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amy: There is
a little girl here,
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and I was told,
"don't be fooled by her."
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she wants the child.
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It's killing me.
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I see you're holding
everything in.
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It's bad, and the energy
is very chaotic.
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He was blown 15 feet
and killed instantly.
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I'm not sure where I stand
on that situation.
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You're believing about
the dead people,
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but the thing
up in the mountain here
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you're too up in the air about?
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Matt: So what happens
when she takes them?
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Amy: They disappear.
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I'm hearing a devil's triangle.
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My name is amy allan.
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I see dead people.
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I think he might've
been a stalker.
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I speak to dead people.
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And they speak to me.
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He will kill you.
He has killed people.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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They're being possessed.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm steve dischiavi.
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I'm a retired new york city
homicide detective.
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How many people died here
over the years?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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But steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...Until the very end...
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This sketch is like a nightmare.
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...When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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[ crying ] I never thought
that the biggest problem was me.
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...Or time to get out.
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He could, more than likely,
kill you.
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[ crying ]
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??
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??
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so, I'm out here in the small
town of new philadelphia, ohio.
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It's about a half hour
south of kent.
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I got a call
from a newlywed named holly.
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Now, this poor lady sounded bad.
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These are supposed to be
the best days of her life,
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but it's hell in there,
and she says if we can't help,
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her new family
ain't gonna make it.
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??
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??
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there's some crazy ****
going on out here.
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Like, it's weird here.
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Feel sick, and...
Ugh.
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I don't know what's going on.
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I don't like this, and it hurts.
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??
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steve: So, holly,
when we spoke on the phone,
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you sounded pretty upset
and angry, as a matter of fact,
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what the hell's going on
in this house?
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Well, I feel like
there's something evil here
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that is attacking my family
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and trying to tear apart
my marriage.
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Alright, so let's start with
the basics.
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It's you, your new husband, right?
Yes.
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Who else is living in the house?
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Well, my son dryden.
He's 3.
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My husband, mike.
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And this is my son, cyrelle.
He's 7.
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He's on the autism spectrum,
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and he can't verbalize
what he's seeing himself.
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This poor kid can be
going through hell,
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and you wouldn't know, really.
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Right, he can't.
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There's no way for him
to tell me.
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Now, have you tried anything
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to try to fight
what's going on here?
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Yes, there were two mediums
that came here.
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They helped bless my home.
However, that didn't work.
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After they left,
it kind of got worse.
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Do me a favor.
Give me a list of what you guys
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were experiencing in the house.
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Creepy sounds.
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Okay.
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We feel like
we're being watched.
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It's become more violent,
and I've had mood changes.
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These mood changes --
so what happens.
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It comes on really fast.
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I can be in a really great mood
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and then my whole entire energy
just kind of changes.
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I'm pissed.
And usually it's at my husband.
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I'm not aware
of what I'm saying.
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I'm not aware of what I'm doing.
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I guess I've told him I don't
want to be his wife anymore,
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that I can't stand him.
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It's not for nothing,
but your poor husband
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having to deal with that,
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it's got to be
tough on him, too.
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I know that
he's at his breaking point.
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He hasn't left yet.
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No. Surprisingly.
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Now, let me ask you a question.
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With all the stuff
that's going on,
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how are you dealing with it?
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Never mind everybody else.
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I'm afraid my marriage
is going to fail.
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- Okay.
- And the stress...
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It's killing me.
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I see you're holding
everything in.
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[ chuckles ]
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okay.
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It's alright.
We here now, right?
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I'm usually
a really strong person.
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You can only take so much.
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??
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uh-oh.
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I know there's quite a few
people down there.
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Dead people.
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They're hiding.
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Hmm.
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Why are y'all hiding?
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What's going on?
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I mean, there's at least
10 people
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I'm getting all --
men and women and children.
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They're being quiet.
They think I'm evil.
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Like, something has happened
to them to make them afraid of,
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I guess, people like me.
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- Meaning?
- Like, mediums.
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Something bad really,
really freaked them out.
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??
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steve: Okay, holly,
so what's going on down here?
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I am not comfortable
down here at all.
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- You seem a little agitated.
- Yes.
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You constantly feel like
you're being watched here.
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You feel like somebody's
always here with you.
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Are you getting a feeling of
being watched right now? Yes.
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Where's that feeling
coming from?
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Specifically that one a lot.
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Okay, so this room here?
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Okay, stay right here.
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??
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yeah, it's kind of creepy.
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??
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I mean, anything else?
- I hear voices and noises.
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Okay, so let's talk about
the noises.
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What are you hearing?
- Like, footsteps.
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Seem like an adult to you?
- Yeah, it's pretty heavy.
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Okay, so let's talk
about the voices now.
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What do those sound like?
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They sound like a male.
They're very deep.
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I've been told upstairs
in our room before to get out.
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Could it be a tv is on
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and you're hearing talking
on the tv?
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No, usually,
we don't have the tv on.
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Okay, so anything else?
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We have seen shadow figures
through the house.
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What size are these
shadow figures?
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One is very large.
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It can block out
a whole doorway.
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And then the other one
is slightly smaller.
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What do you think it is?
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It's like they have negative
intentions or they're trying to
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make me feel uncomfortable.
- Okay.
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Amy: The dead come in here
often.
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I see them sinking
into the walls.
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The living, I think,
would hear them talking.
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Mainly the men.
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??
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they would hear walking.
So, I mean,
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I'm sure they feel
uncomfortable,
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living people coming down here.
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They might see, you know,
shadow figures and whatnot.
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This is bad.
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??
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steve: Okay, so,
what's going on there?
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The kids have wakened
with random marks on their body.
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Okay, so what does it look like?
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I have some pictures.
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??
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these look like chicken pox.
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You get them checked
out by the doctor? Yeah.
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Alright, so what'd
the doctor say?
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He has no idea what happened.
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I can't tell what this could be,
but, obviously,
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your older son can't tell us
what's going on, really.
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Right.
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I mean, I don't know
if it's paranormal or not,
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but it's definitely something
that I'd be concerned about...
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- Right.
- ...One way or the other.
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I mean, has anything like this
ever happened to you?
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Yes, I actually
have been scratched
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while I was in the shower.
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And the water wasn't
extremely hot
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or anything like that, right?
- No.
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Alright, so has anything else
physical happened to you
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in the house?
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I had...
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Something in my room happen,
where I was laying in bed.
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I just felt this hand come all
the way up the side of my body.
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- Male or female?
- Male.
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Well, not for nothing,
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it sounds like you're
getting assaulted. Yeah.
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I mean, yeah, if I could
physically see somebody
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and they did that,
I would call that assault, yeah.
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It's not good.
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That's why I called for help.
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You know,
I need to figure this out,
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and I need to
make my house safe.
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??
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amy: There is
a little girl here,
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and I was told,
"don't be fooled by her."
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she's definitely
occupying this location.
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She wants the child.
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Matt: W-what child?
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I think it's a living child,
'cause she wants it.
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She's having a hard time
getting it.
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I think that she does this
sometimes,
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takes people, living people.
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She seems to like kids.
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So what happens
when she takes them?
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They disappear.
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So they wouldn't be seen,
heard from again.
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I think she just plays
with them until they die.
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??
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??
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so, zac, I understand
that you're
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good friends
with holly and mike.
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- Yes, sir, I am.
- You have any concerns
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about the stuff
they're going through?
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Yes, sir.
I worry about the kids.
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- Have you had experiences?
- Yes, sir.
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Alright, so, why don't you
go over some of them with me?
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Well, the first one,
it was down in the basement,
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and I went down there
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and I'd felt something
from the top of the stairs.
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Like, it was just
uneasy-feeling.
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What do you think it was?
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Something demonic
is how I'd put it.
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So, zac,
when I spoke to holly earlier,
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she was saying that she felt
watched in the basement.
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Do you ever get that kind of
feeling down there.
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All the time, sir.
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I just feel the hair
on the back of my neck stand up.
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- Okay. Anything else?
- Yes, sir.
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Actually, it happened
right over here.
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I thought I seen
something moving,
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so I figure it's a deer,
but it wasn't.
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Looked like it was walking
upright.
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Alright,
now, you think your eyes
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might've been playing tricks with ya?
No, sir.
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Can you get an idea of how tall
it was from down there?
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It's definitely taller
than me. It was.
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I just looked out and stared
at it for a little bit,
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and it just vanished whenever
I started to walk up the hill.
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Okay, what do you think it was?
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I don't know what it was
or why it's here.
255
00:11:21,514 --> 00:11:22,980
I don't want it here.
256
00:11:22,982 --> 00:11:24,182
Okay.
257
00:11:24,184 --> 00:11:27,251
??
258
00:11:27,253 --> 00:11:32,390
I think the little girl...
She's... Like an animal.
259
00:11:32,392 --> 00:11:35,626
??
260
00:11:35,628 --> 00:11:38,596
she doesn't want us
to go back there
261
00:11:38,598 --> 00:11:40,331
and she can change shape.
262
00:11:40,333 --> 00:11:43,301
She can get bigger.
But still like an animal.
263
00:11:43,303 --> 00:11:45,570
Matt: Would the living have
any experiences with her?
264
00:11:45,572 --> 00:11:48,773
I do think they would probably
see something back here,
265
00:11:48,775 --> 00:11:50,608
like an animal of some sort
266
00:11:50,610 --> 00:11:52,977
that would be
frightening to them.
267
00:11:52,979 --> 00:11:55,613
??
268
00:11:55,615 --> 00:11:58,416
the dead are
definitely indicating
269
00:11:58,418 --> 00:12:02,720
that she comes from the woods
and the trees.
270
00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:05,256
I think that
she's always been here.
271
00:12:05,258 --> 00:12:07,725
What sort of things
has she been doing?
272
00:12:07,727 --> 00:12:10,228
Well, I know she's taken people.
273
00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:17,101
??
274
00:12:17,103 --> 00:12:18,903
so, mike, talking to
your wife, holly, today,
275
00:12:18,905 --> 00:12:20,304
she's pretty upset
about everything.
276
00:12:20,306 --> 00:12:22,306
She says something's
taking over her,
277
00:12:22,308 --> 00:12:24,875
basically, and making her
go into a rage.
278
00:12:24,877 --> 00:12:28,012
Have you noticed that?
- Yeah. At night, she'll wake up,
279
00:12:28,014 --> 00:12:30,014
she'll say the dumbest
things to me,
280
00:12:30,016 --> 00:12:31,782
like, "I'm done
with the marriage."
281
00:12:31,784 --> 00:12:34,318
then the next morning,
I'll tell her about it,
282
00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,455
and 90% of the time, she don't
even remember what she said.
283
00:12:37,457 --> 00:12:39,156
Well, you know,
she said she's petrified
284
00:12:39,158 --> 00:12:40,992
that you're gonna walk.
- I'm not.
285
00:12:40,994 --> 00:12:43,027
And if she's going through
something, she's my wife
286
00:12:43,029 --> 00:12:44,595
through sickness or health.
287
00:12:44,597 --> 00:12:46,397
So right now, we're
going through the bad.
288
00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:47,832
We'll experience the good later.
289
00:12:47,834 --> 00:12:53,437
??
290
00:12:53,439 --> 00:12:55,339
amy:
There's a male here.
291
00:12:55,341 --> 00:12:57,241
He's dead.
292
00:12:57,243 --> 00:13:00,311
This is a lot of anger here.
293
00:13:00,313 --> 00:13:03,648
The living
are having experiences
294
00:13:03,650 --> 00:13:07,551
in this back area
with this male.
295
00:13:07,553 --> 00:13:11,022
They're seeing this person,
but I don't know how,
296
00:13:11,024 --> 00:13:12,556
and I'm not even seeing him.
297
00:13:12,558 --> 00:13:18,629
Feel like more like he's
inside of me, like I smell him.
298
00:13:18,631 --> 00:13:21,632
He's doing something
to the people here,
299
00:13:21,634 --> 00:13:25,369
but I am trying to get what.
300
00:13:25,371 --> 00:13:27,838
They feel him.
301
00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,141
That makes them scared.
302
00:13:31,811 --> 00:13:35,246
Wants to jump in somebody?
No problem.
303
00:13:35,248 --> 00:13:40,518
??
304
00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,186
I feel hatred.
305
00:13:42,188 --> 00:13:45,256
That hatred overwhelms him.
Mm.
306
00:13:45,258 --> 00:13:47,325
Then I think he wants
to hurt people.
307
00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:50,094
??
308
00:13:50,096 --> 00:13:53,264
steve: Okay, so as far as experiences
go, have you had any?
309
00:13:53,266 --> 00:13:54,832
I've had some.
310
00:13:54,834 --> 00:13:57,802
One in particular was,
we're laying in bed.
311
00:13:57,804 --> 00:14:00,004
All of a sudden
I feel the blankets
312
00:14:00,006 --> 00:14:03,341
going underneath my leg
and wrapping me up.
313
00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:05,176
Any animals in the house
that can come in and --
314
00:14:05,178 --> 00:14:08,079
no, dog stays downstairs.
He isn't allowed upstairs.
315
00:14:08,081 --> 00:14:09,513
Okay. Alright.
316
00:14:09,515 --> 00:14:11,549
So that's one thing.
Anything else?
317
00:14:11,551 --> 00:14:14,819
My wife noticed scratches
on my arm one night.
318
00:14:14,821 --> 00:14:17,054
So her and the kids
both have been scratched.
319
00:14:17,056 --> 00:14:18,489
- Yes.
- Where were your scratches?
320
00:14:18,491 --> 00:14:19,957
Actually, I have a photo
right here,
321
00:14:19,959 --> 00:14:21,959
and they're on the back
of my left arm.
322
00:14:23,996 --> 00:14:25,730
Oh.
323
00:14:25,732 --> 00:14:28,833
??
324
00:14:28,835 --> 00:14:31,001
I got to be honest
with you, bro.
325
00:14:31,003 --> 00:14:32,403
You've had more experiences
326
00:14:32,405 --> 00:14:35,573
than most husbands I've
interviewed in almost 200 cases.
327
00:14:35,575 --> 00:14:37,274
I mean, why don't you just move?
- I don't know.
328
00:14:37,276 --> 00:14:39,143
I guess I just feel
like I can handle it.
329
00:14:39,145 --> 00:14:42,747
I'm a fixer, not a runner.
I'd rather fix. Right. Okay.
330
00:14:42,749 --> 00:14:46,317
??
331
00:14:46,319 --> 00:14:50,154
amy: It's loud up here.
Damn. Mm.
332
00:14:50,156 --> 00:14:52,223
And it's a guy just yelling,
333
00:14:52,225 --> 00:14:54,091
"get out of here.
I don't want you.
334
00:14:54,093 --> 00:14:55,693
What are you doing?"
335
00:14:57,997 --> 00:15:00,664
it's like full blast.
336
00:15:00,666 --> 00:15:01,799
It's bad.
337
00:15:01,801 --> 00:15:04,535
And the energy is very chaotic.
338
00:15:06,539 --> 00:15:09,840
Like, I think that the living
would be restless up here.
339
00:15:09,842 --> 00:15:14,011
I think that they would become
extremely irritated
340
00:15:14,013 --> 00:15:15,780
and probably aggressive.
341
00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:21,252
I know he's getting
into bed with people.
342
00:15:21,254 --> 00:15:24,922
He's not jumping them.
He's melding with them.
343
00:15:24,924 --> 00:15:29,994
Jumping is more violent.
This is more intimate.
344
00:15:29,996 --> 00:15:32,463
And he likes that
because then he knows them,
345
00:15:32,465 --> 00:15:35,933
he knows everything
about that person.
346
00:15:44,977 --> 00:15:48,746
??
347
00:15:48,748 --> 00:15:50,047
steve:
Okay, so before I got to town,
348
00:15:50,049 --> 00:15:51,482
I reached out to
a whole bunch of locals
349
00:15:51,484 --> 00:15:54,118
and asked them to look
at their property for me.
350
00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,619
A genealogist
who helped me before
351
00:15:55,621 --> 00:15:58,456
just called and said
she hit the jackpot.
352
00:15:58,458 --> 00:16:01,559
Turns out the guy who built
holly and mike's house
353
00:16:01,561 --> 00:16:03,327
lived his life in shame,
354
00:16:03,329 --> 00:16:05,196
and it was all
because of his son.
355
00:16:05,198 --> 00:16:11,402
??
356
00:16:11,404 --> 00:16:14,038
steve: So, kim, I appreciate
you helping me out once again.
357
00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,406
Kim: No problem.
358
00:16:15,408 --> 00:16:17,074
On the phone,
you said the previous owner
359
00:16:17,076 --> 00:16:18,943
had some issues with his son.
360
00:16:18,945 --> 00:16:21,479
Before we get to that, when did
he move onto the property?
361
00:16:21,481 --> 00:16:24,348
Rudy rothacher
bought the property
362
00:16:24,350 --> 00:16:28,786
back in 1946
and built that house
363
00:16:28,788 --> 00:16:30,855
that your client is living in
right now.
364
00:16:30,857 --> 00:16:32,256
Alright, what do we know
about this guy?
365
00:16:32,258 --> 00:16:33,224
He was a miner.
366
00:16:33,226 --> 00:16:35,125
The family had a business --
367
00:16:35,127 --> 00:16:38,662
rothacher brothers
mining company.
368
00:16:38,664 --> 00:16:42,600
When his father passed away,
he took over the mine.
369
00:16:42,602 --> 00:16:44,068
Okay, so he's built a new home,
370
00:16:44,070 --> 00:16:46,136
and he's running
the family business.
371
00:16:46,138 --> 00:16:47,571
How's it go for him from there?
372
00:16:47,573 --> 00:16:48,906
Things were pretty good.
373
00:16:48,908 --> 00:16:52,543
He married a local woman by
the name of arlene. Okay.
374
00:16:52,545 --> 00:16:56,313
A year after they moved in,
they welcomed a son, richard,
375
00:16:56,315 --> 00:16:58,949
and a year after that.
A daughter, gloria.
376
00:16:58,951 --> 00:17:00,451
His son, richard,
I assume this is who
377
00:17:00,453 --> 00:17:02,453
we're talking about that
he had problems with. Yes.
378
00:17:02,455 --> 00:17:04,255
Okay, what happened
with this kid?
379
00:17:04,257 --> 00:17:08,092
In 1967, he joined the military,
380
00:17:08,094 --> 00:17:11,629
height of the vietnam war,
and he went a awol.
381
00:17:11,631 --> 00:17:13,597
They labeled him as a deserter.
382
00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:19,303
The fbi tracked him down
at his home and put him in jail.
383
00:17:19,305 --> 00:17:22,606
This is an article
from the local paper.
384
00:17:22,608 --> 00:17:25,342
Alright, so now rudy's
got a disgrace for his son.
385
00:17:25,344 --> 00:17:27,645
He's got to deal with --
how's it go for him after that?
386
00:17:27,647 --> 00:17:28,879
Gets worse.
387
00:17:28,881 --> 00:17:32,383
A few years after
the incident with the awol,
388
00:17:32,385 --> 00:17:34,285
the mine shut down.
389
00:17:34,287 --> 00:17:35,953
A few years after that,
390
00:17:35,955 --> 00:17:38,255
rudy's sitting
at the dinner table
391
00:17:38,257 --> 00:17:41,392
drops dead
of a major heart attack.
392
00:17:41,394 --> 00:17:44,495
Okay, and this is in my clients'
-- in your clients' house.
393
00:17:44,497 --> 00:17:46,564
Alright, so, how old was he
when he died?
394
00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:50,067
Here's his obituary.
He was only 55.
395
00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:53,070
- Alright, so now rudy's dead.
- Mm-hmm.
396
00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:54,705
What happened with the family
after that?
397
00:17:54,707 --> 00:17:58,943
Few years later,
richard is out mowing the grass,
398
00:17:58,945 --> 00:18:03,347
drops dead of a heart attack
right on your clients' property.
399
00:18:03,349 --> 00:18:05,449
He was 35 years old.
400
00:18:05,451 --> 00:18:09,720
??
401
00:18:09,722 --> 00:18:11,989
amy: This angry man
who jumps people
402
00:18:11,991 --> 00:18:14,992
is here with someone else.
403
00:18:14,994 --> 00:18:17,494
The living hear the arguing.
404
00:18:17,496 --> 00:18:18,562
It's something that happened
405
00:18:18,564 --> 00:18:21,332
when he was here
and he was alive.
406
00:18:21,334 --> 00:18:23,667
There was this fighting
between these two men.
407
00:18:23,669 --> 00:18:26,804
??
408
00:18:26,806 --> 00:18:29,340
this other guy,
he gets agitated.
409
00:18:29,342 --> 00:18:32,309
It feels like his life
was a failure.
410
00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:38,048
And, like, literally
makes me nauseous
411
00:18:38,050 --> 00:18:42,086
when I'm trying to tap
into him and his life.
412
00:18:42,088 --> 00:18:45,322
I don't know if he owned it
or if he lived here.
413
00:18:45,324 --> 00:18:46,824
[ exhales sharply ]
414
00:18:46,826 --> 00:18:48,592
it's so loud.
415
00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:52,429
Alright, so both father
and son are dead.
416
00:18:52,431 --> 00:18:54,732
What happened
with the widow, arlene?
417
00:18:54,734 --> 00:18:57,034
She kind of had
a rough time of it.
418
00:18:57,036 --> 00:19:00,804
Her sister-in-law came after her
for part of the land.
419
00:19:00,806 --> 00:19:02,606
Can you explain to me
why the sister-in-law thinks
420
00:19:02,608 --> 00:19:03,874
she's entitled to anything?
421
00:19:03,876 --> 00:19:06,443
That land
was the family business.
422
00:19:06,445 --> 00:19:09,146
She thought she had
a claim on it.
423
00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:10,280
Alright, so now there's
the lawsuit.
424
00:19:10,282 --> 00:19:12,750
How'd it go for arlene?
- Not that great.
425
00:19:12,752 --> 00:19:15,986
The sister-in-law
won the lawsuit.
426
00:19:15,988 --> 00:19:19,156
They said that arlene
could keep the house.
427
00:19:19,158 --> 00:19:20,624
Not for nothing,
but if I was arlene,
428
00:19:20,626 --> 00:19:22,626
I'd have a bitter taste
in my mouth for what happened.
429
00:19:22,628 --> 00:19:24,795
She loses her husband,
then she loses a son,
430
00:19:24,797 --> 00:19:26,296
then she loses all her property.
431
00:19:26,298 --> 00:19:28,599
I mean, did she even bother
staying in the house after that?
432
00:19:28,601 --> 00:19:29,867
Yes, she did.
433
00:19:29,869 --> 00:19:33,604
She and gloria lived
in the house until 1987...
434
00:19:33,606 --> 00:19:34,972
Okay.
435
00:19:34,974 --> 00:19:38,976
...When she dropped dead
sitting on her living-room couch
436
00:19:38,978 --> 00:19:41,578
watching tv of a...?
437
00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:43,414
- Heart attack.
- ...Heart attack.
438
00:19:43,416 --> 00:19:44,948
You've got it, steve.
439
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:48,652
- How old was she?
- She was only 63.
440
00:19:48,654 --> 00:19:51,455
Three family members --
husband, wife, a son --
441
00:19:51,457 --> 00:19:54,825
all dying relatively young
from heart attacks
442
00:19:54,827 --> 00:19:57,327
in my clients' property.
443
00:19:57,329 --> 00:19:58,562
I mean, I don't know if it's hereditary...
Coincidence?
444
00:19:58,564 --> 00:20:01,231
...Coincidence, or what,
but I hope
445
00:20:01,233 --> 00:20:02,633
this had nothing to do with
the paranormal.
446
00:20:02,635 --> 00:20:05,002
That I can't give you
an answer to.
447
00:20:05,004 --> 00:20:07,705
Well, that's not what
you and I are here for.
448
00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:09,306
That's something on amy's
end of things.
449
00:20:09,308 --> 00:20:12,076
??
450
00:20:12,078 --> 00:20:16,346
amy: There is this little
old lady sitting in a chair
451
00:20:16,348 --> 00:20:20,283
like she's the queen,
452
00:20:20,285 --> 00:20:22,586
and she's just sitting there
glaring at me.
453
00:20:22,588 --> 00:20:25,656
And she goes,
"I am at war with you.
454
00:20:25,658 --> 00:20:27,558
Why would I speak
to you?"
455
00:20:28,961 --> 00:20:33,063
nasty, old woman.
456
00:20:33,065 --> 00:20:35,766
- She owned this...
- Mm-hmm.
457
00:20:35,768 --> 00:20:40,370
...For sure,
and she ran this place.
458
00:20:40,372 --> 00:20:43,507
??
459
00:20:43,509 --> 00:20:45,676
definitely had kids.
460
00:20:45,678 --> 00:20:48,579
She doesn't want
living people here.
461
00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:51,281
She wants them out.
462
00:20:51,283 --> 00:20:53,650
And how is she doing that?
463
00:20:53,652 --> 00:20:57,421
She is trying to influence them
in some way.
464
00:20:57,423 --> 00:21:03,026
She's potentially plotting
something very bad,
465
00:21:03,028 --> 00:21:05,362
possibly plotting murder.
466
00:21:07,032 --> 00:21:09,767
Alright, new philadelphia
is an old mining town,
467
00:21:09,769 --> 00:21:11,602
and it doesn't take a genius
to figure out
468
00:21:11,604 --> 00:21:14,538
there must've been
some accidents out here.
469
00:21:14,540 --> 00:21:17,040
So I'm heading over to meet
my old friend mary jamba,
470
00:21:17,042 --> 00:21:20,677
who says she found a deadly one
not too far from holly's house.
471
00:21:20,679 --> 00:21:27,451
??
472
00:21:27,453 --> 00:21:29,753
so, mary, I appreciate
your meeting with me again.
473
00:21:29,755 --> 00:21:31,822
On the phone, you mentioned
this mining accident happened
474
00:21:31,824 --> 00:21:33,423
real close
to my clients' property.
475
00:21:33,425 --> 00:21:34,691
So what happened?
476
00:21:34,693 --> 00:21:38,929
Well, this is back
on January 3, 1931
477
00:21:38,931 --> 00:21:41,165
in the midvale coal mine.
478
00:21:41,167 --> 00:21:44,535
This was just about a mile
from your clients' property.
479
00:21:44,537 --> 00:21:46,537
- Okay.
- It was a Saturday morning,
480
00:21:46,539 --> 00:21:50,073
and 19 men went
into the coal mine.
481
00:21:50,075 --> 00:21:53,010
- Okay.
- And it was a huge mine.
482
00:21:53,012 --> 00:21:56,947
They would have to take
elevators three miles down
483
00:21:56,949 --> 00:21:58,882
to get into this mine.
484
00:21:58,884 --> 00:22:00,517
Oh, so these guys
were pretty far down.
485
00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:03,053
Yes, and once the 19 men
went down,
486
00:22:03,055 --> 00:22:05,489
they split into different teams.
487
00:22:05,491 --> 00:22:08,392
And what they would do is they'd
make these crude explosives
488
00:22:08,394 --> 00:22:10,494
to go and break open the coal
489
00:22:10,496 --> 00:22:12,996
so that it would be easier
to extract.
490
00:22:12,998 --> 00:22:15,599
So they went and they put
two charges in,
491
00:22:15,601 --> 00:22:19,436
it misfired and went back
and caused a big fireball,
492
00:22:19,438 --> 00:22:23,507
and then that hit these
24 sticks of dynamite
493
00:22:23,509 --> 00:22:25,108
that were lying nearby,
494
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:27,244
and that made
an even bigger explosion.
495
00:22:27,246 --> 00:22:29,379
So this is a chain reaction
that happened.
496
00:22:29,381 --> 00:22:30,747
Yes.
497
00:22:30,749 --> 00:22:36,086
One man, he was blown 15 feet
and killed instantly. Okay.
498
00:22:36,088 --> 00:22:40,691
And the other four, their
eardrums were -- just popped.
499
00:22:40,693 --> 00:22:43,961
They tried to escape,
but it's also completely dark
500
00:22:43,963 --> 00:22:46,630
because the explosion
also blew out the lights.
501
00:22:46,632 --> 00:22:48,932
So they can't see,
they can't hear,
502
00:22:48,934 --> 00:22:52,069
and they're overcome
by the toxic fumes.
503
00:22:52,071 --> 00:22:57,274
And this was a huge story.
It was front-page news.
504
00:22:57,276 --> 00:22:58,709
I mean, nobody should die
this way.
505
00:22:58,711 --> 00:22:59,910
No, nobody.
506
00:22:59,912 --> 00:23:03,247
??
507
00:23:03,249 --> 00:23:05,215
amy:
I see this muddy path.
508
00:23:06,819 --> 00:23:10,520
The path leads to a cave.
509
00:23:10,522 --> 00:23:11,989
It goes downward.
510
00:23:11,991 --> 00:23:15,459
I saw three arms
sticking out of the mud.
511
00:23:15,461 --> 00:23:20,030
??
512
00:23:20,032 --> 00:23:24,668
and I felt like they --
all three of them were males.
513
00:23:24,670 --> 00:23:26,203
Maybe they're trying to leave,
514
00:23:26,205 --> 00:23:28,505
but they get sucked back.
515
00:23:28,507 --> 00:23:29,539
They're dead.
516
00:23:29,541 --> 00:23:37,514
??
517
00:23:37,516 --> 00:23:39,483
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519
00:23:41,053 --> 00:23:42,886
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521
00:23:46,425 --> 00:23:48,659
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522
00:23:48,661 --> 00:23:49,493
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523
00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:57,167
??
524
00:23:57,169 --> 00:24:00,137
steve: So far, I've got newlyweds
whose marriage is falling apart
525
00:24:00,139 --> 00:24:03,440
due to violent activity in a
house with three family members
526
00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:05,042
all died of heart attacks,
527
00:24:05,044 --> 00:24:08,278
but I want to see
if there's anything else.
528
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,914
Searching through old records,
I discovered a deadly fire
529
00:24:10,916 --> 00:24:12,816
that took place at a poor house
530
00:24:12,818 --> 00:24:15,018
only a mile from
holly and mike's property.
531
00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:19,389
Okay, so I'm heading over
to meet a local journalist
532
00:24:19,391 --> 00:24:21,391
who knows all about this story.
533
00:24:21,393 --> 00:24:24,194
He says this entire tragedy
could've been avoided
534
00:24:24,196 --> 00:24:27,864
if a severely disturbed patient
had not been left alone.
535
00:24:27,866 --> 00:24:34,104
??
536
00:24:34,106 --> 00:24:37,074
well, jon, I appreciate you
helping me out with this case.
537
00:24:37,076 --> 00:24:40,110
So this tragedy that happened
right near my clients' house,
538
00:24:40,112 --> 00:24:41,411
what can you tell me about it?
539
00:24:41,413 --> 00:24:42,779
Well, in the early 1800s,
540
00:24:42,781 --> 00:24:45,248
the state of ohio
authorized the counties
541
00:24:45,250 --> 00:24:48,051
to build poor houses
for indigent peoples.
542
00:24:48,053 --> 00:24:50,921
In 1843, tuscarawas county
built theirs
543
00:24:50,923 --> 00:24:53,590
about a mile
from your clients' home.
544
00:24:53,592 --> 00:24:57,260
And later on, they expanded
to include a special building
545
00:24:57,262 --> 00:24:59,062
to house the mentally ill.
546
00:24:59,064 --> 00:25:02,632
And here's a picture
of what the place looked like.
547
00:25:02,634 --> 00:25:04,167
So, jon, I know in past cases,
548
00:25:04,169 --> 00:25:06,103
mental hospitals were pretty bad
549
00:25:06,105 --> 00:25:07,371
as far as conditions went.
550
00:25:07,373 --> 00:25:08,438
What was it like in this place?
551
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,674
The conditions weren't
very good here either.
552
00:25:10,676 --> 00:25:12,943
Patients were confined to cells,
553
00:25:12,945 --> 00:25:15,746
and they weren't
supervised 24/7.
554
00:25:15,748 --> 00:25:19,116
They didn't really receive
any treatment.
555
00:25:19,118 --> 00:25:21,551
Okay, so, basically,
we got mental patients
556
00:25:21,553 --> 00:25:22,986
being treated like prisoners
557
00:25:22,988 --> 00:25:25,589
and not really getting proper
care like they would today.
558
00:25:25,591 --> 00:25:27,224
- Yes.
- Alright, so, jon, on the phone,
559
00:25:27,226 --> 00:25:28,692
you mentioned that
this whole mess
560
00:25:28,694 --> 00:25:31,428
was caused by an unsupervised
"mental patient."
561
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:32,529
who was it?
562
00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:34,698
It was a woman
named matilda crey.
563
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:38,402
She was 25 years old,
and she was brought in here
564
00:25:38,404 --> 00:25:41,405
because she had been setting
her clothing on fire.
565
00:25:41,407 --> 00:25:42,606
Her clothing?
566
00:25:42,608 --> 00:25:45,475
Alright, so she was already into
starting fires.
567
00:25:45,477 --> 00:25:47,911
- Yes.
- So we know who the person is.
568
00:25:47,913 --> 00:25:49,179
Take me through what happened.
569
00:25:49,181 --> 00:25:51,848
One day in March of 1858,
570
00:25:51,850 --> 00:25:55,018
she fastened a rope
out of her clothing
571
00:25:55,020 --> 00:25:58,622
and she threw it through
the windows of her cell
572
00:25:58,624 --> 00:26:02,459
and it landed on a stove
and the clothing caught fire
573
00:26:02,461 --> 00:26:05,495
and then that in turn
ignited the whole building.
574
00:26:05,497 --> 00:26:07,731
How bad did it get?
- It was really bad.
575
00:26:07,733 --> 00:26:11,368
All five of the inmates inside
were burned to death.
576
00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:13,203
- And that included matilda?
- Yes,
577
00:26:13,205 --> 00:26:15,839
the building had
completely burned down,
578
00:26:15,841 --> 00:26:19,076
and the bodies
were just blackened corpses.
579
00:26:19,078 --> 00:26:22,045
And one of the newspaper
accounts said that it was so bad
580
00:26:22,047 --> 00:26:24,714
that even the arms
and legs were gone.
581
00:26:24,716 --> 00:26:25,949
That's really sad.
582
00:26:25,951 --> 00:26:27,284
Regardless of what
people thought
583
00:26:27,286 --> 00:26:28,618
of the mentally ill back then,
584
00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:30,520
that's no way
for anybody to die.
585
00:26:30,522 --> 00:26:33,390
??
586
00:26:33,392 --> 00:26:36,026
amy: That group of dead people
are still down here.
587
00:26:36,028 --> 00:26:39,062
??
588
00:26:39,064 --> 00:26:41,832
somebody was writing down
1-8-8-0,
589
00:26:41,834 --> 00:26:45,402
and I see 1-9-0-8.
590
00:26:45,404 --> 00:26:46,870
Two groups, different times,
591
00:26:46,872 --> 00:26:53,143
but they all somehow
are linked from here.
592
00:26:53,145 --> 00:26:58,248
I feel like they are buried
in the same area.
593
00:26:58,250 --> 00:27:00,150
It's always dark for them.
594
00:27:00,152 --> 00:27:03,153
It's always, always nighttime
for them.
595
00:27:03,155 --> 00:27:07,257
I think they're trying to figure
out how to get out of here,
596
00:27:07,259 --> 00:27:08,859
but it hasn't gone well.
597
00:27:08,861 --> 00:27:12,929
??
598
00:27:12,931 --> 00:27:15,665
I'm seeing that little girl
who can change her shape.
599
00:27:15,667 --> 00:27:19,936
??
600
00:27:19,938 --> 00:27:24,040
I think she killed the people
there in the basement.
601
00:27:24,042 --> 00:27:27,077
She just touches the ground.
602
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:30,147
She can kill a lot of people
if she touches the ground.
603
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:37,354
??
604
00:27:37,356 --> 00:27:39,856
amy: I saw several
disturbing things on my walk,
605
00:27:39,858 --> 00:27:41,925
but two stood out.
606
00:27:41,927 --> 00:27:45,395
First, the group of dead
trapped in the basement.
607
00:27:45,397 --> 00:27:48,832
There were about 10 dead people
608
00:27:48,834 --> 00:27:53,370
and they retreated back
into this brick wall.
609
00:27:53,372 --> 00:27:55,438
One guy was the leader
of the group,
610
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,209
and he kind of stood
in front of everybody,
611
00:27:59,211 --> 00:28:01,912
like, in a kind of
protective stance.
612
00:28:01,914 --> 00:28:04,848
Next, I described
the angry man melding
613
00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:06,550
with a living person.
614
00:28:06,552 --> 00:28:08,485
He was tall.
615
00:28:08,487 --> 00:28:12,455
Mid-neck-length hair.
616
00:28:12,457 --> 00:28:14,925
And make sure he's got, you
know, full face.
617
00:28:14,927 --> 00:28:16,760
Okay.
618
00:28:16,762 --> 00:28:22,465
??
619
00:28:22,467 --> 00:28:24,834
amy, is this what you saw?
620
00:28:24,836 --> 00:28:26,169
Yes.
621
00:28:36,848 --> 00:28:45,789
??
622
00:28:45,791 --> 00:28:49,226
steve: Now that amy and I have
completed our investigations,
623
00:28:49,228 --> 00:28:51,761
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
624
00:28:51,763 --> 00:28:55,532
and our clients
for the first time.
625
00:28:55,534 --> 00:28:58,335
So, amy, I'd like you to meet
holly and her husband, mike.
626
00:28:58,337 --> 00:29:00,337
Now, these two guys
are newlyweds
627
00:29:00,339 --> 00:29:02,706
and should be having
the time of their lives.
628
00:29:02,708 --> 00:29:06,076
But activity in this house is
so bad, it's tearing them apart.
629
00:29:06,078 --> 00:29:10,547
Not only that, they're raising
two little boys here... Amy: Mm.
630
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:13,450
...And now they worry that
the kids aren't safe, as well.
631
00:29:13,452 --> 00:29:16,319
So unless amy's got
some questions for you guys,
632
00:29:16,321 --> 00:29:18,321
I'll ask her to describe
her walk for us.
633
00:29:18,323 --> 00:29:22,425
??
634
00:29:22,427 --> 00:29:26,229
when I first arrived,
I went down to the basement.
635
00:29:26,231 --> 00:29:30,600
I saw people, so I thought
you may hear voices down there.
636
00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:34,771
I do hear voices in the basement
quite frequently.
637
00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:38,174
If you're down there, for sure,
you'd feel watched.
638
00:29:38,176 --> 00:29:41,745
You may catch them out
of the corner of your eyes
639
00:29:41,747 --> 00:29:44,514
or see shadowlike figures.
640
00:29:44,516 --> 00:29:46,349
When she said
"feeling of being watched,"
641
00:29:46,351 --> 00:29:48,418
tell amy, what's going on
down there with that.
642
00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:50,654
I am very uncomfortable.
643
00:29:50,656 --> 00:29:54,124
Usually when I go down there,
I feel like something's
644
00:29:54,126 --> 00:29:56,226
constantly watching me
in the basement.
645
00:29:56,228 --> 00:29:57,661
You know, holly also told me
646
00:29:57,663 --> 00:29:59,329
about seeing shadowy figures
down there.
647
00:29:59,331 --> 00:30:02,565
I did have a sketch done
of what I saw.
648
00:30:02,567 --> 00:30:07,671
??
649
00:30:07,673 --> 00:30:12,742
??
650
00:30:12,744 --> 00:30:14,210
aw, geez.
651
00:30:14,212 --> 00:30:17,881
??
652
00:30:17,883 --> 00:30:19,349
oh, boy.
653
00:30:19,351 --> 00:30:24,454
I can see why I feel
as uncomfortable as I do.
654
00:30:24,456 --> 00:30:28,558
It just seems like everybody's
watching me from that room.
655
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,592
Very creepy.
656
00:30:29,594 --> 00:30:32,829
??
657
00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:36,700
steve: So what else
did you encounter?
658
00:30:36,702 --> 00:30:41,371
The next dead person that I met
was this elderly woman.
659
00:30:41,373 --> 00:30:47,243
She had children, and she looked
to me to be like in her 80s.
660
00:30:47,245 --> 00:30:48,878
At some point,
she owned this house.
661
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,080
I know that.
662
00:30:50,082 --> 00:30:54,217
She does not want
living people here.
663
00:30:54,219 --> 00:30:55,952
It doesn't sit well
with me at all.
664
00:30:55,954 --> 00:30:57,187
You and I, when we first talked,
665
00:30:57,189 --> 00:30:59,089
you felt like
this was never your home.
666
00:30:59,091 --> 00:31:01,024
Yeah. Explains why.
667
00:31:01,026 --> 00:31:03,226
So, not many people
lived in this house,
668
00:31:03,228 --> 00:31:05,028
and as far as I could tell
from the chain of title,
669
00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:07,097
only one woman ever owned it.
670
00:31:07,099 --> 00:31:09,499
And that woman
was arlene rothacher.
671
00:31:09,501 --> 00:31:11,301
Now, she was a mother of two.
672
00:31:11,303 --> 00:31:12,635
She was a widow who lived here
673
00:31:12,637 --> 00:31:15,405
with her daughter
in the '70s and '80s.
674
00:31:15,407 --> 00:31:19,075
Then in 1987, she was sitting
right here in this room
675
00:31:19,077 --> 00:31:21,745
watching tv, when she had
a massive heart attack and died.
676
00:31:21,747 --> 00:31:24,080
- Mm.
- She was 63.
677
00:31:24,082 --> 00:31:26,816
- Interesting.
- Anything else?
678
00:31:26,818 --> 00:31:29,919
So when I went upstairs,
679
00:31:29,921 --> 00:31:32,956
and then I went into
the room to the left.
680
00:31:32,958 --> 00:31:34,224
Okay, so that's your bedroom.
681
00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:38,928
I saw an angry older dead guy.
682
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:43,833
When he was alive, he spent
an extended amount of time
683
00:31:43,835 --> 00:31:46,302
at this location.
684
00:31:46,304 --> 00:31:51,207
I got him arguing
with another male.
685
00:31:51,209 --> 00:31:57,113
He is extremely angry,
and he regrets his life.
686
00:31:57,115 --> 00:32:00,517
He feels like it was
a complete failure.
687
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:02,786
It's not a lot to go on,
but it's enough for me
688
00:32:02,788 --> 00:32:04,687
to take a shot in the dark
with this one.
689
00:32:04,689 --> 00:32:07,824
Now, you remember I told you
about arlene rothacher, right?
690
00:32:07,826 --> 00:32:10,193
Well, her husband
was a guy named rudy.
691
00:32:10,195 --> 00:32:12,695
So now rudy bought this property
back in 1946,
692
00:32:12,697 --> 00:32:13,963
but then he built this house
693
00:32:13,965 --> 00:32:16,232
brick-by-brick
with his own hands.
694
00:32:16,234 --> 00:32:18,568
You said the guy was angry,
he felt like a failure.
695
00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:21,471
Well, he ran a coal-mining
company with his brothers,
696
00:32:21,473 --> 00:32:24,841
but they ran out of coal,
and the business went belly-up.
697
00:32:24,843 --> 00:32:26,910
Now, you saw this guy
arguing another man.
698
00:32:26,912 --> 00:32:29,746
Now, rudy had major problems
with his son, richard.
699
00:32:29,748 --> 00:32:33,349
In 1967, at the height
of the vietnam war,
700
00:32:33,351 --> 00:32:35,718
richard went awol from the army.
701
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,188
This had to be especially
embarrassing for rudy,
702
00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:40,390
'cause it was in the paper,
locally,
703
00:32:40,392 --> 00:32:43,092
about how his son
was a deserter.
704
00:32:43,094 --> 00:32:46,262
In 1973, rudy had just finished
dinner in the dining room
705
00:32:46,264 --> 00:32:50,800
and died of a massive heart
attack and dropped dead.
706
00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:53,336
The guy was only 55 years old.
707
00:32:53,338 --> 00:32:56,239
Nine years later, the son I
was talking about, richard,
708
00:32:56,241 --> 00:32:58,107
he was outside mowing the lawn,
709
00:32:58,109 --> 00:33:02,412
and he drops dead
of a heart attack.
710
00:33:02,414 --> 00:33:04,514
He was only 35 years old.
711
00:33:04,516 --> 00:33:06,883
So now that's three members
of the family
712
00:33:06,885 --> 00:33:09,752
all dying of heart attacks
all right here on this property.
713
00:33:09,754 --> 00:33:11,387
So I'm wondering
if the father, rudy,
714
00:33:11,389 --> 00:33:13,189
might've been
the guy you ran into.
715
00:33:13,191 --> 00:33:14,958
I'd say it'd be his son.
716
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,193
- The son?
- Yeah.
717
00:33:17,195 --> 00:33:19,996
So now you said this guy
was a big problem here. Why?
718
00:33:19,998 --> 00:33:22,932
Upstairs, he was screaming,
and he's like,
719
00:33:22,934 --> 00:33:25,768
"get out of here.
I don't want you."
720
00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:28,304
oh, in my bedroom,
somebody told me
721
00:33:28,306 --> 00:33:30,340
that they didn't want me here
and to get the hell out.
722
00:33:30,342 --> 00:33:31,741
Interesting.
723
00:33:31,743 --> 00:33:32,909
When he was around,
724
00:33:32,911 --> 00:33:38,715
his energy is very chaotic
and aggressive.
725
00:33:38,717 --> 00:33:42,752
His influence overall is that
he would make you feel
726
00:33:42,754 --> 00:33:48,791
irritated and aggressive.
727
00:33:48,793 --> 00:33:50,226
Steve: Why don't you tell amy
why you think
728
00:33:50,228 --> 00:33:51,961
your marriage is on the rocks.
729
00:33:51,963 --> 00:33:55,098
I have blackouts
and sudden rage,
730
00:33:55,100 --> 00:34:01,004
and it's normally
towards my husband.
731
00:34:01,006 --> 00:34:05,308
And sometimes I don't even
realize what I'm saying.
732
00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:07,911
Waking up out of a blackout,
I start coming to.
733
00:34:07,913 --> 00:34:09,679
And he's just staring
at me, like,
734
00:34:09,681 --> 00:34:11,214
"what the hell
just happened?"
735
00:34:11,216 --> 00:34:12,448
so all this stuff
that's going on,
736
00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:13,917
is this all richard?
737
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:16,119
Yeah, that sounds like him.
738
00:34:16,121 --> 00:34:22,492
What I saw him doing upstairs
in the bed was melding.
739
00:34:23,962 --> 00:34:26,462
He wants to know you.
740
00:34:26,464 --> 00:34:30,833
So I had a sketch done
of what I saw happening.
741
00:34:30,835 --> 00:34:35,972
??
742
00:34:35,974 --> 00:34:41,110
??
743
00:34:41,112 --> 00:34:43,046
hm.
744
00:34:43,048 --> 00:34:45,048
I think you guys
are gonna like this.
745
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:50,486
??
746
00:34:50,488 --> 00:34:52,555
so that could be why
you're uncomfortable
747
00:34:52,557 --> 00:34:56,092
when you're in bed.
748
00:34:56,094 --> 00:34:58,494
Yeah, I just felt
movement around my feet
749
00:34:58,496 --> 00:35:01,264
and I looked down
and my blanket's
750
00:35:01,266 --> 00:35:04,500
all wrapped up
underneath my feet.
751
00:35:04,502 --> 00:35:07,403
So you do think it's him
and not you?
752
00:35:07,405 --> 00:35:09,572
Steve:
It might be both of them.
753
00:35:09,574 --> 00:35:12,342
Now, you got held down in bed.
754
00:35:12,344 --> 00:35:14,677
It felt like somebody
was taking their hand like this
755
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:16,145
and going up my leg.
756
00:35:16,147 --> 00:35:18,181
And when the got up
to my shoulder area,
757
00:35:18,183 --> 00:35:20,984
they pushed me so hard
my face was, like,
758
00:35:20,986 --> 00:35:24,220
stuffed into my pillow,
and I couldn't move.
759
00:35:24,222 --> 00:35:26,055
Is richard messing
with both of them?
760
00:35:26,057 --> 00:35:28,424
I mean, it seems like it, huh?
761
00:35:28,426 --> 00:35:31,861
I think it's disgusting,
quite honestly.
762
00:35:31,863 --> 00:35:33,463
Honestly,
I think it's kind of cool.
763
00:35:35,634 --> 00:35:37,900
The guy's a ****
and you think it's cool?
764
00:35:37,902 --> 00:35:38,901
Yes.
765
00:35:38,903 --> 00:35:42,338
So he's leaving part of himself,
766
00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:44,841
you know, with you guys,
767
00:35:44,843 --> 00:35:48,311
which is really bad
'cause he's dead.
768
00:35:48,313 --> 00:35:50,113
It's dead energy.
769
00:35:50,115 --> 00:35:52,315
He doesn't even need to be here.
770
00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:54,517
He needs to go.
- Okay.
771
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:57,520
??
772
00:35:57,522 --> 00:36:01,691
steve: I'm afraid to even ask.
Is there more?
773
00:36:01,693 --> 00:36:03,292
- Well...
- Aw, geez.
774
00:36:03,294 --> 00:36:05,728
Alright.
- Oh, boy.
775
00:36:05,730 --> 00:36:10,266
What I'm most concerned about
is a little dead girl.
776
00:36:10,268 --> 00:36:13,603
So, you know, I was out back,
and all of a sudden
777
00:36:13,605 --> 00:36:19,742
she becomes this, like,
bizarre animal-creature thing.
778
00:36:19,744 --> 00:36:25,114
The dead told me
that she comes from the trees,
779
00:36:25,116 --> 00:36:27,183
from the woods.
780
00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:30,787
She's basically been here --
or it has been here
781
00:36:30,789 --> 00:36:35,158
since the beginning of time
and has never been human.
782
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,527
Now, amy, these guys
have a friend named zac.
783
00:36:37,529 --> 00:36:39,896
He told me
he saw an animal thing
784
00:36:39,898 --> 00:36:41,197
by the trees in the backyard
785
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,099
up on top of the hill here.
786
00:36:43,101 --> 00:36:45,835
He said it almost looked like
a deer standing up.
787
00:36:45,837 --> 00:36:46,903
Oh ****
788
00:36:46,905 --> 00:36:48,705
obviously, it freaked him out.
789
00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:51,774
Have you guys seen this thing?
- I haven't, no.
790
00:36:51,776 --> 00:36:55,712
It doesn't want
living people here.
791
00:36:55,714 --> 00:37:03,319
I felt that she had killed
the people in the basement.
792
00:37:03,321 --> 00:37:05,655
The other thing is that
793
00:37:05,657 --> 00:37:11,728
she is fixated on a child
that's here.
794
00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:15,665
I think that she does this
sometimes,
795
00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:17,800
takes people, living people.
796
00:37:17,802 --> 00:37:20,636
??
797
00:37:20,638 --> 00:37:22,638
matt: So what happens
when she takes them?
798
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,273
They disappear.
799
00:37:24,275 --> 00:37:27,977
My youngest told me he's seen
a little girl here.
800
00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:29,212
Amy: Not good.
801
00:37:29,214 --> 00:37:32,515
The older boy is the one
that the girl wants to take.
802
00:37:34,686 --> 00:37:37,253
He's not verbal.
He's autistic.
803
00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:41,390
But I can tell he communicates
with something.
804
00:37:41,392 --> 00:37:45,995
I feel sick knowing
that this is going on.
805
00:37:45,997 --> 00:37:48,197
There's something that's
going on with the kids, amy,
806
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:51,567
that I want you to see.
807
00:37:51,569 --> 00:37:54,370
These kids are waking up
with these marks,
808
00:37:54,372 --> 00:37:57,707
and these guys
are also getting attacked.
809
00:37:57,709 --> 00:37:59,208
These are scratches.
810
00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:02,111
This is the back of mike's arm.
- Not good.
811
00:38:02,113 --> 00:38:04,547
Steve: This is holly's leg.
812
00:38:04,549 --> 00:38:07,350
The attack on you guys,
that's richard.
813
00:38:07,352 --> 00:38:11,020
The kids,
I'm pretty sure it's the girl.
814
00:38:11,022 --> 00:38:13,389
I don't like this.
815
00:38:13,391 --> 00:38:18,127
??
816
00:38:24,502 --> 00:38:30,006
??
817
00:38:30,008 --> 00:38:32,408
so, holly, you thought
something here was trying
818
00:38:32,410 --> 00:38:34,343
to tear you and mike apart.
819
00:38:34,345 --> 00:38:35,578
Turns out, you were right.
820
00:38:35,580 --> 00:38:38,181
You also thought your kids
might be in danger.
821
00:38:38,183 --> 00:38:40,483
Unfortunately, right again.
822
00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:41,784
Now to answer
the big question --
823
00:38:41,786 --> 00:38:44,053
can you stay here and fight,
824
00:38:44,055 --> 00:38:45,521
or is it time to cut your losses
825
00:38:45,523 --> 00:38:48,257
and save your family
and get out?
826
00:38:48,259 --> 00:38:50,626
For that answer,
I'm gonna turn it over to amy.
827
00:38:50,628 --> 00:38:53,996
??
828
00:38:53,998 --> 00:38:56,032
amy: So, the first thing
that needs to be done
829
00:38:56,034 --> 00:39:01,637
is that arlene and richard
are to be removed.
830
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:07,043
So what I would like to do is
bring my team up to handle this.
831
00:39:07,045 --> 00:39:09,679
Then one member of the team,
832
00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:14,083
who will be a very gentle,
calm male,
833
00:39:14,085 --> 00:39:16,619
will be in your basement
834
00:39:16,621 --> 00:39:20,723
working with those dead people
to move them on.
835
00:39:20,725 --> 00:39:26,028
Once that's done,
the team will need to work on
836
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:30,032
setting up communication
with the thing outside.
837
00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:34,403
They will need to establish
a wall, a barrier
838
00:39:34,405 --> 00:39:41,544
between your home and yard
and what it considers its space.
839
00:39:41,546 --> 00:39:44,947
I am not certain
how this will go
840
00:39:44,949 --> 00:39:48,484
at that point, the team
will be able to tell you
841
00:39:48,486 --> 00:39:51,053
if they can do anything.
842
00:39:52,924 --> 00:39:54,357
And if they can't,
843
00:39:54,359 --> 00:39:56,626
then that would mean
you would have to leave.
844
00:39:56,628 --> 00:40:01,397
??
845
00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:05,301
I'm not sure where I stand
on that situation.
846
00:40:05,303 --> 00:40:06,602
So --
847
00:40:06,604 --> 00:40:09,071
I guess I need to experience
something so I can actually --
848
00:40:09,073 --> 00:40:11,574
so you need to experience
one of the kids disappearing?
849
00:40:11,576 --> 00:40:12,875
No, no.
850
00:40:12,877 --> 00:40:14,143
So you're believing
about the dead people,
851
00:40:14,145 --> 00:40:15,444
but the thing up
in the mountain here,
852
00:40:15,446 --> 00:40:17,680
you're not too up in the air
about it?
853
00:40:17,682 --> 00:40:19,982
Yeah, yeah.
854
00:40:19,984 --> 00:40:22,118
I'll leave.
855
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,686
No question.
856
00:40:24,555 --> 00:40:26,188
It's not like this place
is pretty populated.
857
00:40:26,190 --> 00:40:27,757
This ain't brooklyn.
I can tell you that.
858
00:40:27,759 --> 00:40:31,560
This is -- there's
no-frigging-body out here.
859
00:40:31,562 --> 00:40:33,729
Couple of deer?
You know, how you doing?
860
00:40:33,731 --> 00:40:36,032
That's it, right?
- Yeah.
861
00:40:36,034 --> 00:40:39,535
He's always gonna be
a bit skeptical.
862
00:40:39,537 --> 00:40:41,237
- And that's fine
- and that's fine.
863
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,339
Yeah.
864
00:40:43,341 --> 00:40:47,977
But I believe if it comes down
to the team saying,
865
00:40:47,979 --> 00:40:49,779
you know,
it's just gonna get worse
866
00:40:49,781 --> 00:40:52,782
and that's not going to leave,
and I'll move out the next day.
867
00:40:54,419 --> 00:40:55,851
She says she's gonna leave.
868
00:40:55,853 --> 00:40:57,720
Are you gonna go with her?
869
00:40:57,722 --> 00:41:03,426
??
870
00:41:03,428 --> 00:41:06,963
well, yeah, that's my wife.
[ chuckles ]
871
00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:10,199
you know, push comes to shove,
you got to do what's best.
872
00:41:10,201 --> 00:41:13,069
??
873
00:41:13,071 --> 00:41:14,570
amy: I really hope
the team is able
874
00:41:14,572 --> 00:41:16,672
to set up a barrier
from the thing outside
875
00:41:16,674 --> 00:41:19,475
that's trying
to steal their side.
876
00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:23,079
If they can do that and remove
the dead inside the home,
877
00:41:23,081 --> 00:41:26,949
holly and mike can stay and lead
a safe and peaceful life.
878
00:41:26,951 --> 00:41:31,387
??
879
00:41:31,389 --> 00:41:35,024
hi, everyone.
I just wanted to jump on here
880
00:41:35,026 --> 00:41:36,425
and give a quick update.
881
00:41:36,427 --> 00:41:39,028
The team that amy
suggested came in,
882
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:41,530
they cleared all
the negative energy,
883
00:41:41,532 --> 00:41:44,166
moved all the spirits on
that needed to be moved on,
884
00:41:44,168 --> 00:41:47,536
and we've had
no paranormal activity.
885
00:41:47,538 --> 00:41:50,940
My husband, mike, and the boys
have been doing great.
886
00:41:50,942 --> 00:41:56,545
I just want to thank everybody
for coming out and... Yeah.
887
00:41:56,547 --> 00:41:57,413
Everything's amazing.
888
00:41:57,415 --> 00:41:59,815
So... Thanks again.
889
00:41:59,865 --> 00:42:04,415
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