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♪♪
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amy: I see something hissing
and growling.
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There is a skinwalker here.
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Nothing can prepare you for
what is going on in my house.
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They did find a body.
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He's decomposing.
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This guy got away
with murder, as well.
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Yes.
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It would kill you and eat you.
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Bring it on.
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Amy: It makes you think
you're going insane.
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I'm hearing
the devil's triangle.
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My name is amy allan.
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I see dead people.
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I think he might've
been a stalker.
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I speak to dead people.
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And they speak to me.
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He will kill you.
He has killed people.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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They're being possessed.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm steve dischiavi.
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I'm a retired new york city
homicide detective.
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How many people died here
over the years?
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And I know every person,
every house, has secrets.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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But steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...Until the very end...
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This sketch is like a nightmare.
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...When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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[ crying ]
I never thought
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that the biggest problem was me.
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...Or time to get out.
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He could, more than likely,
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kill you.
- [ crying ]
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[ ominous chord strikes ]
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[ ghostly whispers ]
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♪♪
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so I'm back out here
in tucson, arizona,
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and it's a beautiful
desert city.
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I'm driving over
to meet a guy named nick.
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Now, nick's a retired cop
like me,
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not the kind of guy
who scares easy,
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but he says what's
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going on in his house is insane.
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He thinks everyone's in danger,
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especially
his nine-year-old son.
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He point blank asked me
cop the cop to help protect
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his family,
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so I hope we can help him out.
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♪♪
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amy: Oh, man.
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I see something, like,
hissing and growling,
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and then I hear skinwalker.
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I'm able to somehow see it
in the dark clearly.
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I see it running,
and I'm thinking,
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"what is it running from?"
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which is a terrifying thought.
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Steve: So, nick, when you and I
spoke on the phone,
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it sounded like you
and the family are at
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your breaking point.
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What's it like here?
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I have been in four different
shootouts, and I've been in
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sketchy situations as a cop,
- right.
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And nothing on the street can
prepare you for what
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is going on in my house.
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I've been in some
shootings myself,
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so you telling me that tells
me a lot of how bad it's got
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to be here for you guys.
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Let's get some of the basics.
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Now, how long
have you lived here?
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Um, a little over
two and 1/2 years.
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Okay, did the previous owners
tell you anything?
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Um, no.
However, my wife's aunt used
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to own the house
for over 35 years.
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All right, so who all
lives in the house now?
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Here's a picture.
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That's my wife, desiree.
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That's my oldest son, brennan,
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he's 15 --
my oldest daughter, natalie,
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she's 17 -- my youngest
daughter, trinity,
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she's 13 --
and that's young connor.
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- He's nine.
- Okay, so now you mentioned
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connor on the phone, um,
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that he was the one you were
most concerned about.
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Yes, I think he's
being possessed.
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He wakes up crying,
and when I go into his room,
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he's sitting up in his bed
staring into his closet,
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and I have asked him,
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I said, "what --
what is in here?
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Why -- what are you
talking to?"
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and he says, "I can't tell you.
It'll kill me."
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any indication he's being hurt?
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He has been scratched.
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Okay.
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- Ooh, okay.
- It kills me to see something
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attacking my son -- comes to
the point to where I just --
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sometimes, you just feel like
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setting the whole damn
house on fire.
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How about the rest of you?
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What are you guys experiencing?
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So there's objects that are
being moved around the house.
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We see shadow people,
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apparitions,
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physical attacks,
and something's mimicking other
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family members in the house.
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- Their voices?
- Their voices.
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I mean, your family
obviously means a lot to you.
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They're in my world.
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They're my world, and I can't --
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I can't see them
go through this anymore.
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Amy: I do believe there is
a skinwalker here.
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So what exactly is this thing?
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It's a deceased native american
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who was, and is, a witch.
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How is this skinwalker
affecting the living?
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It's imitating and taking on
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the forms of the living here,
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family members.
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It makes you think you're
going insane.
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- Is it dangerous?
- Amy: Yeah.
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It could take over people, uh,
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if it wanted to.
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And what would happen if it
did take somebody over?
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Well, it's a type of,
you know, possession.
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Steve: So what's
going on in here?
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Well, in here, I've felt
two large hands
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push me off the step.
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Steve:
You sure you didn't trip?
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I'm sure, because it was
right before I got
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to the step to step down.
- Huh, that's a little freaky.
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And I'm a big guy,
so if it can happen to me,
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that's a lot of power --
it can happen...
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- Right.
...To one of my other kids.
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I mean, you were a cop.
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If somebody just told you that,
what would you...?
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I'd think they're **** crazy.
- Right.
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Okay, so anything else?
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I've actually woken up
with bruises on my body.
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I thought it might be from
me bumping into something,
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but it's on a place on my body
that I can't bump into,
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like on my sternum.
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You havin' any health issues?
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No.
No health issues at all.
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- Anything else?
- I've seen probably around
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10 different types of
shadow figures myself.
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Sometimes it'll be a group,
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and sometimes it's just
like a parade.
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One of them has
a wide-brim hat on.
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You got a problem here.
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Amy: I see dead people.
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There's a group of them
down there.
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They seem agitated.
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So there's something happening
with the dead folks,
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and I guess they're not
good people.
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And...
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They are coming here.
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They're all men,
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criminals or something.
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So people here are seeing
these dead men.
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I'm seeing them
as shadow people,
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and I'm just seeing them
like, literally,
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like walking across the room.
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These men come in here at night
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and, like, just... Watch.
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I don't think that these men
are particularly
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stable mentally,
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but they're just kind of
torturing them,
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but that's fun.
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After talking with nick,
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I want to see what
his kids have to say.
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So I've seen, like,
a lot of, like,
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black apparitions, especially,
like, right here in the hallway.
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How big are we talking?
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I would say as tall as, like,
an average-sized person.
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Steve: All of them are having
bad experiences.
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I've heard voices.
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It sounds like my mom and dad,
like, saying my name.
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So what do the voices say?
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Just call you out --
your name, or...?
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They say, "trinity come here."
or "trin!"
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steve: But what's got me
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really concerned are
the physical attacks.
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I've woken up to, uh, scratches
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on my stomach area.
- Okay.
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- This is your stomach?
- Yes.
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So, brennan, you sleep here
with connor, correct?
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- Yes.
- Now everybody seems to think
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that he's being picked on
by the paranormal here.
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Do you agree with that?
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Yeah, I know something's,
you know, trying to hurt him,
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and like,
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it hurts me knowing that.
- Right, yeah.
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- You're his big brother.
- Yeah, I can't do nothing.
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So, connor,
everybody's worried about you.
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Do you want to leave?
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- Yes. I don't like it here.
- Okay.
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I remember seeing
a shadow in the closet.
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I just always felt
nervous about that closet.
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Well, what if we could
figure out a way to fix
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all the bad things
that are going on?
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I would stay if you fix this,
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but if you don't,
we're gonna have to move.
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What do you think is
going on in this place?
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- I don't know.
- Okay.
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But I know whatever
it is, it's bad.
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All right.
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Amy: These shadow-looking
criminal guys
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like this room.
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They're coming in
and out of the closet.
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Hmm, that's not cool.
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These guys are getting
physical with kids.
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What are they doing?
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Shoving...
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Like, nudging.
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They like when the children cry.
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They're, like, hurting
these kids, like,
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I feel like
they're hurting them.
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Oh, this is upsetting.
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[ ghostly whispers ]
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[ ghostly whispers ]
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[ birds chirping ]
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♪♪
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- I was talking to your husband.
- Yeah.
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Obviously, you guys got
a lot going on here.
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He thinks it's dangerous.
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I mean, what's
your thoughts on that?
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I definitely think it's
become increasingly dangerous.
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I'm really worried about connor.
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Whatever is in the house,
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it seems to be
concentrating on him.
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It's gotta be hard
for a mom to see that.
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It is very hard.
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Okay.
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The emotional trauma
it's causing him,
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he shouldn't have to go
through that.
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Now, as far as experiences,
have you had any?
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- Yes.
- Okay.
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I hear male voices.
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Did it sound like
anybody you knew?
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- No. No.
- Okay.
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He kept telling me,
"you need to help me.
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I want you to help me."
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and he wanted me to go to
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the police department
and tell them he was dead.
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His body was in the wash.
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What does that mean here,
in the wash?
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Behind our house
is the pantano wash
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where water will flow
when we have monsoons.
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Okay, did anything
ever come of it
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that you know of?
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Well, six months later,
they did find a body
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in the wash.
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Was it a male?
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Yeah, it was a male.
257
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Well, I don't know if
there's any connection
258
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between what you heard
and what happened,
259
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but I'll look into it anyway
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and see what we come up with.
- Okay.
261
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- Anything else?
- Everybody in the house
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has just been -- their moods
have slowly declined
263
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from extremely happy-go-lucky
264
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to depressed, angry.
265
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So you guys have been here
kind of a short time.
266
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Did you have any of
these emotional problems
267
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as far as mood swings
and stuff...
268
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Before you got here?
- No, I mean,
269
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all families bicker on and off,
- right.
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But not to level
that it's at now.
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Amy: So there's a woman here
who's crying lot.
272
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She's probably in her fifties.
273
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The living here are having
experiences with her.
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I think she's an empath,
275
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but some empaths who don't
function quite right
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can put
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their emotions very,
very physically
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onto another person.
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They would feel the guilt,
the weight of the guilt,
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and it's affecting,
like, their stomach,
281
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feeling that knot and that rock,
282
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um,
283
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and the heavy heart.
284
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So desiree,
when I was talking to nick,
285
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he was telling me that
your aunt lived here?
286
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Yeah, my aunt purchased the home
in the early '70s,
287
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and my grandmother
moved over from europe.
288
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My aunt is on the top, and
my grandmother is on the bottom.
289
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That picture was actually taken
290
00:13:08,843 --> 00:13:10,409
for my grandmother's
100th birthday.
291
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- She was 100?
- She was 100.
292
00:13:12,548 --> 00:13:14,481
All right, so what can you
tell me about your aunt?
293
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She was very maternal.
294
00:13:16,352 --> 00:13:19,253
She taught me how to cook.
She taught me how to sew.
295
00:13:19,356 --> 00:13:21,056
She taught me how to be a mom.
296
00:13:22,059 --> 00:13:24,894
Okay,
and what about your grandma?
297
00:13:24,963 --> 00:13:27,731
She was such a spitfire.
298
00:13:27,833 --> 00:13:30,167
She stood about four foot 11.
299
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She would light up the room
with her jokes and her stories.
300
00:13:34,675 --> 00:13:37,377
- Okay, who died first?
- My grandmother.
301
00:13:37,479 --> 00:13:39,579
She slipped and fell
in the shower.
302
00:13:39,681 --> 00:13:41,615
That must have been tough
for you and your aunt.
303
00:13:41,717 --> 00:13:43,584
Yeah, after my grandmother
passed, yeah.
304
00:13:43,686 --> 00:13:45,652
Her and I had a falling out.
305
00:13:45,756 --> 00:13:47,322
Why?
306
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Because I...
307
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Think that she had something
308
00:13:50,461 --> 00:13:52,595
to do with
my grandmother's accident.
309
00:13:53,698 --> 00:13:54,798
I think that...
310
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My aunt...
311
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Might have inadvertently
pushed her.
312
00:14:01,274 --> 00:14:03,575
She was frustrated of
being her caretaker.
313
00:14:03,677 --> 00:14:05,511
So did you confront
your aunt on this?
314
00:14:05,613 --> 00:14:07,881
I did -- her and I
had a conversation
315
00:14:08,984 --> 00:14:10,817
before she passed.
316
00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,087
The first thing she said to me
317
00:14:13,189 --> 00:14:16,291
was, "I didn't do it
on purpose."
318
00:14:16,393 --> 00:14:18,460
do you think either one
of them are here?
319
00:14:18,562 --> 00:14:19,729
I would like to think
they're not.
320
00:14:22,967 --> 00:14:24,635
The crying woman,
321
00:14:24,737 --> 00:14:28,106
she's very tiny --
kind of curly black hair.
322
00:14:28,208 --> 00:14:29,407
She's recent.
323
00:14:29,509 --> 00:14:32,311
Are you even dead?
324
00:14:32,413 --> 00:14:36,883
I would say, uh, within
the last 10 years,
325
00:14:36,985 --> 00:14:40,922
and she's not indicating to me
how she died.
326
00:14:41,024 --> 00:14:45,727
You know, there's this guilt
and the sadness from this guilt.
327
00:14:49,701 --> 00:14:52,669
She feels like she
328
00:14:52,771 --> 00:14:56,807
put people into
a very bad situation.
329
00:15:01,850 --> 00:15:03,483
Steve: So what's going on
in here?
330
00:15:03,585 --> 00:15:06,954
When I'm in bed, um,
I've been scratched.
331
00:15:08,891 --> 00:15:10,058
Okay, so this is your arm?
332
00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,726
- Yes.
- Could it have been the dog?
333
00:15:11,828 --> 00:15:13,228
No, there's no way.
334
00:15:13,330 --> 00:15:15,364
She stays at the very
bottom of bed.
335
00:15:15,433 --> 00:15:16,332
Anything else like that?
336
00:15:16,434 --> 00:15:20,837
One night, I woke up to this
337
00:15:20,939 --> 00:15:22,907
on my right foot.
338
00:15:24,844 --> 00:15:26,545
This is very strange.
339
00:15:26,647 --> 00:15:29,448
You guys sleep with
a heating blanket or anything?
340
00:15:29,550 --> 00:15:31,417
- No.
- This is crazy.
341
00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:32,685
It's very crazy.
342
00:15:32,787 --> 00:15:35,623
- Anything else?
- We'll get thumps --
343
00:15:35,725 --> 00:15:39,728
thumping, tapping on the window
and on the walls, as well.
344
00:15:39,830 --> 00:15:41,696
What's the tapping
on the wall sound like?
345
00:15:43,668 --> 00:15:44,634
[ knocks twice on wall ]
346
00:15:44,736 --> 00:15:46,202
how about the window?
What's it sound like?
347
00:15:47,873 --> 00:15:50,174
[ taps four times on window ]
348
00:15:50,276 --> 00:15:52,110
what do you think it wants?
349
00:15:53,980 --> 00:15:57,049
It wants to hurt us,
and I don't know why.
350
00:16:00,289 --> 00:16:01,588
Amy: I don't like
the bed there.
351
00:16:04,694 --> 00:16:07,295
Something is trying to get in
from outside.
352
00:16:07,397 --> 00:16:11,633
This thing is sticking
its head and arms
353
00:16:11,735 --> 00:16:12,936
through the window
354
00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:18,142
and, like, trying to pull
this person
355
00:16:18,244 --> 00:16:19,677
out the **** window.
356
00:16:21,181 --> 00:16:23,014
It wants to take this person.
357
00:16:23,116 --> 00:16:26,219
That thing --
that's a **** problem.
358
00:16:26,321 --> 00:16:28,654
- What is it?
- It's a wendigo.
359
00:16:29,925 --> 00:16:31,959
I'm very confused,
360
00:16:32,061 --> 00:16:34,062
uh, by it
361
00:16:34,164 --> 00:16:35,496
even being here.
362
00:16:35,599 --> 00:16:37,198
Why are you confused about that?
363
00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:40,069
Because they are more northern.
364
00:16:40,171 --> 00:16:42,405
Like, nova scotia has wendigos,
365
00:16:42,507 --> 00:16:48,145
and it's a, like,
supernatural entity.
366
00:16:48,248 --> 00:16:49,914
They can look different ways,
367
00:16:50,016 --> 00:16:52,618
but usually it's like
an animal-man thing.
368
00:16:54,823 --> 00:16:55,955
Do you have any idea
what would happen
369
00:16:56,057 --> 00:16:58,124
if it managed to get
this person out?
370
00:16:58,226 --> 00:17:00,127
That would not be good.
371
00:17:00,229 --> 00:17:02,096
It usually kills them
372
00:17:02,198 --> 00:17:04,933
and, if I'm honest,
I think it eats them.
373
00:17:05,035 --> 00:17:09,305
♪♪
374
00:17:09,407 --> 00:17:11,541
[ ghostly whispers ]
375
00:17:15,147 --> 00:17:17,715
[ ghostly whispers ]
376
00:17:21,889 --> 00:17:23,088
steve: Look,
if you pick up a dart,
377
00:17:23,190 --> 00:17:25,058
put a blindfold on,
and throw it at
378
00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,327
a map of the u.S.,
chances are
379
00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:29,664
you're gonna land on some
native american history.
380
00:17:29,766 --> 00:17:32,200
So when a local historian
called and wanted to tell me
381
00:17:32,303 --> 00:17:34,469
about the local yaqui tribe,
382
00:17:34,571 --> 00:17:37,807
I wasn't into it, until she
said, "this story is different."
383
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:39,509
in this case,
the american government
384
00:17:39,611 --> 00:17:41,078
actually tried to help
the tribe out.
385
00:17:49,223 --> 00:17:52,525
So, bridgette, I appreciate you
helping me out with this case.
386
00:17:52,627 --> 00:17:55,195
The yaqui indians --
what's the story with them?
387
00:17:55,297 --> 00:17:56,596
The pascua yaqui indians
388
00:17:56,699 --> 00:17:58,566
are indigenous
to the tucson area
389
00:17:58,668 --> 00:17:59,901
and northern mexico.
390
00:18:00,970 --> 00:18:02,638
This tribe, what kind of
people were they?
391
00:18:02,740 --> 00:18:04,139
They were very spiritual people.
392
00:18:04,241 --> 00:18:07,744
They believed the universe is
on a lot of different planes.
393
00:18:07,846 --> 00:18:11,215
- Okay. -And they also
believed that you were
394
00:18:11,317 --> 00:18:13,984
susceptible to witchcraft if
you were weak in spirit.
395
00:18:14,087 --> 00:18:15,854
All right, so most of
the native american tribes
396
00:18:15,956 --> 00:18:17,222
I've researched
are pretty violent.
397
00:18:17,324 --> 00:18:18,358
What about these guys?
398
00:18:18,460 --> 00:18:20,093
They were very territorial.
399
00:18:20,195 --> 00:18:21,594
Their land was very sacred
to them,
400
00:18:21,696 --> 00:18:24,131
and they would fight to the
death to keep it in their hands.
401
00:18:24,233 --> 00:18:26,166
So, bridgette, on the phone,
you mentioned that the american
402
00:18:26,268 --> 00:18:28,303
government actually
helped this tribe, I mean,
403
00:18:28,405 --> 00:18:29,871
you don't hear about that
too often -- what happened?
404
00:18:29,973 --> 00:18:33,776
Well, in 1810, mexico actually
seceded from the spanish,
405
00:18:33,878 --> 00:18:36,079
- okay.
- And they quickly demanded
406
00:18:36,181 --> 00:18:37,681
that the yaqui pay taxes.
407
00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:40,218
The yaqui completely
refused to do that.
408
00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,186
- Okay.
- And the mexican government
409
00:18:42,288 --> 00:18:45,591
just caused battle over battle
and just overwhelmed the yaqui.
410
00:18:45,693 --> 00:18:48,361
They killed them.
They captured them.
411
00:18:48,463 --> 00:18:50,764
They took away their land,
and they even sold them
412
00:18:50,866 --> 00:18:51,731
into slavery.
413
00:18:51,834 --> 00:18:53,901
So how's the american government
help out?
414
00:18:54,003 --> 00:18:55,970
Well, the yaqui fled
to the united states.
415
00:18:56,073 --> 00:18:58,807
- Okay.
- And so in the 1960s,
416
00:18:58,909 --> 00:19:01,511
the american government granted
them a lot of land
417
00:19:01,613 --> 00:19:02,678
south of tucson.
418
00:19:02,781 --> 00:19:04,615
Well, it's finally nice
to hear a good story
419
00:19:04,717 --> 00:19:06,250
when it comes to
native americans
420
00:19:06,352 --> 00:19:07,484
and the american government.
421
00:19:07,586 --> 00:19:08,519
It is.
It's nice.
422
00:19:12,225 --> 00:19:15,528
There's just an enormous
amount of land.
423
00:19:17,232 --> 00:19:19,533
And there are native americans.
424
00:19:19,635 --> 00:19:21,636
They are here, and...
425
00:19:21,738 --> 00:19:24,806
They're indicating
that this is extremely,
426
00:19:24,908 --> 00:19:26,642
extremely sacred land.
427
00:19:27,912 --> 00:19:30,480
That skinwalker
walks through it all,
428
00:19:30,582 --> 00:19:32,582
because it belongs to it.
429
00:19:32,684 --> 00:19:35,820
It was here first,
essentially, this skinwalker.
430
00:19:35,922 --> 00:19:37,354
Do you know what it wants?
431
00:19:37,457 --> 00:19:40,992
It's just doing what it does.
432
00:19:41,094 --> 00:19:44,397
I know that it's not
only at this house.
433
00:19:44,499 --> 00:19:47,201
It's all over a very wide area.
434
00:19:48,704 --> 00:19:50,471
Steve: So desiree told me
a male body
435
00:19:50,574 --> 00:19:52,607
turned up in the wash
right near her house.
436
00:19:52,709 --> 00:19:55,845
Now, clients get this kind of
stuff wrong all the time,
437
00:19:55,947 --> 00:19:58,214
but I had a local pi
look into it for me.
438
00:19:58,316 --> 00:20:00,183
Turns out, desiree was right.
439
00:20:00,285 --> 00:20:02,586
In fact, a whole bunch of
bodies have turned up there.
440
00:20:07,962 --> 00:20:09,294
So amy, I appreciate you
meeting with me
441
00:20:09,396 --> 00:20:11,129
and helpin' me out with my case.
442
00:20:11,232 --> 00:20:14,267
You had mentioned a lot of
bodies show up in this wash,
443
00:20:14,369 --> 00:20:15,568
but one stood out in particular.
444
00:20:15,670 --> 00:20:17,505
- Which one was it?
- His name was carl martin.
445
00:20:17,607 --> 00:20:19,440
Okay, so when did they find him?
446
00:20:19,542 --> 00:20:21,810
They found him in July of 1986.
447
00:20:21,912 --> 00:20:25,848
The body was located 3,500 feet
from your clients' residence.
448
00:20:25,950 --> 00:20:28,285
It was in this wash that runs
449
00:20:28,387 --> 00:20:31,255
all the way down to
your clients' property.
450
00:20:31,357 --> 00:20:33,358
Steve: Okay, so this guy is less
than a mile from my clients' house.
451
00:20:33,460 --> 00:20:34,425
- Amy urman: Yes.
- All right.
452
00:20:34,528 --> 00:20:36,427
So July '86, this is tucson.
453
00:20:36,530 --> 00:20:37,663
What kind of shape
was the body in?
454
00:20:37,765 --> 00:20:39,265
It was badly decomposed.
455
00:20:39,367 --> 00:20:40,633
It was wrapped in sheets.
456
00:20:40,735 --> 00:20:42,569
There was plastic over the head,
457
00:20:42,671 --> 00:20:43,803
and I don't know if you can
458
00:20:43,906 --> 00:20:46,240
even imagine the stench
that was coming from the body.
459
00:20:46,342 --> 00:20:47,575
I was a cop a long time.
460
00:20:47,677 --> 00:20:50,546
Trust me, I can exactly
tell you how it smelled.
461
00:20:50,648 --> 00:20:51,980
What's the story with this guy?
462
00:20:52,082 --> 00:20:55,718
Well, carl martin had been in
prison for forging checks,
463
00:20:55,820 --> 00:20:57,655
and he was on parole at the time.
- Okay.
464
00:20:57,757 --> 00:20:59,189
But he was also
under surveillance
465
00:20:59,292 --> 00:21:01,492
by the police department,
because he owned
466
00:21:01,594 --> 00:21:03,295
a automobile shop,
and they thought that
467
00:21:03,397 --> 00:21:05,030
he was running
what they believed
468
00:21:05,132 --> 00:21:06,299
to be a chop shop.
469
00:21:06,401 --> 00:21:10,002
By March of 1986, it ends up
that he stops coming to
470
00:21:10,104 --> 00:21:12,239
the shop,
and shortly after that,
471
00:21:12,341 --> 00:21:14,742
his wife, martha,
reports him missing.
472
00:21:14,844 --> 00:21:17,011
All right, so now the wife
reports him missing.
473
00:21:17,113 --> 00:21:19,982
His body shows up
in July of '86.
474
00:21:20,084 --> 00:21:21,650
How'd they find out the body
was there?
475
00:21:21,752 --> 00:21:23,887
Well, they got a tip,
and their tip was to
476
00:21:23,989 --> 00:21:26,323
talk to a gentleman by
the name of richard hale.
477
00:21:26,425 --> 00:21:27,425
And who's richard hale?
478
00:21:27,527 --> 00:21:29,493
He was a friend
and a co-worker of our victim.
479
00:21:29,596 --> 00:21:31,530
All right, so I gotta assume
the cops picked this guy up.
480
00:21:31,632 --> 00:21:32,764
What does he tell them?
481
00:21:32,866 --> 00:21:35,602
Well, he tells them that
martha was having an affair
482
00:21:35,704 --> 00:21:38,037
with their roommate,
ronald gomes.
483
00:21:38,139 --> 00:21:39,873
Okay, so now we got
484
00:21:39,976 --> 00:21:41,208
a husband and wife
living with a guy,
485
00:21:41,277 --> 00:21:42,476
and the guy that's
living with them,
486
00:21:42,578 --> 00:21:44,946
this ronald gomes, is having
an affair with martha.
487
00:21:45,048 --> 00:21:46,648
- Correct.
- Okay, does he tell them
488
00:21:46,750 --> 00:21:48,017
anything else?
- Yes.
489
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,686
He says that the three of
them believed that they were
490
00:21:50,788 --> 00:21:53,690
being cheated out of some of
the profits from the chop shop.
491
00:21:53,792 --> 00:21:55,692
So now we got motive.
What do they do about it?
492
00:21:55,761 --> 00:21:57,862
Well, March 12, 1986,
493
00:21:57,964 --> 00:22:01,166
hale takes a 25-caliber gun,
goes to the bedroom,
494
00:22:01,268 --> 00:22:02,868
and shoots him
while he's sleeping.
495
00:22:02,970 --> 00:22:04,704
All right,
so he shoots him once.
496
00:22:04,806 --> 00:22:07,474
- Is he dead?
- No, no, he's not dead.
497
00:22:07,576 --> 00:22:10,111
So what happens next
is gomes goes in
498
00:22:10,213 --> 00:22:12,246
and empties the gun
into the body.
499
00:22:12,348 --> 00:22:14,850
- Okay.
- Then he takes a sledgehammer,
500
00:22:14,952 --> 00:22:16,785
and he hits him in the head
a couple times.
501
00:22:16,887 --> 00:22:20,456
- Okay. -Gomes then
strangles him until he dies.
502
00:22:20,558 --> 00:22:22,092
So what happens
to hale with all this?
503
00:22:22,194 --> 00:22:24,161
Well hale cuts a plea agreement,
504
00:22:24,263 --> 00:22:26,064
and he ends up serving 15 years.
505
00:22:26,166 --> 00:22:27,499
All right,
what about the wife, martha?
506
00:22:27,601 --> 00:22:30,069
Martha got life,
but she was out on parole
507
00:22:30,171 --> 00:22:31,270
in 1998.
508
00:22:31,372 --> 00:22:32,805
All right, so what about
the roommate, gomes?
509
00:22:32,907 --> 00:22:35,142
He had two mistrials,
and the prosecutors
510
00:22:35,244 --> 00:22:37,010
decided not to try him
a third time.
511
00:22:37,112 --> 00:22:39,313
You weren't kidding when you
said this was a crazy story.
512
00:22:43,087 --> 00:22:47,657
I see a male with
a wound in his head,
513
00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:50,293
and I see damage
around his neck.
514
00:22:50,395 --> 00:22:52,329
He's decomposing.
515
00:22:52,432 --> 00:22:56,501
He has ashy --
weird, ashy-colored skin.
516
00:22:56,603 --> 00:22:59,004
Uh, and he's trapped
in his body.
517
00:22:59,106 --> 00:23:04,445
He indicated that he's not
the issue here.
518
00:23:04,547 --> 00:23:05,479
It's the monster.
519
00:23:10,187 --> 00:23:12,755
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00:23:13,758 --> 00:23:16,326
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523
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524
00:23:25,005 --> 00:23:25,904
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525
00:23:29,144 --> 00:23:31,211
[ ghostly whispers ]
526
00:23:34,083 --> 00:23:35,783
steve: So far, I have
a family terrified
527
00:23:35,885 --> 00:23:38,220
something in their house
is trying to kill them
528
00:23:38,322 --> 00:23:40,655
on a property where
a decomposing body was found
529
00:23:40,758 --> 00:23:42,425
in a nearby wash.
530
00:23:42,527 --> 00:23:43,926
But I want to see
if there's anything else.
531
00:23:46,832 --> 00:23:49,734
Searching through old records,
I find a deadly plane crash.
532
00:23:49,836 --> 00:23:52,937
Turns out, the pilot used to
rent nick and desiree's house.
533
00:23:55,176 --> 00:23:56,142
I'm on my way to meet
534
00:23:56,244 --> 00:23:58,779
a local journalist who's
helped me out before,
535
00:23:58,881 --> 00:24:01,348
and he says the crash remains
a mystery to this day.
536
00:24:01,450 --> 00:24:10,159
♪♪
537
00:24:10,261 --> 00:24:11,427
well, dave, it's good
to see you again.
538
00:24:11,530 --> 00:24:12,662
I appreciate you helping me out.
539
00:24:12,764 --> 00:24:14,832
So the guy that dies
in this plane crash,
540
00:24:14,934 --> 00:24:16,433
what do we know about this guy?
541
00:24:16,536 --> 00:24:17,768
Well, his name was norman hurst,
542
00:24:17,870 --> 00:24:19,104
and he was born in new jersey.
543
00:24:19,206 --> 00:24:21,640
He went on to attend
a prestigious boarding school,
544
00:24:21,742 --> 00:24:23,910
attended virginia tech, and
ultimately ended up
545
00:24:23,978 --> 00:24:25,211
in the u.S. Air force.
546
00:24:25,313 --> 00:24:27,079
I just happen to have
a picture of him here.
547
00:24:28,684 --> 00:24:29,783
All right, so dave,
548
00:24:29,885 --> 00:24:31,853
I got to assume this is where
he learned how to fly.
549
00:24:31,955 --> 00:24:34,656
That's correct, and he was
a phenomenal pilot.
550
00:24:34,758 --> 00:24:38,494
During the vietnam war,
he flew 228 missions,
551
00:24:38,596 --> 00:24:42,165
90 of them over enemy
territory in north vietnam.
552
00:24:42,267 --> 00:24:44,202
He was so good that he even
553
00:24:44,304 --> 00:24:47,438
earned the distinguished
flying cross for his service.
554
00:24:47,540 --> 00:24:48,740
Okay, so he's gotta be
some pilot.
555
00:24:48,843 --> 00:24:50,509
They don't just give
those medals out.
556
00:24:50,611 --> 00:24:52,110
They definitely do not.
557
00:24:52,213 --> 00:24:55,448
Okay, so when does he wind up
at my clients' house?
558
00:24:55,550 --> 00:24:58,252
Well, in 1966,
he accepted a job as
559
00:24:58,354 --> 00:25:01,623
a flight instructor at the
davis-monthan air force base.
560
00:25:01,725 --> 00:25:03,058
- Okay.
- And like many airmen
561
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,662
in the area, he ended up renting
a home nearby the base,
562
00:25:06,764 --> 00:25:08,764
and that's how he ended up
in your clients' home.
563
00:25:08,867 --> 00:25:10,567
All right, so let's get
to this crash -- what happened?
564
00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:13,003
It's September 15, 1969.
565
00:25:13,105 --> 00:25:14,873
It's 1:07 p.M.
566
00:25:14,975 --> 00:25:18,744
Hurst and a trainee take
off for a routine exercise.
567
00:25:18,846 --> 00:25:22,716
They're in an f-4d phantom --
looks something like this.
568
00:25:24,987 --> 00:25:26,153
Steve: What happened next?
569
00:25:26,256 --> 00:25:29,257
So the two of them are doing
combat maneuvers with three
570
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,526
other airplanes,
and all of a sudden,
571
00:25:31,629 --> 00:25:34,096
hurts's plane just takes
a nosedive, just starts heading
572
00:25:34,198 --> 00:25:36,432
straight down --
in order to save their lives,
573
00:25:36,534 --> 00:25:38,869
both hurst
and the trainee eject,
574
00:25:38,971 --> 00:25:40,704
and the plane crashes
directly into
575
00:25:40,806 --> 00:25:42,908
the tohono o'odham,
an indian reservation.
576
00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:45,143
Okay, so I know
hurst dies, obviously.
577
00:25:45,245 --> 00:25:46,177
What happened to the trainee?
578
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,414
The trainee barely
had a scratch on him.
579
00:25:48,516 --> 00:25:50,917
And now, how old was hurst
when he died?
580
00:25:51,019 --> 00:25:52,686
Hurst was only 40 years old.
581
00:25:52,788 --> 00:25:54,254
- Okay, so he was a young guy.
- Yeah.
582
00:25:54,356 --> 00:25:56,624
Did they ever investigate
and find out what
583
00:25:56,726 --> 00:25:57,859
the hell happened
with the plane?
584
00:25:57,961 --> 00:25:59,394
An investigation was done,
585
00:25:59,496 --> 00:26:01,830
but the results are still
classified at this point.
586
00:26:01,933 --> 00:26:04,000
I mean, it's a shame, this guy
flies all those missions,
587
00:26:04,102 --> 00:26:07,370
no problems, in a combat zone,
comes home to do
588
00:26:07,472 --> 00:26:08,706
a training exercise
and get killed.
589
00:26:08,808 --> 00:26:09,807
It's a tragedy.
590
00:26:15,749 --> 00:26:16,783
Amy: I feel sick here.
591
00:26:16,885 --> 00:26:18,384
Oh, god.
592
00:26:18,486 --> 00:26:20,554
Oh, god, I feel really sick
right here.
593
00:26:20,656 --> 00:26:27,128
♪♪
594
00:26:27,230 --> 00:26:29,131
I feel like somebody,
like, died here.
595
00:26:29,233 --> 00:26:30,800
I just feel, like,
596
00:26:30,902 --> 00:26:32,435
pulled into the ground.
597
00:26:35,708 --> 00:26:37,842
I kind of want to say
it was a male.
598
00:26:37,944 --> 00:26:38,977
This is not good.
599
00:26:41,849 --> 00:26:43,682
So I'm gonna
just take a minute here.
600
00:26:50,860 --> 00:26:53,160
I saw several disturbing
things on my walk,
601
00:26:53,262 --> 00:26:55,397
but two concerned me the most.
602
00:26:55,499 --> 00:26:56,698
First, the wendigo
603
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,769
trying to take a living woman
from her bedroom.
604
00:26:59,871 --> 00:27:04,341
The best way I could describe
this thing is as a clear energy,
605
00:27:04,443 --> 00:27:06,243
but in a contained form,
606
00:27:06,345 --> 00:27:11,183
uh, coming through the window
and leaning over the headboard.
607
00:27:11,285 --> 00:27:14,587
It's kind of like pressing
on her here.
608
00:27:14,689 --> 00:27:15,422
Okay.
609
00:27:15,524 --> 00:27:16,990
It was huge.
610
00:27:20,030 --> 00:27:23,164
Next, I described
the woman I saw crying.
611
00:27:23,266 --> 00:27:26,135
She was fairly petite, heavyset.
612
00:27:26,237 --> 00:27:29,773
She had very thick, dark hair,
613
00:27:29,875 --> 00:27:32,710
55 to 60 years of age,
614
00:27:32,812 --> 00:27:34,845
and she was like this
most of the time.
615
00:27:36,016 --> 00:27:37,949
Just make sure, like,
the hair is thicker.
616
00:27:38,052 --> 00:27:39,518
- Yeah, mm-hmm.
- With the curls.
617
00:27:39,620 --> 00:27:45,659
♪♪
618
00:27:45,761 --> 00:27:46,727
amy, is this who you saw?
619
00:27:48,464 --> 00:27:49,431
Yes.
620
00:27:52,002 --> 00:27:53,602
[ ghostly whispers ]
621
00:27:58,610 --> 00:28:00,310
[ ghostly whispers ]
622
00:28:00,412 --> 00:28:09,421
♪♪
623
00:28:09,524 --> 00:28:12,425
steve: Now that amy and I have
completed our investigations,
624
00:28:12,527 --> 00:28:14,462
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
625
00:28:14,564 --> 00:28:17,098
and our clients
for the first time.
626
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,135
Amy, I'd like you to meet
nick and desiree.
627
00:28:20,237 --> 00:28:22,805
They're an amazing
and loving couple, and, uh,
628
00:28:22,907 --> 00:28:25,908
they have four great kids.
629
00:28:26,010 --> 00:28:30,849
Now, nick's a former cop and
a military vet, just like me.
630
00:28:30,951 --> 00:28:33,585
But he says if we can't help
him, he thinks that whatever
631
00:28:33,687 --> 00:28:34,753
is here is gonna kill somebody.
632
00:28:35,857 --> 00:28:38,591
So unless amy's got some
questions for you guys,
633
00:28:38,693 --> 00:28:40,026
she'll describe her walk first.
634
00:28:43,199 --> 00:28:47,870
So the first individual
that I want to discuss was
635
00:28:47,972 --> 00:28:51,140
a male -- I would put him
in his late thirties,
636
00:28:51,242 --> 00:28:52,275
early forties.
637
00:28:52,377 --> 00:28:54,410
So I was, like, in his body,
638
00:28:54,513 --> 00:28:58,215
and I could feel
an impact to my head.
639
00:28:58,317 --> 00:29:02,154
I could feel my brain
being injured,
640
00:29:02,256 --> 00:29:05,791
and I felt like I had been shot.
641
00:29:05,894 --> 00:29:07,660
Um...
642
00:29:07,762 --> 00:29:11,965
The body was in a really bad
state of decomposition,
643
00:29:13,303 --> 00:29:16,271
very bloated and hard to really
644
00:29:16,373 --> 00:29:17,840
make out a lot of features.
645
00:29:17,942 --> 00:29:19,408
All right, so it's not
a ton to go on,
646
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:22,779
but the decomposing body, um,
647
00:29:22,881 --> 00:29:24,047
made me think
about a murder victim
648
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:25,183
named carl martin.
649
00:29:25,285 --> 00:29:26,984
His body was found in the wash
650
00:29:27,086 --> 00:29:28,653
that runs right
behind your house here,
651
00:29:28,755 --> 00:29:31,223
back in the summer of '86.
652
00:29:31,325 --> 00:29:32,925
Martin had been dumped there
and just left
653
00:29:33,027 --> 00:29:35,128
out there to decompose
in the hot sun.
654
00:29:35,230 --> 00:29:38,199
Now you said the guy you saw
was in his thirties or forties.
655
00:29:38,301 --> 00:29:40,434
Martin was 45 at the time
of his death.
656
00:29:40,536 --> 00:29:42,003
So now the background
on martin is that
657
00:29:42,072 --> 00:29:44,806
he was a small-time criminal
that had
658
00:29:44,908 --> 00:29:47,076
a chop shop at
the auto body shop he owned,
659
00:29:47,178 --> 00:29:49,712
and he had three partners --
his wife and two friends.
660
00:29:49,814 --> 00:29:51,081
Things got messy fast.
661
00:29:51,183 --> 00:29:53,483
They felt that he was
cheating them out of
662
00:29:53,586 --> 00:29:56,254
some money when it came
to the chop shop.
663
00:29:56,356 --> 00:29:59,792
So on the night of March 12,
1986, martin was sleeping
664
00:29:59,894 --> 00:30:00,893
when one of his partners
665
00:30:00,995 --> 00:30:02,628
named richard hale
entered his bedroom
666
00:30:02,731 --> 00:30:04,497
and shot him in the head,
667
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,399
but that didn't kill him.
- What?
668
00:30:06,535 --> 00:30:09,070
Hale then claims their
other partner, ronald gomes,
669
00:30:09,172 --> 00:30:11,707
took the gun and emptied
the rest of the magazine
670
00:30:11,809 --> 00:30:12,741
in his body,
671
00:30:12,843 --> 00:30:14,643
then he beat in his head
with a sledgehammer,
672
00:30:15,947 --> 00:30:19,717
and then he strangled him.
- Holy ****.
673
00:30:19,819 --> 00:30:21,218
So a few months later, his body
674
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,855
was discovered,
and the three were arrested.
675
00:30:25,092 --> 00:30:26,157
This is the wild part, though.
676
00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:28,194
The only reason I looked
into this is because
677
00:30:28,296 --> 00:30:29,929
of what you told me.
678
00:30:30,031 --> 00:30:32,266
I was laying in bed one night,
679
00:30:32,368 --> 00:30:35,936
and, um, there was a man
that started talking to me
680
00:30:36,038 --> 00:30:37,872
and telling me his body
was in the wash.
681
00:30:37,974 --> 00:30:40,008
He wanted me to go to the cops.
682
00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:42,177
Steve: Do you think this
could be the guy you saw?
683
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,979
Yeah, very possible.
684
00:30:47,352 --> 00:30:51,022
The next person that I want
to discuss is a female.
685
00:30:51,124 --> 00:30:53,625
She was petite, had thick,
686
00:30:53,727 --> 00:30:56,161
wavy black hair.
687
00:30:56,263 --> 00:30:59,332
She seemed to be extremely
connected to this house.
688
00:30:59,434 --> 00:31:04,071
Her energy is very present here.
689
00:31:04,173 --> 00:31:06,841
I would put it within
the last 10 years.
690
00:31:06,943 --> 00:31:10,913
She was pretty much
hysterically crying.
691
00:31:11,015 --> 00:31:15,585
She feels an overwhelming
amount of guilt and sadness.
692
00:31:15,688 --> 00:31:19,891
She feels responsible for
what's going on here.
693
00:31:19,993 --> 00:31:23,395
So I do think that
her emotions and her energy
694
00:31:23,497 --> 00:31:25,097
being here
695
00:31:25,199 --> 00:31:30,838
would affect the living
and kind of make it miserable.
696
00:31:30,940 --> 00:31:33,341
Well, I think us three
obviously know
697
00:31:33,443 --> 00:31:36,011
what she probably
it talking about.
698
00:31:37,581 --> 00:31:39,215
- Yeah.
- Talk about your grandmother
699
00:31:39,317 --> 00:31:40,383
and your aunt.
700
00:31:40,485 --> 00:31:44,188
Um, so this was, like,
my second home growing up.
701
00:31:44,290 --> 00:31:46,623
My aunt owned the home,
702
00:31:46,726 --> 00:31:49,394
and my grandmother lived here.
703
00:31:49,496 --> 00:31:54,100
My grandmother passed away
in, um, 2007.
704
00:31:54,202 --> 00:31:58,572
There was an accident
in the master bathroom, and...
705
00:31:58,674 --> 00:32:01,509
[ sighs ]
706
00:32:01,611 --> 00:32:03,745
my aunt did it.
707
00:32:03,847 --> 00:32:06,248
She pushed her
when she was in the shower.
708
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:07,950
Amy: Oh, my god!
709
00:32:08,052 --> 00:32:10,987
Desiree here confronted
the aunt about it.
710
00:32:11,089 --> 00:32:16,327
She told me she didn't mean
for it to happen,
711
00:32:16,429 --> 00:32:17,529
and she was sorry.
712
00:32:17,631 --> 00:32:20,132
It was -- it was traumatic.
713
00:32:20,234 --> 00:32:22,168
You told me you aunt was like
a second mom to you.
714
00:32:22,270 --> 00:32:24,270
She was.
715
00:32:24,372 --> 00:32:28,375
She taught me how to be a mom
716
00:32:28,477 --> 00:32:30,178
and how to be the person
I am today.
717
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,047
So it was like betraying my mom.
718
00:32:34,252 --> 00:32:36,419
Now, she mentioned
about how you guys
719
00:32:36,521 --> 00:32:40,056
may feel some of the emotions
coming from this person.
720
00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:42,527
You guys been goin'
through that, right?
721
00:32:42,629 --> 00:32:44,829
There's a lot of guilt
and, like, anger
722
00:32:44,931 --> 00:32:46,364
in the whole family.
723
00:32:46,434 --> 00:32:49,234
Well, I know that
the depression is --
724
00:32:49,336 --> 00:32:52,605
is really bad.
725
00:32:52,707 --> 00:32:55,209
So I got a photo here
of aunt mo, right?
726
00:32:55,311 --> 00:32:56,811
And your grandma.
727
00:32:56,913 --> 00:32:58,712
Uh, so could either
one of these ladies
728
00:32:58,816 --> 00:33:01,116
be somebody that you ran into?
729
00:33:01,218 --> 00:33:02,184
I had a sketch done.
730
00:33:13,433 --> 00:33:15,467
You'd know best, desiree.
731
00:33:17,472 --> 00:33:18,871
That's your grandma's nose.
732
00:33:22,077 --> 00:33:23,276
Yep.
733
00:33:24,647 --> 00:33:26,514
The dark circles under her eyes.
734
00:33:26,616 --> 00:33:28,917
Yeah, and the smoker's...
735
00:33:29,019 --> 00:33:30,052
- Amy: Yes.
- ...Mouth.
736
00:33:30,154 --> 00:33:31,419
Nick: Smoker's mouth, yeah.
737
00:33:31,489 --> 00:33:32,889
Steve: If it is your
grandmother, and she's here,
738
00:33:32,991 --> 00:33:35,091
I mean, that's gotta break
your heart, I would think.
739
00:33:35,193 --> 00:33:36,827
It does.
740
00:33:36,929 --> 00:33:38,829
I want her to be able
to move on.
741
00:33:42,536 --> 00:33:43,969
Steve: Okay.
So what else?
742
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,975
The next deceased individuals
that I encountered
743
00:33:49,077 --> 00:33:52,679
are way more of an issue.
744
00:33:52,781 --> 00:33:56,751
I felt like the living,
uh, here in the house
745
00:33:56,853 --> 00:33:58,320
would see them,
746
00:33:58,422 --> 00:34:00,189
but as shadow people.
747
00:34:00,291 --> 00:34:02,659
They're very invasive,
very intrusive.
748
00:34:02,761 --> 00:34:06,497
One of the things I got
in the bathroom was, like,
749
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,766
they're in there watching,
and then also
750
00:34:08,868 --> 00:34:10,702
in the master bedroom,
751
00:34:10,804 --> 00:34:11,870
they do this weird ****
752
00:34:11,972 --> 00:34:14,474
where they're just standing
around the bed watching.
753
00:34:14,576 --> 00:34:16,276
Now, nick, you explained
all different types
754
00:34:16,378 --> 00:34:17,677
of shadow people
that you're seeing, right?
755
00:34:17,779 --> 00:34:21,115
Yeah, from one to three or four
756
00:34:21,217 --> 00:34:23,652
to, like, a parade
coming down the hall.
757
00:34:23,754 --> 00:34:25,587
There have been times
where I've seen them
758
00:34:25,689 --> 00:34:27,089
in the master bedroom.
759
00:34:27,191 --> 00:34:28,991
All the kids are seeing
shadow figures, as well.
760
00:34:29,060 --> 00:34:30,560
Yeah, I'm not surprised by that.
761
00:34:30,662 --> 00:34:34,197
They are not mentally stable --
in the bedroom
762
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:38,036
at the very end of the hall,
- that's the boys' bedroom.
763
00:34:38,138 --> 00:34:41,941
To the right, in that room,
they were coming out of
764
00:34:42,043 --> 00:34:43,442
the closet.
765
00:34:43,544 --> 00:34:44,644
Son of a ****.
766
00:34:44,746 --> 00:34:46,146
Amy: They are getting
physical with them.
767
00:34:46,248 --> 00:34:47,982
I saw shoving.
768
00:34:48,084 --> 00:34:50,117
They like when the children cry.
769
00:34:51,688 --> 00:34:54,489
They're, like, hurting
these kids.
770
00:34:54,592 --> 00:34:56,726
Like, I feel like
they're hurting them.
771
00:34:59,164 --> 00:35:02,232
Steve: Well, one of the biggest
reasons we're here is because
772
00:35:02,335 --> 00:35:04,268
these guys are worried about
the safety of the kids,
773
00:35:04,370 --> 00:35:07,072
- amy: Yeah.
Especially nine-year-old connor.
774
00:35:07,174 --> 00:35:09,241
- Yes.
- Now do me a favor, nick.
775
00:35:09,344 --> 00:35:12,011
Explain to amy about
that closet in the boys' room.
776
00:35:12,113 --> 00:35:16,183
So almost on a nightly basis,
we will hear him crying.
777
00:35:16,285 --> 00:35:18,086
He'll be sitting up in bed
778
00:35:18,188 --> 00:35:20,388
talking in this -- in a language
779
00:35:20,490 --> 00:35:21,991
I don't know what the hell
he's talking about.
780
00:35:22,093 --> 00:35:23,592
But he's talking at the closet,
781
00:35:23,694 --> 00:35:25,527
and I asked him,
"who were you talking to?
782
00:35:25,631 --> 00:35:26,763
Why are you crying?"
783
00:35:26,865 --> 00:35:28,498
and he told me,
"I can't tell you,
784
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,834
because they're gonna
kill you."
785
00:35:31,070 --> 00:35:32,303
well, he wakes up with
scratches, right?
786
00:35:32,405 --> 00:35:34,773
- You gave me a photo.
- Yeah, he'll wake up with scratches.
787
00:35:35,776 --> 00:35:37,476
And, uh, brennan.
788
00:35:37,578 --> 00:35:39,612
- Yeah.
- Brennan's his older brother.
789
00:35:39,714 --> 00:35:41,648
Got these three scratches going.
790
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:43,884
Do we think this could be these
791
00:35:43,986 --> 00:35:45,152
**** comin' out of the closet?
792
00:35:45,254 --> 00:35:47,355
- Yeah, I do.
- I want to kill 'em.
793
00:35:47,457 --> 00:35:48,623
Those are my babies.
794
00:35:52,063 --> 00:35:53,663
Steve: Okay, so anything else?
795
00:35:53,765 --> 00:35:56,400
Amy: When I got here,
there were some deceased
796
00:35:56,502 --> 00:36:00,638
native americans -- like this
was super, super sacred land.
797
00:36:00,740 --> 00:36:02,173
And there were two things,
798
00:36:02,275 --> 00:36:05,844
two monsters that are here
and connected to them.
799
00:36:05,946 --> 00:36:08,248
So one of them is a skinwalker.
800
00:36:10,552 --> 00:36:12,153
So what exactly is this thing?
801
00:36:12,255 --> 00:36:17,025
It's a deceased
native american who was,
802
00:36:17,127 --> 00:36:18,326
and is, a witch.
803
00:36:19,530 --> 00:36:24,200
What this one likes to do
is to mimic humans.
804
00:36:26,772 --> 00:36:27,871
You guys are hearing voices
805
00:36:27,973 --> 00:36:30,608
that sounds like it's somebody
in the family, right?
806
00:36:30,711 --> 00:36:32,210
- Yeah.
- Yeah, we're at
807
00:36:32,312 --> 00:36:33,846
the other opposite
ends of the house.
808
00:36:33,948 --> 00:36:36,248
I heard my name called
and walked all the way
809
00:36:36,350 --> 00:36:38,218
to the other end of
the house, and I said, "what?
810
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,153
What's up? What do you need?"
811
00:36:40,255 --> 00:36:43,224
- "I didn't call for you."
- if this thing so chooses,
812
00:36:43,326 --> 00:36:48,097
it can, uh, choose to take over
bodies, like a possession.
813
00:36:49,534 --> 00:36:50,533
It's probably a good time
to share
814
00:36:50,635 --> 00:36:52,769
some native american
history in the area.
815
00:36:52,871 --> 00:36:55,272
About 1,500 years ago,
the yaqui tribe
816
00:36:55,374 --> 00:36:57,575
settled here
and in northern mexico.
817
00:36:57,677 --> 00:36:59,211
I got a picture of these guys.
818
00:37:00,347 --> 00:37:01,646
So from what I was told,
these guys were
819
00:37:01,749 --> 00:37:03,149
very spiritual.
820
00:37:03,251 --> 00:37:04,650
Now, they also believed
that anyone
821
00:37:04,753 --> 00:37:07,521
who spiritually was weak
would be susceptible
822
00:37:07,623 --> 00:37:08,455
to witchcraft.
823
00:37:09,725 --> 00:37:10,825
Now, you had said there were
two things
824
00:37:10,927 --> 00:37:12,494
you were scared of --
what was the second thing?
825
00:37:12,562 --> 00:37:15,431
Okay, well, this is where it
gets really unusual.
826
00:37:15,533 --> 00:37:18,634
So the second thing,
the second monster that
827
00:37:18,736 --> 00:37:23,407
you guys are being affected by
is something called a wendigo.
828
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:28,213
What a wendigo is
is a supernatural entity.
829
00:37:28,315 --> 00:37:31,818
Usually it's associated with
native tribes in canada,
830
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,956
so I don't know how it got
here, but it does have
831
00:37:36,058 --> 00:37:37,358
bad intentions,
832
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:41,163
and unfortunately, its focus
is the master bedroom,
833
00:37:41,231 --> 00:37:44,200
and it's female
834
00:37:44,302 --> 00:37:45,501
that it wants.
835
00:37:45,603 --> 00:37:48,972
What I felt it doing
was right in their window
836
00:37:49,074 --> 00:37:53,845
and trying to pull you out,
to remove you from the house.
837
00:37:53,947 --> 00:37:57,016
But I did have a sketch done
of what I saw.
838
00:38:02,457 --> 00:38:03,523
That's just -- just great.
839
00:38:03,625 --> 00:38:04,892
[ sighs ]
840
00:38:08,464 --> 00:38:11,200
- what the **** is that?
- Amy: Mm-hmm.
841
00:38:13,170 --> 00:38:14,370
Oh, my god.
842
00:38:16,541 --> 00:38:18,909
That's terrifying -- I mean,
honestly, that scares
843
00:38:19,011 --> 00:38:20,911
the **** out of me to even
be in my bedroom now.
844
00:38:21,013 --> 00:38:23,682
Now, you told me about tapping
on the windows
845
00:38:23,784 --> 00:38:25,083
and thumping on the walls,
right?
846
00:38:25,185 --> 00:38:27,687
- Yeah.
- Back there in that room.
847
00:38:27,789 --> 00:38:32,893
I'll hear a lot of banging
and a lot of, you know, noises.
848
00:38:32,995 --> 00:38:35,363
Would desiree feel anything
if this thing's trying to...
849
00:38:35,465 --> 00:38:39,001
I mean, something's trying
to get you out of bed.
850
00:38:41,272 --> 00:38:43,173
Woke up with scratches.
851
00:38:43,275 --> 00:38:45,408
That's desiree's arm
right there.
852
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:47,812
These you thought were
burn marks, right?
853
00:38:47,914 --> 00:38:49,146
Desiree: Yeah.
They blistered up.
854
00:38:49,249 --> 00:38:50,448
- Amy: Where was that?
- Steve: It's on her foot.
855
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:52,451
- Amy: On your foot?
- Desiree: On my foot.
856
00:38:52,553 --> 00:38:54,953
This wendigo, if it got
ahold of her, what could happen?
857
00:38:55,055 --> 00:38:58,191
Its intentions is
to take you away,
858
00:38:58,293 --> 00:38:59,894
and then it would kill you
and eat you.
859
00:39:02,064 --> 00:39:03,564
Over my **** dead body.
860
00:39:03,667 --> 00:39:05,767
Amy: This is not
a good situation.
861
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,673
You guys got a lot of
**** going on here.
862
00:39:10,775 --> 00:39:11,941
Yeah.
863
00:39:12,044 --> 00:39:14,645
It's so **** frustrating,
because I can't fight any of it.
864
00:39:14,747 --> 00:39:17,048
It's just pissing me off
even more, you know?
865
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:19,617
I feel like I got hit
with a mack truck.
866
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:20,753
Bring it on.
867
00:39:20,855 --> 00:39:22,655
I'm gonna given this ****
a run for his money.
868
00:39:22,757 --> 00:39:25,158
[ sniffles ]
869
00:39:28,297 --> 00:39:29,964
[ ghostly whispers ]
870
00:39:34,805 --> 00:39:36,505
[ ghostly whispers ]
871
00:39:38,176 --> 00:39:39,142
steve: I knew things were bad,
872
00:39:39,244 --> 00:39:41,879
but after almost 10 years
of working with amy,
873
00:39:41,981 --> 00:39:43,480
I can't remember many
cases where there was
874
00:39:43,582 --> 00:39:46,484
so much bad stuff
going on in one house.
875
00:39:46,586 --> 00:39:49,020
So now the big question is,
what can you do about it?
876
00:39:49,122 --> 00:39:50,423
Can you stay here and fight it?
877
00:39:50,525 --> 00:39:52,825
Or do you have to pack up
and get the hell out of here?
878
00:39:52,927 --> 00:39:54,494
For that answer, I'm gonna
turn it over to amy.
879
00:39:59,102 --> 00:40:03,205
There are quite a few things
that need to happen.
880
00:40:03,307 --> 00:40:06,408
A team of people
that I work with are going to
881
00:40:06,511 --> 00:40:09,913
come here and remove
the aspect of your grandmother
882
00:40:10,015 --> 00:40:11,115
that is here.
883
00:40:11,217 --> 00:40:14,719
So that depression that has,
like, kind of rooted in you,
884
00:40:14,821 --> 00:40:16,321
you'll feel a bit better,
885
00:40:16,457 --> 00:40:20,393
but you're still gonna need
to go outside to, like,
886
00:40:20,495 --> 00:40:23,096
a psychotherapist to really
get that out of you.
887
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:29,004
They will also, at that time,
move on the wash man.
888
00:40:29,106 --> 00:40:31,640
Now to the monsters --
the team will create
889
00:40:31,743 --> 00:40:34,777
a barrier around your home
to lock it down.
890
00:40:34,879 --> 00:40:38,415
It'll keep the skinwalker
and the wendigo at bay.
891
00:40:38,517 --> 00:40:42,086
- Whatever keeps that jackass
- yes.
892
00:40:42,188 --> 00:40:43,955
And all the other ones out --
- yes.
893
00:40:44,057 --> 00:40:46,692
- I don't care.
- What about the **** in the closet?
894
00:40:46,794 --> 00:40:47,893
- Oh, the dead guys?
- Yeah.
895
00:40:47,995 --> 00:40:50,864
Yeah, they're gonna have to be
kept at bay, as well,
896
00:40:50,966 --> 00:40:54,935
because we don't want to
basically conjure them.
897
00:40:55,038 --> 00:40:58,407
Uh, meaning pulling them here
898
00:40:58,509 --> 00:41:00,208
and moving them on.
899
00:41:00,310 --> 00:41:04,614
So we want to just keep them
the **** out the house.
900
00:41:04,716 --> 00:41:07,651
Well, as bad as it sounded
tonight, this is actually
901
00:41:07,753 --> 00:41:08,685
good news.
902
00:41:08,788 --> 00:41:09,821
You got to feel better now.
903
00:41:09,923 --> 00:41:11,723
- I do.
- We wanted this to be
904
00:41:11,825 --> 00:41:14,427
our last move
and our forever home.
905
00:41:14,529 --> 00:41:16,028
And you are gonna
take amy's advice.
906
00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:17,630
- Yeah, definitely.
- Oh, yes.
907
00:41:17,732 --> 00:41:20,700
- There's no doubt about it.
- Starting tomorrow.
908
00:41:20,803 --> 00:41:22,403
- Good.
- I feel relieved,
909
00:41:22,505 --> 00:41:24,539
because now I have a plan of
attack that I can go get
910
00:41:24,641 --> 00:41:25,673
these bastards from.
911
00:41:27,144 --> 00:41:29,278
They're --
they're gonna be gone.
912
00:41:29,380 --> 00:41:32,882
Amy: Nick and desiree still have
a long road ahead of them,
913
00:41:32,984 --> 00:41:35,986
but I'm confident, if they
follow my advice, they'll be
914
00:41:36,089 --> 00:41:38,089
able to live
in their house in peace.
915
00:41:42,663 --> 00:41:44,997
Hi, guys -- just wanted
to give you guys an update.
916
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:48,936
The activity is continuing,
and we are waiting
917
00:41:49,038 --> 00:41:52,440
for amy's team to come
do a second investigation
918
00:41:52,542 --> 00:41:54,242
like amy suggested.
919
00:41:54,344 --> 00:41:55,443
Until then...
920
00:41:55,546 --> 00:41:57,480
[ sighs ]
921
00:41:57,582 --> 00:41:59,548
we'll keep trucking.
Thank you.
922
00:41:59,598 --> 00:42:04,148
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