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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,702 --> 00:00:10,575 ?? 2 00:00:10,577 --> 00:00:12,944 amy: There is a little girl here, 3 00:00:12,946 --> 00:00:15,347 and I was told, "don't be fooled by her." 4 00:00:15,349 --> 00:00:17,616 she wants the child. 5 00:00:17,618 --> 00:00:18,650 It's killing me. 6 00:00:18,652 --> 00:00:20,886 I see you're holding everything in. 7 00:00:20,888 --> 00:00:24,990 It's bad, and the energy is very chaotic. 8 00:00:26,827 --> 00:00:30,929 He was blown 15 feet and killed instantly. 9 00:00:30,931 --> 00:00:33,565 I'm not sure where I stand on that situation. 10 00:00:33,567 --> 00:00:35,166 You're believing about the dead people, 11 00:00:35,168 --> 00:00:36,401 but the thing up in the mountain here 12 00:00:36,403 --> 00:00:39,104 you're too up in the air about? 13 00:00:39,106 --> 00:00:41,139 Matt: So what happens when she takes them? 14 00:00:41,141 --> 00:00:43,742 Amy: They disappear. 15 00:00:43,744 --> 00:00:46,144 I'm hearing a devil's triangle. 16 00:00:46,146 --> 00:00:48,613 My name is amy allan. 17 00:00:48,615 --> 00:00:50,015 I see dead people. 18 00:00:50,017 --> 00:00:52,484 I think he might've been a stalker. 19 00:00:52,486 --> 00:00:54,753 I speak to dead people. 20 00:00:54,755 --> 00:00:56,621 And they speak to me. 21 00:00:56,623 --> 00:00:58,623 He will kill you. He has killed people. 22 00:00:58,625 --> 00:01:02,227 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 23 00:01:02,229 --> 00:01:04,029 They're being possessed. 24 00:01:04,031 --> 00:01:05,630 I rely on my partner. 25 00:01:05,632 --> 00:01:06,932 I'm steve dischiavi. 26 00:01:06,934 --> 00:01:09,034 I'm a retired new york city homicide detective. 27 00:01:09,036 --> 00:01:10,802 How many people died here over the years? 28 00:01:10,804 --> 00:01:14,539 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 29 00:01:14,541 --> 00:01:16,174 It's my job to reveal them. 30 00:01:16,176 --> 00:01:17,943 But steve and I never speak... 31 00:01:17,945 --> 00:01:20,078 We never communicate during an investigation. 32 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,479 ...Until the very end... 33 00:01:21,481 --> 00:01:23,415 This sketch is like a nightmare. 34 00:01:23,417 --> 00:01:25,450 ...When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 35 00:01:25,452 --> 00:01:28,019 [ crying ] I never thought that the biggest problem was me. 36 00:01:28,021 --> 00:01:29,721 ...Or time to get out. 37 00:01:29,723 --> 00:01:31,823 He could, more than likely, kill you. 38 00:01:31,825 --> 00:01:32,857 [ crying ] 39 00:01:32,859 --> 00:01:39,397 ?? 40 00:01:39,399 --> 00:01:45,937 ?? 41 00:01:45,939 --> 00:01:49,174 so, I'm out here in the small town of new philadelphia, ohio. 42 00:01:49,176 --> 00:01:51,276 It's about a half hour south of kent. 43 00:01:51,278 --> 00:01:53,144 I got a call from a newlywed named holly. 44 00:01:53,146 --> 00:01:55,680 Now, this poor lady sounded bad. 45 00:01:55,682 --> 00:01:58,016 These are supposed to be the best days of her life, 46 00:01:58,018 --> 00:02:00,986 but it's hell in there, and she says if we can't help, 47 00:02:00,988 --> 00:02:02,887 her new family ain't gonna make it. 48 00:02:02,889 --> 00:02:08,727 ?? 49 00:02:08,729 --> 00:02:14,566 ?? 50 00:02:14,568 --> 00:02:18,903 there's some crazy **** going on out here. 51 00:02:18,905 --> 00:02:20,905 Like, it's weird here. 52 00:02:20,907 --> 00:02:24,876 Feel sick, and... Ugh. 53 00:02:24,878 --> 00:02:27,012 I don't know what's going on. 54 00:02:28,015 --> 00:02:30,782 I don't like this, and it hurts. 55 00:02:30,784 --> 00:02:38,790 ?? 56 00:02:38,792 --> 00:02:41,393 steve: So, holly, when we spoke on the phone, 57 00:02:41,395 --> 00:02:44,696 you sounded pretty upset and angry, as a matter of fact, 58 00:02:44,698 --> 00:02:46,531 what the hell's going on in this house? 59 00:02:46,533 --> 00:02:50,935 Well, I feel like there's something evil here 60 00:02:50,937 --> 00:02:54,372 that is attacking my family 61 00:02:54,374 --> 00:02:58,777 and trying to tear apart my marriage. 62 00:02:58,779 --> 00:03:00,812 Alright, so let's start with the basics. 63 00:03:00,814 --> 00:03:02,981 It's you, your new husband, right? Yes. 64 00:03:02,983 --> 00:03:04,349 Who else is living in the house? 65 00:03:04,351 --> 00:03:09,320 Well, my son dryden. He's 3. 66 00:03:09,322 --> 00:03:10,488 My husband, mike. 67 00:03:10,490 --> 00:03:13,425 And this is my son, cyrelle. He's 7. 68 00:03:13,427 --> 00:03:15,160 He's on the autism spectrum, 69 00:03:15,162 --> 00:03:19,030 and he can't verbalize what he's seeing himself. 70 00:03:19,032 --> 00:03:20,432 This poor kid can be going through hell, 71 00:03:20,434 --> 00:03:21,833 and you wouldn't know, really. 72 00:03:21,835 --> 00:03:23,001 Right, he can't. 73 00:03:23,003 --> 00:03:24,602 There's no way for him to tell me. 74 00:03:24,604 --> 00:03:25,804 Now, have you tried anything 75 00:03:25,806 --> 00:03:27,706 to try to fight what's going on here? 76 00:03:27,708 --> 00:03:30,775 Yes, there were two mediums that came here. 77 00:03:30,777 --> 00:03:35,480 They helped bless my home. However, that didn't work. 78 00:03:35,482 --> 00:03:39,050 After they left, it kind of got worse. 79 00:03:39,052 --> 00:03:41,152 Do me a favor. Give me a list of what you guys 80 00:03:41,154 --> 00:03:42,721 were experiencing in the house. 81 00:03:42,723 --> 00:03:44,155 Creepy sounds. 82 00:03:44,157 --> 00:03:45,857 Okay. 83 00:03:45,859 --> 00:03:49,160 We feel like we're being watched. 84 00:03:49,162 --> 00:03:54,199 It's become more violent, and I've had mood changes. 85 00:03:54,201 --> 00:03:56,568 These mood changes -- so what happens. 86 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:57,836 It comes on really fast. 87 00:03:57,838 --> 00:03:59,738 I can be in a really great mood 88 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:04,142 and then my whole entire energy just kind of changes. 89 00:04:04,144 --> 00:04:08,747 I'm pissed. And usually it's at my husband. 90 00:04:08,749 --> 00:04:10,381 I'm not aware of what I'm saying. 91 00:04:10,383 --> 00:04:12,450 I'm not aware of what I'm doing. 92 00:04:12,452 --> 00:04:15,687 I guess I've told him I don't want to be his wife anymore, 93 00:04:15,689 --> 00:04:18,456 that I can't stand him. 94 00:04:18,458 --> 00:04:20,859 It's not for nothing, but your poor husband 95 00:04:20,861 --> 00:04:22,127 having to deal with that, 96 00:04:22,129 --> 00:04:23,795 it's got to be tough on him, too. 97 00:04:23,797 --> 00:04:26,297 I know that he's at his breaking point. 98 00:04:26,299 --> 00:04:27,599 He hasn't left yet. 99 00:04:27,601 --> 00:04:29,601 No. Surprisingly. 100 00:04:29,603 --> 00:04:30,635 Now, let me ask you a question. 101 00:04:30,637 --> 00:04:31,669 With all the stuff that's going on, 102 00:04:31,671 --> 00:04:32,971 how are you dealing with it? 103 00:04:32,973 --> 00:04:34,572 Never mind everybody else. 104 00:04:34,574 --> 00:04:36,741 I'm afraid my marriage is going to fail. 105 00:04:36,743 --> 00:04:40,211 - Okay. - And the stress... 106 00:04:40,213 --> 00:04:42,380 It's killing me. 107 00:04:42,382 --> 00:04:44,582 I see you're holding everything in. 108 00:04:44,584 --> 00:04:46,284 [ chuckles ] 109 00:04:46,286 --> 00:04:48,653 okay. 110 00:04:48,655 --> 00:04:50,522 It's alright. We here now, right? 111 00:04:52,559 --> 00:04:55,326 I'm usually a really strong person. 112 00:04:55,328 --> 00:04:56,961 You can only take so much. 113 00:04:56,963 --> 00:05:06,971 ?? 114 00:05:06,973 --> 00:05:08,106 uh-oh. 115 00:05:10,076 --> 00:05:14,078 I know there's quite a few people down there. 116 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,547 Dead people. 117 00:05:17,617 --> 00:05:19,217 They're hiding. 118 00:05:20,420 --> 00:05:23,054 Hmm. 119 00:05:23,056 --> 00:05:25,356 Why are y'all hiding? 120 00:05:25,358 --> 00:05:28,893 What's going on? 121 00:05:28,895 --> 00:05:32,764 I mean, there's at least 10 people 122 00:05:32,766 --> 00:05:36,467 I'm getting all -- men and women and children. 123 00:05:36,469 --> 00:05:39,904 They're being quiet. They think I'm evil. 124 00:05:39,906 --> 00:05:46,110 Like, something has happened to them to make them afraid of, 125 00:05:46,112 --> 00:05:47,846 I guess, people like me. 126 00:05:47,848 --> 00:05:50,114 - Meaning? - Like, mediums. 127 00:05:50,116 --> 00:05:54,786 Something bad really, really freaked them out. 128 00:05:54,788 --> 00:06:00,859 ?? 129 00:06:00,861 --> 00:06:03,995 steve: Okay, holly, so what's going on down here? 130 00:06:03,997 --> 00:06:06,998 I am not comfortable down here at all. 131 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,766 - You seem a little agitated. - Yes. 132 00:06:08,768 --> 00:06:11,636 You constantly feel like you're being watched here. 133 00:06:11,638 --> 00:06:13,838 You feel like somebody's always here with you. 134 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:17,575 Are you getting a feeling of being watched right now? Yes. 135 00:06:17,577 --> 00:06:19,410 Where's that feeling coming from? 136 00:06:19,412 --> 00:06:21,412 Specifically that one a lot. 137 00:06:21,414 --> 00:06:22,647 Okay, so this room here? 138 00:06:22,649 --> 00:06:24,649 Okay, stay right here. 139 00:06:24,651 --> 00:06:28,586 ?? 140 00:06:28,588 --> 00:06:29,921 yeah, it's kind of creepy. 141 00:06:29,923 --> 00:06:32,657 ?? 142 00:06:32,659 --> 00:06:35,727 I mean, anything else? - I hear voices and noises. 143 00:06:35,729 --> 00:06:37,195 Okay, so let's talk about the noises. 144 00:06:37,197 --> 00:06:38,997 What are you hearing? - Like, footsteps. 145 00:06:38,999 --> 00:06:42,533 Seem like an adult to you? - Yeah, it's pretty heavy. 146 00:06:42,535 --> 00:06:44,802 Okay, so let's talk about the voices now. 147 00:06:44,804 --> 00:06:46,137 What do those sound like? 148 00:06:46,139 --> 00:06:48,239 They sound like a male. They're very deep. 149 00:06:48,241 --> 00:06:52,577 I've been told upstairs in our room before to get out. 150 00:06:52,579 --> 00:06:53,811 Could it be a tv is on 151 00:06:53,813 --> 00:06:56,414 and you're hearing talking on the tv? 152 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:59,083 No, usually, we don't have the tv on. 153 00:06:59,085 --> 00:07:01,185 Okay, so anything else? 154 00:07:01,187 --> 00:07:03,655 We have seen shadow figures through the house. 155 00:07:03,657 --> 00:07:05,156 What size are these shadow figures? 156 00:07:05,158 --> 00:07:06,891 One is very large. 157 00:07:06,893 --> 00:07:09,160 It can block out a whole doorway. 158 00:07:09,162 --> 00:07:12,697 And then the other one is slightly smaller. 159 00:07:12,699 --> 00:07:14,232 What do you think it is? 160 00:07:14,234 --> 00:07:18,803 It's like they have negative intentions or they're trying to 161 00:07:18,805 --> 00:07:23,074 make me feel uncomfortable. - Okay. 162 00:07:23,076 --> 00:07:26,110 Amy: The dead come in here often. 163 00:07:26,112 --> 00:07:28,546 I see them sinking into the walls. 164 00:07:30,884 --> 00:07:34,385 The living, I think, would hear them talking. 165 00:07:34,387 --> 00:07:36,154 Mainly the men. 166 00:07:36,156 --> 00:07:38,890 ?? 167 00:07:38,892 --> 00:07:40,858 they would hear walking. So, I mean, 168 00:07:40,860 --> 00:07:42,894 I'm sure they feel uncomfortable, 169 00:07:42,896 --> 00:07:45,096 living people coming down here. 170 00:07:45,098 --> 00:07:48,299 They might see, you know, shadow figures and whatnot. 171 00:07:48,301 --> 00:07:51,302 This is bad. 172 00:07:51,304 --> 00:07:57,041 ?? 173 00:07:57,043 --> 00:07:59,177 steve: Okay, so, what's going on there? 174 00:07:59,179 --> 00:08:03,881 The kids have wakened with random marks on their body. 175 00:08:03,883 --> 00:08:05,483 Okay, so what does it look like? 176 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:06,951 I have some pictures. 177 00:08:06,953 --> 00:08:10,855 ?? 178 00:08:10,857 --> 00:08:12,156 these look like chicken pox. 179 00:08:12,158 --> 00:08:14,192 You get them checked out by the doctor? Yeah. 180 00:08:14,194 --> 00:08:16,260 Alright, so what'd the doctor say? 181 00:08:16,262 --> 00:08:18,596 He has no idea what happened. 182 00:08:18,598 --> 00:08:20,965 I can't tell what this could be, but, obviously, 183 00:08:20,967 --> 00:08:24,702 your older son can't tell us what's going on, really. 184 00:08:24,704 --> 00:08:25,870 Right. 185 00:08:25,872 --> 00:08:27,705 I mean, I don't know if it's paranormal or not, 186 00:08:27,707 --> 00:08:31,109 but it's definitely something that I'd be concerned about... 187 00:08:31,111 --> 00:08:32,477 - Right. - ...One way or the other. 188 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:34,412 I mean, has anything like this ever happened to you? 189 00:08:34,414 --> 00:08:39,283 Yes, I actually have been scratched 190 00:08:39,285 --> 00:08:41,519 while I was in the shower. 191 00:08:41,521 --> 00:08:43,054 And the water wasn't extremely hot 192 00:08:43,056 --> 00:08:45,456 or anything like that, right? - No. 193 00:08:45,458 --> 00:08:47,558 Alright, so has anything else physical happened to you 194 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:48,393 in the house? 195 00:08:48,395 --> 00:08:51,696 I had... 196 00:08:51,698 --> 00:08:54,632 Something in my room happen, where I was laying in bed. 197 00:08:54,634 --> 00:08:58,036 I just felt this hand come all the way up the side of my body. 198 00:08:58,038 --> 00:08:59,570 - Male or female? - Male. 199 00:08:59,572 --> 00:09:00,872 Well, not for nothing, 200 00:09:00,874 --> 00:09:03,107 it sounds like you're getting assaulted. Yeah. 201 00:09:03,109 --> 00:09:05,143 I mean, yeah, if I could physically see somebody 202 00:09:05,145 --> 00:09:08,780 and they did that, I would call that assault, yeah. 203 00:09:08,782 --> 00:09:10,148 It's not good. 204 00:09:10,150 --> 00:09:12,216 That's why I called for help. 205 00:09:12,218 --> 00:09:13,684 You know, I need to figure this out, 206 00:09:13,686 --> 00:09:17,021 and I need to make my house safe. 207 00:09:17,023 --> 00:09:19,957 ?? 208 00:09:19,959 --> 00:09:22,794 amy: There is a little girl here, 209 00:09:22,796 --> 00:09:25,563 and I was told, "don't be fooled by her." 210 00:09:25,565 --> 00:09:31,102 she's definitely occupying this location. 211 00:09:31,104 --> 00:09:33,971 She wants the child. 212 00:09:33,973 --> 00:09:35,206 Matt: W-what child? 213 00:09:35,208 --> 00:09:38,142 I think it's a living child, 'cause she wants it. 214 00:09:38,144 --> 00:09:39,944 She's having a hard time getting it. 215 00:09:39,946 --> 00:09:44,649 I think that she does this sometimes, 216 00:09:44,651 --> 00:09:46,751 takes people, living people. 217 00:09:48,822 --> 00:09:50,822 She seems to like kids. 218 00:09:50,824 --> 00:09:52,757 So what happens when she takes them? 219 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:54,592 They disappear. 220 00:09:54,594 --> 00:09:58,563 So they wouldn't be seen, heard from again. 221 00:09:58,565 --> 00:10:00,932 I think she just plays with them until they die. 222 00:10:10,110 --> 00:10:15,580 ?? 223 00:10:15,582 --> 00:10:21,052 ?? 224 00:10:21,054 --> 00:10:22,386 so, zac, I understand that you're 225 00:10:22,388 --> 00:10:23,921 good friends with holly and mike. 226 00:10:23,923 --> 00:10:25,456 - Yes, sir, I am. - You have any concerns 227 00:10:25,458 --> 00:10:26,958 about the stuff they're going through? 228 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,494 Yes, sir. I worry about the kids. 229 00:10:29,496 --> 00:10:31,362 - Have you had experiences? - Yes, sir. 230 00:10:31,364 --> 00:10:33,264 Alright, so, why don't you go over some of them with me? 231 00:10:33,266 --> 00:10:35,333 Well, the first one, it was down in the basement, 232 00:10:35,335 --> 00:10:36,701 and I went down there 233 00:10:36,703 --> 00:10:39,604 and I'd felt something from the top of the stairs. 234 00:10:39,606 --> 00:10:42,073 Like, it was just uneasy-feeling. 235 00:10:42,075 --> 00:10:43,274 What do you think it was? 236 00:10:43,276 --> 00:10:46,344 Something demonic is how I'd put it. 237 00:10:46,346 --> 00:10:47,912 So, zac, when I spoke to holly earlier, 238 00:10:47,914 --> 00:10:50,581 she was saying that she felt watched in the basement. 239 00:10:50,583 --> 00:10:51,949 Do you ever get that kind of feeling down there. 240 00:10:51,951 --> 00:10:53,151 All the time, sir. 241 00:10:53,153 --> 00:10:56,654 I just feel the hair on the back of my neck stand up. 242 00:10:56,656 --> 00:10:58,322 - Okay. Anything else? - Yes, sir. 243 00:10:58,324 --> 00:11:00,258 Actually, it happened right over here. 244 00:11:00,260 --> 00:11:01,292 I thought I seen something moving, 245 00:11:01,294 --> 00:11:03,494 so I figure it's a deer, but it wasn't. 246 00:11:03,496 --> 00:11:04,662 Looked like it was walking upright. 247 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:05,963 Alright, now, you think your eyes 248 00:11:05,965 --> 00:11:07,832 might've been playing tricks with ya? No, sir. 249 00:11:07,834 --> 00:11:10,735 Can you get an idea of how tall it was from down there? 250 00:11:10,737 --> 00:11:12,303 It's definitely taller than me. It was. 251 00:11:12,305 --> 00:11:14,005 I just looked out and stared at it for a little bit, 252 00:11:14,007 --> 00:11:16,541 and it just vanished whenever I started to walk up the hill. 253 00:11:16,543 --> 00:11:18,342 Okay, what do you think it was? 254 00:11:18,344 --> 00:11:21,512 I don't know what it was or why it's here. 255 00:11:21,514 --> 00:11:22,980 I don't want it here. 256 00:11:22,982 --> 00:11:24,182 Okay. 257 00:11:24,184 --> 00:11:27,251 ?? 258 00:11:27,253 --> 00:11:32,390 I think the little girl... She's... Like an animal. 259 00:11:32,392 --> 00:11:35,626 ?? 260 00:11:35,628 --> 00:11:38,596 she doesn't want us to go back there 261 00:11:38,598 --> 00:11:40,331 and she can change shape. 262 00:11:40,333 --> 00:11:43,301 She can get bigger. But still like an animal. 263 00:11:43,303 --> 00:11:45,570 Matt: Would the living have any experiences with her? 264 00:11:45,572 --> 00:11:48,773 I do think they would probably see something back here, 265 00:11:48,775 --> 00:11:50,608 like an animal of some sort 266 00:11:50,610 --> 00:11:52,977 that would be frightening to them. 267 00:11:52,979 --> 00:11:55,613 ?? 268 00:11:55,615 --> 00:11:58,416 the dead are definitely indicating 269 00:11:58,418 --> 00:12:02,720 that she comes from the woods and the trees. 270 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:05,256 I think that she's always been here. 271 00:12:05,258 --> 00:12:07,725 What sort of things has she been doing? 272 00:12:07,727 --> 00:12:10,228 Well, I know she's taken people. 273 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:17,101 ?? 274 00:12:17,103 --> 00:12:18,903 so, mike, talking to your wife, holly, today, 275 00:12:18,905 --> 00:12:20,304 she's pretty upset about everything. 276 00:12:20,306 --> 00:12:22,306 She says something's taking over her, 277 00:12:22,308 --> 00:12:24,875 basically, and making her go into a rage. 278 00:12:24,877 --> 00:12:28,012 Have you noticed that? - Yeah. At night, she'll wake up, 279 00:12:28,014 --> 00:12:30,014 she'll say the dumbest things to me, 280 00:12:30,016 --> 00:12:31,782 like, "I'm done with the marriage." 281 00:12:31,784 --> 00:12:34,318 then the next morning, I'll tell her about it, 282 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,455 and 90% of the time, she don't even remember what she said. 283 00:12:37,457 --> 00:12:39,156 Well, you know, she said she's petrified 284 00:12:39,158 --> 00:12:40,992 that you're gonna walk. - I'm not. 285 00:12:40,994 --> 00:12:43,027 And if she's going through something, she's my wife 286 00:12:43,029 --> 00:12:44,595 through sickness or health. 287 00:12:44,597 --> 00:12:46,397 So right now, we're going through the bad. 288 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:47,832 We'll experience the good later. 289 00:12:47,834 --> 00:12:53,437 ?? 290 00:12:53,439 --> 00:12:55,339 amy: There's a male here. 291 00:12:55,341 --> 00:12:57,241 He's dead. 292 00:12:57,243 --> 00:13:00,311 This is a lot of anger here. 293 00:13:00,313 --> 00:13:03,648 The living are having experiences 294 00:13:03,650 --> 00:13:07,551 in this back area with this male. 295 00:13:07,553 --> 00:13:11,022 They're seeing this person, but I don't know how, 296 00:13:11,024 --> 00:13:12,556 and I'm not even seeing him. 297 00:13:12,558 --> 00:13:18,629 Feel like more like he's inside of me, like I smell him. 298 00:13:18,631 --> 00:13:21,632 He's doing something to the people here, 299 00:13:21,634 --> 00:13:25,369 but I am trying to get what. 300 00:13:25,371 --> 00:13:27,838 They feel him. 301 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,141 That makes them scared. 302 00:13:31,811 --> 00:13:35,246 Wants to jump in somebody? No problem. 303 00:13:35,248 --> 00:13:40,518 ?? 304 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,186 I feel hatred. 305 00:13:42,188 --> 00:13:45,256 That hatred overwhelms him. Mm. 306 00:13:45,258 --> 00:13:47,325 Then I think he wants to hurt people. 307 00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:50,094 ?? 308 00:13:50,096 --> 00:13:53,264 steve: Okay, so as far as experiences go, have you had any? 309 00:13:53,266 --> 00:13:54,832 I've had some. 310 00:13:54,834 --> 00:13:57,802 One in particular was, we're laying in bed. 311 00:13:57,804 --> 00:14:00,004 All of a sudden I feel the blankets 312 00:14:00,006 --> 00:14:03,341 going underneath my leg and wrapping me up. 313 00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:05,176 Any animals in the house that can come in and -- 314 00:14:05,178 --> 00:14:08,079 no, dog stays downstairs. He isn't allowed upstairs. 315 00:14:08,081 --> 00:14:09,513 Okay. Alright. 316 00:14:09,515 --> 00:14:11,549 So that's one thing. Anything else? 317 00:14:11,551 --> 00:14:14,819 My wife noticed scratches on my arm one night. 318 00:14:14,821 --> 00:14:17,054 So her and the kids both have been scratched. 319 00:14:17,056 --> 00:14:18,489 - Yes. - Where were your scratches? 320 00:14:18,491 --> 00:14:19,957 Actually, I have a photo right here, 321 00:14:19,959 --> 00:14:21,959 and they're on the back of my left arm. 322 00:14:23,996 --> 00:14:25,730 Oh. 323 00:14:25,732 --> 00:14:28,833 ?? 324 00:14:28,835 --> 00:14:31,001 I got to be honest with you, bro. 325 00:14:31,003 --> 00:14:32,403 You've had more experiences 326 00:14:32,405 --> 00:14:35,573 than most husbands I've interviewed in almost 200 cases. 327 00:14:35,575 --> 00:14:37,274 I mean, why don't you just move? - I don't know. 328 00:14:37,276 --> 00:14:39,143 I guess I just feel like I can handle it. 329 00:14:39,145 --> 00:14:42,747 I'm a fixer, not a runner. I'd rather fix. Right. Okay. 330 00:14:42,749 --> 00:14:46,317 ?? 331 00:14:46,319 --> 00:14:50,154 amy: It's loud up here. Damn. Mm. 332 00:14:50,156 --> 00:14:52,223 And it's a guy just yelling, 333 00:14:52,225 --> 00:14:54,091 "get out of here. I don't want you. 334 00:14:54,093 --> 00:14:55,693 What are you doing?" 335 00:14:57,997 --> 00:15:00,664 it's like full blast. 336 00:15:00,666 --> 00:15:01,799 It's bad. 337 00:15:01,801 --> 00:15:04,535 And the energy is very chaotic. 338 00:15:06,539 --> 00:15:09,840 Like, I think that the living would be restless up here. 339 00:15:09,842 --> 00:15:14,011 I think that they would become extremely irritated 340 00:15:14,013 --> 00:15:15,780 and probably aggressive. 341 00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:21,252 I know he's getting into bed with people. 342 00:15:21,254 --> 00:15:24,922 He's not jumping them. He's melding with them. 343 00:15:24,924 --> 00:15:29,994 Jumping is more violent. This is more intimate. 344 00:15:29,996 --> 00:15:32,463 And he likes that because then he knows them, 345 00:15:32,465 --> 00:15:35,933 he knows everything about that person. 346 00:15:44,977 --> 00:15:48,746 ?? 347 00:15:48,748 --> 00:15:50,047 steve: Okay, so before I got to town, 348 00:15:50,049 --> 00:15:51,482 I reached out to a whole bunch of locals 349 00:15:51,484 --> 00:15:54,118 and asked them to look at their property for me. 350 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,619 A genealogist who helped me before 351 00:15:55,621 --> 00:15:58,456 just called and said she hit the jackpot. 352 00:15:58,458 --> 00:16:01,559 Turns out the guy who built holly and mike's house 353 00:16:01,561 --> 00:16:03,327 lived his life in shame, 354 00:16:03,329 --> 00:16:05,196 and it was all because of his son. 355 00:16:05,198 --> 00:16:11,402 ?? 356 00:16:11,404 --> 00:16:14,038 steve: So, kim, I appreciate you helping me out once again. 357 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,406 Kim: No problem. 358 00:16:15,408 --> 00:16:17,074 On the phone, you said the previous owner 359 00:16:17,076 --> 00:16:18,943 had some issues with his son. 360 00:16:18,945 --> 00:16:21,479 Before we get to that, when did he move onto the property? 361 00:16:21,481 --> 00:16:24,348 Rudy rothacher bought the property 362 00:16:24,350 --> 00:16:28,786 back in 1946 and built that house 363 00:16:28,788 --> 00:16:30,855 that your client is living in right now. 364 00:16:30,857 --> 00:16:32,256 Alright, what do we know about this guy? 365 00:16:32,258 --> 00:16:33,224 He was a miner. 366 00:16:33,226 --> 00:16:35,125 The family had a business -- 367 00:16:35,127 --> 00:16:38,662 rothacher brothers mining company. 368 00:16:38,664 --> 00:16:42,600 When his father passed away, he took over the mine. 369 00:16:42,602 --> 00:16:44,068 Okay, so he's built a new home, 370 00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:46,136 and he's running the family business. 371 00:16:46,138 --> 00:16:47,571 How's it go for him from there? 372 00:16:47,573 --> 00:16:48,906 Things were pretty good. 373 00:16:48,908 --> 00:16:52,543 He married a local woman by the name of arlene. Okay. 374 00:16:52,545 --> 00:16:56,313 A year after they moved in, they welcomed a son, richard, 375 00:16:56,315 --> 00:16:58,949 and a year after that. A daughter, gloria. 376 00:16:58,951 --> 00:17:00,451 His son, richard, I assume this is who 377 00:17:00,453 --> 00:17:02,453 we're talking about that he had problems with. Yes. 378 00:17:02,455 --> 00:17:04,255 Okay, what happened with this kid? 379 00:17:04,257 --> 00:17:08,092 In 1967, he joined the military, 380 00:17:08,094 --> 00:17:11,629 height of the vietnam war, and he went a awol. 381 00:17:11,631 --> 00:17:13,597 They labeled him as a deserter. 382 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:19,303 The fbi tracked him down at his home and put him in jail. 383 00:17:19,305 --> 00:17:22,606 This is an article from the local paper. 384 00:17:22,608 --> 00:17:25,342 Alright, so now rudy's got a disgrace for his son. 385 00:17:25,344 --> 00:17:27,645 He's got to deal with -- how's it go for him after that? 386 00:17:27,647 --> 00:17:28,879 Gets worse. 387 00:17:28,881 --> 00:17:32,383 A few years after the incident with the awol, 388 00:17:32,385 --> 00:17:34,285 the mine shut down. 389 00:17:34,287 --> 00:17:35,953 A few years after that, 390 00:17:35,955 --> 00:17:38,255 rudy's sitting at the dinner table 391 00:17:38,257 --> 00:17:41,392 drops dead of a major heart attack. 392 00:17:41,394 --> 00:17:44,495 Okay, and this is in my clients' -- in your clients' house. 393 00:17:44,497 --> 00:17:46,564 Alright, so, how old was he when he died? 394 00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:50,067 Here's his obituary. He was only 55. 395 00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:53,070 - Alright, so now rudy's dead. - Mm-hmm. 396 00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:54,705 What happened with the family after that? 397 00:17:54,707 --> 00:17:58,943 Few years later, richard is out mowing the grass, 398 00:17:58,945 --> 00:18:03,347 drops dead of a heart attack right on your clients' property. 399 00:18:03,349 --> 00:18:05,449 He was 35 years old. 400 00:18:05,451 --> 00:18:09,720 ?? 401 00:18:09,722 --> 00:18:11,989 amy: This angry man who jumps people 402 00:18:11,991 --> 00:18:14,992 is here with someone else. 403 00:18:14,994 --> 00:18:17,494 The living hear the arguing. 404 00:18:17,496 --> 00:18:18,562 It's something that happened 405 00:18:18,564 --> 00:18:21,332 when he was here and he was alive. 406 00:18:21,334 --> 00:18:23,667 There was this fighting between these two men. 407 00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:26,804 ?? 408 00:18:26,806 --> 00:18:29,340 this other guy, he gets agitated. 409 00:18:29,342 --> 00:18:32,309 It feels like his life was a failure. 410 00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:38,048 And, like, literally makes me nauseous 411 00:18:38,050 --> 00:18:42,086 when I'm trying to tap into him and his life. 412 00:18:42,088 --> 00:18:45,322 I don't know if he owned it or if he lived here. 413 00:18:45,324 --> 00:18:46,824 [ exhales sharply ] 414 00:18:46,826 --> 00:18:48,592 it's so loud. 415 00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:52,429 Alright, so both father and son are dead. 416 00:18:52,431 --> 00:18:54,732 What happened with the widow, arlene? 417 00:18:54,734 --> 00:18:57,034 She kind of had a rough time of it. 418 00:18:57,036 --> 00:19:00,804 Her sister-in-law came after her for part of the land. 419 00:19:00,806 --> 00:19:02,606 Can you explain to me why the sister-in-law thinks 420 00:19:02,608 --> 00:19:03,874 she's entitled to anything? 421 00:19:03,876 --> 00:19:06,443 That land was the family business. 422 00:19:06,445 --> 00:19:09,146 She thought she had a claim on it. 423 00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:10,280 Alright, so now there's the lawsuit. 424 00:19:10,282 --> 00:19:12,750 How'd it go for arlene? - Not that great. 425 00:19:12,752 --> 00:19:15,986 The sister-in-law won the lawsuit. 426 00:19:15,988 --> 00:19:19,156 They said that arlene could keep the house. 427 00:19:19,158 --> 00:19:20,624 Not for nothing, but if I was arlene, 428 00:19:20,626 --> 00:19:22,626 I'd have a bitter taste in my mouth for what happened. 429 00:19:22,628 --> 00:19:24,795 She loses her husband, then she loses a son, 430 00:19:24,797 --> 00:19:26,296 then she loses all her property. 431 00:19:26,298 --> 00:19:28,599 I mean, did she even bother staying in the house after that? 432 00:19:28,601 --> 00:19:29,867 Yes, she did. 433 00:19:29,869 --> 00:19:33,604 She and gloria lived in the house until 1987... 434 00:19:33,606 --> 00:19:34,972 Okay. 435 00:19:34,974 --> 00:19:38,976 ...When she dropped dead sitting on her living-room couch 436 00:19:38,978 --> 00:19:41,578 watching tv of a...? 437 00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:43,414 - Heart attack. - ...Heart attack. 438 00:19:43,416 --> 00:19:44,948 You've got it, steve. 439 00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:48,652 - How old was she? - She was only 63. 440 00:19:48,654 --> 00:19:51,455 Three family members -- husband, wife, a son -- 441 00:19:51,457 --> 00:19:54,825 all dying relatively young from heart attacks 442 00:19:54,827 --> 00:19:57,327 in my clients' property. 443 00:19:57,329 --> 00:19:58,562 I mean, I don't know if it's hereditary... Coincidence? 444 00:19:58,564 --> 00:20:01,231 ...Coincidence, or what, but I hope 445 00:20:01,233 --> 00:20:02,633 this had nothing to do with the paranormal. 446 00:20:02,635 --> 00:20:05,002 That I can't give you an answer to. 447 00:20:05,004 --> 00:20:07,705 Well, that's not what you and I are here for. 448 00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:09,306 That's something on amy's end of things. 449 00:20:09,308 --> 00:20:12,076 ?? 450 00:20:12,078 --> 00:20:16,346 amy: There is this little old lady sitting in a chair 451 00:20:16,348 --> 00:20:20,283 like she's the queen, 452 00:20:20,285 --> 00:20:22,586 and she's just sitting there glaring at me. 453 00:20:22,588 --> 00:20:25,656 And she goes, "I am at war with you. 454 00:20:25,658 --> 00:20:27,558 Why would I speak to you?" 455 00:20:28,961 --> 00:20:33,063 nasty, old woman. 456 00:20:33,065 --> 00:20:35,766 - She owned this... - Mm-hmm. 457 00:20:35,768 --> 00:20:40,370 ...For sure, and she ran this place. 458 00:20:40,372 --> 00:20:43,507 ?? 459 00:20:43,509 --> 00:20:45,676 definitely had kids. 460 00:20:45,678 --> 00:20:48,579 She doesn't want living people here. 461 00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:51,281 She wants them out. 462 00:20:51,283 --> 00:20:53,650 And how is she doing that? 463 00:20:53,652 --> 00:20:57,421 She is trying to influence them in some way. 464 00:20:57,423 --> 00:21:03,026 She's potentially plotting something very bad, 465 00:21:03,028 --> 00:21:05,362 possibly plotting murder. 466 00:21:07,032 --> 00:21:09,767 Alright, new philadelphia is an old mining town, 467 00:21:09,769 --> 00:21:11,602 and it doesn't take a genius to figure out 468 00:21:11,604 --> 00:21:14,538 there must've been some accidents out here. 469 00:21:14,540 --> 00:21:17,040 So I'm heading over to meet my old friend mary jamba, 470 00:21:17,042 --> 00:21:20,677 who says she found a deadly one not too far from holly's house. 471 00:21:20,679 --> 00:21:27,451 ?? 472 00:21:27,453 --> 00:21:29,753 so, mary, I appreciate your meeting with me again. 473 00:21:29,755 --> 00:21:31,822 On the phone, you mentioned this mining accident happened 474 00:21:31,824 --> 00:21:33,423 real close to my clients' property. 475 00:21:33,425 --> 00:21:34,691 So what happened? 476 00:21:34,693 --> 00:21:38,929 Well, this is back on January 3, 1931 477 00:21:38,931 --> 00:21:41,165 in the midvale coal mine. 478 00:21:41,167 --> 00:21:44,535 This was just about a mile from your clients' property. 479 00:21:44,537 --> 00:21:46,537 - Okay. - It was a Saturday morning, 480 00:21:46,539 --> 00:21:50,073 and 19 men went into the coal mine. 481 00:21:50,075 --> 00:21:53,010 - Okay. - And it was a huge mine. 482 00:21:53,012 --> 00:21:56,947 They would have to take elevators three miles down 483 00:21:56,949 --> 00:21:58,882 to get into this mine. 484 00:21:58,884 --> 00:22:00,517 Oh, so these guys were pretty far down. 485 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:03,053 Yes, and once the 19 men went down, 486 00:22:03,055 --> 00:22:05,489 they split into different teams. 487 00:22:05,491 --> 00:22:08,392 And what they would do is they'd make these crude explosives 488 00:22:08,394 --> 00:22:10,494 to go and break open the coal 489 00:22:10,496 --> 00:22:12,996 so that it would be easier to extract. 490 00:22:12,998 --> 00:22:15,599 So they went and they put two charges in, 491 00:22:15,601 --> 00:22:19,436 it misfired and went back and caused a big fireball, 492 00:22:19,438 --> 00:22:23,507 and then that hit these 24 sticks of dynamite 493 00:22:23,509 --> 00:22:25,108 that were lying nearby, 494 00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:27,244 and that made an even bigger explosion. 495 00:22:27,246 --> 00:22:29,379 So this is a chain reaction that happened. 496 00:22:29,381 --> 00:22:30,747 Yes. 497 00:22:30,749 --> 00:22:36,086 One man, he was blown 15 feet and killed instantly. Okay. 498 00:22:36,088 --> 00:22:40,691 And the other four, their eardrums were -- just popped. 499 00:22:40,693 --> 00:22:43,961 They tried to escape, but it's also completely dark 500 00:22:43,963 --> 00:22:46,630 because the explosion also blew out the lights. 501 00:22:46,632 --> 00:22:48,932 So they can't see, they can't hear, 502 00:22:48,934 --> 00:22:52,069 and they're overcome by the toxic fumes. 503 00:22:52,071 --> 00:22:57,274 And this was a huge story. It was front-page news. 504 00:22:57,276 --> 00:22:58,709 I mean, nobody should die this way. 505 00:22:58,711 --> 00:22:59,910 No, nobody. 506 00:22:59,912 --> 00:23:03,247 ?? 507 00:23:03,249 --> 00:23:05,215 amy: I see this muddy path. 508 00:23:06,819 --> 00:23:10,520 The path leads to a cave. 509 00:23:10,522 --> 00:23:11,989 It goes downward. 510 00:23:11,991 --> 00:23:15,459 I saw three arms sticking out of the mud. 511 00:23:15,461 --> 00:23:20,030 ?? 512 00:23:20,032 --> 00:23:24,668 and I felt like they -- all three of them were males. 513 00:23:24,670 --> 00:23:26,203 Maybe they're trying to leave, 514 00:23:26,205 --> 00:23:28,505 but they get sucked back. 515 00:23:28,507 --> 00:23:29,539 They're dead. 516 00:23:29,541 --> 00:23:37,514 ?? 517 00:23:37,516 --> 00:23:39,483 for more information about the show 518 00:23:39,485 --> 00:23:41,051 and if you need us to investigate 519 00:23:41,053 --> 00:23:42,886 unexplained activity in your home... 520 00:23:42,888 --> 00:23:46,423 Please visit travelchannel.Com/thedeadfiles. 521 00:23:46,425 --> 00:23:48,659 Click on "help me, dead files" to submit your story, 522 00:23:48,661 --> 00:23:49,493 and we'll help if we can. 523 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,167 ?? 524 00:23:57,169 --> 00:24:00,137 steve: So far, I've got newlyweds whose marriage is falling apart 525 00:24:00,139 --> 00:24:03,440 due to violent activity in a house with three family members 526 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:05,042 all died of heart attacks, 527 00:24:05,044 --> 00:24:08,278 but I want to see if there's anything else. 528 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,914 Searching through old records, I discovered a deadly fire 529 00:24:10,916 --> 00:24:12,816 that took place at a poor house 530 00:24:12,818 --> 00:24:15,018 only a mile from holly and mike's property. 531 00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:19,389 Okay, so I'm heading over to meet a local journalist 532 00:24:19,391 --> 00:24:21,391 who knows all about this story. 533 00:24:21,393 --> 00:24:24,194 He says this entire tragedy could've been avoided 534 00:24:24,196 --> 00:24:27,864 if a severely disturbed patient had not been left alone. 535 00:24:27,866 --> 00:24:34,104 ?? 536 00:24:34,106 --> 00:24:37,074 well, jon, I appreciate you helping me out with this case. 537 00:24:37,076 --> 00:24:40,110 So this tragedy that happened right near my clients' house, 538 00:24:40,112 --> 00:24:41,411 what can you tell me about it? 539 00:24:41,413 --> 00:24:42,779 Well, in the early 1800s, 540 00:24:42,781 --> 00:24:45,248 the state of ohio authorized the counties 541 00:24:45,250 --> 00:24:48,051 to build poor houses for indigent peoples. 542 00:24:48,053 --> 00:24:50,921 In 1843, tuscarawas county built theirs 543 00:24:50,923 --> 00:24:53,590 about a mile from your clients' home. 544 00:24:53,592 --> 00:24:57,260 And later on, they expanded to include a special building 545 00:24:57,262 --> 00:24:59,062 to house the mentally ill. 546 00:24:59,064 --> 00:25:02,632 And here's a picture of what the place looked like. 547 00:25:02,634 --> 00:25:04,167 So, jon, I know in past cases, 548 00:25:04,169 --> 00:25:06,103 mental hospitals were pretty bad 549 00:25:06,105 --> 00:25:07,371 as far as conditions went. 550 00:25:07,373 --> 00:25:08,438 What was it like in this place? 551 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,674 The conditions weren't very good here either. 552 00:25:10,676 --> 00:25:12,943 Patients were confined to cells, 553 00:25:12,945 --> 00:25:15,746 and they weren't supervised 24/7. 554 00:25:15,748 --> 00:25:19,116 They didn't really receive any treatment. 555 00:25:19,118 --> 00:25:21,551 Okay, so, basically, we got mental patients 556 00:25:21,553 --> 00:25:22,986 being treated like prisoners 557 00:25:22,988 --> 00:25:25,589 and not really getting proper care like they would today. 558 00:25:25,591 --> 00:25:27,224 - Yes. - Alright, so, jon, on the phone, 559 00:25:27,226 --> 00:25:28,692 you mentioned that this whole mess 560 00:25:28,694 --> 00:25:31,428 was caused by an unsupervised "mental patient." 561 00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:32,529 who was it? 562 00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:34,698 It was a woman named matilda crey. 563 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:38,402 She was 25 years old, and she was brought in here 564 00:25:38,404 --> 00:25:41,405 because she had been setting her clothing on fire. 565 00:25:41,407 --> 00:25:42,606 Her clothing? 566 00:25:42,608 --> 00:25:45,475 Alright, so she was already into starting fires. 567 00:25:45,477 --> 00:25:47,911 - Yes. - So we know who the person is. 568 00:25:47,913 --> 00:25:49,179 Take me through what happened. 569 00:25:49,181 --> 00:25:51,848 One day in March of 1858, 570 00:25:51,850 --> 00:25:55,018 she fastened a rope out of her clothing 571 00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:58,622 and she threw it through the windows of her cell 572 00:25:58,624 --> 00:26:02,459 and it landed on a stove and the clothing caught fire 573 00:26:02,461 --> 00:26:05,495 and then that in turn ignited the whole building. 574 00:26:05,497 --> 00:26:07,731 How bad did it get? - It was really bad. 575 00:26:07,733 --> 00:26:11,368 All five of the inmates inside were burned to death. 576 00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:13,203 - And that included matilda? - Yes, 577 00:26:13,205 --> 00:26:15,839 the building had completely burned down, 578 00:26:15,841 --> 00:26:19,076 and the bodies were just blackened corpses. 579 00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:22,045 And one of the newspaper accounts said that it was so bad 580 00:26:22,047 --> 00:26:24,714 that even the arms and legs were gone. 581 00:26:24,716 --> 00:26:25,949 That's really sad. 582 00:26:25,951 --> 00:26:27,284 Regardless of what people thought 583 00:26:27,286 --> 00:26:28,618 of the mentally ill back then, 584 00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:30,520 that's no way for anybody to die. 585 00:26:30,522 --> 00:26:33,390 ?? 586 00:26:33,392 --> 00:26:36,026 amy: That group of dead people are still down here. 587 00:26:36,028 --> 00:26:39,062 ?? 588 00:26:39,064 --> 00:26:41,832 somebody was writing down 1-8-8-0, 589 00:26:41,834 --> 00:26:45,402 and I see 1-9-0-8. 590 00:26:45,404 --> 00:26:46,870 Two groups, different times, 591 00:26:46,872 --> 00:26:53,143 but they all somehow are linked from here. 592 00:26:53,145 --> 00:26:58,248 I feel like they are buried in the same area. 593 00:26:58,250 --> 00:27:00,150 It's always dark for them. 594 00:27:00,152 --> 00:27:03,153 It's always, always nighttime for them. 595 00:27:03,155 --> 00:27:07,257 I think they're trying to figure out how to get out of here, 596 00:27:07,259 --> 00:27:08,859 but it hasn't gone well. 597 00:27:08,861 --> 00:27:12,929 ?? 598 00:27:12,931 --> 00:27:15,665 I'm seeing that little girl who can change her shape. 599 00:27:15,667 --> 00:27:19,936 ?? 600 00:27:19,938 --> 00:27:24,040 I think she killed the people there in the basement. 601 00:27:24,042 --> 00:27:27,077 She just touches the ground. 602 00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:30,147 She can kill a lot of people if she touches the ground. 603 00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:37,354 ?? 604 00:27:37,356 --> 00:27:39,856 amy: I saw several disturbing things on my walk, 605 00:27:39,858 --> 00:27:41,925 but two stood out. 606 00:27:41,927 --> 00:27:45,395 First, the group of dead trapped in the basement. 607 00:27:45,397 --> 00:27:48,832 There were about 10 dead people 608 00:27:48,834 --> 00:27:53,370 and they retreated back into this brick wall. 609 00:27:53,372 --> 00:27:55,438 One guy was the leader of the group, 610 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,209 and he kind of stood in front of everybody, 611 00:27:59,211 --> 00:28:01,912 like, in a kind of protective stance. 612 00:28:01,914 --> 00:28:04,848 Next, I described the angry man melding 613 00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:06,550 with a living person. 614 00:28:06,552 --> 00:28:08,485 He was tall. 615 00:28:08,487 --> 00:28:12,455 Mid-neck-length hair. 616 00:28:12,457 --> 00:28:14,925 And make sure he's got, you know, full face. 617 00:28:14,927 --> 00:28:16,760 Okay. 618 00:28:16,762 --> 00:28:22,465 ?? 619 00:28:22,467 --> 00:28:24,834 amy, is this what you saw? 620 00:28:24,836 --> 00:28:26,169 Yes. 621 00:28:36,848 --> 00:28:45,789 ?? 622 00:28:45,791 --> 00:28:49,226 steve: Now that amy and I have completed our investigations, 623 00:28:49,228 --> 00:28:51,761 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 624 00:28:51,763 --> 00:28:55,532 and our clients for the first time. 625 00:28:55,534 --> 00:28:58,335 So, amy, I'd like you to meet holly and her husband, mike. 626 00:28:58,337 --> 00:29:00,337 Now, these two guys are newlyweds 627 00:29:00,339 --> 00:29:02,706 and should be having the time of their lives. 628 00:29:02,708 --> 00:29:06,076 But activity in this house is so bad, it's tearing them apart. 629 00:29:06,078 --> 00:29:10,547 Not only that, they're raising two little boys here... Amy: Mm. 630 00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:13,450 ...And now they worry that the kids aren't safe, as well. 631 00:29:13,452 --> 00:29:16,319 So unless amy's got some questions for you guys, 632 00:29:16,321 --> 00:29:18,321 I'll ask her to describe her walk for us. 633 00:29:18,323 --> 00:29:22,425 ?? 634 00:29:22,427 --> 00:29:26,229 when I first arrived, I went down to the basement. 635 00:29:26,231 --> 00:29:30,600 I saw people, so I thought you may hear voices down there. 636 00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:34,771 I do hear voices in the basement quite frequently. 637 00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:38,174 If you're down there, for sure, you'd feel watched. 638 00:29:38,176 --> 00:29:41,745 You may catch them out of the corner of your eyes 639 00:29:41,747 --> 00:29:44,514 or see shadowlike figures. 640 00:29:44,516 --> 00:29:46,349 When she said "feeling of being watched," 641 00:29:46,351 --> 00:29:48,418 tell amy, what's going on down there with that. 642 00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:50,654 I am very uncomfortable. 643 00:29:50,656 --> 00:29:54,124 Usually when I go down there, I feel like something's 644 00:29:54,126 --> 00:29:56,226 constantly watching me in the basement. 645 00:29:56,228 --> 00:29:57,661 You know, holly also told me 646 00:29:57,663 --> 00:29:59,329 about seeing shadowy figures down there. 647 00:29:59,331 --> 00:30:02,565 I did have a sketch done of what I saw. 648 00:30:02,567 --> 00:30:07,671 ?? 649 00:30:07,673 --> 00:30:12,742 ?? 650 00:30:12,744 --> 00:30:14,210 aw, geez. 651 00:30:14,212 --> 00:30:17,881 ?? 652 00:30:17,883 --> 00:30:19,349 oh, boy. 653 00:30:19,351 --> 00:30:24,454 I can see why I feel as uncomfortable as I do. 654 00:30:24,456 --> 00:30:28,558 It just seems like everybody's watching me from that room. 655 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,592 Very creepy. 656 00:30:29,594 --> 00:30:32,829 ?? 657 00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:36,700 steve: So what else did you encounter? 658 00:30:36,702 --> 00:30:41,371 The next dead person that I met was this elderly woman. 659 00:30:41,373 --> 00:30:47,243 She had children, and she looked to me to be like in her 80s. 660 00:30:47,245 --> 00:30:48,878 At some point, she owned this house. 661 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,080 I know that. 662 00:30:50,082 --> 00:30:54,217 She does not want living people here. 663 00:30:54,219 --> 00:30:55,952 It doesn't sit well with me at all. 664 00:30:55,954 --> 00:30:57,187 You and I, when we first talked, 665 00:30:57,189 --> 00:30:59,089 you felt like this was never your home. 666 00:30:59,091 --> 00:31:01,024 Yeah. Explains why. 667 00:31:01,026 --> 00:31:03,226 So, not many people lived in this house, 668 00:31:03,228 --> 00:31:05,028 and as far as I could tell from the chain of title, 669 00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:07,097 only one woman ever owned it. 670 00:31:07,099 --> 00:31:09,499 And that woman was arlene rothacher. 671 00:31:09,501 --> 00:31:11,301 Now, she was a mother of two. 672 00:31:11,303 --> 00:31:12,635 She was a widow who lived here 673 00:31:12,637 --> 00:31:15,405 with her daughter in the '70s and '80s. 674 00:31:15,407 --> 00:31:19,075 Then in 1987, she was sitting right here in this room 675 00:31:19,077 --> 00:31:21,745 watching tv, when she had a massive heart attack and died. 676 00:31:21,747 --> 00:31:24,080 - Mm. - She was 63. 677 00:31:24,082 --> 00:31:26,816 - Interesting. - Anything else? 678 00:31:26,818 --> 00:31:29,919 So when I went upstairs, 679 00:31:29,921 --> 00:31:32,956 and then I went into the room to the left. 680 00:31:32,958 --> 00:31:34,224 Okay, so that's your bedroom. 681 00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:38,928 I saw an angry older dead guy. 682 00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:43,833 When he was alive, he spent an extended amount of time 683 00:31:43,835 --> 00:31:46,302 at this location. 684 00:31:46,304 --> 00:31:51,207 I got him arguing with another male. 685 00:31:51,209 --> 00:31:57,113 He is extremely angry, and he regrets his life. 686 00:31:57,115 --> 00:32:00,517 He feels like it was a complete failure. 687 00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:02,786 It's not a lot to go on, but it's enough for me 688 00:32:02,788 --> 00:32:04,687 to take a shot in the dark with this one. 689 00:32:04,689 --> 00:32:07,824 Now, you remember I told you about arlene rothacher, right? 690 00:32:07,826 --> 00:32:10,193 Well, her husband was a guy named rudy. 691 00:32:10,195 --> 00:32:12,695 So now rudy bought this property back in 1946, 692 00:32:12,697 --> 00:32:13,963 but then he built this house 693 00:32:13,965 --> 00:32:16,232 brick-by-brick with his own hands. 694 00:32:16,234 --> 00:32:18,568 You said the guy was angry, he felt like a failure. 695 00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:21,471 Well, he ran a coal-mining company with his brothers, 696 00:32:21,473 --> 00:32:24,841 but they ran out of coal, and the business went belly-up. 697 00:32:24,843 --> 00:32:26,910 Now, you saw this guy arguing another man. 698 00:32:26,912 --> 00:32:29,746 Now, rudy had major problems with his son, richard. 699 00:32:29,748 --> 00:32:33,349 In 1967, at the height of the vietnam war, 700 00:32:33,351 --> 00:32:35,718 richard went awol from the army. 701 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,188 This had to be especially embarrassing for rudy, 702 00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:40,390 'cause it was in the paper, locally, 703 00:32:40,392 --> 00:32:43,092 about how his son was a deserter. 704 00:32:43,094 --> 00:32:46,262 In 1973, rudy had just finished dinner in the dining room 705 00:32:46,264 --> 00:32:50,800 and died of a massive heart attack and dropped dead. 706 00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:53,336 The guy was only 55 years old. 707 00:32:53,338 --> 00:32:56,239 Nine years later, the son I was talking about, richard, 708 00:32:56,241 --> 00:32:58,107 he was outside mowing the lawn, 709 00:32:58,109 --> 00:33:02,412 and he drops dead of a heart attack. 710 00:33:02,414 --> 00:33:04,514 He was only 35 years old. 711 00:33:04,516 --> 00:33:06,883 So now that's three members of the family 712 00:33:06,885 --> 00:33:09,752 all dying of heart attacks all right here on this property. 713 00:33:09,754 --> 00:33:11,387 So I'm wondering if the father, rudy, 714 00:33:11,389 --> 00:33:13,189 might've been the guy you ran into. 715 00:33:13,191 --> 00:33:14,958 I'd say it'd be his son. 716 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,193 - The son? - Yeah. 717 00:33:17,195 --> 00:33:19,996 So now you said this guy was a big problem here. Why? 718 00:33:19,998 --> 00:33:22,932 Upstairs, he was screaming, and he's like, 719 00:33:22,934 --> 00:33:25,768 "get out of here. I don't want you." 720 00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:28,304 oh, in my bedroom, somebody told me 721 00:33:28,306 --> 00:33:30,340 that they didn't want me here and to get the hell out. 722 00:33:30,342 --> 00:33:31,741 Interesting. 723 00:33:31,743 --> 00:33:32,909 When he was around, 724 00:33:32,911 --> 00:33:38,715 his energy is very chaotic and aggressive. 725 00:33:38,717 --> 00:33:42,752 His influence overall is that he would make you feel 726 00:33:42,754 --> 00:33:48,791 irritated and aggressive. 727 00:33:48,793 --> 00:33:50,226 Steve: Why don't you tell amy why you think 728 00:33:50,228 --> 00:33:51,961 your marriage is on the rocks. 729 00:33:51,963 --> 00:33:55,098 I have blackouts and sudden rage, 730 00:33:55,100 --> 00:34:01,004 and it's normally towards my husband. 731 00:34:01,006 --> 00:34:05,308 And sometimes I don't even realize what I'm saying. 732 00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:07,911 Waking up out of a blackout, I start coming to. 733 00:34:07,913 --> 00:34:09,679 And he's just staring at me, like, 734 00:34:09,681 --> 00:34:11,214 "what the hell just happened?" 735 00:34:11,216 --> 00:34:12,448 so all this stuff that's going on, 736 00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:13,917 is this all richard? 737 00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:16,119 Yeah, that sounds like him. 738 00:34:16,121 --> 00:34:22,492 What I saw him doing upstairs in the bed was melding. 739 00:34:23,962 --> 00:34:26,462 He wants to know you. 740 00:34:26,464 --> 00:34:30,833 So I had a sketch done of what I saw happening. 741 00:34:30,835 --> 00:34:35,972 ?? 742 00:34:35,974 --> 00:34:41,110 ?? 743 00:34:41,112 --> 00:34:43,046 hm. 744 00:34:43,048 --> 00:34:45,048 I think you guys are gonna like this. 745 00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:50,486 ?? 746 00:34:50,488 --> 00:34:52,555 so that could be why you're uncomfortable 747 00:34:52,557 --> 00:34:56,092 when you're in bed. 748 00:34:56,094 --> 00:34:58,494 Yeah, I just felt movement around my feet 749 00:34:58,496 --> 00:35:01,264 and I looked down and my blanket's 750 00:35:01,266 --> 00:35:04,500 all wrapped up underneath my feet. 751 00:35:04,502 --> 00:35:07,403 So you do think it's him and not you? 752 00:35:07,405 --> 00:35:09,572 Steve: It might be both of them. 753 00:35:09,574 --> 00:35:12,342 Now, you got held down in bed. 754 00:35:12,344 --> 00:35:14,677 It felt like somebody was taking their hand like this 755 00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:16,145 and going up my leg. 756 00:35:16,147 --> 00:35:18,181 And when the got up to my shoulder area, 757 00:35:18,183 --> 00:35:20,984 they pushed me so hard my face was, like, 758 00:35:20,986 --> 00:35:24,220 stuffed into my pillow, and I couldn't move. 759 00:35:24,222 --> 00:35:26,055 Is richard messing with both of them? 760 00:35:26,057 --> 00:35:28,424 I mean, it seems like it, huh? 761 00:35:28,426 --> 00:35:31,861 I think it's disgusting, quite honestly. 762 00:35:31,863 --> 00:35:33,463 Honestly, I think it's kind of cool. 763 00:35:35,634 --> 00:35:37,900 The guy's a **** and you think it's cool? 764 00:35:37,902 --> 00:35:38,901 Yes. 765 00:35:38,903 --> 00:35:42,338 So he's leaving part of himself, 766 00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:44,841 you know, with you guys, 767 00:35:44,843 --> 00:35:48,311 which is really bad 'cause he's dead. 768 00:35:48,313 --> 00:35:50,113 It's dead energy. 769 00:35:50,115 --> 00:35:52,315 He doesn't even need to be here. 770 00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:54,517 He needs to go. - Okay. 771 00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:57,520 ?? 772 00:35:57,522 --> 00:36:01,691 steve: I'm afraid to even ask. Is there more? 773 00:36:01,693 --> 00:36:03,292 - Well... - Aw, geez. 774 00:36:03,294 --> 00:36:05,728 Alright. - Oh, boy. 775 00:36:05,730 --> 00:36:10,266 What I'm most concerned about is a little dead girl. 776 00:36:10,268 --> 00:36:13,603 So, you know, I was out back, and all of a sudden 777 00:36:13,605 --> 00:36:19,742 she becomes this, like, bizarre animal-creature thing. 778 00:36:19,744 --> 00:36:25,114 The dead told me that she comes from the trees, 779 00:36:25,116 --> 00:36:27,183 from the woods. 780 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:30,787 She's basically been here -- or it has been here 781 00:36:30,789 --> 00:36:35,158 since the beginning of time and has never been human. 782 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,527 Now, amy, these guys have a friend named zac. 783 00:36:37,529 --> 00:36:39,896 He told me he saw an animal thing 784 00:36:39,898 --> 00:36:41,197 by the trees in the backyard 785 00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,099 up on top of the hill here. 786 00:36:43,101 --> 00:36:45,835 He said it almost looked like a deer standing up. 787 00:36:45,837 --> 00:36:46,903 Oh **** 788 00:36:46,905 --> 00:36:48,705 obviously, it freaked him out. 789 00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:51,774 Have you guys seen this thing? - I haven't, no. 790 00:36:51,776 --> 00:36:55,712 It doesn't want living people here. 791 00:36:55,714 --> 00:37:03,319 I felt that she had killed the people in the basement. 792 00:37:03,321 --> 00:37:05,655 The other thing is that 793 00:37:05,657 --> 00:37:11,728 she is fixated on a child that's here. 794 00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:15,665 I think that she does this sometimes, 795 00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:17,800 takes people, living people. 796 00:37:17,802 --> 00:37:20,636 ?? 797 00:37:20,638 --> 00:37:22,638 matt: So what happens when she takes them? 798 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,273 They disappear. 799 00:37:24,275 --> 00:37:27,977 My youngest told me he's seen a little girl here. 800 00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:29,212 Amy: Not good. 801 00:37:29,214 --> 00:37:32,515 The older boy is the one that the girl wants to take. 802 00:37:34,686 --> 00:37:37,253 He's not verbal. He's autistic. 803 00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:41,390 But I can tell he communicates with something. 804 00:37:41,392 --> 00:37:45,995 I feel sick knowing that this is going on. 805 00:37:45,997 --> 00:37:48,197 There's something that's going on with the kids, amy, 806 00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:51,567 that I want you to see. 807 00:37:51,569 --> 00:37:54,370 These kids are waking up with these marks, 808 00:37:54,372 --> 00:37:57,707 and these guys are also getting attacked. 809 00:37:57,709 --> 00:37:59,208 These are scratches. 810 00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:02,111 This is the back of mike's arm. - Not good. 811 00:38:02,113 --> 00:38:04,547 Steve: This is holly's leg. 812 00:38:04,549 --> 00:38:07,350 The attack on you guys, that's richard. 813 00:38:07,352 --> 00:38:11,020 The kids, I'm pretty sure it's the girl. 814 00:38:11,022 --> 00:38:13,389 I don't like this. 815 00:38:13,391 --> 00:38:18,127 ?? 816 00:38:24,502 --> 00:38:30,006 ?? 817 00:38:30,008 --> 00:38:32,408 so, holly, you thought something here was trying 818 00:38:32,410 --> 00:38:34,343 to tear you and mike apart. 819 00:38:34,345 --> 00:38:35,578 Turns out, you were right. 820 00:38:35,580 --> 00:38:38,181 You also thought your kids might be in danger. 821 00:38:38,183 --> 00:38:40,483 Unfortunately, right again. 822 00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:41,784 Now to answer the big question -- 823 00:38:41,786 --> 00:38:44,053 can you stay here and fight, 824 00:38:44,055 --> 00:38:45,521 or is it time to cut your losses 825 00:38:45,523 --> 00:38:48,257 and save your family and get out? 826 00:38:48,259 --> 00:38:50,626 For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to amy. 827 00:38:50,628 --> 00:38:53,996 ?? 828 00:38:53,998 --> 00:38:56,032 amy: So, the first thing that needs to be done 829 00:38:56,034 --> 00:39:01,637 is that arlene and richard are to be removed. 830 00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:07,043 So what I would like to do is bring my team up to handle this. 831 00:39:07,045 --> 00:39:09,679 Then one member of the team, 832 00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:14,083 who will be a very gentle, calm male, 833 00:39:14,085 --> 00:39:16,619 will be in your basement 834 00:39:16,621 --> 00:39:20,723 working with those dead people to move them on. 835 00:39:20,725 --> 00:39:26,028 Once that's done, the team will need to work on 836 00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:30,032 setting up communication with the thing outside. 837 00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:34,403 They will need to establish a wall, a barrier 838 00:39:34,405 --> 00:39:41,544 between your home and yard and what it considers its space. 839 00:39:41,546 --> 00:39:44,947 I am not certain how this will go 840 00:39:44,949 --> 00:39:48,484 at that point, the team will be able to tell you 841 00:39:48,486 --> 00:39:51,053 if they can do anything. 842 00:39:52,924 --> 00:39:54,357 And if they can't, 843 00:39:54,359 --> 00:39:56,626 then that would mean you would have to leave. 844 00:39:56,628 --> 00:40:01,397 ?? 845 00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:05,301 I'm not sure where I stand on that situation. 846 00:40:05,303 --> 00:40:06,602 So -- 847 00:40:06,604 --> 00:40:09,071 I guess I need to experience something so I can actually -- 848 00:40:09,073 --> 00:40:11,574 so you need to experience one of the kids disappearing? 849 00:40:11,576 --> 00:40:12,875 No, no. 850 00:40:12,877 --> 00:40:14,143 So you're believing about the dead people, 851 00:40:14,145 --> 00:40:15,444 but the thing up in the mountain here, 852 00:40:15,446 --> 00:40:17,680 you're not too up in the air about it? 853 00:40:17,682 --> 00:40:19,982 Yeah, yeah. 854 00:40:19,984 --> 00:40:22,118 I'll leave. 855 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,686 No question. 856 00:40:24,555 --> 00:40:26,188 It's not like this place is pretty populated. 857 00:40:26,190 --> 00:40:27,757 This ain't brooklyn. I can tell you that. 858 00:40:27,759 --> 00:40:31,560 This is -- there's no-frigging-body out here. 859 00:40:31,562 --> 00:40:33,729 Couple of deer? You know, how you doing? 860 00:40:33,731 --> 00:40:36,032 That's it, right? - Yeah. 861 00:40:36,034 --> 00:40:39,535 He's always gonna be a bit skeptical. 862 00:40:39,537 --> 00:40:41,237 - And that's fine - and that's fine. 863 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,339 Yeah. 864 00:40:43,341 --> 00:40:47,977 But I believe if it comes down to the team saying, 865 00:40:47,979 --> 00:40:49,779 you know, it's just gonna get worse 866 00:40:49,781 --> 00:40:52,782 and that's not going to leave, and I'll move out the next day. 867 00:40:54,419 --> 00:40:55,851 She says she's gonna leave. 868 00:40:55,853 --> 00:40:57,720 Are you gonna go with her? 869 00:40:57,722 --> 00:41:03,426 ?? 870 00:41:03,428 --> 00:41:06,963 well, yeah, that's my wife. [ chuckles ] 871 00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:10,199 you know, push comes to shove, you got to do what's best. 872 00:41:10,201 --> 00:41:13,069 ?? 873 00:41:13,071 --> 00:41:14,570 amy: I really hope the team is able 874 00:41:14,572 --> 00:41:16,672 to set up a barrier from the thing outside 875 00:41:16,674 --> 00:41:19,475 that's trying to steal their side. 876 00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:23,079 If they can do that and remove the dead inside the home, 877 00:41:23,081 --> 00:41:26,949 holly and mike can stay and lead a safe and peaceful life. 878 00:41:26,951 --> 00:41:31,387 ?? 879 00:41:31,389 --> 00:41:35,024 hi, everyone. I just wanted to jump on here 880 00:41:35,026 --> 00:41:36,425 and give a quick update. 881 00:41:36,427 --> 00:41:39,028 The team that amy suggested came in, 882 00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:41,530 they cleared all the negative energy, 883 00:41:41,532 --> 00:41:44,166 moved all the spirits on that needed to be moved on, 884 00:41:44,168 --> 00:41:47,536 and we've had no paranormal activity. 885 00:41:47,538 --> 00:41:50,940 My husband, mike, and the boys have been doing great. 886 00:41:50,942 --> 00:41:56,545 I just want to thank everybody for coming out and... Yeah. 887 00:41:56,547 --> 00:41:57,413 Everything's amazing. 888 00:41:57,415 --> 00:41:59,815 So... Thanks again. 889 00:41:59,865 --> 00:42:04,415 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 66574

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