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It was causing wicked hallucinations.

My son -- I'm afraid he'll be traumatized for life.

He's trying to kill them.

- He hits me. - Yeah? Where does he hit you?

Did you touch me?

He pulled the trigger, blew his head off.

I'm thinking he killed himself.

He's whispering, "You want to kill everybody."

Panic, panic, panic.

My name is Amy Allan.

I'm seeing, like, blood.

The house just feels bad.

I see dead people.

This man is completely insane.

I speak to dead people...

Whoo. Okay. She doesn't like it in there.

...and they speak to me.

He likes to twist that knife.

But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.

Something paranormal is trying to kill them.

I rely on my partner.

I'm Steve Di Schiavi.

I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.

Now does he die right there, on the spot?

I know every person, every house has secrets.

I think it's trying to steal my soul.

It's my job to reveal them.

You ever get touched like that again?

But Steve and I never speak...

We never communicate during an investigation.

...until the very end.

I'm as stunned as you guys are.

When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...

I don't want anything to happen to my daughter.

Or time to get out.

His goal is to kill you guys.

I'm in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

It's an old steel town about an hour north of Philadelphia.

I got a call from a single mom named Nicole.

Now she says the very day she brought her son home

from the hospital, activity started going crazy.

The boy is 3 now and getting picked on every day,

and she says if we can't help, he's gonna get hurt.

Before Amy arrives, I look for any leading information.

Photographs, paintings, even children's art

can influence her findings...

so it's important that I cover or remove them all.

When I'm finished, the location will be ready

for tonight's walk.

Yeah, this is not good.

I hear yelling.

People are dealing with bad stuff.

They're freaking out and cryin' and screamin'.

Feel, like, panic, lots of panic, panic,

like I'm gonna pass out.

It's like, "Aah!"

Well, Nicole, I'm glad I'm here

'cause after talking to you on the phone,

it sounds like you're going through hell.

- What's going on? - Our life here is a daily hell.

My son is having such horrible experiences

that I'm really worried for his safety.

Let's back it up a second. Who exactly lives in the house?

Okay. Well, it's me and my son.

August -- he's 3 years old.

- Okay. - This is my friend, Patty.

She moved in a couple months ago with her daughter, Haley.

It's just temporary. They're moving out soon.

Are they moving out because of what's going on here?

Yes. They really didn't believe until they experienced it.

How long have you been in this house?

I bought the house 5 years ago.

So did you notice activity soon as you moved in?

No. I only noticed it after August was born.

Okay. Do me a favor.

Give me an idea of what you guys are experiencing

on a daily basis.

Well, we feel like we're being watched.

We hear voices.

And objects will move on their own.

We all see shadow figures

and we get physically touched.

Now I know you said it's picking on your son.

How exactly is it affecting August?

He is constantly seeing a man with a mustache.

This thing can transform itself to be almost anything,

and he says that this entity punches him in the face,

goes into his head.

You sure this is not just him being a 3-year-old,

acting out?

He behaves in a way that I know is not my son.

His eyes will get black.

He will do something violent, like punch me, hit me, choke me.

He becomes very disoriented.

He'll have no memory of what just happened.

I'm afraid he'll be traumatized for life.

And how you dealing with all of it?

It's my number one stressor in life, is this.

Sometimes, I think it's... could make me crazy,

but I'm going to stop at nothing

to protect my son. - Okay.

So when I was opening, I encountered

a...a male,

who's with me here right now.

And he comes in and he's upset about the living.

He's extremely calculating with the living.

He likes games.

They're also getting confused,

feeling like they have early onset Alzheimer's.

Something mentally is wrong with them,

and that's him, that, you know ... their minds.

What makes him happy is thinking about killing,

and I got specifically family.

Okay, Nicole, so what's going on in this room?

When I'm downstairs here,

it sounds like there are knocking noises

coming from the basement.

Could it be pipes knocking?

No.

This happened at a time when the heating system was not on,

and neither was the central air.

Okay. Have you experienced anything else?

I see these shadowy figures going down the hallway

all the time.

What's that shadow figure look like to you?

It's very misty. It's not solid.

Sometimes it's one

and sometimes it's, like, a cluster.

Would you consider it to be of human shape?

I can't make it out to be a human.

Okay. Anything else down here?

I have this collectible fire truck here.

It will just fly off for no reason.

Now I know you have cats. Could they have knocked it over?

No. My cats don't even like to be in this room.

Okay.

I think the dude would hang out down here.

He might get a little physical with people down here

being down here, because this is his place.

It's more of a feeling like he goes through your body,

and you feel it.

He's causing wicked hallucinations.

He basically reads their minds and then projects out

what they think of as a ghost,

so he tries to freak them out, too.

You know what I'm saying?

"I can make them think they're hearing sounds down here.

"I can make them think they're seeing

this, that, or the other thing."

Like, he goes, "I put it in their mind.

They see what they want to see."

What kind of threat do you think

this guy might pose to the living?

He's a...sexual predator.

I think it's a possibility, and I hope not,

that he's perving out on them

while they're sleeping in their beds.

They're feeling, like, uncomfortable in the bathroom,

feeling sexually violated.

So, Nicole, I assume this is your bedroom.

- Yes. - So what's going on up here?

The bathroom, you know,

I constantly feel like I'm being watched.

I took a shower, and I just immediately felt this coldness

and somebody behind me.

It felt very creepy, almost as if the person felt entitled

to be there, very perverted feeling.

Anything else going on in this room?

I was pushed on my hips a few times.

Do you get the sense if it's a male or a female?

I always imagined there was a masculine presence here.

- Okay. - Hi, Mommy.

Hi, Auggy. Come here.

- Hi. - One, two, three.

Okay. Mommy was telling me about all the stuff

that's going on in this place.

You having a tough time here?

Yeah. So Mommy says there's a man bothering you.

Can you tell me what the man looks like?

Tell them what he does.

Well, he hits me.

Yeah? Where does he hit you?

In your head?

We're gonna try to get rid of him.

That sound good to you?

I'm going to finish talking with Mommy.

- Is that okay? - Yeah?

- All right. - All right.

Just be careful, okay?

Aw, he's adorable.

Thanks.

I get really down on myself because I always wonder

if I'm doing enough for my son.

You just have to stay strong.

There's sometimes no other choice.

It's a very lonely daily existence.

I gotta ask you,

what are you hoping we can do for you?

There's something attacking my son,

and I would like for it to be fixed.

He's my world. I have to protect him.

What the...

Did you touch me?

- No. - No?

Somebody is capable of touching.

I think it might be the guy.

What makes me nervous, though,

is that he might be touching them inappropriately, sexually.

He could be touching them, like, caressing their hair

or their face or their feet.

He likes it when they become emotional and upset and scared.

He, like, breaks them down mentally, psychologically.

It's really bad because it's all set

on messing with the living people here.

So, Patty, Nicole was telling me

that you and your daughter moved in here recently.

Yeah, 8 months ago.

Nicole called us in because she thinks

whatever is here is going after her little boy.

I mean, you agree with that?

Yes.

There is a male figure attacking at him.

I have seen him very scared,

and I don't know how to help him.

I try to make him feel more safe.

Why do you think whatever's here is picking on him?

I think because he's young, um,

and...

he can be manipulated easier.

As far as you living here,

I mean, have you had experiences?

I had something brush against me while I was in bed.

Were you awake at the time, or did it wake you up?

I was trying to go to sleep.

Okay. Did that ever happen again?

I had movement on my bed, and I turned the light on,

and there was nothing there.

Could it have been one of Nicole's cats?

They do not go up in my room.

Now do you think Nicole and August are in danger here?

Yes. I have seen him very scared,

and he's such a loving kid.

So when you see him sad, you know,

you just want to make it better for him.

There is a nasty woman up here.

She does not want us here.

She wants us to vacate the premises.

- Can you describe her? - Okay.

She looking, like, stretched out right now.

She's taking up, like, from here

all the way to the other post.

This is her area.

Everything is wide.

I think she's related to the angry guy.

I think there's a lot of competition

between this male and this female.

I think they're, like, competing for attention,

but they hate each other.

What kind of experiences might the living have with her?

She wants to be heard. She wants to be seen.

So I think the living see her and hear her

more than any other dead person here.

She likes that. And she is pissed off.

She is ranting and raving and going back and forth.

Living people would hear a lot of pacing,

noises, walking.

I think she would, like, slam the doors,

throw...around.

Anything physical like that would be coming from her.

She knows it scares them, and that can take a toll.

So, Carl, I understand that

you're really close friends with Nicole.

Yes. I've known her... approximately 25 years.

That being said, I'm sure you've spent time here at the house.

Yes.

She told me what's going on here, and it sounds insane.

- Have you had any experiences? - Yes, I have.

I was standing in the doorway to the kitchen,

looking towards the laundry room,

and I saw a black mist float out

from the laundry room into the kitchen area.

Now was there any cooking going on in the kitchen?

No, absolutely not.

Had you ever seen anything like that again in the house?

I have seen a weird stretched-out apparition

in the piano room, but there was no face on it.

From here down, it was, like, um,

early 1900s dress, like, frilly.

What was the size, you think?

It was probably, stretched out, about 6 feet long.

All right. So did anybody else see this thing?

No. It had disappeared.

All right. So you've seen a couple things.

Anything else?

The second floor hallway is an area where you always feel

like you're being watched. And down here in the basement,

I'm pretty much the only one who will come down here.

You know, I gotta ask you. Do you know the kid really well?

Yes.

So Nicole thinks something here is going after August.

- You agree? - Absolutely.

You can see when he gets aggressive.

So how do you know this is not just kid nonsense?

I've worked with children for almost 30 years

as a counselor and a teacher.

This is something I haven't seen before.

He's scared, scared for him, scared for Nicole.

There's a weird shape-shifter guy up here.

He did keep showing me, like, images of, like, a demon,

him being a demon,

and then it shifts, and I see this man there.

He looks like an '80s metalhead guy

but without a face,

and like a kid.

This is very much the focus of a lot of bad stuff.

They're getting the brunt, the brunt of it.

This is, like, the metalhead demon...guy's sole focus,

is make them lose faith

and turn them into a dark, evil person.

He's whispering, "You want to kill everybody.

Best if you kill your family."

He's trying to either kill them

or cause them to kill others.

As soon as I get into town,

the first call I make is to the local cops.

They knew all about Nicole's property,

and it turns out, there was a murder-suicide

right outside her front door.

I'm driving over to meet with a county sheriff who says

it's one of the most senseless killings he's ever seen.

Well, Sheriff Hanna, I appreciate

you helping me out with this case.

What can you tell me about the two guys

involved in this murder-suicide?

The two gentlemen lived next to the property

that you're investigation.

The two men were next-door neighbors.

First individual was a man by the name of William Eck,

49 years old.

The other individual was August Meinberg,

who was a German immigrant, 60 years of age.

What started the bad blood between the two of them?

Interestingly enough, it was over their lawns.

You know, I'm laughing because I know that can get crazy.

- What happened? - This started in 1949,

where William Eck had left some trimmings,

tree trimmings on Meinberg's property.

Resulted in a verbal confrontation

which escalated to a physical altercation,

and Eck ended up choking Meinberg.

A neighbor that witnessed this had interceded

and broke up the fight.

Well, obviously, this doesn't end well for either one of them.

So what happened?

Well, fast-forward 1 year.

Once again, a verbal altercation started,

so Meinberg then retreated into his home,

emerged with a 12-gauge sawed-off shotgun,

leveled it at William Eck's head,

pulled the trigger, blew his head off.

So does he commit suicide right there and then?

He started waving the gun around and ranting, "Who's next?"

A neighbor stepped in and tried to wrestle the shotgun from him,

at which time, he turned the gun on himself,

pointed the shotgun at his chest,

and immediately killed himself.

Unbelievable.

I mean, you weren't kidding when you said this was senseless.

I'm seeing that metalhead demon guy again.

I don't know if he lived here for a while and moved out,

but he's a bad, bad person.

And I get the year 1942 with him,

so it's kind of weird that he's, like,

portraying this '80s metalhead.

Something happened that caused him to lose his faith

and become an extremely dark individual.

When he died, he focused on being

as negative and as evil as possible.

It's a possibility that he killed somebody

during his lifetime.

Do you have any idea how he died?

He's talking something about a suicide.

I'm thinking maybe he killed himself.

So I've got a mother worried sick

for her 3-year-old son

on a property next door to the site of a murder-suicide,

but I want to see if there's anything else.

Searching through old records, I find a fatal car accident

that happened in 1997.

Turns out one of the victims used to own Nicole's house.

I'm headed over to meet a local author

who says the accident devastated the family

and eventually forced them to have to move off the property.

Before we even get to the accident, what do you know

about the family that this happened to?

Well, Ronny and Karen Robok

bought your client's property in 1975,

and they moved in with their three daughters.

What do we know about Ronny?

He was a supervisor at a local supermarket.

All right. So the day of the accident, what happened?

It was May 20, 1997.

Ronny was on his way to work, just a few miles from his house,

and a tractor-trailer swerved into oncoming traffic

and hit six cars.

Ronny's truck was crushed. He died at the scene.

Here is the death certificate.

Okay, so they pronounced him right there.

- Yes. - Was Ronny the only victim?

Four people were hurt, but Ronny was the only one who died.

So we got one DOA, four injured.

What about the driver?

Ever figure out what the hell happened?

Benny Hilton was the driver.

They found that he had been driving 19 straight hours,

which is twice as long as he should've

been driving without a break. - Okay.

They also found cocaine in his system.

Okay, so obviously, he was negligent.

What happened?

He was in prison for 5 years

and ordered to pay $145,000 to the family.

What happened with the family? They tried to stay in the home.

It was just really too sad for them,

and they ended up moving out in 2001.

This metalhead demon guy can really mess with the living.

He likes to create heart issues, stroke, convulsions.

He also indicated an image of a car accident,

and he called it his "big try."

It made me think that he did try to cause

or create a major car accident.

I see two different scenarios.

One was a male in a car.

Then, I see a flash of a female.

He expressed he liked doing

because it could potentially kill them,

or it could be a possibility that in the future,

he's going to attempt this.

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You know, another thing caught my eye in research.

A family called the Gromans owned my client's property

for over 60 years,

and they suffered a lot of death.

I managed to track down a descendant

who says when they weren't busy burying family members,

they were busy fighting with one another.

Well, Richard, thanks for meeting with me.

I appreciate that.

Your family owned my client's property

for over 6 decades. When was that?

The house was built in 1894

by my great-great-uncle, Thomas Groman.

And here is his picture.

And he owned the property until 1908,

when he sold it to his mother, Rebecca.

So now Rebecca has got the property.

How's that work out for her?

She owns the property until 1912,

but she gets kidney failure and heart disease and dies.

Here is her death certificate.

Okay, so she was only there for a couple years.

Yes, for 4 years.

The property is now transferred to Maybelle,

and that was the daughter of Rebecca.

She lives there with her husband for 5 years.

So why only 5 years on the property?

Maybelle is diagnosed with uterine cancer,

and she dies in 1918.

And here is her death certificate,

and she's only 39 years old, which is very young.

What a shame.

I'm seeing the woman who's related to the angry guy again.

Do you have much idea who she was in life?

I think that she lived here.

Any idea when?

Like 1915, and in that time,

she was looking to be in her 40s or 50s.

And she's white and she's got brown eyes.

Any idea how she's related to this angry guy?

I don't know. I don't know, but they...hate each other.

Okay, so now Maybelle's dead. What happens to the property?

Eventually, it ends up in the hands

of Maybelle's nephew, George.

What do you know about this guy?

George was the black sheep of the family.

Okay, so black sheep of the family.

What's the story with that?

One of the sort of famous stories was

he eloped and got married in 1907

to a woman by the name of Hannah.

Within a year, he was walking down the street

with two girls on his arm, and his wife caught him...

and he bolted into the nearest hotel

to try to hide.

This was such a crazy story,

it made the newspapers here in town.

And here is a copy of the newspapers --

"Chased Her Husband And Girl Companions."

I don't mean to laugh at your family...

- Yeah. - ...but this is pretty funny.

Well, I... It's funny.

So does George wind up getting divorced?

- What happens? - No.

He and Hannah stay married,

but he does move back into the property

you're investigating that his parents were living in.

Does he stop there and just straighten out?

No, he doesn't. George was an alcoholic.

In 1930, he was passed out in his car on the railroad tracks,

and the train was coming.

Luckily, there were cops nearby.

They pulled him out of the car,

so he didn't get hit by the train,

and he was arrested.

Five years later, he was in a serious car accident.

Drunk again, he wrapped the car around a pole.

What ever happens to him?

He eventually dies in 1952.

He's 64 years old. He's still living in the house.

And here is his death certificate.

He died of rectal cancer.

So we just have this angry guy.

I couldn't gather if it was his home, a business, or both.

It's even hard to know what he did for a living.

He lived here for awhile and moved out

and had come back.

I think the dude would hang out down here.

He used to come down here to escape his family.

So what's going on with him and his family?

He felt like they were a burden, took time away from

what he really wanted to be thinking about or doing.

"You can't be down here. This is my space.

You need to leave."

I think he just hated all people and just wanted to be alone

so he could just do his thing.

It's just much harder for him to live with people.

He did fantasize about -- about -- about killing

and -- and torture.

I'm hoping that this was just his fantasy world.

And that lady I saw,

I don't think she was... like, psycho in that way.

Maybe that's why she hated him so much

'cause he's, like, a monster.

I saw several disturbing things during my walk,

but two stood out.

First, the angry woman at the top of the stairs.

She was very petite, pale skin.

She had high cheekbones.

She stretched her entire face.

Next, I described the metalhead demon guy

tormenting a living person.

I was in a bedroom, and there was a dead male

kneeling to the side

of the individual in the bed.

And he had long, heavy metal-looking hair.

Amy, is that what you saw?

Yes, that's what I saw.

Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,

we're ready to reveal our findings to each other

and our clients for the first time.

Well, Amy, I'd like you to meet Nicole.

She lives here with her 3-year-old son, August.

That's him right here.

She also has a couple of roommates,

but activity here is so bad,

they're planning on not sticking around.

This is her long-time friend Carl,

and he's also had a ton of experiences here,

but both of them are convinced that whatever's here

in this house is going after August.

They feel if we can't help them,

that he's gonna be scarred for life.

So now that Amy knows a little bit about you guys,

I'll ask her to describe her walk for us.

So I encountered this deceased woman upstairs.

It was obvious that she didn't want me here,

and I was not welcome.

She does really like scaring the living here,

even though she knows that it's causing people here

psychological trauma.

She doesn't really care because she is so desperate

for any kind of attention.

And one of the things she'll do

if she gets bored or frustrated

is she'll throw tantrums.

When she has these tantrums and she's stomping around,

you might hear, like, stomping sounds.

Wow.

There is a pounding on the floor,

almost like somebody is holding a broom handle

and pounding against the basement floor.

Interesting.

She may try to actually be seen.

One of the things that she can do is actually throw things.

Nicole, tell her about the fire truck.

There is a fire truck near the mantel,

and it'll fly off about 3 feet.

You said it's possible they might be able to see this woman.

Any idea what it would look like to them?

Yeah, so her whole face and body was, like,

stretched out like that,

indicating to me, like, "This is my territory."

I had a sketch done of what I saw.

That's interesting.

My.

I've seen an apparition stretched, too, at the top,

but appeared to be a woman from about here on up.

Interesting.

About -- We figured about 6 feet long, about a foot wide.

So did you get any idea of who this woman could've been?

I had a hard time with that,

but a couple of things stood out.

She was white, brown eyes, brown hair.

Probably in her 40s.

She kind of came from

a really kind of dysfunctional, crazy family,

and that she lived here at some point between 1915 and 1925.

That's not a ton to go on, but based on the time period,

I've got an idea of who it might've been.

From 1912 to 1918, this place was owned

by a woman named Maybelle Groman.

Her relatives are actually the ones

that built this house in 1894.

Five years after she got this place,

she was diagnosed with uterine cancer,

and she died from the disease a few months later.

Here's her death certificate.

You got it pretty spot on, on the age,

'cause look how old she was when she died.

She was 39.

That's awful.

Is it possible it's Maybelle Groman

that you might've seen?

Time-wise, age-wise, interesting. Yeah.

The next person that I ran into

was a deceased male who is related to her.

This male used to live here,

but I got that he was from a much more recent time period,

maybe the '60s.

It seemed like he had moved out and then had moved back in.

I couldn't initially tell how he was related,

but the thing with this guy is that he was very unstable

while he was alive,

and he really despised his family,

and I saw him fantasizing about murdering them.

He did fantasize about killing and -- and torture.

I'm hoping that this was just his fantasy world.

Maybe that's why she hated him so much

'cause he's, like, a monster.

I saw him mostly hanging out in the basement.

That's where he likes to be,

because he can be alone, away from everybody.

The guy sounds a lot like Maybelle Groman's nephew George.

Now after Maybelle died, this property eventually went to him.

But the guy you saw, George, lived here a couple of times,

first in the early 1900s,

and then again about 15 years later.

Now I talked to one of Groman's descendants.

He told me George was the black sheep of the family

and he embarrassed them his entire life.

In 1907, he eloped with his wife, Hannah.

A year later, he was caught in broad daylight

cheating on her with two women.

After this, the two of them separated,

and he ended up moving back into the house with his parents.

So the descendant I spoke to said that

the family allowed him to move back in here

so they could keep an eye on him and maybe try to control him,

but that didn't work out.

1930, he got drunk,

passed out in his car on the railroad tracks.

Dear.

And the cops saw it and saved him.

They actually pulled him out...

Five years later, he actually totaled his car

while driving drunk, and he got seriously injured.

Now, George ended up dying in 1952 of rectal cancer,

and he was 64 years old at the time of his death.

Now, is it possible the guy you saw is George Groman?

Sounds like this one could be him.

Yeah. Yeah.

Now does he do anything to the living here?

Yeah. He is capable of getting physical, so he can caress.

He can get violent and possibly hit.

Tell Amy about when you got touched on the hip.

Yes.

I've been pushed on the hips, various rooms of the house.

One of the things that he did to me

was up at the top of the stairs, caressing my back,

and then it was playing with my hair,

but, like, in a... creepy...

- Yeah. - You know what I'm saying?

Like, I saw him watching living people in the shower.

I saw him wanting to be inappropriate with the living.

You felt like you were being watched in the shower.

Yes. Yeah, bathroom is a hot spot for sure.

What I'm really concerned about is how he likes

to mess with your mind.

He likes it when they become emotional and upset and scared.

He, like, breaks them down mentally, psychologically.

It's really bad because it's all set

on messing with the living people here.

The other thing with this guy

is that he can create and cause hallucinations.

He said that he can go into your mind

and project back to you what you're afraid of.

My son sees a man constantly.

He describes him as...

red with a mustache.

Now, Amy, you said he can project what you're afraid of.

Both of them have seen shadow figures.

Last night, I literally saw somebody

running through my dining room.

I saw black mist creeping in from the laundry room,

along the ceiling.

It's bad.

Okay, anything else?

This next person that I met was a deceased male.

First encountered him, I thought he was a demon.

But it's not. It's a dead male.

He presented his human form to me,

and it looked like an '80s heavy metal rocker.

He's obsessed with harming living people.

He's been trying to do this for a very long time.

One of the things he was focused on

was him talking about his "big try."

He was showing me a massive car accident.

He was leading me to believe that this is something

that had occurred in the past,

and something that he may work on doing in the future as well.

One of the people who owned this house at one point

died in a very horrible car accident.

So from 1975 to 2001, this house was owned by the Robok family.

In May of 1997, Ronny Robok left for work, and then on the way,

a semi-truck drifted into oncoming traffic

and hit this poor guy, killing him instantly.

Got his death certificate here.

Okay, so is it possible the metalhead

had something to do with this crash?

I think it's a big possibility.

Yes.

So is this guy capable of doing that to these guys?

Yes.

I'm worried because I got that he's focused

on a young person here.

He likes to mess with this person while they're sleeping,

and this is what he does.

He plants negative thoughts

to make the living person do his bidding.

So I had a sketch done of what I saw happening

with this dead man.

It's kind of creepy.

Wow.

Yeah, my son... Jeez.

Yeah, my son did say he had a lot of hair,

and that he can make himself into anything.

You felt like August was taken over a few times.

Yes. My son came running and really super scared,

and all of a sudden, he didn't have fear anymore.

He just stood up, came over to me,

and slapped me in the face...

Yeah.

...and then became extremely disoriented afterwards

and was calling my name, and I know that wasn't him.

Yeah. It wasn't him.

Now could he have put the idea in Auggy?

Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

He would've been, you know,

possessed by this freaking maniac to do it.

The thing that scares me about him is that he wants death.

He wants this person to kill people.

Wow.

Honestly, can't believe that this could be happening.

Like, why my son? Like, why?

This person just wants death, mayhem, and murder.

Any means necessary.

It is on par with demons.

Are you serious?

So, Nicole, you called us in

because you were worried about your son August,

and it's a good thing you did

because based on what Amy's told us,

the problem was a lot worse than you realized.

But now it's time to answer the big question.

Can you raise your son here safely,

or do you need to get the hell out?

For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.

A lot of things need to happen simultaneously.

The first thing is your son needs a full-blown exorcism.

- An exorcism? - Yes.

Now this doesn't necessarily have to be done

by a Catholic priest,

but an exorcism has to be performed

because he has been utilized by this metalhead guy

for a very long time,

and we need him completely 100%

out of your son.

At the same time, a psychic and a medium will be showing up,

and they are going to remove

the three deceased individuals from this home.

Now at the same time, you're going to be being dealt with

by a reiki master,

who's going to remove any and all cords from you

that these dead people have attached.

This must all happen at the same time.

It has to be without a hitch.

It has to be going on simultaneously,

so this is going to be one heck of a day.

Okay.

And what would happen if she picked up and moved?

Even if you were to leave, they would go with you.

I know it's a lot, but are you gonna take Amy's advice?

Yes, absolutely.

Without a shadow of a doubt, I will.

It's my job as a mother.

I have to do anything I can for him.

I don't know how much Carl can help, but what can he do?

Just being supportive and helping as much as possible.

Okay, will do.

We have to get this fixed.

I value, you know, what you say.

I would've gone crazy.

I mean, I really appreciate this, so thank you.

I wish it were easier,

but if Nicole is going to overcome

what's happening to her and August,

she needs to simultaneously perform the exorcism

while the medium, psychic, and reiki master remove the dead

and sever their attachments to the living.

Only then will she and her son get the peace they deserve.

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