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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,511 --> 00:00:13,812 This little thing comes out from the earth. 2 00:00:13,814 --> 00:00:16,348 The land's been cursed. 3 00:00:16,350 --> 00:00:18,183 Something's really going after my mom. 4 00:00:18,185 --> 00:00:19,918 Things are getting pretty violent. 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,088 He liked to kill things. 6 00:00:23,090 --> 00:00:26,525 He killed at least six women. 7 00:00:26,527 --> 00:00:29,328 It makes me sick, physically. 8 00:00:29,330 --> 00:00:30,496 I broke my neck. 9 00:00:30,498 --> 00:00:33,632 What?! 10 00:00:33,634 --> 00:00:36,034 There will only be darkness here. 11 00:00:38,105 --> 00:00:40,839 Panic, panic, panic. 12 00:00:40,841 --> 00:00:42,974 My name is Amy Allan. 13 00:00:42,976 --> 00:00:44,776 I'm seeing, like, blood. 14 00:00:44,778 --> 00:00:47,846 The house just feels bad. 15 00:00:47,848 --> 00:00:49,414 I see dead people. 16 00:00:49,416 --> 00:00:53,885 This man is completely insane. 17 00:00:53,887 --> 00:00:56,855 I speak to dead people. 18 00:00:56,857 --> 00:00:59,157 Okay, she doesn't like it in there. 19 00:00:59,159 --> 00:01:01,092 And they speak to me. 20 00:01:01,094 --> 00:01:03,128 He likes to twist that knife. 21 00:01:03,130 --> 00:01:06,664 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 22 00:01:06,666 --> 00:01:10,268 Something paranormal is trying to kill them. 23 00:01:10,270 --> 00:01:11,770 I rely on my partner. 24 00:01:11,772 --> 00:01:13,472 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 25 00:01:13,474 --> 00:01:15,641 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 26 00:01:15,643 --> 00:01:17,275 Now, does he die right there on the spot? 27 00:01:17,277 --> 00:01:21,246 I know every person, every house has secrets. 28 00:01:21,248 --> 00:01:23,815 I think it's trying to steal my soul. 29 00:01:23,817 --> 00:01:25,751 It's my job to reveal them. 30 00:01:25,753 --> 00:01:27,753 You ever get touched like that again? 31 00:01:27,755 --> 00:01:29,654 But Steve and I never speak... 32 00:01:29,656 --> 00:01:31,690 We never communicate during an investigation. 33 00:01:31,692 --> 00:01:33,158 ...until the very end... 34 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,160 I'm as stunned as you guys are. 35 00:01:35,162 --> 00:01:37,195 ...when we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 36 00:01:37,197 --> 00:01:39,598 I don't want anything to happen to my daughter. 37 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,300 ...or time to get out. 38 00:01:41,302 --> 00:01:43,635 His goal is to kill you guys. 39 00:01:58,986 --> 00:02:00,219 I'm in Springfield, Ohio. 40 00:02:00,221 --> 00:02:02,654 It's about 30 minutes outside of Dayton. 41 00:02:02,656 --> 00:02:04,590 So, I got a call from a young guy named Josh. 42 00:02:04,592 --> 00:02:06,525 Now, he says the house he grew up in 43 00:02:06,527 --> 00:02:08,460 was a paranormal war zone. 44 00:02:08,462 --> 00:02:12,231 He got out, but his parents are still there and won't leave. 45 00:02:12,233 --> 00:02:16,001 He said Amy and I need to either fix this or convince them to go. 46 00:02:21,675 --> 00:02:23,308 Before Amy arrives, 47 00:02:23,310 --> 00:02:26,011 I clear the house of any leading information. 48 00:02:26,013 --> 00:02:29,515 Photographs, antiques, 49 00:02:29,517 --> 00:02:32,817 even pieces of furniture can influence her findings, 50 00:02:32,819 --> 00:02:36,021 so it's important that I cover or remove them all. 51 00:02:36,023 --> 00:02:37,355 When I'm finished, 52 00:02:37,357 --> 00:02:39,724 the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 53 00:02:53,373 --> 00:02:56,207 Lots of negativity back in here. 54 00:02:56,209 --> 00:03:00,845 You can feel it. It comes right into your gut. 55 00:03:00,847 --> 00:03:02,514 I don't think this is a good place 56 00:03:02,516 --> 00:03:05,116 for a living person to be. 57 00:03:05,118 --> 00:03:06,652 They are trying to get ahead 58 00:03:06,654 --> 00:03:09,788 or trying to fulfill wishes or dreams, 59 00:03:09,790 --> 00:03:12,057 but the land won't let you. 60 00:03:12,059 --> 00:03:14,059 And I heard the dead guy say 61 00:03:14,061 --> 00:03:17,329 there will only be darkness here for them. 62 00:03:22,669 --> 00:03:24,202 So, Josh, when we spoke on the phone, 63 00:03:24,204 --> 00:03:26,438 you made it sound like things were pretty bad in this house. 64 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:27,606 What the hell's going on? 65 00:03:27,608 --> 00:03:29,241 Something's really going after my mom. 66 00:03:29,243 --> 00:03:31,276 Things are getting pretty violent, 67 00:03:31,278 --> 00:03:32,677 especially towards her, 68 00:03:32,679 --> 00:03:36,615 and I have a feeling that if we don't solve this soon, 69 00:03:36,617 --> 00:03:37,949 it's gonna get really bad. 70 00:03:37,951 --> 00:03:40,018 Does your mom realize the kind of danger she's in? 71 00:03:40,020 --> 00:03:41,186 I think she does now. 72 00:03:41,188 --> 00:03:42,887 Then how come she didn't call us in? 73 00:03:42,889 --> 00:03:45,424 There's a point where your parents take care of you in your life, 74 00:03:45,426 --> 00:03:47,225 and there's a point where you return the favor. 75 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:49,027 - So I know you moved out. - Yes. 76 00:03:49,029 --> 00:03:50,929 So who's living in the house now? 77 00:03:50,931 --> 00:03:53,164 My mom and dad. 78 00:03:53,166 --> 00:03:55,701 So, I assume you growing up here, you had experiences? 79 00:03:55,703 --> 00:03:57,369 Yeah. Things would happen you couldn't explain, 80 00:03:57,371 --> 00:03:59,404 and just kind of had to deal with them. 81 00:03:59,406 --> 00:04:01,573 Do me a favor and give me a list of what's happening in the house. 82 00:04:01,575 --> 00:04:04,075 Things like objects move on their own, 83 00:04:04,077 --> 00:04:06,244 footsteps, voices, 84 00:04:06,246 --> 00:04:08,713 shadows and apparitions, 85 00:04:08,715 --> 00:04:12,084 and then there's been times where things will get physical. 86 00:04:12,086 --> 00:04:14,852 Okay, so when you say "physical," give me an example. 87 00:04:14,854 --> 00:04:17,455 My mom's been pushed down the stairs. 88 00:04:17,457 --> 00:04:20,058 I've seen people die from falling eight feet -- 89 00:04:20,060 --> 00:04:21,660 you know, breaking their neck. 90 00:04:21,662 --> 00:04:24,028 Her neck was actually broken. 91 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:26,931 I literally watched her torso go forward 92 00:04:26,933 --> 00:04:28,933 ahead of her feet, ahead of her head, everything, 93 00:04:28,935 --> 00:04:32,603 and just -- bam! -- comes crashing down. 94 00:04:32,605 --> 00:04:33,805 So, what all is going on? 95 00:04:33,807 --> 00:04:35,140 How's your mom dealing with it? 96 00:04:35,142 --> 00:04:36,808 It's just causing a lot of stress, 97 00:04:36,810 --> 00:04:39,811 having several health issues that are unexplainable. 98 00:04:39,813 --> 00:04:42,980 Why do you think your mother's health problems are paranormal? 99 00:04:42,982 --> 00:04:44,182 It's unexplainable. 100 00:04:44,184 --> 00:04:46,351 Doctors will see some sort of medical condition 101 00:04:46,353 --> 00:04:48,687 and say, "You're that one-in-a-million case." 102 00:04:48,689 --> 00:04:52,090 It's just gotten worse and worse and worse. 103 00:04:52,092 --> 00:04:53,892 And, now, how old is mom? 104 00:04:53,894 --> 00:04:55,526 Mom is 50. 105 00:04:55,528 --> 00:04:56,895 So she's still a young woman. 106 00:04:56,897 --> 00:05:00,765 Yes. I think something here kind of has its own agenda. 107 00:05:00,767 --> 00:05:02,234 My mom's the target, 108 00:05:02,236 --> 00:05:05,337 and I think it just kind of takes pleasure in abusing her. 109 00:05:08,575 --> 00:05:10,909 So, one of the main things that's here 110 00:05:10,911 --> 00:05:13,979 originated from out there. 111 00:05:13,981 --> 00:05:17,181 This little thing comes out from the earth. 112 00:05:17,183 --> 00:05:20,318 It has a weird, long neck, 113 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,721 really skinny arms that are always up. 114 00:05:22,723 --> 00:05:27,258 It just has, like, big round blobs for eyes, 115 00:05:27,260 --> 00:05:29,861 like white blobs. 116 00:05:29,863 --> 00:05:32,864 How might the living here experience this thing? 117 00:05:32,866 --> 00:05:37,235 I think that the living would feel this fear and this anxiety. 118 00:05:37,237 --> 00:05:40,672 There's a living female here who has heart trouble 119 00:05:40,674 --> 00:05:43,875 directly related to the land thing. 120 00:05:43,877 --> 00:05:46,878 It's always, like, kind of growling and snorting. 121 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,815 It's always making disgusting sounds. 122 00:05:49,817 --> 00:05:51,717 It can go anywhere it wants. 123 00:05:54,187 --> 00:05:57,088 It's physical. It can do physical harm. 124 00:05:57,090 --> 00:06:00,592 Then I saw these two shadow people 125 00:06:00,594 --> 00:06:03,895 standing up by the trees. 126 00:06:03,897 --> 00:06:06,698 So, one shadow person -- 127 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:10,302 it was actually a living person at one time. 128 00:06:10,304 --> 00:06:13,105 The other one is a shadow man. 129 00:06:13,107 --> 00:06:16,107 I think they're both connected to this strange creature. 130 00:06:16,109 --> 00:06:18,309 This isn't good. 131 00:06:24,918 --> 00:06:26,884 All right, so Josh, I assume this was your room? 132 00:06:26,886 --> 00:06:29,020 Yeah. Yeah, this was the room I grew up in. Okay. 133 00:06:29,022 --> 00:06:30,555 So let's get to some of the experiences you had 134 00:06:30,557 --> 00:06:31,823 when you were growing up. 135 00:06:31,825 --> 00:06:35,994 I saw a shadow at the stairs that lead up here, 136 00:06:35,996 --> 00:06:37,261 flipped on the light, and I looked down. 137 00:06:37,263 --> 00:06:38,797 I saw my shadow, and then I saw 138 00:06:38,799 --> 00:06:40,998 this little bit taller, skinnier figure 139 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,670 and it was black -- I mean, absolutely black. 140 00:06:45,672 --> 00:06:48,172 I took off after it when it moved away from the wall, 141 00:06:48,174 --> 00:06:50,241 started flipping lights the whole way through the house, 142 00:06:50,243 --> 00:06:51,810 and there was nothing. 143 00:06:51,812 --> 00:06:53,010 Were you home alone? 144 00:06:53,012 --> 00:06:54,746 No. My parents were upstairs asleep. 145 00:06:54,748 --> 00:06:56,414 Okay, so there was nobody downstairs, though? 146 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:58,316 - No. - All right, anything else? 147 00:06:58,318 --> 00:06:59,951 There was a presence one night, 148 00:06:59,953 --> 00:07:02,753 and it felt like something literally came up behind me. 149 00:07:02,755 --> 00:07:03,955 I was sitting down, 150 00:07:03,957 --> 00:07:06,357 and you could just feel it breathing down your neck. 151 00:07:06,359 --> 00:07:08,426 This breathing that you felt -- I mean, 152 00:07:08,428 --> 00:07:09,627 did you get a sense of what it could have been? 153 00:07:09,629 --> 00:07:11,096 Was it a man, woman? 154 00:07:11,098 --> 00:07:12,563 I honestly have no clue. 155 00:07:12,565 --> 00:07:13,899 It was bad, for sure. 156 00:07:13,901 --> 00:07:15,099 Is there anything else? 157 00:07:15,101 --> 00:07:17,702 I was almost asleep, and someone slapped me. 158 00:07:17,704 --> 00:07:20,438 I felt somebody slap the left side of my face. 159 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,307 How hard of a slap? Show me. 160 00:07:22,309 --> 00:07:23,541 Just... 161 00:07:23,543 --> 00:07:25,977 - Across your face? - Yeah. 162 00:07:25,979 --> 00:07:27,979 Did you think you were dreaming or... 163 00:07:27,981 --> 00:07:29,647 That's kind of what I thought 164 00:07:29,649 --> 00:07:30,849 until I walked into the bathroom 165 00:07:30,851 --> 00:07:33,117 and I saw the just -- they were faint, 166 00:07:33,119 --> 00:07:35,586 but there were finger marks, like, right here. 167 00:07:35,588 --> 00:07:37,021 This is some pretty serious stuff. 168 00:07:37,023 --> 00:07:39,724 My biggest concern is one day I'll get a call 169 00:07:39,726 --> 00:07:43,060 my mom and dad were seriously hurt, or worse. 170 00:07:43,062 --> 00:07:44,663 I mean, it's just bad here. 171 00:07:44,665 --> 00:07:46,865 Whatever's causing the problem, I want it out. 172 00:07:46,867 --> 00:07:49,201 All right. 173 00:07:49,203 --> 00:07:53,338 This strange creature is very dangerous, 174 00:07:53,340 --> 00:07:56,941 and I did see it grabbing somebody in bed, 175 00:07:56,943 --> 00:08:00,011 and I thought maybe it was a teenage boy, 176 00:08:00,013 --> 00:08:01,346 and he's getting hurt, 177 00:08:01,348 --> 00:08:04,916 and he's getting hit really hard on their upper back, 178 00:08:04,918 --> 00:08:07,985 to the point where it's like, "- " 179 00:08:10,958 --> 00:08:14,392 I'm getting, like, really dizzy. 180 00:08:14,394 --> 00:08:19,164 I'm scared, and I just feel fear. 181 00:08:19,166 --> 00:08:21,766 I feel like something in here is being strangled. 182 00:08:29,709 --> 00:08:31,242 So, Collin, I was talking to your son, Josh, 183 00:08:31,244 --> 00:08:32,710 and he's concerned that something in this house 184 00:08:32,712 --> 00:08:33,945 is going after your wife. 185 00:08:33,947 --> 00:08:35,113 I mean, do you agree with that at all? 186 00:08:35,115 --> 00:08:38,583 Yeah. She's not doing as well as she used to. 187 00:08:38,585 --> 00:08:39,818 We've been to -- I don't know -- 188 00:08:39,820 --> 00:08:41,853 every doctor that you can think of. 189 00:08:41,855 --> 00:08:43,521 Do you think this house is causing that? 190 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:45,222 Something's causing it, 191 00:08:45,224 --> 00:08:47,893 so it could be very possible. 192 00:08:47,895 --> 00:08:49,727 You know, you don't want your wife to be sick, 193 00:08:49,729 --> 00:08:50,996 and you don't want your wife to be 194 00:08:50,998 --> 00:08:53,331 waking up in the middle of the night screaming. 195 00:08:53,333 --> 00:08:55,666 What about experiences? Have you had anything? 196 00:08:55,668 --> 00:08:57,936 We had a situation with our television. 197 00:08:57,938 --> 00:08:59,871 It will just come on in the middle of the night 198 00:08:59,873 --> 00:09:01,873 for no reason. 199 00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:04,009 Was it an electrical problem, do you think? 200 00:09:04,011 --> 00:09:07,278 No, I don't think so. We actually put new wiring in. 201 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:08,413 Okay, anything else? 202 00:09:08,415 --> 00:09:11,649 My boots will slide across the floor on their own. 203 00:09:11,651 --> 00:09:13,718 So how far are these boots actually moving? 204 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,354 Four or five feet. 205 00:09:16,356 --> 00:09:18,189 Josh was saying to me that he's really worried 206 00:09:18,191 --> 00:09:19,691 about both of you. 207 00:09:19,693 --> 00:09:21,793 You ever think about just getting up and leaving? 208 00:09:21,795 --> 00:09:22,761 Yes and no. 209 00:09:22,763 --> 00:09:24,795 How do you sell a house 210 00:09:24,797 --> 00:09:26,831 that could be something wrong with it? 211 00:09:26,833 --> 00:09:28,599 How can you do that to somebody else? 212 00:09:28,601 --> 00:09:31,603 You know, that's the reason you're here. 213 00:09:35,776 --> 00:09:38,909 I'm seeing a living man sitting, 214 00:09:38,911 --> 00:09:43,047 watching this shadow person coming out of the door, 215 00:09:43,049 --> 00:09:46,851 walking through here, walking back. 216 00:09:46,853 --> 00:09:50,254 I think it's the dead shadow man from outside. 217 00:09:50,256 --> 00:09:54,759 He can project this shadow-person form. 218 00:09:54,761 --> 00:09:59,130 He's, like, just flipping out. 219 00:09:59,132 --> 00:10:00,664 I think he's crazy. 220 00:10:00,666 --> 00:10:02,701 He... 221 00:10:02,703 --> 00:10:07,806 doesn't like this place. 222 00:10:07,808 --> 00:10:10,875 There's bitterness about it, 223 00:10:10,877 --> 00:10:13,078 hatred about it. 224 00:10:15,282 --> 00:10:18,649 He says that these living people that done him wrong -- 225 00:10:18,651 --> 00:10:22,486 he said that they're liars, cheats, and whores, 226 00:10:22,488 --> 00:10:26,758 and he has a personal grudge against them. 227 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,295 Do you have any idea how he might act on that? 228 00:10:30,297 --> 00:10:32,863 Definitely getting physical -- 229 00:10:32,865 --> 00:10:36,601 pushing, shoving, possibly choking people. 230 00:10:38,505 --> 00:10:40,138 He hates them. 231 00:10:40,140 --> 00:10:43,575 He wants to hurt them. It's really bad. 232 00:11:05,065 --> 00:11:08,366 So, Beth, obviously, you know that Josh called us in. Yes. 233 00:11:08,368 --> 00:11:09,934 He's pretty convinced that whatever's going on here 234 00:11:09,936 --> 00:11:11,069 is pretty dangerous. 235 00:11:11,071 --> 00:11:12,937 - I totally agree. - Okay. 236 00:11:12,939 --> 00:11:14,939 Josh told me about some pretty scary experience 237 00:11:14,941 --> 00:11:16,807 you had on the staircase. 238 00:11:16,809 --> 00:11:21,212 Yes. I've been shoved down it multiple times. 239 00:11:21,214 --> 00:11:24,315 The first one, I have a picture of what happened. 240 00:11:27,654 --> 00:11:30,188 This is my leg. Geez. 241 00:11:30,190 --> 00:11:32,357 The second time, I went head first. 242 00:11:32,359 --> 00:11:34,492 It was bad. It was very bad. 243 00:11:34,494 --> 00:11:36,628 Ended up in the hospital with a broken neck. 244 00:11:36,630 --> 00:11:37,829 You could have died, you know that? 245 00:11:37,831 --> 00:11:40,598 Yeah, definitely, or been paralyzed. 246 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:41,933 - Right. - Yeah. 247 00:11:44,571 --> 00:11:48,139 I'm getting somebody's falling down. 248 00:11:48,141 --> 00:11:51,309 Somebody's being shoved. 249 00:11:51,311 --> 00:11:55,113 And it feels like they've been shoved or pushed more than once. 250 00:11:55,115 --> 00:11:57,047 Any idea what's causing that? 251 00:11:57,049 --> 00:11:59,317 I think it's that strange creature, 252 00:11:59,319 --> 00:12:02,486 so it can make you feel dizzy, nauseous, 253 00:12:02,488 --> 00:12:04,689 and you could fall down because of that. 254 00:12:07,727 --> 00:12:09,360 Okay, anything else? 255 00:12:09,362 --> 00:12:11,462 The other morning, I just woke up out of the blue 256 00:12:11,464 --> 00:12:14,632 and just threw up all over the place for no reason. 257 00:12:14,634 --> 00:12:17,001 You know, so Josh mentioned to me about your health issues. 258 00:12:17,003 --> 00:12:18,069 What are we talking about here? 259 00:12:18,071 --> 00:12:21,773 I have fibromyalgia. I have a blood disorder. 260 00:12:21,775 --> 00:12:25,410 I have a cyst in my heart called a pericardial cyst. 261 00:12:25,412 --> 00:12:27,479 One in a million get it. 262 00:12:27,481 --> 00:12:28,780 Okay, anything else? 263 00:12:28,782 --> 00:12:32,483 I've seen a smoky brown mist go through the kitchen. 264 00:12:32,485 --> 00:12:34,419 Now, did you ever see anything like that before? 265 00:12:34,421 --> 00:12:36,754 Yes. I've seen a female apparition 266 00:12:36,756 --> 00:12:38,189 going across the kitchen, 267 00:12:38,191 --> 00:12:40,057 probably about five-foot tall. 268 00:12:40,059 --> 00:12:41,292 She was a white lady, 269 00:12:41,294 --> 00:12:43,360 and she had, like, a period gown on. 270 00:12:43,362 --> 00:12:45,129 She was going from room to room. 271 00:12:45,131 --> 00:12:46,297 Now, was this a solid figure 272 00:12:46,299 --> 00:12:47,232 or something you see through? 273 00:12:47,234 --> 00:12:49,067 She was solid. 274 00:12:49,069 --> 00:12:50,634 What do you think whatever's here wants? 275 00:12:50,636 --> 00:12:52,503 I guess me dead. 276 00:12:52,505 --> 00:12:54,772 It sounds horrible, but I really feel that now. 277 00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:56,040 So what's keeping you here? 278 00:12:56,042 --> 00:12:57,842 I guess we worked so hard on this. 279 00:12:57,844 --> 00:12:59,243 We've been here 18 years. 280 00:12:59,245 --> 00:13:00,979 But one more thing, I'm out of here. 281 00:13:00,981 --> 00:13:04,014 It feels -- it's not my home anymore. 282 00:13:10,924 --> 00:13:13,024 Okay, there's a dead woman in here. 283 00:13:14,894 --> 00:13:17,595 She was in a gown of some kind. 284 00:13:17,597 --> 00:13:22,634 She's actually a big, big threat here. 285 00:13:24,170 --> 00:13:26,337 But I don't think anybody knows. 286 00:13:28,140 --> 00:13:31,175 She's sneaky -- very sneaky. 287 00:13:31,177 --> 00:13:33,211 She's being very, very bad, bad. 288 00:13:33,213 --> 00:13:35,145 How exactly? 289 00:13:35,147 --> 00:13:37,882 She's trying to sneak into somebody -- 290 00:13:37,884 --> 00:13:40,251 a living woman, I believe. 291 00:13:40,253 --> 00:13:44,289 She's trying to take over their life. 292 00:13:44,291 --> 00:13:46,490 She's doing it very subtly. 293 00:13:46,492 --> 00:13:48,759 She's been doing this, 294 00:13:48,761 --> 00:13:51,629 and she's able to do it rather successfully 295 00:13:51,631 --> 00:13:53,831 because everyone is distracted 296 00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:58,136 by the other phenomena that's going on here. 297 00:13:58,138 --> 00:14:00,171 Do you have any idea why she's doing that 298 00:14:00,173 --> 00:14:02,340 to this living person? 299 00:14:02,342 --> 00:14:06,611 She wants another life. She wants a fair life. 300 00:14:06,613 --> 00:14:07,645 So what would happen to the living 301 00:14:07,647 --> 00:14:09,580 if she did get inside them? 302 00:14:09,582 --> 00:14:12,317 A lot of behavioral changes with this person. 303 00:14:12,319 --> 00:14:14,218 So I'm worried that the living woman 304 00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:16,654 could think she's gone crazy. 305 00:14:25,732 --> 00:14:27,665 All right, so what's going on up here? 306 00:14:27,667 --> 00:14:29,334 I just feel like the presence here 307 00:14:29,336 --> 00:14:32,003 has just changed our personalities. 308 00:14:32,005 --> 00:14:35,807 Our moods are changing. We fight constantly. 309 00:14:35,809 --> 00:14:38,509 When we enter this room, it gets worse. 310 00:14:38,511 --> 00:14:40,211 Why isn't this just husband-and-wife stuff, 311 00:14:40,213 --> 00:14:42,213 and why is it the paranormal? 312 00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:44,715 When we leave the house, we're fine. 313 00:14:44,717 --> 00:14:46,818 Get back here, we're not in here 10 minutes, 314 00:14:46,820 --> 00:14:50,254 we're at each other. 315 00:14:50,256 --> 00:14:51,756 All right, anything else happening in here? 316 00:14:51,758 --> 00:14:55,359 I've actually felt like someone has gotten in bed with me. 317 00:14:55,361 --> 00:14:57,161 It feels like someone sits down, 318 00:14:57,163 --> 00:14:59,297 and the covers came back. 319 00:14:59,299 --> 00:15:00,698 Does your husband feel it? 320 00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:02,333 No. He is out cold. 321 00:15:02,335 --> 00:15:03,401 What about the dogs? 322 00:15:03,403 --> 00:15:04,535 They don't sleep in my room. 323 00:15:04,537 --> 00:15:07,138 The door's shut. 324 00:15:07,140 --> 00:15:08,572 Okay. How the hell are you sleeping? 325 00:15:08,574 --> 00:15:11,509 I don't sleep. I have horrible insomnia. 326 00:15:11,511 --> 00:15:13,444 I mean, you got a lot going on. 327 00:15:13,446 --> 00:15:15,413 - It is a lot. - Anything else happen? 328 00:15:15,415 --> 00:15:19,616 I wake up to this black, tall figure with red eyes 329 00:15:19,618 --> 00:15:21,785 staring at me, and then it will disappear. 330 00:15:21,787 --> 00:15:23,454 Okay, so how long do you think it's staring at you? 331 00:15:23,456 --> 00:15:24,822 It seems like forever. 332 00:15:24,824 --> 00:15:27,191 Probably 40 seconds or so. 333 00:15:27,193 --> 00:15:29,026 I got to be honest with you -- after listening to you, 334 00:15:29,028 --> 00:15:30,995 I don't know how the hell you're living like this. 335 00:15:30,997 --> 00:15:32,597 It's just very hard. 336 00:15:32,599 --> 00:15:33,931 I know. I know. 337 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,200 What do you do, you know? 338 00:15:36,202 --> 00:15:38,836 If we can help you, we're gonna do our best to do it, okay? 339 00:15:38,838 --> 00:15:40,505 I appreciate that. 340 00:15:44,077 --> 00:15:46,944 I'm seeing a woman being attacked. 341 00:15:49,548 --> 00:15:52,483 I see light hair. 342 00:15:52,485 --> 00:15:57,054 She's yelling, and she's being strangled, 343 00:15:57,056 --> 00:15:59,423 and then crying. 344 00:15:59,425 --> 00:16:03,161 The dead chick sleeps here. 345 00:16:03,163 --> 00:16:04,695 And what kind of experiences 346 00:16:04,697 --> 00:16:06,130 would the living have with her here? 347 00:16:06,132 --> 00:16:10,568 I think that they can feel her in bed with them. 348 00:16:10,570 --> 00:16:11,869 It would make you uncomfortable. 349 00:16:11,871 --> 00:16:14,505 It would make you not be able to sleep. 350 00:16:14,507 --> 00:16:17,575 She wants, I think, to take over the lady 351 00:16:17,577 --> 00:16:19,977 who has the heart problems now. 352 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:21,579 What do you mean by "taking her over"? 353 00:16:21,581 --> 00:16:25,983 Tearing down that person's personality 354 00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:30,454 and putting her own personality into that person's body 355 00:16:30,456 --> 00:16:32,990 and then having a new life. 356 00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:36,260 It's trapping them inside of themselves. 357 00:16:36,262 --> 00:16:38,429 They kind of die in a way then. 358 00:16:51,811 --> 00:16:54,278 You know, just about every property I investigate 359 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,614 has some Native American history, 360 00:16:56,616 --> 00:16:59,150 so most of the time I don't even bother. 361 00:16:59,152 --> 00:17:00,918 But I'm heading over to meet a local professor 362 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,553 who says Beth's property 363 00:17:02,555 --> 00:17:05,022 was the site of an epic and bloody battle, 364 00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:07,058 and I'm definitely gonna want to know about it. 365 00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:18,536 I know this battle happened on my client's land, 366 00:17:18,538 --> 00:17:21,139 so who lived there, and when did this happen? 367 00:17:21,141 --> 00:17:24,909 In 1780 there is a group of Shawnee villages here 368 00:17:24,911 --> 00:17:26,677 called Piqua. Okay. 369 00:17:26,679 --> 00:17:28,980 Your client's property's in that area. 370 00:17:28,982 --> 00:17:30,881 In the long run what will be at stake 371 00:17:30,883 --> 00:17:32,583 will be who controls the region. 372 00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:33,617 What prompted it? 373 00:17:33,619 --> 00:17:34,718 At this point, we're in the middle 374 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,554 of the American Revolutionary War. 375 00:17:36,556 --> 00:17:38,856 The Shawnee were allies of the British. 376 00:17:38,858 --> 00:17:39,957 At the urging of the British, 377 00:17:39,959 --> 00:17:42,427 the Shawnee have been attacking settlements 378 00:17:42,429 --> 00:17:43,994 south of the Ohio River. 379 00:17:43,996 --> 00:17:45,262 All right, so we know how things turned out 380 00:17:45,264 --> 00:17:46,597 for the Indians and the British. 381 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:47,598 So what happened? 382 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,400 Colonel George Rogers Clark organized 383 00:17:50,402 --> 00:17:55,339 a contingent of settlers of about 1,000, 384 00:17:55,341 --> 00:17:58,910 and they drove northward up toward the Shawnee villages. 385 00:17:58,912 --> 00:18:01,345 And the Shawnee decided to make a stand up here 386 00:18:01,347 --> 00:18:03,381 at the villages of Piqua. 387 00:18:03,383 --> 00:18:04,949 Okay, so how bad did the fighting get? 388 00:18:04,951 --> 00:18:07,718 Well, you can get some idea from this illustration. 389 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,420 Both sides have muskets. 390 00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:14,959 They'd have had hand-held weapons like knifes, hand axes, 391 00:18:14,961 --> 00:18:16,761 and Clark also had cannon. 392 00:18:16,763 --> 00:18:19,263 That battle went on for the next few hours, 393 00:18:19,265 --> 00:18:21,131 raged miles into the woods. 394 00:18:21,133 --> 00:18:23,200 So, when all's said and done, what's the final death toll? 395 00:18:23,202 --> 00:18:25,770 Clark wrote a letter to Governor Thomas Jefferson 396 00:18:25,772 --> 00:18:27,839 about two weeks after the battle. 397 00:18:27,841 --> 00:18:29,173 It's right here. 398 00:18:29,175 --> 00:18:33,377 And he said that he lost 14 men, and he had 13 wounded. 399 00:18:33,379 --> 00:18:36,046 He indicated that the Indians had lost 400 00:18:36,048 --> 00:18:38,849 probably three times that number. 401 00:18:38,851 --> 00:18:40,651 For the two days after the battle, 402 00:18:40,653 --> 00:18:42,119 Clark's men stayed around, 403 00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:46,524 and they destroyed 800 or so acres of planted corn. 404 00:18:46,526 --> 00:18:48,292 So the immediate impact on the Shawnee 405 00:18:48,294 --> 00:18:51,062 really is quite enormous and devastating. 406 00:18:51,064 --> 00:18:52,997 Do you have any idea whatever happened to the Shawnee? 407 00:18:52,999 --> 00:18:56,400 Most of the Shawnee ended up out West on reservations. 408 00:18:56,402 --> 00:18:58,135 Okay, so they were displaced and put in a reservation. 409 00:18:58,137 --> 00:18:59,603 That's right, absolutely displaced. 410 00:18:59,605 --> 00:19:01,005 Okay. 411 00:19:03,676 --> 00:19:06,610 That's not good. 412 00:19:06,612 --> 00:19:09,080 I see it's muddy, but it's because 413 00:19:09,082 --> 00:19:13,918 there's blood and guts and pieces of flesh. 414 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,022 Now I know that the land's been cursed. 415 00:19:18,024 --> 00:19:21,158 Can you tell anything about what this curse is from? 416 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,362 It was some kind of massacre or something like that. 417 00:19:24,364 --> 00:19:26,998 It's hard to walk because it's all muddy. 418 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,901 This is symbolic of what this land does 419 00:19:30,903 --> 00:19:34,237 to the living who are here. 420 00:19:34,239 --> 00:19:37,575 You can't move ahead. 421 00:19:37,577 --> 00:19:41,579 You're always gonna fall down, and now even worse, 422 00:19:41,581 --> 00:19:44,248 'cause the creature came into existence 423 00:19:44,250 --> 00:19:49,053 from this land that was cursed. 424 00:19:49,055 --> 00:19:52,323 So it's like a physical manifestation of a curse. 425 00:19:55,328 --> 00:19:57,394 So far, I've got a family under attack 426 00:19:57,396 --> 00:19:59,330 on property where a brutal massacre occurred 427 00:19:59,332 --> 00:20:01,966 between Shawnee warriors and white settlers. 428 00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:05,836 But I want to see if there's anything else. 429 00:20:08,074 --> 00:20:11,008 Searching through old records, I come across Margaret Keifer, 430 00:20:11,010 --> 00:20:13,344 who used to own my client's property. 431 00:20:13,346 --> 00:20:15,479 Turns out she died from a rare condition 432 00:20:15,481 --> 00:20:18,415 that began as a stomachache. 433 00:20:18,417 --> 00:20:20,417 I'm heading over to meet with a local genealogist 434 00:20:20,419 --> 00:20:21,952 who's looking in this for me, 435 00:20:21,954 --> 00:20:25,289 and she says the poor woman suffered a slow, painful death, 436 00:20:25,291 --> 00:20:27,558 and it happened right on Beth's property. 437 00:20:33,499 --> 00:20:35,633 I know one of the previous owners 438 00:20:35,635 --> 00:20:37,668 of my client's property died there. 439 00:20:37,670 --> 00:20:38,803 What can you tell me about her? 440 00:20:38,805 --> 00:20:41,439 That was Margaret Keifer and her husband, George, 441 00:20:41,441 --> 00:20:45,275 and they bought about 465 acres in the area, 442 00:20:45,277 --> 00:20:49,379 including the property where your client is, in 1816. 443 00:20:49,381 --> 00:20:51,481 Okay, so how did it go for them when they got here? 444 00:20:51,483 --> 00:20:53,784 It was pretty unremarkable for their first few years, 445 00:20:53,786 --> 00:20:55,519 but after they lived there for about six years, 446 00:20:55,521 --> 00:20:59,590 Margaret started having really bad stomach pains. Okay. 447 00:20:59,592 --> 00:21:02,326 And she was eventually diagnosed with dyspepsia. 448 00:21:02,328 --> 00:21:04,061 Okay, so what do we know about this illness? 449 00:21:04,063 --> 00:21:05,395 What are the symptoms? 450 00:21:05,397 --> 00:21:09,433 She would have had nausea, vomiting, difficulty eating -- 451 00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:11,402 just extremely painful to the point 452 00:21:11,404 --> 00:21:13,938 where it would become difficult to even breathe. 453 00:21:13,940 --> 00:21:15,339 So I know she winds up dying, 454 00:21:15,341 --> 00:21:16,807 but how long did she suffer? 455 00:21:16,809 --> 00:21:18,975 It probably would have been for at least a few months, 456 00:21:18,977 --> 00:21:22,413 and then she ended up dying eventually in 1822. 457 00:21:22,415 --> 00:21:25,148 She was only 49 at the time. 458 00:21:25,150 --> 00:21:28,485 This is her interment card. 459 00:21:28,487 --> 00:21:29,887 All right, so what do we know about her burial? 460 00:21:29,889 --> 00:21:31,955 Well, at that time period, there was wasn't funeral homes, 461 00:21:31,957 --> 00:21:33,924 so her husband, George, 462 00:21:33,926 --> 00:21:36,894 would have had her wake there at the home, 463 00:21:36,896 --> 00:21:38,763 and then she was buried in a family cemetery 464 00:21:38,765 --> 00:21:41,265 about 1,000 yards from the property. 465 00:21:41,267 --> 00:21:42,633 Okay. 466 00:21:48,041 --> 00:21:50,975 I'm seeing that dead lady again. 467 00:21:50,977 --> 00:21:55,312 She's extremely pale, as if she was frozen. 468 00:21:55,314 --> 00:21:58,783 I feel like she was in her coffin here. 469 00:21:58,785 --> 00:22:02,386 She must have been viewed, so she had to have lived here. 470 00:22:02,388 --> 00:22:07,925 And she got something sick in her stomach -- bad. 471 00:22:07,927 --> 00:22:11,495 Oof. Very bad stomach. 472 00:22:11,497 --> 00:22:17,401 It made her feel like... 473 00:22:17,403 --> 00:22:20,004 It made her feel like she couldn't breathe. 474 00:22:21,374 --> 00:22:23,273 Her diaphragm was compressed. 475 00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:25,743 I think she died here. 476 00:22:35,721 --> 00:22:37,621 For more information about the show, 477 00:22:37,623 --> 00:22:39,222 and if you need us to investigate 478 00:22:39,224 --> 00:22:41,024 unexplained activity in your home... 479 00:22:41,026 --> 00:22:44,628 ...please visit travelchannel.com/thedeadfiles. 480 00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:46,630 Click on "Help Me, Dead Files!" to submit your story, 481 00:22:46,632 --> 00:22:47,531 and we'll help if we can. 482 00:22:55,841 --> 00:22:58,375 Another thing caught my attention in research. 483 00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:01,011 Back in the '90s, there was a brutal double homicide 484 00:23:01,013 --> 00:23:03,214 right down the road from Beth's house. 485 00:23:03,216 --> 00:23:05,115 I'm driving over to meet a true-crime author 486 00:23:05,117 --> 00:23:06,683 who studied this case, 487 00:23:06,685 --> 00:23:10,054 and she says the perp turned out to be a vicious serial killer. 488 00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:17,895 Carol, I appreciate you helping me out with this case. 489 00:23:17,897 --> 00:23:19,463 So, I know this double homicide happened 490 00:23:19,465 --> 00:23:21,198 pretty close to my client's property. 491 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,767 What can you tell me about it? 492 00:23:22,769 --> 00:23:26,537 Okay, on August the 22nd, 1992, 493 00:23:26,539 --> 00:23:31,142 Phree Morrow, 12, and Martha Leach, 11, 494 00:23:31,144 --> 00:23:34,678 went for a walk to a local bakery 495 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,681 and were never seen alive again. 496 00:23:37,683 --> 00:23:40,818 And the next day, two little boys 497 00:23:40,820 --> 00:23:44,421 found their bodies behind the bakery. 498 00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:46,991 This is the headline that was in the paper. 499 00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:51,896 "Girls found slain." Okay. 500 00:23:51,898 --> 00:23:54,265 What kind of a condition did they find these bodies in? 501 00:23:54,267 --> 00:23:57,768 They were found nude, and they were bruised. 502 00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:59,703 They had both bone been sexually abused, 503 00:23:59,705 --> 00:24:01,005 had been raped. 504 00:24:01,007 --> 00:24:02,505 All right, so I know autopsies were done. 505 00:24:02,507 --> 00:24:04,207 What was the official cause of death? 506 00:24:04,209 --> 00:24:07,511 A blunt-force trauma to the head. 507 00:24:07,513 --> 00:24:09,246 Did they recover any other physical evidence 508 00:24:09,248 --> 00:24:10,381 at the scene or near it? 509 00:24:10,383 --> 00:24:11,916 About two blocks from there, 510 00:24:11,918 --> 00:24:14,785 they recovered Phree Morrow's shorts, 511 00:24:14,787 --> 00:24:16,887 and they had been cut off of her 512 00:24:16,889 --> 00:24:19,589 in a very meticulous manner. 513 00:24:19,591 --> 00:24:21,525 All right, so I know they eventually get this guy. 514 00:24:21,527 --> 00:24:22,993 But who was he? 515 00:24:22,995 --> 00:24:24,194 He was William Sapp. 516 00:24:24,196 --> 00:24:25,930 He was 30 years old, 517 00:24:25,932 --> 00:24:29,300 and he lived in Springfield most of his life. 518 00:24:29,302 --> 00:24:31,768 That's him. 519 00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:33,938 If you saw "low-life child molester" 520 00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:35,272 and "killer" in the dictionary, 521 00:24:35,274 --> 00:24:37,141 this guy's photo would pop up. 522 00:24:42,348 --> 00:24:45,282 There's something else that happened here that was... 523 00:24:45,284 --> 00:24:48,051 not good. 524 00:24:48,053 --> 00:24:50,387 I just see a chalk outline. 525 00:24:50,389 --> 00:24:52,289 - Like of a body? - Yeah. 526 00:24:52,291 --> 00:24:54,992 So I'm gonna say possible murder here. 527 00:24:59,899 --> 00:25:03,367 And someone was very happy about it. 528 00:25:03,369 --> 00:25:04,935 He liked to kill things. 529 00:25:04,937 --> 00:25:09,273 Feels good, really good. 530 00:25:09,275 --> 00:25:11,041 All right, so I know they eventually get this guy, 531 00:25:11,043 --> 00:25:13,944 but when and what were the circumstances of it? 532 00:25:13,946 --> 00:25:16,780 Well, in 1996, he attacked a woman, 533 00:25:16,782 --> 00:25:18,449 but she lived. Okay. 534 00:25:18,451 --> 00:25:20,184 And he went to prison for that. 535 00:25:20,186 --> 00:25:23,254 And as a routine, 536 00:25:23,256 --> 00:25:26,723 they did a DNA test on him. Okay. 537 00:25:26,725 --> 00:25:29,793 And it came back positive match to Phree and Martha. 538 00:25:29,795 --> 00:25:33,063 So they confronted him with the DNA result 539 00:25:33,065 --> 00:25:36,400 and he confessed not only to Phree and Martha 540 00:25:36,402 --> 00:25:38,102 but with some other cases 541 00:25:38,104 --> 00:25:40,404 that were unsolved in Springfield. 542 00:25:40,406 --> 00:25:41,405 Did he brag about anything? 543 00:25:41,407 --> 00:25:43,073 'Cause I know they love to brag. 544 00:25:43,075 --> 00:25:45,542 Well, in the confession, he talked about 545 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:49,280 slowly cutting a woman's jeans with a scalpel 546 00:25:49,282 --> 00:25:51,147 and he talked about it being like 547 00:25:51,149 --> 00:25:53,550 opening Christmas presents -- 548 00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:58,155 doing it very slowly and enjoying it, savoring it. 549 00:25:58,157 --> 00:26:00,523 So I assume this sicko got convicted? 550 00:26:00,525 --> 00:26:03,928 He was found guilty of all the charges against him, 551 00:26:03,930 --> 00:26:08,432 and he received three death sentences. 552 00:26:08,434 --> 00:26:11,902 He's been on death row since 1999. 553 00:26:15,374 --> 00:26:20,210 I feel like this killer has done this before. 554 00:26:20,212 --> 00:26:21,645 Does he interact with the living? 555 00:26:21,647 --> 00:26:24,247 Yes. He is... 556 00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:28,152 very capable of getting inside a person. 557 00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:33,457 So, what would happen to the living 558 00:26:33,459 --> 00:26:36,026 if he did get inside them? 559 00:26:36,028 --> 00:26:38,061 Well, he kind of makes you want to, like, 560 00:26:38,063 --> 00:26:41,698 stab people and do harm. 561 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:47,071 He likes to make people try to hurt themselves. 562 00:26:47,073 --> 00:26:48,906 This is weird. 563 00:26:48,908 --> 00:26:51,208 I don't like it. 564 00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:53,277 I don't feel good. 565 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:54,678 Are you okay? 566 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,848 It makes me sick, physically, 567 00:26:57,850 --> 00:26:59,215 like I want to vomit. 568 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,828 I saw several horrifying things during my walk, 569 00:27:10,830 --> 00:27:12,829 but two stood out -- 570 00:27:12,831 --> 00:27:17,167 first, the curse manifestation attacking a living person. 571 00:27:17,169 --> 00:27:21,038 There's, like, a little being. 572 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,840 It's about, like, two feet tall. 573 00:27:23,842 --> 00:27:26,577 Its head is kind of flat. 574 00:27:26,579 --> 00:27:30,581 The eyes are, like, gelatinous. 575 00:27:30,583 --> 00:27:33,183 At one point, I saw it attacking -- 576 00:27:33,185 --> 00:27:35,318 I believe it was a male. 577 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:40,391 But the guy had his back to me and this thing was, like... 578 00:27:40,393 --> 00:27:42,326 Next, I described the dead woman 579 00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:44,861 laying in bed with a living person. 580 00:27:44,863 --> 00:27:50,467 In the center of this large bed is a coffin. 581 00:27:50,469 --> 00:27:51,735 There was no lid, 582 00:27:51,737 --> 00:27:54,271 and she's wearing a wedding gown. 583 00:27:58,644 --> 00:28:00,610 Amy, is this what you saw? 584 00:28:00,612 --> 00:28:01,745 Yes. 585 00:28:22,801 --> 00:28:25,602 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 586 00:28:25,604 --> 00:28:27,671 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 587 00:28:27,673 --> 00:28:30,774 and our clients for the first time. 588 00:28:30,776 --> 00:28:34,077 So, Amy, I'd like you to meet Josh and his mother, Beth. 589 00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:35,612 Josh grew up in this house 590 00:28:35,614 --> 00:28:38,115 and had all kinds of experiences while he was here. 591 00:28:38,117 --> 00:28:41,184 But now that he's moved out, the activity has turned violent. 592 00:28:41,186 --> 00:28:43,286 Josh called us in because he doesn't think it's safe 593 00:28:43,288 --> 00:28:44,688 for his mom to be here, 594 00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:46,557 and if we can't find a way to fix it, 595 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,558 he thinks this house is gonna kill her. 596 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,961 So now that Amy knows who you guys are, 597 00:28:50,963 --> 00:28:52,696 I'll ask her to describe her walk for us. 598 00:28:55,167 --> 00:28:59,803 I came into contact with a creepy male. 599 00:28:59,805 --> 00:29:02,372 I can absolutely say that he was disturbed, 600 00:29:02,374 --> 00:29:04,441 crazy, and evil. 601 00:29:04,443 --> 00:29:08,311 Possibly this male had murdered somebody here. 602 00:29:08,313 --> 00:29:11,114 I was able to feel how he felt 603 00:29:11,116 --> 00:29:14,517 when he committed this crime, 604 00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:17,020 and he felt awesome. 605 00:29:17,022 --> 00:29:21,992 This individual really enjoyed killing. 606 00:29:21,994 --> 00:29:26,330 I was getting that he had killed before this murder. 607 00:29:26,332 --> 00:29:28,665 Possibly he killed after this murder. 608 00:29:28,667 --> 00:29:30,167 I was like, this guy, to me, 609 00:29:30,169 --> 00:29:32,936 felt like a wannabe, like, Ed Gein, 610 00:29:32,938 --> 00:29:35,572 who was a serial killer. 611 00:29:35,574 --> 00:29:37,741 My gosh. 612 00:29:37,743 --> 00:29:40,010 I got a pretty good idea who she's talking about. 613 00:29:40,012 --> 00:29:41,678 His name is William Sapp. 614 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,146 He's a local guy who lived here 615 00:29:43,148 --> 00:29:44,548 most of his life in this area. 616 00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:48,218 He's also a serial killer. 617 00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:50,687 August 22nd, 1992, 618 00:29:50,689 --> 00:29:53,957 Sapp killed a couple of young girls not far from here. 619 00:29:53,959 --> 00:29:56,560 The victims were a 12-year-old and her 11-year-old friend. 620 00:29:56,562 --> 00:29:58,896 Both girls were killed with blunt-force trauma to the head. 621 00:29:58,898 --> 00:30:01,031 Both girls, during the investigation, 622 00:30:01,033 --> 00:30:03,400 had been shown they were sexually assaulted. 623 00:30:03,402 --> 00:30:05,068 My God. 624 00:30:05,070 --> 00:30:08,504 I actually got a newspaper article. 625 00:30:08,506 --> 00:30:10,373 Now, you talk about how happy this guy was 626 00:30:10,375 --> 00:30:11,675 when he was killing. 627 00:30:11,677 --> 00:30:13,243 The expert I talked to said Sapp had a bizarre way 628 00:30:13,245 --> 00:30:15,111 of taking his victims' pants off. 629 00:30:15,113 --> 00:30:18,114 He would cut each stitch individually with a scalpel 630 00:30:18,116 --> 00:30:20,116 so that he could take his time and enjoy it. 631 00:30:20,118 --> 00:30:22,585 I could see that. 632 00:30:22,587 --> 00:30:24,654 So, this sick bastard eventually confessed 633 00:30:24,656 --> 00:30:27,691 and got three death sentences. 634 00:30:27,693 --> 00:30:31,060 Now, I got a photo of Sapp. 635 00:30:31,062 --> 00:30:32,996 So, could this be the guy you saw? 636 00:30:32,998 --> 00:30:35,298 Yes. 637 00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:38,068 You just want to get your hands on somebody. 638 00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:39,369 So let me ask you a question. 639 00:30:39,371 --> 00:30:42,139 Would our clients experience him in any way? 640 00:30:42,141 --> 00:30:44,741 Well, when I first encountered his energy, 641 00:30:44,743 --> 00:30:48,745 I felt disgusted, like I wanted to vomit. 642 00:30:48,747 --> 00:30:50,347 We talked about you being nauseous. 643 00:30:50,349 --> 00:30:51,748 Yeah, all the time. 644 00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:54,484 I mean, for months, nonstop. 645 00:30:54,486 --> 00:30:57,053 I feel he could get inside of someone 646 00:30:57,055 --> 00:31:01,024 and possibly influence them to do bad things. 647 00:31:01,026 --> 00:31:02,892 Have you ever felt anything like that? 648 00:31:02,894 --> 00:31:05,329 I snap really easy -- really easy -- 649 00:31:05,331 --> 00:31:07,597 which never did before. 650 00:31:10,636 --> 00:31:12,969 When I went to the backyard area, 651 00:31:12,971 --> 00:31:16,673 it was really hard to walk. 652 00:31:16,675 --> 00:31:19,042 I see it's muddy, but it's because 653 00:31:19,044 --> 00:31:23,614 there's blood and guts and pieces of flesh. 654 00:31:23,616 --> 00:31:27,317 Now I know that the land's been cursed. 655 00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:30,921 Obviously, there must have been some kind of massacre. 656 00:31:30,923 --> 00:31:32,055 It's not a lot to go on, 657 00:31:32,057 --> 00:31:33,923 but massacre kind of caught my attention. 658 00:31:33,925 --> 00:31:36,059 Now, this land was the site of a bloody battle 659 00:31:36,061 --> 00:31:38,595 that took place during the Revolutionary War. 660 00:31:38,597 --> 00:31:39,930 During that time, this area 661 00:31:39,932 --> 00:31:42,799 was a Shawnee Indian village known as Piqua. 662 00:31:42,801 --> 00:31:44,167 The Shawnee saw white settlers 663 00:31:44,169 --> 00:31:46,002 as a threat to their control of the land, 664 00:31:46,004 --> 00:31:49,072 so they traveled around attacking the settlements. 665 00:31:49,074 --> 00:31:50,606 Now, by 1780, the settlers 666 00:31:50,608 --> 00:31:52,342 and the colonial government had enough, 667 00:31:52,344 --> 00:31:53,977 so a guy named Colonel George Clark 668 00:31:53,979 --> 00:31:55,145 mobilized a group -- 669 00:31:55,147 --> 00:31:58,748 over 1,000 revolutionaries and militia. 670 00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:02,119 Clark's men stormed the Shawnee village at Piqua. 671 00:32:02,121 --> 00:32:05,455 Even by conservative estimates, the body count was big. 672 00:32:05,457 --> 00:32:07,424 Clark said he lost at least 14 men, 673 00:32:07,426 --> 00:32:09,959 and the Shawnee lost at least triple that. 674 00:32:09,961 --> 00:32:10,893 So we're looking at a minimum 675 00:32:10,895 --> 00:32:13,930 of about 56 dead right here in this area. 676 00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:15,699 Now, before Clark's men left the area, 677 00:32:15,701 --> 00:32:18,034 they burnt 800 acres of crops, 678 00:32:18,036 --> 00:32:20,937 basically destroying all the Shawnees' food supply... Geez! 679 00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:22,506 ...so they couldn't come back here and live here. 680 00:32:22,508 --> 00:32:25,108 Then the Native Americans put a curse 681 00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:29,446 because they kind of got **** every which way. 682 00:32:29,448 --> 00:32:32,048 So, how does this curse affect these guys? 683 00:32:32,050 --> 00:32:36,252 It manifested somehow into a conscious entity. 684 00:32:36,254 --> 00:32:40,323 It actually took on a physical form. 685 00:32:40,325 --> 00:32:43,560 I've not encountered this before. 686 00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:45,195 That curse -- 687 00:32:45,197 --> 00:32:50,000 it's working with two other entities. 688 00:32:50,002 --> 00:32:52,536 The first one that it's working with 689 00:32:52,538 --> 00:32:56,139 is an actual shadow person. 690 00:32:56,141 --> 00:32:59,375 The second one was a deceased male 691 00:32:59,377 --> 00:33:00,877 who used to live here. 692 00:33:00,879 --> 00:33:04,080 Basically, all three of them are working against you guys. 693 00:33:04,082 --> 00:33:05,648 My God! 694 00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:07,083 And I think there are several ways 695 00:33:07,085 --> 00:33:08,785 that you would experience them. 696 00:33:08,787 --> 00:33:12,889 The first thing is that you would see shadow people. 697 00:33:12,891 --> 00:33:15,525 Tell Amy about the shadow figures you've seen. 698 00:33:15,527 --> 00:33:17,994 I was upstairs one night, and I saw this thing 699 00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:20,630 that looked like a very tall, skinny man. 700 00:33:20,632 --> 00:33:24,301 Upstairs I see a tall shadow -- dark black -- 701 00:33:24,303 --> 00:33:26,169 and it, like, hangs in the corner. 702 00:33:26,171 --> 00:33:28,304 And I just saw that a couple nights ago, 703 00:33:28,306 --> 00:33:32,209 and it was, like, standing over my husband. 704 00:33:32,211 --> 00:33:36,380 These three also create serious anxiety issues. 705 00:33:36,382 --> 00:33:38,648 I have horrible anxiety now. 706 00:33:38,650 --> 00:33:42,185 It just pisses me off. 707 00:33:42,187 --> 00:33:44,788 The curse manifestation is also capable 708 00:33:44,790 --> 00:33:48,391 of being very physical with the living. 709 00:33:48,393 --> 00:33:50,427 It can push, shove, and choke. 710 00:33:50,429 --> 00:33:53,730 I saw that it was shoving a living person down. 711 00:33:53,732 --> 00:33:56,032 This has happened multiple times. 712 00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:58,668 Well, this is the main reason Josh called us in. 713 00:33:58,670 --> 00:34:02,405 Beth has been pushed down the stairs several times. 714 00:34:02,407 --> 00:34:05,142 I got a photo of one of the times. 715 00:34:05,144 --> 00:34:07,811 This is her leg. 716 00:34:07,813 --> 00:34:08,878 Believe it or not, though, 717 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,680 this time wasn't the worst of it. 718 00:34:10,682 --> 00:34:12,115 Tell her about what happened to your neck. 719 00:34:12,117 --> 00:34:14,150 I was shoved down the stairs, 720 00:34:14,152 --> 00:34:15,819 and I broke my neck. 721 00:34:15,821 --> 00:34:17,354 What?! 722 00:34:17,356 --> 00:34:19,756 You broke your neck? 723 00:34:19,758 --> 00:34:21,024 - Yeah. Had surgery. - What?! 724 00:34:21,026 --> 00:34:22,959 I was lucky I wasn't paralyzed. 725 00:34:22,961 --> 00:34:27,297 I had slivers of bone into my spinal column. 726 00:34:30,101 --> 00:34:32,969 All right, so two of these things look like shadows. 727 00:34:32,971 --> 00:34:35,438 Did you get a good look at the original curse thing? 728 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,509 I had a sketch done of the curse manifestation 729 00:34:39,511 --> 00:34:41,310 attacking a person. 730 00:34:50,923 --> 00:34:54,257 My gosh. 731 00:34:54,259 --> 00:34:57,761 Josh got attacked when he was here as a younger man. 732 00:34:57,763 --> 00:35:00,530 I was upstairs, and I was just getting ready 733 00:35:00,532 --> 00:35:03,433 to shut my eyes, and someone just slapped me. 734 00:35:03,435 --> 00:35:05,936 I went into the bathroom and looked, 735 00:35:05,938 --> 00:35:07,871 and three little marks, like, right here 736 00:35:07,873 --> 00:35:10,206 on the side of my face where somebody hit me. 737 00:35:10,208 --> 00:35:14,111 It's weird 'cause that thing only had three fingers. 738 00:35:14,113 --> 00:35:15,478 My God. 739 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,581 Just want to strangle them. That's all you want to do. 740 00:35:17,583 --> 00:35:20,483 I just can't believe that this is here. 741 00:35:24,289 --> 00:35:26,022 Okay, anything else? 742 00:35:26,024 --> 00:35:27,824 Then there's one more, 743 00:35:27,826 --> 00:35:31,161 and this next person is super sneaky. 744 00:35:31,163 --> 00:35:35,098 The things I got about her are she did live here 745 00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:36,899 I think in the '20s. 746 00:35:36,901 --> 00:35:41,271 She was extremely sad, very depressed -- 747 00:35:41,273 --> 00:35:43,606 very depressed during her life. 748 00:35:43,608 --> 00:35:46,776 And she is miserable now in death. 749 00:35:46,778 --> 00:35:49,646 She had nice dark-brown hair. 750 00:35:49,648 --> 00:35:53,316 She was wearing what looked like a gown of some sort. 751 00:35:53,318 --> 00:35:56,018 I see a lady in a white gown. 752 00:35:56,020 --> 00:35:58,989 I see her go through the kitchen. 753 00:36:00,392 --> 00:36:04,327 When I first saw her, she was laying in this coffin. 754 00:36:04,329 --> 00:36:07,196 Then I got that she had died from some kind of illness, 755 00:36:07,198 --> 00:36:08,565 possibly with the stomach. 756 00:36:08,567 --> 00:36:10,866 It took her a long time to die. 757 00:36:10,868 --> 00:36:13,936 It made it extremely painful to breathe. 758 00:36:13,938 --> 00:36:16,673 I felt very much that she probably died here. 759 00:36:16,675 --> 00:36:17,841 And the coffin -- 760 00:36:17,843 --> 00:36:19,576 because she's so attached to the coffin -- 761 00:36:19,578 --> 00:36:22,612 I felt like she was displayed here. 762 00:36:22,614 --> 00:36:24,347 A few things you mentioned made me think of a woman 763 00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:25,748 who used to live on the property. 764 00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:27,884 Now, her name was Margaret Keifer. 765 00:36:27,886 --> 00:36:30,620 She moved here with her family in 1816. 766 00:36:30,622 --> 00:36:32,088 Now, you said she was a woman 767 00:36:32,090 --> 00:36:34,157 that might have died from a stomach illness. Yes. 768 00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:36,993 Well, after just a few years of living here, 769 00:36:36,995 --> 00:36:38,527 Margaret got really sick. 770 00:36:38,529 --> 00:36:41,431 I mean, she suffered from an infected ulcer in her stomach 771 00:36:41,433 --> 00:36:43,900 and eventually got diagnosed with dyspepsia. 772 00:36:43,902 --> 00:36:46,603 The expert I talked to said it's a pretty miserable condition. 773 00:36:46,605 --> 00:36:48,438 Basically, she would have suffered from stomach pains, 774 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,240 nausea, vomiting, 775 00:36:50,242 --> 00:36:52,575 trouble eating and even breathing. 776 00:36:52,577 --> 00:36:55,311 Now, she died from that illness in 1822, 777 00:36:55,313 --> 00:36:56,946 and she was only 49 years old. 778 00:36:56,948 --> 00:36:59,381 Now, back then there were no funeral parlors, obviously, 779 00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:03,353 and they displayed her in the house. 780 00:37:03,355 --> 00:37:04,654 Now, is it possible Margaret Keifer 781 00:37:04,656 --> 00:37:06,122 is woman you might have seen? 782 00:37:06,124 --> 00:37:08,057 Yes. 783 00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:10,260 Now, you said you were worried about this woman. Why? 784 00:37:10,262 --> 00:37:13,329 The ways that she actually is affecting you 785 00:37:13,331 --> 00:37:18,601 is she likes to get into bed with the living people. 786 00:37:18,603 --> 00:37:20,936 I saw it in the big bedroom upstairs, 787 00:37:20,938 --> 00:37:23,606 and I thought that the living people would feel this. 788 00:37:23,608 --> 00:37:25,875 When she does it, it would make you uncomfortable 789 00:37:25,877 --> 00:37:29,145 and hard for you to sleep. 790 00:37:29,147 --> 00:37:33,349 I actually have felt someone sit on the side of my bed 791 00:37:33,351 --> 00:37:35,552 and pull my covers back. 792 00:37:35,554 --> 00:37:37,921 Like, I'm afraid to roll over. 793 00:37:39,224 --> 00:37:42,292 I had a sketch done of the dead woman 794 00:37:42,294 --> 00:37:44,894 in her coffin in your bed. 795 00:37:47,899 --> 00:37:50,166 Geez. 796 00:37:50,168 --> 00:37:51,634 I don't even want to show you this. 797 00:37:55,107 --> 00:37:59,109 My gosh. 798 00:37:59,111 --> 00:38:01,077 So that's why I don't sleep. 799 00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:01,978 What does she want from Beth? 800 00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:04,213 Her goal is to 801 00:38:04,215 --> 00:38:07,717 take over the living woman in this house. 802 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,853 - Why? - She hated her life. 803 00:38:10,855 --> 00:38:13,389 She wants to create a new life for herself. 804 00:38:13,391 --> 00:38:15,892 What she's currently doing, and has been doing, 805 00:38:15,894 --> 00:38:19,963 is slowly chipping away at elements of you 806 00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:23,265 and replacing them more with elements of herself. 807 00:38:23,267 --> 00:38:25,769 She's chipping away? What better way to do it? 808 00:38:25,771 --> 00:38:27,937 In the short term, you might experience, 809 00:38:27,939 --> 00:38:29,605 or other people might perceive, like, 810 00:38:29,607 --> 00:38:32,208 some small personality changes, behavioral changes. 811 00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:34,243 Then you might think you're kind of going nuts. 812 00:38:34,245 --> 00:38:37,880 This can bring on depression, self-destructive thoughts. 813 00:38:37,882 --> 00:38:39,615 It just really upsets me, 814 00:38:39,617 --> 00:38:42,352 I mean, 'cause my whole personality has changed. 815 00:38:42,354 --> 00:38:44,220 I mean, I'm, like, depressed. 816 00:38:44,222 --> 00:38:46,489 Pisses me off. 817 00:38:46,491 --> 00:38:48,390 The thing that's scary -- 818 00:38:48,392 --> 00:38:52,095 she would like to reduce your personality 819 00:38:52,097 --> 00:38:54,764 down to the bare minimum 820 00:38:54,766 --> 00:38:58,568 and take over your body. 821 00:38:58,570 --> 00:39:03,540 I knew something was bad, but not this bad. 822 00:39:03,542 --> 00:39:06,709 I think it's horrible. That's just horrible. 823 00:39:23,244 --> 00:39:24,577 So, Josh, you called us in 824 00:39:24,579 --> 00:39:26,179 because you thought your mother was in danger here. 825 00:39:26,181 --> 00:39:28,314 And after what Amy told us tonight, 826 00:39:28,316 --> 00:39:29,449 looks like the situation here 827 00:39:29,451 --> 00:39:31,651 is even worse than what we thought. 828 00:39:31,653 --> 00:39:33,953 Now it's time to answer the big question -- 829 00:39:33,955 --> 00:39:35,721 is there any way to fix this 830 00:39:35,723 --> 00:39:37,957 so your mom and dad can stay here safely, 831 00:39:37,959 --> 00:39:40,994 or should they just pack up and get the hell out while they can? 832 00:39:40,996 --> 00:39:42,929 So, for that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 833 00:39:46,033 --> 00:39:50,170 First thing is to bring in a male medium 834 00:39:50,172 --> 00:39:52,805 to move the dead woman on. 835 00:39:52,807 --> 00:39:55,441 All right, you're talking about Margaret Keifer? Yes. 836 00:39:55,443 --> 00:39:59,779 The medium must call on her dead relatives 837 00:39:59,781 --> 00:40:01,714 to come and remove her. 838 00:40:01,716 --> 00:40:04,049 But why do the dead relatives 839 00:40:04,051 --> 00:40:05,384 have to come to get this lady? 840 00:40:05,386 --> 00:40:09,722 Because once she sees them again, 841 00:40:09,724 --> 00:40:12,225 it's going to make her feel happiness, 842 00:40:12,227 --> 00:40:17,363 and she hasn't felt that in a very long time. 843 00:40:17,365 --> 00:40:18,898 Once this has been done, 844 00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:22,068 you will feel better physically. 845 00:40:22,070 --> 00:40:25,838 All right. Now, what can they do to get rid of this thing? 846 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,473 For the curse manifestation, 847 00:40:27,475 --> 00:40:30,376 a Shawnee descendent would have to come 848 00:40:30,378 --> 00:40:33,646 and remove the curse and bless the land. 849 00:40:33,648 --> 00:40:37,716 This is the only way to truly dissolve 850 00:40:37,718 --> 00:40:40,519 that curse manifestation. 851 00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:42,421 But here's some good news. 852 00:40:42,423 --> 00:40:46,192 The shadow man was not directly related to this house. 853 00:40:46,194 --> 00:40:48,928 He will leave with the curse manifestation 854 00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:51,331 to try to find another victim, 855 00:40:51,333 --> 00:40:56,736 so there will be much less physical phenomena, if any. 856 00:40:56,738 --> 00:40:59,271 All right, will the other dead guy working with them go, too? 857 00:40:59,273 --> 00:41:02,809 Correct. Yes. 858 00:41:02,811 --> 00:41:04,277 That's incredible. 859 00:41:04,279 --> 00:41:06,079 What about this man? 860 00:41:06,081 --> 00:41:08,148 He was only here because I was here. 861 00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:10,049 He'll leave once we're gone. 862 00:41:10,051 --> 00:41:12,418 Okay. That's good. 863 00:41:12,420 --> 00:41:14,253 That's awesome. 864 00:41:14,255 --> 00:41:16,823 It sounds like you got a game plan. Yeah. 865 00:41:16,825 --> 00:41:19,592 I got to ask -- are you gonna take Amy's advice? 866 00:41:19,594 --> 00:41:21,627 No doubt about it. I have to do it. 867 00:41:21,629 --> 00:41:25,297 I want a life back. I want to feel better. 868 00:41:25,299 --> 00:41:29,535 - It's gonna get done. - Thank you. 869 00:41:29,537 --> 00:41:31,171 It's going to take some work, 870 00:41:31,173 --> 00:41:33,573 but if Josh and Beth contact a medium 871 00:41:33,575 --> 00:41:35,308 and a Shawnee descendent, 872 00:41:35,310 --> 00:41:39,378 they can remove the dead and banish the curse manifestation. 873 00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:42,381 Once they're gone, Beth will begin to feel better, 874 00:41:42,383 --> 00:41:45,551 and this family can find the peace they deserve. 875 00:41:45,601 --> 00:41:50,151 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 67109

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