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[ eerie music plays ]

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[ suspenseful chord strikes ] amy: He's a nightmare.

He's gonna kill everybody.

He's losing his damn mind!

You're shakin'. 'cause I'm scared.

I wished she was dead.

And, next thing I know,

[crying] I get a phone call

saying that she was gone.

[ suspenseful chord strikes ] no. No, no, no, no, no.

She died brutally.

Someone had a throat slashed.

Somebody had an ear cut off.

She's trying to possess him.

My worst nightmares have come to life.

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she could cause instantaneous death.

I'm hearing a devil's triangle.

My name is amy allan.

I see dead people.

I think he might've been a stalker.

I speak to dead people.

And they speak to me.

He will kill you. He has killed people.

But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.

They're being possessed.

I rely on my partner.

I'm steve dischiavi.

I'm a retired new york city homicide detective.

How many people died here over the years?

And I know every person, every house, has secrets.

It's my job to reveal them.

But steve and I never speak...

We never communicate during an investigation.

Until the very end...

This sketch is like a nightmare.

When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...

[crying] I never thought

that the biggest problem was me.

Or time to get out.

He could, more than likely,

kill you. - [crying]

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[ voices whispering ]

??

so, I'm back out here

in elizabeth city, north carolina.

It's about an hour south of virginia beach.

Got a call from a woman named christine.

She says that, ever since she got sober,

something in her house has been attacking her

and her elderly mom

and she's convinced, if amy and I can't fix it,

someone's gonna wind up dead.

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[ crickets chirping ]

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I see something moving.

It's a black shadow figure.

It came and it went up the wall, so it's still on the wall

and then, it's stretching out over the ceiling

and then it's like putting me inside its mouth.

[ voice whispering ]

I am worried it can kill people.

??

so, christine, I'm glad I'm here

because, when we spoke on the phone,

you sounded like you were going through hell.

Yes. It is hell.

Every day is a battle.

So, christine, I know you and your mom live here.

Anybody else living in the house?

Yes, sir.

It's me, my mom, and my nephew ronnie.

He'll be 33 in November.

Have you had activity here the whole time?

Yes, sir.

However, I thought I might've been hallucinatin'

because I was in active addiction.

And, on the phone, you said the activity

picked up once you got clean.

It got way worse when I got clean

and it seems like that whatever's here

is trying to push me over the edge.

It wants to destroy me, wants me to use again.

I don't ever wanna go back to that.

Tell me what you guys are experiencing here.

We hear strange noises, voices, feelin' drained.

I've seen shadow figures

and it's gotten physically violent now.

So I gotta ask you, if it's as bad as you say it is,

what are you still doin' here?

Well, my mom loves it here and, um,

she doesn't wanna move.

So, christine, what do you think is here?

My sister passed away here.

I feel like she's here.

What happened?

[crying] overdose.

Okay. How long ago was that?

2012.

I found her and I tried cpr.

Couldn't get her back.

It's not a pretty sight.

[hoarsely] no.

You okay?

My mom always tells me not to cry

because it makes it worse.

That's not true. You gotta let it out.

One way or another,

we'll figure out somethin' here, okay?

Okay.

??

so, the first person I'm seeing is

[southern accent] an old lady don't want us here.

She was just, you know, "get out. Get outta here.

Just go on now.

Just get outta here."

she little. She's about this tall.

I would think that she lived here, at some point.

You know, what it seems like to me is

she doesn't know she's dead.

??

I'm thinkin' recent,

in the like last 5 to 10 years, I guess I'd say.

??

something here had something to do with her death.

Do you know how she died?

I feel like drugs.

Painkillers.

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??

okay. So, christine, what's goin' on in here?

I was comin' in here one mornin'

and I heard this male voice scream in my ear,

"what the **** are you doin' here?"

okay. So, was it a male voice

that you recognized?

No.

Was the tv on?

No. The tv wasn't on.

Okay. Anything else?

When I go down the hall,

I feel like I'm being pushed, feels like two hands pushing me.

What do you think that is?

It feels male.

Okay.

Somethin' evil that's pushin' me into the room.

Anything else?

Yeah. I was in bed with my mom

and I felt somethin' pull me on my arm

and pull me out of the bed.

Now, this wasn't a dream,

by any chance? Could it have been?

No. It wasn't a dream.

I wasn't asleep yet.

If what you're tellin' me is true,

I don't know how you're stayin' here,

to be honest with you.

Got no other where else to go.

You're shakin'.

- Yeah. - Just thinkin' about it.

Look at you. Look at you.

- Yeah. - Hold my hand for a second.

Look at you. - Yeah.

You're shakin'.

Because I'm scared.

We're here. We're gonna try

to figure this out, okay?

Yeah.

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amy: I'm seeing... This man.

He's just a horrible, horrible person.

Any idea what kind of experiences

the living might have with him?

There is this wood paneling and he's standing there

and like scratching it and scratching it,

making all of this racket.

He's so ugly, like it's just

his ugliness is manifesting in how people see him.

He's gross.

??

like he can't... Stand it if people have money around him

because he's the only one like basically allowed to have money.

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??

okay. So, what's goin' on in here?

I'm constantly being watched.

So exactly where were you feeling watched from?

Up in that upper corner.

- Right there? - Right up there.

It's creepy.

It makes me feel uneasy, scared.

My legs are shaking.

Okay. You alright?

- Yeah. - Yeah?

Yeah.

- You sure? - Yeah.

I get the cold chills.

Okay. Do you wanna sit on the bed? You okay?

- Yeah. - Yeah, sit on the bed.

That better for you?

- Yes. - Okay.

Try and relax.

Calm down.

So these cold chills you get,

where do you feel those?

All over my body.

They make my teeth chatter.

I know I've seen guys go through withdrawal

and that can happen.

It's not withdrawals.

It's been too long.

Alright. You got a lot goin' on,

so, [scoff] I mean, anything else?

I see a dark shadow zip across the bottom of the floor

and it's got ragged edges on it,

like a ripped dress with holes in it.

This feels feminine to me

- okay. - Because it's got a dress on.

Okay. Anything else?

Extreme mood changes

and I'll burst out into a violent rage.

So why is that paranormal, though?

Because that's not me.

Okay.

It's not me at all.

Does anybody else experience that?

Yes.

My mom, too.

She'll just walk by and just blurt outta her mouth

something really mean and nasty.

- Okay. - And that's not my mom.

And what about your nephew?

He bein' affected by it?

Yes.

So the mood changes you're having,

is it always like this rage and anger?

No, not all the time.

Severe bouts of depression, anxiety.

Okay.

Whatever's here, what do you think it wants?

I feel like it's tryin' to kill me.

- Okay. - It wants me to relapse

so it can take my soul.

Okay.

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amy: I'm seeing that shadow thing again, the one from the ceiling.

Weird.

I actually think it's a woman.

I do feel like they would see her.

She likes to peek out from corners.

She reads minds.

She can also display what freaks you out.

It's not just **** that scares you.

It's also stuff you like,

but she'll twist it, to make it scary.

So she can make you feel really bad.

She did touch me with a finger and it felt like ice.

[ voice whispering ]

she has something to do with that lady's death,

the older woman there.

So, I'm gonna assume she killed her.

She could cause instantaneous death.

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[ voices whisper ]

[ voices whisper ]

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so, barbara, your daughter christine called us in

because she thinks whatever's here

is pretty dangerous.

Yes, it is.

She also thinks whatever's here

might've played into your daughter's death.

I think so, too.

So, as far as experiences go,

anything you can tell me about?

Well, sometimes, when I come in the house,

I get mad at nothing and I go into a rage.

Well, I was talking to your daughter about that.

She says basically everybody does.

Describe what happens when it comes over you.

I throw things.

- Really? - Mm-hmm.

I get pissed and I end up cussing her out.

So, anything else?

I have seen a shadow figure walk

from the living room to the kitchen

and it's a woman with long hair.

And it couldn't have been a shadow

from outside or anything like that?

No, because that curtain was closed at the time.

Okay. Your daughter christine

is pretty convinced there's something evil here.

What do you think it wants?

It just wants us to fight with each other

so we can just maybe kill each other.

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amy: The **** is goin' on in this damn place?

That shadow woman is stalking a living person here.

Like creeping, opening and closing the door...

[ rattling ] [ shouting ]

[ slam ] Scratching.

She is always over here,

just watching and just watching.

??

lookin' like some kinda damn creature,

like a nightmare, like creepy.

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??

so, ronnie, I understand you're christine's nephew.

Yes.

How long have you lived here, anyway?

Four and a half, maybe five years.

Okay. So, as far as experiences go, have you had any?

Yeah. I was asleep one night.

All of a sudden, woke up gaspin' for air

and I looked and I seen my mom standing there.

Okay. So, at this point,

your mom had passed already?

Yeah. Pretty much the full figure.

Just like you're standing right here.

Did you think you were dreaming?

Yeah, at first I did, but, then, she touched me and...

[ sigh ]

[crying] ...She told me everything was gonna be okay

and that she forgave me.

??

what'd she forgive you for? Do you know?

Me and her got into a big argument over the phone

and I told her that I wished she was dead.

And, next thing I know,

I get a phone call saying that she was gone.

That's the last words you spoke with her?

??

your aunt and your grandmother

both feel whatever's in this house

attributed to your mom's passing.

You have any thoughts on that?

Honestly, I don't know.

It has crossed my mind multiple times.

Okay. So, anything else you can tell me about?

I've heard a voice sound like my aunt.

[ chuckle ]

so I walked through the house. I was like,

"hang on. She's not even here."

it actually kinda had me trippin' a little bit.

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amy: I'm getting like a male.

I think he's alive.

I'm seeing all this blackness going into his stomach.

It hurts!

The shadow woman is doing this to him.

[ suspenseful chord strikes ] aah! [ growling ]

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what kind of effect would that have on him?

She is influencing him, and not in a good way.

Meaning what?

Possessing, controlling.

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I see the word warning,

like there's a warning about him, and she's like,

"shhhhhhh!"

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so, any other experience you can tell me about?

A buncha rage [mirthless chuckle] goin' on.

Well, your aunt and your grandmother

told me about the rage.

Anytime one of them would start snappin' at me,

I instantly snap back 'cause, I mean,

I was raised not to put up with nothin'.

Are you worried it may get violent?

Oh, yeah.

[ eerie music plays ] it worries me.

I worry about it every day.

What do you think is goin' on,

as far as the activity?

Honestly, I don't know.

But whatever it is, it really loves anger.

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amy: The shadow woman is really focused on this living man.

I feel like, you know, it kinda... Like brought it on.

Like he kinda knows what's goin' on

and he kinda likes it.

Initially, she came in

and kinda gave him energy and strength.

I think he felt like he had more power and he just felt better.

He felt more in control.

It allows him to get his anger out.

But, now, I think it's gettin' out of control, man,

and she's consuming him...

[ voice exhaling ]

Takin' over his body, like possession.

You know, he's losin' his damn mind!

Bro, he's about to snap!

This is not good.

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[ voices whisper ]

[ voices whisper ]

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I just got off the phone with a local genealogist.

Now, she told me the original owner of christine's property

had it for over 50 years

and this guy was known for two things:

Money and violence.

Sounds like this could definitely help my case.

??

well, diane, thanks for helping me out

with this case and meeting with me.

I mean, who was this guy and when did he get

to my client's property?

His name was daniel jennings

and, by 1870,

he ended up owning over 220 acres.

Okay. So this is a resourceful guy.

I would say so.

A lot of people, after the civil war,

farms were destroyed,

so, to own land, you know,

in the 1860s, 1870s, that was an accomplishment.

Okay.

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amy: I'm seeing the old ugly guy again.

His head is way too small for his body,

huge stomach,

and this really big nose

and like really red cheeks.

He looks like a dickens character.

I'd put him in the 1890s to the 1920s?

And he's super rich!

You mentioned, on the phone,

that this guy jennings had a violent streak.

I mean, what were you talkin' about?

Yeah, it seems he was kind of quick to anger

and so settled disputes violently,

and we have a couple of examples of that.

Let's talk about 'em.

In August 1874,

a young black man wandered onto jennings' property

and his name was noah pailin.

The young man was seeking some food,

so jennings provided him with some apples.

Okay. So what happened?

Well, daniel turns around,

he demands that pailin leave the property.

Pailin doesn't.

He walks into his house.

He gets his gun. He comes out.

Pailin is still there.

And he shoots him.

Pailin died the very next day.

So, now, he murdered a guy on his own property.

Did he get charged with it?

Yes, he was charged with murder.

There was a trial held in February of 1875

and he was found not guilty.

Okay.

You mentioned there were two stories of violence

with this guy. What was the other one?

Daniel jennings and his family

had a rivalry with a family called mcpherson.

On January 12, 1905,

one of daniel's sons and a mcpherson boy

had a disagreement.

- Okay. - And, because of that,

daniel set up to have a brawl with the mcpherson clan

at a location about a mile from your client's house.

Okay. So what happened?

It got bloody.

Someone had a throat slashed.

Somebody had an ear cut off.

How old is this guy, at this point?

Daniel is in his later 60s.

This guy's a maniac. I mean, he's in his 60s

and he's out there fightin' like a kid.

He did not back down at what he viewed as an insult.

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amy: I'm seeing two dead boys.

First one is a white male.

He's probably like maybe 17 years old.

There was one gravestone in the grass.

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you know, some kind of nickname.

I just saw "mc."

it's probably around the 1930s?

The two boys might be from two different time periods.

And then, the other boy, he's black.

They're both very quiet

and just kind of like watching everything.

??

that old ugly guy?

He's aware of the two dead boys and he hates them.

He calls them trash that needs to be put out.

I think he would probably kill these two other boys, somehow.

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okay. So this guy kills a man,

organizes a gang fight

where people get slashed and lose ears.

Say that money and violence

is part of this guy's life

is an understatement.

Whatever happened to this guy?

Basically, he lived out the rest of his life on the farm.

He didn't die until 1922.

He died of heart disease when he was 88 years old

and here's his death certificate.

My mother used to say

that only the good die young.

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amy: This ugly guy hates everyone on this land.

How old is this guy?

Much older. I'd say like probably 83.

Any idea how he died?

I think natural causes.

He's a nightmare.

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??

so, I'm driving over to meet a local historian.

He says he found a story of a mother and her child

who died tragically right across the street

from christine's property.

He says it's a story

I'm definitely gonna wanna know about.

??

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??

so, the death you came across

near my client's property,

what's the story with that?

So, in the 1920s and '30s,

there was a series of diphtheria outbreaks in the area.

What does that have to do with these two deaths?

In July 1935,

a local doctor was giving vaccinations at the church

less than 1,000 feet from the client's property.

Okay. So what happened?

A local woman, named lona hurdle,

brought her young daughter to that clinic

and got the vaccination shot.

This is lona and her husband, joe;

and their little daughter doris.

She's only 18 months old.

Okay. So what happened?

Unfortunately, shortly after receiving the vaccine,

the child fell seriously ill

and, later that evening, she dies.

I mean, the mother must've been out of her mind.

She was devastated.

I mean, she actually believed

that she had caused her own daughter's death.

So she finds a toxic chemical in the house

and she commits suicide.

You're kiddin' me.

There's her death certificate.

And here's the kicker to the whole story.

The family learned, after lona's death,

that the daughter, doris,

died from an intestinal disease.

??

you gotta be kiddin' me.

So this kid didn't die from the vaccine

and the mother committed suicide over it?

What a shame. This is one

of the most tragic stories I've heard.

It is very tragic.

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amy: The shadow woman won't tell me how she died.

You know, all she said was like she died brutally

and I'm like, "well, that must be murder."

and she's like, "it was illness."

probably a very long time ago.

Probably when this was I'm assuming like

farmland or something.

Seems like she killed herself here.

[ ominous chord strikes ]

[ laughter ]

??

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[ voices whisper ]

[ suspenseful music plays ]

so far, I've got a family suffering

from physical attacks and violent mood swings

on a property where one man was shot to death

and a grieving mother killed herself,

but, I wanna see if there's anything else.

??

diggin' through old records, I discover a homicide from 1995.

Turns out, it happened just 3,000 feet

from christine's house.

??

so, I asked a local pi to look into this homicide for me.

Now, he says it was a love triangle gone wrong

and the victim?

Never saw it coming.

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??

so, john, I appreciate you

helping me out with this case.

What do we know about this victim?

The victim is named glenn guarino.

He's a 46-year-old vietnam veteran

and a recipient of the purple heart.

Okay. So,

this guy live alone? Was he married?

So he was married. His wife's name was deborah.

They had a daughter together

and they lived just a few thousand feet

from your client's property.

Alright. What happened?

On December 5th of 1995, glenn guarino went missing.

He just vanished and, at the time,

his wife, deborah, was tellin' friends and family

that he had a reoccurrence of ptsd

and had been admitted

into a mental hospital in new jersey.

The suspicious thing, though,

was that, when family checked in,

they couldn't find any record of him being

in any hospital in new jersey.

Alright. So, now, the family can't find him

up in jersey. What do they do?

Right. So, in October of 1996,

his mom filed a formal missing persons report

down here in north carolina

and basically ignites the investigation

into looking for glenn.

Okay. So, now, where do the cops go from here?

They get a tip that deborah had

her 36-year-old boyfriend, perry woltz,

move into the house not long after glenn went missing.

Okay. So she's sharp as a marble, basically.

They're not even divorced or anything, but,

this guy's livin' with her?

They seized on that opportunity

to go out and interview perry.

Okay. So, now, they pick up perry, bring him back,

put him in the box, and interrogate him?

They do.

So perry tells the investigators that,

in the middle of the night,

deborah shot glenn

in the temple while he slept.

She then called perry over to help dispose of the body

and the two of them buried him

in the backyard underneath a fish pond.

However, prior to burying him,

deborah fired a second shot into her husband's head,

to make sure that he was dead.

Here's the autopsy report.

??

alright. So I assume they make an arrest after that.

Right. So both perry and deborah

were arrested on February 5, 1997.

Deborah pled not guilty, but it took the jury

only 45 minutes to convict her of first-degree murder

and sentence her to life in prison

without the possibility of parole.

What about perry?

Perry made a deal with the prosecutors

and he testified against deborah

and he was convicted of second-degree murder

and he received a much lighter sentence.

Now, what about her?

I mean, any motive?

Nobody knows, to this day,

why she snapped and killed her husband.

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amy: The shadow woman goes everywhere.

[ gasping ]

she definitely roams.

She can go and bother people.

??

I wanna say she is influencing a large area.

This is bad.

She feels anger.

She's influencing people, making them angry and violent.

[ suspenseful music climbs ] yeah, it's a lot.

??

I saw a lot of disturbing things on my walk,

but two concerned me the most.

First, the woman who overdosed on drugs.

??

she was an older lady.

She had one of those kinda perms and smaller eyes.

Neck was thinner.

Okay.

Next, I describe the shadow woman attacking the living male.

He was at the end of his bed

and he had like a black hole opened into his stomach.

This dead chick, she goes into him there.

??

amy, was this what you saw?

Yes.

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[ voices whisper ]

[ voices whisper ]

[ suspenseful music plays ]

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steve: Now that amy and I have completed our investigations,

we're ready to reveal our findings to each other

and our clients for the first time.

So, amy, this is christine and her mother, barbara.

They live here with christine's nephew ronnie.

That's him in the middle right here.

There's been activity here for years,

but things have gotten so bad that no one can deny

there's something here and it's not good.

These two ladies are counting on you to fix it

before somebody gets killed.

So, unless amy's got some questions for you guys,

I'll ask her to describe her walk for us.

??

the first person I encountered was a dead woman.

She really didn't want us there.

I think this deceased woman lived here, at some point.

She was pretty petite, average weight.

To me, she looked like to be in her early 60s.

So I kinda feel like she's a more recent death,

within the last 5 to 10 years.

Wow.

So, what are we ladies thinkin'?

Same thing I'm thinkin'?

Yeah.

Christine's sister stephanie lived here for five years,

but she died a tragic death in 2012.

Oh!

She passed away from an overdose.

Really?!

- [softly] yeah. - Oh, wow!

I tried to do cpr,

but, she passed away at the house.

How old was she, though?

Forty-eight when she died.

Maybe she looks older because of the drugs?

I have a picture of her, taken right before she passed.

So do you think stephanie could be the woman you saw?

Well, I had a sketch done of the person that I saw.

??

oh, my gosh.

[ suspenseful chord strikes ]

it looks just like her.

Looks like her when she would be older.

Explain to amy why you got sober, though.

I'm a recovering addict.

I was tired and I wanted a new life,

so I changed.

Okay.

Okay.

Now, you told me you felt, as soon as you got sober,

that's when things started to get crazy here.

Yes.

Does that make any sense to you?

Yes.

When you get sober, awareness level

will be much more heightened.

That's crazy.

??

so, the next dead person that I encountered was a deceased male.

I thought maybe you'd see him.

He's very unattractive.

So, however he presents, it would be unpleasant.

He's not a good person, very aggressive,

a lot of hate, and he can get physical.

Now, you've had some physical stuff happen

to you here.

Yes.

Tell her about the hole.

I feel like that I'm gettin' pushed

down into my bedroom.

Somebody's taking both of their hands

and pushing me.

Could this guy do something like this?

Yeah.

Did you get anything

on who he might've been when he was alive?

He definitely owned this place

and, really, the whole area.

He was all about money and power when he was alive.

The way he was presenting to me would be between 1890 and 1920s.

He did state that he died from natural causes

and that he was around, I think, 83 when he died.

So a lot of things amy was saying reminded me

of a guy I came across during my investigation.

And his name was daniel jennings

and he was the original owner of your property.

In fact, he owned over 200 acres of property,

pretty much the entire neighborhood.

Now, he moved onto the property in 1870.

You said the guy was aggressive.

The expert I spoke to said

jennings was known to be a real violent guy.

Now, in 1874, jennings killed a young black guy

that refused to get off his property.

Oh, ****

wow.

But, he wound up gettin' acquitted of it by a jury.

Of course he did.

Now, he died on the property of heart disease in 1922,

at the age of 84.

Mm. Okay.

So, is it possible that jennings could be

the guy that you're talkin' about?

Yeah.

??

so, what else did you encounter?

The dead person I'm most concerned about

was this woman that I encountered.

She appears as a shadow person.

She lived on the land, at some point.

It was back when the area was just,

I think, farmland and really tall grass.

The only thing that she said was that she died a brutal death.

I take that as meaning a murder,

but then she clarified later that it was a horrible illness.

Alright. That's not much to go on,

but I got a hunch on something.

Back in the 1930s, there was a woman named lonna hurdle.

She lived about 1,000 feet from here.

I got a couple of photos of lonna,

and then this is her with her husband.

In 1935, lonna took her daughter, doris,

to a church right across the street from here

to get her a vaccine for diphtheria.

So now a few hours later, young girl got very sick,

went into convulsions, and she died.

Lonna was devastated.

She thought she killed her daughter, basically,

by getting her the vaccination.

So the grief was too much for her,

so she swallowed a bunch of poison.

Here's the crazy part.

The kid did not die from the vaccination.

The kid died from an intestinal illness.

So she wound up killing herself basically for no reason.

So you said you were concerned about this woman.

Why is that? What could she do to them?

Amy: I do feel that you would see her.

I saw her as a shadow with longer hair.

Wow. I saw a shadow go by from the living room to the kitchen.

Mm-hmm.

And she had long hair.

How about that shadowy dress thing you told me about?

Christine: At the bottom of the floor, I'll see what looks like

a ragged dress that's been torn.

I can feel that it's feminine.

Interesting. She likes corners in particular.

She likes to stare at the living,

so I think you would feel her watching you.

That sure rings a bell, the feeling of being watched.

She was behind me, and she touched me

with her finger on my shoulder, and I felt ice-cold.

So I would think that the living would feel that.

Sometimes, when I'm in bed,

it feels like there's a cold blanket

that's wrapped all the way around me,

and it's freezing cold.

So cold that my teeth start chattering

and my body starts shaking.

One of the ways that she can affect living people

is by manipulating their thoughts.

She reads minds.

She can also display what freaks you out.

She can make you feel really bad.

Mind games is what I call it,

ups and downs with depression,

anxiety, anger, fear.

Mm-hmm.

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people that I've lost in the past,

that I love dearly,

they come back in my dreams all the time.

All my dreams are dead people.

I get angry at nothing.

The other day, she and I were having

an argument in the kitchen,

and I was screaming and hollering at her

and she was screaming and hollering at me

and she said my eyes turned yellow.

I get angry at ronnie.

And he told me he gets the same kind of mood,

but it's a reaction, obviously, to what's going on in the house.

He gets angry really quick.

I think that this dead female

is focused on a male in the house.

Oh. It's got to be ronnie.

He's the only male in the house.

I'm gonna show you a sketch of what I saw.

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the hell is this?

Take a look at that.

Oh, my god.

Oh, wow.

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she's going into his stomach, and it hurts.

Oh, gosh. He's got stomach problems.

Alright. So why is this woman picking on him?

She's basically trying to possess him.

Definitely felt powerless,

and he has a lot of anger

that has been bottled up for a long time,

and she was making him feel better about all of that,

and he liked that.

And I don't know, now it's out of control.

What I saw specifically was him just snapping.

I've never gotten anything like that before

in any case that we've ever done.

Oh, my god.

The other thing that's happening

is that she is a direct threat to both of you.

She can slowly drain your energy

to the point where you develop some type of terminal illness.

She can also cause sudden deaths,

and this would be from things like sudden heart attack

or things like brain aneurysms.

I do believe that she did

have something to do with your sister's death.

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now you told me that you thought whatever is in this house

was trying to get you to start using again.

Yes.

Takes me to places I don't like to be.

That make sense?

Well, yeah, that's her thing, yeah.

Really, really pissed off.

I'm worried for her.

I'm worried for him.

My worst nightmares have come to life,

and my family is gonna wind up

hurting me or somebody else.

I knew it was bad,

but I didn't think it was this bad.

It's just horrible.

- You alright? - Yeah, I need some air.

Okay.

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[ voices whisper ]

[ voices whisper ]

steve: So, christine, you called us in

because you thought you and your family were in danger here.

What we don't know is whether there's anything you can do

to fix this so that you can keep your life on track

and stay here safely with your family.

For that answer, I'm going to turn it over to amy.

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I do feel that you really need to move.

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your sister is gonna follow,

and then hopefully she can start her process of moving on.

Her following them is not gonna cause any danger?

Oh, no. Not at all.

The next thing I would like ronnie to do

is to go and attend a healing

at a church that does faith healing,

revivals, things of that nature.

He needs that kind of experience

to break and sever the tie

with this woman.

You think he'd be up for that?

I'm gonna sure as hell try.

Otherwise you know you're going to have to sever ties with him.

Yeah.

And I wanted to let you know, like, as far as the old man

who's been unfortunately, you know, harassing you,

he'll stay here because he's so tied to this land.

He can have it.

That place is nothing but bad memories.

It sounds like a win-win if you do what amy tells you to do.

It is a win-win.

I'm not staying.

Nobody is.

We'll find a nice place.

And you deserve it now.

You need to start your life over.

These answers, as tough as they are, is what you needed to hear.

Yeah, it's a lot to hear, but I wanted the truth.

You've answered every question that I needed answered, really,

and I'm not going to suffer anymore.

And I'm not gonna let anything steal my joy from me.

Thank you so much.

Amy: It's never easy telling a family to move out,

but if christine and barbara leave

and get ronnie the help he needs,

they will finally be able to live

in a peaceful and loving home.

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hi, amy and steve.

This is christine and barbara from elizabeth city,

north carolina, coming at you with an update.

Activity has died down

and ronnie has agreed to go to church

and do the hands-on healing,

and if activity decides to pick up,

then we are gonna move.

Thank you, steve and amy, for coming out and helping us.

We appreciate it. Thank you.

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