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Amy: Somebody's
living in the walls.
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The thing cursed him.
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He was physically thrown.
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Something giving me nightmares.
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- Do you know what they want?
- Amy: To take the person.
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How often
have you been scratched?
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Over 50 times.
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- Is that what I think it is?
- Mm-hmm.
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I mean, that's my kid.
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Amy: Oh, god, not again.
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Oh, god, not again.
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Not again. Oh, god, no.
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I'm here in
the devil's triangle.
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My name is amy allan.
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I see dead people.
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I think he might've
been a stalker.
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I speak to dead people.
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And they speak to me.
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He will kill you.
He has killed people.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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They're being possessed.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm steve dischiavi.
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I'm a retired new york city
homicide detective.
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How many people died here
over the years?
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And I know every person,
every house, has secrets.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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But steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...Until the very end...
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This sketch is like a nightmare.
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...When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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[ crying ]
I never thought
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that the biggest problem was me.
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...Or time to get out.
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He could, more than likely,
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kill you.
- [ crying ]
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[ ominous chord strikes ]
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[ voices whispering ]
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♪♪
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♪♪
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so I'm out here
in coleraine, minnesota.
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It's about an hour
and 1/2 from duluth.
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We're here to help
a woman named kari.
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Now she's a mom,
just got remarried,
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but she says her home
is like a war zone.
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She told me whatever's there
is picking on
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her seven-year-old boy,
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and she's worried it's
destroying his childhood.
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She sounds like
a real sweet woman.
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I'm hoping we can help her out.
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♪♪
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♪♪
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amy: Oh, boy.
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So one of the main people
that's here is an older man.
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He stays very low.
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He moves around like a dog.
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So then the old guy says that
there's a lot of energy here.
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He says that he can move stuff
all the time.
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So I'm thinking there might be
pk going on here, too,
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that he's able to tap in
and use.
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Pk going on makes living crazy.
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Steve: So, kari, I'm glad I'm
here, even though it's freezing.
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You sounded really bad on
the phone, very concerned.
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So what the hell's
going on here?
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Yeah, I'm very concerned about
my family, particularly my son.
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He's the youngest
and seems to be more affected.
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So let's start with the basics.
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Who all lives in the house now?
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- My husband, jason.
- Steve: Okay.
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- Myself, his daughter, sadie.
- How old is sadie?
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Sadie's 17,
and my son kellan, he's 7.
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How long have you lived here?
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We've lived here
just over six years.
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I purchased the home
as a single mother.
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Now, did you have experiences,
like, right away?
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When my husband
and his daughter moved in,
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it increased significantly.
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So I know kellan is the one
you're worried about the most.
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Uh, tell me why.
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You know, my son is scared and
having bad dreams and anxiety.
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He doesn't like to sleep
in his bedroom.
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He prefers to sleep
in his sister's room often.
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I mean, he's seven.
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Kids are a little stressed
out these days.
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I mean, what makes you think
it's all paranormal?
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When he was about two and 1/2,
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I was in the kitchen area here,
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and behind you
is our laundry room.
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- Steve: Right.
- Kari: And he walked
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to the back corner
of the laundry room,
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and he was physically thrown
across the room
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and cried and was very upset.
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It looked like somebody tossed
a doll across the room.
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It was terrible.
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That's a game changer
right there.
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Yeah, it's very stressful.
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So what about kellan's dad?
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Does he spend time with him?
Does he have experiences there?
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Um, so kellan's dad
was a marine.
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- Okay.
- And, um,
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he unfortunately,
a couple years ago
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was the victim of
veteran suicide.
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I'm sorry to hear that.
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It happens way too
often, unfortunately.
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Okay.
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Do me a favor and give me
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a list of what the hell
you guys are experiencing.
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We're hearing, um, knocking,
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things that move on their own.
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We see shadow figures,
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and things are starting
to get physical.
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How are you holding up?
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You know,
I do my best to take care
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of the whole household
and the family, um,
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but it's very difficult.
- Who's taking care of you?
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Yeah, that's
why I called you guys.
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Yeah. Okay.
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What the ****.
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I'm seeing a guy in a top hat
sitting in a tree.
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This guy in the tree moves fast.
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Thinking that this was
a native american.
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So there's another thing
with this guy in the tree,
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and it's taller
and they're connected
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somehow.
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It's seven feet tall,
wearing a black cape.
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And then the old man says that
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the thing cursed him
where the structure...
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The old man, when he was alive,
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was being bothered
by the native american.
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But I don't understand
why the native american
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would be acting
sketchy and creepy.
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[ sighs ]
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kari: I don't like
the basement.
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Steve: What's the story?
Why don't you like it?
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It's just a...
Unsettling feeling
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in my stomach.
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- Queasy?
- Queasy, and I want to leave.
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Do you have that queasy
feeling now?
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Yes, I do.
I -- I would like to
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leave the basement.
- Leave. Okay.
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- Uh, anything else?
- I...
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Get a feeling like I walked
through a wall of spider webs.
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So I know the feeling
that you're talking about,
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- yeah.
- 'cause everybody's walked
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through a spider web, right?
- Yeah.
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Do you get that feeling
underneath your clothing
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or is it just
where the skin is exposed?
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Underneath the clothing,
as well.
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- Okay, like a tingling?
- Yeah, but light.
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Now, when you go upstairs,
do you ever feel that?
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No, I've only felt it in
the basement.
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Uh, anything else?
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I've heard knocking down here.
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All right,
so when you hear this,
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what's it kind of sound like?
- Like...
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[ raps twice ]
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but it's louder.
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- What do you think it is?
- I don't know.
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Something that doesn't
want anybody down here.
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So this is where
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the old man
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likes to stay.
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This is where
he feels the safest.
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I don't know why
he's naked either.
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He had something wrong
in his mind before he died.
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Like I keep getting
lost in his thoughts.
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So, you know, there's been
some instances of confusion,
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and he likes to move ****around.
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So they're probably hearing
a lot of noises,
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like somebody's living
in the walls.
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He's mistaken this living female
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for this other woman he knew
when he was younger.
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And so I think this living woman
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has felt like
she's been touched.
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The living down here would
experience, you know, nausea.
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I mean, he drives them crazy.
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Steve: What's going on in here?
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- I have heard growling.
- Explain the growling.
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Like a...
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[ makes growling noise ]
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like a very, um, distinct growl.
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All right, obviously,
question is do you have pets?
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We have two dogs.
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Have you ever heard either one
of them sound like that?
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No. Never.
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Is it possible there's something
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in the walls here?
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I don't believe so.
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All right, so anything else?
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- I see a shadow figure.
- Okay, so what do you see?
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A tall, dark
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black to gray figure.
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- It goes from floor to ceiling.
- Okay.
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So with all this stuff
you got going on
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and all the worries you have,
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how you sleeping at night?
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I get woken up almost
every night between
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two o'clock and four o'clock
in the morning.
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What do you think's
waking you up?
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It's almost like a feeling of
somebody watching me.
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What are you hopin'
we can do for you
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with this investigation?
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I'm really hoping that
you guys can help us
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just bring back the peacefulness
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of a normal home.
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Well, you're not asking
for too much, are ya?
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No.
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They're here.
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Shadow people.
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Maybe four at a time.
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So the living here
can't move. Yeah.
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But like sleep paralysis.
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This is a female waking up.
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It feels like they're sleep,
but they're not.
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And I feel, "oh, god, not again.
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"oh, god, not again.
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Not again. Oh, god, no."
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♪♪
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♪♪
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steve: So, sadie,
how old are you?
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- 17.
- 17, okay.
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I was talking to kari,
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and she was saying how
worried she is
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about the whole family --
you agree with her?
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- Yeah.
- Okay.
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How about you --
you having experiences?
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Uh, yeah.
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I was sitting
at the kitchen table,
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and my hand started to hurt,
- okay.
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And I looked down on it,
and there was a really
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long scratch.
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And it's kind of, like, a welt.
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Ooh.
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- Anything else?
- I was sitting on the couch,
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and I watched a picture fly
off the shelf by itself.
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Did it look like it fell,
or did it look like
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somebody might have flung it?
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It looked like someone
might have flung it.
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I mean, that would have
scared the hell out of me.
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So as far as you living here,
do you --
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do you feel safe here?
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Or do you think
this is dangerous?
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- I feel like it wants us out.
- Yeah, okay.
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Okay.
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This is, uh, bad.
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I'm getting much depression.
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Fear, uh,
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grief, depression.
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Very confused.
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This might be some of
the pk **** here.
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Do you know where
this pk is coming from?
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The person who's in this room.
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Do you know why?
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They're in a lot of
emotional turmoil.
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So kellan, I was talkin'
to mom, and she said
257
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you're having a tough time
in the house.
258
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Is that right?
Do you like living here?
259
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- No, huh?
- Every time I walk in here,
260
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I have, like...
261
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This feeling where I think
of scary stuff.
262
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That's why I sleep
in sadie's room.
263
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Don't want to be here,
264
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and something
265
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in here, like,
giving me nightmares.
266
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Do you remember any of them?
267
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- Um, my whole family died.
- Okay.
268
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That's a scary dream, huh?
269
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Anything else?
270
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The shadows.
271
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- You see shadows?
- Yeah.
272
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Okay, where do you see them?
273
00:12:30,832 --> 00:12:34,134
I saw one in the laundry room,
274
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probably the size of you.
275
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Have you seen them again?
276
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Yeah, and I saw the --
277
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I saw a tall one
in sadie's room.
278
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Well, let me ask you a question.
279
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If we could fix what's going
on here and no more bad things
280
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would happen,
would you want to stay?
281
00:12:48,453 --> 00:12:50,687
Okay, good.
All right.
282
00:12:50,789 --> 00:12:52,890
Give me a high five.
Okay.
283
00:12:56,497 --> 00:12:59,564
Possibly they've seen
the tall, tall one,
284
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the guy who was with
the native american outside.
285
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Is it in here?
- Yeah.
286
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What is the tall one doing?
287
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Just standing there, staring.
288
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There's a feeling here like --
like, you know,
289
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obviously wanting it to stop,
290
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but this is like -- like,
the old man's one thing.
291
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This is something else.
292
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♪♪
293
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talking to your wife before
294
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and some of the family,
295
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and it just seems like
this place has got its issues.
296
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Yes, that it does.
297
00:13:39,247 --> 00:13:42,049
So I spoke with sadie,
and she showed me a scratch
298
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that she had on her hand,
and she's a little rattled.
299
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You feel any guilt about
moving her in here
300
00:13:47,424 --> 00:13:48,790
with you guys?
- You know, I do feel
301
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a little bad, 'cause she didn't
ask for that.
302
00:13:50,561 --> 00:13:52,128
She didn't ask
for the extra drama.
303
00:13:53,164 --> 00:13:54,731
Any experiences
you could talk about?
304
00:13:54,833 --> 00:13:55,865
I do get scratched.
305
00:13:55,967 --> 00:13:58,602
Those are the scratches
that I had had.
306
00:13:59,672 --> 00:14:01,272
How often have you
been scratched?
307
00:14:01,375 --> 00:14:03,274
Over 50 times.
308
00:14:03,377 --> 00:14:04,309
Wow.
309
00:14:04,411 --> 00:14:05,844
So, listen,
you've been scratched.
310
00:14:05,946 --> 00:14:10,149
Kari told me about knocking
on the walls and growling.
311
00:14:10,251 --> 00:14:12,019
You sure there's not
a rodent problem
312
00:14:12,121 --> 00:14:13,420
in the house,
in the wall somewhere?
313
00:14:13,522 --> 00:14:15,455
You had it checked
for anything like that?
314
00:14:15,557 --> 00:14:16,357
Uh, no, we haven't.
315
00:14:16,459 --> 00:14:18,526
Okay, all right,
so anything else?
316
00:14:18,628 --> 00:14:20,528
You know, I do see shadow
figures in the house.
317
00:14:20,630 --> 00:14:22,131
A lot of other people
that I've talked to today
318
00:14:22,233 --> 00:14:24,566
told me the same thing --
now, what are you seeing?
319
00:14:24,668 --> 00:14:26,669
I see something walk
through the kitchen
320
00:14:26,772 --> 00:14:27,737
almost constantly.
321
00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:29,305
- How tall is it?
- It goes from
322
00:14:29,374 --> 00:14:30,640
the floor to the ceiling.
323
00:14:30,742 --> 00:14:32,476
I feel it's safe to say
whatever's here
324
00:14:32,578 --> 00:14:33,711
doesn't want us here.
325
00:14:39,186 --> 00:14:41,120
I'm seeing this...
326
00:14:42,190 --> 00:14:44,891
Supposed native american man
327
00:14:44,993 --> 00:14:47,728
and that thing
coming in the window.
328
00:14:49,131 --> 00:14:51,866
Matt: You say supposed --
why -- why are you saying that?
329
00:14:51,968 --> 00:14:54,803
I don't think it's really
a native american.
330
00:14:54,905 --> 00:14:57,706
What do you think... They are?
331
00:14:58,976 --> 00:15:00,944
I think that they're alien.
332
00:15:03,515 --> 00:15:07,251
Can these things change
the way people perceive them?
333
00:15:07,353 --> 00:15:09,954
- Yeah.
- And do you know what they want?
334
00:15:11,459 --> 00:15:14,393
Uh, to take the person.
335
00:15:18,633 --> 00:15:20,333
Have they been successful
in doing that?
336
00:15:20,435 --> 00:15:21,569
Yes.
337
00:15:21,671 --> 00:15:23,904
How do you think this person
might be affected by that?
338
00:15:24,006 --> 00:15:25,841
They feel like
they're being touched,
339
00:15:25,943 --> 00:15:27,242
but then I don't know how much
340
00:15:27,344 --> 00:15:29,744
they're remembering
of the whole thing.
341
00:15:32,750 --> 00:15:35,451
These aren't shadow people
in here, either.
342
00:15:35,553 --> 00:15:37,554
- So these aren't shadow people.
- No.
343
00:15:37,656 --> 00:15:39,089
- That's just what she's seeing.
- Yes.
344
00:15:39,191 --> 00:15:41,493
- And they're aliens.
- Yes.
345
00:15:41,595 --> 00:15:44,963
I think that they're being
abducted by aliens.
346
00:15:45,065 --> 00:15:46,198
Are they in danger?
347
00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:48,701
Yes, uh, they get abducted
348
00:15:48,803 --> 00:15:49,768
and, like have, like,
349
00:15:49,871 --> 00:15:55,041
ptsd and flashbacks,
traumatizing nightmares
350
00:15:55,144 --> 00:15:56,611
about
351
00:15:56,713 --> 00:15:58,412
being, like, dissected.
352
00:15:58,515 --> 00:15:59,914
I mean, I don't...
353
00:16:00,016 --> 00:16:03,619
I think that usually
the abductions go very well
354
00:16:03,721 --> 00:16:04,820
for people.
355
00:16:18,071 --> 00:16:19,638
Look, kari and jason
tell me they hear
356
00:16:19,740 --> 00:16:22,041
knocking in the walls
and growling sounds.
357
00:16:22,143 --> 00:16:24,777
Sounds to me like some kind of
wildlife problem.
358
00:16:24,879 --> 00:16:27,181
Now, what that would be in
the friggin' frozen tundra
359
00:16:27,283 --> 00:16:28,782
out here, I got no clue,
360
00:16:28,884 --> 00:16:30,417
but I'm heading
back to the house to meet
361
00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:32,787
with a wildlife control expert
who's gonna give the place
362
00:16:32,889 --> 00:16:33,955
a once-over for me.
363
00:16:39,697 --> 00:16:41,264
Hey, mike,
thanks for meeting with me.
364
00:16:41,366 --> 00:16:43,133
- I appreciate it.
- Yeah, good to meet you, steve.
365
00:16:43,235 --> 00:16:44,401
So, mike, this why I called you.
366
00:16:44,503 --> 00:16:46,037
The people that live here are
having some strange things
367
00:16:46,139 --> 00:16:48,272
happening, and some of it
is they're hearing growling,
368
00:16:48,374 --> 00:16:51,009
knocks in the walls,
and they're gettin' scratched.
369
00:16:51,111 --> 00:16:53,245
Yeah, the scratching
is a bit unusual,
370
00:16:53,347 --> 00:16:56,115
but the growling
and the knocking noise, uh,
371
00:16:56,218 --> 00:16:57,483
could possibly be a squirrel.
372
00:16:57,586 --> 00:16:58,985
We have a couple different
types of squirrels,
373
00:16:59,087 --> 00:17:01,088
northern flying squirrels,
gray squirrels.
374
00:17:01,190 --> 00:17:02,389
Really? Okay,
so they're indigenous
375
00:17:02,491 --> 00:17:04,491
to this area and could possibly
be in the house.
376
00:17:04,594 --> 00:17:05,760
Yeah, on an older house
like this,
377
00:17:05,862 --> 00:17:07,128
it's very much a possibility.
378
00:17:07,231 --> 00:17:09,397
Okay -- do me a favor --
if you give the house
379
00:17:09,499 --> 00:17:10,498
good check for me,
380
00:17:10,602 --> 00:17:12,201
let me know if you find
any evidence of that?
381
00:17:12,303 --> 00:17:13,569
All right, let's go ahead
and take a look.
382
00:17:13,671 --> 00:17:14,570
Okay. Thanks.
383
00:17:17,476 --> 00:17:20,177
Steve: I have no clue what amy's
gonna find during her walk,
384
00:17:20,279 --> 00:17:22,380
but it's my job to rule out
the obvious first.
385
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:25,584
We're in minnesota
in the dead of winter.
386
00:17:25,686 --> 00:17:27,519
So if there's wildlife
sneaking into the house
387
00:17:27,622 --> 00:17:28,988
looking for food,
388
00:17:29,090 --> 00:17:31,625
it could explain what kari and
her family are going through.
389
00:17:31,727 --> 00:17:34,728
If that's the case,
we'll bring in an exterminator,
390
00:17:34,830 --> 00:17:36,030
problem solved.
391
00:17:39,435 --> 00:17:40,602
- How'd it go?
- It went well.
392
00:17:41,772 --> 00:17:43,038
- Anything?
- Yeah, I found some spots,
393
00:17:43,140 --> 00:17:44,139
a couple of places
where squirrels
394
00:17:44,241 --> 00:17:46,342
have made entry through
some soffit material.
395
00:17:46,444 --> 00:17:47,844
Okay, so there's evidence
that they were
396
00:17:47,946 --> 00:17:49,279
in the house at some point.
- Yeah, absolutely.
397
00:17:49,381 --> 00:17:51,482
We found an acorn upstairs,
flying squirrels kinda
398
00:17:51,584 --> 00:17:52,983
chew acorns
a little bit uniquely,
399
00:17:53,085 --> 00:17:54,752
and we can see where
they definitely have came
400
00:17:54,854 --> 00:17:55,787
into the house.
401
00:17:55,889 --> 00:17:57,422
Okay, so could that explain
402
00:17:57,524 --> 00:17:59,891
the knocking noises they're
hearing in the basement?
403
00:17:59,993 --> 00:18:02,328
- Yep. Absolutely.
- What about the growling?
404
00:18:02,430 --> 00:18:03,996
Yeah, flying squirrels can be
pretty aggressive
405
00:18:04,098 --> 00:18:04,964
towards each other,
406
00:18:05,066 --> 00:18:06,166
so they'll be fighting up there.
407
00:18:06,268 --> 00:18:07,801
All right,
what about the scratches?
408
00:18:07,903 --> 00:18:09,970
I don't think it would really
explain the scratches.
409
00:18:10,072 --> 00:18:12,140
So I always say that not
everything's paranormal,
410
00:18:12,242 --> 00:18:14,409
but what you found
explained some of it,
411
00:18:14,511 --> 00:18:15,678
but not everything.
- Yes.
412
00:18:15,780 --> 00:18:17,613
Let's get the hell out of here.
Cold.
413
00:18:24,189 --> 00:18:26,457
The old man likes
to be up in here.
414
00:18:26,559 --> 00:18:27,825
He likes to be up in here.
415
00:18:27,927 --> 00:18:29,126
Makes a lot of noise.
416
00:18:30,497 --> 00:18:31,863
You can hear footsteps and ****,
417
00:18:31,965 --> 00:18:34,800
like, regular footstep
and stuff.
418
00:18:34,902 --> 00:18:37,003
[ knocking noises ]
419
00:18:37,105 --> 00:18:40,206
it sounds like somebody's
living in the walls.
420
00:18:42,812 --> 00:18:44,545
And then it's like,
is there a **** raccoon
421
00:18:44,647 --> 00:18:46,047
in the wall, like,
you know what I mean?
422
00:18:46,149 --> 00:18:48,216
Like, that's how loud it is,
that's what it sounds like.
423
00:18:50,321 --> 00:18:52,555
So I just got a call
from a local historian.
424
00:18:52,657 --> 00:18:54,256
Now, she told me
she's got something
425
00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:55,392
that might help me out.
426
00:18:55,494 --> 00:18:57,394
Turns out a family
called the rileys
427
00:18:57,496 --> 00:18:59,496
used to live in kari
and jason's house.
428
00:18:59,598 --> 00:19:02,133
She says they end up
having a famous son,
429
00:19:02,235 --> 00:19:04,235
but the rest of their time in
that land was filled with
430
00:19:04,337 --> 00:19:05,571
heartbreak and tragedy.
431
00:19:13,348 --> 00:19:15,516
So, lilah, I appreciate you
coming out and helping me out
432
00:19:15,618 --> 00:19:16,684
with this case -- all right,
433
00:19:16,786 --> 00:19:18,319
so this family that lived on
my clients' property,
434
00:19:18,421 --> 00:19:19,420
what can you tell me about them?
435
00:19:19,522 --> 00:19:21,256
- The john riley family.
- Okay.
436
00:19:21,358 --> 00:19:24,126
Started a family and had six
kids and then moved to
437
00:19:24,228 --> 00:19:26,996
coleraine, minnesota, in 1906.
438
00:19:27,098 --> 00:19:29,198
They get to coleraine in 1906
--is that when
439
00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:30,667
they buy my clients' property?
440
00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:33,103
Nope, it was eight years later,
in 1914,
441
00:19:33,205 --> 00:19:35,072
- okay.
And I have the deed right here.
442
00:19:36,076 --> 00:19:37,142
Okay.
443
00:19:38,111 --> 00:19:39,611
So what else can you tell me
about john?
444
00:19:39,713 --> 00:19:42,481
He was an engineer who worked
for one of the local mines.
445
00:19:42,583 --> 00:19:44,016
You mentioned out of
446
00:19:44,118 --> 00:19:45,452
the six kids that
you told me he has,
447
00:19:45,554 --> 00:19:46,887
one of them was pretty famous.
448
00:19:46,989 --> 00:19:48,688
Well, when they came
to coleraine,
449
00:19:48,791 --> 00:19:50,391
and everybody tried to ski --
450
00:19:50,493 --> 00:19:52,727
well, barney just had
a talent for skiing.
451
00:19:52,829 --> 00:19:55,096
He actually got a nickname
from everybody.
452
00:19:55,199 --> 00:19:59,268
They called him the irishman
or the wild irish rose.
453
00:19:59,370 --> 00:20:01,471
Okay, so he was popular
in the neighborhood?
454
00:20:01,573 --> 00:20:03,473
He's actually
popular nationwide.
455
00:20:03,575 --> 00:20:06,944
He won the national amateur
championship for skiing.
456
00:20:07,046 --> 00:20:09,513
So lilah, you mentioned
tragedy, but right up till now,
457
00:20:09,615 --> 00:20:11,650
it sounds pretty good --
what happened?
458
00:20:11,752 --> 00:20:14,219
- His luck changed in 1935.
- Okay.
459
00:20:14,321 --> 00:20:16,889
Tragically, barney's mother
fell ill and suffered
460
00:20:16,991 --> 00:20:20,360
for three days
and died of septicemia.
461
00:20:20,463 --> 00:20:21,562
Okay, what exactly is that?
462
00:20:21,664 --> 00:20:23,530
It's an infection of the liver.
463
00:20:23,632 --> 00:20:25,600
I have a death certificate
here for you.
464
00:20:27,370 --> 00:20:29,070
So his mom dies.
465
00:20:29,172 --> 00:20:31,407
I mean, that's tragic,
but these things happen, right?
466
00:20:31,509 --> 00:20:33,909
Then just a year later,
barney's father, john,
467
00:20:34,011 --> 00:20:35,912
had full-blown dementia.
468
00:20:36,014 --> 00:20:40,251
Then he got kidney disease
and died on March 3, 1936.
469
00:20:40,353 --> 00:20:42,854
He actually died
in your clients' home.
470
00:20:42,956 --> 00:20:44,789
All right, so now I know
there's six kids,
471
00:20:44,891 --> 00:20:47,593
but does barney get the property
after the parents die?
472
00:20:47,695 --> 00:20:49,428
No, the oldest son,
john jr., does.
473
00:20:49,530 --> 00:20:52,565
- Okay.
- And in 1938,
474
00:20:52,667 --> 00:20:54,234
he passes away.
475
00:20:54,336 --> 00:20:56,804
He died of cancer
in the stomach.
476
00:20:56,906 --> 00:20:59,340
Oh, he's 51 years old,
so he's a young guy.
477
00:20:59,442 --> 00:21:01,309
All right, so now
his brother's dead.
478
00:21:01,411 --> 00:21:03,111
Who gets the property
at this point?
479
00:21:03,213 --> 00:21:05,648
- Barney inherits it.
- Okay, so what happens?
480
00:21:05,717 --> 00:21:08,751
Well, within a year,
barney got in his car
481
00:21:08,853 --> 00:21:10,387
and was backing out of
the driveway
482
00:21:10,489 --> 00:21:13,823
- okay.
And had a heart attack and died.
483
00:21:13,893 --> 00:21:15,293
Here's his death certificate.
484
00:21:18,331 --> 00:21:21,166
- 48? What a young guy.
- Young.
485
00:21:21,269 --> 00:21:22,868
I mean, this guy
was an athlete, too.
486
00:21:23,905 --> 00:21:25,171
All right, so if I got
my math right,
487
00:21:25,274 --> 00:21:26,706
that's four deaths
in four years.
488
00:21:26,808 --> 00:21:28,308
- Four years.
- That's a shame.
489
00:21:32,015 --> 00:21:34,148
This old man
won't stop following me.
490
00:21:35,185 --> 00:21:39,488
He was saying, uh,
that he was a former owner,
491
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:41,824
says he lived and died here.
492
00:21:41,927 --> 00:21:44,494
Then he got confused
on if he was dead.
493
00:21:44,596 --> 00:21:48,299
So then I'm thinking maybe
he had, like, dementia
494
00:21:48,401 --> 00:21:49,433
or something.
495
00:21:50,771 --> 00:21:52,971
So he might be
in his late seventies.
496
00:21:53,073 --> 00:21:56,542
I don't think, uh,
he's from that long ago.
497
00:21:56,644 --> 00:21:58,377
I wouldn't put him earlier
than, like,
498
00:21:58,479 --> 00:22:00,614
maybe in the 1940s?
499
00:22:06,122 --> 00:22:09,591
Definitely, like,
some illness here with him,
500
00:22:09,693 --> 00:22:11,226
like, his stomach.
501
00:22:11,329 --> 00:22:15,799
There was something with his
business, got dirt digging and,
502
00:22:15,901 --> 00:22:18,268
like, maybe mining of some
kind or something
503
00:22:18,370 --> 00:22:19,569
along them lines.
504
00:22:19,671 --> 00:22:23,908
He gets lost a lot, like, in
his, uh, memories and ****.
505
00:22:28,215 --> 00:22:31,718
My guess is that something
happened to
506
00:22:31,820 --> 00:22:33,920
some of his kids or his wife.
507
00:22:34,022 --> 00:22:34,955
It's bad.
508
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,900
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514
00:23:03,257 --> 00:23:04,356
Steve: So far,
I've got a family
515
00:23:04,458 --> 00:23:07,627
being physically assaulted
by god knows what
516
00:23:07,729 --> 00:23:11,065
in a house where family got
wiped out in just four years.
517
00:23:11,167 --> 00:23:12,733
But I want to see
if there's anything else.
518
00:23:14,437 --> 00:23:15,437
Searching through old records,
519
00:23:15,539 --> 00:23:17,673
I come across the famous
pillsbury company.
520
00:23:19,209 --> 00:23:22,245
Turns out, the founder once
owned kari and jason's property.
521
00:23:25,651 --> 00:23:28,652
So I'm off to meet a local
genealogist who says, yes,
522
00:23:28,721 --> 00:23:31,556
kari and jason's property
really was owned by the guy
523
00:23:31,658 --> 00:23:33,591
who started
the pillsbury empire.
524
00:23:33,694 --> 00:23:36,462
But she told me the guy's
charmed life came to an end
525
00:23:36,564 --> 00:23:38,364
the second he tried
the sell the land.
526
00:23:45,041 --> 00:23:46,674
So it's good
to see you again, carrie.
527
00:23:46,776 --> 00:23:48,109
Thanks for helping me out
with this case.
528
00:23:48,211 --> 00:23:49,310
On the phone, you mentioned that
529
00:23:49,412 --> 00:23:50,946
one of the original owners
of my clients' property
530
00:23:51,048 --> 00:23:54,718
was this pillsbury guy?
- Yes, john sargent pillsbury.
531
00:23:54,820 --> 00:23:57,220
He started off
in the printing industry,
532
00:23:57,322 --> 00:23:58,655
and after a short time,
533
00:23:58,757 --> 00:24:00,791
he kind of decided
it wasn't really for him,
534
00:24:00,893 --> 00:24:02,960
and he went to work
with his brother, george,
535
00:24:03,062 --> 00:24:05,130
at his brother's hardware store.
536
00:24:05,232 --> 00:24:07,365
All right, so obviously
this guy was an entrepreneur.
537
00:24:07,468 --> 00:24:10,103
Did the store that him
and his brother were at
538
00:24:10,205 --> 00:24:11,771
turn into the pillsbury company?
539
00:24:11,873 --> 00:24:13,106
It did not.
540
00:24:13,208 --> 00:24:15,743
He stayed working with
his brother for a short while,
541
00:24:15,845 --> 00:24:16,844
but then eventually,
542
00:24:16,946 --> 00:24:18,879
he decides he wants to make
a way for himself.
543
00:24:18,981 --> 00:24:21,049
In 1855, he moves out
544
00:24:21,151 --> 00:24:23,585
to the minneapolis area
with his new wife, mahala.
545
00:24:23,687 --> 00:24:24,820
- Okay.
- And he opens up
546
00:24:24,922 --> 00:24:26,522
a hardware store.
- The hardware store --
547
00:24:26,624 --> 00:24:27,723
how did it go for him with that?
548
00:24:27,825 --> 00:24:29,358
It went very well.
549
00:24:29,461 --> 00:24:31,261
He was an ambitious entrepreneur
550
00:24:31,363 --> 00:24:33,396
and really built up his store,
551
00:24:33,499 --> 00:24:34,932
allowing him to have
a warehouse,
552
00:24:35,034 --> 00:24:36,667
where he stored
a lot of his goods.
553
00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:41,340
Unfortunately, in roughly
1857, he had a fire.
554
00:24:41,442 --> 00:24:44,878
And in that fire,
he lost all the merchandise
555
00:24:44,980 --> 00:24:46,546
in his warehouse.
- Oh, jeez.
556
00:24:46,648 --> 00:24:48,748
So the cost of that
ran him about
557
00:24:48,850 --> 00:24:51,485
$36,000, which today
558
00:24:51,587 --> 00:24:53,988
would be probably
about $340,000.
559
00:24:54,090 --> 00:24:55,957
All right, so he lost
a big piece of change.
560
00:24:56,059 --> 00:24:57,893
He absolutely did --
wiped him out
561
00:24:57,995 --> 00:24:59,629
for roughly about five years.
562
00:24:59,731 --> 00:25:01,030
Okay, so when does he start
563
00:25:01,132 --> 00:25:02,298
the company we all know
and love?
564
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,733
John actually got together
565
00:25:03,835 --> 00:25:06,003
with his nephew, charles,
- okay.
566
00:25:06,105 --> 00:25:07,704
And started
the pillsbury company.
567
00:25:07,807 --> 00:25:09,474
They did very, very well,
568
00:25:09,576 --> 00:25:11,442
and he used some of that
wealth to actually
569
00:25:11,545 --> 00:25:14,012
invest in the railroads
here in minnesota, as well.
570
00:25:14,114 --> 00:25:16,615
But that wasn't
his only venture.
571
00:25:16,717 --> 00:25:19,419
He actually went into politics
572
00:25:19,521 --> 00:25:21,087
and ran for governor
of the state
573
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:24,926
and won in 1875.
- He's a pretty ambitious guy.
574
00:25:26,196 --> 00:25:29,263
So when did he wind up
acquiring my clients' property?
575
00:25:29,366 --> 00:25:31,233
In late 1887,
576
00:25:31,335 --> 00:25:32,835
he actually purchased
the property.
577
00:25:32,937 --> 00:25:34,971
- Did he live on the land?
- He didn't.
578
00:25:35,073 --> 00:25:37,607
Most people that were buying
property in that timeframe
579
00:25:37,709 --> 00:25:40,077
were buying because they were
speculating for coal
580
00:25:40,179 --> 00:25:41,879
in the area.
- You had mentioned on the phone
581
00:25:41,981 --> 00:25:43,414
that things went to hell for him
582
00:25:43,516 --> 00:25:45,584
when, uh, he tried
selling the property.
583
00:25:45,686 --> 00:25:46,785
Yes, that's true.
584
00:25:46,887 --> 00:25:49,856
In August 1901, he tried
to sell the property.
585
00:25:49,958 --> 00:25:51,858
- Okay.
- And just weeks later,
586
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,595
he ended up finding out
that he had kidney disease.
587
00:25:54,697 --> 00:25:56,430
He developed whooping cough,
588
00:25:56,532 --> 00:25:59,267
and on October 18th of 1901,
589
00:25:59,369 --> 00:26:01,169
he had a ruptured brain vessel,
590
00:26:01,271 --> 00:26:03,905
which, ultimately,
he passed away.
591
00:26:04,007 --> 00:26:05,441
Says here he was 74.
592
00:26:05,543 --> 00:26:07,009
You know, I don't know if
it's coincidence
593
00:26:07,111 --> 00:26:08,210
or what the hell the story is,
594
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,047
but, uh, he tries to sell
my clients' property, then boom.
595
00:26:16,256 --> 00:26:17,221
The old man...
596
00:26:18,491 --> 00:26:21,593
So he feels like,
yeah, it's bad here.
597
00:26:21,695 --> 00:26:23,495
He's saying that other people
come in,
598
00:26:23,597 --> 00:26:24,998
you know, and then
they're all **** up.
599
00:26:27,002 --> 00:26:29,603
He doesn't know why things
are so bad here.
600
00:26:29,705 --> 00:26:31,972
He doesn't understand
it's the aliens.
601
00:26:32,074 --> 00:26:35,176
Here's the thing
is that these people
602
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,212
who -- who were affected, uh,
603
00:26:37,314 --> 00:26:39,715
I think that they're all men.
604
00:26:39,817 --> 00:26:41,884
You know, he's talking
about them owning businesses
605
00:26:41,986 --> 00:26:44,221
or trying to own
business or something.
606
00:26:44,323 --> 00:26:45,989
And, um, and that --
and that -- it's not good.
607
00:26:54,135 --> 00:26:56,402
I saw a lot of disturbing
things on my walk,
608
00:26:56,504 --> 00:26:59,306
but what had me most concerned
are the aliens
609
00:26:59,408 --> 00:27:02,409
that are abducting a living
woman in the master bedroom.
610
00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:06,614
There are four beings
611
00:27:06,716 --> 00:27:07,748
around the bed.
612
00:27:09,219 --> 00:27:12,154
They look like aliens,
like gray aliens
613
00:27:12,256 --> 00:27:14,324
with the big eyes
and the big head.
614
00:27:14,426 --> 00:27:18,561
They all had, like,
a beam of light on them.
615
00:27:18,663 --> 00:27:20,664
They have five fingers.
616
00:27:20,766 --> 00:27:22,866
They did not have
any noses or mouths.
617
00:27:22,969 --> 00:27:24,869
No noses or mouths. Okay.
618
00:27:26,006 --> 00:27:29,041
- Long necks.
- Long necks, okay.
619
00:27:29,143 --> 00:27:31,444
Their arms were
very thin and long.
620
00:27:31,546 --> 00:27:38,552
♪♪
621
00:27:38,654 --> 00:27:40,054
amy,
622
00:27:40,156 --> 00:27:41,289
is this what you saw?
623
00:27:43,159 --> 00:27:44,626
Yes, that's what I saw.
624
00:27:57,643 --> 00:28:05,618
♪♪
625
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,755
steve: Now that amy and I have
completed our investigations,
626
00:28:08,857 --> 00:28:10,691
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
627
00:28:10,793 --> 00:28:13,327
and our clients
for the first time.
628
00:28:15,265 --> 00:28:17,632
So, amy, I want you to meet
kari and jason.
629
00:28:17,734 --> 00:28:20,069
Now, these guys got married
a couple of years ago
630
00:28:20,171 --> 00:28:22,471
and have a blended family
with five kids.
631
00:28:22,573 --> 00:28:27,144
But, as of now, only two of
them are living at home here.
632
00:28:27,246 --> 00:28:29,147
This is sadie, who's 17.
633
00:28:29,249 --> 00:28:30,448
This is kellan, who's 7.
634
00:28:31,484 --> 00:28:33,084
Kellan is the main reason
we're here.
635
00:28:33,186 --> 00:28:35,854
Kari thinks he's getting
the worst of it,
636
00:28:35,956 --> 00:28:37,623
and she doesn't think
it's safe for him to be here.
637
00:28:37,725 --> 00:28:38,958
How long you guys lived here?
638
00:28:39,061 --> 00:28:41,327
I've lived in the home
for a little over six years.
639
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:43,430
Things seemed to pick up
once jason moved in
640
00:28:43,532 --> 00:28:45,633
with sadie.
- Amy: Interesting.
641
00:28:45,735 --> 00:28:49,504
So the first thing
I want to discuss
642
00:28:49,606 --> 00:28:52,774
is going upstairs,
643
00:28:52,876 --> 00:28:55,378
taking a right going
into that room
644
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,949
where it's just the bed.
645
00:28:59,051 --> 00:29:01,685
I felt that the person
646
00:29:01,787 --> 00:29:04,222
who was residing in that room
647
00:29:04,324 --> 00:29:08,460
was suffering from
a pretty extreme bout
648
00:29:08,562 --> 00:29:10,196
of depression,
649
00:29:10,298 --> 00:29:12,965
and this depression
was centered around
650
00:29:13,067 --> 00:29:16,136
a feeling of loss and grief
and confusion.
651
00:29:17,473 --> 00:29:19,373
And due to all of these
652
00:29:19,476 --> 00:29:23,311
intense emotions that this
person is experiencing,
653
00:29:23,413 --> 00:29:27,749
they were triggering
the ability that they have,
654
00:29:27,852 --> 00:29:30,553
which is psychokinesis, or pk.
655
00:29:30,655 --> 00:29:33,089
What can happen
as a result of this
656
00:29:33,191 --> 00:29:36,861
is that sometimes
objects will move.
657
00:29:36,963 --> 00:29:38,229
All right,
so you're in sadie's room.
658
00:29:38,331 --> 00:29:39,131
- All right.
- Okay.
659
00:29:39,233 --> 00:29:41,066
And when I talked to sadie,
660
00:29:41,168 --> 00:29:43,201
she had a lot of experiences
with things moving.
661
00:29:43,303 --> 00:29:44,437
Okay.
662
00:29:44,539 --> 00:29:46,973
But there's something you
should know, though, kellan,
663
00:29:47,075 --> 00:29:49,676
when he's not feeling safe,
664
00:29:49,778 --> 00:29:52,746
he goes into her room
and stays with her.
665
00:29:52,848 --> 00:29:54,649
Well, that explains
the masculine energy,
666
00:29:54,751 --> 00:29:58,186
because I thought it was male.
- As far as depression
667
00:29:58,288 --> 00:29:59,855
and strong emotions,
I know he's only seven,
668
00:29:59,957 --> 00:30:03,159
but you mind telling her about
his biological father?
669
00:30:03,261 --> 00:30:08,465
Yeah, about three years ago,
his biological father,
670
00:30:08,567 --> 00:30:10,034
who was in the marines,
671
00:30:10,136 --> 00:30:13,171
he unfortunately, uh,
did commit suicide.
672
00:30:14,475 --> 00:30:17,643
Since then, he's very sensitive
673
00:30:17,745 --> 00:30:19,612
and in tune to
people's emotions.
674
00:30:19,714 --> 00:30:20,947
He is an empath,
675
00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:24,818
and he cares about other people.
676
00:30:24,921 --> 00:30:26,220
Very interesting.
677
00:30:26,322 --> 00:30:28,088
There's an incident
that happened with him
678
00:30:28,191 --> 00:30:29,457
when he was, what, two and 1/2?
679
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:30,926
- Yeah.
- In the laundry room
680
00:30:31,061 --> 00:30:33,094
you should know about --
tell her what happened.
681
00:30:33,197 --> 00:30:37,833
He was thrown across the room
towards the washing machine.
682
00:30:37,936 --> 00:30:39,937
So I don't know if it
has anything to do
683
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:41,572
with pk when it comes to sadie,
684
00:30:41,674 --> 00:30:45,143
but she's --
she's been scratched.
685
00:30:46,313 --> 00:30:47,579
Amy: That could be.
686
00:30:47,681 --> 00:30:51,016
So jason gets these
scratches constantly.
687
00:30:51,118 --> 00:30:53,954
He's had over 50 of them,
right? 50 incidents?
688
00:30:54,056 --> 00:30:55,655
Jason: Yeah, I've had them.
I've had them for --
689
00:30:55,757 --> 00:30:57,791
for a long, long time.
- Kari: A long time.
690
00:30:57,893 --> 00:30:59,193
That could be pk, then.
691
00:31:00,463 --> 00:31:03,331
So pk --
do you think it's sadie?
692
00:31:03,433 --> 00:31:05,167
Or do you think it's kellan?
693
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:10,974
It's rare for a young child
to exhibit pk,
694
00:31:11,076 --> 00:31:13,611
but I think it's
probably kellan.
695
00:31:17,817 --> 00:31:18,850
Steve: Okay, so what else?
696
00:31:20,220 --> 00:31:22,153
I'm going to discuss, uh,
697
00:31:22,256 --> 00:31:24,924
one of the dead people
that I encountered.
698
00:31:25,026 --> 00:31:26,626
It's an elderly male.
699
00:31:26,728 --> 00:31:28,160
He made me uncomfortable.
700
00:31:28,263 --> 00:31:31,898
His safe space is the basement.
701
00:31:33,536 --> 00:31:34,936
- I hate the basement.
- Yeah.
702
00:31:35,038 --> 00:31:36,904
He stated this and also
showed it to me --
703
00:31:37,007 --> 00:31:41,277
uh, him trying to gain
the attention of a female here,
704
00:31:41,379 --> 00:31:44,848
and he was doing this
by touching or tapping her,
705
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:47,183
like trying to get
her attention.
706
00:31:47,286 --> 00:31:48,953
So when I've been
in the basement,
707
00:31:49,055 --> 00:31:51,355
I've had the sensation of, like,
708
00:31:51,457 --> 00:31:53,892
spider web feeling on my skin,
709
00:31:53,994 --> 00:31:55,861
like touching me.
- Okay, yeah.
710
00:31:55,963 --> 00:31:59,065
He's able to make objects move.
711
00:31:59,167 --> 00:32:02,168
He also is able
to manipulate sound
712
00:32:02,270 --> 00:32:05,072
very easily to create sounds
713
00:32:05,174 --> 00:32:09,110
as though he's kind of
living in the house.
714
00:32:09,212 --> 00:32:10,378
Tell her about
the knocking noises
715
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:11,813
you're hearing down there.
716
00:32:11,915 --> 00:32:14,450
I do hear behind me, like...
717
00:32:14,552 --> 00:32:16,118
[ makes knocking noise ]
718
00:32:16,220 --> 00:32:18,087
- mm-hmm.
- And I'll turn around.
719
00:32:18,189 --> 00:32:19,856
I'm usually home alone,
720
00:32:19,958 --> 00:32:21,091
and there's no one there.
721
00:32:21,193 --> 00:32:22,926
Now, she also mentioned
to me that she hears
722
00:32:23,028 --> 00:32:24,829
growling up in the bedrooms.
- Your bedroom?
723
00:32:24,931 --> 00:32:27,365
Yeah, so I'm thinking
maybe it was some
724
00:32:27,467 --> 00:32:29,335
wildlife in the walls here,
725
00:32:29,437 --> 00:32:31,904
so I brought in a local
pest control expert.
726
00:32:32,006 --> 00:32:34,974
He told me that the knocking
and growling can come
727
00:32:35,077 --> 00:32:37,977
from the flying squirrels that
are pretty common around here.
728
00:32:38,113 --> 00:32:40,014
Now, he gave the place
a complete once-over,
729
00:32:40,116 --> 00:32:43,217
and he saw evidence that
they could have been here.
730
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,986
So maybe it's the old man
making these noises,
731
00:32:45,089 --> 00:32:46,621
or maybe it's
these flying squirrels.
732
00:32:46,724 --> 00:32:48,524
Kari: Wow.
733
00:32:48,626 --> 00:32:51,260
Did you get anything on this
old man when he was alive?
734
00:32:51,363 --> 00:32:54,431
This is what I was able
to get from him.
735
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:57,968
A former owner,
lived and died here,
736
00:32:58,070 --> 00:33:00,939
more than likely
in his seventies.
737
00:33:01,041 --> 00:33:05,878
I'd put him in or around
the forties, possibly earlier.
738
00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:09,383
A lot of his focus was
concerning entrepreneurs
739
00:33:09,485 --> 00:33:13,988
and people starting businesses
in this house or this location.
740
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:16,624
Uh, he said that this place
is not good for them.
741
00:33:16,726 --> 00:33:19,194
He also was talking
about his business.
742
00:33:19,296 --> 00:33:24,567
What I kept seeing were images
of him, uh, handling dirt,
743
00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:26,770
some, like, maybe a miner.
744
00:33:26,872 --> 00:33:29,607
The problem with him is I think
745
00:33:29,709 --> 00:33:31,909
that he had some kind
of dementia.
746
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,680
Steve: A lot of what you said
made me think of
747
00:33:35,783 --> 00:33:39,252
an irish immigrant who moved
into this house in 1914.
748
00:33:39,354 --> 00:33:40,620
Now, his name was john riley,
749
00:33:40,722 --> 00:33:43,157
and him and his wife,
lucy, had six kids.
750
00:33:43,259 --> 00:33:45,325
So you mentioned mining,
and john was an engineer
751
00:33:45,428 --> 00:33:46,660
for one of the local mines here.
752
00:33:46,762 --> 00:33:50,231
One of their sons was actually
pretty famous in this area --
753
00:33:50,333 --> 00:33:52,167
I mean, really famous.
754
00:33:52,269 --> 00:33:54,170
His name was barney riley.
755
00:33:54,272 --> 00:33:57,473
Uh, he was a nationally known
ski jump champion,
756
00:33:57,575 --> 00:33:59,342
but the family suffered
a lot of tragedy.
757
00:33:59,445 --> 00:34:01,778
Barney died suddenly at 47.
758
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,348
Another son died
at the age of 51.
759
00:34:05,585 --> 00:34:09,121
And then in 1936,
john, just like you said,
760
00:34:09,223 --> 00:34:11,657
had dementia, and he died
at the age of 94.
761
00:34:15,163 --> 00:34:16,729
Is it possible it could be
the guy, john?
762
00:34:16,832 --> 00:34:19,433
Yes.
All right.
763
00:34:19,535 --> 00:34:21,502
So now we know john riley.
764
00:34:21,604 --> 00:34:23,572
- Feel bad for the guy.
- Me, too.
765
00:34:23,674 --> 00:34:26,708
But, I mean, potentially
he's causing problems.
766
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:32,081
So, this guy john was very
focused on a tree outside.
767
00:34:32,183 --> 00:34:33,951
Jason: The one right out next
closest to the road?
768
00:34:34,053 --> 00:34:38,857
Yeah, and what he was
showing me by the trees
769
00:34:38,959 --> 00:34:40,658
was what he believed, uh,
770
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,464
to be a native american male
with a top hat.
771
00:34:45,566 --> 00:34:49,002
And then the old man,
john, showed me that there was
772
00:34:49,071 --> 00:34:53,941
another thing that was standing
beside the native american,
773
00:34:54,043 --> 00:34:56,043
and this thing
was seven feet tall.
774
00:34:56,145 --> 00:34:59,815
Both of these
come inside the house.
775
00:34:59,917 --> 00:35:01,483
In sadie's room,
776
00:35:01,585 --> 00:35:06,222
I saw the tall one
standing in the corner
777
00:35:06,324 --> 00:35:10,427
and just staring at the person
that was in that room.
778
00:35:10,530 --> 00:35:12,096
I mean, kellan's seen it.
779
00:35:12,198 --> 00:35:16,268
Kellan has seen,
in sadie's room,
780
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:18,170
a tall, thin figure.
781
00:35:18,273 --> 00:35:19,772
In sadie's room,
782
00:35:19,874 --> 00:35:21,340
you know,
she's almost 18 years old,
783
00:35:21,442 --> 00:35:24,278
and she keeps her light on
all night, because she said,
784
00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:26,613
you know, she feels like
there's somebody watching her.
785
00:35:26,715 --> 00:35:28,850
In her room.
- We all see...
786
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,687
A tall, floor-to-ceiling
787
00:35:32,789 --> 00:35:34,723
black shadow.
788
00:35:34,825 --> 00:35:38,495
Very interesting -- so I make it
into the master bedroom,
789
00:35:38,597 --> 00:35:41,531
and I was seeing things
through the eyes
790
00:35:41,633 --> 00:35:43,668
of a living woman,
and I'm seeing
791
00:35:43,770 --> 00:35:46,571
many shadow people
in the room at the end of bed,
792
00:35:46,673 --> 00:35:48,307
at least four.
793
00:35:48,409 --> 00:35:50,909
And I'm like...
Having sleep paralysis.
794
00:35:51,011 --> 00:35:52,311
I can't move.
795
00:35:52,413 --> 00:35:53,947
Feels like they're asleep,
but they're not.
796
00:35:54,049 --> 00:35:55,214
And I feel,
797
00:35:55,317 --> 00:35:56,482
"oh, god, not again.
798
00:35:56,585 --> 00:35:58,218
Oh, god, not again.
Not again, oh, god."
799
00:35:59,622 --> 00:36:04,092
I do wake up, uh,
pretty much every night.
800
00:36:04,194 --> 00:36:07,062
Sometimes I do have
the paralysis, but then
801
00:36:07,164 --> 00:36:10,266
sometimes I just
look around and, yeah,
802
00:36:10,368 --> 00:36:12,602
there are, like, shadow people.
803
00:36:12,704 --> 00:36:15,272
But then I tell myself,
that's not what I'm seeing.
804
00:36:16,442 --> 00:36:17,875
And where do you sleep?
805
00:36:17,978 --> 00:36:20,845
I know I prefer
to sleep near a window.
806
00:36:20,947 --> 00:36:23,716
Very interesting --
I am blown away,
807
00:36:23,818 --> 00:36:27,119
because I had you guys swapped,
and I think I know
808
00:36:27,221 --> 00:36:29,856
what's going on -- okay.
809
00:36:29,958 --> 00:36:32,258
Damn it --
so the native american guy
810
00:36:32,361 --> 00:36:34,362
and the seven-foot-tall
thing that
811
00:36:34,464 --> 00:36:37,098
was shown to me by the old man,
the shadow figures
812
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,333
in the master bedroom --
813
00:36:38,435 --> 00:36:41,436
that's not what those things
actually were.
814
00:36:43,742 --> 00:36:48,245
So I had a sketch done of what
those things actually are.
815
00:36:56,289 --> 00:36:57,723
What in the **** is this?
816
00:36:59,861 --> 00:37:01,093
Is that what I think it is?
817
00:37:01,195 --> 00:37:02,428
Mm-hmm.
818
00:37:06,969 --> 00:37:09,170
Wow... Are those...
819
00:37:12,442 --> 00:37:14,943
...Aliens?
- Mm-hmm.
820
00:37:15,046 --> 00:37:16,945
- Really?
- Mm-hmm.
821
00:37:20,952 --> 00:37:22,452
Man, my brain is
fried right now.
822
00:37:22,554 --> 00:37:24,855
- Yeah.
- Me, too.
823
00:37:24,957 --> 00:37:26,624
Steve: So what's
going on with them?
824
00:37:26,726 --> 00:37:31,463
One of the things, uh, that
they do or that they can do
825
00:37:31,565 --> 00:37:35,101
is manipulate perception
or perceptual experiences,
826
00:37:35,203 --> 00:37:37,003
which is why you're probably
processing them
827
00:37:37,105 --> 00:37:39,940
as, uh, shadow beings.
828
00:37:40,042 --> 00:37:42,142
So I thought you had
not been abducted.
829
00:37:42,244 --> 00:37:45,246
But it's you who has not
been abducted.
830
00:37:45,348 --> 00:37:46,414
And it's you who has been.
831
00:37:49,087 --> 00:37:50,453
For some odd reason,
832
00:37:50,555 --> 00:37:52,723
I don't feel surprised.
833
00:37:53,826 --> 00:37:55,692
You almost have a look of
relief on your face,
834
00:37:55,794 --> 00:37:57,995
like now I know what
the hell's going on.
835
00:37:58,098 --> 00:38:00,531
I mean, I guess it's better to
know what's happening than
836
00:38:00,633 --> 00:38:02,501
just to not know
what's happening.
837
00:38:02,603 --> 00:38:05,137
So the activity picking up
when he came into the house
838
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,839
kind of makes sense.
- Amy: Oh, yeah.
839
00:38:08,810 --> 00:38:12,178
And I believe one other person
has been abducted,
840
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,183
and this can cause
anxiety disorders,
841
00:38:16,285 --> 00:38:18,553
flashbacks, nightmares,
night terrors --
842
00:38:18,655 --> 00:38:21,523
lot of issues.
- Who was the other person?
843
00:38:24,028 --> 00:38:25,495
I'm wondering if it's kellan.
844
00:38:25,597 --> 00:38:27,230
Kari: Oh...
845
00:38:27,332 --> 00:38:29,767
So when they abduct him,
846
00:38:29,869 --> 00:38:32,002
is he physically gone or just...
- Yes.
847
00:38:32,104 --> 00:38:34,172
- He's physically gone.
- Yes.
848
00:38:34,274 --> 00:38:37,443
And they take him to their ship?
849
00:38:37,545 --> 00:38:39,145
- I don't know.
- Okay.
850
00:38:39,247 --> 00:38:43,483
Yeah, yeah, it really --
it really scares me that, um...
851
00:38:44,586 --> 00:38:49,857
You know, this little guy,
he's got so much going on,
852
00:38:49,959 --> 00:38:51,325
and... He --
853
00:38:51,427 --> 00:38:53,695
he doesn't like to go to bed.
854
00:38:53,798 --> 00:38:56,231
Well, obviously
there's a good reason why.
855
00:38:56,333 --> 00:38:58,201
Yeah, my head hurts.
856
00:38:58,303 --> 00:39:03,607
♪♪
857
00:39:15,757 --> 00:39:17,558
so I don't know who has more
of a shocked look
858
00:39:17,660 --> 00:39:19,560
on their face, me or you guys.
859
00:39:19,662 --> 00:39:22,397
This case is unusual,
to say the least,
860
00:39:22,499 --> 00:39:23,865
but we still have to answer
the big question.
861
00:39:23,967 --> 00:39:25,600
Can you stay here and fight,
862
00:39:25,702 --> 00:39:27,703
or do you need to pack up
and get the hell out of here?
863
00:39:27,805 --> 00:39:29,538
For that answer, I'm gonna
turn it over to amy.
864
00:39:33,779 --> 00:39:35,579
Here's the thing --
865
00:39:35,681 --> 00:39:38,382
I think that you've had...
866
00:39:39,586 --> 00:39:43,288
Experiences with them,
the aliens, your whole life.
867
00:39:43,390 --> 00:39:46,558
Even if you were
to move or relocate,
868
00:39:47,996 --> 00:39:50,263
it doesn't matter, like,
you're gonna --
869
00:39:50,365 --> 00:39:53,200
you're going to continue
to have experiences.
870
00:39:54,370 --> 00:39:57,071
And more than likely,
871
00:39:57,173 --> 00:39:59,140
your son will, too,
872
00:39:59,243 --> 00:40:01,109
because there's
an interest there.
873
00:40:03,815 --> 00:40:05,081
Steve: Can they protect
themselves from that,
874
00:40:05,183 --> 00:40:07,251
or is that something that
there's nothing you can do
875
00:40:07,353 --> 00:40:10,053
about it?
- My suggestion
876
00:40:10,155 --> 00:40:14,225
is researching online
abducted groups.
877
00:40:14,327 --> 00:40:16,527
What is that,
like a support group?
878
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:20,666
Yeah, basically a support group,
they all basically exchange
879
00:40:20,768 --> 00:40:23,370
different techniques that
have worked for them,
880
00:40:23,472 --> 00:40:27,541
ways of handling things,
the situations.
881
00:40:27,644 --> 00:40:29,176
I see you shaking your head --
what's up?
882
00:40:29,279 --> 00:40:31,946
I mean, are we just gonna --
883
00:40:32,048 --> 00:40:34,082
am I just gonna wake up one
day and he's gone
884
00:40:34,184 --> 00:40:35,951
and I never see --
885
00:40:36,053 --> 00:40:37,387
- I mean, is that...
- Oh, that's highly unlikely.
886
00:40:37,489 --> 00:40:40,323
Okay -- what are they --
what are they doing?
887
00:40:40,425 --> 00:40:43,227
Isn't that
the ultimate question?
888
00:40:43,329 --> 00:40:45,029
Now...
889
00:40:45,131 --> 00:40:46,964
What about the old guy,
john riley?
890
00:40:47,066 --> 00:40:48,700
So I have a medium
891
00:40:48,802 --> 00:40:51,603
I would like to come
and assist you,
892
00:40:51,705 --> 00:40:54,006
and the good thing is
is that she actually worked
893
00:40:54,108 --> 00:40:57,210
with elderly patients
and things like that.
894
00:40:57,313 --> 00:41:02,083
So I'm hoping she'll really
be able to handle john
895
00:41:02,185 --> 00:41:05,586
and his situation
and successfully move him on.
896
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:08,390
So...
897
00:41:08,492 --> 00:41:10,259
Unfortunately, this is one of
those investigations
898
00:41:10,361 --> 00:41:11,694
that's very rare.
899
00:41:11,796 --> 00:41:14,864
You can't do anything about
your alien problem,
900
00:41:14,967 --> 00:41:18,035
but you will be able
to move the old guy on.
901
00:41:18,137 --> 00:41:19,036
- Yeah.
- And it's something
902
00:41:19,138 --> 00:41:20,104
you're gonna have to live with,
I mean,
903
00:41:20,206 --> 00:41:21,539
how do you feel about that?
904
00:41:21,641 --> 00:41:24,943
Well, I guess I feel like I've
already been living with it.
905
00:41:25,045 --> 00:41:28,781
I'll do anything
I can to protect my son.
906
00:41:28,883 --> 00:41:30,917
That's number one
for me out of this.
907
00:41:32,521 --> 00:41:34,989
Amy: My hope is jason joins
a support group
908
00:41:35,091 --> 00:41:37,659
so he will be able to protect
himself and kellan
909
00:41:37,761 --> 00:41:39,160
from the aliens.
910
00:41:39,262 --> 00:41:42,598
If the family also brings in
a medium to move on the old man,
911
00:41:42,667 --> 00:41:44,333
they might finally
find the peace
912
00:41:44,435 --> 00:41:45,835
they have been looking for.
913
00:41:45,885 --> 00:41:50,435
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