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This place is dark.
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It's basically Hell.
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It's destroying my marriage.
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He thinks I'm crazy.
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There's been something done
here that has made it bad.
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It was a haunted house.
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You're talking about
hundreds of dead people
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wandering around.
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Well over 100 people
did die in the building.
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These things could
kill your kids.
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"Get out of here,
we don't want you here."
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And I just felt fear.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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This is like Grand Central
Station for the dead.
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I see dead people.
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They have pain
that they suffered.
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I speak to dead people.
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She hates them.
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Hates them.
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And they speak to me.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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It's a demon, it's Satan.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve DiSchiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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What was the body count,
what happened?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I don't know if
it's a demon or not,
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but it sure as hell
looks like one.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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I feel like I'm crazy.
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But Steve and I never speak.
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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I don't want to show you this.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay.
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I just don't want anything
to happen to my mother.
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Or time to get out.
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You have to get out.
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I'm out here in
New London, Wisconsin.
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It's about an hour
outside of Green Bay.
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I got a call from
a mom named Charlotte.
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Now, she bought
a big old nursing home
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and moved in there
with her nine kids.
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The second they moved in,
activity went crazy.
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She sounds really scared.
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Says if Amy and I can't help,
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somebody's gonna
get seriously hurt.
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Before Amy arrives, I look
for any leading information.
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This property is massive.
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So it's important I take my time
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to cover any
photographs, paintings,
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or furniture that could
influence her findings.
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When I'm done, the
location will be ready
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for tonight's walk.
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I'm getting so many dead here.
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And it's extremely loud.
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They were just crowding
me and crowding my mind.
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Then I'm hearing evil.
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I'm nervous and I hear
these dead were led astray.
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Charlotte, when we
spoke on the phone,
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you didn't sound too good.
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I've got paranormal activity,
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something fierce going
through this building.
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It's destroying my life,
it's destroying my marriage.
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It's affecting all my kids.
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I don't know what to do
to get our lives back.
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I'm trying to wrap
my head around
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why you would move
into a nursing home.
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I saw it and fell
in love with it
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and it was perfect because
of how big it was
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and it would give us
the space that we needed
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for my large family.
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So who exactly lives
in the house here?
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There's myself,
my husband, Jason,
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my kids, six of 'em still
currently live at home.
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Okay, so there's six kids
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and you and your husband
currently living here now.
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And I'm struggling.
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I bet you are.
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Okay, Charlotte, do me a favor
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and give me a list of what
the hell's going on here.
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We feel watched.
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We hear voices.
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Objects get thrown.
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We see shadow figures.
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We've been physically touched.
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Our health is failing.
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The mood swings, the mood
swings are the worst.
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Who's being affected by that?
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Everybody in the house is.
Okay.
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But my husband Jason is
the absolute worst.
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He's like a light switch,
he's like,
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he refuses to do anything.
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He thinks I'm crazy.
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Do you think he would talk to me
about what's going on here?
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No. Jason is definitely
in denial over it.
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Any idea what's causing
all this activity?
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It was a haunted house
prior to us owning it.
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I have these pictures here.
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Let me see.
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This place was a mess.
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Is there anything
else you can think of
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that might help
my investigation?
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My oldest son, Chance,
him and his friends,
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they brought in a Ouija board
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and I know that some
things happened,
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'cause he ended up calling me,
crying, right after.
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At least you told me that.
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It's something Amy's definitely
gonna want to know about.
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Now that we're here, I mean,
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what do you hope
we can do for you?
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I love the building itself.
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I still have hope that,
you know, whatever's here
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can get fixed and be taken out.
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I wanted to give my
kids a better life.
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I have a lot of guilt because
I'm not protecting them
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the way that a mom should.
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It's not supposed
to be that way.
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I'm losing everything.
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I feel sick, sick,
sick, sick, sick.
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Like something is coming at
me, trying to push me back.
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"Get out of here, get out of
here, we don't want you here."
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There's too many dead people.
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There's been something done
here that has made it bad.
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Maybe some kind
of, like, seance.
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And this was fairly recent.
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It wasn't done with
the best of intentions,
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that's why there's so many
different types of dead people.
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This place is dark.
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It's not good, it's not good.
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Okay, Charlotte, so
what's going on in this room?
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I've heard the sound of,
you know, people running,
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you can hear it from down
here, on my upper floors.
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You have a lot of
kids living here.
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I mean, you sure it
wasn't one of them
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running around upstairs?
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I don't allow them
on my upper floors.
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You sure it wasn't
maybe a break in?
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Anything like that?
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No, 'cause we have
an alarm system
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and it wasn't triggered.
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All right, so anything else?
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We've had a lot of voices.
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What's it sound like to you?
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It sounds like
someone's talking to us.
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Both men and women.
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The women, they sound like
they're kinda younger.
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Does any of it seem
aggressive to you?
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No.
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I was petrified, though.
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So there's a woman here.
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She's got issues.
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She's a mess.
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She's, like, all
over the place, so,
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I think that they would have
a lot of experiences with her.
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I think people would
hear her crying
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and possibly seeing her running.
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I think they think it's
children, but it's her.
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She seems angry.
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Very angry.
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She doesn't know why she's here.
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She doesn't like it.
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And she wants out.
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Well, Charlotte, you said
this place was unfinished,
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you weren't kidding.
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And it's freezing up here.
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We've been unable to finish
it, you know, because
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all the stuff that's going on.
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Like what?
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I've had a lot of headaches,
nausea, fainting spells,
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vertigo really bad.
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Well, you seem pretty healthy.
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You sure it couldn't
be from the stress?
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I think it's the house.
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Doctors?
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I've been to the doctors.
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Okay, and they can't
figure out what's wrong?
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No.
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Okay, anything else?
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I've been touched.
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Okay, where have
you been touched?
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My arms, my face, my lower back,
I've had my hair pulled.
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Does it feel like
a hand, a human hand?
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I can't tell what it is.
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Are they aggressive?
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The hair pull,
it was more aggressive.
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Anything else?
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I've clearly seen
a shadow figure.
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Do they look human?
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Does it just look
like a blob or?
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They're usually a dark shadow.
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But you can still see
through most of it.
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All right, so how often
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are you seeing these
shadow figures?
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It's pretty often.
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You know, if I come up
here, I'll run across one.
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I've also seen a man in
one of the upper bedrooms.
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One second,
he looked like a man,
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and then he looked like
a monster, and I lost it.
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Describe how it looked
as a man.
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He was older, maybe 60s, 70s.
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He was white, he had some hair.
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Describe the monster
to me now.
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It was like a creature.
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It was awful.
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Pure evil.
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There's some dead guy
up in here.
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He's holding a clipboard.
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He's telling us to please leave.
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This is his space.
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Nobody's welcome here.
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Would the living have any
experiences with him here?
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Yeah.
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I think they would see him.
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What does he do?
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He makes them feel
really dizzy, nauseous,
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sudden, like, weird
aches and pains
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that are really bad.
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He's saying that people
have it all wrong.
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People have it all wrong.
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He says there's
something much worse here
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because this man is telling
me that it's basically Hell.
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I don't feel good.
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So, Hailey, I understand
that you used to live here
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and this was your room.
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Yep.
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I was talking with your mom,
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she thinks whatever's
here is pretty dangerous.
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Do you agree with that at all?
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Yeah, ever since
we moved in here,
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everything's just
been different.
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In what way?
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My dad, he's been really
horrible towards everyone.
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He seems upset and frustrated.
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What was the reason for
you moving out anyway?
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One night, I remember waking up
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and there's just
a dark shadow there.
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What'd the shadow
look like to you?
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Just a shadow figure of
a person, probably a male.
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Just stayed there
and then I started crying.
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Have you ever had any
experiences any place else?
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Yeah. I went to bed one
night at my old house
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and there was someone
walking across the bed
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right before I was
going to sleep.
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Okay. You got young brothers
and sisters here.
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You worried about them?
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Yeah.
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They're so young
and they shouldn't
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be exposed to that
kind of stuff.
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And they can't just
leave like you did.
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Yeah.
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They're stuck here.
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Are you uncomfortable being here
'cause you look uncomfortable.
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Yeah.
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Maybe we should
just sell the place.
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That'd be best.
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So, down here, this
is just all darkness
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with a ton of dead people
wandering around in it.
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The clipboard guy is telling me
261
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there's a devil who
controls everything.
262
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He's really, like, bad.
263
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I think people would see
a oddly-shaped black thing.
264
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To me, he's got goat legs.
265
00:13:05,517 --> 00:13:08,652
I'm sure he appears
differently to everybody.
266
00:13:08,654 --> 00:13:10,720
All I know is he's evil.
267
00:13:12,791 --> 00:13:17,995
There are so many of these
dead people in this darkness
268
00:13:17,997 --> 00:13:24,668
that are lost and if they
stumble onto a living person,
269
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they kind of latch on.
270
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Say you get an attachment like
that, you become their state.
271
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So if they killed themselves,
272
00:13:36,214 --> 00:13:38,949
you could potentially
end up doing that
273
00:13:38,951 --> 00:13:42,485
because you've become them.
274
00:13:42,487 --> 00:13:43,887
After talking to Hailey,
275
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I wanted to see what Charlotte's
other kids had to say.
276
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On the top floor and at
the end of the hallway,
277
00:13:48,894 --> 00:13:52,496
I see a shadow figure.
278
00:13:52,498 --> 00:13:55,432
It's that spine-tingling,
279
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raising of the hair on
the back of the neck --
280
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Okay.
Feeling.
281
00:14:00,172 --> 00:14:02,639
I was sitting on my bed
up on the second floor
282
00:14:02,641 --> 00:14:05,041
and a mirror just
flew off the wall.
283
00:14:05,043 --> 00:14:07,311
And then I just
instantly started crying.
284
00:14:07,313 --> 00:14:09,979
All of 'em are having
bad experiences.
285
00:14:09,981 --> 00:14:11,515
Well, I woke up one night
286
00:14:11,517 --> 00:14:14,451
and there were
scratches on my chest.
287
00:14:14,453 --> 00:14:16,853
I feel like I'm being
watched a lot of the time,
288
00:14:16,855 --> 00:14:19,122
like I'm surrounded.
289
00:14:19,124 --> 00:14:21,858
But the person who had
the most experiences
290
00:14:21,860 --> 00:14:23,460
wasn't even a family member.
291
00:14:23,462 --> 00:14:25,595
It was Charlotte's
best friend Nicole.
292
00:14:25,597 --> 00:14:27,397
So, what's been
going on with you?
293
00:14:27,399 --> 00:14:29,999
Well, I've heard what
sounds like an earthquake.
294
00:14:30,001 --> 00:14:32,469
You can feel
the whole building move.
295
00:14:32,471 --> 00:14:34,738
The whole house felt
like it was shaking.
296
00:14:34,740 --> 00:14:37,074
Is there a large amount of
trucks going through here?
297
00:14:37,076 --> 00:14:38,408
I've looked to
try to figure out.
298
00:14:38,410 --> 00:14:39,876
I've ran from one
side to the other
299
00:14:39,878 --> 00:14:41,745
trying to figure out what
could have caused it.
300
00:14:41,747 --> 00:14:43,880
I mean, any reports
of an earthquake that?
301
00:14:43,882 --> 00:14:44,814
None.
Nothing like that?
302
00:14:44,816 --> 00:14:47,150
No thunderstorms, no nothing.
303
00:14:47,152 --> 00:14:48,485
All right, anything else?
304
00:14:48,487 --> 00:14:50,019
I saw a little boy.
305
00:14:50,021 --> 00:14:51,154
An apparition
of a little boy?
306
00:14:51,156 --> 00:14:52,756
Yes.
307
00:14:52,758 --> 00:14:54,891
But then when I looked at
him, he just disappeared.
308
00:14:54,893 --> 00:14:57,226
I mean, I was still standing
there trying to process
309
00:14:57,228 --> 00:14:59,629
who this kid is and he was gone.
310
00:14:59,631 --> 00:15:01,231
I mean, do you think
whatever's here is dangerous?
311
00:15:01,233 --> 00:15:02,499
Yes.
312
00:15:02,501 --> 00:15:04,101
I mean, I'm worried
about Charlotte.
313
00:15:04,103 --> 00:15:05,569
I don't know how she's doing it.
314
00:15:05,571 --> 00:15:06,970
She says whatever's
going on in this house,
315
00:15:06,972 --> 00:15:09,772
she thinks is changing
people's personalities
316
00:15:09,774 --> 00:15:11,107
and their emotions.
317
00:15:11,109 --> 00:15:12,175
Ever notice that?
Yeah; yeah,
318
00:15:12,177 --> 00:15:13,776
I definitely have seen it.
319
00:15:13,778 --> 00:15:15,312
I think it affects all of them
320
00:15:15,314 --> 00:15:17,114
and I can see it bearing on her.
321
00:15:17,116 --> 00:15:22,252
She's scared and it's
consuming every ounce of her.
322
00:15:26,057 --> 00:15:30,794
I'm just in shock that
people actually even live here.
323
00:15:30,796 --> 00:15:33,463
This is bad,
it's not a good space.
324
00:15:36,468 --> 00:15:40,937
You're talking about hundreds
of dead people wandering around.
325
00:15:40,939 --> 00:15:45,475
These are like dead people
that this darkness collected
326
00:15:45,477 --> 00:15:47,810
for some reason or another.
327
00:15:47,812 --> 00:15:50,547
You know, like, when people
talk about purgatory,
328
00:15:50,549 --> 00:15:53,016
this place is like that.
329
00:15:55,688 --> 00:15:59,156
Just evil, bad, darkness.
330
00:15:59,158 --> 00:16:00,824
It can travel, I mean,
331
00:16:00,826 --> 00:16:04,961
it can go wherever
it wants, basically.
332
00:16:04,963 --> 00:16:06,296
This is insane.
333
00:16:25,550 --> 00:16:27,683
Charlotte says her house
used to be a nursing home.
334
00:16:27,685 --> 00:16:30,887
Now, clients get this kind
of stuff wrong all the time.
335
00:16:30,889 --> 00:16:34,156
So, I had a researcher double
check for me and it's true.
336
00:16:34,158 --> 00:16:35,891
I'm heading over to
meet the researcher now
337
00:16:35,893 --> 00:16:37,960
who says everyone who
owned the property
338
00:16:37,962 --> 00:16:46,235
had nothing but
the worst of luck.
339
00:16:46,237 --> 00:16:48,104
Well, Carrie, you
mentioned on the phone
340
00:16:48,106 --> 00:16:49,572
there's a long
history of bad luck
341
00:16:49,574 --> 00:16:51,541
associated with my
client's property.
342
00:16:51,543 --> 00:16:53,042
What was that all about?
343
00:16:53,044 --> 00:16:54,376
So it seemed like the property
344
00:16:54,378 --> 00:16:56,245
was really doomed
from the beginning.
345
00:16:56,247 --> 00:16:57,847
Originally, the plan was
to create
346
00:16:57,849 --> 00:17:00,183
a state-of-the-art hospital
for the New London area.
347
00:17:00,185 --> 00:17:03,119
They started
construction in 1931.
348
00:17:03,121 --> 00:17:04,587
Unfortunately, what happened was
349
00:17:04,589 --> 00:17:07,323
they ran out of money
and it just never opened.
350
00:17:07,325 --> 00:17:08,458
So what happens next?
351
00:17:08,460 --> 00:17:10,660
It sat empty for about 15 years.
352
00:17:10,662 --> 00:17:13,596
There was vagrants,
vandalism, squatters.
353
00:17:13,598 --> 00:17:15,832
The place really
fell into disrepair.
354
00:17:15,834 --> 00:17:17,466
Okay.
And it reached a point
355
00:17:17,468 --> 00:17:19,001
where even the newspapers
were reporting
356
00:17:19,003 --> 00:17:20,602
that people broke in because
357
00:17:20,604 --> 00:17:22,405
they heard rumors
that it was haunted.
358
00:17:22,407 --> 00:17:24,206
Okay, so even back then,
359
00:17:24,208 --> 00:17:26,208
they were saying this
place had spirit activity,
360
00:17:26,210 --> 00:17:27,476
so to speak.
361
00:17:27,478 --> 00:17:30,012
I know, eventually, it
becomes a nursing home.
362
00:17:30,014 --> 00:17:31,681
When does that happen?
363
00:17:31,683 --> 00:17:35,818
So, in 1947, Outagamie County
purchased the property
364
00:17:35,820 --> 00:17:39,889
and it did eventually
open in 1950.
365
00:17:39,891 --> 00:17:41,023
How's that go?
366
00:17:41,025 --> 00:17:42,424
They had poor living conditions
367
00:17:42,426 --> 00:17:45,094
and they had
patient abuse scandals
368
00:17:45,096 --> 00:17:48,096
as well as mismanagement
of the facility,
369
00:17:48,098 --> 00:17:52,168
and in June of '62, it was
actually shut down.
370
00:17:52,170 --> 00:17:54,437
So at that point, they
ended up selling it
371
00:17:54,439 --> 00:17:56,305
to a charity of nuns.
372
00:17:56,307 --> 00:18:02,444
By 1971, they had an inspection
and it was not up to code,
373
00:18:02,446 --> 00:18:04,313
so they ended up
selling the property
374
00:18:04,315 --> 00:18:06,381
about a month after
that inspection.
375
00:18:06,383 --> 00:18:08,718
That was the end of
the nursing home.
376
00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,254
Okay, so it looks like
for almost 21 years,
377
00:18:11,256 --> 00:18:13,055
it worked as a nursing home.
378
00:18:13,057 --> 00:18:14,657
I gotta assume during
that time period,
379
00:18:14,659 --> 00:18:16,325
a lot of people died
on the property.
380
00:18:16,327 --> 00:18:18,126
From my research
and what I found,
381
00:18:18,128 --> 00:18:20,929
well over 100 people
did die in the building.
382
00:18:20,931 --> 00:18:22,397
Realistically,
that's just the ones
383
00:18:22,399 --> 00:18:23,799
that we've been able
to find records for.
384
00:18:23,801 --> 00:18:24,933
So it could be a lot more.
385
00:18:24,935 --> 00:18:26,068
There could.
386
00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:28,270
Okay, so now the
nursing home's closed.
387
00:18:28,272 --> 00:18:29,472
Now what?
388
00:18:29,474 --> 00:18:32,074
The property sat empty
for a couple of years
389
00:18:32,076 --> 00:18:34,143
and then in 1974,
390
00:18:34,145 --> 00:18:36,678
it was converted into
an apartment complex.
391
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,815
There were at least 15 more
deaths during that time.
392
00:18:39,817 --> 00:18:41,016
What are we
talking about here?
393
00:18:41,018 --> 00:18:42,551
They died of old age.
394
00:18:42,553 --> 00:18:44,821
All right, so it's obviously
not apartments anymore.
395
00:18:44,823 --> 00:18:46,355
When did that change?
396
00:18:46,357 --> 00:18:49,558
In 2008, the government
actually shut down the property
397
00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,960
for asbestos violations
398
00:18:50,962 --> 00:18:53,095
and it was actually
so dangerous
399
00:18:53,097 --> 00:18:54,630
that the owner was sentenced
400
00:18:54,632 --> 00:18:56,632
and went to prison for 18 months
401
00:18:56,634 --> 00:19:00,102
and it was foreclosed
on in 2009.
402
00:19:00,104 --> 00:19:01,570
So when you said this
place had bad luck,
403
00:19:01,572 --> 00:19:02,838
you weren't kidding.
404
00:19:06,511 --> 00:19:09,445
This darkness is taking
over the whole building.
405
00:19:09,447 --> 00:19:12,714
It was outside, it wasn't
in the building, at least,
406
00:19:12,716 --> 00:19:13,516
you know what I'm saying?
407
00:19:13,518 --> 00:19:14,984
But now it is.
408
00:19:14,986 --> 00:19:19,588
There have been
events, four events,
409
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:26,529
and these events made
things with the dead worse
410
00:19:26,531 --> 00:19:33,536
and now that darkness is
larger because of these events.
411
00:19:33,538 --> 00:19:37,673
My God, okay, that's
just too much ****.
412
00:19:39,277 --> 00:19:42,278
No wonder Charlotte
and her family are freaked out.
413
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,212
They're living in
a former nursing home
414
00:19:44,214 --> 00:19:45,948
where conditions were terrible
415
00:19:45,950 --> 00:19:48,351
and more than 100 people died.
416
00:19:48,353 --> 00:19:51,821
But I want to see if
there's anything else.
417
00:19:51,823 --> 00:19:53,155
Searching through old records,
418
00:19:53,157 --> 00:19:55,891
I come across
Dr. August Borchard.
419
00:19:55,893 --> 00:19:57,559
Turns out he owned the property
420
00:19:57,561 --> 00:19:59,562
before it became a nursing home.
421
00:19:59,564 --> 00:20:02,965
And he ran a medical
clinic there.
422
00:20:02,967 --> 00:20:05,501
You know, I need to find out
more about this Dr. Borchard
423
00:20:05,503 --> 00:20:07,636
so I'm heading over to
meet a local genealogist
424
00:20:07,638 --> 00:20:09,438
who's been doing
some digging for me.
425
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,507
Now he says this guy's life
was filled with sickness,
426
00:20:12,509 --> 00:20:15,110
premature deaths,
and broken dreams.
427
00:20:21,118 --> 00:20:22,718
Well, Dave, it's good
to see you again.
428
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,186
What were you able to
find out about him?
429
00:20:24,188 --> 00:20:25,988
Dr. Borchard became a doctor
430
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:28,858
after working as
a schoolteacher for a while.
431
00:20:28,860 --> 00:20:31,393
Here's a picture of him.
432
00:20:31,395 --> 00:20:32,795
On the phone, you
said this doctor
433
00:20:32,797 --> 00:20:34,664
suffered through some
premature deaths.
434
00:20:34,666 --> 00:20:36,332
What'd you mean?
435
00:20:36,334 --> 00:20:39,334
Right, in 1901,
his four-year-old son, Edwin,
436
00:20:39,336 --> 00:20:43,205
passed away of an unknown cause
and that probably prompted him
437
00:20:43,207 --> 00:20:45,107
to go to medical school.
438
00:20:45,109 --> 00:20:48,144
Once he graduated in 1905,
shortly after that,
439
00:20:48,146 --> 00:20:50,212
he ended up buying the property
440
00:20:50,214 --> 00:20:53,215
that your client now
owns and they ended up
441
00:20:53,217 --> 00:20:55,818
living on that property
and then he established
442
00:20:55,820 --> 00:20:57,820
his business, his
medical practice,
443
00:20:57,822 --> 00:20:59,288
right on that property as well.
444
00:20:59,290 --> 00:21:01,623
So before my client's
space was even built,
445
00:21:01,625 --> 00:21:04,293
this guy was treating sick
people on the property?
446
00:21:04,295 --> 00:21:05,627
Yes, correct.
447
00:21:05,629 --> 00:21:07,696
Suffice it to say he's
seen his share of death.
448
00:21:07,698 --> 00:21:08,764
Absolutely.
449
00:21:08,766 --> 00:21:10,232
Later, in the early '30s,
450
00:21:10,234 --> 00:21:13,902
he wanted to build more of
a state-of-the-art hospital.
451
00:21:13,904 --> 00:21:15,638
So this guy built
my client's place?
452
00:21:16,908 --> 00:21:18,307
I know the hospital
never opened.
453
00:21:18,309 --> 00:21:19,641
Why is that?
454
00:21:19,643 --> 00:21:21,644
Dr. Borchard started
having health issues
455
00:21:21,646 --> 00:21:24,246
in the early '30s, he had
a heart attack in 1931
456
00:21:24,248 --> 00:21:26,915
plus the Great Depression
which was occurring at the time
457
00:21:26,917 --> 00:21:29,518
across the U.S. dried
up a lot of the funding,
458
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,455
so that brought the whole
project to an end.
459
00:21:32,457 --> 00:21:34,857
His dream never
came to fruition?
460
00:21:34,859 --> 00:21:35,924
Right.
461
00:21:35,926 --> 00:21:37,392
Whatever happens to this guy?
462
00:21:37,394 --> 00:21:39,862
Well, unfortunately,
he suffers another
463
00:21:39,864 --> 00:21:43,599
heart attack in 1934
and that kills him.
464
00:21:43,601 --> 00:21:44,733
Here's his death certificate.
465
00:21:44,735 --> 00:21:46,802
If you notice on the bottom,
466
00:21:46,804 --> 00:21:50,139
the presiding physician, it's
actually his son, Melvin,
467
00:21:50,141 --> 00:21:51,540
who's there at the end for him.
468
00:21:51,542 --> 00:21:54,143
Okay, so now he dies in '62.
469
00:21:54,145 --> 00:21:54,877
'62, yeah.
470
00:21:54,879 --> 00:21:56,211
So we have this building
471
00:21:56,213 --> 00:21:58,547
that never opens
up as a hospital,
472
00:21:58,549 --> 00:22:01,083
he's dead, what happens
with the property?
473
00:22:01,085 --> 00:22:03,819
Well, Melvin kind of
abandoned the building
474
00:22:03,821 --> 00:22:07,956
until he finally sells it.
475
00:22:07,958 --> 00:22:10,426
I'm seeing
the clipboard guy again.
476
00:22:10,428 --> 00:22:11,960
Can you tell
anything about him
477
00:22:11,962 --> 00:22:13,295
when he was alive?
478
00:22:13,297 --> 00:22:14,497
He's young.
479
00:22:14,499 --> 00:22:20,502
He's probably in his
40s, very educated.
480
00:22:20,504 --> 00:22:26,242
I think that he had some
kind of, position here.
481
00:22:26,244 --> 00:22:29,044
He, like, ran the
place or something.
482
00:22:29,046 --> 00:22:30,112
Do you know how he died?
483
00:22:30,114 --> 00:22:32,781
This would be a heart attack.
484
00:22:35,453 --> 00:22:37,520
He takes care of things.
485
00:22:37,522 --> 00:22:39,722
He takes care of everybody.
486
00:22:39,724 --> 00:22:43,826
So I'm thinking he's moved
a lot of people up here
487
00:22:43,828 --> 00:22:45,661
to protect them.
488
00:22:45,663 --> 00:22:50,265
It seemed like he was
trying to protect everybody
489
00:22:50,267 --> 00:22:52,934
from the darkness.
490
00:22:55,606 --> 00:22:59,141
This is not good.
491
00:23:05,616 --> 00:23:07,616
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492
00:23:07,618 --> 00:23:09,151
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493
00:23:09,153 --> 00:23:11,019
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494
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495
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496
00:23:16,693 --> 00:23:17,593
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497
00:23:31,675 --> 00:23:33,608
So, another thing caught
my attention in research.
498
00:23:33,610 --> 00:23:36,078
A 19-year-old kid who lived
near Charlotte's house
499
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,879
was found murdered in his car.
500
00:23:38,381 --> 00:23:40,915
Turns out he was the victim of
a love triangle.
501
00:23:40,917 --> 00:23:43,317
I managed to track down
his girlfriend's descendant
502
00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:46,053
and she says there was never
any justice in this case.
503
00:23:52,662 --> 00:23:54,862
Well, Linda, I appreciate
you coming out to meet me.
504
00:23:54,864 --> 00:23:56,664
I know you're related
to one of the people
505
00:23:56,666 --> 00:23:59,067
involved in
the deadly love triangle.
506
00:23:59,069 --> 00:24:00,401
Correct.
Okay, explain that to me.
507
00:24:00,403 --> 00:24:03,538
Well, my grand-aunt
was Esther Barcolt,
508
00:24:03,540 --> 00:24:06,073
the woman involved in
the middle of all this.
509
00:24:06,075 --> 00:24:07,408
So this was your great-aunt.
510
00:24:07,410 --> 00:24:09,077
Yes, my great-aunt.
All right.
511
00:24:09,079 --> 00:24:10,278
What do you know about her?
512
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,213
She was quite
the character in her day.
513
00:24:12,215 --> 00:24:14,281
She was called a highstepper,
514
00:24:14,283 --> 00:24:17,685
which is a term for
a loose woman in the 1920s.
515
00:24:17,687 --> 00:24:19,954
Okay.
So take me through the murder.
516
00:24:19,956 --> 00:24:21,556
What were the circumstances?
517
00:24:21,558 --> 00:24:25,693
Well, on the 31st of July, 1930,
518
00:24:25,695 --> 00:24:28,295
the boyfriend of Esther Barcolt,
Henry Glocke,
519
00:24:28,297 --> 00:24:30,364
he was 19-years-old.
Okay.
520
00:24:30,366 --> 00:24:32,367
Was found dead in his car.
521
00:24:32,369 --> 00:24:34,368
When they found his body,
it was laid out
522
00:24:34,370 --> 00:24:35,770
on the front seat of the car.
523
00:24:35,772 --> 00:24:37,905
His arms were crossed over
524
00:24:37,907 --> 00:24:39,774
the bullet hole
through his heart.
525
00:24:39,776 --> 00:24:41,376
Now, there was a pistol
526
00:24:41,378 --> 00:24:43,978
but it was found on
the seat near his feet,
527
00:24:43,980 --> 00:24:46,381
which is pretty
far from his reach.
528
00:24:46,383 --> 00:24:48,850
So when the cops arrived,
what did they think?
529
00:24:48,852 --> 00:24:52,120
Well, at first, they
thought it was a suicide.
530
00:24:52,122 --> 00:24:54,522
Well, Ray Charles could
see it's not a suicide.
531
00:24:54,524 --> 00:24:56,858
But we know it was
determined to be a homicide.
532
00:24:56,860 --> 00:24:58,659
Right.
How did that all come about?
533
00:24:58,661 --> 00:25:00,928
So there was
a coroner's inquest held.
534
00:25:00,930 --> 00:25:03,464
Two different doctors testified
535
00:25:03,466 --> 00:25:07,335
that the victim's body was
in an unnatural position
536
00:25:07,337 --> 00:25:08,870
to have shot himself.
537
00:25:08,872 --> 00:25:12,207
So at that time, they
determined it was a murder.
538
00:25:12,209 --> 00:25:14,074
All right, so I see
Dr. Borchard testified.
539
00:25:14,076 --> 00:25:15,743
Now this is 1930, right?
540
00:25:15,745 --> 00:25:17,211
Correct.
541
00:25:17,213 --> 00:25:18,546
So at that time, he owned
my client's property.
542
00:25:18,548 --> 00:25:20,948
He was the first
doctor on the scene.
543
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:22,349
Who would want to kill this kid?
544
00:25:22,351 --> 00:25:25,753
Well, there's the story
that the papers told
545
00:25:25,755 --> 00:25:29,357
and then there's the story
that my relatives tell.
546
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,492
All right, so what's
the paper say?
547
00:25:31,494 --> 00:25:34,428
Papers reported that
Charles Barcolt,
548
00:25:34,430 --> 00:25:37,898
my grand-aunt's ex-husband,
wasn't a nice guy,
549
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:40,734
he was...
He was abusive.
550
00:25:40,736 --> 00:25:45,172
He was demanding that Esther
take him back and see only him.
551
00:25:45,174 --> 00:25:48,576
So local people
thought that Charles
552
00:25:48,578 --> 00:25:52,446
had been the one to kill
Henry because he was jealous.
553
00:25:52,448 --> 00:25:53,981
Okay.
554
00:25:53,983 --> 00:25:55,383
You said that your family
has their own theories.
555
00:25:55,385 --> 00:25:57,719
My family says that Henry Glocke
556
00:25:57,721 --> 00:26:01,989
came into $500 on the day that
he was murdered
557
00:26:01,991 --> 00:26:04,192
and that he was murdered
because of money.
558
00:26:04,194 --> 00:26:05,927
$500 back then's
a lot of money.
559
00:26:05,929 --> 00:26:07,261
A lot of money.
560
00:26:07,263 --> 00:26:08,196
All right, so the papers try
to make it
561
00:26:08,198 --> 00:26:09,863
a juicy love triangle thing.
562
00:26:09,865 --> 00:26:10,998
Right.
563
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,200
But you're telling
me your family thinks
564
00:26:12,202 --> 00:26:14,269
it was all about cash.
Yes.
565
00:26:14,271 --> 00:26:16,471
And the case has never
been solved to this day.
566
00:26:20,543 --> 00:26:22,677
My head, man.
567
00:26:22,679 --> 00:26:27,415
This is somebody that's
getting hit in the head.
568
00:26:27,417 --> 00:26:29,616
There's two men struggling.
569
00:26:29,618 --> 00:26:33,754
I think it's about
money or some ****.
570
00:26:33,756 --> 00:26:36,757
Like a teenager, I mean,
younger, I mean, you know.
571
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:39,560
I mean, like 17 or something,
you know what I mean?
572
00:26:39,562 --> 00:26:42,363
It's hard to say
'cause it is dark.
573
00:26:42,365 --> 00:26:44,165
Somebody did somebody wrong.
574
00:26:44,167 --> 00:26:46,100
I'm hearing yelling.
575
00:26:46,102 --> 00:26:48,769
"You little piece of ****.
576
00:26:48,771 --> 00:26:50,037
I told you to do
the right thing
577
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:53,040
and what'd you choose
to do, the wrong thing."
578
00:26:53,042 --> 00:26:56,377
He's trying to
make him eat rocks.
579
00:26:56,379 --> 00:26:58,779
And I feel sick.
580
00:26:58,781 --> 00:27:01,048
Really sick.
581
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:04,251
This is not good.
582
00:27:13,262 --> 00:27:15,730
I saw a lot of disturbing
things on my walk
583
00:27:15,732 --> 00:27:17,698
but two stood out.
584
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:20,668
First, the dead man
with the clipboard.
585
00:27:20,670 --> 00:27:25,273
He had a pretty basic haircut.
586
00:27:25,275 --> 00:27:29,877
I would say straight
from the '50s and '60s.
587
00:27:29,879 --> 00:27:32,346
He does wear glasses.
588
00:27:32,348 --> 00:27:37,418
Nothing really standing
out about his eyes.
589
00:27:37,420 --> 00:27:41,556
Next, I described the devil
I saw in the darkness.
590
00:27:41,558 --> 00:27:46,627
In front of me, was
a entity,
591
00:27:46,629 --> 00:27:49,030
it was pretty tall,
592
00:27:49,032 --> 00:27:51,799
and just make it
darker at the top.
593
00:27:59,575 --> 00:28:02,977
Amy, is this what you saw?
594
00:28:02,979 --> 00:28:05,179
Yes, that's what I saw.
595
00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:36,343
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
596
00:28:36,345 --> 00:28:38,678
we're ready to reveal our
findings to each other
597
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,748
and our clients
for the first time.
598
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:43,483
So, Amy, I want you
to meet Charlotte,
599
00:28:43,485 --> 00:28:47,821
this is her daughter Haley
and her best friend Nicole.
600
00:28:47,823 --> 00:28:49,289
Now, Charlotte
bought this building
601
00:28:49,291 --> 00:28:52,559
so she could keep her huge
family under one roof.
602
00:28:52,561 --> 00:28:56,629
Matter of fact, here's
a picture of everybody.
603
00:28:56,631 --> 00:28:59,165
Everyone's convinced that
whatever's here is dangerous
604
00:28:59,167 --> 00:29:00,366
and it's only a matter of time
605
00:29:00,368 --> 00:29:03,637
before somebody
gets seriously hurt.
606
00:29:03,639 --> 00:29:05,639
So now that Amy knows just
a little bit about you guys,
607
00:29:05,641 --> 00:29:12,646
I'm gonna ask her to
describe her walk.
608
00:29:12,648 --> 00:29:18,718
So, this location, it
was just ridiculous.
609
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,453
I was freaking out because
610
00:29:20,455 --> 00:29:23,990
there's so many dead,
there's so much activity.
611
00:29:23,992 --> 00:29:28,328
For example, I saw one dead
woman who was freaking out.
612
00:29:28,330 --> 00:29:31,465
And she was crying
and wandering around and just
613
00:29:31,467 --> 00:29:32,866
screaming and yelling.
614
00:29:32,868 --> 00:29:34,935
Then, down the hall,
I was seeing
615
00:29:34,937 --> 00:29:37,938
a lot of drugs and needles.
616
00:29:37,940 --> 00:29:41,474
I was feeling
sickness, very dizzy.
617
00:29:41,476 --> 00:29:43,543
So something that came
across in my research
618
00:29:43,545 --> 00:29:45,212
that might make sense
of what you saw,
619
00:29:45,214 --> 00:29:46,613
you've probably
guessed this place
620
00:29:46,615 --> 00:29:48,348
wasn't built to be a house.
621
00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:49,549
Yeah.
622
00:29:49,551 --> 00:29:51,751
It was built, actually,
to be a hospital in 1931
623
00:29:51,753 --> 00:29:53,286
but it never opened.
624
00:29:53,288 --> 00:29:55,155
It sat empty for about 15 years
625
00:29:55,157 --> 00:29:58,692
and during that time,
vagrants, squatters, druggies
626
00:29:58,694 --> 00:30:01,160
had the run of
the place, basically.
627
00:30:01,162 --> 00:30:02,963
When they finally
cleaned the place up,
628
00:30:02,965 --> 00:30:05,631
it operated as a nursing
home for 21 years.
629
00:30:07,769 --> 00:30:10,570
After that, it closed
down as a nursing home
630
00:30:10,572 --> 00:30:13,372
and it become an apartment
complex for elderly people.
631
00:30:13,374 --> 00:30:15,242
Now, you said there's a lot
of dead people here, right?
632
00:30:15,244 --> 00:30:16,576
Yeah.
633
00:30:16,578 --> 00:30:17,777
Well, you can take
a look at this.
634
00:30:17,779 --> 00:30:20,446
This is a list of
about 115 people
635
00:30:20,448 --> 00:30:22,582
that died on the premises.
636
00:30:22,584 --> 00:30:24,117
Wow.
637
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:26,720
But the expert I
spoke to said that
638
00:30:26,722 --> 00:30:28,655
this is the ones
they have records of.
639
00:30:28,657 --> 00:30:30,189
It may be a lot more.
640
00:30:30,191 --> 00:30:34,460
This is unreal.
641
00:30:34,462 --> 00:30:37,264
What else is going on?
642
00:30:37,266 --> 00:30:41,868
So, I'm up on the third floor,
643
00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:44,337
I encountered this male.
644
00:30:44,339 --> 00:30:48,808
He has a direct connection
to this location.
645
00:30:48,810 --> 00:30:54,681
And he was adamant
that this was his space
646
00:30:54,683 --> 00:30:56,549
and that I did not belong there.
647
00:30:56,551 --> 00:31:00,954
Something is coming at me,
trying to push me back.
648
00:31:00,956 --> 00:31:06,626
"Get out of here, get out of
here, we don't want you here."
649
00:31:06,628 --> 00:31:09,695
He'll make people feel
stressed, frightened, panicky.
650
00:31:09,697 --> 00:31:14,500
He can make living people
feel sick, dizzy, nauseous.
651
00:31:14,502 --> 00:31:16,970
I'm constantly sick.
652
00:31:16,972 --> 00:31:19,238
I get the dizzy spells.
653
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,108
I get vertigo, I get
horrible headaches.
654
00:31:22,110 --> 00:31:28,381
He's physical enough that
you would probably see him.
655
00:31:28,383 --> 00:31:31,717
I saw a man in one of the rooms
656
00:31:31,719 --> 00:31:34,387
that scared
the bejeezus out of me.
657
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:40,526
You know, I literally, I backed
out, I was a basket case.
658
00:31:40,528 --> 00:31:43,062
So, any idea of who
this guy might have been
659
00:31:43,064 --> 00:31:44,397
when he was alive?
660
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:48,735
He had a clipboard in
his hand the entire time
661
00:31:48,737 --> 00:31:52,138
so I'm pretty certain he
worked there at some point.
662
00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:54,474
He seemed to be in charge.
663
00:31:54,476 --> 00:32:00,946
To me, he presented as
a 40-something year old man,
664
00:32:00,948 --> 00:32:03,950
very educated, and he told me
he takes care of this place,
665
00:32:03,952 --> 00:32:06,953
that he takes care
of everything.
666
00:32:06,955 --> 00:32:09,755
He said people
have it all wrong.
667
00:32:09,757 --> 00:32:12,358
There is something
much worse here.
668
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,494
A lot of things you
said remind me of
669
00:32:14,496 --> 00:32:15,828
the guy who built this place.
670
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:17,797
His name was
Dr. August Borchard.
671
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:19,966
He bought this
property back in 1906
672
00:32:19,968 --> 00:32:21,901
and lived here with
his wife and kids.
673
00:32:21,903 --> 00:32:23,837
He also ran his original
medical practice
674
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:25,171
here on the property.
675
00:32:25,173 --> 00:32:26,572
So if you were sick,
dying, or dead in the town,
676
00:32:26,574 --> 00:32:28,508
this guy was gonna
see you at some point.
677
00:32:28,510 --> 00:32:29,776
That's interesting.
678
00:32:29,778 --> 00:32:31,310
Now, he took responsibility
679
00:32:31,312 --> 00:32:33,713
of protecting the people of
New London very seriously
680
00:32:33,715 --> 00:32:34,914
from what I was told.
681
00:32:34,916 --> 00:32:36,983
And his dream, from
what the expert told me,
682
00:32:36,985 --> 00:32:39,185
was to build a hospital
for the community.
683
00:32:39,187 --> 00:32:40,720
He spent years raising the money
684
00:32:40,722 --> 00:32:43,856
and finally started
building this place in 1931.
685
00:32:43,858 --> 00:32:45,858
This guy had nothing
but bad luck though.
686
00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:47,727
I mean, first he
had a heart attack
687
00:32:47,729 --> 00:32:49,863
right after
the construction started.
688
00:32:49,865 --> 00:32:52,398
But he kept plugging away
and the place was
689
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,868
practically ready to go,
it was 90% done,
690
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:57,536
but at the last second,
the funding dried up.
691
00:32:57,538 --> 00:32:59,005
Right after the money ran out,
692
00:32:59,007 --> 00:33:02,075
he had a second heart
attack and that killed him.
693
00:33:02,077 --> 00:33:05,277
Now, I managed to track
down a photo of the guy.
694
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:07,613
Does he look familiar
to you at all?
695
00:33:07,615 --> 00:33:09,148
I don't know.
696
00:33:09,150 --> 00:33:12,685
I had a sketch done of
the person that I saw.
697
00:33:19,027 --> 00:33:20,627
You're not sure?
698
00:33:20,629 --> 00:33:23,563
Are you kidding me?
699
00:33:23,565 --> 00:33:28,167
You tell me if
that's him or not.
700
00:33:36,644 --> 00:33:38,311
It's definitely him.
701
00:33:38,313 --> 00:33:40,446
Yeah, like, as soon
as you grabbed it out,
702
00:33:40,448 --> 00:33:43,717
I was like,
my gosh, that's the guy.
703
00:33:43,719 --> 00:33:46,853
Now, there's
a reason why he told me
704
00:33:46,855 --> 00:33:48,855
there's something
much worse here.
705
00:33:48,857 --> 00:33:52,392
When I made it down
to the basement area,
706
00:33:52,394 --> 00:33:57,196
I was, like, put
into the darkness.
707
00:33:57,198 --> 00:33:58,931
This vacant place.
708
00:33:58,933 --> 00:34:01,934
It's vast and in this darkness,
709
00:34:01,936 --> 00:34:04,670
is hundreds of people
from all over the world.
710
00:34:04,672 --> 00:34:07,140
When I was trying to get more
information on this darkness,
711
00:34:07,142 --> 00:34:12,011
the clipboard guy was
referring to it as Hell.
712
00:34:12,013 --> 00:34:18,084
But I was raised Catholic,
so I equate it with purgatory.
713
00:34:18,086 --> 00:34:20,019
This darkness has always been,
714
00:34:20,021 --> 00:34:24,557
but it was not always
part of this building.
715
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:28,294
It was outside of the building
for a long time.
716
00:34:28,296 --> 00:34:34,367
But then I was told
by the doctor that
717
00:34:34,369 --> 00:34:36,836
there were several
events that took place
718
00:34:36,838 --> 00:34:40,640
and these events are what
moved the darkness inside
719
00:34:40,642 --> 00:34:44,043
and the most recent one was
within the last 20 years,
720
00:34:44,045 --> 00:34:49,982
there being some kind of
seance or conjuring done.
721
00:34:49,984 --> 00:34:52,919
It was not done with
the right intentions
722
00:34:52,921 --> 00:34:55,789
and so the darkness spread.
723
00:34:55,791 --> 00:34:57,990
And that's not a good thing.
724
00:34:57,992 --> 00:35:01,795
Well, my son played
with a Ouija board.
725
00:35:01,797 --> 00:35:05,665
Him and his friends all
went up to the top floor.
726
00:35:05,667 --> 00:35:09,202
There was a massive boom
that had taken place
727
00:35:09,204 --> 00:35:11,537
and they scattered.
728
00:35:11,539 --> 00:35:13,473
And he actually
called me, crying.
729
00:35:13,475 --> 00:35:14,941
That's not the only thing.
730
00:35:14,943 --> 00:35:17,210
The people who owned this
building before Charlotte,
731
00:35:17,212 --> 00:35:19,679
they were doing haunted
tours through there.
732
00:35:19,681 --> 00:35:21,080
What?
733
00:35:21,082 --> 00:35:24,350
Yeah.
734
00:35:24,352 --> 00:35:26,819
When I was talking to the
expert about this place,
735
00:35:26,821 --> 00:35:28,354
as far back as the '40s,
736
00:35:28,356 --> 00:35:31,490
people would come to see if
the place was haunted or not.
737
00:35:31,492 --> 00:35:34,627
Now, what's really concerning
about this darkness is
738
00:35:34,629 --> 00:35:37,497
you have all of these
random dead people
739
00:35:37,499 --> 00:35:41,033
wandering through your
space all the time.
740
00:35:41,035 --> 00:35:44,103
You could hear things
like people shuffling,
741
00:35:44,105 --> 00:35:48,241
walking, running, talking,
laughing, crying, screaming,
742
00:35:48,243 --> 00:35:52,311
yelling, possibly seeing
various apparitions of people.
743
00:35:52,313 --> 00:35:55,248
I saw a little boy
standing in the doorway.
744
00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:57,716
By the time it took me to
process, you know, he was gone.
745
00:35:58,987 --> 00:36:01,053
Now, I talked to four
of Charlotte's kids
746
00:36:01,055 --> 00:36:03,856
and all of them are hearing
noises, seeing shadows,
747
00:36:03,858 --> 00:36:05,992
apparitions.
Makes sense.
748
00:36:05,994 --> 00:36:09,996
The biggest way that these
dead affect the living
749
00:36:09,998 --> 00:36:12,732
is emotionally.
750
00:36:12,734 --> 00:36:15,401
They can latch onto you.
751
00:36:15,403 --> 00:36:16,803
So you would feel things like
752
00:36:16,805 --> 00:36:20,473
despair, depression, isolation,
regret, guilt, anger,
753
00:36:20,475 --> 00:36:23,943
and when they latch
onto living people,
754
00:36:23,945 --> 00:36:25,411
they mesh with you.
755
00:36:25,413 --> 00:36:30,282
You are taking on that
emotional state of that person.
756
00:36:30,284 --> 00:36:32,685
So one of the biggest reasons
Charlotte called us in is
757
00:36:32,687 --> 00:36:35,288
her and her family are
dealing with emotional changes
758
00:36:35,290 --> 00:36:39,292
in the building that are just
driving wedges between them.
759
00:36:39,294 --> 00:36:40,893
Talk about your husband.
760
00:36:40,895 --> 00:36:46,699
He is secluded, just
aggressive, and negative.
761
00:36:46,701 --> 00:36:48,201
And I wanted to talk
to him, obviously,
762
00:36:48,203 --> 00:36:49,969
but he wanted nothing to
do with this investigation.
763
00:36:49,971 --> 00:36:50,903
Really?
At all.
764
00:36:50,905 --> 00:36:54,640
Yeah.
Really?
765
00:36:54,642 --> 00:36:56,109
So the dead and the darkness
766
00:36:56,111 --> 00:36:57,577
are causing all this crap.
767
00:36:57,579 --> 00:37:00,179
What do they want from
Charlotte and her family?
768
00:37:00,181 --> 00:37:02,581
They don't really understand
what they're doing or
769
00:37:02,583 --> 00:37:04,984
they're just wandering,
they're lost.
770
00:37:04,986 --> 00:37:09,656
But they're being controlled
by this evil presence.
771
00:37:09,658 --> 00:37:13,459
I would call it a devil.
772
00:37:13,461 --> 00:37:20,332
So, it's much stronger than
what people consider demons.
773
00:37:20,334 --> 00:37:23,069
So I had a sketch
done of what I saw.
774
00:37:35,417 --> 00:37:40,019
I don't think you're
gonna like seeing this.
775
00:37:40,021 --> 00:37:41,220
No.
776
00:37:41,222 --> 00:37:42,688
I don't like it.
777
00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:44,090
I don't
like it.
778
00:37:48,496 --> 00:37:52,465
I'm afraid to leave her.
779
00:37:52,467 --> 00:37:54,834
What are those things?
780
00:37:54,836 --> 00:37:58,438
These are souls
that went to Hell
781
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:03,109
and he has a couple of them
that he keeps with him.
782
00:38:03,111 --> 00:38:06,179
I want to make this
perfectly clear.
783
00:38:06,181 --> 00:38:11,250
You have a very
serious situation here.
784
00:38:11,252 --> 00:38:19,125
You have young children who
are directly in harm's way.
785
00:38:20,928 --> 00:38:24,997
These things could
kill your kids.
786
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:30,336
I'm scared for her.
Yeah.
787
00:38:30,338 --> 00:38:31,337
I'm scared for the kids.
788
00:38:31,339 --> 00:38:33,872
Yeah.
789
00:38:33,874 --> 00:38:36,475
What are you gonna do?
790
00:38:38,013 --> 00:38:41,947
What can you do?
791
00:38:41,949 --> 00:38:43,348
I felt it.
792
00:38:43,350 --> 00:38:50,155
I just hoped that
it wasn't true.
793
00:38:50,157 --> 00:38:52,225
I've worked so hard.
794
00:38:56,297 --> 00:38:58,498
And for nothing.
795
00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:18,283
So, Charlotte, the other day
796
00:39:18,285 --> 00:39:20,485
you told me you felt like
you were living in Hell.
797
00:39:20,487 --> 00:39:22,688
And, unfortunately
for you and your kids,
798
00:39:22,690 --> 00:39:25,224
it sounds like you are.
799
00:39:25,226 --> 00:39:27,759
Now we're gonna find out if
there's any way to fix this mess
800
00:39:27,761 --> 00:39:28,894
so you can get on with your life
801
00:39:28,896 --> 00:39:31,029
and get your family
back together.
802
00:39:31,031 --> 00:39:36,701
For that answer, I'm
gonna turn it over to Amy.
803
00:39:36,703 --> 00:39:45,043
This situation, it's beyond,
like, mere mortal intervention.
804
00:39:45,045 --> 00:39:50,782
There's nothing that
can be done about it.
805
00:39:50,784 --> 00:39:59,725
Right now, honestly, the safest
option is to move.
806
00:39:59,727 --> 00:40:02,861
As fast as you can.
807
00:40:02,863 --> 00:40:05,597
- We gotta move out.
- Nowhere to go, I mean.
808
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:09,801
How can I find something
big enough, how?
809
00:40:09,803 --> 00:40:13,405
I totally wasn't
prepared for this.
810
00:40:13,407 --> 00:40:14,540
It's not easy to tell people
811
00:40:14,542 --> 00:40:18,210
they've gotta leave
their home, trust me.
812
00:40:18,212 --> 00:40:21,813
After you move out,
that's when an exorcism
813
00:40:21,815 --> 00:40:27,886
would have to be done on your
husband in a place of worship.
814
00:40:27,888 --> 00:40:34,159
What happens if, you know,
Jason refuses to get any
815
00:40:34,161 --> 00:40:35,627
help for himself?
816
00:40:35,629 --> 00:40:41,500
If he's to the point
where I think he might be,
817
00:40:41,502 --> 00:40:45,771
you might have to leave him.
818
00:40:45,773 --> 00:40:49,975
I know you didn't want to
hear it but, unfortunately,
819
00:40:49,977 --> 00:40:52,177
it's bad news.
820
00:40:52,179 --> 00:40:54,246
It, like, breaks my heart.
821
00:40:54,248 --> 00:40:56,114
But thank God they came
because if something
822
00:40:56,116 --> 00:40:59,251
would have happened
to one of the kids.
823
00:40:59,253 --> 00:41:05,390
It's not worth having
everyone get hurt.
824
00:41:05,392 --> 00:41:07,125
So I'll ask you simply.
825
00:41:07,127 --> 00:41:10,729
Are you gonna do what
Amy tells you to do?
826
00:41:10,731 --> 00:41:12,330
Yeah, I have no choice.
827
00:41:12,332 --> 00:41:16,601
I mean, I care more about my
family than a damn property.
828
00:41:18,873 --> 00:41:21,406
So I know this is bad news,
829
00:41:21,408 --> 00:41:23,408
but are you glad we
came to investigate
830
00:41:23,410 --> 00:41:26,077
or are you like I
shoulda never did this?
831
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:28,280
I needed you to come out.
832
00:41:28,282 --> 00:41:29,681
I've been stuck.
833
00:41:29,683 --> 00:41:33,618
I've been stuck for,
God, years, already.
834
00:41:33,620 --> 00:41:36,487
And I'm sure Nicole'll help
you, whatever you need.
835
00:41:36,489 --> 00:41:39,023
Yeah, because I believe in her
836
00:41:39,025 --> 00:41:41,360
and I believe that she's strong.
837
00:41:41,362 --> 00:41:45,030
I'll figure it out, I
always do figure it out.
838
00:41:45,032 --> 00:41:46,965
I'm so glad we did this.
839
00:41:46,967 --> 00:41:48,833
Now we can actually move out
840
00:41:48,835 --> 00:41:52,103
and not have all these
horrible things happen.
841
00:41:52,105 --> 00:41:55,907
It'll be a good thing.
842
00:41:55,909 --> 00:41:58,844
Telling clients they
need to move isn't easy
843
00:41:58,846 --> 00:42:01,780
especially when
they have children.
844
00:42:01,782 --> 00:42:03,515
But if Charlotte
follows my advice
845
00:42:03,517 --> 00:42:06,118
and moves as far
away as possible,
846
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:13,458
she and her family can find
the peace they deserve.
847
00:42:13,460 --> 00:42:16,394
Hi, it's Charlotte and I
have my daughter Haley--
848
00:42:16,396 --> 00:42:17,862
Hi.
With me.
849
00:42:17,864 --> 00:42:20,598
Since you've been gone, we've
been looking for a place.
850
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,668
We haven't found anything
large enough for our family yet
851
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:25,937
so hopefully in the near future,
852
00:42:25,939 --> 00:42:28,907
some properties will
come on the market.
853
00:42:28,957 --> 00:42:33,507
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