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It's very, very bad
out here.
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I feel, like,
a knife in the gut.
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I think it wants to kill us.
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Something just ain't right
with that house.
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He did not die well.
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They decided they would have
a lynching party.
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- Your life is in jeopardy.
- You believe me now?
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He says,
"I'm gonna kill them."
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That's his end goal.
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Panic, panic, panic.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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I'm seeing, like, blood.
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The house just feels bad.
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I see dead people.
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This man
is completely insane.
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I speak to dead people...
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Whoo. Okay.
She doesn't like it in there.
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...and they speak to me.
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He likes to twist that knife.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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Something paranormal
is trying to kill them.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve DiSchiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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Now does he die right there,
on the spot?
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I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I think it's trying
to steal my soul.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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You ever get touched
like that again?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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I'm as stunned as you guys are.
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When we uncover if
it's safe for you to stay...
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I don't want anything
to happen to my daughter.
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Or time to get out.
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His goal
is to kill you guys.
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So, I'm out here
in Jones, Alabama.
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It's about an hour west
of Montgomery.
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I got a call from a woman
named Kimberly.
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She says the second she moved
her elderly mom into the house,
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all hell broke loose.
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She says no one is safe
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and literally begged us
to come help her out.
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Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the area
of any leading information.
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This home has a lot
of family photos
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and unique personal items,
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so it's important that I cover
or remove them all.
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When I'm done, the location will
be ready for tonight's walk.
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Jeez.
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There's something here
that was left to rot,
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and it feels malicious.
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Very, very, very bad out here.
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Living people would feel fear,
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and anytime they'd try
to confront it,
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it's, like, poof, gone.
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Well, Kimberly,
when we spoke on the phone
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you could barely
hold it together.
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What the hell
is going on here?
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This is a house
in darkness and despair.
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Whatever is here
is ruining our business.
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It's destroying our livelihood.
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- You guys run a business?
- Yes.
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- What's the story with that?
- My brother Kenny and I
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run a transmission business
here on the property.
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It's become very dangerous
at the shop,
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and Kenny's on the verge
of leaving us,
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walking away
from this business.
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Now is activity affecting
things in the house, too?
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- Yes.
- Okay.
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All right,
so who all lives here?
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My mother, Henrietta.
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Okay.
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My husband, Leo,
and my brother, Kenny.
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So as far as activity goes,
what are you guys experiencing?
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We've had banging noises,
things moving on their own.
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We've had things breaking
for no apparent reason,
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shadow figures
and apparitions here,
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and now
it's physical attacks.
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Things have gotten
so bad here, Steve,
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our family has started to refer
to our house as "Hell House."
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- Hell House?
- Exactly.
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You mentioned to me on the phone
that stuff started happening
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when you moved your mom in.
- Yes.
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All right,
so what's the story there?
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She's elderly and she's
in the first stages
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of Alzheimer's disease.
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As soon
as we brought her in,
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things just got
from bad to worse.
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I don't think it's safe
for her to be here,
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or really any of us,
for that matter.
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So with this insane activity
you've got here,
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how is it affecting you?
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I'm tired all the time.
I have trouble sleeping.
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What do you think is here?
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I'm not sure, but my family has
always said that we were cursed
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because my grandfather
was a moonshiner
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and supposedly had
killed someone.
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I've been told that
since I was a child.
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You know, I'll make sure
I look into that.
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What do you think it wants?
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I think it wants
to kill us, Steve.
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I can't take it anymore.
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That's why we need your help.
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No.
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Something happened in here
freaked somebody out,
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living-wise, and it's a female.
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Things are, like, falling.
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Things are breaking
or temporarily shutting down.
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Something triggered spontaneous
psychokinesis kind of episodes.
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This person is going
through something right now,
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extreme stress.
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It seems more, like,
dormant abilities
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that are suddenly coming out.
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Okay, Kimberly,
so what's going on in here?
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Things move on their own here.
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Okay, give me an example.
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You can put something down, like
a set of keys or a cellphone,
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come back five minutes
later, and it's gone.
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- Okay, nobody's playing games?
- No.
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Anything else in this room?
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We've also had shadow figures
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walking through from
this room to the hall.
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I know you got animals.
Are you sure it's not an animal?
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The animals never
come into this room.
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- Is it a human form?
- Yes.
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Okay. All right, so you have
quite a few things
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going on in this room.
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I feel like I'm dealing with
all this negativity all alone,
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all by myself.
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It just feels like
pure evil.
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Living people here
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would experience
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seeing things
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out of the corner
of their eyes.
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I see a young male
standing by in dark shadows.
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He has these things
that are not human with him.
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They look like tree limbs.
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He says it took him
a lot of years
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to learn how to control
these things.
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What does he do to them?
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He uses them
to torture the living.
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What's going on in here?
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This is kind of the heart
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of the worst negativity
in the house.
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We hear tapping on
the windows all the time.
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So do you ever investigate?
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- Yes, we have.
- And?
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There's never anything there
or anybody there.
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Anything else?
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I've had nightmares
in this room,
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and when I wake up,
I feel like I can't breathe,
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and it causes
heart palpitations.
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You take any medication
that would cause side effects?
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No, no medications
whatsoever.
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Anything else happen to you?
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One time, I was
held down in this bed.
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It felt like
two very strong hands
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pressing down on my ankles.
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From the waist down,
I couldn't move.
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Okay. And where was
your husband?
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On this side of the bed.
He was asleep.
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When I realized that
it wasn't my husband,
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that he was not touching me
in any way, I screamed,
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and he jumped up and turned
the light on, and it released.
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What do you think that was?
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It wasn't anything nice.
It was something evil.
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That's the most terrifying thing
that's happened to me.
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You doing all right?
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Not really.
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It's very emotional.
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I'm afraid for my mom.
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Okay. I know.
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I know. You all right?
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I'm sorry.
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I'm just frightened for her.
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The man with the tree limbs
likes this room.
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Okay. I'm seeing I think what
they're seeing, and it's creepy.
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Okay, so this person is seeing
this long, weird shape,
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like, this lanky shadow man.
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And I feel like the female
in this bed sees him
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and is, like, frozen.
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It seems like
they're struggling.
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So I guess the trees
paralyze that person,
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then over there...
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they're seeing the branches
coming for them.
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They're like hands.
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They're going inside the person
and, like, settling in organs.
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I think they feel sick
afterwards,
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causing, like,
illnesses that way.
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But I think long-term,
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it could turn into
something like cancer.
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They're scared.
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What kind of threat
does he pose?
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Well, he just says, you know,
"I'm gonna kill them."
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That's his end goal.
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So, Kenny, I was talking
to your sister, and she says
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you run the business
here on the property.
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Yes, sir. We do
transmission work, yes, sir.
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In her opinion,
she doesn't feel it's safe
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for anybody to be here.
I mean, do you agree with that?
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I agree 100% with her.
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I'm just afraid that
it's gonna hurt somebody.
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So your sister mentioned to me
that you're just getting ready
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to get the hell out of here.
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Yeah, I want to get out
of that house.
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What experiences can you
tell me about, Kenny?
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I was working on
a truck out here.
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First thing I did was
crank it up,
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and boom, both batteries
just blew up.
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Plastic, acid everywhere.
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Okay, so do you know
what caused it to explode?
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No, sir. There was no battery
charger hooked to it.
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The battery cables
were tight.
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I thought it was gonna
take the hood off.
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I don't know if
it's paranormal or not,
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but you're the expert
on cars.
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- Right.
- What do you think?
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I've been in this business
for over 40 years,
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and I've never seen it happen.
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- I think it was paranormal.
- Okay.
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All right, so you've had
car batteries explode on you.
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Anything else?
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I was out in the backyard
and I seen a wolf-like creature.
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Okay, can you
describe it for me?
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6- foot tall,
green, egg-shaped eyes.
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It just walked from one tree
to the next tree.
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All right, you sure
you weren't drinking?
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I wasn't drinking, no, sir.
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- All right, anything else?
- I have attitude changes.
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We can come in from a trip,
be just as happy as can be,
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and walk in that house,
it will all fall apart.
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The attitudes become evil,
plumb evil.
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That house has put
something into you,
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like, it's a hatred,
dark side.
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Anything else?
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It drains all your energy.
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It's like a battery. It just
sucks all everything out of you.
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Something just ain't right
with that house up there.
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I do believe
it's trying to hurt us.
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It can kill you or cause
somebody to get killed.
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Okay.
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Getting an older man,
this dead guy.
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He's not a good person.
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Mnh-mnh.
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No, I don't like him.
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He's, like, yelling
at somebody down there.
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Like, freaking out on someone.
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So his anger, you can feel it.
It goes right into you.
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I think that the living
would feel the anger.
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He's moving things all the time.
253
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Living people would put
something someplace
254
00:12:19,706 --> 00:12:22,407
and then, say,
an hour later, come back
255
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and it's, like, over there.
256
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You know what I mean?
257
00:12:28,247 --> 00:12:30,381
Not good. Mnh-mnh.
258
00:12:30,383 --> 00:12:35,253
He might be a little bit
more powerful than I thought.
259
00:12:35,255 --> 00:12:37,989
I feel sick.
260
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Just sucks energy.
It just zaps people.
261
00:12:40,526 --> 00:12:43,261
Anything that the living
might experience within here?
262
00:12:43,263 --> 00:12:45,530
You know, they walk in here
with energy
263
00:12:45,532 --> 00:12:47,865
and all of a sudden, it's gone,
264
00:12:47,867 --> 00:12:51,769
and so feeling extremely
lethargic, exhausted.
265
00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:53,671
What kind of long-term effects
might that have?
266
00:12:53,673 --> 00:12:57,508
Their immune system
would get pretty run down.
267
00:12:57,510 --> 00:13:00,077
They could develop, like,
bronchitis, pneumonias,
268
00:13:00,079 --> 00:13:01,813
you know, things like that.
269
00:13:08,488 --> 00:13:09,621
Leo, I was talking
to your wife.
270
00:13:09,623 --> 00:13:11,489
She doesn't feel it's safe
to be in this house.
271
00:13:11,491 --> 00:13:12,590
I mean,
do you agree with that?
272
00:13:12,592 --> 00:13:14,558
I believe it is
dangerous for her.
273
00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:16,561
- But not for you?
- Not really.
274
00:13:16,563 --> 00:13:18,696
So have you had
experiences in the house?
275
00:13:18,698 --> 00:13:20,565
- I have.
- Okay, let's talk about them.
276
00:13:20,567 --> 00:13:22,767
It seems anything
electronic breaks.
277
00:13:22,769 --> 00:13:24,102
Okay, so what kind
of things are breaking?
278
00:13:24,104 --> 00:13:27,838
Satellite boxes, printers,
carpet shampooers.
279
00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,140
What makes you think
that has anything to do
280
00:13:29,142 --> 00:13:30,507
with the paranormal?
281
00:13:30,509 --> 00:13:33,845
If it was one thing or two
things, but this is everything.
282
00:13:33,847 --> 00:13:35,046
Okay, what else?
283
00:13:35,048 --> 00:13:37,081
I have seen a black shadow
284
00:13:37,083 --> 00:13:38,515
walking through the hallway,
285
00:13:38,517 --> 00:13:39,784
right out of the corner
of my eye.
286
00:13:39,786 --> 00:13:41,785
How big do you think
this thing was?
287
00:13:41,787 --> 00:13:43,153
About this high.
288
00:13:43,155 --> 00:13:45,590
When I turned to look,
nothing was there.
289
00:13:45,592 --> 00:13:47,791
You may not be taking
this seriously enough.
290
00:13:47,793 --> 00:13:49,861
Your wife is scared
of her own house.
291
00:13:49,863 --> 00:13:51,528
Is it a strain
on your marriage?
292
00:13:51,530 --> 00:13:54,965
Definitely. It's stressful.
I love her. I can't lose her.
293
00:13:54,967 --> 00:13:57,067
Her safety has got to be
the most important thing.
294
00:13:57,069 --> 00:13:59,871
I do love the house,
but I love my wife more.
295
00:14:04,210 --> 00:14:07,679
It's not good back here.
I see people fighting.
296
00:14:07,681 --> 00:14:09,814
How many people are
involved?
297
00:14:09,816 --> 00:14:12,216
Like, 20 to 30.
298
00:14:12,218 --> 00:14:14,152
They're so damn solid,
299
00:14:14,154 --> 00:14:15,819
so I think that
the living people
300
00:14:15,821 --> 00:14:20,424
would see shadow people
out here.
301
00:14:20,426 --> 00:14:23,227
They're very angry and upset.
302
00:14:23,229 --> 00:14:26,564
They don't want living people
out there.
303
00:14:26,566 --> 00:14:29,567
How might the living
be affected by them?
304
00:14:29,569 --> 00:14:33,371
They create bad luck,
mechanically.
305
00:14:33,373 --> 00:14:37,108
I see them messing with vehicles
and electronic equipment.
306
00:14:37,110 --> 00:14:39,843
I think living people
would feel the anxiety,
307
00:14:39,845 --> 00:14:42,780
absolutely, out here,
horrible anxiety.
308
00:14:42,782 --> 00:14:45,183
I feel vertigo.
I feel dizzy. I feel sick.
309
00:14:45,185 --> 00:14:47,118
Emotionally, they would
feel threatened,
310
00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,189
they would feel fear, anger,
not -- not safe.
311
00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:07,338
Now usually,
my clients don't have a clue
312
00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:09,907
what's haunting their house,
313
00:15:09,909 --> 00:15:13,311
but Kimberly thinks it could be
her own family's dark past.
314
00:15:13,313 --> 00:15:14,612
So I had a retired detective
look into
315
00:15:14,614 --> 00:15:16,314
her grandfather's case for me,
316
00:15:16,316 --> 00:15:18,883
and he confirmed
there was a homicide.
317
00:15:18,885 --> 00:15:21,219
He said what started
as a family disagreement
318
00:15:21,221 --> 00:15:22,820
ended in bloodshed
and heartache.
319
00:15:31,864 --> 00:15:33,998
So, Shannon, I know
my client's grandfather
320
00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,866
was involved
in a homicide somehow.
321
00:15:35,868 --> 00:15:37,368
What the hell happened?
322
00:15:37,370 --> 00:15:40,872
Well, your client's
grandfather, Daniel Lockhart,
323
00:15:40,874 --> 00:15:43,941
was the perpetrator
of a homicide.
324
00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:46,577
I've got a couple of photos
of Dan Lockhart here.
325
00:15:50,450 --> 00:15:54,352
On the afternoon
of October the 20th of 1934,
326
00:15:54,354 --> 00:15:56,020
Dan was driving along
327
00:15:56,022 --> 00:15:58,856
in the area of
Billingsley, Alabama,
328
00:15:58,858 --> 00:16:01,926
when his cousin,
Cicero Arnold Johnson,
329
00:16:01,928 --> 00:16:03,027
passes him in the road.
330
00:16:03,029 --> 00:16:04,462
They wave each other down,
331
00:16:04,464 --> 00:16:06,096
and they're on the side
of the road
332
00:16:06,098 --> 00:16:07,932
and they get into
an altercation.
333
00:16:07,934 --> 00:16:09,467
So what the hell happened?
334
00:16:09,469 --> 00:16:11,936
Dan called Cicero
a derogatory name,
335
00:16:11,938 --> 00:16:13,137
and the fight is on.
336
00:16:13,139 --> 00:16:15,072
Some point,
Dan pulls out a knife
337
00:16:15,074 --> 00:16:17,909
and slashes Cicero
several times
338
00:16:17,911 --> 00:16:22,279
and cuts Cicero pretty severely
on his arms and in his torso,
339
00:16:22,281 --> 00:16:25,082
catches him in his stomach,
cuts an artery,
340
00:16:25,084 --> 00:16:28,085
and Cicero dies
on the operating table.
341
00:16:28,087 --> 00:16:30,688
Here's an Alabama
death certificate for Cicero.
342
00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:33,357
Do we know what prompted
him calling him names
343
00:16:33,359 --> 00:16:35,859
or what started this fight?
Well, we don't know exactly.
344
00:16:35,861 --> 00:16:38,229
There is some rumor
that both of these men
345
00:16:38,231 --> 00:16:41,465
might have been involved
in the moonshine business.
346
00:16:41,467 --> 00:16:42,900
All right, it's a pretty
cut and dry case.
347
00:16:42,902 --> 00:16:44,235
Does he get caught
and convicted?
348
00:16:44,237 --> 00:16:47,438
He's sentenced to five years
and he actually serves four.
349
00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,574
It sounds like it was
a pretty lenient sentencing.
350
00:16:50,576 --> 00:16:52,877
Yes.
Do we ever hear from this guy again?
351
00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:54,846
Apparently, he leads
a pretty quiet life
352
00:16:54,848 --> 00:16:57,749
and he passes away in 1976
at the age of 81.
353
00:17:01,054 --> 00:17:03,821
There's some dead guy
back up in here.
354
00:17:03,823 --> 00:17:05,523
He did not die well.
355
00:17:05,525 --> 00:17:06,990
He's white.
356
00:17:06,992 --> 00:17:10,327
And he's trapped
and can't get out.
357
00:17:10,329 --> 00:17:15,500
And I feel, like,
being stabbed in the gut.
358
00:17:15,502 --> 00:17:19,270
Stabbed in my left shoulder.
Lots of pain on the left side.
359
00:17:19,272 --> 00:17:22,873
So sick.
360
00:17:22,875 --> 00:17:24,509
My lordy. Brutal.
361
00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,347
So as soon as I got to
town, I dug through the deeds.
362
00:17:30,349 --> 00:17:31,949
Turns out Kimberly's property
was part
363
00:17:31,951 --> 00:17:34,285
of one of the biggest
slave plantations
364
00:17:34,287 --> 00:17:35,586
in the state of Alabama.
365
00:17:35,588 --> 00:17:37,087
I'm heading over to meet
with an historian
366
00:17:37,089 --> 00:17:39,023
who says the owner was
a ruthless man
367
00:17:39,025 --> 00:17:41,558
who let nothing stand in the way
of his own greed.
368
00:17:48,201 --> 00:17:49,667
Now you mentioned
on the phone
369
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:52,036
the guy that owned my client's
property was driven by greed.
370
00:17:52,038 --> 00:17:53,604
What can you tell me
about this guy?
371
00:17:53,606 --> 00:17:55,706
His name was Jabez Curry.
372
00:17:55,708 --> 00:17:56,941
Here's a picture of him
right there.
373
00:17:56,943 --> 00:18:02,246
He came from Georgia
to Alabama in 1823.
374
00:18:02,248 --> 00:18:03,881
He's 27 years old.
375
00:18:03,883 --> 00:18:06,116
And your client's land
was in a parcel
376
00:18:06,118 --> 00:18:08,385
that he bought
beginning in 1829.
377
00:18:08,387 --> 00:18:13,391
He eventually owned
2,800 acres.
378
00:18:13,393 --> 00:18:16,928
What he was looking for was
to establish a cotton empire.
379
00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:18,596
How much was he worth
in today's time?
380
00:18:18,598 --> 00:18:21,198
In 1860,
the census reports him
381
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,469
as having a wealth
of $340,000.
382
00:18:25,471 --> 00:18:29,206
That's worth
$9.5 to $10 million today.
383
00:18:29,208 --> 00:18:30,941
- Okay.
- He was very successful,
384
00:18:30,943 --> 00:18:32,810
but he couldn't
get that cotton crop in
385
00:18:32,812 --> 00:18:34,712
except on the back
of slaves.
386
00:18:34,714 --> 00:18:36,813
Now do we have any idea
how many slaves he owned
387
00:18:36,815 --> 00:18:38,315
while he was on
my client's property?
388
00:18:38,317 --> 00:18:42,220
By 1860, he had over 155.
389
00:18:42,222 --> 00:18:45,356
Wow.
I mean, that's incredible.
390
00:18:45,358 --> 00:18:46,757
I've done
a lot of these cases
391
00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:49,093
with a lot of the history
regarding slaves,
392
00:18:49,095 --> 00:18:51,228
and people that had
three and four slaves
393
00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:52,496
were considered wealthy.
394
00:19:02,041 --> 00:19:06,010
I'm seeing the shadow guy
with the tree limbs again.
395
00:19:06,012 --> 00:19:08,512
Do you get anything
on who he was in life?
396
00:19:08,514 --> 00:19:11,381
I get that he's more Southern.
397
00:19:11,383 --> 00:19:13,384
He's young, wealthy.
398
00:19:13,386 --> 00:19:19,423
When this guy was alive,
he was into something dark.
399
00:19:19,425 --> 00:19:22,059
There's a lot of land
involved with this.
400
00:19:22,061 --> 00:19:23,360
He's, like,
babbling about, like,
401
00:19:23,362 --> 00:19:27,598
collecting what's his
and just talking about owning --
402
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,501
owning everybody,
like, families,
403
00:19:30,503 --> 00:19:32,870
and he says he owns everyone.
404
00:19:37,209 --> 00:19:39,810
So, Doc, I know the slaves
were treated pretty horribly.
405
00:19:39,812 --> 00:19:42,079
I mean, is this guy any
different from anybody else?
406
00:19:42,081 --> 00:19:43,447
Probably not.
407
00:19:43,449 --> 00:19:45,950
What we know about Jabez Curry
comes from two letters
408
00:19:45,952 --> 00:19:49,987
he wrote to his son
in June of 1862.
409
00:19:49,989 --> 00:19:52,089
He describes a drought,
410
00:19:52,091 --> 00:19:54,224
and his supply lines
were constricted
411
00:19:54,226 --> 00:19:56,493
because of
a Civil War battle nearby.
412
00:19:56,495 --> 00:20:02,399
What Curry did was to cut
his slaves to half meat rations.
413
00:20:02,401 --> 00:20:04,368
What about his family?
Did they take half-rations?
414
00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:07,538
They did not go on
half-rations themselves.
415
00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:08,905
Without them getting fed,
416
00:20:08,907 --> 00:20:10,907
how are they going to work
so that he can make money?
417
00:20:10,909 --> 00:20:12,510
That's why he left them
on half-rations
418
00:20:12,512 --> 00:20:15,379
instead of cutting rations
entirely.
419
00:20:15,381 --> 00:20:18,348
Okay, so he was driven
by greed.
420
00:20:18,350 --> 00:20:20,117
- This is 1862.
- Right.
421
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,053
Now, we know the war didn't
go well for the South.
422
00:20:22,055 --> 00:20:23,321
What happens
to Curry's slaves?
423
00:20:23,323 --> 00:20:24,955
The slaves were emancipated.
424
00:20:24,957 --> 00:20:28,593
It appears that many of Curry's
slaves stayed on the plantation
425
00:20:28,595 --> 00:20:30,461
and worked for him
as sharecroppers.
426
00:20:30,463 --> 00:20:32,329
So how did this sharecropping
work out for the slaves?
427
00:20:32,331 --> 00:20:35,232
It was a system that no one
was ever happy with.
428
00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:36,600
Sharecroppers would sign
429
00:20:36,602 --> 00:20:38,802
an annual contract
with the landowner.
430
00:20:38,804 --> 00:20:42,939
Sharecroppers were then
indebted to the landowner
431
00:20:42,941 --> 00:20:45,810
and could not leave
until they paid their debt.
432
00:20:45,812 --> 00:20:48,879
- So they were slaves still.
- Basically, yeah.
433
00:20:48,881 --> 00:20:50,281
Whatever happens with Curry?
434
00:20:50,283 --> 00:20:52,783
He died in January of 1871.
435
00:20:52,785 --> 00:20:54,485
He was about 72 years old,
436
00:20:54,487 --> 00:20:56,120
and we're unsure
of what he died from.
437
00:20:56,122 --> 00:20:57,287
Okay.
438
00:21:00,226 --> 00:21:04,362
Out here, I get
a lot of death and violence.
439
00:21:04,364 --> 00:21:09,533
Very, very bad out here.
I'm hearing men yelling.
440
00:21:09,535 --> 00:21:13,103
It's those dead guys who are
always fighting outside.
441
00:21:13,105 --> 00:21:16,040
And they're just wearing,
like, a little grass skirt,
442
00:21:16,042 --> 00:21:17,708
and they have spears.
443
00:21:17,710 --> 00:21:22,046
It looks tribal,
more like African.
444
00:21:22,048 --> 00:21:24,582
They're kind of still fighting,
445
00:21:24,584 --> 00:21:28,051
and it feels like
no one really won.
446
00:21:28,053 --> 00:21:29,987
Do you have any idea
when this was?
447
00:21:31,524 --> 00:21:35,059
1830s or 1840s?
448
00:21:38,264 --> 00:21:39,864
Some dude is like,
449
00:21:39,866 --> 00:21:44,868
"This is the moment
of our discontent.
450
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:48,806
This is the moment
of our death."
451
00:21:55,414 --> 00:21:58,015
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452
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453
00:21:59,485 --> 00:22:01,285
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454
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455
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456
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457
00:22:16,502 --> 00:22:19,236
So far, I've got a client
claiming paranormal activity
458
00:22:19,238 --> 00:22:21,572
is ruining her business
and her family's life,
459
00:22:21,574 --> 00:22:23,207
on a property
once owned by a man
460
00:22:23,209 --> 00:22:26,710
who had over 155 slaves.
461
00:22:26,712 --> 00:22:29,346
But I need to see
if there's anything else.
462
00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:32,783
Searching through old records,
I come across Alexander McQueen,
463
00:22:32,785 --> 00:22:35,553
who used to own Kim's land
back in the late 1800s.
464
00:22:35,555 --> 00:22:37,521
It turns out
McQueen was involved
465
00:22:37,523 --> 00:22:42,192
in a lynching of a local
black man during his time there.
466
00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:43,894
So I'm headed over
to meet a local author
467
00:22:43,896 --> 00:22:47,398
who says this was
a classic case of mob rule,
468
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,566
and this poor guy's death
could have been stopped
469
00:22:49,568 --> 00:22:51,268
if it hadn't been
for the previous owner
470
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:52,536
of Kimberly's property.
471
00:22:59,344 --> 00:23:00,678
Well, Dr. Bailey,
thanks for meeting with me.
472
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,079
I appreciate that.
473
00:23:02,081 --> 00:23:04,414
What were the circumstances
that led up to the lynching?
474
00:23:04,416 --> 00:23:08,218
Wednesday night,
November the 2nd, 1898.
475
00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:10,087
Mrs. R.L. Strider
476
00:23:10,089 --> 00:23:11,955
is about to retire
for the night.
477
00:23:11,957 --> 00:23:15,058
She notices someone
underneath her bed.
478
00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:19,029
She screams, and her screaming
gets to the attention
479
00:23:19,031 --> 00:23:21,498
of her husband,
Mr. R.L. Strider,
480
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:24,235
who just happens to be
the Justice of the Peace.
481
00:23:24,237 --> 00:23:26,770
Okay, so he's
the local judge in town. Yes.
482
00:23:26,772 --> 00:23:30,474
Mr. R.L. Strider rushes into
the room and fires two shots
483
00:23:30,476 --> 00:23:32,142
and misses the person.
484
00:23:32,144 --> 00:23:34,178
He goes out and rouses
485
00:23:34,180 --> 00:23:36,513
all of these whites
in the neighborhood.
486
00:23:36,515 --> 00:23:40,751
They form a little posse to
go out and find somebody black.
487
00:23:40,753 --> 00:23:42,653
Okay, so the wife must
have said it was a black guy.
488
00:23:42,655 --> 00:23:45,589
She did, so they just find
the first black guy,
489
00:23:45,591 --> 00:23:47,657
who happens to be
John Williams,
490
00:23:47,659 --> 00:23:50,460
and he becomes the culprit
because of his color.
491
00:23:50,462 --> 00:23:52,997
- This is mind-boggling.
- It really is.
492
00:23:52,999 --> 00:23:57,601
The next morning, Williams
is brought before R.L. Strider,
493
00:23:57,603 --> 00:23:59,236
who's
the Justice of the Peace,
494
00:23:59,238 --> 00:24:01,805
also the husband
of Mrs. R.L. Strider.
495
00:24:01,807 --> 00:24:04,841
There's no evidence at all that
this guy's even on the scene.
496
00:24:04,843 --> 00:24:07,410
He's brought before
the judge in town,
497
00:24:07,412 --> 00:24:10,047
and his wife is
the actual complainant.
498
00:24:10,049 --> 00:24:12,349
Yes.
How is that not a conflict of interest?
499
00:24:12,351 --> 00:24:14,184
That's a major
conflict of interest.
500
00:24:14,186 --> 00:24:16,253
Okay, so I'm assuming
he's found guilty.
501
00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:18,689
He gets convicted swiftly.
502
00:24:18,691 --> 00:24:21,424
R.L. Strider turns him over
to the constable,
503
00:24:21,426 --> 00:24:22,927
who's Alexander McQueen.
504
00:24:22,929 --> 00:24:26,430
At the time,
McQueen owned a property
505
00:24:26,432 --> 00:24:27,931
that you're investigating.
506
00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:30,166
And McQueen is supposed
to transport him
507
00:24:30,168 --> 00:24:31,802
to the jail in Prattville.
508
00:24:31,804 --> 00:24:34,104
So McQueen has Williams
in custody at this point,
509
00:24:34,106 --> 00:24:35,639
and he's taking him
to jail in Prattville.
510
00:24:35,641 --> 00:24:37,308
But I know he never makes it.
So what happened?
511
00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:43,580
Well, in route to Prattville,
McQueen is overtaken by a mob.
512
00:24:43,582 --> 00:24:45,449
They find the nearest tree
513
00:24:45,451 --> 00:24:48,986
and decide they would have
a lynching party.
514
00:24:48,988 --> 00:24:53,090
In the process,
John Williams loses his life.
515
00:24:53,092 --> 00:24:55,259
Here's an article
about that lynching.
516
00:24:58,531 --> 00:25:00,864
Wow.
It sounds like the only guy
517
00:25:00,866 --> 00:25:02,132
that could have
stopped this lynching
518
00:25:02,134 --> 00:25:03,834
was the guy that owned
my client's property.
519
00:25:03,836 --> 00:25:05,469
Okay, is there a chance
520
00:25:05,471 --> 00:25:08,172
that McQueen went after
the lynch mob?
521
00:25:08,174 --> 00:25:10,874
No, he did not.
No charges were ever filed
522
00:25:10,876 --> 00:25:12,909
against any of
the parties involved.
523
00:25:12,911 --> 00:25:16,814
No one in the state
did anything to ensure
524
00:25:16,816 --> 00:25:20,551
that justice was given to
the family of John Williams.
525
00:25:24,957 --> 00:25:27,924
I'm seeing a male out here.
526
00:25:27,926 --> 00:25:29,460
Late teens, early 20s.
527
00:25:29,462 --> 00:25:31,929
It's nighttime, and he's...
528
00:25:31,931 --> 00:25:34,431
close to nude.
529
00:25:34,433 --> 00:25:35,900
And I'm being arrested.
530
00:25:35,902 --> 00:25:39,603
I'm handcuffed
and they're beating me.
531
00:25:39,605 --> 00:25:41,305
And then I black out.
532
00:25:41,307 --> 00:25:46,110
And then when I wake up,
I'm rolling down an embankment.
533
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,014
His body is too broken
534
00:25:50,016 --> 00:25:52,582
and his hands were still tied.
535
00:25:52,584 --> 00:25:55,152
Not handcuffed. Now they're
tied behind his back.
536
00:25:55,154 --> 00:25:57,454
And he dies.
537
00:26:05,797 --> 00:26:08,532
I saw several horrifying
things during my walk,
538
00:26:08,534 --> 00:26:12,236
but the man with the tree limbs
has me very concerned.
539
00:26:12,238 --> 00:26:15,872
First, I'm going to have him
sketched as he appeared in life.
540
00:26:15,874 --> 00:26:20,878
He had a very square chin
and jawline.
541
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,280
His face goes up
and it's pretty thin.
542
00:26:26,151 --> 00:26:28,953
His eyes were pretty large.
543
00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:35,492
Next, I descried him
attacking living people.
544
00:26:35,494 --> 00:26:38,395
In the bed
is a man and a woman.
545
00:26:40,699 --> 00:26:43,500
And in his hand, he's
holding tree branches,
546
00:26:43,502 --> 00:26:46,837
and then two of them
are going into her nose.
547
00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:49,239
The living guy,
he's paralyzed.
548
00:26:58,517 --> 00:27:00,384
Amy, is this what you saw?
549
00:27:00,386 --> 00:27:02,920
Yes, that's what I saw.
550
00:27:22,375 --> 00:27:25,242
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
551
00:27:25,244 --> 00:27:27,710
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
552
00:27:27,712 --> 00:27:30,114
and our clients
for the first time.
553
00:27:30,116 --> 00:27:33,016
Amy, I'd like you to meet
Kimberly and her husband Leo.
554
00:27:33,018 --> 00:27:37,521
They live here with
Kimberly's brother, Kenny,
555
00:27:37,523 --> 00:27:39,923
right here,
and her mother, Henrietta.
556
00:27:39,925 --> 00:27:41,458
Kimberly called us in
557
00:27:41,460 --> 00:27:43,260
because she doesn't think
it's safe for anyone to be here.
558
00:27:43,262 --> 00:27:44,694
As a matter of fact,
559
00:27:44,696 --> 00:27:47,998
she's convinced whatever is here
is trying to kill somebody.
560
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,334
So now that Amy knows
who you guys are,
561
00:27:50,336 --> 00:27:52,169
I'll ask her to describe
her walk for us.
562
00:27:54,774 --> 00:27:57,875
When I got here,
I went into the kitchen
563
00:27:57,877 --> 00:28:03,379
and I saw something strange.
564
00:28:03,381 --> 00:28:07,684
I saw objects were
moving on their own,
565
00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:12,422
but the thing to note here is
that was not a dead person
566
00:28:12,424 --> 00:28:14,258
causing that.
567
00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:18,228
It was actually
a living female,
568
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:22,832
and this person
has latent PK ability,
569
00:28:22,834 --> 00:28:26,103
which is the ability to affect
your surroundings
570
00:28:26,105 --> 00:28:28,304
without touching anything,
571
00:28:28,306 --> 00:28:31,441
but it's not something that's
done in a conscious way.
572
00:28:31,443 --> 00:28:35,612
It's brought on
by a stressful event.
573
00:28:35,614 --> 00:28:38,781
Kimberly's mom is actually in
the early stages of Alzheimer's.
574
00:28:38,783 --> 00:28:40,184
She's in stage one.
575
00:28:40,186 --> 00:28:42,619
Now she moved in
about a year ago.
576
00:28:42,621 --> 00:28:47,790
Things just got much worse,
to the point where we --
577
00:28:47,792 --> 00:28:52,596
I fear for her safety,
and all of us actually.
578
00:28:52,598 --> 00:28:56,266
I'm just stressed.
I can't sleep. I can't eat.
579
00:28:56,268 --> 00:28:58,301
It's been getting worse
for a year.
580
00:28:58,303 --> 00:29:00,003
So the stuff Amy's talking
about in the kitchen,
581
00:29:00,005 --> 00:29:01,405
where stuff goes
flying and falling,
582
00:29:01,407 --> 00:29:03,507
does that mean anything to you?
583
00:29:03,509 --> 00:29:04,874
Yes, it does.
584
00:29:04,876 --> 00:29:08,244
We've had refrigerator magnets
fly off the refrigerator.
585
00:29:08,246 --> 00:29:10,079
So, I mean, do you think
it's Kimberly or her mom
586
00:29:10,081 --> 00:29:11,448
that's got the PK ability?
587
00:29:11,450 --> 00:29:13,517
I think it's Kimberly.
588
00:29:18,557 --> 00:29:21,692
So then I'm going down
the stairs
589
00:29:21,694 --> 00:29:26,296
and I see this dead guy,
and he was on the older side.
590
00:29:26,298 --> 00:29:27,898
This person was not good.
591
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:31,000
He feels like living people
are invading his space.
592
00:29:31,002 --> 00:29:34,438
And I think that living people
who are exposed to him,
593
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,572
one of the things --
594
00:29:35,574 --> 00:29:38,442
one of the traits
they would take on is anger.
595
00:29:38,444 --> 00:29:40,310
The other thing he does
596
00:29:40,312 --> 00:29:44,781
is that he will move things
downstairs often.
597
00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:46,349
Like, so you put
something down
598
00:29:46,351 --> 00:29:48,818
and then you'll find it
in some random location.
599
00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:51,087
We've had things move,
like cellphones,
600
00:29:51,089 --> 00:29:53,089
flashlights, car keys.
601
00:29:53,091 --> 00:29:55,325
- Books.
- House keys.
602
00:29:55,327 --> 00:29:57,527
The things
that concern me more
603
00:29:57,529 --> 00:30:01,798
is that he does drain
people's energy.
604
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,802
They walk in here with energyand all of a sudden, it's gone.
605
00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:09,406
Their immune systemwould get pretty run down.
606
00:30:09,408 --> 00:30:11,307
You know, they could develop,like, bronchitis,
607
00:30:11,309 --> 00:30:14,378
pneumonias,you know, things like that.
608
00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:17,281
I kind of think I'm coming down
with something right now.
609
00:30:17,283 --> 00:30:18,414
Okay.
610
00:30:18,416 --> 00:30:20,951
I've had a cough
for a while now.
611
00:30:20,953 --> 00:30:24,287
He gets pneumonia every year.
So do I, like clockwork.
612
00:30:24,289 --> 00:30:26,757
That's really bad.
613
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:29,159
Now are all of these experiences
from this old guy?
614
00:30:29,161 --> 00:30:33,029
Yeah, all of that is
due to him.
615
00:30:33,031 --> 00:30:34,564
- You believe me now?
- Yes.
616
00:30:34,566 --> 00:30:36,166
I tried to tell you.
617
00:30:40,873 --> 00:30:42,306
When I was in the backyard,
618
00:30:42,308 --> 00:30:47,143
there was a larger group
of deceased males.
619
00:30:47,145 --> 00:30:52,449
They seemed tribal.
They don't want you here.
620
00:30:52,451 --> 00:30:56,953
And they do everything they can
to try to fight the living.
621
00:30:56,955 --> 00:30:59,723
I saw them messing
with the cars out back.
622
00:30:59,725 --> 00:31:03,393
So I think maybe some
of your mechanical things
623
00:31:03,395 --> 00:31:05,228
would have issues.
624
00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:07,064
Kimberly runs
a transmission shop
625
00:31:07,066 --> 00:31:09,466
with her brother Kenny
right here on the property.
626
00:31:09,468 --> 00:31:11,334
Do me a favor.
Tell Amy what happened to Kenny
627
00:31:11,336 --> 00:31:13,403
when he was working on
the truck back there.
628
00:31:13,405 --> 00:31:17,274
Not just one battery exploded,
he had two explode.
629
00:31:17,276 --> 00:31:19,743
The odds of that are pretty,
you know, pretty out there.
630
00:31:19,745 --> 00:31:23,347
- Explode?
- Exploded. Yeah, literally.
631
00:31:23,349 --> 00:31:25,115
That was the turning point
for him.
632
00:31:25,117 --> 00:31:26,683
That's when he said,
"I can't do this."
633
00:31:26,685 --> 00:31:30,487
It's a good thing he wasn't
near the hood because...
634
00:31:30,489 --> 00:31:32,456
Yes, he would have died.
635
00:31:32,458 --> 00:31:34,157
- Now, Leo, you told me...
- Wow.
636
00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:36,493
...about every damn thing
in the house not working.
637
00:31:36,495 --> 00:31:39,429
I've been through
three printers.
638
00:31:39,431 --> 00:31:42,566
I had a Shop-Vac
burned up last week.
639
00:31:42,568 --> 00:31:45,501
Three refrigerators.
Two sets of washers and dryers.
640
00:31:45,503 --> 00:31:49,172
I mean, they are actively
doing things to try to create
641
00:31:49,174 --> 00:31:51,341
as much bad luck as possible
642
00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:54,110
and trying
to get you to leave.
643
00:31:54,112 --> 00:31:57,714
It's working.
644
00:31:57,716 --> 00:31:59,449
And everything
they're doing, though,
645
00:31:59,451 --> 00:32:02,319
is to try to harm you
mentally, emotionally,
646
00:32:02,321 --> 00:32:05,021
and they will
go after you physically.
647
00:32:05,023 --> 00:32:07,257
You would feel stress, panic,
648
00:32:07,259 --> 00:32:10,260
fear in that your life
is in jeopardy.
649
00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:12,529
Now did you get anything
on these guys in life?
650
00:32:12,531 --> 00:32:14,998
Yes. There's a lot of them.
651
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,700
I mean, I could only
figure out about 50,
652
00:32:17,702 --> 00:32:19,336
but I knew there was more.
653
00:32:19,338 --> 00:32:22,339
And they were dressed
extremely odd.
654
00:32:22,341 --> 00:32:25,909
I thought initially
Native American.
655
00:32:25,911 --> 00:32:27,878
So then I thought
maybe African.
656
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,581
They're very protective
of the land.
657
00:32:31,583 --> 00:32:34,084
They're fighting
to protect it.
658
00:32:34,086 --> 00:32:35,685
Something I came across
in my research
659
00:32:35,687 --> 00:32:38,121
that might help make sense
of what you saw,
660
00:32:38,123 --> 00:32:39,656
which is this property
661
00:32:39,658 --> 00:32:42,426
used to be part of one of
the biggest slave plantations
662
00:32:42,428 --> 00:32:44,027
in the state of Alabama.
663
00:32:44,029 --> 00:32:47,331
The guy that owned this place
had over 155 slaves
664
00:32:47,333 --> 00:32:49,833
on the plantation.
665
00:32:49,835 --> 00:32:51,501
Obviously, the work conditions
were awful.
666
00:32:51,503 --> 00:32:53,470
There was mistreatment
and beatings.
667
00:32:53,472 --> 00:32:54,504
And when the Civil War hit,
668
00:32:54,506 --> 00:32:57,441
the guy that owned
all of these slaves
669
00:32:57,443 --> 00:32:59,709
actually cut their food rations
670
00:32:59,711 --> 00:33:02,445
because of the supply lines
being cut off.
671
00:33:02,447 --> 00:33:04,714
They were constantly fighting
for survival.
672
00:33:04,716 --> 00:33:06,783
I would have
never imagined this.
673
00:33:10,722 --> 00:33:12,822
Okay, anything else?
674
00:33:12,824 --> 00:33:15,258
So the next person
that I encountered
675
00:33:15,260 --> 00:33:19,896
is this very powerful
deceased male,
676
00:33:19,898 --> 00:33:21,331
and he concerns me a lot.
677
00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:26,936
This guy is wicked bad.
678
00:33:26,938 --> 00:33:28,538
He was very wealthy.
679
00:33:28,540 --> 00:33:31,074
I felt like he came from
old Southern money.
680
00:33:31,076 --> 00:33:35,011
He was a con man,
a liar, and a cheat.
681
00:33:35,013 --> 00:33:40,684
And he kept yelling about
collecting what was his.
682
00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:45,722
He made it clear that he owned
everybody here, living and dead.
683
00:33:45,724 --> 00:33:47,624
So the guy
that owned this place when it was a plantation
684
00:33:47,626 --> 00:33:50,527
was a guy by the name
of Jabez Curry.
685
00:33:50,529 --> 00:33:53,730
Now you said the guy was
a real Southerner.
686
00:33:53,732 --> 00:33:56,099
This guy comes from Georgia
in 1823
687
00:33:56,101 --> 00:33:59,736
and he basically built
a cotton empire.
688
00:33:59,738 --> 00:34:04,174
He owned 2,800 acres,
including your property.
689
00:34:04,176 --> 00:34:07,243
And he owned it
for over 40 years.
690
00:34:07,245 --> 00:34:10,379
Now you said the guy
thinks he owns everybody
691
00:34:10,381 --> 00:34:11,815
and basically everything.
- Yes.
692
00:34:11,817 --> 00:34:18,020
Well, here's a list
of 155 slaves
693
00:34:18,022 --> 00:34:19,523
that this guy owned
on your property.
694
00:34:23,528 --> 00:34:24,660
Now you mentioned
the guy was a cheat.
695
00:34:24,662 --> 00:34:26,329
So after the Civil War ended,
696
00:34:26,331 --> 00:34:29,900
Curry wound up having to hire
his slaves as sharecroppers.
697
00:34:29,902 --> 00:34:31,868
They were basically
independent contractors for him,
698
00:34:31,870 --> 00:34:35,138
but all Curry cared about
was his own wealth
699
00:34:35,140 --> 00:34:37,741
and he basically
stiffed everybody
700
00:34:37,743 --> 00:34:39,809
when it came time to pay them.
701
00:34:39,811 --> 00:34:43,680
Curry died in 1871
at the age of 73.
702
00:34:43,682 --> 00:34:44,948
Now I don't have a picture
of what he looked like
703
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:46,549
when he was young,
704
00:34:46,551 --> 00:34:49,152
but I got a portrait of him
later on.
705
00:34:52,291 --> 00:34:55,559
Now could Jabez Curry
be the guy you're talking about?
706
00:34:55,561 --> 00:34:58,895
I had a sketch done of
the individual that I saw.
707
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:09,339
That nose is pretty prominent.
708
00:35:15,914 --> 00:35:18,315
Makes me nauseous.
709
00:35:18,317 --> 00:35:21,785
Definitely the same person at
different times in their life.
710
00:35:24,189 --> 00:35:25,955
Looks like
the same person to me.
711
00:35:25,957 --> 00:35:27,390
Do you think
it's the same guy?
712
00:35:27,392 --> 00:35:28,592
Yes.
713
00:35:31,263 --> 00:35:34,130
So what kind of experiences
would they have with this guy?
714
00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:36,867
He's very powerful.
715
00:35:36,869 --> 00:35:42,539
When I saw him initially, he had
these two dark shadows with him,
716
00:35:42,541 --> 00:35:44,641
and they looked like
tree limbs.
717
00:35:44,643 --> 00:35:48,078
But they're not a tree at all.
They're entities.
718
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,746
And he's able to
control these things.
719
00:35:50,748 --> 00:35:52,282
And so I thought, you know,
720
00:35:52,284 --> 00:35:54,017
the living here
will see these things
721
00:35:54,019 --> 00:35:57,520
out of the corner
of their eyes constantly.
722
00:35:57,522 --> 00:35:59,455
Leo, you mentioned the shadows
that you see all the time.
723
00:35:59,457 --> 00:36:01,358
- Yes.
- Tell Amy about that.
724
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,759
I would walk down the hallway
725
00:36:02,761 --> 00:36:05,228
and I would see it
out of the corner of my eye,
726
00:36:05,230 --> 00:36:08,031
either in one corner
or down the stairs.
727
00:36:08,033 --> 00:36:12,936
He utilizes these entities to
basically torture living people
728
00:36:12,938 --> 00:36:14,905
and get what he's after.
729
00:36:14,907 --> 00:36:18,641
What I saw was him messing with
both of the living people
730
00:36:18,643 --> 00:36:21,811
in the master bedroom.
731
00:36:21,813 --> 00:36:24,914
The tree limbs cause
a state of paralysis
732
00:36:24,916 --> 00:36:28,652
so that you wouldn't
be able to move.
733
00:36:28,654 --> 00:36:31,588
He's got them so they're
going up your nose,
734
00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:33,657
into your throat,
down into your body,
735
00:36:33,659 --> 00:36:37,460
and this negative energy
is affecting your organs.
736
00:36:37,462 --> 00:36:40,396
Upon waking or later on,
737
00:36:40,398 --> 00:36:44,734
you would feel sick
from the experience.
738
00:36:44,736 --> 00:36:47,637
Well, you can obviously see
how upset Kimberly is.
739
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:48,805
Couple of things
you talked about
740
00:36:48,807 --> 00:36:51,240
actually affected her directly.
741
00:36:51,242 --> 00:36:54,143
I have nightmares, but I can't
remember the nightmares.
742
00:36:54,145 --> 00:36:56,146
Whenever I wake up,
I have trouble breathing
743
00:36:56,148 --> 00:36:59,215
and it feels like
a weight on my chest,
744
00:36:59,217 --> 00:37:02,619
and heart palpitations.
745
00:37:02,621 --> 00:37:04,420
Okay.
746
00:37:04,422 --> 00:37:07,490
She's also felt like
something held her down in bed.
747
00:37:07,492 --> 00:37:10,259
Something was holding
my legs down, painfully.
748
00:37:10,261 --> 00:37:13,029
And then Leo switched
the light on,
749
00:37:13,031 --> 00:37:15,031
and when he switched
the light on, it releases.
750
00:37:15,033 --> 00:37:18,635
Okay.
He's always in the shadows.
751
00:37:18,637 --> 00:37:21,103
I had a sketch done
of what I saw happening
752
00:37:21,105 --> 00:37:22,639
in the master bedroom.
753
00:37:40,058 --> 00:37:42,926
This is the stuff
of my nightmares.
754
00:37:42,928 --> 00:37:44,694
I feel like I'm in danger.
755
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,600
Some nights I feel like,
when I go to sleep here,
756
00:37:50,602 --> 00:37:52,035
I won't wake up.
757
00:37:54,172 --> 00:37:57,373
He poses a very serious threat
to your health.
758
00:37:57,375 --> 00:37:59,476
Specifically
over the long-term,
759
00:37:59,478 --> 00:38:00,943
this could cause
serious illness,
760
00:38:00,945 --> 00:38:02,445
things like gallstones,
761
00:38:02,447 --> 00:38:04,547
bladder stones,
kidney infections,
762
00:38:04,549 --> 00:38:08,284
and then going into
possible cancers.
763
00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:11,187
He wants to kill
everybody in the house
764
00:38:11,189 --> 00:38:14,157
and make them,
you know, his slaves.
765
00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:19,262
Right now,
he's focused on you.
766
00:38:21,399 --> 00:38:24,567
I'm just so worn out
and tired from all of it.
767
00:38:24,569 --> 00:38:27,770
And maybe that's his plan --
wear you down,
768
00:38:27,772 --> 00:38:29,472
make you sick, kill you.
- Yeah.
769
00:38:29,474 --> 00:38:33,643
It's so far above anything
I could have ever thought.
770
00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:36,613
I'm terrified for her.
771
00:38:36,615 --> 00:38:38,181
And who's to say
that this guy's not gonna
772
00:38:38,183 --> 00:38:40,583
go after your mother next?
773
00:38:40,585 --> 00:38:44,220
I mean, she's depending on me.
She's helpless.
774
00:38:44,222 --> 00:38:47,590
It's something I can't
protect her from.
775
00:38:47,592 --> 00:38:49,926
I just don't want anything
to happen to my mother.
776
00:39:06,294 --> 00:39:08,194
Kimberly, I'm really glad
I took this case
777
00:39:08,196 --> 00:39:10,497
'cause after listening
to what Amy had to say,
778
00:39:10,499 --> 00:39:13,500
it's clear nobody is safe
in this house.
779
00:39:13,502 --> 00:39:16,169
Now it's time to find out if you
can do anything to fight back
780
00:39:16,171 --> 00:39:18,138
and protect your family.
781
00:39:18,140 --> 00:39:19,705
Now for that, I'm gonna
turn it over to Amy.
782
00:39:23,578 --> 00:39:26,011
I feel like
you could stay here,
783
00:39:26,013 --> 00:39:29,849
but it's going to take
a lot of work.
784
00:39:29,851 --> 00:39:32,085
First, you need to move on
the group of dead men
785
00:39:32,087 --> 00:39:33,586
in the backyard.
786
00:39:33,588 --> 00:39:36,222
What I would like
to have happen
787
00:39:36,224 --> 00:39:40,293
is for you to have
a hoodoo practitioner come out
788
00:39:40,295 --> 00:39:43,563
and do the guided
death process with them
789
00:39:43,565 --> 00:39:46,299
and then to assist them
to move on.
790
00:39:46,301 --> 00:39:50,903
And the hoodoo practitioner
that you hire
791
00:39:50,905 --> 00:39:55,608
needs to have
African ancestors.
792
00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:59,478
So let's give them a proper,
peaceful death passage...
793
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,580
Definitely.
794
00:40:00,582 --> 00:40:04,017
...by someone that respects
them and they respect.
795
00:40:04,019 --> 00:40:05,818
Okay.
796
00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:09,155
The second thing is
the slave owner, Jabez.
797
00:40:09,157 --> 00:40:14,593
For him, I would like you to
have a voodoo priest come.
798
00:40:14,595 --> 00:40:20,233
They'll be able to confront him
and banish him from here.
799
00:40:20,235 --> 00:40:23,069
Then that same individual
can easily deal with
800
00:40:23,071 --> 00:40:26,706
the old guy in the basement.
801
00:40:26,708 --> 00:40:28,441
All right, what about
Kimberly's abilities?
802
00:40:28,443 --> 00:40:30,910
Anything she should do
about that?
803
00:40:30,912 --> 00:40:33,646
For you,
to deal with your stress,
804
00:40:33,648 --> 00:40:36,416
I want you to take
30 minutes a day
805
00:40:36,418 --> 00:40:38,985
and I want you
to practice tai chi,
806
00:40:38,987 --> 00:40:41,654
'cause that's gonna help you
to align your chakras.
807
00:40:41,656 --> 00:40:45,057
It's gonna help you
balance out that energy.
808
00:40:45,059 --> 00:40:46,792
You know, Amy,
one other thing.
809
00:40:46,794 --> 00:40:48,661
Kimberly was worried
her dead grandfather
810
00:40:48,663 --> 00:40:51,598
had cursed the house.
Did you get anything on that?
811
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,635
No, I think he's moved on.
812
00:40:55,637 --> 00:40:58,404
So if Kimberly
does all this stuff,
813
00:40:58,406 --> 00:41:00,306
will it be safe
for her mom to stay here?
814
00:41:00,308 --> 00:41:02,275
Yes.
815
00:41:03,645 --> 00:41:06,445
It's what we want.
That's what we need.
816
00:41:06,447 --> 00:41:08,948
It's a lot of work,
but I've seen a lot worse.
817
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:11,283
So I'm gonna ask you, Kimberly.
you gonna take Amy's advice?
818
00:41:11,285 --> 00:41:14,453
I'm gonna do
exactly what Amy says.
819
00:41:14,455 --> 00:41:15,755
We can do this.
820
00:41:15,757 --> 00:41:17,423
- Leo?
- Yes, definitely.
821
00:41:17,425 --> 00:41:19,359
I've gotta have her safe.
822
00:41:19,361 --> 00:41:23,229
It's a lot to digest,
but this gives us a lot of hope
823
00:41:23,231 --> 00:41:25,631
there's light at the end
of the tunnel.
824
00:41:25,633 --> 00:41:27,634
Thank you both very much.
825
00:41:30,338 --> 00:41:32,972
I hope Kimberly finds
a hoodoo practitioner
826
00:41:32,974 --> 00:41:35,174
to move on the dead
in the backyard,
827
00:41:35,176 --> 00:41:37,777
and a voodoo priest
to banish the slave owner
828
00:41:37,779 --> 00:41:39,579
and the old man in the basement.
829
00:41:39,581 --> 00:41:42,448
If she does that
and practices tai chi,
830
00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:43,983
she can balance her energy
831
00:41:43,985 --> 00:41:46,386
and lead a safe
and peaceful life.
832
00:41:46,436 --> 00:41:50,986
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