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It was causing wicked
hallucinations.
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My son -- I'm afraid he'll
be traumatized for life.
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He's trying to kill them.
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- He hits me.
- Yeah? Where does he hit you?
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Did you touch me?
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He pulled the trigger,
blew his head off.
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I'm thinking he killed himself.
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He's whispering, "You want
to kill everybody."
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Panic, panic, panic.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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I'm seeing, like, blood.
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The house just feels bad.
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I see dead people.
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This man
is completely insane.
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I speak to dead people...
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Whoo. Okay.
She doesn't like it in there.
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...and they speak to me.
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He likes to twist that knife.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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Something paranormal
is trying to kill them.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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Now does he die right there,
on the spot?
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I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I think it's trying
to steal my soul.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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You ever get touched
like that again?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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I'm as stunned as you guys are.
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When we uncover if
it's safe for you to stay...
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I don't want anything
to happen to my daughter.
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Or time to get out.
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His goal
is to kill you guys.
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I'm in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.
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It's an old steel town about
an hour north of Philadelphia.
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I got a call from a single mom
named Nicole.
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Now she says the very day
she brought her son home
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from the hospital,
activity started going crazy.
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The boy is 3 now and getting
picked on every day,
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and she says if we can't help,
he's gonna get hurt.
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Before Amy arrives, I look
for any leading information.
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Photographs, paintings,
even children's art
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can influence her findings...
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so it's important that I cover
or remove them all.
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When I'm finished,
the location will be ready
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for tonight's walk.
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Yeah, this is not good.
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I hear yelling.
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People are dealing
with bad stuff.
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They're freaking out
and cryin' and screamin'.
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Feel, like, panic,
lots of panic, panic,
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like I'm gonna pass out.
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It's like, "Aah!"
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Well, Nicole,
I'm glad I'm here
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'cause after talking
to you on the phone,
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it sounds like you're
going through hell.
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- What's going on?
- Our life here is a daily hell.
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My son is having
such horrible experiences
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that I'm really worried
for his safety.
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Let's back it up a second.
Who exactly lives in the house?
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Okay.
Well, it's me and my son.
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August -- he's 3 years old.
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- Okay.
- This is my friend, Patty.
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She moved in a couple months ago
with her daughter, Haley.
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It's just temporary.
They're moving out soon.
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Are they moving out because
of what's going on here?
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Yes. They really didn't believe
until they experienced it.
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How long have you been
in this house?
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I bought the house
5 years ago.
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So did you notice activity
soon as you moved in?
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No. I only noticed it
after August was born.
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Okay. Do me a favor.
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Give me an idea of what
you guys are experiencing
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on a daily basis.
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Well, we feel like
we're being watched.
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We hear voices.
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And objects will move
on their own.
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We all see shadow figures
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and we get
physically touched.
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Now I know you said
it's picking on your son.
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How exactly is it
affecting August?
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He is constantly seeing
a man with a mustache.
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This thing can transform itself
to be almost anything,
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and he says that this entity
punches him in the face,
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goes into his head.
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You sure this is not just him
being a 3-year-old,
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acting out?
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He behaves in a way that
I know is not my son.
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His eyes will get black.
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He will do something violent,
like punch me, hit me, choke me.
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He becomes very disoriented.
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He'll have no memory
of what just happened.
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I'm afraid he'll be
traumatized for life.
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And how you dealing
with all of it?
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It's my number one stressor
in life, is this.
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Sometimes, I think it's...
could make me crazy,
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but I'm going
to stop at nothing
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to protect my son.
- Okay.
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So when I was opening,
I encountered
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a...a male,
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who's with me here right now.
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And he comes in
and he's upset about the living.
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He's extremely calculating
with the living.
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He likes games.
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They're also getting confused,
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feeling like they have
early onset Alzheimer's.
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Something mentally
is wrong with them,
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and that's him, that, you know
... their minds.
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What makes him happy
is thinking about killing,
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and I got specifically family.
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Okay, Nicole, so what's
going on in this room?
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When I'm downstairs here,
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it sounds like there are
knocking noises
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coming from the basement.
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Could it be pipes knocking?
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No.
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This happened at a time when
the heating system was not on,
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and neither was
the central air.
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Okay. Have you experienced
anything else?
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I see these shadowy figures
going down the hallway
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all the time.
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What's that shadow figure
look like to you?
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It's very misty.
It's not solid.
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Sometimes it's one
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and sometimes it's, like,
a cluster.
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Would you consider it
to be of human shape?
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I can't make it out
to be a human.
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Okay.
Anything else down here?
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I have this collectible
fire truck here.
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It will just fly off
for no reason.
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Now I know you have cats.
Could they have knocked it over?
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No. My cats don't even like
to be in this room.
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Okay.
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I think the dude
would hang out down here.
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He might get a little physical
with people down here
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being down here,
because this is his place.
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It's more of a feeling
like he goes through your body,
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and you feel it.
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He's causing
wicked hallucinations.
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He basically reads their minds
and then projects out
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what they think of as a ghost,
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so he tries
to freak them out, too.
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You know what I'm saying?
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"I can make them think they're
hearing sounds down here.
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"I can make them think
they're seeing
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this, that,
or the other thing."
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Like, he goes,
"I put it in their mind.
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They see what they want to see."
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What kind of threat
do you think
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this guy might pose
to the living?
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He's a...sexual predator.
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I think it's a possibility,
and I hope not,
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that he's perving out on them
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while they're sleeping
in their beds.
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They're feeling, like,
uncomfortable in the bathroom,
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feeling sexually violated.
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So, Nicole, I assume
this is your bedroom.
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- Yes.
- So what's going on up here?
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The bathroom, you know,
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I constantly feel like
I'm being watched.
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I took a shower, and I just
immediately felt this coldness
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and somebody behind me.
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It felt very creepy, almost as
if the person felt entitled
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to be there,
very perverted feeling.
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Anything else going on
in this room?
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I was pushed on my hips
a few times.
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Do you get the sense
if it's a male or a female?
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I always imagined there was
a masculine presence here.
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- Okay.
- Hi, Mommy.
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Hi, Auggy. Come here.
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- Hi.
- One, two, three.
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Okay. Mommy was telling me
about all the stuff
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that's going on
in this place.
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You having
a tough time here?
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Yeah. So Mommy says
there's a man bothering you.
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Can you tell me
what the man looks like?
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Tell them what he does.
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Well, he hits me.
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Yeah?
Where does he hit you?
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In your head?
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We're gonna try
to get rid of him.
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That sound good to you?
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I'm going to finish
talking with Mommy.
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- Is that okay?
- Yeah?
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- All right.
- All right.
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Just be careful, okay?
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Aw, he's adorable.
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Thanks.
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I get really down on myself
because I always wonder
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if I'm doing enough
for my son.
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You just
have to stay strong.
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There's sometimes
no other choice.
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It's a very lonely
daily existence.
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I gotta ask you,
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what are you hoping
we can do for you?
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There's something
attacking my son,
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and I would like for it
to be fixed.
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He's my world.
I have to protect him.
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What the...
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Did you touch me?
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- No.
- No?
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Somebody is capable of touching.
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I think it might be the guy.
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What makes me nervous, though,
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is that he might be touching
them inappropriately, sexually.
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He could be touching them, like,
caressing their hair
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or their face or their feet.
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He likes it when they become
emotional and upset and scared.
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He, like, breaks them down
mentally, psychologically.
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It's really bad
because it's all set
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on messing with
the living people here.
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So, Patty,
Nicole was telling me
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that you and your daughter
moved in here recently.
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Yeah, 8 months ago.
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Nicole called us in
because she thinks
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whatever is here is
going after her little boy.
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I mean,
you agree with that?
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Yes.
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There is a male figure
attacking at him.
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I have seen him very scared,
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and I don't know how
to help him.
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I try to make him
feel more safe.
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Why do you think whatever's
here is picking on him?
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I think
because he's young, um,
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and...
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he can
be manipulated easier.
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As far as you living here,
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I mean, have you had
experiences?
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I had something brush against me
while I was in bed.
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Were you awake at the time,
or did it wake you up?
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I was trying to go to sleep.
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Okay.
Did that ever happen again?
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I had movement on my bed,
and I turned the light on,
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and there was nothing there.
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Could it have been
one of Nicole's cats?
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They do not go up
in my room.
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Now do you think Nicole
and August are in danger here?
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Yes. I have seen him
very scared,
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and he's such a loving kid.
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So when you see him sad,
you know,
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you just want to
make it better for him.
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There is a nasty woman
up here.
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She does not want us here.
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She wants us to vacate
the premises.
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- Can you describe her?
- Okay.
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She looking, like,
stretched out right now.
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She's taking up, like,
from here
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all the way to the other post.
252
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This is her area.
253
00:12:29,749 --> 00:12:31,649
Everything is wide.
254
00:12:31,651 --> 00:12:34,352
I think she's related
to the angry guy.
255
00:12:34,354 --> 00:12:36,054
I think there's a lot
of competition
256
00:12:36,056 --> 00:12:38,456
between this male
and this female.
257
00:12:38,458 --> 00:12:42,393
I think they're, like,
competing for attention,
258
00:12:42,395 --> 00:12:44,095
but they hate each other.
259
00:12:46,533 --> 00:12:48,866
What kind of experiences
might the living have with her?
260
00:12:48,868 --> 00:12:51,869
She wants to be heard.
She wants to be seen.
261
00:12:51,871 --> 00:12:56,474
So I think the living see her
and hear her
262
00:12:56,476 --> 00:13:00,077
more than
any other dead person here.
263
00:13:00,079 --> 00:13:03,414
She likes that.
And she is pissed off.
264
00:13:03,416 --> 00:13:06,551
She is ranting and raving
and going back and forth.
265
00:13:06,553 --> 00:13:10,355
Living people would hear
a lot of pacing,
266
00:13:10,357 --> 00:13:12,690
noises, walking.
267
00:13:12,692 --> 00:13:15,426
I think she would, like,
slam the doors,
268
00:13:15,428 --> 00:13:18,863
throw...around.
269
00:13:18,865 --> 00:13:24,101
Anything physical like that
would be coming from her.
270
00:13:24,103 --> 00:13:28,907
She knows it scares them,
and that can take a toll.
271
00:13:34,981 --> 00:13:36,514
So, Carl, I understand that
272
00:13:36,516 --> 00:13:37,982
you're really close friends
with Nicole.
273
00:13:37,984 --> 00:13:41,052
Yes. I've known her...
approximately 25 years.
274
00:13:41,054 --> 00:13:43,488
That being said, I'm sure you've
spent time here at the house.
275
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Yes.
276
00:13:44,857 --> 00:13:47,325
She told me what's going on
here, and it sounds insane.
277
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- Have you had any experiences?
- Yes, I have.
278
00:13:49,930 --> 00:13:51,362
I was standing in the doorway
to the kitchen,
279
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looking towards
the laundry room,
280
00:13:52,665 --> 00:13:54,398
and I saw a black mist
float out
281
00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,269
from the laundry room
into the kitchen area.
282
00:13:58,271 --> 00:14:00,070
Now was there any cooking
going on in the kitchen?
283
00:14:00,072 --> 00:14:02,106
No, absolutely not.
284
00:14:02,108 --> 00:14:03,941
Had you ever seen anything
like that again in the house?
285
00:14:03,943 --> 00:14:06,144
I have seen a weird
stretched-out apparition
286
00:14:06,146 --> 00:14:07,946
in the piano room,
but there was no face on it.
287
00:14:07,948 --> 00:14:10,381
From here down,
it was, like, um,
288
00:14:10,383 --> 00:14:13,885
early 1900s dress,
like, frilly.
289
00:14:13,887 --> 00:14:15,753
What was the size,
you think?
290
00:14:15,755 --> 00:14:18,823
It was probably, stretched out,
about 6 feet long.
291
00:14:18,825 --> 00:14:20,592
All right. So did anybody else
see this thing?
292
00:14:20,594 --> 00:14:22,159
No. It had disappeared.
293
00:14:22,161 --> 00:14:23,728
All right.
So you've seen a couple things.
294
00:14:23,730 --> 00:14:24,963
Anything else?
295
00:14:24,965 --> 00:14:27,298
The second floor hallway is
an area where you always feel
296
00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:30,301
like you're being watched.
And down here in the basement,
297
00:14:30,303 --> 00:14:34,105
I'm pretty much the only one
who will come down here.
298
00:14:34,107 --> 00:14:36,173
You know, I gotta ask you.
Do you know the kid really well?
299
00:14:36,175 --> 00:14:37,508
Yes.
300
00:14:37,510 --> 00:14:39,443
So Nicole thinks something here
is going after August.
301
00:14:39,445 --> 00:14:41,845
- You agree?
- Absolutely.
302
00:14:41,847 --> 00:14:43,747
You can see when
he gets aggressive.
303
00:14:43,749 --> 00:14:46,017
So how do you know this is
not just kid nonsense?
304
00:14:46,019 --> 00:14:47,852
I've worked with children
for almost 30 years
305
00:14:47,854 --> 00:14:49,787
as a counselor and a teacher.
306
00:14:49,789 --> 00:14:51,723
This is something
I haven't seen before.
307
00:14:51,725 --> 00:14:54,292
He's scared, scared for him,
scared for Nicole.
308
00:14:58,164 --> 00:15:01,399
There's a weird
shape-shifter guy up here.
309
00:15:01,401 --> 00:15:05,069
He did keep showing me,
like, images of, like, a demon,
310
00:15:05,071 --> 00:15:08,139
him being a demon,
311
00:15:08,141 --> 00:15:12,877
and then it shifts,
and I see this man there.
312
00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:15,346
He looks like
an '80s metalhead guy
313
00:15:15,348 --> 00:15:17,482
but without a face,
314
00:15:17,484 --> 00:15:19,784
and like a kid.
315
00:15:19,786 --> 00:15:25,790
This is very much the focus
of a lot of bad stuff.
316
00:15:25,792 --> 00:15:29,560
They're getting the brunt,
the brunt of it.
317
00:15:29,562 --> 00:15:35,199
This is, like, the metalhead
demon...guy's sole focus,
318
00:15:35,201 --> 00:15:36,634
is make them lose faith
319
00:15:36,636 --> 00:15:40,037
and turn them into
a dark, evil person.
320
00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:45,943
He's whispering,
"You want to kill everybody.
321
00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:48,846
Best if you kill your family."
322
00:15:48,848 --> 00:15:52,950
He's trying to
either kill them
323
00:15:52,952 --> 00:15:56,321
or cause them to kill others.
324
00:16:08,318 --> 00:16:09,717
As soon as I get into town,
325
00:16:09,719 --> 00:16:12,920
the first call I make is to
the local cops.
326
00:16:12,922 --> 00:16:15,056
They knew all about
Nicole's property,
327
00:16:15,058 --> 00:16:17,191
and it turns out,
there was a murder-suicide
328
00:16:17,193 --> 00:16:19,761
right outside her front door.
329
00:16:19,763 --> 00:16:22,096
I'm driving over to meet
with a county sheriff who says
330
00:16:22,098 --> 00:16:25,066
it's one of the most senseless
killings he's ever seen.
331
00:16:30,940 --> 00:16:32,640
Well, Sheriff Hanna,
I appreciate
332
00:16:32,642 --> 00:16:34,375
you helping me out
with this case.
333
00:16:34,377 --> 00:16:35,643
What can you tell me
about the two guys
334
00:16:35,645 --> 00:16:37,245
involved in
this murder-suicide?
335
00:16:37,247 --> 00:16:39,547
The two gentlemen lived
next to the property
336
00:16:39,549 --> 00:16:40,815
that you're investigation.
337
00:16:40,817 --> 00:16:42,583
The two men were
next-door neighbors.
338
00:16:42,585 --> 00:16:46,788
First individual was a man
by the name of William Eck,
339
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:48,122
49 years old.
340
00:16:48,124 --> 00:16:52,326
The other individual
was August Meinberg,
341
00:16:52,328 --> 00:16:55,729
who was a German immigrant,
60 years of age.
342
00:16:55,731 --> 00:16:57,865
What started the bad blood
between the two of them?
343
00:16:57,867 --> 00:17:01,736
Interestingly enough,
it was over their lawns.
344
00:17:03,506 --> 00:17:05,640
You know, I'm laughing because
I know that can get crazy.
345
00:17:05,642 --> 00:17:08,910
- What happened?
- This started in 1949,
346
00:17:08,912 --> 00:17:12,046
where William Eck had left
some trimmings,
347
00:17:12,048 --> 00:17:15,349
tree trimmings
on Meinberg's property.
348
00:17:15,351 --> 00:17:18,352
Resulted in
a verbal confrontation
349
00:17:18,354 --> 00:17:21,856
which escalated to
a physical altercation,
350
00:17:21,858 --> 00:17:24,992
and Eck ended up
choking Meinberg.
351
00:17:24,994 --> 00:17:28,695
A neighbor that witnessed
this had interceded
352
00:17:28,697 --> 00:17:30,131
and broke up the fight.
353
00:17:30,133 --> 00:17:32,132
Well, obviously, this doesn't
end well for either one of them.
354
00:17:32,134 --> 00:17:33,735
So what happened?
355
00:17:33,737 --> 00:17:35,903
Well, fast-forward 1 year.
356
00:17:35,905 --> 00:17:40,107
Once again,
a verbal altercation started,
357
00:17:40,109 --> 00:17:43,444
so Meinberg then retreated
into his home,
358
00:17:43,446 --> 00:17:48,015
emerged with a 12-gauge
sawed-off shotgun,
359
00:17:48,017 --> 00:17:51,219
leveled it at
William Eck's head,
360
00:17:51,221 --> 00:17:53,821
pulled the trigger,
blew his head off.
361
00:17:53,823 --> 00:17:56,791
So does he commit suicide
right there and then?
362
00:17:56,793 --> 00:18:01,896
He started waving the gun around
and ranting, "Who's next?"
363
00:18:01,898 --> 00:18:06,567
A neighbor stepped in and tried
to wrestle the shotgun from him,
364
00:18:06,569 --> 00:18:10,238
at which time, he turned
the gun on himself,
365
00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,640
pointed the shotgun
at his chest,
366
00:18:12,642 --> 00:18:14,975
and immediately killed
himself.
367
00:18:14,977 --> 00:18:17,144
Unbelievable.
368
00:18:17,146 --> 00:18:20,047
I mean, you weren't kidding when
you said this was senseless.
369
00:18:22,185 --> 00:18:26,254
I'm seeing that
metalhead demon guy again.
370
00:18:26,256 --> 00:18:29,557
I don't know if he lived here
for a while and moved out,
371
00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:31,893
but he's a bad, bad person.
372
00:18:33,863 --> 00:18:36,797
And I get the year 1942
with him,
373
00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:38,065
so it's kind of weird
that he's, like,
374
00:18:38,067 --> 00:18:41,768
portraying this '80s metalhead.
375
00:18:41,770 --> 00:18:46,340
Something happened that
caused him to lose his faith
376
00:18:46,342 --> 00:18:51,145
and become
an extremely dark individual.
377
00:18:51,147 --> 00:18:54,682
When he died,
he focused on being
378
00:18:54,684 --> 00:18:58,920
as negative and as evil
as possible.
379
00:18:58,922 --> 00:19:01,756
It's a possibility
that he killed somebody
380
00:19:01,758 --> 00:19:03,958
during his lifetime.
381
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,692
Do you have any idea
how he died?
382
00:19:05,694 --> 00:19:08,696
He's talking something
about a suicide.
383
00:19:08,698 --> 00:19:10,331
I'm thinking maybe
he killed himself.
384
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:15,102
So I've got
a mother worried sick
385
00:19:15,104 --> 00:19:16,503
for her 3-year-old son
386
00:19:16,505 --> 00:19:19,807
on a property next door
to the site of a murder-suicide,
387
00:19:19,809 --> 00:19:21,576
but I want to see
if there's anything else.
388
00:19:23,947 --> 00:19:27,114
Searching through old records,
I find a fatal car accident
389
00:19:27,116 --> 00:19:29,450
that happened in 1997.
390
00:19:29,452 --> 00:19:33,454
Turns out one of the victims
used to own Nicole's house.
391
00:19:33,456 --> 00:19:34,989
I'm headed over to meet
a local author
392
00:19:34,991 --> 00:19:37,525
who says the accident
devastated the family
393
00:19:37,527 --> 00:19:40,261
and eventually forced them to
have to move off the property.
394
00:19:47,470 --> 00:19:49,570
Before we even get to
the accident, what do you know
395
00:19:49,572 --> 00:19:51,138
about the family that
this happened to?
396
00:19:51,140 --> 00:19:53,274
Well, Ronny and Karen Robok
397
00:19:53,276 --> 00:19:56,610
bought your client's
property in 1975,
398
00:19:56,612 --> 00:19:58,679
and they moved in
with their three daughters.
399
00:19:58,681 --> 00:20:00,181
What do we know about Ronny?
400
00:20:00,183 --> 00:20:02,817
He was a supervisor
at a local supermarket.
401
00:20:02,819 --> 00:20:04,752
All right. So the day of
the accident, what happened?
402
00:20:04,754 --> 00:20:07,922
It was May 20, 1997.
403
00:20:07,924 --> 00:20:11,859
Ronny was on his way to work,
just a few miles from his house,
404
00:20:11,861 --> 00:20:16,964
and a tractor-trailer
swerved into oncoming traffic
405
00:20:16,966 --> 00:20:18,832
and hit six cars.
406
00:20:18,834 --> 00:20:22,002
Ronny's truck was crushed.
He died at the scene.
407
00:20:22,004 --> 00:20:24,839
Here is
the death certificate.
408
00:20:24,841 --> 00:20:26,741
Okay, so they pronounced
him right there.
409
00:20:26,743 --> 00:20:30,010
- Yes.
- Was Ronny the only victim?
410
00:20:30,012 --> 00:20:32,580
Four people were hurt, but Ronny
was the only one who died.
411
00:20:32,582 --> 00:20:34,648
So we got one DOA,
four injured.
412
00:20:34,650 --> 00:20:35,916
What about the driver?
413
00:20:35,918 --> 00:20:37,118
Ever figure out
what the hell happened?
414
00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:39,053
Benny Hilton was the driver.
415
00:20:39,055 --> 00:20:42,656
They found that he had been
driving 19 straight hours,
416
00:20:42,658 --> 00:20:44,258
which is twice as long
as he should've
417
00:20:44,260 --> 00:20:47,061
been driving without a break.
- Okay.
418
00:20:47,063 --> 00:20:49,896
They also found cocaine
in his system.
419
00:20:49,898 --> 00:20:51,465
Okay, so obviously,
he was negligent.
420
00:20:51,467 --> 00:20:52,666
What happened?
421
00:20:52,668 --> 00:20:54,935
He was in prison for 5 years
422
00:20:54,937 --> 00:20:58,505
and ordered to pay $145,000
to the family.
423
00:20:58,507 --> 00:21:00,741
What happened with the family?
They tried to stay in the home.
424
00:21:00,743 --> 00:21:03,610
It was just really
too sad for them,
425
00:21:03,612 --> 00:21:06,414
and they ended up
moving out in 2001.
426
00:21:08,951 --> 00:21:13,487
This metalhead demon guy
can really mess with the living.
427
00:21:13,489 --> 00:21:17,358
He likes to create heart issues,
stroke, convulsions.
428
00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:21,562
He also indicated an image
of a car accident,
429
00:21:21,564 --> 00:21:24,565
and he called it his "big try."
430
00:21:24,567 --> 00:21:29,170
It made me think
that he did try to cause
431
00:21:29,172 --> 00:21:32,707
or create a major car accident.
432
00:21:33,943 --> 00:21:38,145
I see two different scenarios.
433
00:21:38,147 --> 00:21:40,581
One was a male in a car.
434
00:21:40,583 --> 00:21:43,584
Then, I see a flash of a female.
435
00:21:43,586 --> 00:21:45,119
He expressed he liked doing
436
00:21:45,121 --> 00:21:48,589
because it could
potentially kill them,
437
00:21:48,591 --> 00:21:51,725
or it could be a possibility
that in the future,
438
00:21:51,727 --> 00:21:54,562
he's going to attempt this.
439
00:22:00,369 --> 00:22:02,403
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440
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441
00:22:04,007 --> 00:22:05,873
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442
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443
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444
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445
00:22:21,307 --> 00:22:23,574
You know, another thing
caught my eye in research.
446
00:22:23,576 --> 00:22:26,343
A family called the Gromans
owned my client's property
447
00:22:26,345 --> 00:22:27,978
for over 60 years,
448
00:22:27,980 --> 00:22:29,447
and they suffered
a lot of death.
449
00:22:29,449 --> 00:22:31,281
I managed to track down
a descendant
450
00:22:31,283 --> 00:22:33,984
who says when they weren't busy
burying family members,
451
00:22:33,986 --> 00:22:36,120
they were busy fighting
with one another.
452
00:22:42,027 --> 00:22:43,094
Well, Richard,
thanks for meeting with me.
453
00:22:43,096 --> 00:22:44,327
I appreciate that.
454
00:22:44,329 --> 00:22:46,163
Your family owned
my client's property
455
00:22:46,165 --> 00:22:48,699
for over 6 decades.
When was that?
456
00:22:48,701 --> 00:22:51,202
The house was built
in 1894
457
00:22:51,204 --> 00:22:54,572
by my great-great-uncle,
Thomas Groman.
458
00:22:54,574 --> 00:22:56,307
And here is his picture.
459
00:22:56,309 --> 00:23:00,076
And he owned
the property until 1908,
460
00:23:00,078 --> 00:23:04,081
when he sold it
to his mother, Rebecca.
461
00:23:04,083 --> 00:23:05,549
So now Rebecca
has got the property.
462
00:23:05,551 --> 00:23:06,750
How's that work out
for her?
463
00:23:06,752 --> 00:23:09,252
She owns the property
until 1912,
464
00:23:09,254 --> 00:23:13,257
but she gets kidney failure
and heart disease and dies.
465
00:23:13,259 --> 00:23:15,092
Here is
her death certificate.
466
00:23:15,094 --> 00:23:17,094
Okay, so she was only there
for a couple years.
467
00:23:17,096 --> 00:23:18,929
Yes, for 4 years.
468
00:23:18,931 --> 00:23:23,333
The property is now
transferred to Maybelle,
469
00:23:23,335 --> 00:23:25,102
and that was
the daughter of Rebecca.
470
00:23:25,104 --> 00:23:29,306
She lives there with
her husband for 5 years.
471
00:23:29,308 --> 00:23:31,108
So why only 5 years
on the property?
472
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:33,643
Maybelle is diagnosed
with uterine cancer,
473
00:23:33,645 --> 00:23:35,445
and she dies in 1918.
474
00:23:35,447 --> 00:23:38,449
And here is
her death certificate,
475
00:23:38,451 --> 00:23:40,851
and she's only 39 years old,
which is very young.
476
00:23:40,853 --> 00:23:42,119
What a shame.
477
00:23:48,528 --> 00:23:52,929
I'm seeing the woman who's
related to the angry guy again.
478
00:23:52,931 --> 00:23:54,731
Do you have much idea
who she was in life?
479
00:23:54,733 --> 00:23:58,001
I think that she lived here.
480
00:24:00,539 --> 00:24:01,806
Any idea when?
481
00:24:01,808 --> 00:24:04,141
Like 1915, and in that time,
482
00:24:04,143 --> 00:24:06,744
she was looking to be
in her 40s or 50s.
483
00:24:09,481 --> 00:24:12,683
And she's white
and she's got brown eyes.
484
00:24:16,222 --> 00:24:19,289
Any idea how she's related
to this angry guy?
485
00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:21,926
I don't know. I don't know,
but they...hate each other.
486
00:24:24,163 --> 00:24:26,931
Okay, so now Maybelle's dead.
What happens to the property?
487
00:24:26,933 --> 00:24:29,166
Eventually, it ends up
in the hands
488
00:24:29,168 --> 00:24:30,901
of Maybelle's nephew,
George.
489
00:24:30,903 --> 00:24:32,135
What do you know
about this guy?
490
00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:35,105
George was the black sheep
of the family.
491
00:24:35,107 --> 00:24:36,740
Okay, so black sheep
of the family.
492
00:24:36,742 --> 00:24:37,908
What's the story with that?
493
00:24:37,910 --> 00:24:41,144
One of the sort of
famous stories was
494
00:24:41,146 --> 00:24:42,980
he eloped
and got married in 1907
495
00:24:42,982 --> 00:24:44,381
to a woman
by the name of Hannah.
496
00:24:44,383 --> 00:24:47,084
Within a year, he was
walking down the street
497
00:24:47,086 --> 00:24:49,954
with two girls on his arm,
and his wife caught him...
498
00:24:49,956 --> 00:24:52,890
and he bolted into
the nearest hotel
499
00:24:52,892 --> 00:24:54,325
to try to hide.
500
00:24:54,327 --> 00:24:55,860
This was
such a crazy story,
501
00:24:55,862 --> 00:24:58,395
it made the newspapers
here in town.
502
00:24:58,397 --> 00:25:00,798
And here is a copy
of the newspapers --
503
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,667
"Chased Her Husband
And Girl Companions."
504
00:25:05,671 --> 00:25:07,037
I don't mean to laugh
at your family...
505
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:08,338
- Yeah.
- ...but this is pretty funny.
506
00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:09,673
Well, I...
It's funny.
507
00:25:09,675 --> 00:25:11,408
So does George wind up
getting divorced?
508
00:25:11,410 --> 00:25:13,043
- What happens?
- No.
509
00:25:13,045 --> 00:25:15,379
He and Hannah stay married,
510
00:25:15,381 --> 00:25:17,748
but he does move back
into the property
511
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:21,685
you're investigating that
his parents were living in.
512
00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:23,954
Does he stop there
and just straighten out?
513
00:25:23,956 --> 00:25:26,356
No, he doesn't.
George was an alcoholic.
514
00:25:26,358 --> 00:25:32,329
In 1930, he was passed out in
his car on the railroad tracks,
515
00:25:32,331 --> 00:25:33,831
and the train was coming.
516
00:25:33,833 --> 00:25:35,065
Luckily,
there were cops nearby.
517
00:25:35,067 --> 00:25:37,134
They pulled him out
of the car,
518
00:25:37,136 --> 00:25:39,303
so he didn't get hit
by the train,
519
00:25:39,305 --> 00:25:41,471
and he was arrested.
520
00:25:41,473 --> 00:25:45,175
Five years later, he was
in a serious car accident.
521
00:25:45,177 --> 00:25:48,479
Drunk again, he wrapped
the car around a pole.
522
00:25:48,481 --> 00:25:49,779
What ever happens to him?
523
00:25:49,781 --> 00:25:51,848
He eventually dies in 1952.
524
00:25:51,850 --> 00:25:54,851
He's 64 years old.
He's still living in the house.
525
00:25:54,853 --> 00:25:58,055
And here is
his death certificate.
526
00:25:58,057 --> 00:26:00,157
He died of rectal cancer.
527
00:26:03,495 --> 00:26:06,730
So we just have
this angry guy.
528
00:26:06,732 --> 00:26:13,637
I couldn't gather if it was
his home, a business, or both.
529
00:26:13,639 --> 00:26:15,939
It's even hard to know
what he did for a living.
530
00:26:15,941 --> 00:26:18,409
He lived here for awhile
and moved out
531
00:26:18,411 --> 00:26:20,010
and had come back.
532
00:26:22,748 --> 00:26:27,751
I think the dude
would hang out down here.
533
00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:31,321
He used to come down here
to escape his family.
534
00:26:31,323 --> 00:26:33,323
So what's going on
with him and his family?
535
00:26:33,325 --> 00:26:37,227
He felt like they were a burden,
took time away from
536
00:26:37,229 --> 00:26:40,464
what he really wanted
to be thinking about or doing.
537
00:26:40,466 --> 00:26:44,735
"You can't be down here.
This is my space.
538
00:26:44,737 --> 00:26:46,536
You need to leave."
539
00:26:46,538 --> 00:26:50,774
I think he just hated all people
and just wanted to be alone
540
00:26:50,776 --> 00:26:53,010
so he could just do his thing.
541
00:26:53,012 --> 00:26:57,715
It's just much harder for him
to live with people.
542
00:26:57,717 --> 00:27:01,085
He did fantasize about --
about -- about killing
543
00:27:01,087 --> 00:27:04,354
and -- and torture.
544
00:27:04,356 --> 00:27:08,058
I'm hoping that this was
just his fantasy world.
545
00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:09,726
And that lady I saw,
546
00:27:09,728 --> 00:27:13,998
I don't think she was...
like, psycho in that way.
547
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,533
Maybe that's why
she hated him so much
548
00:27:16,535 --> 00:27:18,135
'cause he's, like, a monster.
549
00:27:26,212 --> 00:27:28,946
I saw several disturbing
things during my walk,
550
00:27:28,948 --> 00:27:30,614
but two stood out.
551
00:27:30,616 --> 00:27:33,483
First, the angry woman
at the top of the stairs.
552
00:27:33,485 --> 00:27:37,287
She was very petite,
pale skin.
553
00:27:37,289 --> 00:27:39,756
She had high cheekbones.
554
00:27:39,758 --> 00:27:42,459
She stretched
her entire face.
555
00:27:42,461 --> 00:27:44,961
Next, I described
the metalhead demon guy
556
00:27:44,963 --> 00:27:47,030
tormenting a living person.
557
00:27:47,032 --> 00:27:50,901
I was in a bedroom,
and there was a dead male
558
00:27:50,903 --> 00:27:53,704
kneeling to the side
559
00:27:53,706 --> 00:27:56,140
of the individual in the bed.
560
00:27:58,310 --> 00:28:01,578
And he had long,
heavy metal-looking hair.
561
00:28:08,254 --> 00:28:11,121
Amy, is that what
you saw?
562
00:28:11,123 --> 00:28:12,923
Yes, that's what I saw.
563
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,146
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
564
00:28:36,148 --> 00:28:38,281
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
565
00:28:38,283 --> 00:28:40,617
and our clients
for the first time.
566
00:28:40,619 --> 00:28:42,586
Well, Amy,
I'd like you to meet Nicole.
567
00:28:42,588 --> 00:28:44,754
She lives here with
her 3-year-old son, August.
568
00:28:44,756 --> 00:28:46,123
That's him right here.
569
00:28:46,125 --> 00:28:47,891
She also has
a couple of roommates,
570
00:28:47,893 --> 00:28:49,560
but activity here is so bad,
571
00:28:49,562 --> 00:28:51,595
they're planning on
not sticking around.
572
00:28:51,597 --> 00:28:53,497
This is
her long-time friend Carl,
573
00:28:53,499 --> 00:28:56,966
and he's also had
a ton of experiences here,
574
00:28:56,968 --> 00:28:59,169
but both of them are convinced
that whatever's here
575
00:28:59,171 --> 00:29:01,738
in this house
is going after August.
576
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:02,840
They feel if we can't help them,
577
00:29:02,842 --> 00:29:04,474
that he's gonna be scarred
for life.
578
00:29:04,476 --> 00:29:06,843
So now that Amy knows
a little bit about you guys,
579
00:29:06,845 --> 00:29:09,646
I'll ask her to describe
her walk for us.
580
00:29:12,317 --> 00:29:15,452
So I encountered this
deceased woman upstairs.
581
00:29:15,454 --> 00:29:18,322
It was obvious that
she didn't want me here,
582
00:29:18,324 --> 00:29:20,857
and I was not welcome.
583
00:29:20,859 --> 00:29:24,861
She does really like
scaring the living here,
584
00:29:24,863 --> 00:29:28,532
even though she knows that
it's causing people here
585
00:29:28,534 --> 00:29:31,568
psychological trauma.
586
00:29:31,570 --> 00:29:34,605
She doesn't really care
because she is so desperate
587
00:29:34,607 --> 00:29:36,372
for any kind of attention.
588
00:29:36,374 --> 00:29:39,009
And one of the things
she'll do
589
00:29:39,011 --> 00:29:41,011
if she gets bored
or frustrated
590
00:29:41,013 --> 00:29:43,447
is she'll throw tantrums.
591
00:29:43,449 --> 00:29:46,350
When she has these tantrums
and she's stomping around,
592
00:29:46,352 --> 00:29:49,653
you might hear, like,
stomping sounds.
593
00:29:49,655 --> 00:29:50,887
Wow.
594
00:29:50,889 --> 00:29:54,123
There is a pounding
on the floor,
595
00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:56,894
almost like somebody
is holding a broom handle
596
00:29:56,896 --> 00:30:00,163
and pounding against
the basement floor.
597
00:30:00,165 --> 00:30:01,331
Interesting.
598
00:30:01,333 --> 00:30:04,401
She may try
to actually be seen.
599
00:30:04,403 --> 00:30:08,338
One of the things that she can
do is actually throw things.
600
00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:10,907
Nicole, tell her
about the fire truck.
601
00:30:10,909 --> 00:30:13,176
There is a fire truck
near the mantel,
602
00:30:13,178 --> 00:30:16,846
and it'll fly off
about 3 feet.
603
00:30:16,848 --> 00:30:19,216
You said it's possible they
might be able to see this woman.
604
00:30:19,218 --> 00:30:22,185
Any idea what it would
look like to them?
605
00:30:22,187 --> 00:30:24,488
Yeah, so her whole face
and body was, like,
606
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:26,356
stretched out like that,
607
00:30:26,358 --> 00:30:29,926
indicating to me, like,
"This is my territory."
608
00:30:29,928 --> 00:30:33,030
I had a sketch done
of what I saw.
609
00:30:42,241 --> 00:30:43,407
That's interesting.
610
00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:54,117
My.
611
00:30:56,488 --> 00:30:59,756
I've seen an apparition
stretched, too, at the top,
612
00:30:59,758 --> 00:31:03,327
but appeared to be a woman
from about here on up.
613
00:31:03,329 --> 00:31:04,827
Interesting.
614
00:31:04,829 --> 00:31:08,264
About -- We figured about
6 feet long, about a foot wide.
615
00:31:08,266 --> 00:31:10,701
So did you get any idea of
who this woman could've been?
616
00:31:10,703 --> 00:31:13,170
I had a hard time
with that,
617
00:31:13,172 --> 00:31:14,904
but a couple of things
stood out.
618
00:31:14,906 --> 00:31:17,774
She was white,
brown eyes, brown hair.
619
00:31:17,776 --> 00:31:19,443
Probably in her 40s.
620
00:31:19,445 --> 00:31:20,910
She kind of came from
621
00:31:20,912 --> 00:31:24,080
a really kind of dysfunctional,
crazy family,
622
00:31:24,082 --> 00:31:28,985
and that she lived here at some
point between 1915 and 1925.
623
00:31:28,987 --> 00:31:31,755
That's not a ton to go on,
but based on the time period,
624
00:31:31,757 --> 00:31:33,656
I've got an idea
of who it might've been.
625
00:31:33,658 --> 00:31:35,926
From 1912 to 1918,
this place was owned
626
00:31:35,928 --> 00:31:38,061
by a woman named
Maybelle Groman.
627
00:31:38,063 --> 00:31:39,263
Her relatives
are actually the ones
628
00:31:39,265 --> 00:31:41,498
that built this house in 1894.
629
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:43,100
Five years after
she got this place,
630
00:31:43,102 --> 00:31:45,335
she was diagnosed
with uterine cancer,
631
00:31:45,337 --> 00:31:48,871
and she died from the disease
a few months later.
632
00:31:48,873 --> 00:31:50,874
Here's her death certificate.
633
00:31:50,876 --> 00:31:52,309
You got it pretty spot on,
on the age,
634
00:31:52,311 --> 00:31:53,877
'cause look how old she was
when she died.
635
00:31:53,879 --> 00:31:56,113
She was 39.
636
00:31:56,115 --> 00:31:58,014
That's awful.
637
00:31:58,016 --> 00:31:59,616
Is it possible
it's Maybelle Groman
638
00:31:59,618 --> 00:32:00,850
that you might've seen?
639
00:32:00,852 --> 00:32:05,222
Time-wise, age-wise,
interesting. Yeah.
640
00:32:09,295 --> 00:32:12,029
The next person that
I ran into
641
00:32:12,031 --> 00:32:15,599
was a deceased male
who is related to her.
642
00:32:15,601 --> 00:32:17,034
This male
used to live here,
643
00:32:17,036 --> 00:32:22,706
but I got that he was from
a much more recent time period,
644
00:32:22,708 --> 00:32:24,240
maybe the '60s.
645
00:32:24,242 --> 00:32:27,744
It seemed like he had moved out
and then had moved back in.
646
00:32:27,746 --> 00:32:30,347
I couldn't initially tell
how he was related,
647
00:32:30,349 --> 00:32:35,585
but the thing with this guy
is that he was very unstable
648
00:32:35,587 --> 00:32:37,587
while he was alive,
649
00:32:37,589 --> 00:32:42,926
and he really despised
his family,
650
00:32:42,928 --> 00:32:47,297
and I saw him fantasizing
about murdering them.
651
00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:52,368
He did fantasize aboutkilling and -- and torture.
652
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:55,405
I'm hoping that this wasjust his fantasy world.
653
00:32:55,407 --> 00:32:58,074
Maybe that's whyshe hated him so much
654
00:32:58,076 --> 00:33:00,343
'cause he's, like, a monster.
655
00:33:00,345 --> 00:33:03,413
I saw him mostly hanging out
in the basement.
656
00:33:03,415 --> 00:33:05,548
That's where he likes to be,
657
00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:08,819
because he can be alone,
away from everybody.
658
00:33:08,821 --> 00:33:13,423
The guy sounds a lot like
Maybelle Groman's nephew George.
659
00:33:13,425 --> 00:33:15,992
Now after Maybelle died, this
property eventually went to him.
660
00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:18,361
But the guy you saw, George,
lived here a couple of times,
661
00:33:18,363 --> 00:33:19,896
first in the early 1900s,
662
00:33:19,898 --> 00:33:21,764
and then again
about 15 years later.
663
00:33:21,766 --> 00:33:24,067
Now I talked to one
of Groman's descendants.
664
00:33:24,069 --> 00:33:25,969
He told me George was
the black sheep of the family
665
00:33:25,971 --> 00:33:28,438
and he embarrassed them
his entire life.
666
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,307
In 1907, he eloped
with his wife, Hannah.
667
00:33:31,309 --> 00:33:33,710
A year later, he was caught
in broad daylight
668
00:33:33,712 --> 00:33:35,846
cheating on her with two women.
669
00:33:35,848 --> 00:33:37,580
After this,
the two of them separated,
670
00:33:37,582 --> 00:33:40,517
and he ended up moving back
into the house with his parents.
671
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:43,253
So the descendant
I spoke to said that
672
00:33:43,255 --> 00:33:44,987
the family allowed him to
move back in here
673
00:33:44,989 --> 00:33:48,458
so they could keep an eye on him
and maybe try to control him,
674
00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:50,059
but that didn't work out.
675
00:33:50,061 --> 00:33:51,461
1930, he got drunk,
676
00:33:51,463 --> 00:33:54,064
passed out in his car
on the railroad tracks.
677
00:33:54,066 --> 00:33:55,198
Dear.
678
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,867
And the cops saw it
and saved him.
679
00:33:56,869 --> 00:33:59,469
They actually pulled him out...
680
00:33:59,471 --> 00:34:01,071
Five years later, he actually
totaled his car
681
00:34:01,073 --> 00:34:03,173
while driving drunk,
and he got seriously injured.
682
00:34:03,175 --> 00:34:06,142
Now, George ended up dying
in 1952 of rectal cancer,
683
00:34:06,144 --> 00:34:09,278
and he was 64 years old
at the time of his death.
684
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,149
Now, is it possible the guy
you saw is George Groman?
685
00:34:12,151 --> 00:34:13,884
Sounds like this one
could be him.
686
00:34:13,886 --> 00:34:15,018
Yeah. Yeah.
687
00:34:15,020 --> 00:34:16,753
Now does he do anything
to the living here?
688
00:34:16,755 --> 00:34:20,390
Yeah. He is capable of getting
physical, so he can caress.
689
00:34:20,392 --> 00:34:23,226
He can get violent
and possibly hit.
690
00:34:23,228 --> 00:34:24,895
Tell Amy about when you got
touched on the hip.
691
00:34:24,897 --> 00:34:26,329
Yes.
692
00:34:26,331 --> 00:34:29,966
I've been pushed on the hips,
various rooms of the house.
693
00:34:29,968 --> 00:34:31,834
One of the things that
he did to me
694
00:34:31,836 --> 00:34:35,037
was up at the top of the stairs,
caressing my back,
695
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:36,873
and then it was playing
with my hair,
696
00:34:36,875 --> 00:34:39,776
but, like, in a...
creepy...
697
00:34:39,778 --> 00:34:41,511
- Yeah.
- You know what I'm saying?
698
00:34:41,513 --> 00:34:45,181
Like, I saw him watching
living people in the shower.
699
00:34:45,183 --> 00:34:49,252
I saw him wanting to be
inappropriate with the living.
700
00:34:49,254 --> 00:34:51,320
You felt like you were being
watched in the shower.
701
00:34:51,322 --> 00:34:55,591
Yes. Yeah, bathroom is
a hot spot for sure.
702
00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:58,328
What I'm really concerned
about is how he likes
703
00:34:58,330 --> 00:35:00,597
to mess with your mind.
704
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:04,868
He likes it when they becomeemotional and upset and scared.
705
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:08,204
He, like, breaks them downmentally, psychologically.
706
00:35:08,206 --> 00:35:11,207
It's really badbecause it's all set
707
00:35:11,209 --> 00:35:14,077
on messing withthe living people here.
708
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:15,645
The other thing with
this guy
709
00:35:15,647 --> 00:35:19,749
is that he can create
and cause hallucinations.
710
00:35:19,751 --> 00:35:22,018
He said that he can
go into your mind
711
00:35:22,020 --> 00:35:24,821
and project back to you
what you're afraid of.
712
00:35:24,823 --> 00:35:29,091
My son
sees a man constantly.
713
00:35:29,093 --> 00:35:31,828
He describes him as...
714
00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:35,231
red with a mustache.
715
00:35:35,233 --> 00:35:38,034
Now, Amy, you said he can
project what you're afraid of.
716
00:35:38,036 --> 00:35:40,036
Both of them have seen
shadow figures.
717
00:35:40,038 --> 00:35:42,105
Last night, I literally
saw somebody
718
00:35:42,107 --> 00:35:43,806
running through
my dining room.
719
00:35:43,808 --> 00:35:47,310
I saw black mist creeping in
from the laundry room,
720
00:35:47,312 --> 00:35:48,578
along the ceiling.
721
00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:50,847
It's bad.
722
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:56,953
Okay, anything else?
723
00:35:56,955 --> 00:36:00,189
This next person that I met
was a deceased male.
724
00:36:00,191 --> 00:36:03,393
First encountered him,
I thought he was a demon.
725
00:36:03,395 --> 00:36:06,596
But it's not.
It's a dead male.
726
00:36:06,598 --> 00:36:09,799
He presented
his human form to me,
727
00:36:09,801 --> 00:36:14,437
and it looked like
an '80s heavy metal rocker.
728
00:36:14,439 --> 00:36:18,174
He's obsessed with
harming living people.
729
00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:21,877
He's been trying to do this
for a very long time.
730
00:36:21,879 --> 00:36:24,080
One of the things
he was focused on
731
00:36:24,082 --> 00:36:27,683
was him talking about
his "big try."
732
00:36:27,685 --> 00:36:31,287
He was showing me
a massive car accident.
733
00:36:31,289 --> 00:36:33,557
He was leading me to believe
that this is something
734
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:35,391
that had occurred
in the past,
735
00:36:35,393 --> 00:36:39,695
and something that he may work
on doing in the future as well.
736
00:36:39,697 --> 00:36:42,031
One of the people who
owned this house at one point
737
00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:44,634
died in a very horrible
car accident.
738
00:36:44,636 --> 00:36:48,504
So from 1975 to 2001, this house
was owned by the Robok family.
739
00:36:48,506 --> 00:36:53,109
In May of 1997, Ronny Robok left
for work, and then on the way,
740
00:36:53,111 --> 00:36:55,178
a semi-truck drifted into
oncoming traffic
741
00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:58,381
and hit this poor guy,
killing him instantly.
742
00:36:58,383 --> 00:37:01,183
Got his death certificate here.
743
00:37:01,185 --> 00:37:02,752
Okay, so is it possible
the metalhead
744
00:37:02,754 --> 00:37:04,187
had something to do
with this crash?
745
00:37:04,189 --> 00:37:06,723
I think
it's a big possibility.
746
00:37:06,725 --> 00:37:09,725
Yes.
747
00:37:09,727 --> 00:37:12,729
So is this guy capable
of doing that to these guys?
748
00:37:12,731 --> 00:37:14,364
Yes.
749
00:37:14,366 --> 00:37:16,533
I'm worried because I got
that he's focused
750
00:37:16,535 --> 00:37:18,334
on a young person here.
751
00:37:18,336 --> 00:37:20,403
He likes to mess with this
person while they're sleeping,
752
00:37:20,405 --> 00:37:21,537
and this is what he does.
753
00:37:21,539 --> 00:37:23,272
He plants negative thoughts
754
00:37:23,274 --> 00:37:25,342
to make the living person
do his bidding.
755
00:37:25,344 --> 00:37:27,811
So I had a sketch done
of what I saw happening
756
00:37:27,813 --> 00:37:29,446
with this dead man.
757
00:37:38,924 --> 00:37:40,123
It's kind of creepy.
758
00:37:45,496 --> 00:37:46,896
Wow.
759
00:37:49,801 --> 00:37:52,501
Yeah, my son...
Jeez.
760
00:37:52,503 --> 00:37:55,438
Yeah, my son did say
he had a lot of hair,
761
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,041
and that he can
make himself into anything.
762
00:38:00,845 --> 00:38:04,847
You felt like August
was taken over a few times.
763
00:38:04,849 --> 00:38:08,651
Yes. My son came running
and really super scared,
764
00:38:08,653 --> 00:38:12,188
and all of a sudden,
he didn't have fear anymore.
765
00:38:12,190 --> 00:38:13,789
He just stood up,
came over to me,
766
00:38:13,791 --> 00:38:15,925
and slapped me
in the face...
767
00:38:15,927 --> 00:38:17,259
Yeah.
768
00:38:17,261 --> 00:38:19,729
...and then became extremely
disoriented afterwards
769
00:38:19,731 --> 00:38:22,498
and was calling my name,
and I know that wasn't him.
770
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:23,733
Yeah. It wasn't him.
771
00:38:23,735 --> 00:38:26,069
Now could he have
put the idea in Auggy?
772
00:38:26,071 --> 00:38:27,937
Yes. Yeah, absolutely.
773
00:38:27,939 --> 00:38:29,305
He would've been, you know,
774
00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:32,308
possessed by this
freaking maniac to do it.
775
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,880
The thing that scares me about
him is that he wants death.
776
00:38:37,882 --> 00:38:40,817
He wants this person
to kill people.
777
00:38:42,287 --> 00:38:44,320
Wow.
778
00:38:44,322 --> 00:38:47,724
Honestly, can't believe
that this could be happening.
779
00:38:47,726 --> 00:38:50,293
Like, why my son?
Like, why?
780
00:38:50,295 --> 00:38:55,498
This person just wants
death, mayhem, and murder.
781
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:57,500
Any means necessary.
782
00:38:57,502 --> 00:39:01,371
It is on par with demons.
783
00:39:03,241 --> 00:39:05,074
Are you serious?
784
00:39:17,255 --> 00:39:18,455
So, Nicole, you called us in
785
00:39:18,457 --> 00:39:21,090
because you were worried
about your son August,
786
00:39:21,092 --> 00:39:22,459
and it's a good thing you did
787
00:39:22,461 --> 00:39:24,260
because based on
what Amy's told us,
788
00:39:24,262 --> 00:39:28,597
the problem was a lot worse
than you realized.
789
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:30,200
But now it's time
to answer the big question.
790
00:39:30,202 --> 00:39:33,570
Can you raise your son
here safely,
791
00:39:33,572 --> 00:39:35,671
or do you need
to get the hell out?
792
00:39:35,673 --> 00:39:37,540
For that answer,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
793
00:39:40,211 --> 00:39:45,314
A lot of things need
to happen simultaneously.
794
00:39:45,316 --> 00:39:50,053
The first thing is your son
needs a full-blown exorcism.
795
00:39:50,055 --> 00:39:53,122
- An exorcism?
- Yes.
796
00:39:53,124 --> 00:39:55,592
Now this doesn't necessarily
have to be done
797
00:39:55,594 --> 00:39:57,994
by a Catholic priest,
798
00:39:57,996 --> 00:40:01,064
but an exorcism
has to be performed
799
00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:06,469
because he has been utilized
by this metalhead guy
800
00:40:06,471 --> 00:40:08,505
for a very long time,
801
00:40:08,507 --> 00:40:12,642
and we need him
completely 100%
802
00:40:12,644 --> 00:40:14,510
out of your son.
803
00:40:16,914 --> 00:40:21,083
At the same time, a psychic
and a medium will be showing up,
804
00:40:21,085 --> 00:40:23,453
and they are going to remove
805
00:40:23,455 --> 00:40:27,590
the three deceased individuals
from this home.
806
00:40:27,592 --> 00:40:31,927
Now at the same time, you're
going to be being dealt with
807
00:40:31,929 --> 00:40:33,596
by a reiki master,
808
00:40:33,598 --> 00:40:36,732
who's going to remove
any and all cords from you
809
00:40:36,734 --> 00:40:39,335
that these dead people
have attached.
810
00:40:39,337 --> 00:40:41,203
This must all happen
at the same time.
811
00:40:41,205 --> 00:40:43,072
It has to be
without a hitch.
812
00:40:43,074 --> 00:40:45,809
It has to be going on
simultaneously,
813
00:40:45,811 --> 00:40:49,545
so this is going to be
one heck of a day.
814
00:40:49,547 --> 00:40:50,880
Okay.
815
00:40:50,882 --> 00:40:52,415
And what would happen
if she picked up and moved?
816
00:40:52,417 --> 00:40:57,386
Even if you were to leave,
they would go with you.
817
00:40:57,388 --> 00:41:01,291
I know it's a lot, but are you
gonna take Amy's advice?
818
00:41:01,293 --> 00:41:02,625
Yes, absolutely.
819
00:41:02,627 --> 00:41:05,227
Without a shadow
of a doubt, I will.
820
00:41:05,229 --> 00:41:06,896
It's my job as a mother.
821
00:41:06,898 --> 00:41:10,700
I have to do anything
I can for him.
822
00:41:10,702 --> 00:41:13,269
I don't know how much Carl can
help, but what can he do?
823
00:41:13,271 --> 00:41:16,039
Just being supportive and
helping as much as possible.
824
00:41:16,041 --> 00:41:17,573
Okay, will do.
825
00:41:17,575 --> 00:41:19,742
We have to get this fixed.
826
00:41:19,744 --> 00:41:22,078
I value, you know,
what you say.
827
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,379
I would've gone crazy.
828
00:41:23,381 --> 00:41:26,983
I mean, I really appreciate
this, so thank you.
829
00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:31,187
I wish it were easier,
830
00:41:31,189 --> 00:41:32,588
but if Nicole is going
to overcome
831
00:41:32,590 --> 00:41:34,857
what's happening
to her and August,
832
00:41:34,859 --> 00:41:37,927
she needs to simultaneously
perform the exorcism
833
00:41:37,929 --> 00:41:41,463
while the medium, psychic,
and reiki master remove the dead
834
00:41:41,465 --> 00:41:43,666
and sever their attachments
to the living.
835
00:41:43,668 --> 00:41:47,670
Only then will she and her son
get the peace they deserve.
836
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:52,270
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