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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,577 --> 00:00:13,212 This is a terrible place. 2 00:00:13,214 --> 00:00:15,514 It's out of control. 3 00:00:15,516 --> 00:00:18,751 My whole life has been turned upside down. 4 00:00:18,753 --> 00:00:20,853 "You are in the pit of Hell." 5 00:00:20,855 --> 00:00:22,054 What do you think's here? 6 00:00:22,056 --> 00:00:23,088 Death. 7 00:00:23,090 --> 00:00:25,323 That's where the Manson family hung out. 8 00:00:25,325 --> 00:00:26,792 It makes people evil. 9 00:00:26,794 --> 00:00:28,360 I feel punished every day. 10 00:00:28,362 --> 00:00:30,462 I just don't want to wake up sometimes. 11 00:00:30,464 --> 00:00:31,597 My God. 12 00:00:31,599 --> 00:00:35,167 She doesn't get better, she gets worse. 13 00:00:35,169 --> 00:00:37,136 I don't know how anybody lives here. 14 00:00:37,138 --> 00:00:40,272 The pain is ridiculous. 15 00:00:40,274 --> 00:00:43,374 Panic, panic, panic. 16 00:00:43,376 --> 00:00:45,377 My name is Amy Allan. 17 00:00:45,379 --> 00:00:46,912 I'm seeing, like, blood. 18 00:00:46,914 --> 00:00:50,315 The house just feels bad. 19 00:00:50,317 --> 00:00:51,784 I see dead people. 20 00:00:51,786 --> 00:00:56,388 This man is completely insane. 21 00:00:56,390 --> 00:00:59,324 I speak to dead people. 22 00:00:59,326 --> 00:01:01,526 Okay, she doesn't like it in there. 23 00:01:01,528 --> 00:01:03,495 And they speak to me. 24 00:01:03,497 --> 00:01:05,197 He likes to twist that knife. 25 00:01:05,199 --> 00:01:09,034 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 26 00:01:09,036 --> 00:01:12,638 Something paranormal is trying to kill them. 27 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,206 I rely on my partner. 28 00:01:14,208 --> 00:01:15,908 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 29 00:01:15,910 --> 00:01:18,077 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 30 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:19,678 Now, does he die right there on the spot? 31 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,682 I know every person, every house has secrets. 32 00:01:23,684 --> 00:01:26,251 I think it's trying to steal my soul. 33 00:01:26,253 --> 00:01:28,119 It's my job to reveal them. 34 00:01:28,121 --> 00:01:30,189 You ever get touched like that again? 35 00:01:30,191 --> 00:01:32,024 But Steve and I never speak... 36 00:01:32,026 --> 00:01:34,159 We never communicate during an investigation. 37 00:01:34,161 --> 00:01:35,694 ...until the very end... 38 00:01:35,696 --> 00:01:37,496 I'm as stunned as you guys are. 39 00:01:37,498 --> 00:01:39,565 ...when we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 40 00:01:39,567 --> 00:01:41,767 I don't want anything to happen to my daughter. 41 00:01:41,769 --> 00:01:43,668 ...or time to get out. 42 00:01:43,670 --> 00:01:46,104 His goal is to kill you guys. 43 00:02:02,389 --> 00:02:03,722 I'm in Chatsworth, California. 44 00:02:03,724 --> 00:02:05,924 It's a suburb about an hour outside of L.A. 45 00:02:05,926 --> 00:02:08,093 I got a call from woman named Nancy. 46 00:02:08,095 --> 00:02:10,762 Now, she sounded really bad when I spoke to her. 47 00:02:10,764 --> 00:02:12,397 She was crying and said her dream house 48 00:02:12,399 --> 00:02:14,999 is trying to kill her. 49 00:02:15,001 --> 00:02:17,269 I'm really hoping Amy and I can help this woman out. 50 00:02:22,510 --> 00:02:23,742 Before Amy arrives, 51 00:02:23,744 --> 00:02:27,746 I clear the area of any leading information. 52 00:02:27,748 --> 00:02:30,348 This home has a lot of photographs, 53 00:02:30,350 --> 00:02:32,717 musical instruments, 54 00:02:32,719 --> 00:02:35,554 and dream catchers. 55 00:02:35,556 --> 00:02:39,691 So it's important I cover or remove them all. 56 00:02:39,693 --> 00:02:43,228 When I'm done, the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 57 00:02:55,642 --> 00:02:57,108 God. 58 00:02:57,110 --> 00:03:00,445 This particular area 59 00:03:00,447 --> 00:03:04,215 is extremely negative. 60 00:03:04,217 --> 00:03:09,021 There's something with the Earth. 61 00:03:09,023 --> 00:03:11,656 Extremely bad, bad, bad area. 62 00:03:11,658 --> 00:03:16,261 It's just a huge, huge black hole. 63 00:03:16,263 --> 00:03:19,731 I'm hearing, "You are literally in the pit of Hell." 64 00:03:32,079 --> 00:03:33,411 You know, Nancy, when we spoke on the phone, 65 00:03:33,413 --> 00:03:34,879 you were pretty upset. 66 00:03:34,881 --> 00:03:36,948 Kind of broke my heart to hear you cry. 67 00:03:36,950 --> 00:03:38,583 What's going on with you here? 68 00:03:38,585 --> 00:03:41,620 My whole life has been turned upside down. 69 00:03:41,622 --> 00:03:44,690 It's kind of like being trapped in Hell. 70 00:03:44,692 --> 00:03:47,626 I feel punished every day. 71 00:03:47,628 --> 00:03:50,362 I just don't want to wake up sometimes. 72 00:03:50,364 --> 00:03:51,896 We're gonna try to help you out here, okay? 73 00:03:51,898 --> 00:03:53,432 Thank you. 74 00:03:53,434 --> 00:03:54,432 Do you live here alone? 75 00:03:54,434 --> 00:03:55,567 Yeah, I'm alone. 76 00:03:55,569 --> 00:03:56,968 Just me and a couple of my kitties. 77 00:03:56,970 --> 00:03:59,371 So what attracted you to this house? 78 00:03:59,373 --> 00:04:00,539 Being in the music industry, 79 00:04:00,541 --> 00:04:02,774 I wanted some peace and quiet, 80 00:04:02,776 --> 00:04:05,310 just not be around the rat race. 81 00:04:05,312 --> 00:04:06,745 I thought I was gonna grown old here. 82 00:04:06,747 --> 00:04:10,314 I really thought this was where I was gonna die. 83 00:04:10,316 --> 00:04:11,783 Have you experienced paranormal 84 00:04:11,785 --> 00:04:12,718 before you moved here? 85 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,287 Yes, since I was even very young, 86 00:04:15,289 --> 00:04:16,854 I've been a sensitive. 87 00:04:16,856 --> 00:04:18,523 So, Nancy, you believe you have abilities? 88 00:04:18,525 --> 00:04:21,993 Yes, I've been told many times I'm empathic. 89 00:04:21,995 --> 00:04:23,928 Okay, so do me a favor and give me a list 90 00:04:23,930 --> 00:04:25,897 of what the hell's going on in this house. 91 00:04:25,899 --> 00:04:28,299 There's footsteps. 92 00:04:28,301 --> 00:04:30,869 I see shadow figures. 93 00:04:30,871 --> 00:04:34,305 I get physical touching. 94 00:04:34,307 --> 00:04:35,440 I have nightmares. 95 00:04:35,442 --> 00:04:37,609 They're terrifying. 96 00:04:37,611 --> 00:04:40,812 My health just started deteriorating. 97 00:04:40,814 --> 00:04:42,814 What kind of health issues are we talking? 98 00:04:42,816 --> 00:04:46,751 Since I moved in, I started having skeletal issues. 99 00:04:46,753 --> 00:04:48,486 I have multiple sclerosis. 100 00:04:48,488 --> 00:04:50,888 I have a brain tumor. 101 00:04:50,890 --> 00:04:53,625 - A what? - A brain tumor. 102 00:04:53,627 --> 00:04:57,696 They monitor it and I'm going blind in my left eye. 103 00:04:57,698 --> 00:04:59,397 I can't feel my legs. 104 00:04:59,399 --> 00:05:00,364 Honey, I'm sorry. 105 00:05:00,366 --> 00:05:02,100 Thank you. 106 00:05:02,102 --> 00:05:03,068 Thank you. 107 00:05:03,070 --> 00:05:05,704 You're welcome. 108 00:05:05,706 --> 00:05:08,573 So, I'm really glad you guys are here. 109 00:05:08,575 --> 00:05:10,041 Sounds like since you moved here, 110 00:05:10,043 --> 00:05:11,910 everything went downhill for you. 111 00:05:11,912 --> 00:05:13,845 I used to have everything. 112 00:05:13,847 --> 00:05:15,379 I was the it girl. 113 00:05:15,381 --> 00:05:18,650 I had it all and I have nothing now. 114 00:05:18,652 --> 00:05:21,053 It's literally this house. 115 00:05:21,055 --> 00:05:22,721 Since I walked in, 116 00:05:22,723 --> 00:05:26,124 a place of happiness turned into just 117 00:05:26,126 --> 00:05:27,125 this big nightmare. 118 00:05:27,127 --> 00:05:28,660 Just everything's gone. 119 00:05:28,662 --> 00:05:29,928 Why the hell would you stay here? 120 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:31,730 I put everything into this house 121 00:05:31,732 --> 00:05:33,732 and this is why I have you here. 122 00:05:33,734 --> 00:05:35,167 Okay. 123 00:05:35,169 --> 00:05:37,101 'Cause I'd really like to keep my house. 124 00:05:42,643 --> 00:05:46,211 The interesting thing here is that the living 125 00:05:46,213 --> 00:05:50,282 and the dead are so meshed, 126 00:05:50,284 --> 00:05:53,585 it's like they're living in each other's realities. 127 00:05:55,021 --> 00:05:59,091 The living people who live here are way too open. 128 00:06:00,494 --> 00:06:02,494 I want to say that there's at least two sensitives 129 00:06:02,496 --> 00:06:04,963 who are living who are consistently here. 130 00:06:04,965 --> 00:06:06,431 Can you elaborate on that? 131 00:06:06,433 --> 00:06:08,833 Living people have been attracted to this place 132 00:06:08,835 --> 00:06:11,303 because it's haunted. 133 00:06:13,306 --> 00:06:16,574 I think that people come here and the thing is, 134 00:06:16,576 --> 00:06:18,143 is they're pulled. 135 00:06:18,145 --> 00:06:20,445 I think they think most of it's positive, but it's not. 136 00:06:20,447 --> 00:06:22,180 It's really not. 137 00:06:22,182 --> 00:06:23,848 Most of it's negative. 138 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:26,251 It's out of control. 139 00:06:26,253 --> 00:06:27,452 It's not good. 140 00:06:34,862 --> 00:06:36,728 All right, Nancy, so what's going on in here? 141 00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:38,430 I get touched. 142 00:06:38,432 --> 00:06:40,331 It's almost like caressing. 143 00:06:40,333 --> 00:06:42,000 Where are you being touched? 144 00:06:42,002 --> 00:06:43,502 My arms, my hands. 145 00:06:43,504 --> 00:06:44,636 How often does that happen? 146 00:06:44,638 --> 00:06:46,004 Sporadically. 147 00:06:46,006 --> 00:06:47,872 Couple times a week. 148 00:06:47,874 --> 00:06:49,207 It's very shocking. 149 00:06:49,209 --> 00:06:51,143 Anything else physical like that ever happen? 150 00:06:51,145 --> 00:06:52,544 I wake up with bruising, 151 00:06:52,546 --> 00:06:55,046 and it would be like somebody's grabbed me. 152 00:06:55,048 --> 00:06:56,448 I don't live with anybody, 153 00:06:56,450 --> 00:06:58,350 so where are these bruises coming from? 154 00:06:58,352 --> 00:07:00,552 People that have a white blood cell that's low 155 00:07:00,554 --> 00:07:01,686 bruise easily. 156 00:07:01,688 --> 00:07:02,753 Is that something to do with your conditions? 157 00:07:02,755 --> 00:07:04,322 No, I'm fine that way. 158 00:07:04,324 --> 00:07:06,224 Okay, all right. 159 00:07:10,564 --> 00:07:13,130 I'm getting a lot -- a lot of physical pain. 160 00:07:13,132 --> 00:07:15,900 Something's happening here on my neck 161 00:07:15,902 --> 00:07:17,769 and a pain in my stomach. 162 00:07:17,771 --> 00:07:20,171 Some of the pain I'm having is related 163 00:07:20,173 --> 00:07:21,706 to a living person. 164 00:07:21,708 --> 00:07:24,442 It's like something's got them. 165 00:07:24,444 --> 00:07:30,181 I think that they have a dead person that is doing this 166 00:07:30,183 --> 00:07:31,315 to them all the time. 167 00:07:31,317 --> 00:07:34,786 It's a dead woman. 168 00:07:34,788 --> 00:07:36,521 It's causing a lot of this pain. 169 00:07:36,523 --> 00:07:38,590 There's always this pain. 170 00:07:38,592 --> 00:07:40,258 Do you know who this is happening to? 171 00:07:40,260 --> 00:07:43,094 I'm damn positive it's a female. 172 00:07:43,096 --> 00:07:45,797 Do you have any idea why she's wanting to do this 173 00:07:45,799 --> 00:07:46,798 to this person? 174 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,933 She hates them, hates them. 175 00:07:48,935 --> 00:07:51,435 Feels trapped, bound. 176 00:07:53,907 --> 00:07:57,742 She's making this weird noise all the time. 177 00:07:57,744 --> 00:08:00,612 It's like a combination of growling and screaming 178 00:08:00,614 --> 00:08:03,048 and wanting to bite. 179 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:05,816 Not good. 180 00:08:13,893 --> 00:08:15,827 All right, Nanc, so this is your room, I assume? 181 00:08:15,829 --> 00:08:17,562 - Yes. - Okay, so what's going on? 182 00:08:17,564 --> 00:08:18,763 It's just mood swings. 183 00:08:18,765 --> 00:08:20,231 I wake up angry. 184 00:08:20,233 --> 00:08:21,499 It happens a lot. 185 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:23,534 It's like it's someone else's anger. 186 00:08:23,536 --> 00:08:25,903 It's not mine. - What do you mean? 187 00:08:25,905 --> 00:08:29,074 I feel like someone's maybe attached to me somehow. 188 00:08:29,076 --> 00:08:32,310 I had a friend tell me that your outbursts affect 189 00:08:32,312 --> 00:08:34,379 her being around me. 190 00:08:34,381 --> 00:08:36,381 Nothing worse than needing somebody 191 00:08:36,383 --> 00:08:37,648 and then they're not there. 192 00:08:37,650 --> 00:08:38,650 Yeah. 193 00:08:38,652 --> 00:08:39,717 All right, anything else? 194 00:08:39,719 --> 00:08:41,119 Um, there's shadow figures. 195 00:08:41,121 --> 00:08:43,488 It looks like somebody's passing the window. 196 00:08:43,490 --> 00:08:45,389 So when you're seeing this shadow go by, 197 00:08:45,391 --> 00:08:48,326 is it the same height all the time, different heights? 198 00:08:48,328 --> 00:08:49,494 What are we talking about? 199 00:08:49,496 --> 00:08:50,929 It seems about the same height, 200 00:08:50,931 --> 00:08:54,132 that it reminds me of a man who's probably about 5'11". 201 00:08:54,134 --> 00:08:55,967 Have you ever checked for anyone outside? 202 00:08:55,969 --> 00:08:58,636 Yeah, nobody. Nobody's there. 203 00:09:03,577 --> 00:09:06,111 I don't like it back there. 204 00:09:06,113 --> 00:09:08,813 There's death back there, there's death. 205 00:09:13,020 --> 00:09:14,686 Okay, this is bad. 206 00:09:14,688 --> 00:09:17,822 There is a negative entity here. 207 00:09:17,824 --> 00:09:20,825 What people would call it would be a demon. 208 00:09:20,827 --> 00:09:22,293 It's evil. 209 00:09:22,295 --> 00:09:25,163 The living here can hear it breathing. 210 00:09:25,165 --> 00:09:29,367 They see shadow things going back and forth. 211 00:09:29,369 --> 00:09:30,768 And I'm dizzy. 212 00:09:30,770 --> 00:09:32,771 Living people have that a lot here. 213 00:09:37,177 --> 00:09:38,309 All right, so what else is going on? 214 00:09:38,311 --> 00:09:40,378 I get the worst nightmares. 215 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:42,313 It's the same dream I've had repetitively 216 00:09:42,315 --> 00:09:43,314 for several years. 217 00:09:43,316 --> 00:09:44,449 Tell me about the nightmares. 218 00:09:44,451 --> 00:09:45,583 I'm curious what they are. 219 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:47,218 I started being attacked. 220 00:09:47,220 --> 00:09:50,321 I feel like this demon thing is pulling me back. 221 00:09:50,323 --> 00:09:53,124 So when you talk about this demon in this dream, 222 00:09:53,126 --> 00:09:55,059 do you see it or is it just a feeling? 223 00:09:55,061 --> 00:09:58,196 I see it with arms. 224 00:09:58,198 --> 00:10:00,264 I don't really see it like I see you. 225 00:10:00,266 --> 00:10:01,699 Okay. 226 00:10:01,701 --> 00:10:03,268 Do you think whatever's here is intentionally trying 227 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:04,668 to hurt you and get you out of here? 228 00:10:04,670 --> 00:10:06,471 I don't know if it's trying to get me out 229 00:10:06,473 --> 00:10:08,473 as much as it's trying to keep me in. 230 00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:13,945 This person is having constant nightmares, 231 00:10:13,947 --> 00:10:15,880 but no one's sleeping. 232 00:10:15,882 --> 00:10:19,150 Someone now has developed breathing issues. 233 00:10:24,991 --> 00:10:29,694 I thought I saw something crawling from out under the bed, 234 00:10:29,696 --> 00:10:33,697 which they might actually see. 235 00:10:33,699 --> 00:10:36,067 I'm getting the head thing again. 236 00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:37,234 I don't know how anybody lives here. 237 00:10:37,236 --> 00:10:39,771 The pain is ridiculous. 238 00:11:00,727 --> 00:11:02,594 So, Jodie, I was talking to Nancy. 239 00:11:02,596 --> 00:11:04,963 I understand you're good friends with her. Yeah. 240 00:11:04,965 --> 00:11:06,131 You know, she's one of my best friends in the world. 241 00:11:06,133 --> 00:11:07,731 She feels whatever's in this house 242 00:11:07,733 --> 00:11:08,999 is causing her health to decline. 243 00:11:09,001 --> 00:11:10,335 Do you agree with that? 244 00:11:10,337 --> 00:11:12,804 I do. She is really struggling. 245 00:11:12,806 --> 00:11:15,740 What used to be so easy for her 246 00:11:15,742 --> 00:11:19,610 is 1,000 times harder than it ever used to be. 247 00:11:19,612 --> 00:11:21,112 As you get older, I mean, 248 00:11:21,114 --> 00:11:22,746 I can't blame the paranormal on my stuff. 249 00:11:22,748 --> 00:11:24,549 So why do you think it's the paranormal here? 250 00:11:24,551 --> 00:11:28,019 When I met her, she was vibrant, 251 00:11:28,021 --> 00:11:31,222 vivacious, so strong, 252 00:11:31,224 --> 00:11:34,225 and just could set her mind to anything 253 00:11:34,227 --> 00:11:35,960 and accomplish it. 254 00:11:35,962 --> 00:11:40,465 And now she struggles every day. 255 00:11:40,467 --> 00:11:44,935 She'll just get angry for no reason. 256 00:11:44,937 --> 00:11:46,638 She will break down, 257 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,706 'cause she doesn't want to live like this. 258 00:11:48,708 --> 00:11:51,509 Okay, so now as far as experiences in the house, 259 00:11:51,511 --> 00:11:53,978 have you had any? 260 00:11:53,980 --> 00:11:57,014 I've just had a really creepy feeling. 261 00:11:57,016 --> 00:11:59,450 Like I don't like being alone here. 262 00:11:59,452 --> 00:12:00,852 Okay, why? 263 00:12:00,854 --> 00:12:03,320 It's like someone's standing behind you almost. 264 00:12:03,322 --> 00:12:04,455 Okay. 265 00:12:04,457 --> 00:12:05,423 And that makes me really worried for her. 266 00:12:05,425 --> 00:12:06,391 I was gonna ask ya, I mean, 267 00:12:06,393 --> 00:12:07,459 you gotta be worried about her. 268 00:12:07,461 --> 00:12:09,026 She's your good friend. - Absolutely. 269 00:12:09,028 --> 00:12:11,496 - Think she's in danger here? - Yes. 270 00:12:11,498 --> 00:12:12,730 What about her moving out of here? 271 00:12:12,732 --> 00:12:13,998 What's your opinion on that? 272 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,602 I would really, really like to see her go 273 00:12:17,604 --> 00:12:21,806 and just experience new energy and just have 274 00:12:21,808 --> 00:12:23,641 a chance at a new life. 275 00:12:28,548 --> 00:12:32,650 There's a lot of random dead out here. 276 00:12:32,652 --> 00:12:36,987 These are like shadow people, but they're dead people. 277 00:12:36,989 --> 00:12:40,158 It's possible that living people in the neighborhood, 278 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,427 as well as here, have seen them. 279 00:12:45,798 --> 00:12:50,768 I think all of this going all the...way back 280 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:53,805 should be mowed down 281 00:12:53,807 --> 00:12:57,275 and made into nothing. 282 00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:58,743 That's how I feel about this place. 283 00:13:01,047 --> 00:13:04,582 Like all of a sudden, I'm enraged. 284 00:13:04,584 --> 00:13:06,050 Your blood pressure goes up and your head's pounding 285 00:13:06,052 --> 00:13:08,987 and you're, like, just ready to... 286 00:13:08,989 --> 00:13:11,189 like, beat the.. out of somebody. 287 00:13:19,599 --> 00:13:20,731 So Nicole, I understand 288 00:13:20,733 --> 00:13:21,866 you're good friends with Nancy. 289 00:13:21,868 --> 00:13:23,234 Yes. 290 00:13:23,236 --> 00:13:26,671 I've known Nancy for 12 years now, almost 13 years. 291 00:13:26,673 --> 00:13:29,073 She was talking about how bad her health has declined. 292 00:13:29,075 --> 00:13:30,074 And she blames the house 293 00:13:30,076 --> 00:13:31,375 and what's going on here on it. 294 00:13:31,377 --> 00:13:32,810 Do you agree with that? 295 00:13:32,812 --> 00:13:34,011 I do agree. 296 00:13:34,013 --> 00:13:37,215 This place is, it's unhealthy. 297 00:13:37,217 --> 00:13:38,616 It's unnatural. 298 00:13:38,618 --> 00:13:40,618 I'm an extremely sensitive person, 299 00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:41,953 and I've been tormented 300 00:13:41,955 --> 00:13:44,555 for about 15 years of my life because of it. 301 00:13:44,557 --> 00:13:46,624 Okay. 302 00:13:46,626 --> 00:13:47,992 How about here? 303 00:13:47,994 --> 00:13:49,761 Have you had any experiences in this house? 304 00:13:49,763 --> 00:13:51,629 Yes, I spent the night here. 305 00:13:51,631 --> 00:13:53,765 I had a terrifying dream. 306 00:13:53,767 --> 00:13:55,833 So Nancy told me about her nightmares. 307 00:13:55,835 --> 00:13:57,235 What are yours like? 308 00:13:57,237 --> 00:14:00,104 Literally being held down, like being pulled down 309 00:14:00,106 --> 00:14:01,906 in a bed that was in this room. 310 00:14:01,908 --> 00:14:03,541 I was reaching for the sky. 311 00:14:03,543 --> 00:14:07,378 I was reaching for some greater, higher power 312 00:14:07,380 --> 00:14:10,515 and having these clawing hands 313 00:14:10,517 --> 00:14:12,783 kind of holding me back. 314 00:14:12,785 --> 00:14:14,118 I felt like I was paralyzed, like I couldn't move. 315 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,820 I felt nothing in my body moved. 316 00:14:16,822 --> 00:14:17,955 I'm gonna just go out and say it. 317 00:14:17,957 --> 00:14:19,791 It's a demonic dream. 318 00:14:19,793 --> 00:14:21,692 Okay, so anything else? 319 00:14:21,694 --> 00:14:24,628 Yeah, I would get hit in this house all the time. 320 00:14:24,630 --> 00:14:26,263 When you say hit, you mean physically hit? 321 00:14:26,265 --> 00:14:29,267 Yes. I would feel these pains. 322 00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:30,601 I would get hit in my neck. 323 00:14:30,603 --> 00:14:32,403 I've been hit in my hip. 324 00:14:32,405 --> 00:14:33,571 Feels like you're getting stabbed. 325 00:14:33,573 --> 00:14:34,739 Feels like you're getting cut. 326 00:14:34,741 --> 00:14:36,407 So when this happened, 327 00:14:36,409 --> 00:14:38,075 did you get a sense that it was a human? 328 00:14:38,077 --> 00:14:40,678 No, this was not human. 329 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,547 This was something that scared me and made me cry. 330 00:14:43,549 --> 00:14:46,217 Would you say Nancy's in danger here? 331 00:14:46,219 --> 00:14:48,820 Yeah, I think that her health and her life 332 00:14:48,822 --> 00:14:51,488 is in danger being here. 333 00:14:51,490 --> 00:14:52,890 She's sick. 334 00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:56,894 She doesn't get better, she gets worse. 335 00:14:56,896 --> 00:14:59,297 And she was perfectly fine when I met her. 336 00:14:59,299 --> 00:15:00,498 So what do you think's here? 337 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:02,032 Death. 338 00:15:06,506 --> 00:15:07,772 I don't know, it's just very loud in here. 339 00:15:07,774 --> 00:15:08,906 It's very bad in here. 340 00:15:08,908 --> 00:15:11,976 It's very negative in here. 341 00:15:11,978 --> 00:15:16,314 There are dead that are coming from around here 342 00:15:16,316 --> 00:15:18,549 and coming and going and coming and going. 343 00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:29,393 it's like a white path and I see a trail of death. 344 00:15:29,395 --> 00:15:32,797 It's the same people over and over again. 345 00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:35,933 Somebody here is bringing dead people, 346 00:15:35,935 --> 00:15:37,802 so that's not good. 347 00:15:52,552 --> 00:15:54,152 Look, I know the Manson family's hideout 348 00:15:54,154 --> 00:15:55,353 was in this area, 349 00:15:55,355 --> 00:15:57,488 so I reached out to a local crime writer. 350 00:15:57,490 --> 00:16:00,024 Now, he says there was actually another deadly cult 351 00:16:00,026 --> 00:16:02,626 that operated real close to Nancy's house. 352 00:16:02,628 --> 00:16:05,930 I'm hoping this is gonna help my investigation. 353 00:16:11,404 --> 00:16:13,804 So, Mike, I know Manson had some sort of a hideout 354 00:16:13,806 --> 00:16:14,872 near my client's property. 355 00:16:14,874 --> 00:16:16,340 What can you tell me about that? 356 00:16:16,342 --> 00:16:18,409 It was about 2 miles away from your client's house, 357 00:16:18,411 --> 00:16:20,478 and they called it Spawn Ranch. 358 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,747 Manson gave his orders from the ranch. 359 00:16:22,749 --> 00:16:25,983 That was their home base and he would decide 360 00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:28,118 who's gonna live and who's gonna die 361 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,055 and a lot of his followers were these teenagers, 362 00:16:31,057 --> 00:16:32,489 some from good homes. 363 00:16:32,491 --> 00:16:33,891 It was shocking. 364 00:16:33,893 --> 00:16:36,093 People said, "This could be my daughter." 365 00:16:36,095 --> 00:16:39,062 So I know in '69, Manson and his followers wreaked havoc 366 00:16:39,064 --> 00:16:41,699 through these hills here, but refresh my memory, 367 00:16:41,701 --> 00:16:43,467 what was the body count, what happened? 368 00:16:43,469 --> 00:16:46,203 9 people died in the summer of 1969. 369 00:16:46,205 --> 00:16:47,972 These followers were involved in two 370 00:16:47,974 --> 00:16:50,241 of the most famous murders in L.A. history. 371 00:16:50,243 --> 00:16:53,411 One was the Sharon Tate murders in the Hollywood Hills. 372 00:16:53,413 --> 00:16:56,147 She was an actress married to Roman Polanski. 373 00:16:56,149 --> 00:16:58,282 Tate was what, almost nine months pregnant? 374 00:16:58,284 --> 00:16:59,850 - Yeah. - Okay. 375 00:16:59,852 --> 00:17:02,620 They stabbed her to death and four others. 376 00:17:02,622 --> 00:17:04,121 Next day, they go 377 00:17:04,123 --> 00:17:07,291 to Leno and Rosemary LaBianca's house, 378 00:17:07,293 --> 00:17:09,360 stab them to death. 379 00:17:09,362 --> 00:17:11,195 Was there any violence on the ranch 380 00:17:11,197 --> 00:17:12,563 near my client's property? 381 00:17:12,565 --> 00:17:14,765 There was a murder on the ranch. 382 00:17:14,767 --> 00:17:17,167 This was a guy named Donald Shea. 383 00:17:17,169 --> 00:17:18,368 He was a stunt man, 384 00:17:18,370 --> 00:17:20,771 sort of a ranch hand at the Spawn Ranch 385 00:17:20,773 --> 00:17:23,641 and Manson, after those killings, was very paranoid. 386 00:17:23,643 --> 00:17:25,109 He thought people were ratting him out and he thought 387 00:17:25,111 --> 00:17:27,912 this guy, Shea, was ratting him out and had him killed. 388 00:17:27,914 --> 00:17:30,113 Okay, so what were the circumstances of his murder? 389 00:17:30,115 --> 00:17:31,849 It was a grizzly killing. 390 00:17:31,851 --> 00:17:35,419 They hit him over the head, stabbed him repeatedly, 391 00:17:35,421 --> 00:17:37,655 and then ditched his body in the hills 392 00:17:37,657 --> 00:17:40,258 just about 2 miles from your client's property. 393 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:42,493 You know, growing up on the streets of Brooklyn 394 00:17:42,495 --> 00:17:43,661 and looking at this, you would think, 395 00:17:43,663 --> 00:17:45,263 this is a safe place to be. 396 00:17:45,265 --> 00:17:46,864 Yeah, the people who lived here 397 00:17:46,866 --> 00:17:48,532 thought it was a safe place to be. 398 00:17:48,534 --> 00:17:49,667 Turned out it wasn't. 399 00:17:57,877 --> 00:18:00,878 There are a lot of dead people. 400 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,780 I would say eight. 401 00:18:02,782 --> 00:18:05,149 These dead people are murder victims. 402 00:18:05,151 --> 00:18:06,984 They were male and female. 403 00:18:06,986 --> 00:18:08,152 Did you get a timeframe? 404 00:18:08,154 --> 00:18:10,621 I would say within the last 60 years. 405 00:18:10,623 --> 00:18:13,691 There is a possibility that two of them died together 406 00:18:13,693 --> 00:18:15,893 or five of them died together. 407 00:18:15,895 --> 00:18:20,964 I saw a woman and she was short, well-endowed, 408 00:18:20,966 --> 00:18:22,300 was kind of bigger up here. 409 00:18:22,302 --> 00:18:24,902 So I don't know if she had a belly or not, 410 00:18:24,904 --> 00:18:26,303 you know kind of thing. 411 00:18:26,305 --> 00:18:29,273 Then there was a girl dragging me by my left arm. 412 00:18:30,977 --> 00:18:34,312 I'm having horrible pain on my left side. 413 00:18:34,314 --> 00:18:38,082 Then there's another male. 414 00:18:38,084 --> 00:18:40,050 I'm getting that he didn't die with the others 415 00:18:40,052 --> 00:18:44,055 and he's in the dark and he's tall and he's thin, 416 00:18:44,057 --> 00:18:45,589 and he's young. 417 00:18:45,591 --> 00:18:47,725 I'm getting hit in the head, right temple. 418 00:18:47,727 --> 00:18:53,831 I think that somebody came here and killed this person. 419 00:18:53,833 --> 00:18:55,132 Now, you mentioned on the phone 420 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:56,534 there was another cult in the area. 421 00:18:56,536 --> 00:18:58,669 What can you tell me about that one? 422 00:18:58,671 --> 00:19:00,938 This is a cult that's even closer to your client's house, 423 00:19:00,940 --> 00:19:02,873 about a half mile away. 424 00:19:02,875 --> 00:19:05,542 This was called The Fountain of the World, 425 00:19:05,544 --> 00:19:08,445 and it was founded by this guy named Francis Pencovic. 426 00:19:08,447 --> 00:19:10,281 Here's a picture of him. 427 00:19:10,283 --> 00:19:13,217 That's his wife next to him. 428 00:19:13,219 --> 00:19:14,886 He looks the part. 429 00:19:14,888 --> 00:19:18,556 Now, he's a Jewish World War II vet who came to believe 430 00:19:18,558 --> 00:19:21,626 that he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. 431 00:19:21,628 --> 00:19:24,896 He changed his name from Francis to Krishna Venta. 432 00:19:24,898 --> 00:19:27,564 They built the compound in 1948. 433 00:19:27,566 --> 00:19:29,233 About 60 followers. 434 00:19:29,235 --> 00:19:30,500 Okay. 435 00:19:30,502 --> 00:19:32,836 They wore robes, they went around barefooted, 436 00:19:32,838 --> 00:19:34,138 they were vegetarians, 437 00:19:34,140 --> 00:19:36,374 which was a little weird at that time. 438 00:19:36,376 --> 00:19:38,175 Kind of early hippies. 439 00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:39,510 All right, they're do-gooders eating vegetables. 440 00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:40,911 When did it go wrong? 441 00:19:40,913 --> 00:19:44,649 Krishna Venta was not as he appeared to be. 442 00:19:44,651 --> 00:19:46,216 He had a dark side, 443 00:19:46,218 --> 00:19:49,720 and he was absconding with his followers' money. 444 00:19:49,722 --> 00:19:50,988 He was taking it off to Vegas and Reno, 445 00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:52,390 losing it at the tables. 446 00:19:52,392 --> 00:19:56,260 He was sleeping with their wives, sexual abuse, 447 00:19:56,262 --> 00:19:58,796 all kinds of stuff going on behind the scenes. 448 00:19:58,798 --> 00:19:59,964 You know, one day, 449 00:19:59,966 --> 00:20:02,800 two former followers didn't want any more of this, 450 00:20:02,802 --> 00:20:05,402 and they took matters into their own hands. 451 00:20:05,404 --> 00:20:07,004 What did they do? 452 00:20:07,006 --> 00:20:10,807 1958, the two ex-followers go into the compound, 453 00:20:10,809 --> 00:20:12,242 go up to a building. 454 00:20:12,244 --> 00:20:14,745 One of 'em's got 20 sticks of dynamite strapped 455 00:20:14,747 --> 00:20:16,080 to his body. 456 00:20:16,082 --> 00:20:18,282 Blows the place sky high. 457 00:20:18,284 --> 00:20:20,551 At the end of the day, 10 people are dead, 458 00:20:20,553 --> 00:20:22,887 including Krishna Venta. 459 00:20:22,889 --> 00:20:24,955 All right, so everybody's blown up here. 460 00:20:24,957 --> 00:20:26,624 So did the cult end at this point? 461 00:20:26,626 --> 00:20:27,825 Surprisingly no. 462 00:20:27,827 --> 00:20:29,360 It kept going for years and years. 463 00:20:29,362 --> 00:20:30,828 There's a long rumor 464 00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:33,898 that Charles Manson himself visited the cult 465 00:20:33,900 --> 00:20:35,032 in about 1968 466 00:20:35,034 --> 00:20:37,968 and that's where he got some of his ideas. 467 00:20:42,308 --> 00:20:44,908 I'm seeing another group of dead people out here. 468 00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:46,176 So how many are there? 469 00:20:46,178 --> 00:20:49,313 There's probably about 10 or 12 of these people 470 00:20:49,315 --> 00:20:54,151 and then there's a male saying that he wanted money. 471 00:20:54,153 --> 00:20:56,654 He's pissed. He's pissed. 472 00:20:56,656 --> 00:20:58,489 I'm being slapped across the face. 473 00:20:58,491 --> 00:20:59,924 I'm on my knees. 474 00:21:01,894 --> 00:21:04,661 But I'm hearing now, there's no church here. 475 00:21:11,304 --> 00:21:13,070 For more information about the show 476 00:21:13,072 --> 00:21:14,871 and if you need us to investigate 477 00:21:14,873 --> 00:21:16,807 unexplained activity in your home... 478 00:21:16,809 --> 00:21:20,077 Please visit travelchannel.com/thedeadfiles. 479 00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:22,079 Click on "Help Me, Dead Files!" to submit your story 480 00:21:22,081 --> 00:21:23,214 and we'll help if we can. 481 00:21:31,390 --> 00:21:33,658 So far I've got a client who believes the activity 482 00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:35,459 in her house is trying to kill her 483 00:21:35,461 --> 00:21:39,530 on a property close to the compounds of two deadly cults. 484 00:21:39,532 --> 00:21:41,565 But I want to see if there's anything else. 485 00:21:43,036 --> 00:21:46,236 Searching through old records, I find a French land baron 486 00:21:46,238 --> 00:21:48,005 named Miguel Leonis. 487 00:21:48,007 --> 00:21:50,240 Turns out Miguel used to own Nancy's property 488 00:21:50,242 --> 00:21:53,310 and used any means necessary to protect it. 489 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:55,479 So I'm headed over to meet a local historian 490 00:21:55,481 --> 00:21:56,947 who says that as soon as this guy got 491 00:21:56,949 --> 00:21:58,282 to my client's property, 492 00:21:58,284 --> 00:22:01,285 he started acting real violent and unstable. 493 00:22:07,226 --> 00:22:08,959 So Dinna, I appreciate 494 00:22:08,961 --> 00:22:10,761 you helping me out with this case. 495 00:22:10,763 --> 00:22:12,229 What do we know about this guy 496 00:22:12,231 --> 00:22:14,031 that owned my client's property? 497 00:22:14,033 --> 00:22:15,833 His name was Miguel Leonis. 498 00:22:15,835 --> 00:22:17,435 He was from the Basque region of France, 499 00:22:17,437 --> 00:22:20,705 and he arrived in the area in 1854. 500 00:22:22,575 --> 00:22:24,108 All right, so how does this guy 501 00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:25,842 wind up with my client's property? 502 00:22:25,844 --> 00:22:29,447 In 1859, he enters into common law marriage 503 00:22:29,449 --> 00:22:33,584 with a Chumash Indian woman named Espiritu. 504 00:22:36,722 --> 00:22:38,989 This is where Miguel and Espiritu lived. 505 00:22:38,991 --> 00:22:40,591 This is the actual house they lived in? 506 00:22:40,593 --> 00:22:42,159 Yes. 507 00:22:42,161 --> 00:22:43,294 Okay, so now you mentioned on the phone that this guy 508 00:22:43,296 --> 00:22:44,528 had, like, a violent streak going. 509 00:22:44,530 --> 00:22:45,996 What was that all about? 510 00:22:45,998 --> 00:22:49,666 He was obsessed with building his real-estate empire 511 00:22:49,668 --> 00:22:51,268 and his growing fortune. 512 00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:52,803 This land, this ranch, 513 00:22:52,805 --> 00:22:55,172 he basically stole from his father-in-law. 514 00:22:55,174 --> 00:22:56,540 How'd he do that? 515 00:22:56,542 --> 00:22:59,210 He convinced his father-in-law that in order 516 00:22:59,212 --> 00:23:00,811 to protect the ranch from the government, 517 00:23:00,813 --> 00:23:04,281 he should sign title of the property over to him 518 00:23:04,283 --> 00:23:05,482 as a temporary measure. 519 00:23:05,484 --> 00:23:06,817 Okay. 520 00:23:06,819 --> 00:23:10,287 Never, ever did he transfer the ownership back 521 00:23:10,289 --> 00:23:11,588 to his father-in-law. 522 00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:13,390 - Really? - Yes. 523 00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:14,625 What happens next with this guy? 524 00:23:14,627 --> 00:23:18,428 Now he has his sites set on acquiring land 525 00:23:18,430 --> 00:23:19,764 owned by his neighbors. 526 00:23:19,766 --> 00:23:21,265 Okay, so how's he do that? 527 00:23:21,267 --> 00:23:24,535 Hounding people off their property, burning crops, 528 00:23:24,537 --> 00:23:27,638 bribing judges, intimidating witnesses. 529 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:33,544 Which resulted in control of 11,000 acres 530 00:23:33,546 --> 00:23:34,845 of property in this area. 531 00:23:34,847 --> 00:23:36,580 Okay, so this guy was a real piece of work. 532 00:23:36,582 --> 00:23:37,648 Absolutely. 533 00:23:37,650 --> 00:23:39,516 What ends up happening to Leonis? 534 00:23:39,518 --> 00:23:42,586 While traveling over the Cahuenga Pass 535 00:23:42,588 --> 00:23:44,054 with three others in a heavy wagon 536 00:23:44,056 --> 00:23:45,389 full of firewood, he somehow fell 537 00:23:45,391 --> 00:23:46,457 off his wagon 538 00:23:46,459 --> 00:23:48,325 and got crushed underneath the wheels. 539 00:23:53,199 --> 00:23:55,166 It's just very bad in here. 540 00:23:55,168 --> 00:23:58,068 This is no good. 541 00:23:58,070 --> 00:24:00,537 This is a terrible place. 542 00:24:00,539 --> 00:24:04,875 I feel like I'm falling into the ground here. 543 00:24:04,877 --> 00:24:07,545 I think the demon lives in here 544 00:24:07,547 --> 00:24:11,549 and there's this darkness with the demon. 545 00:24:11,551 --> 00:24:12,816 It's horrible. 546 00:24:12,818 --> 00:24:14,618 And how would the living be affected by that? 547 00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:17,587 It makes people evil. 548 00:24:17,589 --> 00:24:20,491 I think a male died here from this thing. 549 00:24:20,493 --> 00:24:24,428 I don't know how, but I think that this thing killed a male. 550 00:24:25,698 --> 00:24:28,365 Another thing caught my eye in research. 551 00:24:28,367 --> 00:24:30,901 One of the previous owners of Nancy's property died 552 00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:33,304 in a tragic car accident back in the '70s. 553 00:24:33,306 --> 00:24:35,539 I'm heading over to meet a retired L.A.P.D. officer 554 00:24:35,541 --> 00:24:37,141 who dug into the case file for me. 555 00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:39,577 She says there was no justice for the victim. 556 00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:48,051 So, Cheryl, I appreciate 557 00:24:48,053 --> 00:24:49,153 you helping me out with this case. 558 00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:50,387 Before we get to the accident, 559 00:24:50,389 --> 00:24:51,922 what can you tell me about the victim? 560 00:24:51,924 --> 00:24:54,858 Alice Lansman was 29 years old, California native. 561 00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:56,894 She and her husband, Mark, purchased the house 562 00:24:56,896 --> 00:24:59,730 that you're looking into back in 1973. 563 00:24:59,732 --> 00:25:02,466 Okay, so they purchased my client's house in 1973, 564 00:25:02,468 --> 00:25:04,868 but I know the accident happened a few years later. 565 00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:06,670 What exactly happened? 566 00:25:06,672 --> 00:25:10,774 On January 11, 1977, at approximately 10:30 p.m., 567 00:25:10,776 --> 00:25:13,010 Alice was driving about three miles 568 00:25:13,012 --> 00:25:14,277 from where she lived with Mark. 569 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:15,613 Okay. 570 00:25:15,615 --> 00:25:16,814 She entered the intersection and was broad-sided 571 00:25:16,816 --> 00:25:18,315 by another vehicle. 572 00:25:18,317 --> 00:25:21,351 The other driver was driving about 70 miles per hour 573 00:25:21,353 --> 00:25:23,720 at the time of impact and it was so intense, 574 00:25:23,722 --> 00:25:25,889 that it literally knocked the engine out of the car 575 00:25:25,891 --> 00:25:28,025 that was being driven by Alice at the time. 576 00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:29,893 Really? Does she die at the scene? 577 00:25:29,895 --> 00:25:31,995 What happened? - She did die at the scene. 578 00:25:31,997 --> 00:25:34,898 She suffered brain trauma, fractured skull, 579 00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:36,667 and according to the coroner's report, 580 00:25:36,669 --> 00:25:40,871 she punctured her spleen and her liver. 581 00:25:40,873 --> 00:25:44,909 Wow, this kid got hit really, really bad. 582 00:25:44,911 --> 00:25:46,977 It's almost a good thing she did die immediately. 583 00:25:46,979 --> 00:25:49,112 Now, what about the driver that hit her? 584 00:25:49,114 --> 00:25:51,315 Did she get hurt? - Actually she did. 585 00:25:51,317 --> 00:25:53,117 She received facial lacerations and she was transported 586 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,785 to the hospital for medical treatment 587 00:25:54,787 --> 00:25:56,453 and was ultimately arrested there 588 00:25:56,455 --> 00:25:57,687 for felony manslaughter. 589 00:25:57,689 --> 00:25:59,123 But according to the records, 590 00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:01,458 there was no indication that she ever served time. 591 00:26:01,460 --> 00:26:03,026 It looks like the case just got dropped. 592 00:26:03,028 --> 00:26:04,194 It just went away. 593 00:26:04,196 --> 00:26:05,462 But there was no justice for Alice, 594 00:26:05,464 --> 00:26:06,930 'cause she never served a day in jail. 595 00:26:06,932 --> 00:26:07,998 Correct. 596 00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:15,272 There's a dead woman with me right now. 597 00:26:15,274 --> 00:26:18,375 She's white, thin, she's young. 598 00:26:18,377 --> 00:26:21,011 She's probably, like, in her 20s. 599 00:26:21,013 --> 00:26:23,480 She says -- She's trying to stop me. 600 00:26:23,482 --> 00:26:25,649 She doesn't want to go back here. 601 00:26:25,651 --> 00:26:30,321 And she says, "Turn around, you don't want this." 602 00:26:30,323 --> 00:26:32,256 And then she just shows me blood. 603 00:26:32,258 --> 00:26:36,694 She has got blood all over her, just fear, fear, fear. 604 00:26:41,634 --> 00:26:44,367 I saw several horrifying things during my walk, 605 00:26:44,369 --> 00:26:45,970 but two stood out. 606 00:26:45,972 --> 00:26:49,339 First, the dead woman I saw attacking a living person. 607 00:26:49,341 --> 00:26:54,645 The deceased female is definitely a small build. 608 00:26:54,647 --> 00:26:58,181 She's always pushing the living person's head 609 00:26:58,183 --> 00:27:01,118 and shoulder apart 610 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:05,622 and the person is miserable. 611 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:08,725 Next, I described how the demon showed itself to me. 612 00:27:08,727 --> 00:27:11,995 It had really thick, black hair. 613 00:27:11,997 --> 00:27:17,200 The face was like a skull without the jaw. 614 00:27:23,743 --> 00:27:26,409 Amy, is this what you saw? 615 00:27:26,411 --> 00:27:28,345 Yes, that's what I saw. 616 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,067 Now that Amy and I have completed 617 00:27:50,069 --> 00:27:52,602 our investigations, we're ready to reveal our findings 618 00:27:52,604 --> 00:27:56,673 to each other and our clients for the first time. 619 00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:58,442 Amy, I'd like you to meet Nancy. 620 00:27:58,444 --> 00:28:01,145 She lives here alone and was hoping to grow old 621 00:28:01,147 --> 00:28:03,814 and die in this house. 622 00:28:03,816 --> 00:28:06,417 She still thinks she's gonna die, 623 00:28:06,419 --> 00:28:08,685 just sooner than expected. 624 00:28:08,687 --> 00:28:10,354 Nicole's her longtime friend. 625 00:28:10,356 --> 00:28:12,089 She's really worried about Nancy 626 00:28:12,091 --> 00:28:15,793 and thinks she's in serious danger. 627 00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:18,261 Now that Amy knows a little bit about you guys, 628 00:28:18,263 --> 00:28:19,896 I'll ask her to describe her walk. 629 00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:27,404 The second I walked onto your property, 630 00:28:27,406 --> 00:28:30,974 I could tell that there's definitely 631 00:28:30,976 --> 00:28:35,045 environmental factors that are at play here. 632 00:28:35,047 --> 00:28:38,115 The energy around this property is so intense 633 00:28:38,117 --> 00:28:41,852 that I believe it would be an attractive area 634 00:28:41,854 --> 00:28:45,121 for a sensitive to go to. 635 00:28:45,123 --> 00:28:47,157 It almost draws you in, you're thinking, 636 00:28:47,159 --> 00:28:50,059 "Whoo, I feel good here," 637 00:28:50,061 --> 00:28:53,397 but it's a false positive. 638 00:28:53,399 --> 00:28:56,966 It's not actually good, and the damage 639 00:28:56,968 --> 00:29:00,470 that it does to your body is ridiculous. 640 00:29:02,941 --> 00:29:06,210 I did get that there were at least two sensitives 641 00:29:06,212 --> 00:29:10,947 that were having experiences in this location. 642 00:29:10,949 --> 00:29:13,483 I've been told I'm an empath. 643 00:29:13,485 --> 00:29:15,218 Yeah, I can feel when people die. 644 00:29:15,220 --> 00:29:18,288 - Really? Ew. - It's awful. 645 00:29:18,290 --> 00:29:20,557 You feel like you have some kind of sensitivity, don't you? 646 00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:23,927 Yes, I have felt people take their lives. 647 00:29:23,929 --> 00:29:25,428 You have to learn how to kind of block it out, 648 00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:26,897 but you get used to it. 649 00:29:26,899 --> 00:29:29,633 - She doesn't want the gift. - No, I don't. 650 00:29:29,635 --> 00:29:33,169 God bless you, girl, but I don't want it. 651 00:29:33,171 --> 00:29:35,972 Because there's open sensitives, 652 00:29:35,974 --> 00:29:40,778 it's drawing a lot of dead from surrounding areas. 653 00:29:42,514 --> 00:29:45,315 These are, like, shadow people. 654 00:29:45,317 --> 00:29:46,850 But they're dead people. 655 00:29:46,852 --> 00:29:50,821 It's possible that living people in the neighborhood, 656 00:29:50,823 --> 00:29:53,323 as well as here, have seen them. 657 00:29:53,325 --> 00:29:55,191 Amy, Nancy told me she sees 658 00:29:55,193 --> 00:29:57,995 shadow figures outside her house. 659 00:29:57,997 --> 00:30:00,396 In the purple room, there's windows, 660 00:30:00,398 --> 00:30:02,799 and you could always catch the tail end 661 00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:04,434 of the guy going by the window. 662 00:30:04,436 --> 00:30:06,403 Anybody's who's stayed at my home, 663 00:30:06,405 --> 00:30:09,273 they would answer the door, like, nonstop. 664 00:30:09,275 --> 00:30:10,741 And they were like, "There's nobody here." 665 00:30:10,743 --> 00:30:13,076 Wow. 666 00:30:13,078 --> 00:30:16,413 This negative energy isn't just drawing the dead in, 667 00:30:16,415 --> 00:30:20,717 it's also causing emotional issues within the house. 668 00:30:20,719 --> 00:30:23,086 Extreme mood changes with the living 669 00:30:23,088 --> 00:30:25,756 and what it brought out was sudden anger 670 00:30:25,758 --> 00:30:28,759 and being suddenly enraged out of nowhere, 671 00:30:28,761 --> 00:30:33,296 and I literally felt blood pressure going up, 672 00:30:33,298 --> 00:30:38,135 and feeling this want to beat the...out of somebody. 673 00:30:38,137 --> 00:30:40,804 Nancy, tell Amy how you've changed, 674 00:30:40,806 --> 00:30:42,906 as far as your personality goes. 675 00:30:42,908 --> 00:30:45,776 Well, what you just described is exactly what happens. 676 00:30:45,778 --> 00:30:50,580 I get, out of nowhere, just that angry. 677 00:30:50,582 --> 00:30:56,219 Really angry, like I want to kill my cat. 678 00:30:56,221 --> 00:30:57,554 Hands-clenched anger. 679 00:30:57,556 --> 00:30:59,689 And I am not that person. 680 00:31:02,494 --> 00:31:04,261 So what else? 681 00:31:04,263 --> 00:31:07,698 I saw five people sitting on a couch together. 682 00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:09,065 Then there were two more 683 00:31:09,067 --> 00:31:11,100 that were sitting on a loveseat. 684 00:31:11,102 --> 00:31:12,269 They died together. 685 00:31:12,271 --> 00:31:15,339 And then I saw a male, and he was, like, 686 00:31:15,341 --> 00:31:19,276 in the back, in the shadows, elongated, thin. 687 00:31:19,278 --> 00:31:21,544 They all seemed somehow to kind of 688 00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:24,347 know each other or be related. 689 00:31:24,349 --> 00:31:27,517 I think they're coming to your home 690 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:29,152 trying to seek help. 691 00:31:29,154 --> 00:31:31,621 They would have died within the last 60 years. 692 00:31:31,623 --> 00:31:33,823 It was all violent deaths. 693 00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:36,092 The only man who could speak, 694 00:31:36,094 --> 00:31:38,295 I believe he was bludgeoned 695 00:31:38,297 --> 00:31:42,231 or something with his head, because it was horrible. 696 00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:45,535 And then, when I walked up to your front door, 697 00:31:45,537 --> 00:31:47,637 there was someone else there, ready to kill. 698 00:31:47,639 --> 00:31:51,575 It scares me. 699 00:31:51,577 --> 00:31:52,909 It sounds a lot like the history 700 00:31:52,911 --> 00:31:54,945 I'm sure everybody at this table knows about. 701 00:31:54,947 --> 00:31:57,981 - Right, the Manson family. - Exactly. 702 00:31:57,983 --> 00:31:59,382 What you probably didn't know is that 703 00:31:59,384 --> 00:32:01,718 in the summer of '69, the Manson family actually 704 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,788 hid out about 2 miles from here. 705 00:32:04,790 --> 00:32:07,524 This is -- I don't like this. 706 00:32:07,526 --> 00:32:09,459 When I went to meditate, 707 00:32:09,461 --> 00:32:12,896 I was witnessing the murder of Sharon Tate. 708 00:32:12,898 --> 00:32:15,465 I was literally freaking the...out. 709 00:32:15,467 --> 00:32:19,136 My God, I don't know how you do this. 710 00:32:21,607 --> 00:32:24,307 Manson's hideout is very close to your property. 711 00:32:24,309 --> 00:32:26,209 It's called Spahn Ranch. 712 00:32:26,211 --> 00:32:28,111 Well, Spahn Ranch is where he gave 713 00:32:28,113 --> 00:32:31,281 all the orders for the murders in '69. 714 00:32:33,685 --> 00:32:34,951 I got a couple of photos. 715 00:32:34,953 --> 00:32:37,553 I'm sure you guys have seen these before. 716 00:32:40,992 --> 00:32:42,959 They're on a rampage, the family killed 717 00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:46,796 a total of nine people, plus an unborn baby. 718 00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:49,366 5 people were killed on August 8, 1969, 719 00:32:49,368 --> 00:32:53,436 which included Sharon Tate and four others. 720 00:32:53,438 --> 00:32:55,172 The next night, two more were murdered, 721 00:32:55,174 --> 00:32:58,108 Leno and Rosemary LaBianca. 722 00:32:58,110 --> 00:32:58,975 Those murders happened 723 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:00,377 kind of far from here, in the city, 724 00:33:00,379 --> 00:33:03,580 but one person was murdered right at the ranch. 725 00:33:03,582 --> 00:33:06,249 Three weeks after the Tate-LaBianca murders, 726 00:33:06,251 --> 00:33:08,118 Manson started getting paranoid 727 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,320 with somebody ratting him out to the cops, 728 00:33:10,322 --> 00:33:12,255 and he blamed a local ranch hand, 729 00:33:12,257 --> 00:33:16,259 and it was a stunt guy named Donald Shea. 730 00:33:16,261 --> 00:33:18,862 The family took this guy out for a ride and beat him 731 00:33:18,864 --> 00:33:22,098 over the head with a pipe and then stabbed him to death. 732 00:33:23,268 --> 00:33:25,669 Then they dumped his body in the hills 733 00:33:25,671 --> 00:33:27,937 2 miles from here. 734 00:33:27,939 --> 00:33:29,906 Now, do you think the Manson family 735 00:33:29,908 --> 00:33:32,209 is who you saw roaming around Nancy's property? 736 00:33:32,211 --> 00:33:33,443 I think it's the victims. 737 00:33:33,445 --> 00:33:36,012 - The victims. - Yes. 738 00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:38,448 They're seeking her because she's a sensitive? 739 00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:40,483 Yes, because she's a sensitive, yes. 740 00:33:40,485 --> 00:33:42,085 I don't know what to do with it. 741 00:33:42,087 --> 00:33:45,422 I've got dead people seeking me, but I can't help. 742 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,760 Anything else? 743 00:33:49,762 --> 00:33:51,428 I'm in the living room, 744 00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:53,964 and I ran into a dead older female. 745 00:33:53,966 --> 00:33:55,798 She was very tiny. 746 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,302 But, very big problem, she has attached herself 747 00:33:59,304 --> 00:34:03,173 to a living person and wants revenge. 748 00:34:03,175 --> 00:34:06,977 She was yelling that she felt trapped 749 00:34:06,979 --> 00:34:09,445 by the living people in the house. 750 00:34:09,447 --> 00:34:11,181 She is very physical. 751 00:34:11,183 --> 00:34:15,118 I felt bad pain in my neck, 752 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,721 my upper back, my left shoulder, and my stomach. 753 00:34:18,723 --> 00:34:21,124 And then she hit me in the head. 754 00:34:21,126 --> 00:34:24,528 Um, so I felt like the living there 755 00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:27,530 would definitely have experiences 756 00:34:27,532 --> 00:34:30,367 with this female. 757 00:34:30,369 --> 00:34:32,735 Well, we've got a lot to talk about here. 758 00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:34,137 Tell her how you wake up bruised. 759 00:34:34,139 --> 00:34:37,874 Um, I get bruises, legs or arms or, like, 760 00:34:37,876 --> 00:34:41,311 somebody's pressure grabbed, you know? 761 00:34:41,313 --> 00:34:43,746 Now, Nicole, you've told me about you getting... 762 00:34:43,748 --> 00:34:45,348 Hit, yeah. 763 00:34:45,350 --> 00:34:48,018 I got hit in the neck and I got hit in my hip. 764 00:34:48,020 --> 00:34:49,085 You know, I want to ask you something. 765 00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:50,620 Now, Nancy looks good. 766 00:34:50,622 --> 00:34:52,022 She looks healthy, right? 767 00:34:52,024 --> 00:34:55,191 She has the health problems of an 80-year-old person, 768 00:34:55,193 --> 00:34:56,493 and I'm wondering... - Wow. 769 00:34:56,495 --> 00:34:58,762 ...if it's related to this old woman. 770 00:34:58,764 --> 00:35:01,898 I have primary progressive multiple sclerosis. 771 00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:05,101 I have a brain tumor. - What? 772 00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:08,104 I have -- there's just a laundry list. 773 00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:09,039 I mean... - What? 774 00:35:09,041 --> 00:35:11,241 ...going blind in my left eye. 775 00:35:11,243 --> 00:35:12,509 What? 776 00:35:12,511 --> 00:35:13,843 Sometimes I can't walk. 777 00:35:13,845 --> 00:35:16,679 - Or even get up out of bed. - Yeah. 778 00:35:16,681 --> 00:35:19,582 Whether you're aware or not, you're a medium, 779 00:35:19,584 --> 00:35:23,052 but because you're not protecting yourself, 780 00:35:23,054 --> 00:35:28,624 you're still going to absorb, um, deaths. 781 00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:30,827 All right, so when this old lady's attacking, 782 00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:31,995 what's it look like? 783 00:35:31,997 --> 00:35:35,599 I did have a sketch done of what I saw. 784 00:35:46,411 --> 00:35:48,278 You're not gonna like this. 785 00:35:59,791 --> 00:36:01,558 And this is all the time? 786 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,959 All the time. 787 00:36:02,961 --> 00:36:04,728 'Cause she lives on your back. 788 00:36:07,866 --> 00:36:11,301 This is heavy. I'm so sorry, Nancy. 789 00:36:15,574 --> 00:36:17,240 There was one more thing 790 00:36:17,242 --> 00:36:19,442 that I was very worried about. 791 00:36:19,444 --> 00:36:22,178 I'm looking into the hall, 792 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:25,215 and there's this little dark thing going by. 793 00:36:25,217 --> 00:36:26,850 About the size of a child. 794 00:36:26,852 --> 00:36:29,585 It has sharp nails. 795 00:36:29,587 --> 00:36:30,787 And it is evil. 796 00:36:30,789 --> 00:36:32,689 Pure...evil. 797 00:36:32,691 --> 00:36:39,329 What I saw specifically was what people call a demon, 798 00:36:39,331 --> 00:36:43,666 and all it wants to do is cause harm, okay? 799 00:36:43,668 --> 00:36:46,035 I think that the living might hear it breathing. 800 00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:49,939 It does sound kind of like a rattling when it breathes. 801 00:36:49,941 --> 00:36:51,407 It can also be physical. 802 00:36:51,409 --> 00:36:53,776 Saw that it caused terrible nightmares. 803 00:36:53,778 --> 00:36:58,315 I don't see how you can sleep in that house. 804 00:36:58,317 --> 00:37:00,216 Nancy, tell Amy about the recurring nightmares you have. 805 00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:04,754 I go up the stairs, I start getting attacked by... 806 00:37:04,756 --> 00:37:06,456 I don't know what it is. 807 00:37:06,458 --> 00:37:10,026 When I wake up, I am literally fighting, 808 00:37:10,028 --> 00:37:12,028 trying to pull myself away from it. 809 00:37:12,030 --> 00:37:14,030 The first time that I had ever spent the night, 810 00:37:14,032 --> 00:37:15,832 I was being held down by something 811 00:37:15,834 --> 00:37:19,602 that was literally restraining me to the bed. 812 00:37:19,604 --> 00:37:20,971 I was so scared. 813 00:37:20,973 --> 00:37:24,040 I knew I was gonna die. 814 00:37:24,042 --> 00:37:26,109 Okay, did you get a good look at it? 815 00:37:26,111 --> 00:37:28,078 I had a sketch done of what I saw. 816 00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:33,916 Oof. 817 00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,255 My God. 818 00:37:39,257 --> 00:37:41,658 This is so scary. 819 00:37:45,196 --> 00:37:46,596 What the hell is that? 820 00:37:51,136 --> 00:37:54,137 That is the creepiest thing. 821 00:37:54,139 --> 00:37:57,673 This makes me... it makes me angry, 822 00:37:57,675 --> 00:38:01,277 and I feel so bad for you. 823 00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:02,979 I don't even know what to say about this, 824 00:38:02,981 --> 00:38:06,449 and it's not even human, so how am I supposed to fight this? 825 00:38:06,451 --> 00:38:07,950 Well, you know, she basically turned out 826 00:38:07,952 --> 00:38:09,953 and told me, "I feel whatever's here is gonna kill me." 827 00:38:09,955 --> 00:38:12,021 I mean, is this a possibility? 828 00:38:12,023 --> 00:38:14,290 Well, yeah, that's what I think. 829 00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:16,826 My God. 830 00:38:16,828 --> 00:38:18,995 That is so scary. 831 00:38:18,997 --> 00:38:22,632 This is awful. 832 00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:25,234 This is my first house. 833 00:38:25,236 --> 00:38:28,504 I was excited, I bought it by myself, 834 00:38:28,506 --> 00:38:32,509 and I just thought I was gonna be there forever. 835 00:38:51,196 --> 00:38:54,930 Well, Nancy, you've been through hell and then some. 836 00:38:54,932 --> 00:38:56,966 I was hoping we would have better news for you tonight, 837 00:38:56,968 --> 00:38:58,468 but now I'm gonna answer your big question. 838 00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:59,969 Can you stay here? 839 00:38:59,971 --> 00:39:02,005 And if so, what's it gonna take? 840 00:39:02,007 --> 00:39:03,740 And for that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 841 00:39:07,345 --> 00:39:11,748 I think you know what's coming. 842 00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:16,185 You absolutely just can't stay here. 843 00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:18,854 The environmental factors alone, 844 00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:22,625 and what it has done to your body, 845 00:39:22,627 --> 00:39:24,894 and what it would continue to do to your body, 846 00:39:24,896 --> 00:39:28,164 it's just not healthy for you. 847 00:39:30,068 --> 00:39:32,535 So with that being said, the first thing 848 00:39:32,537 --> 00:39:35,538 I'd like you to do is to relocate. 849 00:39:39,945 --> 00:39:43,379 The second thing that you need to do is to have 850 00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:47,517 a reiki master and a psychic knower come 851 00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:53,022 on the day that you're going to leave the house forever. 852 00:39:53,024 --> 00:39:57,326 The reiki master needs to remove the dead woman 853 00:39:57,328 --> 00:39:58,528 from your back 854 00:39:58,530 --> 00:40:01,731 and then proceed to cut all attachments. 855 00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:05,802 Once she's removed, then the psychic knower 856 00:40:05,804 --> 00:40:10,940 will then get her gone, moved over. 857 00:40:10,942 --> 00:40:16,312 This is gonna be difficult. 858 00:40:20,619 --> 00:40:23,353 Listen, you can do everything you're doing 859 00:40:23,355 --> 00:40:24,720 at this house someplace else. 860 00:40:24,722 --> 00:40:26,755 Yeah. 861 00:40:26,757 --> 00:40:28,291 I know it's not what you want to hear, Nancy, 862 00:40:28,293 --> 00:40:30,393 but you cannot get any worse than this. 863 00:40:30,395 --> 00:40:33,496 This is horrific and terrifying, 864 00:40:33,498 --> 00:40:35,832 and you can live the rest of your life sick, 865 00:40:35,834 --> 00:40:38,201 or you can take a chance and maybe start over. 866 00:40:39,838 --> 00:40:42,305 You can do this. 867 00:40:42,307 --> 00:40:44,473 You're near death. You understand that, right? 868 00:40:44,475 --> 00:40:46,442 This ain't a joke. 869 00:40:46,444 --> 00:40:47,644 My God. 870 00:40:47,646 --> 00:40:48,978 I just didn't know how bad it was. 871 00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:50,679 I know it's a hard pill to swallow, 872 00:40:50,681 --> 00:40:52,382 and it's a lot to ask of you right now, 873 00:40:52,384 --> 00:40:53,783 but are you gonna take a word of advice 874 00:40:53,785 --> 00:40:56,252 and get the hell out of this freaking place? 875 00:40:56,254 --> 00:40:58,454 God. 876 00:41:07,933 --> 00:41:09,933 Yes. - Okay. 877 00:41:09,935 --> 00:41:11,800 - You gonna help her out, Nicole? - Of course. 878 00:41:11,802 --> 00:41:13,069 I've always been there for her. 879 00:41:13,071 --> 00:41:14,237 We got a start. 880 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,906 We got a compass now, we got a start, 881 00:41:16,908 --> 00:41:19,609 and we'll get you through it. 882 00:41:19,611 --> 00:41:22,378 I'm sure I can find another place. 883 00:41:26,017 --> 00:41:29,485 Thank you. 884 00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:31,453 It's never easy telling someone 885 00:41:31,455 --> 00:41:32,988 they need to leave their home. 886 00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:35,691 But in this case, it's the only option. 887 00:41:35,693 --> 00:41:38,361 If Nancy does move out and gets the help 888 00:41:38,363 --> 00:41:40,997 of a reiki master and a psychic knower, 889 00:41:40,999 --> 00:41:43,699 she can free herself of negative attachments 890 00:41:43,701 --> 00:41:46,035 and begin a fresh start someplace new. 891 00:41:46,085 --> 00:41:50,635 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 66314

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