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This little thing
comes out from the earth.
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The land's been cursed.
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Something's really
going after my mom.
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Things are getting
pretty violent.
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He liked to kill things.
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He killed
at least six women.
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It makes me sick,
physically.
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I broke my neck.
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What?!
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There will only be
darkness here.
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Panic, panic, panic.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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I'm seeing, like, blood.
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The house just feels bad.
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I see dead people.
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This man is completely insane.
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I speak to dead people.
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Okay, she doesn't
like it in there.
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And they speak to me.
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He likes to twist that knife.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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Something paranormal
is trying to kill them.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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Now, does he die right
there on the spot?
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I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I think it's trying
to steal my soul.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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You ever get touched
like that again?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end...
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I'm as stunned
as you guys are.
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...when we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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I don't want anything to
happen to my daughter.
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...or time to get out.
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His goal is to kill you guys.
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I'm in Springfield, Ohio.
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It's about 30 minutes
outside of Dayton.
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So, I got a call from
a young guy named Josh.
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Now, he says
the house he grew up in
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was a paranormal war zone.
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He got out, but his parents
are still there and won't leave.
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He said Amy and I need to either
fix this or convince them to go.
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Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the house
of any leading information.
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Photographs, antiques,
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even pieces of furniture
can influence her findings,
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so it's important that
I cover or remove them all.
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When I'm finished,
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the location will be ready
for tonight's walk.
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Lots of negativity
back in here.
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You can feel it.
It comes right into your gut.
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I don't think
this is a good place
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for a living person to be.
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They are trying to get ahead
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or trying to fulfill
wishes or dreams,
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but the land won't let you.
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And I heard the dead guy say
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there will only be
darkness here for them.
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So, Josh,
when we spoke on the phone,
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you made it sound like things
were pretty bad in this house.
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What the hell's going on?
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Something's really
going after my mom.
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Things are getting
pretty violent,
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especially towards her,
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and I have a feeling that
if we don't solve this soon,
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it's gonna get really bad.
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Does your mom realize
the kind of danger she's in?
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I think she does now.
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Then how come
she didn't call us in?
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There's a point where
your parents take care of you in your life,
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and there's a point
where you return the favor.
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- So I know you moved out.
- Yes.
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So who's living
in the house now?
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My mom and dad.
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So, I assume you growing up
here, you had experiences?
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Yeah. Things would happen
you couldn't explain,
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and just kind of
had to deal with them.
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Do me a favor and give
me a list of what's happening in the house.
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Things like objects
move on their own,
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footsteps, voices,
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shadows and apparitions,
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and then there's been times
where things will get physical.
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Okay, so when you say
"physical," give me an example.
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My mom's been pushed
down the stairs.
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I've seen people die
from falling eight feet --
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you know,
breaking their neck.
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Her neck
was actually broken.
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I literally watched
her torso go forward
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ahead of her feet,
ahead of her head, everything,
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and just -- bam! --
comes crashing down.
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So, what all is going on?
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How's your mom
dealing with it?
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It's just causing
a lot of stress,
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having several health issues
that are unexplainable.
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Why do you think your mother's
health problems are paranormal?
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It's unexplainable.
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Doctors will see some sort
of medical condition
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and say, "You're that
one-in-a-million case."
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It's just gotten worse
and worse and worse.
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And, now, how old is mom?
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Mom is 50.
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So she's still
a young woman.
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Yes. I think something here
kind of has its own agenda.
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My mom's the target,
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and I think it just kind of
takes pleasure in abusing her.
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So, one of the main things
that's here
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originated from out there.
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This little thing
comes out from the earth.
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It has a weird, long neck,
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really skinny arms
that are always up.
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It just has, like,
big round blobs for eyes,
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like white blobs.
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How might the living here
experience this thing?
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I think that the living would
feel this fear and this anxiety.
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There's a living female here
who has heart trouble
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directly related
to the land thing.
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It's always, like, kind of
growling and snorting.
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It's always making
disgusting sounds.
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It can go anywhere it wants.
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It's physical.
It can do physical harm.
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Then I saw
these two shadow people
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standing up by the trees.
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So, one shadow person --
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it was actually
a living person at one time.
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The other one is a shadow man.
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I think they're both connected
to this strange creature.
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This isn't good.
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All right, so Josh,
I assume this was your room?
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Yeah. Yeah, this was
the room I grew up in. Okay.
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So let's get to some of
the experiences you had
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when you were growing up.
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I saw a shadow at the stairs
that lead up here,
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flipped on the light,
and I looked down.
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I saw my shadow,
and then I saw
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this little bit taller,
skinnier figure
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and it was black --
I mean, absolutely black.
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I took off after it when
it moved away from the wall,
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started flipping lights
the whole way through the house,
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and there was nothing.
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Were you home alone?
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No. My parents
were upstairs asleep.
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Okay, so there was nobody
downstairs, though?
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- No.
- All right, anything else?
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There was a presence
one night,
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and it felt like something
literally came up behind me.
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I was sitting down,
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and you could just feel it
breathing down your neck.
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This breathing
that you felt -- I mean,
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did you get a sense
of what it could have been?
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Was it a man, woman?
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I honestly have no clue.
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It was bad, for sure.
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Is there anything else?
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I was almost asleep,
and someone slapped me.
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I felt somebody slap
the left side of my face.
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How hard of a slap?
Show me.
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Just...
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- Across your face?
- Yeah.
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Did you think
you were dreaming or...
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That's kind of
what I thought
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until I walked
into the bathroom
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and I saw the just --
they were faint,
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but there were finger marks,
like, right here.
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This is some
pretty serious stuff.
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My biggest concern
is one day I'll get a call
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my mom and dad
were seriously hurt, or worse.
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I mean,
it's just bad here.
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Whatever's causing the problem,
I want it out.
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All right.
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This strange creature
is very dangerous,
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and I did see it
grabbing somebody in bed,
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and I thought maybe
it was a teenage boy,
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and he's getting hurt,
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and he's getting hit
really hard on their upper back,
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to the point
where it's like, "- "
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I'm getting, like, really dizzy.
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I'm scared,
and I just feel fear.
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I feel like something
in here is being strangled.
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So, Collin, I was
talking to your son, Josh,
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and he's concerned that
something in this house
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is going after your wife.
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I mean, do you agree
with that at all?
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Yeah. She's not doing
as well as she used to.
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We've been to --
I don't know --
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every doctor
that you can think of.
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Do you think this house
is causing that?
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Something's causing it,
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so it could be
very possible.
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You know, you don't want
your wife to be sick,
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and you don't want
your wife to be
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waking up in the middle
of the night screaming.
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What about experiences?
Have you had anything?
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We had a situation
with our television.
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It will just come on
in the middle of the night
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for no reason.
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Was it an electrical
problem, do you think?
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No, I don't think so.
We actually put new wiring in.
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Okay, anything else?
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My boots will slide across
the floor on their own.
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So how far are these boots
actually moving?
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Four or five feet.
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Josh was saying to me
that he's really worried
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about both of you.
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You ever think about
just getting up and leaving?
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Yes and no.
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How do you sell a house
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that could be
something wrong with it?
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How can you do that
to somebody else?
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You know, that's
the reason you're here.
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I'm seeing a living man sitting,
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watching this shadow person
coming out of the door,
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walking through here,
walking back.
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I think it's the dead shadow man
from outside.
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He can project
this shadow-person form.
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He's, like, just flipping out.
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I think he's crazy.
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He...
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doesn't like this place.
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There's bitterness about it,
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hatred about it.
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He says that these living people
that done him wrong --
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he said that they're liars,
cheats, and whores,
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and he has a personal grudge
against them.
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Do you have any idea
how he might act on that?
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Definitely getting physical --
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pushing, shoving,
possibly choking people.
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He hates them.
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He wants to hurt them.
It's really bad.
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So, Beth, obviously, you know
that Josh called us in. Yes.
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He's pretty convinced
that whatever's going on here
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is pretty dangerous.
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- I totally agree.
- Okay.
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Josh told me about
some pretty scary experience
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you had on the staircase.
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Yes. I've been shoved down it
multiple times.
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The first one, I have
a picture of what happened.
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This is my leg.
Geez.
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The second time,
I went head first.
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It was bad.
It was very bad.
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Ended up in the hospital
with a broken neck.
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You could have died,
you know that?
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Yeah, definitely,
or been paralyzed.
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- Right.
- Yeah.
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I'm getting
somebody's falling down.
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Somebody's being shoved.
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And it feels like they've been
shoved or pushed more than once.
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Any idea
what's causing that?
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I think it's
that strange creature,
252
00:11:59,319 --> 00:12:02,486
so it can make you feel
dizzy, nauseous,
253
00:12:02,488 --> 00:12:04,689
and you could fall down
because of that.
254
00:12:07,727 --> 00:12:09,360
Okay, anything else?
255
00:12:09,362 --> 00:12:11,462
The other morning,
I just woke up out of the blue
256
00:12:11,464 --> 00:12:14,632
and just threw up all over
the place for no reason.
257
00:12:14,634 --> 00:12:17,001
You know, so Josh mentioned
to me about your health issues.
258
00:12:17,003 --> 00:12:18,069
What are we
talking about here?
259
00:12:18,071 --> 00:12:21,773
I have fibromyalgia.
I have a blood disorder.
260
00:12:21,775 --> 00:12:25,410
I have a cyst in my heart
called a pericardial cyst.
261
00:12:25,412 --> 00:12:27,479
One in a million get it.
262
00:12:27,481 --> 00:12:28,780
Okay, anything else?
263
00:12:28,782 --> 00:12:32,483
I've seen a smoky brown mist
go through the kitchen.
264
00:12:32,485 --> 00:12:34,419
Now, did you ever see
anything like that before?
265
00:12:34,421 --> 00:12:36,754
Yes. I've seen
a female apparition
266
00:12:36,756 --> 00:12:38,189
going across the kitchen,
267
00:12:38,191 --> 00:12:40,057
probably about
five-foot tall.
268
00:12:40,059 --> 00:12:41,292
She was a white lady,
269
00:12:41,294 --> 00:12:43,360
and she had, like,
a period gown on.
270
00:12:43,362 --> 00:12:45,129
She was going
from room to room.
271
00:12:45,131 --> 00:12:46,297
Now, was this
a solid figure
272
00:12:46,299 --> 00:12:47,232
or something
you see through?
273
00:12:47,234 --> 00:12:49,067
She was solid.
274
00:12:49,069 --> 00:12:50,634
What do you think
whatever's here wants?
275
00:12:50,636 --> 00:12:52,503
I guess me dead.
276
00:12:52,505 --> 00:12:54,772
It sounds horrible,
but I really feel that now.
277
00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:56,040
So what's
keeping you here?
278
00:12:56,042 --> 00:12:57,842
I guess we worked
so hard on this.
279
00:12:57,844 --> 00:12:59,243
We've been here 18 years.
280
00:12:59,245 --> 00:13:00,979
But one more thing,
I'm out of here.
281
00:13:00,981 --> 00:13:04,014
It feels --
it's not my home anymore.
282
00:13:10,924 --> 00:13:13,024
Okay, there's a dead woman
in here.
283
00:13:14,894 --> 00:13:17,595
She was in a gown of some kind.
284
00:13:17,597 --> 00:13:22,634
She's actually
a big, big threat here.
285
00:13:24,170 --> 00:13:26,337
But I don't think anybody knows.
286
00:13:28,140 --> 00:13:31,175
She's sneaky -- very sneaky.
287
00:13:31,177 --> 00:13:33,211
She's being
very, very bad, bad.
288
00:13:33,213 --> 00:13:35,145
How exactly?
289
00:13:35,147 --> 00:13:37,882
She's trying to
sneak into somebody --
290
00:13:37,884 --> 00:13:40,251
a living woman, I believe.
291
00:13:40,253 --> 00:13:44,289
She's trying to
take over their life.
292
00:13:44,291 --> 00:13:46,490
She's doing it very subtly.
293
00:13:46,492 --> 00:13:48,759
She's been doing this,
294
00:13:48,761 --> 00:13:51,629
and she's able to do it
rather successfully
295
00:13:51,631 --> 00:13:53,831
because everyone is distracted
296
00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:58,136
by the other phenomena
that's going on here.
297
00:13:58,138 --> 00:14:00,171
Do you have any idea
why she's doing that
298
00:14:00,173 --> 00:14:02,340
to this living person?
299
00:14:02,342 --> 00:14:06,611
She wants another life.
She wants a fair life.
300
00:14:06,613 --> 00:14:07,645
So what would happen
to the living
301
00:14:07,647 --> 00:14:09,580
if she did
get inside them?
302
00:14:09,582 --> 00:14:12,317
A lot of behavioral changes
with this person.
303
00:14:12,319 --> 00:14:14,218
So I'm worried that
the living woman
304
00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:16,654
could think she's gone crazy.
305
00:14:25,732 --> 00:14:27,665
All right, so what's
going on up here?
306
00:14:27,667 --> 00:14:29,334
I just feel like
the presence here
307
00:14:29,336 --> 00:14:32,003
has just changed
our personalities.
308
00:14:32,005 --> 00:14:35,807
Our moods are changing.
We fight constantly.
309
00:14:35,809 --> 00:14:38,509
When we enter this room,
it gets worse.
310
00:14:38,511 --> 00:14:40,211
Why isn't this just
husband-and-wife stuff,
311
00:14:40,213 --> 00:14:42,213
and why is it
the paranormal?
312
00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:44,715
When we leave the house,
we're fine.
313
00:14:44,717 --> 00:14:46,818
Get back here,
we're not in here 10 minutes,
314
00:14:46,820 --> 00:14:50,254
we're at each other.
315
00:14:50,256 --> 00:14:51,756
All right, anything else
happening in here?
316
00:14:51,758 --> 00:14:55,359
I've actually felt like someone
has gotten in bed with me.
317
00:14:55,361 --> 00:14:57,161
It feels like
someone sits down,
318
00:14:57,163 --> 00:14:59,297
and the covers came back.
319
00:14:59,299 --> 00:15:00,698
Does your husband
feel it?
320
00:15:00,700 --> 00:15:02,333
No.
He is out cold.
321
00:15:02,335 --> 00:15:03,401
What about the dogs?
322
00:15:03,403 --> 00:15:04,535
They don't sleep
in my room.
323
00:15:04,537 --> 00:15:07,138
The door's shut.
324
00:15:07,140 --> 00:15:08,572
Okay. How the hell
are you sleeping?
325
00:15:08,574 --> 00:15:11,509
I don't sleep.
I have horrible insomnia.
326
00:15:11,511 --> 00:15:13,444
I mean,
you got a lot going on.
327
00:15:13,446 --> 00:15:15,413
- It is a lot.
- Anything else happen?
328
00:15:15,415 --> 00:15:19,616
I wake up to this black,
tall figure with red eyes
329
00:15:19,618 --> 00:15:21,785
staring at me,
and then it will disappear.
330
00:15:21,787 --> 00:15:23,454
Okay, so how long do you think
it's staring at you?
331
00:15:23,456 --> 00:15:24,822
It seems like forever.
332
00:15:24,824 --> 00:15:27,191
Probably 40 seconds or so.
333
00:15:27,193 --> 00:15:29,026
I got to be honest with you --
after listening to you,
334
00:15:29,028 --> 00:15:30,995
I don't know how the hell
you're living like this.
335
00:15:30,997 --> 00:15:32,597
It's just very hard.
336
00:15:32,599 --> 00:15:33,931
I know. I know.
337
00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,200
What do you do,
you know?
338
00:15:36,202 --> 00:15:38,836
If we can help you, we're gonna
do our best to do it, okay?
339
00:15:38,838 --> 00:15:40,505
I appreciate that.
340
00:15:44,077 --> 00:15:46,944
I'm seeing a woman
being attacked.
341
00:15:49,548 --> 00:15:52,483
I see light hair.
342
00:15:52,485 --> 00:15:57,054
She's yelling,
and she's being strangled,
343
00:15:57,056 --> 00:15:59,423
and then crying.
344
00:15:59,425 --> 00:16:03,161
The dead chick sleeps here.
345
00:16:03,163 --> 00:16:04,695
And what kind of
experiences
346
00:16:04,697 --> 00:16:06,130
would the living have
with her here?
347
00:16:06,132 --> 00:16:10,568
I think that they can
feel her in bed with them.
348
00:16:10,570 --> 00:16:11,869
It would make you uncomfortable.
349
00:16:11,871 --> 00:16:14,505
It would make you
not be able to sleep.
350
00:16:14,507 --> 00:16:17,575
She wants, I think,
to take over the lady
351
00:16:17,577 --> 00:16:19,977
who has
the heart problems now.
352
00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:21,579
What do you mean by
"taking her over"?
353
00:16:21,581 --> 00:16:25,983
Tearing down
that person's personality
354
00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:30,454
and putting her own personality
into that person's body
355
00:16:30,456 --> 00:16:32,990
and then having a new life.
356
00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:36,260
It's trapping them
inside of themselves.
357
00:16:36,262 --> 00:16:38,429
They kind of die in a way then.
358
00:16:51,811 --> 00:16:54,278
You know, just about
every property I investigate
359
00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,614
has some Native American
history,
360
00:16:56,616 --> 00:16:59,150
so most of the time
I don't even bother.
361
00:16:59,152 --> 00:17:00,918
But I'm heading over
to meet a local professor
362
00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,553
who says Beth's property
363
00:17:02,555 --> 00:17:05,022
was the site of an epic
and bloody battle,
364
00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:07,058
and I'm definitely gonna
want to know about it.
365
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:18,536
I know this battle
happened on my client's land,
366
00:17:18,538 --> 00:17:21,139
so who lived there,
and when did this happen?
367
00:17:21,141 --> 00:17:24,909
In 1780 there is a group
of Shawnee villages here
368
00:17:24,911 --> 00:17:26,677
called Piqua.
Okay.
369
00:17:26,679 --> 00:17:28,980
Your client's property's
in that area.
370
00:17:28,982 --> 00:17:30,881
In the long run
what will be at stake
371
00:17:30,883 --> 00:17:32,583
will be who controls
the region.
372
00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:33,617
What prompted it?
373
00:17:33,619 --> 00:17:34,718
At this point,
we're in the middle
374
00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,554
of the
American Revolutionary War.
375
00:17:36,556 --> 00:17:38,856
The Shawnee were allies
of the British.
376
00:17:38,858 --> 00:17:39,957
At the urging
of the British,
377
00:17:39,959 --> 00:17:42,427
the Shawnee have been
attacking settlements
378
00:17:42,429 --> 00:17:43,994
south of the Ohio River.
379
00:17:43,996 --> 00:17:45,262
All right, so we know
how things turned out
380
00:17:45,264 --> 00:17:46,597
for the Indians
and the British.
381
00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:47,598
So what happened?
382
00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,400
Colonel George Rogers Clark
organized
383
00:17:50,402 --> 00:17:55,339
a contingent of settlers
of about 1,000,
384
00:17:55,341 --> 00:17:58,910
and they drove northward
up toward the Shawnee villages.
385
00:17:58,912 --> 00:18:01,345
And the Shawnee decided
to make a stand up here
386
00:18:01,347 --> 00:18:03,381
at the villages of Piqua.
387
00:18:03,383 --> 00:18:04,949
Okay, so how bad
did the fighting get?
388
00:18:04,951 --> 00:18:07,718
Well, you can get some idea
from this illustration.
389
00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,420
Both sides have muskets.
390
00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:14,959
They'd have had hand-held
weapons like knifes, hand axes,
391
00:18:14,961 --> 00:18:16,761
and Clark also had cannon.
392
00:18:16,763 --> 00:18:19,263
That battle went on
for the next few hours,
393
00:18:19,265 --> 00:18:21,131
raged miles into the woods.
394
00:18:21,133 --> 00:18:23,200
So, when all's said and done,
what's the final death toll?
395
00:18:23,202 --> 00:18:25,770
Clark wrote a letter
to Governor Thomas Jefferson
396
00:18:25,772 --> 00:18:27,839
about two weeks
after the battle.
397
00:18:27,841 --> 00:18:29,173
It's right here.
398
00:18:29,175 --> 00:18:33,377
And he said that he lost 14 men,
and he had 13 wounded.
399
00:18:33,379 --> 00:18:36,046
He indicated that
the Indians had lost
400
00:18:36,048 --> 00:18:38,849
probably three times
that number.
401
00:18:38,851 --> 00:18:40,651
For the two days
after the battle,
402
00:18:40,653 --> 00:18:42,119
Clark's men stayed around,
403
00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:46,524
and they destroyed 800 or so
acres of planted corn.
404
00:18:46,526 --> 00:18:48,292
So the immediate impact
on the Shawnee
405
00:18:48,294 --> 00:18:51,062
really is quite enormous
and devastating.
406
00:18:51,064 --> 00:18:52,997
Do you have any idea whatever
happened to the Shawnee?
407
00:18:52,999 --> 00:18:56,400
Most of the Shawnee ended up
out West on reservations.
408
00:18:56,402 --> 00:18:58,135
Okay, so they were displaced
and put in a reservation.
409
00:18:58,137 --> 00:18:59,603
That's right,
absolutely displaced.
410
00:18:59,605 --> 00:19:01,005
Okay.
411
00:19:03,676 --> 00:19:06,610
That's not good.
412
00:19:06,612 --> 00:19:09,080
I see it's muddy,
but it's because
413
00:19:09,082 --> 00:19:13,918
there's blood and guts
and pieces of flesh.
414
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,022
Now I know that
the land's been cursed.
415
00:19:18,024 --> 00:19:21,158
Can you tell anything about
what this curse is from?
416
00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,362
It was some kind of massacre
or something like that.
417
00:19:24,364 --> 00:19:26,998
It's hard to walk
because it's all muddy.
418
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,901
This is symbolic
of what this land does
419
00:19:30,903 --> 00:19:34,237
to the living who are here.
420
00:19:34,239 --> 00:19:37,575
You can't move ahead.
421
00:19:37,577 --> 00:19:41,579
You're always gonna fall down,
and now even worse,
422
00:19:41,581 --> 00:19:44,248
'cause the creature
came into existence
423
00:19:44,250 --> 00:19:49,053
from this land that was cursed.
424
00:19:49,055 --> 00:19:52,323
So it's like a physical
manifestation of a curse.
425
00:19:55,328 --> 00:19:57,394
So far, I've got
a family under attack
426
00:19:57,396 --> 00:19:59,330
on property where
a brutal massacre occurred
427
00:19:59,332 --> 00:20:01,966
between Shawnee warriors
and white settlers.
428
00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:05,836
But I want to see
if there's anything else.
429
00:20:08,074 --> 00:20:11,008
Searching through old records,
I come across Margaret Keifer,
430
00:20:11,010 --> 00:20:13,344
who used to own
my client's property.
431
00:20:13,346 --> 00:20:15,479
Turns out she died
from a rare condition
432
00:20:15,481 --> 00:20:18,415
that began as a stomachache.
433
00:20:18,417 --> 00:20:20,417
I'm heading over to meet
with a local genealogist
434
00:20:20,419 --> 00:20:21,952
who's looking in this for me,
435
00:20:21,954 --> 00:20:25,289
and she says the poor woman
suffered a slow, painful death,
436
00:20:25,291 --> 00:20:27,558
and it happened
right on Beth's property.
437
00:20:33,499 --> 00:20:35,633
I know one of
the previous owners
438
00:20:35,635 --> 00:20:37,668
of my client's property
died there.
439
00:20:37,670 --> 00:20:38,803
What can you tell me
about her?
440
00:20:38,805 --> 00:20:41,439
That was Margaret Keifer
and her husband, George,
441
00:20:41,441 --> 00:20:45,275
and they bought
about 465 acres in the area,
442
00:20:45,277 --> 00:20:49,379
including the property
where your client is, in 1816.
443
00:20:49,381 --> 00:20:51,481
Okay, so how did it go
for them when they got here?
444
00:20:51,483 --> 00:20:53,784
It was pretty unremarkable
for their first few years,
445
00:20:53,786 --> 00:20:55,519
but after they lived there
for about six years,
446
00:20:55,521 --> 00:20:59,590
Margaret started having
really bad stomach pains. Okay.
447
00:20:59,592 --> 00:21:02,326
And she was eventually
diagnosed with dyspepsia.
448
00:21:02,328 --> 00:21:04,061
Okay, so what do we know
about this illness?
449
00:21:04,063 --> 00:21:05,395
What are the symptoms?
450
00:21:05,397 --> 00:21:09,433
She would have had nausea,
vomiting, difficulty eating --
451
00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:11,402
just extremely painful
to the point
452
00:21:11,404 --> 00:21:13,938
where it would become difficult
to even breathe.
453
00:21:13,940 --> 00:21:15,339
So I know
she winds up dying,
454
00:21:15,341 --> 00:21:16,807
but how long
did she suffer?
455
00:21:16,809 --> 00:21:18,975
It probably would have been
for at least a few months,
456
00:21:18,977 --> 00:21:22,413
and then she ended up dying
eventually in 1822.
457
00:21:22,415 --> 00:21:25,148
She was only 49
at the time.
458
00:21:25,150 --> 00:21:28,485
This is her interment card.
459
00:21:28,487 --> 00:21:29,887
All right, so what do
we know about her burial?
460
00:21:29,889 --> 00:21:31,955
Well, at that time period,
there was wasn't funeral homes,
461
00:21:31,957 --> 00:21:33,924
so her husband, George,
462
00:21:33,926 --> 00:21:36,894
would have had her wake
there at the home,
463
00:21:36,896 --> 00:21:38,763
and then she was buried
in a family cemetery
464
00:21:38,765 --> 00:21:41,265
about 1,000 yards
from the property.
465
00:21:41,267 --> 00:21:42,633
Okay.
466
00:21:48,041 --> 00:21:50,975
I'm seeing
that dead lady again.
467
00:21:50,977 --> 00:21:55,312
She's extremely pale,
as if she was frozen.
468
00:21:55,314 --> 00:21:58,783
I feel like she was
in her coffin here.
469
00:21:58,785 --> 00:22:02,386
She must have been viewed,
so she had to have lived here.
470
00:22:02,388 --> 00:22:07,925
And she got something sick
in her stomach -- bad.
471
00:22:07,927 --> 00:22:11,495
Oof.
Very bad stomach.
472
00:22:11,497 --> 00:22:17,401
It made her feel like...
473
00:22:17,403 --> 00:22:20,004
It made her feel like
she couldn't breathe.
474
00:22:21,374 --> 00:22:23,273
Her diaphragm was compressed.
475
00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:25,743
I think she died here.
476
00:22:35,721 --> 00:22:37,621
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477
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478
00:22:39,224 --> 00:22:41,024
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480
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:46,630
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481
00:22:46,632 --> 00:22:47,531
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482
00:22:55,841 --> 00:22:58,375
Another thing caught
my attention in research.
483
00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:01,011
Back in the '90s, there was
a brutal double homicide
484
00:23:01,013 --> 00:23:03,214
right down the road
from Beth's house.
485
00:23:03,216 --> 00:23:05,115
I'm driving over to meet
a true-crime author
486
00:23:05,117 --> 00:23:06,683
who studied this case,
487
00:23:06,685 --> 00:23:10,054
and she says the perp turned out
to be a vicious serial killer.
488
00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:17,895
Carol, I appreciate you
helping me out with this case.
489
00:23:17,897 --> 00:23:19,463
So, I know this
double homicide happened
490
00:23:19,465 --> 00:23:21,198
pretty close
to my client's property.
491
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,767
What can you tell me
about it?
492
00:23:22,769 --> 00:23:26,537
Okay, on August the 22nd,
1992,
493
00:23:26,539 --> 00:23:31,142
Phree Morrow, 12,
and Martha Leach, 11,
494
00:23:31,144 --> 00:23:34,678
went for a walk
to a local bakery
495
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,681
and were never seen
alive again.
496
00:23:37,683 --> 00:23:40,818
And the next day,
two little boys
497
00:23:40,820 --> 00:23:44,421
found their bodies
behind the bakery.
498
00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:46,991
This is the headline
that was in the paper.
499
00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:51,896
"Girls found slain."
Okay.
500
00:23:51,898 --> 00:23:54,265
What kind of a condition
did they find these bodies in?
501
00:23:54,267 --> 00:23:57,768
They were found nude,
and they were bruised.
502
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:59,703
They had both bone been
sexually abused,
503
00:23:59,705 --> 00:24:01,005
had been raped.
504
00:24:01,007 --> 00:24:02,505
All right,
so I know autopsies were done.
505
00:24:02,507 --> 00:24:04,207
What was the official
cause of death?
506
00:24:04,209 --> 00:24:07,511
A blunt-force trauma
to the head.
507
00:24:07,513 --> 00:24:09,246
Did they recover any other
physical evidence
508
00:24:09,248 --> 00:24:10,381
at the scene or near it?
509
00:24:10,383 --> 00:24:11,916
About two blocks
from there,
510
00:24:11,918 --> 00:24:14,785
they recovered
Phree Morrow's shorts,
511
00:24:14,787 --> 00:24:16,887
and they had been
cut off of her
512
00:24:16,889 --> 00:24:19,589
in a very meticulous manner.
513
00:24:19,591 --> 00:24:21,525
All right, so I know
they eventually get this guy.
514
00:24:21,527 --> 00:24:22,993
But who was he?
515
00:24:22,995 --> 00:24:24,194
He was William Sapp.
516
00:24:24,196 --> 00:24:25,930
He was 30 years old,
517
00:24:25,932 --> 00:24:29,300
and he lived in Springfield
most of his life.
518
00:24:29,302 --> 00:24:31,768
That's him.
519
00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:33,938
If you saw
"low-life child molester"
520
00:24:33,940 --> 00:24:35,272
and "killer"
in the dictionary,
521
00:24:35,274 --> 00:24:37,141
this guy's photo
would pop up.
522
00:24:42,348 --> 00:24:45,282
There's something else that
happened here that was...
523
00:24:45,284 --> 00:24:48,051
not good.
524
00:24:48,053 --> 00:24:50,387
I just see a chalk outline.
525
00:24:50,389 --> 00:24:52,289
- Like of a body?
- Yeah.
526
00:24:52,291 --> 00:24:54,992
So I'm gonna say
possible murder here.
527
00:24:59,899 --> 00:25:03,367
And someone was
very happy about it.
528
00:25:03,369 --> 00:25:04,935
He liked to kill things.
529
00:25:04,937 --> 00:25:09,273
Feels good, really good.
530
00:25:09,275 --> 00:25:11,041
All right, so I know
they eventually get this guy,
531
00:25:11,043 --> 00:25:13,944
but when and what were
the circumstances of it?
532
00:25:13,946 --> 00:25:16,780
Well, in 1996,
he attacked a woman,
533
00:25:16,782 --> 00:25:18,449
but she lived.
Okay.
534
00:25:18,451 --> 00:25:20,184
And he went
to prison for that.
535
00:25:20,186 --> 00:25:23,254
And as a routine,
536
00:25:23,256 --> 00:25:26,723
they did
a DNA test on him. Okay.
537
00:25:26,725 --> 00:25:29,793
And it came back positive match
to Phree and Martha.
538
00:25:29,795 --> 00:25:33,063
So they confronted him
with the DNA result
539
00:25:33,065 --> 00:25:36,400
and he confessed not only
to Phree and Martha
540
00:25:36,402 --> 00:25:38,102
but with some other cases
541
00:25:38,104 --> 00:25:40,404
that were unsolved
in Springfield.
542
00:25:40,406 --> 00:25:41,405
Did he brag about anything?
543
00:25:41,407 --> 00:25:43,073
'Cause I know
they love to brag.
544
00:25:43,075 --> 00:25:45,542
Well, in the confession,
he talked about
545
00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:49,280
slowly cutting a woman's jeans
with a scalpel
546
00:25:49,282 --> 00:25:51,147
and he talked about it
being like
547
00:25:51,149 --> 00:25:53,550
opening
Christmas presents --
548
00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:58,155
doing it very slowly
and enjoying it, savoring it.
549
00:25:58,157 --> 00:26:00,523
So I assume this sicko
got convicted?
550
00:26:00,525 --> 00:26:03,928
He was found guilty
of all the charges against him,
551
00:26:03,930 --> 00:26:08,432
and he received
three death sentences.
552
00:26:08,434 --> 00:26:11,902
He's been on death row
since 1999.
553
00:26:15,374 --> 00:26:20,210
I feel like this killer
has done this before.
554
00:26:20,212 --> 00:26:21,645
Does he interact
with the living?
555
00:26:21,647 --> 00:26:24,247
Yes. He is...
556
00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:28,152
very capable
of getting inside a person.
557
00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:33,457
So, what would happen
to the living
558
00:26:33,459 --> 00:26:36,026
if he did
get inside them?
559
00:26:36,028 --> 00:26:38,061
Well, he kind of makes you
want to, like,
560
00:26:38,063 --> 00:26:41,698
stab people and do harm.
561
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:47,071
He likes to make people
try to hurt themselves.
562
00:26:47,073 --> 00:26:48,906
This is weird.
563
00:26:48,908 --> 00:26:51,208
I don't like it.
564
00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:53,277
I don't feel good.
565
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:54,678
Are you okay?
566
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,848
It makes me sick,
physically,
567
00:26:57,850 --> 00:26:59,215
like I want to vomit.
568
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,828
I saw several horrifying
things during my walk,
569
00:27:10,830 --> 00:27:12,829
but two stood out --
570
00:27:12,831 --> 00:27:17,167
first, the curse manifestation
attacking a living person.
571
00:27:17,169 --> 00:27:21,038
There's, like,
a little being.
572
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,840
It's about, like,
two feet tall.
573
00:27:23,842 --> 00:27:26,577
Its head is kind of flat.
574
00:27:26,579 --> 00:27:30,581
The eyes are, like,
gelatinous.
575
00:27:30,583 --> 00:27:33,183
At one point,
I saw it attacking --
576
00:27:33,185 --> 00:27:35,318
I believe it was a male.
577
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:40,391
But the guy had his back to me
and this thing was, like...
578
00:27:40,393 --> 00:27:42,326
Next, I described the dead woman
579
00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:44,861
laying in bed
with a living person.
580
00:27:44,863 --> 00:27:50,467
In the center of
this large bed is a coffin.
581
00:27:50,469 --> 00:27:51,735
There was no lid,
582
00:27:51,737 --> 00:27:54,271
and she's wearing
a wedding gown.
583
00:27:58,644 --> 00:28:00,610
Amy,
is this what you saw?
584
00:28:00,612 --> 00:28:01,745
Yes.
585
00:28:22,801 --> 00:28:25,602
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
586
00:28:25,604 --> 00:28:27,671
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
587
00:28:27,673 --> 00:28:30,774
and our clients
for the first time.
588
00:28:30,776 --> 00:28:34,077
So, Amy, I'd like you to meet
Josh and his mother, Beth.
589
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:35,612
Josh grew up in this house
590
00:28:35,614 --> 00:28:38,115
and had all kinds of experiences
while he was here.
591
00:28:38,117 --> 00:28:41,184
But now that he's moved out,
the activity has turned violent.
592
00:28:41,186 --> 00:28:43,286
Josh called us in because
he doesn't think it's safe
593
00:28:43,288 --> 00:28:44,688
for his mom to be here,
594
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:46,557
and if we can't find
a way to fix it,
595
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,558
he thinks this house
is gonna kill her.
596
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,961
So now that Amy knows
who you guys are,
597
00:28:50,963 --> 00:28:52,696
I'll ask her to describe
her walk for us.
598
00:28:55,167 --> 00:28:59,803
I came into contact
with a creepy male.
599
00:28:59,805 --> 00:29:02,372
I can absolutely say
that he was disturbed,
600
00:29:02,374 --> 00:29:04,441
crazy, and evil.
601
00:29:04,443 --> 00:29:08,311
Possibly this male had
murdered somebody here.
602
00:29:08,313 --> 00:29:11,114
I was able to feel
how he felt
603
00:29:11,116 --> 00:29:14,517
when he committed
this crime,
604
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:17,020
and he felt awesome.
605
00:29:17,022 --> 00:29:21,992
This individual
really enjoyed killing.
606
00:29:21,994 --> 00:29:26,330
I was getting that he had
killed before this murder.
607
00:29:26,332 --> 00:29:28,665
Possibly he killed
after this murder.
608
00:29:28,667 --> 00:29:30,167
I was like, this guy,
to me,
609
00:29:30,169 --> 00:29:32,936
felt like a wannabe,
like, Ed Gein,
610
00:29:32,938 --> 00:29:35,572
who was a serial killer.
611
00:29:35,574 --> 00:29:37,741
My gosh.
612
00:29:37,743 --> 00:29:40,010
I got a pretty good idea
who she's talking about.
613
00:29:40,012 --> 00:29:41,678
His name is William Sapp.
614
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,146
He's a local guy
who lived here
615
00:29:43,148 --> 00:29:44,548
most of his life
in this area.
616
00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:48,218
He's also a serial killer.
617
00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:50,687
August 22nd, 1992,
618
00:29:50,689 --> 00:29:53,957
Sapp killed a couple of
young girls not far from here.
619
00:29:53,959 --> 00:29:56,560
The victims were a 12-year-old
and her 11-year-old friend.
620
00:29:56,562 --> 00:29:58,896
Both girls were killed with
blunt-force trauma to the head.
621
00:29:58,898 --> 00:30:01,031
Both girls,
during the investigation,
622
00:30:01,033 --> 00:30:03,400
had been shown they were
sexually assaulted.
623
00:30:03,402 --> 00:30:05,068
My God.
624
00:30:05,070 --> 00:30:08,504
I actually got
a newspaper article.
625
00:30:08,506 --> 00:30:10,373
Now, you talk about
how happy this guy was
626
00:30:10,375 --> 00:30:11,675
when he was killing.
627
00:30:11,677 --> 00:30:13,243
The expert I talked to said
Sapp had a bizarre way
628
00:30:13,245 --> 00:30:15,111
of taking
his victims' pants off.
629
00:30:15,113 --> 00:30:18,114
He would cut each stitch
individually with a scalpel
630
00:30:18,116 --> 00:30:20,116
so that he could
take his time and enjoy it.
631
00:30:20,118 --> 00:30:22,585
I could see that.
632
00:30:22,587 --> 00:30:24,654
So, this sick bastard
eventually confessed
633
00:30:24,656 --> 00:30:27,691
and got
three death sentences.
634
00:30:27,693 --> 00:30:31,060
Now, I got a photo of Sapp.
635
00:30:31,062 --> 00:30:32,996
So, could this be
the guy you saw?
636
00:30:32,998 --> 00:30:35,298
Yes.
637
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:38,068
You just want to get
your hands on somebody.
638
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:39,369
So let me ask you
a question.
639
00:30:39,371 --> 00:30:42,139
Would our clients
experience him in any way?
640
00:30:42,141 --> 00:30:44,741
Well, when I first
encountered his energy,
641
00:30:44,743 --> 00:30:48,745
I felt disgusted,
like I wanted to vomit.
642
00:30:48,747 --> 00:30:50,347
We talked about you
being nauseous.
643
00:30:50,349 --> 00:30:51,748
Yeah, all the time.
644
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:54,484
I mean, for months,
nonstop.
645
00:30:54,486 --> 00:30:57,053
I feel he could get
inside of someone
646
00:30:57,055 --> 00:31:01,024
and possibly influence them
to do bad things.
647
00:31:01,026 --> 00:31:02,892
Have you ever felt
anything like that?
648
00:31:02,894 --> 00:31:05,329
I snap really easy --
really easy --
649
00:31:05,331 --> 00:31:07,597
which never did before.
650
00:31:10,636 --> 00:31:12,969
When I went to
the backyard area,
651
00:31:12,971 --> 00:31:16,673
it was really hard
to walk.
652
00:31:16,675 --> 00:31:19,042
I see it's muddy,
but it's because
653
00:31:19,044 --> 00:31:23,614
there's blood and guts
and pieces of flesh.
654
00:31:23,616 --> 00:31:27,317
Now I know that
the land's been cursed.
655
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:30,921
Obviously, there must have been
some kind of massacre.
656
00:31:30,923 --> 00:31:32,055
It's not a lot to go on,
657
00:31:32,057 --> 00:31:33,923
but massacre kind of
caught my attention.
658
00:31:33,925 --> 00:31:36,059
Now, this land was the site
of a bloody battle
659
00:31:36,061 --> 00:31:38,595
that took place during
the Revolutionary War.
660
00:31:38,597 --> 00:31:39,930
During that time,
this area
661
00:31:39,932 --> 00:31:42,799
was a Shawnee Indian village
known as Piqua.
662
00:31:42,801 --> 00:31:44,167
The Shawnee
saw white settlers
663
00:31:44,169 --> 00:31:46,002
as a threat to
their control of the land,
664
00:31:46,004 --> 00:31:49,072
so they traveled around
attacking the settlements.
665
00:31:49,074 --> 00:31:50,606
Now, by 1780,
the settlers
666
00:31:50,608 --> 00:31:52,342
and the colonial government
had enough,
667
00:31:52,344 --> 00:31:53,977
so a guy named
Colonel George Clark
668
00:31:53,979 --> 00:31:55,145
mobilized a group --
669
00:31:55,147 --> 00:31:58,748
over 1,000 revolutionaries
and militia.
670
00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:02,119
Clark's men stormed
the Shawnee village at Piqua.
671
00:32:02,121 --> 00:32:05,455
Even by conservative estimates,
the body count was big.
672
00:32:05,457 --> 00:32:07,424
Clark said he lost
at least 14 men,
673
00:32:07,426 --> 00:32:09,959
and the Shawnee lost
at least triple that.
674
00:32:09,961 --> 00:32:10,893
So we're looking at
a minimum
675
00:32:10,895 --> 00:32:13,930
of about 56 dead
right here in this area.
676
00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:15,699
Now, before Clark's men
left the area,
677
00:32:15,701 --> 00:32:18,034
they burnt
800 acres of crops,
678
00:32:18,036 --> 00:32:20,937
basically destroying all
the Shawnees' food supply... Geez!
679
00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:22,506
...so they couldn't come
back here and live here.
680
00:32:22,508 --> 00:32:25,108
Then the Native Americans
put a curse
681
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:29,446
because they kind of got
**** every which way.
682
00:32:29,448 --> 00:32:32,048
So, how does this curse
affect these guys?
683
00:32:32,050 --> 00:32:36,252
It manifested somehow
into a conscious entity.
684
00:32:36,254 --> 00:32:40,323
It actually took on
a physical form.
685
00:32:40,325 --> 00:32:43,560
I've not encountered
this before.
686
00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:45,195
That curse --
687
00:32:45,197 --> 00:32:50,000
it's working with
two other entities.
688
00:32:50,002 --> 00:32:52,536
The first one
that it's working with
689
00:32:52,538 --> 00:32:56,139
is an actual
shadow person.
690
00:32:56,141 --> 00:32:59,375
The second one
was a deceased male
691
00:32:59,377 --> 00:33:00,877
who used to live here.
692
00:33:00,879 --> 00:33:04,080
Basically, all three of them
are working against you guys.
693
00:33:04,082 --> 00:33:05,648
My God!
694
00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:07,083
And I think there are
several ways
695
00:33:07,085 --> 00:33:08,785
that you would
experience them.
696
00:33:08,787 --> 00:33:12,889
The first thing is that
you would see shadow people.
697
00:33:12,891 --> 00:33:15,525
Tell Amy about
the shadow figures you've seen.
698
00:33:15,527 --> 00:33:17,994
I was upstairs one night,
and I saw this thing
699
00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:20,630
that looked like
a very tall, skinny man.
700
00:33:20,632 --> 00:33:24,301
Upstairs I see a tall shadow --
dark black --
701
00:33:24,303 --> 00:33:26,169
and it, like,
hangs in the corner.
702
00:33:26,171 --> 00:33:28,304
And I just saw that
a couple nights ago,
703
00:33:28,306 --> 00:33:32,209
and it was, like,
standing over my husband.
704
00:33:32,211 --> 00:33:36,380
These three also create
serious anxiety issues.
705
00:33:36,382 --> 00:33:38,648
I have horrible anxiety now.
706
00:33:38,650 --> 00:33:42,185
It just pisses me off.
707
00:33:42,187 --> 00:33:44,788
The curse manifestation
is also capable
708
00:33:44,790 --> 00:33:48,391
of being very physical
with the living.
709
00:33:48,393 --> 00:33:50,427
It can push, shove,
and choke.
710
00:33:50,429 --> 00:33:53,730
I saw that it was shoving
a living person down.
711
00:33:53,732 --> 00:33:56,032
This has happened
multiple times.
712
00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:58,668
Well, this is the main reason
Josh called us in.
713
00:33:58,670 --> 00:34:02,405
Beth has been pushed down
the stairs several times.
714
00:34:02,407 --> 00:34:05,142
I got a photo
of one of the times.
715
00:34:05,144 --> 00:34:07,811
This is her leg.
716
00:34:07,813 --> 00:34:08,878
Believe it or not, though,
717
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,680
this time
wasn't the worst of it.
718
00:34:10,682 --> 00:34:12,115
Tell her about what happened
to your neck.
719
00:34:12,117 --> 00:34:14,150
I was shoved
down the stairs,
720
00:34:14,152 --> 00:34:15,819
and I broke my neck.
721
00:34:15,821 --> 00:34:17,354
What?!
722
00:34:17,356 --> 00:34:19,756
You broke your neck?
723
00:34:19,758 --> 00:34:21,024
- Yeah. Had surgery.
- What?!
724
00:34:21,026 --> 00:34:22,959
I was lucky
I wasn't paralyzed.
725
00:34:22,961 --> 00:34:27,297
I had slivers of bone
into my spinal column.
726
00:34:30,101 --> 00:34:32,969
All right, so two of
these things look like shadows.
727
00:34:32,971 --> 00:34:35,438
Did you get a good look
at the original curse thing?
728
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,509
I had a sketch done
of the curse manifestation
729
00:34:39,511 --> 00:34:41,310
attacking a person.
730
00:34:50,923 --> 00:34:54,257
My gosh.
731
00:34:54,259 --> 00:34:57,761
Josh got attacked when
he was here as a younger man.
732
00:34:57,763 --> 00:35:00,530
I was upstairs,
and I was just getting ready
733
00:35:00,532 --> 00:35:03,433
to shut my eyes,
and someone just slapped me.
734
00:35:03,435 --> 00:35:05,936
I went into the bathroom
and looked,
735
00:35:05,938 --> 00:35:07,871
and three little marks,
like, right here
736
00:35:07,873 --> 00:35:10,206
on the side of my face
where somebody hit me.
737
00:35:10,208 --> 00:35:14,111
It's weird 'cause that thing
only had three fingers.
738
00:35:14,113 --> 00:35:15,478
My God.
739
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,581
Just want to strangle them.
That's all you want to do.
740
00:35:17,583 --> 00:35:20,483
I just can't believe
that this is here.
741
00:35:24,289 --> 00:35:26,022
Okay, anything else?
742
00:35:26,024 --> 00:35:27,824
Then there's one more,
743
00:35:27,826 --> 00:35:31,161
and this next person
is super sneaky.
744
00:35:31,163 --> 00:35:35,098
The things I got about her
are she did live here
745
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:36,899
I think in the '20s.
746
00:35:36,901 --> 00:35:41,271
She was extremely sad,
very depressed --
747
00:35:41,273 --> 00:35:43,606
very depressed
during her life.
748
00:35:43,608 --> 00:35:46,776
And she is miserable
now in death.
749
00:35:46,778 --> 00:35:49,646
She had
nice dark-brown hair.
750
00:35:49,648 --> 00:35:53,316
She was wearing what looked like
a gown of some sort.
751
00:35:53,318 --> 00:35:56,018
I see a lady
in a white gown.
752
00:35:56,020 --> 00:35:58,989
I see her go through
the kitchen.
753
00:36:00,392 --> 00:36:04,327
When I first saw her,
she was laying in this coffin.
754
00:36:04,329 --> 00:36:07,196
Then I got that she had died
from some kind of illness,
755
00:36:07,198 --> 00:36:08,565
possibly with the stomach.
756
00:36:08,567 --> 00:36:10,866
It took her
a long time to die.
757
00:36:10,868 --> 00:36:13,936
It made it extremely
painful to breathe.
758
00:36:13,938 --> 00:36:16,673
I felt very much that
she probably died here.
759
00:36:16,675 --> 00:36:17,841
And the coffin --
760
00:36:17,843 --> 00:36:19,576
because she's so attached
to the coffin --
761
00:36:19,578 --> 00:36:22,612
I felt like
she was displayed here.
762
00:36:22,614 --> 00:36:24,347
A few things you mentioned
made me think of a woman
763
00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:25,748
who used to live
on the property.
764
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:27,884
Now, her name was
Margaret Keifer.
765
00:36:27,886 --> 00:36:30,620
She moved here
with her family in 1816.
766
00:36:30,622 --> 00:36:32,088
Now, you said
she was a woman
767
00:36:32,090 --> 00:36:34,157
that might have died
from a stomach illness. Yes.
768
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:36,993
Well, after just
a few years of living here,
769
00:36:36,995 --> 00:36:38,527
Margaret got really sick.
770
00:36:38,529 --> 00:36:41,431
I mean, she suffered from
an infected ulcer in her stomach
771
00:36:41,433 --> 00:36:43,900
and eventually got
diagnosed with dyspepsia.
772
00:36:43,902 --> 00:36:46,603
The expert I talked
to said it's a pretty miserable condition.
773
00:36:46,605 --> 00:36:48,438
Basically, she would have
suffered from stomach pains,
774
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,240
nausea, vomiting,
775
00:36:50,242 --> 00:36:52,575
trouble eating
and even breathing.
776
00:36:52,577 --> 00:36:55,311
Now, she died from
that illness in 1822,
777
00:36:55,313 --> 00:36:56,946
and she was only
49 years old.
778
00:36:56,948 --> 00:36:59,381
Now, back then there were
no funeral parlors, obviously,
779
00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:03,353
and they displayed her
in the house.
780
00:37:03,355 --> 00:37:04,654
Now, is it possible
Margaret Keifer
781
00:37:04,656 --> 00:37:06,122
is woman
you might have seen?
782
00:37:06,124 --> 00:37:08,057
Yes.
783
00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:10,260
Now, you said you were
worried about this woman. Why?
784
00:37:10,262 --> 00:37:13,329
The ways that she actually
is affecting you
785
00:37:13,331 --> 00:37:18,601
is she likes to get into bed
with the living people.
786
00:37:18,603 --> 00:37:20,936
I saw it in
the big bedroom upstairs,
787
00:37:20,938 --> 00:37:23,606
and I thought that the living
people would feel this.
788
00:37:23,608 --> 00:37:25,875
When she does it,
it would make you uncomfortable
789
00:37:25,877 --> 00:37:29,145
and hard for you to sleep.
790
00:37:29,147 --> 00:37:33,349
I actually have felt someone
sit on the side of my bed
791
00:37:33,351 --> 00:37:35,552
and pull my covers back.
792
00:37:35,554 --> 00:37:37,921
Like, I'm afraid
to roll over.
793
00:37:39,224 --> 00:37:42,292
I had a sketch done
of the dead woman
794
00:37:42,294 --> 00:37:44,894
in her coffin in your bed.
795
00:37:47,899 --> 00:37:50,166
Geez.
796
00:37:50,168 --> 00:37:51,634
I don't even want to
show you this.
797
00:37:55,107 --> 00:37:59,109
My gosh.
798
00:37:59,111 --> 00:38:01,077
So that's why
I don't sleep.
799
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:01,978
What does she want
from Beth?
800
00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:04,213
Her goal is to
801
00:38:04,215 --> 00:38:07,717
take over the living woman
in this house.
802
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,853
- Why?
- She hated her life.
803
00:38:10,855 --> 00:38:13,389
She wants to create
a new life for herself.
804
00:38:13,391 --> 00:38:15,892
What she's currently doing,
and has been doing,
805
00:38:15,894 --> 00:38:19,963
is slowly chipping away
at elements of you
806
00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:23,265
and replacing them more
with elements of herself.
807
00:38:23,267 --> 00:38:25,769
She's chipping away?
What better way to do it?
808
00:38:25,771 --> 00:38:27,937
In the short term,
you might experience,
809
00:38:27,939 --> 00:38:29,605
or other people
might perceive, like,
810
00:38:29,607 --> 00:38:32,208
some small personality changes,
behavioral changes.
811
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:34,243
Then you might think
you're kind of going nuts.
812
00:38:34,245 --> 00:38:37,880
This can bring on depression,
self-destructive thoughts.
813
00:38:37,882 --> 00:38:39,615
It just really upsets me,
814
00:38:39,617 --> 00:38:42,352
I mean, 'cause my whole
personality has changed.
815
00:38:42,354 --> 00:38:44,220
I mean,
I'm, like, depressed.
816
00:38:44,222 --> 00:38:46,489
Pisses me off.
817
00:38:46,491 --> 00:38:48,390
The thing that's scary --
818
00:38:48,392 --> 00:38:52,095
she would like to
reduce your personality
819
00:38:52,097 --> 00:38:54,764
down to the bare minimum
820
00:38:54,766 --> 00:38:58,568
and take over your body.
821
00:38:58,570 --> 00:39:03,540
I knew something was bad,
but not this bad.
822
00:39:03,542 --> 00:39:06,709
I think it's horrible.
That's just horrible.
823
00:39:23,244 --> 00:39:24,577
So, Josh,
you called us in
824
00:39:24,579 --> 00:39:26,179
because you thought your mother
was in danger here.
825
00:39:26,181 --> 00:39:28,314
And after what
Amy told us tonight,
826
00:39:28,316 --> 00:39:29,449
looks like
the situation here
827
00:39:29,451 --> 00:39:31,651
is even worse
than what we thought.
828
00:39:31,653 --> 00:39:33,953
Now it's time to answer
the big question --
829
00:39:33,955 --> 00:39:35,721
is there any way
to fix this
830
00:39:35,723 --> 00:39:37,957
so your mom and dad
can stay here safely,
831
00:39:37,959 --> 00:39:40,994
or should they just pack up and
get the hell out while they can?
832
00:39:40,996 --> 00:39:42,929
So, for that answer,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
833
00:39:46,033 --> 00:39:50,170
First thing is to
bring in a male medium
834
00:39:50,172 --> 00:39:52,805
to move
the dead woman on.
835
00:39:52,807 --> 00:39:55,441
All right, you're talking
about Margaret Keifer? Yes.
836
00:39:55,443 --> 00:39:59,779
The medium must call on
her dead relatives
837
00:39:59,781 --> 00:40:01,714
to come and remove her.
838
00:40:01,716 --> 00:40:04,049
But why do
the dead relatives
839
00:40:04,051 --> 00:40:05,384
have to come
to get this lady?
840
00:40:05,386 --> 00:40:09,722
Because once
she sees them again,
841
00:40:09,724 --> 00:40:12,225
it's going to make her
feel happiness,
842
00:40:12,227 --> 00:40:17,363
and she hasn't felt that
in a very long time.
843
00:40:17,365 --> 00:40:18,898
Once this has been done,
844
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:22,068
you will feel better
physically.
845
00:40:22,070 --> 00:40:25,838
All right. Now, what
can they do to get rid of this thing?
846
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,473
For the curse manifestation,
847
00:40:27,475 --> 00:40:30,376
a Shawnee descendent
would have to come
848
00:40:30,378 --> 00:40:33,646
and remove the curse
and bless the land.
849
00:40:33,648 --> 00:40:37,716
This is the only way
to truly dissolve
850
00:40:37,718 --> 00:40:40,519
that curse manifestation.
851
00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:42,421
But here's some good news.
852
00:40:42,423 --> 00:40:46,192
The shadow man was not
directly related to this house.
853
00:40:46,194 --> 00:40:48,928
He will leave with
the curse manifestation
854
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:51,331
to try to find
another victim,
855
00:40:51,333 --> 00:40:56,736
so there will be much less
physical phenomena, if any.
856
00:40:56,738 --> 00:40:59,271
All right, will the other dead
guy working with them go, too?
857
00:40:59,273 --> 00:41:02,809
Correct. Yes.
858
00:41:02,811 --> 00:41:04,277
That's incredible.
859
00:41:04,279 --> 00:41:06,079
What about this man?
860
00:41:06,081 --> 00:41:08,148
He was only here
because I was here.
861
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:10,049
He'll leave
once we're gone.
862
00:41:10,051 --> 00:41:12,418
Okay. That's good.
863
00:41:12,420 --> 00:41:14,253
That's awesome.
864
00:41:14,255 --> 00:41:16,823
It sounds like
you got a game plan. Yeah.
865
00:41:16,825 --> 00:41:19,592
I got to ask -- are you gonna
take Amy's advice?
866
00:41:19,594 --> 00:41:21,627
No doubt about it.
I have to do it.
867
00:41:21,629 --> 00:41:25,297
I want a life back.
I want to feel better.
868
00:41:25,299 --> 00:41:29,535
- It's gonna get done.
- Thank you.
869
00:41:29,537 --> 00:41:31,171
It's going to take some work,
870
00:41:31,173 --> 00:41:33,573
but if Josh and Beth
contact a medium
871
00:41:33,575 --> 00:41:35,308
and a Shawnee descendent,
872
00:41:35,310 --> 00:41:39,378
they can remove the dead and
banish the curse manifestation.
873
00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:42,381
Once they're gone,
Beth will begin to feel better,
874
00:41:42,383 --> 00:41:45,551
and this family can find
the peace they deserve.
875
00:41:45,601 --> 00:41:50,151
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