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[ suspenseful music plays ]
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[ eerie music plays ]
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??
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[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
amy: He's a nightmare.
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He's gonna kill everybody.
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He's losing his damn mind!
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You're shakin'.
'cause I'm scared.
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I wished she was dead.
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And, next thing I know,
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[crying]
I get a phone call
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saying that she was gone.
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[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
no. No, no, no, no, no.
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She died brutally.
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Someone had a throat slashed.
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Somebody had an ear cut off.
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She's trying to possess him.
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My worst nightmares
have come to life.
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[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
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she could cause
instantaneous death.
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I'm hearing a devil's triangle.
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My name is amy allan.
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I see dead people.
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I think he might've
been a stalker.
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I speak to dead people.
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And they speak to me.
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He will kill you.
He has killed people.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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They're being possessed.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm steve dischiavi.
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I'm a retired new york city
homicide detective.
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How many people died here
over the years?
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And I know every person,
every house, has secrets.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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But steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end...
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This sketch is like a nightmare.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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[crying]
I never thought
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that the biggest problem was me.
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Or time to get out.
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He could, more than likely,
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kill you.
- [crying]
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[ ominous chord strikes ]
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[ voices whispering ]
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??
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so, I'm back out here
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in elizabeth city,
north carolina.
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It's about an hour south
of virginia beach.
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Got a call from a woman
named christine.
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She says that,
ever since she got sober,
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something in her house
has been attacking her
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and her elderly mom
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and she's convinced,
if amy and I can't fix it,
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someone's gonna wind up dead.
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??
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[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
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??
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[ crickets chirping ]
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??
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I see something moving.
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It's a black shadow figure.
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It came and it went up the wall,
so it's still on the wall
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and then, it's stretching out
over the ceiling
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and then it's like
putting me inside its mouth.
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[ voice whispering ]
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I am worried it can kill people.
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??
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so, christine, I'm glad I'm here
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because,
when we spoke on the phone,
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you sounded like you
were going through hell.
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Yes. It is hell.
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Every day is a battle.
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So, christine, I know you
and your mom live here.
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Anybody else living
in the house?
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Yes, sir.
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It's me, my mom,
and my nephew ronnie.
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He'll be 33 in November.
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Have you had activity
here the whole time?
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Yes, sir.
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However, I thought
I might've been hallucinatin'
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because I was
in active addiction.
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And, on the phone,
you said the activity
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picked up once you got clean.
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It got way worse
when I got clean
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and it seems like
that whatever's here
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is trying to push me
over the edge.
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It wants to destroy me,
wants me to use again.
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I don't ever wanna go
back to that.
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Tell me what you guys
are experiencing here.
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We hear strange noises,
voices, feelin' drained.
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I've seen shadow figures
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and it's gotten
physically violent now.
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So I gotta ask you, if it's
as bad as you say it is,
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what are you still doin' here?
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Well, my mom loves it here
and, um,
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she doesn't wanna move.
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So, christine, what
do you think is here?
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My sister passed away here.
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I feel like she's here.
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What happened?
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[crying] overdose.
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Okay.
How long ago was that?
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2012.
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I found her and I tried cpr.
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Couldn't get her back.
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It's not a pretty sight.
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[hoarsely] no.
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You okay?
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My mom always tells me
not to cry
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because it makes it worse.
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That's not true.
You gotta let it out.
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One way or another,
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we'll figure out
somethin' here, okay?
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Okay.
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??
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so, the first person
I'm seeing is
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[southern accent]
an old lady don't want us here.
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She was just, you know,
"get out. Get outta here.
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Just go on now.
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Just get outta here."
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she little.
She's about this tall.
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I would think that she
lived here, at some point.
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You know, what it seems
like to me is
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she doesn't know she's dead.
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??
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I'm thinkin' recent,
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in the like last 5 to 10 years,
I guess I'd say.
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??
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something here had something
to do with her death.
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Do you know how she died?
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I feel like drugs.
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Painkillers.
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[ ominous chord strikes ]
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??
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okay. So, christine,
what's goin' on in here?
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I was comin' in here one mornin'
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and I heard this male voice
scream in my ear,
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"what the ****
are you doin' here?"
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okay.
So, was it a male voice
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that you recognized?
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No.
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Was the tv on?
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No.
The tv wasn't on.
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Okay.
Anything else?
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When I go down the hall,
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I feel like I'm being pushed,
feels like two hands pushing me.
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What do you think that is?
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It feels male.
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Okay.
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Somethin' evil that's
pushin' me into the room.
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Anything else?
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Yeah. I was in bed
with my mom
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and I felt somethin'
pull me on my arm
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and pull me out of the bed.
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Now, this wasn't a dream,
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by any chance?
Could it have been?
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No.
It wasn't a dream.
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I wasn't asleep yet.
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If what you're
tellin' me is true,
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I don't know how
you're stayin' here,
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to be honest with you.
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Got no other where else to go.
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You're shakin'.
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- Yeah.
- Just thinkin' about it.
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Look at you.
Look at you.
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- Yeah.
- Hold my hand for a second.
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Look at you.
- Yeah.
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You're shakin'.
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Because I'm scared.
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We're here.
We're gonna try
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to figure this out, okay?
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Yeah.
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??
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amy:
I'm seeing... This man.
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He's just a horrible,
horrible person.
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Any idea what kind
of experiences
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the living might have with him?
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There is this wood paneling
and he's standing there
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and like scratching it
and scratching it,
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making all of this racket.
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He's so ugly, like it's just
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his ugliness is manifesting
in how people see him.
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He's gross.
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??
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like he can't... Stand it
if people have money around him
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because he's the only one like
basically allowed to have money.
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[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
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??
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okay. So, what's
goin' on in here?
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I'm constantly being watched.
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So exactly where were you
feeling watched from?
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Up in that upper corner.
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- Right there?
- Right up there.
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It's creepy.
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It makes me feel uneasy, scared.
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My legs are shaking.
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Okay.
You alright?
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- Yeah.
- Yeah?
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Yeah.
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- You sure?
- Yeah.
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I get the cold chills.
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Okay. Do you wanna sit on the bed?
You okay?
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- Yeah.
- Yeah, sit on the bed.
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That better for you?
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- Yes.
- Okay.
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Try and relax.
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Calm down.
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So these cold chills you get,
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where do you feel those?
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All over my body.
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They make my teeth chatter.
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I know I've seen guys
go through withdrawal
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and that can happen.
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It's not withdrawals.
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It's been too long.
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Alright.
You got a lot goin' on,
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so, [scoff] I mean,
anything else?
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I see a dark shadow zip
across the bottom of the floor
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and it's got ragged edges on it,
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like a ripped dress
with holes in it.
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This feels feminine to me
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- okay.
- Because it's got a dress on.
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Okay.
Anything else?
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Extreme mood changes
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and I'll burst out
into a violent rage.
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So why is that
paranormal, though?
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Because that's not me.
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Okay.
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It's not me at all.
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Does anybody else
experience that?
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Yes.
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My mom, too.
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She'll just walk by and just
blurt outta her mouth
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something really mean and nasty.
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- Okay.
- And that's not my mom.
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And what about your nephew?
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He bein' affected by it?
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Yes.
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So the mood changes
you're having,
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is it always like
this rage and anger?
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No, not all the time.
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Severe bouts of depression,
anxiety.
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Okay.
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Whatever's here,
what do you think it wants?
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I feel like it's tryin'
to kill me.
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- Okay.
- It wants me to relapse
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so it can take my soul.
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Okay.
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??
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amy: I'm seeing that shadow thing
again, the one from the ceiling.
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Weird.
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I actually think it's a woman.
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I do feel like
they would see her.
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She likes to peek out
from corners.
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She reads minds.
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She can also display
what freaks you out.
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It's not just ****
that scares you.
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It's also stuff you like,
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but she'll twist it,
to make it scary.
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So she can make you feel
really bad.
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She did touch me with a finger
and it felt like ice.
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[ voice whispering ]
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she has something to do
with that lady's death,
266
00:10:19,834 --> 00:10:21,501
the older woman there.
267
00:10:21,503 --> 00:10:25,739
So, I'm gonna assume
she killed her.
268
00:10:25,741 --> 00:10:29,978
She could cause
instantaneous death.
269
00:10:29,980 --> 00:10:30,979
[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
270
00:10:30,981 --> 00:10:34,650
[ voices whisper ]
271
00:10:37,122 --> 00:10:41,325
[ voices whisper ]
272
00:10:41,327 --> 00:10:43,995
[ suspenseful music plays ]
273
00:10:43,997 --> 00:10:51,371
??
274
00:10:51,373 --> 00:10:54,708
so, barbara, your daughter
christine called us in
275
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because she thinks
whatever's here
276
00:10:55,878 --> 00:10:57,111
is pretty dangerous.
277
00:10:57,113 --> 00:10:58,113
Yes, it is.
278
00:10:58,115 --> 00:11:00,015
She also thinks whatever's here
279
00:11:00,017 --> 00:11:03,786
might've played into
your daughter's death.
280
00:11:03,788 --> 00:11:06,390
I think so, too.
281
00:11:06,392 --> 00:11:08,425
So, as far as experiences go,
282
00:11:08,427 --> 00:11:10,127
anything you can tell me about?
283
00:11:10,129 --> 00:11:12,096
Well, sometimes,
when I come in the house,
284
00:11:12,098 --> 00:11:16,402
I get mad at nothing
and I go into a rage.
285
00:11:16,404 --> 00:11:18,270
Well, I was talking to
your daughter about that.
286
00:11:18,272 --> 00:11:20,073
She says basically
everybody does.
287
00:11:20,075 --> 00:11:22,810
Describe what happens
when it comes over you.
288
00:11:22,812 --> 00:11:24,245
I throw things.
289
00:11:24,247 --> 00:11:25,513
- Really?
- Mm-hmm.
290
00:11:25,515 --> 00:11:30,185
I get pissed and I end up
cussing her out.
291
00:11:30,187 --> 00:11:31,354
So, anything else?
292
00:11:31,356 --> 00:11:33,423
I have seen a shadow figure walk
293
00:11:33,425 --> 00:11:35,258
from the living room
to the kitchen
294
00:11:35,260 --> 00:11:38,028
and it's a woman with long hair.
295
00:11:38,030 --> 00:11:39,063
And it couldn't have
been a shadow
296
00:11:39,065 --> 00:11:40,332
from outside
or anything like that?
297
00:11:40,334 --> 00:11:42,834
No, because that curtain
was closed at the time.
298
00:11:42,836 --> 00:11:44,237
Okay. Your
daughter christine
299
00:11:44,239 --> 00:11:46,072
is pretty convinced there's
something evil here.
300
00:11:46,074 --> 00:11:48,108
What do you think it wants?
301
00:11:48,110 --> 00:11:49,910
It just wants us to fight
with each other
302
00:11:49,912 --> 00:11:52,313
so we can just maybe
kill each other.
303
00:11:52,315 --> 00:11:55,850
??
304
00:11:55,852 --> 00:11:59,121
amy: The **** is goin'
on in this damn place?
305
00:11:59,123 --> 00:12:03,193
That shadow woman is stalking
a living person here.
306
00:12:03,195 --> 00:12:07,098
Like creeping,
opening and closing the door...
307
00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:08,466
[ rattling ]
[ shouting ]
308
00:12:08,468 --> 00:12:10,669
[ slam ]
Scratching.
309
00:12:10,671 --> 00:12:12,471
She is always over here,
310
00:12:12,473 --> 00:12:14,641
just watching and just watching.
311
00:12:14,643 --> 00:12:17,378
??
312
00:12:17,380 --> 00:12:19,947
lookin' like some kinda
damn creature,
313
00:12:19,949 --> 00:12:23,218
like a nightmare, like creepy.
314
00:12:23,220 --> 00:12:24,753
[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
315
00:12:24,755 --> 00:12:31,128
??
316
00:12:31,130 --> 00:12:33,330
so, ronnie, I understand
you're christine's nephew.
317
00:12:33,332 --> 00:12:34,432
Yes.
318
00:12:34,434 --> 00:12:35,466
How long have you
lived here, anyway?
319
00:12:35,468 --> 00:12:37,368
Four and a half,
maybe five years.
320
00:12:37,370 --> 00:12:41,140
Okay. So, as far as experiences
go, have you had any?
321
00:12:41,142 --> 00:12:43,543
Yeah.
I was asleep one night.
322
00:12:43,545 --> 00:12:45,679
All of a sudden,
woke up gaspin' for air
323
00:12:45,681 --> 00:12:50,117
and I looked and I seen
my mom standing there.
324
00:12:50,119 --> 00:12:51,119
Okay.
So, at this point,
325
00:12:51,121 --> 00:12:52,387
your mom had passed already?
326
00:12:52,389 --> 00:12:55,558
Yeah.
Pretty much the full figure.
327
00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:57,293
Just like you're
standing right here.
328
00:12:57,295 --> 00:12:58,695
Did you think you were dreaming?
329
00:12:58,697 --> 00:13:05,170
Yeah, at first I did, but,
then, she touched me and...
330
00:13:05,172 --> 00:13:07,640
[ sigh ]
331
00:13:07,642 --> 00:13:10,977
[crying] ...She told me
everything was gonna be okay
332
00:13:10,979 --> 00:13:12,479
and that she forgave me.
333
00:13:12,481 --> 00:13:14,915
??
334
00:13:14,917 --> 00:13:17,051
what'd she forgive you
for? Do you know?
335
00:13:17,053 --> 00:13:19,687
Me and her got into a big
argument over the phone
336
00:13:19,689 --> 00:13:24,861
and I told her that
I wished she was dead.
337
00:13:24,863 --> 00:13:26,896
And, next thing I know,
338
00:13:26,898 --> 00:13:30,101
I get a phone call
saying that she was gone.
339
00:13:30,103 --> 00:13:31,602
That's the last words
you spoke with her?
340
00:13:31,604 --> 00:13:34,906
??
341
00:13:34,908 --> 00:13:36,808
your aunt and your grandmother
342
00:13:36,810 --> 00:13:38,244
both feel whatever's
in this house
343
00:13:38,246 --> 00:13:40,346
attributed
to your mom's passing.
344
00:13:40,348 --> 00:13:41,982
You have any thoughts on that?
345
00:13:41,984 --> 00:13:44,284
Honestly, I don't know.
346
00:13:44,286 --> 00:13:46,921
It has crossed my mind
multiple times.
347
00:13:46,923 --> 00:13:49,124
Okay. So, anything else
you can tell me about?
348
00:13:49,126 --> 00:13:51,394
I've heard a voice
sound like my aunt.
349
00:13:51,396 --> 00:13:52,628
[ chuckle ]
350
00:13:52,630 --> 00:13:54,131
so I walked through the house.
I was like,
351
00:13:54,133 --> 00:13:56,233
"hang on.
She's not even here."
352
00:13:56,235 --> 00:13:59,604
it actually kinda had me
trippin' a little bit.
353
00:13:59,606 --> 00:14:05,844
??
354
00:14:05,846 --> 00:14:08,381
amy:
I'm getting like a male.
355
00:14:08,383 --> 00:14:10,450
I think he's alive.
356
00:14:10,452 --> 00:14:14,388
I'm seeing all this blackness
going into his stomach.
357
00:14:14,390 --> 00:14:15,891
It hurts!
358
00:14:15,893 --> 00:14:18,460
The shadow woman
is doing this to him.
359
00:14:18,462 --> 00:14:19,662
[ suspenseful chord strikes ] aah!
[ growling ]
360
00:14:19,664 --> 00:14:21,864
??
361
00:14:21,866 --> 00:14:23,667
what kind of effect
would that have on him?
362
00:14:23,669 --> 00:14:28,206
She is influencing him,
and not in a good way.
363
00:14:28,208 --> 00:14:29,207
Meaning what?
364
00:14:29,209 --> 00:14:30,842
Possessing, controlling.
365
00:14:30,844 --> 00:14:32,845
??
366
00:14:32,847 --> 00:14:33,913
[ ominous chord strikes ]
367
00:14:33,915 --> 00:14:36,349
I see the word warning,
368
00:14:36,351 --> 00:14:39,086
like there's a warning
about him, and she's like,
369
00:14:39,088 --> 00:14:40,988
"shhhhhhh!"
370
00:14:40,990 --> 00:14:42,723
??
371
00:14:42,725 --> 00:14:44,760
so, any other experience
you can tell me about?
372
00:14:44,762 --> 00:14:47,963
A buncha rage
[mirthless chuckle] goin' on.
373
00:14:47,965 --> 00:14:49,866
Well, your aunt
and your grandmother
374
00:14:49,868 --> 00:14:51,167
told me about the rage.
375
00:14:51,169 --> 00:14:55,106
Anytime one of them
would start snappin' at me,
376
00:14:55,108 --> 00:14:56,675
I instantly snap back
'cause, I mean,
377
00:14:56,677 --> 00:14:58,443
I was raised not
to put up with nothin'.
378
00:14:58,445 --> 00:15:00,479
Are you worried
it may get violent?
379
00:15:00,481 --> 00:15:01,881
Oh, yeah.
380
00:15:01,883 --> 00:15:02,882
[ eerie music plays ]
it worries me.
381
00:15:02,884 --> 00:15:05,052
I worry about it every day.
382
00:15:05,054 --> 00:15:06,453
What do you think is goin' on,
383
00:15:06,455 --> 00:15:08,055
as far as the activity?
384
00:15:08,057 --> 00:15:09,424
Honestly, I don't know.
385
00:15:09,426 --> 00:15:13,027
But whatever it is,
it really loves anger.
386
00:15:13,029 --> 00:15:16,799
??
387
00:15:16,801 --> 00:15:21,438
amy: The shadow woman is really
focused on this living man.
388
00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:27,146
I feel like, you know,
it kinda... Like brought it on.
389
00:15:27,148 --> 00:15:29,214
Like he kinda knows
what's goin' on
390
00:15:29,216 --> 00:15:31,384
and he kinda likes it.
391
00:15:31,386 --> 00:15:33,419
Initially, she came in
392
00:15:33,421 --> 00:15:36,123
and kinda gave him
energy and strength.
393
00:15:36,125 --> 00:15:40,495
I think he felt like he had more
power and he just felt better.
394
00:15:40,497 --> 00:15:43,466
He felt more in control.
395
00:15:43,468 --> 00:15:45,468
It allows him
to get his anger out.
396
00:15:45,470 --> 00:15:48,539
But, now, I think it's gettin'
out of control, man,
397
00:15:48,541 --> 00:15:50,374
and she's consuming him...
398
00:15:50,376 --> 00:15:52,911
[ voice exhaling ]
399
00:15:52,913 --> 00:15:55,347
Takin' over his body,
like possession.
400
00:15:55,349 --> 00:15:57,583
You know, he's losin'
his damn mind!
401
00:15:57,585 --> 00:16:00,820
Bro, he's about to snap!
402
00:16:00,822 --> 00:16:02,556
This is not good.
403
00:16:02,558 --> 00:16:03,557
[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
404
00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:07,228
[ voices whisper ]
405
00:16:09,466 --> 00:16:13,603
[ voices whisper ]
406
00:16:13,605 --> 00:16:15,371
[ suspenseful music plays ]
407
00:16:15,373 --> 00:16:18,342
I just got off the phone
with a local genealogist.
408
00:16:18,344 --> 00:16:21,479
Now, she told me the original
owner of christine's property
409
00:16:21,481 --> 00:16:23,415
had it for over 50 years
410
00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:25,585
and this guy was known
for two things:
411
00:16:25,587 --> 00:16:27,587
Money and violence.
412
00:16:27,589 --> 00:16:29,423
Sounds like this could
definitely help my case.
413
00:16:29,425 --> 00:16:36,064
??
414
00:16:36,066 --> 00:16:37,265
well, diane, thanks for helping
me out
415
00:16:37,267 --> 00:16:39,168
with this case
and meeting with me.
416
00:16:39,170 --> 00:16:40,869
I mean, who was this guy
and when did he get
417
00:16:40,871 --> 00:16:42,205
to my client's property?
418
00:16:42,207 --> 00:16:44,474
His name was daniel jennings
419
00:16:44,476 --> 00:16:47,645
and, by 1870,
420
00:16:47,647 --> 00:16:51,416
he ended up owning
over 220 acres.
421
00:16:51,418 --> 00:16:53,118
Okay. So this is
a resourceful guy.
422
00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,153
I would say so.
423
00:16:54,155 --> 00:16:57,090
A lot of people,
after the civil war,
424
00:16:57,092 --> 00:16:58,157
farms were destroyed,
425
00:16:58,159 --> 00:17:00,928
so, to own land, you know,
426
00:17:00,930 --> 00:17:04,599
in the 1860s, 1870s,
that was an accomplishment.
427
00:17:04,601 --> 00:17:05,734
Okay.
428
00:17:05,736 --> 00:17:07,803
??
429
00:17:07,805 --> 00:17:10,673
amy: I'm seeing the
old ugly guy again.
430
00:17:10,675 --> 00:17:15,980
His head is way
too small for his body,
431
00:17:15,982 --> 00:17:18,016
huge stomach,
432
00:17:18,018 --> 00:17:21,320
and this really big nose
433
00:17:21,322 --> 00:17:23,857
and like really red cheeks.
434
00:17:23,859 --> 00:17:27,762
He looks like
a dickens character.
435
00:17:27,764 --> 00:17:31,332
I'd put him in the 1890s
to the 1920s?
436
00:17:31,334 --> 00:17:34,936
And he's super rich!
437
00:17:34,938 --> 00:17:36,005
You mentioned, on the phone,
438
00:17:36,007 --> 00:17:38,074
that this guy jennings
had a violent streak.
439
00:17:38,076 --> 00:17:40,009
I mean, what were
you talkin' about?
440
00:17:40,011 --> 00:17:42,212
Yeah, it seems he was
kind of quick to anger
441
00:17:42,214 --> 00:17:44,883
and so settled
disputes violently,
442
00:17:44,885 --> 00:17:46,818
and we have a couple
of examples of that.
443
00:17:46,820 --> 00:17:47,819
Let's talk about 'em.
444
00:17:47,821 --> 00:17:50,222
In August 1874,
445
00:17:50,224 --> 00:17:53,794
a young black man wandered
onto jennings' property
446
00:17:53,796 --> 00:17:55,495
and his name was noah pailin.
447
00:17:55,497 --> 00:17:57,632
The young man
was seeking some food,
448
00:17:57,634 --> 00:18:00,868
so jennings provided him
with some apples.
449
00:18:00,870 --> 00:18:02,004
Okay.
So what happened?
450
00:18:02,006 --> 00:18:03,939
Well, daniel turns around,
451
00:18:03,941 --> 00:18:06,643
he demands that pailin
leave the property.
452
00:18:06,645 --> 00:18:07,844
Pailin doesn't.
453
00:18:07,846 --> 00:18:09,079
He walks into his house.
454
00:18:09,081 --> 00:18:11,215
He gets his gun.
He comes out.
455
00:18:11,217 --> 00:18:12,650
Pailin is still there.
456
00:18:12,652 --> 00:18:15,020
And he shoots him.
457
00:18:15,022 --> 00:18:16,888
Pailin died the very next day.
458
00:18:16,890 --> 00:18:18,858
So, now, he murdered a
guy on his own property.
459
00:18:18,860 --> 00:18:19,959
Did he get charged with it?
460
00:18:19,961 --> 00:18:21,728
Yes, he was charged with murder.
461
00:18:21,730 --> 00:18:25,632
There was a trial held
in February of 1875
462
00:18:25,634 --> 00:18:27,435
and he was found not guilty.
463
00:18:27,437 --> 00:18:28,636
Okay.
464
00:18:28,638 --> 00:18:30,940
You mentioned there were
two stories of violence
465
00:18:30,942 --> 00:18:32,508
with this guy.
What was the other one?
466
00:18:32,510 --> 00:18:34,510
Daniel jennings and his family
467
00:18:34,512 --> 00:18:38,081
had a rivalry with a family
called mcpherson.
468
00:18:38,083 --> 00:18:40,885
On January 12, 1905,
469
00:18:40,887 --> 00:18:43,589
one of daniel's sons
and a mcpherson boy
470
00:18:43,591 --> 00:18:44,857
had a disagreement.
471
00:18:44,859 --> 00:18:46,925
- Okay.
- And, because of that,
472
00:18:46,927 --> 00:18:52,333
daniel set up to have a brawl
with the mcpherson clan
473
00:18:52,335 --> 00:18:54,902
at a location about a mile
from your client's house.
474
00:18:54,904 --> 00:18:56,004
Okay.
So what happened?
475
00:18:56,006 --> 00:18:57,172
It got bloody.
476
00:18:57,174 --> 00:18:58,774
Someone had a throat slashed.
477
00:18:58,776 --> 00:19:01,244
Somebody had an ear cut off.
478
00:19:01,246 --> 00:19:02,678
How old is this guy,
at this point?
479
00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,381
Daniel is in his later 60s.
480
00:19:04,383 --> 00:19:06,283
This guy's a maniac.
I mean, he's in his 60s
481
00:19:06,285 --> 00:19:07,951
and he's out there
fightin' like a kid.
482
00:19:07,953 --> 00:19:11,456
He did not back down at what
he viewed as an insult.
483
00:19:11,458 --> 00:19:15,294
??
484
00:19:15,296 --> 00:19:18,064
amy:
I'm seeing two dead boys.
485
00:19:18,066 --> 00:19:20,033
First one is a white male.
486
00:19:20,035 --> 00:19:24,272
He's probably like
maybe 17 years old.
487
00:19:24,274 --> 00:19:26,942
There was one gravestone
in the grass.
488
00:19:26,944 --> 00:19:28,610
[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
489
00:19:28,612 --> 00:19:30,280
you know, some kind of nickname.
490
00:19:30,282 --> 00:19:31,915
I just saw "mc."
491
00:19:31,917 --> 00:19:34,652
it's probably around the 1930s?
492
00:19:34,654 --> 00:19:38,423
The two boys might be
from two different time periods.
493
00:19:38,425 --> 00:19:42,361
And then, the other boy,
he's black.
494
00:19:42,363 --> 00:19:45,498
They're both very quiet
495
00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:48,869
and just kind of like
watching everything.
496
00:19:48,871 --> 00:19:51,606
??
497
00:19:51,608 --> 00:19:53,141
that old ugly guy?
498
00:19:53,143 --> 00:19:56,345
He's aware of the two dead boys
and he hates them.
499
00:19:56,347 --> 00:20:00,083
He calls them trash
that needs to be put out.
500
00:20:00,085 --> 00:20:03,488
I think he would probably kill
these two other boys, somehow.
501
00:20:03,490 --> 00:20:05,556
[ suspenseful chord strikes,
music climbs ]
502
00:20:05,558 --> 00:20:07,326
[ suspenseful chords strike ]
503
00:20:07,328 --> 00:20:09,962
okay.
So this guy kills a man,
504
00:20:09,964 --> 00:20:11,431
organizes a gang fight
505
00:20:11,433 --> 00:20:13,666
where people get slashed
and lose ears.
506
00:20:13,668 --> 00:20:14,701
Say that money and violence
507
00:20:14,703 --> 00:20:15,703
is part of this guy's life
508
00:20:15,705 --> 00:20:17,438
is an understatement.
509
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:18,772
Whatever happened to this guy?
510
00:20:18,774 --> 00:20:21,676
Basically, he lived out the rest
of his life on the farm.
511
00:20:21,678 --> 00:20:24,580
He didn't die until 1922.
512
00:20:24,582 --> 00:20:27,483
He died of heart disease
when he was 88 years old
513
00:20:27,485 --> 00:20:30,087
and here's
his death certificate.
514
00:20:30,089 --> 00:20:31,154
My mother used to say
515
00:20:31,156 --> 00:20:32,390
that only the good die young.
516
00:20:32,392 --> 00:20:34,626
??
517
00:20:34,628 --> 00:20:38,097
amy: This ugly guy hates
everyone on this land.
518
00:20:38,099 --> 00:20:39,398
How old is this guy?
519
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,235
Much older.
I'd say like probably 83.
520
00:20:42,237 --> 00:20:43,670
Any idea how he died?
521
00:20:43,672 --> 00:20:46,274
I think natural causes.
522
00:20:46,276 --> 00:20:47,308
He's a nightmare.
523
00:20:47,310 --> 00:20:48,442
[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
524
00:20:48,444 --> 00:20:50,445
??
525
00:20:50,447 --> 00:20:53,516
so, I'm driving over to meet
a local historian.
526
00:20:53,518 --> 00:20:55,852
He says he found a story
of a mother and her child
527
00:20:55,854 --> 00:20:58,022
who died tragically right
across the street
528
00:20:58,024 --> 00:20:59,924
from christine's property.
529
00:20:59,926 --> 00:21:01,158
He says it's a story
530
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,561
I'm definitely gonna
wanna know about.
531
00:21:02,563 --> 00:21:04,195
??
532
00:21:04,197 --> 00:21:05,330
[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
533
00:21:05,332 --> 00:21:09,937
??
534
00:21:09,939 --> 00:21:11,605
so, the death you came across
535
00:21:11,607 --> 00:21:12,606
near my client's property,
536
00:21:12,608 --> 00:21:14,175
what's the story with that?
537
00:21:14,177 --> 00:21:15,877
So, in the 1920s and '30s,
538
00:21:15,879 --> 00:21:19,248
there was a series of diphtheria
outbreaks in the area.
539
00:21:19,250 --> 00:21:21,617
What does that have to do
with these two deaths?
540
00:21:21,619 --> 00:21:23,486
In July 1935,
541
00:21:23,488 --> 00:21:26,022
a local doctor was giving
vaccinations at the church
542
00:21:26,024 --> 00:21:28,092
less than 1,000 feet
from the client's property.
543
00:21:28,094 --> 00:21:29,126
Okay.
So what happened?
544
00:21:29,128 --> 00:21:31,496
A local woman,
named lona hurdle,
545
00:21:31,498 --> 00:21:33,599
brought her young daughter
to that clinic
546
00:21:33,601 --> 00:21:36,002
and got the vaccination shot.
547
00:21:36,004 --> 00:21:39,406
This is lona
and her husband, joe;
548
00:21:39,408 --> 00:21:41,976
and their little daughter doris.
549
00:21:41,978 --> 00:21:43,410
She's only 18 months old.
550
00:21:43,412 --> 00:21:44,713
Okay.
So what happened?
551
00:21:44,715 --> 00:21:47,349
Unfortunately, shortly
after receiving the vaccine,
552
00:21:47,351 --> 00:21:49,352
the child fell seriously ill
553
00:21:49,354 --> 00:21:51,654
and, later that evening,
she dies.
554
00:21:51,656 --> 00:21:53,256
I mean, the mother must've
been out of her mind.
555
00:21:53,258 --> 00:21:54,358
She was devastated.
556
00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:56,327
I mean, she actually believed
557
00:21:56,329 --> 00:21:58,529
that she had caused
her own daughter's death.
558
00:21:58,531 --> 00:22:01,400
So she finds a toxic
chemical in the house
559
00:22:01,402 --> 00:22:03,369
and she commits suicide.
560
00:22:03,371 --> 00:22:04,804
You're kiddin' me.
561
00:22:04,806 --> 00:22:06,973
There's her death certificate.
562
00:22:06,975 --> 00:22:09,210
And here's the kicker
to the whole story.
563
00:22:09,212 --> 00:22:11,946
The family learned,
after lona's death,
564
00:22:11,948 --> 00:22:13,448
that the daughter, doris,
565
00:22:13,450 --> 00:22:15,651
died from an intestinal disease.
566
00:22:15,653 --> 00:22:17,220
??
567
00:22:17,222 --> 00:22:18,454
you gotta be kiddin' me.
568
00:22:18,456 --> 00:22:20,056
So this kid didn't die
from the vaccine
569
00:22:20,058 --> 00:22:22,126
and the mother committed
suicide over it?
570
00:22:22,128 --> 00:22:23,527
What a shame.
This is one
571
00:22:23,529 --> 00:22:24,995
of the most tragic
stories I've heard.
572
00:22:24,997 --> 00:22:26,131
It is very tragic.
573
00:22:26,133 --> 00:22:29,602
??
574
00:22:29,604 --> 00:22:32,638
amy: The shadow woman
won't tell me how she died.
575
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,142
You know, all she said was
like she died brutally
576
00:22:35,144 --> 00:22:37,144
and I'm like,
"well, that must be murder."
577
00:22:37,146 --> 00:22:39,647
and she's like,
"it was illness."
578
00:22:39,649 --> 00:22:41,849
probably a very long time ago.
579
00:22:41,851 --> 00:22:45,754
Probably when this was
I'm assuming like
580
00:22:45,756 --> 00:22:48,858
farmland or something.
581
00:22:48,860 --> 00:22:50,628
Seems like she killed
herself here.
582
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:51,929
[ ominous chord strikes ]
583
00:22:51,931 --> 00:22:53,664
[ laughter ]
584
00:22:53,666 --> 00:22:55,000
??
585
00:22:55,002 --> 00:22:56,001
[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
586
00:22:56,003 --> 00:23:00,940
[ voices whisper ]
587
00:23:00,942 --> 00:23:02,975
for more information
about the show,
588
00:23:02,977 --> 00:23:04,545
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to investigate
589
00:23:04,547 --> 00:23:06,380
unexplained activity
in your home...
590
00:23:06,382 --> 00:23:09,884
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591
00:23:09,886 --> 00:23:11,286
Click on "help me,
dead files!"
592
00:23:11,288 --> 00:23:13,089
to submit your story,
and we'll help if we can.
593
00:23:15,226 --> 00:23:19,096
[ voices whisper ]
594
00:23:19,098 --> 00:23:20,364
[ suspenseful music plays ]
595
00:23:20,366 --> 00:23:22,033
so far, I've got
a family suffering
596
00:23:22,035 --> 00:23:24,503
from physical attacks
and violent mood swings
597
00:23:24,505 --> 00:23:27,406
on a property where one man
was shot to death
598
00:23:27,408 --> 00:23:29,843
and a grieving mother
killed herself,
599
00:23:29,845 --> 00:23:31,544
but, I wanna see
if there's anything else.
600
00:23:31,546 --> 00:23:32,980
??
601
00:23:32,982 --> 00:23:36,985
diggin' through old records,
I discover a homicide from 1995.
602
00:23:36,987 --> 00:23:39,087
Turns out, it happened
just 3,000 feet
603
00:23:39,089 --> 00:23:40,088
from christine's house.
604
00:23:40,090 --> 00:23:42,458
??
605
00:23:42,460 --> 00:23:45,996
so, I asked a local pi to look
into this homicide for me.
606
00:23:45,998 --> 00:23:49,133
Now, he says it was
a love triangle gone wrong
607
00:23:49,135 --> 00:23:50,368
and the victim?
608
00:23:50,370 --> 00:23:51,603
Never saw it coming.
609
00:23:51,605 --> 00:23:52,804
[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
610
00:23:52,806 --> 00:23:57,443
??
611
00:23:57,445 --> 00:23:58,578
so, john, I appreciate you
612
00:23:58,580 --> 00:24:00,113
helping me out with this case.
613
00:24:00,115 --> 00:24:01,715
What do we know
about this victim?
614
00:24:01,717 --> 00:24:03,584
The victim is named
glenn guarino.
615
00:24:03,586 --> 00:24:05,920
He's a 46-year-old
vietnam veteran
616
00:24:05,922 --> 00:24:08,056
and a recipient
of the purple heart.
617
00:24:08,058 --> 00:24:09,057
Okay. So,
618
00:24:09,059 --> 00:24:10,493
this guy live alone?
Was he married?
619
00:24:10,495 --> 00:24:12,862
So he was married.
His wife's name was deborah.
620
00:24:12,864 --> 00:24:14,598
They had a daughter together
621
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,700
and they lived
just a few thousand feet
622
00:24:16,702 --> 00:24:18,135
from your client's property.
623
00:24:18,137 --> 00:24:19,404
Alright.
What happened?
624
00:24:19,406 --> 00:24:23,709
On December 5th of 1995,
glenn guarino went missing.
625
00:24:23,711 --> 00:24:26,445
He just vanished
and, at the time,
626
00:24:26,447 --> 00:24:29,616
his wife, deborah,
was tellin' friends and family
627
00:24:29,618 --> 00:24:32,287
that he had
a reoccurrence of ptsd
628
00:24:32,289 --> 00:24:33,354
and had been admitted
629
00:24:33,356 --> 00:24:35,023
into a mental hospital
in new jersey.
630
00:24:35,025 --> 00:24:36,525
The suspicious thing, though,
631
00:24:36,527 --> 00:24:38,928
was that,
when family checked in,
632
00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:40,864
they couldn't find
any record of him being
633
00:24:40,866 --> 00:24:42,866
in any hospital in new jersey.
634
00:24:42,868 --> 00:24:44,402
Alright. So, now,
the family can't find him
635
00:24:44,404 --> 00:24:46,103
up in jersey.
What do they do?
636
00:24:46,105 --> 00:24:48,674
Right.
So, in October of 1996,
637
00:24:48,676 --> 00:24:51,376
his mom filed a formal
missing persons report
638
00:24:51,378 --> 00:24:52,912
down here in north carolina
639
00:24:52,914 --> 00:24:55,281
and basically ignites
the investigation
640
00:24:55,283 --> 00:24:56,684
into looking for glenn.
641
00:24:56,686 --> 00:24:58,719
Okay. So, now, where do
the cops go from here?
642
00:24:58,721 --> 00:25:00,187
They get a tip that deborah had
643
00:25:00,189 --> 00:25:03,225
her 36-year-old boyfriend,
perry woltz,
644
00:25:03,227 --> 00:25:06,696
move into the house not long
after glenn went missing.
645
00:25:06,698 --> 00:25:09,066
Okay. So she's sharp
as a marble, basically.
646
00:25:09,068 --> 00:25:10,901
They're not even divorced
or anything, but,
647
00:25:10,903 --> 00:25:12,135
this guy's livin' with her?
648
00:25:12,137 --> 00:25:14,038
They seized on that opportunity
649
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,407
to go out and interview perry.
650
00:25:16,409 --> 00:25:18,210
Okay. So, now, they pick up
perry, bring him back,
651
00:25:18,212 --> 00:25:19,945
put him in the box,
and interrogate him?
652
00:25:19,947 --> 00:25:21,080
They do.
653
00:25:21,082 --> 00:25:23,750
So perry tells
the investigators that,
654
00:25:23,752 --> 00:25:24,751
in the middle of the night,
655
00:25:24,753 --> 00:25:26,087
deborah shot glenn
656
00:25:26,089 --> 00:25:28,155
in the temple while he slept.
657
00:25:28,157 --> 00:25:31,293
She then called perry over
to help dispose of the body
658
00:25:31,295 --> 00:25:33,262
and the two of them buried him
659
00:25:33,264 --> 00:25:35,531
in the backyard
underneath a fish pond.
660
00:25:35,533 --> 00:25:38,134
However, prior to burying him,
661
00:25:38,136 --> 00:25:41,071
deborah fired a second shot
into her husband's head,
662
00:25:41,073 --> 00:25:42,540
to make sure that he was dead.
663
00:25:42,542 --> 00:25:44,175
Here's the autopsy report.
664
00:25:44,177 --> 00:25:45,710
??
665
00:25:45,712 --> 00:25:48,114
alright. So I assume they
make an arrest after that.
666
00:25:48,116 --> 00:25:49,782
Right.
So both perry and deborah
667
00:25:49,784 --> 00:25:52,619
were arrested
on February 5, 1997.
668
00:25:52,621 --> 00:25:55,123
Deborah pled not guilty,
but it took the jury
669
00:25:55,125 --> 00:25:58,693
only 45 minutes to convict
her of first-degree murder
670
00:25:58,695 --> 00:26:00,663
and sentence her
to life in prison
671
00:26:00,665 --> 00:26:02,631
without the possibility
of parole.
672
00:26:02,633 --> 00:26:03,767
What about perry?
673
00:26:03,769 --> 00:26:05,502
Perry made a deal
with the prosecutors
674
00:26:05,504 --> 00:26:07,404
and he testified against deborah
675
00:26:07,406 --> 00:26:09,173
and he was convicted
of second-degree murder
676
00:26:09,175 --> 00:26:11,108
and he received
a much lighter sentence.
677
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:12,377
Now, what about her?
678
00:26:12,379 --> 00:26:14,613
I mean, any motive?
679
00:26:14,615 --> 00:26:15,981
Nobody knows, to this day,
680
00:26:15,983 --> 00:26:17,984
why she snapped
and killed her husband.
681
00:26:17,986 --> 00:26:21,956
??
682
00:26:21,958 --> 00:26:24,793
amy: The shadow woman
goes everywhere.
683
00:26:24,795 --> 00:26:27,195
[ gasping ]
684
00:26:27,197 --> 00:26:28,229
she definitely roams.
685
00:26:28,231 --> 00:26:30,633
She can go and bother people.
686
00:26:30,635 --> 00:26:33,603
??
687
00:26:33,605 --> 00:26:38,376
I wanna say she is
influencing a large area.
688
00:26:38,378 --> 00:26:40,078
This is bad.
689
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,847
She feels anger.
690
00:26:41,849 --> 00:26:45,618
She's influencing people,
making them angry and violent.
691
00:26:45,620 --> 00:26:46,786
[ suspenseful music climbs ]
yeah, it's a lot.
692
00:26:46,788 --> 00:26:55,130
??
693
00:26:55,132 --> 00:26:57,599
I saw a lot of disturbing
things on my walk,
694
00:26:57,601 --> 00:27:00,036
but two concerned me the most.
695
00:27:00,038 --> 00:27:03,007
First, the woman
who overdosed on drugs.
696
00:27:03,009 --> 00:27:04,541
??
697
00:27:04,543 --> 00:27:06,945
she was an older lady.
698
00:27:06,947 --> 00:27:13,119
She had one of those kinda
perms and smaller eyes.
699
00:27:13,121 --> 00:27:15,022
Neck was thinner.
700
00:27:15,024 --> 00:27:17,190
Okay.
701
00:27:17,192 --> 00:27:21,629
Next, I describe the shadow
woman attacking the living male.
702
00:27:21,631 --> 00:27:25,034
He was at the end of his bed
703
00:27:25,036 --> 00:27:30,473
and he had like a black hole
opened into his stomach.
704
00:27:30,475 --> 00:27:35,112
This dead chick,
she goes into him there.
705
00:27:35,114 --> 00:27:43,589
??
706
00:27:43,591 --> 00:27:46,427
amy, was this what you saw?
707
00:27:46,429 --> 00:27:47,795
Yes.
708
00:27:47,797 --> 00:27:48,763
[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
709
00:27:48,765 --> 00:27:52,500
[ voices whisper ]
710
00:27:54,872 --> 00:27:58,875
[ voices whisper ]
711
00:27:58,877 --> 00:28:01,946
[ suspenseful music plays ]
712
00:28:01,948 --> 00:28:07,920
??
713
00:28:07,922 --> 00:28:10,857
steve: Now that amy and I have
completed our investigations,
714
00:28:10,859 --> 00:28:13,126
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
715
00:28:13,128 --> 00:28:16,397
and our clients
for the first time.
716
00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:20,102
So, amy, this is christine
and her mother, barbara.
717
00:28:20,104 --> 00:28:22,238
They live here with
christine's nephew ronnie.
718
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,373
That's him in the middle
right here.
719
00:28:24,375 --> 00:28:26,477
There's been activity
here for years,
720
00:28:26,479 --> 00:28:29,279
but things have gotten so bad
that no one can deny
721
00:28:29,281 --> 00:28:31,616
there's something here
and it's not good.
722
00:28:31,618 --> 00:28:33,852
These two ladies are counting
on you to fix it
723
00:28:33,854 --> 00:28:35,788
before somebody gets killed.
724
00:28:35,790 --> 00:28:39,025
So, unless amy's got
some questions for you guys,
725
00:28:39,027 --> 00:28:40,861
I'll ask her to describe
her walk for us.
726
00:28:40,863 --> 00:28:45,433
??
727
00:28:45,435 --> 00:28:48,604
the first person I encountered
was a dead woman.
728
00:28:48,606 --> 00:28:51,307
She really didn't want us there.
729
00:28:51,309 --> 00:28:55,446
I think this deceased woman
lived here, at some point.
730
00:28:55,448 --> 00:28:58,149
She was pretty petite,
average weight.
731
00:28:58,151 --> 00:29:01,086
To me, she looked like
to be in her early 60s.
732
00:29:01,088 --> 00:29:04,323
So I kinda feel like
she's a more recent death,
733
00:29:04,325 --> 00:29:06,592
within the last 5 to 10 years.
734
00:29:06,594 --> 00:29:07,627
Wow.
735
00:29:07,629 --> 00:29:10,063
So, what are we ladies thinkin'?
736
00:29:10,065 --> 00:29:11,398
Same thing I'm thinkin'?
737
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,967
Yeah.
738
00:29:12,969 --> 00:29:15,503
Christine's sister stephanie
lived here for five years,
739
00:29:15,505 --> 00:29:18,340
but she died
a tragic death in 2012.
740
00:29:18,342 --> 00:29:19,742
Oh!
741
00:29:19,744 --> 00:29:23,446
She passed away
from an overdose.
742
00:29:23,448 --> 00:29:24,514
Really?!
743
00:29:24,516 --> 00:29:25,750
- [softly] yeah.
- Oh, wow!
744
00:29:25,752 --> 00:29:27,618
I tried to do cpr,
745
00:29:27,620 --> 00:29:29,988
but, she passed away
at the house.
746
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:31,290
How old was she, though?
747
00:29:31,292 --> 00:29:32,958
Forty-eight when she died.
748
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,429
Maybe she looks older
because of the drugs?
749
00:29:36,431 --> 00:29:40,201
I have a picture of her,
taken right before she passed.
750
00:29:40,203 --> 00:29:42,837
So do you think stephanie
could be the woman you saw?
751
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:46,008
Well, I had a sketch done
of the person that I saw.
752
00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:55,853
??
753
00:29:55,855 --> 00:29:57,188
oh, my gosh.
754
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:58,256
[ suspenseful chord strikes ]
755
00:29:58,258 --> 00:29:59,625
it looks just like her.
756
00:29:59,627 --> 00:30:03,597
Looks like her
when she would be older.
757
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,767
Explain to amy why
you got sober, though.
758
00:30:06,769 --> 00:30:09,470
I'm a recovering addict.
759
00:30:09,472 --> 00:30:13,709
I was tired and I
wanted a new life,
760
00:30:13,711 --> 00:30:16,145
so I changed.
761
00:30:16,147 --> 00:30:17,247
Okay.
762
00:30:17,249 --> 00:30:18,581
Okay.
763
00:30:18,583 --> 00:30:21,352
Now, you told me you felt,
as soon as you got sober,
764
00:30:21,354 --> 00:30:23,187
that's when things started
to get crazy here.
765
00:30:23,189 --> 00:30:24,556
Yes.
766
00:30:24,558 --> 00:30:26,091
Does that make any sense to you?
767
00:30:26,093 --> 00:30:27,158
Yes.
768
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,695
When you get sober,
awareness level
769
00:30:29,697 --> 00:30:33,433
will be much more heightened.
770
00:30:33,435 --> 00:30:34,768
That's crazy.
771
00:30:34,770 --> 00:30:37,605
??
772
00:30:37,607 --> 00:30:43,312
so, the next dead person that I
encountered was a deceased male.
773
00:30:43,314 --> 00:30:45,048
I thought maybe you'd see him.
774
00:30:45,050 --> 00:30:48,819
He's very unattractive.
775
00:30:48,821 --> 00:30:51,822
So, however he presents,
it would be unpleasant.
776
00:30:51,824 --> 00:30:55,327
He's not a good person,
very aggressive,
777
00:30:55,329 --> 00:30:58,931
a lot of hate,
and he can get physical.
778
00:30:58,933 --> 00:31:01,034
Now, you've had some
physical stuff happen
779
00:31:01,036 --> 00:31:02,770
to you here.
780
00:31:02,772 --> 00:31:03,937
Yes.
781
00:31:03,939 --> 00:31:05,439
Tell her about the hole.
782
00:31:05,441 --> 00:31:06,841
I feel like
that I'm gettin' pushed
783
00:31:06,843 --> 00:31:08,143
down into my bedroom.
784
00:31:08,145 --> 00:31:10,513
Somebody's taking both
of their hands
785
00:31:10,515 --> 00:31:11,881
and pushing me.
786
00:31:11,883 --> 00:31:13,850
Could this guy do
something like this?
787
00:31:13,852 --> 00:31:15,952
Yeah.
788
00:31:15,954 --> 00:31:17,054
Did you get anything
789
00:31:17,056 --> 00:31:18,656
on who he might've
been when he was alive?
790
00:31:18,658 --> 00:31:21,759
He definitely owned this place
791
00:31:21,761 --> 00:31:24,430
and, really, the whole area.
792
00:31:24,432 --> 00:31:28,001
He was all about money
and power when he was alive.
793
00:31:28,003 --> 00:31:32,239
The way he was presenting to me
would be between 1890 and 1920s.
794
00:31:32,241 --> 00:31:35,410
He did state that he died
from natural causes
795
00:31:35,412 --> 00:31:39,649
and that he was around,
I think, 83 when he died.
796
00:31:39,651 --> 00:31:41,651
So a lot of things amy
was saying reminded me
797
00:31:41,653 --> 00:31:44,621
of a guy I came across
during my investigation.
798
00:31:44,623 --> 00:31:46,323
And his name was daniel jennings
799
00:31:46,325 --> 00:31:49,260
and he was the original
owner of your property.
800
00:31:49,262 --> 00:31:52,298
In fact, he owned over
200 acres of property,
801
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:55,134
pretty much
the entire neighborhood.
802
00:31:55,136 --> 00:31:58,138
Now, he moved onto the
property in 1870.
803
00:31:58,140 --> 00:31:59,606
You said the guy was aggressive.
804
00:31:59,608 --> 00:32:00,808
The expert I spoke to said
805
00:32:00,810 --> 00:32:03,644
jennings was known to be
a real violent guy.
806
00:32:03,646 --> 00:32:06,382
Now, in 1874, jennings killed
a young black guy
807
00:32:06,384 --> 00:32:08,016
that refused
to get off his property.
808
00:32:08,018 --> 00:32:09,419
Oh, ****
809
00:32:09,421 --> 00:32:10,854
wow.
810
00:32:10,856 --> 00:32:13,791
But, he wound up gettin'
acquitted of it by a jury.
811
00:32:13,793 --> 00:32:15,526
Of course he did.
812
00:32:15,528 --> 00:32:19,998
Now, he died on the property
of heart disease in 1922,
813
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,300
at the age of 84.
814
00:32:21,302 --> 00:32:22,368
Mm. Okay.
815
00:32:22,370 --> 00:32:23,903
So, is it possible
that jennings could be
816
00:32:23,905 --> 00:32:25,104
the guy that you're
talkin' about?
817
00:32:25,106 --> 00:32:26,206
Yeah.
818
00:32:26,208 --> 00:32:29,076
??
819
00:32:29,078 --> 00:32:31,780
so, what else did you encounter?
820
00:32:31,782 --> 00:32:34,550
The dead person
I'm most concerned about
821
00:32:34,552 --> 00:32:38,789
was this woman
that I encountered.
822
00:32:38,791 --> 00:32:42,460
She appears as a shadow person.
823
00:32:42,462 --> 00:32:44,395
She lived on the land,
at some point.
824
00:32:44,397 --> 00:32:46,598
It was back when
the area was just,
825
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,201
I think, farmland
and really tall grass.
826
00:32:49,203 --> 00:32:52,906
The only thing that she said was
that she died a brutal death.
827
00:32:52,908 --> 00:32:55,609
I take that as meaning a murder,
828
00:32:55,611 --> 00:32:59,381
but then she clarified later
that it was a horrible illness.
829
00:32:59,383 --> 00:33:01,983
Alright. That's not
much to go on,
830
00:33:01,985 --> 00:33:03,853
but I got a hunch on something.
831
00:33:03,855 --> 00:33:07,157
Back in the 1930s, there was
a woman named lonna hurdle.
832
00:33:07,159 --> 00:33:09,426
She lived about 1,000 feet
from here.
833
00:33:09,428 --> 00:33:13,431
I got a couple of photos
of lonna,
834
00:33:13,433 --> 00:33:15,568
and then this is her
with her husband.
835
00:33:15,570 --> 00:33:19,104
In 1935, lonna took
her daughter, doris,
836
00:33:19,106 --> 00:33:21,942
to a church right across
the street from here
837
00:33:21,944 --> 00:33:24,278
to get her a vaccine
for diphtheria.
838
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,215
So now a few hours later,
young girl got very sick,
839
00:33:27,217 --> 00:33:29,852
went into convulsions,
and she died.
840
00:33:29,854 --> 00:33:31,153
Lonna was devastated.
841
00:33:31,155 --> 00:33:33,223
She thought she killed
her daughter, basically,
842
00:33:33,225 --> 00:33:34,924
by getting her the vaccination.
843
00:33:34,926 --> 00:33:36,527
So the grief was too much
for her,
844
00:33:36,529 --> 00:33:39,797
so she swallowed
a bunch of poison.
845
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:41,433
Here's the crazy part.
846
00:33:41,435 --> 00:33:43,602
The kid did not die
from the vaccination.
847
00:33:43,604 --> 00:33:46,439
The kid died from
an intestinal illness.
848
00:33:46,441 --> 00:33:51,378
So she wound up killing herself
basically for no reason.
849
00:33:51,380 --> 00:33:53,781
So you said you were concerned
about this woman.
850
00:33:53,783 --> 00:33:55,850
Why is that?
What could she do to them?
851
00:33:55,852 --> 00:33:59,154
Amy: I do feel
that you would see her.
852
00:33:59,156 --> 00:34:04,594
I saw her as a shadow
with longer hair.
853
00:34:04,596 --> 00:34:08,699
Wow. I saw a shadow go by from
the living room to the kitchen.
854
00:34:08,701 --> 00:34:09,667
Mm-hmm.
855
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:12,070
And she had long hair.
856
00:34:12,072 --> 00:34:14,407
How about that shadowy dress
thing you told me about?
857
00:34:14,409 --> 00:34:17,777
Christine: At the bottom of the
floor, I'll see what looks like
858
00:34:17,779 --> 00:34:21,448
a ragged dress that's been torn.
859
00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:23,485
I can feel that it's feminine.
860
00:34:23,487 --> 00:34:26,688
Interesting.
She likes corners in particular.
861
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:28,491
She likes to stare
at the living,
862
00:34:28,493 --> 00:34:31,295
so I think you would
feel her watching you.
863
00:34:31,297 --> 00:34:34,731
That sure rings a bell,
the feeling of being watched.
864
00:34:34,733 --> 00:34:38,503
She was behind me,
and she touched me
865
00:34:38,505 --> 00:34:43,108
with her finger on my shoulder,
and I felt ice-cold.
866
00:34:43,110 --> 00:34:46,680
So I would think that
the living would feel that.
867
00:34:46,682 --> 00:34:49,216
Sometimes, when I'm in bed,
868
00:34:49,218 --> 00:34:51,352
it feels like
there's a cold blanket
869
00:34:51,354 --> 00:34:53,722
that's wrapped
all the way around me,
870
00:34:53,724 --> 00:34:55,657
and it's freezing cold.
871
00:34:55,659 --> 00:34:58,561
So cold that my teeth
start chattering
872
00:34:58,563 --> 00:35:01,332
and my body starts shaking.
873
00:35:01,334 --> 00:35:05,070
One of the ways that she can
affect living people
874
00:35:05,072 --> 00:35:08,708
is by manipulating
their thoughts.
875
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:11,677
She reads minds.
876
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:14,915
She can also display
what freaks you out.
877
00:35:14,917 --> 00:35:20,888
She can make you feel
really bad.
878
00:35:20,890 --> 00:35:25,160
Mind games is what I call it,
879
00:35:25,162 --> 00:35:27,497
ups and downs with depression,
880
00:35:27,499 --> 00:35:30,101
anxiety, anger, fear.
881
00:35:30,103 --> 00:35:33,404
Mm-hmm.
882
00:35:33,406 --> 00:35:38,144
??
883
00:35:38,146 --> 00:35:42,883
??
884
00:35:42,885 --> 00:35:46,721
people that I've lost
in the past,
885
00:35:46,723 --> 00:35:48,923
that I love dearly,
886
00:35:48,925 --> 00:35:54,296
they come back in my dreams
all the time.
887
00:35:54,298 --> 00:35:58,235
All my dreams are dead people.
888
00:35:58,237 --> 00:36:00,271
I get angry at nothing.
889
00:36:00,273 --> 00:36:01,773
The other day, she and I
were having
890
00:36:01,775 --> 00:36:03,575
an argument in the kitchen,
891
00:36:03,577 --> 00:36:05,644
and I was screaming
and hollering at her
892
00:36:05,646 --> 00:36:06,845
and she was screaming
and hollering at me
893
00:36:06,847 --> 00:36:09,282
and she said
my eyes turned yellow.
894
00:36:09,284 --> 00:36:11,251
I get angry at ronnie.
895
00:36:11,253 --> 00:36:13,954
And he told me he gets
the same kind of mood,
896
00:36:13,956 --> 00:36:17,793
but it's a reaction, obviously,
to what's going on in the house.
897
00:36:17,795 --> 00:36:20,329
He gets angry really quick.
898
00:36:20,331 --> 00:36:23,232
I think that this dead female
899
00:36:23,234 --> 00:36:28,540
is focused on a male
in the house.
900
00:36:28,542 --> 00:36:30,008
Oh.
It's got to be ronnie.
901
00:36:30,010 --> 00:36:33,012
He's the only male in the house.
902
00:36:33,014 --> 00:36:36,315
I'm gonna show you a sketch
of what I saw.
903
00:36:36,317 --> 00:36:41,055
??
904
00:36:41,057 --> 00:36:45,761
??
905
00:36:45,763 --> 00:36:49,031
the hell is this?
906
00:36:49,033 --> 00:36:51,034
Take a look at that.
907
00:36:51,036 --> 00:36:52,535
Oh, my god.
908
00:36:52,537 --> 00:36:54,538
Oh, wow.
909
00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:57,374
??
910
00:37:00,881 --> 00:37:04,584
she's going into his stomach,
and it hurts.
911
00:37:04,586 --> 00:37:07,554
Oh, gosh.
He's got stomach problems.
912
00:37:07,556 --> 00:37:10,892
Alright. So why is this woman
picking on him?
913
00:37:10,894 --> 00:37:14,229
She's basically trying
to possess him.
914
00:37:14,231 --> 00:37:15,798
Definitely felt powerless,
915
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,933
and he has a lot of anger
916
00:37:17,935 --> 00:37:21,037
that has been bottled up
for a long time,
917
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:25,042
and she was making him feel
better about all of that,
918
00:37:25,044 --> 00:37:26,711
and he liked that.
919
00:37:26,713 --> 00:37:29,581
And I don't know,
now it's out of control.
920
00:37:29,583 --> 00:37:33,686
What I saw specifically
was him just snapping.
921
00:37:33,688 --> 00:37:35,723
I've never gotten anything
like that before
922
00:37:35,725 --> 00:37:37,625
in any case
that we've ever done.
923
00:37:37,627 --> 00:37:38,859
Oh, my god.
924
00:37:38,861 --> 00:37:41,163
The other thing that's happening
925
00:37:41,165 --> 00:37:45,101
is that she is a direct threat
to both of you.
926
00:37:45,103 --> 00:37:47,570
She can slowly drain your energy
927
00:37:47,572 --> 00:37:51,542
to the point where you develop
some type of terminal illness.
928
00:37:51,544 --> 00:37:55,380
She can also cause
sudden deaths,
929
00:37:55,382 --> 00:37:58,818
and this would be from things
like sudden heart attack
930
00:37:58,820 --> 00:38:01,354
or things like brain aneurysms.
931
00:38:01,356 --> 00:38:03,790
I do believe that she did
932
00:38:03,792 --> 00:38:07,562
have something to do
with your sister's death.
933
00:38:07,564 --> 00:38:09,832
??
934
00:38:09,834 --> 00:38:11,967
now you told me that you thought
whatever is in this house
935
00:38:11,969 --> 00:38:15,605
was trying to get you
to start using again.
936
00:38:15,607 --> 00:38:17,106
Yes.
937
00:38:17,108 --> 00:38:20,511
Takes me to places
I don't like to be.
938
00:38:20,513 --> 00:38:21,713
That make sense?
939
00:38:21,715 --> 00:38:23,949
Well, yeah, that's her thing,
yeah.
940
00:38:23,951 --> 00:38:25,083
Really, really pissed off.
941
00:38:25,085 --> 00:38:26,819
I'm worried for her.
942
00:38:26,821 --> 00:38:28,588
I'm worried for him.
943
00:38:28,590 --> 00:38:32,526
My worst nightmares
have come to life,
944
00:38:32,528 --> 00:38:34,429
and my family is gonna wind up
945
00:38:34,431 --> 00:38:39,068
hurting me or somebody else.
946
00:38:39,070 --> 00:38:40,336
I knew it was bad,
947
00:38:40,338 --> 00:38:44,140
but I didn't think
it was this bad.
948
00:38:44,142 --> 00:38:46,409
It's just horrible.
949
00:38:46,411 --> 00:38:49,080
- You alright?
- Yeah, I need some air.
950
00:38:49,082 --> 00:38:51,316
Okay.
951
00:38:51,318 --> 00:38:55,488
??
952
00:38:55,490 --> 00:38:59,660
[ voices whisper ]
953
00:39:01,898 --> 00:39:06,768
[ voices whisper ]
954
00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:08,170
steve:
So, christine, you called us in
955
00:39:08,172 --> 00:39:11,374
because you thought you and
your family were in danger here.
956
00:39:11,376 --> 00:39:13,911
What we don't know is whether
there's anything you can do
957
00:39:13,913 --> 00:39:17,248
to fix this so that you can
keep your life on track
958
00:39:17,250 --> 00:39:19,684
and stay here safely
with your family.
959
00:39:19,686 --> 00:39:21,820
For that answer, I'm going
to turn it over to amy.
960
00:39:21,822 --> 00:39:25,525
??
961
00:39:25,527 --> 00:39:30,197
I do feel that you
really need to move.
962
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:34,736
??
963
00:39:34,738 --> 00:39:37,840
your sister is gonna follow,
964
00:39:37,842 --> 00:39:42,146
and then hopefully she can
start her process of moving on.
965
00:39:42,148 --> 00:39:44,415
Her following them is not
gonna cause any danger?
966
00:39:44,417 --> 00:39:46,918
Oh, no. Not at all.
967
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,022
The next thing I would like
ronnie to do
968
00:39:50,024 --> 00:39:54,628
is to go and attend a healing
969
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:59,000
at a church that does
faith healing,
970
00:39:59,002 --> 00:40:01,903
revivals, things of that nature.
971
00:40:01,905 --> 00:40:06,175
He needs that kind of experience
972
00:40:06,177 --> 00:40:10,380
to break and sever the tie
973
00:40:10,382 --> 00:40:13,384
with this woman.
974
00:40:13,386 --> 00:40:15,988
You think he'd be up for that?
975
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:19,492
I'm gonna sure as hell try.
976
00:40:19,494 --> 00:40:22,261
Otherwise you know you're going
to have to sever ties with him.
977
00:40:22,263 --> 00:40:25,232
Yeah.
978
00:40:25,234 --> 00:40:27,836
And I wanted to let you know,
like, as far as the old man
979
00:40:27,838 --> 00:40:31,239
who's been unfortunately,
you know, harassing you,
980
00:40:31,241 --> 00:40:35,578
he'll stay here because
he's so tied to this land.
981
00:40:35,580 --> 00:40:37,314
He can have it.
982
00:40:37,316 --> 00:40:40,385
That place is nothing
but bad memories.
983
00:40:40,387 --> 00:40:43,688
It sounds like a win-win if you
do what amy tells you to do.
984
00:40:43,690 --> 00:40:45,190
It is a win-win.
985
00:40:45,192 --> 00:40:47,292
I'm not staying.
986
00:40:47,294 --> 00:40:49,295
Nobody is.
987
00:40:49,297 --> 00:40:51,865
We'll find a nice place.
988
00:40:51,867 --> 00:40:52,933
And you deserve it now.
989
00:40:52,935 --> 00:40:55,202
You need to start
your life over.
990
00:40:55,204 --> 00:40:59,007
These answers, as tough as they
are, is what you needed to hear.
991
00:40:59,009 --> 00:41:03,146
Yeah, it's a lot to hear,
but I wanted the truth.
992
00:41:03,148 --> 00:41:08,652
You've answered every question
that I needed answered, really,
993
00:41:08,654 --> 00:41:12,057
and I'm not going
to suffer anymore.
994
00:41:12,059 --> 00:41:16,595
And I'm not gonna let anything
steal my joy from me.
995
00:41:16,597 --> 00:41:18,999
Thank you so much.
996
00:41:19,001 --> 00:41:22,003
Amy: It's never easy
telling a family to move out,
997
00:41:22,005 --> 00:41:23,905
but if christine
and barbara leave
998
00:41:23,907 --> 00:41:25,773
and get ronnie
the help he needs,
999
00:41:25,775 --> 00:41:27,443
they will finally be able
to live
1000
00:41:27,445 --> 00:41:29,978
in a peaceful and loving home.
1001
00:41:29,980 --> 00:41:33,483
??
1002
00:41:33,485 --> 00:41:35,119
hi, amy and steve.
1003
00:41:35,121 --> 00:41:38,289
This is christine and barbara
from elizabeth city,
1004
00:41:38,291 --> 00:41:41,426
north carolina, coming at you
with an update.
1005
00:41:41,428 --> 00:41:43,463
Activity has died down
1006
00:41:43,465 --> 00:41:46,799
and ronnie has agreed
to go to church
1007
00:41:46,801 --> 00:41:49,136
and do the hands-on healing,
1008
00:41:49,138 --> 00:41:52,474
and if activity decides
to pick up,
1009
00:41:52,476 --> 00:41:54,876
then we are gonna move.
1010
00:41:54,878 --> 00:41:57,613
Thank you, steve and amy,
for coming out and helping us.
1011
00:41:57,615 --> 00:41:58,881
We appreciate it.
Thank you.
1012
00:41:58,931 --> 00:42:03,481
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