Jimmy Johnson and arranged 805 00:38:56,415 --> 00:38:59,647 several meetings with record company executives. 806 00:38:59,647 --> 00:39:01,956 Yet, the reaction was in most cases was overwhelmingly 807 00:39:01,956 --> 00:39:04,911 negative, and after two years as their manager 808 00:39:04,911 --> 00:39:07,545 Walden was running out of both money and options 809 00:39:07,545 --> 00:39:09,849 in his attempts to break the band. 810 00:39:09,849 --> 00:39:14,849 - Those first three years were hard, hard, hard work. 811 00:39:14,947 --> 00:39:17,955 Lynyrd Skynyrd was turned down by nine different 812 00:39:17,955 --> 00:39:19,619 major record companies. 813 00:39:19,619 --> 00:39:24,120 Turned down, not we like you guys but the songs are weak. 814 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,760 I'm talking about, we are not interested. (laughs) 815 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,032 It's like don't send us any more tapes. 816 00:39:31,032 --> 00:39:32,898 We don't want you, you know. 817 00:39:32,898 --> 00:39:35,085 That just broke my heart. 818 00:39:35,085 --> 00:39:38,189 I'm sitting there listening to Gimme Three Steps, 819 00:39:38,189 --> 00:39:41,900 Simple Man, Free Bird, you know. 820 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:44,486 These are great songs and we were being turned down. 821 00:39:45,484 --> 00:39:48,663 My own brother turned Lynyrd Skynyrd down, you know. 822 00:39:48,663 --> 00:39:51,841 At Grand Slammers, he heard them there 823 00:39:51,841 --> 00:39:55,062 and I asked him afterwards what he thought he said, 824 00:39:55,062 --> 00:39:57,867 "You're lead singer's too cocky. 825 00:39:57,867 --> 00:40:01,099 "He can't sing and the songs are weak. 826 00:40:01,099 --> 00:40:03,269 "And they sound too much like The Allman Brothers." 827 00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:09,103 I'm standing there listening to him and he walks away 828 00:40:10,197 --> 00:40:12,608 and I'm walking this way and Ronnie stops me and said, 829 00:40:12,608 --> 00:40:13,557 "What'd he say, man?" 830 00:40:13,557 --> 00:40:15,573 And i said, "Nothing important." 831 00:40:15,573 --> 00:40:17,450 All of the major record companies said they sounded 832 00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:19,477 too much like The Allman Brothers. 833 00:40:19,477 --> 00:40:22,090 You take a Lynyrd Skynyrd record and play it back-to-back 834 00:40:22,090 --> 00:40:25,215 to an Allman Brothers record and tell me what are they 835 00:40:25,215 --> 00:40:27,988 similar, they're Southern bands, you know. 836 00:40:27,988 --> 00:40:30,772 They've got a massive guitar line-up. 837 00:40:30,772 --> 00:40:32,532 Great guitar work, you know, 838 00:40:32,532 --> 00:40:36,605 but what else to they have really in common? 839 00:40:37,859 --> 00:40:40,088 - [Voiceover] By late 1972 when Walden was 840 00:40:40,088 --> 00:40:42,456 attempting to attract major label interest 841 00:40:42,456 --> 00:40:44,429 The Allman Brothers were no longer simply 842 00:40:44,429 --> 00:40:46,157 a Southern phenomenon. 843 00:40:46,157 --> 00:40:48,600 Despite the tragic death of their driving force, 844 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,437 Dwayne Allman, with the release of their third album, 845 00:40:51,437 --> 00:40:54,893 Live at the Fillmore East in 1971 and Eat A Peach 846 00:40:54,893 --> 00:40:57,463 the following year, they had been propelled into 847 00:40:57,463 --> 00:41:00,194 the top flight both critically and commercially. 848 00:41:00,194 --> 00:41:02,530 The negative comparisons to the band were 849 00:41:02,530 --> 00:41:04,535 damaging for Skynyrd and Alan Walden 850 00:41:04,535 --> 00:41:07,084 began to actively distance himself and his group 851 00:41:07,084 --> 00:41:09,590 from both the Allmans and Capricorn. 852 00:41:09,590 --> 00:41:11,734 Yet, although his brother Phil was uninterested 853 00:41:11,734 --> 00:41:14,667 in the Jacksonville act, his colleague and promoter 854 00:41:14,667 --> 00:41:18,373 Alex Hodges was far more intrigued by them. 855 00:41:18,373 --> 00:41:21,302 - I call up Alan and say, "I want to know about your band." 856 00:41:21,302 --> 00:41:24,049 He said, "Well, they're probably not going to sign with you 857 00:41:24,049 --> 00:41:27,120 "as a booking agent for two or three reasons. 858 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,192 "One, you represent The Allman Brothers Band. 859 00:41:30,192 --> 00:41:34,768 "Two, you're in partnership with my brother. 860 00:41:34,768 --> 00:41:37,637 "and your best friends with my brother, 861 00:41:37,637 --> 00:41:40,218 "and I'll think of a third reason 862 00:41:40,218 --> 00:41:43,898 "and we're just not going to sign with you." 863 00:41:43,898 --> 00:41:48,250 I said, "Alan, who's the best agent you know?" 864 00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:49,370 He said, "You are." 865 00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:52,164 I said, "So we've got to talk." (laughs) 866 00:41:52,164 --> 00:41:53,545 I went to see them in Atlanta. 867 00:41:53,545 --> 00:41:55,316 Alan introduced me. 868 00:41:55,316 --> 00:41:56,734 Saw their whole show. 869 00:41:56,734 --> 00:41:58,121 It was fantastic. 870 00:41:58,121 --> 00:42:02,227 I met them in a hotel and I think Allen Collins 871 00:42:02,227 --> 00:42:05,342 probably said, "So we might sign with you. 872 00:42:05,342 --> 00:42:07,891 "We want two shows with The Allman Brothers Band, 873 00:42:07,891 --> 00:42:10,387 "but we don't want you to be putting us on tour 874 00:42:10,387 --> 00:42:12,403 "with The Allman Brothers Band. 875 00:42:12,403 --> 00:42:13,288 "They do their thing. 876 00:42:13,288 --> 00:42:14,227 "We do our thing. 877 00:42:14,227 --> 00:42:17,778 "They're obviously enormously successful, 878 00:42:17,778 --> 00:42:20,776 "and we just want to be sure though, 879 00:42:20,776 --> 00:42:24,684 "that we play with them a few times, 880 00:42:25,698 --> 00:42:28,066 "but you've got to figure out how to break us 881 00:42:28,066 --> 00:42:29,020 "on the road. 882 00:42:29,922 --> 00:42:31,799 "Give us our sense of independence 883 00:42:31,799 --> 00:42:32,855 "on the road." 884 00:42:32,855 --> 00:42:34,700 It was an independent nature, 885 00:42:35,943 --> 00:42:38,198 probably of most great bands. 886 00:42:39,185 --> 00:42:41,905 I felt I saw that and it was expressed 887 00:42:41,905 --> 00:42:45,361 in their words when I first met them. 888 00:42:45,361 --> 00:42:47,643 But we hit it off, and it was great. 889 00:42:47,643 --> 00:42:49,424 - [Voiceover] Hodges respected Skynyrd's wish 890 00:42:49,424 --> 00:42:51,611 to only play on the same bill as The Allman Brothers 891 00:42:51,611 --> 00:42:52,656 on occasion. 892 00:42:52,656 --> 00:42:55,099 Although towards the end of 1972 he did arrange 893 00:42:55,099 --> 00:42:57,360 the first of these shows in Macon, Georgia, 894 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,760 in which the Jacksonville ensemble held their own 895 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,612 supporting the Capricorn Headliners on their home turf. 896 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,413 Van Zant and his band mates had been gaining 897 00:43:05,413 --> 00:43:08,410 the most traction as a live tour in Atlanta, however, 898 00:43:08,410 --> 00:43:10,415 where they had been booked to support Bob Seger 899 00:43:10,415 --> 00:43:13,092 and his band at the club The Head Rest, but also managed 900 00:43:13,092 --> 00:43:15,695 to secure a residency at a more run down venue 901 00:43:15,695 --> 00:43:17,604 called Funocchio's. 902 00:43:17,604 --> 00:43:20,494 It was here that they finally caught a break. 903 00:43:20,494 --> 00:43:22,414 - When we got into Atlanta there was a club 904 00:43:22,414 --> 00:43:24,025 called Funocchio's. 905 00:43:24,025 --> 00:43:25,501 Fruit and nut bar all the way. 906 00:43:26,893 --> 00:43:29,538 More drug addicts than any other club 907 00:43:29,538 --> 00:43:30,652 in the whole city. 908 00:43:31,575 --> 00:43:34,886 I told the Skynyrd guys, "If you can entertain, 909 00:43:35,746 --> 00:43:39,297 "these drug heads and these junkies, then you can 910 00:43:39,297 --> 00:43:42,817 "entertain the world, cos some of these guys are coming 911 00:43:42,817 --> 00:43:46,348 "in there and they need something and they don't want 912 00:43:46,348 --> 00:43:49,739 "to hear nothing and if you can entertain them, 913 00:43:49,739 --> 00:43:51,841 "you can entertain the world." 914 00:43:51,841 --> 00:43:54,998 And we stayed right there in Funocchio's. 915 00:43:54,998 --> 00:43:59,168 We played there probably seven or eight times. 916 00:43:59,168 --> 00:44:01,888 - The first time we came down and played for a week 917 00:44:01,888 --> 00:44:05,205 we got laughed at, we got laughed at. 918 00:44:05,205 --> 00:44:08,277 And they said, "Who in the hell are these hillbillies? 919 00:44:08,277 --> 00:44:11,605 "What in the hell is this hillbilly stuff?" 920 00:44:11,605 --> 00:44:13,807 But then they give us another chance. 921 00:44:14,842 --> 00:44:17,348 It started catching on, catching on, 922 00:44:17,348 --> 00:44:19,972 catching on, you know. 923 00:44:19,972 --> 00:44:22,926 Before we knew it every time we packed 924 00:44:22,926 --> 00:44:26,963 Funocchio's which would hold 400, 500 people 925 00:44:28,067 --> 00:44:29,422 we'd pack it out. 926 00:44:29,422 --> 00:44:32,174 Ain't nobody dancing, ain't nobody up there 927 00:44:32,174 --> 00:44:35,848 at the bar getting drinks, all around the stage. 928 00:44:36,694 --> 00:44:39,213 - They worked, and they worked, and they worked, 929 00:44:39,213 --> 00:44:41,944 and they always were better every time you heard them 930 00:44:41,944 --> 00:44:43,213 they got better. 931 00:44:43,213 --> 00:44:45,570 You knew there was something there, something was 932 00:44:45,570 --> 00:44:47,654 going to happen and you could just see it. 933 00:44:47,654 --> 00:44:49,730 The first time I knew they were gonna make it big 934 00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:52,364 I was with them in Atlanta, Georgia. 935 00:44:52,364 --> 00:44:53,819 There's a place called The Head Rest. 936 00:44:54,913 --> 00:44:57,904 There were stages at each end of the dance floor. 937 00:44:58,796 --> 00:45:01,068 The other band played, they played a lot of Top-40 938 00:45:01,068 --> 00:45:03,190 stuff and everything and all the kids were packing 939 00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:05,259 the dance floor and dancing and everything. 940 00:45:05,259 --> 00:45:07,354 When they finished their sets Skynyrd played. 941 00:45:09,302 --> 00:45:13,637 Well, one night, Skynyrd started the set with Simple Man 942 00:45:14,635 --> 00:45:16,843 and all the people were still on the dance floor 943 00:45:16,843 --> 00:45:20,634 from the other band playing and nobody left the dance floor. 944 00:45:22,048 --> 00:45:23,097 Nobody danced. 945 00:45:23,957 --> 00:45:27,402 They just stood there motionless and stared at them 946 00:45:27,402 --> 00:45:30,836 and everybody in the club, when you looked around the club 947 00:45:30,836 --> 00:45:33,545 was staring at them and you could've if not for the band 948 00:45:33,545 --> 00:45:35,988 you could've heard a pin drop because everybody 949 00:45:35,988 --> 00:45:40,660 was tuned into Lynyrd Skynyrd and that was the first time 950 00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:44,371 I knew, yeah these guys have got it. 951 00:45:44,371 --> 00:45:45,773 They're gonna make it. 952 00:45:46,782 --> 00:45:48,766 - [Voiceover] The crucial figure would recognize Skynyrd's 953 00:45:48,766 --> 00:45:51,272 potential and take them into the next level witnessed the 954 00:45:51,272 --> 00:45:53,949 band playing at Funocchio's during their second residency 955 00:45:53,949 --> 00:45:56,397 at the club in January 1973. 956 00:45:57,618 --> 00:45:59,848 Al Kooper had been involved in the music industry 957 00:45:59,848 --> 00:46:02,493 since his early teens as first a musician and then 958 00:46:02,493 --> 00:46:05,767 song writer and in the mid to late '60s was a key figure 959 00:46:05,767 --> 00:46:08,380 on the East Coast scene playing in multiple sessions 960 00:46:08,380 --> 00:46:11,026 with Bob Dylan, Steven Stills, The Rolling Stones 961 00:46:11,026 --> 00:46:14,497 and The Who and forming the band, Blood, Sweat and Tears. 962 00:46:15,879 --> 00:46:19,708 In 1972 he had temporarily relocated to Georgia to work 963 00:46:19,708 --> 00:46:22,321 with The Atlanta Rhythm Section at their newly opened 964 00:46:22,321 --> 00:46:24,896 studio in Doraville, Studio one. 965 00:46:25,862 --> 00:46:28,912 During his time off in Atlanta he had by chance begun 966 00:46:28,912 --> 00:46:32,101 frequenting Funniccio's at the turn of 1973 967 00:46:32,101 --> 00:46:33,936 and was there to witness Lynyrd Skynyrd 968 00:46:33,936 --> 00:46:37,061 in all their glory during their week long residency. 969 00:46:37,061 --> 00:46:39,333 By the third night he was joining them on stage 970 00:46:39,333 --> 00:46:41,903 and was eager to develop a working relationship 971 00:46:41,903 --> 00:46:44,431 with Van Zant and his band mates. 972 00:46:44,431 --> 00:46:47,838 - Just sounded great, just had a great sound. 973 00:46:48,740 --> 00:46:52,495 The thing that we had in common was we were 974 00:46:52,495 --> 00:46:57,284 both gigantic fans of the band Free 975 00:46:57,284 --> 00:46:59,614 and that's what really made it work 976 00:47:00,658 --> 00:47:04,770 because they understood what was great 977 00:47:04,770 --> 00:47:09,249 about Free and I understood that and I heard 978 00:47:09,249 --> 00:47:11,953 the Free in them. 979 00:47:11,953 --> 00:47:15,468 Ronnie was not as great a singer as Paul Rogers, 980 00:47:15,468 --> 00:47:20,080 but he wrote those songs and he had a sound. 981 00:47:21,132 --> 00:47:25,264 Paul Rogers was influenced by a lot of soul singers. 982 00:47:26,491 --> 00:47:29,763 and Ronnie didn't have that voice, 983 00:47:29,763 --> 00:47:32,495 so he just did his thing. 984 00:47:32,495 --> 00:47:34,367 And he sounded like Ronnie. 985 00:47:34,367 --> 00:47:36,627 - [Voiceover] Kooper's response to this explosion 986 00:47:36,627 --> 00:47:38,665 to Skynyrd was incredibly committed. 987 00:47:38,665 --> 00:47:40,759 Within days he decided to introduce their music 988 00:47:40,759 --> 00:47:44,644 to MCA Records who allowed him to set up his own label, 989 00:47:44,644 --> 00:47:47,706 Sound Of The South in order to represent Skynyrd 990 00:47:47,706 --> 00:47:50,405 and any other Southern acts he could discover. 991 00:47:50,405 --> 00:47:52,376 Although the terms of the contract that Kooper 992 00:47:52,376 --> 00:47:54,687 presented them with were poor, offering only 993 00:47:54,687 --> 00:47:58,453 a $9000 advance, both Skynyrd and Alan Walden knew 994 00:47:58,453 --> 00:48:00,737 that as Capricorn had shown no interest 995 00:48:00,737 --> 00:48:03,624 this was the only other horse in town. 996 00:48:03,624 --> 00:48:06,557 - If Capricorn turned you down 997 00:48:06,557 --> 00:48:09,256 you were through down there 998 00:48:09,256 --> 00:48:11,637 because there was nothing like it. 999 00:48:11,637 --> 00:48:12,932 I mean it was South 1000 00:48:13,831 --> 00:48:16,686 for white bands. 1001 00:48:17,598 --> 00:48:20,566 Alan Walden really didn't have to do anything 1002 00:48:20,566 --> 00:48:23,558 because there was really no choice. 1003 00:48:23,558 --> 00:48:27,360 They'd been to Muscle Shoals and nothing happened 1004 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,498 with that. 1005 00:48:28,498 --> 00:48:33,498 I already had the makings of a deal with MCA. 1006 00:48:33,637 --> 00:48:37,958 - Al Kooper was a last resort. 1007 00:48:41,065 --> 00:48:44,749 When I knew that Lynyrd Skynyrd could not take 1008 00:48:44,749 --> 00:48:46,818 another year of starving to death. 1009 00:48:47,765 --> 00:48:51,355 When I knew that I was ready to sign a deal 1010 00:48:51,355 --> 00:48:53,572 with almost anybody at that point 1011 00:48:53,572 --> 00:48:55,227 because it was gonna mean 1012 00:48:55,227 --> 00:48:57,984 the salvation of the band. 1013 00:48:57,984 --> 00:49:00,248 If I'd told them they were going to play bars 1014 00:49:00,248 --> 00:49:02,818 for another year and a 1/2, two years 1015 00:49:02,818 --> 00:49:04,672 the band probably would've broke up. 1016 00:49:04,672 --> 00:49:08,790 - We were getting nowhere and Ronnie called me one night 1017 00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:12,111 and said, "Someone broke into our van and took a lot 1018 00:49:12,111 --> 00:49:13,772 "of our stuff. 1019 00:49:13,772 --> 00:49:14,781 "We can't work. 1020 00:49:14,781 --> 00:49:16,365 "We can't put food on the table. 1021 00:49:16,365 --> 00:49:19,912 "We need an advance of $5000." 1022 00:49:21,727 --> 00:49:24,460 I said, "You want me to mail it or you want 1023 00:49:24,460 --> 00:49:25,954 "to come up and get it?" 1024 00:49:27,769 --> 00:49:31,066 And he said, "You can mail it 1025 00:49:31,066 --> 00:49:34,519 "and you just bought yourself a band." 1026 00:49:35,466 --> 00:49:37,801 - When they got ready to sign their record deal 1027 00:49:37,801 --> 00:49:40,444 with Sounds Of The South which was Al Kooper's label 1028 00:49:41,473 --> 00:49:44,547 had the recording contract laid out on the hood 1029 00:49:44,547 --> 00:49:47,481 of my Ford pick-up truck in the parking lot 1030 00:49:47,481 --> 00:49:50,778 of the Macon Coliseum, okay. 1031 00:49:50,778 --> 00:49:54,344 I laid out all the contracts for them to sign 1032 00:49:54,344 --> 00:49:57,360 and Ronnie picks up the pen and he looks at me 1033 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,871 and he said, "Alan, what do you think of our record deal?" 1034 00:50:02,358 --> 00:50:04,798 My reply was, "This is the worst piece of shit 1035 00:50:04,798 --> 00:50:06,289 "I've ever seen in my life. 1036 00:50:06,289 --> 00:50:09,448 "It's worse than R&B contracts that we have." 1037 00:50:10,442 --> 00:50:12,519 He said, "What else we got?" 1038 00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:13,692 I said, "Nothing." 1039 00:50:13,692 --> 00:50:15,933 He said, "Give me that God damn pen." 1040 00:50:15,933 --> 00:50:17,059 And he signed it. 1041 00:50:17,059 --> 00:50:19,312 - [Voiceover] Having finally landing a recording contract 1042 00:50:19,312 --> 00:50:23,032 no matter the compromises involved, the band set 1043 00:50:23,032 --> 00:50:25,636 about preparing to record their debut album. 1044 00:50:25,636 --> 00:50:28,288 Yet, unexpectedly this opportunity caused bassist 1045 00:50:28,288 --> 00:50:31,350 Leon Wilkeson to question his commitment to Skynyrd 1046 00:50:31,350 --> 00:50:32,644 and he quit the band. 1047 00:50:33,509 --> 00:50:35,293 With the recording sessions due to begin 1048 00:50:35,293 --> 00:50:37,862 in March, rather than enlist a player from the Jacksonville 1049 00:50:37,862 --> 00:50:41,283 pool Ronnie Van Zant turned to an experienced musician 1050 00:50:41,283 --> 00:50:43,371 who they had toured with three years before hand 1051 00:50:43,371 --> 00:50:46,519 as a support act, Californian guitarist, Ed King. 1052 00:50:47,654 --> 00:50:50,693 - I think it was back in 1970 I was with a band called 1053 00:50:50,693 --> 00:50:52,312 The Strawberry Alarm Clock. 1054 00:50:52,312 --> 00:50:54,870 We had a number one record in 1967. 1055 00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:58,002 In 1970 our old manager put together a bogus 1056 00:50:58,002 --> 00:51:00,799 Strawberry Alarm Clock and started booking 1057 00:51:00,799 --> 00:51:03,697 tours in the South, all these Souther colleges and stuff. 1058 00:51:03,697 --> 00:51:04,788 We found out. 1059 00:51:04,788 --> 00:51:07,803 We filed an injunction him to stop him 1060 00:51:07,803 --> 00:51:10,115 and then we decided well, were bankrupt, let's go ahead 1061 00:51:10,115 --> 00:51:12,919 and do the tour our self, so our first gig, 1062 00:51:12,919 --> 00:51:15,535 I think we met down in Jacksonville, Florida, 1063 00:51:15,535 --> 00:51:18,316 and the guys in Skynyrd were our opening band. 1064 00:51:18,316 --> 00:51:21,202 The band was good and Ronnie was spectacular. 1065 00:51:21,202 --> 00:51:23,983 He just had a charisma all of his own 1066 00:51:23,983 --> 00:51:26,306 and I told Ronnie later I said, "If you ever need 1067 00:51:26,306 --> 00:51:29,533 "another guitar player or bass player, you know, 1068 00:51:29,533 --> 00:51:30,741 "don't forget about about me. 1069 00:51:30,741 --> 00:51:31,903 "I'd love to play with you." 1070 00:51:31,903 --> 00:51:34,484 - Leon got kind of scared of a record deal 1071 00:51:34,484 --> 00:51:37,746 and didn't really know if he wanted to be 1072 00:51:37,746 --> 00:51:40,210 go through all that being famous routine 1073 00:51:40,210 --> 00:51:42,991 or whatever it was the work that followed the commitment, 1074 00:51:42,991 --> 00:51:46,651 so he quit and went to work at an ice cream factory 1075 00:51:46,651 --> 00:51:49,373 and then I joined the band on bass. 1076 00:51:49,373 --> 00:51:50,828 It was a real shock to me. 1077 00:51:50,828 --> 00:51:52,612 I had to really try and get used to it. 1078 00:51:52,612 --> 00:51:55,862 I didn't really hear my bass playing 1079 00:51:55,862 --> 00:51:57,035 with this band. 1080 00:51:57,035 --> 00:51:58,689 For some reason it was a different style 1081 00:51:58,689 --> 00:52:01,200 than I was used to, so I had an awkward time. 1082 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,878 - [Voiceover] In preparation for the upcoming 1083 00:52:02,878 --> 00:52:05,401 studio sessions, King was thrust into Skynyrd's world 1084 00:52:05,401 --> 00:52:07,947 beginning with intensive rehearsals at Hell House 1085 00:52:07,947 --> 00:52:10,191 in which he was initiated into the band. 1086 00:52:11,044 --> 00:52:13,086 - Long before I joined the band somebody came up 1087 00:52:13,086 --> 00:52:15,127 in a boat late at night and stole a couple of amps, 1088 00:52:15,127 --> 00:52:17,427 so every night somebody had to stay there, 1089 00:52:17,427 --> 00:52:19,680 but my initiation for the first week was to spend 1090 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,522 every night there for the first week. 1091 00:52:21,522 --> 00:52:24,021 So here I am the first night there, they all leave. 1092 00:52:24,021 --> 00:52:27,376 I'm out with a bag of potato chips and a couple of Cokes, 1093 00:52:27,376 --> 00:52:31,952 you know, and I have two at least maybe 150 watt 1094 00:52:31,952 --> 00:52:34,393 light bulbs hanging from the ceiling and they stay on 1095 00:52:34,393 --> 00:52:39,393 all night long because the sounds outside are unbelievable. 1096 00:52:39,450 --> 00:52:42,359 I mean, one time an alligator came up on shore. 1097 00:52:42,359 --> 00:52:44,319 The guy who owned the house way up front 1098 00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:46,423 had to come up with a rifle and shoot it in the head. 1099 00:52:48,496 --> 00:52:51,022 That week was absolutely terrifying. 1100 00:52:52,145 --> 00:52:54,116 - [Voiceover] Outside of this initiation, King also had 1101 00:52:54,116 --> 00:52:57,026 more significant hurdles to overcome. 1102 00:52:57,026 --> 00:53:00,534 Having already enjoyed chart success in the late 1960s 1103 00:53:00,534 --> 00:53:03,103 he had to adapt himself to Ronnie Van Zant's often 1104 00:53:03,103 --> 00:53:05,779 oppressive leadership of the ensemble while also 1105 00:53:05,779 --> 00:53:09,099 ingratiating himself with the rest of the band 1106 00:53:09,099 --> 00:53:11,176 in which he was the first non-Southerner. 1107 00:53:11,176 --> 00:53:13,358 Ronnie and I had a disagreement where he told me 1108 00:53:13,358 --> 00:53:14,555 he was the leader of the band. 1109 00:53:14,555 --> 00:53:16,280 I said something that everybody around 1110 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,492 that I disagreed with and he pulled me aside 1111 00:53:20,492 --> 00:53:23,886 and made it extremely clear (laughs) 1112 00:53:24,974 --> 00:53:27,203 that it was his band and if I didn't like it 1113 00:53:27,203 --> 00:53:29,526 there was the door and it was gonna be done his way. 1114 00:53:29,526 --> 00:53:30,629 And I said, "That's fine." 1115 00:53:30,629 --> 00:53:34,982 I said, "As long as I can just throw in my two cents." 1116 00:53:34,982 --> 00:53:37,153 He said, "That's okay, I just want you to understand, 1117 00:53:37,153 --> 00:53:38,408 "this is going to be my way." 1118 00:53:38,408 --> 00:53:41,365 No problem, I never had a problem with that. 1119 00:53:41,365 --> 00:53:45,765 If you want to get a glimpse of me integrating 1120 00:53:45,765 --> 00:53:47,888 with the band, here it is. 1121 00:53:47,888 --> 00:53:50,082 In the box set there's a picture of us standing 1122 00:53:50,082 --> 00:53:51,350 in front of Hell House. 1123 00:53:51,350 --> 00:53:53,555 You've got six guys on one side of the door 1124 00:53:53,555 --> 00:53:56,629 and me on the other and that says it all. 1125 00:53:56,629 --> 00:54:00,032 It was difficult and I was invited there by Ronnie, 1126 00:54:00,032 --> 00:54:01,842 but the other guys really didn't want me there. 1127 00:54:05,758 --> 00:54:09,841 - [Voiceover] On March 27, 1973 the band entered Studio one 1128 00:54:09,841 --> 00:54:12,856 in Doraville to begin recording their debut album 1129 00:54:12,856 --> 00:54:15,696 with Ed Kind on board and ex-roadie, Billy Powell 1130 00:54:15,696 --> 00:54:18,382 now a permanent member of the group on piano. 1131 00:54:18,382 --> 00:54:20,940 Al Kooper himself decided to produce the record 1132 00:54:20,940 --> 00:54:23,435 and the peculiarities of the band he had only seen 1133 00:54:23,435 --> 00:54:26,380 perform live were immediately revealed to him. 1134 00:54:26,380 --> 00:54:30,310 - When started working with them I discovered 1135 00:54:30,310 --> 00:54:32,809 what really made the unique. 1136 00:54:32,809 --> 00:54:37,809 There was no, not one moment of improvisation 1137 00:54:40,013 --> 00:54:42,281 in their whole show. 1138 00:54:45,387 --> 00:54:50,127 When we recorded every guitar solo they played was 1139 00:54:50,127 --> 00:54:55,127 pre-written and memorized and never differed. 1140 00:54:55,149 --> 00:54:59,572 The whole solo in Free Bird he could play in exactly 1141 00:54:59,572 --> 00:55:02,329 the same every time he played it 1142 00:55:02,329 --> 00:55:05,650 and I'd never worked with anyone 1143 00:55:05,650 --> 00:55:08,759 that pre-wrote guitar solos. 1144 00:55:08,759 --> 00:55:10,769 It was phenomenal. 1145 00:55:11,823 --> 00:55:13,454 - [Voiceover] And although Ronnie Van Zant had a 1146 00:55:13,454 --> 00:55:15,777 domineering approach to his fellow band mates 1147 00:55:15,777 --> 00:55:18,570 with Al Kooper he relented recognizing the producer's 1148 00:55:18,570 --> 00:55:20,929 previous track record and experience although 1149 00:55:20,929 --> 00:55:23,604 others were less certain of his creative vision 1150 00:55:23,604 --> 00:55:24,894 for the album. 1151 00:55:24,894 --> 00:55:27,957 - If I wanted to change something, they would fight me 1152 00:55:27,957 --> 00:55:30,385 tooth and nail to the point where 1153 00:55:32,628 --> 00:55:35,037 I was discussing something with Allen Collins 1154 00:55:36,441 --> 00:55:39,703 and he said, "Why don't you just leave us alone." 1155 00:55:39,703 --> 00:55:43,226 And Ronnie came over and said, "No, no, no, no. 1156 00:55:45,822 --> 00:55:50,822 "If he suggests 20 things over the course of this album 1157 00:55:52,275 --> 00:55:55,819 "and we use one of those, then that's one thing 1158 00:55:55,819 --> 00:56:00,819 "that made us better and I'll suffer the other 19 1159 00:56:02,765 --> 00:56:05,369 "to get that one thing." 1160 00:56:05,369 --> 00:56:09,054 - Al Kooper, you know, he's a dominating guy in the studio. 1161 00:56:09,054 --> 00:56:10,297 He was very difficult. 1162 00:56:10,297 --> 00:56:12,773 We had two different personalities and we clashed 1163 00:56:12,773 --> 00:56:14,943 from the beginning to the end. 1164 00:56:14,943 --> 00:56:17,045 And I finally told him after I saw him at the 20th reunion 1165 00:56:17,045 --> 00:56:21,754 after I saw him at the 20th reunion 1166 00:56:22,724 --> 00:56:24,918 I said, "Al Kooper, I have to say one thing, 1167 00:56:24,918 --> 00:56:27,769 ""You certainly sweetened the Skynyrd sound."" 1168 00:56:27,769 --> 00:56:30,480 And that was the highest compliment I ever paid him 1169 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,028 and he did. 1170 00:56:32,028 --> 00:56:34,387 That was exactly what he did to their sound. 1171 00:56:34,387 --> 00:56:36,839 - Al had a vision for the band, and it was good. 1172 00:56:36,839 --> 00:56:40,594 Nobody else did and he mixed the band a certain way, 1173 00:56:40,594 --> 00:56:42,037 how he heard it. 1174 00:56:42,037 --> 00:56:45,111 I could tell it was fit for radio. 1175 00:56:45,111 --> 00:56:47,669 But there was one special time when there was a real 1176 00:56:47,669 --> 00:56:51,939 big clash and that was when we thought the album was fully 1177 00:56:51,939 --> 00:56:54,884 recorded and Kooper called up and said, "We need one 1178 00:56:54,884 --> 00:56:55,987 "more song." 1179 00:56:55,987 --> 00:56:58,205 That was the time when Leon showed up 1180 00:56:58,205 --> 00:57:01,079 and showed us Simple Man, showed me Simple Man. 1181 00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:02,569 We worked it up. 1182 00:57:02,569 --> 00:57:04,846 Within a couple of days we went to Atlanta to record it. 1183 00:57:04,846 --> 00:57:08,612 We set up in the studio for Al and we played it 1184 00:57:08,612 --> 00:57:10,583 for him, live. 1185 00:57:10,583 --> 00:57:12,859 And he said, "I'm really sorry you guys, we can't cut that 1186 00:57:12,859 --> 00:57:14,971 "we're looking for something else." 1187 00:57:14,971 --> 00:57:18,298 ♪ Mama told me ♪ 1188 00:57:18,298 --> 00:57:22,440 ♪ When I was young ♪ 1189 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,183 ♪ Come sit beside me ♪ 1190 00:57:26,183 --> 00:57:30,325 ♪ My only son ♪ 1191 00:57:30,325 --> 00:57:33,915 ♪ And listen closely ♪ 1192 00:57:33,915 --> 00:57:38,362 ♪ To what I say ♪ 1193 00:57:38,362 --> 00:57:42,140 ♪ And if you do this it'll help you ♪ 1194 00:57:42,140 --> 00:57:44,631 ♪ Some sunny day ♪ 1195 00:57:48,593 --> 00:57:51,949 Ronnie asked Al to step outside and Al drove 1196 00:57:51,949 --> 00:57:55,844 a I think it was an old Bele, and Ronnie opened the door 1197 00:57:55,844 --> 00:57:58,150 to the Bele and told Al to get in the car. 1198 00:57:58,150 --> 00:58:01,580 Al gets in Ronnie rolls down the window, shuts the dorr 1199 00:58:01,580 --> 00:58:03,058 and he sticks his head through the window 1200 00:58:03,058 --> 00:58:05,979 and he said, "Al, when we're done cutting it, 1201 00:58:05,979 --> 00:58:07,775 "we'll call you." 1202 00:58:07,775 --> 00:58:11,424 So he sent Al on his way and the rest of us were really 1203 00:58:11,424 --> 00:58:12,433 kind of surprised. 1204 00:58:12,433 --> 00:58:16,504 You don't hear very many times in history 1205 00:58:16,504 --> 00:58:19,848 when a first album band tells the producer 1206 00:58:19,848 --> 00:58:21,150 to get lost. 1207 00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:23,731 Usually they get fired or something, but you want 1208 00:58:23,731 --> 00:58:27,345 to talk about Al Kooper's passion, he put up with that 1209 00:58:27,345 --> 00:58:29,375 you know, where many others wouldn't. 1210 00:58:29,375 --> 00:58:32,226 They'd say, "Like, you're gone, you know." 1211 00:58:32,226 --> 00:58:34,995 - [Voiceover] With the album completed Kooper's mind 1212 00:58:34,995 --> 00:58:37,202 now turned to selling Lynyrd Skynyrd to as wide 1213 00:58:37,202 --> 00:58:39,936 an audience as possible and the first obstacle 1214 00:58:39,936 --> 00:58:42,822 for the general public that he envisaged was the band's 1215 00:58:42,822 --> 00:58:44,453 name itself. 1216 00:58:44,453 --> 00:58:47,023 - They were the second band to come into the club 1217 00:58:47,023 --> 00:58:49,721 when we were residents in Atlanta. 1218 00:58:49,721 --> 00:58:53,370 Up on the marquee it said, "Linerd Skinerd." 1219 00:58:53,370 --> 00:58:55,333 I went, "What the hell is this? 1220 00:58:56,796 --> 00:58:58,251 "What is that? 1221 00:58:58,251 --> 00:59:00,390 "Linderd Skinerd, what is that?" 1222 00:59:01,830 --> 00:59:04,294 And then they introduced them and said, 1223 00:59:04,294 --> 00:59:07,215 "Oh, it's Lynyrd Skynyrd, I see, yeah, I get it." 1224 00:59:07,215 --> 00:59:10,231 They said, "What a dumb way to do that." 1225 00:59:10,231 --> 00:59:12,379 So I was saddled with that. 1226 00:59:12,379 --> 00:59:14,667 It was the first thing that came to me was let's 1227 00:59:14,667 --> 00:59:16,849 put it to our advantage. 1228 00:59:16,849 --> 00:59:21,273 It's like, what is who is Linerd Skinerd and I thought 1229 00:59:21,273 --> 00:59:24,980 everyone would mispronounce it, so I thought the best 1230 00:59:24,980 --> 00:59:28,500 thing to do was to name the album, Pronounced 1231 00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:33,299 and put that dictionary thing 'Lĕh-'nérd 1232 00:59:33,299 --> 00:59:36,045 'Skin-'nérd like that. 1233 00:59:36,045 --> 00:59:37,503 - [Voiceover] One, two, three. 1234 00:59:49,550 --> 00:59:52,647 - [Voiceover] Released on August 13, 1973, 1235 00:59:52,647 --> 00:59:54,513 Pronounced 'Lĕh-'nérd 'Skin-'nérd was an album 1236 00:59:54,513 --> 00:59:56,683 that may never have existed given the struggles 1237 00:59:56,683 --> 00:59:58,775 the band had gone through to get it made. 1238 00:59:59,675 --> 01:00:01,928 In the press Kooper was declaring the band 1239 01:00:01,928 --> 01:00:04,873 America's Rolling Stones and while not an overnight 1240 01:00:04,873 --> 01:00:07,900 success the LP's reputation steadily grew 1241 01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:10,399 with Skynyrd slowly seeping into the heart 1242 01:00:10,399 --> 01:00:13,485 of American culture across the following year. 1243 01:00:13,485 --> 01:00:15,130 - Pronounced 'Lĕh-'nérd 'Skin-'nérd is a very, very 1244 01:00:15,130 --> 01:00:16,538 strong debut. 1245 01:00:16,538 --> 01:00:19,166 It announces them from the very first notes 1246 01:00:19,166 --> 01:00:22,909 of I Ain't The One as a unique entity, as a self-confident 1247 01:00:22,909 --> 01:00:26,727 entity and it has a handful of songs on it 1248 01:00:26,727 --> 01:00:30,572 that are rock-n-roll classics, that stand up to this day. 1249 01:00:30,572 --> 01:00:34,057 It has Tuesday's Gone, Gimme Three Steps, Free Bird, 1250 01:00:34,057 --> 01:00:35,875 that was all there on their first record 1251 01:00:35,875 --> 01:00:38,644 and they had a very distinct sound, a very distinct 1252 01:00:38,644 --> 01:00:41,675 vision and it's a very, very impressive debut. 1253 01:00:53,569 --> 01:00:57,757 ♪ Train roll on ♪ 1254 01:00:57,757 --> 01:01:00,399 ♪ On down the line ♪ 1255 01:01:00,399 --> 01:01:05,399 ♪ Won't you please take me far ♪ 1256 01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:11,300 ♪ Away ♪ 1257 01:01:11,791 --> 01:01:15,874 ♪ Well I feel the wind blow ♪ 1258 01:01:15,874 --> 01:01:19,430 ♪ Outside my door ♪ 1259 01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:24,404 ♪ Because I'm leaving my woman ♪ 1260 01:01:24,404 --> 01:01:28,030 ♪ at home ♪ 1261 01:01:28,030 --> 01:01:30,294 ♪ Lord and ♪ 1262 01:01:30,294 --> 01:01:33,052 ♪ Tuesday's gone ♪ 1263 01:01:33,052 --> 01:01:38,052 ♪ With the wind ♪ 1264 01:01:39,258 --> 01:01:40,128 ♪ My baby's gone ♪ 1265 01:01:40,128 --> 01:01:42,193 - They had been working hard for a long time 1266 01:01:42,193 --> 01:01:44,295 by that point, and you can hear it. 1267 01:01:44,295 --> 01:01:46,313 To me it's a phenomenally strong debut 1268 01:01:46,313 --> 01:01:49,154 because they sound, they are a fully formed entity 1269 01:01:49,154 --> 01:01:51,528 at this point and you've got 1270 01:01:54,180 --> 01:01:55,368 Gimme Three Steps, 1271 01:01:55,368 --> 01:01:59,627 You've got Tuesday's Gone which is a great pop song 1272 01:01:59,627 --> 01:02:01,704 like fantastic pop song 1273 01:02:01,704 --> 01:02:04,344 and then I mean Free Bird, you know. 1274 01:02:04,344 --> 01:02:07,089 It's their first real album, it has their 1275 01:02:07,089 --> 01:02:09,823 the biggest song they every wrote on it. 1276 01:02:09,823 --> 01:02:13,894 If you had to boil Lynyrd Skynyrd down to one song 1277 01:02:13,894 --> 01:02:15,684 it would have to be to me it would have 1278 01:02:15,684 --> 01:02:17,315 to be Free Bird. 1279 01:02:17,315 --> 01:02:19,078 ♪ Free Bird ♪ 1280 01:02:20,189 --> 01:02:21,718 (piano) 1281 01:02:48,034 --> 01:02:51,346 (guitar) 1282 01:02:57,474 --> 01:02:59,046 - Free Bird had developed quite a bit 1283 01:02:59,046 --> 01:03:00,806 from the time they had first recorded it 1284 01:03:00,806 --> 01:03:04,056 as a demo until their first album. 1285 01:03:04,056 --> 01:03:05,628 One of the things that had happened I think 1286 01:03:05,628 --> 01:03:07,893 was a result of all these gigs they had played 1287 01:03:07,893 --> 01:03:09,805 and gaining their confidence on the stage 1288 01:03:09,805 --> 01:03:11,027 and as a live band. 1289 01:03:11,027 --> 01:03:13,221 It was also the addition of keyboard player, Billy Powell 1290 01:03:13,221 --> 01:03:17,375 and the elegant piano playing he brought to that song 1291 01:03:17,375 --> 01:03:18,994 and to the band in general. 1292 01:03:18,994 --> 01:03:21,364 iIthink that in many ways Billy Powell was sort 1293 01:03:21,364 --> 01:03:25,083 of the underrated secret weapon that Skynyrd had 1294 01:03:25,083 --> 01:03:27,430 because as much as they could be a hard-hitting 1295 01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:30,422 rock ban,d as much as people think of them 1296 01:03:30,422 --> 01:03:33,484 right off the bat as a two or even three at various stages 1297 01:03:33,484 --> 01:03:36,722 a guitar band which they certainly were 1298 01:03:36,722 --> 01:03:40,360 they also had this sort of elegant swinging piano playing 1299 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,976 of Billy Powell and that can really be heard 1300 01:03:42,976 --> 01:03:43,891 on Free Bird. 1301 01:03:43,891 --> 01:03:46,625 He added a tremendous amount by having this 1302 01:03:46,625 --> 01:03:49,816 beautiful piano intro rather than it being just a finger- 1303 01:03:49,816 --> 01:03:51,694 picked guitar and that's something else 1304 01:03:51,694 --> 01:03:52,949 that set them apart. 1305 01:03:52,949 --> 01:03:57,949 ♪ If I leave here tomorrow ♪ 1306 01:04:00,963 --> 01:04:05,963 ♪ Would you still remember me ♪ 1307 01:04:09,164 --> 01:04:14,164 ♪ For I must be traveling on now ♪ 1308 01:04:14,627 --> 01:04:17,008 - You have this terrain and you start 1309 01:04:17,008 --> 01:04:19,730 on this journey with this song. 1310 01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:22,687 It really draws you in with the slide-guitar playing 1311 01:04:22,687 --> 01:04:25,761 the sort of haunting melody and it's kind of hypnotic 1312 01:04:25,761 --> 01:04:28,847 you know, it's kind of slow mournful. 1313 01:04:28,847 --> 01:04:30,118 It's like a ballad 1314 01:04:30,994 --> 01:04:35,994 and then a lot like Stairway To Heaven 1315 01:04:36,391 --> 01:04:38,421 which is the same thing. 1316 01:04:38,421 --> 01:04:43,220 The song builds in intensity very gradually, you know 1317 01:04:43,220 --> 01:04:47,233 and it's that shift where you're going from this sort 1318 01:04:47,233 --> 01:04:49,802 of gentle thing and then the power starts to come 1319 01:04:49,802 --> 01:04:52,348 behind it and the tempo's picking up a little bit. 1320 01:04:52,348 --> 01:04:54,624 It's true for both songs. 1321 01:04:54,624 --> 01:04:57,886 You know, that's it's there's a payoff there 1322 01:04:57,886 --> 01:04:59,884 for the listener, everytime. 1323 01:05:01,523 --> 01:05:05,907 ♪ Oh, I can't change ♪ 1324 01:05:05,907 --> 01:05:08,905 ♪ Won't you fly ♪ 1325 01:05:08,905 --> 01:05:12,378 ♪ Oh, Free Bird, yeah ♪ 1326 01:05:12,378 --> 01:05:14,165 (guitar music) 1327 01:05:19,676 --> 01:05:24,299 - When I heard Free Bird for the first time 1328 01:05:24,299 --> 01:05:26,563 I thought I would like to see 1329 01:05:26,563 --> 01:05:30,254 any kid 1330 01:05:30,254 --> 01:05:34,364 between the ages of 12 and 21 1331 01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:41,789 when they hear this they will just put their heads down 1332 01:05:41,799 --> 01:05:44,826 and run into the nearest wall. 1333 01:05:44,826 --> 01:05:46,786 I thought it was irresistible. 1334 01:05:46,786 --> 01:05:50,540 I thought it was much more primiative 1335 01:05:50,540 --> 01:05:54,208 than Whipping Post which is the Allman's big song 1336 01:05:54,208 --> 01:05:55,334 at the time. 1337 01:05:55,334 --> 01:05:59,089 This is very simple, other than it starts slow 1338 01:05:59,089 --> 01:06:02,648 and then it gets fast, but that's very simple, too. 1339 01:06:04,380 --> 01:06:06,062 And it was phenomenal. 1340 01:06:07,173 --> 01:06:09,602 - [Voiceover] Initial reactions to the LP in the music press 1341 01:06:09,602 --> 01:06:12,382 saw lazy comparisons to The Allman Brothers mirroring 1342 01:06:12,382 --> 01:06:14,318 the record company's initial reception 1343 01:06:14,318 --> 01:06:16,266 to the Muscle Shoals demos. 1344 01:06:16,266 --> 01:06:18,143 And although these weren't necessarily negative 1345 01:06:18,143 --> 01:06:20,689 they continued to baffle the band themselves 1346 01:06:20,689 --> 01:06:23,318 along with the more perceptive critics who found 1347 01:06:23,318 --> 01:06:25,128 no in distinguishing the two bands. 1348 01:06:26,145 --> 01:06:28,069 - They were a blues band and later on kind 1349 01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:30,674 of a what? A fusion band. 1350 01:06:30,674 --> 01:06:34,147 I mean but in their own way they were virtuoso's. 1351 01:06:34,147 --> 01:06:36,313 We were not virtuoso's because Ronnie liked 1352 01:06:36,313 --> 01:06:37,838 the same thing every night. 1353 01:06:37,838 --> 01:06:39,727 He wanted to make sure the band sounded 1354 01:06:39,727 --> 01:06:40,853 like the record. 1355 01:06:40,853 --> 01:06:42,402 He's very scripted. 1356 01:06:42,402 --> 01:06:43,916 There was no improvisation. 1357 01:06:43,916 --> 01:06:44,457 We couldn't really. 1358 01:06:44,457 --> 01:06:46,901 We were lousy improvisers and that's okay. 1359 01:06:47,836 --> 01:06:50,523 We're still in the Rock-N-Roll Hall of Fame, you know? 1360 01:06:50,523 --> 01:06:52,846 - The Allman Brothers were a jam band 1361 01:06:52,846 --> 01:06:54,571 and Lynyrd Skynyrd is a song band. 1362 01:06:54,571 --> 01:06:55,944 That's the difference. 1363 01:06:55,944 --> 01:06:58,220 Ronnie Van Zant was a great song writer. 1364 01:06:58,220 --> 01:07:00,578 Dwayne Allman was not a great song writer. 1365 01:07:00,578 --> 01:07:03,429 He wasn't, great player? Sure. 1366 01:07:03,429 --> 01:07:04,479 Knew a great song when he heard it? 1367 01:07:04,479 --> 01:07:07,976 Damn right, but he wasn't a great song writer. 1368 01:07:07,976 --> 01:07:11,460 The good song writer in that band was Dickey Betts, 1369 01:07:11,460 --> 01:07:14,147 for better or worse and he wasn't so great either. 1370 01:07:14,147 --> 01:07:16,717 Ronnie Van Zant on the other hand, I mean what? 1371 01:07:16,717 --> 01:07:19,908 They put out six albums, 80, 90 percent of those songs 1372 01:07:19,908 --> 01:07:21,281 were absolutely top grade. 1373 01:07:21,281 --> 01:07:24,038 It's amazing, it's amazing, 1374 01:07:24,038 --> 01:07:25,951 and so you know, when I heard the first album 1375 01:07:25,951 --> 01:07:28,508 I just knew something different was going on there. 1376 01:07:28,508 --> 01:07:30,656 First I noticed that Al Kooper was involved, 1377 01:07:30,656 --> 01:07:33,354 not exactly a Southerner, New York, Jew 1378 01:07:33,354 --> 01:07:35,877 from Queens, my stomping ground. 1379 01:07:35,877 --> 01:07:38,462 And he understands that this band is something special. 1380 01:07:39,408 --> 01:07:42,717 I liked the record when it came out, 1381 01:07:42,717 --> 01:07:44,817 but I'd say it was a little hard for me to hear 1382 01:07:44,817 --> 01:07:48,212 from my own prejudices about Southerners, 1383 01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:51,529 exactly how good Van Zant was. 1384 01:07:51,529 --> 01:07:52,670 But it didn't take long. 1385 01:07:54,122 --> 01:07:55,659 - [Voiceover] Comparisons to The Allmans quickly 1386 01:07:55,659 --> 01:07:57,735 diminished however, once Van Zant and his band 1387 01:07:57,735 --> 01:08:00,047 began doing the rounds for the Music Press. 1388 01:08:00,047 --> 01:08:02,839 Unlike the Capricorn act these were clearly 1389 01:08:02,839 --> 01:08:05,655 not Southern hippies and the simmering aggression 1390 01:08:05,655 --> 01:08:07,920 and redneck swagger of Lynyrd Skynyrd quickly 1391 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,254 mobbed them out as something totally distinct 1392 01:08:10,254 --> 01:08:12,097 from any their contemporaries. 1393 01:08:12,097 --> 01:08:15,253 - That was the beauty of late '60s early '70s, 1394 01:08:15,253 --> 01:08:19,281 the beginning of rock, the first good 10 years of rock 1395 01:08:19,281 --> 01:08:21,300 was be different, you know? 1396 01:08:23,448 --> 01:08:27,310 Do everything you can to sound like yourselves. 1397 01:08:27,310 --> 01:08:29,012 They had a band personality. 1398 01:08:29,012 --> 01:08:30,995 It was a very strong personality 1399 01:08:30,995 --> 01:08:32,309 and it was distinct. 1400 01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:33,658 - They were bringing something that had never been heard 1401 01:08:33,658 --> 01:08:35,512 before, it was redneck rock. 1402 01:08:35,512 --> 01:08:38,176 They made redneck rock into an art. 1403 01:08:38,176 --> 01:08:39,912 They made it into an idiom itself 1404 01:08:39,912 --> 01:08:43,387 not just an offshoot rock-a-billy or country 1405 01:08:43,387 --> 01:08:44,502 or something like that. 1406 01:08:44,502 --> 01:08:47,376 It was totally indescribable which was the reason 1407 01:08:47,376 --> 01:08:49,394 they had such a hard time at the beginning 1408 01:08:49,394 --> 01:08:52,644 getting that contract, but in the end, you really have 1409 01:08:52,644 --> 01:08:55,613 to admire people like Al Kooper and the MCA people 1410 01:08:55,613 --> 01:08:57,209 for recognizing that. 1411 01:08:57,209 --> 01:09:00,459 At the time there was nothing like it. 1412 01:09:00,459 --> 01:09:02,207 There'd never been anything like it. 1413 01:09:02,207 --> 01:09:06,571 - All of those guys except Ed King were rough and tough. 1414 01:09:06,571 --> 01:09:08,452 But they portrayed that on stage. 1415 01:09:09,624 --> 01:09:14,028 I can remember getting to New York 1416 01:09:14,028 --> 01:09:17,583 one of the early trade magazines came in to interview us 1417 01:09:17,583 --> 01:09:21,068 and they said, "Well, we heard y'all are from deep South 1418 01:09:21,068 --> 01:09:24,298 "and might be referred to as rednecks." 1419 01:09:25,221 --> 01:09:28,319 And Ronnie's answer was, "Hell yes, damn right, 1420 01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:31,252 "where's your daughter?" (laughs) 1421 01:09:31,252 --> 01:09:36,219 He took the poor white trash image 1422 01:09:37,353 --> 01:09:39,961 and turned it into something glamorous. 1423 01:09:40,908 --> 01:09:45,672 He made people feel proud that they were rednecks 1424 01:09:45,672 --> 01:09:48,538 and that The Allman's hadn't done that. 1425 01:09:49,661 --> 01:09:51,738 - [Voiceover] The white, Southern, working-class mentality 1426 01:09:51,738 --> 01:09:54,178 and outlook was not only expressed through the band's 1427 01:09:54,178 --> 01:09:57,546 image but also in the lyrics and Ronnie Van Zant himself. 1428 01:09:57,546 --> 01:10:01,007 The album introduced a very singular if under appreciated 1429 01:10:01,007 --> 01:10:02,723 writer into the rock world. 1430 01:10:03,717 --> 01:10:08,105 - I gotta say that working-class was never something 1431 01:10:08,105 --> 01:10:12,611 that I as a very class-conscious person actually thought of. 1432 01:10:12,611 --> 01:10:14,723 I never thought of them as a proletarian band. 1433 01:10:14,723 --> 01:10:15,708 iIwas wrong. 1434 01:10:15,708 --> 01:10:17,327 It's a very good way to think about them. 1435 01:10:17,327 --> 01:10:19,721 When you say Ronnie Van Zant is a great song writer, 1436 01:10:19,721 --> 01:10:20,753 well, why is that? 1437 01:10:20,753 --> 01:10:23,904 Well, one of the reasons is that they were narrative 1438 01:10:23,904 --> 01:10:27,201 details in his songs that he observed life 1439 01:10:27,201 --> 01:10:28,597 and wrote about it. 1440 01:10:28,597 --> 01:10:31,777 Gimme two steps is a great song 1441 01:10:31,777 --> 01:10:35,285 about being in a bar fight, or not. 1442 01:10:35,285 --> 01:10:36,708 Great, great song. 1443 01:10:40,846 --> 01:10:42,020 There are a lot of songs 1444 01:10:42,020 --> 01:10:43,744 about Saturday night's alright for fighting 1445 01:10:43,744 --> 01:10:47,241 as Elton John did it, but very few good songs 1446 01:10:47,241 --> 01:10:49,059 about how he doesn't actually want to fight 1447 01:10:49,059 --> 01:10:52,263 and he's gonna get the fuck out of there, you know. 1448 01:10:52,263 --> 01:10:57,088 I always thought that was, I loved it because he had the 1449 01:10:57,088 --> 01:10:59,611 guts to paint himself in that way. 1450 01:11:04,629 --> 01:11:06,553 ♪ Well the crowd cleared away ♪ 1451 01:11:06,553 --> 01:11:08,161 ♪ And I began to pray ♪ 1452 01:11:08,161 --> 01:11:11,845 ♪ And the water fell on the floor ♪ 1453 01:11:11,845 --> 01:11:13,441 ♪ And I'm telling you, son ♪ 1454 01:11:13,441 --> 01:11:15,353 ♪ Well, it ain't no fun ♪ 1455 01:11:15,353 --> 01:11:18,838 ♪ Staring straight down a forty-four ♪ 1456 01:11:18,838 --> 01:11:22,440 ♪ Well, he turned and screamed at Linda Lou ♪ 1457 01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:26,030 ♪ And that's the break I was looking for ♪ 1458 01:11:26,030 --> 01:11:29,515 ♪ Well, you could hear me screaming a mile away ♪ 1459 01:11:29,515 --> 01:11:33,340 ♪ I was headed out toward the door ♪ 1460 01:11:33,340 --> 01:11:35,194 ♪ Look at here big man ♪ 1461 01:11:35,194 --> 01:11:36,156 ♪ Oh, won't you ♪ 1462 01:11:36,156 --> 01:11:38,784 ♪ Gimme three steps, gimme three steps, mister ♪ 1463 01:11:38,784 --> 01:11:42,971 ♪ Gimme three steps toward the door ♪ 1464 01:11:42,971 --> 01:11:46,053 ♪ Gimme three steps, gimme three steps, mister ♪ 1465 01:11:46,053 --> 01:11:49,644 ♪ And you'll never see me no more ♪ 1466 01:11:49,644 --> 01:11:50,500 ♪ Whoo ♪ 1467 01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:53,226 - Ronnie Van Zant was the son of a truck driver. 1468 01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:58,341 And that's what he knew. 1469 01:12:00,579 --> 01:12:03,586 His experiences with women 1470 01:12:04,779 --> 01:12:09,779 were lyrically in some songs 1471 01:12:10,024 --> 01:12:12,335 hilarious to me. 1472 01:12:12,335 --> 01:12:14,298 I'm trying to tell you I love you 1473 01:12:15,433 --> 01:12:17,580 in each and every way. 1474 01:12:17,580 --> 01:12:19,727 I'm trying to tell you I need you 1475 01:12:19,727 --> 01:12:22,206 much more than just a piece of leg. 1476 01:12:23,341 --> 01:12:24,854 I couldn't write that. 1477 01:12:24,854 --> 01:12:27,709 A, it was from the heart 1478 01:12:29,278 --> 01:12:34,278 and B, it was realer 1479 01:12:34,611 --> 01:12:36,360 than most people 1480 01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,370 have the nerve to write. 1481 01:12:39,328 --> 01:12:41,323 - [Voiceover] Shortly after the recording of the album 1482 01:12:41,323 --> 01:12:43,341 the band's lineup shifted once again 1483 01:12:43,341 --> 01:12:46,544 with Leon Wilkeson coming back into the ensemble 1484 01:12:46,544 --> 01:12:49,489 and Ed King moving from bass to guitar. 1485 01:12:49,489 --> 01:12:51,460 Although apparently only a small change 1486 01:12:51,460 --> 01:12:53,834 it made an instant impact on the Skynyrd sound. 1487 01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,101 - Ed was my favorite guitar player 1488 01:12:58,101 --> 01:13:00,439 and in the beginning I didn't even know he played guitar. 1489 01:13:02,606 --> 01:13:04,100 First of all he played 1490 01:13:06,232 --> 01:13:09,224 Fender guitar, so there was that 1491 01:13:09,224 --> 01:13:13,663 and B, he was a phenomenal guitar player. 1492 01:13:15,184 --> 01:13:16,995 (guitar music) 1493 01:13:30,167 --> 01:13:32,795 Now, he had the opportunity to bring 1494 01:13:32,795 --> 01:13:35,248 his knowledge into the band and he was, 1495 01:13:35,248 --> 01:13:37,852 you know, he wasn't a Southern guy. 1496 01:13:37,852 --> 01:13:42,194 He was from California, so now 1497 01:13:42,194 --> 01:13:46,183 they had this added to their pool of thought. 1498 01:13:46,183 --> 01:13:49,433 - Once I became the third guitarist in the band 1499 01:13:49,433 --> 01:13:51,346 integrating myself was so much easier 1500 01:13:51,346 --> 01:13:52,898 than being a bass player. 1501 01:13:54,086 --> 01:13:57,453 Pretty much I stayed out of the other guy's way. 1502 01:13:57,453 --> 01:13:59,870 I found myself a third part. 1503 01:13:59,870 --> 01:14:02,264 I try not to play too much which I realize now, 1504 01:14:02,264 --> 01:14:05,197 I still overplayed some, but I thought we integrated 1505 01:14:05,197 --> 01:14:08,998 very well and the crowd loved it, but I think my really 1506 01:14:08,998 --> 01:14:11,943 clean Stratocaster sounded against their dirty Gibsons 1507 01:14:11,943 --> 01:14:14,008 was a beautiful contrast. 1508 01:14:14,008 --> 01:14:15,393 I didn't have to explain it to them. 1509 01:14:15,393 --> 01:14:17,211 They just excepted it. 1510 01:14:17,211 --> 01:14:18,948 - [Voiceover] Now, playing his favorite instrument, 1511 01:14:18,948 --> 01:14:21,353 King immediately contributed to Skynyrd's material 1512 01:14:21,353 --> 01:14:22,726 in a crucial manner. 1513 01:14:22,726 --> 01:14:24,943 Before the first album had even been released 1514 01:14:24,943 --> 01:14:27,208 bring his compositional skills into the band's 1515 01:14:27,208 --> 01:14:28,901 daily Hell House rehearsals. 1516 01:14:30,206 --> 01:14:32,870 - How a typical day at rehearsal would go, 1517 01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:34,704 we'd all show up at pretty much the same time 1518 01:14:35,850 --> 01:14:38,314 and Ronnie would say to any of the guitar players 1519 01:14:38,314 --> 01:14:40,582 or whoever, "What do you got?" 1520 01:14:41,834 --> 01:14:44,720 And of course ideas were always flowing. 1521 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,550 You made sure you showed up at rehearsal 1522 01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:49,437 with something to work on and somebody had 1523 01:14:49,437 --> 01:14:51,302 something good, you know, Ronnie would be sitting 1524 01:14:51,302 --> 01:14:55,901 in his corner on this long sofa we had 1525 01:14:55,901 --> 01:14:59,234 and if he liked it he'd have his head in his hands 1526 01:14:59,234 --> 01:15:00,970 and he'd go like this. 1527 01:15:00,970 --> 01:15:04,877 Keep going, keep going and after a few minutes or so 1528 01:15:04,877 --> 01:15:08,655 20 minutes he might come up and sing a verse. 1529 01:15:08,655 --> 01:15:10,722 I mean Sweet Home Alabama didn't take longer than 1530 01:15:10,722 --> 01:15:12,177 20 minutes to write. 1531 01:15:12,177 --> 01:15:14,817 I walked into rehearsal and Gary Rossington was playing 1532 01:15:14,817 --> 01:15:17,738 this figure on the guitar and I picked up this Strat 1533 01:15:17,738 --> 01:15:19,816 that I had just bought, I don't know, maybe a couple 1534 01:15:19,816 --> 01:15:22,562 months before and immediately bounced mine off of his 1535 01:15:22,562 --> 01:15:23,888 a totally different lick. 1536 01:15:23,888 --> 01:15:25,296 Mine went dum, dum, da, da, 1537 01:15:25,296 --> 01:15:27,830 dadunen do dun na and Ronnie heard that 1538 01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:30,083 and just locked into it. 1539 01:15:30,083 --> 01:15:30,825 iIcould just see him 1540 01:15:30,825 --> 01:15:32,424 and you could tell when he locked into it. 1541 01:15:33,453 --> 01:15:36,539 20 minutes later he sang it, he grabbed the mic 1542 01:15:36,539 --> 01:15:39,296 and sang us the first verse. 1543 01:15:39,296 --> 01:15:42,018 Once he started singing I came up with the rest of it. 1544 01:15:42,018 --> 01:15:43,207 (guitar music) 1545 01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:05,785 ♪ Big wheels keep on turning ♪ 1546 01:16:05,785 --> 01:16:10,450 ♪ Carry me home to see my kin ♪ 1547 01:16:10,450 --> 01:16:15,167 ♪ Singing songs about the Southland ♪ 1548 01:16:15,167 --> 01:16:17,244 ♪ I miss my family once again ♪ 1549 01:16:17,244 --> 01:16:18,737 ♪ And I think it's a sin ♪ 1550 01:16:19,842 --> 01:16:22,729 - Ronnie called me up and said, "I need a favor." 1551 01:16:22,729 --> 01:16:24,383 I said, "How much?" 1552 01:16:24,383 --> 01:16:25,944 He said, "No, no, no." 1553 01:16:25,944 --> 01:16:30,062 He said, "We wrote a new song and I love the way 1554 01:16:30,062 --> 01:16:35,062 "it sounds now, and I think maybe it'll change in tempo 1555 01:16:35,213 --> 01:16:39,041 "or this and that and I want to record it right now." 1556 01:16:40,586 --> 01:16:43,015 I said, "I don't have a problem with that." 1557 01:16:43,015 --> 01:16:45,761 I said, "The only thing I would like to do 1558 01:16:45,761 --> 01:16:49,281 "is the night before we record, I'd like to go 1559 01:16:49,281 --> 01:16:52,871 "into the rehearsal studio and just listen to it 1560 01:16:52,871 --> 01:16:56,340 "and see if I have anything I want to change in it 1561 01:16:56,340 --> 01:16:58,428 "before we record it." 1562 01:16:58,428 --> 01:17:01,901 So he came down and they played Sweet Home Alabama 1563 01:17:01,901 --> 01:17:03,720 and I thought the same thing. 1564 01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,418 I thought this is a number one record. 1565 01:17:06,418 --> 01:17:07,979 - [Voiceover] Both Kooper and the band 1566 01:17:07,979 --> 01:17:09,856 decided to hold Sweet Home Alabama 1567 01:17:09,856 --> 01:17:12,590 in the reserves and after their debut was released 1568 01:17:12,590 --> 01:17:14,549 Skynyrd headed straight out on the road 1569 01:17:14,549 --> 01:17:16,125 playing shows across the South. 1570 01:17:17,130 --> 01:17:19,688 These dates in modest venues help spread 1571 01:17:19,688 --> 01:17:22,598 their name it had little wider impact. 1572 01:17:22,598 --> 01:17:24,956 In November however, they began a second date 1573 01:17:24,956 --> 01:17:26,974 that would propel them into the spotlight 1574 01:17:26,974 --> 01:17:29,363 as they embarked on a 13 show run opening 1575 01:17:29,363 --> 01:17:33,246 for The Who on their 1973 Quadrophenia Tour. 1576 01:17:33,246 --> 01:17:36,121 Although Alan Walden and Alex Hodges handled the logistics 1577 01:17:36,121 --> 01:17:39,441 of these shows, the opportunity itself occurred by chance 1578 01:17:39,441 --> 01:17:42,351 after Al Kooper had been meeting executives at MCA's 1579 01:17:42,351 --> 01:17:45,449 offices shortly before the release of Pronounced. 1580 01:17:45,449 --> 01:17:47,701 - I came out of the meeting and I bumped 1581 01:17:47,701 --> 01:17:52,312 into Pete Townsend, who I knew, and hey, how ya doing, 1582 01:17:52,312 --> 01:17:53,591 blah, blah, blah. 1583 01:17:53,591 --> 01:17:54,964 I said, "What are you doing?" 1584 01:17:54,964 --> 01:17:56,771 He says, "Well." 1585 01:17:56,771 --> 01:18:00,572 He says, "We're gonna tour the Quadrophenia album. 1586 01:18:00,572 --> 01:18:02,180 I said, "Wow, that's great." 1587 01:18:02,180 --> 01:18:04,855 He says, "As a matter of fact we're looking for 1588 01:18:04,855 --> 01:18:08,023 "an opening act, do you know anyone 1589 01:18:08,023 --> 01:18:09,161 "that would be good?" 1590 01:18:09,161 --> 01:18:13,658 I had just gotten a pressing or two of the first album. 1591 01:18:15,696 --> 01:18:19,967 I had three of them with me, so I said, "Take this home 1592 01:18:19,967 --> 01:18:21,082 "and play it. 1593 01:18:21,082 --> 01:18:24,637 "This band would be phenomenal to open for you." 1594 01:18:24,637 --> 01:18:28,133 I wrote my phone number on the label 1595 01:18:28,133 --> 01:18:29,674 because it's just a white label. 1596 01:18:30,973 --> 01:18:33,296 So he called me the next day and said, 1597 01:18:33,296 --> 01:18:35,584 "You're right, this is great. 1598 01:18:35,584 --> 01:18:37,402 "This would be great. 1599 01:18:37,402 --> 01:18:38,822 "Let's do this." 1600 01:18:38,822 --> 01:18:42,307 - When we opened for The Who, we only had 30 minutes. 1601 01:18:42,307 --> 01:18:45,428 We had eight inputs into the sound board in 30 minutes, 1602 01:18:45,428 --> 01:18:48,842 plus we had to play Free Bird which is nine minutes, 1603 01:18:48,842 --> 01:18:52,374 so we only got about maybe five songs maybe six songs in, 1604 01:18:52,374 --> 01:18:54,016 but made quite an impact. 1605 01:18:54,016 --> 01:18:56,894 - I said, "Look, this is the way we gotta do it. 1606 01:18:58,158 --> 01:19:00,895 "Don't give them a chance to boo you. 1607 01:19:02,030 --> 01:19:04,321 "Don't give them a chance to applaud you. 1608 01:19:05,444 --> 01:19:08,674 "No more than a three second delay between songs. 1609 01:19:10,220 --> 01:19:14,091 "I want it, like that ,(clapping) all the way." 1610 01:19:14,091 --> 01:19:17,940 And buddy, Ronnie Van Zant delivered. 1611 01:19:17,940 --> 01:19:20,110 - We were more used to almost 1612 01:19:20,110 --> 01:19:23,372 like a nightclub deal. 1613 01:19:23,372 --> 01:19:25,977 You know where you just get tight 1614 01:19:25,977 --> 01:19:28,030 with everybody sitting all around, you know, 1615 01:19:28,030 --> 01:19:32,078 but you look down and there's 15,000 feet 1616 01:19:32,078 --> 01:19:33,771 and there's the first person. 1617 01:19:35,528 --> 01:19:37,839 Leon way over there. 1618 01:19:37,839 --> 01:19:41,488 Ronnie way up there and I'm looking down at him. 1619 01:19:41,488 --> 01:19:42,919 I hated it. 1620 01:19:42,919 --> 01:19:46,521 I was nervous, but I overcame it, see. 1621 01:19:46,521 --> 01:19:51,465 I overcame it and I actually enjoyed turning them on 1622 01:19:52,447 --> 01:19:54,183 because if I turn them on, 1623 01:19:54,183 --> 01:19:56,835 here it come back, 1624 01:19:56,835 --> 01:19:58,513 and I turn it on some more, 1625 01:19:58,513 --> 01:20:00,226 here it come back. 1626 01:20:00,226 --> 01:20:02,106 - They were really, really, nervous, 1627 01:20:03,347 --> 01:20:07,281 but they were incredibly professional. 1628 01:20:08,169 --> 01:20:11,912 They got worried because they're gonna play 1629 01:20:11,912 --> 01:20:14,927 20,000 seaters every night. 1630 01:20:14,927 --> 01:20:18,247 And you know we played like Madison Square Garden, 1631 01:20:18,247 --> 01:20:20,410 Cobo Hall in Detroit. 1632 01:20:23,387 --> 01:20:26,156 And what must've that been like 1633 01:20:26,156 --> 01:20:27,587 for them? 1634 01:20:27,587 --> 01:20:30,192 Hanging out with The Who, you know who are 1635 01:20:30,192 --> 01:20:34,064 very generous with their time and drugs 1636 01:20:34,064 --> 01:20:38,065 to the lads, so it was a wonderful experience 1637 01:20:38,065 --> 01:20:40,638 and it broke them as an act. 1638 01:20:41,843 --> 01:20:43,415 - [Voiceover] Riding high on the back 1639 01:20:43,415 --> 01:20:45,140 of The Who shows in the new year the band 1640 01:20:45,140 --> 01:20:48,542 returned to the studio to begin work on a second album. 1641 01:20:48,542 --> 01:20:51,264 Now, partly established the financial necessities 1642 01:20:51,264 --> 01:20:53,681 of staying in the South no longer applied 1643 01:20:53,681 --> 01:20:55,934 and for this LP Al Kooper decided to bring 1644 01:20:55,934 --> 01:20:57,987 the Jacksonville boys into the heart 1645 01:20:57,987 --> 01:21:00,064 of the entertainment world, booking sessions 1646 01:21:00,064 --> 01:21:03,435 at the Record Plant in Los Angeles in January 1974. 1647 01:21:04,493 --> 01:21:06,582 For the rising stars what was becoming know 1648 01:21:06,582 --> 01:21:10,281 as Southern Rock it was a far cry from Doraville, Georgia. 1649 01:21:11,193 --> 01:21:14,877 - They were out recording a track together 1650 01:21:14,877 --> 01:21:18,291 and John Lennon came into the control room 1651 01:21:18,291 --> 01:21:19,981 to ask me a question. 1652 01:21:19,981 --> 01:21:23,301 I think he was in there for maybe 30 seconds. 1653 01:21:23,301 --> 01:21:26,446 He went back out and the stopped playing and they said, 1654 01:21:26,446 --> 01:21:29,124 "Was that John Lennon that just came in the booth?" 1655 01:21:30,881 --> 01:21:32,664 I said, "Yeah." 1656 01:21:32,664 --> 01:21:37,185 Ronnie said, "We have to take a break for a few minutes." 1657 01:21:38,519 --> 01:21:40,948 - [Voiceover] Yet, despite the prestigious, newly built 1658 01:21:40,948 --> 01:21:43,635 studio Kooper had chosen to record the album in 1659 01:21:43,635 --> 01:21:46,122 some band members weren't entirely convinced 1660 01:21:46,122 --> 01:21:49,214 with the Record Plant or the material itself. 1661 01:21:49,214 --> 01:21:54,214 - To me it was not as much fun as playing albums. 1662 01:21:54,447 --> 01:21:58,366 It seemed like it was a whole lot harder work 1663 01:21:58,366 --> 01:22:01,581 cause those songs weren't to me 1664 01:22:01,581 --> 01:22:04,913 as close to me as the songs on Pronounced. 1665 01:22:04,913 --> 01:22:06,661 - The Second Helping was not as pleasant 1666 01:22:06,661 --> 01:22:08,715 because of the environment. 1667 01:22:08,715 --> 01:22:11,914 Really, Studio One in Doraville, Georgia, is a great place 1668 01:22:11,914 --> 01:22:12,771 to record. 1669 01:22:12,771 --> 01:22:14,108 I don't even know if it's there anymore, 1670 01:22:14,108 --> 01:22:19,108 but the ambient sound, the familiarity we had 1671 01:22:19,388 --> 01:22:24,388 with the board, the guys, we missed it, missed it a lot. 1672 01:22:25,243 --> 01:22:26,733 The difference between playing in a room 1673 01:22:26,733 --> 01:22:31,461 where the floor is tiled or wood versus 1674 01:22:31,461 --> 01:22:33,831 playing in a room where the whole floor is carpeted 1675 01:22:33,831 --> 01:22:36,647 and at Record Plant, the whole floor was carpeted 1676 01:22:36,647 --> 01:22:38,395 and it was just dead in there. 1677 01:22:38,395 --> 01:22:40,742 To me Second Helping, except for Sweet Home Alabama 1678 01:22:40,742 --> 01:22:43,793 which was recorded in Doraville, Second Helping has 1679 01:22:43,793 --> 01:22:45,333 that dead sound to it. 1680 01:22:46,183 --> 01:22:48,299 ♪ Swamp Music ♪ 1681 01:23:06,411 --> 01:23:07,373 ♪ Going down to ♪ 1682 01:23:07,373 --> 01:23:09,684 - [Voiceover] Despite these reservations upon it's release 1683 01:23:09,684 --> 01:23:13,345 in April 1974, Second Helping proved an enormous 1684 01:23:13,345 --> 01:23:14,999 commercial success. 1685 01:23:14,999 --> 01:23:17,498 Although like Pronounced it took it's time building 1686 01:23:17,498 --> 01:23:20,690 up momentum not aided by the failure of it's lead single 1687 01:23:20,690 --> 01:23:22,864 Ask Me No Questions to chart. 1688 01:23:23,858 --> 01:23:26,263 Yet, the input of Ed King as a composer the new 1689 01:23:26,263 --> 01:23:28,111 three pronged guitar line up 1690 01:23:28,111 --> 01:23:30,605 and Ronnie Van Zant's continued development 1691 01:23:30,605 --> 01:23:33,057 as a songwriter meant that over time the album 1692 01:23:33,057 --> 01:23:35,310 would make a significant impact. 1693 01:23:35,310 --> 01:23:37,118 - Lynyrd Skynyrd was very unique starting 1694 01:23:37,118 --> 01:23:39,773 with Second Helping and having three guitar players. 1695 01:23:40,626 --> 01:23:43,888 It's something that on paper can't work, 1696 01:23:43,888 --> 01:23:46,129 but each of the guitarists, Ed King, 1697 01:23:46,129 --> 01:23:48,182 Gary Rossington, and Allen Collins were 1698 01:23:48,182 --> 01:23:50,974 very different and had their own strengths 1699 01:23:50,974 --> 01:23:53,169 and understood that about each other. 1700 01:23:53,169 --> 01:23:56,149 I think Second Helping stands up as a great album. 1701 01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:57,545 It has Call me the Breeze. 1702 01:23:57,545 --> 01:23:59,364 It has The Ballad Of Curtis-Loew. 1703 01:23:59,364 --> 01:24:01,429 There was depth to the music 1704 01:24:01,429 --> 01:24:02,625 and to the singing, 1705 01:24:02,625 --> 01:24:04,098 and to everything about it, 1706 01:24:04,098 --> 01:24:06,632 that again made you feel things without 1707 01:24:06,632 --> 01:24:08,956 quite understanding them which is what 1708 01:24:08,956 --> 01:24:11,197 the best music should do. 1709 01:24:11,197 --> 01:24:15,045 ♪ Well, I used to wake the morning ♪ 1710 01:24:15,045 --> 01:24:19,445 ♪ Before the rooster crow ♪ 1711 01:24:19,445 --> 01:24:22,508 ♪ Searching for soda bottles ♪ 1712 01:24:22,508 --> 01:24:26,638 ♪ To get myself some dough ♪ 1713 01:24:26,638 --> 01:24:29,423 ♪ Brought them down to the corner ♪ 1714 01:24:29,423 --> 01:24:33,826 ♪ Down to the country store ♪ 1715 01:24:33,826 --> 01:24:36,395 ♪ Cash them in and give my money ♪ 1716 01:24:36,395 --> 01:24:38,898 ♪ To a man named Curtis-Loew ♪ 1717 01:24:40,491 --> 01:24:43,448 - Allen Collins and Ronnie brought Curtis-Loew, 1718 01:24:43,448 --> 01:24:45,184 The Ballad of Curtis-Loew to the band 1719 01:24:45,184 --> 01:24:47,672 and unlike any other song we'd written, 1720 01:24:47,672 --> 01:24:50,112 that was written outside of our rehearsal space. 1721 01:24:50,112 --> 01:24:52,377 That was written at home, so they already 1722 01:24:52,377 --> 01:24:54,547 brought it finished and I arranged it 1723 01:24:54,547 --> 01:24:57,774 and it was an inspiration. 1724 01:24:57,774 --> 01:24:59,581 Here's a song I didn't write that I really kind 1725 01:24:59,581 --> 01:25:01,435 of grabbed on to and said, "Wow, this is 1726 01:25:01,435 --> 01:25:04,380 "it's a very cool song." 1727 01:25:04,380 --> 01:25:06,773 It's still one of my favorite Skynyrd songs. 1728 01:25:06,773 --> 01:25:11,773 ♪ Play me a song Curtis Loew, Curtis Loew ♪ 1729 01:25:13,273 --> 01:25:16,206 ♪ I got your drinkin' money ♪ 1730 01:25:16,206 --> 01:25:19,492 ♪ So tune up your dobro ♪ 1731 01:25:19,492 --> 01:25:22,401 ♪ People said he was useless ♪ 1732 01:25:22,401 --> 01:25:27,177 ♪ Them people all were fools ♪ 1733 01:25:27,177 --> 01:25:30,943 ♪ 'Cause Curtis Loew was the finest picker ♪ 1734 01:25:30,943 --> 01:25:33,458 ♪ To ever play the blues ♪ 1735 01:25:34,862 --> 01:25:37,959 - I think the band was definitely still growing 1736 01:25:37,959 --> 01:25:39,133 when they did Second Helping. 1737 01:25:39,133 --> 01:25:41,280 They were getting stronger and more confident.` 1738 01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:45,234 Ballad of Curtis-Loew is a great song, really cool 1739 01:25:45,234 --> 01:25:47,604 and sort of very distinctive. 1740 01:25:47,604 --> 01:25:49,868 It give Skynyrd this whole other part 1741 01:25:49,868 --> 01:25:53,036 of their personality and Call Me The Breeze 1742 01:25:53,036 --> 01:25:55,101 is this boogie tune. 1743 01:25:55,101 --> 01:25:58,375 I can hear a connection to like Bob Dylan 1744 01:25:58,375 --> 01:26:01,026 Watching The River Flow or something like that 1745 01:26:01,026 --> 01:26:04,611 and just the blues, but the beat and the way they play 1746 01:26:04,611 --> 01:26:07,592 with the breaks and things sort of designed 1747 01:26:07,592 --> 01:26:10,713 to sort of show off the band, arrangement wise. 1748 01:26:10,713 --> 01:26:14,186 It was definitely a step in the next direction. 1749 01:26:14,186 --> 01:26:18,034 I think that this was creatively maybe the high point 1750 01:26:18,034 --> 01:26:19,387 of the band. 1751 01:26:24,405 --> 01:26:26,963 ♪ Call me the breeze ♪ 1752 01:26:26,963 --> 01:26:31,963 ♪ I keep blowin' down the road ♪ 1753 01:26:32,548 --> 01:26:36,326 ♪ They call me the breeeze, baby ♪ 1754 01:26:36,326 --> 01:26:41,326 ♪ I keep blowing down the road ♪ 1755 01:26:42,169 --> 01:26:45,677 ♪ I ain't got me nobody ♪ 1756 01:26:45,677 --> 01:26:50,677 ♪ I don't carry me no load ♪ 1757 01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:55,064 ♪ Ain't no changin' the weather ♪ 1758 01:26:55,064 --> 01:26:57,496 ♪ Ain't no changes in me ♪ 1759 01:26:58,644 --> 01:26:59,911 - Ronnie Van Zant was showing 1760 01:26:59,911 --> 01:27:02,070 an incredible ability to write songs 1761 01:27:02,070 --> 01:27:04,510 that move people and also to have great taste 1762 01:27:04,510 --> 01:27:08,089 when picking outside song writers which they didn't do 1763 01:27:08,089 --> 01:27:11,081 a lot of, but they did with great effect when they did. 1764 01:27:11,081 --> 01:27:13,474 Call Me The Breeze I think is the perfect example. 1765 01:27:13,474 --> 01:27:16,349 JJ Cale's a great songwriter who also provided great songs 1766 01:27:16,349 --> 01:27:19,860 for Eric Clapton, just by pulling from him 1767 01:27:20,831 --> 01:27:23,963 with the same sort of musical gusto and swagger 1768 01:27:23,963 --> 01:27:25,712 and upbeat swing. 1769 01:27:25,712 --> 01:27:28,692 It was again, music that made you feel good. 1770 01:27:28,692 --> 01:27:31,320 They took a very cool, laid-back, sort 1771 01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:34,694 of swampy JJ Cale song and turned it 1772 01:27:34,694 --> 01:27:38,284 into an out and out party, rock anthem 1773 01:27:38,284 --> 01:27:39,833 that gets everybody up 1774 01:27:39,833 --> 01:27:41,279 and dancing and feeling good. 1775 01:27:42,355 --> 01:27:43,974 - [Voiceover] Shortly after the album's release 1776 01:27:43,974 --> 01:27:46,051 the band played their biggest show to date 1777 01:27:46,051 --> 01:27:47,682 alongside The Allman Brothers Band 1778 01:27:47,682 --> 01:27:50,865 at the Georgia Jam in front of 61,000 fans 1779 01:27:50,865 --> 01:27:52,563 in Atlanta. 1780 01:27:52,563 --> 01:27:54,992 On the back of their country hit Ramblin' Man 1781 01:27:54,992 --> 01:27:56,978 at this time Greg Allman's ensemble were 1782 01:27:56,978 --> 01:28:00,272 at the peak of their popularity and other Capricorn acts 1783 01:28:00,272 --> 01:28:01,809 such as The Marshall Tucker Band 1784 01:28:01,809 --> 01:28:04,652 and Wet Willie had also begun to build a strong following. 1785 01:28:05,622 --> 01:28:08,098 Despite being uncomfortable about being identified 1786 01:28:08,098 --> 01:28:10,808 too closely with this wave of music now being dubbed 1787 01:28:10,808 --> 01:28:13,333 Southern Rock, Skynyrd were canny enough to know 1788 01:28:13,333 --> 01:28:15,616 they had the songs to distinguish them 1789 01:28:15,616 --> 01:28:17,669 from these contemporaries. 1790 01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:19,276 - They played with The Marshall Tucker Band 1791 01:28:19,276 --> 01:28:20,321 on a lot of dates. 1792 01:28:20,321 --> 01:28:22,303 They played with The Allman Brothers on a few dates. 1793 01:28:22,303 --> 01:28:24,674 They played with Charlie Daniels on some dates. 1794 01:28:24,674 --> 01:28:26,958 Skynyrd got a bigger picture actually that we are who we are 1795 01:28:26,958 --> 01:28:29,575 and we're going to knock them dead 1796 01:28:29,575 --> 01:28:32,086 and just give us that stage and give us our time 1797 01:28:32,086 --> 01:28:33,802 and we're gonna go prove it. 1798 01:28:35,993 --> 01:28:38,445 If somebody can follow us, God Bless them, 1799 01:28:38,445 --> 01:28:40,240 but it wasn't really competitive. 1800 01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,622 It was an amount of self-assurance. 1801 01:28:42,622 --> 01:28:44,866 - Lynyrd Skynyrd was the show stopper. 1802 01:28:46,177 --> 01:28:48,559 When I walked to the stage 1803 01:28:48,559 --> 01:28:50,929 with Lynyrd Skynyrd the hairs 1804 01:28:50,929 --> 01:28:52,857 on the back of my neck stood up. 1805 01:28:53,968 --> 01:28:58,968 It was like the Gladiators going into the arena. 1806 01:28:58,989 --> 01:29:01,113 We're fixing to kill. 1807 01:29:01,113 --> 01:29:04,363 We're gonna blow this roof off of this place, 1808 01:29:04,363 --> 01:29:08,767 and we did, over and over and over again. 1809 01:29:09,702 --> 01:29:12,060 - [Voiceover] Yet, from the beginning of 1974 1810 01:29:12,060 --> 01:29:14,563 controversy had surrounded Skynyrd's live shows. 1811 01:29:15,451 --> 01:29:17,833 While they were in part looking to distance themselves 1812 01:29:17,833 --> 01:29:20,261 from the Southern Rock boom, the new decision 1813 01:29:20,261 --> 01:29:23,042 to use the Confederate Flag as the band's onstage 1814 01:29:23,042 --> 01:29:25,588 backdrop in many ways identified them 1815 01:29:25,588 --> 01:29:27,864 as the quintessential Southern band. 1816 01:29:27,864 --> 01:29:30,422 The connotations of the flag itself raise serious 1817 01:29:30,422 --> 01:29:31,736 questions. 1818 01:29:31,736 --> 01:29:34,411 Not only did it represent the South's historical defense 1819 01:29:34,411 --> 01:29:37,767 of slavery it had also been subsequently appropriated 1820 01:29:37,767 --> 01:29:40,395 by the Ku Klux Klan and a number of other white 1821 01:29:40,395 --> 01:29:41,654 supremacist groups. 1822 01:29:42,765 --> 01:29:45,124 - They were not in favor of this at the beginning. 1823 01:29:45,124 --> 01:29:48,949 According to them it was all MCA's doing. 1824 01:29:48,949 --> 01:29:52,820 It was the marketing people, the promotions people. 1825 01:29:52,820 --> 01:29:57,126 Sat back in L.A. and New York and they would say, 1826 01:29:57,126 --> 01:29:59,414 "How we gonna present this band? 1827 01:29:59,414 --> 01:30:00,635 "You know they come on stage. 1828 01:30:00,635 --> 01:30:03,849 "They sing about growing up in the deep South 1829 01:30:03,849 --> 01:30:05,997 "and all that goes along with that. 1830 01:30:05,997 --> 01:30:07,921 "How we gonna present it?" 1831 01:30:07,921 --> 01:30:09,352 And they come up with, "Well, why don't we do 1832 01:30:09,352 --> 01:30:12,415 "the Confederate Flag behind them?" 1833 01:30:12,415 --> 01:30:13,916 One of the worse decisions ever made, 1834 01:30:13,916 --> 01:30:15,172 but also one of the best 1835 01:30:15,172 --> 01:30:17,753 because it really became identified with them, 1836 01:30:17,753 --> 01:30:20,780 but also forced them to have to explain. 1837 01:30:20,780 --> 01:30:22,857 They had some splainin' to do. 1838 01:30:22,857 --> 01:30:26,494 Mostly the critics who are based in New York 1839 01:30:26,494 --> 01:30:29,122 and L.A. you know, people like Lester Bangs, 1840 01:30:29,122 --> 01:30:31,434 and you know, Robert Christgau, and people 1841 01:30:31,434 --> 01:30:34,418 very araldite men, Robert Hilburn, people like that. 1842 01:30:35,470 --> 01:30:38,239 Were not so, quick to accept the Confederate Flag 1843 01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:40,937 as an innocent symbol of rock-n-roll. 1844 01:30:40,937 --> 01:30:42,463 That was a symbol of slavery. 1845 01:30:42,463 --> 01:30:44,457 That was a symbol of treason. 1846 01:30:44,457 --> 01:30:47,285 That was a symbol of 1/2 a million Americans dying 1847 01:30:47,285 --> 01:30:49,162 in a war. 1848 01:30:49,162 --> 01:30:51,990 - As to who's decision it was, I think if the band didn't 1849 01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:53,550 want to do it they wouldn't have done it. 1850 01:30:53,550 --> 01:30:58,550 As a natural thing to do because the band didn't see it 1851 01:30:59,186 --> 01:31:01,548 in the way it was often interpreted. 1852 01:31:02,621 --> 01:31:04,162 A piece of history, you know. 1853 01:31:06,341 --> 01:31:08,676 I think that they kind of wanted to do it 1854 01:31:08,676 --> 01:31:13,676 as rebels, as Southerners, not to relive the past 1855 01:31:15,094 --> 01:31:18,426 in stretch of the imagination. 1856 01:31:18,426 --> 01:31:21,723 I don't think it was any more than we grew up in the South 1857 01:31:21,723 --> 01:31:24,398 let's put the flag up there and go play for it. 1858 01:31:24,398 --> 01:31:26,956 Unfortunately it could be misunderstood. 1859 01:31:26,956 --> 01:31:30,100 - The idea of using a Confederate Flag as a back drop 1860 01:31:30,100 --> 01:31:32,470 on the stage came from the band. 1861 01:31:32,470 --> 01:31:37,470 MCA would never have suggested that 1862 01:31:38,114 --> 01:31:41,352 because you know, it's derisive 1863 01:31:41,352 --> 01:31:43,550 and racially. 1864 01:31:47,113 --> 01:31:50,331 But MCA didn't stop them from it either. 1865 01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:52,725 Nor I. 1866 01:31:53,578 --> 01:31:55,189 That's what they wanted to do. 1867 01:31:56,241 --> 01:31:59,773 That's what they felt in their hearts. 1868 01:31:59,773 --> 01:32:01,924 That's who they believed they were. 1869 01:32:03,304 --> 01:32:06,546 That's who they were, so that's what they did. 1870 01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:10,802 - I always thought it was a Rebel Flag. 1871 01:32:10,802 --> 01:32:13,113 Me personally, understand I'm from Southern 1872 01:32:13,113 --> 01:32:17,220 California, I'm about as anti-slavery as you can get. 1873 01:32:17,220 --> 01:32:19,496 The flag being part of their heritage, 1874 01:32:19,496 --> 01:32:20,755 I understand that, too. 1875 01:32:21,725 --> 01:32:24,353 Just because we draped a flag back there doesn't mean 1876 01:32:24,353 --> 01:32:27,862 that we believed in slavery or anything. 1877 01:32:27,862 --> 01:32:30,537 It's simply a Rebel Flag 1878 01:32:30,537 --> 01:32:32,418 and the band was surely Rebels. 1879 01:32:34,092 --> 01:32:35,699 - [Voiceover] This controversy was heightened 1880 01:32:35,699 --> 01:32:37,412 with the release of Skynyrd's next single, 1881 01:32:37,412 --> 01:32:39,642 Sweet Home Alabama which was in part 1882 01:32:39,642 --> 01:32:41,331 an anthem for the South. 1883 01:32:41,331 --> 01:32:43,420 It also a highly ambiguous statement 1884 01:32:43,420 --> 01:32:44,620 from Ronnie Van Zant. 1885 01:32:45,778 --> 01:32:48,265 Not only did he address Neil Young in the lyrics 1886 01:32:48,265 --> 01:32:50,484 taking him to task for the songs, Southern Man 1887 01:32:50,484 --> 01:32:52,795 and Alabama in which Young had condemned 1888 01:32:52,795 --> 01:32:54,790 white Southerners for their racism. 1889 01:32:54,790 --> 01:32:57,547 He also made reference to Alabama's segregationist 1890 01:32:57,547 --> 01:32:58,935 Governor, George Wallace. 1891 01:33:00,633 --> 01:33:04,340 - I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet 1892 01:33:04,340 --> 01:33:08,987 before the feet of tyranny I say segregation now, 1893 01:33:08,987 --> 01:33:12,944 segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever. 1894 01:33:14,138 --> 01:33:15,784 - [Voiceover] These lyrics would forever cause doubt 1895 01:33:15,784 --> 01:33:18,737 over Van Zant's own position on segregation. 1896 01:33:18,737 --> 01:33:21,013 Yet, the controversy in no way damaged the impact 1897 01:33:21,013 --> 01:33:23,595 of the single itself which not only provided the band 1898 01:33:23,595 --> 01:33:26,505 with their first top 10 hit on the Billboard Chart, 1899 01:33:26,505 --> 01:33:28,514 but also broke them internationally. 1900 01:33:29,567 --> 01:33:31,996 - Ronnie was proud to be from the South. 1901 01:33:31,996 --> 01:33:35,081 It's a rallying cry for the South. 1902 01:33:35,081 --> 01:33:37,369 That's really what Sweet Home Alabama is. 1903 01:33:37,369 --> 01:33:40,256 If they hadn't written this great song, 1904 01:33:40,256 --> 01:33:42,686 really strong song we wouldn't be talking 1905 01:33:42,686 --> 01:33:44,821 about it today, nobody would care. 1906 01:33:44,821 --> 01:33:47,156 - Sweet Home Alabama represents the growing 1907 01:33:47,156 --> 01:33:50,265 confidence of young southern men. 1908 01:33:50,265 --> 01:33:52,707 - It represents the growing confidence of the band. 1909 01:33:52,707 --> 01:33:57,142 It represents some sort of swagger awash in America. 1910 01:33:57,142 --> 01:33:59,923 It gave people a sort of wistful feeling 1911 01:33:59,923 --> 01:34:04,229 of wanting something that was gone and again 1912 01:34:04,229 --> 01:34:06,904 for some people that represented wanting something 1913 01:34:06,904 --> 01:34:09,524 that most of the world was happy it was gone, 1914 01:34:10,389 --> 01:34:12,935 but for many other people it didn't represent 1915 01:34:12,935 --> 01:34:14,495 that specifically at all. 1916 01:34:14,495 --> 01:34:19,495 It just represented something good in some indefinable way. 1917 01:34:20,620 --> 01:34:23,987 It was a song that made you happy, made you stomp your feet, 1918 01:34:23,987 --> 01:34:28,270 made you jump up out of your seat and they just nailed it. 1919 01:34:28,270 --> 01:34:31,179 Everything came together into a perfect song 1920 01:34:31,179 --> 01:34:32,986 for that band at that time. 1921 01:34:32,986 --> 01:34:37,539 ♪ Well, I heard Mr. Young sing about her ♪ 1922 01:34:37,539 --> 01:34:42,302 ♪ Well, I hear old Neil put her down ♪ 1923 01:34:42,302 --> 01:34:47,113 ♪ Well, I hope Neil Young will remember ♪ 1924 01:34:47,113 --> 01:34:52,064 ♪ A Southern Man don't need him around anyhow ♪ 1925 01:34:52,064 --> 01:34:56,922 ♪ Sweet Home Alabama ♪ 1926 01:34:56,922 --> 01:35:01,568 ♪ Where the skis are so blue, whoo ♪ 1927 01:35:01,568 --> 01:35:04,243 - What I always thought was it was a completley 1928 01:35:04,243 --> 01:35:05,862 legitimate song. 1929 01:35:05,862 --> 01:35:08,631 I never had any problem with that song. 1930 01:35:08,631 --> 01:35:10,896 I'm not suggesting that the political logic 1931 01:35:10,896 --> 01:35:14,873 of Sweet Home Alabama is anything special, 1932 01:35:14,873 --> 01:35:18,405 but simply as an expression of feeling 1933 01:35:18,405 --> 01:35:20,388 it seem completely legitimate. 1934 01:35:20,388 --> 01:35:23,098 Basically, he's saying to Neil Young 1935 01:35:23,098 --> 01:35:24,899 who's after all a Canadian, 1936 01:35:24,899 --> 01:35:26,601 don't you moralize at us. 1937 01:35:26,601 --> 01:35:28,227 And I don't think that's a bad thing 1938 01:35:28,227 --> 01:35:29,271 fort somebody to say. 1939 01:35:29,271 --> 01:35:30,620 He was moralizing. 1940 01:35:30,620 --> 01:35:32,075 And I love Neil Young. 1941 01:35:32,075 --> 01:35:33,577 Neil Young is one of my favorite artists 1942 01:35:33,577 --> 01:35:34,953 in the whole history of his music. 1943 01:35:35,794 --> 01:35:40,794 ♪ Southern man better keep your head ♪ 1944 01:35:41,497 --> 01:35:46,497 ♪ Don't forget what your good book said ♪ 1945 01:35:48,008 --> 01:35:53,008 ♪ Southern change gonna come at last ♪ 1946 01:35:54,133 --> 01:35:59,133 ♪ Now your crosses are burning fast. ♪ 1947 01:35:59,671 --> 01:36:00,871 ♪ Southern man ♪ 1948 01:36:06,418 --> 01:36:08,048 - The Neil Young thing of course 1949 01:36:08,048 --> 01:36:10,512 it was a repost to Neil Young 1950 01:36:10,512 --> 01:36:13,987 for dumping on Southern men, you know, 1951 01:36:13,987 --> 01:36:16,345 didn't do what the good book says 1952 01:36:16,345 --> 01:36:18,152 and yeah, he had every right to, Neil Young 1953 01:36:18,152 --> 01:36:21,097 had every right to do a song like that. 1954 01:36:21,097 --> 01:36:22,271 It was perfectly timed. 1955 01:36:22,271 --> 01:36:26,788 And Ronnie had every perfect right to dispute it 1956 01:36:26,788 --> 01:36:28,970 and stand up for Southern manhood. 1957 01:36:28,970 --> 01:36:30,707 That part of it was fine, 1958 01:36:30,707 --> 01:36:35,042 but when you get into the Governor in Birmingham 1959 01:36:35,042 --> 01:36:37,776 Birmingham, why did he choose Birmingham? 1960 01:36:38,699 --> 01:36:39,896 It's not the capital of the state. 1961 01:36:39,896 --> 01:36:41,985 Birmingham is a place where the worse, 1962 01:36:41,985 --> 01:36:45,575 bloodiest race riots happened in Alabama. 1963 01:36:45,575 --> 01:36:48,239 Why did is he choosing, in Birmingham 1964 01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:50,234 they love the governor,. 1965 01:36:50,234 --> 01:36:51,196 Yeah, we know that. 1966 01:36:51,196 --> 01:36:53,425 They love him because they're a bunch of racists. 1967 01:36:53,425 --> 01:36:56,010 So is he was he sending them up? 1968 01:36:56,921 --> 01:36:59,421 Or was he endorsing them? 1969 01:36:59,421 --> 01:37:00,829 We never knew. 1970 01:37:00,829 --> 01:37:03,515 - I put the background vocals on that 1971 01:37:03,515 --> 01:37:06,930 without discussing it with them. 1972 01:37:06,930 --> 01:37:08,901 It was a very tough session 1973 01:37:08,901 --> 01:37:10,711 because I used black women 1974 01:37:11,635 --> 01:37:14,380 and they don't think Sweet Home Alabama 1975 01:37:14,380 --> 01:37:17,071 they think George Wallace. 1976 01:37:20,176 --> 01:37:23,029 ♪ In Birmingham they love the governor ♪ 1977 01:37:23,029 --> 01:37:25,287 ♪ Boo, hoo, hoo ♪ 1978 01:37:25,287 --> 01:37:27,634 ♪ Now we all did what we could do ♪ 1979 01:37:27,634 --> 01:37:28,764 - What's he doing there? 1980 01:37:29,805 --> 01:37:31,729 He's playing both ends against the middle. 1981 01:37:31,729 --> 01:37:33,172 That's what he's doing. 1982 01:37:33,172 --> 01:37:35,131 That boo, boo, boo thing. 1983 01:37:35,131 --> 01:37:36,786 Who was booing?: 1984 01:37:36,786 --> 01:37:38,827 He leaves that completely open. 1985 01:37:38,827 --> 01:37:41,001 I really tried to pin him down on it. 1986 01:37:45,246 --> 01:37:48,376 He said, with a fair amount of clarity 1987 01:37:49,944 --> 01:37:54,286 that he did not agree with George Wallace's view of race. 1988 01:37:54,286 --> 01:37:57,547 He said that with a fair amount of clarity. 1989 01:37:57,547 --> 01:38:01,045 Did he therefore think that the appeal that George Wallace 1990 01:38:01,045 --> 01:38:04,491 had to working-class Southerners was all together 1991 01:38:04,491 --> 01:38:07,953 illegitimate when no other candidate was 1992 01:38:07,953 --> 01:38:09,549 in any way trying to meet 1993 01:38:09,549 --> 01:38:12,506 any of their interests and George Wallace was smart enough 1994 01:38:12,506 --> 01:38:16,131 to do class stuff and in fact did some liberal stuff 1995 01:38:16,131 --> 01:38:18,032 for working people in Alabama. 1996 01:38:18,032 --> 01:38:20,543 He understands that there's something about George Wallace 1997 01:38:20,543 --> 01:38:22,162 that he want to celebrate. 1998 01:38:22,162 --> 01:38:23,535 And there's something about George Wallace 1999 01:38:23,535 --> 01:38:25,330 that he wants to critcize. 2000 01:38:25,330 --> 01:38:27,434 There's a certain type of chip on shoulder, 2001 01:38:29,026 --> 01:38:34,026 double-dare you thing going on where he wants 2002 01:38:34,083 --> 01:38:38,180 to rile up and get his core audience, 2003 01:38:38,180 --> 01:38:39,862 the people he grew up with 2004 01:38:40,778 --> 01:38:45,701 and wants to say to the rest of the rock audience 2005 01:38:45,701 --> 01:38:47,727 who he really would love to have on board, 2006 01:38:47,727 --> 01:38:49,319 who he wants to have buying his record. 2007 01:38:49,319 --> 01:38:51,149 No, this is who I am. 2008 01:38:51,149 --> 01:38:52,757 Take it or leave it. 2009 01:38:52,757 --> 01:38:53,969 I'm gonna do this now 2010 01:38:55,115 --> 01:38:59,433 because I'm not simply going to be kissing ass here. 2011 01:38:59,433 --> 01:39:02,006 It's a very, very complicated gesture 2012 01:39:03,269 --> 01:39:06,449 that he brought off with more subtly than I can 2013 01:39:06,449 --> 01:39:09,914 in the end penetrate and that speaks well of him. 2014 01:39:10,919 --> 01:39:13,289 - [Voiceover] With a bonafide hit to propel them 2015 01:39:13,289 --> 01:39:15,812 Skynyrd continued to tour the US into the Summer. 2016 01:39:15,812 --> 01:39:18,557 Yet, despite their growing fame, their devotion 2017 01:39:18,557 --> 01:39:21,725 to the chaotic routine, of the rock-n-roll lifestyle 2018 01:39:21,725 --> 01:39:23,579 was beginning to take it's toll on the band 2019 01:39:23,579 --> 01:39:25,550 and strained their relationship with manager, 2020 01:39:25,550 --> 01:39:26,817 Alan Walden. 2021 01:39:26,817 --> 01:39:29,399 - By the time the band got out there 2022 01:39:29,399 --> 01:39:31,992 they had been playing the bars so long 2023 01:39:31,992 --> 01:39:35,418 that almost everybody in the band was an alcoholic, 2024 01:39:35,418 --> 01:39:37,412 myself included, you know. 2025 01:39:37,412 --> 01:39:41,812 I needed to grasp real control of the band 2026 01:39:41,812 --> 01:39:45,144 before they started fucking up the whole thing. 2027 01:39:45,144 --> 01:39:50,144 I began to have to talk to hotel managers 2028 01:39:51,633 --> 01:39:55,238 more and more and more about them tearing up hotels. 2029 01:39:56,608 --> 01:39:57,906 Spend a good bit of time trying 2030 01:39:57,906 --> 01:40:01,801 to convince the law officials not to arrest them all, okay? 2031 01:40:01,801 --> 01:40:05,603 Finally in Saint Louis one night, they were checking 2032 01:40:05,603 --> 01:40:09,174 in to a hotel and on the way in, checking in, 2033 01:40:09,174 --> 01:40:12,712 they busted out the exit signs in the hallway. 2034 01:40:13,670 --> 01:40:16,333 Well, the bellman calls down to the desk 2035 01:40:16,333 --> 01:40:19,059 and the desk comes up and says, "Hey, you guys gotta leave." 2036 01:40:19,947 --> 01:40:21,789 "Well, that ain't no problem, we'll get our manager to get 2037 01:40:21,789 --> 01:40:23,467 "another hotel." 2038 01:40:23,467 --> 01:40:25,348 There was a convention in town. 2039 01:40:26,236 --> 01:40:30,296 That was the last hotel that had any rooms, okay. 2040 01:40:30,296 --> 01:40:33,264 So now they're mad with me because I can't get them 2041 01:40:33,264 --> 01:40:34,590 a room in the middle of the night. 2042 01:40:34,590 --> 01:40:35,755 I said, "Let me tell you something, 2043 01:40:36,796 --> 01:40:39,706 "this just goes to show you why you shouldn't be doing 2044 01:40:39,706 --> 01:40:41,841 "this dumb shit." 2045 01:40:41,841 --> 01:40:43,660 - [Voiceover] In August the band members returned 2046 01:40:43,660 --> 01:40:45,678 to Jacksonville and back in the relatively tranquil 2047 01:40:45,678 --> 01:40:48,775 environment of their home turf were able to recover 2048 01:40:48,775 --> 01:40:50,652 from their excesses. 2049 01:40:50,652 --> 01:40:53,811 Work soon began at Hell House and new material however, 2050 01:40:53,811 --> 01:40:56,204 with a creative partnership of Ed King and Ronnie Van Zant 2051 01:40:56,204 --> 01:40:57,381 continued to thrive. 2052 01:40:58,246 --> 01:41:00,193 - I came to rehearsal with this groove 2053 01:41:00,193 --> 01:41:01,320 that Ronnie really liked. 2054 01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:03,537 Actually Ronnie contributed to the groove. 2055 01:41:03,537 --> 01:41:05,379 It was the first time he ever did. 2056 01:41:05,379 --> 01:41:07,280 He says, "Look, I like that and the verses 2057 01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:09,122 "want you to do this and then go back 2058 01:41:09,122 --> 01:41:10,126 "to what you have." 2059 01:41:10,126 --> 01:41:12,039 Saturday Night Special 2060 01:41:12,039 --> 01:41:13,466 So I'm there rehearsing with the band trying 2061 01:41:13,466 --> 01:41:15,730 to teach them the groove and Ronnie's over there 2062 01:41:15,730 --> 01:41:18,769 in the corner and after about 20 minutes Ronnie comes 2063 01:41:18,769 --> 01:41:20,951 up to me, not on the mic which he usually did, 2064 01:41:20,951 --> 01:41:24,882 sing for everybody, this is really, this tore me up. 2065 01:41:24,882 --> 01:41:28,308 He cupped my ear with his hand 2066 01:41:28,308 --> 01:41:29,368 and he sung to me. 2067 01:41:30,631 --> 01:41:33,756 "Two feets they come a creepin 2068 01:41:34,738 --> 01:41:36,891 "like a black cat do." 2069 01:41:36,891 --> 01:41:39,194 You know, and he sang the whole verse to me. 2070 01:41:43,708 --> 01:41:47,697 ♪ Two thiefs they come a creepin' ♪ 2071 01:41:47,697 --> 01:41:51,604 ♪ Like a black cat do ♪ 2072 01:41:51,604 --> 01:41:55,628 ♪ Two bodies laying necked ♪ 2073 01:41:55,628 --> 01:41:59,618 ♪ Creeper think he got nothing to lose ♪ 2074 01:41:59,618 --> 01:42:03,759 ♪ So he creeps into the house, Lord ♪ 2075 01:42:03,759 --> 01:42:07,678 ♪ Unlocks the door ♪ 2076 01:42:07,678 --> 01:42:11,609 ♪ And as a man's reaching for his trousers ♪ 2077 01:42:11,609 --> 01:42:15,809 ♪ Shoots him full of bullet holes ♪ 2078 01:42:15,809 --> 01:42:20,010 ♪ Mister Saturday night special ♪ 2079 01:42:20,010 --> 01:42:21,820 - I mean I feel inspired now just thinking about it. 2080 01:42:21,820 --> 01:42:25,209 I went right to the chorus and then he wrote the chorus. 2081 01:42:25,209 --> 01:42:27,403 So he had a verse and a chorus, 2082 01:42:27,403 --> 01:42:28,518 went to go fishing. 2083 01:42:28,518 --> 01:42:30,477 He went fishing, you know. 2084 01:42:30,477 --> 01:42:31,932 - [Voiceover] Although Saturday Night Special 2085 01:42:31,932 --> 01:42:34,431 developed quickly the rehearsals also highlighted 2086 01:42:34,431 --> 01:42:37,364 the limitations of drummer Bob Burns who was struggling 2087 01:42:37,364 --> 01:42:39,781 to recover from the heavy touring during the first half 2088 01:42:39,781 --> 01:42:41,224 of the year. 2089 01:42:41,224 --> 01:42:43,724 Although Ronnie Van Zant started looking for a temporary 2090 01:42:43,724 --> 01:42:46,856 replacement, Burns himself sensed that his time with Skynyrd 2091 01:42:46,856 --> 01:42:48,021 was coming to an end. 2092 01:42:49,039 --> 01:42:50,955 - I just got so burned out. 2093 01:42:51,926 --> 01:42:54,898 What they were asking for I just 2094 01:42:56,572 --> 01:42:58,523 had had so much of it 2095 01:42:59,705 --> 01:43:01,104 and for so long 2096 01:43:06,768 --> 01:43:08,778 I just told them to get another drummer. 2097 01:43:11,402 --> 01:43:12,837 You see the way I'm playing 2098 01:43:17,175 --> 01:43:20,752 and I developed some pretty serious illnesses 2099 01:43:25,301 --> 01:43:28,340 to keep me where I couldn't play correctly. 2100 01:43:28,340 --> 01:43:30,393 - We tried to rehearse Saturday Night Special with him, 2101 01:43:30,393 --> 01:43:31,906 but it just wasn't right. 2102 01:43:31,906 --> 01:43:35,235 Leon and I went to Atlanta and auditioned Artimus Pyle 2103 01:43:35,235 --> 01:43:38,098 who was a good friend of the Marshall Tucker boys. 2104 01:43:38,098 --> 01:43:42,322 Al Kooper dropped by and said, "You know that song 2105 01:43:42,322 --> 01:43:45,102 "you guys worked up, Saturday Night Special, 2106 01:43:45,102 --> 01:43:46,513 "why don't you work that up with Artimus 2107 01:43:46,513 --> 01:43:50,374 "because it's gonna be in this movie, The Longest Yard." 2108 01:43:50,374 --> 01:43:52,393 So we started working up with Artimus 2109 01:43:52,393 --> 01:43:54,282 and Al liked what he heard and he said, 2110 01:43:54,282 --> 01:43:56,605 "Go over to Studio one and record it." 2111 01:43:56,605 --> 01:43:58,200 So we did. 2112 01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:00,272 - [Voiceover] Artimus Pyle who had previously worked 2113 01:44:00,272 --> 01:44:03,174 with Charlie Daniels proved a perfect replacement for Burns. 2114 01:44:04,027 --> 01:44:06,564 ♪ For 20 dollars you can buy yourself one too ♪ 2115 01:44:08,356 --> 01:44:09,588 - Well, he was very good. 2116 01:44:09,588 --> 01:44:11,418 I thought he was better than Bob. 2117 01:44:11,418 --> 01:44:13,542 It was a good thing for the band, 2118 01:44:13,542 --> 01:44:16,804 musically it was really a good thing for the band. 2119 01:44:16,804 --> 01:44:19,714 - Ronnie called me after talking to Charlie 2120 01:44:19,714 --> 01:44:21,908 and after talking to the Caldwell brothers 2121 01:44:21,908 --> 01:44:24,594 Toy and Tommy, I think Charlie said something 2122 01:44:24,594 --> 01:44:26,988 to the effect of, "I know a guy that's crazy enough 2123 01:44:26,988 --> 01:44:28,947 "to be in your band, Ronnie. 2124 01:44:28,947 --> 01:44:32,131 "He's as crazy or crazier than all of you." 2125 01:44:34,005 --> 01:44:37,713 To be the drummer of Skynyrd you have to be a little crazy. 2126 01:44:37,713 --> 01:44:41,174 Ed knew that Bob had to take a break 2127 01:44:41,174 --> 01:44:43,204 and they needed somebody, so I was 2128 01:44:43,204 --> 01:44:46,528 Mister Somebody and I was thrilled. 2129 01:44:47,850 --> 01:44:49,951 - [Voiceover] During this break in their touring schedule 2130 01:44:49,951 --> 01:44:52,684 Van Zant also actively sought to severe the band's ties 2131 01:44:52,684 --> 01:44:55,453 with Alan Walden and another option was interested 2132 01:44:55,453 --> 01:44:57,108 and available. 2133 01:44:57,108 --> 01:44:59,830 British manager Peter Rutch who had been overseeing 2134 01:44:59,830 --> 01:45:03,045 The Who's affairs since 1971 was over awed 2135 01:45:03,045 --> 01:45:05,919 by Skynyrd shows opening the Quadrophenia tour 2136 01:45:05,919 --> 01:45:08,407 and had let Van Zant know that if the nature of the band's 2137 01:45:08,407 --> 01:45:10,554 relationship changed with Walden he'd 2138 01:45:10,554 --> 01:45:11,848 happily take his place. 2139 01:45:12,830 --> 01:45:16,584 - It was heart-breaking to me, but at the same time 2140 01:45:16,584 --> 01:45:20,128 it was like a big old concrete block falling off 2141 01:45:20,128 --> 01:45:21,735 of my shoulders. 2142 01:45:21,735 --> 01:45:23,440 - I don't think Ronnie trusted Alan. 2143 01:45:25,267 --> 01:45:27,402 Didn't think for where the band was headed 2144 01:45:27,402 --> 01:45:29,620 that Alan was the right guy. 2145 01:45:29,620 --> 01:45:31,157 Needed somebody bigger. 2146 01:45:31,157 --> 01:45:35,029 I and I think Peter Rutch, you know not many people 2147 01:45:35,029 --> 01:45:38,267 could get to Ronnie as far as making an impression 2148 01:45:38,267 --> 01:45:42,999 on him because Ronnie could suss you out pretty quick. 2149 01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:45,565 I mean real, real fast. 2150 01:45:45,565 --> 01:45:48,651 He was very, very bright, but Peter Rutch I think 2151 01:45:48,651 --> 01:45:50,587 put one over on him. 2152 01:45:50,587 --> 01:45:53,860 Not that Peter Rutch was deceptive or anything 2153 01:45:53,860 --> 01:45:57,063 except Ronnie was overwhelmed by Peter's accent 2154 01:45:57,063 --> 01:45:59,797 his demeanor, just Peter was the guy. 2155 01:45:59,797 --> 01:46:02,214 Of course, Peter managed The Who, and Tanya Tucker, 2156 01:46:02,214 --> 01:46:04,224 and The Stones, so why wouldn't he be, you know. 2157 01:46:05,136 --> 01:46:07,107 - [Voiceover] Rutch took over shortly before Skynyrd 2158 01:46:07,107 --> 01:46:09,477 was due to head to Europe for their first non-domestic 2159 01:46:09,477 --> 01:46:12,731 tour to capitalize on their surging popularity overseas. 2160 01:46:13,689 --> 01:46:16,036 The issue of a drummer now became pressing 2161 01:46:16,036 --> 01:46:18,230 as they still hadn't formerly invited Artimus Pyle 2162 01:46:18,230 --> 01:46:20,506 to take on the roll full time. 2163 01:46:20,506 --> 01:46:22,993 And a flagging Bob Burns was reluctantly taken along 2164 01:46:22,993 --> 01:46:24,366 for the show. 2165 01:46:24,366 --> 01:46:27,010 It would prove to be the end of his journey with the band. 2166 01:46:28,707 --> 01:46:33,424 - They were kind of phasing Bob out, but they had to go do 2167 01:46:33,424 --> 01:46:36,451 a European tour and there wasn't time to teach me the 2168 01:46:36,451 --> 01:46:41,386 entire set, so for a little short time, 2169 01:46:41,386 --> 01:46:44,401 just maybe two weeks we were on the road 2170 01:46:44,401 --> 01:46:47,460 and Bob and I played together, one little tour. 2171 01:46:47,460 --> 01:46:50,763 And then they went to Paris and Bob had a nervous 2172 01:46:50,763 --> 01:46:52,359 breakdown. 2173 01:46:52,359 --> 01:46:53,474 - I don't think it was drugs. 2174 01:46:53,474 --> 01:46:55,140 I don't think it was drugs. 2175 01:46:55,140 --> 01:46:57,604 I think Bob was under a lot of pressure. 2176 01:46:57,604 --> 01:46:59,974 There was times on stage where he would lose his place 2177 01:46:59,974 --> 01:47:04,092 in songs and none of us got on Bob that much, 2178 01:47:04,092 --> 01:47:05,559 but Ronnie sure did. 2179 01:47:05,559 --> 01:47:09,114 I mean if you messed up, Ronnie would get on you real bad. 2180 01:47:09,114 --> 01:47:12,575 In Europe one night, one morning, early morning 2181 01:47:12,575 --> 01:47:15,496 we had a bus ride and Ronnie got on Bob's case 2182 01:47:15,496 --> 01:47:18,398 about the night before, just really, really, bad 2183 01:47:19,427 --> 01:47:21,140 and Bob lost it. 2184 01:47:21,140 --> 01:47:26,140 ♪ Oh, 9000 dollars, that's all we could win ♪ 2185 01:47:27,219 --> 01:47:29,308 ♪ But we smiled at the Yankee Slicker ♪ 2186 01:47:29,308 --> 01:47:32,699 ♪ With a big ol' Southern grin ♪ 2187 01:47:32,699 --> 01:47:35,233 ♪ They're gonna take me out to California gonna ♪ 2188 01:47:35,233 --> 01:47:38,448 ♪ Make me a superstar ♪ 2189 01:47:38,448 --> 01:47:40,736 ♪ Just pay me all of my money ♪ 2190 01:47:40,736 --> 01:47:44,173 ♪ And mister maybe you won't get a scar ♪ 2191 01:47:44,173 --> 01:47:47,025 ♪ Should have signed the contract ♪ 2192 01:47:47,025 --> 01:47:49,852 ♪ Should have signed today ♪ 2193 01:47:49,852 --> 01:47:52,433 ♪ Gonna give you lots of money ♪ 2194 01:47:52,433 --> 01:47:54,713 ♪ Workin' for MCA ♪ 2195 01:47:55,637 --> 01:47:57,631 - It was a good tour. 2196 01:47:57,631 --> 01:47:59,485 We played some damn good music. 2197 01:47:59,485 --> 01:48:01,573 I kept a diary of it. 2198 01:48:01,573 --> 01:48:04,155 I got road fatigue, you know. 2199 01:48:04,155 --> 01:48:05,750 I wasn't eating right. 2200 01:48:05,750 --> 01:48:07,804 I wasn't sleeping right. 2201 01:48:07,804 --> 01:48:09,704 I was down to skin and bones. 2202 01:48:09,704 --> 01:48:10,905 I wasn't eating. 2203 01:48:12,761 --> 01:48:16,410 All the perverted sex, you know, 2204 01:48:16,410 --> 01:48:20,274 I didn't think it was perverted back then, 2205 01:48:21,428 --> 01:48:25,914 later on in my older life I can see, wow, man. 2206 01:48:28,773 --> 01:48:31,179 My mind just blew a 50 amp fuse. 2207 01:48:31,179 --> 01:48:33,255 I pushed so hard. 2208 01:48:33,255 --> 01:48:37,960 I pushed harder than a man should ever push himself. 2209 01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:40,495 I snapped a 50 amp fuse. 2210 01:48:40,495 --> 01:48:41,836 Had to go in the hospital. 2211 01:48:42,829 --> 01:48:44,132 - It was sad. 2212 01:48:44,132 --> 01:48:45,317 It was really sad. 2213 01:48:45,317 --> 01:48:48,649 I think it just because the band was just overworked. 2214 01:48:48,649 --> 01:48:51,257 We were under Peter's direction at the time 2215 01:48:52,556 --> 01:48:54,836 and we hadn't really had much of a break that whole year. 2216 01:48:55,712 --> 01:48:59,291 What happened with Bob in England, I could go into detail, 2217 01:48:59,291 --> 01:49:00,546 but I'd really rather not. 2218 01:49:00,546 --> 01:49:03,413 He just had a breakdown of all breakdowns. 2219 01:49:05,110 --> 01:49:07,445 it was quite visible to everyone. 2220 01:49:07,445 --> 01:49:10,214 It was so bad the hotel guy kicked us out. 2221 01:49:10,214 --> 01:49:11,532 Wouldn't let us come back. 2222 01:49:13,664 --> 01:49:15,952 Actually he threw the house cat out the window 2223 01:49:15,952 --> 01:49:17,704 and killed him from five stories above 2224 01:49:19,425 --> 01:49:21,704 and it got worse after that. 2225 01:49:23,191 --> 01:49:24,047 Yeah, it was sad. 2226 01:49:24,047 --> 01:49:25,232 It didn't have to happen. 2227 01:49:25,232 --> 01:49:27,649 Bob had grown up with these guys. 2228 01:49:27,649 --> 01:49:30,105 I think if we just handled our tours better. 2229 01:49:31,005 --> 01:49:33,858 Nobody who managed the band really saw 2230 01:49:33,858 --> 01:49:36,545 any longevity, of course how could you back then? 2231 01:49:36,545 --> 01:49:39,013 It was just good, go for all the money you can right now. 2232 01:49:39,901 --> 01:49:42,060 - [Voiceover] The relentless nature of the Skynyrd schedule 2233 01:49:42,060 --> 01:49:44,512 continued directly for all the tour. 2234 01:49:44,512 --> 01:49:47,527 Returning to the US in late December 1975 2235 01:49:47,527 --> 01:49:50,989 by January 6th the were booked into WEBB IV studios 2236 01:49:50,989 --> 01:49:52,651 in Atlanta to record a new album. 2237 01:49:53,712 --> 01:49:55,996 Artimus Pyle had now been drafted in 2238 01:49:55,996 --> 01:49:58,843 as a replacement for Bob Burns and Al Kooper 2239 01:49:58,843 --> 01:50:00,862 was once again present as a producer 2240 01:50:00,862 --> 01:50:03,384 despite MCA having recently bought out his 2241 01:50:03,384 --> 01:50:06,071 Sounds Of The South deal with the band. 2242 01:50:06,071 --> 01:50:08,218 Yet, his circumstances were totally foreign 2243 01:50:08,218 --> 01:50:09,790 to all involved. 2244 01:50:09,790 --> 01:50:12,160 With no time to compose new material during the 2245 01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:15,739 previous year Skynyrd had 21 days to both write 2246 01:50:15,739 --> 01:50:17,440 and record the album. 2247 01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:19,411 - We were putting out a new album, new material 2248 01:50:19,411 --> 01:50:20,503 every nine months. 2249 01:50:20,503 --> 01:50:22,333 Bands don't do that today. 2250 01:50:22,333 --> 01:50:24,668 It might take two or three years, you know? 2251 01:50:24,668 --> 01:50:26,546 But they wanted new product every nine months 2252 01:50:26,546 --> 01:50:30,242 which I thought was just way too much. 2253 01:50:30,242 --> 01:50:34,214 Nuthin' Fancy was written and recorded in the studio. 2254 01:50:34,214 --> 01:50:37,300 Up until this time everything was written at Hell House, 2255 01:50:37,300 --> 01:50:39,318 thoroughly rehearsed, maybe played once or twice 2256 01:50:39,318 --> 01:50:41,882 in front of people, then taken in the studio. 2257 01:50:41,882 --> 01:50:43,313 - We had a month. 2258 01:50:43,313 --> 01:50:45,300 We were in Atlanta. 2259 01:50:46,693 --> 01:50:50,822 I said, "I'm gonna go to New York 2260 01:50:52,121 --> 01:50:53,732 "for two weeks, 2261 01:50:54,808 --> 01:50:58,085 "and I'm gonna party my brains out. 2262 01:51:01,343 --> 01:51:05,273 "This is your time to do what you normally do, 2263 01:51:05,273 --> 01:51:07,260 "but you only have two weeks to do it." 2264 01:51:08,670 --> 01:51:11,768 I came back and it was what I thought it would be 2265 01:51:11,768 --> 01:51:15,299 which is it was almost done. 2266 01:51:15,299 --> 01:51:19,523 This was a very tense making of a record. 2267 01:51:19,523 --> 01:51:23,548 There was no fun involved for me what-so-ever. 2268 01:51:23,548 --> 01:51:26,399 - Things changed with our relationship with Al. 2269 01:51:26,399 --> 01:51:28,077 It was really out of control. 2270 01:51:28,077 --> 01:51:30,271 There was times at the studio when other band 2271 01:51:30,271 --> 01:51:32,300 members would bring all their friends by. 2272 01:51:32,300 --> 01:51:34,131 All these people coming and going 2273 01:51:34,131 --> 01:51:37,416 and lots of drugs, beer which we never had 2274 01:51:37,416 --> 01:51:38,378 at Hell House. 2275 01:51:38,378 --> 01:51:41,010 At Hell House it was all business. 2276 01:51:42,382 --> 01:51:44,034 Nuthin' Fancy was just difficult 2277 01:51:44,034 --> 01:51:47,355 and Al was totally fed up and understandably so. 2278 01:51:47,355 --> 01:51:50,476 It was really hard for him because they were really 2279 01:51:50,476 --> 01:51:53,037 everybody was really putting it in his face. 2280 01:51:54,524 --> 01:51:57,645 He was a Yankee and it really got tough for Al. 2281 01:51:57,645 --> 01:52:00,092 - [Voiceover] With no one satisfied with the situation 2282 01:52:00,092 --> 01:52:01,746 the music itself suffered. 2283 01:52:01,746 --> 01:52:03,184 Yet, the hectic schedule that had been 2284 01:52:03,184 --> 01:52:05,429 imposed on the band was apparently inflexible. 2285 01:52:06,411 --> 01:52:09,332 It not only proved detrimental to the album itself 2286 01:52:09,332 --> 01:52:11,702 but also spelled the end of Skynyrd's creative 2287 01:52:11,702 --> 01:52:13,310 partnership with Kooper. 2288 01:52:13,310 --> 01:52:16,161 - The last song on the record Ronnie has a head cold 2289 01:52:16,161 --> 01:52:18,871 that's so bad, you can just tell. 2290 01:52:18,871 --> 01:52:21,617 There are sections on it that needed to be redone 2291 01:52:21,617 --> 01:52:22,778 maybe expanded. 2292 01:52:22,778 --> 01:52:24,201 It was just unfinished record. 2293 01:52:25,782 --> 01:52:29,959 But yet the minute it was over, the rest of the band 2294 01:52:29,959 --> 01:52:32,798 was on a bus going to Detroit to start a tour 2295 01:52:32,798 --> 01:52:34,675 the second it was over. 2296 01:52:34,675 --> 01:52:36,776 Ronnie and I stayed back to finish the vocal 2297 01:52:36,776 --> 01:52:38,682 on Whisky Rock and Roller, then we both took 2298 01:52:38,682 --> 01:52:40,888 a plane to Detroit to meet the band 2299 01:52:40,888 --> 01:52:42,754 and then the tour just started. 2300 01:52:42,754 --> 01:52:45,984 - I remember vividly the last day. 2301 01:52:47,693 --> 01:52:50,404 The tour bus was parked outside. 2302 01:52:50,404 --> 01:52:51,894 It wasn't like they were gonna go home 2303 01:52:51,894 --> 01:52:53,900 and get ready to tour. 2304 01:52:53,900 --> 01:52:56,786 The tour bus was there and they were going right out 2305 01:52:56,786 --> 01:52:59,239 and they were gonna start touring. 2306 01:52:59,239 --> 01:53:02,899 I thought to myself while all this was going on, 2307 01:53:02,899 --> 01:53:06,889 "I can't do this again. 2308 01:53:06,889 --> 01:53:09,094 "This is torture." 2309 01:53:09,094 --> 01:53:14,057 So I said to them, "I would rather be your friend 2310 01:53:14,057 --> 01:53:16,889 "than be your producer from now on." 2311 01:53:19,009 --> 01:53:21,371 And I think you know, they had had enough of me. 2312 01:53:22,505 --> 01:53:25,424 - [Voiceover] Issued in late March in 1975 the album 2313 01:53:25,424 --> 01:53:27,354 Nuthin Fancy peaked at number nine on the 2314 01:53:27,354 --> 01:53:28,639 Billboard Charts. 2315 01:53:28,639 --> 01:53:31,103 The band's first Top-10 album. 2316 01:53:31,103 --> 01:53:33,614 Yet, Van Zant himself expressed his dissatisfaction 2317 01:53:33,614 --> 01:53:34,721 with the end result. 2318 01:53:36,266 --> 01:53:41,266 ♪ Cheating woman make you crazy ♪ 2319 01:53:43,153 --> 01:53:48,153 ♪ Cheating woman make you a fool ♪ 2320 01:53:49,876 --> 01:53:54,876 ♪ She'll leave your house or home ♪ 2321 01:53:56,986 --> 01:54:01,986 ♪ Brother, there's nothing that you can do ♪ 2322 01:54:05,681 --> 01:54:09,517 ♪ Well, I can't stand the pain no more ♪ 2323 01:54:09,517 --> 01:54:12,779 ♪ She don't want my love for sure ♪ 2324 01:54:12,779 --> 01:54:17,779 ♪ She don't want poor me ♪ 2325 01:54:18,910 --> 01:54:22,200 ♪ Oh knocking on her front door ♪ 2326 01:54:23,863 --> 01:54:26,682 - I think it was a more laid back record 2327 01:54:27,758 --> 01:54:32,758 than the other two because they felt 2328 01:54:32,838 --> 01:54:35,162 comfortable in a way 2329 01:54:35,162 --> 01:54:38,071 and they were trying to be even more 2330 01:54:38,071 --> 01:54:40,488 of themselves on that record 2331 01:54:40,488 --> 01:54:43,609 and also they'd changed as human beings 2332 01:54:43,609 --> 01:54:48,609 over the course of the three albums. 2333 01:54:48,619 --> 01:54:53,619 ♪ I pick cotton down on the Dixie line ♪ 2334 01:54:54,194 --> 01:54:58,847 ♪ I work all day tryin' to make a dime ♪ 2335 01:54:58,847 --> 01:55:03,763 ♪ But that's all right, that's OK by me ♪ 2336 01:55:03,763 --> 01:55:08,763 ♪ 'Cause that's the way that it was meant to be ♪ 2337 01:55:09,460 --> 01:55:14,460 ♪ Big city, hard times never bother me ♪ 2338 01:55:14,798 --> 01:55:18,345 ♪ I'm a country boy, I'm as happy as I can be ♪ 2339 01:55:20,187 --> 01:55:21,674 - Do we sound like a tired band? 2340 01:55:21,674 --> 01:55:23,950 Well, the songs aren't as strong. 2341 01:55:23,950 --> 01:55:25,921 Pronounced 'Lĕh-'nérd 'Skin-'nérd and Second Helping 2342 01:55:25,921 --> 01:55:27,916 were really strong records, you know they're like, 2343 01:55:27,916 --> 01:55:31,917 you know, like bang out of the gate, like big time. 2344 01:55:31,917 --> 01:55:35,366 No sophomore jinx with them at all, 2345 01:55:35,366 --> 01:55:38,616 so their sophomore jinx kind of came with their next 2346 01:55:38,616 --> 01:55:42,770 record although their musicianship as players hadn't 2347 01:55:42,770 --> 01:55:46,301 dropped and their ability to play like a great band 2348 01:55:46,301 --> 01:55:49,939 hadn't changed, but you know, compositionally 2349 01:55:49,939 --> 01:55:53,517 those songs didn't stand the test of time. 2350 01:55:53,517 --> 01:55:55,137 - Nuthin' Fancy is a disappointing record 2351 01:55:55,137 --> 01:55:57,425 because it didn't have any of the classic songs 2352 01:55:57,425 --> 01:56:00,845 that had defined Lynyrd Skynyrd's first two albums. 2353 01:56:00,845 --> 01:56:03,403 it still sonically sounds pretty good. 2354 01:56:03,403 --> 01:56:05,421 They're introducing some new elements 2355 01:56:05,421 --> 01:56:08,319 with mandolin and other stringed instruments 2356 01:56:08,319 --> 01:56:10,536 and it has a couple of really solid songs, 2357 01:56:10,536 --> 01:56:13,544 Saturday Night Special, Whiskey Rock and Roller 2358 01:56:14,608 --> 01:56:17,048 and maybe most poignantly Am I losing 2359 01:56:17,048 --> 01:56:19,442 which really seems to be Ronnie reflecting 2360 01:56:19,442 --> 01:56:24,442 on the band's state and his own state as they struggle 2361 01:56:24,511 --> 01:56:27,291 with success and all the problems that come 2362 01:56:27,291 --> 01:56:29,004 with success. 2363 01:56:29,004 --> 01:56:31,844 ♪ I recall when I used to come home ♪ 2364 01:56:31,844 --> 01:56:34,073 ♪ Never had a dime ♪ 2365 01:56:34,073 --> 01:56:39,073 ♪ Lord, I always had a good time ♪ 2366 01:56:39,576 --> 01:56:42,356 ♪ I recall drinking wine ♪ 2367 01:56:42,356 --> 01:56:45,172 ♪ With one of my friends ♪ 2368 01:56:45,172 --> 01:56:50,147 ♪ Lord, can't go back again ♪ 2369 01:56:50,147 --> 01:56:53,644 ♪ Am I losing ♪ 2370 01:56:53,644 --> 01:56:55,755 ♪ My own way back home ♪ 2371 01:56:55,755 --> 01:56:58,876 ♪ Am I losing ♪ 2372 01:56:58,876 --> 01:57:02,256 - That's an honest reflection of what happens now. 2373 01:57:02,256 --> 01:57:03,429 Where am I now? 2374 01:57:03,429 --> 01:57:05,071 Am I losing what made me great, 2375 01:57:05,071 --> 01:57:07,125 what made me strong, what made me 2376 01:57:07,125 --> 01:57:08,380 who I am? 2377 01:57:08,380 --> 01:57:10,637 And I think that in itself is a powerful statement. 2378 01:57:12,076 --> 01:57:13,695 - [Voiceover] During the recording of the album 2379 01:57:13,695 --> 01:57:16,383 new comer Artimus Pyle was introduced into Skynyrd's 2380 01:57:16,383 --> 01:57:18,424 inner sanctum and the following few months 2381 01:57:18,424 --> 01:57:21,651 would prove a baptism of fire for the drummer. 2382 01:57:21,651 --> 01:57:23,915 If life on the road for the band had proven excessive 2383 01:57:23,915 --> 01:57:26,203 from previous tours, under the management 2384 01:57:26,203 --> 01:57:28,409 of Pete Rutch their parting increased 2385 01:57:28,409 --> 01:57:30,674 and as they moved directly from the studio 2386 01:57:30,674 --> 01:57:33,044 to the tour bus following the Nuthin' Fancy 2387 01:57:33,044 --> 01:57:35,860 sessions the drink, drugs and punch outs became 2388 01:57:35,860 --> 01:57:37,878 a daily phenomenon once more. 2389 01:57:37,878 --> 01:57:39,203 - Yes, there were fights, 2390 01:57:39,203 --> 01:57:41,397 but I've never been afraid of a fight. 2391 01:57:41,397 --> 01:57:42,712 I can take a punch. 2392 01:57:42,712 --> 01:57:47,334 I just immediately integrated into what I was doing 2393 01:57:47,334 --> 01:57:49,951 in their world, you know. 2394 01:57:49,951 --> 01:57:53,521 Which was a tour bus, an airplane, a stage, 2395 01:57:54,468 --> 01:57:57,460 a tour bus, an airplane, a stage, you know, 2396 01:57:57,460 --> 01:58:01,027 just a hotel room, hotel room, tour bus, airplane, 2397 01:58:01,027 --> 01:58:04,652 stage, studio, studio, you know, just those five 2398 01:58:04,652 --> 01:58:07,938 things in a row all the time for three years. 2399 01:58:07,938 --> 01:58:10,695 Back in those days I enjoyed smoking weed, 2400 01:58:10,695 --> 01:58:14,039 but the guys they were hard on themselves. 2401 01:58:14,039 --> 01:58:15,931 You can't burn the candle at both ends, 2402 01:58:17,195 --> 01:58:20,081 and expect to have your energy up all the time. 2403 01:58:20,081 --> 01:58:22,451 I don't see how they functioned. 2404 01:58:22,451 --> 01:58:26,597 Backstage at our concert it looked like an ABC store. 2405 01:58:27,438 --> 01:58:31,556 There were cases of scotch, and cases of vodka, 2406 01:58:31,556 --> 01:58:34,841 and Jack Daniels, and cases of beer. 2407 01:58:34,841 --> 01:58:37,516 The promoter you know, the promoter always trying 2408 01:58:37,516 --> 01:58:40,168 to make the band feel really good 2409 01:58:40,168 --> 01:58:41,776 and I never understood that. 2410 01:58:41,776 --> 01:58:44,767 They brought all this you know cartons and cartons 2411 01:58:44,767 --> 01:58:48,675 of cigarettes and the guys would my boys thought 2412 01:58:48,675 --> 01:58:51,608 that at every show we played these big arenas, 2413 01:58:51,608 --> 01:58:54,858 stadiums ,all that stuff that was backstage they were 2414 01:58:54,858 --> 01:58:58,096 supposed to smoke and drink all of it then. 2415 01:58:58,096 --> 01:59:00,208 - [Voiceover] Ronnie Van Zant in particular was struggling 2416 01:59:00,208 --> 01:59:02,942 to control his intake which had a disturbing effect 2417 01:59:02,942 --> 01:59:04,725 on his temperament. 2418 01:59:04,725 --> 01:59:07,307 Never one to back down from conflict alcohol 2419 01:59:07,307 --> 01:59:10,780 not only fueled an inner rage, but let him intimidate 2420 01:59:10,780 --> 01:59:13,655 and often physically abused his own band mates. 2421 01:59:13,655 --> 01:59:17,398 - Ronnie was a maniac that whole tour, just a maniac, 2422 01:59:17,398 --> 01:59:20,237 night after night something traumatic would happen. 2423 01:59:20,237 --> 01:59:23,686 One time in Lake Charles, Louisiana, Ronnie had vowed 2424 01:59:23,686 --> 01:59:25,760 well, he had vowed two weeks before that 2425 01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:28,083 to stop drinking and he did, 2426 01:59:28,083 --> 01:59:30,829 It was really he was a lot better. 2427 01:59:30,829 --> 01:59:33,422 I think he was miserable but towards the second week 2428 01:59:33,422 --> 01:59:36,496 he got better, but something snapped in Lake Charles 2429 01:59:36,496 --> 01:59:39,018 two weeks later where he just went crazy, 2430 01:59:39,018 --> 01:59:41,529 and he gathered everybody in the room. 2431 01:59:41,529 --> 01:59:43,172 He ripped off his shirt. 2432 01:59:43,172 --> 01:59:46,727 He grabbed a lamp on the nightstand and broke it 2433 01:59:46,727 --> 01:59:49,120 against the night stand all this jagged glass hanging 2434 01:59:49,120 --> 01:59:51,479 and he slammed me up against the wall held it right 2435 01:59:51,479 --> 01:59:53,791 to my neck and he said, "I don't want you to say 2436 01:59:53,791 --> 01:59:55,915 "a fucking word." 2437 01:59:55,915 --> 01:59:57,819 "Okay, no problem." 2438 02:00:01,218 --> 02:00:04,374 I can't remember really what his gripe was. 2439 02:00:04,374 --> 02:00:06,322 "Y'all are stealing from me." 2440 02:00:06,322 --> 02:00:07,299 That was one thing . 2441 02:00:08,844 --> 02:00:13,084 I can't it was just unjustified it was stupid. 2442 02:00:14,218 --> 02:00:16,823 - [Voiceover] As this run of 61 shows aptly named 2443 02:00:16,823 --> 02:00:19,416 the torture tour continued across America 2444 02:00:19,416 --> 02:00:21,657 the camaraderie between the band members quickly 2445 02:00:21,657 --> 02:00:24,355 began to break down exacerbated by Van Zant's routinely 2446 02:00:24,355 --> 02:00:27,206 drunken and abusive behavior. 2447 02:00:27,206 --> 02:00:29,846 Struggling with both of volatile atmosphere and his own 2448 02:00:29,846 --> 02:00:33,143 substance abuse issues Ed King decided midway through the 2449 02:00:33,143 --> 02:00:35,596 tour that it was time to take his exit from the world 2450 02:00:35,596 --> 02:00:37,714 of Skynyrd. 2451 02:00:37,714 --> 02:00:40,741 - Things started to fall apart around the middle of May. 2452 02:00:40,741 --> 02:00:43,581 There were decisions just being made that everybody 2453 02:00:43,581 --> 02:00:47,335 disagreed with and I didn't think it would hurt to take a 2454 02:00:47,335 --> 02:00:51,876 month off and go rest and maybe write some more 2455 02:00:51,876 --> 02:00:54,707 and get back in our little groove that we had 2456 02:00:58,095 --> 02:01:01,052 and I know people will disagree and say this is a lie, 2457 02:01:01,052 --> 02:01:03,199 but it's the absolute truth because I have no reason 2458 02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:07,165 to lie, but Ronnie said to me in front of everybody, 2459 02:01:07,165 --> 02:01:11,389 "Look man I've had it with all this bickering back 2460 02:01:11,389 --> 02:01:14,838 "and forth management and all this and I just want 2461 02:01:14,838 --> 02:01:16,203 "to focus on what I do. 2462 02:01:17,267 --> 02:01:19,453 " I'll let you you make the decisions. 2463 02:01:22,117 --> 02:01:25,590 "Just check it with me, but you deal with them, you know." 2464 02:01:25,590 --> 02:01:26,447 So I did. 2465 02:01:26,447 --> 02:01:30,900 I told Peter Rutch I said, " I wanna cut this tour 2466 02:01:30,900 --> 02:01:33,845 "and go home and rest take at least maybe two weeks off, 2467 02:01:33,845 --> 02:01:36,483 "and maybe 2 weeks writing and then resume it." 2468 02:01:37,395 --> 02:01:38,493 Well that was around the middle of May 2469 02:01:38,493 --> 02:01:40,503 and by the 26th of May I was out of the band. 2470 02:01:43,996 --> 02:01:46,976 The only thing I can surmise is that sometime 2471 02:01:46,976 --> 02:01:49,968 between then and the 26th of May somebody got 2472 02:01:49,968 --> 02:01:52,565 together with Ronnie and said, "You know, you can't 2473 02:01:52,565 --> 02:01:55,535 "do this, you can't just stop a tour" 2474 02:01:57,855 --> 02:02:00,413 Then the pressure started coming down on me 2475 02:02:00,413 --> 02:02:03,194 to move me out and rather than move me out I 2476 02:02:03,194 --> 02:02:05,118 just decided, "Well, this isn't worth it. 2477 02:02:05,118 --> 02:02:06,479 "I'm just going to leave." 2478 02:02:06,479 --> 02:02:09,630 - One night during the making of Nuthin' Fancy I was 2479 02:02:09,630 --> 02:02:14,630 living in a hotel separate from wherever they were living. 2480 02:02:14,911 --> 02:02:18,771 Ed came over one night and he was complaining to me 2481 02:02:18,771 --> 02:02:22,361 about how much money he had spent the last year 2482 02:02:22,361 --> 02:02:24,384 on serious drugs 2483 02:02:27,712 --> 02:02:29,543 and that he didn't know how much 2484 02:02:29,543 --> 02:02:31,740 longer he could stay in the band, 2485 02:02:34,776 --> 02:02:37,474 so I wasn't totally surprised 2486 02:02:37,474 --> 02:02:42,444 by that and if that's why he left 2487 02:02:42,444 --> 02:02:44,321 I was glad he left. 2488 02:02:44,321 --> 02:02:46,233 - I had my share of drugs, oh yeah, 2489 02:02:46,233 --> 02:02:48,862 and I'd had enough, too, yeah. 2490 02:02:48,862 --> 02:02:53,132 I'm not saying I was perfect by no means you know, 2491 02:02:53,132 --> 02:02:56,136 but I know when I left the band I knew the band wasn't going 2492 02:02:56,136 --> 02:02:57,532 to end well. 2493 02:02:57,532 --> 02:02:59,228 I had no idea it would end like it did, 2494 02:02:59,228 --> 02:03:01,199 but it wasn't going to end well and I really didn't want 2495 02:03:01,199 --> 02:03:04,930 to be a part of it after that because my creativity 2496 02:03:04,930 --> 02:03:08,562 at that point was shot, really there's just so much friction 2497 02:03:08,562 --> 02:03:10,352 and everybody needed some rest. 2498 02:03:10,352 --> 02:03:13,124 People don't come to your hotel room crying and saying 2499 02:03:13,124 --> 02:03:16,032 they need a break if they are just kidding, you know. 2500 02:03:16,032 --> 02:03:18,042 I mean it was some mental stuff going on. 2501 02:03:19,317 --> 02:03:20,924 - [Voiceover] Now a man down 2502 02:03:20,924 --> 02:03:22,825 in July they rode back to Florida, 2503 02:03:22,825 --> 02:03:25,788 to close the tour at the Jacksonville Coliseum. 2504 02:03:25,788 --> 02:03:27,666 Despite the tensions within the group, 2505 02:03:27,666 --> 02:03:29,667 the hotels damaged and the various run-ins 2506 02:03:29,667 --> 02:03:32,581 with the police for their audiences had for most part 2507 02:03:32,581 --> 02:03:35,651 seen no knock on effect for the show themselves. 2508 02:03:35,651 --> 02:03:37,547 Yet, back in their own stomping grounds 2509 02:03:37,547 --> 02:03:39,170 things finally fell apart. 2510 02:03:40,175 --> 02:03:43,866 End of the '75 torture tour, the hometown boys came home. 2511 02:03:43,866 --> 02:03:45,203 Big deal, right? 2512 02:03:45,203 --> 02:03:48,624 We get into town and a guy named Sidney Drashin 2513 02:03:48,624 --> 02:03:51,880 he's the promoter, he brings a big fat bag 2514 02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:53,569 of pure cocaine. 2515 02:03:53,569 --> 02:03:55,177 Well everybody gets into it. 2516 02:03:55,177 --> 02:03:58,239 Charlie Daniels open the show then we came out 2517 02:03:58,239 --> 02:04:01,772 and played like four songs 2518 02:04:01,772 --> 02:04:04,846 and Ronnie collapsed. 2519 02:04:04,846 --> 02:04:07,040 Charlie Daniels came out and jammed with us, 2520 02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:09,578 tried to kind of save the day, 2521 02:04:10,630 --> 02:04:12,625 but it just wasn't enough for the crowd 2522 02:04:12,625 --> 02:04:14,995 because we didn't do the whole set. 2523 02:04:14,995 --> 02:04:17,822 The crowd was like carnivores you know, 2524 02:04:17,822 --> 02:04:19,125 (growls) 2525 02:04:19,125 --> 02:04:20,767 They wanted that music 2526 02:04:20,767 --> 02:04:23,595 and we couldn't deliver that night. 2527 02:04:23,595 --> 02:04:27,177 Even doing Free Bird when we went to the fast part 2528 02:04:28,159 --> 02:04:30,928 I will never forget leaving the stage and looking back 2529 02:04:30,928 --> 02:04:34,882 and seeing glass bottles bouncing off my drums. 2530 02:04:34,882 --> 02:04:39,305 - The amazing thing is how little Peter Rutch cared. 2531 02:04:39,305 --> 02:04:41,511 He's doing tons of cocaine himself. 2532 02:04:41,511 --> 02:04:43,259 This is no secret. 2533 02:04:43,259 --> 02:04:45,360 And he's encouraging all this coke use. 2534 02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:48,352 Looking back I can't even fathom it. 2535 02:04:48,352 --> 02:04:51,050 Alan Walden would have never done that. 2536 02:04:51,050 --> 02:04:53,033 He never would have met them at an airport 2537 02:04:53,033 --> 02:04:56,013 with coke for them to do or take on a plane. 2538 02:04:56,013 --> 02:04:57,468 They were kicked off planes. 2539 02:04:57,468 --> 02:05:01,023 They were refused flights because when they would 2540 02:05:01,023 --> 02:05:03,745 get drunk and stoned on a plane it would be a physical 2541 02:05:03,745 --> 02:05:07,762 threat to the plane going down, ironically. 2542 02:05:08,603 --> 02:05:12,568 Ronnie, so the story goes tried to throw a groupie 2543 02:05:12,568 --> 02:05:15,877 out of a plane at 35,000 feet, 2544 02:05:15,877 --> 02:05:19,268 Tried to open the back, the door and throw 2545 02:05:19,268 --> 02:05:20,582 a guy out. 2546 02:05:20,582 --> 02:05:23,257 These are guys in big, big trouble. 2547 02:05:23,257 --> 02:05:26,566 Making great music, but in big trouble 2548 02:05:26,566 --> 02:05:28,561 and nobody cared. 2549 02:05:28,561 --> 02:05:30,602 - [Voiceover] Following a much needed Summer break 2550 02:05:30,602 --> 02:05:33,876 the band returned for further shows in August '75 2551 02:05:33,876 --> 02:05:36,879 including a number of dates supporting Peter Frampton. 2552 02:05:36,879 --> 02:05:39,519 At the same time with only nine months past since 2553 02:05:39,519 --> 02:05:42,429 they had completed Nuthin' Fancy plans were already 2554 02:05:42,429 --> 02:05:44,424 under way for Skynyrd to return to the studio 2555 02:05:44,424 --> 02:05:46,547 to begin work on a fourth album. 2556 02:05:46,547 --> 02:05:49,316 Without Al Kooper to oversee the recordings Peter Rutch 2557 02:05:49,316 --> 02:05:51,722 arranged for Van Zant and his bandmates to meet with 2558 02:05:51,722 --> 02:05:54,713 legendary producer Tom Dowd who had begun his career 2559 02:05:54,713 --> 02:05:58,139 in jazz before moving into soul and then rock. 2560 02:05:58,139 --> 02:06:01,272 Operating out of Criteria Studios in Miami, Dowd 2561 02:06:01,272 --> 02:06:03,760 seemed an obvious choice having been the producer 2562 02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:06,341 behind The Allman Brothers Band's break-through albums. 2563 02:06:06,341 --> 02:06:10,048 In September 300 miles South of their home town, 2564 02:06:10,048 --> 02:06:13,076 SKynyrd began recording Gimme Back My Bullets. 2565 02:06:13,076 --> 02:06:14,519 - They liked Dowd. 2566 02:06:14,519 --> 02:06:17,088 How do you not like a guy with that kind of record? 2567 02:06:17,088 --> 02:06:22,075 He's tremendous, pivotal figure in the music industry. 2568 02:06:22,075 --> 02:06:25,801 The whole thing with Tom Dowd was sort of a master plan 2569 02:06:25,801 --> 02:06:29,016 to get Skynyrd to go to Atlantic Records. 2570 02:06:29,016 --> 02:06:30,236 It was a whole thing. 2571 02:06:30,236 --> 02:06:33,251 We're gonna move off MCA, you know. 2572 02:06:33,251 --> 02:06:34,753 We're sick and tired of these guys. 2573 02:06:34,753 --> 02:06:35,868 We're not getting paid enough. 2574 02:06:35,868 --> 02:06:38,367 It was sort of a plan where it was going to be 2575 02:06:38,367 --> 02:06:39,423 an incremental thing. 2576 02:06:39,423 --> 02:06:42,790 The skins would be greased by having Tom Dowd 2577 02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:44,550 do their album and they they would just make a break 2578 02:06:44,550 --> 02:06:45,559 completely. 2579 02:06:45,559 --> 02:06:49,619 - They respected Tom as like a Father figure. 2580 02:06:49,619 --> 02:06:53,502 Al Kooper was like one of the bros, you know? 2581 02:06:53,502 --> 02:06:55,990 Al should have been put out on a little bit 2582 02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:57,163 of a pedestal. 2583 02:06:57,163 --> 02:07:00,190 Al should have be given a little bit more respect. 2584 02:07:00,190 --> 02:07:03,593 Tom Dowd, they called him Father Dowd. 2585 02:07:03,593 --> 02:07:08,593 Tom liked to rehearse parts and go over things. 2586 02:07:08,603 --> 02:07:11,736 He was meticulous and had good ideas. 2587 02:07:11,736 --> 02:07:14,446 And yes, Ed was missed. 2588 02:07:14,446 --> 02:07:16,218 I missed Ed. 2589 02:07:16,218 --> 02:07:19,784 And Ronnie missed that guy that he wrote songs with, 2590 02:07:19,784 --> 02:07:24,784 but the sessions were better on Gimme Back My Bullets 2591 02:07:25,111 --> 02:07:27,857 because we were a little more prepared. 2592 02:07:27,857 --> 02:07:30,254 Some songs had been written on the road 2593 02:07:31,118 --> 02:07:32,984 and on break. 2594 02:07:32,984 --> 02:07:35,225 There was some material that had been looked at. 2595 02:07:49,293 --> 02:07:51,792 - [Voiceover] Completed in November 1975 2596 02:07:51,792 --> 02:07:53,681 Gimme Back My Bullets was rushed released 2597 02:07:53,681 --> 02:07:55,875 and out in stores the following February. 2598 02:07:55,875 --> 02:07:57,870 Yet, there were signs that Skynyrd were losing 2599 02:07:57,870 --> 02:07:59,231 their wider appeal. 2600 02:07:59,231 --> 02:08:01,425 Although it was the first of their albums to chart 2601 02:08:01,425 --> 02:08:03,678 in the UK, where they were steadily amassing 2602 02:08:03,678 --> 02:08:05,379 a significant fan base. 2603 02:08:05,379 --> 02:08:07,714 In the US it sold disappointingly. 2604 02:08:07,714 --> 02:08:10,706 It's lead single Double Trouble peaking at number 80 2605 02:08:10,706 --> 02:08:12,137 on the Billboard Chart. 2606 02:08:12,137 --> 02:08:14,390 Without Ed King's input as a song writer 2607 02:08:14,390 --> 02:08:16,572 or Al Kooper's slick production, for many 2608 02:08:16,572 --> 02:08:19,799 it was a sign that the band were in a creative rut. 2609 02:08:19,799 --> 02:08:23,776 - The thing that I really contributed to those records 2610 02:08:23,776 --> 02:08:26,792 was capturing the sound of the band 2611 02:08:26,792 --> 02:08:29,947 and using the studio 2612 02:08:31,140 --> 02:08:33,639 to enhance it even further 2613 02:08:33,639 --> 02:08:38,148 than it was and the best way to judge that 2614 02:08:39,271 --> 02:08:41,199 is I did the first three albums 2615 02:08:42,580 --> 02:08:44,809 and is to listen to the fourth album 2616 02:08:45,744 --> 02:08:50,396 because it's devoid of anything that I did 2617 02:08:50,396 --> 02:08:52,250 which surprised me. 2618 02:08:52,250 --> 02:08:54,691 It just made them sound like an average band 2619 02:08:54,691 --> 02:08:57,424 which they weren't and I was disappointed. 2620 02:08:57,424 --> 02:09:00,725 I remember getting the actual LP 2621 02:09:02,341 --> 02:09:04,194 and I didn't know how I was going to feel 2622 02:09:04,194 --> 02:09:05,708 about it. 2623 02:09:05,708 --> 02:09:08,536 I took it out and put it on the turntable 2624 02:09:08,536 --> 02:09:11,387 and as I was putting the needle down I said, 2625 02:09:11,387 --> 02:09:13,596 "Knock me on my ass, please." 2626 02:09:16,127 --> 02:09:16,870 So then I knew. 2627 02:09:17,816 --> 02:09:19,075 I wanted it to be good. 2628 02:09:20,902 --> 02:09:22,779 I was very disappointed 2629 02:09:22,779 --> 02:09:24,692 and I felt bad for them. 2630 02:09:24,692 --> 02:09:29,643 ♪ Life is so strange when it's changing, yes in deed ♪ 2631 02:09:29,643 --> 02:09:31,462 ♪ Well, I've seen the hard times ♪ 2632 02:09:31,462 --> 02:09:34,724 ♪ And the pressure's been on me ♪ 2633 02:09:34,724 --> 02:09:36,859 ♪ But I keep on workin' ♪ 2634 02:09:36,859 --> 02:09:39,968 ♪ Like a workin' man do ♪ 2635 02:09:39,968 --> 02:09:42,186 ♪ And I got my act together ♪ 2636 02:09:42,186 --> 02:09:43,993 ♪ I'm gonna walk all over you ♪ 2637 02:09:43,993 --> 02:09:47,853 ♪ Gimme back my bullets ♪ 2638 02:09:47,853 --> 02:09:52,853 ♪ Put em back where they belong ♪ 2639 02:09:53,719 --> 02:09:58,719 ♪ Ain't foolin' around cause I done had my fun ♪ 2640 02:09:59,023 --> 02:10:03,176 ♪ Ain't gonna see no more damage done. ♪ 2641 02:10:03,176 --> 02:10:04,916 ♪ Gimme back my bullets ♪ 2642 02:10:06,086 --> 02:10:08,280 - Al Kooper had a certain style 2643 02:10:08,280 --> 02:10:10,650 and the early recordings of the band 2644 02:10:10,650 --> 02:10:13,564 he had full control of that freshness. 2645 02:10:14,733 --> 02:10:18,499 When Tom came along we were looking 2646 02:10:18,499 --> 02:10:23,499 for some help and I don't think Tom was able 2647 02:10:23,897 --> 02:10:25,833 to capture that sound. 2648 02:10:25,833 --> 02:10:27,068 It was nobody's fault, 2649 02:10:28,508 --> 02:10:32,004 but the facts were that the band 2650 02:10:33,960 --> 02:10:36,717 was very popular, 2651 02:10:36,717 --> 02:10:38,903 expected to come out with some more material. 2652 02:10:39,979 --> 02:10:44,575 Tom Dowd was the magic man, Aretha Franklin, 2653 02:10:44,575 --> 02:10:47,271 Live Cream, Derrick and the Dominos, 2654 02:10:47,271 --> 02:10:49,829 The Allman Brothers, he had a track record, 2655 02:10:49,829 --> 02:10:51,636 so Ronnie liked that. 2656 02:10:51,636 --> 02:10:54,244 But capturing the magic from Pronounced, 2657 02:10:55,262 --> 02:10:57,913 that boat had left, you know had sailed, 2658 02:10:57,913 --> 02:10:59,263 that Pronounced boat. 2659 02:10:59,263 --> 02:11:00,964 You can't get that magic, 2660 02:11:00,964 --> 02:11:05,964 but Tom in his own way emphasized 2661 02:11:07,218 --> 02:11:10,268 the words and Ronnie Van Zant and made sure 2662 02:11:10,268 --> 02:11:11,653 that those vocals were out there. 2663 02:11:11,653 --> 02:11:13,143 And that's what the band was about. 2664 02:11:13,143 --> 02:11:15,360 ♪ Those misters dressed in blue ♪ 2665 02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:17,942 ♪ Never done so right by me ♪ 2666 02:11:17,942 --> 02:11:20,437 ♪ Some of the times I was innocent ♪ 2667 02:11:20,437 --> 02:11:22,983 ♪ but the judge said guilty ♪ 2668 02:11:22,983 --> 02:11:26,633 ♪ I'm not one to complain ♪ 2669 02:11:26,633 --> 02:11:31,633 ♪ Now son I tell you true ♪ 2670 02:11:32,593 --> 02:11:34,740 ♪ When the black cat cross your trail ♪ 2671 02:11:34,740 --> 02:11:39,740 ♪ Lord they come in pairs of two ♪ 2672 02:11:41,536 --> 02:11:44,411 ♪ Double Trouble ♪ 2673 02:11:44,411 --> 02:11:49,411 ♪ That's what my friends all call me ♪ 2674 02:11:50,465 --> 02:11:53,515 ♪ Double, double ♪ 2675 02:11:53,515 --> 02:11:56,288 ♪ T-R-O-U-B-L-E ♪ 2676 02:11:58,080 --> 02:12:01,177 - I think that Tom Dowd was probably a logical person 2677 02:12:01,177 --> 02:12:03,852 to work with because he was clearly a great producer. 2678 02:12:03,852 --> 02:12:05,577 He had the history with The Allman Brothers 2679 02:12:05,577 --> 02:12:07,994 as well as with Cream who are very profound 2680 02:12:07,994 --> 02:12:09,590 influence on Lynyrd Skynyrd, 2681 02:12:09,590 --> 02:12:11,244 so I'm sure it all made sense. 2682 02:12:11,244 --> 02:12:14,635 I'm sure that Tom worked his very hardest 2683 02:12:14,635 --> 02:12:16,078 to get something out of them. 2684 02:12:16,078 --> 02:12:17,850 I think the biggest issue with that album 2685 02:12:17,850 --> 02:12:19,551 was that the material just wasn't there. 2686 02:12:19,551 --> 02:12:21,651 They really didn't have the songs. 2687 02:12:21,651 --> 02:12:24,045 The loss of Ed King almost certainly had 2688 02:12:24,045 --> 02:12:27,893 a volatarious impact on Lynyrd Skynyrd song writing. 2689 02:12:27,893 --> 02:12:29,630 Their song writing suffered. 2690 02:12:29,630 --> 02:12:32,211 Their creativity suffered and at that point 2691 02:12:32,211 --> 02:12:34,147 it seemed like a fairly reasonable bet 2692 02:12:34,147 --> 02:12:36,106 to think that Lynyrd Skynyrd was petering out 2693 02:12:36,106 --> 02:12:39,427 and was not going to be a creative or commercial 2694 02:12:39,427 --> 02:12:41,374 force for much longer. 2695 02:12:41,374 --> 02:12:44,061 - [Voiceover] Yet, Gimme Back My Bullets would be divisive 2696 02:12:44,061 --> 02:12:47,816 with some critics and fans viewing it as an overlooked gem 2697 02:12:47,816 --> 02:12:49,564 in Skynyrd's cannon. 2698 02:12:49,564 --> 02:12:51,887 - I think Gimmie Back My Bullets was one of their best 2699 02:12:51,887 --> 02:12:54,457 albums, that's just my opinion, always. 2700 02:12:54,457 --> 02:12:56,510 Me and Alan always agreed on that. 2701 02:12:56,510 --> 02:12:58,293 I loved that album. 2702 02:12:58,293 --> 02:13:00,412 Of course none of the rest of them, 2703 02:13:00,412 --> 02:13:02,418 it didn't sell well. 2704 02:13:02,418 --> 02:13:04,718 Nobody else was really satisfied with it. 2705 02:13:04,718 --> 02:13:06,853 I thought it was a great album. 2706 02:13:06,853 --> 02:13:09,200 - I feel like this record really did get it's 2707 02:13:09,200 --> 02:13:11,019 short's ripped. 2708 02:13:11,019 --> 02:13:14,128 Maybe because there isn't a big hit song 2709 02:13:14,128 --> 02:13:15,407 on the record. 2710 02:13:15,407 --> 02:13:17,613 I think that they are actually getting stronger 2711 02:13:17,613 --> 02:13:19,220 as a band when I listen to this record 2712 02:13:19,220 --> 02:13:20,550 now, today. 2713 02:13:21,590 --> 02:13:24,418 It's very, it's a very self assured record. 2714 02:13:24,418 --> 02:13:25,990 The playing is great. 2715 02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:27,011 It's a great record. 2716 02:13:27,011 --> 02:13:30,718 Probably a better record than even fans 2717 02:13:30,718 --> 02:13:34,004 might give it credit for, just because it doesn't have 2718 02:13:34,004 --> 02:13:38,321 Free Bird or Sweet Home Alabama or Simple Man 2719 02:13:38,321 --> 02:13:41,113 or like one of these tunes, 2720 02:13:41,113 --> 02:13:42,897 these block buster tunes. 2721 02:13:42,897 --> 02:13:46,358 I think the record actually hasn't gotten it's due. 2722 02:13:46,358 --> 02:13:48,837 I think it's a better record than people think. 2723 02:13:50,371 --> 02:13:52,940 If a Skynyrd fan was sitting here he go, "I know. 2724 02:13:52,940 --> 02:13:55,650 "You don't have to tell me." 2725 02:13:55,650 --> 02:13:57,516 - [Voiceover] If Gimme Back my Bullets was commercially 2726 02:13:57,516 --> 02:14:00,132 a disappointment, as a live act, Skynyrd was losing none 2727 02:14:00,132 --> 02:14:01,834 of it's appeal. 2728 02:14:01,834 --> 02:14:03,688 Just before the album's release the band 2729 02:14:03,688 --> 02:14:06,621 headed across the Atlantic for another European tour. 2730 02:14:06,621 --> 02:14:09,261 Returning to the US in March to embark on a three month 2731 02:14:09,261 --> 02:14:10,786 run of shows. 2732 02:14:10,786 --> 02:14:13,590 Now a headlining act playing large venues, 2733 02:14:13,590 --> 02:14:16,817 Ronnie Van Zant was keen to expand Skynyrd's live sound 2734 02:14:16,817 --> 02:14:19,598 and brought female backing singers Leslie Hawkins, 2735 02:14:19,598 --> 02:14:23,470 Deborah, Jo Jo Billingsly and Cassie Gains into the fold 2736 02:14:23,470 --> 02:14:26,498 who would collectively be know as The Honkettes. 2737 02:14:26,498 --> 02:14:28,656 It was a welcome addition to the stage show 2738 02:14:28,656 --> 02:14:30,616 and although the widest Southern Rock movement 2739 02:14:30,616 --> 02:14:34,288 had by 1976 begun to wain, Lynyrd Skynyrd remained 2740 02:14:34,288 --> 02:14:36,322 one of the top live draws in the world. 2741 02:14:38,172 --> 02:14:41,316 - We had three beautiful women that sang back-up with us, 2742 02:14:41,316 --> 02:14:43,651 The Honkettes, hand-picked by Ronnie Van Zant. 2743 02:14:43,651 --> 02:14:46,009 Cassie was like a broadway singer. 2744 02:14:46,009 --> 02:14:47,793 She had a broadway voice. 2745 02:14:47,793 --> 02:14:49,811 Ooo, you know, really strong. 2746 02:14:49,811 --> 02:14:52,463 Leslie Hawkins was our soprano. 2747 02:14:52,463 --> 02:14:54,179 She was our song bird. 2748 02:14:55,290 --> 02:14:58,446 Jo Jo was the honkey-tonk queen. 2749 02:14:58,446 --> 02:15:01,614 She had that rough, baby, baby 2750 02:15:01,614 --> 02:15:03,327 and Ronnie liked that. 2751 02:15:03,327 --> 02:15:05,604 He liked the fact that the girls were all different. 2752 02:15:05,604 --> 02:15:08,009 Their blend was perfect. 2753 02:15:08,009 --> 02:15:08,998 He hand-picked them. 2754 02:15:12,984 --> 02:15:17,102 ♪ Let's cry for the bad man ♪ 2755 02:15:17,102 --> 02:15:20,950 ♪ ooo, ooo, ooo, hoo ♪ 2756 02:15:20,950 --> 02:15:23,240 ♪ I wrote a song for the bad man ♪ 2757 02:15:23,240 --> 02:15:24,836 ♪ Bad man ♪ 2758 02:15:24,836 --> 02:15:28,355 ♪ ooo, ooo, ooo, hoo ♪ 2759 02:15:28,355 --> 02:15:31,680 ♪ Let's cry for the bad man ♪ 2760 02:15:33,921 --> 02:15:35,208 - Everybody thinks we're a Southern band 2761 02:15:35,208 --> 02:15:37,812 well, we are and the crowds in the South 2762 02:15:37,812 --> 02:15:40,886 are crazy, but man, when we play in New York City 2763 02:15:40,886 --> 02:15:43,256 and up North they love the music. 2764 02:15:43,256 --> 02:15:46,119 They were just as big of fans as the people in the South 2765 02:15:46,119 --> 02:15:49,264 as well as in UK, just as big of fans 2766 02:15:49,264 --> 02:15:52,983 When we went to Japan they treated us like 2767 02:15:52,983 --> 02:15:54,919 we were the Beatles, man. 2768 02:15:54,919 --> 02:15:59,424 Anywhere we played the reception was always the same, 2769 02:15:59,424 --> 02:16:01,337 very exuberant. 2770 02:16:01,337 --> 02:16:03,226 - [Voiceover] Lynyrd Skynyrd was strengthened even further 2771 02:16:03,226 --> 02:16:07,121 by the introduction of a new guitarist in May1976. 2772 02:16:07,121 --> 02:16:09,163 A position that Van Zant had beer considering filling 2773 02:16:09,163 --> 02:16:11,556 ever since Ed King's departure. 2774 02:16:11,556 --> 02:16:14,947 Upon her arrival in the band, backing vocalist Cassie Gains 2775 02:16:14,947 --> 02:16:17,751 had been recommending her younger brother, Steve. 2776 02:16:17,751 --> 02:16:20,473 Yet, this suggestion was initially dismissed by the band 2777 02:16:20,473 --> 02:16:22,566 because they were looking for a higher profile player. 2778 02:16:23,442 --> 02:16:26,504 In May, however, at a show in Kansas City, Van Zant 2779 02:16:26,504 --> 02:16:28,992 invited Steve Gains to audition with Skynyrd 2780 02:16:28,992 --> 02:16:32,206 at a live concert and following further jams with the band 2781 02:16:32,206 --> 02:16:34,447 he proved that he was more than qualified to take 2782 02:16:34,447 --> 02:16:36,735 on the roll as third guitarist. 2783 02:16:36,735 --> 02:16:38,390 - He got out and played with us in front 2784 02:16:38,390 --> 02:16:40,177 of about 80,000 people. 2785 02:16:40,177 --> 02:16:42,144 Ronnie asked him that day, you know, to be a part 2786 02:16:42,144 --> 02:16:43,646 of the band. 2787 02:16:43,646 --> 02:16:47,741 At the time Ed left the band there was everybody 2788 02:16:47,741 --> 02:16:52,708 in the band had tremendous drug and alcohol problems 2789 02:16:53,866 --> 02:16:56,576 and so I'm not blaming anybody. 2790 02:16:56,576 --> 02:16:57,550 It wasn't Ed's fault. 2791 02:16:57,550 --> 02:16:58,805 It wasn't Ronnie's fault. 2792 02:16:58,805 --> 02:16:59,935 It was just the times. 2793 02:17:01,422 --> 02:17:04,261 Steve came at a great time. 2794 02:17:04,261 --> 02:17:07,945 Steve's very mellow, laid back intellect came in. 2795 02:17:07,945 --> 02:17:12,392 That in itself helped us right the ship. 2796 02:17:12,392 --> 02:17:14,973 We were a happy family. 2797 02:17:14,973 --> 02:17:18,305 Everybody wanted to be cool for Steve 2798 02:17:18,305 --> 02:17:20,488 because he was such a nice guy. 2799 02:17:20,488 --> 02:17:22,224 The band didn't want Steve to know 2800 02:17:22,224 --> 02:17:25,126 that they were out of their mind drunken maniacs. 2801 02:17:26,037 --> 02:17:27,352 That was later. 2802 02:17:27,352 --> 02:17:27,918 That came later. 2803 02:17:29,182 --> 02:17:30,872 - [Voiceover] Reinvigorated by the introduction 2804 02:17:30,872 --> 02:17:33,852 of this young virtuoso in July the band recorded 2805 02:17:33,852 --> 02:17:36,954 a live album across three dates at Atlanta's Fox Theater. 2806 02:17:37,912 --> 02:17:40,857 After the rushed Nuthin' Fancy and the commercial 2807 02:17:40,857 --> 02:17:42,840 disappointment of Gimme Back My Bullets 2808 02:17:42,840 --> 02:17:45,568 Skynyrd needed to reestablish their energy on record. 2809 02:17:45,568 --> 02:17:49,206 With One More From the Road release September 1976 2810 02:17:49,206 --> 02:17:51,200 they succeeded. 2811 02:17:51,200 --> 02:17:53,840 Peaking in the Top-10 in the US and going platinum 2812 02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:56,730 before the year was out it restored their reputation. 2813 02:17:57,806 --> 02:17:59,355 - I remember when it came out. 2814 02:17:59,355 --> 02:18:00,610 It sounded phenomenal. 2815 02:18:00,610 --> 02:18:02,112 Skynyrd was a live band. 2816 02:18:02,112 --> 02:18:03,520 They lived to play live, 2817 02:18:03,520 --> 02:18:06,078 and you could tell, that's their thing. 2818 02:18:06,078 --> 02:18:07,134 They're musicians. 2819 02:18:07,134 --> 02:18:09,046 They're going to thrive on an audience 2820 02:18:09,046 --> 02:18:12,452 and ratcheting things up to another level. 2821 02:18:14,192 --> 02:18:17,360 Free Bird live is just phenomenal. 2822 02:18:17,360 --> 02:18:19,182 It's just everything it should be. 2823 02:18:20,152 --> 02:18:22,534 - Lynyrd Skynyrd recorded One More From The Road 2824 02:18:22,534 --> 02:18:25,303 in July 1976. 2825 02:18:25,303 --> 02:18:27,250 Steve Gains had only been a member of the band 2826 02:18:27,250 --> 02:18:28,377 for two months. 2827 02:18:28,377 --> 02:18:29,961 As strong as the album is, 2828 02:18:29,961 --> 02:18:31,862 as much as it was a great live album 2829 02:18:31,862 --> 02:18:33,528 that really reestablished them 2830 02:18:33,528 --> 02:18:35,205 and stands the test of time 2831 02:18:35,205 --> 02:18:37,153 I believe if it had been recorded two or three 2832 02:18:37,153 --> 02:18:41,131 months later it would have been quite a bit better. 2833 02:18:41,131 --> 02:18:43,348 Steve Gains was a fantastic guitar player 2834 02:18:43,348 --> 02:18:46,692 who had unique ideas, jump started the band 2835 02:18:46,692 --> 02:18:49,191 and surely gave a kick in the behind 2836 02:18:49,191 --> 02:18:51,178 to Gary Rossington and Allen Collins. 2837 02:18:52,530 --> 02:18:55,017 As a musician if you add another person 2838 02:18:55,017 --> 02:18:58,174 of that caliber into the mix it has to do that. 2839 02:18:58,174 --> 02:18:59,194 It just has to. 2840 02:18:59,194 --> 02:19:02,022 It has to change the dynamics and I think what you hear 2841 02:19:02,022 --> 02:19:05,217 on this live album is the very beginnings of that happening. 2842 02:19:06,539 --> 02:19:08,405 - [Voiceover] This confirmation of the band's status 2843 02:19:08,405 --> 02:19:10,270 as one of the greatest live acts in the world 2844 02:19:10,270 --> 02:19:13,673 continued in 1976 with a show in front of their biggest 2845 02:19:13,673 --> 02:19:14,615 crowd to date. 2846 02:19:15,538 --> 02:19:19,316 August 21st almost two months after The Fox Theater concerts 2847 02:19:19,316 --> 02:19:22,168 were recorded, Skynyrd travelled to the UK to perform 2848 02:19:22,168 --> 02:19:23,916 at the Knebworth festival. 2849 02:19:23,916 --> 02:19:26,638 On a bill headlined by a band who had initially inspired 2850 02:19:26,638 --> 02:19:29,419 Ronnie Van Zant to persue music in the first place, 2851 02:19:29,419 --> 02:19:31,366 The Rolling Stones. 2852 02:19:31,366 --> 02:19:34,264 Not only did Skynyrd deliver a momentous set they were 2853 02:19:34,264 --> 02:19:36,611 considered the high-lite of the event. 2854 02:19:36,611 --> 02:19:39,861 - Everybody that was there said the same thing, 2855 02:19:39,861 --> 02:19:41,515 "The Stones were horrible. 2856 02:19:41,515 --> 02:19:43,064 "They were barely coherent. 2857 02:19:43,064 --> 02:19:44,378 "They could barely stand up." 2858 02:19:44,378 --> 02:19:47,323 Skynyrd's set is what turned on the entire crowd 2859 02:19:47,323 --> 02:19:49,071 probably 1/2 a million people or whatever, 2860 02:19:49,071 --> 02:19:50,714 200,000, 300,000. 2861 02:19:50,714 --> 02:19:53,201 - It was 100% cool. 2862 02:19:53,201 --> 02:19:57,179 The Mirror said that we possessed the energy of the day 2863 02:19:57,179 --> 02:20:00,089 because of the energy of our set. 2864 02:20:00,089 --> 02:20:03,280 The Stone came out two hours late and drunk. 2865 02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:05,662 I actually made a statement that we blew 2866 02:20:05,662 --> 02:20:07,340 The Stones off the stage. 2867 02:20:07,340 --> 02:20:10,320 Nobody blows The Stones off the stage, of course. 2868 02:20:10,320 --> 02:20:13,519 I felt like we gave it a nice try 2869 02:20:13,519 --> 02:20:16,292 as far as going out 2870 02:20:16,292 --> 02:20:19,292 and doing our show and our set and just standing 2871 02:20:19,292 --> 02:20:20,923 on the music alone. 2872 02:20:20,923 --> 02:20:23,390 I think standing on the music alone, we held our own. 2873 02:20:33,325 --> 02:20:36,011 - We're on stage in front of 1/2 a million people 2874 02:20:36,011 --> 02:20:38,409 and Steve Gains is taking a solo 2875 02:20:39,860 --> 02:20:41,843 and you can see Ronnie back up to him 2876 02:20:41,843 --> 02:20:45,621 on this humongous stage and you can see his smile. 2877 02:20:45,621 --> 02:20:48,378 You can see that he's thinking to himself, 2878 02:20:48,378 --> 02:20:53,306 "Man, am I a smart guy, man for bringing this Steve Gains 2879 02:20:53,306 --> 02:20:55,559 "dude into the band." 2880 02:20:55,559 --> 02:20:59,935 Because Steve's just shredding on this solo 2881 02:20:59,935 --> 02:21:02,626 and Ronnie's got this beautiful smile on his face. 2882 02:21:03,525 --> 02:21:04,632 (guitar music solo) 2883 02:21:32,154 --> 02:21:34,289 And Ronnie, you can just see that moment 2884 02:21:34,289 --> 02:21:36,800 that he just looks at Steve and to me 2885 02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:38,490 that just says it all. 2886 02:21:38,490 --> 02:21:41,145 Steve Gains made a huge difference in the band. 2887 02:21:42,233 --> 02:21:44,016 - [Voiceover] Although they were apparently riding high 2888 02:21:44,016 --> 02:21:47,055 again reenergized by Gains and back in the charts 2889 02:21:47,055 --> 02:21:49,472 with One More From The Road the band members 2890 02:21:49,472 --> 02:21:51,877 drink and drug problems were too far advanced 2891 02:21:51,877 --> 02:21:54,083 for each of them to properly control. 2892 02:21:54,083 --> 02:21:57,521 In September '76 both Allen Collins and Gary Rossington 2893 02:21:57,521 --> 02:22:00,184 were involved in road accidents caused by their substance 2894 02:22:00,184 --> 02:22:01,627 abuse issues. 2895 02:22:01,627 --> 02:22:04,326 Rossington's injuries in particular causing six concerts 2896 02:22:04,326 --> 02:22:05,968 to be cancelled. 2897 02:22:05,968 --> 02:22:08,397 At this point Van Zant acknowledged that they needed 2898 02:22:08,397 --> 02:22:09,817 to change their ways. 2899 02:22:09,817 --> 02:22:12,287 Pening the song That Smell and turning to his 2900 02:22:12,287 --> 02:22:14,670 old friend Gene Odom to step in and curb their 2901 02:22:14,670 --> 02:22:16,160 excesses. 2902 02:22:16,160 --> 02:22:18,331 - He says, "I want you to stay with me and be my bodyguard. 2903 02:22:18,331 --> 02:22:19,351 "Take care of us. 2904 02:22:19,351 --> 02:22:21,768 "Get us off of the booze and alcohol, do that first 2905 02:22:21,768 --> 02:22:23,575 "and then the drugs will be next." 2906 02:22:23,575 --> 02:22:25,863 He said, "I want you to straighten this band up. 2907 02:22:25,863 --> 02:22:27,670 "I want you to get us off of all this crap. 2908 02:22:27,670 --> 02:22:30,146 "And you're the only person that can do it because 2909 02:22:30,146 --> 02:22:32,082 "you're the only person that'll never do drugs 2910 02:22:32,082 --> 02:22:34,100 "or never smoke, or never drink." 2911 02:22:34,100 --> 02:22:36,564 And he was determined to get them off of it. 2912 02:22:36,564 --> 02:22:39,700 And you can do a sociable drink or you can be an alcoholic. 2913 02:22:40,682 --> 02:22:42,700 He said, "We want to get away from this. 2914 02:22:42,700 --> 02:22:44,753 "And you're the only person that can do that for us. 2915 02:22:44,753 --> 02:22:46,317 "Management can't, nobody can do this, 2916 02:22:46,317 --> 02:22:48,593 "but somebody like you that's never going 2917 02:22:48,593 --> 02:22:50,509 "to hand us something and say, hey." 2918 02:22:51,527 --> 02:22:53,275 I would have got them off of it. 2919 02:22:53,275 --> 02:22:54,613 I would have got them off of it to the point 2920 02:22:54,613 --> 02:22:56,877 that they didn't have to live with it. 2921 02:22:56,877 --> 02:22:59,083 They might do it for a sociable thing, 2922 02:22:59,083 --> 02:23:02,251 but they didn't have to bury their head in it. 2923 02:23:02,251 --> 02:23:03,828 And he wanted that. 2924 02:23:05,338 --> 02:23:07,649 - [Voiceover] 1977 started well. 2925 02:23:07,649 --> 02:23:10,360 Skynyrd heading off the successful tours first in Japan 2926 02:23:10,360 --> 02:23:12,941 and then in the UK before returning to Jacksonville 2927 02:23:12,941 --> 02:23:15,639 in February to work up fresh material. 2928 02:23:15,639 --> 02:23:18,045 Having recorded demos of these new compositions 2929 02:23:18,045 --> 02:23:20,755 at a local studio, in April the band transferred 2930 02:23:20,755 --> 02:23:23,759 to Criteria Studios in Miami to work once again 2931 02:23:23,759 --> 02:23:25,334 with producer Tom Dowd. 2932 02:23:26,399 --> 02:23:28,722 Yet, after cutting the majority of the album there 2933 02:23:28,722 --> 02:23:30,763 they were alerted by their live sound engineer 2934 02:23:30,763 --> 02:23:33,937 Kevin Elson to the poor quality of the recording. 2935 02:23:33,937 --> 02:23:36,757 Skynyrd abandoned both Tom Dowd and the studio. 2936 02:23:37,798 --> 02:23:39,511 - The stuff was sounding like crap. 2937 02:23:39,511 --> 02:23:41,095 It was thin and weak. 2938 02:23:41,095 --> 02:23:43,347 We needed to go home back to Studio One 2939 02:23:43,347 --> 02:23:45,236 where Sweet Home Alabama was recorded, 2940 02:23:45,236 --> 02:23:46,234 Saturday Night Special. 2941 02:23:46,234 --> 02:23:48,678 Go back where we could get that good sound, 2942 02:23:49,883 --> 02:23:54,189 so we trashed about $70,000 worth of material 2943 02:23:54,189 --> 02:23:57,568 that we had recorded at Criteria in Florida. 2944 02:23:57,568 --> 02:23:59,026 We just threw it in the garbage can. 2945 02:23:59,996 --> 02:24:02,718 - [Voiceover] Skynyrd would have to wait until July 1977 2946 02:24:02,718 --> 02:24:04,279 to re-record the album. 2947 02:24:04,279 --> 02:24:06,485 Their schedule once again demanding that they return 2948 02:24:06,485 --> 02:24:08,518 to the road for two months of US shows. 2949 02:24:09,559 --> 02:24:12,633 When they finally did reconvene first at Studio One 2950 02:24:12,633 --> 02:24:16,035 in Doraville and later at Muscle Shoals working once again 2951 02:24:16,035 --> 02:24:17,702 with Jimmy Johnson. 2952 02:24:17,702 --> 02:24:20,580 Ronnie Van Zant himself oversaw the album's completion. 2953 02:24:21,761 --> 02:24:24,331 The band's radical decision to abandon the original 2954 02:24:24,331 --> 02:24:27,276 recordings and start again from scratch paid dividends 2955 02:24:27,276 --> 02:24:28,119 however. 2956 02:24:28,119 --> 02:24:32,190 Released in October 1977 Street Survivor sproved 2957 02:24:32,190 --> 02:24:34,085 a phenomenal return to form. 2958 02:24:34,085 --> 02:24:36,215 Steve Gains not only injecting the proceedings 2959 02:24:36,215 --> 02:24:38,397 with new vitality but also contributing 2960 02:24:38,397 --> 02:24:42,093 as both a songwriter and lead singer on one track. 2961 02:24:42,093 --> 02:24:44,745 It would however sadly be the only studio album 2962 02:24:44,745 --> 02:24:46,896 of Skynyrd's to which he was able to contribute. 2963 02:24:47,784 --> 02:24:50,582 - Street Survivors is an extremely strong album. 2964 02:24:50,582 --> 02:24:54,071 I think it's clearly their best album since Second Helping. 2965 02:24:54,947 --> 02:24:57,610 The band sounds completely revitalized 2966 02:24:57,610 --> 02:25:00,313 by Steve Gains whose playing is all over the album, 2967 02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:04,885 but in addition, Ronnie Van Zant has written his 2968 02:25:04,885 --> 02:25:08,229 best batch of songs since the beginning 2969 02:25:08,229 --> 02:25:10,286 perhaps inspired by Steve's presence. 2970 02:25:11,549 --> 02:25:14,271 The fact that there was a torture history to the 2971 02:25:14,271 --> 02:25:16,090 recording of the album, that it was recorded once 2972 02:25:16,090 --> 02:25:20,267 and put aside is a fascinating foot note 2973 02:25:20,267 --> 02:25:22,390 because it doesn't sound anything like that. 2974 02:25:22,390 --> 02:25:25,770 It sounds easy and natural and hard driving 2975 02:25:25,770 --> 02:25:27,142 and heart swinging. 2976 02:25:27,142 --> 02:25:28,961 They had those songs under their thumbs. 2977 02:25:28,961 --> 02:25:30,486 They don't sound like new songs. 2978 02:25:30,486 --> 02:25:32,833 They don't sound tentative in the least 2979 02:25:32,833 --> 02:25:35,543 and it's an extremely strong album. 2980 02:25:35,543 --> 02:25:38,324 It's probably the Lynyrd Skynyrd album that I listen 2981 02:25:38,324 --> 02:25:39,368 to the most. 2982 02:25:39,368 --> 02:25:44,120 ♪ Whiskey bottles and brand new cars ♪ 2983 02:25:44,120 --> 02:25:47,663 ♪ Oak tree you're in my way ♪ 2984 02:25:47,663 --> 02:25:49,764 ♪ There's too much coke ♪ 2985 02:25:49,764 --> 02:25:51,887 ♪ And too much smoke ♪ 2986 02:25:51,887 --> 02:25:55,994 ♪ Look what's going on inside you ♪ 2987 02:25:55,994 --> 02:26:00,136 ♪ Ooo ooo that smell ♪ 2988 02:26:00,136 --> 02:26:03,843 ♪ Can't you smell that smell ♪ 2989 02:26:03,843 --> 02:26:08,843 ♪ Ooo ooo that smell ♪ 2990 02:26:08,877 --> 02:26:11,403 ♪ The smell of death surrounds you ♪ 2991 02:26:14,536 --> 02:26:18,674 - That smell is an eery song listened to 2992 02:26:18,674 --> 02:26:20,648 with the knowledge of what was soon to come. 2993 02:26:21,607 --> 02:26:26,607 And it shows that Ronnie Van Zant, similar to Am I losing 2994 02:26:27,581 --> 02:26:32,581 was aware of the dangerous terrain that the band was 2995 02:26:32,814 --> 02:26:36,275 walking on and he understood that they were surrounded 2996 02:26:36,275 --> 02:26:39,666 by a certain amount of doom and gloom and foreboding 2997 02:26:39,666 --> 02:26:43,655 and that things had to change or they wouldn't last long. 2998 02:26:43,655 --> 02:26:47,269 ♪ Now they call you prince charming ♪ 2999 02:26:47,269 --> 02:26:51,564 ♪ Can't speak a work when you're full of ludes ♪ 3000 02:26:51,564 --> 02:26:55,377 ♪ Say, you'll be all right come tomorrow ♪ 3001 02:26:55,377 --> 02:27:00,377 ♪ But tomorrow might not be here for you ♪ 3002 02:27:01,109 --> 02:27:03,069 ♪ Yeah, you ♪ 3003 02:27:03,069 --> 02:27:05,497 - He has a statement to make about Rossington 3004 02:27:05,497 --> 02:27:07,879 because you know, he had to go see Rossington 3005 02:27:07,879 --> 02:27:09,311 in the hospital a few times. 3006 02:27:09,311 --> 02:27:11,845 Rossington almost died from a car accident, 3007 02:27:11,845 --> 02:27:14,438 one of his 8 million car accidents. 3008 02:27:14,438 --> 02:27:17,457 He was afraid it was going to ruin the band. 3009 02:27:18,732 --> 02:27:22,334 This was Ronnie's statement that this is not 3010 02:27:22,334 --> 02:27:23,285 going to continue. 3011 02:27:23,285 --> 02:27:25,209 I know I'm a hypocrite for saying this. 3012 02:27:25,209 --> 02:27:28,776 I'm including myself here in these lyrics. 3013 02:27:28,776 --> 02:27:31,216 I'm singing to myself in a way here 3014 02:27:31,216 --> 02:27:34,361 but I'm telling you prince charming 3015 02:27:34,361 --> 02:27:36,179 that you are not going to be able to continue 3016 02:27:36,179 --> 02:27:37,646 to do this. 3017 02:27:37,646 --> 02:27:42,646 ♪ It's 8 o'clock in Boise, Idaho ♪ 3018 02:27:43,662 --> 02:27:45,624 ♪ I find my limo driver ♪ 3019 02:27:45,624 --> 02:27:50,624 ♪ Mister take me to the show ♪ 3020 02:27:50,861 --> 02:27:55,861 ♪ I done made plans for later on tonight ♪ 3021 02:27:57,805 --> 02:28:00,104 ♪ I found a little queenie ♪ 3022 02:28:00,104 --> 02:28:04,423 ♪ I know I can treat her right ♪ 3023 02:28:04,423 --> 02:28:07,959 ♪ What's your name little girl ♪ 3024 02:28:07,959 --> 02:28:11,767 ♪ What's your name ♪ 3025 02:28:11,767 --> 02:28:14,689 ♪ Shouldn't stay little girl ♪ 3026 02:28:14,689 --> 02:28:16,592 ♪ Cause there ain't no shame ♪ 3027 02:28:18,123 --> 02:28:19,777 - I was really proud of that album. 3028 02:28:19,777 --> 02:28:21,409 From Nuthin' Fancy, 3029 02:28:21,409 --> 02:28:23,062 it was yeah, I don't like it. 3030 02:28:23,062 --> 02:28:25,142 Gimme Back My Bullets, you know, 3031 02:28:25,142 --> 02:28:29,632 Street Survivors, to me was an indication 3032 02:28:29,632 --> 02:28:32,213 of what we were going to do. 3033 02:28:32,213 --> 02:28:34,741 Street Survivors with Steve and Ronnie 3034 02:28:34,741 --> 02:28:37,312 and the band with the new spirit 3035 02:28:37,312 --> 02:28:41,365 and Steve is just a great guitar player, incredible. 3036 02:28:41,365 --> 02:28:44,222 Ronnie got our feet back on the ground 3037 02:28:44,222 --> 02:28:47,401 with Street Survivors and the success of the live 3038 02:28:47,401 --> 02:28:49,257 album and everything. 3039 02:28:49,257 --> 02:28:52,787 We had two winners and I think the next album 3040 02:28:52,787 --> 02:28:54,664 would have been amazing and I think that 3041 02:28:54,664 --> 02:28:57,747 Ed King would have been asked to come back 3042 02:28:57,747 --> 02:29:00,541 and write a song or play with us, perform with us. 3043 02:29:00,541 --> 02:29:02,039 And Bob, on double drums. 3044 02:29:04,210 --> 02:29:06,023 That's the vision that I had. 3045 02:29:06,023 --> 02:29:10,194 That I thought things would just would come around. 3046 02:29:10,194 --> 02:29:12,146 And then we had the plane crash 3047 02:29:12,146 --> 02:29:17,146 and Ronnie was killed and that's pretty definitive, 3048 02:29:17,404 --> 02:29:18,119 you know? 3049 02:29:18,119 --> 02:29:18,945 That's it. 3050 02:29:24,262 --> 02:29:26,641 - [Voiceover] Days before the release of Street Survivors 3051 02:29:26,641 --> 02:29:29,190 Skynyrd had embarked on a major headline tour 3052 02:29:29,190 --> 02:29:31,899 and for this ambitious run of shows, manager Peter Rutch 3053 02:29:31,899 --> 02:29:35,590 leased a private plane to transport the band and their crew. 3054 02:29:35,590 --> 02:29:38,683 Eager to save on costs, however, the model he picked out 3055 02:29:38,683 --> 02:29:40,923 for the crew had seen better days. 3056 02:29:40,923 --> 02:29:43,131 And although it had safely delivered them to their first 3057 02:29:43,131 --> 02:29:46,437 four dates the journey to the bands final ever show 3058 02:29:46,437 --> 02:29:49,498 together in Greenville, South Carolina, had revealed 3059 02:29:49,498 --> 02:29:52,116 just how unsafe their method of transport was. 3060 02:29:52,997 --> 02:29:56,047 Yet, just before 4 a.m. on the morning after the show 3061 02:29:56,047 --> 02:29:58,895 they reluctantly boarded the plane one final time 3062 02:29:58,895 --> 02:30:00,254 heading to Baton Rouge. 3063 02:30:01,263 --> 02:30:03,492 They would never make that destination. 3064 02:30:03,492 --> 02:30:05,998 - We'd shot a flame out of one of the engines 3065 02:30:05,998 --> 02:30:08,462 coming in to Greenville and that's why we called 3066 02:30:08,462 --> 02:30:10,926 our mechanic out of Dallas, Texas, and they were 3067 02:30:10,926 --> 02:30:14,205 gonna meet us in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and fix the plane. 3068 02:30:15,854 --> 02:30:17,422 But we shouldn't have tried to make it 3069 02:30:17,422 --> 02:30:18,830 from Greenville to Baton Rouge. 3070 02:30:18,830 --> 02:30:20,195 That was the mistake. 3071 02:30:20,195 --> 02:30:22,264 The plane had problems, obviously 3072 02:30:22,264 --> 02:30:24,477 and we took off. 3073 02:30:25,571 --> 02:30:27,437 And the rest is history. 3074 02:30:27,437 --> 02:30:29,714 We flew into the history books. 3075 02:30:42,097 --> 02:30:44,273 (chokes up) Excuse me. 3076 02:30:46,348 --> 02:30:47,814 (grinding metal) 3077 02:30:58,966 --> 02:31:02,353 - After we got on the plane and we got airborne 3078 02:31:02,353 --> 02:31:04,646 Ronnie gets up down to me because 3079 02:31:04,646 --> 02:31:05,707 they were hollering for me to come back 3080 02:31:05,707 --> 02:31:08,842 and play poker and I had run up to the cockpit 3081 02:31:08,842 --> 02:31:11,338 and I was hearing that in the engine and I was 3082 02:31:11,338 --> 02:31:13,945 communicating with the pilot about that damn engine. 3083 02:31:16,917 --> 02:31:19,263 Ronnie gets up and says, "Man, I took two sleeping pills 3084 02:31:19,263 --> 02:31:20,906 "because I was up all night long Gene." 3085 02:31:20,906 --> 02:31:22,495 And I said, "Yeah, I heard." 3086 02:31:22,495 --> 02:31:24,281 And he says, "I gotta get some sleep." 3087 02:31:30,526 --> 02:31:31,998 - We started running out of fuel. 3088 02:31:31,998 --> 02:31:33,193 I went to the cockpit. 3089 02:31:33,193 --> 02:31:34,750 I played stewardess. 3090 02:31:34,750 --> 02:31:36,248 I told everybody to put out their cigarettes. 3091 02:31:37,427 --> 02:31:41,374 Conserve power, turn off lights, everything 3092 02:31:41,374 --> 02:31:45,011 and get pillows and prepare for impact. 3093 02:31:45,011 --> 02:31:48,866 I'm a pilot, so I played stewardess 3094 02:31:49,875 --> 02:31:52,189 and I went back to the cockpit 3095 02:31:52,189 --> 02:31:55,244 and the pilot and co-pilot, Walter McCreary and John Gray 3096 02:31:55,244 --> 02:31:58,204 they said, "You better go back and strap yourself in." 3097 02:31:58,204 --> 02:32:00,273 And they looked at me and I could see they had fear 3098 02:32:00,273 --> 02:32:01,287 in their eyes. 3099 02:32:01,287 --> 02:32:04,476 - Artimus went back to his seat and I grabbed Ronnie 3100 02:32:04,476 --> 02:32:06,135 up off of the floor. 3101 02:32:06,135 --> 02:32:08,577 I snatched him up and shoved him between Allen and Gary, 3102 02:32:08,577 --> 02:32:09,910 but I said, "Man, the plane's crashing." 3103 02:32:09,910 --> 02:32:11,894 He said, "Don't be messing, Gene, I got 3104 02:32:11,894 --> 02:32:12,950 "to get some sleep, man. 3105 02:32:12,950 --> 02:32:14,838 "Don't be messing with me, man I gotta get some sleep." 3106 02:32:14,838 --> 02:32:15,990 I said, "The plane's crashing." 3107 02:32:15,990 --> 02:32:16,918 And I strapped him in. 3108 02:32:16,918 --> 02:32:18,230 He said, "Man, don't be messing with me." 3109 02:32:18,230 --> 02:32:19,909 I think he might have unsnapped it before, 3110 02:32:20,971 --> 02:32:22,298 I know he did, actually. 3111 02:32:23,957 --> 02:32:25,205 And I said, "Man, the plane's crashing. 3112 02:32:25,205 --> 02:32:25,589 "I'm not messing with you. 3113 02:32:25,589 --> 02:32:26,548 "Put your head down." 3114 02:32:26,548 --> 02:32:27,594 And I actually slapped him. 3115 02:32:27,594 --> 02:32:29,727 I said, "Man, put your head down. 3116 02:32:29,727 --> 02:32:30,986 "It's mostly trees." 3117 02:32:30,986 --> 02:32:34,014 - Suddenly we came out of the clouds the low ceiling. 3118 02:32:34,014 --> 02:32:35,405 We were right on the tree tops 3119 02:32:36,787 --> 02:32:39,325 and I heard one guy go, "Trees." 3120 02:32:39,325 --> 02:32:42,333 Clayton Johnson, he worked for Bill Graham 3121 02:32:42,333 --> 02:32:43,916 and he goes, "Trees." 3122 02:32:45,138 --> 02:32:47,602 And then I could feel the trees brush against 3123 02:32:47,602 --> 02:32:49,303 the belly of the plane, the fuselage. 3124 02:32:50,279 --> 02:32:52,476 And the pilot and co-pilot the last mistake 3125 02:32:52,476 --> 02:32:54,898 they made was to put the landing gear down. 3126 02:32:54,898 --> 02:32:57,052 And we almost cleared the trees. 3127 02:32:57,052 --> 02:32:58,812 There was a field in front of us. 3128 02:32:58,812 --> 02:33:00,817 We'd almost cleared those trees, 3129 02:33:00,817 --> 02:33:02,684 but they put their landing gear down. 3130 02:33:02,684 --> 02:33:04,358 Landing gear caught the tops of the trees, 3131 02:33:04,358 --> 02:33:06,171 tripped us into a 45 degree angle. 3132 02:33:06,171 --> 02:33:08,475 We cut through the woods. 3133 02:33:08,475 --> 02:33:10,357 I watched the right wing come off. 3134 02:33:11,398 --> 02:33:16,398 Just unbelievable crunch, impact, collision 3135 02:33:17,019 --> 02:33:18,693 with the earth. 3136 02:33:18,693 --> 02:33:21,823 And then it stopped and it was quiet. 3137 02:33:30,213 --> 02:33:32,346 - I was in Los Angeles. 3138 02:33:32,346 --> 02:33:35,428 I saw it on the TV and I stayed up all night 3139 02:33:35,428 --> 02:33:36,698 watching it. 3140 02:33:36,698 --> 02:33:41,225 They didn't say who perrished 3141 02:33:42,553 --> 02:33:43,742 until the morning, 3142 02:33:44,878 --> 02:33:46,014 until the sun was up 3143 02:33:46,894 --> 02:33:48,531 and that's why I kept watching. 3144 02:33:49,422 --> 02:33:50,515 I wanted to know. 3145 02:33:51,587 --> 02:33:53,081 I wanted to know that 3146 02:33:53,081 --> 02:33:54,856 like as soon as possible. 3147 02:33:55,907 --> 02:33:58,243 - There sitting against a tree is a piece 3148 02:33:58,243 --> 02:34:00,003 of an airplane wing torn away 3149 02:34:00,003 --> 02:34:01,763 from the rest of the airplane. 3150 02:34:01,763 --> 02:34:04,461 Lying down there at the base of the tree 3151 02:34:04,461 --> 02:34:07,170 is the engine and that back there, 3152 02:34:07,170 --> 02:34:08,909 that twisted metal back there 3153 02:34:08,909 --> 02:34:11,095 is the fuselage of the plane. 3154 02:34:11,095 --> 02:34:13,250 - I was at my Mother's and Father's house 3155 02:34:13,250 --> 02:34:16,887 They almost knocked the door down. 3156 02:34:16,887 --> 02:34:17,964 People crying. 3157 02:34:17,964 --> 02:34:21,761 They told me what happened and I lost it. 3158 02:34:21,761 --> 02:34:23,483 I said "Oh, God who have we lost?" 3159 02:34:24,716 --> 02:34:25,644 It killed me, man. 3160 02:34:25,644 --> 02:34:27,098 It killed me. 3161 02:34:28,138 --> 02:34:28,815 Killed me. 3162 02:34:32,650 --> 02:34:34,378 - [Voiceover] As the surviving band members 3163 02:34:34,378 --> 02:34:36,618 and their crew were taken to various hospitals 3164 02:34:36,618 --> 02:34:39,487 in the vicinity it soon emerged that Skynyrd's latest 3165 02:34:39,487 --> 02:34:43,177 recruit, Steve Gains, his sister Cassie and the band's 3166 02:34:43,177 --> 02:34:45,833 assistant Dean Kilpatrick who had been working 3167 02:34:45,833 --> 02:34:49,294 with them since 1969 had all been killed on impact. 3168 02:34:50,793 --> 02:34:52,909 So too had Ronnie Van Zant. 3169 02:34:54,003 --> 02:34:55,550 Although the public would become aware 3170 02:34:55,550 --> 02:34:57,907 of these details within days of the crash 3171 02:34:57,907 --> 02:34:59,987 for the survivors it took longer for them 3172 02:34:59,987 --> 02:35:02,018 to discover the tragic fate of their comrades. 3173 02:35:02,952 --> 02:35:05,128 - We went to five different hospitals, 3174 02:35:05,128 --> 02:35:07,283 so the doctor came in to my room 3175 02:35:07,283 --> 02:35:10,739 and he said, "Artimus, I hear you've been asking 3176 02:35:10,739 --> 02:35:11,831 "who made it." 3177 02:35:12,978 --> 02:35:14,071 And I said, "Yeah." 3178 02:35:15,645 --> 02:35:16,780 And he said, "Are you ready?" 3179 02:35:21,906 --> 02:35:22,614 I said, "Yeah." 3180 02:35:23,740 --> 02:35:27,175 And he said, "Ronnie, Ronnie Van Zant was killed." 3181 02:35:27,175 --> 02:35:31,041 And I said, "I know, I knew that." 3182 02:35:32,796 --> 02:35:36,971 And then when he said Steve and Cassie 3183 02:35:38,534 --> 02:35:41,333 you know, that really hit me. 3184 02:35:44,571 --> 02:35:45,578 That hit hard. 3185 02:35:46,640 --> 02:35:49,019 - I didn't hear anything until I got out of the hospital 3186 02:35:49,019 --> 02:35:50,309 a month later. 3187 02:35:50,309 --> 02:35:51,760 They didn't tell me Ronnie died or anything. 3188 02:35:51,760 --> 02:35:53,616 I was going, when I got out, I said, ""Kept me, 3189 02:35:53,616 --> 02:35:56,048 "let's go see Ronnie, go visit Ronnie, come on." 3190 02:35:56,048 --> 02:35:58,324 So he started driving me to Orange Park 3191 02:35:59,173 --> 02:36:01,903 and he pulled into the cemetery and I said, 3192 02:36:01,903 --> 02:36:02,900 "What the hell are y'all doing?" 3193 02:36:03,866 --> 02:36:05,594 And they said, "Taking you to visit Ronnie, 3194 02:36:05,594 --> 02:36:07,172 "he didn't make it." 3195 02:36:07,172 --> 02:36:09,193 And that was horrible. 3196 02:36:10,511 --> 02:36:12,292 That's when I realized he didn't make it 3197 02:36:12,292 --> 02:36:13,636 because they didn't tell me. 3198 02:36:13,636 --> 02:36:14,884 I guess they didn't want me to know 3199 02:36:14,884 --> 02:36:16,185 because my health was so banged up, 3200 02:36:16,185 --> 02:36:17,422 you know. 3201 02:36:17,422 --> 02:36:19,524 But it was a month later that I knew that he had died. 3202 02:36:19,524 --> 02:36:21,806 And whoever else, I didn't know. 3203 02:36:21,806 --> 02:36:23,571 I though everybody was fine. 3204 02:36:25,694 --> 02:36:27,561 - [Voiceover] The surviving members of Lynyrd Skynyrd 3205 02:36:27,561 --> 02:36:29,673 jointly decided to dissolve the band in the wake 3206 02:36:29,673 --> 02:36:30,867 of the tragedy. 3207 02:36:30,867 --> 02:36:33,203 And for a decade pursued various musical projects, 3208 02:36:33,203 --> 02:36:35,187 together and apart. 3209 02:36:35,187 --> 02:36:38,013 In 1987 however, they reunited to perform 3210 02:36:38,013 --> 02:36:40,712 a one off tribute tour 10 years after the fateful 3211 02:36:40,712 --> 02:36:42,941 accident bringing together former members 3212 02:36:42,941 --> 02:36:46,045 Gary Rossington, Billy Powell, Leon Wilkeson, 3213 02:36:46,045 --> 02:36:49,511 Artimus Pyle and Ed King alongside Ronnie VanZant's 3214 02:36:49,511 --> 02:36:52,082 younger brother Johnny on vocals and musical 3215 02:36:52,082 --> 02:36:54,610 director Allen Collins who was unable to play 3216 02:36:54,610 --> 02:36:56,402 with the band on stage having been left 3217 02:36:56,402 --> 02:36:58,631 permanently paralyzed by a car accident 3218 02:36:58,631 --> 02:36:59,745 the previous year. 3219 02:37:00,753 --> 02:37:03,601 So successful was this tour that the reconstituted 3220 02:37:03,601 --> 02:37:05,628 Skynyrd decided to remain together. 3221 02:37:05,628 --> 02:37:07,804 Although this has proven controversial 3222 02:37:07,804 --> 02:37:10,299 they have endured to the present day. 3223 02:37:10,299 --> 02:37:12,315 Albeit not with only one original member 3224 02:37:12,315 --> 02:37:13,899 guitarist Gary Rossington. 3225 02:37:15,014 --> 02:37:16,816 Yet despite releasing new material 3226 02:37:16,816 --> 02:37:18,896 and drawing large crowds to their shows 3227 02:37:18,896 --> 02:37:21,051 they have been dismissed by many as simply 3228 02:37:21,051 --> 02:37:22,384 a tribute band. 3229 02:37:22,384 --> 02:37:24,357 Ronnie Van Zant proving irreplaceable 3230 02:37:24,357 --> 02:37:26,586 even by his own brother. 3231 02:37:26,586 --> 02:37:27,472 - They suck. 3232 02:37:27,472 --> 02:37:28,351 Ithink they're awful. 3233 02:37:29,242 --> 02:37:31,743 I take a great interest in how bad they are. 3234 02:37:31,743 --> 02:37:34,261 I take a great interest in their Yahoo, right wing, 3235 02:37:34,261 --> 02:37:36,175 Fox News bullshit. 3236 02:37:37,066 --> 02:37:40,628 Lynyrd Skynyrd died with Ronnie Van Zant period 3237 02:37:40,628 --> 02:37:43,081 Is it possible for a reunion band with somebody 3238 02:37:43,081 --> 02:37:46,473 doing a Ronnie Van Zant imitation singing his songs 3239 02:37:46,473 --> 02:37:48,276 do a decent concert? 3240 02:37:48,276 --> 02:37:49,112 I suppose. 3241 02:37:50,153 --> 02:37:53,342 I'd rather listen to the records. 3242 02:37:53,342 --> 02:37:58,342 - They could never regroup that success without him. 3243 02:37:59,176 --> 02:38:03,091 He was the key factor to that band. 3244 02:38:03,091 --> 02:38:05,021 He wrote all the songs. 3245 02:38:05,021 --> 02:38:06,765 It'd take the authorship away 3246 02:38:07,667 --> 02:38:10,376 and it's something else entirely. 3247 02:38:10,376 --> 02:38:13,132 But you can make a lot of money. 3248 02:38:15,346 --> 02:38:17,415 And that's what they do. 3249 02:38:17,415 --> 02:38:22,415 ♪ I like a little bit of homegrown ♪ 3250 02:38:22,492 --> 02:38:26,513 ♪ She gets me stoned ♪ 3251 02:38:26,513 --> 02:38:29,936 ♪ Oh in her short dress - yeah I'm a mess ♪ 3252 02:38:29,936 --> 02:38:34,288 ♪ I like to get her all alone ♪ 3253 02:38:34,288 --> 02:38:38,299 ♪ She really turns me on ♪ 3254 02:38:38,299 --> 02:38:43,173 ♪ Yeah in her barefeet - sippin' sweet tea ♪ 3255 02:38:43,173 --> 02:38:48,015 ♪ A little Homegrown ♪ 3256 02:38:48,015 --> 02:38:49,967 ♪ A little Homegrown ♪ 3257 02:38:49,967 --> 02:38:52,751 - They are acutely aware of what kind 3258 02:38:52,751 --> 02:38:54,618 of dedicated fans they have. 3259 02:38:54,618 --> 02:38:56,623 They're very thankful for it 3260 02:38:56,623 --> 02:38:58,532 and don't from what I can see 3261 02:38:58,532 --> 02:39:00,307 they don't take it for granted one bit. 3262 02:39:01,156 --> 02:39:03,283 And when I've seen them in recent times 3263 02:39:04,132 --> 02:39:07,897 they go out there and want to give people 3264 02:39:07,897 --> 02:39:10,275 the best possible show. 3265 02:39:10,275 --> 02:39:12,440 We are gonna come out here and we are gonna rock 3266 02:39:12,440 --> 02:39:14,088 the crap out of this place. 3267 02:39:14,926 --> 02:39:16,643 And they do. 3268 02:39:16,643 --> 02:39:17,827 They do the whole thing. 3269 02:39:17,827 --> 02:39:18,957 They do the steps, 3270 02:39:18,957 --> 02:39:21,315 They all get together and they do the guitar moves 3271 02:39:21,315 --> 02:39:25,730 and they do the whole show and they are more than happy 3272 02:39:25,730 --> 02:39:28,962 to deliver that to the fans. 3273 02:39:28,962 --> 02:39:31,949 They want to put on a great show every night. 3274 02:39:31,949 --> 02:39:33,372 It's really important to them. 3275 02:39:34,796 --> 02:39:37,367 - [Voiceover] Despite the polarized opinion regarding 3276 02:39:37,367 --> 02:39:39,068 the second incarnation of the band and the various 3277 02:39:39,068 --> 02:39:41,521 private and public disputes that have since occured 3278 02:39:41,521 --> 02:39:43,751 among the survivors of the '77 crash. 3279 02:39:43,751 --> 02:39:47,153 The legacy of the first era of Lynyrd Skynyrd has remained 3280 02:39:47,153 --> 02:39:50,470 untarnished and although a wholly accurate account 3281 02:39:50,470 --> 02:39:53,681 of their years together for the mid '60s until the late '70s 3282 02:39:53,681 --> 02:39:56,923 will now never emerge due to the conflicting testimonies 3283 02:39:56,923 --> 02:39:58,672 of those who lived through it. 3284 02:39:58,672 --> 02:40:01,766 The music the band produced continues to find new listeners 3285 02:40:01,766 --> 02:40:05,360 and inspire a new generation of musicians and their departed 3286 02:40:05,360 --> 02:40:09,434 driving force, Ronnie Van Zant remains a remarkably singular 3287 02:40:09,434 --> 02:40:11,546 talent in the history of rock music. 3288 02:40:11,546 --> 02:40:14,906 His rugged no nonsense appeal still influential nearly 3289 02:40:14,906 --> 02:40:17,257 40 years after his tragic death. 3290 02:40:19,695 --> 02:40:22,863 - Ronnie Van Zant was a very unique front man. 3291 02:40:22,863 --> 02:40:27,257 He was incredibly dynamic without doing too much. 3292 02:40:27,257 --> 02:40:30,084 He basically walked around usually without shoes on. 3293 02:40:30,084 --> 02:40:32,921 Held his microphone in the air. 3294 02:40:32,921 --> 02:40:35,971 He was a commanding presence. 3295 02:40:35,971 --> 02:40:39,662 That element of being a lead singer and front man 3296 02:40:39,662 --> 02:40:42,947 is hard for anyone to copy and emulate 3297 02:40:42,947 --> 02:40:45,869 because it had to come from within. 3298 02:40:45,869 --> 02:40:48,835 I think as a singer Ronnie Van Zant has been 3299 02:40:48,835 --> 02:40:52,173 very influential especially on country artists 3300 02:40:52,173 --> 02:40:55,405 Country music has become more and more rocked up 3301 02:40:55,405 --> 02:40:58,455 and what we would have thought of in the mid '70s 3302 02:40:58,455 --> 02:41:01,452 as country-tinged rock has become rock-tinged 3303 02:41:01,452 --> 02:41:04,460 country and I think Ronnie Van Zant's influence 3304 02:41:04,460 --> 02:41:08,833 on Eric Church, Jason Alldeen and a whole generation 3305 02:41:08,833 --> 02:41:13,526 really of country singers is profound both vocally, 3306 02:41:13,526 --> 02:41:16,634 musically and in terms of stage presence and swagger. 3307 02:41:17,974 --> 02:41:20,672 - When music is new and it's fresh and you capture that 3308 02:41:20,672 --> 02:41:24,213 on record it's always gonna sound new and fresh. 3309 02:41:24,213 --> 02:41:27,877 Forever it will and it will probably be like the cliche 3310 02:41:27,877 --> 02:41:30,608 about fine wine, it gets better over time. 3311 02:41:30,608 --> 02:41:32,762 If it wasn't great music we wouldn't be talking about it. 3312 02:41:32,762 --> 02:41:37,762 They found a way to be a distinctive band 3313 02:41:38,127 --> 02:41:41,722 that has great music that people are gonna remember 3314 02:41:41,722 --> 02:41:43,908 those great songs forever. 3315 02:41:43,908 --> 02:41:45,327 - I don't think they'll ever be another 3316 02:41:45,327 --> 02:41:47,609 like Ronnie Van Zant in my opinion. 3317 02:41:47,609 --> 02:41:50,355 Man, everything that comes out of his mouth is meaningful. 3318 02:41:51,321 --> 02:41:53,465 You could tell he was telling about his life. 3319 02:41:53,465 --> 02:41:56,734 Everybody asks me what was Ronnie, what was he like? 3320 02:41:56,734 --> 02:41:59,752 I say, "You just take any six songs that Ronnie's written 3321 02:41:59,752 --> 02:42:02,743 "any six, you pick them, any six, that's him. 3322 02:42:03,602 --> 02:42:04,674 "That's his story." 3323 02:42:16,015 --> 02:42:17,908 (slow guitar music)266550

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