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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,478 --> 00:00:13,278 Amy: Something very bad happened here. 2 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,981 She's talking about killing people. 3 00:00:15,983 --> 00:00:18,717 I'm trying to protect my kids through all of this. 4 00:00:18,719 --> 00:00:21,987 Whatever it is that's here, I think it could kill one of us. 5 00:00:21,989 --> 00:00:26,458 I know that someone is gonna die. 6 00:00:26,460 --> 00:00:28,727 Our fight is not with flesh and blood, 7 00:00:28,729 --> 00:00:32,097 But with the powers of this dark world. 8 00:00:32,099 --> 00:00:34,767 They would like to drive you insane. 9 00:00:37,338 --> 00:00:39,805 Amy: This is bad. 10 00:00:39,807 --> 00:00:42,508 I'm hearing "the devil's triangle.' 11 00:00:42,510 --> 00:00:44,977 My name is amy allan. 12 00:00:44,979 --> 00:00:46,345 I see dead people. 13 00:00:46,347 --> 00:00:48,847 I think he might have been a stalker. 14 00:00:48,849 --> 00:00:52,918 I speak to dead people, and they speak to me. 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,987 He will kill you. He has killed people. 16 00:00:54,989 --> 00:00:58,457 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 17 00:00:58,459 --> 00:01:00,325 They're being possessed. 18 00:01:00,327 --> 00:01:01,960 I rely on my partner. 19 00:01:01,962 --> 00:01:03,328 I'm steve di schiavi. 20 00:01:03,330 --> 00:01:05,364 I'm a retired new york city homicide detective. 21 00:01:05,366 --> 00:01:07,166 How many people have died here over the years? 22 00:01:07,168 --> 00:01:10,903 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 23 00:01:10,905 --> 00:01:12,404 It's my job to reveal them. 24 00:01:12,406 --> 00:01:14,339 But steve and I never speak... 25 00:01:14,341 --> 00:01:16,408 We never communicate during an investigation. 26 00:01:16,410 --> 00:01:17,810 ...Until the very end. 27 00:01:17,812 --> 00:01:19,778 This sketch is like a nightmare. 28 00:01:19,780 --> 00:01:21,847 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay. 29 00:01:21,849 --> 00:01:24,383 I never thought that the biggest problem was me. 30 00:01:24,385 --> 00:01:26,018 Or time to get out. 31 00:01:26,020 --> 00:01:28,821 He could more than likely kill you. 32 00:01:43,337 --> 00:01:45,737 So, I'm back out here in toledo, ohio. 33 00:01:45,739 --> 00:01:47,873 I had gotten a call from a mom named jennifer. 34 00:01:47,875 --> 00:01:49,875 Now, 2 years ago, she moved her family 35 00:01:49,877 --> 00:01:52,544 To what she thought would be their dream home. 36 00:01:52,546 --> 00:01:55,614 Instead, they've been grabbed, scratched, smacked, 37 00:01:55,616 --> 00:01:57,216 And basically terrorized. 38 00:01:57,218 --> 00:01:59,485 The activity it tearing the family apart, 39 00:01:59,487 --> 00:02:01,487 And jennifer says we're her last hope. 40 00:02:04,558 --> 00:02:11,997 ?? 41 00:02:11,999 --> 00:02:16,835 Something very, very bad happened here. 42 00:02:16,837 --> 00:02:19,872 Something attracts death here. 43 00:02:22,476 --> 00:02:24,576 I don't feel good. I feel scared. 44 00:02:24,578 --> 00:02:25,777 I feel panic. 45 00:02:35,656 --> 00:02:36,755 Steve: So, jennifer, I'm glad I'm here, 46 00:02:36,757 --> 00:02:38,524 Because when we spoke on the phone, 47 00:02:38,526 --> 00:02:40,425 It sounded like things were out of control here. 48 00:02:40,427 --> 00:02:41,960 What's going on? 49 00:02:41,962 --> 00:02:44,730 Well, we're having some pretty crazy paranormal experiences 50 00:02:44,732 --> 00:02:47,799 That are really terrorizing my family. 51 00:02:47,801 --> 00:02:48,800 So, I remember you told me on the phone 52 00:02:48,802 --> 00:02:49,835 You guys are here about 2 years. 53 00:02:49,837 --> 00:02:51,236 Is that right? Yes. 54 00:02:51,238 --> 00:02:53,338 We actually bought this house sight unseen. 55 00:02:53,340 --> 00:02:54,606 We fell in love with it. 56 00:02:54,608 --> 00:02:56,108 No judgment here, but why the hell would you 57 00:02:56,110 --> 00:02:57,843 Buy something sight unseen? 58 00:02:57,845 --> 00:03:02,214 It was an overwhelming, compelling feeling of, 59 00:03:02,216 --> 00:03:03,916 "you have to have this house." 60 00:03:03,918 --> 00:03:08,053 But it's not the happy home that we hoped it would be. 61 00:03:08,055 --> 00:03:10,289 So, do you have any information about the house 62 00:03:10,291 --> 00:03:12,324 That might help my investigation? 63 00:03:12,326 --> 00:03:14,760 We were told that the house was built for the first 64 00:03:14,762 --> 00:03:17,162 Toledo female police officer. 65 00:03:17,164 --> 00:03:20,065 We were told that she died in the home. 66 00:03:20,067 --> 00:03:22,834 So, who exactly lives in the house? 67 00:03:22,836 --> 00:03:25,404 I have a picture, here, for you. 68 00:03:25,406 --> 00:03:27,072 This is my mother-in-law, connie... 69 00:03:27,074 --> 00:03:28,507 Okay. ...And my son, kaleb. 70 00:03:28,509 --> 00:03:29,841 He's 13. Right. 71 00:03:29,843 --> 00:03:32,344 And then, myself, and my husband, dana, 72 00:03:32,346 --> 00:03:33,712 And then, my oldest son, avery. 73 00:03:33,714 --> 00:03:34,947 He's 17. 74 00:03:34,949 --> 00:03:37,282 Alright. Now, is everybody experiencing stuff? 75 00:03:37,284 --> 00:03:39,618 Everybody. We hear voices. 76 00:03:39,620 --> 00:03:42,321 Things are constantly moving on their own. 77 00:03:42,323 --> 00:03:46,959 You'll see shadow figures, and also, being physically attacked. 78 00:03:46,961 --> 00:03:48,327 What kind of physical attacks? 79 00:03:48,329 --> 00:03:53,332 Being punched, being pulled down or pushed on the stairs, 80 00:03:53,334 --> 00:03:54,566 Being held down. 81 00:03:54,568 --> 00:03:59,905 I am constantly terrified for kaleb and avery, 82 00:03:59,907 --> 00:04:02,641 With the way that they're being affected 83 00:04:02,643 --> 00:04:04,209 Both physically and mentally. 84 00:04:04,211 --> 00:04:05,811 I'm more than terrified 85 00:04:05,813 --> 00:04:09,481 That something's gonna happen to them that's irreversible. 86 00:04:09,483 --> 00:04:11,817 You know, as a mom, that's got to be tough on you. 87 00:04:11,819 --> 00:04:13,285 It is extremely tough. 88 00:04:13,287 --> 00:04:18,056 I don't know whether to cry out of frustration, or get angry, 89 00:04:18,058 --> 00:04:21,293 Because I'm trying to protect my kids through all of this, 90 00:04:21,295 --> 00:04:23,395 But I have to stay strong for them. 91 00:04:25,933 --> 00:04:27,532 Who's taking care of you? 92 00:04:27,534 --> 00:04:30,302 Nobody. 93 00:04:30,304 --> 00:04:32,404 I feel like I'm constantly stressed out. 94 00:04:32,406 --> 00:04:34,673 I feel the worst guilt. 95 00:04:34,675 --> 00:04:39,278 I feel like I have basically ruined my kids' childhood. 96 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:41,480 Well, hopefully we can change all that. 97 00:04:41,482 --> 00:04:42,614 I hope so. 98 00:04:46,453 --> 00:04:48,520 Amy: I'm seeing this guy. 99 00:04:48,522 --> 00:04:50,689 He's young, probably in his 20s. 100 00:04:50,691 --> 00:04:52,758 He seems more recent. 101 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,895 He's leaning over a person while they're awake in bed. 102 00:04:56,897 --> 00:04:59,131 When they're seeing him in the bedrooms, there's a black mist. 103 00:04:59,133 --> 00:05:00,799 They're awake. 104 00:05:00,801 --> 00:05:03,635 At times, they're hearing something so close to them, 105 00:05:03,637 --> 00:05:06,772 Breathing on them, and whispering in their ear. 106 00:05:06,774 --> 00:05:09,641 It's a feeling, a constant feeling of darkness 107 00:05:09,643 --> 00:05:11,176 And oppression. 108 00:05:11,178 --> 00:05:13,945 Obviously, they're feeling watched all the time. 109 00:05:13,947 --> 00:05:16,915 I got two living people are the most affected, 110 00:05:16,917 --> 00:05:19,551 And it seems like it's two females. 111 00:05:24,491 --> 00:05:26,591 Okay, jennifer, so, what's going on in this area? 112 00:05:26,593 --> 00:05:30,162 When I'm in this part of the house, I feel watched. 113 00:05:30,164 --> 00:05:31,463 Describe the feeling to me. 114 00:05:31,465 --> 00:05:35,200 Kind of feels like the energy of an angry male 115 00:05:35,202 --> 00:05:37,869 Just watching you very intensely. 116 00:05:37,871 --> 00:05:39,538 It makes you want to leave the room, 117 00:05:39,540 --> 00:05:42,107 Because it's so negative. 118 00:05:42,109 --> 00:05:44,176 Are you feeling it now? 119 00:05:44,178 --> 00:05:45,177 Yeah, I do. 120 00:05:45,179 --> 00:05:46,178 Anything else? 121 00:05:46,180 --> 00:05:47,512 There's actually a black mist 122 00:05:47,514 --> 00:05:50,048 That likes to hang out on this first level. 123 00:05:50,050 --> 00:05:52,317 Sometimes, it has the shape of a man. 124 00:05:52,319 --> 00:05:55,487 Sometimes, it's like if you lit a candle, and you blew it out, 125 00:05:55,489 --> 00:05:58,857 And it's just that kind of smoky, wispy mist. 126 00:05:58,859 --> 00:06:00,792 But it's definitely black. 127 00:06:00,794 --> 00:06:02,694 Okay. 128 00:06:02,696 --> 00:06:05,330 This young guy, he watches. 129 00:06:05,332 --> 00:06:06,865 So, he's watching everything. 130 00:06:06,867 --> 00:06:08,834 He's watching everybody. 131 00:06:08,836 --> 00:06:10,602 One of the ways that he does this 132 00:06:10,604 --> 00:06:14,706 Is from the mirrors, in particular. 133 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:18,810 The living, I believe, have seen this. 134 00:06:18,812 --> 00:06:23,181 They literally see a person is right there in -- 135 00:06:23,183 --> 00:06:24,850 Like, a person's face. 136 00:06:24,852 --> 00:06:27,552 So, they're seeing that out of the corner of their eyes. 137 00:06:27,554 --> 00:06:31,757 Once they get up the nerve to face it, again, gone. 138 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:34,826 Man: Do you have any idea why he's doing this? 139 00:06:34,828 --> 00:06:37,129 He wants the living to leave. 140 00:06:44,204 --> 00:06:45,737 Steve: Alright. So, what's going on in here? 141 00:06:45,739 --> 00:06:47,506 Many times, we've been laying in bed. 142 00:06:47,508 --> 00:06:50,976 I'll look over, and the door will open on its own. 143 00:06:50,978 --> 00:06:52,110 The door coming into the bedroom? 144 00:06:52,112 --> 00:06:53,378 Yes. Alright. 145 00:06:53,380 --> 00:06:55,147 So, do you keep this locked at night, or closed? 146 00:06:55,149 --> 00:06:56,181 We do. 147 00:06:58,719 --> 00:06:59,751 Closes pretty good. 148 00:06:59,753 --> 00:07:00,919 Mm-hmm. 149 00:07:04,992 --> 00:07:06,925 Alright. So, the first thing in my head is, 150 00:07:06,927 --> 00:07:08,326 Are the kids playing around with you? 151 00:07:08,328 --> 00:07:10,262 Right. So, I'd gotten out of bed to go check, 152 00:07:10,264 --> 00:07:12,798 And the kids are sound asleep in their beds. 153 00:07:15,569 --> 00:07:17,135 Amy: There's something bad, man. 154 00:07:17,137 --> 00:07:19,871 There's something **** bad here. 155 00:07:19,873 --> 00:07:22,040 It's a dead little boy. 156 00:07:22,042 --> 00:07:26,778 This one kid, in particular, can manipulate his surroundings -- 157 00:07:26,780 --> 00:07:29,614 Move things, open and close doors, move objects, 158 00:07:29,616 --> 00:07:31,216 **** like that. 159 00:07:31,218 --> 00:07:37,956 The one smiled, and it just had really sharp, long teeth. 160 00:07:37,958 --> 00:07:39,391 He's evil. 161 00:07:39,393 --> 00:07:44,162 I don't know if he would ever really kill anybody, 162 00:07:44,164 --> 00:07:46,598 But it's a possibility. 163 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,400 He would be more than capable. 164 00:07:50,671 --> 00:07:52,270 So, jennifer, with all this stuff going on, 165 00:07:52,272 --> 00:07:54,072 How the hell are you getting any sleep at night? 166 00:07:54,074 --> 00:07:56,141 I don't sleep very well at night. 167 00:07:56,143 --> 00:07:58,877 When I do sleep, it's awful nightmares. 168 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:00,345 Describe the night terrors for me. 169 00:08:00,347 --> 00:08:02,814 It always involves my kids, or my husband, 170 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:05,584 And I'm watching something terrible happen to them. 171 00:08:05,586 --> 00:08:06,818 And I'm trying to reach them, 172 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:08,954 And I just can't get them in time. 173 00:08:08,956 --> 00:08:10,489 It's no wonder you can't get any sleep. 174 00:08:10,491 --> 00:08:11,690 Exactly. 175 00:08:11,692 --> 00:08:14,259 If amy turns around, and says, "you got to go," 176 00:08:14,261 --> 00:08:15,494 How are you gonna handle that? 177 00:08:15,496 --> 00:08:16,995 It's not gonna be easy. 178 00:08:16,997 --> 00:08:19,397 It's gonna be absolutely devastating for us to hear. 179 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:21,566 We want to fight to stay here. 180 00:08:21,568 --> 00:08:23,602 We don't want to just up and leave the house 181 00:08:23,604 --> 00:08:25,971 Without actually giving it a fair shot. 182 00:08:29,309 --> 00:08:32,644 I'm seeing this woman. 183 00:08:32,646 --> 00:08:34,646 The dead boy is torturing her. 184 00:08:37,317 --> 00:08:42,521 This person has no rest -- an onslaught of nightmares. 185 00:08:42,523 --> 00:08:44,523 Man: Do you know why they're targeting this person? 186 00:08:44,525 --> 00:08:46,791 They were just born bad. 187 00:08:46,793 --> 00:08:48,627 They were born evil. 188 00:08:48,629 --> 00:08:52,063 I'm pretty sure that they would like her to kill herself. 189 00:09:08,048 --> 00:09:14,119 ?? 190 00:09:14,121 --> 00:09:20,225 ?? 191 00:09:20,227 --> 00:09:22,427 Now, as far as experiences, have you had any? 192 00:09:22,429 --> 00:09:24,896 Yes. I was in this room... 193 00:09:24,898 --> 00:09:26,064 Okay. 194 00:09:26,066 --> 00:09:31,570 ...And I thought I heard a woman or a child crying. 195 00:09:31,572 --> 00:09:32,837 Okay. Was there any televisions 196 00:09:32,839 --> 00:09:33,905 On in the house, anything like that? 197 00:09:33,907 --> 00:09:37,842 No tvs on in the house. Nobody was home. 198 00:09:37,844 --> 00:09:39,210 Alright. Anything else? 199 00:09:39,212 --> 00:09:44,983 Numerous nights, I'm lying in my bed, still awake, 200 00:09:44,985 --> 00:09:49,054 And I feel something climb up on the bed, 201 00:09:49,056 --> 00:09:54,593 And then, it feels like someone is walking alongside my body. 202 00:09:54,595 --> 00:09:55,994 How often is that happening? 203 00:09:55,996 --> 00:09:58,163 Several nights in a week. 204 00:09:58,165 --> 00:09:59,664 That's very strange. 205 00:09:59,666 --> 00:10:03,535 I have tried switching beds and bedrooms, 206 00:10:03,537 --> 00:10:05,270 To the living room couch. 207 00:10:05,272 --> 00:10:06,504 It followed you? 208 00:10:06,506 --> 00:10:09,074 Yeah. That ghosty followed me all over the damn house. 209 00:10:09,076 --> 00:10:11,109 You got some pretty scary stuff going on. 210 00:10:11,111 --> 00:10:12,811 Yeah. It's unnerving. 211 00:10:12,813 --> 00:10:16,481 And I'm especially worried about my grandchildren. 212 00:10:16,483 --> 00:10:18,984 Our fight is not with flesh and blood, 213 00:10:18,986 --> 00:10:22,554 But with the powers and principles of this dark world. 214 00:10:28,095 --> 00:10:31,696 Amy: There's a hateful, hateful, hateful woman, 215 00:10:31,698 --> 00:10:33,331 And people see her. 216 00:10:33,333 --> 00:10:35,367 She's old. 217 00:10:35,369 --> 00:10:38,169 Oh, she likes somebody in here, though. 218 00:10:38,171 --> 00:10:39,471 Man: And why do you say that? 219 00:10:39,473 --> 00:10:43,642 She done crawled up in the bed with them. 220 00:10:43,644 --> 00:10:46,578 I think that they feel the pressure. 221 00:10:46,580 --> 00:10:48,380 Like, she's getting... 222 00:10:48,382 --> 00:10:51,449 She gets in, and she's just like a little kid. 223 00:10:58,325 --> 00:11:00,558 I want to say it's a female. 224 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:03,561 So, here, like -- so, I don't know if this is, like, 225 00:11:03,563 --> 00:11:05,363 A mother figure to her. 226 00:11:12,973 --> 00:11:14,539 Steve: Dana, I understand you're a former marine? 227 00:11:14,541 --> 00:11:15,573 Dana: Yes, sir. 228 00:11:15,575 --> 00:11:17,609 Semper fi. Oorah. 229 00:11:17,611 --> 00:11:19,244 Are you frightened by what's going on here? 230 00:11:19,246 --> 00:11:22,313 I am frightened by what it's been doing to my kids. 231 00:11:22,315 --> 00:11:23,782 That's what scares me the most. 232 00:11:23,784 --> 00:11:26,484 As a father, when they're going through something like this, 233 00:11:26,486 --> 00:11:27,786 There's nothing I can do to help them. 234 00:11:27,788 --> 00:11:29,888 It's -- I feel helpless. 235 00:11:29,890 --> 00:11:31,156 Your wife was telling me that 236 00:11:31,158 --> 00:11:32,590 You were having some experiences. 237 00:11:32,592 --> 00:11:34,726 If you could do me a favor, and just tell me about some of them. 238 00:11:34,728 --> 00:11:37,595 There was one morning, and I was laying on my side, 239 00:11:37,597 --> 00:11:40,899 And I remember there was something physically holding me, 240 00:11:40,901 --> 00:11:42,600 Keeping me from moving. 241 00:11:42,602 --> 00:11:44,502 So, did it feel like there was hands on you, 242 00:11:44,504 --> 00:11:45,770 Or did it feel like a pressure? 243 00:11:45,772 --> 00:11:47,872 Pressure. I didn't feel hands, 244 00:11:47,874 --> 00:11:51,242 Just something keeping me from rolling over. 245 00:11:51,244 --> 00:11:52,610 Okay. 246 00:11:52,612 --> 00:11:54,012 Anything else physical like that happen to you in the bed? 247 00:11:54,014 --> 00:11:57,148 There was another instance where I was laying in bed, again, 248 00:11:57,150 --> 00:12:00,552 Just waking up, and then, I suddenly feel the sheets 249 00:12:00,554 --> 00:12:01,986 Get yanked right off my legs. 250 00:12:01,988 --> 00:12:03,521 I look down, and the blankets 251 00:12:03,523 --> 00:12:06,057 Are just yanked over to the side. 252 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:07,892 Nobody else is in the room. 253 00:12:07,894 --> 00:12:09,461 I didn't kick them off. 254 00:12:09,463 --> 00:12:11,296 I know you have dogs. Is there any chance...? 255 00:12:11,298 --> 00:12:13,131 No. The dogs weren't in the room. 256 00:12:13,133 --> 00:12:14,332 Anything else? 257 00:12:14,334 --> 00:12:16,134 Just a couple years ago, I had a full cardiac workup, 258 00:12:16,136 --> 00:12:17,435 Just a regular checkup -- 259 00:12:17,437 --> 00:12:20,205 And I had absolutely no health issues whatsoever. 260 00:12:20,207 --> 00:12:22,140 Two years later, since moving into this house, 261 00:12:22,142 --> 00:12:25,944 I now suffer from an enlarged heart and high blood pressure. 262 00:12:25,946 --> 00:12:30,648 And the doctors can't seem to, you know, tell me why. 263 00:12:30,650 --> 00:12:32,317 I don't know if that's paranormal, but it's kind of odd 264 00:12:32,319 --> 00:12:34,085 For somebody your age to be dealing with that. 265 00:12:34,087 --> 00:12:35,887 I think it has something to do with the house. 266 00:12:35,889 --> 00:12:38,056 Whatever it is that's here, if it wants to, 267 00:12:38,058 --> 00:12:39,858 I think it could kill one of us. 268 00:12:43,930 --> 00:12:51,102 Amy: The old lady, she very much dislikes people, 269 00:12:51,104 --> 00:12:53,071 Whether they're dead or alive. 270 00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:57,642 She's talking about killing people. 271 00:13:05,018 --> 00:13:07,952 Steve: So, kaleb, mom tells me you're having a pretty tough time here. 272 00:13:07,954 --> 00:13:09,354 Tell me what's going on. 273 00:13:09,356 --> 00:13:12,423 Well, there's a mirror at the end of this hallway, 274 00:13:12,425 --> 00:13:16,127 And there was a tall shadow figure standing behind me 275 00:13:16,129 --> 00:13:17,729 That I thought was my brother. And I turned around. 276 00:13:17,731 --> 00:13:18,730 There was no one there. 277 00:13:18,732 --> 00:13:20,532 Ooh. That would have gave me chills. 278 00:13:20,534 --> 00:13:22,534 Yeah. So, I ran to my bedroom. 279 00:13:22,536 --> 00:13:25,370 Mom told me about some physical attacks that you're enduring. 280 00:13:25,372 --> 00:13:26,371 What's going on? 281 00:13:26,373 --> 00:13:27,839 This back staircase back here, 282 00:13:27,841 --> 00:13:31,576 I've actually been pushed, like, a pressure of hands on my back. 283 00:13:31,578 --> 00:13:33,611 Okay. And you're sure you didn't trip? 284 00:13:33,613 --> 00:13:35,680 Yeah. My head went back, like... 285 00:13:35,682 --> 00:13:38,316 It sounds like the stuff you're going through is insane. 286 00:13:38,318 --> 00:13:42,253 Oh, yes. It's definitely draining, exhausting. 287 00:13:42,255 --> 00:13:43,855 So, avery, your mom and your brother told me 288 00:13:43,857 --> 00:13:46,024 About some physical attacks that happened to them. 289 00:13:46,026 --> 00:13:47,125 Anything like that happen to you? 290 00:13:47,127 --> 00:13:48,693 Yes. I was scratched. 291 00:13:48,695 --> 00:13:51,229 Where? I was scratched on the chest. 292 00:13:51,231 --> 00:13:52,564 Did it break the skin at all? 293 00:13:52,566 --> 00:13:53,698 A little bit. Alright. 294 00:13:53,700 --> 00:13:54,933 Anything else? 295 00:13:54,935 --> 00:13:55,967 Yes. 296 00:13:59,706 --> 00:14:02,507 Fully black, fully opaque, except for his face. 297 00:14:02,509 --> 00:14:06,878 He has a cheek-to-cheek smile with very sharp teeth, 298 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,147 Fully black eyes with little red dots. 299 00:14:09,149 --> 00:14:10,481 Alright. What do you do when you see that? 300 00:14:10,483 --> 00:14:13,885 I basically just close my eyes, and I tell him to go away. 301 00:14:13,887 --> 00:14:15,486 Everybody is pretty riled by what's going on here, 302 00:14:15,488 --> 00:14:18,389 But you don't seem to be too upset about it. 303 00:14:18,391 --> 00:14:20,291 You think you're getting numb to this stuff? 304 00:14:20,293 --> 00:14:21,459 Yes. 305 00:14:21,461 --> 00:14:23,461 I'm just done with whatever is going on. 306 00:14:23,463 --> 00:14:25,230 I just want it out and gone, 307 00:14:25,232 --> 00:14:26,898 And I want it to leave my family alone. 308 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:29,300 Why do you think your family is being picked on in this house? 309 00:14:29,302 --> 00:14:34,806 I feel that it, like, died living a certain lifestyle, 310 00:14:34,808 --> 00:14:37,075 And the lifestyle we're living now, 311 00:14:37,077 --> 00:14:39,577 I'm thinking that the spirit doesn't approve of it. 312 00:14:39,579 --> 00:14:42,213 Okay. 313 00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:46,251 The old lady, I think that she's extremely physical. 314 00:14:46,253 --> 00:14:47,886 She's very controlling, 315 00:14:47,888 --> 00:14:51,256 Definitely drains people's energy. 316 00:14:55,095 --> 00:14:59,998 That old lady doesn't like this person at all. 317 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,967 "you're disgusting," like... 318 00:15:02,969 --> 00:15:06,871 Hate -- lots of hate here. 319 00:15:06,873 --> 00:15:10,408 Mostly doing, like, kind of passive-aggressive ****. 320 00:15:12,312 --> 00:15:15,480 So, moving the bed, shaking the bed, 321 00:15:15,482 --> 00:15:19,951 Pinching, pinching, pinching. 322 00:15:19,953 --> 00:15:22,654 I think she might be biting, too, 323 00:15:22,656 --> 00:15:25,223 Because there's so much hatred. 324 00:15:25,225 --> 00:15:29,894 I'm surprised she's not doing anything more than that. 325 00:15:29,896 --> 00:15:31,362 Man: Any particular reason? 326 00:15:31,364 --> 00:15:33,965 She feels there's something fundamentally wrong 327 00:15:33,967 --> 00:15:38,536 With this person -- disgust, disdain. 328 00:15:38,538 --> 00:15:39,704 This is bad. 329 00:15:52,552 --> 00:15:55,019 So, jennifer told me her house was once owned 330 00:15:55,021 --> 00:15:57,922 By the first female cop in toledo. 331 00:15:57,924 --> 00:16:00,091 I made some calls, and the story checks out. 332 00:16:00,093 --> 00:16:01,426 I'm headed back to the property now 333 00:16:01,428 --> 00:16:03,328 To meet the woman's daughter. 334 00:16:03,330 --> 00:16:06,864 She told me the house has seen its share of death and tragedy. 335 00:16:13,039 --> 00:16:14,939 Well, rose marie, I appreciate you meeting with me. 336 00:16:14,941 --> 00:16:17,575 You mentioned on the phone your mother was quite the woman. 337 00:16:17,577 --> 00:16:18,843 Yes. I think she was. Yes. 338 00:16:18,845 --> 00:16:20,278 Okay. What can you tell me about her? 339 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,881 When she was 18, she married walter enright, 340 00:16:23,883 --> 00:16:28,386 And she was very prominent in society. 341 00:16:28,388 --> 00:16:31,823 Okay. When did she go from this glamorous-looking socialite 342 00:16:31,825 --> 00:16:34,492 To the first female cop in toledo? 343 00:16:34,494 --> 00:16:37,028 I believe it was 1923. 344 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:38,663 So, how long was she on the police department? 345 00:16:38,665 --> 00:16:40,832 Do you know? Yeah. I think 4 years. 346 00:16:40,834 --> 00:16:41,966 So, what made her leave? 347 00:16:41,968 --> 00:16:45,670 She felt that the department was too corrupt. 348 00:16:45,672 --> 00:16:47,071 Okay. 349 00:16:47,073 --> 00:16:50,308 Now, I understand your mother bought this house in 1944. 350 00:16:50,310 --> 00:16:52,410 How old were you then? 8 years old. 351 00:16:52,412 --> 00:16:53,644 Oh, okay. 352 00:16:53,646 --> 00:16:54,946 So, rose marie, you mentioned on the phone 353 00:16:54,948 --> 00:16:56,714 There were some deaths associated with your family 354 00:16:56,716 --> 00:16:57,949 In the house, here. 355 00:16:57,951 --> 00:17:01,953 Yes. The first death was my grandfather. 356 00:17:01,955 --> 00:17:04,689 This is my grandfather's death certificate. 357 00:17:04,691 --> 00:17:06,391 He was 72. 358 00:17:06,393 --> 00:17:10,094 He died from a heart attack in the basement. 359 00:17:10,096 --> 00:17:13,097 Then, of course, my mother passed away here. 360 00:17:13,099 --> 00:17:14,432 How old was your mom when she passed? 361 00:17:14,434 --> 00:17:15,833 991/2. 362 00:17:15,835 --> 00:17:17,235 Wow. She almost made it to 100. 363 00:17:17,237 --> 00:17:18,636 Yes. 364 00:17:18,638 --> 00:17:21,372 This is a week before she passed. 365 00:17:21,374 --> 00:17:22,840 She's 99 in this photo? 366 00:17:22,842 --> 00:17:24,342 Yes. You're kidding me. 367 00:17:24,344 --> 00:17:25,810 Well, god bless her, 991/2. 368 00:17:25,812 --> 00:17:27,211 Yeah. Right. 369 00:17:27,213 --> 00:17:29,147 You mentioned that there was a tragedy in the house. 370 00:17:29,149 --> 00:17:30,348 What was that all about? 371 00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:33,785 I rented the third floor to a young man, 372 00:17:33,787 --> 00:17:36,687 And I didn't know too much about him. 373 00:17:36,689 --> 00:17:41,492 Apparently, he was into heroin, and he overdosed. 374 00:17:41,494 --> 00:17:43,127 Do you remember when that matter happened? 375 00:17:43,129 --> 00:17:45,963 Not exactly, but I think it was in the '80s. 376 00:17:45,965 --> 00:17:47,198 Quite a few deaths here. 377 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,401 Yeah, there were -- and some of them are still here. 378 00:17:53,873 --> 00:17:56,774 Amy: I'm seeing the young dead guy again. 379 00:17:56,776 --> 00:17:59,911 Not necessarily getting an owner's feeling, 380 00:17:59,913 --> 00:18:04,248 But more of, like, he lived here at some point. 381 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:07,785 He is very thin, kind of looks sickly. 382 00:18:07,787 --> 00:18:10,288 He's very pale, very sunken eyes. 383 00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:15,760 ?? 384 00:18:15,762 --> 00:18:17,628 He wants to be alone. 385 00:18:17,630 --> 00:18:21,165 And he said, "they are in my space." 386 00:18:21,167 --> 00:18:23,768 And I'm getting something about drugs. 387 00:18:23,770 --> 00:18:26,237 I think he od'd. 388 00:18:26,239 --> 00:18:30,775 I don't know if it was accidental or on purpose. 389 00:18:30,777 --> 00:18:32,443 Maybe heroin, I'm thinking? 390 00:18:32,445 --> 00:18:34,112 I'm not sure. 391 00:18:34,114 --> 00:18:38,449 I'd put him in maybe the '70s, '80s. 392 00:18:38,451 --> 00:18:40,251 He said that he just went to sleep. 393 00:18:42,822 --> 00:18:44,889 So, before I got to town, I called my old buddy, 394 00:18:44,891 --> 00:18:46,791 Lou hebert, who's a local law guy, 395 00:18:46,793 --> 00:18:48,593 And had him do some digging for me. 396 00:18:48,595 --> 00:18:50,461 So, he just called back, and says he's got something 397 00:18:50,463 --> 00:18:52,497 I'm definitely gonna want to know about. 398 00:18:52,499 --> 00:18:53,931 Turns out, a prominent woman 399 00:18:53,933 --> 00:18:56,868 Bought jennifer's house in the early 1900s, 400 00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:59,237 And lou says everyone close to this matriarch 401 00:18:59,239 --> 00:19:00,938 Started dropping dead. 402 00:19:05,545 --> 00:19:06,744 Who was this family? 403 00:19:06,746 --> 00:19:07,979 When did they get to my client's property? 404 00:19:07,981 --> 00:19:09,780 Lou: Well, this was the gutchess family, 405 00:19:09,782 --> 00:19:12,750 And leda was the matriarch of the family. 406 00:19:12,752 --> 00:19:15,753 She bought that house in 1919. 407 00:19:15,755 --> 00:19:18,289 She was single, so it was kind of unusual at that time. 408 00:19:18,291 --> 00:19:20,424 Here is a picture of her, here. 409 00:19:20,426 --> 00:19:22,026 So, this is 1919. 410 00:19:22,028 --> 00:19:23,261 She's a single woman. 411 00:19:23,263 --> 00:19:25,029 How is she able to afford a house 412 00:19:25,031 --> 00:19:26,531 In that neighborhood back then? 413 00:19:26,533 --> 00:19:28,499 Well, we know that she was very rich. 414 00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:30,735 Her father was a doctor, but he was also an inventor, 415 00:19:30,737 --> 00:19:34,539 And he invented an aerial spray device for medicine. 416 00:19:34,541 --> 00:19:36,874 And they became very wealthy as a result of that. 417 00:19:36,876 --> 00:19:38,142 Alright. So, you said she was single 418 00:19:38,144 --> 00:19:39,443 When she moved into the house, 419 00:19:39,445 --> 00:19:41,512 But had she ever been married before then? 420 00:19:41,514 --> 00:19:42,846 Yes. She was. 421 00:19:42,848 --> 00:19:45,149 She married a fellow by the name of frank gutchess. 422 00:19:45,151 --> 00:19:47,718 There's his photo, there. 423 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,020 Okay. So, what happened to this guy? 424 00:19:49,022 --> 00:19:50,555 Well, he died in 1911. 425 00:19:50,557 --> 00:19:52,256 He was only 46 years old. 426 00:19:52,258 --> 00:19:53,524 What'd he die of? 427 00:19:53,526 --> 00:19:56,928 Well, he died of arthritis and inflamed kidneys. 428 00:19:56,930 --> 00:19:58,529 Alright. So, this woman had people croaking on her 429 00:19:58,531 --> 00:20:00,164 Before she even got to my client's house. 430 00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:01,165 Oh, yeah. 431 00:20:01,167 --> 00:20:02,967 Her brother died just a short time 432 00:20:02,969 --> 00:20:04,535 After her husband had died. 433 00:20:04,537 --> 00:20:07,171 Then, her father dies a few years after that. 434 00:20:07,173 --> 00:20:09,607 A couple of years later is when she bought the house. 435 00:20:09,609 --> 00:20:12,210 Okay, so, she loses three people before she even gets there. 436 00:20:12,212 --> 00:20:13,477 Absolutely. Yeah. 437 00:20:13,479 --> 00:20:14,879 This is a pretty big house. 438 00:20:14,881 --> 00:20:16,681 I mean, it's 5,000 square feet. 439 00:20:16,683 --> 00:20:17,715 Was she living there alone? 440 00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:19,016 No. She didn't live there alone. 441 00:20:19,018 --> 00:20:20,985 She had an extended family with her. 442 00:20:20,987 --> 00:20:22,920 First, her mother was living there with her. 443 00:20:22,922 --> 00:20:26,090 And then, she also had a son, alan, who was living there, 444 00:20:26,092 --> 00:20:28,292 And alan had a daughter named betty, 445 00:20:28,294 --> 00:20:29,894 Who was an infant at the time. 446 00:20:29,896 --> 00:20:32,830 Alright. So, lou, obviously leda had a lot of deaths around her 447 00:20:32,832 --> 00:20:34,565 Before she even got to my client's house. 448 00:20:34,567 --> 00:20:36,200 Did it continue after she got there? 449 00:20:36,202 --> 00:20:39,270 Yeah. It did. And the first one was her own daughter, helen. 450 00:20:39,272 --> 00:20:42,707 On June 10th of 1921, she was cleaning the house 451 00:20:42,709 --> 00:20:47,011 With some sort of kerosene, or gasoline, or something. 452 00:20:47,013 --> 00:20:48,179 It ignited. 453 00:20:48,181 --> 00:20:49,814 Oh, geez. It exploded. 454 00:20:49,816 --> 00:20:52,350 She died in front of her 3- year-old child 455 00:20:52,352 --> 00:20:55,186 At the age of 26. 456 00:20:55,188 --> 00:20:57,388 As you can see here, I've got the death certificate 457 00:20:57,390 --> 00:20:58,956 And the photo. 458 00:20:58,958 --> 00:21:00,925 So, she burns to death. Yeah. 459 00:21:00,927 --> 00:21:02,627 Man, this family can't get away from it, huh? 460 00:21:02,629 --> 00:21:04,762 No. Thomas, the brother, 461 00:21:04,764 --> 00:21:08,232 Dies a few years later at the age of 50 from cancer. 462 00:21:08,234 --> 00:21:09,567 Okay. 463 00:21:09,569 --> 00:21:12,570 Then, a few years after that, leda's mother dies. 464 00:21:12,572 --> 00:21:16,140 She dies from a heart attack, and she dies in the house. 465 00:21:16,142 --> 00:21:17,575 There's a picture of her -- 466 00:21:17,577 --> 00:21:19,610 Rather stern-looking woman, there -- 467 00:21:19,612 --> 00:21:21,746 And her death certificate, as well. 468 00:21:21,748 --> 00:21:24,181 So, six of her family members drop dead. 469 00:21:24,183 --> 00:21:26,717 Yeah -- in a very, very short period of time. 470 00:21:26,719 --> 00:21:27,818 Whatever happens to her? 471 00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:30,087 She ends up selling the house in 1944. 472 00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:33,824 And then, in 1955, she dies of a stroke. 473 00:21:33,826 --> 00:21:35,126 She was 84. 474 00:21:35,128 --> 00:21:36,560 So, when you said she had a lot of death 475 00:21:36,562 --> 00:21:37,862 Around her, you weren't kidding. 476 00:21:37,864 --> 00:21:38,896 Yeah. 477 00:21:41,701 --> 00:21:43,901 Amy: The old dead lady is up here. 478 00:21:43,903 --> 00:21:46,304 She's attached to this house. 479 00:21:48,408 --> 00:21:55,146 She owned it from, like, 1910 to 1940, or something. 480 00:21:55,148 --> 00:21:56,914 Man: Can you describe her? 481 00:21:56,916 --> 00:21:59,016 At least in her 80s. 482 00:22:03,423 --> 00:22:05,456 I don't know if she actually killed people, 483 00:22:05,458 --> 00:22:07,391 Or she just wanted to, 484 00:22:07,393 --> 00:22:10,795 But she had a hand in getting rid of people, 485 00:22:10,797 --> 00:22:15,132 One way or the other, pushing them away and killing them. 486 00:22:25,411 --> 00:22:26,410 For more information about the show, 487 00:22:26,412 --> 00:22:27,845 And if you need us to investigate 488 00:22:27,847 --> 00:22:29,680 Unexplained activity in your home... 489 00:22:29,682 --> 00:22:32,983 Please visit travelchannel.Com/thedeadfiles. 490 00:22:32,985 --> 00:22:34,385 Click on "help me, dead files!" 491 00:22:34,387 --> 00:22:36,187 To submit your story, and we'll help if we can. 492 00:22:42,628 --> 00:22:46,464 ?? 493 00:22:46,466 --> 00:22:48,966 Steve: So far, I've got a family living in fear in a house 494 00:22:48,968 --> 00:22:51,335 Where a hell of a lot of people have died, 495 00:22:51,337 --> 00:22:53,504 But I want to see if there's anything else. 496 00:22:56,075 --> 00:22:57,375 Searching through old records, 497 00:22:57,377 --> 00:22:59,777 I find a pair of serial-killing brothers 498 00:22:59,779 --> 00:23:02,179 Who terrorized toledo in the early '80s. 499 00:23:02,181 --> 00:23:04,515 Turns out, one of their victims was murdered 500 00:23:04,517 --> 00:23:06,417 Close to jennifer and dana's house. 501 00:23:08,654 --> 00:23:10,888 So, I'm headed to meet a retired toledo detective 502 00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:13,157 Who remembers the case well. 503 00:23:13,159 --> 00:23:16,160 She says these killers were bloodthirsty monsters, 504 00:23:16,162 --> 00:23:17,395 And their crimes still haunt 505 00:23:17,397 --> 00:23:19,397 Jennifer's neighborhood to this day. 506 00:23:26,773 --> 00:23:28,272 Well, detective, I appreciate you helping me out 507 00:23:28,274 --> 00:23:29,407 With this case. 508 00:23:29,409 --> 00:23:31,075 What can you tell me about these guys? 509 00:23:31,077 --> 00:23:37,148 Well, they're two brothers, anthony and nathaniel cook, 510 00:23:37,150 --> 00:23:42,787 Who terrorized toledo for a year and a half in the early '80s. 511 00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:44,355 You know, you and I both know serial killers 512 00:23:44,357 --> 00:23:47,124 Usually kill in the same manner, but sometimes, they vary. 513 00:23:47,126 --> 00:23:48,325 What about these guys? 514 00:23:48,327 --> 00:23:49,860 They did a little bit of everything. 515 00:23:49,862 --> 00:23:53,030 Sometimes, they bludgeoned their victims 516 00:23:53,032 --> 00:23:54,632 With a baseball bat. Okay. 517 00:23:54,634 --> 00:23:57,435 Sometimes, they stabbed the victims, 518 00:23:57,437 --> 00:24:00,504 And sometimes, they shot them execution-style. 519 00:24:00,506 --> 00:24:02,373 Alright, so, their killing method varied. 520 00:24:02,375 --> 00:24:03,774 What about their victims? 521 00:24:03,776 --> 00:24:06,076 Their victims were usually consistent -- 522 00:24:06,078 --> 00:24:09,613 Young white females that were seen either alone 523 00:24:09,615 --> 00:24:12,016 Or in the company of, maybe, a boyfriend. 524 00:24:12,018 --> 00:24:14,051 So, you mentioned on the phone this whole thing that happened 525 00:24:14,053 --> 00:24:15,786 With these guys still haunts my client's neighborhood. 526 00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:17,188 What'd you mean by that? 527 00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:21,158 Because your client actually lives two and a half blocks 528 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,162 From the location of the last murder they committed together. 529 00:24:25,164 --> 00:24:27,198 Okay. So, when did that happen? 530 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,000 February 21st of 1981. 531 00:24:30,002 --> 00:24:32,670 Okay. So, what were the circumstances? 532 00:24:32,672 --> 00:24:36,040 Dawn rene backes, 12-year-old girl -- 533 00:24:36,042 --> 00:24:40,411 They abducted her, drug her inside an old abandoned theater. 534 00:24:40,413 --> 00:24:42,079 They tortured her. 535 00:24:42,081 --> 00:24:43,781 They raped her. 536 00:24:43,783 --> 00:24:46,450 And then, they crushed her skull with a cinder block. 537 00:24:46,452 --> 00:24:47,651 These guys are real animals. 538 00:24:47,653 --> 00:24:49,553 Animals. Evil. 539 00:24:49,555 --> 00:24:51,155 So, I know these two scumbags get caught. 540 00:24:51,157 --> 00:24:52,423 What happened? 541 00:24:52,425 --> 00:24:56,093 Seven months later, anthony cook, acting alone, 542 00:24:56,095 --> 00:24:57,528 Assaulted a couple 543 00:24:57,530 --> 00:24:59,930 That were just sitting in their van talking. 544 00:24:59,932 --> 00:25:01,765 The girlfriend was able to flee 545 00:25:01,767 --> 00:25:04,568 While her boyfriend is wrestling with anthony. 546 00:25:04,570 --> 00:25:06,136 They survived the attack, 547 00:25:06,138 --> 00:25:09,740 And were now able to go into court as witnesses. 548 00:25:09,742 --> 00:25:10,941 So, they identify anthony. 549 00:25:10,943 --> 00:25:12,776 And they identified anthony, yes. 550 00:25:12,778 --> 00:25:15,079 Alright. So, how did they link him and his brother 551 00:25:15,081 --> 00:25:16,313 To the other murders? 552 00:25:16,315 --> 00:25:19,383 They were able to match the brothers' dna 553 00:25:19,385 --> 00:25:21,852 With three of the other murders. 554 00:25:21,854 --> 00:25:23,487 Okay, so, now, what happens? 555 00:25:23,489 --> 00:25:25,856 Well, the brothers entered a plea agreement, 556 00:25:25,858 --> 00:25:30,528 And they ended up admitting to eight slayings. 557 00:25:30,530 --> 00:25:34,298 Anthony cook was convicted, and sentenced to life in prison. 558 00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:36,400 Surprisingly, nathaniel, 559 00:25:36,402 --> 00:25:39,403 He got 20 years through a plea agreement, 560 00:25:39,405 --> 00:25:41,805 And he was released in 2018. 561 00:25:41,807 --> 00:25:42,840 He's out? 562 00:25:42,842 --> 00:25:44,441 He is out. 563 00:25:44,443 --> 00:25:46,343 Holy ****. 564 00:25:46,345 --> 00:25:48,312 There's no justice right there. 565 00:25:48,314 --> 00:25:49,346 None. 566 00:25:53,719 --> 00:25:56,787 Amy: Something happened here. 567 00:25:56,789 --> 00:26:00,524 I'm hearing a lot of screaming. 568 00:26:00,526 --> 00:26:03,060 Mainly, I'm hearing women screaming, 569 00:26:03,062 --> 00:26:05,629 Lots of panic and chaos happening. 570 00:26:10,169 --> 00:26:13,971 I know that someone has died, or is gonna die. 571 00:26:13,973 --> 00:26:17,207 I think it's her -- the one who's screaming. 572 00:26:17,209 --> 00:26:21,345 She looks young, maybe late teens or early 20s. 573 00:26:21,347 --> 00:26:26,650 But there's all this people around, and wigging out. 574 00:26:29,355 --> 00:26:35,392 And there's people -- like, men -- trying to handle it. 575 00:26:35,394 --> 00:26:38,062 I can't understand them, but she just won't stop screaming 576 00:26:38,064 --> 00:26:39,863 About whatever the **** is happening. 577 00:26:39,865 --> 00:26:42,733 And she's saying, "oh, god, help me. 578 00:26:42,735 --> 00:26:47,171 Help me get out of here," like, "this can't be happening. 579 00:26:47,173 --> 00:26:49,039 Oh, my god. Oh, my god." 580 00:26:56,849 --> 00:26:59,483 I saw several disturbing things on my walk, 581 00:26:59,485 --> 00:27:01,852 But the hateful old lady and little boy 582 00:27:01,854 --> 00:27:05,489 Terrorizing a living person has me the most concerned. 583 00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:11,862 This haggard little old woman has a hunched back -- 584 00:27:11,864 --> 00:27:14,999 Very thin, bony. 585 00:27:15,001 --> 00:27:18,035 And then, there's this little boy. 586 00:27:18,037 --> 00:27:22,306 His eyes were really large and dark. 587 00:27:22,308 --> 00:27:24,008 He had, like, a grin, 588 00:27:24,010 --> 00:27:27,478 And he had all of these really long, sharp teeth. 589 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,883 They're very, very bad, and very scary. 590 00:27:32,885 --> 00:27:35,719 Oh, she had crazy eyebrows, too. 591 00:27:40,326 --> 00:27:42,259 Amy, is this what you saw? 592 00:27:42,261 --> 00:27:43,894 Yes. That's what I saw. 593 00:28:04,784 --> 00:28:07,751 Steve: Now that amy and I have completed our investigations, 594 00:28:07,753 --> 00:28:10,020 We're ready to reveal our findings to each other, 595 00:28:10,022 --> 00:28:12,589 And our clients, for the first time. 596 00:28:12,591 --> 00:28:15,626 So, amy, I'd like you to meet jennifer and her husband, dana. 597 00:28:15,628 --> 00:28:19,129 Now, 2 years ago, they bought this place sight unseen. 598 00:28:19,131 --> 00:28:24,234 And when they did, they moved in with dana's mother, connie, 599 00:28:24,236 --> 00:28:28,572 And their two sons -- kaleb, who's 13, avery, who's 17. 600 00:28:28,574 --> 00:28:30,808 Since then, the whole family has been terrorized, 601 00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:35,312 And these two are convinced that no one is safe in this house. 602 00:28:35,314 --> 00:28:37,448 So, unless amy has some questions for you, 603 00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:39,049 She'll tell us about her walk. 604 00:28:39,051 --> 00:28:41,852 ?? 605 00:28:41,854 --> 00:28:46,957 The first active dead person that I came into contact with 606 00:28:46,959 --> 00:28:50,027 Was a male, overall kind of a mess. 607 00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:54,298 He was just going off about how he wants to be left alone. 608 00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:57,401 He hates the fact that living people are here. 609 00:28:57,403 --> 00:29:03,407 Some of the things that he does is, he is constantly watching. 610 00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:07,377 And he often is watching from the mirrors. 611 00:29:07,379 --> 00:29:08,912 I spoke to kaleb. 612 00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:12,149 He saw a shadow behind him in an upstairs mirror. 613 00:29:12,151 --> 00:29:13,717 Okay. So, it freaked him out. 614 00:29:13,719 --> 00:29:15,419 Yeah, that's typical. 615 00:29:15,421 --> 00:29:17,921 He does travel as a black mist, 616 00:29:17,923 --> 00:29:20,657 But, like, you know it's a person. 617 00:29:20,659 --> 00:29:23,193 At times, you can see him, like, kind of out 618 00:29:23,195 --> 00:29:26,230 Of the corner of your eye. 619 00:29:26,232 --> 00:29:28,999 A lot of times, on the main level of the house, 620 00:29:29,001 --> 00:29:34,204 You will see a mist, like somebody just blew out a candle. 621 00:29:34,206 --> 00:29:35,439 You can see it. 622 00:29:35,441 --> 00:29:38,008 Sometimes, you can see through it, and it's moving. 623 00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:41,178 Did you get anything on this guy when he was around? 624 00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:44,314 Younger, definitely. I'd put him in his 20s. 625 00:29:44,316 --> 00:29:46,083 I'd put him in the 1980s. 626 00:29:46,085 --> 00:29:48,685 I got that he lived here at some point, 627 00:29:48,687 --> 00:29:51,455 But I don't think he was an owner. 628 00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:56,560 I was kind of seeing him, like, looking strung out. 629 00:29:56,562 --> 00:29:59,429 I was thinking along the lines of heroin. 630 00:29:59,431 --> 00:30:04,301 I do believe that he od'd, 631 00:30:04,303 --> 00:30:08,639 And he said that he just went to sleep, and never woke up. 632 00:30:08,641 --> 00:30:11,008 I'm pretty sure I know who she's talking about. 633 00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:14,845 So, I spoke to a woman whose family owned this house 634 00:30:14,847 --> 00:30:16,280 For over 60 years. 635 00:30:16,282 --> 00:30:18,615 Now, she told me about a few deaths in the house, 636 00:30:18,617 --> 00:30:21,251 But the one you just mentioned is right on the money. 637 00:30:21,253 --> 00:30:26,657 In 1980s, she rented out the attic to a young male. 638 00:30:26,659 --> 00:30:29,927 But she hadn't seen him around in a couple days. 639 00:30:29,929 --> 00:30:32,129 When they went upstairs to look, 640 00:30:32,131 --> 00:30:34,832 He was in his room, dead, from a heroin overdose. 641 00:30:34,834 --> 00:30:37,634 Yeah. 642 00:30:37,636 --> 00:30:40,204 So, what else did you encounter? 643 00:30:40,206 --> 00:30:44,308 The next dead person that I encountered was a little boy. 644 00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:48,111 He, like, smiled, and he had just, like, knives for teeth. 645 00:30:48,113 --> 00:30:51,114 And I was like, "oh, ****." 646 00:30:51,116 --> 00:30:53,250 There's a few ways that the living here, 647 00:30:53,252 --> 00:30:56,286 I think, would experience this kid. 648 00:30:56,288 --> 00:30:57,955 He can manipulate his surroundings 649 00:30:57,957 --> 00:31:00,090 By opening and closing doors. 650 00:31:00,092 --> 00:31:03,760 We were laying in bed together, just watching tv, 651 00:31:03,762 --> 00:31:06,330 And the door just flung open. 652 00:31:06,332 --> 00:31:09,499 Got out and looked, both kids were asleep in their bed. 653 00:31:09,501 --> 00:31:11,668 Mother-in-law was asleep in her bed. 654 00:31:11,670 --> 00:31:12,870 Interesting. 655 00:31:12,872 --> 00:31:14,905 The thing that really concerned me about him 656 00:31:14,907 --> 00:31:17,441 Is that I did see him getting physical 657 00:31:17,443 --> 00:31:20,911 With the living -- biting, punching, pushing. 658 00:31:20,913 --> 00:31:25,682 I don't know if he would ever really kill anybody, 659 00:31:25,684 --> 00:31:28,051 But it's a possibility. 660 00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:29,953 He would be more than capable. 661 00:31:32,725 --> 00:31:39,029 ?? 662 00:31:39,031 --> 00:31:45,335 ?? 663 00:31:45,337 --> 00:31:47,771 You okay, jen? You need a break? 664 00:31:47,773 --> 00:31:49,706 - I'm okay. - You sure? 665 00:31:49,708 --> 00:31:50,741 Yeah. 666 00:31:53,145 --> 00:31:55,145 Tell amy about what's going on 667 00:31:55,147 --> 00:31:58,815 With avery and kaleb, and the experiences with the scratches. 668 00:31:58,817 --> 00:32:00,951 They have unexplained scratches 669 00:32:00,953 --> 00:32:03,186 On different parts of their body. 670 00:32:03,188 --> 00:32:07,124 They have no idea how they got these scratches on them. 671 00:32:07,126 --> 00:32:09,826 Now, kaleb told me about this, but you tell amy about him 672 00:32:09,828 --> 00:32:12,329 On the staircase, and tripping, and all that. 673 00:32:12,331 --> 00:32:15,299 Kaleb felt he was shoved down the stairs, 674 00:32:15,301 --> 00:32:18,335 And got injured pretty good. 675 00:32:18,337 --> 00:32:21,004 You mentioned something about him smiling with sharp teeth. 676 00:32:21,006 --> 00:32:24,641 Now, when I spoke to avery, 677 00:32:24,643 --> 00:32:27,811 He says he sees a creature he calls the smiley man. 678 00:32:27,813 --> 00:32:29,513 Oh, yeah. 679 00:32:29,515 --> 00:32:30,747 It's a dark, shadowy thing 680 00:32:30,749 --> 00:32:33,951 With long, sharp teeth and red eyes. 681 00:32:33,953 --> 00:32:35,052 That's how he sees it. 682 00:32:35,054 --> 00:32:36,887 Okay. Interesting. 683 00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:40,057 Yeah. 684 00:32:40,059 --> 00:32:41,992 So, what else you got? 685 00:32:41,994 --> 00:32:47,965 The person I'm the most concerned about is this female. 686 00:32:47,967 --> 00:32:51,101 She is angry and hateful. 687 00:32:51,103 --> 00:32:54,371 She talked a lot about killing people. 688 00:32:54,373 --> 00:32:58,208 I got that she was very judgmental in life, 689 00:32:58,210 --> 00:33:00,510 And she's the same way in death. 690 00:33:00,512 --> 00:33:03,780 Saw her upstairs in the middle bedroom, 691 00:33:03,782 --> 00:33:07,050 And she was excessively picking on that person 692 00:33:07,052 --> 00:33:10,887 Because she felt like there's something 693 00:33:10,889 --> 00:33:14,992 Fundamentally wrong with them. 694 00:33:14,994 --> 00:33:18,829 The middle bedroom, I'm assuming she means avery's bedroom. 695 00:33:18,831 --> 00:33:21,431 Avery did share with me that, when I talked to him, 696 00:33:21,433 --> 00:33:24,735 He felt whatever ghosts were here 697 00:33:24,737 --> 00:33:29,973 Didn't approve of the way you guys or he lived his life. 698 00:33:29,975 --> 00:33:33,043 Well, I'll go ahead and throw it out there. 699 00:33:33,045 --> 00:33:34,845 Our oldest son, avery, is gay. 700 00:33:34,847 --> 00:33:38,181 Many people would disapprove. 701 00:33:38,183 --> 00:33:41,885 Would avery feel those judgments from her? 702 00:33:41,887 --> 00:33:43,820 He'd feel her hate. 703 00:33:43,822 --> 00:33:45,455 He says that all the time. 704 00:33:45,457 --> 00:33:47,524 She's exacerbating... Exactly. 705 00:33:47,526 --> 00:33:52,596 ...Like, what emotions he's going through. 706 00:33:52,598 --> 00:33:53,697 Steve: Now, the woman you're talking about, 707 00:33:53,699 --> 00:33:54,765 Did you get anything else on her, 708 00:33:54,767 --> 00:33:56,333 Like who she might have been in life? 709 00:33:56,335 --> 00:33:58,602 I got that she was a housewife. 710 00:33:58,604 --> 00:34:02,906 I believe she lived here sometime between 1910 and 1940. 711 00:34:02,908 --> 00:34:05,175 I got that she was fairly old when she died, 712 00:34:05,177 --> 00:34:07,044 I think in her 80s. 713 00:34:07,046 --> 00:34:14,017 And I think she died suddenly, and possibly from a fall. 714 00:34:14,019 --> 00:34:16,353 That does make me think of someone from my research. 715 00:34:16,355 --> 00:34:19,689 Her name was leda gutchess. She was a rich, old widow. 716 00:34:19,691 --> 00:34:21,892 Like the woman you saw, leda was a housewife. 717 00:34:21,894 --> 00:34:23,894 I have no records of her killing anybody, 718 00:34:23,896 --> 00:34:26,029 But she did have a lot of death in her life. 719 00:34:26,031 --> 00:34:28,398 Before she moved into this house, her husband, 720 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,069 Brother and father all died within a few years. 721 00:34:32,071 --> 00:34:34,704 But the deaths, for leda, didn't stop there. 722 00:34:34,706 --> 00:34:38,008 Leda, her mother, her son all moved in here together in 1919. 723 00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:44,281 1921, her daughter, helen, she was cleaning with kerosene, 724 00:34:44,283 --> 00:34:46,183 Or something like that, and she caught on fire. 725 00:34:46,185 --> 00:34:47,584 - Oh. - [ gasps ] - well, that... 726 00:34:47,586 --> 00:34:48,718 Okay. 727 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:50,020 This is her, and her death certificate. 728 00:34:50,022 --> 00:34:52,222 She burned to death in front of her 3-year-old kid. 729 00:34:52,224 --> 00:34:54,157 Oh. 730 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,327 Then, in 1928, her brother, thomas, died of cancer 731 00:34:57,329 --> 00:34:59,196 When he was only 50 years old. 732 00:34:59,198 --> 00:35:03,100 Finally, in 1935, her mother lydia died 733 00:35:03,102 --> 00:35:04,868 In this house of a sudden heart attack. 734 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:07,070 Now, she was 85 years old. 735 00:35:07,072 --> 00:35:10,574 I got her death certificate and photo, as well. 736 00:35:10,576 --> 00:35:13,310 So, now that's seven deaths in a 24-year period, 737 00:35:13,312 --> 00:35:15,579 Which is a lot for immediate family members. 738 00:35:15,581 --> 00:35:18,315 Okay. 739 00:35:18,317 --> 00:35:21,485 Now, leda winded up selling the house in 1944, 740 00:35:21,487 --> 00:35:22,953 But she stayed in the area. 741 00:35:22,955 --> 00:35:25,088 She ended up dying from a sudden stroke 742 00:35:25,090 --> 00:35:27,290 When she was 84 years old. 743 00:35:27,292 --> 00:35:29,893 I managed to track down a photo of her, as well. 744 00:35:32,397 --> 00:35:35,232 That's leda, right here. 745 00:35:35,234 --> 00:35:36,867 Is it possible this is who you saw? 746 00:35:36,869 --> 00:35:37,934 No. 747 00:35:39,705 --> 00:35:42,572 This is the one I saw. 748 00:35:42,574 --> 00:35:44,841 Okay. So, the woman you saw, you think, 749 00:35:44,843 --> 00:35:48,111 Is leda's mom, lydia, not leda. 750 00:35:48,113 --> 00:35:51,348 Lydia, yes. Okay. 751 00:35:51,350 --> 00:35:52,382 So, you said she's the one 752 00:35:52,384 --> 00:35:53,483 That's got you the most concerned. 753 00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:54,951 Why? Yeah. 754 00:35:54,953 --> 00:35:57,654 So, she's the most active out of everyone, 755 00:35:57,656 --> 00:35:59,890 And the most dangerous. 756 00:35:59,892 --> 00:36:03,393 She can be very physical with the living. 757 00:36:03,395 --> 00:36:05,128 She showed me her shoving the bed, 758 00:36:05,130 --> 00:36:06,963 Like, hitting it with her legs, 759 00:36:06,965 --> 00:36:10,500 Pinching and flicking that person. 760 00:36:10,502 --> 00:36:12,202 Tell her about how you got held down in bed. 761 00:36:12,204 --> 00:36:15,572 There was one morning, I literally just got frozen. 762 00:36:15,574 --> 00:36:17,774 I could not move at all. And it just -- 763 00:36:17,776 --> 00:36:21,077 There was something holding me down in bed 764 00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:23,180 That wouldn't let me roll over. 765 00:36:23,182 --> 00:36:24,181 Is it possible that was her? 766 00:36:24,183 --> 00:36:26,116 Oh, yeah, sure. 767 00:36:26,118 --> 00:36:28,018 No doubt in my mind. 768 00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:30,120 Now, could she do anything else? 769 00:36:30,122 --> 00:36:36,793 I went to the room now at the opposite end. 770 00:36:36,795 --> 00:36:38,395 Is that your master bedroom? 771 00:36:38,397 --> 00:36:39,696 Yes. 772 00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:43,166 So, I am in there, and the woman and the dead boy 773 00:36:43,168 --> 00:36:46,102 Team up with each other in that room. 774 00:36:46,104 --> 00:36:49,005 Together, the two of them have created 775 00:36:49,007 --> 00:36:52,175 An unbearably chaotic paranormal environment, 776 00:36:52,177 --> 00:36:54,644 And they are gearing it towards you. 777 00:36:54,646 --> 00:36:57,714 ?? 778 00:36:57,716 --> 00:37:01,484 Nightmare images, noises -- 779 00:37:01,486 --> 00:37:06,223 I was, like, stunned mute, like... 780 00:37:06,225 --> 00:37:09,192 It's just chaos. 781 00:37:09,194 --> 00:37:12,429 I did have a sketch done of the two of them 782 00:37:12,431 --> 00:37:15,899 Harassing the person in that bedroom. 783 00:37:15,901 --> 00:37:21,004 ?? 784 00:37:21,006 --> 00:37:26,176 ?? 785 00:37:26,178 --> 00:37:27,911 This sketch is like a nightmare. 786 00:37:27,913 --> 00:37:33,250 ?? 787 00:37:33,252 --> 00:37:38,588 ?? 788 00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:40,790 Jennifer: That's my life. 789 00:37:40,792 --> 00:37:43,260 That's my life in that bedroom. 790 00:37:43,262 --> 00:37:44,861 It's a nightmare in there. 791 00:37:44,863 --> 00:37:47,130 Jennifer, tell amy about your nightmares. 792 00:37:47,132 --> 00:37:49,232 I mean, I literally, physically wake up 793 00:37:49,234 --> 00:37:52,302 Either screaming or crying. 794 00:37:52,304 --> 00:37:53,637 They're so detailed. 795 00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:57,407 It's like I just lived that moment, for real. 796 00:37:57,409 --> 00:38:00,443 What's this woman and this kid want with jennifer? 797 00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:04,714 Both of these people are inherently evil. 798 00:38:04,716 --> 00:38:08,318 They were born with no soul. 799 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:14,424 They both believe the living woman here is like them. 800 00:38:14,426 --> 00:38:16,192 Talking about jennifer? 801 00:38:16,194 --> 00:38:17,694 That's what they said. 802 00:38:17,696 --> 00:38:19,562 They see a kinship with her, 803 00:38:19,564 --> 00:38:22,732 And they are reaching out to turn her bad like they are. 804 00:38:22,734 --> 00:38:26,836 ?? 805 00:38:26,838 --> 00:38:30,407 But I don't want to be bad like they are. 806 00:38:30,409 --> 00:38:33,643 I believe they would like nothing more 807 00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:35,445 Than to drive you insane, 808 00:38:35,447 --> 00:38:38,515 And make you guys kill yourselves. 809 00:38:38,517 --> 00:38:42,652 But it was indicated to me that, if that's not successful, 810 00:38:42,654 --> 00:38:46,289 That they'll work on doing a direct killing. 811 00:38:46,291 --> 00:38:47,791 Oh, my god. 812 00:38:47,793 --> 00:38:54,130 ?? 813 00:39:08,146 --> 00:39:11,047 Jennifer, dana, now we know what's causing the hell 814 00:39:11,049 --> 00:39:12,749 That you and your family have been going through, 815 00:39:12,751 --> 00:39:14,818 But we still haven't answered your big question. 816 00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:16,920 Is there anything you can do to fix this, 817 00:39:16,922 --> 00:39:18,288 Or are you better off just packing up 818 00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:19,889 And getting the hell out of here? 819 00:39:19,891 --> 00:39:21,391 For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to amy. 820 00:39:21,393 --> 00:39:24,894 ?? 821 00:39:24,896 --> 00:39:28,998 So, what I would like you to do is to reach out 822 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,703 To a couple of local pagans. 823 00:39:33,705 --> 00:39:38,007 I haven't heard you mention pagans in a long time. 824 00:39:38,009 --> 00:39:39,809 Why so much for this case? 825 00:39:39,811 --> 00:39:43,413 They're very used to, and quite comfortable 826 00:39:43,415 --> 00:39:47,884 Dealing with very dark things. 827 00:39:47,886 --> 00:39:52,589 Day 1, they need to move on the guy who died from the overdose. 828 00:39:52,591 --> 00:39:55,558 He just needs to be made aware of a few things, 829 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,596 And he'll more or less go fairly easily. 830 00:39:59,598 --> 00:40:04,534 Day 2, they need to remove the old woman and the boy. 831 00:40:04,536 --> 00:40:09,539 So, you may, while they're doing this, want to sleep elsewhere, 832 00:40:09,541 --> 00:40:14,711 Because they may become extremely active, 833 00:40:14,713 --> 00:40:20,150 And things could get chaotic -- more so than it's been. 834 00:40:20,152 --> 00:40:22,285 Once all of this is done, 835 00:40:22,287 --> 00:40:26,089 You guys will be feeling so much better. 836 00:40:26,091 --> 00:40:29,058 It'll feel like a completely different house. 837 00:40:29,060 --> 00:40:33,029 It'll feel very empty, very quiet, and very peaceful. 838 00:40:33,031 --> 00:40:35,532 Well, I'm excited for that, because we haven't felt that 839 00:40:35,534 --> 00:40:37,500 Since we moved in. 840 00:40:37,502 --> 00:40:39,836 Now, when you get this all done, no more nightmares, 841 00:40:39,838 --> 00:40:41,971 No more shadow figures, 842 00:40:41,973 --> 00:40:43,640 No more getting pushed down the stairs. 843 00:40:43,642 --> 00:40:46,309 And the kids will finally get some peace. 844 00:40:46,311 --> 00:40:49,712 Yeah, it's a lot to take in, but... 845 00:40:49,714 --> 00:40:52,582 Definitely very hopeful. 846 00:40:52,584 --> 00:40:56,519 And this is advice that you guys are gonna take, I assume. 847 00:40:56,521 --> 00:40:57,821 Absolutely. Yeah. 848 00:40:57,823 --> 00:40:59,522 I want you to promise me, though, because I love you guys, 849 00:40:59,524 --> 00:41:01,424 And I don't want to see anything bad happen. 850 00:41:01,426 --> 00:41:03,226 - Absolutely. - Without a doubt. 851 00:41:03,228 --> 00:41:07,230 I'm happy to have my bedroom back -- get it back. 852 00:41:07,232 --> 00:41:10,567 I'm ready to get started tomorrow. 853 00:41:10,569 --> 00:41:11,768 That old **** has to go. 854 00:41:11,770 --> 00:41:14,370 This is our house now. So, she had her time, 855 00:41:14,372 --> 00:41:16,773 And time to send her packing. 856 00:41:16,775 --> 00:41:18,308 I can't thank you enough for coming out here, 857 00:41:18,310 --> 00:41:20,577 And doing this for us. 858 00:41:20,579 --> 00:41:24,013 Amy: Jennifer and dana's family has been through hell, 859 00:41:24,015 --> 00:41:27,817 But I believe, if they work with a couple of local pagans, 860 00:41:27,819 --> 00:41:30,353 They'll be able to free their home of evil, 861 00:41:30,355 --> 00:41:32,555 And find the peace they deserve. 862 00:41:36,561 --> 00:41:38,428 Hi, guys. Just wanted to give you an update 863 00:41:38,430 --> 00:41:41,564 On what's been going on in our home since you've been out. 864 00:41:41,566 --> 00:41:45,668 We have had the team of pagan ladies come out, 865 00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:50,106 And perform different ceremonies, rituals on our home. 866 00:41:50,108 --> 00:41:51,841 It's been very peaceful. 867 00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:53,776 Everyone is happy. Moods are better. 868 00:41:53,778 --> 00:41:55,011 We're getting sleep. 869 00:41:55,013 --> 00:41:56,446 We can't thank you guys enough. 870 00:41:56,448 --> 00:41:58,781 You have literally given us our home back. 871 00:41:58,783 --> 00:42:00,884 So, thank you. Keep up the great work. 872 00:42:00,934 --> 00:42:05,484 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 67076

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