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I heard deadly intentions.

He's, like, really getting mad.

I don't feel comfortable.

I see blood just flowing.

I feel like almost being buried alive.

There were people just buried randomly around here.

It's like a huge avalanche of gravel

that just came down on these kids.

They want me out.

I'm in a lot of pain.

Panic, panic, panic.

My name is Amy Allan.

I'm seeing, like, blood.

The house just feels bad.

I see dead people.

This man is completely insane.

I speak to dead people...

Whoo. Okay. She doesn't like it in there.

...and they speak to me.

He likes to twist that knife.

But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.

Something paranormal is trying to kill them.

I rely on my partner.

I'm Steve Di Schiavi.

I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.

Now does he die right there, on the spot?

I know every person, every house has secrets.

I think it's trying to steal my soul.

It's my job to reveal them.

You ever get touched like that again?

But Steve and I never speak...

We never communicate during an investigation.

...until the very end.

I'm as stunned as you guys are.

When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...

I don't want anything to happen to my daughter.

Or time to get out.

His goal is to kill you guys.

I'm in the small town of New Franken, Wisconsin,

just 15 minutes east of Green Bay.

I got a call from a woman named Kelli.

Now she spent the last 2 years and her life savings

converting an old house into her dream business.

Now here's where the trouble is.

The activity is so bad,

she doesn't think it's safe for anybody to be there,

and if we can't help her,

she's gonna have to close her doors and walk away.

Before Amy arrives, I look for any leading information.

This place has a lot of unique and unusual items

that could influence her findings,

so it's important I cover or remove them all.

When I'm done,

the location will be ready for tonight's walk.

I don't like this.

Right away, there's warnings,

warning after warning after warning.

God. There's not good energy in this damn place.

No. Mnh-mnh.

So there's something with the land here.

There were people probably just buried randomly around here.

These people are not at rest.

It attracts bad people.

You got to be a seedy... to thrive on this land.

Kelli, when we spoke on the phone, you sounded upset.

- What's going on? - First of all, I am

extremely, extremely thankful that you're here.

I mean, our dream is literally crumbling.

Whatever entity is here,

I get the feeling it doesn't want us here.

You used to live here.

- Correct. - For how long?

About 12 years.

So when you guys lived in the house, who all lived here?

It was me and my husband and my four children.

Okay.

So when you guys were living here, did you have any activity?

We did have some, but it was nothing

that was real concerning or serious.

It didn't get that way until we started

renovating for the business.

Is it a family business? What's the story?

Yes and no. My husband is supportive of me,

but it's really me and my business partner.

Okay. And who's your business partner?

- Her name is Kelly as well. - Okay.

What kind of business do you guys want to open?

An alternative healing business,

reiki energy healing and a holistic cafe.

But overwhelming sense I get is that whatever is here

doesn't want us to help people.

Okay.

It sounds like the kind of place my partner would like.

You know, Kelli, not for nothing,

but this place doesn't really look like it's ready to open.

I mean, that's one of the main reasons we need you.

We have tried really hard to get it off the ground,

but every time we come over here to work,

the activity goes insane, and we have to leave.

So what do you think started it?

It started when we tore down the walls,

and we found tons and tons and tons of stuff in the walls.

So you found all this crap behind the walls?

Yes.

And everything got 10 times, 20 times, 100 times worse.

Give me a list of experiences you guys are having.

A lot of footsteps and voices. Okay.

Shadow figures, personality changes,

and now it's become physically violent.

So when you say "personality changes," what do you mean?

It seems to be over the top.

When you get mad, you get really mad.

When you get sad, you get depressed.

And for me, that is not normal.

What if Amy did tell you,

"Listen, you gotta walk away from this place.

It's never gonna be able to get fixed"?

Just the idea of walking away is heartbreaking.

I've put everything into this.

There's some dead dude with me.

He doesn't want me here.

He keeps trying to...

confuse me.

What sort of stuff was he doing?

He was trying to block me.

Like, jumbling up my...

thoughts.

He is not good.

He said he'll hurt me, poking me in the eye.

I'm in a lot of pain.

I don't think that it's a good idea to...

go down there.

All right, so what's going on down here?

The most pronounced thing that bothers me is depression.

As soon as I come downstairs, I start feeling heavy.

- Are you feeling that right now? - For sure.

I feel like almost being buried alive.

I don't stay down here long, ever.

Okay. So anything else?

The next thing that comes to mind --

in my office, in the very back corner of the house,

I saw a distinct solid, dark gray, black-ish shadow.

So anything else?

When I lived here, I started randomly getting

very bad body pain -- my ankles, lower body.

Okay. I mean, you lived here a long time.

What makes you think it's paranormal?

It got better when I moved out.

Why don't you just cut your losses,

sell this place, and get the hell out of here?

My heart is like, "Come on.

There's got to be a way to make it work."

I want to be able to help as many people as possible,

and right now, it's just not possible.

Boy. This is the angry guy's space down here.

He can instill fear in people,

so maybe making growling noises, yelling.

"This is all mine. Get away."

He's physically capable of punching and poking.

I feel drunk and sick.

I'm getting punched in the kidney area.

Kelly, I was talking to your partner.

She's got pretty bad things going on here.

I mean, how about you?

I'm ready to take everything and leave.

- That bad? - Yeah.

If we could fix it, make this place safer for you guys,

would you consider staying? - Yeah.

I've put everything that I am into this,

but there's a lot going on here that I can't explain,

and I feel like it's targeting me.

As far as experiences go, what can you tell me that you've had?

I've come into my office, and things have been moved,

things, usually, that mean something to me,

that I was putting my heart into.

Are you sure nobody was, maybe, just messing around with you

as far as moving stuff around? It's a big building.

Nobody was messing around with me.

I had asked everyone, and nobody had been here.

Okay. So anything else?

I saw a shadow person looking at me in the basement.

All right. So did it look like a person,

where that you can identify them?

I don't want to see anything,

so I don't let my mind see anything past a shadow shape.

- Okay. - I feel like he's a torturer.

What's giving you that sense?

It's just a feeling,

a really sinking, evil feeling.

Dear, dear.

I don't like this room in particular.

Someone is trying to put good energy in here,

but it's no good.

They're just gonna, you know, get sick and hurt.

This dead guy keeps messing with me.

Do you have any idea what this guy wants?

He wants everybody out.

Would you say people are in danger here?

Yeah, they are.

This is the worst place in the house for me.

What's going on?

I get sick when I come up here.

I start to feel, like, in my stomach,

and then I start gagging.

I mean, is that something that you go through

when you're not here? - No.

Is anything else going on?

I feel like something physically squeezes me.

Do you feel hands wrapped around you or...

No. Like, my whole body feels like it's being squeezed.

Okay. Anything else physical happening like that?

I got a scratch on my lower back.

I was at the bottom of the stairs.

I saw the shadow person.

Okay.

And then I felt the burn, and I had Kelli look at it,

and it was a scratch across my back.

Okay. So how long of a scratch are we talking about?

Maybe, like, 3 inches.

And you didn't catch your back on anything

going down the steps or anything like that?

- No. - Okay.

I don't feel comfortable.

In what way?

I just want to go downstairs now.

- Okay. - Are we done here, or does...

Yeah. Let's go. Come on.

- I'm sorry. - No, it's okay.

I'm hearing a woman's voice.

She's saying someone died here, and it was very sudden.

You would feel despair.

This is where she comes to be sad and lonely.

She's not good.

That's sad, bringing up sad, sad.

I'm feeling very sad, very sad.

So, David, I was talking to your wife

and her partner Kelli. - Right.

They're both pretty freaked out by what's going on here.

Yeah.

Do you think it's a good idea for your wife and her partner

to make this a healing place? - I'm behind them 100%,

but I think this is the wrong place,

and this place is really, really weighing heavily on them.

Do you believe there's stuff going on in this place?

At first, I didn't believe it.

What happened to change your mind?

Even now, at this moment, I feel a really big sense of dread,

like somebody is sitting on my shoulders,

and he weighs a lot more than I do.

You're talking about physically or emotionally?

Physically.

And are you feeling that way right now?

- Yes. - Is anything else going on?

Out in the barn, I saw something out of the corner of my eye,

and I look, and it looked like a black figure

wearing a cape, with eyes, just sitting on a rafter.

And then, when I actually concentrated, I'm like,

"What am I seeing?" Then it's not there.

Do you get a sense of what size it might have been?

Tall, over 6-foot.

I mean, did it look like it was staring at you?

Totally.

It was, like, you know how you get that creepy feeling

when you're in a crowd,

and you got that one dude just staring at you?

- That's what it felt like? - Yeah.

And you're wondering like, "Why is he staring at me?"

So now that we are here, what are you hoping

we could do for you?

I want whatever is here gone. I don't know what to do.

I've tried everything.

I feel like somebody, like, living out here.

You know, there's a lot of wandering dead,

I guess I would say.

Here I'm seeing a lot of, like, shadow people.

They're not good.

They make me feel uneasy, and I don't know.

It's almost like they're all standing at bay.

How many do you see?

About 12. 13, maybe.

I- I-I hear deadly intentions.

So, Nevin, I was talking to both your parents,

and they were saying that,

some pretty dangerous stuff going on this property.

You agree with that?

Yeah.

So I talked to Kelli and Dave's kids out in the barn...

I would get this really just weird feeling like somebody

was standing outside,

watching me, but looking through me.

...and all of them are glad to be out of that house.

I felt like somebody would always be watching me,

and it was super, super creepy, honestly,

and I would not want to leave my room at night at all.

Okay.

And I can see why,

especially when I spoke to their oldest daughter Kayla.

One time I woke up, and I had a puncture wound by my eye.

How bad was it?

It was pretty deep, and it was running down my face.

You wear jewelry to bed, anything like that? No.

Is there any chance you could have done that with your nails?

No. It looked like a clear stab,

direct, like an actual, like, hole.

Now is anything else going on?

I would wake up in the middle of the night

and see shadow figures in front of my closet.

Could you make out what they look like?

They look like a person.

That you could see through it, or was it solid dark?

Pretty solid dark.

Would you ever come back here and live?

- No. - Even if we fixed it?

No.

These shadow people are everywhere.

Yeah, there's more, like, coming.

I don't like this.

I'm thinking they were people, yeah, but they have pain.

They have pain that they suffered.

They're, like, disturbed.

Yeah, I don't like this.

So there's, like, a watcher here.

It's like a standing post, and he alerted,

I think, the others.

Very strategic.

The watcher is the leader of this group of shadow people.

I think he sees us and senses danger.

Do you know if the living would have any experiences with these?

Yeah.

I think they would see the one, for sure.

I see him...I think going underneath the ground,

so I think basement.

Do you think the living might be in any danger from these?

I do. Yeah. I think they're hostile, they're angry.

But when they're around, bad things happen.

They're not death, but they, like,

they're with all the death.

We are literally in the middle of nowhere.

It seems there's more cornfields out here than humans.

So I was kind of worried

I wouldn't be able to find much history on Kelli's property.

But I just got a call from a genealogist who says

one of the original owners has a story

I'm definitely gonna wanna know about.

Dave, you mentioned, on the phone,

that the original owner of my client's property

had a pretty tough time,

But before we get to that,

who were they and when did they get there?

The first owners of the property in question here

is the Delvaux family, and they got here in 1856.

All right. So how much of my client's land did they buy?

- They had purchased 82 acres. - Okay.

So I can assume, with all that property, they were farmers.

Right. They were local farmers, but then John Joseph Delvaux,

who was the patriarch of the family,

ended up getting involved in local politics.

So you had mentioned on the phone,

the family had some crazy times there.

So when did that start?

It first starts in 1889

when John Joseph Delvaux gets involved in a voting scandal.

Okay. So what happened?

The assemblyman candidate offers John Joseph Delvaux

the position of postmaster if he votes for him.

Delvaux accepted the bribe.

In fact, here's an article describing what had happened

at that point in time. - Okay.

So basically, this guy sold his vote.

Yes. He did.

All right. So what happens next?

John Joseph gets caught and he has to appear in court.

Then he has to testify that he accepted the bribe

and also that he had changed the election results.

All right. Did he do any jail time, though?

- No. - All right.

So he gets away with this bribe. What happens next?

Later that year, his wife Mary dies on the property,

and she was 69 years old. And 2 years after that,

his son Edward dies of tuberculosis, consumption,

at the age of 29.

This is a pretty busy couple of years for this guy.

I mean, what happened next?

Well, unfortunately, in 1893,

John Joseph Delvaux also passes away.

He dies of kidney failure.

- Did he die on the property? - Yes. He did.

Okay. So how old was John Joseph when he died?

He was 69 also, same age as his wife.

Okay. So within a 4-year span, he goes through a scandal,

loses his wife, his son, and then he drops dead.

Right.

All of these people died on my client's property.

Correct.

I'm seeing the angry guy again.

Have you been able to get anything on who he was in life?

I got a lot of things 'cause he's saying

he owns this, the land.

I do think this guy had a family.

I'm thinking he was married.

I think he was really smart.

I'm also getting unethical things with money.

I think he got busted.

He's, like, really getting mad.

There is an illness within this person.

I think that's probably what he died from.

Okay. So now the patriarch of the family is dead.

His son is dead. His wife's dead.

What happens to the property

Melanie, Edward's wife,

stays on the property with her two children.

Wow. Does it get better for her after that?

No. Actually, it doesn't. In fact, it gets worse.

She remarries another local farmer

whose name was Felix LaRose,

and they are married in 1895.

After less than 4 years,

ends up dying from the same disease

her first husband dies from, which was consumption.

He was only 41 years old.

This woman can't catch a break, can she?

No. In 1905, her oldest son, Bernard, ends up dying

from the same disease, consumption.

- How old was he? - He was only 18 years old.

So this woman basically lost her entire family

on my client's property? - Yes.

And she dies in 1944 at the age of 81,

and she is buried along with the others,

which is only about 100 yards away from the original property.

You weren't kidding when you said on the phone

it was a crazy story, but sad as well.

Yes, very sad.

I'm seeing the sad woman again.

She might not know she's dead, but I think she lived here.

I'd put her, like, 1890, 1910.

She's probably, like, 40 or 50 years of age.

She's short.

She's overweight in, like, a weird way.

Like, she seems real ornery, like, very lonely.

She's pretty obsessed with thoughts about death,

the overwhelming feeling of loss,

and it was, like, more than one.

So many people that this person witnessed dying

or went through death.

From all of this loss is the fixation with death,

and that fear, like, consumes all the time.

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So far, I know one of the original owners

of my client's property was involved in a voting scandal,

and several members of his family

are buried within 100 yards of Kelli's home,

but I want to see if there's anything else.

Searching through old records, I find a deadly fire

that swept through New Franken in 1871.

I'm headed to meet an archivist

who says the fire was a complete disaster

and pretty much burnt Kelli's neighborhood to the ground.

So, Mary Jane, I appreciate you meeting me.

I know this fire wiped out the area where my clients live.

Can you give me a time line and what happened?

Well, October 8, 1871. It was extremely dry that summer.

They were in a severe drought.

There were a number of little fires that had started.

They just all merged,

and that just created firestorm, basically.

Because of the winds,

you can actually have something similar to a tornado of fire,

and that's what overtook New Franken.

Wow. So, Mary Jane, how big was this fire?

It was basically 75 miles long and about 45 miles wide.

It stretched from Green Bay all the way up into Michigan.

Okay. So as far as damage goes, what are we talking about?

Everything. Everything was gone.

The whole entire community of New Franken was wiped out.

So what are we talking about as far as a body count?

1,200 casualties that we know, for sure.

- Wow. -75 casualties in New Franken.

That seems like a lot,

considering the size of the town. Yes.

How come this is -- This is a pretty big fire.

How come I've never heard of this thing?

Well, primarily because the Chicago Fire

was on the same day. - Okay.

And because of Chicago's size and national prominence,

that one overshadowed all the other fires.

So I am seeing fire.

Like, it feels like a long happening event.

Like, days.

The land here was, like, traumatized.

Then there's this other fire, and I think, like,

100 people died in that one.

This land is not good. I would say up to 10 miles around.

This is pretty big.

The earth all around is bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.

I just see blood.

I see blood just flowing, blood just flowing, flowing, flowing.

You know, another thing caught my attention in research.

A 15-year-old boy was killed in a freak accident

just down the street from Kelli's building.

I'm headed over to meet with a local historian

who's looking into it for me

and says the way this kid died is just heartbreaking.

Well, Tim, thanks for helping me out with this case.

I appreciate that.

So on the phone, you mentioned

that this kid died in a pretty heartbreaking way.

What the hell happened?

On August 24, 1923, these two young men, actually,

were digging and collecting rocks in a gravel pit

just a block down from your client's property.

All right. So who were these two?

Well, one was a young kid by the name of John Vandervest.

- He was 15. - Okay.

And he was with his brother-in-law John Brunner,

who was in his 20s.

And what happened?

Out of nowhere, the walls start caving in.

It's, like, a huge avalanche of gravel

that just came down on these kids,

and John Brunner was actually buried right to his neck,

but he was still able to yell for help.

Did they rescue both of them?

They were only able to save John Brunner.

John Vandervest, actually, was crushed to death.

And actually, here's an article about it.

The older kid was okay,

and the 15-year-old gets crushed to death.

What a way to go.

I couldn't even imagine being a parent

and knowing my kid died like that.

That would just kill me.

I'm hearing laughing.

I think they're kids.

They're just playing.

Yeesh.

Something very traumatic happened to them.

There was an accident.

I'm feeling them buried, but they're not.

I'm feeling worried, panicked, fear.

I saw several disturbing things on my walk,

but two really stood out.

First, the sad woman.

She was probably

late 50s to mid-60s, very large eyes.

Her chin is very small.

Next, I described a group of shadow figures

and their leader, gathered outside the barn.

It was, like, 6'5" to 7-feet tall,

and then there were others that were coming.

Is this what you saw?

Yes. That's what I saw.

Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,

we're ready to reveal our findings to each other

and our clients for the first time.

So, Amy, I'd like you to meet Kelli.

She used to live here with her husband and four kids.

I have a photo of the whole family right here.

So a couple of years ago, she moved her whole family out

so that she and her business partner,

also named Kelly, could turn this place

into an alternative healing center.

That's when all hell broke loose.

Bottom line is, if we can't help,

they're going to have to close the doors

on their dream business.

What kind of healing center do you want to open?

My dream for this place is for it to be

an alternative healing retreat center

where people could come and stay and have alternative treatments

and experience healing.

But no matter how we foofie this up and make it look pretty

and whatever, we can't get the vibe that we want.

Now that Amy knows a little bit about you guys,

I'll ask her to talk about her walk.

The first individual that I encountered was a female.

She believes that the entire upstairs area is for her

and should be just hers.

With her is a lot of sadness,

and also, she feels extremely lonely.

There's a back part of the attic where she likes to go.

I think that if living people spent a lot of time up there,

they would take these emotions on

and they could have suicidal inclinations.

I was interviewing Kelly up in the attic the other day,

and there's some footage here I want you to see.

Here it is.

I want you to...

I want you to see her reaction just from being in the attic.

-I don't feel comfortable. -In what way?

I just want to go downstairs now.

I'm just really uncomfortable.

Can we -- Are we done here, or does it...

Yeah. Let's go. Come on.

Do me a favor.

Explain to Amy, you know, what you were going through.

I first feel it in my stomach,

and then it feels, like, really sick,

and it kind of feels like too much emotion

that I can't handle,

and then I kind of start gagging

and feel like I'm going to throw up.

Kelli, you said you had depression throughout the house.

Yes, just ultra sad doom and gloom, depressed.

My daughter Kayla, she's had

emotions up and down and sideways for years.

The whole time we were living here,

she absolutely hated living here.

When I spoke to her, she said that,

once she left the house, she was fine.

- Is that right? - She's well, but yeah.

Interesting.

Now all the stuff we just talked about,

including the other Kelly,

is that all caused by this old lady?

Yes.

Okay. So you got any ideas who she might have been

when she was alive?

I would think that she was in her late 40s,

maybe late 50s, even.

She was short.

She was overweight.

I believe that she lived here at some point.

She lost a lot of people throughout her life,

and I think that added to her constant state

of depression and loneliness.

And I also got that there was some kind of illness involved

with this woman.

A lot of what you said reminds me of a woman

that used to live here named Melanie Delvaux.

She moved onto the property when she married

her husband Edward back in 1882.

In 1891, Edward died on the property of tuberculosis.

I got his obit.

So Melanie was left here with two small kids

and her elderly father-in-law.

Two years later, her father-in-law died here

of kidney failure.

Melanie stayed on the land.

She didn't move from here and he tried to start over.

She remarried a guy named Felix LaRose,

but he wound up dying 4 years later on this land.

Now he was only 41 at the time,

and he also died of tuberculosis.

Unfortunately, there's one more.

Her son died at the age of 18,

and he also died of TB on the property.

Completely devastated, and she picked up and moved.

She passed away at the age of 81 in 1944.

Now get this -- Melanie and her entire family are buried

at that church that's only, like, 100 yards from here.

So I do have a picture here of Melanie.

I'm curious if this is who you think you might have saw.

I had a sketch done.

Well...

What's -- what's bothering you about that sketch, Kelly?

Her eyes. I don't want to look at them anymore.

I try to just block it out.

That's kind of why you get sick, though...

because you block it out.

The next individual that I came into contact with was a male,

and he's an issue.

He's extremely strong, very present, and very angry.

Living people who are here who are exposed to this man

would absolutely feel, like, his anger.

Whenever I was trying to get clear information about him,

it was chaos.

He was trying to confuse me,

misdirect me, manipulate my thoughts.

I've had confusion.

Like, I've had some episodes where it's like,

"The hell am I even doing here?"

He was absolutely doing everything in his power

to get me out of here, and he poked me in the eye.

He started punching me in the kidneys.

He was just trying to hurt me.

So, obviously, I think he would be physical with living people.

Poking, hitting, pushing, he can do all that.

He led me down to the basement, so he likes that area the most.

It's his area.

He doesn't want anybody in there.

Well, you're describing a lot of the things

our clients are going through here.

You were talking to me about, when you lived here,

the unexplained body pains.

In particular, my ankles feeling like they're been shattered,

like somebody hit them with a baseball bat,

and they felt like they were broken.

And, Kelli, do me a favor, and tell Amy

how your daughter Kayla woke up with the injury

on her left side of her eye there.

Kayla had an unexplained puncture wound in her eye.

She woke up in the morning, and there was blood.

We looked for a cause everywhere, found nothing.

I got scratched on my lower back,

and I don't know how it happened.

They want me out.

Now any chance this could be

the angry guy you're talking about?

Yeah.

Now did you get anything on this guy in life?

It was, like, difficult to get any information off of him,

but I believe that he, at one point,

owned this land or location.

He was married.

He had two children, I believe.

I also got that he was very intelligent with money,

but he did some very shady things

that got him into trouble.

I kept hearing the word "unethical" with him,

and that he did get busted

for some of the things that he had done.

Well, it's not a lot to go on, but you remember,

I was talking about Melanie Delvaux.

Some of the things you mentioned made me think

of her father-in-law John Joseph Delvaux.

Now he bought this property in 1856.

What really caught my attention is when you said

the word "unethical."

Now Delvaux was involved in local politics.

In 1889, he got caught up in a bribery scandal.

So a local state assembly candidate

promised Delvaux a political appointment

if he used his influence to get him elected,

so Delvaux agreed,

but, like the guy you saw, Delvaux got caught.

He never did any time, but he did have to go to court

and testify as to what he did.

There's an actual article on it right here.

Basically, the judge gave him an earful.

So now this guy lived on the property,

and he died on the property,

and he's also buried in the cemetery next door.

Man.

When the walk was done, I went to the cemetery,

and I felt that some of the activity

that's going on here is from there.

Great.

Anything else?

One of the most important things that I got

is that this property sits on very bad land.

One of the things that traumatized this land

was a fire.

I got, then, two fires.

I know many people died, so I saw a river of blood,

and since that time, this land has been bad.

Well, there's something you definitely need to know about.

Back in 1871, the most devastating fire

in the history of this country hit this area.

You said you saw what seemed like more than one fire.

Well, that's exactly what happened.

It was two smaller fires, a couple of fires, that merged

and then became one major fire

that actually was 75 miles long.

Now the expert that I talked to actually described it

as a tornado of fire.

By the time the fire was out,

it had killed over 1,200 people from here to Michigan.

75 of those deaths were right here in your town

because I don't think you got 75 people in this town now.

Wow. It makes perfect sense.

Is there anything else?

So when I went into the backyard,

and I saw this shadow person start to approach me,

it's a watcher. It was pretty big.

and then I'm looking around,

and I see other shadow people.

Dead people, though,

and there was probably, I think, like, 12 to 13 in all,

and I just felt very uncomfortable.

They were approaching me.

I definitely felt that they were hostile and angry.

I was unnerved, and then I saw this shadow person

dove into the ground and then went under

and showed me him going into the basement.

So I think that living people would probably see shadow beings

both inside and outside.

Just about everybody I interviewed,

in this case, saw shadow people.

Kelly, why don't you tell Amy about the one

you saw in the basement?

He just makes me uncomfortable,

and I just had a feeling like he was just evil.

I don't go down in the basement because of him.

Well, it's funny because, when I spoke to your husband...

...he said he saw a guy hanging, a shadow figure,

hanging from the rafters in the barn.

Not good.

When the shadow people are around,

they can make bad things happen, like accidents.

So are the shadow figures that you saw

probably the same ones that they saw?

I think so.

I had a sketch done.

I don't want to freak you out, but...

Wow.

It just makes me feel sick.

It scares me, like, a lot and hurts my stomach.

That's literally what I feel like outside.

You couldn't pay me to walk around the barn at night.

It's heartbreaking, really.

You okay?

No.

That's a lot of stuff that's happened.

You can't do light work in a dark place.

So, ladies, based on what Amy has told us tonight,

it's a damn good thing you guys never opened up the business,

especially for people who were in need of healing.

Now we're going to answer the big question.

Can you get rid of the dead that are here

and open up the doors to your dream business?

For that, I'm going to turn it over to Amy.

You guys kind of already know the answer to this one,

and I think you've known for awhile.

So unfortunately, I don't think that it's safe to stay here.

The dead don't rest.

Like, they have deadly intentions.

More than likely, they're not going to go anywhere.

And they do have traumatized land

that would really like to just be left alone altogether.

You can try to push the good in here,

but it just isn't ever going to take.

The best advice I can give is, get out.

Wow. Do I just up and sell the place?

Yes.

So if they would have opened up the door for business,

what could have happened?

All hell would have broken loose.

I'm, like, getting chills just thinking about, like,

what could have happened.

So the activity would have just got worse.

My. Yes.

Well, unfortunately, this is not the answers

I was hoping you guys were gonna get.

It's numbing.

I mean, I don't even really have words,

but it's kind of a smack in the face,

like, reality check, so it sucks.

I'm not surprised.

I'm still really raw, like, about everything.

I think I know the answer to this, but are you gonna take

Amy's advice and sell this place?

Yeah.

Yeah. We got a little too much to deal with.

I still wonder how in the world

I stayed here that long, to be honest.

I'm sorry about the bad news, guys.

I wish we had better news for you. I really do.

We're thankful.

I'm thankful that I know for sure.

My heart has been breaking for awhile over it.

This doesn't mean you guys can't do business someplace else.

No. No.

We're never going to give up on that. No.

Nobody should ever give up on what their dream

is just because they hit a roadblock.

We won't stop. It's not going to...

I'm not going to let this house, you know, this land,

this place determine my future.

- No. - It's not happening.

I wish I had better news for the two Kellys,

but their best option is to sell this place.

If they do that, they can leave the bad land

and the dead terrorizing them behind

and begin their dream of opening

an alternative healing center someplace else.

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