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amy: It came here for this woman,

and it's huge, at least 9 feet tall.

It's trying to kill my wife.

I was pushed down the stairs.

It's trying to rip the roof off.

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there were 30 bodies that were discovered.

Wow.

It wants inside the house because it wants to kill you.

I'm pissed off.

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amy: Its main emotion is hatred.

I'm hearing a devil's triangle.

My name is amy allan.

I see dead people.

I think he might've been a stalker.

I speak to dead people.

And they speak to me.

He will kill you. He has killed people.

But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.

They're being possessed.

I rely on my partner.

I'm steve dischiavi.

I'm a retired new york city homicide detective.

How many people died here over the years?

And I know every person, every house has secrets.

It's my job to reveal them.

But steve and I never speak...

We never communicate during an investigation.

...Until the very end...

This sketch is like a nightmare.

...When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...

[ crying ] I never thought that the biggest problem was me.

...Or time to get out.

He could, more than likely, kill you.

[ crying ]

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I'm out here in watertown, wisconsin,

it's about an hour west of milwaukee.

I received a call from a woman named pam.

Now, she tells me the paranormal activity is out of control.

It's attacking her and her husband,

destroying their health, their sanity, and their marriage.

Pam says if she doesn't get help soon,

it's going to kill them both.

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amy: I'm seeing this thing

has a very bizarre shaped head,

and it's huge, at least 9 feet tall.

This thing storms in,

and it pushes against my face.

It's impatient. Its main emotion is hatred.

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steve: So, pam, when we spoke on the phone,

sounded like things were pretty bad here,

and you were upset about it.

Yeah, I'm upset about everything

that's happening here.

It's trying to tear apart my marriage and kill me.

That bad?

Yeah, I feel like it's not my house.

Who lives in the house? My husband and I.

Just you two? Yes.

I didn't want to move here.

I had a bad feeling about it,

but my husband insisted, and I went along with him.

When you say you had a bad feeling about the house,

that sounds like abilities.

Do you think you have any? It's possible.

I see things that are going to happen before they happen.

My father used to do that, too.

Amy's always said that it gets passed down

from generation to generation.

That could be the cause of a lot of the activity you're having.

Oh, no.

Alright, pam, do me a favor and give me a list

of what's going on in the house.

Objects are being thrown on their own.

We hear voices.

We see shadows.

We have physical attacks and mood swings.

So the mood swings, describe them for me.

What are we talking about?

We can both come home and be in a happy mood.

We walk through the door. I immediately get angry.

Tim will get angry over nothing.

That's not us.

It's almost like the paranormal

has control over both of us.

Now, you had said your marriage was on the rocks.

Is it because of this?

Yes. I love him more than anything,

but I can't take what's happening anymore.

I'll leave him.

So you're ready to walk if we can't fix this?

Yes.

It's taking me down physically and mentally,

and I can't take much more.

Before I die, I want peace.

Okay.

Amy: There's a living woman here, and this 9-foot-tall thing

definitely came here for this woman.

You feel it staring in those windows,

and you feel like somebody wants to do you harm.

They're definitely hearing it trying to get into the house.

It's crazy, because I feel like at times, it's gentle,

like light tapping on the windows,

knocking at the doors.

But sometimes it's getting pissed,

just trying to rip the roof off.

I don't understand how it hasn't done damage

to the house already.

Why does this thing have kind of different demeanors?

People that died here created this thing,

and their souls went into this thing.

But it's developing its own consciousness

and personality now.

So there's a battle going on within this thing.

Sometimes it's evil,

and sometimes it's just these people needing help.

But when the people are in control of it,

they're looking for someone.

I believe there's a living woman here who has abilities.

The victims want her help to move on.

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steve: Alright, so, pam, this is the basement, obviously.

You don't look too comfortable being here. What's up?

I don't like it. I feel --

I'm not comfortable down here at all.

What's going on?

I hear rocks thrown in the back of the basement.

So it sounds like somebody's throwing rocks against a wall? Correct.

Could it be kids from the neighborhood? No.

So, anything else happen down here?

I saw a black mass.

Where'd you see it? Like right in this area.

Okay. Describe the mass to me.

It was dark and creepy-looking.

I mean, how tall do you think this thing was?

I don't know, about like that?

How wide, maybe?

Alright, so big enough to be a person.

Right. Okay, so, anything else?

I was pushed down stairs.

Alright, so, do me a favor.

Push me as hard as you got pushed.

Okay.

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and there's concrete floor here.

You could've got killed. Oh, yeah.

So what do you think this all means?

I don't know. I feel like somebody's

trying to take over our house, doesn't want us here.

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amy: Watch the stairs.

There have been accidents on the stairs.

That thing, it's managed to be able

to stick its head in over there.

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it's getting in. It's starting to get in.

What happens if this thing manages to get through?

It could try to kill the living woman.

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so, pam, this is a nice bedroom you got here.

What's going on? I have a lot of health issues.

Okay, like what?

I've got heart issues, lung, nauseated, pain.

And you think it's this house that's causing it? Yes.

So, pam, I mean, your health issues,

I'm not so sure how much that has to do with the paranormal.

But on amy's side, she may be able give you some answers.

We'll see. Okay.

I see an old couple, a male and a female,

and they call themselves relatives

of the living woman who has abilities.

They have covered her eyes and ears,

because they don't want her to have abilities.

There seems to be precognitive ability

in this living woman's family,

like knowing things are going to happen,

like so-and-so's going to die in a month, and then it happens.

Ah, I have a headache. The woman who lives here,

who I guess is a descendant of theirs,

is feeling very sick,

you know, is having illnesses because of this

pains throughout her body.

You know, if it's long enough, she could actually,

you know, develop different cancers.

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so, anything else going on in here

a few times, my husband were both awake.

You could feel the mattress going down.

It's like someone sitting on the bed.

Do you see the indentation?

Yeah, it goes down like this.

Has anything else happened?

Yeah. I've had scratches on my arms, back, and legs.

How are your nails? You scratch yourself at night by any chance?

No, I don't really have much for nails.

No, I don't.

Now, do you ever see anything when that's happening?

Well, there's always shadows in here.

One night, I got my face covered where I couldn't see,

like somebody put their hands over my face.

Has anything else happened?

I get touched a lot in here.

Okay. Like what?

The back of my leg gets grabbed and squeezed.

Now, listen, I get cramps at night in my legs really bad

to the point where it feels like

somebody's taking it and just twisting it.

You sure it's not that? Yes.

Got crazy stuff going on. Yeah, it's crazy.

How are you coping with this?

I'm not. I'm ready to run.

Everything's going to hell.

You weren't expecting this in this part of your life,

were you? No, I wasn't.

I was expecting paranormal. I thought it was all movies.

[ chuckles dryly ]

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I walk in here, and I see the old man

who is this living person's relative,

and he's just like, you know, like this

with his -- with his leg crossed.

He thinks he's protecting. But no, you're not.

The living here would feel him sitting there.

He's very physical.

I'm getting that there's the indentation

on the end of the bed.

I'm seeing a woman's legs on the bed,

and he's grabbing them.

I think he might leave marks on her legs.

Matt: What kind of marks would he leave?

Like bruises, little bruises.

He just grabbed my leg,

and he's **** with my leg.

**** what is he doing?

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so, tim, I was talking to your wife today.

She thinks it's pretty dangerous here.

I mean, you agree with that?

I believe for her it's dangerous.

I think whatever it is, is trying to kill my wife.

She was talking to me about the mood swings

and how you guys, you're raging and each other at times.

Is that something you're seeing?

Yeah. My moods have gotten out of control here.

I feel like I'm in a violent rage.

Is this something that just comes over you?

It just comes over me like real fast.

I'll get, like, heart fluttering,

like -- it's like a panic.

So, what have you seen as far as pam's mood change?

It slowly builds up

to where she wants to hit me.

You know I was a cop for over 21 years, right? Yes.

You sure you guys don't need a counselor

and not a paranormal team? Yeah, I'm positive.

So when you guys do fight, I mean,

what's the main fight that you guys are always having?

We fight about our finances a lot, steve.

I was doing something really off-the-wall strange.

I sat up that night, left her asleep,

and got on the internet

and got credit card after credit card after credit card

for no damn reason at all.

Now, did you start using the credit cards?

Yes. Okay, so that's the problem.

I still don't understand why the hell I did it.

When she found out about this credit card stuff,

did she flip out? Yes.

She was super pissed off, which I don't blame her.

Have you stopped ordering credit cards online?

Yeah, but now there's thousands of dollars worth of debt,

and the conflicts still are occurring,

because how the hell are you paying this debt off now?

She's concerned that the marriage is going to fail

because the paranormal causing all this -- this in-fighting.

If it continues the way it is now,

I honestly feel like it will.

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amy: There are some issues.

There's division, big-time.

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mm. Lots of anger.

Do you know what the anger in here stems from?

Everything. I think everything --

there's something financial going on.

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some trust was definitely broken here.

Don't feel very well in here.

Anxious.

I feel really dizzy, very light-headed,

like a panic attack.

Freaking out. Freaking out.

This is a living person's energy.

What's causing it?

I feel like there's anger behind it.

And this person feels, like,

o-overwhelmed by it.

This living person comes here to freak out.

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alright, tim, so do me a favor and go over

some of the experiences you've had.

I've got the feeling of being watched

all the time all over the house.

Any idea if it could be a male, female,

something that was never human, anything like that?

I'm suspecting it's a man.

Alright, so anything else?

I see shadow figures all around the house.

Okay, so, where?

I've seen them in the basement.

I've seen them in the hallway.

What do they look like to you?

Black mist that moves real fast.

So, anything else?

Electronics get messed with often.

Alright, so give me some examples.

Lights go on and off. Tvs go on and off.

So, with all the crap that's going on here,

what the hell do you think it wants?

Think it wants to tear our marriage apart,

torture or kill pam.

If this thing were to be successful

in getting rid of her,

I mean, that would break my heart.

She means the world to me, I mean, like no one other.

Right.

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amy: I'm seeing this dead farmer.

He says he's good with electronics.

What does he do with those?

Television stuff, light stuff,

like turning things on and off.

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he tries to be seen.

He wants them out. He wants them to leave.

He's like, "I'm not trying to get involved with the family.

I'm not trying to, you know, do any of that.

I'm just trying to get them out of here, you know,

because the land's really not good."

so in principle, he's trying to help them.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Something's wrong here.

♪♪

I'm heading over to meet a local genealogist who says

she found something that's definitely going to help me out.

Now, it turns out the original owners of pam and tim's house

had to work real hard to convince his wife to marry him,

only to have the whole thing end in tragedy.

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steve: So, this guy you talked to me about on the phone

that a tragic story, who was he?

His name was edward davies. He was a welsh immigrant

who came here to the united states in 1848.

In 1861, he bought 20 acres of farmland

here in watertown,

and he also built this property.

Tell me about this wife that was so hard for him to get.

What's the story with that?

Well, in 1870, a prominent evangelical

welsh minister named rachel painter

came to the united states,

and she delivered sermons in several american cities.

And edward saw her give a sermon one evening

and instantly fell in love with her.

And he continued to travel to see her sermons in other cities.

And every time he saw her, he asked her to marry him.

And she always said no.

Okay, but she eventually says yes.

She did say yes.

She married him in 1873 and came to watertown

and settled with him to make a family.

Now they're settled on my clients' property.

Yes. And in 1874, they had a daughter, annie.

And in 1876, they had a son named joseph.

Now, I know it gets tragic. What happened?

In 1888,

edward and rachel and their son, joseph, went back to wales

to have an extended visit with welsh relatives.

Annie, who was a teenager at the time, stayed here.

One night while they were in wales,

joseph was reading bible passages to his father

when edward died suddenly of a stroke.

And joseph was 11.

So the guy drops dead right in front of his son.

Yes. He was 57.

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alright, so now he's dead. Do they rush back home?

Yes. But unfortunately,

they did not get back to the united states before

their daughter, annie, developed rheumatic fever

and died after a short illness.

And here is annie's obituary.

Oh, geez. Alright.

So the mother never saw her daughter again. No.

The kid was young. She was only 16, according to this.

So this is a tragic story. It was very tragic.

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the farmer's saying he used to work the land.

He says a lot of people die working on the land.

Spent a lot of time out in the sun.

He's in his 50s.

He goes back to about, you know, like the 1860s.

And I think he died from a heart attack.

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okay. I just got a call from a retired cop

who's helped me out before.

Now, he was flipping through old police reports

and found three separate murders.

All the victims were women.

All were killed in the '80s, and all were murdered

right near pam and tim's house.

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so, otto, good to see you again.

This watertown I'm working, it's a pretty small town.

But you came up with three murders.

Let's talk about the first one.

First one was michelle manders,

a 2-1/2-year-old that went missing.

So, what were the circumstances? What happened?

Well, in the morning of October 14, 1981,

her mother jan went to her bedroom,

missing. Just vanished.

Did they question anybody? What was the story?

One of the neighbors, she happened to be over that night.

And her first statement was she admitted

to opening the door in the middle of the night

and letting out michelle manders outside.

Alright, so that's a little suspicious right there.

It is. About three weeks later,

they find the body of michelle manders

on the banks of the river.

And it so happens to be about 3,600 feet

from your clients' property. What's the cause of death?

Well, the autopsy revealed drowning.

The neighbor, what happened with that?

Did they bring her in? Did they put her in the box?

They just questioned her, took her statement, and that was it.

No arrests were made. They had no evidence for anyone else.

So the case remains unsolved.

Yeah, something doesn't sound right.

Okay, so, what was the second one?

A single mom named karen maier,

on September 15, 1986, was found dead in her home.

What's the circumstances?

She was beaten, stabbed, and shot multiple times.

Okay, so that's a lot of rage.

I'm assuming that has to be somebody she knew.

Well, the next day, her ex-boyfriend joseph iwanowski

walked into the police station

and turned himself in, admitted killing her.

He got put away for life.

However, in 2008, he had been paroled.

So he did at least 20 years before he got out.

Okay, so let's talk about the third one.

It was a 38-year-old lady named resa scobie brunner.

She was found dead in her home by her husband.

She had been beaten to death with an aluminum bat.

Was the husband the first guy they looked at?

Yes, he was. He admitted to the police

that the marriage had some -- many, many serious issues.

When they were not fighting,

they both were dating other people.

They collar this guy?

Actually, he had an alibi.

On the night of the murder,

the husband was with another woman.

Did they ever like anybody else for this?

Well, the victim here, resa, was also on a date

with a man named matthew knapp.

Okay. So the police found matthew,

and they found blood on matthew's clothes.

Okay. Any match with the victim?

Took about a decade before dna advanced enough,

and it was determined that the blood on matthew's clothing

matched resa's blood.

They don't make an arrest for 10 years.

Correct. Did they get a conviction?

Yes, they did.

You know, for a quiet neighborhood,

there's a lot of violence going on.

Yes. Especially domestic violence.

You would never think people would do that to each other.

Not in this community.

Okay.

Amy: I'm seeing this weird tall thing again.

It's made up of so many dead people.

Are people still being added to this thing?

It seems to take on only those who die violently or something.

[ indistinct whispering ]

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is it capable of hurting people?

Yeah, it hates the woman with abilities.

It just wants to kill her.

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steve: So far, I have a couple's marriage falling apart

due to paranormal activity

on a property near the scene of three brutal murders,

but I want to see if there's anything else.

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looking through old records, I find a map

of an old native american burial ground.

Turns out bodies were uncovered real close

to pam and tim's house.

So I reached out to a local historian that I know.

And he says the story of the native americans

in that burial ground

is one of betrayal, heartbreak, and violence.

♪♪

alright, so, this burial ground

that's near my clients' property,

before we even get to that, what do we know about the tribe?

This is the ho-chunk nation, one of the earliest

native american tribes here in wisconsin.

They covered a good portion of wisconsin for a long time.

And they also had a settlement

on the west end of the rock river,

right about where your clients' property is located.

How big were they? Well, at one point,

historians believe close to 20,000.

This dates back into about the 1800s.

They were a very spiritual group

that believed in a lot of rituals.

In fact, the name actually translates into "sacred voice."

so, you know, dave, I've done a lot of these investigations

where native americans always come up, right?

Every time you turn around, they're getting screwed.

How about these guys? What's the story?

Well, what happened was the french white settlers

moving in in the early 1620s,

and that resulted in a large epidemic

which actually wiped out almost 2/3 of the population.

Okay. So, do we know if there's any battles

near my clients' property?

There's nothing documented

that there were any battles in watertown.

But by 1873, most of the tribe

had been relocated out towards nebraska.

Can you imagine somebody coming now, settling,

and trying to get you off your property?

Yeah, exactly. It's a population

that had been almost 20,000

was reduced down to almost 500.

So they were almost wiped out. Almost.

Alright, so let's get to the burial ground.

What do we know about it?

In 1895, they found skeletal remains

about 2,300 feet from where your clients' property's located

on a farm.

Alright. One body. A shame,

but it doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

No, it doesn't. But in 1941,

there were 30 bodies that were discovered.

Wow. Okay.

Some of them were women, some of them were children,

as well as men.

Alright. Any idea what killed these people?

What was found along in the mounds

was a gun and also spearheads.

So based on what we know, it was either violence or disease.

I've heard before that they used to display

some of these bones they found.

What did they do with these guys' bones?

Unfortunately, they were discarded.

So nobody knows what happened to them.

They threw them out. Yes.

Sounds like to me these guys couldn't catch a break, right?

Yeah. But the fact is, look at the resiliency of these people.

And they're still here today,

and they're still flourishing.

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amy: On the land, there were many people killed by men.

Matt: What kind of people?

I think that they might have been native americans.

Do you know who was doing it?

I just know that it was some men.

I don't know if they were, like, with the military

or just some weird random guys who like to kill people.

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and the blood went into the earth.

And then this thing that I saw looking in the windows

was born from their blood and their souls together.

And it equaled hate.

And it grew, too. It used to be really tiny.

When it first popped up, it was small.

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but now it's huge and extremely dangerous.

♪♪

I saw several unsettling things during my walk,

but two concern me the most.

First, the tall creature trying to get into the house.

This thing was gigantic. It's about 9 or 10 feet tall.

And its head was kind of like a funnel shape, like this.

And the hand was unusually large.

Next, I describe the old man grabbing a living woman in bed.

Very thin. He had very, like, hollowed-out cheeks.

It seemed to me that he was more bald.

He had a very large nose, very pointed features.

♪♪

the nose is more -- like, more kind of hawk.

Okay.

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amy, is this what you saw?

Yes.

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steve: Now that amy and I have completed our investigations,

we're ready to reveal our findings to each other

and our clients for the first time.

So, amy, I want to introduce you to a couple.

This is pam and her husband, tim.

Now, they've been married for 20 years,

but since they moved into this house a few years ago,

activity is out of control, and everything's gone to hell.

They think their marriage, their sanity, and their lives

are at risk. And that's why they called us in.

So unless amy's got questions for you guys,

she'll tell us about her walk.

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amy: So, when I walked into the house,

I went down the hallway

and into the two rooms to the right.

And in both rooms, I got hit

with very heavy negative energies

which were coming from the living people here.

There was something about finances.

I saw that all of this led to arguing

and then a division between these two people.

You just hit on a big reason why pam and tim called us in.

You said they were fighting over finances.

Well, you might as well tell her, tim.

I would sit up wee hours of the morning,

and constantly get more credit cards, one after the other.

I have no idea why.

I mean, I had like 50 credit cards after a while.

How -- okay.

With finances, we've fought about that a lot.

Still do.

Now, do me a favor.

Tell amy about the mood swings you guys are having.

We can be gone, away from the house, and we're happy

and having a good time, and all is great.

And we walk in the house, within a half hour,

we're at each other's throats.

I've had a lot of violent rages towards her in the house.

And you've not had these issues prior to moving in here? No.

No? Okay.

And he looks like he's just not tim.

Not him. He's not acting like tim.

He's not even -- his behavior isn't tim.

It's like, I want tim back.

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so, what else?

Okay. So, I did get

that there is a living woman here who has abilities.

I was told that you are a psychic

and that you're a healer. I think by moving in here,

one of your latent abilities is coming up,

and I think it's mediumship, alright?

Oh, good god.

And that's important as to what's all going on here.

Oh, god.

Are you surprised hearing about her abilities?

Yeah, I'm surprised by the medium stuff.

I was also told that these abilities run in your family

and that a lot of the psychic and the precognitive --

so, precognitive being getting information about events

that happen in the future and them coming to pass.

[ sighs ]

my mother, I saw how she was going to die.

So did she die the way that you saw?

Yes, she did. It's scaring the hell out of me.

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steve: So, what else did you encounter?

The first dead people I would like to discuss

is a couple that I met.

The couple is here because they are related

to the living woman in the house.

There is a female. She's older,

in her late 60s, stocky build.

Sounds like my grandma.

The male is tall and thin and balding.

The older man has abilities

and stated that they do run in his family.

So they're here because they don't want you

to have paranormal experiences.

What they're doing to you to try to prevent this

is they're literally

covering your eyes and covering your ears.

Okay. I was sleeping or half asleep --

I wasn't fully asleep,

and something came over my eyes, and I couldn't --

it was like I was being held there, and I couldn't see.

This can make you sick.

Headaches, definitely. Pain throughout your body.

And if they continue to do what they're doing,

you could potentially also develop cancer.

That's one of the main reasons we're here.

I mean, pam's 62,

but she's got health issues for somebody much, much older.

My heart's stiff, and now I'm on this medicine.

So I'm sick a lot and tired.

Pam said she thought the woman

sounded like a grandmother.

We actually have a photo here of her grandparents.

Oh, wow, really? Yeah.

So you're pretty convinced

that these are the two you might have run into.

I mean, yeah.

Alright, so now we know

it's your grandparents that are here

trying to protect you from the paranormal.

I could see my grandma, doing that, yeah, my grandpa.

So, is there anything else that they're doing?

Yes. The older man is the one in charge.

And when I went into the bedroom

at the end of the hall to the left --

so, I'm thinking this is the master.

Right, that's your bedroom.

I saw him in there.

And he sees himself as the protector.

He was sitting on the edge of the bed.

And I was wondering if when he sits on the edge of the bed,

if you feel the indentation.

I think he would wake the living person up,

and they would feel him watching them.

It felt like somebody was sitting on the bed.

And it always felt like

somebody was on my side of the bed watching me.

But she's actually seen the indentation in the bed.

Yeah, the indentation in the bed.

Mm-hmm. Grandpa.

But you also felt watched all over the house, right?

Yeah, constantly, no matter where I am.

I did get to see a little bit of his kind of dark side.

I'm seeing a woman's legs on the bed,

and he's grabbing them.

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I think he might leave marks on the legs.

And I did have a sketch done

of what I saw in that moment.

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oh, geez, looks just like him, too.

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oh, good god.

Grandpa, what are you doing?

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some nights, I get really bad pains in my legs.

Mm-hmm.

So, why do you think you would get frustrated?

I'm not paying attention and listening.

Tim: I've honestly picked up, like, this vibe

that there's something here

that wants us to get the hell out of here, constantly.

And I always got the feeling like somebody's trying to --

somebody wanted me to die.

Well, that's something else.

Oh.

It's very unusual looking.

It's very, very big,

I'd say over 9 feet tall.

All I know is that it formed a long time ago.

I got that there was some kind of event outside

that did kill, I believe, some native americans.

I saw them being really horribly murdered.

And this thing was born

from their blood

going into the earth.

It also bound all of their souls together.

The other thing it's been doing since then

is that anybody who dies a violent death in this area,

it collects their souls.

There's some native american history in this town

that you really need to know about.

Before watertown was founded,

the native american tribe called the ho-chunk lived here.

I actually got some photos of, you know,

what life was like for these guys back then.

So, at one point, they had 20,000 of them

living in this state.

After the first contact with the french in the 1620s,

it was nothing but death, violence, and misery for them.

So now the first thing to happen was

an epidemic wiped out 2/3 of their tribe.

Finally, in the 1840s,

the u.S. Government forced them out of the state

and made them live in a reservation in nebraska.

So now the white settlers, once they came in

and pushed the ho-chunk tribe out,

they started digging up the land.

Oh, no. So they ended up finding

a bunch of bodies about 2,300 feet from here.

Ohh.

Now, the expert I spoke to said they will never know for sure

how they died because they just threw the bones out,

believe it or not. What? Okay.

Yeah. Okay.

But when they found them,

there was hundreds of spears and one gun buried with them.

It's logical to assume that they died a violent death.

Well, that's crazy.

Wow.

So, you said you're worried about this tall thing.

Why?

So, I saw it, like, kind of banging on the walls

and then jumping on the roof

and, like, trying to pull the roof up.

The other thing, though,

that it does, it will tap lightly,

like on the windows, or even it showed me

knocking -- softly knocking at the front door.

Didn't you say you heard rocks?

It sounds like stones are being thrown,

and tim's found stones out of place.

They're all over by the wall.

Oh. Down here?

- Yeah. - Yeah. Is that something

that sounds like this creature?

Yes.

Oh, good god.

So what this thing is,

it's like a split personality. Okay?

Sometimes the souls of the murdered native americans

are in control,

but sometimes the entity is in control.

They're constantly battling each other.

The reason why you come into play

is because these dead people

want help to move them on,

to save them.

Can I leave for a minute?

Okay.

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[ pam crying ]

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[ breathes shakily, sniffles ]

you okay? Yeah.

I know. It's a lot to hear.

Damn, I wasn't expecting that.

They want you to move them on.

But of course, "it" now has --

its own animal-like personality

does not want that to happen.

And its goal is it wants inside the house,

because it wants to kill you, because it sees you as a threat.

When I came down into the basement,

it found a weak spot over there.

And it's gotten its head through.

Oh, god.

And I did have a sketch done of what I saw.

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ooh.

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you're probably not going to want to look at that, but --

oh ****

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I don't want to die like this.

I already see what you're going to say

at the end of this whole thing --

that we're going to have to move, and that's --

steve: Well, let's wait a second.

No, 'cause I'm starting to get a little pissed off.

Steve: You guys are jumping to conclusions.

I'm sorry.

You're at step 12, and we're at step 8.

I don't even care anymore. I'm pissed off.

I'm going to walk away.

Alright.

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you okay?

- Yeah. - Okay.

So, when I talked to you guys the other day,

I knew things were bad here,

but I didn't realize how bad.

Now we're going to answer your big question.

Can you stay and fight,

or do you need to leave and cut your losses?

For that answer, I'm going to turn it over to amy.

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amy: As far as the thing,

I would like my team to come

and move on the dead from it

so that their souls can be free finally

and for them to remove what remains of it.

And that will get rid of this thing?

Yes.

I would also like them to speak with your grandparents,

because I know that your grandmother

would very much like to move on.

So I'm hoping that the team can convince your grandfather,

as well, to move on, so that both of them can be free.

I would also like to say that I think

you guys obviously have been through a lot.

I would highly recommend going to marriage counseling

to rebuild your marriage and heal

from the last few years of -- from all of this.

So it sounds like they can stay.

Yeah.

Do you feel better about everything now?

Yes, I actually do,

knowing that it can be corrected and I don't have to move,

because I felt like it would be never-ending.

You sound better than you did an hour ago.

I feel much better. I know what I have,

and I know what's going on.

And I know that it can be taken care of.

That mean you're going to do what amy tells you?

Yeah. Yes.

Yeah? Okay.

Yeah, you guys were great.

Thank you.

Amy: I really hope pam and tim contact the team

to clear the tall thing

and the dead from their property.

If they do that and seek counseling

to heal their marriage,

I believe they will be on their way

to finding the happiness they deserve.

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