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amy: Evil dead lady likes this place.

She crawls on the ceilings and on the walls.

The ceiling fan just fell straight to the ground.

Oh, wow.

People have been pushed off of these stairs.

I am very nervous about the stairs, just getting shoved.

He ends up strangling her to death.

All right, so this is a sadistic bastard.

They like to have people kill themselves.

I'm gonna...

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amy: This is not a great place for living people.

I'm hearing the devil's triangle.

My name is amy allan.

I see dead people.

I think he might've been a stalker.

I speak to dead people, and they speak to me.

He will kill you. He has killed people.

But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.

They're being possessed. I rely on my partner.

I'm steve di schiavi.

I'm a retired new york city homicide detective.

How many people died here over the years?

And I know every person, every house has secrets.

It's my job to reveal them.

But steve and I never speak...

We never communicate during an investigation.

...Until the very end.

This sketch is like a nightmare.

When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...

I never thought that the biggest problem was me.

...Or time to get out.

He could more than likely kill you.

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steve: So I'm up here in palatka, florida.

It's about an hour south of jacksonville.

I got a call from a newlywed named tiffany.

Now, she told me she didn't just marry into a new family,

but into a family business.

Problem is, the second she started renovating

their old bar, things went crazy.

She says activity is dangerous,

but shutting down the bar is really not an option.

It's up to me and amy to figure this one out.

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amy: This is bad.

There's some dead guy in here, and he's saying,

"wait, wait, wait. I'm not ready for this."

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oh, god, ****.

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I am getting stabbed from behind.

Oh lordy, lordy. Okay. Work through the **** pain.

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steve: So tiffany, when we spoke on the phone,

it sounded like this place is nothing but mayhem.

What the hell is going on?

Steve, the paranormal activity has been so insane here.

I'm truly concerned for the safety of our customers

and for us.

So tiffany, I understand this is a family-owned business.

Tell me a little bit about that.

It's been in my husband's family for 30 years.

That's my husband johnny, and this is his father, bob.

Okay, now is bob still around?

He is not. He passed away several years ago.

You think johnny's father

could be causing any of the problems here?

No. This business meant the world to johnny's dad.

He would protect us.

Okay. Give me an idea of what you guys are experiencing here.

We feel like we're being watched.

There's objects being thrown,

and people are being physically attacked.

My biggest fear is that someone be seriously injured,

somebody could be killed.

If things are really that bad,

why not just move on to another location?

Absolutely not. This is our life.

This is a do or die situation. We have to make this work.

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amy: I'm seeing this evil-looking dead lady.

She's very thin, petite.

Her eyes are just filled with bugs.

Her hair is really long and clumpy,

and I think that people see her. She's trapped here.

She crawls on the ceilings and on the walls.

I know that she likes to watch people,

especially from the ceiling.

I think that they would feel the panic and fear. It's bad.

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steve: All right, so tiffany, what's happening up here?

I've personally seen an apparition of a woman.

Could it have been a patron?

Not at all. We weren't even open yet.

Okay, so this is something that looks solid?

Yes. She had on period-type clothing.

What period are we talking about?

I would say 1800s.

The vibe I get is that this was hers maybe or...

Like she belonged here?

Like she belonged here, correct.

- Okay. - Yes.

Anything else?

This is insane, but I've seen this weird shadow figure

looking thing walk down the sidewalk,

and it was inhumanly tall,

and it walked right into the building.

It just freaked me out. - Were you drinking? I mean,

could it have been something that you were hallucinating?

No. I was not drinking that night.

I had band practice. I was working.

All right, so you're seeing some weird stuff. Anything else?

I get touched inappropriately up here,

like something actually grabs my bottom.

I turn around, and there's no one there.

All right, so you're not happy with that, obviously?

- No. - Anything else like that?

One of my biggest concerns is this staircase right here.

People have been pushed off of these stairs.

Anybody get really hurt?

Yes. One woman was pretty sure her ribs were bruised.

I'm no paranormal expert, but this is bad.

You might've dodged a couple of bullets already.

Somebody could have got paralyzed, killed.

You could lose the whole bar.

Absolutely. Steve, this is why we called you in.

It's so crucial that this doesn't happen.

Their safety is of utmost important to us.

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amy: I was seeing the evil lady with two kids, a boy and a girl.

They look young to me, four, five, six, maybe.

They are bad children.

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the kids like to create and cause accidents.

I am very nervous about the stairs with them.

They like to cause pain, fear, and touch people --

kind of inappropriate touching.

They have mom issues and they go after females in particular.

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what do you got going on here?

There's a very tall shelf, and there's mugs up on the shelf,

and they will fly off and crash on the ground.

Okay, not saying you have rats or any kind of varmints,

but is there a chance it could be

some kind of animal that got up in there?

There was no animal.

Multiple people saw the glass fall.

All right, so anything else?

Feelings of being anxious.

That sensation happens frequently in this area.

You don't strike me as an anxious person.

Not at all, but you can't help it

when you feel like something's watching you.

Okay, so anything else over here?

Sometimes I wonder if I'm being followed home by something,

because I do have things happen outside of the bar.

So, what kind of experiences are we talking about?

Just last night, something grabbed my foot then twisted.

It's safe to say I didn't sleep.

Not for nothing, you got a lot of crap going on here.

Yes. My hope and my prayer is that

we can save my husband's bar

and create a place that's safe and happy.

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amy: Yeah, this is not a great place for living people.

Evil dead lady likes this place

and also brings the children here.

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they're moving stuff, breaking ****, too.

The kids are working people up.

They're making them angry, and they're making them fight.

I think that people would feel very manic in this area.

These kids are jumping people.

I think they can follow people home,

and the dead lady will go with the children,

and affect people at their homes.

Matt: What do they do with them then?

You know, if the kids are jumping,

then it's kind of like an oppression or possession,

which could then make people get sick, go crazy,

possibly kill themselves.

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so johnny, I was talking to your wife,

and obviously she called us in. - Right.

And the reason is because she doesn't feel this building

is safe for anybody to be in

with the paranormal activity, what's your thoughts on that?

I'm concerned about it. You know, we had one person

that actually physically got pushed from behind.

Things like that just can't happen.

So talking with your wife tiffany, she was saying

that the experiences are pretty intense now.

You have anything that you could tell me about?

Yeah. Yeah, there's a few things that's happened.

My wife and I came in, we're doing inventory.

We hear some whistling and singing in our outback.

We go out there, gates are locked.

Nobody's there.

Could it have been somebody on the other side of the wall?

No, that's four bricks thick.

You're not going to hear anything on the other side

of the wall. It's really, really different.

Okay, so anything else that you've experienced?

Late at night, I could see shadows going by

in the mirror during closing.

And nothing coming from the outside maybe?

Nothing coming -- it's 4:00 in the morning, town's dead.

All right, let me ask you something.

How long ago did your father pass?

He passed about 10 years ago.

- About 10 years ago. - He was a great man.

Was he? What kind of guy was he?

He was the life of the party. He liked to throw the parties.

He would still come in every night when he was alive.

- Okay. - This was his spot.

How would you feel if you found out he was?

I would be reassured that he's still doing

what he wanted to do, you know? Right.

He's still here. He's still looking over things.

Okay.

Amy: There's a male who's hiding.

There's a sense of ownership here.

There's a sense of, you know, back off, it's my space.

He grabbed my arm, didn't want me to go over here.

I don't know why.

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I think he worked here or something,

and he's still trying to do his work.

I feel like he's a little bit more recent,

I'd say in the last, I don't know,

seven or eight years, I guess.

Like, he feels like a protective person,

like he's trying to stop me from seeing anything bad.

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okay, so johnny, anything else?

We had a ceiling fan just like this one here

fall from right there.

It just fell straight to the ground.

It was one of those things that it just, for no reason.

- All right, so it wasn't on? - It wasn't on,

but I do have security footage if you'd like to take a look.

Yeah, absolutely.

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oh, wow.

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let me ask you something, was anybody here?

Nobody was here, thankfully. A couple of days before that,

my wife's band was practicing right here though.

- Right here? - Right here.

That's one of the big things that started to concern me.

I'm like, two days before,

I mean, it could have fallen on her.

To say you dodged a bullet, it's an understatement.

- Absolutely. - With all this stuff going on,

why not just sell it and open someplace else?

No, that's not a choice for me.

My parents had it before me, and it's a staple in palatka,

and it's important to me that it continues to go.

This is it for me.

Okay.

Amy: This protective guy, he doesn't like to mess with women.

He goes after men particularly.

I mean, I think men feel like, you know, they're being grabbed,

being pushed, just getting shoved.

I think this person breaks things, too.

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so after talking to tiffany and johnny,

I wanted to see what their employees

and their customers had to say.

There's been nights where I see a man watching the bartender.

I see a silhouette. It's terrifying.

And each one of them had experiences more intense

than the last.

I was carrying three cups in one hand,

and something aggressively knocked one of the cups

in an upward direction from my hand.

It always seems like there's a really tense energy

here in the bar, like it's ready for a fight.

I saw an apparition of a man

that walked right through those doors.

How'd you feel when you saw that?

I went to finish and leave.

In fact, I don't think I finished, I think I just left.

But what's got me the most concerned

is the physical attacks.

I'd walk out of that room right there,

and I feel two hands on my back shoving me

to get out of this room.

Whatever it was, it just wanted me out.

- Out? - Right.

The protective guy, he's like, "I keep trying to help women,

but it goes, like, sideways."

it never goes the way that he intends or plans.

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he's ornery towards men, but he doesn't like guys in his space.

This is his space. That's his space.

He can be physical, like pushing, shoving,

grabbing, punching.

I don't think he would kill a guy,

but might come to, you know, a couple of blows in there.

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steve: So before I got to town, I made my usual calls --

historians, authors, cops.

I just got a call back from an archivist

who did some digging for me.

Now, she says tiffany and johnny's property

was home to the deadliest american indian war

in the history of the united states.

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steve: So, betsy, I appreciate you meeting me

and helping me out with this case.

Before we get to this big war,

what can you tell me about the tribe

that used to be on my client's land?

Yes. Seminole indians had settlements here

for hundreds of years. We know that in the 1770s,

there was a trading post and the white settlers

and the seminole indians traded.

We know that there were happy times,

but all of the peacefulness and the coexistence

ended when the government came in

and tried to kick the seminole indians out of florida.

Okay, so that's when they got the bad blood started?

Yes, it was in December of 1835,

the seminole indians came in and burned

what was palatka settlement.

Immediately, the federal government stepped in,

took over palatka and then started building fort shannon,

so that was built in 1836.

And so your client's property is part of that military outpost.

Now, who would have been stationed here?

There would have been anywhere from 100 to 400

u.S. Military personnel.

This base held not only the wounded and the sick,

but also people here being --

waiting to be dispatched to go into battle.

I got to assume a lot of people died here.

Yes. This was the worst indian war

in the history of the united states.

We estimate around 3,000 seminole indians

died during that war and around 1600 u.S. Troops.

Okay. When did it all end?

Well, the seminole indian war ended in 1842

when the seminole indians agreed to sign a treaty

with the u.S. Federal government,

and most of them were relocated to oklahoma.

- They got a crappy deal. - Yes.

You know, betsy, looking at this place now

and how beautiful it is, it's hard to imagine

this small piece of land held so much bloodshed.

Yes. Many people died here.

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amy: There's a lot of death here, man.

Something with partnerships here, bad.

They always go bad.

Feeling like a lot of death within these partnerships.

I'm hearing gunshots. I'm feeling panic and gunshots.

But I guess whatever this situation is,

it seems to have started a chain of events, they're saying.

See they keep throwing that word around

and I don't want to say it.

- What word? - Cursed.

Steve: All right. So far, I've got clients worried

about the safety of their employees and guests

in an area with nearly 5,000 people died in a war,

but I want to see if there's anything else.

Looking through old records, I find one of the former owners

of tiffany and johnny's property.

Turns out, she helped save palatka

from being destroyed during the civil war.

So, I managed to track down this woman's great, great grandson.

He says when she wasn't burying kids,

she was fighting her abusive crook of a husband,

just to keep ahold of tiffany's property.

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steve: Mike, I appreciate you taking the time to meet with me.

Mike: My pleasure.

So you mentioned on the phone that your great,

great grandmother was quite a woman.

What can you tell me about her?

Well, her name was mary emily dunham boyd.

Here are a couple of pictures of mary emily.

And she had married one of the big wigs in the town,

robert t. Boyd. - Okay.

After she married robert t.,

they moved into a big house that he had built on the property

that you're investigating.

During my research, I found out

that she basically saved the town.

That's what she's pretty much known for to this day.

Back during the civil war, in October of 1862,

there was quite a lot of naval activity out on the river --

union gunboats and things like that.

There were also some confederate soldiers

hiding out in the hills behind the town,

and one of the boats fired a few shots over the town,

scared the dickens out of the population.

Mary emily couldn't find a man who would go out

and try to stop the shooting,

so she decided she'd do it herself,

and she negotiated a truce.

The confederate soldiers went away.

So she basically saved the town from getting bombed.

Pretty much did, yes.

Now, you mentioned she lost some kids.

Yes, between 1854 and 1867,

mary lost three of her four kids before the age of three.

And this all happened on my client's property?

Yes.

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amy: I'm seeing that evil dead lady again.

I feel like she is directly related to this location.

With her, I'm getting 1890 to 1917.

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she's saying something about, "it hurts."

she's like, "it hurts. It hurts so much.

It hurts so much."

I am hearing a woman sobbing.

I think the living would hear this.

I think that the living would feel

this horrible depression and loss.

I think her kids died really young.

I also see her being attacked. Ooh, I don't know,

I see like a guy on top of her. I think he beat her,

and psychologically, it's damaging.

Now, you mentioned on the phone mary's husband, robert,

wasn't the greatest guy, what can you tell me about him?

He got in trouble with his business.

He and his partner were lumbermen.

He was accused of cutting timber

on federal government land illegally.

Okay.

So he was just fending off one lawsuit after another.

During all this mess that was going on,

what happens to my client's property?

The government of course wanted to go after that, too,

but robert kind of outsmarted them,

because a year before this all came to a head,

he signed the house, your client's property,

over to his wife, so it remained with her.

So we know he's shady, but was he a good family man?

No. He had a violent, uncontrollable temper.

And finally, by 1876, she filed for divorce.

Three years later, robert t. Died.

What happens to mary?

She and some of her kids and grandkids

all lived together in the property

that you're investigating for close to 40 more years.

She finally died of a stroke in 1917.

She had a sad life.

Yeah, but it did have its good moments.

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amy: There's two dead guys who are dressed really well.

One of them is the evil lady's husband.

I do get smuggling.

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they're flicking money.

They might have been some kind of partnership

but **** goes wrong between partnerships here.

Do you know why partnerships go bad here?

Like, I kept hearing curse.

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so another thing caught my attention in research.

One of the most prolific serial killers in florida history

was born right here in palatka.

So, I'm headed over to meet a local detective

who says not only did this sick bastard live down the block

from tiffany and john's property,

he may have even drank at their bar.

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steve: So mark, thanks for helping me out with this case.

Before we get to the murders, what do we know about this guy?

This guy's name was william darrell lindsey.

People called him "red bird" because of his red hair.

He was born in palatka in 1935.

He worked multiple manual labor jobs,

construction work, mechanic, stuff like that.

For a while, he was living downtown palatka,

which is probably about three blocks

from your client's property. - All right.

So since he lived so close to my client's property,

that's probably what you meant when you told me

that he probably drank there at some point.

Oh, yeah. He was a raging alcoholic.

He was a drug abuser. The guy was a womanizer.

He was chasing women all over the bars in palatka.

I'm sure that he frequented that bar at least a couple times.

All right. The murders, what happened?

Well, the first murder that we know of

was in 1983 over in st. Augustine.

So he meets his lady at a bar.

They go down to the beach and have sex.

He ends up strangling her to death,

takes her out to the woods, and throws her in a pit.

Okay. So what happens after that one?

It's 1988, he picks up a prostitute in st. Augustine,

rapes her, beats her to death with a board,

he puts cigarette burns all over her body,

and he leaves bite marks on her on top of that.

All right, so this is a sadistic bastard we're talking about.

Got to be. Got to be.

I know he eventually gets caught.

How's that all go down?

So in 1996, he gets caught and he's arrested up

in north carolina for a murder.

He confesses to murdering 12 people down here.

They believe that he's responsible for eight more.

Okay, so what did this rat bastard wind up getting?

Ultimately, he cops to a plea deal.

The plea deal is they give him 30 years in prison.

-30 years? -30 years for eight people.

He deserved worse.

He goes to prison for five years,

and then he died of cancer.

66 years of age. Cheated the hangman.

He did.

Here's a photo of him right before he died.

All right, so this rat bastard didn't get his just desserts?

Nope, didn't.

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amy: I see a female being attacked.

She's feeling the pain, pain, pain, pain, pain pain,

and then it's lights out.

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I think there was damage on the left side of her head, face.

There's damage indicating I think bludgeoning.

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any idea when that was?

Amy: I'd place her anywhere from '80s to now based on her outfit.

This woman is being taken, taken away.

It happened very fast.

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I feel like a lot of loss. Confusion.

It feels like she was here all the time,

all the time, this chick who got taken.

All the sudden, there's this psycho-looking guy.

I put him in his late 30s, early 40s.

He's got kind of a brown, reddish kind of hair.

He has a mutant kind of smile. It was like distorted.

He seemed like a guy who worked with his hands.

I caught a glimpse of him in jail

with his head shaved.

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he's a killer.

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I saw a lot of disturbing things on my walk,

but the dead kids pushing people down

the stairs concerns me the most.

There's these two dead kids there, a boy and a girl.

And there's like a living male falling in the air.

Okay.

The stairs go down this way.

Oh.

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- amy, is this what you saw? - Yes, that's what I saw.

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steve: Now that amy and I have completed our investigations,

we're ready to reveal our findings to each other

and our clients for the first time.

So amy, I'd like you to meet tiffany and her husband, johnny.

Now, this bar has been in johnny's family for decades,

but after these two got married around three years ago

and then decided to do renovations here,

all hell broke loose.

Tiffany called us in because the activity's gotten violent,

and she doesn't think it's safe for anybody to be here.

So now that amy knows a little bit about you guys,

I'll ask her to describe her walk.

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amy: So the first thing I'm going to talk about is partnerships

and how they always go bad here.

And I was trying to figure out why is this something

that keeps repeating itself specific to this location?

And I kept getting the word "curse."

the things that I feel is

it's not just necessarily to this building,

but it seems like the entire town's being held back.

It's funny because in the past, amy's talked about curses

and usually associated a lot with the native americans.

What I came across was that this land we're sitting on

was part of the seminole indian settlement,

and they'd been here for hundreds of years.

Believe it or not, though, when the white settlers first

came here during the 1700s,

they got along fine. They traded. They hung out.

But come the 1800s, the government,

they tried to get the whole seminole nation out of here,

and it kind of pissed them off.

And in 1835, they burnt this town down,

so by the time the war ended in 1842,

you had 3,000 dead seminoles

and you had 1,600 dead u.S. Government troops.

That war was considered, right here on your land,

was considered the costliest war

between native americans and u.S. Settlers.

That finally ended at them signing a treaty

to get displaced, and they went from florida,

they stuck their asses in oklahoma.

So do you think it's possible the seminole people

put a curse on this land?

Yeah, I do. I think that's the logical conclusion.

It makes total sense.

Something's just not right with the town.

Steve: Okay. So what else you got?

One of the dead that I encountered was on this floor.

So I'm walking over there and he was like,

"whoa, whoa, whoa, back off."

and that indicated to me that this was his place,

possibly when he was alive.

It got that his death was pretty recent

within the last 8 to 10 years.

Are we all thinking the same thing?

I am.

So it sounds like the person you may be talking about

is johnny's dad.

He owned this place over 20 years.

Oh, wow. Okay.

Steve: Your dad passed away how long ago?

10 years ago. He was the life of the party.

He loved being here.

That's why this is not just a bar for you.

To keep it going is paramount for me.

He's extremely protective of women.

If a guy's getting pissy towards a woman,

like, he has no problem being like, pushing or shoving.

Does that sound like your pop?

Yeah. He would definitely be a protector for sure.

I also thought though that people might be able to see him,

because obviously he can get really physical.

I've seen a man, I've actually followed a man

that's about his height and stature

thinking that it was him.

Actually I have a photo of him and johnny together,

which is a really great photo. That's his dad right here.

So do you think the guy that you saw is johnny's dad?

Amy: More than likely. Yeah.

If he's coming back to look over the place

because he enjoyed being here, I'm okay with that.

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- all right, so what else? - This next dead person

that I'm going to talk about is a female.

She's one of the more active dead people here.

She's creepy. She does invoke, like, the fear response.

So a sudden onset of fear and anxiety for no reason.

But I felt like you guys would see her

because she's so active here.

You saw an apparition of a woman.

Explain to amy what you saw.

She was in a period dress.

The woman that I saw. I've seen her multiple times.

Now, we talked about anxiety.

Yeah, I've had that happen,

and it's like all of a sudden this rush.

She was always climbing the walls and the ceilings.

She likes to watch people from up there.

I think that living people would feel this.

Feel like you're being watched.

When I spoke to some of your employees,

a lot of them were saying that they felt watched.

So I'm assuming it's got to be this woman.

Yeah.

Now you described something you saw across the street.

Tell amy what you saw when you guys were hanging out outside.

I saw a in-humanly large shadow thing with really long arms,

but was taller than the buildings across the street.

Okay.

And it was walking down the sidewalk towards me.

She was shaken.

That was horrific, whatever it was.

Okay, that definitely was not this woman.

I've seen something similar to that.

It's called a watcher, and it was associated

with a native american location that was cursed.

- That's scary. - I know.

And when they're that big, it's, it's, yeah.

So we know that that shadow is not the woman,

and we think it's the indian curse.

Yes.

So, this woman, you get any idea

about who she might have been when she was alive?

There definitely was a direct connection to this property.

I don't know if she owned it or lived here and she was crying

and she just kind of fell to her knees and was like,

"why? Oh, god, why?"

there was a loss that she suffered

and I was leaning towards children.

She's extremely depressed.

She always carries sadness with her

and the timeframe of her dying is the 1920s.

Steve: Well, it's not a lot to go on, but some of the things you said

reminded me of one of the really early owners of the property.

Her name was mary boyd,

and she moved here with her husband back in 1851.

Short time after they moved here,

her husband and his business partner got into trouble.

So the government wind up seizing all the guy's property.

So to protect it, he wound up signing this property

over to mary.

Mary got to keep the property,

but her life was pretty rough from that point forward.

First of all, her husband was an abusive ****

and like the woman you saw,

she lost three kids, two boys and a girl

and all the kids were under the age of three.

In 1876,

she had enough of the abuse from this guy, and she left him.

- Good for her. - Yeah.

Steve: She ended up buying at her daughter's house

that's only a couple of blocks from here,

and she died of a stroke in 1917,

and she was 87 years old when she died

and I got a couple of photos of mary,

but she wasn't young, and this is her with some grandkids.

This dead woman has these two dead kids

with her the majority of the time.

One's a male and one's a female.

I put them at four to five years of age.

So they're little psychopaths. They're extremely physical.

They like to touch people.

They have mom issues and they go after females in particular.

Kind of inappropriate touching.

So my butt's been grabbed a lot.

Oh, this is not a good situation.

They are very active here in the main bar.

These are the ones who are moving,

breaking, harming things.

Up here on this shelf where all the mugs are,

one of them flew off and shattered on the floor

in between two folks that were shooting pool.

The most concerning thing that these kids do

is they have a game

and it's a challenge game of who could cause the best accidents.

Tell amy about the fan.

The fan in the middle of the day,

not on, nobody around just fell. There was no wood damage.

There's no water damage in that area.

There's no termites. It just fell out of the roof.

Johnny actually gave me video. I'll show you.

So watch this area here.

It's coming out. Boom. That's pretty dangerous.

They're all about fear, chaos, and pain.

I also saw them pushing people by the staircase.

We've had two people that we know of that have been

pushed down the stairs and injured pretty good.

- Did they feel hands? - Yes.

I did have a sketch of what I saw them doing on the stairs.

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interesting.

Wow. I knew it. This is terrible.

I'm so grateful that somebody wasn't killed.

Now, what worries me though is they know how to attach

so they can go home with you.

So at home that night, it felt like my foot had been grabbed

and twisted the wrong way three times.

So is it possible that these kids followed her home?

Yes, they're very cunning and manipulative.

They like to jump people. They like to

**** with your thoughts, making people mentally unsound,

and they like to have people kill themselves.

Lovely. I just knew there was a lot here, but I had no idea.

Can I have a minute? - Sure.

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so, johnny, tiffany,

I know how important this place is to both of you.

So now for the obvious question,

is there any way you can make this place safe for you,

your employees, and your patrons,

or will you just be gambling with your lives?

So for that answer, I'm going to turn it over to amy.

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I know you're not going to like what I have to say.

I understand the want to remain here.

Your parents had this place and they had dreams.

Unfortunately, that's all it can be --

a dream.

The land is cursed and there is a watcher.

This is one that was left behind by the native americans,

who will remain and will continue to reinforce the curse.

There is no stopping that.

My advice to you, walk away.

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believe me, she does not want to tell you this.

This is the worst, you know, part of my job.

Crushing.

Very. Like unbelievably so. We can't just walk away.

Our family's here. Everything.

We owe it to them to fight, and we owe it to his family.

It's hard to accept it. This is home.

If leaving this location is out of the question,

there are a plethora of things that you can employ

like salt, sage, sweet grass,

but all of them are going to be temporary.

I will do my very best to put as much love and light

as I can into every space I go.

And at least now you know what you're dealing with.

I give you guys a lot of credit,

not for nothing but you're looking

at the worst case scenario

that she can possibly tell you, and you two are like,

eh, you know what...

No, I was raised, when you get knocked down

and get back up again and you fight harder.

It's not the end.

Put a positive spin on it, do our work, and make sure

it's as safe as possible for everybody.

♪♪

amy: I wish I had better news for johnny and tiffany,

but unfortunately, their bar sits on cursed land.

I think they'd be better off walking away,

but since they're determined to fight,

they'll need to do daily cleansings

to keep their employees and customers safe.

♪♪

since amy and steve came through and helped us understand

the depth of the paranormal activity here

and the history behind it,

johnny and I have since embraced it.

It was really hard to swallow at first,

but along with our friends and loved ones,

we went through, cleansed and blessed the entire bar.

You can feel the positive energy in the air.

Johnny and I are going to continue with our dream

to make this place

and to keep this place an amazing space to come

and enjoy for years and years and generations to come.

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