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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,177 --> 00:00:14,312 There's all of this chaos and fighting going on. 2 00:00:16,950 --> 00:00:18,717 My daughter, she would cry and stare 3 00:00:18,719 --> 00:00:20,952 out the window and then laugh. 4 00:00:20,954 --> 00:00:23,455 I would always sleepwalk and have night terrors. 5 00:00:23,457 --> 00:00:26,258 I thought something was taking over her. 6 00:00:26,260 --> 00:00:27,992 Do you think he's dangerous? 7 00:00:27,994 --> 00:00:32,464 Yes, he's enjoying causing fear. 8 00:00:32,466 --> 00:00:34,933 A lot of dead people in one spot. 9 00:00:34,935 --> 00:00:38,736 He could more than likely kill you. 10 00:00:38,738 --> 00:00:41,406 I don't like this guy. 11 00:00:41,408 --> 00:00:44,675 And I just feel fear. 12 00:00:44,677 --> 00:00:46,478 My name is Amy Allan. 13 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:49,481 This is like Grand Central Station for the dead. 14 00:00:49,483 --> 00:00:50,682 I see dead people. 15 00:00:50,684 --> 00:00:52,951 They have pain that they suffered. 16 00:00:52,953 --> 00:00:54,886 I speak to dead people. 17 00:00:54,888 --> 00:00:57,756 She hates them, hates them. 18 00:00:57,758 --> 00:01:00,224 And they speak to me. 19 00:01:00,226 --> 00:01:03,828 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 20 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:07,165 It's a demon. It's Satan. 21 00:01:07,167 --> 00:01:08,766 I rely on my partner. 22 00:01:08,768 --> 00:01:10,168 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 23 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:12,237 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 24 00:01:12,239 --> 00:01:13,972 What was the body count, what happened? 25 00:01:13,974 --> 00:01:17,642 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 26 00:01:17,644 --> 00:01:19,177 I don't know if it's a demon or not, 27 00:01:19,179 --> 00:01:20,511 but it sure as hell looks like one. 28 00:01:20,513 --> 00:01:22,047 It's my job to reveal them. 29 00:01:22,049 --> 00:01:24,649 I feel like I'm crazy. 30 00:01:24,651 --> 00:01:26,617 But Steve and I never speak... 31 00:01:26,619 --> 00:01:28,586 We never communicate during an investigation. 32 00:01:28,588 --> 00:01:29,788 ...until the very end... 33 00:01:29,790 --> 00:01:31,990 I don't even want to show you this. 34 00:01:31,992 --> 00:01:34,058 ...when we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 35 00:01:34,060 --> 00:01:36,127 I just don't want anything to happen to my mother. 36 00:01:36,129 --> 00:01:38,063 ...or time to get out. 37 00:01:38,065 --> 00:01:39,597 You have to get out. 38 00:01:51,811 --> 00:01:54,746 I'm out here in Jefferson City. It's the capital of Missouri. 39 00:01:54,748 --> 00:01:56,614 I got a call from a young couple. 40 00:01:56,616 --> 00:01:58,483 Activity got so bad for them, 41 00:01:58,485 --> 00:02:00,018 they had to pack up their bags, 42 00:02:00,020 --> 00:02:02,287 grab the kids, and get the hell out. 43 00:02:02,289 --> 00:02:03,954 Now they got a hell of a problem. 44 00:02:03,956 --> 00:02:05,623 They can't afford to keep the house, 45 00:02:05,625 --> 00:02:07,024 but they know the house is dangerous, 46 00:02:07,026 --> 00:02:08,426 so they refuse to sell it. 47 00:02:08,428 --> 00:02:10,361 These guys are desperate and we hope 48 00:02:10,363 --> 00:02:12,363 we can help them find a way out. 49 00:02:15,235 --> 00:02:17,034 Before Amy arrives, 50 00:02:17,036 --> 00:02:21,239 I sweep the area looking for any leading information. 51 00:02:21,241 --> 00:02:23,842 This house has a lot of photos and religious symbols, 52 00:02:23,844 --> 00:02:26,978 so it's important that I cover or remove them all. 53 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:31,449 When I'm done, the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 54 00:02:42,195 --> 00:02:45,864 There's all of this chaos and fighting going on. 55 00:02:46,933 --> 00:02:48,199 **** 56 00:02:48,201 --> 00:02:50,601 That was weird. 57 00:02:50,603 --> 00:02:55,340 Like I got a physical push back on, like, my shoulder. 58 00:02:57,143 --> 00:03:00,678 There's so much energy, it's insane. 59 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,080 It's like this isn't even here, 60 00:03:02,082 --> 00:03:05,216 there's a **** whirlwind of **** energy, 61 00:03:05,218 --> 00:03:07,152 like a vortex. 62 00:03:16,096 --> 00:03:17,896 So, Erin, when we spoke on the phone, 63 00:03:17,898 --> 00:03:20,031 it sounded like things were crazy here. 64 00:03:20,033 --> 00:03:23,168 Yeah, we bought this house in 2017. 65 00:03:23,170 --> 00:03:25,169 The moment we walked in, fell in love with it 66 00:03:25,171 --> 00:03:27,772 and six months after living there, we had to move, 67 00:03:27,774 --> 00:03:29,641 we literally one Monday morning said, 68 00:03:29,643 --> 00:03:32,444 "We're out," and put an offer on a house two days later. 69 00:03:32,446 --> 00:03:34,645 Was there something that happened that kind of, 70 00:03:34,647 --> 00:03:36,648 that was it, you had to get out? 71 00:03:36,650 --> 00:03:38,916 Yeah, my daughter had had night terrors 72 00:03:38,918 --> 00:03:41,519 and sleptwalked every single night. 73 00:03:41,521 --> 00:03:44,856 She would cry and stare out the window and then laugh. 74 00:03:44,858 --> 00:03:48,859 She was very weird, she was very eerie. 75 00:03:48,861 --> 00:03:50,462 What was the final straw? 76 00:03:50,464 --> 00:03:51,663 My daughter was in the bathtub 77 00:03:51,665 --> 00:03:53,731 and she literally looked over at me and said, 78 00:03:53,733 --> 00:03:54,799 "Mommy, what would happen if I threw 79 00:03:54,801 --> 00:03:56,267 my baby brother out the window?" 80 00:03:56,269 --> 00:03:57,468 What? 81 00:03:57,470 --> 00:03:59,270 Yep, and I said, "Baby girl, 82 00:03:59,272 --> 00:04:01,739 we would never say that, we don't joke about that." 83 00:04:01,741 --> 00:04:03,140 And a couple minutes later, she started crying, 84 00:04:03,142 --> 00:04:04,408 and she said, "Mommy I did not say that. 85 00:04:04,410 --> 00:04:05,810 My brain told me to say that. 86 00:04:05,812 --> 00:04:08,279 I promise I did not say that, I would never say that." 87 00:04:08,281 --> 00:04:09,547 Do you think she was being possessed 88 00:04:09,549 --> 00:04:11,816 or do you think she was being influenced? 89 00:04:11,818 --> 00:04:13,351 I mean, as a mother, I don't even want to say 90 00:04:13,353 --> 00:04:15,620 that she was being possessed, 91 00:04:15,622 --> 00:04:17,822 it makes me sick, but, yeah. 92 00:04:17,824 --> 00:04:19,624 Okay, so now that your daughter's in this other house, 93 00:04:19,626 --> 00:04:21,292 is she back to normal? 94 00:04:21,294 --> 00:04:24,429 She is, it's a night and day different situation with her. 95 00:04:24,431 --> 00:04:27,265 When you were in the house, who was living here? 96 00:04:27,267 --> 00:04:29,100 We're a family of four. 97 00:04:29,102 --> 00:04:32,103 It's me, and my husband's name is Aaron also, 98 00:04:32,105 --> 00:04:35,640 and then Reina is 7 and Titus is now 2. 99 00:04:35,642 --> 00:04:37,375 This is a very unusual case for us, 100 00:04:37,377 --> 00:04:39,310 you guys are already out of the house. 101 00:04:39,312 --> 00:04:40,778 If we can fix what's going on here, 102 00:04:40,780 --> 00:04:41,979 we'll give you the tools for it, 103 00:04:41,981 --> 00:04:43,381 would you move back in? 104 00:04:43,383 --> 00:04:47,252 I don't know, even being here gives me anxiety. 105 00:04:47,254 --> 00:04:49,854 Alright, so do me a favor and give me a list 106 00:04:49,856 --> 00:04:51,256 of what the hell's going on here. 107 00:04:51,258 --> 00:04:54,192 Footsteps, voices, 108 00:04:54,194 --> 00:04:57,128 electronics turning on and off, 109 00:04:57,130 --> 00:05:00,064 apparitions, my health declined. 110 00:05:00,066 --> 00:05:01,532 What's going on? 111 00:05:01,534 --> 00:05:03,868 I felt like I was getting the life drained out of me. 112 00:05:03,870 --> 00:05:06,604 It was like it was trying to make me weak, 113 00:05:06,606 --> 00:05:07,872 so that I couldn't fight back 114 00:05:07,874 --> 00:05:09,340 and I couldn't protect my daughter. 115 00:05:09,342 --> 00:05:11,342 Sometimes I thought I was just crazy. 116 00:05:14,013 --> 00:05:18,883 It's a lot of residual **** going on here. 117 00:05:18,885 --> 00:05:21,419 Would this residual affect the living? 118 00:05:21,421 --> 00:05:25,890 Yeah, you're feeling fear, panic, 119 00:05:25,892 --> 00:05:28,158 and kind of like disoriented. 120 00:05:31,498 --> 00:05:34,833 I think that could hit you if you're depressed. 121 00:05:34,835 --> 00:05:36,835 It could make you lethargic. 122 00:05:36,837 --> 00:05:40,037 You might have dreams about it. 123 00:05:46,879 --> 00:05:48,279 I spent a lot of time up here. 124 00:05:48,281 --> 00:05:49,680 This was my office. 125 00:05:49,682 --> 00:05:51,215 Every night when we went to bed, 126 00:05:51,217 --> 00:05:53,551 basically we would hear noises from up here. 127 00:05:53,553 --> 00:05:56,420 So, banging or scratching. 128 00:05:56,422 --> 00:05:59,289 The house would just start rumbling. 129 00:05:59,291 --> 00:06:00,491 Okay, I mean, things have settled down 130 00:06:00,493 --> 00:06:02,093 at night and it's quiet, but, you know, 131 00:06:02,095 --> 00:06:04,895 it's something Amy may be able to help us out with. 132 00:06:04,897 --> 00:06:06,630 Now, is anything else going on? 133 00:06:06,632 --> 00:06:08,299 Yeah, as I was cleaning out my daughter's room, 134 00:06:08,301 --> 00:06:09,767 we were packing up all of our stuff 135 00:06:09,769 --> 00:06:11,902 and I looked over and there was a man 136 00:06:11,904 --> 00:06:14,038 standing in her doorway. 137 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,240 He was tall and thin 138 00:06:16,242 --> 00:06:19,042 and he had an old-fashioned suit and a top hat. 139 00:06:19,044 --> 00:06:20,111 Give me an age. 140 00:06:20,113 --> 00:06:21,712 40, 45. 141 00:06:21,714 --> 00:06:23,514 Alright, so with all this activity going on, 142 00:06:23,516 --> 00:06:25,116 what the hell do you think this house 143 00:06:25,118 --> 00:06:26,717 is asking of you or wants from you? 144 00:06:26,719 --> 00:06:29,052 Sometimes I think it wants to scare us, 145 00:06:29,054 --> 00:06:32,123 sometimes I think it wants to control us 146 00:06:32,125 --> 00:06:33,658 and sometimes I think it wants 147 00:06:33,660 --> 00:06:34,992 to suck the life out of us. 148 00:06:38,131 --> 00:06:41,265 I keep seeing a doctor. 149 00:06:41,267 --> 00:06:44,801 This guy was just always, like, super stressed. 150 00:06:47,540 --> 00:06:49,607 I feel like people are seeing him. 151 00:06:52,812 --> 00:06:54,879 This seems pretty consistent, 152 00:06:54,881 --> 00:06:57,148 like it could be any time of day or night 153 00:06:57,150 --> 00:07:00,885 and more when they're having, like, taking a shower. 154 00:07:00,887 --> 00:07:02,620 I don't like him now. 155 00:07:07,293 --> 00:07:08,825 Do you think he's dangerous? 156 00:07:08,827 --> 00:07:12,429 Yes, I do, because of the knowledge 157 00:07:12,431 --> 00:07:16,300 he has about the body, he's enjoying causing fear 158 00:07:16,302 --> 00:07:19,370 and he's enjoying intimidating these people. 159 00:07:19,372 --> 00:07:22,573 His ultimate goal, really, isn't to kill anybody, 160 00:07:22,575 --> 00:07:25,576 but he could if he wanted to. 161 00:07:32,919 --> 00:07:35,453 This is where most of the things happened to me. 162 00:07:35,455 --> 00:07:36,586 Okay, like what? 163 00:07:36,588 --> 00:07:39,189 When I slept, I had nightmares all the time. 164 00:07:39,191 --> 00:07:41,192 I remember one very vividly, 165 00:07:41,194 --> 00:07:43,461 to the point where I would recognize the people 166 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:44,995 in it if I saw them on the street. 167 00:07:44,997 --> 00:07:45,929 What happened in that dream? 168 00:07:45,931 --> 00:07:47,598 I was walking on a set of stairs 169 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,132 and there was an older woman 170 00:07:49,134 --> 00:07:50,801 and she was holding a baby and that baby 171 00:07:50,803 --> 00:07:52,269 was frustrating her. 172 00:07:52,271 --> 00:07:55,472 And she beat the baby's head against the stairs. 173 00:07:55,474 --> 00:07:56,607 So, was anybody else 174 00:07:56,609 --> 00:07:58,609 having these vivid nightmares like you? 175 00:07:58,611 --> 00:08:01,679 Yeah, Reina definitely had some terrible nightmares. 176 00:08:01,681 --> 00:08:03,013 Anything else? 177 00:08:03,015 --> 00:08:06,684 I had something lay on top of me and trap me 178 00:08:06,686 --> 00:08:09,287 for about 10 minutes, it smothered me. 179 00:08:09,289 --> 00:08:10,488 Alright, so what happened? 180 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:11,822 I was asleep and I woke up 181 00:08:11,824 --> 00:08:13,824 and something was wrapping its body on me. 182 00:08:13,826 --> 00:08:16,360 I couldn't move and I couldn't scream 183 00:08:16,362 --> 00:08:17,761 and I couldn't ask for help. 184 00:08:17,763 --> 00:08:19,363 Did it feel like a person's body 185 00:08:19,365 --> 00:08:20,997 or just like a mass on you? 186 00:08:20,999 --> 00:08:25,436 It was a big, dark mass just smothering me. 187 00:08:25,438 --> 00:08:27,571 So while you were getting pinned down, 188 00:08:27,573 --> 00:08:29,040 what sense did you get? 189 00:08:29,042 --> 00:08:31,642 It felt more like 190 00:08:31,644 --> 00:08:33,844 it liked taking control of me. 191 00:08:36,649 --> 00:08:40,250 The doctor likes to kind of torture people 192 00:08:40,252 --> 00:08:42,453 and he can get physical. 193 00:08:42,455 --> 00:08:44,654 Somebody's in here trying to sleep 194 00:08:44,656 --> 00:08:47,992 and I saw him bolt out of that bathroom 195 00:08:47,994 --> 00:08:52,662 and they're seeing this thing coming at them. 196 00:08:52,664 --> 00:08:54,932 I'm being **** attacked. 197 00:08:54,934 --> 00:08:56,400 I'm being charged by this thing, 198 00:08:56,402 --> 00:08:57,868 I don't know what the **** it is. 199 00:08:57,870 --> 00:08:59,469 What are they seeing then? 200 00:08:59,471 --> 00:09:04,074 More of like a black ball thing, but, like, fast. 201 00:09:04,076 --> 00:09:05,876 They're and it's in their face, 202 00:09:05,878 --> 00:09:07,545 you know, like freaking 'em out. 203 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:09,746 Definitely like, "I'm gonna hurt you" 204 00:09:09,748 --> 00:09:11,682 is the feeling that they're getting with it. 205 00:09:15,688 --> 00:09:17,421 They're waking up, they look over, 206 00:09:17,423 --> 00:09:19,757 this thing charges them, the next thing they know 207 00:09:19,759 --> 00:09:23,427 is that they're being pushed on and touched. 208 00:09:23,429 --> 00:09:24,628 He's like doing weird ****, 209 00:09:24,630 --> 00:09:27,431 like giving them "examinations," 210 00:09:27,433 --> 00:09:30,167 but it's like obviously not appropriate, 211 00:09:30,169 --> 00:09:32,970 so they're feeling violated. 212 00:09:32,972 --> 00:09:34,505 It's **** weird! 213 00:10:01,067 --> 00:10:02,800 So Reina, I was talking to Mommy today 214 00:10:02,802 --> 00:10:04,201 and she said when you lived here, 215 00:10:04,203 --> 00:10:05,669 you were having a tough time. 216 00:10:05,671 --> 00:10:07,604 Now, can you tell me about some of the things 217 00:10:07,606 --> 00:10:08,806 that were going on? 218 00:10:08,808 --> 00:10:10,941 I would always sleepwalk and have night terrors. 219 00:10:10,943 --> 00:10:12,476 Do you remember getting up and sleepwalking 220 00:10:12,478 --> 00:10:14,011 or waking up from it? 221 00:10:14,013 --> 00:10:16,213 No? No. 222 00:10:16,215 --> 00:10:17,881 Do you remember the nightmares you were having? 223 00:10:17,883 --> 00:10:19,150 No. 224 00:10:19,452 --> 00:10:20,651 Okay. 225 00:10:20,653 --> 00:10:21,785 Anything else? 226 00:10:21,787 --> 00:10:23,720 Yes, I remember voices. 227 00:10:23,722 --> 00:10:25,321 Do you remember what was said? 228 00:10:25,323 --> 00:10:28,992 When I was by the stairs, I heard a girl say hi. 229 00:10:28,994 --> 00:10:30,527 And did you hear it in your ear, 230 00:10:30,529 --> 00:10:33,663 or did you hear it in your head? 231 00:10:33,665 --> 00:10:35,132 I heard it in my ear. 232 00:10:35,134 --> 00:10:36,733 In your ear, okay. 233 00:10:36,735 --> 00:10:38,535 Now, Reina, Mommy told me about a time 234 00:10:38,537 --> 00:10:40,604 that a voice told you to do something 235 00:10:40,606 --> 00:10:42,673 bad to your brother, do you remember that? 236 00:10:42,675 --> 00:10:45,342 Yes, I think it was a man. 237 00:10:45,344 --> 00:10:47,477 That told you to hurt your brother? 238 00:10:48,747 --> 00:10:50,013 You didn't come up with that yourself? 239 00:10:50,015 --> 00:10:51,347 No. 240 00:10:51,349 --> 00:10:53,216 But you don't hear those voices anymore, do you? 241 00:10:53,218 --> 00:10:55,219 No. That's good. 242 00:10:55,221 --> 00:10:57,421 So, Reina, this is a real pretty room. 243 00:10:57,423 --> 00:10:59,756 If we can fix this, the problem here, 244 00:10:59,758 --> 00:11:01,491 would you want to come back and stay here? 245 00:11:01,493 --> 00:11:03,693 - No. - No? 246 00:11:03,695 --> 00:11:04,828 Is it because you were afraid when you were here? 247 00:11:04,830 --> 00:11:06,229 A little bit afraid. 248 00:11:06,231 --> 00:11:08,365 Yeah, okay, honey. 249 00:11:08,367 --> 00:11:11,435 And you don't want that stuff to happen again? 250 00:11:11,437 --> 00:11:12,436 Okay. 251 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,841 I'm seeing a teenage boy. 252 00:11:17,843 --> 00:11:20,977 He has brain damage. 253 00:11:20,979 --> 00:11:22,979 His energy is all weird. 254 00:11:22,981 --> 00:11:24,848 Okay, I'm seeing somebody getting 255 00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:27,717 literally thrown down the stairs. 256 00:11:27,719 --> 00:11:30,921 Physically picked up and thrown. 257 00:11:33,391 --> 00:11:36,126 Somebody choking, choking. 258 00:11:43,936 --> 00:11:47,737 The teenage boy is up here with some man. 259 00:11:47,739 --> 00:11:50,073 What is their relationship? 260 00:11:50,075 --> 00:11:53,944 I think it's father and son. 261 00:11:53,946 --> 00:11:58,148 The thing about his kid is this kid, 262 00:11:58,150 --> 00:12:03,153 who has brain damage, he does cause a lot of problems. 263 00:12:03,155 --> 00:12:05,689 He doesn't know how to communicate, 264 00:12:05,691 --> 00:12:08,224 so then he'll get really enraged 265 00:12:08,226 --> 00:12:11,628 when people aren't paying attention or responding. 266 00:12:13,299 --> 00:12:16,499 And then he causes, like, issues. 267 00:12:24,243 --> 00:12:26,443 So, Aaron, I was talking to your wife 268 00:12:26,445 --> 00:12:28,511 and she was talking to me about stuff 269 00:12:28,513 --> 00:12:29,846 going on with Reina. 270 00:12:29,848 --> 00:12:32,716 Might have been influenced by something in the house. 271 00:12:32,718 --> 00:12:34,184 Do you agree with that? 272 00:12:34,186 --> 00:12:36,520 You know, the sleepwalking was -- was creepy 273 00:12:36,522 --> 00:12:39,522 and I noticed that it was happening every single night. 274 00:12:39,524 --> 00:12:41,124 I thought something was -- 275 00:12:41,126 --> 00:12:43,059 something was taking over her. 276 00:12:43,061 --> 00:12:45,395 And then in the morning, she had no recollection of it. 277 00:12:45,397 --> 00:12:46,530 That must have broke your heart. 278 00:12:46,532 --> 00:12:48,799 I was angry, just angry at the situation, 279 00:12:48,801 --> 00:12:49,933 'cause I couldn't fix it. 280 00:12:49,935 --> 00:12:51,935 Do you believe in this stuff? 281 00:12:51,937 --> 00:12:55,405 Before, not really, you know, I'm a former police officer, 282 00:12:55,407 --> 00:12:57,474 former Marine, it was hard for me to believe 283 00:12:57,476 --> 00:12:58,875 until I had my own experiences. 284 00:12:58,877 --> 00:13:00,877 So you were a Marine as well? 285 00:13:00,879 --> 00:13:01,945 Yes. 286 00:13:01,947 --> 00:13:03,346 Okay, Semper Fi, brother. 287 00:13:03,348 --> 00:13:04,948 Now, as far as experiences, 288 00:13:04,950 --> 00:13:07,417 what can you tell me that you've had? 289 00:13:07,419 --> 00:13:09,486 In our bedroom, above was the attic 290 00:13:09,488 --> 00:13:12,555 and I always heard a loud banging noise, 291 00:13:12,557 --> 00:13:15,225 which I could describe as someone dropping a box 292 00:13:15,227 --> 00:13:16,760 and then getting upset and kicking it, 293 00:13:16,762 --> 00:13:18,428 'cause you would hear a slide. 294 00:13:18,430 --> 00:13:19,429 Interesting. 295 00:13:19,431 --> 00:13:20,363 When I was talking to your wife, 296 00:13:20,365 --> 00:13:22,499 she mentioned the same noises. 297 00:13:22,501 --> 00:13:25,969 Is it possible it was just an old-house noise? 298 00:13:25,971 --> 00:13:27,371 You know, at first I thought it was, 299 00:13:27,373 --> 00:13:30,707 but that space above the room, there's no floor. 300 00:13:30,709 --> 00:13:33,710 So, a loud noise like that doesn't make any sense. 301 00:13:33,712 --> 00:13:35,178 Right, okay. 302 00:13:35,180 --> 00:13:36,379 Anything else? 303 00:13:36,381 --> 00:13:37,914 Every time I come into the basement, 304 00:13:37,916 --> 00:13:39,383 I always feel like someone -- 305 00:13:39,385 --> 00:13:40,984 someone's jumping on my back. 306 00:13:40,986 --> 00:13:43,453 Okay, so you're telling me you're feeling that right now? 307 00:13:43,455 --> 00:13:45,588 Right now, yeah. 308 00:13:45,590 --> 00:13:49,525 It feels like, just, almost like, 309 00:13:49,527 --> 00:13:51,662 like a lighter person, like they have 310 00:13:51,664 --> 00:13:54,330 their legs wrapped around my waist and on my -- 311 00:13:54,332 --> 00:13:56,333 almost like a kid would be holding onto me. 312 00:13:56,335 --> 00:13:58,068 It stays with me until I leave this room. 313 00:13:58,070 --> 00:14:01,537 If we can fix it, would you consider coming back? 314 00:14:01,539 --> 00:14:04,073 No, this house terrifies me. 315 00:14:04,075 --> 00:14:05,542 Okay. 316 00:14:05,544 --> 00:14:06,810 As a former Marine, a cop, 317 00:14:06,812 --> 00:14:08,278 if you sold this house tomorrow, 318 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,680 do you think you'd be putting the other people in danger? 319 00:14:10,682 --> 00:14:12,348 Yes, 100%. 320 00:14:12,350 --> 00:14:13,417 Okay. 321 00:14:14,686 --> 00:14:19,289 The kid, the teenage boy, makes me fearful for the living. 322 00:14:19,291 --> 00:14:22,692 When he freaks out, he will lash out 323 00:14:22,694 --> 00:14:25,561 by punching people or pushing people. 324 00:14:26,498 --> 00:14:28,932 And because there's so many stairs here, 325 00:14:28,934 --> 00:14:32,101 if you're in the wrong place and he freaks out, 326 00:14:32,103 --> 00:14:37,441 he could cause somebody accidentally more harm. 327 00:14:37,443 --> 00:14:41,177 He's so uncontrollable and unpredictable. 328 00:14:41,179 --> 00:14:44,047 He'll, like, throw a fit and he'll, like, be stomping 329 00:14:44,049 --> 00:14:48,684 and screaming and yelling and slamming things. 330 00:14:48,686 --> 00:14:52,055 He has PK, too. 331 00:14:52,057 --> 00:14:54,524 So, he's able to move and affect things 332 00:14:54,526 --> 00:14:56,459 with his energy, so it's like, 333 00:14:56,461 --> 00:14:59,862 a double, you know, kind of whammy there 334 00:14:59,864 --> 00:15:02,732 for living people who are experiencing this. 335 00:15:02,734 --> 00:15:04,067 It's just like, "Look at me. Look at me" 336 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:06,069 or "Hear me, see me." 337 00:15:06,071 --> 00:15:07,137 He's bad. 338 00:15:27,825 --> 00:15:30,293 I would've had to been blind to miss this first lead. 339 00:15:30,295 --> 00:15:32,829 There's this huge prison, just down the street 340 00:15:32,831 --> 00:15:34,296 from the client's house. 341 00:15:34,298 --> 00:15:35,898 So, I made some calls and tracked down 342 00:15:35,900 --> 00:15:37,466 the last deputy warden of the place, 343 00:15:37,468 --> 00:15:39,034 who agreed to meet with me. 344 00:15:39,036 --> 00:15:41,237 He says the state pen was known as 345 00:15:41,239 --> 00:15:43,973 the bloodiest 47 acres in America. 346 00:15:50,915 --> 00:15:52,915 So, before we get to all the bloodshed, 347 00:15:52,917 --> 00:15:55,050 curious when did this place open? 348 00:15:55,052 --> 00:15:57,653 It opened in 1836, the week that 349 00:15:57,655 --> 00:15:59,922 the Alamo battle was going on in Texas. 350 00:15:59,924 --> 00:16:01,056 Okay. 351 00:16:01,058 --> 00:16:04,526 I've got a photo here from about 1906. 352 00:16:04,528 --> 00:16:06,329 So, obviously things got bad here, 353 00:16:06,331 --> 00:16:08,063 but when did that start? 354 00:16:08,065 --> 00:16:10,732 Well, Steve, it almost started from the very beginning. 355 00:16:10,734 --> 00:16:13,269 The conditions were absolutely horrific, 356 00:16:13,271 --> 00:16:15,537 where you had no heat in these units, 357 00:16:15,539 --> 00:16:18,341 inmates that complained about lice, 358 00:16:18,343 --> 00:16:19,809 about putrid food. 359 00:16:19,811 --> 00:16:21,410 I've actually got a picture here, Steve, 360 00:16:21,412 --> 00:16:24,346 and you can see the men in their stripes. 361 00:16:24,348 --> 00:16:26,015 Those men are from punishment hall 362 00:16:26,017 --> 00:16:28,618 and they could be whipped up to 150 lashes. 363 00:16:28,620 --> 00:16:31,087 It was a very difficult institution. 364 00:16:31,089 --> 00:16:33,155 Okay, this place is huge. 365 00:16:33,157 --> 00:16:35,358 I mean, how many prisoners were here at one time? 366 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,794 Up in the 1930's, there was upwards of 5,000. 367 00:16:38,796 --> 00:16:42,164 So, this prison was one of the largest prisons 368 00:16:42,166 --> 00:16:43,632 in the United States. 369 00:16:43,634 --> 00:16:45,300 So Mark, I gotta figure, with all these prisoners, 370 00:16:45,302 --> 00:16:46,568 the conditions and everything, 371 00:16:46,570 --> 00:16:47,903 there had to be some riots, right? 372 00:16:47,905 --> 00:16:49,638 Yes, there were a number of riots. 373 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,907 The biggest one was in 1954. 374 00:16:51,909 --> 00:16:55,110 Five offenders were actually killed 375 00:16:55,112 --> 00:16:57,513 and about 80-some were injured 376 00:16:57,515 --> 00:16:59,582 and here's all the burned-out buildings, 377 00:16:59,584 --> 00:17:01,984 so it was really quite horrific. 378 00:17:01,986 --> 00:17:03,919 How many people died here over the years? 379 00:17:03,921 --> 00:17:07,056 I think upwards of 2,000. 380 00:17:07,058 --> 00:17:07,990 2,000? 381 00:17:07,992 --> 00:17:10,459 Yes, not all from violence. 382 00:17:10,461 --> 00:17:12,929 That's a lot of dead people in one spot. 383 00:17:12,931 --> 00:17:15,664 So, you said there was over 5,000 inmates here, 384 00:17:15,666 --> 00:17:17,399 anybody I might have known of? 385 00:17:17,401 --> 00:17:19,001 Yes. 386 00:17:19,003 --> 00:17:21,404 Probably our most infamous inmate was James Earl Ray 387 00:17:21,406 --> 00:17:24,340 and there's a photograph of him. 388 00:17:24,342 --> 00:17:27,075 He escaped from here in April of 1967, 389 00:17:27,077 --> 00:17:30,413 he killed Dr. King in April of '68. 390 00:17:30,415 --> 00:17:32,882 Alright, so I know Missouri has the death penalty. 391 00:17:32,884 --> 00:17:35,083 Was there any executions right here in this prison? 392 00:17:35,085 --> 00:17:40,822 Yes, there were a total of 39 by lethal gas 393 00:17:40,824 --> 00:17:44,026 and the very first one by lethal injection 394 00:17:44,028 --> 00:17:45,961 occurred here in 1989. 395 00:17:45,963 --> 00:17:47,563 Suffice it to say, 396 00:17:47,565 --> 00:17:50,832 47 bloodiest acres is pretty accurate. 397 00:17:50,834 --> 00:17:52,501 Pretty accurate, yes, sir. 398 00:17:58,509 --> 00:18:00,242 I am getting like a lot of screaming 399 00:18:00,244 --> 00:18:04,113 and yelling around here and it's all of these people. 400 00:18:04,115 --> 00:18:06,782 They seem really close and it doesn't 401 00:18:06,784 --> 00:18:08,451 feel like that long ago. 402 00:18:08,453 --> 00:18:10,786 There's a great deal of time 403 00:18:10,788 --> 00:18:15,057 where there's all of this chaos and fighting going on. 404 00:18:17,728 --> 00:18:23,265 But, you know, this is quite a few years of this 405 00:18:23,267 --> 00:18:26,535 and it seems like more men than women. 406 00:18:26,537 --> 00:18:28,003 They're bad, bad people. 407 00:18:32,276 --> 00:18:34,609 So far, I've got a family too freaked out 408 00:18:34,611 --> 00:18:36,479 to live in their own home on a property 409 00:18:36,481 --> 00:18:40,616 near an abandoned prison where about 2,000 people died. 410 00:18:40,618 --> 00:18:44,019 But I want to see if there's anything else. 411 00:18:44,021 --> 00:18:45,287 Searching through old records, 412 00:18:45,289 --> 00:18:47,356 I find a woman named Violet Ramsey, 413 00:18:47,358 --> 00:18:49,358 who owned property next to my clients 414 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:51,159 in the mid-1800's. 415 00:18:51,161 --> 00:18:55,364 Turns out, she was a freed slave. 416 00:18:55,366 --> 00:18:57,566 You know, it's pretty unusual for a freed slave 417 00:18:57,568 --> 00:18:59,502 to end up owning a bunch of land. 418 00:18:59,504 --> 00:19:01,103 So, I called a local historian 419 00:19:01,105 --> 00:19:02,704 and she looked into it for me. 420 00:19:02,706 --> 00:19:05,774 She says Violet Ramsey's story is amazing 421 00:19:05,776 --> 00:19:07,910 and definitely something I'm gonna want to know about. 422 00:19:15,453 --> 00:19:17,853 So Dr. Greene, I appreciate you meeting with me. 423 00:19:17,855 --> 00:19:19,454 This woman I came across in my research 424 00:19:19,456 --> 00:19:20,456 sounds pretty incredible. 425 00:19:20,458 --> 00:19:22,124 I mean, what can you tell me about her? 426 00:19:22,126 --> 00:19:25,794 Violet Ramsey was born in 1796 in Kentucky. 427 00:19:25,796 --> 00:19:28,397 She was brought to Missouri by her slave holder. 428 00:19:28,399 --> 00:19:31,667 By 1838, she's able to purchase her freedom. 429 00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:34,003 Six months later, she buys a house next 430 00:19:34,005 --> 00:19:36,539 to the property that you're investigating. 431 00:19:36,541 --> 00:19:37,806 Okay. 432 00:19:37,808 --> 00:19:40,342 To be able to do that was unusual. 433 00:19:40,344 --> 00:19:41,610 What happens next with her? 434 00:19:41,612 --> 00:19:45,014 For seven years, Violet works as a laundress 435 00:19:45,016 --> 00:19:48,150 and she is able to, in 1845, 436 00:19:48,152 --> 00:19:50,886 purchase the freedom of her husband, Elijah, 437 00:19:50,888 --> 00:19:53,622 and her youngest son, Josiah. 438 00:19:53,624 --> 00:19:55,891 10 years later, the three of them are able 439 00:19:55,893 --> 00:19:59,695 to purchase the freedom of her older son, Harrison. 440 00:19:59,697 --> 00:20:01,163 So now, they're all together. 441 00:20:01,165 --> 00:20:03,065 Do we know anything about the husband, Elijah? 442 00:20:03,067 --> 00:20:06,902 Yes, in the 1860 census, we know that Elijah 443 00:20:06,904 --> 00:20:09,905 was a teamster and a farmer 444 00:20:09,907 --> 00:20:14,109 and Violet is still listed as a laundress. 445 00:20:14,111 --> 00:20:15,377 Looking at this, though, 446 00:20:15,379 --> 00:20:18,380 it looks like they had quite a bit of assets. 447 00:20:18,382 --> 00:20:20,382 Yes, they never stopped working. 448 00:20:20,384 --> 00:20:23,252 They bought six additional plots of land 449 00:20:23,254 --> 00:20:25,321 in the neighborhood, so much so, 450 00:20:25,323 --> 00:20:28,323 that their children were able to donate 40 acres 451 00:20:28,325 --> 00:20:30,125 of land to Lincoln University, 452 00:20:30,127 --> 00:20:32,394 where I've taught for 22 years. 453 00:20:32,396 --> 00:20:34,663 So for a woman all on her own, 454 00:20:34,665 --> 00:20:36,065 she achieved quite a bit. 455 00:20:36,067 --> 00:20:37,600 Exactly. 456 00:20:37,602 --> 00:20:41,537 To amass the amount of land and personal property 457 00:20:41,539 --> 00:20:43,606 that she and her family amassed, 458 00:20:43,608 --> 00:20:46,208 that was, that was really phenomenal. 459 00:20:53,351 --> 00:20:57,486 So, it feels like this is where that man 460 00:20:57,488 --> 00:21:01,390 and his son who has brain damage stay. 461 00:21:03,627 --> 00:21:05,894 Any idea who the man was? 462 00:21:05,896 --> 00:21:10,633 I think he worked here at some point. 463 00:21:10,635 --> 00:21:12,901 A caretaker or some **** 464 00:21:12,903 --> 00:21:13,769 Did he live here? 465 00:21:13,771 --> 00:21:15,771 I think he did, yeah. 466 00:21:15,773 --> 00:21:17,906 I think he, like, just took care of everything, 467 00:21:17,908 --> 00:21:20,709 like the yard, the house. 468 00:21:20,711 --> 00:21:22,378 I think that you would feel sick 469 00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:24,713 in this room if you stayed in here for a while. 470 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,184 Weird. 471 00:21:34,659 --> 00:21:36,725 For more information about the show 472 00:21:36,727 --> 00:21:38,260 and if you need us to investigate 473 00:21:38,262 --> 00:21:40,128 unexplained activity in your home... 474 00:21:40,130 --> 00:21:43,666 Please visit travelchannel.com/thedeadfiles. 475 00:21:43,668 --> 00:21:45,534 Click on "Help me, Dead Files!" to submit your story, 476 00:21:45,536 --> 00:21:46,569 and we'll help if we can. 477 00:22:00,317 --> 00:22:02,384 Another thing caught my attention in research. 478 00:22:02,386 --> 00:22:04,452 A former owner of the property had to go 479 00:22:04,454 --> 00:22:07,255 to the funerals of four of his own children. 480 00:22:07,257 --> 00:22:09,257 So, I called up a local genealogist, 481 00:22:09,259 --> 00:22:11,259 who's helped me on another case 482 00:22:11,261 --> 00:22:13,395 and she says losing the kids was just 483 00:22:13,397 --> 00:22:14,930 the start of this guy's troubles. 484 00:22:21,205 --> 00:22:22,470 Well, Mary, it's good to see you again. 485 00:22:22,472 --> 00:22:23,939 I appreciate you helping me out with this. 486 00:22:23,941 --> 00:22:25,339 So you mentioned on the phone, 487 00:22:25,341 --> 00:22:27,209 this guy had a pretty tragic life 488 00:22:27,211 --> 00:22:29,076 with losing four kids. 489 00:22:29,078 --> 00:22:30,211 Before we even get to that, 490 00:22:30,213 --> 00:22:31,480 do you know anything about him? 491 00:22:31,482 --> 00:22:32,814 Yes, I have a picture of him. 492 00:22:32,816 --> 00:22:35,050 His name was Phillip Thomas Miller. 493 00:22:36,686 --> 00:22:38,954 He was a store owner originally, 494 00:22:38,956 --> 00:22:43,024 but then he became warden of the state penitentiary. 495 00:22:43,026 --> 00:22:44,626 You know, Mary, I'm not sure if you're aware or not, 496 00:22:44,628 --> 00:22:46,427 but my client's house is right there. 497 00:22:46,429 --> 00:22:48,496 That red-brick building on the right. 498 00:22:48,498 --> 00:22:50,431 Do we know when he acquired the property here? 499 00:22:50,433 --> 00:22:54,102 He acquired the property about 1859 500 00:22:54,104 --> 00:22:57,372 and then he moved his wife and young family there. 501 00:22:57,374 --> 00:22:59,507 I do have this picture of her. 502 00:23:03,246 --> 00:23:04,246 You told me on the phone, 503 00:23:04,248 --> 00:23:05,647 he buried four of his children. 504 00:23:05,649 --> 00:23:06,714 Yes. 505 00:23:06,716 --> 00:23:07,716 Okay, what's the story with that? 506 00:23:07,718 --> 00:23:09,518 Two of them died as infants, 507 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,053 then he lost his daughter Mattie 508 00:23:12,055 --> 00:23:13,855 at age 23 of meningitis. 509 00:23:13,857 --> 00:23:16,158 I have an article here about that. 510 00:23:18,328 --> 00:23:20,395 So that's three, what's the four? 511 00:23:20,397 --> 00:23:22,797 His son died at the age of 41. 512 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:24,866 Okay, do we know from what? 513 00:23:24,868 --> 00:23:26,468 We're not exactly sure. 514 00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:27,669 Right, now, you mentioned on the phone 515 00:23:27,671 --> 00:23:29,403 that after the kids all died, 516 00:23:29,405 --> 00:23:31,339 that he still had more troubles, what happened? 517 00:23:31,341 --> 00:23:37,678 Phillip was in debt to the tune of $644 in 1878. 518 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,681 That's about $16,000 in today's money. 519 00:23:39,683 --> 00:23:40,949 What does he do? 520 00:23:40,951 --> 00:23:44,152 He was forced to sell his property at a loss. 521 00:23:44,154 --> 00:23:46,221 Does he stay in the area? 522 00:23:46,223 --> 00:23:49,558 He does, he moves about 1,000 feet away 523 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,626 into a much smaller place. 524 00:23:51,628 --> 00:23:53,561 Okay, so things went downhill for this guy. 525 00:23:53,563 --> 00:23:54,495 Yes. 526 00:23:57,568 --> 00:24:01,903 I'm seeing this doctor, doctor, doctor guy. 527 00:24:01,905 --> 00:24:03,771 Was this guy actually a doctor? 528 00:24:03,773 --> 00:24:07,909 I was seeing some odd visuals. 529 00:24:07,911 --> 00:24:11,913 Bodies and him being, like, around these bodies. 530 00:24:14,651 --> 00:24:17,184 So, I was kind of thinking there's something 531 00:24:17,186 --> 00:24:19,387 with that maybe going on here. 532 00:24:19,389 --> 00:24:21,656 Do you have any idea what he wants with the living? 533 00:24:21,658 --> 00:24:24,859 When he was alive, he had a lot of things 534 00:24:24,861 --> 00:24:26,594 that he had to hide. 535 00:24:26,596 --> 00:24:32,200 He wasn't in a particularly powerful position. 536 00:24:32,202 --> 00:24:37,338 He was always in a very submissive kind of way 537 00:24:37,340 --> 00:24:40,642 and I think now he feels like he has a lot of power. 538 00:24:42,746 --> 00:24:45,447 And he can get away with doing what he wants to do. 539 00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:49,417 So, I think he's enjoying this. 540 00:24:50,887 --> 00:24:53,754 Okay, so now, Miller loses my client's property. 541 00:24:53,756 --> 00:24:55,290 What happens next? 542 00:24:55,292 --> 00:24:58,727 His daughter Louisa was very attached to the property. 543 00:25:00,897 --> 00:25:03,899 She spent about six years scraping together 544 00:25:03,901 --> 00:25:06,501 enough money to buy the property back. 545 00:25:06,503 --> 00:25:09,304 So in 1884, she did so. 546 00:25:09,306 --> 00:25:11,105 Does she move the old man back on the property? 547 00:25:11,107 --> 00:25:12,373 Yes, she does. 548 00:25:12,375 --> 00:25:14,642 Okay, so did things get better for them then? 549 00:25:14,644 --> 00:25:16,444 Not particularly. 550 00:25:16,446 --> 00:25:18,579 The same year she moved back to the property, 551 00:25:18,581 --> 00:25:20,782 she lost her 12-year-old daughter, Kelly, 552 00:25:20,784 --> 00:25:23,652 to mysterious circumstances. 553 00:25:23,654 --> 00:25:25,120 Now what? 554 00:25:25,122 --> 00:25:30,191 In 1894, she lost her father as well at age 75. 555 00:25:30,193 --> 00:25:31,292 Okay, so then he dies. 556 00:25:31,294 --> 00:25:32,193 Now, does he die on the property? 557 00:25:32,195 --> 00:25:33,461 Yes. 558 00:25:33,463 --> 00:25:34,729 I mean, this family's been through a lot. 559 00:25:34,731 --> 00:25:36,464 Does it ever get better for them? 560 00:25:36,466 --> 00:25:37,598 Not really. 561 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,868 In 1906, Louisa loses the property again 562 00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:43,071 and has to move next door. 563 00:25:43,073 --> 00:25:44,539 Whatever happened to her? 564 00:25:44,541 --> 00:25:47,075 Louisa actually lived to be 80 years old 565 00:25:47,077 --> 00:25:50,278 and she died on the property next to your clients 566 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,482 in 1926 of cerebral hemorrhage. 567 00:25:54,484 --> 00:25:56,684 You know, Mary, it says here she's a widow. 568 00:25:56,686 --> 00:25:58,019 Do we know anything about the husband? 569 00:25:58,021 --> 00:26:00,088 All we really know about him is that he died 570 00:26:00,090 --> 00:26:03,291 a couple years before her father lost the property. 571 00:26:03,293 --> 00:26:04,759 Well, it's a sad story to say the least. 572 00:26:04,761 --> 00:26:06,828 I mean, this family couldn't catch a break. 573 00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:11,966 I'm seeing an old lady, she's about 80. 574 00:26:14,971 --> 00:26:18,840 She's upset because her land is gone, 575 00:26:18,842 --> 00:26:20,975 she wants her land back. 576 00:26:25,115 --> 00:26:27,649 And she's just mad at me. 577 00:26:27,651 --> 00:26:29,250 I'm getting that she's a widow 578 00:26:29,252 --> 00:26:32,253 and her husband died when she was young. 579 00:26:32,255 --> 00:26:34,589 Do you have any idea when this was? 580 00:26:34,591 --> 00:26:37,993 She would have been born 581 00:26:37,995 --> 00:26:43,531 probably like, in the 18...50's. 582 00:26:43,533 --> 00:26:46,368 She's tough, she went through a lot of **** man. 583 00:26:48,071 --> 00:26:50,405 So, she thinks like, that she's cursed 584 00:26:50,407 --> 00:26:52,740 or this place is cursed. 585 00:27:01,684 --> 00:27:04,018 I saw several disturbing things on my walk, 586 00:27:04,020 --> 00:27:06,020 but one thing stood out. 587 00:27:06,022 --> 00:27:07,622 The guy who seemed like a doctor, 588 00:27:07,624 --> 00:27:10,758 attacking a living woman, has me really worried. 589 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,196 He had on, like, round glasses. 590 00:27:16,366 --> 00:27:18,165 Deep-set eyes. 591 00:27:18,167 --> 00:27:21,503 He had a long, thin nose. 592 00:27:21,505 --> 00:27:23,972 Maybe it's a little bit shorter. 593 00:27:29,980 --> 00:27:32,246 Amy, is this who you saw? 594 00:27:32,248 --> 00:27:33,214 Yes. 595 00:27:59,141 --> 00:28:00,607 Now that Amy and I 596 00:28:00,609 --> 00:28:02,743 have completed our investigations, 597 00:28:02,745 --> 00:28:04,745 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 598 00:28:04,747 --> 00:28:07,948 and our clients for the first time. 599 00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:11,418 So, Amy, this is a pretty unusual case 600 00:28:11,420 --> 00:28:13,754 because no one lives in this beautiful house right now. 601 00:28:13,756 --> 00:28:15,822 Things got so bad here 602 00:28:15,824 --> 00:28:18,892 that these guys grabbed their two kids and left. 603 00:28:18,894 --> 00:28:20,827 Now, this is Erin and her husband, 604 00:28:20,829 --> 00:28:22,629 who's also named Aaron. 605 00:28:22,631 --> 00:28:26,166 I have a photo of their two beautiful kids -- 606 00:28:26,168 --> 00:28:28,502 their 7-year-old daughter, Reina, 607 00:28:28,504 --> 00:28:31,105 and this is their 3- year-old, Titus. 608 00:28:31,107 --> 00:28:33,107 Now, these guys are stuck. 609 00:28:33,109 --> 00:28:35,375 Can't afford to let this place sit empty, 610 00:28:35,377 --> 00:28:39,245 but they don't think it's safe for anybody else to live here. 611 00:28:39,247 --> 00:28:40,647 So now that Amy knows a little bit about you guys, 612 00:28:40,649 --> 00:28:42,382 she'll describe her walk for us. 613 00:28:45,588 --> 00:28:48,721 When I got here, it was just layers and layers 614 00:28:48,723 --> 00:28:51,325 and layers of residual information. 615 00:28:51,327 --> 00:28:54,261 I saw a lot of different time periods. 616 00:28:54,263 --> 00:28:56,597 I was hearing a lot of screaming and yelling. 617 00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:00,267 Seemed like a lot of these people 618 00:29:00,269 --> 00:29:02,269 didn't really belong here. 619 00:29:02,271 --> 00:29:03,470 I saw fighting. 620 00:29:03,472 --> 00:29:06,940 I just felt an extreme amount of hate. 621 00:29:06,942 --> 00:29:10,944 I felt like this type of residual energy 622 00:29:10,946 --> 00:29:16,416 would create feelings of despair or depression. 623 00:29:16,418 --> 00:29:18,218 Either one of you guys ever feel that way 624 00:29:18,220 --> 00:29:19,285 while you were living here? 625 00:29:19,287 --> 00:29:22,622 I did. I would stay in bed for days. 626 00:29:22,624 --> 00:29:25,092 She was going to bed 4:30, 5:00 in the afternoon. 627 00:29:25,094 --> 00:29:26,359 It was crazy, I had never seen anything 628 00:29:26,361 --> 00:29:28,362 with her especially like it. 629 00:29:28,364 --> 00:29:30,697 Now, she mentioned violence 630 00:29:30,699 --> 00:29:33,633 and people who didn't seem like they belonged here. 631 00:29:33,635 --> 00:29:36,169 I thought of the jail right away, the prison. 632 00:29:36,171 --> 00:29:37,638 Matter of fact, when you stand in front 633 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,173 of one of your porches, you could actually see it from here. 634 00:29:40,175 --> 00:29:41,441 So the Missouri State Penitentiary, 635 00:29:41,443 --> 00:29:42,709 I'm sure you guys are aware of it, 636 00:29:42,711 --> 00:29:46,647 opened up in 1836, closed in 2004. 637 00:29:46,649 --> 00:29:48,448 So I actually have a picture of the prison 638 00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:51,518 at the turn of the century. 639 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,520 I spoke to the prison's last deputy warden 640 00:29:54,522 --> 00:29:56,856 and he says the place was trouble from day one. 641 00:29:58,393 --> 00:30:00,394 There were four major riots that happened at this prison. 642 00:30:00,396 --> 00:30:02,262 The worst one was in 1954. 643 00:30:02,264 --> 00:30:05,265 Left four inmates dead and millions of dollars worth 644 00:30:05,267 --> 00:30:08,201 of damage to the prison itself. 645 00:30:08,203 --> 00:30:09,403 They burned it. Yeah. 646 00:30:09,405 --> 00:30:10,803 That's -- Okay, got it. 647 00:30:10,805 --> 00:30:13,874 Now, in the time that the prison was operating, 648 00:30:13,876 --> 00:30:17,010 over 2,000 prisoners passed away there. 649 00:30:17,012 --> 00:30:18,946 Wow. 650 00:30:23,485 --> 00:30:26,219 So the first individual that I came across 651 00:30:26,221 --> 00:30:30,490 is a deceased teenager about 14 years of age 652 00:30:30,492 --> 00:30:34,962 and I am concerned about him for many different reasons, 653 00:30:34,964 --> 00:30:38,899 but one is that he is brain damaged. 654 00:30:38,901 --> 00:30:42,302 He is here with his father, who I believe 655 00:30:42,304 --> 00:30:46,173 was some kind of caretaker for the house, the property. 656 00:30:46,175 --> 00:30:49,642 Looking at them, I'm thinking maybe back to the 1930s. 657 00:30:49,644 --> 00:30:52,112 The man and his son currently spend 658 00:30:52,114 --> 00:30:55,182 most of their time in the attic. 659 00:30:55,184 --> 00:30:59,519 When he feels like he's not being paid attention to 660 00:30:59,521 --> 00:31:04,524 or recognized, he tends to slip out. 661 00:31:04,526 --> 00:31:10,130 Like he'll stomp around, yelling, throwing things. 662 00:31:10,132 --> 00:31:11,698 Well, I didn't come across any brain-damaged kids 663 00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:14,734 in research, but you said he has fits up in the attic, 664 00:31:14,736 --> 00:31:17,403 throwing things. 665 00:31:17,405 --> 00:31:20,540 Every night, I'd hear what I would describe, 666 00:31:20,542 --> 00:31:22,609 somebody dropping a box 667 00:31:22,611 --> 00:31:24,944 and then getting angry and kicking it across the room. 668 00:31:24,946 --> 00:31:27,748 It would be over my bed where the attic is. 669 00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:29,750 Interesting, interesting. 670 00:31:29,752 --> 00:31:34,755 He can become physical with living people. 671 00:31:34,757 --> 00:31:39,559 I saw him punching a living person in the stomach 672 00:31:39,561 --> 00:31:41,228 to get their attention. 673 00:31:41,230 --> 00:31:44,698 Now, Aaron, I want you to talk to Amy about 674 00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:46,166 the kid jumping on your -- 675 00:31:46,168 --> 00:31:47,500 what you described as a kid jumping on your back. 676 00:31:47,502 --> 00:31:49,970 In the basement, I'd feel heavy 677 00:31:49,972 --> 00:31:53,439 almost as though someone's jumping on my back. 678 00:31:53,441 --> 00:31:54,640 Once I leave that room, 679 00:31:54,642 --> 00:31:57,644 it was like a weight lifted off my shoulders. 680 00:32:00,449 --> 00:32:02,516 The next deceased person I encountered 681 00:32:02,518 --> 00:32:06,720 was an older lady, who was probably in her 80s. 682 00:32:06,722 --> 00:32:09,389 I think she lived and died here. 683 00:32:09,391 --> 00:32:11,858 I think she died around the '30s, 1930s. 684 00:32:11,860 --> 00:32:19,333 She experienced and went through a lot of **** in her life. 685 00:32:19,335 --> 00:32:22,536 Kept referring to her as the widow, so I'm like, "Okay, 686 00:32:22,538 --> 00:32:25,605 so she probably lost a loved one, probably her husband." 687 00:32:25,607 --> 00:32:27,807 The thing she was really worked up about 688 00:32:27,809 --> 00:32:30,410 was the property, the land. 689 00:32:30,412 --> 00:32:34,814 She told me she lost it and she wants it back really bad. 690 00:32:34,816 --> 00:32:38,618 There was also an indication of nightmare activity 691 00:32:38,620 --> 00:32:40,620 with her specifically. 692 00:32:40,622 --> 00:32:42,222 Yeah, I had nightmares all the time. 693 00:32:42,224 --> 00:32:45,358 I had a nightmare about an old woman 694 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,295 who, on a set of stairs that were curved, 695 00:32:49,297 --> 00:32:50,897 she was in a nightgown 696 00:32:50,899 --> 00:32:53,566 and she killed a baby on the stairs. 697 00:32:53,568 --> 00:32:56,770 Now, you told me your daughter has nightmares, right? 698 00:32:56,772 --> 00:32:58,104 Yes. 699 00:32:58,106 --> 00:32:59,306 Can you tell Amy? 700 00:32:59,308 --> 00:33:01,041 My daughter was sleepwalking a lot. 701 00:33:01,043 --> 00:33:03,843 I guess I would call like a possession. 702 00:33:03,845 --> 00:33:05,178 Head tilted, wide-eyed, 703 00:33:05,180 --> 00:33:07,047 and she would walk and she would talk 704 00:33:07,049 --> 00:33:10,850 and do creepy smiles and creepy laughs. 705 00:33:10,852 --> 00:33:11,918 This is what kind of brought them 706 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,120 to moving the hell out of here. 707 00:33:13,122 --> 00:33:15,788 Erin, tell Amy what the final straw was. 708 00:33:15,790 --> 00:33:16,989 Reina was sitting in the bathtub 709 00:33:16,991 --> 00:33:18,991 and she literally looked over at me and said, 710 00:33:18,993 --> 00:33:20,126 "Mommy, what would happen 711 00:33:20,128 --> 00:33:22,595 if I threw my baby brother out the window?" 712 00:33:22,597 --> 00:33:23,796 And I said, "We don't joke about that 713 00:33:23,798 --> 00:33:25,132 and we don't talk about that," 714 00:33:25,134 --> 00:33:26,466 and then she started crying a couple minutes later 715 00:33:26,468 --> 00:33:27,868 and she said, "Mommy, I did not say that. 716 00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:30,270 I would never say that. My brain told me to say that." 717 00:33:30,272 --> 00:33:32,539 Wow. 718 00:33:32,541 --> 00:33:35,208 I got a pretty good idea of who you might've seen. 719 00:33:35,210 --> 00:33:38,211 Now, there was a woman named Louisa Miller. 720 00:33:38,213 --> 00:33:41,815 She was born on the property next door to here in 1845 721 00:33:41,817 --> 00:33:44,684 and moved on to this property in 1859. 722 00:33:44,686 --> 00:33:49,088 Now, in 1876, her husband died suddenly of unknown causes. 723 00:33:49,090 --> 00:33:52,425 So when you mentioned the widow thing, it made sense. 724 00:33:52,427 --> 00:33:55,362 Two years later, her father got himself buried in debt 725 00:33:55,364 --> 00:33:58,031 and the family had to sell the property to cover the bills. 726 00:33:58,033 --> 00:33:59,966 So the genealogist I spoke to 727 00:33:59,968 --> 00:34:01,968 said that Louisa was really broken up 728 00:34:01,970 --> 00:34:05,037 about losing this property and she spent the next six years 729 00:34:05,039 --> 00:34:07,507 scraping together money and in 1884, 730 00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:08,842 she managed to buy it back. 731 00:34:08,844 --> 00:34:10,710 But the good times didn't last. 732 00:34:10,712 --> 00:34:13,045 She got back into debt and lost the property 733 00:34:13,047 --> 00:34:14,915 a second time in 1906. 734 00:34:14,917 --> 00:34:16,649 She ended up having to buy a cabin 735 00:34:16,651 --> 00:34:18,451 on the property next door. 736 00:34:18,453 --> 00:34:23,389 She wound up dying of a cerebral hemorrhage in 1926. 737 00:34:23,391 --> 00:34:25,324 And she was 80 years old. 738 00:34:25,326 --> 00:34:28,728 Now, I was actually able to get a photo of her. 739 00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:30,063 And this is her when she was younger. 740 00:34:33,268 --> 00:34:36,870 Could this be the person influencing Reina? 741 00:34:36,872 --> 00:34:39,105 Yeah, I think so. 742 00:34:40,876 --> 00:34:43,877 And Reina's open to being influenced 743 00:34:43,879 --> 00:34:45,479 because she's a medium. 744 00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:51,818 I mean, you know, this makes me sad. 745 00:34:53,622 --> 00:34:55,154 I just feel for my daughter. 746 00:34:55,156 --> 00:34:57,891 I mean, she said, I don't want that to happen with her 747 00:34:57,893 --> 00:34:59,426 for the rest of her life. 748 00:34:59,428 --> 00:35:00,560 I mean, as a father, I can't -- 749 00:35:00,562 --> 00:35:01,627 what do I do with that? 750 00:35:01,629 --> 00:35:05,097 You know, it just drives me crazy. 751 00:35:05,099 --> 00:35:08,434 I'm reaching anxiety, and my anxiety is like a 14. 752 00:35:13,708 --> 00:35:15,441 So far, you've seen a lot in this place. 753 00:35:15,443 --> 00:35:16,976 Anything else? 754 00:35:16,978 --> 00:35:19,312 The other deceased person that I encountered 755 00:35:19,314 --> 00:35:22,182 is a male, who I really don't like. 756 00:35:22,184 --> 00:35:25,385 I mean, I don't like this guy. 757 00:35:25,387 --> 00:35:28,922 Did not want me here. 758 00:35:28,924 --> 00:35:30,056 **** 759 00:35:30,058 --> 00:35:32,592 That was weird. 760 00:35:32,594 --> 00:35:37,196 Like I got a physical push back on, like, my shoulder. 761 00:35:37,198 --> 00:35:39,665 He was showing me himself initially 762 00:35:39,667 --> 00:35:41,067 like in his 30s or 40s. 763 00:35:41,069 --> 00:35:43,803 Maybe this is the widow's husband. 764 00:35:43,805 --> 00:35:45,272 I couldn't be sure. 765 00:35:45,274 --> 00:35:49,075 He's extremely stressed out, very worried about money 766 00:35:49,077 --> 00:35:51,811 and freaking out about the banks 767 00:35:51,813 --> 00:35:56,149 and the thing that really stood out to me about him 768 00:35:56,151 --> 00:35:59,619 was that he kept showing me himself 769 00:35:59,621 --> 00:36:01,888 as, like, some kind of doctor. 770 00:36:01,890 --> 00:36:03,422 Was kind of confused by that 771 00:36:03,424 --> 00:36:08,027 because I kind of saw him with a lot of dead bodies. 772 00:36:08,029 --> 00:36:10,763 You know, a few things you're saying are reminding me 773 00:36:10,765 --> 00:36:15,968 not of Louisa Miller's husband, but of her father. 774 00:36:15,970 --> 00:36:18,038 Now, his name was Philip Thomas Miller. 775 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,239 So he bought this property in 1859. 776 00:36:20,241 --> 00:36:22,509 He was 41 at the time he bought it. 777 00:36:22,511 --> 00:36:24,043 The thing that caught my attention 778 00:36:24,045 --> 00:36:25,912 was the bodies you mentioned 779 00:36:25,914 --> 00:36:27,447 because Miller was the warden at the prison 780 00:36:27,449 --> 00:36:30,250 down the street back in the 1860s. 781 00:36:30,252 --> 00:36:31,784 **** 782 00:36:31,786 --> 00:36:34,521 So talking about all the dead bodies that happened there. 783 00:36:34,523 --> 00:36:36,589 Now, we don't know how many died under his watch, 784 00:36:36,591 --> 00:36:40,727 but he got into financial trouble in 1878 785 00:36:40,729 --> 00:36:44,464 and the bank took the property away from him. 786 00:36:44,466 --> 00:36:48,601 I got a photo of Miller, but it was later on in life. 787 00:36:48,603 --> 00:36:51,004 Interesting. 788 00:36:51,006 --> 00:36:52,872 So do you think that's who you saw or you're not sure? 789 00:36:52,874 --> 00:36:55,474 I think so, yeah. 790 00:36:55,476 --> 00:36:57,610 The thing with him is that he doesn't want 791 00:36:57,612 --> 00:37:00,880 anybody here at all. 792 00:37:00,882 --> 00:37:04,417 He wants living people to be intimidated and scared. 793 00:37:04,419 --> 00:37:05,952 He's very physical, 794 00:37:05,954 --> 00:37:09,155 so I think you would be able to see him at times. 795 00:37:09,157 --> 00:37:12,825 So I was thinking like dark clothes, dark suits. 796 00:37:12,827 --> 00:37:14,427 I was standing in my daughter's bedroom 797 00:37:14,429 --> 00:37:17,831 and I saw an apparition of a man with a top hat on 798 00:37:17,833 --> 00:37:21,167 and he had an old-fashioned black jacket. 799 00:37:21,169 --> 00:37:24,237 That looks a lot like the guy. 800 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:30,109 I saw him touching men in unusual ways with women. 801 00:37:30,111 --> 00:37:33,313 What I saw him doing was attempting to smother them, 802 00:37:33,315 --> 00:37:34,981 getting up in their faces. 803 00:37:34,983 --> 00:37:38,251 What I did see him doing as well was... 804 00:37:38,253 --> 00:37:39,785 I'm being charged by this thing. 805 00:37:39,787 --> 00:37:41,253 I don't know what the **** it is. 806 00:37:41,255 --> 00:37:42,988 What are they seeing? 807 00:37:42,990 --> 00:37:46,992 More of like a black ball thing, but, like, fast. 808 00:37:46,994 --> 00:37:48,728 They're and it's in their face, 809 00:37:48,730 --> 00:37:51,131 you know, like freaking them out. 810 00:37:51,133 --> 00:37:53,866 And I did have a sketch done of what I saw. 811 00:38:03,478 --> 00:38:05,611 My God. That makes me want to puke. 812 00:38:05,613 --> 00:38:08,481 **** 813 00:38:15,691 --> 00:38:18,691 This happened to me twice. 814 00:38:18,693 --> 00:38:20,359 And this big black ball 815 00:38:20,361 --> 00:38:22,895 or black thing hovered on top of me 816 00:38:22,897 --> 00:38:24,164 and it was smothering me. 817 00:38:24,166 --> 00:38:25,765 Like I couldn't move, I couldn't breathe, 818 00:38:25,767 --> 00:38:28,568 I couldn't scream, I couldn't cry out. 819 00:38:28,570 --> 00:38:29,836 This sketch blows my mind. 820 00:38:29,838 --> 00:38:33,173 She painted this picture, almost like I was there 821 00:38:33,175 --> 00:38:34,574 and then you had this drawn. 822 00:38:34,576 --> 00:38:35,975 It's just, it's incredible. 823 00:38:35,977 --> 00:38:40,646 I don't know what to think, I really don't. 824 00:38:40,648 --> 00:38:41,915 Alright, so what's the threat? 825 00:38:41,917 --> 00:38:43,582 What if they didn't call us, what happens? 826 00:38:43,584 --> 00:38:47,053 Honestly, he could more than likely kill you. 827 00:38:48,657 --> 00:38:53,592 Probably a good thing you guys left when you did. 828 00:38:53,594 --> 00:38:56,396 It's a lot to take in. I mean, it really is. 829 00:38:56,398 --> 00:38:57,663 I was nervous that 830 00:38:57,665 --> 00:39:00,533 it was going to be worse than what we thought 831 00:39:00,535 --> 00:39:01,934 and it is. 832 00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:27,259 Alright, guys, so now we know what's in this house. 833 00:39:27,261 --> 00:39:31,997 What was attacking you in bed, what was jumping on you, 834 00:39:31,999 --> 00:39:34,066 and most of all, what was influencing Reina. 835 00:39:34,068 --> 00:39:36,268 But we still haven't answered the big question. 836 00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:37,870 Can you make this house safe enough 837 00:39:37,872 --> 00:39:41,006 for you to sell to another family? 838 00:39:41,008 --> 00:39:42,941 For that question, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 839 00:39:46,814 --> 00:39:50,282 The first person that needs to be dealt with 840 00:39:50,284 --> 00:39:52,618 is the "doctor." 841 00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:54,020 The people that need to do this 842 00:39:54,022 --> 00:39:57,489 is a male and a female medium. 843 00:39:57,491 --> 00:39:59,625 They need to be in the age range 844 00:39:59,627 --> 00:40:04,297 of 40 to 50 years of age in good physical health. 845 00:40:04,299 --> 00:40:08,767 They need to come together as a team and at the same time, 846 00:40:08,769 --> 00:40:14,573 they need to engage this deceased male and move him on. 847 00:40:14,575 --> 00:40:17,309 Why so specific about age and condition? 848 00:40:17,311 --> 00:40:20,646 If we're leaning towards younger, 849 00:40:20,648 --> 00:40:22,848 he sees that as weakness. 850 00:40:22,850 --> 00:40:24,116 And if we're going older, 851 00:40:24,118 --> 00:40:27,319 he also perceives that as a weakness. 852 00:40:27,321 --> 00:40:32,391 The second person that needs to be dealt with is the widow. 853 00:40:32,393 --> 00:40:35,660 The male medium, he needs to engage with her 854 00:40:35,662 --> 00:40:37,730 and move her on. 855 00:40:37,732 --> 00:40:40,599 I feel like she will bow down to a male 856 00:40:40,601 --> 00:40:43,101 giving her this directive. 857 00:40:43,103 --> 00:40:49,275 The third is the father and son in the attic. 858 00:40:49,277 --> 00:40:53,078 This medium needs to be more of a grandmother, 859 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,349 nurturing type of personality, in her 60s. 860 00:40:57,351 --> 00:40:58,351 Why a motherly type? 861 00:40:58,353 --> 00:40:59,952 Because of the situation with the kid? 862 00:40:59,954 --> 00:41:05,824 Yes, yes, and he'll be calm with this kind of personality. 863 00:41:05,826 --> 00:41:08,894 Okay, so what can they do as far as Reina's abilities? 864 00:41:08,896 --> 00:41:12,698 You need to set up barriers to keep the random dead away. 865 00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:15,768 She's gonna need a lot of learning. 866 00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:18,303 When is it okay to talk to the dead? 867 00:41:18,305 --> 00:41:21,039 So it's a process, really. 868 00:41:21,041 --> 00:41:22,240 Right. 869 00:41:22,242 --> 00:41:26,445 This is a doable fix. 870 00:41:26,447 --> 00:41:29,381 Would you consider moving back in? 871 00:41:29,383 --> 00:41:31,183 I- I can't do it. 872 00:41:31,185 --> 00:41:32,718 That's understandable, you know, 873 00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:34,987 why go back into a combat zone if you don't have to, right? 874 00:41:34,989 --> 00:41:37,656 Yes. I just can't. 875 00:41:37,658 --> 00:41:39,124 My family's more important to me. 876 00:41:39,126 --> 00:41:41,260 Right, so are you guys gonna follow Amy's advice 877 00:41:41,262 --> 00:41:43,728 and do what she says so you can safely sell this house 878 00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:47,066 to someone else? Yeah. 879 00:41:47,068 --> 00:41:50,403 100%. I love having a plan. 880 00:41:50,405 --> 00:41:52,671 I'm just really happy that we have solutions. 881 00:41:52,673 --> 00:41:57,142 I mean, the questions I had were answered. 882 00:41:57,144 --> 00:41:58,877 It's going to take a lot of work, 883 00:41:58,879 --> 00:42:01,213 but if these guys follow my advice, 884 00:42:01,215 --> 00:42:02,615 they can move on the dead, 885 00:42:02,617 --> 00:42:05,484 making it safe to sell to someone new. 886 00:42:08,689 --> 00:42:11,690 We have been in contact with a medium 887 00:42:11,692 --> 00:42:13,158 that actually has been in the house. 888 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,762 And he is in the process of clearing the home. 889 00:42:16,764 --> 00:42:19,231 Reina and I, we've had a really good couple of months. 890 00:42:19,233 --> 00:42:21,567 We haven't had anything in our new house. 891 00:42:21,569 --> 00:42:23,635 In fact, the other day, she said she's grateful 892 00:42:23,637 --> 00:42:26,372 that she doesn't have anything scary in her closet anymore. 893 00:42:26,374 --> 00:42:28,573 So anyways, we're really appreciative of you guys. 894 00:42:28,575 --> 00:42:29,775 Thank you, guys. 895 00:42:29,825 --> 00:42:34,375 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 68043

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