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♪♪
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He doesn't want
any living people here.
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He's pushed people
down the stairs.
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I've had several accidents
falling and rolling down.
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You could break your neck
and die.
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I'm feeling choking,
smothered.
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Get the [bleep]
out of my house.
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You're picking on my kids.
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Why don't you come
and pick on me?
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You have a dead person
inside you.
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[ sniffles ]
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Amy: He's shouting,
"this is mine.
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Get out. Get out."
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I'm hearing
the devil's triangle.
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My name is amy allan.
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I see dead people.
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I think he might've
been a stalker.
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I speak to dead people,
and they speak to me.
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He will kill you.
He has killed people.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real...
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They're being possessed.
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...I rely on my partner.
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I'm steve dischiavi.
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I'm a retired new york city
homicide detective...
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How many people died here
over the years?
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...And I know every person,
every house, has secrets.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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But steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...Until the very end.
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This sketch
is like a nightmare.
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When we uncover if it's safe
for you to stay...
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I never thought
the biggest problem was me.
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...Or time to get out.
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He could, more than likely,
kill you.
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Steve: So I'm out here in
upper darby, pennsylvania.
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It's about 15 minutes
west of philadelphia.
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I got a call from a mom
named nicole.
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Now, she bought her family
a good-sized house out here,
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But everyone is so terrified
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They spend their nights
huddled in one room.
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She says activity is getting
more dangerous by the day,
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And if we can't stop it,
someone is gonna die.
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Amy: I just saw darkness
in this place.
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Like, it feels very wrong.
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The dead are overcome with anger
and then I just felt utter fear.
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So nicole,
when we spoke on the phone,
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Things didn't sound good.
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What's going on?
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Something in this home
is torturing my family.
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It's extremely dangerous.
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Okay, so who all lives
in the house?
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Okay. All right.
So that's you, obviously.
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That's me.
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This is darren, my youngest,
he's eight.
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Nikiva, he's 17.
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Bethany, she's 20.
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How long have you been here?
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Seven years.
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This home was
a new start for us.
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All the children,
we've had their own bedrooms.
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But we're all basically
bunked up in one room,
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Because of the experiences.
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All right.
Well, that's no way to live.
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No, it isn't.
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Do me a favor, give me a list of
what you guys are experiencing.
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We hear knocking.
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We hear voices.
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Shadow figures.
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Constant night terrors.
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And our health is being
physically attacked.
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And when you guys
leave the house,
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As far as your health,
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Do you feel any different,
any better? No.
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Whenever I leave this house,
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I can actually feel
that energy with me.
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What do you think it wants
from you, whoever it is here?
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To kill, destroy,
and separate.
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Would you move, if you had to?
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I would definitely move.
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Even if it's fixed I still
wouldn't want to leave here,
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Because it would be
like reliving a nightmare.
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So what did you need us
here for?
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I don't want to move and carry
what's here to my next home.
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I try to be strong
for my children.
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I just want everything to be
over so we can move on.
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I just want those kids
to be happy.
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Amy: There's a lot of dead
people here.
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All the dead
are suddenly converging.
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I do believe that people
are seeing
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And experiencing various
dead people here.
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They would see apparitions
walking around in the streets.
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You're dealing with
30 or 40 dead people.
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There's a possibility
that one or two of them are
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[bleep] nuts
and might harm the living.
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So I think that the living would
have that experience of feeling
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Very confused
and profoundly disturbed.
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♪♪
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Steve:
So what's going on in here?
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I have a feeling of being
watched in this room.
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It's something that's definitely
negative and actually
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Is draining your energy.
- All right.
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So the feeling of that negative
being watched
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And feeling drained
is connected? Yes.
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Anything else?
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These stairs over here.
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I've had several accidents
where I came falling
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And rolling down
to the bottom of the step.
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How often does that happen?
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About 10 times?
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You know, nicole, you get
to the bottom of that stairs
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And you fall
and hit your head,
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You could break your neck
and die.
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I know.
That's what I'm afraid of.
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Okay.
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Amy:
There's a dead female here.
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I think that the dead woman
is putting herself
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In this living woman.
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So it's been
a slow progression of her,
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Like, inserting herself
inside of this living woman.
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So this dead chick,
she fell down.
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I think a male had something
to do with it.
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So I think that there
was fighting going on between
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This dead woman and some guy,
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And she fell down the stairs.
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She hurt her head
and her neck.
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I think she might've done this
to the living woman, too, like,
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Reenacting it?
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This dead female
has made her fall.
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So I know you guys are all
sleeping together in here
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Because you're afraid.
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- Yes.
- Has it helped at all?
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- No, it hasn't helped.
- Okay.
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So what's going on in here?
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I have a fear
of extraterrestrials,
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And this thing that's
in this home knows that.
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Okay.
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So I normally have dreams
of being abducted,
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Being experimented on,
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And I get held down
in my room at night
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To the point where I'm having,
like, seizure-like activity.
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My body is just
moving violently.
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So nicole, I see a hell of a lot
of medication over there.
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Can any of that stuff
be causing the nightmares
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Or this physical paralysis
you're going through?
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- No, not at all.
- All right.
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Any other physical things
like that?
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Yes.
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One night, I was sleeping
and I felt two hands
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Pulling me up out of the bed.
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It felt aggressive.
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Is anything else going on?
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Migraines and nausea.
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Full body pain.
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What makes you convinced
it's all paranormal?
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Because I didn't have
any of these problems
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Before I moved in this home.
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I don't know how you're dealing
with all this.
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I spent many a nights
up crying.
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We try to stay as positive
as we can,
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But in this situation,
it's hard.
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Okay.
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♪♪
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There's a living female here
and there's a male
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Who [bleep] hates her.
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This is a younger dead male.
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Definitely wife-beater.
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Something about her
reminds him of his dead wife.
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I think his dead wife
is the lady from the stairs.
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This dead woman has, like,
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Slowly merged
with this living woman.
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Her intentions are
to be able to hide
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From this nasty dead male.
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The dead male is now focusing
his rage
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On this living woman
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And is beating on her.
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It is causing her pain
and I believe,
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If it continues
it could cause
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Some long-term illnesses
to some organs.
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He definitely makes women
feel nauseous.
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The living woman is getting
weaker and weaker
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Because she's always
with the dead.
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Okay.
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So it's making her sick,
physically sick,
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And then on top of it she's got
this guy beating on her.
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Don't feel good.
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So beverly, I understand
you're nicole's mom.
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- Yes, I am.
- Okay.
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She's got some pretty
bad things going on here.
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I am concerned
and very worried.
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I can't even describe
how awful it is.
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I mean, it's a serious
situation.
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So have you had experiences
in the house? Yes.
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When I enter the house, I get
an overwhelming feeling
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Like I'm just being emotionally
and physically drained.
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You know, nicole mentioned
that to me as well.
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Okay, anything else you
experiencing in the house?
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Yes, I experience, like,
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A presence of heaviness,
darkness.
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I don't know, and I feel like
it's just around all the time.
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Well, that's got to make it
uncomfortable to be here.
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I don't come inside
this house anymore.
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Okay.
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I have the children
and my daughter to come out
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And visit me on the porch.
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Okay. So it's that bad?
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It's awful.
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Nicole believes that whatever
is here is gonna kill her. Yes.
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It's draining her, her health,
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And I personally
can't get any rest
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Until she gets the help that
she needs, her and the family.
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♪♪
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Amy:
I'm getting some weird stuff.
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I'm seeing thick black goo.
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So it doesn't have a shape
and it's just big.
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It's like human-size.
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No distinct characteristics.
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It's not male or female.
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It's just a blob.
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Literally turns into, like,
a body in a bag.
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Like, if you were to roll a body
in a carpet
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And drag it down there,
that's what it sounds like
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When it's going down
the stairs here.
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And it's gone up
on the ceiling,
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And then coming down
and smothering.
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And I think that the living
are thinking,
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"ooh, the dark
is getting darker.
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The darkness
is getting thicker."
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And they can't breathe.
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♪♪
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So darren, how old are you?
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-8.
-8 years old, okay.
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Talking to mommy, she said
there's some scary stuff
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Going on in the house here.
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We have experienced,
like, a lot of stuff.
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So why don't you tell me about
some things that are happening?
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The shadow entities.
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You see shadow entities.
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Now, where do you see
these things?
258
00:12:09,796 --> 00:12:12,130
I see them in
my mom's closet...
259
00:12:12,132 --> 00:12:13,164
Okay.
260
00:12:13,166 --> 00:12:14,666
...And I also see
in beth's room.
261
00:12:14,668 --> 00:12:16,835
So we're talking about your
sister's room, up in the attic?
262
00:12:16,837 --> 00:12:17,869
Yeah.
263
00:12:17,871 --> 00:12:21,406
Sometimes I just see it,
peeking at me.
264
00:12:21,408 --> 00:12:22,574
Okay.
265
00:12:22,576 --> 00:12:24,743
And as soon as I look at it,
it disappears.
266
00:12:24,745 --> 00:12:26,611
So darren, the stuff that's
going on in the house
267
00:12:26,613 --> 00:12:29,814
Is kind of scary,
do you want to move?
268
00:12:29,816 --> 00:12:31,349
- Yeah.
- You do, huh?
269
00:12:31,351 --> 00:12:34,652
♪♪
270
00:12:34,654 --> 00:12:38,590
Amy: I think that dark blob
is actually a dead woman.
271
00:12:38,592 --> 00:12:41,659
The living do encounter her
a lot here.
272
00:12:41,661 --> 00:12:44,062
She comes out of spooky places.
273
00:12:44,064 --> 00:12:45,897
So closets.
274
00:12:45,899 --> 00:12:47,832
[ door opens, closes ]
275
00:12:47,834 --> 00:12:49,868
She goes on the ceilings.
276
00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:52,771
She's trying to be near people
and it's like she's...
277
00:12:52,773 --> 00:12:55,640
But she's so consuming.
278
00:12:55,642 --> 00:12:57,442
I don't know if they're seeing
a shadow, like,
279
00:12:57,444 --> 00:12:59,077
Shadow figure or whatever.
280
00:12:59,079 --> 00:13:02,747
It's more like, like I said,
she's dark and smothers.
281
00:13:02,749 --> 00:13:07,819
♪♪
282
00:13:07,821 --> 00:13:13,758
♪♪
283
00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,960
So bethany, I understand this
used to be your bedroom?
284
00:13:15,962 --> 00:13:16,995
Yes, it did.
285
00:13:16,997 --> 00:13:19,330
But I moved out about
six months ago
286
00:13:19,332 --> 00:13:22,133
Because of the experiences
that I've had up here.
287
00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:23,968
Your experiences,
what can you tell me?
288
00:13:23,970 --> 00:13:25,537
It started off with nightmares.
289
00:13:25,539 --> 00:13:28,373
So the nightmares that you were
having, what are they about?
290
00:13:28,375 --> 00:13:29,707
They're always violent,
291
00:13:29,709 --> 00:13:31,943
And they're always
about my family members.
292
00:13:31,945 --> 00:13:34,412
All right. Anything else?
293
00:13:34,414 --> 00:13:38,516
I actually saw the shadow figure
walk around my bed.
294
00:13:38,518 --> 00:13:40,919
Then, when it got to the side
of me,
295
00:13:40,921 --> 00:13:43,087
It jumped on top of me.
296
00:13:43,089 --> 00:13:44,722
My back was hurting.
297
00:13:44,724 --> 00:13:46,057
I couldn't breathe.
298
00:13:46,059 --> 00:13:47,625
So how long did this go for?
299
00:13:47,627 --> 00:13:49,661
At least a minute,
300
00:13:49,663 --> 00:13:52,130
But it feels like forever
when it's happening.
301
00:13:52,132 --> 00:13:53,832
Any other attacks like that?
302
00:13:53,834 --> 00:13:57,035
Physical attacks, I've been
pushed down the stairs.
303
00:13:57,037 --> 00:13:58,403
You, too?
304
00:13:58,405 --> 00:14:01,072
Yeah, it's happened at least
two or three times.
305
00:14:01,074 --> 00:14:03,174
- You sure you didn't trip?
- Yeah.
306
00:14:03,176 --> 00:14:05,343
I mean, you're lucky
you didn't get killed. Yeah.
307
00:14:05,345 --> 00:14:06,544
Bethany, when I was
talking to mom,
308
00:14:06,546 --> 00:14:09,414
I noticed her low energy.
309
00:14:09,416 --> 00:14:11,282
And she told me she just
feels constantly drained.
310
00:14:11,284 --> 00:14:12,684
Are you feeling that way
as well?
311
00:14:12,686 --> 00:14:15,653
Yeah, as soon as you come
into this house from outside,
312
00:14:15,655 --> 00:14:17,422
You immediately feel drained.
313
00:14:17,424 --> 00:14:21,092
You can watch them make us
sickly to the point
314
00:14:21,094 --> 00:14:22,126
Where we die.
315
00:14:22,128 --> 00:14:26,264
♪♪
316
00:14:26,266 --> 00:14:27,732
Amy: I'm getting a male.
317
00:14:27,734 --> 00:14:29,968
He's an older male.
He's shouting.
318
00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:31,769
He's like,
"just get out of here.
319
00:14:31,771 --> 00:14:36,541
This is mine.
Get out. Get out."
320
00:14:36,543 --> 00:14:38,676
Oh, he's angry. He's so angry.
321
00:14:38,678 --> 00:14:41,079
Oh, my lord.
322
00:14:41,081 --> 00:14:42,213
Ooh. Ooh, ooh, ooh.
323
00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:46,084
He's pissed off.
324
00:14:46,086 --> 00:14:48,586
I know he can interact
with the living.
325
00:14:48,588 --> 00:14:49,888
He's a pusher.
326
00:14:49,890 --> 00:14:53,892
So I think he's pushed people
down the stairs.
327
00:14:53,894 --> 00:14:58,796
I know that the living are
having experiences with him
328
00:14:58,798 --> 00:15:03,868
As far as him being
able to move their beds.
329
00:15:03,870 --> 00:15:08,106
I know that he takes great pride
in the fact
330
00:15:08,108 --> 00:15:12,110
That he can induce nightmares.
331
00:15:12,112 --> 00:15:14,679
All of a sudden,
I'm feeling choking.
332
00:15:14,681 --> 00:15:16,781
I'm feeling smothered.
333
00:15:16,783 --> 00:15:18,950
He doesn't want any living
people here.
334
00:15:18,952 --> 00:15:21,386
He's pretty much done
with everything.
335
00:15:21,388 --> 00:15:23,187
He's yelling and yelling
and yelling.
336
00:15:23,189 --> 00:15:25,490
All right.
I don't like him.
337
00:15:25,492 --> 00:15:28,293
He's bad.
338
00:15:28,295 --> 00:15:33,197
♪♪
339
00:15:35,702 --> 00:15:40,738
♪♪
340
00:15:40,740 --> 00:15:43,141
So before I got to town
I made my usual calls,
341
00:15:43,143 --> 00:15:45,610
Historians, archivists, cops.
342
00:15:45,612 --> 00:15:47,645
I just got a call back
from a genealogist
343
00:15:47,647 --> 00:15:49,047
Who did some digging for me.
344
00:15:49,049 --> 00:15:51,749
She says one of the early owners
of nicole's property
345
00:15:51,751 --> 00:15:53,918
Were quakers who suffered
a lot of death,
346
00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,987
And eventually managed
to get themselves
347
00:15:55,989 --> 00:15:57,588
Kicked out of their church.
348
00:15:57,590 --> 00:16:03,361
♪♪
349
00:16:03,363 --> 00:16:05,930
So julie, I appreciate you
helping me out with this case.
350
00:16:05,932 --> 00:16:07,198
Now, before we get
to the tragedy
351
00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:08,433
That happened to this family,
352
00:16:08,435 --> 00:16:09,701
I mean, what do we know
about them
353
00:16:09,703 --> 00:16:11,469
And when did they get
to my client's property?
354
00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:15,139
So david and mary sellers
inherited property in 1868.
355
00:16:15,141 --> 00:16:16,908
David was a craftsman,
356
00:16:16,910 --> 00:16:19,844
And he worked with leather
and metal for his trade.
357
00:16:19,846 --> 00:16:21,012
Okay. And mary basically...
358
00:16:21,014 --> 00:16:22,513
- Took care of the family.
- All right.
359
00:16:22,515 --> 00:16:24,449
So let's get to the tragedies,
what are we talking about?
360
00:16:24,451 --> 00:16:28,619
They had six children
and three of them died.
361
00:16:28,621 --> 00:16:30,621
Do we have any idea
what these kids died from?
362
00:16:30,623 --> 00:16:32,357
We don't know what
they died from.
363
00:16:32,359 --> 00:16:34,892
You said they inherited
the property in 1868,
364
00:16:34,894 --> 00:16:36,160
Is that when they moved in?
365
00:16:36,162 --> 00:16:40,365
No, 1874 they were able to
move into the house
366
00:16:40,367 --> 00:16:42,700
That they inherited
from mary's parents.
367
00:16:42,702 --> 00:16:44,202
And it's 1,000 feet away
368
00:16:44,204 --> 00:16:45,870
From where
your client's house is now.
369
00:16:45,872 --> 00:16:48,106
Okay, so did things get better
for them there? No.
370
00:16:48,108 --> 00:16:51,876
In 1877, the house
mysteriously caught on fire,
371
00:16:51,878 --> 00:16:54,245
And it burned to the ground.
372
00:16:54,247 --> 00:16:56,881
Now, you mentioned this family
got kicked out of the church.
373
00:16:56,883 --> 00:16:58,016
How did that happen?
374
00:16:58,018 --> 00:17:01,052
David had to resort
to selling products
375
00:17:01,054 --> 00:17:02,620
To the military
in order to survive,
376
00:17:02,622 --> 00:17:05,857
And quakers are very
nonviolent people.
377
00:17:05,859 --> 00:17:09,827
So in 1887 they disowned him
from the church.
378
00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:10,995
- They threw him out?
- Yeah.
379
00:17:10,997 --> 00:17:12,397
So what happened to him?
380
00:17:12,399 --> 00:17:14,499
So it's unfortunate,
but a couple months
381
00:17:14,501 --> 00:17:17,101
After he ended up
passing away.
382
00:17:17,103 --> 00:17:18,936
And he died of chronic
bronchitis.
383
00:17:18,938 --> 00:17:21,272
So he was, what, 71 years old
when he dies? Yeah, 71.
384
00:17:21,274 --> 00:17:23,841
- So does he die on the property?
- Yes.
385
00:17:23,843 --> 00:17:25,309
So when you said on the phone
this family
386
00:17:25,311 --> 00:17:27,545
Had some serious tragedy
going on, you weren't kidding.
387
00:17:27,547 --> 00:17:31,115
♪♪
388
00:17:31,117 --> 00:17:34,085
Amy: That old dead guy
is going crazy up here.
389
00:17:34,087 --> 00:17:38,456
♪♪
390
00:17:38,458 --> 00:17:41,492
He says, "this is mine.
It's going to remain mine."
391
00:17:41,494 --> 00:17:43,895
I feel like he owned
this place.
392
00:17:43,897 --> 00:17:46,697
I'd put him in his 70s.
393
00:17:46,699 --> 00:17:49,767
I'm getting that he was here
in the 1870s,
394
00:17:49,769 --> 00:17:52,837
And I hear '74,
395
00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:56,307
'74 was a big year for him.
396
00:17:56,309 --> 00:17:58,943
He feels cornered.
397
00:17:58,945 --> 00:18:03,281
He's got some weird obsession
with fire,
398
00:18:03,283 --> 00:18:05,216
Because he's like,
"this is it. I'm done.
399
00:18:05,218 --> 00:18:08,319
"this is the last [bleep] straw.
400
00:18:08,321 --> 00:18:10,721
"and I'm burning it down.
I've had it.
401
00:18:10,723 --> 00:18:14,525
I'm gonna burn this place
to the ground."
402
00:18:14,527 --> 00:18:16,294
So I just got a call
from the police
403
00:18:16,296 --> 00:18:18,129
Superintendent for upper darby.
404
00:18:18,131 --> 00:18:19,764
He says he found
a bizarre murder
405
00:18:19,766 --> 00:18:21,999
Right up the block
from nicole's property.
406
00:18:22,001 --> 00:18:23,534
Now, here's the weirdest part,
407
00:18:23,536 --> 00:18:26,070
He says the killer dropped
the victim's body parts
408
00:18:26,072 --> 00:18:27,105
All over the neighborhood.
409
00:18:27,107 --> 00:18:33,511
♪♪
410
00:18:33,513 --> 00:18:34,912
Superintendent chitwood,
I appreciate
411
00:18:34,914 --> 00:18:36,814
You helping me out
with this case.
412
00:18:36,816 --> 00:18:38,583
So what do we know
about our victim?
413
00:18:38,585 --> 00:18:43,721
The victim's name
was john dopirak, 33 years old.
414
00:18:43,723 --> 00:18:45,089
He was in world war ii.
415
00:18:45,091 --> 00:18:46,924
He was a purple heart winner.
416
00:18:46,926 --> 00:18:50,294
And when he came back,
he fell onto hard times,
417
00:18:50,296 --> 00:18:52,864
Became homeless,
started drinking.
418
00:18:52,866 --> 00:18:55,766
Okay. So the murder, take me
through what happened.
419
00:18:55,768 --> 00:18:59,770
April the 23rd of 1954,
420
00:18:59,772 --> 00:19:04,675
John is doing his usual drinking
in front of a local bar.
421
00:19:04,677 --> 00:19:08,946
John hooks up with a guy
by the name of francis ballem.
422
00:19:08,948 --> 00:19:10,915
What do we know about him?
423
00:19:10,917 --> 00:19:13,651
He was very, very eccentric,
424
00:19:13,653 --> 00:19:16,754
Flamboyant,
wears these crazy clothes.
425
00:19:16,756 --> 00:19:19,257
Both his parents
had passed away,
426
00:19:19,259 --> 00:19:21,959
Leaving him fairly well off.
427
00:19:21,961 --> 00:19:23,794
All right,
so what the hell happened?
428
00:19:23,796 --> 00:19:26,964
Ballem lured this guy
back to his house.
429
00:19:26,966 --> 00:19:29,066
All right, so they go back
to ballem's house,
430
00:19:29,068 --> 00:19:30,668
And that's where
the murder happens.
431
00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:33,070
Now, how far is that
from my client's property?
432
00:19:33,072 --> 00:19:34,672
Probably about 1,000 feet.
433
00:19:34,674 --> 00:19:35,973
Okay. So it's close.
434
00:19:35,975 --> 00:19:37,508
Okay. So what happens next?
435
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:41,913
Ballem shoots john twice
in the chest, killing him.
436
00:19:41,915 --> 00:19:44,916
Just to show you how heinous
this crime is,
437
00:19:44,918 --> 00:19:49,854
He took a blowtorch and
blowtorched the face of john,
438
00:19:49,856 --> 00:19:51,489
Along with his hands
and arms.
439
00:19:51,491 --> 00:19:53,791
Okay, so he's trying not to
have him identified.
440
00:19:53,793 --> 00:19:55,760
Right.
And then, subsequently,
441
00:19:55,762 --> 00:19:58,496
He dismembers him
and takes the body
442
00:19:58,498 --> 00:20:01,933
And puts the body
in some type of trunk -- okay.
443
00:20:01,935 --> 00:20:05,269
...And then takes the trunk to
one of the local trolley stops.
444
00:20:05,271 --> 00:20:10,875
So four days later police
discover this suitcase.
445
00:20:10,877 --> 00:20:12,543
Okay. So...
446
00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:14,045
It gets better.
447
00:20:14,047 --> 00:20:18,249
Inside the trunk is a brown
paper bag
448
00:20:18,251 --> 00:20:21,752
And it's got ballem,
b- a-l-l-e-m, will call.
449
00:20:21,754 --> 00:20:22,987
Not the sharpest knife
in the drawer.
450
00:20:22,989 --> 00:20:26,257
He doesn't leave that bag
with the body,
451
00:20:26,259 --> 00:20:28,025
We got nothing to go on.
- Right.
452
00:20:28,027 --> 00:20:33,331
This is ballem
identifying the deceased john.
453
00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:34,865
Okay.
454
00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:36,934
They asked him,
"is this the guy
455
00:20:36,936 --> 00:20:38,936
That you killed
and dismembered?"
456
00:20:38,938 --> 00:20:41,806
He said, "yeah. I'll never
forget the smile."
457
00:20:41,808 --> 00:20:45,209
He's placed in the institution
for the criminally insane
458
00:20:45,211 --> 00:20:49,247
And in 1991 he died
at the age of 67
459
00:20:49,249 --> 00:20:51,882
And he died as a result
of bleeding ulcers.
460
00:20:51,884 --> 00:20:53,184
This guy got off easy.
461
00:20:53,186 --> 00:20:55,486
In my opinion, he didn't
get what he deserved.
462
00:20:55,488 --> 00:20:58,756
♪♪
463
00:20:58,758 --> 00:21:01,158
Amy:
There's a dead guy out here.
464
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,893
He really doesn't want me here.
465
00:21:02,895 --> 00:21:08,199
I see him as a well-to-do male
dressed in equestrian clothing.
466
00:21:08,201 --> 00:21:09,900
I do feel that he was wealthy.
467
00:21:09,902 --> 00:21:14,772
I do feel that he came from
a well-to-do european family.
468
00:21:14,774 --> 00:21:17,008
He's short.
He's kind of hunched.
469
00:21:17,010 --> 00:21:18,909
Probably in his 30s.
470
00:21:18,911 --> 00:21:21,545
Then I hear,
he is the one who killed.
471
00:21:21,547 --> 00:21:24,982
♪♪
472
00:21:24,984 --> 00:21:27,718
There's another younger man
up here.
473
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,390
I would say, maybe,
he's in his 20s?
474
00:21:32,392 --> 00:21:37,261
So this guy is really scared,
475
00:21:37,263 --> 00:21:41,832
Like, he can't breathe.
476
00:21:41,834 --> 00:21:43,601
He can't breathe.
477
00:21:43,603 --> 00:21:45,736
It's like the darkness
just closing in on him
478
00:21:45,738 --> 00:21:47,405
And smothering him,
and he can't breathe.
479
00:21:47,407 --> 00:21:49,206
He can't get a breath.
480
00:21:49,208 --> 00:21:58,049
♪♪
481
00:21:58,051 --> 00:22:00,251
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482
00:22:00,253 --> 00:22:01,752
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483
00:22:01,754 --> 00:22:03,888
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484
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485
00:22:07,260 --> 00:22:09,393
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486
00:22:09,395 --> 00:22:10,528
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487
00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:18,803
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488
00:22:18,805 --> 00:22:21,272
Steve: So far, I have a family
terrified something
489
00:22:21,274 --> 00:22:23,374
In their house
is trying to kill them.
490
00:22:23,376 --> 00:22:25,810
In the neighborhood where
a gruesome murder occurred,
491
00:22:25,812 --> 00:22:28,312
But I want to see
if there's anything else.
492
00:22:28,314 --> 00:22:32,016
Searching through old records,
I find another brutal homicide.
493
00:22:32,018 --> 00:22:34,151
Turns out the killer
lived right down the street
494
00:22:34,153 --> 00:22:35,886
From nicole's house.
495
00:22:35,888 --> 00:22:38,589
So I'm headed out to meet
a retired cop and historian
496
00:22:38,591 --> 00:22:40,725
Who looked
into this homicide for me.
497
00:22:40,727 --> 00:22:43,561
Now, he says the victim was
an outgoing woman
498
00:22:43,563 --> 00:22:45,363
Who fell for the wrong guy,
499
00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:47,531
And she paid
the ultimate price for it.
500
00:22:47,533 --> 00:22:53,571
♪♪
501
00:22:53,573 --> 00:22:55,606
This murder that I came across
in my research,
502
00:22:55,608 --> 00:22:57,641
What do we know
about this female victim?
503
00:22:57,643 --> 00:23:00,311
The woman's name
was anna dietrick.
504
00:23:00,313 --> 00:23:02,179
She was 35 years old.
505
00:23:02,181 --> 00:23:06,384
And this is
a picture of her.
506
00:23:06,386 --> 00:23:08,552
Okay. So now we know
who the victim is.
507
00:23:08,554 --> 00:23:10,287
What were the circumstances
of her murder?
508
00:23:10,289 --> 00:23:14,859
Well, in early January 1926,
she just disappeared.
509
00:23:14,861 --> 00:23:15,893
Okay.
510
00:23:15,895 --> 00:23:17,928
No one knew
what happened to her,
511
00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:19,764
And a few days later
body parts
512
00:23:19,766 --> 00:23:23,300
Began popping up out
in delaware county.
513
00:23:23,302 --> 00:23:27,238
The first thing they found
was her torso and legs,
514
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,175
And then they also found a head
about 2,000 feet
515
00:23:31,177 --> 00:23:33,110
From your client's home today.
516
00:23:33,112 --> 00:23:36,747
When they found her head, it
was wrapped in this bloody rug.
517
00:23:36,749 --> 00:23:40,084
The relatives came and they
positively identified the head
518
00:23:40,086 --> 00:23:41,986
As belonging to anna dietrick.
519
00:23:41,988 --> 00:23:43,988
This is the second murder
near my client's house
520
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:47,425
That involved chopping up
the victim's body.
521
00:23:47,427 --> 00:23:48,659
I know, it's weird.
522
00:23:48,661 --> 00:23:50,060
So keith, you had mentioned
on the phone
523
00:23:50,062 --> 00:23:52,863
That she, obviously,
fell for the wrong guy.
524
00:23:52,865 --> 00:23:55,599
- I'm assuming that's our perp?
- Yes.
525
00:23:55,601 --> 00:23:57,668
The family said she had been
dating this doctor,
526
00:23:57,670 --> 00:23:59,837
David marshall.
- Okay.
527
00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:01,739
He was supposedly
a chiropractor,
528
00:24:01,741 --> 00:24:04,608
But he was not
a licensed chiropractor.
529
00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:07,812
He was a salesman by trade,
and his house was about
530
00:24:07,814 --> 00:24:11,015
1,500 feet away
from your client's home.
531
00:24:11,017 --> 00:24:13,150
And when they searched
his house,
532
00:24:13,152 --> 00:24:16,153
They found the exact same rug
that had been found
533
00:24:16,155 --> 00:24:17,988
With the head with
a little bit of blood on it.
534
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:21,158
And basically, you know,
the rugs matched perfectly.
535
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,393
Okay.
536
00:24:22,395 --> 00:24:25,429
They also found some
bloody rags in his house.
537
00:24:25,431 --> 00:24:29,567
Okay. So this genius had lots of
the crime scene at his house?
538
00:24:29,569 --> 00:24:30,868
Right.
539
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:34,104
And the police arrested him
right then and there.
540
00:24:34,106 --> 00:24:37,107
Marshall finally admitted
to the police
541
00:24:37,109 --> 00:24:40,511
That he had murdered
anna dietrick
542
00:24:40,513 --> 00:24:43,247
By putting several
handkerchiefs in her mouth
543
00:24:43,249 --> 00:24:45,449
And then choking her
with his bare hands.
544
00:24:45,451 --> 00:24:47,852
And this is her death
certificate right here,
545
00:24:47,854 --> 00:24:50,721
And it even has his name
on the death certificate.
546
00:24:50,723 --> 00:24:53,224
"compression of the throat
at the hands of david marshall."
547
00:24:53,226 --> 00:24:56,293
They already have him
convicted in this report? Yes.
548
00:24:56,295 --> 00:24:57,862
All right.
So we know how he killed her.
549
00:24:57,864 --> 00:24:59,196
Why does he kill her?
550
00:24:59,198 --> 00:25:00,397
Well, marshall had been married
551
00:25:00,399 --> 00:25:03,033
The whole time
that he was dating her,
552
00:25:03,035 --> 00:25:04,802
You know,
and he finally got caught.
553
00:25:04,804 --> 00:25:06,470
So he was just scared that
she was going to
554
00:25:06,472 --> 00:25:08,506
Blackmail him for money.
555
00:25:08,508 --> 00:25:09,907
He goes to trial.
What happened?
556
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:12,843
He was sentenced to
10 to 20 years in jail.
557
00:25:12,845 --> 00:25:15,045
How much time
does he actually do?
558
00:25:15,047 --> 00:25:16,814
He did 10 years.
559
00:25:16,816 --> 00:25:19,316
He was paroled in 1936.
560
00:25:19,318 --> 00:25:20,684
Okay.
561
00:25:20,686 --> 00:25:24,321
And then after he was paroled,
he moved to florida.
562
00:25:24,323 --> 00:25:27,825
He remarried, and he died
in florida
563
00:25:27,827 --> 00:25:30,361
At the age of 68
of a heart attack.
564
00:25:30,363 --> 00:25:32,630
Well, when you said she made
the wrong choice,
565
00:25:32,632 --> 00:25:33,864
You weren't kidding.
566
00:25:33,866 --> 00:25:35,866
She thought she had a good guy
with her doctor,
567
00:25:35,868 --> 00:25:37,468
And turned out he's probably
568
00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:39,336
The worst choice
she could've made.
569
00:25:39,338 --> 00:25:43,240
Okay.
570
00:25:43,242 --> 00:25:44,675
Amy: Wow.
571
00:25:44,677 --> 00:25:49,013
There is a woman
buried down here.
572
00:25:49,015 --> 00:25:51,849
It's the woman who looks
like the dark blob.
573
00:25:51,851 --> 00:25:55,686
She was murdered
and was buried near here.
574
00:25:55,688 --> 00:25:58,956
♪♪
575
00:25:58,958 --> 00:26:01,825
Any idea what she looked like?
Who she was?
576
00:26:01,827 --> 00:26:05,829
She was young,
late 20s early 30s.
577
00:26:05,831 --> 00:26:06,931
Okay.
578
00:26:06,933 --> 00:26:10,100
She was strangled
579
00:26:10,102 --> 00:26:13,637
And hit in the head.
580
00:26:13,639 --> 00:26:18,776
She started haunting the place
as soon as this happened.
581
00:26:18,778 --> 00:26:21,512
Then she turned into
that black thing,
582
00:26:21,514 --> 00:26:23,514
Because that's how
she feels about herself.
583
00:26:23,516 --> 00:26:29,720
♪♪
584
00:26:29,722 --> 00:26:32,957
I saw a lot of disturbing things
on my walk,
585
00:26:32,959 --> 00:26:35,626
But the angry man pushing
a living person down
586
00:26:35,628 --> 00:26:38,095
The stairs
has me the most concerned.
587
00:26:38,097 --> 00:26:41,198
He was, I think, in his 70s,
maybe?
588
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:46,503
He's got a little bit of hair,
but not much.
589
00:26:46,505 --> 00:26:49,840
- A little thinner in the face.
- Okay.
590
00:26:49,842 --> 00:26:53,877
I know he was, like,
average build.
591
00:26:53,879 --> 00:26:57,915
And someone is in motion
of falling down the stairs.
592
00:26:57,917 --> 00:27:03,587
♪♪
593
00:27:03,589 --> 00:27:06,390
Amy, is this what you saw?
594
00:27:06,392 --> 00:27:07,725
Yes.
595
00:27:07,727 --> 00:27:12,596
♪♪
596
00:27:14,867 --> 00:27:21,138
♪♪
597
00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:27,845
♪♪
598
00:27:27,847 --> 00:27:30,781
Steve: Now that amy and I have
completed our investigations,
599
00:27:30,783 --> 00:27:33,083
We're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
600
00:27:33,085 --> 00:27:36,820
And our clients
for the first time.
601
00:27:36,822 --> 00:27:39,723
So amy, this is nicole
and her daughter, bethany.
602
00:27:39,725 --> 00:27:42,760
Now, they live here
with nicole's two other kids.
603
00:27:42,762 --> 00:27:47,231
There's nikiva, who's 17,
and this is darren, who's 8.
604
00:27:47,233 --> 00:27:49,266
Now, over the past seven years,
605
00:27:49,268 --> 00:27:52,269
Activity here has scared
this family so bad nicole says
606
00:27:52,271 --> 00:27:55,506
She's moving out regardless
of what you tell her tonight.
607
00:27:55,508 --> 00:27:57,574
But, they're hoping you can
make this place safe
608
00:27:57,576 --> 00:27:58,776
So they can sell it
609
00:27:58,778 --> 00:28:01,045
Without putting another family
through hell.
610
00:28:01,047 --> 00:28:02,980
Now that amy knows
who you guys are,
611
00:28:02,982 --> 00:28:04,848
I'll ask her to describe
her walk for us.
612
00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:08,485
♪♪
613
00:28:08,487 --> 00:28:13,123
This area is extremely active.
614
00:28:13,125 --> 00:28:15,926
There was probably about
30 or 40 dead people
615
00:28:15,928 --> 00:28:21,365
That were converging outside,
and I was really overwhelmed.
616
00:28:21,367 --> 00:28:24,535
You would, maybe,
see apparitions out in the road,
617
00:28:24,537 --> 00:28:27,604
But the most likely way
you would experience them
618
00:28:27,606 --> 00:28:31,909
Is emotionally,
feeling anxious or on edge.
619
00:28:31,911 --> 00:28:33,811
Amy, the emotional things
you describe sound similar
620
00:28:33,813 --> 00:28:36,313
To how these two describe
every day life here.
621
00:28:36,315 --> 00:28:40,150
Yes, I have anxiety disorder.
622
00:28:40,152 --> 00:28:42,419
So at any given time
623
00:28:42,421 --> 00:28:46,190
I could be happy, carefree,
624
00:28:46,192 --> 00:28:50,360
And at the next second
I could be snapping angry.
625
00:28:50,362 --> 00:28:53,097
♪♪
626
00:28:53,099 --> 00:28:54,698
All right. So what else?
627
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:58,135
So I went up into
the attic bedroom,
628
00:28:58,137 --> 00:29:02,573
And I saw this...
629
00:29:02,575 --> 00:29:05,008
Black blob.
630
00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:08,112
And I kind of felt like people
might see it coming out
631
00:29:08,114 --> 00:29:12,449
Of closets,
moving across the ceilings,
632
00:29:12,451 --> 00:29:15,686
Smothering the living person
in particular
633
00:29:15,688 --> 00:29:17,755
In that room in the bed.
634
00:29:17,757 --> 00:29:20,257
Steve: Now, bethany used to
sleep in that attic.
635
00:29:20,259 --> 00:29:22,626
I couldn't take it anymore.
636
00:29:22,628 --> 00:29:26,597
It was one particular afternoon
where I was laying in bed
637
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:30,634
And this really tall shadow,
solid black thing,
638
00:29:30,636 --> 00:29:32,870
Cruised around my bed,
strolled over,
639
00:29:32,872 --> 00:29:34,938
And just jumped on top of me.
- Mm.
640
00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:37,674
I couldn't breathe.
I couldn't talk.
641
00:29:37,676 --> 00:29:40,477
I really thought that
I was going to die.
642
00:29:40,479 --> 00:29:41,812
[ glasses thud ]
643
00:29:41,814 --> 00:29:45,749
♪♪
644
00:29:45,751 --> 00:29:48,352
So I'm standing at the top
of the stairs, right there.
645
00:29:48,354 --> 00:29:51,722
And I see that thing
turning into, like, a dead body
646
00:29:51,724 --> 00:29:53,023
Being rolled up into,
647
00:29:53,025 --> 00:29:56,527
Like, a carpet or, like,
in a body bag thing,
648
00:29:56,529 --> 00:30:00,631
And then being dragged
down the stairs.
649
00:30:00,633 --> 00:30:05,402
And when I saw it in that form,
I felt extraordinarily drained
650
00:30:05,404 --> 00:30:09,840
So I definitely thought
you guys might experience that.
651
00:30:09,842 --> 00:30:15,379
I don't have any energy,
652
00:30:15,381 --> 00:30:17,114
At all.
653
00:30:17,116 --> 00:30:20,517
Sometimes I can barely get
out of bed in the morning.
654
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:25,088
I finally did figure out that
this is a deceased female.
655
00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:27,257
She just shows herself that way
656
00:30:27,259 --> 00:30:29,593
Because that's how
she feels about herself.
657
00:30:29,595 --> 00:30:31,395
Like, she feels like
she's a mess.
658
00:30:31,397 --> 00:30:33,764
Did you get anything else from
this woman, when she was alive?
659
00:30:33,766 --> 00:30:34,865
She was young.
660
00:30:34,867 --> 00:30:37,134
I would put her in her 20s
or early 30s.
661
00:30:37,136 --> 00:30:41,772
She was in a horrible
abusive relationship.
662
00:30:41,774 --> 00:30:46,376
They had some horrible,
horrible fight that ended
663
00:30:46,378 --> 00:30:49,746
With her
falling down the stairs.
664
00:30:49,748 --> 00:30:52,115
I do believe that
she was murdered.
665
00:30:52,117 --> 00:30:55,285
I got that she was strangled
and hit in the head,
666
00:30:55,287 --> 00:30:59,556
And I believe that
she was buried near here.
667
00:30:59,558 --> 00:31:02,960
Well, I got an idea of who that
woman might have been, actually.
668
00:31:02,962 --> 00:31:05,095
Now, she was a murder victim
from around here.
669
00:31:05,097 --> 00:31:08,232
Her name was anna dietrick
and she was 35 years old.
670
00:31:08,234 --> 00:31:12,302
She dated a local chiropractor
by the name of david marshall
671
00:31:12,304 --> 00:31:15,572
For at least six years,
only to find out in 1926
672
00:31:15,574 --> 00:31:16,673
That he was married
the whole time.
673
00:31:16,675 --> 00:31:18,976
[ gasps ] mm.
674
00:31:18,978 --> 00:31:21,345
So now this guy was afraid
anna was gonna tell his wife
675
00:31:21,347 --> 00:31:23,780
Or blackmail him for money.
676
00:31:23,782 --> 00:31:26,917
So marshall took the woman
back to his apartment
677
00:31:26,919 --> 00:31:29,486
And murdered her, which is
about 1,500 feet from here.
678
00:31:29,488 --> 00:31:32,122
♪♪
679
00:31:32,124 --> 00:31:33,857
He stuffed her mouth
full of handkerchiefs
680
00:31:33,859 --> 00:31:36,360
And strangled her to death.
- Oh, my god.
681
00:31:36,362 --> 00:31:40,197
I got her death certificate
right here.
682
00:31:40,199 --> 00:31:41,365
Now, you said you thought
the woman you saw
683
00:31:41,367 --> 00:31:44,234
Was buried near here.
684
00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:47,671
Well, after marshall killed her,
he dismembered her body,
685
00:31:47,673 --> 00:31:50,007
And ditched her body parts
all around town.
686
00:31:50,009 --> 00:31:52,809
- That's so horrible.
- Damn.
687
00:31:52,811 --> 00:31:55,545
So he ditched her arm
in a park nearby.
688
00:31:55,547 --> 00:31:57,881
Then he rolled her
decapitated head in carpet --
689
00:31:57,883 --> 00:31:59,082
- Oh, my god.
- Oh, [bleep].
690
00:31:59,084 --> 00:32:00,951
...And discarded it near
some train tracks
691
00:32:00,953 --> 00:32:05,389
About 2,000 feet from here.
692
00:32:05,391 --> 00:32:08,191
Marshall wound up confessing
to the murder,
693
00:32:08,193 --> 00:32:11,061
But get this,
he only served 10 years.
694
00:32:11,063 --> 00:32:12,095
- What?
- You're kidding me.
695
00:32:12,097 --> 00:32:16,833
I actually have a photo of her.
696
00:32:16,835 --> 00:32:18,902
Think this is
the woman you saw?
697
00:32:18,904 --> 00:32:19,937
Well, sure.
698
00:32:19,939 --> 00:32:22,306
- I mean, she was strangled.
- Mm.
699
00:32:22,308 --> 00:32:24,207
He rolled her head in a carpet.
700
00:32:24,209 --> 00:32:26,176
That's absolutely horrible.
701
00:32:26,178 --> 00:32:28,178
Steve: What does she want
with these guys?
702
00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:31,214
What I gathered was that
her boyfriend
703
00:32:31,216 --> 00:32:35,886
Was still abusing her in death,
704
00:32:35,888 --> 00:32:38,755
And that's why
she's always hiding.
705
00:32:38,757 --> 00:32:41,191
Now, here's the problem,
706
00:32:41,193 --> 00:32:46,163
Is that
she's hiding inside...
707
00:32:46,165 --> 00:32:49,800
...You.
708
00:32:49,802 --> 00:32:52,836
It actually is very dangerous
for you.
709
00:32:52,838 --> 00:32:57,941
I wanted to ask you,
have you fallen down the stairs?
710
00:32:57,943 --> 00:33:02,245
I have had so many accidents
on those steps.
711
00:33:02,247 --> 00:33:05,015
I could be holding on to
712
00:33:05,017 --> 00:33:08,552
The railing
and then I just fall,
713
00:33:08,554 --> 00:33:12,856
And I fall all the way
714
00:33:12,858 --> 00:33:16,193
All the way down the steps.
715
00:33:16,195 --> 00:33:18,662
It's not normal.
716
00:33:18,664 --> 00:33:23,500
So something that really
concerned me is that,
717
00:33:23,502 --> 00:33:28,538
The dead guy, he sees you but
when he sees you he sees her.
718
00:33:28,540 --> 00:33:33,043
And so
now he's beating on you.
719
00:33:33,045 --> 00:33:37,848
And what I saw was not
necessarily you feeling punches,
720
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:42,152
But getting wicked, like,
muscle spasms,
721
00:33:42,154 --> 00:33:45,022
Sharp pains for no reason.
722
00:33:45,024 --> 00:33:50,060
♪♪
723
00:33:50,062 --> 00:33:54,264
I feel like the repetitive abuse
that he's causing could lead
724
00:33:54,266 --> 00:33:58,368
To kidney, bladder,
and stomach issues.
725
00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:00,270
I have digestive issues.
726
00:34:00,272 --> 00:34:02,739
I'm in constant pain
every day.
727
00:34:02,741 --> 00:34:04,207
It feels like I've been hit.
728
00:34:04,209 --> 00:34:07,444
It feels like I've been
tortured in my sleep.
729
00:34:07,446 --> 00:34:09,212
I've tried to get her
out the house
730
00:34:09,214 --> 00:34:12,115
And she has no energy
to leave.
731
00:34:12,117 --> 00:34:16,286
It makes sense, because you have
a dead person inside you,
732
00:34:16,288 --> 00:34:18,555
All the time.
733
00:34:18,557 --> 00:34:21,491
- Her body is breaking down --
- mm-hmm.
734
00:34:21,493 --> 00:34:24,361
...Because you're also
an empath,
735
00:34:24,363 --> 00:34:26,263
Which is why she probably
tried to hide in you.
736
00:34:26,265 --> 00:34:30,901
♪♪
737
00:34:30,903 --> 00:34:35,705
One of the other threats
is an elderly man,
738
00:34:35,707 --> 00:34:38,875
Very angry, very nasty.
739
00:34:38,877 --> 00:34:42,212
Got that he was probably
in his late 70s.
740
00:34:42,214 --> 00:34:43,980
I'm thinking
he owned this house.
741
00:34:43,982 --> 00:34:49,719
I got very clearly that '74
was a huge year for him,
742
00:34:49,721 --> 00:34:50,954
And he kept saying,
743
00:34:50,956 --> 00:34:53,757
"if I can't live here
in peace by myself,
744
00:34:53,759 --> 00:34:56,493
I'm just gonna burn the whole
[bleep] place down."
745
00:34:56,495 --> 00:34:59,930
Couple of things you said
did remind me
746
00:34:59,932 --> 00:35:01,832
Of one of the early owners
of the property.
747
00:35:01,834 --> 00:35:04,167
His name was david sellers,
and he was a descendant
748
00:35:04,169 --> 00:35:07,838
Of some of the original quakers
that settled in this area.
749
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,073
He was a laborer
and a tradesman.
750
00:35:10,075 --> 00:35:12,742
Now, you mentioned
'74 was a big year --
751
00:35:12,744 --> 00:35:14,945
- Yeah.
- ...For this guy?
752
00:35:14,947 --> 00:35:19,883
Well, he moved his family
onto this property back in 1874.
753
00:35:19,885 --> 00:35:21,017
A little while later,
754
00:35:21,019 --> 00:35:22,486
The sellers family home
caught fire,
755
00:35:22,488 --> 00:35:24,588
Destroying everything inside.
756
00:35:24,590 --> 00:35:27,457
Those fires left him
in bad shape financially.
757
00:35:27,459 --> 00:35:28,792
Now, in order
to make ends meet,
758
00:35:28,794 --> 00:35:31,628
He had to sell products
to the local military.
759
00:35:31,630 --> 00:35:34,164
Now, quakers are
strictly nonviolent
760
00:35:34,166 --> 00:35:35,599
So they kicked him
out of the church --
761
00:35:35,601 --> 00:35:37,667
- Okay.
- ...In 1887.
762
00:35:37,669 --> 00:35:43,039
So he died two months later
from chronic bronchitis,
763
00:35:43,041 --> 00:35:45,242
And he was 71 years old
when he died.
764
00:35:45,244 --> 00:35:48,145
And he died right here
on this property. Mm.
765
00:35:48,147 --> 00:35:50,046
Now, could this be the guy
up in the attic?
766
00:35:50,048 --> 00:35:54,151
I mean, it sounds
a lot like him.
767
00:35:54,153 --> 00:35:56,419
So you mentioned that this guy
is a real threat,
768
00:35:56,421 --> 00:35:57,621
What could he do to them?
769
00:35:57,623 --> 00:35:59,689
He said he hates living people
in his space.
770
00:35:59,691 --> 00:36:02,225
He tries to lash out
every chance he gets.
771
00:36:02,227 --> 00:36:06,463
I know that he takes
great pride in the fact
772
00:36:06,465 --> 00:36:11,201
That he can induce nightmares.
773
00:36:11,203 --> 00:36:14,571
He goes, "I find out exactly
what scares them."
774
00:36:14,573 --> 00:36:17,908
♪♪
775
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:21,278
And he puts it into your mind.
776
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,214
He's given me horrible dreams.
777
00:36:24,216 --> 00:36:28,118
[ crying ]
778
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,619
Steve:
She has some nightmares, too.
779
00:36:29,621 --> 00:36:32,756
- I have a fear of ets.
- Oof.
780
00:36:32,758 --> 00:36:38,094
And I will have this dream
very often,
781
00:36:38,096 --> 00:36:40,330
Basically the same scenario
each time.
782
00:36:40,332 --> 00:36:42,499
I'm being abducted.
783
00:36:42,501 --> 00:36:44,935
I'm being experimented on.
784
00:36:44,937 --> 00:36:46,803
What else is this guy
doing to them?
785
00:36:46,805 --> 00:36:50,874
I did see him pushing somebody
down the stairs.
786
00:36:50,876 --> 00:36:52,375
Oh, my god.
787
00:36:52,377 --> 00:36:54,844
Just let me get this straight,
what's happening to nicole
788
00:36:54,846 --> 00:36:56,213
And her stumbling down
the stairs
789
00:36:56,215 --> 00:36:58,682
Is from this woman
that's been abused by this guy
790
00:36:58,684 --> 00:37:02,018
And bethany is being tripped
by this old guy?
791
00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:03,887
Yeah.
792
00:37:03,889 --> 00:37:05,956
So I did have a sketch
done of that.
793
00:37:05,958 --> 00:37:14,864
♪♪
794
00:37:14,866 --> 00:37:17,467
Geez.
795
00:37:17,469 --> 00:37:21,638
♪♪
796
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,507
It is horrible.
797
00:37:24,509 --> 00:37:28,545
♪♪
798
00:37:28,547 --> 00:37:31,615
I was walking down the stairs
and I was holding on
799
00:37:31,617 --> 00:37:34,184
And I felt something
sweep my feet
800
00:37:34,186 --> 00:37:37,721
And I slid down
the entire flight of stairs.
801
00:37:37,723 --> 00:37:41,891
Like, fell and I busted up
my leg really bad. [ inhales sharply ]
802
00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:44,294
I'm supposed to protect
and I can't protect
803
00:37:44,296 --> 00:37:49,266
Because I can't grab this
[bleep] and choke its ass out.
804
00:37:49,268 --> 00:37:50,400
♪♪
805
00:37:50,402 --> 00:37:53,103
Sometimes I get pissed off
and I talk to them
806
00:37:53,105 --> 00:37:55,672
And I tell them that
I'm tired of their [bleep].
807
00:37:55,674 --> 00:37:57,540
Get the [bleep]
out of my house.
808
00:37:57,542 --> 00:37:59,209
Leave us alone.
809
00:37:59,211 --> 00:38:00,543
You know, you're picking
on my kids
810
00:38:00,545 --> 00:38:02,345
Why don't you come
and pick on me?
811
00:38:02,347 --> 00:38:06,182
The threat I'm worried
about right now is with him.
812
00:38:06,184 --> 00:38:08,585
He said that us being here
was the last straw.
813
00:38:08,587 --> 00:38:10,787
He said that --
814
00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:13,556
He goes, "that's it. I'm gonna
burn the place down."
815
00:38:13,558 --> 00:38:15,458
I do think he is capable
of doing it.
816
00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:20,096
[ sniffles ]
817
00:38:20,098 --> 00:38:22,932
[ sniffles ]
818
00:38:22,934 --> 00:38:27,637
♪♪
819
00:38:30,042 --> 00:38:36,646
♪♪
820
00:38:36,648 --> 00:38:39,149
So nicole, bethany, the two
of you have obviously
821
00:38:39,151 --> 00:38:41,584
Been through hell here,
and nobody can really blame you
822
00:38:41,586 --> 00:38:43,219
For wanting to pack up
and leave.
823
00:38:43,221 --> 00:38:44,754
So now for the big question,
is there anything you can do
824
00:38:44,756 --> 00:38:46,222
To stop
the violent activity here?
825
00:38:46,224 --> 00:38:49,292
I saw that you could protect
your kids, repair your health,
826
00:38:49,294 --> 00:38:51,294
And move
your beautiful family on
827
00:38:51,296 --> 00:38:54,464
To another place where
you could start over again.
828
00:38:54,466 --> 00:38:56,099
For that answer, I'm gonna
turn it over to amy.
829
00:38:56,101 --> 00:38:59,669
♪♪
830
00:38:59,671 --> 00:39:04,107
Because of the location
the house is in,
831
00:39:04,109 --> 00:39:08,778
It's like you live
in the town of the dead.
832
00:39:08,780 --> 00:39:14,284
It's inundated with really
bad negative energy.
833
00:39:14,286 --> 00:39:16,586
Oh.
834
00:39:16,588 --> 00:39:19,089
I personally would never
835
00:39:19,091 --> 00:39:23,426
Live here, as a sensitive.
836
00:39:23,428 --> 00:39:25,328
- I still want to leave.
- Okay.
837
00:39:25,330 --> 00:39:26,896
I knew
I wanted to leave before
838
00:39:26,898 --> 00:39:30,233
And I want to leave
even more now.
839
00:39:30,235 --> 00:39:33,603
So even if you were
to move tomorrow,
840
00:39:33,605 --> 00:39:35,905
There are still some things
you would have to do
841
00:39:35,907 --> 00:39:38,274
To protect yourself.
842
00:39:38,276 --> 00:39:40,443
The first thing
that would be done
843
00:39:40,445 --> 00:39:44,280
Is to remove
the woman from you.
844
00:39:44,282 --> 00:39:47,217
So I can have my team
come in,
845
00:39:47,219 --> 00:39:51,521
And they would have to
slowly pull her out of you.
846
00:39:51,523 --> 00:39:54,224
This could take some time
847
00:39:54,226 --> 00:39:56,726
Because she's become
848
00:39:56,728 --> 00:39:58,828
So intertwined with you,
849
00:39:58,830 --> 00:40:02,432
And it could also be
somewhat physically painful.
850
00:40:02,434 --> 00:40:05,802
But once they're done
and they get her out,
851
00:40:05,804 --> 00:40:07,237
They're gonna move her on.
852
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,707
- Okay.
- Once all of that is done,
853
00:40:10,709 --> 00:40:13,143
You will need to learn
about your abilities.
854
00:40:13,145 --> 00:40:18,381
My recommendation for you
is that you need to shut down
855
00:40:18,383 --> 00:40:24,053
For a few years,
because you need to recover.
856
00:40:24,055 --> 00:40:28,291
Oh, my gosh.
You need to let your body heal.
857
00:40:28,293 --> 00:40:32,162
So if you have this woman
removed, and move out of here.
858
00:40:32,164 --> 00:40:35,031
No more nightmares.
No more physical attacks.
859
00:40:35,033 --> 00:40:36,900
Sounds like you're gonna
feel better.
860
00:40:36,902 --> 00:40:38,268
- Right?
- Right.
861
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:39,502
Maybe they'll be able to get
862
00:40:39,504 --> 00:40:41,070
A good night's
sleep here and there?
863
00:40:41,072 --> 00:40:43,206
- Right.
- That would make me so happy,
864
00:40:43,208 --> 00:40:46,443
For my kids to just
have a normal life,
865
00:40:46,445 --> 00:40:49,612
Because they've been robbed.
866
00:40:49,614 --> 00:40:50,847
What are you gonna do?
867
00:40:50,849 --> 00:40:52,482
I'm gonna do what amy said,
868
00:40:52,484 --> 00:40:55,785
And I will have to pray
for the next person
869
00:40:55,787 --> 00:40:58,054
That buys my home,
that's all I can do.
870
00:40:58,056 --> 00:41:00,924
So bethany, you ready to help
mom take care of business?
871
00:41:00,926 --> 00:41:02,425
Yes, asap.
872
00:41:02,427 --> 00:41:05,161
Soon as I can.
Got to get this done.
873
00:41:05,163 --> 00:41:06,629
Mm-hmm.
874
00:41:06,631 --> 00:41:09,399
There's light at the end
of the tunnel.
875
00:41:09,401 --> 00:41:11,000
There is some hope.
876
00:41:11,002 --> 00:41:14,170
I'm very grateful for that.
877
00:41:14,172 --> 00:41:16,206
Thank you.
878
00:41:16,208 --> 00:41:18,274
Amy: I really hope nicole
follows my advice
879
00:41:18,276 --> 00:41:21,211
And removes the dead woman
inside her body.
880
00:41:21,213 --> 00:41:23,746
If she does that,
shuts down her abilities,
881
00:41:23,748 --> 00:41:27,016
And moves her family
as far away as possible,
882
00:41:27,018 --> 00:41:29,352
They can find peace
somewhere new.
883
00:41:29,354 --> 00:41:32,822
♪♪
884
00:41:32,824 --> 00:41:34,023
Hello, "dead files."
885
00:41:34,025 --> 00:41:36,526
This is nicole and bethany.
886
00:41:36,528 --> 00:41:41,130
First, I want to thank
amy and steve for coming out.
887
00:41:41,132 --> 00:41:45,068
Amy's crew,
that came out to help us,
888
00:41:45,070 --> 00:41:50,740
They removed all the entities
that amy said to move.
889
00:41:50,742 --> 00:41:55,211
Things have gotten better,
but we still have activity.
890
00:41:55,213 --> 00:41:56,746
♪♪
891
00:41:56,748 --> 00:42:00,650
[ owl hooting ]
892
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:05,250
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