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♪♪
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amy:
It came here for this woman,
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and it's huge,
at least 9 feet tall.
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It's trying to kill my wife.
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I was pushed down the stairs.
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It's trying to rip the roof off.
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there were 30 bodies
that were discovered.
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Wow.
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It wants inside the house
because it wants to kill you.
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I'm pissed off.
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♪♪
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amy:
Its main emotion is hatred.
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I'm hearing a devil's triangle.
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My name is amy allan.
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I see dead people.
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I think he might've
been a stalker.
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I speak to dead people.
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And they speak to me.
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He will kill you.
He has killed people.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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They're being possessed.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm steve dischiavi.
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I'm a retired new york city
homicide detective.
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How many people died here
over the years?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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But steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...Until the very end...
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This sketch is like a nightmare.
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...When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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[ crying ] I never thought
that the biggest problem was me.
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...Or time to get out.
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He could, more than likely,
kill you.
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[ crying ]
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♪♪
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I'm out here
in watertown, wisconsin,
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it's about an hour
west of milwaukee.
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I received a call
from a woman named pam.
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Now, she tells me the paranormal
activity is out of control.
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It's attacking her
and her husband,
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destroying their health, their
sanity, and their marriage.
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Pam says if she doesn't
get help soon,
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it's going to kill them both.
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amy: I'm seeing this thing
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has a very bizarre shaped head,
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and it's huge,
at least 9 feet tall.
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This thing storms in,
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and it pushes against my face.
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It's impatient.
Its main emotion is hatred.
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♪♪
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steve: So, pam,
when we spoke on the phone,
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sounded like things
were pretty bad here,
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and you were upset about it.
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Yeah, I'm upset about everything
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that's happening here.
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It's trying to tear apart
my marriage and kill me.
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That bad?
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Yeah, I feel like
it's not my house.
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Who lives in the house?
My husband and I.
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Just you two?
Yes.
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I didn't want to move here.
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I had a bad feeling about it,
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but my husband insisted,
and I went along with him.
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When you say you had a bad
feeling about the house,
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that sounds like abilities.
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Do you think you have any?
It's possible.
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I see things that are going
to happen before they happen.
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My father used to do that, too.
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Amy's always said
that it gets passed down
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from generation to generation.
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That could be the cause of a lot
of the activity you're having.
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Oh, no.
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Alright, pam, do me a favor
and give me a list
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of what's going on in the house.
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Objects are being thrown
on their own.
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We hear voices.
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We see shadows.
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We have physical attacks
and mood swings.
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So the mood swings,
describe them for me.
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What are we talking about?
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We can both come home
and be in a happy mood.
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We walk through the door.
I immediately get angry.
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Tim will get angry over nothing.
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That's not us.
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It's almost like the paranormal
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has control over both of us.
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Now, you had said
your marriage was on the rocks.
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Is it because of this?
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Yes.
I love him more than anything,
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but I can't take
what's happening anymore.
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I'll leave him.
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So you're ready to walk
if we can't fix this?
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Yes.
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It's taking me down physically
and mentally,
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and I can't take much more.
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Before I die, I want peace.
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Okay.
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Amy: There's a living woman
here, and this 9-foot-tall thing
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definitely came here
for this woman.
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You feel it staring
in those windows,
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and you feel like somebody
wants to do you harm.
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They're definitely hearing it
trying to get into the house.
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It's crazy, because I feel like
at times, it's gentle,
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like light tapping
on the windows,
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knocking at the doors.
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But sometimes
it's getting pissed,
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just trying to rip the roof off.
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I don't understand
how it hasn't done damage
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to the house already.
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Why does this thing have
kind of different demeanors?
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People that died here
created this thing,
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and their souls
went into this thing.
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But it's developing
its own consciousness
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and personality now.
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So there's a battle
going on within this thing.
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Sometimes it's evil,
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and sometimes it's just
these people needing help.
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But when the people
are in control of it,
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they're looking for someone.
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I believe there's a living woman
here who has abilities.
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The victims want her help
to move on.
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♪♪
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steve: Alright, so, pam, this is
the basement, obviously.
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You don't look too comfortable
being here. What's up?
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I don't like it.
I feel --
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I'm not comfortable
down here at all.
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What's going on?
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I hear rocks thrown in the back
of the basement.
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So it sounds like somebody's throwing
rocks against a wall? Correct.
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Could it be kids from
the neighborhood? No.
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So, anything else
happen down here?
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I saw a black mass.
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Where'd you see it?
Like right in this area.
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Okay.
Describe the mass to me.
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It was dark and creepy-looking.
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I mean, how tall
do you think this thing was?
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I don't know, about like that?
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How wide, maybe?
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Alright, so big enough
to be a person.
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Right.
Okay, so, anything else?
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I was pushed down stairs.
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Alright, so, do me a favor.
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Push me as hard
as you got pushed.
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Okay.
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and there's concrete floor here.
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You could've got killed.
Oh, yeah.
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So what do you think
this all means?
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I don't know.
I feel like somebody's
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trying to take over our house,
doesn't want us here.
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amy: Watch the stairs.
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There have been accidents
on the stairs.
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That thing,
it's managed to be able
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to stick its head in over there.
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it's getting in.
It's starting to get in.
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What happens if this thing
manages to get through?
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It could try to kill
the living woman.
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♪♪
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so, pam, this is a nice bedroom
you got here.
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What's going on?
I have a lot of health issues.
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Okay, like what?
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I've got heart issues,
lung, nauseated, pain.
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And you think it's this
house that's causing it? Yes.
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So, pam, I mean,
your health issues,
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I'm not so sure how much that
has to do with the paranormal.
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But on amy's side, she may be
able give you some answers.
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We'll see.
Okay.
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I see an old couple,
a male and a female,
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and they call themselves
relatives
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of the living woman
who has abilities.
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They have covered
her eyes and ears,
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because they don't want her
to have abilities.
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There seems to be
precognitive ability
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in this living woman's family,
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like knowing things
are going to happen,
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like so-and-so's going to die
in a month, and then it happens.
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Ah, I have a headache.
The woman who lives here,
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who I guess is
a descendant of theirs,
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is feeling very sick,
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you know, is having illnesses
because of this
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pains throughout her body.
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You know, if it's long enough,
she could actually,
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you know,
develop different cancers.
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♪♪
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so, anything else going on
in here
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a few times,
my husband were both awake.
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You could feel the mattress
going down.
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It's like someone
sitting on the bed.
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Do you see the indentation?
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Yeah, it goes down like this.
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Has anything else happened?
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Yeah. I've had scratches
on my arms, back, and legs.
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How are your nails? You scratch
yourself at night by any chance?
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No, I don't really
have much for nails.
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No, I don't.
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Now, do you ever see anything
when that's happening?
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Well, there's always
shadows in here.
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One night, I got my face covered
where I couldn't see,
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like somebody put their hands
over my face.
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Has anything else happened?
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I get touched a lot in here.
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Okay. Like what?
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The back of my leg
gets grabbed and squeezed.
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Now, listen, I get cramps
at night in my legs really bad
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to the point where it feels like
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somebody's taking it
and just twisting it.
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You sure it's not that?
Yes.
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Got crazy stuff going on.
Yeah, it's crazy.
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How are you coping with this?
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I'm not.
I'm ready to run.
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Everything's going to hell.
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You weren't expecting this
in this part of your life,
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were you?
No, I wasn't.
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I was expecting paranormal.
I thought it was all movies.
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[ chuckles dryly ]
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♪♪
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I walk in here,
and I see the old man
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who is this
living person's relative,
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and he's just like,
you know, like this
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with his --
with his leg crossed.
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He thinks he's protecting.
But no, you're not.
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The living here
would feel him sitting there.
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He's very physical.
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I'm getting
that there's the indentation
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on the end of the bed.
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I'm seeing a woman's legs
on the bed,
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and he's grabbing them.
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I think he might
leave marks on her legs.
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Matt: What kind of marks
would he leave?
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Like bruises, little bruises.
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He just grabbed my leg,
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and he's **** with my leg.
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**** what is he doing?
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♪♪
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so, tim, I was talking
to your wife today.
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She thinks
it's pretty dangerous here.
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I mean, you agree with that?
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I believe for her
it's dangerous.
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I think whatever it is,
is trying to kill my wife.
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She was talking to me
about the mood swings
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and how you guys, you're raging
and each other at times.
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Is that something you're seeing?
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Yeah. My moods have gotten
out of control here.
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I feel like
I'm in a violent rage.
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Is this something
that just comes over you?
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It just comes over me
like real fast.
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I'll get, like,
heart fluttering,
256
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like -- it's like a panic.
257
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So, what have you seen
as far as pam's mood change?
258
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It slowly builds up
259
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to where she wants to hit me.
260
00:11:31,763 --> 00:11:33,963
You know I was a cop for over 21
years, right? Yes.
261
00:11:33,965 --> 00:11:35,598
You sure you guys
don't need a counselor
262
00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,503
and not a paranormal team?
Yeah, I'm positive.
263
00:11:39,505 --> 00:11:40,737
So when you guys do fight,
I mean,
264
00:11:40,739 --> 00:11:43,274
what's the main fight that
you guys are always having?
265
00:11:43,276 --> 00:11:46,244
We fight about
our finances a lot, steve.
266
00:11:46,246 --> 00:11:49,515
I was doing something really
off-the-wall strange.
267
00:11:49,517 --> 00:11:53,119
I sat up that night,
left her asleep,
268
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and got on the internet
269
00:11:55,090 --> 00:11:58,526
and got credit card after
credit card after credit card
270
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for no damn reason at all.
271
00:12:00,663 --> 00:12:02,831
Now, did you start using
the credit cards?
272
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Yes.
Okay, so that's the problem.
273
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I still don't understand
why the hell I did it.
274
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When she found out
about this credit card stuff,
275
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did she flip out?
Yes.
276
00:12:10,876 --> 00:12:14,478
She was super pissed off,
which I don't blame her.
277
00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,614
Have you stopped
ordering credit cards online?
278
00:12:16,616 --> 00:12:20,051
Yeah, but now there's thousands
of dollars worth of debt,
279
00:12:20,053 --> 00:12:21,954
and the conflicts
still are occurring,
280
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because how the hell are you
paying this debt off now?
281
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She's concerned that
the marriage is going to fail
282
00:12:28,898 --> 00:12:32,267
because the paranormal causing
all this -- this in-fighting.
283
00:12:32,269 --> 00:12:34,469
If it continues
the way it is now,
284
00:12:34,471 --> 00:12:37,273
I honestly feel like it will.
285
00:12:37,275 --> 00:12:42,178
♪♪
286
00:12:42,180 --> 00:12:44,381
amy:
There are some issues.
287
00:12:44,383 --> 00:12:47,551
There's division, big-time.
288
00:12:47,553 --> 00:12:49,620
♪♪
289
00:12:49,622 --> 00:12:51,923
mm. Lots of anger.
290
00:12:51,925 --> 00:12:54,059
Do you know what the anger
in here stems from?
291
00:12:54,061 --> 00:12:55,661
Everything.
I think everything --
292
00:12:55,663 --> 00:12:58,564
there's something financial
going on.
293
00:12:58,566 --> 00:13:00,566
♪♪
294
00:13:00,568 --> 00:13:04,939
some trust was
definitely broken here.
295
00:13:04,941 --> 00:13:09,844
Don't feel very well in here.
296
00:13:09,846 --> 00:13:11,212
Anxious.
297
00:13:11,214 --> 00:13:14,050
I feel really dizzy,
very light-headed,
298
00:13:14,052 --> 00:13:15,651
like a panic attack.
299
00:13:15,653 --> 00:13:17,654
Freaking out. Freaking out.
300
00:13:17,656 --> 00:13:19,656
This is
a living person's energy.
301
00:13:19,658 --> 00:13:21,825
What's causing it?
302
00:13:21,827 --> 00:13:24,996
I feel like
there's anger behind it.
303
00:13:24,998 --> 00:13:29,034
And this person feels, like,
304
00:13:29,036 --> 00:13:32,706
o-overwhelmed by it.
305
00:13:32,708 --> 00:13:35,709
This living person
comes here to freak out.
306
00:13:35,711 --> 00:13:41,749
♪♪
307
00:13:41,751 --> 00:13:43,251
alright, tim,
so do me a favor and go over
308
00:13:43,253 --> 00:13:44,953
some of the experiences
you've had.
309
00:13:44,955 --> 00:13:48,658
I've got the feeling
of being watched
310
00:13:48,660 --> 00:13:50,660
all the time all over the house.
311
00:13:50,662 --> 00:13:53,998
Any idea if it could be
a male, female,
312
00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,799
something that was never human,
anything like that?
313
00:13:55,801 --> 00:13:59,637
I'm suspecting it's a man.
314
00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:01,006
Alright, so anything else?
315
00:14:01,008 --> 00:14:04,143
I see shadow figures
all around the house.
316
00:14:04,145 --> 00:14:06,212
Okay, so, where?
317
00:14:06,214 --> 00:14:08,181
I've seen them in the basement.
318
00:14:08,183 --> 00:14:09,783
I've seen them in the hallway.
319
00:14:09,785 --> 00:14:11,351
What do they look like to you?
320
00:14:11,353 --> 00:14:13,988
Black mist that moves real fast.
321
00:14:13,990 --> 00:14:15,723
So, anything else?
322
00:14:15,725 --> 00:14:18,427
Electronics
get messed with often.
323
00:14:18,429 --> 00:14:20,262
Alright, so
give me some examples.
324
00:14:20,264 --> 00:14:23,600
Lights go on and off.
Tvs go on and off.
325
00:14:23,602 --> 00:14:25,101
So, with all the crap
that's going on here,
326
00:14:25,103 --> 00:14:26,870
what the hell
do you think it wants?
327
00:14:26,872 --> 00:14:29,607
Think it wants
to tear our marriage apart,
328
00:14:29,609 --> 00:14:32,343
torture or kill pam.
329
00:14:32,345 --> 00:14:34,112
If this thing
were to be successful
330
00:14:34,114 --> 00:14:36,114
in getting rid of her,
331
00:14:36,116 --> 00:14:38,284
I mean, that would
break my heart.
332
00:14:38,286 --> 00:14:42,588
She means the world to me,
I mean, like no one other.
333
00:14:42,590 --> 00:14:44,124
Right.
334
00:14:44,126 --> 00:14:46,927
♪♪
335
00:14:46,929 --> 00:14:51,066
amy:
I'm seeing this dead farmer.
336
00:14:51,068 --> 00:14:53,769
He says he's good
with electronics.
337
00:14:53,771 --> 00:14:56,105
What does he do with those?
338
00:14:56,107 --> 00:14:59,409
Television stuff, light stuff,
339
00:14:59,411 --> 00:15:01,711
like turning things on and off.
340
00:15:01,713 --> 00:15:03,714
♪♪
341
00:15:03,716 --> 00:15:05,883
he tries to be seen.
342
00:15:05,885 --> 00:15:07,953
He wants them out.
He wants them to leave.
343
00:15:07,955 --> 00:15:10,322
He's like, "I'm not trying
to get involved with the family.
344
00:15:10,324 --> 00:15:13,326
I'm not trying to,
you know, do any of that.
345
00:15:13,328 --> 00:15:15,628
I'm just trying to get them
out of here, you know,
346
00:15:15,630 --> 00:15:18,599
because the land's
really not good."
347
00:15:18,601 --> 00:15:20,334
so in principle,
he's trying to help them.
348
00:15:20,336 --> 00:15:22,470
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Something's wrong here.
349
00:15:28,913 --> 00:15:36,920
♪♪
350
00:15:36,922 --> 00:15:39,224
I'm heading over to meet
a local genealogist who says
351
00:15:39,226 --> 00:15:41,860
she found something that's
definitely going to help me out.
352
00:15:41,862 --> 00:15:45,664
Now, it turns out the original
owners of pam and tim's house
353
00:15:45,666 --> 00:15:48,201
had to work real hard to
convince his wife to marry him,
354
00:15:48,203 --> 00:15:50,704
only to have the whole thing
end in tragedy.
355
00:15:50,706 --> 00:15:56,611
♪♪
356
00:15:56,613 --> 00:15:58,780
steve: So, this guy you talked
to me about on the phone
357
00:15:58,782 --> 00:16:00,716
that a tragic story, who was he?
358
00:16:00,718 --> 00:16:04,220
His name was edward davies.
He was a welsh immigrant
359
00:16:04,222 --> 00:16:07,423
who came here to the united
states in 1848.
360
00:16:07,425 --> 00:16:10,828
In 1861, he bought
20 acres of farmland
361
00:16:10,830 --> 00:16:12,363
here in watertown,
362
00:16:12,365 --> 00:16:14,065
and he also built this property.
363
00:16:14,067 --> 00:16:16,168
Tell me about this wife
that was so hard for him to get.
364
00:16:16,170 --> 00:16:17,269
What's the story with that?
365
00:16:17,271 --> 00:16:21,174
Well, in 1870,
a prominent evangelical
366
00:16:21,176 --> 00:16:25,012
welsh minister
named rachel painter
367
00:16:25,014 --> 00:16:26,413
came to the united states,
368
00:16:26,415 --> 00:16:29,717
and she delivered sermons
in several american cities.
369
00:16:29,719 --> 00:16:32,620
And edward saw her
give a sermon one evening
370
00:16:32,622 --> 00:16:34,623
and instantly
fell in love with her.
371
00:16:34,625 --> 00:16:39,129
And he continued to travel to
see her sermons in other cities.
372
00:16:39,131 --> 00:16:42,499
And every time he saw her,
he asked her to marry him.
373
00:16:42,501 --> 00:16:43,734
And she always said no.
374
00:16:43,736 --> 00:16:45,570
Okay, but she
eventually says yes.
375
00:16:45,572 --> 00:16:46,871
She did say yes.
376
00:16:46,873 --> 00:16:50,509
She married him in 1873
and came to watertown
377
00:16:50,511 --> 00:16:53,145
and settled with him
to make a family.
378
00:16:53,147 --> 00:16:55,114
Now they're settled
on my clients' property.
379
00:16:55,116 --> 00:16:58,786
Yes. And in 1874,
they had a daughter, annie.
380
00:16:58,788 --> 00:17:01,855
And in 1876,
they had a son named joseph.
381
00:17:01,857 --> 00:17:03,558
Now, I know it gets tragic.
What happened?
382
00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,193
In 1888,
383
00:17:05,195 --> 00:17:09,365
edward and rachel and their son,
joseph, went back to wales
384
00:17:09,367 --> 00:17:12,535
to have an extended visit
with welsh relatives.
385
00:17:12,537 --> 00:17:15,772
Annie, who was a teenager
at the time, stayed here.
386
00:17:15,774 --> 00:17:18,141
One night
while they were in wales,
387
00:17:18,143 --> 00:17:21,145
joseph was reading
bible passages to his father
388
00:17:21,147 --> 00:17:24,483
when edward died
suddenly of a stroke.
389
00:17:24,485 --> 00:17:26,352
And joseph was 11.
390
00:17:26,354 --> 00:17:28,153
So the guy drops dead
right in front of his son.
391
00:17:28,155 --> 00:17:30,724
Yes. He was 57.
392
00:17:30,726 --> 00:17:32,726
♪♪
393
00:17:32,728 --> 00:17:35,162
alright, so now he's dead.
Do they rush back home?
394
00:17:35,164 --> 00:17:36,797
Yes. But unfortunately,
395
00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:39,635
they did not get back
to the united states before
396
00:17:39,637 --> 00:17:42,204
their daughter, annie,
developed rheumatic fever
397
00:17:42,206 --> 00:17:44,340
and died after a short illness.
398
00:17:44,342 --> 00:17:47,710
And here is annie's obituary.
399
00:17:47,712 --> 00:17:49,046
Oh, geez. Alright.
400
00:17:49,048 --> 00:17:51,315
So the mother never saw
her daughter again. No.
401
00:17:51,317 --> 00:17:54,252
The kid was young. She was
only 16, according to this.
402
00:17:54,254 --> 00:17:57,422
So this is a tragic story.
It was very tragic.
403
00:17:57,424 --> 00:18:00,426
♪♪
404
00:18:00,428 --> 00:18:04,064
the farmer's saying
he used to work the land.
405
00:18:04,066 --> 00:18:08,903
He says a lot of people die
working on the land.
406
00:18:08,905 --> 00:18:11,372
Spent a lot of time
out in the sun.
407
00:18:11,374 --> 00:18:12,674
He's in his 50s.
408
00:18:12,676 --> 00:18:16,779
He goes back to about,
you know, like the 1860s.
409
00:18:16,781 --> 00:18:19,416
And I think he died
from a heart attack.
410
00:18:19,418 --> 00:18:22,485
♪♪
411
00:18:22,487 --> 00:18:24,555
okay. I just got a call
from a retired cop
412
00:18:24,557 --> 00:18:25,923
who's helped me out before.
413
00:18:25,925 --> 00:18:28,225
Now, he was flipping through
old police reports
414
00:18:28,227 --> 00:18:30,729
and found
three separate murders.
415
00:18:30,731 --> 00:18:32,331
All the victims were women.
416
00:18:32,333 --> 00:18:35,335
All were killed in the '80s,
and all were murdered
417
00:18:35,337 --> 00:18:37,603
right near pam and tim's house.
418
00:18:37,605 --> 00:18:43,243
♪♪
419
00:18:43,245 --> 00:18:45,280
so, otto, good to see you again.
420
00:18:45,282 --> 00:18:47,282
This watertown I'm working,
it's a pretty small town.
421
00:18:47,284 --> 00:18:48,717
But you came up
with three murders.
422
00:18:48,719 --> 00:18:50,052
Let's talk about the first one.
423
00:18:50,054 --> 00:18:52,088
First one was michelle manders,
424
00:18:52,090 --> 00:18:55,592
a 2-1/2-year-old
that went missing.
425
00:18:55,594 --> 00:18:57,461
So, what were the circumstances?
What happened?
426
00:18:57,463 --> 00:19:00,298
Well, in the morning
of October 14, 1981,
427
00:19:00,300 --> 00:19:02,367
her mother jan
went to her bedroom,
428
00:19:02,369 --> 00:19:04,136
missing. Just vanished.
429
00:19:04,138 --> 00:19:06,071
Did they question anybody?
What was the story?
430
00:19:06,073 --> 00:19:08,674
One of the neighbors, she
happened to be over that night.
431
00:19:08,676 --> 00:19:10,844
And her first statement
was she admitted
432
00:19:10,846 --> 00:19:13,313
to opening the door
in the middle of the night
433
00:19:13,315 --> 00:19:16,617
and letting out
michelle manders outside.
434
00:19:16,619 --> 00:19:18,319
Alright, so that's
a little suspicious right there.
435
00:19:18,321 --> 00:19:19,888
It is.
About three weeks later,
436
00:19:19,890 --> 00:19:21,723
they find the body
of michelle manders
437
00:19:21,725 --> 00:19:22,858
on the banks of the river.
438
00:19:22,860 --> 00:19:25,361
And it so happens to be
about 3,600 feet
439
00:19:25,363 --> 00:19:27,463
from your clients' property.
What's the cause of death?
440
00:19:27,465 --> 00:19:29,566
Well, the autopsy
revealed drowning.
441
00:19:29,568 --> 00:19:31,268
The neighbor,
what happened with that?
442
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:33,871
Did they bring her in?
Did they put her in the box?
443
00:19:33,873 --> 00:19:36,574
They just questioned her, took
her statement, and that was it.
444
00:19:36,576 --> 00:19:39,345
No arrests were made. They had
no evidence for anyone else.
445
00:19:39,347 --> 00:19:41,680
So the case remains unsolved.
446
00:19:41,682 --> 00:19:43,649
Yeah, something
doesn't sound right.
447
00:19:43,651 --> 00:19:45,519
Okay, so, what was
the second one?
448
00:19:45,521 --> 00:19:47,053
A single mom named karen maier,
449
00:19:47,055 --> 00:19:50,792
on September 15, 1986, was found
dead in her home.
450
00:19:50,794 --> 00:19:52,393
What's the circumstances?
451
00:19:52,395 --> 00:19:56,298
She was beaten, stabbed,
and shot multiple times.
452
00:19:56,300 --> 00:19:57,499
Okay, so that's a lot of rage.
453
00:19:57,501 --> 00:19:59,869
I'm assuming that has to be
somebody she knew.
454
00:19:59,871 --> 00:20:03,206
Well, the next day, her
ex-boyfriend joseph iwanowski
455
00:20:03,208 --> 00:20:04,942
walked into the police station
456
00:20:04,944 --> 00:20:07,411
and turned himself in,
admitted killing her.
457
00:20:07,413 --> 00:20:08,612
He got put away for life.
458
00:20:08,614 --> 00:20:11,383
However, in 2008,
he had been paroled.
459
00:20:11,385 --> 00:20:13,885
So he did at least 20 years
before he got out.
460
00:20:13,887 --> 00:20:15,822
Okay, so let's talk
about the third one.
461
00:20:15,824 --> 00:20:19,993
It was a 38-year-old lady
named resa scobie brunner.
462
00:20:19,995 --> 00:20:22,196
She was found dead in her home
by her husband.
463
00:20:22,198 --> 00:20:24,399
She had been beaten to death
with an aluminum bat.
464
00:20:24,401 --> 00:20:26,668
Was the husband the first guy
they looked at?
465
00:20:26,670 --> 00:20:28,636
Yes, he was.
He admitted to the police
466
00:20:28,638 --> 00:20:32,341
that the marriage had some --
many, many serious issues.
467
00:20:32,343 --> 00:20:33,709
When they were not fighting,
468
00:20:33,711 --> 00:20:35,545
they both were dating
other people.
469
00:20:35,547 --> 00:20:36,580
They collar this guy?
470
00:20:36,582 --> 00:20:37,848
Actually, he had an alibi.
471
00:20:37,850 --> 00:20:39,584
On the night of the murder,
472
00:20:39,586 --> 00:20:41,886
the husband was
with another woman.
473
00:20:41,888 --> 00:20:43,921
Did they ever like
anybody else for this?
474
00:20:43,923 --> 00:20:46,492
Well, the victim here, resa,
was also on a date
475
00:20:46,494 --> 00:20:49,094
with a man named matthew knapp.
476
00:20:49,096 --> 00:20:51,431
Okay.
So the police found matthew,
477
00:20:51,433 --> 00:20:53,166
and they found blood
on matthew's clothes.
478
00:20:53,168 --> 00:20:54,969
Okay. Any match
with the victim?
479
00:20:54,971 --> 00:20:57,471
Took about a decade
before dna advanced enough,
480
00:20:57,473 --> 00:21:01,309
and it was determined that
the blood on matthew's clothing
481
00:21:01,311 --> 00:21:03,111
matched resa's blood.
482
00:21:03,113 --> 00:21:05,147
They don't make an arrest
for 10 years.
483
00:21:05,149 --> 00:21:06,816
Correct.
Did they get a conviction?
484
00:21:06,818 --> 00:21:08,718
Yes, they did.
485
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,020
You know,
for a quiet neighborhood,
486
00:21:10,022 --> 00:21:11,455
there's a lot of violence
going on.
487
00:21:11,457 --> 00:21:13,423
Yes.
Especially domestic violence.
488
00:21:13,425 --> 00:21:15,693
You would never think people
would do that to each other.
489
00:21:15,695 --> 00:21:17,128
Not in this community.
490
00:21:17,130 --> 00:21:19,765
Okay.
491
00:21:19,767 --> 00:21:23,202
Amy: I'm seeing this weird
tall thing again.
492
00:21:23,204 --> 00:21:27,307
It's made up of
so many dead people.
493
00:21:27,309 --> 00:21:29,777
Are people still being
added to this thing?
494
00:21:29,779 --> 00:21:34,181
It seems to take on only those
who die violently or something.
495
00:21:34,183 --> 00:21:35,784
[ indistinct whispering ]
496
00:21:35,786 --> 00:21:37,853
♪♪
497
00:21:37,855 --> 00:21:40,423
is it capable of hurting people?
498
00:21:40,425 --> 00:21:42,959
Yeah, it hates
the woman with abilities.
499
00:21:42,961 --> 00:21:44,862
It just wants to kill her.
500
00:21:44,864 --> 00:21:51,403
♪♪
501
00:21:51,405 --> 00:21:53,338
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502
00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:54,840
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503
00:21:54,842 --> 00:21:56,676
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504
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505
00:22:00,115 --> 00:22:02,482
Click on "help me, dead files!"
to submit your story,
506
00:22:02,484 --> 00:22:03,517
and we'll help if we can.
507
00:22:05,288 --> 00:22:11,260
♪♪
508
00:22:11,262 --> 00:22:13,862
steve: So far, I have a couple's
marriage falling apart
509
00:22:13,864 --> 00:22:15,432
due to paranormal activity
510
00:22:15,434 --> 00:22:18,935
on a property near the scene
of three brutal murders,
511
00:22:18,937 --> 00:22:21,105
but I want to see
if there's anything else.
512
00:22:21,107 --> 00:22:24,241
♪♪
513
00:22:24,243 --> 00:22:26,478
looking through old records,
I find a map
514
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,914
of an old
native american burial ground.
515
00:22:28,916 --> 00:22:31,284
Turns out bodies
were uncovered real close
516
00:22:31,286 --> 00:22:33,686
to pam and tim's house.
517
00:22:33,688 --> 00:22:36,290
So I reached out to
a local historian that I know.
518
00:22:36,292 --> 00:22:38,525
And he says the story
of the native americans
519
00:22:38,527 --> 00:22:39,928
in that burial ground
520
00:22:39,930 --> 00:22:43,198
is one of betrayal,
heartbreak, and violence.
521
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:48,270
♪♪
522
00:22:48,272 --> 00:22:49,505
alright, so, this burial ground
523
00:22:49,507 --> 00:22:51,308
that's near
my clients' property,
524
00:22:51,310 --> 00:22:53,610
before we even get to that,
what do we know about the tribe?
525
00:22:53,612 --> 00:22:56,648
This is the ho-chunk nation,
one of the earliest
526
00:22:56,650 --> 00:22:58,683
native american tribes
here in wisconsin.
527
00:22:58,685 --> 00:23:01,820
They covered a good portion
of wisconsin for a long time.
528
00:23:01,822 --> 00:23:03,522
And they also had a settlement
529
00:23:03,524 --> 00:23:05,258
on the west end
of the rock river,
530
00:23:05,260 --> 00:23:07,494
right about where your
clients' property is located.
531
00:23:07,496 --> 00:23:09,496
How big were they?
Well, at one point,
532
00:23:09,498 --> 00:23:12,466
historians believe
close to 20,000.
533
00:23:12,468 --> 00:23:15,937
This dates back
into about the 1800s.
534
00:23:15,939 --> 00:23:17,572
They were a very spiritual group
535
00:23:17,574 --> 00:23:19,541
that believed
in a lot of rituals.
536
00:23:19,543 --> 00:23:24,747
In fact, the name actually
translates into "sacred voice."
537
00:23:24,749 --> 00:23:27,685
so, you know, dave, I've done
a lot of these investigations
538
00:23:27,687 --> 00:23:30,989
where native americans
always come up, right?
539
00:23:30,991 --> 00:23:32,724
Every time you turn around,
they're getting screwed.
540
00:23:32,726 --> 00:23:34,826
How about these guys?
What's the story?
541
00:23:34,828 --> 00:23:37,830
Well, what happened
was the french white settlers
542
00:23:37,832 --> 00:23:40,066
moving in in the early 1620s,
543
00:23:40,068 --> 00:23:43,537
and that resulted
in a large epidemic
544
00:23:43,539 --> 00:23:46,274
which actually wiped out almost
2/3 of the population.
545
00:23:46,276 --> 00:23:48,276
Okay. So, do we know
if there's any battles
546
00:23:48,278 --> 00:23:49,610
near my clients' property?
547
00:23:49,612 --> 00:23:50,846
There's nothing documented
548
00:23:50,848 --> 00:23:53,382
that there were any battles
in watertown.
549
00:23:53,384 --> 00:23:56,119
But by 1873, most of the tribe
550
00:23:56,121 --> 00:23:58,555
had been relocated
out towards nebraska.
551
00:23:58,557 --> 00:24:00,391
Can you imagine somebody
coming now, settling,
552
00:24:00,393 --> 00:24:01,859
and trying to get you
off your property?
553
00:24:01,861 --> 00:24:03,728
Yeah, exactly.
It's a population
554
00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:05,530
that had been almost 20,000
555
00:24:05,532 --> 00:24:07,499
was reduced down to almost 500.
556
00:24:07,501 --> 00:24:09,568
So they were almost wiped out.
Almost.
557
00:24:09,570 --> 00:24:11,137
Alright, so let's get
to the burial ground.
558
00:24:11,139 --> 00:24:12,305
What do we know about it?
559
00:24:12,307 --> 00:24:16,477
In 1895, they found
skeletal remains
560
00:24:16,479 --> 00:24:20,548
about 2,300 feet from where
your clients' property's located
561
00:24:20,550 --> 00:24:21,616
on a farm.
562
00:24:21,618 --> 00:24:23,051
Alright.
One body. A shame,
563
00:24:23,053 --> 00:24:25,153
but it doesn't seem like
that big of a deal.
564
00:24:25,155 --> 00:24:27,656
No, it doesn't.
But in 1941,
565
00:24:27,658 --> 00:24:30,460
there were 30 bodies
that were discovered.
566
00:24:30,462 --> 00:24:31,728
Wow. Okay.
567
00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:33,930
Some of them were women,
some of them were children,
568
00:24:33,932 --> 00:24:35,198
as well as men.
569
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,235
Alright. Any idea
what killed these people?
570
00:24:37,237 --> 00:24:39,303
What was found along
in the mounds
571
00:24:39,305 --> 00:24:41,940
was a gun and also spearheads.
572
00:24:41,942 --> 00:24:45,144
So based on what we know, it was
either violence or disease.
573
00:24:45,146 --> 00:24:46,746
I've heard before
that they used to display
574
00:24:46,748 --> 00:24:47,947
some of these bones they found.
575
00:24:47,949 --> 00:24:49,449
What did they do
with these guys' bones?
576
00:24:49,451 --> 00:24:51,418
Unfortunately,
they were discarded.
577
00:24:51,420 --> 00:24:52,920
So nobody knows
what happened to them.
578
00:24:52,922 --> 00:24:54,221
They threw them out.
Yes.
579
00:24:54,223 --> 00:24:56,792
Sounds like to me these guys
couldn't catch a break, right?
580
00:24:56,794 --> 00:25:00,362
Yeah. But the fact is, look at
the resiliency of these people.
581
00:25:00,364 --> 00:25:01,664
And they're still here today,
582
00:25:01,666 --> 00:25:03,266
and they're still flourishing.
583
00:25:03,268 --> 00:25:05,936
♪♪
584
00:25:05,938 --> 00:25:09,873
amy: On the land, there were
many people killed by men.
585
00:25:09,875 --> 00:25:11,209
Matt:
What kind of people?
586
00:25:11,211 --> 00:25:14,179
I think that they might
have been native americans.
587
00:25:14,181 --> 00:25:16,315
Do you know who was doing it?
588
00:25:16,317 --> 00:25:18,884
I just know
that it was some men.
589
00:25:18,886 --> 00:25:22,622
I don't know if they
were, like, with the military
590
00:25:22,624 --> 00:25:28,095
or just some weird random guys
who like to kill people.
591
00:25:28,097 --> 00:25:31,133
♪♪
592
00:25:31,135 --> 00:25:33,368
and the blood
went into the earth.
593
00:25:33,370 --> 00:25:36,206
And then this thing that I saw
looking in the windows
594
00:25:36,208 --> 00:25:41,212
was born from their blood
and their souls together.
595
00:25:41,214 --> 00:25:43,080
And it equaled hate.
596
00:25:43,082 --> 00:25:45,249
And it grew, too.
It used to be really tiny.
597
00:25:45,251 --> 00:25:47,719
When it first popped up,
it was small.
598
00:25:47,721 --> 00:25:49,988
♪♪
599
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:53,526
but now it's huge
and extremely dangerous.
600
00:25:53,528 --> 00:25:58,665
♪♪
601
00:25:58,667 --> 00:26:01,903
I saw several unsettling things
during my walk,
602
00:26:01,905 --> 00:26:04,239
but two concern me the most.
603
00:26:04,241 --> 00:26:07,843
First, the tall creature
trying to get into the house.
604
00:26:07,845 --> 00:26:11,748
This thing was gigantic.
It's about 9 or 10 feet tall.
605
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:16,854
And its head was kind of
like a funnel shape, like this.
606
00:26:16,856 --> 00:26:21,326
And the hand
was unusually large.
607
00:26:21,328 --> 00:26:26,032
Next, I describe the old man
grabbing a living woman in bed.
608
00:26:26,034 --> 00:26:30,503
Very thin. He had very,
like, hollowed-out cheeks.
609
00:26:30,505 --> 00:26:34,508
It seemed to me
that he was more bald.
610
00:26:34,510 --> 00:26:39,681
He had a very large nose,
very pointed features.
611
00:26:39,683 --> 00:26:42,251
♪♪
612
00:26:42,253 --> 00:26:45,187
the nose is more --
like, more kind of hawk.
613
00:26:45,189 --> 00:26:46,523
Okay.
614
00:26:46,525 --> 00:26:53,698
♪♪
615
00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:56,268
amy, is this what you saw?
616
00:26:56,270 --> 00:26:57,636
Yes.
617
00:27:04,780 --> 00:27:11,653
♪♪
618
00:27:11,655 --> 00:27:18,461
♪♪
619
00:27:18,463 --> 00:27:22,299
steve: Now that amy and I have
completed our investigations,
620
00:27:22,301 --> 00:27:25,235
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
621
00:27:25,237 --> 00:27:28,773
and our clients
for the first time.
622
00:27:28,775 --> 00:27:31,210
So, amy, I want to
introduce you to a couple.
623
00:27:31,212 --> 00:27:33,245
This is pam
and her husband, tim.
624
00:27:33,247 --> 00:27:35,247
Now, they've been
married for 20 years,
625
00:27:35,249 --> 00:27:37,951
but since they moved
into this house a few years ago,
626
00:27:37,953 --> 00:27:41,823
activity is out of control,
and everything's gone to hell.
627
00:27:41,825 --> 00:27:44,325
They think their marriage,
their sanity, and their lives
628
00:27:44,327 --> 00:27:46,996
are at risk. And that's
why they called us in.
629
00:27:46,998 --> 00:27:49,565
So unless amy's got
questions for you guys,
630
00:27:49,567 --> 00:27:51,334
she'll tell us about her walk.
631
00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:56,941
♪♪
632
00:27:56,943 --> 00:27:59,443
amy: So, when I walked
into the house,
633
00:27:59,445 --> 00:28:02,381
I went down the hallway
634
00:28:02,383 --> 00:28:04,950
and into the two rooms
to the right.
635
00:28:04,952 --> 00:28:08,121
And in both rooms, I got hit
636
00:28:08,123 --> 00:28:11,558
with very heavy
negative energies
637
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,162
which were coming
from the living people here.
638
00:28:15,164 --> 00:28:18,633
There was something
about finances.
639
00:28:18,635 --> 00:28:23,139
I saw that all of this
led to arguing
640
00:28:23,141 --> 00:28:27,477
and then a division
between these two people.
641
00:28:27,479 --> 00:28:31,348
You just hit on a big reason
why pam and tim called us in.
642
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:33,351
You said they were fighting
over finances.
643
00:28:33,353 --> 00:28:34,886
Well, you might as well
tell her, tim.
644
00:28:34,888 --> 00:28:38,357
I would sit up
wee hours of the morning,
645
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:42,729
and constantly get more credit
cards, one after the other.
646
00:28:42,731 --> 00:28:44,230
I have no idea why.
647
00:28:44,232 --> 00:28:48,202
I mean, I had like
50 credit cards after a while.
648
00:28:48,204 --> 00:28:50,604
How -- okay.
649
00:28:50,606 --> 00:28:53,909
With finances,
we've fought about that a lot.
650
00:28:53,911 --> 00:28:54,943
Still do.
651
00:28:54,945 --> 00:28:56,278
Now, do me a favor.
652
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,749
Tell amy about the mood
swings you guys are having.
653
00:28:59,751 --> 00:29:02,453
We can be gone, away
from the house, and we're happy
654
00:29:02,455 --> 00:29:05,622
and having a good time,
and all is great.
655
00:29:05,624 --> 00:29:08,560
And we walk in the house,
within a half hour,
656
00:29:08,562 --> 00:29:10,562
we're at each other's throats.
657
00:29:10,564 --> 00:29:14,800
I've had a lot of violent rages
towards her in the house.
658
00:29:14,802 --> 00:29:18,572
And you've not had these issues
prior to moving in here? No.
659
00:29:18,574 --> 00:29:20,507
No? Okay.
660
00:29:20,509 --> 00:29:23,077
And he looks like
he's just not tim.
661
00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:24,846
Not him.
He's not acting like tim.
662
00:29:24,848 --> 00:29:27,916
He's not even --
his behavior isn't tim.
663
00:29:27,918 --> 00:29:29,918
It's like, I want tim back.
664
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,223
♪♪
665
00:29:33,225 --> 00:29:35,792
so, what else?
666
00:29:35,794 --> 00:29:38,095
Okay. So, I did get
667
00:29:38,097 --> 00:29:42,300
that there is a living woman
here who has abilities.
668
00:29:42,302 --> 00:29:45,737
I was told
that you are a psychic
669
00:29:45,739 --> 00:29:49,175
and that you're a healer.
I think by moving in here,
670
00:29:49,177 --> 00:29:53,447
one of your latent abilities
is coming up,
671
00:29:53,449 --> 00:29:55,916
and I think it's mediumship,
alright?
672
00:29:55,918 --> 00:29:58,453
Oh, good god.
673
00:29:58,455 --> 00:30:02,391
And that's important
as to what's all going on here.
674
00:30:02,393 --> 00:30:03,726
Oh, god.
675
00:30:03,728 --> 00:30:06,462
Are you surprised hearing
about her abilities?
676
00:30:06,464 --> 00:30:09,266
Yeah, I'm surprised
by the medium stuff.
677
00:30:09,268 --> 00:30:13,037
I was also told that these
abilities run in your family
678
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:18,377
and that a lot of the psychic
and the precognitive --
679
00:30:18,379 --> 00:30:22,382
so, precognitive being getting
information about events
680
00:30:22,384 --> 00:30:25,518
that happen in the future
and them coming to pass.
681
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,987
[ sighs ]
682
00:30:26,989 --> 00:30:30,491
my mother, I saw
how she was going to die.
683
00:30:30,493 --> 00:30:33,528
So did she die
the way that you saw?
684
00:30:33,530 --> 00:30:36,798
Yes, she did.
It's scaring the hell out of me.
685
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,537
♪♪
686
00:30:41,539 --> 00:30:44,875
steve:
So, what else did you encounter?
687
00:30:44,877 --> 00:30:47,412
The first dead people
I would like to discuss
688
00:30:47,414 --> 00:30:50,748
is a couple that I met.
689
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:53,852
The couple is here
because they are related
690
00:30:53,854 --> 00:30:56,989
to the living woman
in the house.
691
00:30:56,991 --> 00:30:59,659
There is a female.
She's older,
692
00:30:59,661 --> 00:31:03,030
in her late 60s, stocky build.
693
00:31:03,032 --> 00:31:04,432
Sounds like my grandma.
694
00:31:04,434 --> 00:31:07,569
The male is tall
and thin and balding.
695
00:31:07,571 --> 00:31:11,540
The older man has abilities
696
00:31:11,542 --> 00:31:14,978
and stated that they do
run in his family.
697
00:31:14,980 --> 00:31:17,815
So they're here because
they don't want you
698
00:31:17,817 --> 00:31:20,684
to have paranormal experiences.
699
00:31:20,686 --> 00:31:24,155
What they're doing to you
to try to prevent this
700
00:31:24,157 --> 00:31:26,591
is they're literally
701
00:31:26,593 --> 00:31:31,364
covering your eyes
and covering your ears.
702
00:31:31,366 --> 00:31:34,334
Okay.
I was sleeping or half asleep --
703
00:31:34,336 --> 00:31:35,902
I wasn't fully asleep,
704
00:31:35,904 --> 00:31:39,874
and something came over my eyes,
and I couldn't --
705
00:31:39,876 --> 00:31:42,611
it was like I was being
held there, and I couldn't see.
706
00:31:42,613 --> 00:31:44,880
This can make you sick.
707
00:31:44,882 --> 00:31:48,718
Headaches, definitely.
Pain throughout your body.
708
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,421
And if they continue to do
what they're doing,
709
00:31:51,423 --> 00:31:55,526
you could potentially
also develop cancer.
710
00:31:55,528 --> 00:31:57,361
That's one of
the main reasons we're here.
711
00:31:57,363 --> 00:31:59,164
I mean, pam's 62,
712
00:31:59,166 --> 00:32:02,402
but she's got health issues
for somebody much, much older.
713
00:32:02,404 --> 00:32:05,471
My heart's stiff,
and now I'm on this medicine.
714
00:32:05,473 --> 00:32:07,641
So I'm sick a lot and tired.
715
00:32:07,643 --> 00:32:08,909
Pam said she thought the woman
716
00:32:08,911 --> 00:32:11,011
sounded like a grandmother.
717
00:32:11,013 --> 00:32:15,617
We actually have a photo here
of her grandparents.
718
00:32:15,619 --> 00:32:17,987
Oh, wow, really?
Yeah.
719
00:32:17,989 --> 00:32:19,155
So you're pretty convinced
720
00:32:19,157 --> 00:32:21,057
that these are the two
you might have run into.
721
00:32:21,059 --> 00:32:23,527
I mean, yeah.
722
00:32:23,529 --> 00:32:24,594
Alright, so now we know
723
00:32:24,596 --> 00:32:25,962
it's your grandparents
that are here
724
00:32:25,964 --> 00:32:27,331
trying to protect you
from the paranormal.
725
00:32:27,333 --> 00:32:29,967
I could see my grandma,
doing that, yeah, my grandpa.
726
00:32:29,969 --> 00:32:31,736
So, is there anything else
that they're doing?
727
00:32:31,738 --> 00:32:35,874
Yes. The older man
is the one in charge.
728
00:32:35,876 --> 00:32:37,944
And when I went into the bedroom
729
00:32:37,946 --> 00:32:40,013
at the end of the hall
to the left --
730
00:32:40,015 --> 00:32:41,815
so, I'm thinking
this is the master.
731
00:32:41,817 --> 00:32:42,917
Right, that's your bedroom.
732
00:32:42,919 --> 00:32:44,051
I saw him in there.
733
00:32:44,053 --> 00:32:46,954
And he sees himself
as the protector.
734
00:32:46,956 --> 00:32:49,124
He was sitting on the edge
of the bed.
735
00:32:49,126 --> 00:32:52,394
And I was wondering if when
he sits on the edge of the bed,
736
00:32:52,396 --> 00:32:54,697
if you feel the indentation.
737
00:32:54,699 --> 00:32:57,768
I think he would wake
the living person up,
738
00:32:57,770 --> 00:33:00,537
and they would feel him
watching them.
739
00:33:00,539 --> 00:33:04,309
It felt like somebody
was sitting on the bed.
740
00:33:04,311 --> 00:33:05,643
And it always felt like
741
00:33:05,645 --> 00:33:09,248
somebody was on my side
of the bed watching me.
742
00:33:09,250 --> 00:33:11,050
But she's actually seen
the indentation in the bed.
743
00:33:11,052 --> 00:33:12,551
Yeah, the indentation
in the bed.
744
00:33:12,553 --> 00:33:14,755
Mm-hmm.
Grandpa.
745
00:33:14,757 --> 00:33:17,759
But you also felt watched
all over the house, right?
746
00:33:17,761 --> 00:33:21,963
Yeah, constantly,
no matter where I am.
747
00:33:21,965 --> 00:33:27,971
I did get to see a little bit
of his kind of dark side.
748
00:33:27,973 --> 00:33:30,707
I'm seeing a woman's legs
on the bed,
749
00:33:30,709 --> 00:33:32,175
and he's grabbing them.
750
00:33:32,177 --> 00:33:34,245
♪♪
751
00:33:34,247 --> 00:33:37,415
I think he might leave marks
on the legs.
752
00:33:37,417 --> 00:33:39,451
And I did have a sketch done
753
00:33:39,453 --> 00:33:42,654
of what I saw in that moment.
754
00:33:42,656 --> 00:33:46,392
♪♪
755
00:33:46,394 --> 00:33:48,862
oh, geez,
looks just like him, too.
756
00:33:48,864 --> 00:33:52,399
♪♪
757
00:33:52,401 --> 00:33:54,169
oh, good god.
758
00:33:54,171 --> 00:33:55,837
Grandpa, what are you doing?
759
00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:58,107
♪♪
760
00:33:58,109 --> 00:34:01,210
some nights, I get really
bad pains in my legs.
761
00:34:01,212 --> 00:34:03,146
Mm-hmm.
762
00:34:03,148 --> 00:34:06,183
So, why do you think
you would get frustrated?
763
00:34:06,185 --> 00:34:09,086
I'm not paying attention
and listening.
764
00:34:09,088 --> 00:34:11,456
Tim: I've honestly picked up,
like, this vibe
765
00:34:11,458 --> 00:34:12,857
that there's something here
766
00:34:12,859 --> 00:34:17,696
that wants us to get the hell
out of here, constantly.
767
00:34:17,698 --> 00:34:20,633
And I always got the feeling
like somebody's trying to --
768
00:34:20,635 --> 00:34:22,402
somebody wanted me to die.
769
00:34:22,404 --> 00:34:23,871
Well, that's something else.
770
00:34:23,873 --> 00:34:25,406
Oh.
771
00:34:25,408 --> 00:34:28,076
It's very unusual looking.
772
00:34:28,078 --> 00:34:29,978
It's very, very big,
773
00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:33,249
I'd say over 9 feet tall.
774
00:34:33,251 --> 00:34:36,719
All I know is that it formed
a long time ago.
775
00:34:36,721 --> 00:34:39,790
I got that there was
some kind of event outside
776
00:34:39,792 --> 00:34:44,529
that did kill, I believe,
some native americans.
777
00:34:44,531 --> 00:34:48,934
I saw them being
really horribly murdered.
778
00:34:48,936 --> 00:34:52,471
And this thing was born
779
00:34:52,473 --> 00:34:55,342
from their blood
780
00:34:55,344 --> 00:34:58,246
going into the earth.
781
00:34:58,248 --> 00:35:04,887
It also bound all
of their souls together.
782
00:35:04,889 --> 00:35:07,856
The other thing
it's been doing since then
783
00:35:07,858 --> 00:35:12,829
is that anybody who dies
a violent death in this area,
784
00:35:12,831 --> 00:35:15,366
it collects their souls.
785
00:35:15,368 --> 00:35:17,134
There's some native american
history in this town
786
00:35:17,136 --> 00:35:18,670
that you really need
to know about.
787
00:35:18,672 --> 00:35:20,438
Before watertown was founded,
788
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,275
the native american tribe
called the ho-chunk lived here.
789
00:35:23,277 --> 00:35:25,645
I actually got some photos
of, you know,
790
00:35:25,647 --> 00:35:29,783
what life was like
for these guys back then.
791
00:35:29,785 --> 00:35:33,020
So, at one point,
they had 20,000 of them
792
00:35:33,022 --> 00:35:34,389
living in this state.
793
00:35:34,391 --> 00:35:38,627
After the first contact
with the french in the 1620s,
794
00:35:38,629 --> 00:35:41,530
it was nothing but death,
violence, and misery for them.
795
00:35:41,532 --> 00:35:44,267
So now the first thing
to happen was
796
00:35:44,269 --> 00:35:47,571
an epidemic wiped out
2/3 of their tribe.
797
00:35:47,573 --> 00:35:49,240
Finally, in the 1840s,
798
00:35:49,242 --> 00:35:51,676
the u.S. Government
forced them out of the state
799
00:35:51,678 --> 00:35:54,713
and made them live
in a reservation in nebraska.
800
00:35:54,715 --> 00:35:57,215
So now the white settlers,
once they came in
801
00:35:57,217 --> 00:35:59,152
and pushed
the ho-chunk tribe out,
802
00:35:59,154 --> 00:36:00,954
they started
digging up the land.
803
00:36:00,956 --> 00:36:02,789
Oh, no.
So they ended up finding
804
00:36:02,791 --> 00:36:05,960
a bunch of bodies
about 2,300 feet from here.
805
00:36:05,962 --> 00:36:07,795
Ohh.
806
00:36:07,797 --> 00:36:09,931
Now, the expert I spoke to said
they will never know for sure
807
00:36:09,933 --> 00:36:13,101
how they died because
they just threw the bones out,
808
00:36:13,103 --> 00:36:14,670
believe it or not.
What? Okay.
809
00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:16,772
Yeah.
Okay.
810
00:36:16,774 --> 00:36:18,207
But when they found them,
811
00:36:18,209 --> 00:36:21,812
there was hundreds of spears
and one gun buried with them.
812
00:36:21,814 --> 00:36:25,683
It's logical to assume
that they died a violent death.
813
00:36:25,685 --> 00:36:27,518
Well, that's crazy.
814
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,887
Wow.
815
00:36:28,889 --> 00:36:30,756
So, you said you're worried
about this tall thing.
816
00:36:30,758 --> 00:36:31,957
Why?
817
00:36:31,959 --> 00:36:36,262
So, I saw it, like,
kind of banging on the walls
818
00:36:36,264 --> 00:36:38,933
and then jumping on the roof
819
00:36:38,935 --> 00:36:42,269
and, like, trying
to pull the roof up.
820
00:36:42,271 --> 00:36:43,571
The other thing, though,
821
00:36:43,573 --> 00:36:47,542
that it does,
it will tap lightly,
822
00:36:47,544 --> 00:36:50,780
like on the windows,
or even it showed me
823
00:36:50,782 --> 00:36:55,085
knocking -- softly knocking
at the front door.
824
00:36:55,087 --> 00:36:56,820
Didn't you say you heard rocks?
825
00:36:56,822 --> 00:36:58,823
It sounds like stones
are being thrown,
826
00:36:58,825 --> 00:37:00,759
and tim's found stones
out of place.
827
00:37:00,761 --> 00:37:03,128
They're all over by the wall.
828
00:37:03,130 --> 00:37:05,531
Oh. Down here?
829
00:37:05,533 --> 00:37:06,966
- Yeah.
- Yeah. Is that something
830
00:37:06,968 --> 00:37:08,501
that sounds like this creature?
831
00:37:08,503 --> 00:37:10,170
Yes.
832
00:37:10,172 --> 00:37:12,072
Oh, good god.
833
00:37:12,074 --> 00:37:14,208
So what this thing is,
834
00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:17,145
it's like
a split personality. Okay?
835
00:37:17,147 --> 00:37:22,651
Sometimes the souls
of the murdered native americans
836
00:37:22,653 --> 00:37:24,154
are in control,
837
00:37:24,156 --> 00:37:29,660
but sometimes the entity
is in control.
838
00:37:29,662 --> 00:37:31,729
They're constantly
battling each other.
839
00:37:31,731 --> 00:37:34,099
The reason why
you come into play
840
00:37:34,101 --> 00:37:37,803
is because these dead people
841
00:37:37,805 --> 00:37:41,240
want help to move them on,
842
00:37:41,242 --> 00:37:42,308
to save them.
843
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:43,443
Can I leave for a minute?
844
00:37:43,445 --> 00:37:44,812
Okay.
845
00:37:44,814 --> 00:37:54,123
♪♪
846
00:37:54,125 --> 00:37:56,225
[ pam crying ]
847
00:37:56,227 --> 00:38:00,430
♪♪
848
00:38:00,432 --> 00:38:03,533
[ breathes shakily, sniffles ]
849
00:38:03,535 --> 00:38:04,836
you okay?
Yeah.
850
00:38:04,838 --> 00:38:06,571
I know.
It's a lot to hear.
851
00:38:06,573 --> 00:38:08,773
Damn, I wasn't expecting that.
852
00:38:08,775 --> 00:38:11,844
They want you to move them on.
853
00:38:11,846 --> 00:38:15,081
But of course, "it" now has --
854
00:38:15,083 --> 00:38:17,951
its own animal-like personality
855
00:38:17,953 --> 00:38:20,755
does not want that to happen.
856
00:38:20,757 --> 00:38:23,290
And its goal is
it wants inside the house,
857
00:38:23,292 --> 00:38:27,462
because it wants to kill you,
because it sees you as a threat.
858
00:38:27,464 --> 00:38:30,166
When I came down
into the basement,
859
00:38:30,168 --> 00:38:33,870
it found a weak spot over there.
860
00:38:33,872 --> 00:38:37,207
And it's gotten
its head through.
861
00:38:37,209 --> 00:38:38,609
Oh, god.
862
00:38:38,611 --> 00:38:41,279
And I did have a sketch done
of what I saw.
863
00:38:41,281 --> 00:38:44,350
♪♪
864
00:38:44,352 --> 00:38:46,051
ooh.
865
00:38:46,053 --> 00:38:48,387
♪♪
866
00:38:48,389 --> 00:38:50,290
you're probably not going to
want to look at that, but --
867
00:38:50,292 --> 00:38:51,758
oh ****
868
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:57,832
♪♪
869
00:38:57,834 --> 00:38:59,835
I don't want to die like this.
870
00:38:59,837 --> 00:39:01,103
I already see
what you're going to say
871
00:39:01,105 --> 00:39:02,771
at the end
of this whole thing --
872
00:39:02,773 --> 00:39:04,607
that we're going to
have to move, and that's --
873
00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:06,009
steve:
Well, let's wait a second.
874
00:39:06,011 --> 00:39:08,244
No, 'cause I'm starting
to get a little pissed off.
875
00:39:08,246 --> 00:39:09,680
Steve: You guys are jumping
to conclusions.
876
00:39:09,682 --> 00:39:10,781
I'm sorry.
877
00:39:10,783 --> 00:39:12,750
You're at step 12,
and we're at step 8.
878
00:39:12,752 --> 00:39:14,953
I don't even care anymore.
I'm pissed off.
879
00:39:14,955 --> 00:39:16,454
I'm going to walk away.
880
00:39:16,456 --> 00:39:17,622
Alright.
881
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:36,345
♪♪
882
00:39:36,347 --> 00:39:39,315
you okay?
883
00:39:39,317 --> 00:39:40,884
- Yeah.
- Okay.
884
00:39:40,886 --> 00:39:42,752
So, when I talked to you guys
the other day,
885
00:39:42,754 --> 00:39:46,591
I knew things were bad here,
886
00:39:46,593 --> 00:39:48,392
but I didn't realize how bad.
887
00:39:48,394 --> 00:39:50,229
Now we're going to answer your
big question.
888
00:39:50,231 --> 00:39:52,564
Can you stay and fight,
889
00:39:52,566 --> 00:39:55,602
or do you need to leave
and cut your losses?
890
00:39:55,604 --> 00:39:57,704
For that answer, I'm going
to turn it over to amy.
891
00:39:57,706 --> 00:40:00,941
♪♪
892
00:40:00,943 --> 00:40:02,810
amy: As far as the thing,
893
00:40:02,812 --> 00:40:06,581
I would like my team to come
894
00:40:06,583 --> 00:40:11,087
and move on the dead from it
895
00:40:11,089 --> 00:40:15,959
so that their souls
can be free finally
896
00:40:15,961 --> 00:40:19,563
and for them to remove
what remains of it.
897
00:40:19,565 --> 00:40:21,666
And that will
get rid of this thing?
898
00:40:21,668 --> 00:40:23,334
Yes.
899
00:40:23,336 --> 00:40:27,473
I would also like them
to speak with your grandparents,
900
00:40:27,475 --> 00:40:30,010
because I know
that your grandmother
901
00:40:30,012 --> 00:40:33,813
would very much like to move on.
902
00:40:33,815 --> 00:40:37,551
So I'm hoping that the team
can convince your grandfather,
903
00:40:37,553 --> 00:40:41,990
as well, to move on, so that
both of them can be free.
904
00:40:41,992 --> 00:40:44,593
I would also like to say
that I think
905
00:40:44,595 --> 00:40:48,298
you guys obviously
have been through a lot.
906
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:51,635
I would highly recommend
going to marriage counseling
907
00:40:51,637 --> 00:40:54,171
to rebuild your marriage
and heal
908
00:40:54,173 --> 00:40:59,044
from the last few years of --
from all of this.
909
00:40:59,046 --> 00:41:01,514
So it sounds like they can stay.
910
00:41:01,516 --> 00:41:04,850
Yeah.
911
00:41:04,852 --> 00:41:06,253
Do you feel better
about everything now?
912
00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:08,522
Yes, I actually do,
913
00:41:08,524 --> 00:41:11,059
knowing that it can be corrected
and I don't have to move,
914
00:41:11,061 --> 00:41:13,728
because I felt like
it would be never-ending.
915
00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:16,999
You sound better
than you did an hour ago.
916
00:41:17,001 --> 00:41:18,600
I feel much better.
I know what I have,
917
00:41:18,602 --> 00:41:20,036
and I know what's going on.
918
00:41:20,038 --> 00:41:22,138
And I know
that it can be taken care of.
919
00:41:22,140 --> 00:41:24,140
That mean you're going to do
what amy tells you?
920
00:41:24,142 --> 00:41:25,242
Yeah.
Yes.
921
00:41:25,244 --> 00:41:27,545
Yeah? Okay.
922
00:41:27,547 --> 00:41:29,080
Yeah, you guys were great.
923
00:41:29,082 --> 00:41:31,350
Thank you.
924
00:41:31,352 --> 00:41:33,952
Amy: I really hope pam and tim
contact the team
925
00:41:33,954 --> 00:41:35,388
to clear the tall thing
926
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:37,557
and the dead
from their property.
927
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:39,726
If they do that
and seek counseling
928
00:41:39,728 --> 00:41:41,161
to heal their marriage,
929
00:41:41,163 --> 00:41:42,730
I believe they will be
on their way
930
00:41:42,732 --> 00:41:45,600
to finding the happiness
they deserve.
931
00:41:45,602 --> 00:41:52,608
♪♪
932
00:41:52,610 --> 00:41:59,616
♪♪
933
00:41:59,666 --> 00:42:04,216
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