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I think he might have been
a stalker.
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I feel something worse
is coming,
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and I'm doing everything
I can to protect them.
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I think he abducted her.
I think he killed her.
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He confesses to 44 murders.
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"You're not safe.
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A bad ghost will come
and get you."
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I'm very worried about
anyone being here at all.
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This monster could become
abusive toward the living.
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And I just feel fear.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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This is like Grand Central
Station for the dead.
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I see dead people.
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They have pain
that they suffered.
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I speak to dead people.
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She hates them, hates them.
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And they speak to me.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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It's a demon.
It's Satan.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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What was the body count,
what happened?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I don't know if
it's a demon or not,
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but it sure as hell
looks like one.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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I feel like I'm crazy.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end...
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I don't even want
to show you this.
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...when we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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I just don't want anything
to happen to my mother.
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...or time to get out.
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You have to get out.
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So I'm up here
in Highland Park, Illinois.
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It's about a half hour north
of Chicago.
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I got a call from a young mom
named Michelle.
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Now, she and her family
recently moved
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into what they thought would
have been their dream home,
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but after months of
relentless paranormal attacks,
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she says living there
is hell on Earth.
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Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the area
of any leading information.
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Photographs, toys,
and other personal items
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have to be covered or removed.
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When I'm finished,
the location will be ready
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for tonight's walk.
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There is a darkness here,
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like a complete layer
of darkness
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that's trying to get
through my protections,
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which is really concerning.
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This area -- it collects
the bad from people.
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Then I just got
people in misery and memories.
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So, Michelle,
I'm glad I'm here
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'cause when we spoke
on the phone,
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I could hear the emotions
in your voice.
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What the hell is going on?
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It's been living hell
around here.
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I'm in fear for
my children's safety.
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They're being attacked
physically, emotionally.
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So am I.
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Who all lives here
in the house?
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Well, here we have...
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This is my husband,
Matthew. Okay.
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This is our 11-year-old son,
Teddy,
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and our darling
little daughter, Evie.
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She's 7.
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All right, Michelle, do me
a favor and give me a rundown
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of what the hell's
going on here.
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We've been hearing
disembodied voices.
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We have objects
that move on their own.
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We've been having
electrical issues.
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We've also been having
shadow figures.
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Recently, there have been
physical attacks,
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and my daughter's health
is being affected.
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In what way?
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She keeps getting sick --
nausea, vomiting.
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And you believe
it's the paranormal?
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I do.
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She didn't get sick
like this before.
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Taken her to the doctors
several times,
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and they say that
there's nothing wrong with her.
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How you dealing with it
on a day-to-day basis?
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When we're home, the feelings
that you feel are intensified.
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Something that would normally,
you know, might annoy you
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just piss you off
to high hell.
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What do you think is here?
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Well, I think my ex-fiancé,
Casey, is here.
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He died when he was 21,
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and it was very,
very sudden.
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Sorry.
No, it's okay.
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What were
the circumstances?
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The doctor said that it felt
like an asthma attack to him.
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This is him.
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He died in Chicago,
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and he took a very large
part of me with him,
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but he has found me
wherever we've gone.
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I mean, you don't think Casey
is causing any harm?
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No, no.
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I think if anything,
he's trying to protect us.
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Okay.
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What do you think
whatever's here wants?
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I think there's something here
that wants to
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suck the life out of me
and my children.
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It feels like
it's slowly killing me.
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So, this is not good.
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I'm seeing a lot of dead people.
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There's a bunch of people.
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It's almost like
they're putting...
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dead people on hold in there.
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I guess that's what
they were talking about --
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this layer of darkness.
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There's, like, one dead female
who really wants
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the **** out of there.
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All right, Michelle, so
obviously this is the kitchen.
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What's going on in here?
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We're having a lot
of electrical issues.
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We have the TV turning
on and off by itself,
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speakers connecting
and disconnecting... Okay.
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...and all the lights
in the house have been turned on
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when we were all asleep.
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So, now, do you have
those motion detectors --
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when you walk into the room,
the lights go on?
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- We do not.
- Okay, anything else?
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I was meditating one day,
and as I'm looking up,
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I'm seeing all this black gunk
come out of my mouth
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and raise up to the ceiling.
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And there's a woman, like,
plastered against the ceiling,
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and the black gunk
is encircling her
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and going in and out
of her mouth.
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So, I know meditation can be
very relaxing, right?
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So is it possible
you fell asleep
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and this was just
a nightmare?
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No chance.
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I've meditated plenty of times
to know the difference.
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Okay. You got some crazy
**** going on here.
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Yes.
I'm terrified.
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I think
it wants to kill me.
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I'm seeing an elderly woman.
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She causes
a lot of **** ruckus,
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lots of noise at night.
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I do believe she lived here.
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You know, she hasn't moved on.
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So, I think the living
are hearing, you know,
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basically an elderly woman
up at night
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and just fussing around
and making stuff and cleaning
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and talking to her animals
and mumbling.
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I get, like,
the fear factor here.
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Okay, so what's
going on up here?
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Very often, it will feel
as if someone or something
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is sitting on the bed
with me
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or crawls onto the bed
or even lays down next to me.
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I mean, is it possible
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that's your husband
getting into the bed?
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It happens whether
he's in the bed or not.
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Anything else going on
in this room?
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I've been scratched
and had bruises left on me.
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I have a couple pictures,
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and these are each
when I have been fully awake.
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Anything else like this
happen to you?
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Yes.
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I have been attacked
sexually.
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And how often
does this happen?
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It happens up to
a few times a month.
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I'm able to feel the hand,
like, moving down me.
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I'm afraid to even ask you
if there's anything else.
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I mean,
are you sleeping at all?
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Barely.
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I have nightmares
all the time,
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every single night.
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By far the most jarring
and horrible for me
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is the ones about my kids.
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I've seen them drown.
I've seen them shot.
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I've seen them stabbed
like they're being murdered.
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They're killing themselves.
They...
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All right.
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I feel something worse
is coming,
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and I'm doing everything
I can to protect them,
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and I can't
protect them.
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Yeah. Come here.
Come here.
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I'm sorry.
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There's a strange-looking
dead guy out here.
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You can see him,
but always in a blur.
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I call him the blurry man
'cause he literally looks
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like a watercolored painting
that was smudged.
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So, the blurry guy,
when he's up here,
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likes this room.
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He likes to watch.
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If the lights are off,
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they might see him
as a shadow person,
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and he can be physical.
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Nightmares, nightmares.
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I'm gonna say
that he likes this person.
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This is an actual living person
in the house.
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I think he thinks if he can
completely manifest, like,
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he'd kind of be alive again
or something,
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and I think that's not good.
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So, Teddy,
how old are you?
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11.
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11. okay.
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So, I was talking to Mom,
and she said
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there's some scary things
going on in the house.
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- Yeah.
- Okay.
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Can you tell me about
some of the things
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that are bothering you here?
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I play with my toys on my desk,
and I go to sleep.
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I wake up.
They're on the ground.
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Okay, so when you go to sleep
at night,
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you keep your toys
up on top?
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Yeah, right there.
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And you wake up,
they're on...
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- Yeah.
- Okay.
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You think your little sister
is playing tricks on you?
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No.
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All right, buddy,
anything else?
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Whenever I'm alone,
I feel like I'm being watched.
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Do you have any idea
what it might be
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that's actually
watching you?
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Not really,
but I know that it --
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most of the time,
it makes me feel nervous.
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You get a sense that whatever's
here is trying to hurt you?
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Sometimes, yes.
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I don't like this.
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Blurry dude
comes up in here.
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So he can open and close doors.
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He does that sometimes.
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If he wants to spy,
or watch like he does,
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he has to open the door to see.
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I think he has a particular
attachment to this room.
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He does kind of give this person
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the feeling that they shouldn't
be in here,
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feeling like, "Got to go" --
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tension, anxiety, nervous.
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So, Matt, I was talking
to your wife today,
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and she mentioned
that she thinks
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whatever's in this house
is dangerous,
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and especially dangerous
for the kids.
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Do you have any opinions
on that?
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I've always been a skeptic
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and not really believed
in this sort of thing.
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So let me ask you
a question.
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Have you had
any experiences at all?
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Yeah.
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A lot of times,
I will hear voices,
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sometimes footsteps.
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Okay, anything else?
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Sometimes when I'm going
up the stairs in the basement,
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I get this feeling
like something's
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pulling me back down,
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like a magnetic
or, like, an emotional pull.
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So you've had a lot
of experiences
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for somebody
that's a skeptic so far.
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I'm just not 100%.
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I'm having a really hard time
with it.
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Why do you think that is?
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Part of me
kind of feels like
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I'm not providing
and protecting,
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doing my job as a father.
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But what could I do,
you know?
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This is weird.
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So, I don't know when,
but at some point,
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somebody collected --
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somehow collected or captured
all these dead people.
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It's like a box, in a clear box,
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and I can see these dead people
are wanting out.
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Really loud.
It hurts.
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They're dark.
They're really dark.
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Pain and misery.
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So, Evelyn, sweetie,
how old are you?
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7.
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Okay. So I was talking
to Mommy today.
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She was telling me about
some of the scary things
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that are going on.
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Yeah, can you tell me about some
of the stuff that's scaring you?
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When I go down
in the basement,
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I feel like people are
following me, chasing me.
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Like, kind of like ghosts?
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So, dead people.
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Okay, so anything else,
sweetie?
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I kind of feel like there's
people in my head, saying,
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"You're not safe.
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A bad ghost will come
and get you."
285
00:14:43,992 --> 00:14:45,992
So, you have a voice
that tells you
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that you may have
a bad ghost in here?
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Okay.
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You feel like
it wants to hurt you?
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Kay.
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Mommy was saying that you've
been getting sick a lot lately.
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One minute of cold,
I get sick.
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If we can fix this, you want
to stay in this house?
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Don't like this room.
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Horrible, horrible.
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So, I'm seeing this guy,
and he's, like,
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dropped to his hands and knees,
and he's, like, trying to pray.
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He's like, "Ahhhh."
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So I'm thinking maybe
this person is sick.
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He's praying for somebody --
whoever's in this bed.
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And I see him
falling to his knees
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and starting to pray,
and then it's, "Whoomp,"
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and then becomes visibly
this thing,
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like a monster.
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It's, like, got red skin,
like, a reddish-orange skin,
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stringy, dark, dirty hair,
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long twisted face.
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00:16:05,006 --> 00:16:07,941
Do you have any idea
what this thing is yet?
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00:16:07,943 --> 00:16:09,342
I don't know.
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There's illness.
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Stomach is
very, very, very bad.
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So is this thing
dangerous?
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Yes. It can interact
with the living,
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I think, being abusive,
scaring them.
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It's **** insane in here.
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00:16:44,545 --> 00:16:46,813
Michelle is convinced
all the electrical stuff
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happening in her house is
related to the activity there.
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I'm heading back there now
to meet an electrical inspector
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to find out if there's
a simpler explanation
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00:16:54,955 --> 00:16:57,823
to the things Michelle and
her family are going through.
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00:17:03,631 --> 00:17:04,963
Will, thanks for coming out
and meeting me.
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00:17:04,965 --> 00:17:06,298
I appreciate it.
No problem. No problem.
322
00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:08,700
So, my clients here
are having all kinds
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of electrical problems
in the house.
324
00:17:10,371 --> 00:17:12,505
Stuff's going on and off
on its own.
325
00:17:12,507 --> 00:17:14,307
Can you think of anything
that might cause that?
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00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:16,909
Well, it could be
some electrical issues.
327
00:17:16,911 --> 00:17:18,777
We're right near
the high-tension lines.
328
00:17:18,779 --> 00:17:21,113
Sometimes you get
interference from that.
329
00:17:21,115 --> 00:17:23,115
Okay, so do me a favor.
Go in there, do your thing.
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00:17:23,117 --> 00:17:24,383
Inspect this place for me,
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00:17:24,385 --> 00:17:25,918
and let me know
if there's any problems.
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Beautiful.
Okay.
333
00:17:28,790 --> 00:17:31,791
I have no idea what Amy's
gonna find during her walk,
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00:17:31,793 --> 00:17:33,859
but when you work a case,
you have to rule out
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00:17:33,861 --> 00:17:37,062
the obvious first,
and that's what I'm doing here.
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00:17:37,064 --> 00:17:39,365
If there are electrical issues
in the house,
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00:17:39,367 --> 00:17:40,999
it could explain
some of what Michelle
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00:17:41,001 --> 00:17:42,668
and her family are dealing with.
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00:17:42,670 --> 00:17:45,304
We'd get that issue fixed,
and they'd be good to go.
340
00:17:47,475 --> 00:17:48,740
All right.
So, how'd it go?
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00:17:48,742 --> 00:17:51,477
Pretty good, pretty good.
Nothing really major.
342
00:17:51,479 --> 00:17:53,479
All right,
so as far as devices
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00:17:53,481 --> 00:17:55,081
turning on and off
by themselves,
344
00:17:55,083 --> 00:17:56,815
nothing you've found
would cause that?
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00:17:56,817 --> 00:17:58,751
No, nothing electrical.
346
00:17:58,753 --> 00:18:00,052
Okay.
347
00:18:03,491 --> 00:18:06,092
I'm seeing the blurry man again.
348
00:18:06,094 --> 00:18:07,826
How would it
interact with the living?
349
00:18:07,828 --> 00:18:09,228
He does move objects.
350
00:18:09,230 --> 00:18:11,831
He can open and close doors.
351
00:18:11,833 --> 00:18:13,899
He can affect electricity.
352
00:18:13,901 --> 00:18:17,903
Everything will go on
and be crazy.
353
00:18:17,905 --> 00:18:22,108
Is that anything that the living
are in danger from?
354
00:18:22,110 --> 00:18:24,243
It might be
a slight possibility
355
00:18:24,245 --> 00:18:29,382
if he could become enraged
or have a kind of mental break,
356
00:18:29,384 --> 00:18:31,317
and then I don't know
what could happen.
357
00:18:33,587 --> 00:18:35,854
We've done cases
in the Chicago area before,
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00:18:35,856 --> 00:18:38,057
so I already have
some connections here.
359
00:18:38,059 --> 00:18:39,658
I asked my old buddy
John Schmidt,
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00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:42,127
who's an historian,
to do some digging for me.
361
00:18:42,129 --> 00:18:43,729
Now, he says
when the original owner
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00:18:43,731 --> 00:18:45,531
of Michelle's property died,
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00:18:45,533 --> 00:18:48,267
his wife was so desperate
to keep the property,
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00:18:48,269 --> 00:18:51,003
she did something
he's never seen before.
365
00:18:51,005 --> 00:18:53,239
It sounds like it's really
gonna help my case.
366
00:19:00,281 --> 00:19:02,281
Well, John, thanks for
meeting me and helping me out.
367
00:19:02,283 --> 00:19:04,549
So, the original owners
of my clients' property --
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00:19:04,551 --> 00:19:06,285
let's start there
with who they were
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00:19:06,287 --> 00:19:07,553
and when did they
get there?
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00:19:07,555 --> 00:19:09,688
That was
John and Elizabeth Corcoran,
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00:19:09,690 --> 00:19:10,957
and they came from Ireland,
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00:19:10,959 --> 00:19:13,225
bought your clients' property
in 1846--
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00:19:13,227 --> 00:19:14,826
a newly married couple.
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00:19:14,828 --> 00:19:16,828
They lived there.
They had three children.
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00:19:16,830 --> 00:19:18,764
So, now, I know
the husband dies.
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00:19:18,766 --> 00:19:20,032
When does that happen?
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00:19:20,034 --> 00:19:22,768
He starts getting these pains
in his mouth.
378
00:19:22,770 --> 00:19:24,236
It turns out
he's got mouth cancer.
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00:19:24,238 --> 00:19:25,971
Geez.
And, yeah, he hangs on,
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00:19:25,973 --> 00:19:30,710
and he dies in July of 1859,
and he's only in his 40s.
381
00:19:30,712 --> 00:19:33,979
We got the death certificate
right here.
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00:19:33,981 --> 00:19:35,581
So he's, what, 44?
383
00:19:35,583 --> 00:19:37,183
Yeah, yeah, 44.
384
00:19:37,185 --> 00:19:38,583
John, you mentioned
on the phone
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00:19:38,585 --> 00:19:40,386
that the wife did something
crazy after the husband died.
386
00:19:40,388 --> 00:19:41,854
What's the story
with that?
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00:19:41,856 --> 00:19:46,192
John Corcoran had left
the house to his wife... Okay.
388
00:19:46,194 --> 00:19:49,328
...but the property --
your clients' property --
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00:19:49,330 --> 00:19:50,596
he left
to the three children,
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00:19:50,598 --> 00:19:52,999
and they were
under 12 years of age,
391
00:19:53,001 --> 00:19:55,601
and, plus, he left this
whole big mountain of debt,
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00:19:55,603 --> 00:19:58,871
and Elizabeth didn't have
any way to pay this debt.
393
00:19:58,873 --> 00:20:02,141
She actually sues
the kids in court
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00:20:02,143 --> 00:20:05,477
to try to get control
of your clients' property.
395
00:20:05,479 --> 00:20:06,812
What happens
with the lawsuit?
396
00:20:06,814 --> 00:20:09,081
Well, she won the lawsuit,
but it was only temporary
397
00:20:09,083 --> 00:20:12,418
because she still owed
all of these debts,
398
00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:13,819
and she lost the property
again anyway,
399
00:20:13,821 --> 00:20:15,554
and they had to
sell it at auction.
400
00:20:15,556 --> 00:20:17,356
All right, so John,
she loses the property,
401
00:20:17,358 --> 00:20:18,623
loses the house.
402
00:20:18,625 --> 00:20:20,025
What happens to her?
403
00:20:20,027 --> 00:20:22,227
Well, Elizabeth and kids --
they're left with nothing.
404
00:20:22,229 --> 00:20:23,896
They had to sell this house
at auction,
405
00:20:23,898 --> 00:20:25,898
but then in
the bizarre twist,
406
00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:30,703
she marries the man who bought
the property at auction.
407
00:20:30,705 --> 00:20:32,438
He's several years older
than her. Okay.
408
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,372
This is
Frederick William Tillman.
409
00:20:34,374 --> 00:20:36,208
All right. So now she's back
on my clients' property.
410
00:20:36,210 --> 00:20:37,176
How's it go for her?
411
00:20:37,178 --> 00:20:41,313
Unfortunately,
a few years later,
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00:20:41,315 --> 00:20:44,516
Frederick William Tillman
died in 1874.
413
00:20:44,518 --> 00:20:48,253
He's 72 years old,
and for some reason,
414
00:20:48,255 --> 00:20:51,256
he didn't leave a will
with his wife in it,
415
00:20:51,258 --> 00:20:54,794
so once again,
she loses your clients' land.
416
00:20:54,796 --> 00:20:55,794
Okay.
417
00:20:55,796 --> 00:20:56,996
Second time a widow,
418
00:20:56,998 --> 00:20:59,865
second time
losing your clients' land.
419
00:20:59,867 --> 00:21:03,201
Lost it all.
Sad situation.
420
00:21:06,207 --> 00:21:08,541
I'm seeing
the elderly woman again.
421
00:21:08,543 --> 00:21:10,409
Can you tell anything
about her in life?
422
00:21:10,411 --> 00:21:12,344
I do believe she lived here,
423
00:21:12,346 --> 00:21:17,016
but she's in denial about
basically everything.
424
00:21:17,018 --> 00:21:19,885
She was little,
maybe Italian descent.
425
00:21:19,887 --> 00:21:21,087
I'm not sure.
426
00:21:21,089 --> 00:21:23,289
I'm getting, like,
late 70s with her.
427
00:21:23,291 --> 00:21:25,824
So I think that
she died here, I do,
428
00:21:25,826 --> 00:21:27,626
or started
her death process here --
429
00:21:27,628 --> 00:21:29,962
probably heart,
something with the heart.
430
00:21:34,701 --> 00:21:38,037
So it's really not good.
431
00:21:46,514 --> 00:21:48,514
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432
00:21:48,516 --> 00:21:49,982
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433
00:21:49,984 --> 00:21:51,784
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434
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435
00:21:55,389 --> 00:21:57,389
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436
00:21:57,391 --> 00:21:58,357
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437
00:22:13,117 --> 00:22:15,050
So far, I've got
a mother worried sick
438
00:22:15,052 --> 00:22:17,920
over the safety of her kids
on a property
439
00:22:17,922 --> 00:22:21,123
where one of the original owners
lost her land twice.
440
00:22:23,794 --> 00:22:27,528
But I want to see
if there's anything else.
441
00:22:27,530 --> 00:22:30,165
Searching through old records,
I find a murder that happened
442
00:22:30,167 --> 00:22:32,467
near Michelle's house
back in the '40s.
443
00:22:34,872 --> 00:22:37,271
So I'm headed over to meet
a true-crime author.
444
00:22:37,273 --> 00:22:40,141
He says the perp was one of
the most prolific serial killers
445
00:22:40,143 --> 00:22:41,676
in U.S. history,
446
00:22:41,678 --> 00:22:43,211
and the guy claimed
he put a curse
447
00:22:43,213 --> 00:22:45,680
on everyone involved
in bringing him down.
448
00:22:53,090 --> 00:22:55,289
Well, Rich, I
appreciate you looking into this case for me.
449
00:22:55,291 --> 00:22:56,825
Now, let's start with
the woman
450
00:22:56,827 --> 00:22:58,293
who was murdered
near my clients' property.
451
00:22:58,295 --> 00:22:59,695
What do we know about her?
452
00:22:59,697 --> 00:23:01,897
Alta Bernice Fulkerson.
453
00:23:01,899 --> 00:23:06,101
She was a 35-year-old
spinster living with her parents
454
00:23:06,103 --> 00:23:08,236
not far from
your clients' property.
455
00:23:08,238 --> 00:23:09,971
Let's talk about the murder.
What happened?
456
00:23:09,973 --> 00:23:12,240
Her parents had gone away
for the weekend.
457
00:23:12,242 --> 00:23:13,775
In the wee hours
of the morning,
458
00:23:13,777 --> 00:23:16,044
a criminal thug entered
the residence,
459
00:23:16,046 --> 00:23:17,512
dragged her from the house,
460
00:23:17,514 --> 00:23:19,982
assaulted her,
and left her for dead.
461
00:23:23,686 --> 00:23:27,322
I see a dead male wearing, like,
462
00:23:27,324 --> 00:23:29,657
a trench coat and a hat.
463
00:23:29,659 --> 00:23:30,725
He's black.
464
00:23:30,727 --> 00:23:32,194
He's in his 40s or 50s,
465
00:23:32,196 --> 00:23:35,797
but always in the shadows.
466
00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:38,533
I think he might have been
a stalker.
467
00:23:38,535 --> 00:23:42,604
He's about dominating
and sexually motivated.
468
00:23:42,606 --> 00:23:45,474
Then I'm seeing this woman.
469
00:23:45,476 --> 00:23:48,276
She was 20 to 35.
470
00:23:48,278 --> 00:23:50,812
I think he abducted her.
I think he killed her.
471
00:23:50,814 --> 00:23:51,880
And I think he buried her
472
00:23:51,882 --> 00:23:56,618
in possibly then
what was a field.
473
00:23:56,620 --> 00:23:58,086
All right, so what's
the official cause of death
474
00:23:58,088 --> 00:24:00,021
on this poor lady?
475
00:24:00,023 --> 00:24:03,491
The official cause
was blunt-force trauma.
476
00:24:03,493 --> 00:24:08,563
It's probable that she was
sexually assaulted.
477
00:24:08,565 --> 00:24:10,431
So, from our conversation
on the phone,
478
00:24:10,433 --> 00:24:12,367
I know this guy was caught.
How'd that happen?
479
00:24:12,369 --> 00:24:16,371
So, five years pass.
The case goes cold.
480
00:24:16,373 --> 00:24:21,242
In 1947, a 46-year-old drifter
named Jake Bird
481
00:24:21,244 --> 00:24:23,578
is apprehended
in Tacoma, Washington,
482
00:24:23,580 --> 00:24:25,113
fleeing the scene
of the crime
483
00:24:25,115 --> 00:24:28,449
where he had murdered
a mother and a daughter.
484
00:24:28,451 --> 00:24:30,919
- This is him?
- That's Jake Bird.
485
00:24:30,921 --> 00:24:34,055
There seems to be a pattern
to his homicides.
486
00:24:34,057 --> 00:24:38,726
He bludgeoned and then
sexually assaulted the victims.
487
00:24:42,866 --> 00:24:48,736
There are some random dead
that come from over here...
488
00:24:53,544 --> 00:24:58,346
...and they're naked,
and it's mostly women.
489
00:24:58,348 --> 00:25:01,415
I see them coming out
of the ground.
490
00:25:01,417 --> 00:25:02,750
They're relatively young, too.
491
00:25:02,752 --> 00:25:06,621
I'd say all of them --
like, 35 and under.
492
00:25:06,623 --> 00:25:12,760
I think that these women were
killed over a 10-year time span.
493
00:25:12,762 --> 00:25:16,764
They were raped and murdered
and dumped.
494
00:25:16,766 --> 00:25:18,099
By separate
different people?
495
00:25:18,101 --> 00:25:20,568
No, same person.
496
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:22,236
All right,
so now he's pretty much
497
00:25:22,238 --> 00:25:23,972
caught red-handed
in Tacoma.
498
00:25:23,974 --> 00:25:25,373
What happened
with that case?
499
00:25:25,375 --> 00:25:29,511
He's convicted of the murder
of the two Tacoma women,
500
00:25:29,513 --> 00:25:32,180
and he is sentenced to death
on the gallows.
501
00:25:32,182 --> 00:25:33,648
Okay, so they're
gonna hang him.
502
00:25:33,650 --> 00:25:37,585
As the execution date
draws closer, Bird panics.
503
00:25:37,587 --> 00:25:40,855
He confesses to 44 murders
in an effort
504
00:25:40,857 --> 00:25:42,991
to get his sentence
commuted to life.
505
00:25:42,993 --> 00:25:44,326
How's that work out
for him?
506
00:25:44,328 --> 00:25:46,795
Well, it doesn't work out
according to his plan.
507
00:25:46,797 --> 00:25:48,196
He's executed.
508
00:25:48,198 --> 00:25:49,664
Now, Rich, you mentioned
on the phone
509
00:25:49,666 --> 00:25:52,800
that this guy put a curse on
the people that prosecuted him.
510
00:25:52,802 --> 00:25:54,269
What's the story
with that?
511
00:25:54,271 --> 00:25:56,871
Jake Bird vowed that
all the people
512
00:25:56,873 --> 00:26:01,475
involved with his prosecution
were going to die before he did.
513
00:26:01,477 --> 00:26:04,746
Within less than
a year's time,
514
00:26:04,748 --> 00:26:08,950
five individuals die
of a heart attack,
515
00:26:08,952 --> 00:26:12,420
including the deputy sheriff
who he confessed to
516
00:26:12,422 --> 00:26:15,023
and the presiding judge
at the trial.
517
00:26:15,025 --> 00:26:16,024
You're kidding me.
518
00:26:16,026 --> 00:26:17,959
This is all documented.
519
00:26:17,961 --> 00:26:19,561
What are the chances
of that?
520
00:26:22,432 --> 00:26:25,300
These women --
they do go into the house...
521
00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:31,239
...but it's only
when they're called.
522
00:26:31,241 --> 00:26:33,041
You don't know
by whom or what?
523
00:26:33,043 --> 00:26:34,643
I'd say a living person.
524
00:26:38,515 --> 00:26:40,982
The only thing I could, like,
maybe think of
525
00:26:40,984 --> 00:26:45,520
is that somebody's a sensitive,
and they're dreaming this.
526
00:26:45,522 --> 00:26:48,322
Somebody's having dreams
about women,
527
00:26:48,324 --> 00:26:50,792
I mean, who were murdered
or something.
528
00:26:50,794 --> 00:26:52,927
They are seeking whoever's
putting the call out,
529
00:26:52,929 --> 00:26:54,529
seeking that person.
530
00:27:02,939 --> 00:27:05,539
I saw several disturbing things
on my walk,
531
00:27:05,541 --> 00:27:06,941
but two stood out --
532
00:27:06,943 --> 00:27:10,212
first, the monster
in the upstairs bedroom.
533
00:27:10,214 --> 00:27:13,814
There was a younger male
534
00:27:13,816 --> 00:27:19,421
who then transformed
into a monster.
535
00:27:19,423 --> 00:27:24,125
The eyes were just kind of
black, but also kind of twisted.
536
00:27:26,429 --> 00:27:29,163
The top of the eyes
are off.
537
00:27:29,165 --> 00:27:32,367
Okay.
538
00:27:32,369 --> 00:27:36,371
Next, I described the trapped
souls in the basement.
539
00:27:36,373 --> 00:27:39,240
I saw a naked woman
540
00:27:39,242 --> 00:27:43,978
who was trying to get out.
541
00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:46,514
I could actually see her palm
being smushed
542
00:27:46,516 --> 00:27:50,318
against this...
invisible door.
543
00:27:52,856 --> 00:27:55,523
Amy, is this what you saw?
544
00:27:55,525 --> 00:27:57,325
Yes, that's what I saw.
545
00:28:23,685 --> 00:28:26,619
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
546
00:28:26,621 --> 00:28:28,822
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
547
00:28:28,824 --> 00:28:32,025
and our clients
for the first time.
548
00:28:32,027 --> 00:28:35,295
So, Amy, I'd like you to meet
Michelle and her husband, Matt.
549
00:28:35,297 --> 00:28:38,031
Now, they moved into this house
about eight months ago
550
00:28:38,033 --> 00:28:41,701
with their two sweet kids.
551
00:28:41,703 --> 00:28:43,437
This is Teddy, who's 11,
552
00:28:43,439 --> 00:28:45,905
and this is Evelyn,
who is 7.
553
00:28:45,907 --> 00:28:47,307
Michelle says
something in the house
554
00:28:47,309 --> 00:28:48,975
is attacking her
and the kids,
555
00:28:48,977 --> 00:28:51,845
and if you can't find a way
to stop it,
556
00:28:51,847 --> 00:28:53,313
someone's gonna die.
557
00:28:53,315 --> 00:28:55,715
So now that Amy knows
who you guys are,
558
00:28:55,717 --> 00:28:57,784
I'll ask her to describe
her walk for us.
559
00:29:00,856 --> 00:29:05,725
So, when I got here,
I encountered a male,
560
00:29:05,727 --> 00:29:10,464
and he is
really active here.
561
00:29:10,466 --> 00:29:12,732
He's rather thin
and tall.
562
00:29:12,734 --> 00:29:15,268
I know he had light skin
and darker hair.
563
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:16,736
I called him
the blurry man
564
00:29:16,738 --> 00:29:19,473
because he looks like
blurred watercolor,
565
00:29:19,475 --> 00:29:21,942
you know, so there's
no real definition.
566
00:29:21,944 --> 00:29:25,412
The major thing that he affects
is electricity,
567
00:29:25,414 --> 00:29:27,948
so nothing here really,
you know,
568
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:30,217
works the way it should.
569
00:29:30,219 --> 00:29:35,155
I was woken up at 4:15 a.m.
one night
570
00:29:35,157 --> 00:29:38,759
by a Bluetooth speaker
blaring,
571
00:29:38,761 --> 00:29:41,962
and the TV channels
will sometimes
572
00:29:41,964 --> 00:29:44,898
switch inputs
all by itself.
573
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:46,699
I brought in
a certified master inspector --
574
00:29:46,701 --> 00:29:48,568
basically an electrician.
575
00:29:49,972 --> 00:29:52,973
He couldn't find anything
with the stuff going on and off.
576
00:29:52,975 --> 00:29:54,907
Interesting.
577
00:29:54,909 --> 00:29:58,311
The most concerning thing
was that he can
578
00:29:58,313 --> 00:29:59,579
be physical with the living,
579
00:29:59,581 --> 00:30:02,381
so he may be able
to touch you.
580
00:30:02,383 --> 00:30:04,650
I experience that
all the time.
581
00:30:04,652 --> 00:30:06,652
It makes me feel like
I'm going crazy.
582
00:30:06,654 --> 00:30:09,256
And, like,
he specifically...
583
00:30:09,258 --> 00:30:10,924
Like, the master bedroom --
584
00:30:10,926 --> 00:30:14,461
he does like one person
in there in particular.
585
00:30:14,463 --> 00:30:19,265
The tall, thin guy, like,
messing with you.
586
00:30:19,267 --> 00:30:23,203
I mean, it sounds just like
Casey, right?
587
00:30:26,008 --> 00:30:27,941
Who's Casey?
588
00:30:27,943 --> 00:30:30,610
When I met Michelle,
her fiancé had passed away
589
00:30:30,612 --> 00:30:35,415
of a freak-accident
asthma attack.
590
00:30:35,417 --> 00:30:38,618
Casey was 21
when he died.
591
00:30:38,620 --> 00:30:44,290
I've always, you know,
kind of felt him around.
592
00:30:44,292 --> 00:30:46,159
I got a photo of him
right here.
593
00:30:51,033 --> 00:30:55,302
It seems to me that
it could possibly be him.
594
00:30:55,304 --> 00:31:00,574
I feel, like, guilty
that Casey's here.
595
00:31:00,576 --> 00:31:05,311
I feel like it must be,
like, my fault somehow.
596
00:31:05,313 --> 00:31:10,517
The weight of it is almost
like losing him over again.
597
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:15,221
You've said this blurry guy
can get physical.
598
00:31:15,223 --> 00:31:17,657
We need to talk about some
of the issues you're having.
599
00:31:17,659 --> 00:31:22,862
So, I get touched,
like, sexually.
600
00:31:22,864 --> 00:31:24,664
I can, like, feel the --
601
00:31:24,666 --> 00:31:29,202
his fingers or hand, like,
going down my stomach.
602
00:31:29,204 --> 00:31:30,469
Tell her about
the other stuff --
603
00:31:30,471 --> 00:31:31,871
the scratching,
the bruising.
604
00:31:31,873 --> 00:31:34,340
Yeah. I can be sitting
in my bed,
605
00:31:34,342 --> 00:31:36,142
feel, like, a burn,
606
00:31:36,144 --> 00:31:39,579
and I'd go to the mirror,
and there'll be a scratch.
607
00:31:39,581 --> 00:31:43,617
I got a couple of pictures
she gave me.
608
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,686
Is Casey doing this?
609
00:31:46,688 --> 00:31:49,756
No, it's somebody else.
610
00:31:53,094 --> 00:31:56,129
All right.
So, what else did you see?
611
00:31:56,131 --> 00:31:59,766
So, when I was downstairs
in the basement,
612
00:31:59,768 --> 00:32:05,304
I could see that there were
a lot of dead people,
613
00:32:05,306 --> 00:32:08,041
and they were trapped.
614
00:32:08,043 --> 00:32:11,444
So, I don't know when,
but at some point,
615
00:32:11,446 --> 00:32:13,713
somebody collected --
616
00:32:13,715 --> 00:32:18,184
somehow collected or captured
all these dead people.
617
00:32:18,186 --> 00:32:20,453
It's like a box, in a clear box,
618
00:32:20,455 --> 00:32:24,591
and I can see these dead people
are wanting out.
619
00:32:24,593 --> 00:32:27,260
Now, Matt, you've had a weird
thing going on in the basement.
620
00:32:27,262 --> 00:32:29,328
Yeah.
When I'm going up the stairs,
621
00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:32,666
I feel like I'm, like, getting
pulled back down the stairs.
622
00:32:32,668 --> 00:32:34,000
I don't know what it is.
623
00:32:34,002 --> 00:32:37,537
Now, is that caused by
the dead people downstairs?
624
00:32:37,539 --> 00:32:39,606
Yeah.
625
00:32:39,608 --> 00:32:45,212
I had a sketch done
of what I saw in the basement.
626
00:32:51,286 --> 00:32:52,919
It's pretty creepy.
627
00:32:54,623 --> 00:32:56,289
Holy crap.
628
00:32:56,291 --> 00:32:59,158
I hate that room.
629
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,895
I've always hated
that room.
630
00:33:01,897 --> 00:33:04,631
It feels like
it's a crowded room,
631
00:33:04,633 --> 00:33:06,699
and I thought I was nuts.
632
00:33:06,701 --> 00:33:10,704
I get that feeling, too --
kind of a creeped-out vibe.
633
00:33:10,706 --> 00:33:13,039
Honestly, I'm just kind of
shook right now.
634
00:33:16,178 --> 00:33:20,713
When I went outside,
635
00:33:20,715 --> 00:33:24,584
I encountered
four different women,
636
00:33:24,586 --> 00:33:27,520
and they had
each been murdered.
637
00:33:27,522 --> 00:33:29,122
They were all white.
638
00:33:29,124 --> 00:33:35,661
They all seemed to be
between the ages of 20 and 35.
639
00:33:35,663 --> 00:33:38,998
They were killed by
a stalker
640
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,268
in a very similar manner.
641
00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:45,671
They were all raped
and murdered and dumped,
642
00:33:45,673 --> 00:33:49,943
and all of this happened
over a span
643
00:33:49,945 --> 00:33:53,212
of approximately 10 years.
644
00:33:53,214 --> 00:33:54,681
When I saw these women,
645
00:33:54,683 --> 00:33:56,683
they were coming
out of the ground
646
00:33:56,685 --> 00:33:59,151
to come into the house.
647
00:33:59,153 --> 00:34:00,953
A lot of things she's talking
about reminds me of a guy
648
00:34:00,955 --> 00:34:02,989
I came across in my research.
649
00:34:02,991 --> 00:34:04,757
His name was Jake Bird.
650
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:07,827
I've got a photo of him
right here.
651
00:34:07,829 --> 00:34:10,163
Now, if Jake did
half of what he claimed,
652
00:34:10,165 --> 00:34:12,899
he was probably one of the most
prolific serial killers
653
00:34:12,901 --> 00:34:14,501
in U.S. history.
654
00:34:14,503 --> 00:34:18,104
He was active in this
neighborhood back in the 1940s.
655
00:34:18,106 --> 00:34:22,375
On June 24, 1942, he murdered a
35-year-old spinster
656
00:34:22,377 --> 00:34:25,779
named Alta Fulkerson
right down the road from here.
657
00:34:25,781 --> 00:34:28,648
Holy ****.
658
00:34:28,650 --> 00:34:31,318
I got a picture
of her here.
659
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,586
Now, Bird's M.O. was exactly
what you described.
660
00:34:33,588 --> 00:34:37,123
He raped Fulkerson,
dragged her out of the house,
661
00:34:37,125 --> 00:34:39,458
and bashed her head in
with a rock.
662
00:34:39,460 --> 00:34:41,727
Now, to try to get out of
the death penalty,
663
00:34:41,729 --> 00:34:44,130
Bird started confessing
to all these other crimes.
664
00:34:44,132 --> 00:34:46,999
Now, he claimed to have killed
44 people.
665
00:34:47,001 --> 00:34:49,268
Cops were able to confirm
12 of them,
666
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:52,138
including Alta's murder.
667
00:34:52,140 --> 00:34:54,340
Now, here's the crazy part
about the story.
668
00:34:54,342 --> 00:34:58,211
Before Bird went to the gallows,
he put a curse on the people
669
00:34:58,213 --> 00:35:00,613
that were involved
in his conviction.
670
00:35:00,615 --> 00:35:02,749
He said all the people
who were involved in it
671
00:35:02,751 --> 00:35:04,884
would die before he did.
672
00:35:04,886 --> 00:35:07,487
Now, believe it or not,
within two months,
673
00:35:07,489 --> 00:35:11,691
four of the officials
he put the hex on died,
674
00:35:11,693 --> 00:35:13,026
including the prosecutor,
675
00:35:13,028 --> 00:35:15,361
the lieutenant who got
his confession, and the judge.
676
00:35:15,363 --> 00:35:16,963
Holy ****.
677
00:35:16,965 --> 00:35:19,432
All of these guys died
of a heart attack.
678
00:35:19,434 --> 00:35:23,169
Now, is it possible the women
you saw were Bird's victims?
679
00:35:23,171 --> 00:35:25,238
Well, yeah.
680
00:35:27,775 --> 00:35:30,777
Now, you said these women were
trying to get into the house.
681
00:35:30,779 --> 00:35:33,079
Any reason why they would want
to get in the house?
682
00:35:33,081 --> 00:35:36,982
Basically, there's a sensitive
in the house.
683
00:35:36,984 --> 00:35:38,984
That's why they're coming
684
00:35:38,986 --> 00:35:43,122
and trying to communicate.
685
00:35:43,124 --> 00:35:45,424
It could come in dreams,
686
00:35:45,426 --> 00:35:47,994
making connections
with these deceased people.
687
00:35:47,996 --> 00:35:52,398
Well, let's talk
about your dreams.
688
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,201
I see a lot
of horrible things.
689
00:35:55,203 --> 00:35:58,671
I've seen, like, murders.
690
00:35:58,673 --> 00:36:02,675
You had some really horrific
dreams involving your kids.
691
00:36:02,677 --> 00:36:04,877
Yeah, I get really bad
nightmares about them.
692
00:36:04,879 --> 00:36:07,747
I've seen them...
693
00:36:07,749 --> 00:36:10,350
I've seen them drowned.
I've seen them stabbed.
694
00:36:10,352 --> 00:36:12,285
I've seen them
kill themselves.
695
00:36:12,287 --> 00:36:15,821
And...
696
00:36:15,823 --> 00:36:17,424
they're the most important
thing in my life,
697
00:36:17,426 --> 00:36:20,226
and it's just been
torture.
698
00:36:20,228 --> 00:36:21,494
Well, it's a silly question,
699
00:36:21,496 --> 00:36:23,630
but is Michelle possibly
the sensitive
700
00:36:23,632 --> 00:36:25,097
you're talking about?
701
00:36:25,099 --> 00:36:26,966
Yeah.
702
00:36:29,971 --> 00:36:32,171
Am I bringing people
to me?
703
00:36:32,173 --> 00:36:36,175
Yeah, that's kind of
how it goes, you know.
704
00:36:36,177 --> 00:36:37,177
So, like,
you're like this thing
705
00:36:37,179 --> 00:36:39,712
that they can see
and help them.
706
00:36:39,714 --> 00:36:42,315
Okay.
Or that they can **** with,
707
00:36:42,317 --> 00:36:46,252
especially
when you fit this type.
708
00:36:46,254 --> 00:36:48,921
So you're talking about you
think Jake Bird might be here.
709
00:36:48,923 --> 00:36:50,890
Yes.
710
00:36:50,892 --> 00:36:57,530
I feel like he's the one
who is tormenting you.
711
00:36:57,532 --> 00:36:59,399
The sexual attacks
that she's having --
712
00:36:59,401 --> 00:37:00,933
is that Bird?
713
00:37:00,935 --> 00:37:02,602
Yeah.
714
00:37:02,604 --> 00:37:08,408
So, I would think that
he would torture you,
715
00:37:08,410 --> 00:37:11,211
molest you
until he gets bored,
716
00:37:11,213 --> 00:37:16,082
and then would probably more
than likely try to kill you.
717
00:37:16,084 --> 00:37:17,950
Scary, you know.
718
00:37:17,952 --> 00:37:21,221
Part of me just doesn't
want to believe it.
719
00:37:21,223 --> 00:37:24,290
I'm also concerned about
what I saw him doing
720
00:37:24,292 --> 00:37:26,959
in a child's bedroom
upstairs.
721
00:37:26,961 --> 00:37:29,496
I believe it was the room
to the left.
722
00:37:29,498 --> 00:37:31,030
Evelyn's room.
723
00:37:31,032 --> 00:37:34,500
I walked in there,
and I just felt
horrible,
724
00:37:34,502 --> 00:37:37,704
and I got that the living child
was getting sick --
725
00:37:37,706 --> 00:37:41,107
stomach issues
as well as exhaustion.
726
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:44,110
She gets hit with a draft
and, you know,
727
00:37:44,112 --> 00:37:47,247
high fever
or vomiting all the time.
728
00:37:47,249 --> 00:37:52,418
And her getting sick --
is that because of him?
729
00:37:52,420 --> 00:37:53,786
Yes.
730
00:37:56,724 --> 00:38:00,927
So, I'm watching all of this,
and then I saw a male,
731
00:38:00,929 --> 00:38:03,796
and he was
falling to his knees
732
00:38:03,798 --> 00:38:06,399
and praying
at the side of the bed,
733
00:38:06,401 --> 00:38:10,737
and I see the male, like,
transform into this,
734
00:38:10,739 --> 00:38:13,606
like, monster.
735
00:38:13,608 --> 00:38:19,612
This monster could become
abusive toward the living.
736
00:38:20,881 --> 00:38:23,215
So what exactly does
this monster look like?
737
00:38:23,217 --> 00:38:24,951
I had a sketch done.
738
00:38:39,234 --> 00:38:42,068
Holy ****.
739
00:38:43,638 --> 00:38:46,905
I'm, like, so angry.
I'm, like, shaking.
740
00:38:46,907 --> 00:38:50,909
I'm very worried about
anyone being here at all.
741
00:39:20,574 --> 00:39:23,108
So, Michelle, Matt,
you guys got
742
00:39:23,110 --> 00:39:25,511
a hell of a lot
of information tonight,
743
00:39:25,513 --> 00:39:27,446
and I know it wasn't
easy to hear.
744
00:39:27,448 --> 00:39:30,716
The good news is,
you're not crazy,
745
00:39:30,718 --> 00:39:33,251
and now we know
what's been causing you
746
00:39:33,253 --> 00:39:35,654
and your kids
to live in hell here.
747
00:39:35,656 --> 00:39:38,523
What we don't know yet is
whether or not you can fix it
748
00:39:38,525 --> 00:39:40,592
so that you guys can get
your life back together
749
00:39:40,594 --> 00:39:43,595
and raise your kids here
in a normal manner.
750
00:39:43,597 --> 00:39:46,064
For that answer,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
751
00:39:48,802 --> 00:39:52,470
So, the first thing
that I would like
752
00:39:52,472 --> 00:39:56,475
for you to deal with
would be him.
753
00:39:56,477 --> 00:40:02,481
This needs to be done via
a voodoo priest or priestess.
754
00:40:02,483 --> 00:40:05,751
What they're going to do
is suck him up
755
00:40:05,753 --> 00:40:09,354
and take him with them.
756
00:40:09,356 --> 00:40:12,958
So, the second thing
that needs to be done
757
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,429
is a male medium between
the ages of 20 and 30 years old
758
00:40:17,431 --> 00:40:21,032
and specifically
gentle in nature --
759
00:40:21,034 --> 00:40:25,170
he needs to come here
and talk to Casey.
760
00:40:25,172 --> 00:40:27,639
Now, what they're going to
try to do
761
00:40:27,641 --> 00:40:34,380
is connect with other people
that Casey has lost
762
00:40:34,382 --> 00:40:37,015
to come and retrieve him
763
00:40:37,017 --> 00:40:42,587
and then try to guide him
over with them.
764
00:40:42,589 --> 00:40:44,923
The third thing that
I would like you to do
765
00:40:44,925 --> 00:40:50,662
is to connect with
a psychic who's a female
766
00:40:50,664 --> 00:40:53,398
and have her come in
and move on the dead
767
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,868
who are trapped
in the basement.
768
00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:57,736
Now, what about the guy
praying over the bed
769
00:40:57,738 --> 00:40:59,938
who turns into a monster?
770
00:40:59,940 --> 00:41:01,874
That's an aspect
of the killer.
771
00:41:01,876 --> 00:41:03,509
It will go with him.
772
00:41:05,946 --> 00:41:10,482
I can't wait to destroy
this dude.
773
00:41:12,820 --> 00:41:14,819
So, the ultimate question is,
774
00:41:14,821 --> 00:41:19,090
are you gonna listen to what
Amy tells you you got to do?
775
00:41:19,092 --> 00:41:21,359
Hands down.
776
00:41:21,361 --> 00:41:22,761
What about you?
777
00:41:22,763 --> 00:41:26,098
Yeah, 100% down to do
778
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:29,701
everything
that she suggested.
779
00:41:29,703 --> 00:41:33,171
This is a pretty good scenario
as far as a fix.
780
00:41:33,173 --> 00:41:34,973
It gives me
so much hope,
781
00:41:34,975 --> 00:41:37,375
so much more confidence
moving forward.
782
00:41:37,377 --> 00:41:41,713
So grateful for you guys,
absolutely.
783
00:41:41,715 --> 00:41:43,448
So grateful.
784
00:41:47,988 --> 00:41:49,655
I really hope
Michelle and Matt
785
00:41:49,657 --> 00:41:51,990
follow all of my advice.
786
00:41:51,992 --> 00:41:55,861
If they do, they'll be able to
live peacefully in their house,
787
00:41:55,863 --> 00:41:58,797
and most importantly,
so will their children.
788
00:42:02,936 --> 00:42:04,669
We just wanted to
give you guys an update
789
00:42:04,671 --> 00:42:05,938
on all of our progress.
790
00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:07,739
We followed all of
Amy's advice,
791
00:42:07,741 --> 00:42:10,141
and all of the negative activity
in the house
792
00:42:10,143 --> 00:42:12,544
has come to a complete stop.
793
00:42:12,546 --> 00:42:14,813
We had a voodoo priest
and his team come out.
794
00:42:14,815 --> 00:42:16,748
They performed
a pretty amazing ceremony.
795
00:42:16,750 --> 00:42:19,217
Evelyn hasn't been sick once
in the last two months.
796
00:42:19,219 --> 00:42:20,619
Before, it felt like
we were walking into
797
00:42:20,621 --> 00:42:23,955
somebody else's house,
and now it feels like our home.
798
00:42:23,957 --> 00:42:25,624
Thank you guys so much.
799
00:42:25,626 --> 00:42:27,793
We would not be where we are
right now without you.
800
00:42:27,843 --> 00:42:32,393
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