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The dead guy
comes in here a lot.
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He's gaining strength.
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I felt two hands push me
into the stairs.
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He's hanging out with his kid.
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He scratch.
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He goes under the bed,
pushing on the bed.
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This is serial killer
mentality.
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This is incredibly dangerous.
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I don't like this.
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And I just feel...fear.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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This is like Grand Central
Station for the dead.
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I see dead people.
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They have pain
that they suffered.
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I speak to dead people.
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She hates them, hates them.
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And they speak to me.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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It's a demon.
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It's Satan.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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What was the body count?
What happened?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I don't know if it's
a demon or not,
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but it sure as hell
looks like one.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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I feel like I'm crazy.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation...
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...until the very end.
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I want to show you this.
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...when we uncover
if it's safe for you to stay...
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I just don't want anything
to happen to my mother.
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Or time to get out.
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You have to get out.
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I'm up here
in Tonawanda, New York.
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It's just outside of Buffalo.
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I got a call from a woman
named Kerrie.
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Now, she's had activity
in her house forever.
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She's used to it, but a few
months ago all hell broke loose.
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She says it's getting worse by
the day, and if we can't help,
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someone's going
to get badly hurt.
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Before Amy arrives, I look
for any leading information.
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This home has a lot of family
photographs and furniture
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that could influence
her findings,
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so it's important that I cover
or remove them all.
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When I'm done, the location will
be ready for tonight's walk.
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I don't like this.
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Immediately coming in here,
I'm getting, like, head pain...
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This hurts.
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...feeling extremely sad,
a lot of depression,
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a lot of depression here.
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It's, like, never-ending.
That makes me nervous.
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So, Kerrie,
when we spoke on the phone,
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it sounded to me like you're
at the end of your rope.
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What's going on
in this house?
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The activity is crazy.
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As a mom, I should be able
to protect my children
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and my granddaughter,
and I feel like I can't do that.
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Okay.
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Any information
about the house
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that you might know,
any history?
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We were told the previous owner
had passed away in the home.
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Her name was Verna.
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Interesting. Okay.
I'll look into that.
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You've been here a while,
right?
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Yes, since '98.
I remember you saying
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that you've always
had activity, right? Yes, yes.
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It was small things,
like you would maybe
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hear a little bit
of walking or something.
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Well, what changed?
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My daughter and granddaughter
moved back in
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about 2 months ago,
and it's been unbearable.
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It's every single day.
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Now, who all lives
in the house with you?
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- It is my husband, Tom.
- Okay.
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That's myself,
our granddaughter, Bella,
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and that's
our daughter, Kayli.
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And how old is Bella now?
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She's 31/2.
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Okay.
I have a son, Keenan.
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He actually lived here,
but he had to leave.
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He couldn't take it anymore.
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He left because of
the activity?
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- Yes.
- Do me a favor.
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Give me a list of what
is going on in the house.
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We hear voices.
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Things are moving, shadow
figures, physical attacks.
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My health issues have been
getting worse.
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Anything specific?
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Well, I've always had epilepsy,
but since the last 4 years,
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the seizures have been
getting out of control.
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I assume you're seeing doctors
about your physical problems.
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- Yes.
- So what are they telling you?
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They're at their wit's end.
They don't know what's going on,
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and I really do feel
like someone
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or something
is trying to kill me
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or seriously injury me slowly,
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and then if I die, like,
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then it's going to
move on to Bella.
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Okay.
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Shh.
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There's an older dead woman
here who's pissed off.
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She's very upset.
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I think she might be causing
a lot of problems here.
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There's a dead male here,
too.
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He just reminds me of somebody
who would drive a truck.
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I think that he comes out here
to, like, escape the chaos.
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He was saying that this has
been going on for a while
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and that it's been
getting worse.
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Do you know if the living
have any experiences with him?
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I think that they have
seen him.
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I think that they're
catching him
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out of the corner of their eye
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when he's, you know,
walking out or walking back in.
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Okay, so what's going on
in this room?
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I was sitting here
on this love seat,
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and I seen a reflection
in the china closet,
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in the glass, of a man,
like a shadow figure.
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Okay. Did you investigate?
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Yes, I got up, and I went,
and no one was in the house.
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And how often
does that happen?
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I would say it's probably
happened at least
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six times in a year.
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Anything else?
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The stairs are a big problem
here in the house.
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I was coming up the staircase,
like from doing laundry,
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and when I turned
to come up the stairs,
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I felt, like, a rush
come up behind me,
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and then I felt two hands push
me actually into the stairs.
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Okay.
Did you get hurt?
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No, I caught myself
on the stairs.
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A lot of issues
with the stairs.
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For a very long time,
they've been a problem.
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Okay, imprint, residual,
I'm getting somebody, a female,
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running down the stairs,
yelling and screaming,
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"My God."
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Trying to find somebody,
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somebody who's down here
who's in trouble.
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This residual's very...
tangible.
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If the living are exposed
to this,
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I think that they would feel
like kind of a pressure,
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and that might cause them
to have accidents.
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It's really bad.
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Okay, so what's
going on up here?
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One day, I was in Bella's room
rocking her to sleep,
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and I felt this scratch.
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So when this scratch occurred,
how'd it feel to you?
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Like a burn.
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After I had the scratch,
that's when I said, "That's it.
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Bella's not sleeping
in here anymore."
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As you can see, we have,
like, a little bed
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over here for Bella.
I see that.
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She sleeps with us now
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just because the activity
has gotten so crazy.
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This is not good.
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Yeah.
Anything else?
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I would have to say the worst
thing that's happened to me
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is one night
we were laying in bed,
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and the next thing I knew,
I was literally being held down.
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I couldn't breathe.
I couldn't move.
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I couldn't do anything.
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All I kept thinking was,
"I'm going to die.
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They're finally killing me.
Like, they're killing me,
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and no one's
going to ever know."
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The person here, they are,
like, paralyzed,
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and they're panicked,
and they're freaking out.
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The old lady is the one
doing this.
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She does do stuff when she
gets frustrated and upset,
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so this person's
had nightmares,
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feeling like they're being
kind of stalked,
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oftentimes scared.
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So with all this crap
going on,
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how the hell are you
sleeping at night?
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I'm really not.
I have nightmares all the time.
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So I know you're on medication
for your illnesses.-
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Any of those medications
possibly causing hallucinations?
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No, that's not a side effect
of the medicines that I'm on.
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- Okay, so that's ruled out?
- Yes.
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Anyone else experiencing
nightmares like you?
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Bella actually has
night terrors,
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like really bad,
bad night terrors,
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and she will scream
her head off.
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Amy may turn around
and tell you,
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"Listen, this place
is too dangerous."
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This is our house,
and we'll do whatever to stay.
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The hallway is engulfed with
this thing, and it's all black.
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I don't like this.
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What the **** is this thing?
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All I know is that this dark
entity is very negative
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and very bad.
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It's feeding off of energy,
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which can wreck
the immune system.
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You know, things like that
are already occurring,
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and they could be susceptible
to all kinds of illnesses
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which could, you know,
land somebody
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in the hospital or worse.
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So, Keenan, I understand
you moved out recently
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because of
the paranormal activity.
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Mostly because of it, yes.
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Obviously,
if paranormal activity
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had a reason for you moving out,
you must have had experiences.
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Yes.
Okay, so let's talk about a couple of them.
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I mean, just always feeling
like I was being watched.
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I never felt, like, at ease.
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Like, I always had to look
over my shoulder.
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Like, "What's behind me?"
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What's that feel like
for you?
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Like, you know, you're
walking down the street,
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and people
are walking behind you.
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You're like, "What's going
to happen right now?"
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Okay, anything else?
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Well, for example,
Monday night when I left here,
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I went home
and just felt horrible,
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just like I got ran over
by a truck,
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just couldn't
really walk well.
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I just -- drained.
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When you were here that day,
how long were you here?
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Three hours.
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Just -- It was the worst
I've ever felt.
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I felt like a 90-year-old man.
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What do you think is going
on in this house?
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I mean, what's your opinion?
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I mean, there's definitely
some negative energy,
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something just
that doesn't belong.
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I don't like it
down here at all.
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This room is just filled
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with horrible, chaotic,
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stagnant energy.
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Like, you can't even breathe
in here.
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Like, it's making me
physically sick.
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Whoever's here in this room
is a sensitive.
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I would think a woman was here,
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but I'm getting a male
with this.
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A male in this space,
a living male,
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this person's hearing stuff
all the time, all the time.
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Could be a physical medium.
They're freaking themselves out.
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It's not good for them at all.
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Kayli, you know,
Mom called us in,
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and she's concerned
about your daughter, Bella.
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Yeah. It's not a good way for
your child to have a childhood.
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You know, Mom told me
about her experiences,
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but I'm curious
about yours.
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Have you had any?
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Yeah, I've had multiple
experiences in the house.
248
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I've seen shadow people.
249
00:12:29,114 --> 00:12:32,114
I've seen apparitions
of people.
250
00:12:32,116 --> 00:12:34,317
Now, anything specific
that stands out to you?
251
00:12:34,319 --> 00:12:37,320
I actually seen one
that looked like my dad.
252
00:12:37,322 --> 00:12:39,990
I was sleeping in one
of the downstairs rooms,
253
00:12:39,992 --> 00:12:42,992
and I thought I heard
talking and the door open.
254
00:12:42,994 --> 00:12:45,929
It looked like my dad standing
there, and he was talking to me,
255
00:12:45,931 --> 00:12:47,463
and when I opened
my eyes completely,
256
00:12:47,465 --> 00:12:49,065
there was nothing there,
and the door was shut.
257
00:12:49,067 --> 00:12:50,399
Where was your father?
258
00:12:50,401 --> 00:12:52,602
He was sleeping up here
in his room.
259
00:12:52,604 --> 00:12:55,538
It was just scary,
awful feeling.
260
00:12:55,540 --> 00:12:57,140
Anything else?
261
00:12:57,142 --> 00:12:59,142
When I'm sleeping in my room,
I hear a lot of,
262
00:12:59,144 --> 00:13:00,743
like,
knocking on my door,
263
00:13:00,745 --> 00:13:03,012
and I will go to open it,
and nobody will be there.
264
00:13:03,014 --> 00:13:04,214
Now, what kind of knocking
are we talking about?
265
00:13:04,216 --> 00:13:06,215
Like, a hard knock
or just like a...
266
00:13:06,217 --> 00:13:08,017
No. It would be kind of,
I guess,
267
00:13:08,019 --> 00:13:09,953
you would say like a kid
would be knocking.
268
00:13:09,955 --> 00:13:12,756
Okay, so are you thinking
maybe it's Bella?
269
00:13:12,758 --> 00:13:15,091
I have thought that before,
and when I open the door,
270
00:13:15,093 --> 00:13:16,692
nobody's there.
271
00:13:19,364 --> 00:13:23,032
This dark, negative entity
is making a lot of noise here.
272
00:13:23,034 --> 00:13:24,834
Can you describe the sounds
it's making in the hall?
273
00:13:24,836 --> 00:13:27,903
Man.
It just sounded like chaos.
274
00:13:30,909 --> 00:13:34,176
Taps on the walls, like,
knocking on the walls,
275
00:13:34,178 --> 00:13:35,578
bangs against the walls,
276
00:13:35,580 --> 00:13:38,181
like as if two people
were fighting in the hallway.
277
00:13:38,183 --> 00:13:40,250
That's what it sounds like.
278
00:13:41,652 --> 00:13:43,786
So, Kayli, when you're
talking to Bella,
279
00:13:43,788 --> 00:13:46,189
does she explain to you
what the hell's going on?
280
00:13:46,191 --> 00:13:49,925
She always talks about a little
boy that lives in her closet.
281
00:13:49,927 --> 00:13:51,194
Okay.
282
00:13:51,196 --> 00:13:53,730
I mean, do you think
she'd tell me what's going on?
283
00:13:53,732 --> 00:13:55,865
She might.
We could try.
284
00:13:55,867 --> 00:13:58,201
Bella, come here.
Come here, Belly.
285
00:13:58,203 --> 00:14:01,004
- Hiya, honey.
- Can you say hi?
286
00:14:01,006 --> 00:14:03,473
- Hi.
- Aw.
287
00:14:03,475 --> 00:14:06,743
Bella, Mommy tells me you see
a little boy in the closet here.
288
00:14:06,745 --> 00:14:09,446
Can you tell me
anything about him?
289
00:14:14,018 --> 00:14:16,686
Just a kid.
Does he scare you, honey?
290
00:14:16,688 --> 00:14:20,023
Yeah, because he scratch.
291
00:14:20,025 --> 00:14:21,290
He scratch?
292
00:14:21,292 --> 00:14:23,893
I don't want that
to scratch me.
293
00:14:23,895 --> 00:14:25,295
Yeah, of course not.
294
00:14:25,297 --> 00:14:27,163
We're going to try to get rid
of all the bad people here.
295
00:14:27,165 --> 00:14:29,365
Is that okay?
296
00:14:29,367 --> 00:14:30,766
Yeah.
297
00:14:30,768 --> 00:14:32,969
Yeah.
298
00:14:32,971 --> 00:14:35,772
So, Bella, do you mind
if I finish talking to Mommy?
299
00:14:35,774 --> 00:14:38,908
Can you go with Grandma?
That okay?
300
00:14:38,910 --> 00:14:41,578
Thank you, sweetheart.
Okay, go down.
301
00:14:41,580 --> 00:14:43,379
Okay.
Okay, go to Nonni.
302
00:14:43,381 --> 00:14:45,648
She's a very cute little girl.
Thank you.
303
00:14:45,650 --> 00:14:47,784
She mentioned something
about getting scratched. Yes.
304
00:14:47,786 --> 00:14:49,252
Have you seen that?
Yes.
305
00:14:49,254 --> 00:14:51,054
We actually have a photo of it
as well.
306
00:14:51,056 --> 00:14:53,923
- Do you have it with you?
- Yes, I do.
307
00:14:53,925 --> 00:14:55,057
Here it is.
308
00:14:57,462 --> 00:15:00,863
So it sounds like what Bella
is describing to you
309
00:15:00,865 --> 00:15:02,665
has got to be
eating you up inside.
310
00:15:02,667 --> 00:15:04,134
Yeah.
It scares me.
311
00:15:04,136 --> 00:15:05,601
It's like you're stuck
in a horror movie,
312
00:15:05,603 --> 00:15:07,537
but you don't know the ending.
313
00:15:07,539 --> 00:15:08,671
Okay.
314
00:15:11,009 --> 00:15:14,177
Unh-unh.
No, I don't like this.
315
00:15:16,414 --> 00:15:20,216
I see a little boy in here,
like full-on,
316
00:15:20,218 --> 00:15:22,352
probably like 5 years old.
317
00:15:22,354 --> 00:15:25,087
I don't think it's a real child,
318
00:15:25,089 --> 00:15:29,559
so I think it's part of this
negative entity that's here.
319
00:15:29,561 --> 00:15:30,760
What is he doing?
320
00:15:30,762 --> 00:15:33,229
I think he's hanging out
with this kid.
321
00:15:33,231 --> 00:15:36,566
He goes under the bed,
pushing on the bed...
322
00:15:39,037 --> 00:15:41,304
...talking, constantly talking.
323
00:15:41,306 --> 00:15:42,838
See, the talking is bad.
324
00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,376
He's causing the dreams,
and it's bad.
325
00:15:46,378 --> 00:15:49,645
Like, that I'm getting.
It's not good.
326
00:15:49,647 --> 00:15:51,180
I don't like this.
327
00:15:51,182 --> 00:15:53,649
My stomach doesn't feel good
about this.
328
00:15:57,055 --> 00:15:58,921
Is this dangerous for them?
329
00:15:58,923 --> 00:16:02,091
Psychologically, it's damaging.
330
00:16:02,093 --> 00:16:08,130
It's feeding off of whoever
is in this room.
331
00:16:09,601 --> 00:16:11,401
It's gaining strength,
332
00:16:11,403 --> 00:16:15,872
and ultimately it could lead
to illnesses.
333
00:16:15,874 --> 00:16:17,473
I don't like that.
334
00:16:38,295 --> 00:16:41,029
Kerrie told me the previous
owner died in the house.
335
00:16:41,031 --> 00:16:44,099
Now, clients usually get
this kind of stuff wrong,
336
00:16:44,101 --> 00:16:46,168
but in this case,
it checked out.
337
00:16:46,170 --> 00:16:49,505
I managed to track down two
of the deceased owner's kids.
338
00:16:49,507 --> 00:16:50,906
They grew up in Kerrie's house
339
00:16:50,908 --> 00:16:53,375
and say two other family
members died there, too.
340
00:17:00,117 --> 00:17:01,717
Thanks for meeting me.
341
00:17:01,719 --> 00:17:03,519
It's not often I get to meet
previous homeowners
342
00:17:03,521 --> 00:17:05,053
of my client's house.
343
00:17:05,055 --> 00:17:07,388
So how has it been since
either one of you were here?
344
00:17:07,390 --> 00:17:09,124
Since 1998.
345
00:17:09,126 --> 00:17:10,726
Did you guys grow up here?
346
00:17:10,728 --> 00:17:12,461
Yeah, we did.
347
00:17:12,463 --> 00:17:17,065
My mom and dad bought the house
I think around 1952.
348
00:17:17,067 --> 00:17:21,135
This is a photo of the house
taken in 1960.
349
00:17:21,137 --> 00:17:23,738
I hate to bring up sadness
in your family,
350
00:17:23,740 --> 00:17:26,475
but I understand
your mother actually died here.
351
00:17:26,477 --> 00:17:27,742
Yes.
352
00:17:27,744 --> 00:17:31,279
Mom passed
in January of '98.
353
00:17:31,281 --> 00:17:33,748
Our mother's name
was Verna Weissenburg.
354
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:36,484
- Well, how old was she?
- 79.
355
00:17:36,486 --> 00:17:37,886
And what was she like?
356
00:17:37,888 --> 00:17:41,422
She was quiet, loved to bake,
357
00:17:41,424 --> 00:17:43,091
made a lot of cookies.
358
00:17:43,093 --> 00:17:45,494
This is a photo of our
mom and dad.
359
00:17:45,496 --> 00:17:48,430
When Dad died,
she wanted to be here alone.
360
00:17:48,432 --> 00:17:51,232
Dad passed in 1997...
361
00:17:51,234 --> 00:17:52,634
Okay.
...in February.
362
00:17:52,636 --> 00:17:55,970
She called me a number
of times after Dad had died,
363
00:17:55,972 --> 00:18:00,442
and she said, "How do you live,
you know, without your spouse?"
364
00:18:00,444 --> 00:18:01,910
That was the worst.
365
00:18:01,912 --> 00:18:04,779
She never really got over
Dad's death.
366
00:18:09,252 --> 00:18:11,987
I'm seeing that old
dead lady again.
367
00:18:11,989 --> 00:18:14,523
This woman, to me,
seems very --
368
00:18:14,525 --> 00:18:18,326
She's very newly dead,
within the last 20 years.
369
00:18:18,328 --> 00:18:21,329
And she's got curly gray hair.
370
00:18:21,331 --> 00:18:25,066
I'd say probably in her
early 70s.
371
00:18:29,006 --> 00:18:30,739
The gray-haired lady
372
00:18:30,741 --> 00:18:33,808
had attachments directly
to this house.
373
00:18:33,810 --> 00:18:35,877
With her, I'm getting the '90s.
374
00:18:38,415 --> 00:18:40,815
Now, you guys mentioned
on the phone that there was --
375
00:18:40,817 --> 00:18:42,884
You knew of, like, two other
people that died in the house.
376
00:18:42,886 --> 00:18:44,352
Who was the first one?
377
00:18:44,354 --> 00:18:46,088
It was Ida Driscoll.
378
00:18:46,090 --> 00:18:48,290
She was our maternal
grandmother.
379
00:18:48,292 --> 00:18:50,425
She died in 1938.
380
00:18:50,427 --> 00:18:54,362
Here's a photo of her
and our mother, Verna.
381
00:18:54,364 --> 00:18:57,366
Ida passed before
both of us were born.
382
00:18:57,368 --> 00:18:59,568
We don't know the cause
of death.
383
00:18:59,570 --> 00:19:01,036
Okay, so that was
the first one.
384
00:19:01,038 --> 00:19:02,571
Who was the second one
that passed?
385
00:19:02,573 --> 00:19:04,840
Our grandfather,
Henry Driscoll.
386
00:19:04,842 --> 00:19:07,909
Here's a photo of him
when he was a young man.
387
00:19:07,911 --> 00:19:10,044
What kind of a man was he?
388
00:19:10,046 --> 00:19:12,447
He was little, hardworking.
389
00:19:12,449 --> 00:19:14,783
He worked at Spaulding Fibre.
390
00:19:14,785 --> 00:19:17,419
He was really a kind
and gentle man.
391
00:19:17,421 --> 00:19:19,520
He was a good guy.
392
00:19:19,522 --> 00:19:21,857
How old was he when he passed?
81.
393
00:19:21,859 --> 00:19:27,929
He died in 1952 in this
back bedroom back here.
394
00:19:27,931 --> 00:19:30,666
This is an obituary of Henry.
395
00:19:32,402 --> 00:19:35,002
This may sound weird,
but I got to ask.
396
00:19:35,004 --> 00:19:37,472
During the time that you guys
were living here,
397
00:19:37,474 --> 00:19:39,474
did anything strange
or unusual happen
398
00:19:39,476 --> 00:19:41,076
that you couldn't explain?
399
00:19:41,078 --> 00:19:44,145
When I was a kid, I used to
have some bad nightmares.
400
00:19:44,147 --> 00:19:45,680
What were they like?
401
00:19:45,682 --> 00:19:49,016
My arms were just --
They felt like lead weights.
402
00:19:49,018 --> 00:19:51,420
- And you couldn't pick them up?
- No, not really.
403
00:19:51,422 --> 00:19:54,022
Strange.
404
00:19:54,024 --> 00:19:55,357
Okay.
405
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,960
There's another
recent death here.
406
00:19:58,962 --> 00:20:01,630
I think it's the trucker guy
from outside.
407
00:20:01,632 --> 00:20:03,832
I know he lived here
at some point.
408
00:20:03,834 --> 00:20:05,901
I can say, like,
either the person
409
00:20:05,903 --> 00:20:08,903
was dying or dead in this area
410
00:20:08,905 --> 00:20:11,372
because I feel that,
411
00:20:11,374 --> 00:20:13,642
and I feel nauseous.
412
00:20:18,248 --> 00:20:22,584
See, the dead guy
comes in here a lot.
413
00:20:22,586 --> 00:20:24,786
Do you know if the living
have any experiences with him?
414
00:20:24,788 --> 00:20:26,321
Maybe they'd see a man,
415
00:20:26,323 --> 00:20:28,723
seeing him out of the corner
of their eyes.
416
00:20:28,725 --> 00:20:31,659
I didn't get any information
on that from him.
417
00:20:31,661 --> 00:20:33,128
Why is it you're having
such a hard time
418
00:20:33,130 --> 00:20:34,663
getting information from him?
419
00:20:34,665 --> 00:20:38,733
The nasty thing upstairs
took his voice.
420
00:20:42,139 --> 00:20:44,272
Now, I just got a call back
from a genealogist
421
00:20:44,274 --> 00:20:46,341
who says
he did some digging.
422
00:20:46,343 --> 00:20:48,610
Turns out, a former owner
of Kerrie's property
423
00:20:48,612 --> 00:20:51,813
lived a tragic life
and died a painful death.
424
00:20:56,620 --> 00:20:58,353
You had mentioned on the phone
this guy, Williams,
425
00:20:58,355 --> 00:21:00,221
had a pretty terrible life.
426
00:21:00,223 --> 00:21:02,957
Before we even get to that,
what do you know about this guy?
427
00:21:02,959 --> 00:21:06,094
William Williams was born
in Massachusetts...
428
00:21:06,096 --> 00:21:07,829
Okay.
...in 1786.
429
00:21:07,831 --> 00:21:10,498
He served as a colonel
in the War of 1812.
430
00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:13,234
His business
was book publishing,
431
00:21:13,236 --> 00:21:14,636
and he was very active
in his church.
432
00:21:14,638 --> 00:21:17,572
He was the superintendent
of the Sunday school.
433
00:21:17,574 --> 00:21:20,174
So what went wrong?
What happened?
434
00:21:20,176 --> 00:21:24,779
He met and married
Sophia Wells in 1811.
435
00:21:24,781 --> 00:21:27,715
14 children were born
to that union.
436
00:21:27,717 --> 00:21:30,185
Unfortunately, only seven
survived to adulthood.
437
00:21:30,187 --> 00:21:32,053
- Seven?
- And it gets worse.
438
00:21:32,055 --> 00:21:34,856
During the birth of
the 14th child, Sophia died
439
00:21:34,858 --> 00:21:37,058
as well, at age 40.
All right.
440
00:21:37,060 --> 00:21:40,795
So in about 20 years, this guy
lost seven kids and his wife?
441
00:21:40,797 --> 00:21:43,264
That's pretty tragic.
What happens to him after that?
442
00:21:43,266 --> 00:21:45,200
He married
the spinster daughter
443
00:21:45,202 --> 00:21:46,668
of one of his
business associates.
444
00:21:46,670 --> 00:21:48,737
His name was Henry Huntington.
445
00:21:48,739 --> 00:21:50,805
- Okay.
- Her name was Catherine,
446
00:21:50,807 --> 00:21:53,475
and so they were
married in 1833.
447
00:21:53,477 --> 00:21:56,144
In 1834, his publishing
business fails.
448
00:21:56,146 --> 00:22:00,215
He's forced to sell off
his business to pay his debtors.
449
00:22:00,217 --> 00:22:02,483
His father-in-law,
he steps in and says,
450
00:22:02,485 --> 00:22:04,352
"Well, let's help out here."
451
00:22:04,354 --> 00:22:08,356
In 1836, Henry Huntington
bought your client's property.
452
00:22:08,358 --> 00:22:10,692
Okay, so Williams lived
on the land,
453
00:22:10,694 --> 00:22:12,494
but his father-in-law
owned it?
454
00:22:12,496 --> 00:22:14,763
- Yes.
- Do things get better for him?
455
00:22:14,765 --> 00:22:16,498
Actually, they got worse.
456
00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:18,366
Shortly after they moved
onto the property,
457
00:22:18,368 --> 00:22:20,302
Henry Huntington,
his father-in-law,
458
00:22:20,304 --> 00:22:22,904
had him removed,
so he became homeless.
459
00:22:22,906 --> 00:22:26,307
So basically his father-in-law
kicks him off the property.
460
00:22:26,309 --> 00:22:27,576
Yeah.
461
00:22:27,578 --> 00:22:29,176
Does his wife stay
with him through this?
462
00:22:29,178 --> 00:22:31,178
No. His wife, Catherine,
463
00:22:31,180 --> 00:22:33,582
moved back to Rome
to take care of her father.
464
00:22:33,584 --> 00:22:35,116
What happens to him after that?
465
00:22:35,118 --> 00:22:39,254
In 1841, he buys a stagecoach
ticket to be with his wife,
466
00:22:39,256 --> 00:22:41,923
and on the way,
the stagecoach tips over.
467
00:22:41,925 --> 00:22:45,393
He lands on his head,
and he suffers a brain injury,
468
00:22:45,395 --> 00:22:49,865
and his mental abilities
were not what they used to be.
469
00:22:49,867 --> 00:22:51,866
This guy's got
a black cloud on him.
470
00:22:51,868 --> 00:22:53,001
That's right.
471
00:22:53,003 --> 00:22:55,670
He becomes a recluse
for the rest of his life.
472
00:22:55,672 --> 00:22:57,939
I've got an obituary here.
473
00:23:00,544 --> 00:23:03,278
He died in Utica,
63 years old,
474
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,282
in 1850,
apparently penniless and alone.
475
00:23:12,489 --> 00:23:15,223
I just saw something
really weird.
476
00:23:15,225 --> 00:23:18,292
It was a male
who'd been skinned.
477
00:23:18,294 --> 00:23:22,297
He didn't have any flesh on his
back, and I'm getting neck pain.
478
00:23:23,634 --> 00:23:26,301
I think this guy brought
the negative entity here.
479
00:23:26,303 --> 00:23:31,973
I felt like it followed this
person from another house.
480
00:23:31,975 --> 00:23:34,376
This guy used to have
really strong ties
481
00:23:34,378 --> 00:23:35,777
to the church and youth.
482
00:23:38,782 --> 00:23:43,118
Something went wrong over, like,
483
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:47,923
a deal with the business
that used to be here.
484
00:23:47,925 --> 00:23:50,592
Do you have any idea
how this guy died?
485
00:23:50,594 --> 00:23:54,595
I'm getting that neck pain,
that lower head and neck pain.
486
00:23:54,597 --> 00:23:58,199
A fall could cause that,
could cause that kind of damage.
487
00:24:00,603 --> 00:24:04,172
And it ****
hurts like a ****.
488
00:24:04,174 --> 00:24:05,540
My God.
489
00:24:11,348 --> 00:24:13,615
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490
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491
00:24:15,085 --> 00:24:16,885
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493
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495
00:24:36,672 --> 00:24:38,738
So far, I've got a woman
scared to death
496
00:24:38,740 --> 00:24:40,340
about the safety
of her family
497
00:24:40,342 --> 00:24:43,343
in a house where at least
three people have died,
498
00:24:43,345 --> 00:24:46,413
but I want to see
if there's anything else.
499
00:24:46,415 --> 00:24:47,680
Searching through old records,
500
00:24:47,682 --> 00:24:49,415
I find the murder
of a little girl
501
00:24:49,417 --> 00:24:52,352
that took place
in the 1890s.
502
00:24:52,354 --> 00:24:55,555
Turns out, it happened right
in my client's neighborhood.
503
00:24:57,959 --> 00:25:00,026
So I'm heading over to meet
this local journalist
504
00:25:00,028 --> 00:25:01,627
who knows all
about this case.
505
00:25:01,629 --> 00:25:04,964
Now, he says this story
has a lot of twists and turns
506
00:25:04,966 --> 00:25:06,832
and that locals were stunned
when they found out
507
00:25:06,834 --> 00:25:08,768
who actually killed
this poor girl.
508
00:25:15,978 --> 00:25:18,578
Well, Jeff, I appreciate you
helping me out with this case.
509
00:25:18,580 --> 00:25:20,313
So walk me through
this crazy murder.
510
00:25:20,315 --> 00:25:25,918
On July 8, 1892, there was
a young 2-year-old girl.
511
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,654
Her name was Lowena Stermer,
512
00:25:27,656 --> 00:25:29,455
and she was playing
in the neighborhood,
513
00:25:29,457 --> 00:25:31,724
and when she came home,
her mother looked at her,
514
00:25:31,726 --> 00:25:33,126
and she's deathly pale.
515
00:25:33,128 --> 00:25:35,262
She's got black circles
around her eyes.
516
00:25:35,264 --> 00:25:37,597
Her mother brought in
a doctor,
517
00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:40,667
and the doctor thought,
"This is probably cholera,"
518
00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:43,003
but unfortunately,
by 10 p.m. that night,
519
00:25:43,005 --> 00:25:45,338
Lowena Stermer is dead.
520
00:25:45,340 --> 00:25:48,808
We know Lowena was murdered.
So how'd they figure that out?
521
00:25:48,810 --> 00:25:50,343
Because 5 days later,
522
00:25:50,345 --> 00:25:51,945
three other kids
in the neighborhood
523
00:25:51,947 --> 00:25:54,880
got sick as well,
through similar symptoms,
524
00:25:54,882 --> 00:25:58,618
but they all survived their
ailments after some vomiting.
525
00:25:58,620 --> 00:26:00,753
How did they eventually
make a collar on this?
526
00:26:00,755 --> 00:26:03,423
When the kids were asked
what was going on,
527
00:26:03,425 --> 00:26:06,426
they talk about having been
given a cocoa drink
528
00:26:06,428 --> 00:26:08,561
by another neighborhood girl,
529
00:26:08,563 --> 00:26:11,364
a 14-year-old
named Ella Holdridge.
530
00:26:11,366 --> 00:26:14,567
Ella was questioned,
and eventually she did confess
531
00:26:14,569 --> 00:26:19,172
to mixing rat poison into drinks
and giving it to these kids.
532
00:26:19,174 --> 00:26:21,908
You're kidding?
Any idea what the motive was?
533
00:26:21,910 --> 00:26:26,446
Ella was fascinated with death,
the macabre.
534
00:26:26,448 --> 00:26:27,847
She loved coffins.
535
00:26:27,849 --> 00:26:31,985
She loved corpses, and she
wanted to see a pretty corpse,
536
00:26:31,987 --> 00:26:34,854
and I have an article here
that shows you that
537
00:26:34,856 --> 00:26:36,756
while the 2-year-old
was sick,
538
00:26:36,758 --> 00:26:37,857
Ella would sneak out
of her house
539
00:26:37,859 --> 00:26:39,725
and go look in
the neighbor's window.
540
00:26:39,727 --> 00:26:42,395
She came back home and told
her stepmother gleefully,
541
00:26:42,397 --> 00:26:44,130
"It looks like
she's going to die."
542
00:26:44,132 --> 00:26:48,001
This is some, you know,
serial killer type mentality
543
00:26:48,003 --> 00:26:49,335
in a 14-year-old girl.
544
00:26:49,337 --> 00:26:52,472
Yeah, and this all happened
a few hundred yards
545
00:26:52,474 --> 00:26:54,741
from the property
you're investigating.
546
00:26:54,743 --> 00:26:56,743
So what happens to
this psychopath?
547
00:26:56,745 --> 00:26:59,479
She was actually taken
to a reformery
548
00:26:59,481 --> 00:27:00,813
right outside of Buffalo,
549
00:27:00,815 --> 00:27:04,084
but ultimately
she was never prosecuted.
550
00:27:04,086 --> 00:27:06,152
All right, so basically,
she commits murder.
551
00:27:06,154 --> 00:27:07,887
She doesn't get convicted
of anything,
552
00:27:07,889 --> 00:27:09,455
I guess because of the age,
553
00:27:09,457 --> 00:27:12,158
and she winds up living
a normal life after that?
554
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,426
Yeah.
555
00:27:17,565 --> 00:27:19,632
Something went wrong.
556
00:27:19,634 --> 00:27:22,301
It does have to do
with the neighborhood.
557
00:27:22,303 --> 00:27:24,237
People were yelling
and panicking...
558
00:27:26,708 --> 00:27:28,308
...screaming,
"Help me! Help me!"
559
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:30,109
Screaming, yelling, crying,
560
00:27:30,111 --> 00:27:33,512
and there is something
with a hospital.
561
00:27:33,514 --> 00:27:36,783
I'm seeing three babies
that were dead.
562
00:27:36,785 --> 00:27:38,318
It's really bad.
563
00:27:50,432 --> 00:27:53,666
I saw several disturbing
things during my walk,
564
00:27:53,668 --> 00:27:55,801
but the dead little boy
tormenting
565
00:27:55,803 --> 00:27:59,939
a living girl upstairs
had me the most concerned.
566
00:27:59,941 --> 00:28:06,079
She's lying on the bed,
and he is lifting this bed,
567
00:28:06,081 --> 00:28:08,815
freaking out the little girl.
568
00:28:08,817 --> 00:28:10,483
Yeah, maybe do the bed bigger.
569
00:28:10,485 --> 00:28:12,485
Okay.
570
00:28:12,487 --> 00:28:18,291
Across from the bed is, like,
this unnatural blackness.
571
00:28:18,293 --> 00:28:21,428
The little boy under the bed,
he's part of it.
572
00:28:26,768 --> 00:28:28,634
Amy, is this what you saw?
573
00:28:31,706 --> 00:28:33,173
Yes.
574
00:28:48,488 --> 00:28:51,422
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
575
00:28:51,424 --> 00:28:53,625
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
576
00:28:53,627 --> 00:28:56,828
and our clients
for the first time.
577
00:28:56,830 --> 00:29:00,598
So, Amy, this is Kerrie,
and this is her daughter, Kayli.
578
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,167
Now, a few months ago,
Kayli here moved in
579
00:29:03,169 --> 00:29:05,036
with her
3- year-old daughter, Bella.
580
00:29:05,038 --> 00:29:07,104
Basically, Bella is the reason
that we're here.
581
00:29:07,106 --> 00:29:09,707
Since they came back,
activity has been violent,
582
00:29:09,709 --> 00:29:13,044
and these two don't think
it's safe for anyone to be here.
583
00:29:13,046 --> 00:29:15,513
So now that Amy knows
who you guys are,
584
00:29:15,515 --> 00:29:17,648
I'll ask her to describe
her walk for us.
585
00:29:21,388 --> 00:29:25,656
When I went down
into the basement,
586
00:29:25,658 --> 00:29:29,193
there was an overwhelming
amount of energy,
587
00:29:29,195 --> 00:29:32,997
and it just got
progressively more intense
588
00:29:32,999 --> 00:29:37,134
as I went into the bedroom.
589
00:29:37,136 --> 00:29:41,072
And the energy
I was picking up
590
00:29:41,074 --> 00:29:45,009
was coming from
a living person
591
00:29:45,011 --> 00:29:47,612
that is down there.
592
00:29:47,614 --> 00:29:52,883
I felt that that individual
is a physical medium.
593
00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:56,287
First I got that
this was a female,
594
00:29:56,289 --> 00:29:59,357
and then I was
leaning towards a male.
595
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:01,692
Amy, there's something you
ought to know about that room.
596
00:30:01,694 --> 00:30:03,361
Up until a few months ago,
Kerrie's son,
597
00:30:03,363 --> 00:30:05,497
Keenan,
was living down there.
598
00:30:05,499 --> 00:30:08,500
Now, he told me while he was
there, he felt drained
599
00:30:08,502 --> 00:30:10,301
and like he had been
hit by a truck.
600
00:30:10,303 --> 00:30:11,435
Yeah.
601
00:30:11,437 --> 00:30:12,837
It got so bad
he actually moved out.
602
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:14,439
That makes sense.
603
00:30:14,441 --> 00:30:16,441
So you said you couldn't tell
if it was a male or a female,
604
00:30:16,443 --> 00:30:18,309
but Kayli lives down there now.
Okay.
605
00:30:18,311 --> 00:30:21,112
And she's having a bunch
of experiences.
606
00:30:21,114 --> 00:30:24,449
Could one of them
be a medium, or both?
607
00:30:24,451 --> 00:30:28,586
It would be likely that
you are both sensitives.
608
00:30:30,990 --> 00:30:33,725
- I'm not surprised.
- Okay.
609
00:30:33,727 --> 00:30:35,259
We see people, like,
610
00:30:35,261 --> 00:30:38,062
all the time
and feel people all the time.
611
00:30:38,064 --> 00:30:39,264
It's overwhelming.
612
00:30:43,069 --> 00:30:45,202
So what else?
613
00:30:45,204 --> 00:30:48,072
Coming around
to the front stairs,
614
00:30:48,074 --> 00:30:56,614
I got hit with this intense
residual event that took place.
615
00:30:56,616 --> 00:31:01,086
I saw a female rushing down
the stairs,
616
00:31:01,088 --> 00:31:02,821
and she was freaking out.
617
00:31:02,823 --> 00:31:05,022
People would feel it,
618
00:31:05,024 --> 00:31:08,560
the rushing or feeling
like a slight pushing.
619
00:31:08,562 --> 00:31:13,498
Tell Amy about you getting
pushed into the stairs.
620
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:15,766
As I turned to walk up
the stairs,
621
00:31:15,768 --> 00:31:18,436
I could feel this rush.
622
00:31:18,438 --> 00:31:20,571
And I literally, like,
fell into the stairs.
623
00:31:20,573 --> 00:31:22,640
Okay.
624
00:31:22,642 --> 00:31:24,576
I see what's
going on here now.
625
00:31:31,118 --> 00:31:34,718
The next person I want
to talk to you about
626
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,656
is a dead male
that I encountered.
627
00:31:38,658 --> 00:31:40,525
I kept calling him the trucker
628
00:31:40,527 --> 00:31:42,460
because that's what
he reminded me off.
629
00:31:42,462 --> 00:31:44,729
He seemed to be in his 40s,
630
00:31:44,731 --> 00:31:47,932
and he was indicating to me that
he lived here at some point.
631
00:31:47,934 --> 00:31:53,003
I think he either died here, or
he began his dying process here.
632
00:31:53,005 --> 00:31:55,540
He can go everywhere,
633
00:31:55,542 --> 00:32:00,678
but he enjoys being
in this bedroom down here.
634
00:32:02,749 --> 00:32:04,282
You may perceive it
as more of like
635
00:32:04,284 --> 00:32:08,019
a dark figure versus a male.
636
00:32:08,021 --> 00:32:09,354
Um...
637
00:32:09,356 --> 00:32:11,823
when I sit on the couch,
638
00:32:11,825 --> 00:32:15,626
I can see into the reflection
of the china closet.
639
00:32:15,628 --> 00:32:17,962
I can see just there's
a shadow fig-- Gotcha.
640
00:32:17,964 --> 00:32:22,100
Like a man, and he stands,
like, in front of the kitchen.
641
00:32:22,102 --> 00:32:25,503
I have a pretty good idea
of who you might have seen.
642
00:32:25,505 --> 00:32:28,306
So the guy I'm thinking of
is named Henry Driscoll.
643
00:32:28,308 --> 00:32:31,910
Now, he's the guy that built
this house back in 1916,
644
00:32:31,912 --> 00:32:35,980
and at the time he built
the house, he was 45.
645
00:32:35,982 --> 00:32:38,850
I got a photo of him
when he was young.
646
00:32:38,852 --> 00:32:40,518
This is Henry.
647
00:32:43,790 --> 00:32:46,391
So I spoke to the grandkids,
648
00:32:46,393 --> 00:32:49,260
and they said he was
a real blue-collar guy.
649
00:32:49,262 --> 00:32:52,130
He actually worked his whole
career in a factory in town.
650
00:32:52,132 --> 00:32:54,032
He had lived in this house
for over 35 years.
651
00:32:54,034 --> 00:32:57,936
Now, we don't know what
the exact cause of death was,
652
00:32:57,938 --> 00:33:01,739
but we know he was bedridden
here in his final years.
653
00:33:01,741 --> 00:33:05,477
So Henry wound up dying in 1952
right in that back bedroom.
654
00:33:05,479 --> 00:33:07,679
Okay, that makes sense.
655
00:33:10,216 --> 00:33:12,750
Is there anything else?
656
00:33:12,752 --> 00:33:15,820
I did encounter
an old woman.
657
00:33:15,822 --> 00:33:18,155
She looked to me to be
in her 70s.
658
00:33:18,157 --> 00:33:21,559
She has glasses.
She has gray hair.
659
00:33:21,561 --> 00:33:24,629
She lived here in the 1990s.
660
00:33:26,299 --> 00:33:29,033
Okay.
661
00:33:29,035 --> 00:33:32,836
So -- And I'm pretty sure she
died within the last 20 years,
662
00:33:32,838 --> 00:33:36,707
and I got a stroke
or a heart attack.
663
00:33:36,709 --> 00:33:38,242
I'm pretty sure I know
who you saw.
664
00:33:38,244 --> 00:33:41,111
I'm guessing Kerrie does,
as well.
665
00:33:41,113 --> 00:33:42,380
The previous owner of this house
666
00:33:42,382 --> 00:33:45,115
was a woman named
Verna Weissenburg.
667
00:33:45,117 --> 00:33:47,384
Now, Verna was
Henry Driscoll's daughter.
668
00:33:48,989 --> 00:33:52,256
She was born in this house,
and she died in this house.
669
00:33:52,258 --> 00:33:53,992
Now, you said the woman
lived here in the '90s.
670
00:33:53,994 --> 00:33:56,461
Verna died over here
in the kitchen in 1998.
671
00:33:58,465 --> 00:34:00,331
Said she was in her 70s.
672
00:34:00,333 --> 00:34:03,134
Verna was 79 when
she died in this house.
673
00:34:03,136 --> 00:34:07,738
One of the kids gave me
a photo of Verna.
674
00:34:07,740 --> 00:34:09,140
This is her right here.
675
00:34:09,142 --> 00:34:11,342
Do you think this is
who you saw?
676
00:34:11,344 --> 00:34:14,278
I think it's her.
677
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,549
So her thing is, is that
she gets irritated
678
00:34:18,551 --> 00:34:20,484
with the living people here.
679
00:34:20,486 --> 00:34:24,088
She is in the big bedroom
upstairs
680
00:34:24,090 --> 00:34:26,824
pretty much
all the time.
681
00:34:26,826 --> 00:34:29,493
- That's Kerrie's room.
- Okay.
682
00:34:29,495 --> 00:34:32,163
She does stare
at the living,
683
00:34:32,165 --> 00:34:34,032
and she does it intently.
684
00:34:35,568 --> 00:34:38,770
And she did show me
685
00:34:38,772 --> 00:34:43,174
her...holding...
686
00:34:43,176 --> 00:34:48,446
I guess you down
in the bed up there.
687
00:34:48,448 --> 00:34:52,583
So the one night I was laying,
and I woke up, and I, like,
688
00:34:52,585 --> 00:34:55,519
felt being, like, watched,
and I couldn't breathe.
689
00:34:55,521 --> 00:34:57,255
I couldn't move.
I couldn't yell.
690
00:34:57,257 --> 00:35:01,058
I couldn't do anything,
and all I kept thinking was,
691
00:35:01,060 --> 00:35:05,263
"My God.
Like, the house is finally --
692
00:35:05,265 --> 00:35:06,731
It's going to kill me."
693
00:35:11,470 --> 00:35:14,538
So this is all Verna
holding her down.
694
00:35:14,540 --> 00:35:16,007
The feeling
of being watched...
695
00:35:16,009 --> 00:35:17,408
- Yes.
- ...is all Verna?
696
00:35:17,410 --> 00:35:19,109
Yes.
697
00:35:22,682 --> 00:35:25,283
But she's not what
I'm concerned about.
698
00:35:25,285 --> 00:35:27,085
I'm worried about the entity
699
00:35:27,087 --> 00:35:30,354
that I saw
in the upstairs hallway.
700
00:35:30,356 --> 00:35:33,157
This is just a mass
of negative energy.
701
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:35,893
Like, there's no real shape
to it.
702
00:35:35,895 --> 00:35:38,496
It's just this blackness.
703
00:35:38,498 --> 00:35:41,032
I think a previous owner
brought it here.
704
00:35:41,034 --> 00:35:42,700
It's powerful.
705
00:35:42,702 --> 00:35:46,304
It does on occasion
make a lot of noise.
706
00:35:46,306 --> 00:35:48,840
I'm looking out at the hallway,
and all I'm hearing is, like,
707
00:35:48,842 --> 00:35:52,243
yelling, screaming,
knocking sounds, commotion.
708
00:35:52,245 --> 00:35:56,080
I hear knocking on
my bedroom door.
709
00:35:56,082 --> 00:35:57,915
You hear knocking all around
the house,
710
00:35:57,917 --> 00:36:00,384
banging all around the house.
711
00:36:00,386 --> 00:36:01,652
It can take your energy,
712
00:36:01,654 --> 00:36:04,522
which then can break down
your immune system.
713
00:36:04,524 --> 00:36:06,123
Your immune system goes.
714
00:36:06,125 --> 00:36:08,726
You start getting sick.
You start getting sick.
715
00:36:08,728 --> 00:36:11,396
You start getting
seriously sick.
716
00:36:11,398 --> 00:36:12,996
Your health has been declining,
Kerrie, right?
717
00:36:12,998 --> 00:36:14,198
Yes.
718
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,134
I have epilepsy
since I've been 6,
719
00:36:17,136 --> 00:36:21,272
but over the past 4 years,
like, it's gotten worse,
720
00:36:21,274 --> 00:36:23,941
and the doctors are just...
721
00:36:23,943 --> 00:36:27,078
like, don't even know
what to do.
722
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,281
Also, what this thing can do
is borrow forms,
723
00:36:31,283 --> 00:36:35,086
and it can appear good,
bad, ugly.
724
00:36:35,088 --> 00:36:36,821
Remember you thought
you saw your father?
725
00:36:36,823 --> 00:36:38,956
- Yes.
- Tell Amy what happened.
726
00:36:38,958 --> 00:36:41,759
I was sleeping in this back room
over here.
727
00:36:41,761 --> 00:36:44,162
I heard the door open, and it
sounded like he was talking.
728
00:36:44,164 --> 00:36:46,831
I opened my eyes.
It looked like him.
729
00:36:46,833 --> 00:36:48,566
Closed my eyes, opened my eyes
back up, he wasn't there.
730
00:36:48,568 --> 00:36:50,234
Door was shut.
Nobody was there.
731
00:36:50,236 --> 00:36:53,904
So this darkness thing
borrowed Tom's likeness?
732
00:36:53,906 --> 00:36:55,706
Yes.
733
00:36:55,708 --> 00:36:58,242
Did this thing appear to you
in any other way?
734
00:36:58,244 --> 00:37:01,912
I went into
the middle bedroom.
735
00:37:01,914 --> 00:37:03,914
Bella's room.
736
00:37:03,916 --> 00:37:09,253
I was in the closet,
and I saw this little boy.
737
00:37:09,255 --> 00:37:13,323
Kayli, you tell Amy
about the little boy Bella sees.
738
00:37:13,325 --> 00:37:15,593
- So she does see a little boy?
- Yeah.
739
00:37:15,595 --> 00:37:19,463
She says that he lives
in her closet,
740
00:37:19,465 --> 00:37:23,267
and she says that he lives
next to her bed.
741
00:37:23,269 --> 00:37:26,470
She gets hit in the face.
She's been scratched.
742
00:37:26,472 --> 00:37:28,673
She's been punched
in the stomach.
743
00:37:28,675 --> 00:37:31,876
- So I actually have a photo.
- This is a scratch she got.
744
00:37:36,015 --> 00:37:39,083
I saw him
going under the bed.
745
00:37:39,085 --> 00:37:42,887
He goes under the bed,
pushing on the bed...
746
00:37:45,024 --> 00:37:47,291
...talking,
constantly talking.
747
00:37:47,293 --> 00:37:49,760
See, the talking is bad.
748
00:37:49,762 --> 00:37:53,497
What I was seeing was that
this little dead child
749
00:37:53,499 --> 00:37:58,569
was causing the living child
horrible nightmares.
750
00:37:58,571 --> 00:37:59,903
She was having nightmares
so bad
751
00:37:59,905 --> 00:38:02,974
that she sleeps
in Kerrie's room now.
752
00:38:02,976 --> 00:38:07,011
I did have a sketch done
of what I saw.
753
00:38:13,787 --> 00:38:15,853
Annoying little ****,
right?
754
00:38:25,064 --> 00:38:26,798
I mean, she's a baby.
755
00:38:33,606 --> 00:38:37,208
That's what she describes.
756
00:38:37,210 --> 00:38:38,943
She's been going through
a lot, that kid.
757
00:38:43,683 --> 00:38:45,683
She said the only time
that he ever leaves her alone
758
00:38:45,685 --> 00:38:48,018
is when she tries
to close her eyes,
759
00:38:48,020 --> 00:38:51,688
but clearly he's not
leaving her alone.
760
00:38:51,690 --> 00:38:56,961
She is, like, a little,
tiny supernova of energy,
761
00:38:56,963 --> 00:39:01,365
and this thing
is attracted to that
762
00:39:01,367 --> 00:39:05,036
because it can feed off
of that energy.
763
00:39:05,038 --> 00:39:10,107
This is like an extremely
detrimental situation for her,
764
00:39:10,109 --> 00:39:13,710
not only physically
but mentally.
765
00:39:13,712 --> 00:39:17,248
This is incredibly dangerous.
766
00:39:39,471 --> 00:39:43,473
So, Kerrie, Kayli, you both got
a lot of information tonight
767
00:39:43,475 --> 00:39:46,609
and probably a hell of a lot
more than you bargained for,
768
00:39:46,611 --> 00:39:49,079
but now you know
who's terrorizing Bella
769
00:39:49,081 --> 00:39:51,013
and destroying your health.
770
00:39:51,015 --> 00:39:53,283
But we still haven't answered
your biggest question --
771
00:39:53,285 --> 00:39:55,485
Is there anything
you can do to fix this?
772
00:39:55,487 --> 00:39:57,087
For that answer, I'm going to
turn it over to Amy.
773
00:40:02,427 --> 00:40:06,095
This negative energy
that is attached to Bella
774
00:40:06,097 --> 00:40:08,431
needs to be removed,
775
00:40:08,433 --> 00:40:10,900
so I'd like you to find
a Reiki master
776
00:40:10,902 --> 00:40:13,503
who is also a psychic,
777
00:40:13,505 --> 00:40:17,774
and I want Bella to go
778
00:40:17,776 --> 00:40:20,776
and have any and all cords
779
00:40:20,778 --> 00:40:24,513
from this negative energy
removed.
780
00:40:24,515 --> 00:40:31,254
The next step is for the same
Reiki master psychic
781
00:40:31,256 --> 00:40:37,327
to come to the house and collect
all of the negative energy
782
00:40:37,329 --> 00:40:41,264
that's in this house
from every nook and cranny.
783
00:40:41,266 --> 00:40:43,466
Once this thing's
out of the house,
784
00:40:43,468 --> 00:40:46,135
you'll notice
a big difference.
785
00:40:46,137 --> 00:40:47,937
Now, will this get rid
of all the dead people here?
786
00:40:47,939 --> 00:40:49,939
Yes.
787
00:40:49,941 --> 00:40:55,077
And once the Reiki master
has completed their session,
788
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:58,548
Bella can easily come back.
789
00:40:58,550 --> 00:41:02,618
The other thing I would like
you guys to do
790
00:41:02,620 --> 00:41:08,692
is a specific grounding
meditation one time per week.
791
00:41:08,694 --> 00:41:12,495
It temporarily shuts you down.
792
00:41:12,497 --> 00:41:15,465
Now, by doing this,
793
00:41:15,467 --> 00:41:20,770
the dead are going to see
a sign going up
794
00:41:20,772 --> 00:41:22,438
that says, "Closed."
795
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,641
Okay?
796
00:41:24,643 --> 00:41:28,244
And they're going to leave.
797
00:41:28,246 --> 00:41:29,846
I mean, are you going to do
what Amy tells you?
798
00:41:29,848 --> 00:41:30,981
100 percent.
Yeah.
799
00:41:30,983 --> 00:41:32,449
Definitely.
800
00:41:32,451 --> 00:41:36,852
If it means Bella being safe,
we would do whatever it took.
801
00:41:36,854 --> 00:41:40,990
I really hope Kerrie and Kayli
follow all of my advice.
802
00:41:40,992 --> 00:41:45,394
If they do, they'll be able
to live in their house in peace,
803
00:41:45,396 --> 00:41:48,798
and most importantly, Bella will
have a normal childhood.
804
00:41:56,408 --> 00:41:58,874
Hi, guys. I wanted to give you
a quick update and let you know
805
00:41:58,876 --> 00:42:00,676
how things were going
here at the house.
806
00:42:00,678 --> 00:42:02,078
Claire came by yesterday,
807
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,482
and she cleansed the house
of all the negativity,
808
00:42:05,484 --> 00:42:06,749
and everyone slept great.
809
00:42:06,751 --> 00:42:08,151
We all slept through the night.
810
00:42:08,153 --> 00:42:10,153
There were no nightmares
or anything.
811
00:42:10,155 --> 00:42:12,889
Bella feels great sleeping
in her room by herself,
812
00:42:12,891 --> 00:42:15,959
so it's wonderful, so thank you
so much for all of your help.
813
00:42:15,961 --> 00:42:18,094
We are so appreciative.
Thank you so much.
814
00:42:18,144 --> 00:42:22,694
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