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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,310 --> 00:00:11,576 This is bad. 2 00:00:11,578 --> 00:00:14,312 Something just hurt me. 3 00:00:14,314 --> 00:00:17,216 I gotta get out of here, I gotta get out of here. 4 00:00:17,218 --> 00:00:19,184 We are being physically attacked. 5 00:00:19,186 --> 00:00:21,186 I had a shadow figure hold me down in bed. 6 00:00:22,889 --> 00:00:24,823 There's some kind of demonic thing. 7 00:00:24,825 --> 00:00:26,191 I don't know if it's a demon or not, 8 00:00:26,193 --> 00:00:27,893 but it sure as hell looks like one. 9 00:00:29,397 --> 00:00:31,563 - Is she possessed? - Yeah. 10 00:00:31,565 --> 00:00:33,098 My God. 11 00:00:33,100 --> 00:00:35,868 These evil little things are in here. 12 00:00:37,037 --> 00:00:39,571 Panic, panic, panic. 13 00:00:39,573 --> 00:00:41,473 My name is Amy Allan. 14 00:00:41,475 --> 00:00:43,275 I'm seeing, like, blood. 15 00:00:43,277 --> 00:00:46,612 The house just feels bad. 16 00:00:46,614 --> 00:00:47,880 I see dead people. 17 00:00:47,882 --> 00:00:52,251 This man is completely insane. 18 00:00:52,253 --> 00:00:55,421 I speak to dead people... 19 00:00:55,423 --> 00:00:57,589 Whoo. Okay. She doesn't like it in there. 20 00:00:57,591 --> 00:00:59,591 ...and they speak to me. 21 00:00:59,593 --> 00:01:01,627 He likes to twist that knife. 22 00:01:01,629 --> 00:01:05,130 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 23 00:01:05,132 --> 00:01:08,767 Something paranormal is trying to kill them. 24 00:01:08,769 --> 00:01:10,368 I rely on my partner. 25 00:01:10,370 --> 00:01:11,870 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 26 00:01:11,872 --> 00:01:14,206 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 27 00:01:14,208 --> 00:01:15,908 Now does he die right there, on the spot? 28 00:01:15,910 --> 00:01:19,778 I know every person, every house has secrets. 29 00:01:19,780 --> 00:01:22,381 I think it's trying to steal my soul. 30 00:01:22,383 --> 00:01:24,249 It's my job to reveal them. 31 00:01:24,251 --> 00:01:26,552 You ever get touched like that again? 32 00:01:26,554 --> 00:01:28,454 But Steve and I never speak... 33 00:01:28,456 --> 00:01:30,522 We never communicate during an investigation. 34 00:01:30,524 --> 00:01:31,857 ...until the very end. 35 00:01:31,859 --> 00:01:34,092 I'm as stunned as you guys are. 36 00:01:34,094 --> 00:01:35,928 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 37 00:01:35,930 --> 00:01:38,597 I don't want anything to happen to my daughter. 38 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:40,032 Or time to get out. 39 00:01:40,034 --> 00:01:43,368 His goal is to kill you guys. 40 00:01:55,683 --> 00:01:57,148 I'm in Mahwah, New Jersey. 41 00:01:57,150 --> 00:02:00,385 It's a suburb about 45 minutes northwest of New York City. 42 00:02:00,387 --> 00:02:03,989 I got a call from a mother named Jen. Sounded really bad. 43 00:02:03,991 --> 00:02:05,357 She says something in her house 44 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:07,626 is attacking her and her four kids. 45 00:02:07,628 --> 00:02:09,027 And if Amy and I can't help, 46 00:02:09,029 --> 00:02:11,029 somebody's gonna get seriously hurt. 47 00:02:14,834 --> 00:02:16,969 Before Amy arrives, I sweep the house 48 00:02:16,971 --> 00:02:19,037 for any leading information. 49 00:02:20,374 --> 00:02:23,041 Family photographs and religious symbols 50 00:02:23,043 --> 00:02:24,843 can influence her findings, 51 00:02:24,845 --> 00:02:27,346 so it's important I cover or remove them all. 52 00:02:29,850 --> 00:02:31,383 When I'm done, 53 00:02:31,385 --> 00:02:34,052 the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 54 00:02:45,465 --> 00:02:47,966 This place is not good. 55 00:02:51,138 --> 00:02:54,139 I'm just getting feelings in here, like, emotions. 56 00:02:54,141 --> 00:02:57,709 Unsettled, nervous, worried, stress. 57 00:02:59,046 --> 00:03:01,079 Like, I'm hearing like, "Get away from me. 58 00:03:01,081 --> 00:03:02,747 Like, "get away, get away, get away." 59 00:03:02,749 --> 00:03:06,018 This is really bad. I wanna run away. I don't like this. 60 00:03:18,031 --> 00:03:19,230 Well, Jen, I'm glad I'm here, 61 00:03:19,232 --> 00:03:20,499 'cause when we spoke on the phone, 62 00:03:20,501 --> 00:03:22,267 you sounded pretty upset. The hell's going on here? 63 00:03:22,269 --> 00:03:24,236 I feel like I'm living in hell. 64 00:03:24,238 --> 00:03:26,638 The activity is aggressive in this house, 65 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:29,641 and it's going after me and my kids. 66 00:03:29,643 --> 00:03:32,777 Afraid, you know, something's gonna happen to one of us. 67 00:03:32,779 --> 00:03:35,380 And I can't do that as a mother. I need your help. 68 00:03:35,382 --> 00:03:37,516 Well, that's why I'm here, honey. I know. 69 00:03:38,852 --> 00:03:40,652 So, Jen, who exactly lives in the house? 70 00:03:40,654 --> 00:03:43,187 My husband Gary and my four kids. 71 00:03:43,189 --> 00:03:45,289 This is Joe. He's 15. 72 00:03:45,291 --> 00:03:48,193 These are my twins, Ryan and Michael. They're 13. 73 00:03:48,195 --> 00:03:49,461 Okay. 74 00:03:49,463 --> 00:03:51,263 And this is my daughter Samantha, and she's 6. 75 00:03:51,265 --> 00:03:53,398 Jen, do me a favor. Give me a -- gimme a list 76 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,100 of what you guys are experiencing here. 77 00:03:55,102 --> 00:03:58,070 Hearing disembodied voices. 78 00:03:58,072 --> 00:04:01,172 There's been a lot of shadow figures. 79 00:04:01,174 --> 00:04:04,109 Objects moving on their own. 80 00:04:04,111 --> 00:04:07,345 The health of the family is declining. 81 00:04:07,347 --> 00:04:09,948 We are being physically attacked. 82 00:04:09,950 --> 00:04:13,151 Okay. So now, Jen, is everybody being affected by this? 83 00:04:13,153 --> 00:04:15,820 Yeah, but Joseph is getting the brunt of it. 84 00:04:15,822 --> 00:04:18,156 - In what way? - He's lashing out. 85 00:04:18,158 --> 00:04:20,825 He's doing things that are not in character for him. 86 00:04:20,827 --> 00:04:23,161 It's not normal teenage stuff. 87 00:04:23,163 --> 00:04:24,896 Well, what do you think is here, honey? 88 00:04:24,898 --> 00:04:27,832 I believe there's some kind of hold or possession on him. 89 00:04:27,834 --> 00:04:29,234 What do you think it wants? 90 00:04:29,236 --> 00:04:30,736 I'm afraid it wants to kill him. 91 00:04:32,539 --> 00:04:34,840 You got a lot on your shoulders as a mom to begin with. 92 00:04:34,842 --> 00:04:36,574 How are dealing with all this other stuff? 93 00:04:36,576 --> 00:04:39,444 I have horrible anxiety. 94 00:04:39,446 --> 00:04:42,080 And I just can't protect my kids. 95 00:04:42,082 --> 00:04:43,715 Samantha's only 6. 96 00:04:45,051 --> 00:04:47,985 And she -- she's a baby still. 97 00:04:47,987 --> 00:04:49,254 I don't wanna live like this anymore. 98 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:54,192 I'm seeing a male out here. 99 00:04:54,194 --> 00:04:56,728 And this person is, like, confused 100 00:04:56,730 --> 00:04:59,731 and, like, scared, pacing or running. 101 00:05:04,405 --> 00:05:07,205 The dude from outside comes in here. 102 00:05:07,207 --> 00:05:09,074 And he's running and he's running. 103 00:05:10,477 --> 00:05:11,843 Boom, and then he's in here. 104 00:05:13,047 --> 00:05:15,280 Also, he makes the living feel anxious 105 00:05:15,282 --> 00:05:17,516 and it almost makes you wanna throw up. 106 00:05:17,518 --> 00:05:19,084 Just utter despair. 107 00:05:19,086 --> 00:05:22,353 And your stomach drops out and you wanna vomit. 108 00:05:22,355 --> 00:05:24,822 Definitely getting the chills with him. 109 00:05:24,824 --> 00:05:27,726 He affects electrical stuff. 110 00:05:27,728 --> 00:05:29,328 He has too much energy. 111 00:05:30,397 --> 00:05:32,029 How would the living perceive this? 112 00:05:32,031 --> 00:05:34,766 People do see a dark shadow moving by. 113 00:05:34,768 --> 00:05:37,703 He's just a shadow person down here. 114 00:05:45,612 --> 00:05:47,445 Okay, Jen, so what's going on in this room? 115 00:05:47,447 --> 00:05:50,515 Constantly, we see shadow figures 116 00:05:50,517 --> 00:05:52,484 coming down the stairs. 117 00:05:52,486 --> 00:05:55,387 I could be in bed and see them from my bedroom, too. 118 00:05:55,389 --> 00:05:58,390 So is this the only spot that you see the shadow figures? 119 00:05:58,392 --> 00:06:00,926 No, I see them all over the house. 120 00:06:00,928 --> 00:06:05,163 I see shadow figures outside behind the fence. 121 00:06:05,165 --> 00:06:07,332 This one is completely tall. 122 00:06:07,334 --> 00:06:09,734 It's like he has got, like, an overcoat on. 123 00:06:09,736 --> 00:06:12,537 I think that this guy is no good. 124 00:06:12,539 --> 00:06:15,207 Okay. Anything else strange happen? 125 00:06:15,209 --> 00:06:17,375 On top of the stairs, all the sudden, 126 00:06:17,377 --> 00:06:19,744 I felt a hand on my back and I got pushed, 127 00:06:19,746 --> 00:06:22,580 and, like, it was gonna, like, throw me down the stairs. 128 00:06:22,582 --> 00:06:24,750 So how hard did you get pushed? Just gimme an idea. 129 00:06:24,752 --> 00:06:26,417 I mean, like this. 130 00:06:26,419 --> 00:06:29,087 Okay, you're getting shoved, and you have a 6-year-old. 131 00:06:29,089 --> 00:06:30,822 Who's to say that can't happen to her? 132 00:06:30,824 --> 00:06:33,158 That's my concern. He wants to hurt us. 133 00:06:36,196 --> 00:06:39,164 This guy's energy is so bad. 134 00:06:39,166 --> 00:06:40,999 Like, I don't even wanna go down the stairs right now 135 00:06:41,001 --> 00:06:45,537 'cause little... a little loopy. 136 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,841 I'm not feeling very well right now. 137 00:06:49,843 --> 00:06:54,745 I think that dude from outside is making me feel sick. 138 00:06:54,747 --> 00:06:56,248 I feel drained. 139 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:58,550 I feel nauseous. 140 00:06:58,552 --> 00:07:00,118 I feel very dizzy. 141 00:07:01,855 --> 00:07:05,223 I would be worried about the living accidentally falling. 142 00:07:07,060 --> 00:07:10,061 He is doing things 143 00:07:10,063 --> 00:07:11,863 because he's angry. 144 00:07:11,865 --> 00:07:14,065 Any idea what kind of affect he might have on the living? 145 00:07:14,067 --> 00:07:15,934 I think that they would feel a drain. 146 00:07:15,936 --> 00:07:19,371 I think they would feel, like, sudden exhaustion. 147 00:07:19,373 --> 00:07:22,073 I think that they feel uncomfortable. 148 00:07:22,075 --> 00:07:24,209 I think, panicked. 149 00:07:31,752 --> 00:07:33,151 So what's going on in here? 150 00:07:33,153 --> 00:07:37,555 I think whatever is in this house is draining my energy. 151 00:07:37,557 --> 00:07:39,724 - Okay. - I can't sleep at night. 152 00:07:39,726 --> 00:07:41,726 And then I can't wake up in the morning. 153 00:07:41,728 --> 00:07:43,294 All right, anything else like that? 154 00:07:43,296 --> 00:07:46,131 My health is declining. I'm sore. 155 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:48,032 I get fevers on and off. 156 00:07:48,034 --> 00:07:51,303 Everything in my body, every muscle, everything. 157 00:07:51,305 --> 00:07:52,970 So what makes you think this is paranormal? 158 00:07:52,972 --> 00:07:54,706 Medically, they can't find anything wrong. 159 00:07:54,708 --> 00:07:55,907 All right, anything else? 160 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:58,676 There's mood changes, me and my husband. 161 00:07:58,678 --> 00:08:02,914 He seems to be more of a nasty, mad, 162 00:08:02,916 --> 00:08:06,651 taking out aggression and things like that. 163 00:08:06,653 --> 00:08:08,987 When I'm here, I'm not normal either. 164 00:08:08,989 --> 00:08:10,689 You know, we fight constantly. 165 00:08:10,691 --> 00:08:11,756 Well, I gotta be honest with you. 166 00:08:11,758 --> 00:08:12,991 I gotta play devil's advocate here. 167 00:08:12,993 --> 00:08:15,927 - I mean, couples fight. - It's not normal fights. 168 00:08:15,929 --> 00:08:17,128 We're like soul mates. 169 00:08:17,130 --> 00:08:19,130 We've been through a lot of things together. 170 00:08:19,132 --> 00:08:21,066 This should not break us up. 171 00:08:21,068 --> 00:08:22,767 I'm afraid to even ask. Anything else? 172 00:08:22,769 --> 00:08:25,403 I've been bruised in the middle of the night. 173 00:08:25,405 --> 00:08:27,939 I wake up with them. It just makes no sense. 174 00:08:27,941 --> 00:08:29,207 So what kinda bruises we talking about? 175 00:08:29,209 --> 00:08:31,209 Like three fingerprints? 176 00:08:31,211 --> 00:08:32,944 How do you know your husband's not rolling over 177 00:08:32,946 --> 00:08:34,212 and banging into you? 178 00:08:34,214 --> 00:08:37,249 Well, he sleeps like a rock, and there's no way. 179 00:08:42,355 --> 00:08:44,155 So I'm seeing this older woman, 180 00:08:44,157 --> 00:08:46,691 and she's, like, hurting living people. 181 00:08:48,295 --> 00:08:52,764 I'm seeing that older woman trying to strangle somebody. 182 00:08:56,202 --> 00:09:00,371 The living here are absolutely experiencing a lot of pain. 183 00:09:00,373 --> 00:09:03,908 She died from an infection or something. 184 00:09:03,910 --> 00:09:05,943 I don't know if somebody keeps getting, like, 185 00:09:05,945 --> 00:09:07,646 some kind of infections all the time. 186 00:09:09,583 --> 00:09:12,183 She's, like, cutting people. 187 00:09:12,185 --> 00:09:14,185 I see her putting on nails. 188 00:09:14,187 --> 00:09:16,655 And I see her touching a baby's belly, 189 00:09:16,657 --> 00:09:19,057 and that makes me nervous. 190 00:09:19,059 --> 00:09:21,326 Why is this woman doing this? 191 00:09:21,328 --> 00:09:22,761 She wants the living out of here 192 00:09:22,763 --> 00:09:26,731 because she feels they brought the evil in. 193 00:09:26,733 --> 00:09:29,266 "Get them out. Get them out." 194 00:09:46,136 --> 00:09:47,836 So, Gary, I was talking to your wife earlier, 195 00:09:47,838 --> 00:09:49,537 and she was saying that whatever's in this house 196 00:09:49,539 --> 00:09:50,905 is going after her and your kids. 197 00:09:50,907 --> 00:09:52,340 I mean, you agree with that? 198 00:09:52,342 --> 00:09:53,741 It definitely appears that way. 199 00:09:53,743 --> 00:09:56,144 She seems to have had every paranormal experience 200 00:09:56,146 --> 00:09:57,946 she can have under the sun. 201 00:09:57,948 --> 00:10:00,348 Now what about you? Have you had anything? 202 00:10:00,350 --> 00:10:02,083 Well, we have a lot of issues 203 00:10:02,085 --> 00:10:04,218 with our electronics and electrical systems. 204 00:10:04,220 --> 00:10:06,554 You know, lights turning on when there's nobody there. 205 00:10:06,556 --> 00:10:08,289 Televisions coming back on 206 00:10:08,291 --> 00:10:10,091 when there's no one there to turn them on. 207 00:10:10,093 --> 00:10:12,493 Then to have something just plugged in 208 00:10:12,495 --> 00:10:15,696 just to start smoking and burst into flames for no reason? 209 00:10:15,698 --> 00:10:16,965 I don't know how to explain that. 210 00:10:16,967 --> 00:10:18,566 Is there an issue with the electrical here or... 211 00:10:18,568 --> 00:10:20,168 No, all the electrical has been upgraded, 212 00:10:20,170 --> 00:10:22,470 from the panel right to the fixtures. 213 00:10:22,472 --> 00:10:24,305 Okay. Anything else? 214 00:10:24,307 --> 00:10:27,442 One night, I had a shadow figure come and hold me down in bed. 215 00:10:29,045 --> 00:10:30,512 And what'd you do? 216 00:10:30,514 --> 00:10:31,979 I was kinda, like, frozen, 217 00:10:31,981 --> 00:10:33,548 couldn't say anything, couldn't do anything 218 00:10:33,550 --> 00:10:36,184 and I just kinda laid there for a minute or so, 219 00:10:36,186 --> 00:10:39,854 and that I felt it just lift up the pressure off me 220 00:10:39,856 --> 00:10:42,757 and it left the room. - Wow. 221 00:10:42,759 --> 00:10:44,091 So now your wife also mentioned to me 222 00:10:44,093 --> 00:10:45,860 she sees a big change in your son Joseph. 223 00:10:45,862 --> 00:10:49,030 Yeah, he lashes out at my wife for no reason. 224 00:10:49,032 --> 00:10:53,268 He physically attacks my other children for no reason. 225 00:10:53,270 --> 00:10:54,869 Look, I know teenagers are jerks. 226 00:10:54,871 --> 00:10:57,305 - Couldn't it just be that? - No. 227 00:10:57,307 --> 00:10:58,940 I mean, he'll have, like, 228 00:10:58,942 --> 00:11:01,076 a glassy but crazy, you know, look in his eye, 229 00:11:01,078 --> 00:11:04,345 almost like it's not my son. 230 00:11:04,347 --> 00:11:06,614 He has, like, an evil smile. 231 00:11:06,616 --> 00:11:08,216 I hate to say my son was possessed, 232 00:11:08,218 --> 00:11:10,151 but, I mean, it almost gave me that impression. 233 00:11:10,153 --> 00:11:11,419 I mean, what do you think is here? 234 00:11:11,421 --> 00:11:15,123 I don't know if it's demonic, but I just want it gone. 235 00:11:19,896 --> 00:11:21,663 I'm feeling a paralysis thing. 236 00:11:23,734 --> 00:11:26,234 Somebody having that happen to them. 237 00:11:26,236 --> 00:11:28,570 Can't move, can't move. 238 00:11:28,572 --> 00:11:30,304 Boy. 239 00:11:30,306 --> 00:11:33,842 I'm seeing these small black shadow things. 240 00:11:33,844 --> 00:11:35,777 Do you have any idea yet what these things are? 241 00:11:35,779 --> 00:11:38,113 I think they're, like, some kind of demonic thing. 242 00:11:40,517 --> 00:11:43,184 These evil little things are in here. 243 00:11:43,186 --> 00:11:46,521 They are trying to take over 244 00:11:46,523 --> 00:11:50,658 because the evil is in them. 245 00:11:50,660 --> 00:11:53,495 What going on? 246 00:11:54,731 --> 00:11:57,131 Something just hurt me. 247 00:11:57,133 --> 00:11:59,000 Felt like I got jabbed. 248 00:12:07,077 --> 00:12:08,609 Joe, I was talking to your mom and dad, 249 00:12:08,611 --> 00:12:11,545 and they think that whatever's going on in this house 250 00:12:11,547 --> 00:12:13,081 is changing your personality. 251 00:12:13,083 --> 00:12:15,216 Yeah, I would agree with that. 252 00:12:15,218 --> 00:12:17,418 I get mad at everybody all the time, 253 00:12:17,420 --> 00:12:19,687 ridiculous little things that happen. 254 00:12:19,689 --> 00:12:21,790 When I'm out of the house, I feel like, you know, 255 00:12:21,792 --> 00:12:24,425 nothing bothers me. But when I'm in here, 256 00:12:24,427 --> 00:12:27,495 someone could just do something so insignificant, 257 00:12:27,497 --> 00:12:29,297 and I'd just lose it. 258 00:12:29,299 --> 00:12:31,365 All right, so what about experiences that you've had? 259 00:12:31,367 --> 00:12:34,035 For 15 years, I've seen shadow figures. 260 00:12:34,037 --> 00:12:35,136 What do they look like to you? 261 00:12:35,138 --> 00:12:38,306 Some have, like, oddly shaped heads, 262 00:12:38,308 --> 00:12:41,409 oddly shaped bodies, tentacle-like arms. 263 00:12:41,411 --> 00:12:44,579 That's a new one. Anything else going on with you? 264 00:12:44,581 --> 00:12:47,982 Well, I have these vivid nightmares constantly. 265 00:12:47,984 --> 00:12:49,717 Do me a favor and describe one for me. 266 00:12:49,719 --> 00:12:51,452 Sometimes I just wake up, 267 00:12:51,454 --> 00:12:52,854 and something's trying to get me. 268 00:12:52,856 --> 00:12:54,322 All right, so this thing that's trying to get you 269 00:12:54,324 --> 00:12:55,356 in your dream, what does it look like? 270 00:12:55,358 --> 00:12:56,591 Can you describe it? 271 00:12:56,593 --> 00:12:57,759 I don't know if it's a demon or not, 272 00:12:57,761 --> 00:13:00,461 but it sure as hell looks like one. 273 00:13:00,463 --> 00:13:01,662 Anything else? 274 00:13:01,664 --> 00:13:04,632 I've woken up with scratches and bruises 275 00:13:04,634 --> 00:13:06,334 on my back and my arms. 276 00:13:06,336 --> 00:13:09,204 Okay, so what are these scratches like? Are they... 277 00:13:09,206 --> 00:13:11,072 They're not deep, but they're very visible. 278 00:13:11,074 --> 00:13:12,807 Okay, you're the oldest. 279 00:13:12,809 --> 00:13:14,075 I mean, you got younger brothers and sisters. 280 00:13:14,077 --> 00:13:16,010 Yeah. You worried about your brothers? 281 00:13:16,012 --> 00:13:18,746 I am very worried about them, 282 00:13:18,748 --> 00:13:21,081 and I'm very concerned about my sister 283 00:13:21,083 --> 00:13:22,517 because of how young she is. 284 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:24,285 Um... 285 00:13:24,287 --> 00:13:27,856 Sorry. I don't wanna see her be affected in the future. 286 00:13:30,961 --> 00:13:34,529 Someone here might be getting influenced. 287 00:13:34,531 --> 00:13:37,031 These things wanna, like, take over. 288 00:13:37,033 --> 00:13:38,766 Like, it's not, like, influenced subtly. 289 00:13:38,768 --> 00:13:40,702 No, no, no, it's change. 290 00:13:40,704 --> 00:13:42,203 Like, change. 291 00:13:44,174 --> 00:13:46,073 What do you mean? 292 00:13:46,075 --> 00:13:48,509 I think a personality change. 293 00:13:48,511 --> 00:13:49,977 I think maybe the living are thinking, 294 00:13:49,979 --> 00:13:51,513 like, this is nightmares. 295 00:13:53,250 --> 00:13:55,483 Is it specifically the person in this room? 296 00:13:56,653 --> 00:13:57,919 So what do they want with this kid? 297 00:13:57,921 --> 00:14:01,456 They would like to take over the kid. 298 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,400 Samantha, how old are you? 299 00:14:12,402 --> 00:14:14,402 - Um, 6. -6. Okay. 300 00:14:14,404 --> 00:14:16,204 So I was talking to Mommy today, 301 00:14:16,206 --> 00:14:17,672 and she was telling me there's some scary things 302 00:14:17,674 --> 00:14:19,641 going on in this house. 303 00:14:19,643 --> 00:14:21,609 Can you tell me about anything that you've seen 304 00:14:21,611 --> 00:14:22,877 that might have scared you? 305 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:27,081 I saw, like, shadows and stuff around the house. 306 00:14:27,083 --> 00:14:28,882 Can you tell me what those shadow things 307 00:14:28,884 --> 00:14:30,351 looked like to you? 308 00:14:30,353 --> 00:14:33,687 Like, they're, like, um, on the wall. 309 00:14:33,689 --> 00:14:35,223 They're, like, all black. 310 00:14:35,225 --> 00:14:37,491 And then one of them, like, leaves. 311 00:14:37,493 --> 00:14:38,826 Like, they disappear. 312 00:14:38,828 --> 00:14:40,761 Okay, anything else scare you? 313 00:14:40,763 --> 00:14:42,597 I saw a ghost bear. 314 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,633 How big was he? 315 00:14:45,635 --> 00:14:49,069 He was, like, up to the table. 316 00:14:49,071 --> 00:14:51,472 So he's kinda big. 317 00:14:51,474 --> 00:14:54,642 I, like, heard steps and then saw a bear 318 00:14:54,644 --> 00:14:56,377 walking, like, tip-toeing, 319 00:14:56,379 --> 00:14:58,446 and then I ran back to my room. 320 00:14:58,448 --> 00:15:00,548 So you afraid to be here in the house? 321 00:15:01,585 --> 00:15:03,585 Okay. 322 00:15:07,457 --> 00:15:09,223 I don't like this. 323 00:15:09,225 --> 00:15:13,193 No, no. This is bad. 324 00:15:13,195 --> 00:15:17,064 I don't know why these, like, demon things are here, 325 00:15:17,066 --> 00:15:18,066 but they are. 326 00:15:20,970 --> 00:15:23,605 They're messing with the kid in this room, too. 327 00:15:23,607 --> 00:15:26,140 I think these evil things are hurting people. 328 00:15:26,142 --> 00:15:28,109 I feel like this kids are, like... 329 00:15:30,947 --> 00:15:32,213 not okay. 330 00:15:32,215 --> 00:15:34,415 - It's upsetting me. - Okay. 331 00:15:34,417 --> 00:15:36,584 I keep hearing, "Hurting the baby." 332 00:15:37,954 --> 00:15:40,020 They're being, like, taken over. 333 00:15:40,022 --> 00:15:42,624 The kid's, like, completely possessed. 334 00:15:56,572 --> 00:15:58,106 So whenever I get to town, 335 00:15:58,108 --> 00:16:00,441 the first call I make is to the local police chief. 336 00:16:00,443 --> 00:16:03,077 Turns out there was a horrible murder/suicide 337 00:16:03,079 --> 00:16:05,947 on Jen's property back in the 1930s. 338 00:16:05,949 --> 00:16:09,383 I'm heading over now to find out exactly what happened. 339 00:16:13,990 --> 00:16:15,923 So, Chief, thanks for meeting with me. 340 00:16:15,925 --> 00:16:19,293 I know my client's property is literally right here. 341 00:16:19,295 --> 00:16:22,296 And this pond area used to be part of the property, right? 342 00:16:22,298 --> 00:16:25,466 Back in the 1930s, this pond and the surrounding areas 343 00:16:25,468 --> 00:16:27,034 was part of a massive dairy farm. 344 00:16:27,036 --> 00:16:28,502 It was part of the estate. 345 00:16:28,504 --> 00:16:30,371 What can tell me about the victims in this case? 346 00:16:30,373 --> 00:16:32,239 Well, the first victim is Bertie Wells. 347 00:16:32,241 --> 00:16:33,474 She was a neighbor 348 00:16:33,476 --> 00:16:35,042 of the people that owned the property at the time. 349 00:16:35,044 --> 00:16:37,878 On October 5, 1937, she took her 3-year-old son John 350 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,180 for a walk around 6:00 at night. 351 00:16:40,182 --> 00:16:42,116 Several hours later, her husband Edgar comes home. 352 00:16:42,118 --> 00:16:43,584 He finds the house empty. 353 00:16:43,586 --> 00:16:46,587 He knows something's wrong, so he calls the police. 354 00:16:46,589 --> 00:16:48,422 They start a massive search of the area. 355 00:16:48,424 --> 00:16:50,358 Several hours into the search, they saw 356 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,493 the head of Bertie Wells bobbing in the water 357 00:16:52,495 --> 00:16:54,028 in the middle of the pond. 358 00:16:54,030 --> 00:16:58,566 When they retrieve her, they find the body of John, 359 00:16:58,568 --> 00:17:01,502 his icy arms still wrapped, frozen, 360 00:17:01,504 --> 00:17:02,837 in his mother's arms. 361 00:17:02,839 --> 00:17:05,373 Jeez. Now what was the official cause of death? 362 00:17:05,375 --> 00:17:07,942 These are the death certificates 363 00:17:07,944 --> 00:17:10,678 showing suffocation from drowning. 364 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,980 She was only 41. What a shame. 365 00:17:16,318 --> 00:17:18,219 I'm seeing this other woman. 366 00:17:18,221 --> 00:17:20,354 She might be in her 30s or 40s. 367 00:17:20,356 --> 00:17:22,557 It's a white female. She's face-down. 368 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:25,726 She's wearing a red dress and she has blonde hair. 369 00:17:25,728 --> 00:17:28,329 It looks like she doesn't have any bones. 370 00:17:28,331 --> 00:17:29,931 She's all liquid. 371 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,536 I think she died somewhere near the property. 372 00:17:35,538 --> 00:17:39,673 This felt recent to me -- the 1920s, the 1930s. 373 00:17:39,675 --> 00:17:43,277 I felt despair, and then I felt a broken heart and pain. 374 00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:45,780 And then I got "missing" and I got "lost." 375 00:17:45,782 --> 00:17:48,182 Like, that could be how she feels. 376 00:17:48,184 --> 00:17:52,286 She was a mother. Like, I keep seeing her over a baby. 377 00:17:52,288 --> 00:17:55,289 I'm hearing infant crying and dying. 378 00:17:55,291 --> 00:17:59,460 And the older woman says, "Not my fault." 379 00:18:01,831 --> 00:18:05,099 So far, I've got a family being attacked in their own home 380 00:18:05,101 --> 00:18:07,168 and a horribly murder/suicide that took place 381 00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:09,537 right on my client's original property. 382 00:18:09,539 --> 00:18:11,672 But I gotta see if there's anything else. 383 00:18:13,109 --> 00:18:14,442 Searching through old records, 384 00:18:14,444 --> 00:18:17,512 I find this Hungarian Count, who committed suicide 385 00:18:17,514 --> 00:18:20,714 right next door to Jen and Gary's house. 386 00:18:20,716 --> 00:18:24,318 So I got local historian looking into this strange case for me, 387 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,387 and she says the death was a combination 388 00:18:26,389 --> 00:18:28,656 of a lost fortune, mental illness, 389 00:18:28,658 --> 00:18:30,758 and lots of booze. 390 00:18:36,399 --> 00:18:38,866 Well, Amanda, thanks for helping me out with this case. 391 00:18:38,868 --> 00:18:40,501 This seems like a really crazy story. 392 00:18:40,503 --> 00:18:42,670 I mean, I've done over 140 of these cases, 393 00:18:42,672 --> 00:18:45,138 and I've never come across European royalty. 394 00:18:45,140 --> 00:18:46,340 It is crazy. 395 00:18:46,342 --> 00:18:48,275 So what can you tell me about this Count? 396 00:18:48,277 --> 00:18:50,644 The Count's name was Rudolf Palffy. 397 00:18:50,646 --> 00:18:52,680 And the Palffy family was quite wealthy 398 00:18:52,682 --> 00:18:54,415 in the 1800s back in Hungary. 399 00:18:54,417 --> 00:18:55,817 Okay. 400 00:18:55,819 --> 00:18:59,687 In 1873, Rudolf's father declared financial ruin. 401 00:18:59,689 --> 00:19:01,755 Well, he's in despair from losing all his money, 402 00:19:01,757 --> 00:19:04,625 and he takes a gun and shoots himself. 403 00:19:04,627 --> 00:19:08,696 Really? Okay, so Rudolf's dad is dead now. What does he do? 404 00:19:08,698 --> 00:19:11,498 Well, Rudolf goes to France to live with his brother Arthur, 405 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:14,168 thinking that Arthur may still have some money 406 00:19:14,170 --> 00:19:16,837 and they can continue to live a lavish lifestyle in France. 407 00:19:16,839 --> 00:19:18,105 But he arrives and discovers that 408 00:19:18,107 --> 00:19:20,174 Arthur actually doesn't have any money. 409 00:19:20,176 --> 00:19:23,711 And in 1889, Arthur follows in his father's footsteps, 410 00:19:23,713 --> 00:19:26,380 and takes a pistol and shoots and kills himself. 411 00:19:26,382 --> 00:19:28,882 That's crazy. Okay, so what happens next? 412 00:19:28,884 --> 00:19:32,052 Rudolf ends up marrying his late brother's girlfriend, 413 00:19:32,054 --> 00:19:34,889 Rosalia Zimmerman... - Okay. 414 00:19:34,891 --> 00:19:36,424 ...who is a commoner from Switzerland. 415 00:19:36,426 --> 00:19:40,060 And the family in Hungary does not like this at all. 416 00:19:40,062 --> 00:19:41,195 Any idea why? 417 00:19:41,197 --> 00:19:42,797 Well, he was Catholic from Hungary. 418 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:44,799 And with her last name being Zimmerman, 419 00:19:44,801 --> 00:19:46,533 she was likely Jewish. 420 00:19:46,535 --> 00:19:48,636 So there probably were religious issues 421 00:19:48,638 --> 00:19:50,671 that caused them to have more conflict. 422 00:19:50,673 --> 00:19:54,008 How does this kid end up in Mahwah for all places? 423 00:19:54,010 --> 00:19:55,710 He decides to come to America 424 00:19:55,712 --> 00:19:57,812 and see if he can get a fresh start. 425 00:19:57,814 --> 00:19:59,813 Okay, so when does he wind up getting here? 426 00:19:59,815 --> 00:20:02,817 1891. He takes up residency with his wife in a small cottage 427 00:20:02,819 --> 00:20:05,152 that's not far from your client's property. 428 00:20:05,154 --> 00:20:07,120 He had $5,000 when he arrived, 429 00:20:07,122 --> 00:20:09,757 which is about $140,000 in today's dollars. 430 00:20:09,759 --> 00:20:12,660 Wow. But blasts through all of that in a year. 431 00:20:12,662 --> 00:20:14,762 Okay, so I know this guy eventually kills himself. 432 00:20:14,764 --> 00:20:16,296 How does he do it? 433 00:20:16,298 --> 00:20:19,433 Well, in 1893, according to these newspaper articles, 434 00:20:19,435 --> 00:20:22,436 he's out drinking with the locals in Mahwah, 435 00:20:22,438 --> 00:20:26,741 and he comes home and gets in a huge argument with his wife. 436 00:20:26,743 --> 00:20:30,311 Then he gives her a kiss, says, "I love you dearly, 437 00:20:30,313 --> 00:20:32,379 but Switzerland cannot rule Hungary." 438 00:20:32,381 --> 00:20:35,449 Then he turns and grabs his pistol, 439 00:20:35,451 --> 00:20:38,319 puts it to his head and shoots and kills himself. 440 00:20:38,321 --> 00:20:40,688 - Okay. - He's about 32 years of age. 441 00:20:43,526 --> 00:20:46,527 I'm seeing that crazy guy running around again. 442 00:20:46,529 --> 00:20:48,395 Can you describe him? 443 00:20:48,397 --> 00:20:50,731 I wouldn't put him older than 30. 444 00:20:50,733 --> 00:20:52,300 I think he was mentally ill. 445 00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:57,238 He's got soot or burns on his face. 446 00:20:59,008 --> 00:21:00,774 I keep hearing, "I gotta get outta here. 447 00:21:00,776 --> 00:21:01,909 Gotta get outta here." 448 00:21:05,181 --> 00:21:07,180 He felt trapped. 449 00:21:07,182 --> 00:21:09,683 Just overwhelmed. 450 00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:13,921 He feels confused. He feels like it's too much. 451 00:21:13,923 --> 00:21:17,658 Okay, so this guy's father and his brother commit suicide. 452 00:21:17,660 --> 00:21:20,627 He winds up coming here, right near my client's property, 453 00:21:20,629 --> 00:21:22,830 has money issues, and kills himself as well? 454 00:21:22,832 --> 00:21:24,231 Yes. 455 00:21:24,233 --> 00:21:25,700 What happens with the wife after he kills himself? 456 00:21:25,702 --> 00:21:28,035 She's distraught. She's left penniless. 457 00:21:28,037 --> 00:21:32,372 She ends up with nothing. It's definitely a tragic story. 458 00:21:35,144 --> 00:21:37,712 I'm getting a connection between the crazy guy 459 00:21:37,714 --> 00:21:39,780 and the nasty old woman. 460 00:21:39,782 --> 00:21:42,249 There's something with them, friction. 461 00:21:42,251 --> 00:21:44,718 He's afraid of her. 462 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,188 Why are you afraid? 463 00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:48,455 Do you get anything else 464 00:21:48,457 --> 00:21:50,924 on who she was when she was alive? 465 00:21:50,926 --> 00:21:54,061 She's extremely religious. 466 00:21:54,063 --> 00:21:56,263 A lot of, like, praying. 467 00:21:59,035 --> 00:22:02,203 I saw her living in a very nice place. 468 00:22:02,205 --> 00:22:04,205 She's from another country. 469 00:22:04,207 --> 00:22:07,408 She said that it took a long time to get here. 470 00:22:07,410 --> 00:22:11,078 Then it was bad because her husband died. 471 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,115 Her husband died horrible. 472 00:22:15,250 --> 00:22:16,750 Young, young. 473 00:22:16,752 --> 00:22:20,287 She lost all her money somehow and now she's mad. 474 00:22:28,564 --> 00:22:30,764 For more information about the show, 475 00:22:30,766 --> 00:22:32,299 and if you need us to investigate 476 00:22:32,301 --> 00:22:34,235 unexplained activity in your home... 477 00:22:34,237 --> 00:22:37,705 Please visit TravelChannel.com/TheDeadFiles. 478 00:22:37,707 --> 00:22:39,639 Click on "Help Me, Dead Files!" to submit your story, 479 00:22:39,641 --> 00:22:40,908 and we'll help if we can. 480 00:22:48,450 --> 00:22:50,651 I've already got multiple suicides 481 00:22:50,653 --> 00:22:52,519 and a murder on Jen's property. 482 00:22:52,521 --> 00:22:54,488 But something else caught my eye in research. 483 00:22:54,490 --> 00:22:56,156 A mom killed four of her kids 484 00:22:56,158 --> 00:22:57,958 just down the street from Jen's house. 485 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,393 I'm going to meet the local sheriff, 486 00:22:59,395 --> 00:23:02,196 who says it was one of the worst crimes in Mahwah's history. 487 00:23:12,007 --> 00:23:13,207 So, Sheriff, you mentioned on the phone 488 00:23:13,209 --> 00:23:14,674 that there was this quadruple homicide 489 00:23:14,676 --> 00:23:16,410 that happened right near my client's property. 490 00:23:16,412 --> 00:23:19,280 It involved a couple that lived in Mahwah. 491 00:23:19,282 --> 00:23:22,282 Kenneth McDonald, he was 32 years old. 492 00:23:22,284 --> 00:23:24,351 And his wife, Carol McDonald, she was 29. 493 00:23:24,353 --> 00:23:27,688 She was a stay-at-home mom, caring for their four children. 494 00:23:27,690 --> 00:23:30,591 There came a point, early in 1953, 495 00:23:30,593 --> 00:23:33,761 where Kenneth found out that Carol was cheating on him. 496 00:23:33,763 --> 00:23:36,830 He was devastated, furious, and at one point 497 00:23:36,832 --> 00:23:39,633 left the household and filed for divorce. 498 00:23:39,635 --> 00:23:41,969 - Okay. - When she decides she wants 499 00:23:41,971 --> 00:23:43,503 to retaliate against the husband. 500 00:23:43,505 --> 00:23:45,172 Okay, so what'd she wind up doing? 501 00:23:45,174 --> 00:23:47,708 So on May 3, 1953, 502 00:23:47,710 --> 00:23:50,044 she wakes up her four children, 503 00:23:50,046 --> 00:23:51,712 little after midnight. 504 00:23:51,714 --> 00:23:54,381 These children ranged from age 2 to 7, 505 00:23:54,383 --> 00:23:55,849 two boys and two girls. 506 00:23:55,851 --> 00:23:59,520 She walked them out into the garage to the family car, 507 00:23:59,522 --> 00:24:01,488 put them in the car, turned on the engine, 508 00:24:01,490 --> 00:24:03,123 and then she came back inside. 509 00:24:03,125 --> 00:24:04,325 All right, so let me get this straight. 510 00:24:04,327 --> 00:24:05,792 She leaves the four kids in the car, 511 00:24:05,794 --> 00:24:07,427 and then walks back into the house. 512 00:24:07,429 --> 00:24:09,429 Yes. She went in the house 513 00:24:09,431 --> 00:24:12,165 and wrote six separate suicide letters. 514 00:24:12,167 --> 00:24:13,600 As she's taking two hours to write 515 00:24:13,602 --> 00:24:16,202 these six individual suicide letters, 516 00:24:16,204 --> 00:24:18,038 these poor four children are in that car, 517 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,873 getting asphyxiated. 518 00:24:19,875 --> 00:24:21,742 There came a point where she realized, 519 00:24:21,744 --> 00:24:23,410 maybe this isn't the right thing to do. 520 00:24:23,412 --> 00:24:25,713 She went back into the garage, but, of course, it was too late. 521 00:24:25,715 --> 00:24:26,981 The four children were dead. 522 00:24:26,983 --> 00:24:28,748 That's actually an article I found 523 00:24:28,750 --> 00:24:30,084 on the whole story there. 524 00:24:31,621 --> 00:24:34,788 Cops respond to the house, they arrest her. 525 00:24:34,790 --> 00:24:37,758 She's subsequently charged with four counts of murder. 526 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,293 Here's a picture of her being arrested 527 00:24:39,295 --> 00:24:41,462 in the police car with the detective. 528 00:24:42,899 --> 00:24:44,397 Look at that. 529 00:24:44,399 --> 00:24:46,366 After her arrest, she was transported right to this jail, 530 00:24:46,368 --> 00:24:47,434 right where we're standing. 531 00:24:47,436 --> 00:24:49,202 She tried to commit suicide. 532 00:24:49,204 --> 00:24:50,770 So I assume they got a conviction. 533 00:24:50,772 --> 00:24:53,173 The saddest part of this whole story 534 00:24:53,175 --> 00:24:55,576 is that she was deemed to be insane 535 00:24:55,578 --> 00:24:56,977 and never stood trial. 536 00:24:56,979 --> 00:24:59,913 She was sent to a state psychiatric hospital 537 00:24:59,915 --> 00:25:02,316 where, after three years, she was released 538 00:25:02,318 --> 00:25:04,051 and never had to pay for this crime. 539 00:25:04,053 --> 00:25:07,020 - Are you kidding me? - Wish I was. 540 00:25:12,662 --> 00:25:14,661 Something's happening here. 541 00:25:14,663 --> 00:25:17,598 I'm getting, like, a fight between two people. 542 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,000 There's two people fighting in this area. 543 00:25:22,338 --> 00:25:24,938 One is definitely a male. 544 00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:26,206 Fighting, fighting. 545 00:25:26,208 --> 00:25:28,875 It's not good. 546 00:25:28,877 --> 00:25:31,378 I don't like it. 547 00:25:31,380 --> 00:25:33,614 I think, like, something dies. 548 00:25:36,752 --> 00:25:39,886 This is not a good situation. 549 00:25:39,888 --> 00:25:42,623 I'm being shown a bunch of kids. 550 00:25:42,625 --> 00:25:45,392 Something about an attack 551 00:25:45,394 --> 00:25:47,027 at night. 552 00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:48,362 It happened inside. 553 00:25:48,364 --> 00:25:50,296 I see absolute horror, 554 00:25:50,298 --> 00:25:52,266 over and over again. 555 00:25:59,241 --> 00:26:01,375 I saw many disturbing things on my walk, 556 00:26:01,377 --> 00:26:03,143 but two stood out. 557 00:26:03,145 --> 00:26:07,014 First, the old woman attacking a living child. 558 00:26:07,016 --> 00:26:09,349 She is behind the bed 559 00:26:09,351 --> 00:26:12,853 with her hands on this child's, like, chest/neck area. 560 00:26:12,855 --> 00:26:16,990 He was, um, being choked. 561 00:26:16,992 --> 00:26:20,193 She had a very unusual face. 562 00:26:20,195 --> 00:26:22,262 She had very dark eyes. 563 00:26:22,264 --> 00:26:24,864 Next, I described the black shadow things 564 00:26:24,866 --> 00:26:28,201 trying to possess a child in the upstairs bedroom. 565 00:26:28,203 --> 00:26:31,405 There were about three or four of them 566 00:26:31,407 --> 00:26:32,939 surrounding the bed, 567 00:26:32,941 --> 00:26:37,278 trying to, like, take over the child's body. 568 00:26:44,686 --> 00:26:46,687 Amy, is this what you saw? 569 00:26:46,689 --> 00:26:48,889 Yes. 570 00:27:07,659 --> 00:27:10,527 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 571 00:27:10,529 --> 00:27:12,596 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 572 00:27:12,598 --> 00:27:16,066 and our clients for the first time. 573 00:27:16,068 --> 00:27:18,335 Amy this is Jen and her husband Gary. 574 00:27:18,337 --> 00:27:22,005 They live here with their four very sweet kids. 575 00:27:22,007 --> 00:27:23,607 This is Joseph, who's 15. 576 00:27:23,609 --> 00:27:26,342 This is Ryan and Michael, who are 13-year-old twins, 577 00:27:26,344 --> 00:27:28,545 and Samantha, who's 6. 578 00:27:28,547 --> 00:27:31,415 Now we're sitting here, so obviously the activity's bad, 579 00:27:31,417 --> 00:27:33,350 but these two say it's so bad, 580 00:27:33,352 --> 00:27:35,752 they don't think it's safe for anybody to be in this house, 581 00:27:35,754 --> 00:27:37,888 especially Joe. 582 00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:40,157 So now that Amy knows who you guys are, 583 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,025 I'm going to ask her to describe her walk for us. 584 00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,164 So when I first got here, 585 00:27:47,166 --> 00:27:50,600 I saw a deceased female 586 00:27:50,602 --> 00:27:53,437 who was laying face-down. 587 00:27:53,439 --> 00:27:56,473 I got that she was in her 30s or her 40s. 588 00:27:56,475 --> 00:27:58,542 She did look a little odd. 589 00:27:58,544 --> 00:28:01,578 To me, it looked like almost, like, a pool of her 590 00:28:01,580 --> 00:28:05,482 because it didn't seem like she had any bones. 591 00:28:05,484 --> 00:28:08,652 A lot of pain and despair. 592 00:28:08,654 --> 00:28:10,487 Something about her being a mother 593 00:28:10,489 --> 00:28:12,789 but she didn't have her kids, and then somebody 594 00:28:12,791 --> 00:28:16,192 was talking about someone being lost or missing 595 00:28:16,194 --> 00:28:20,163 so that she had a broken heart, and I think it's possible 596 00:28:20,165 --> 00:28:22,399 she died somewhere on the property. 597 00:28:22,401 --> 00:28:24,701 I know you didn't get a lot, but what you did get 598 00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:26,737 reminds me of a woman I came across in research. 599 00:28:26,739 --> 00:28:29,206 Now back in the 1930s, this property was part 600 00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:30,640 of a 500-acre dairy farm. 601 00:28:30,642 --> 00:28:32,342 Now a woman named Bertie Wells lived on 602 00:28:32,344 --> 00:28:33,944 the property next door to that farm 603 00:28:33,946 --> 00:28:35,112 with her husband and two sons. 604 00:28:35,114 --> 00:28:38,615 So now on the evening of October 5, 1937, 605 00:28:38,617 --> 00:28:40,350 Bertie took her 3-year-old kid, John, 606 00:28:40,352 --> 00:28:41,785 for a walk right to that pond 607 00:28:41,787 --> 00:28:43,320 that's only around the block here. 608 00:28:43,322 --> 00:28:45,221 She went missing. 609 00:28:45,223 --> 00:28:47,758 Now the cops wind up doing a town-wide search 610 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,093 for Bertie and the kid. 611 00:28:49,095 --> 00:28:50,360 Within a few hours, 612 00:28:50,362 --> 00:28:51,962 they found both their bodies in the pond. 613 00:28:53,499 --> 00:28:54,965 From what the cops could gather, 614 00:28:54,967 --> 00:28:57,701 Bertie had walked into the pond with the boy in her arms, 615 00:28:57,703 --> 00:28:59,937 and drowned them both. 616 00:28:59,939 --> 00:29:03,073 And I got their death certificates here. 617 00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:04,641 Now the only motive for this suicide 618 00:29:04,643 --> 00:29:06,443 was that Bertie had been depressed for months 619 00:29:06,445 --> 00:29:07,778 over her declining health. 620 00:29:07,780 --> 00:29:09,312 So I'm just curious if you think Bertie Wells 621 00:29:09,314 --> 00:29:10,914 could be the woman you might have seen? 622 00:29:10,916 --> 00:29:12,716 Yeah, that's a big possibility. 623 00:29:16,655 --> 00:29:19,756 The next person that I ran into was a male, 624 00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:21,992 and I first encountered him outside, 625 00:29:21,994 --> 00:29:24,794 and he was running around like a frickin' maniac. 626 00:29:24,796 --> 00:29:27,698 He's extremely confused and scared. 627 00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:31,401 He doesn't get that he's deceased, 628 00:29:31,403 --> 00:29:32,870 which is a big problem. 629 00:29:34,406 --> 00:29:38,675 I think that the living here would maybe see him 630 00:29:38,677 --> 00:29:41,077 running outside in the yard. 631 00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:43,880 The way that I saw him was very much as a shadow person, 632 00:29:43,882 --> 00:29:45,215 as a shadow figure. 633 00:29:45,217 --> 00:29:47,884 - Wow. - I see him in the back. 634 00:29:47,886 --> 00:29:50,653 He just stands there and watches you. 635 00:29:50,655 --> 00:29:51,921 Yeah. 636 00:29:51,923 --> 00:29:54,224 He, like, does not stop moving 637 00:29:54,226 --> 00:29:55,959 And he, because of that, 638 00:29:55,961 --> 00:29:59,096 can affect, like, the electricity in the house 639 00:29:59,098 --> 00:30:02,365 or, like, TVs and stuff like that, you know? 640 00:30:02,367 --> 00:30:04,434 Gary, tell her what's going on with the electric. 641 00:30:04,436 --> 00:30:06,036 We leave the house, everything was off. 642 00:30:06,038 --> 00:30:08,238 We'd come home, the lights in the attic are on, 643 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,508 there's TVs on, radios on. I mean, you name it. 644 00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:13,443 Wow. Okay. 645 00:30:13,445 --> 00:30:15,679 You might, when you're around him, 646 00:30:15,681 --> 00:30:18,515 feel a lot of emotional swings. 647 00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:23,553 It's just a constant struggle for me to be -- 648 00:30:23,555 --> 00:30:25,388 just to be happy with anything. 649 00:30:25,390 --> 00:30:27,657 You know, it's changing my personality. 650 00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:30,928 I can leave work in a great mood and I'll walk into the house, 651 00:30:30,930 --> 00:30:33,730 and all of a sudden, I'm just angry at everybody. 652 00:30:33,732 --> 00:30:35,332 He can make you feel anxious 653 00:30:35,334 --> 00:30:37,934 and dizzy and nauseous and drained. 654 00:30:37,936 --> 00:30:40,537 My energy is gone. 655 00:30:40,539 --> 00:30:43,673 I can sleep all day and still feel like I haven't slept. 656 00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:45,008 It's terrible. 657 00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:46,210 She talked about something else that we didn't hit on, 658 00:30:46,212 --> 00:30:48,145 was the anxiety, being anxious. 659 00:30:48,147 --> 00:30:50,480 The anxiety, the panic attacks, 660 00:30:50,482 --> 00:30:53,083 as each month goes by, it gets worse and worse. 661 00:30:53,085 --> 00:30:54,517 They tried putting me on meds for it. 662 00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,620 Nothing works. 663 00:30:56,622 --> 00:30:57,954 Now all that stuff they talked about 664 00:30:57,956 --> 00:30:59,422 sounds like it could be this guy. 665 00:30:59,424 --> 00:31:02,125 Yes, that's that guy. 666 00:31:02,127 --> 00:31:05,229 Get any idea who this guy might have been when he was alive? 667 00:31:05,231 --> 00:31:07,163 Due to the fact that he wouldn't stop moving, 668 00:31:07,165 --> 00:31:10,133 I could not really see him very well, 669 00:31:10,135 --> 00:31:12,902 but I'm thinking about 30 years of age. 670 00:31:12,904 --> 00:31:16,039 But mentally, he absolutely seemed like 671 00:31:16,041 --> 00:31:19,509 he was functioning at a much younger level. 672 00:31:19,511 --> 00:31:23,480 I think that he might have had some mental illness as well. 673 00:31:23,482 --> 00:31:25,748 Definitely was not in a good place when he died. 674 00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:29,252 Also, there's a deceased female who's here, 675 00:31:29,254 --> 00:31:31,321 and there's some kind of strange connection 676 00:31:31,323 --> 00:31:34,825 between them, and I'm not sure what. 677 00:31:34,827 --> 00:31:37,327 Well, you know, I got a pretty good idea 678 00:31:37,329 --> 00:31:39,596 of who this guy might have been, 679 00:31:39,598 --> 00:31:41,197 but I want to wait until you tell us 680 00:31:41,199 --> 00:31:43,133 about the woman you said he was connected to. 681 00:31:43,135 --> 00:31:47,203 So she's the most dominant dead person here. 682 00:31:47,205 --> 00:31:49,405 Got that she was in her 40s or 50s. 683 00:31:49,407 --> 00:31:51,941 I got that she was from another country, 684 00:31:51,943 --> 00:31:53,477 but I'm not sure where. 685 00:31:53,479 --> 00:31:56,579 She's extremely religious person. 686 00:31:56,581 --> 00:31:58,215 Extremely. 687 00:31:58,217 --> 00:32:00,484 Got that she was married, 688 00:32:00,486 --> 00:32:02,819 ended up losing all her money somehow. 689 00:32:02,821 --> 00:32:05,422 And then it got worse for her 690 00:32:05,424 --> 00:32:07,691 because then her husband died, 691 00:32:07,693 --> 00:32:10,394 and apparently, it was a horrible death. 692 00:32:10,396 --> 00:32:15,098 After he died, that was it. Boom. Everything went to... 693 00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:16,900 Now I know who you're talking about. 694 00:32:16,902 --> 00:32:19,770 So in the 1890s, there was a European couple 695 00:32:19,772 --> 00:32:21,971 that lived in a cottage right next to this property. 696 00:32:21,973 --> 00:32:25,375 Now this guy was part of the Hungarian royal family. 697 00:32:25,377 --> 00:32:26,877 His name was Rudolf Palffy. 698 00:32:26,879 --> 00:32:28,679 Now the expert I talked to told me 699 00:32:28,681 --> 00:32:30,714 that Rudolf and his brother were pretty immature. 700 00:32:30,716 --> 00:32:33,649 They basically partied and spent the father's fortune. 701 00:32:33,651 --> 00:32:35,985 The father went bankrupt in 1873. 702 00:32:35,987 --> 00:32:38,121 Now the father was so ashamed by what happened, 703 00:32:38,123 --> 00:32:40,924 he shot and killed himself a few years later. 704 00:32:40,926 --> 00:32:43,860 Rudolf then went to go live with his brother, Arthur, 705 00:32:43,862 --> 00:32:46,430 hoping to, you know, get money off of him, 706 00:32:46,432 --> 00:32:47,931 but he was living in France. 707 00:32:47,933 --> 00:32:50,734 Arthur winds up shooting himself in the head in 1889 708 00:32:50,736 --> 00:32:51,902 and killing himself. 709 00:32:54,072 --> 00:32:56,406 After Arthur's suicide, Rudolf married 710 00:32:56,408 --> 00:32:59,176 his dead brother's girlfriend, Rosalia Zimmerman. 711 00:32:59,178 --> 00:33:01,277 Rudolf's family was pissed about the marriage 712 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:02,545 for a couple of reasons. 713 00:33:02,547 --> 00:33:04,147 First, he was royalty, and she wasn't. 714 00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:06,015 So the other issue they had with the marriage 715 00:33:06,017 --> 00:33:09,186 was that family was Catholic, and she was Jewish. 716 00:33:09,188 --> 00:33:11,355 The expert I talked to said they wanted a fresh start 717 00:33:11,357 --> 00:33:13,290 and they came to America from France. 718 00:33:13,292 --> 00:33:14,724 When they did come here, though, 719 00:33:14,726 --> 00:33:17,728 he had the equivalent of what would have been $140,000, 720 00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:20,263 and he went through it within a year. 721 00:33:20,265 --> 00:33:22,966 In 1893, Rudolf goes out drinking 722 00:33:22,968 --> 00:33:24,700 with some of the locals in town. 723 00:33:24,702 --> 00:33:27,170 When he gets home, him and Rosalia got into a huge fight. 724 00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:29,573 The two were arguing when he stopped, he said, 725 00:33:29,575 --> 00:33:30,707 "I love you dearly, 726 00:33:30,709 --> 00:33:32,642 but Switzerland cannot rule Hungary," 727 00:33:32,644 --> 00:33:35,412 pulls out a pistol and blows his brains out. 728 00:33:37,383 --> 00:33:39,216 And he did it right in front of her. 729 00:33:40,386 --> 00:33:42,185 Now you said he was about 30? 730 00:33:42,187 --> 00:33:44,487 He was 32 when he died. 731 00:33:44,489 --> 00:33:46,156 So do you think this is who you saw? 732 00:33:46,158 --> 00:33:47,524 Yes. 733 00:33:47,526 --> 00:33:50,860 Now you said the dead woman, his wife, was dominant. 734 00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:53,263 Yeah. She's just bad news. 735 00:33:53,265 --> 00:33:56,933 She's extremely protective of this house and the land. 736 00:33:58,137 --> 00:34:00,269 She's extremely angry at the living here, 737 00:34:00,271 --> 00:34:02,138 and one of the things I saw her doing 738 00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:05,608 was sharpening her fingernails and scratching living people. 739 00:34:05,610 --> 00:34:09,345 Jen, the scratches, you and Joseph. 740 00:34:09,347 --> 00:34:13,283 Scratches, bruises, both me and the 15-year-old. 741 00:34:13,285 --> 00:34:15,152 They seem to come up in the middle of the night 742 00:34:15,154 --> 00:34:18,221 or just show up out of nowhere. - Interesting. 743 00:34:18,223 --> 00:34:20,190 The other thing was that she had died from 744 00:34:20,192 --> 00:34:22,725 some kind of infections, and now when 745 00:34:22,727 --> 00:34:26,396 she's around living people, she can make you feel like that. 746 00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:28,331 And I was concerned about people here 747 00:34:28,333 --> 00:34:31,234 developing random illnesses. 748 00:34:31,236 --> 00:34:34,170 They say I have, like, reversed immune system, 749 00:34:34,172 --> 00:34:35,839 and they gave me antibiotics. 750 00:34:35,841 --> 00:34:37,941 I have to take, like, three, four rounds of it 751 00:34:37,943 --> 00:34:40,843 before anything works. - Every time she gets a cold, 752 00:34:40,845 --> 00:34:43,180 it almost always turns into pneumonia. 753 00:34:43,182 --> 00:34:45,548 Now could all of this be this woman? 754 00:34:45,550 --> 00:34:47,583 Yes. 755 00:34:47,585 --> 00:34:50,921 I saw her in the blue bedroom upstairs. 756 00:34:50,923 --> 00:34:52,756 That's Joseph's room, right? 757 00:34:52,758 --> 00:34:54,324 I did have a sketch done. 758 00:35:00,999 --> 00:35:02,265 Ooh. 759 00:35:08,606 --> 00:35:10,340 Okay. 760 00:35:19,218 --> 00:35:21,384 Believe me now? 761 00:35:21,386 --> 00:35:22,785 What is she doing to him? 762 00:35:22,787 --> 00:35:24,855 Strangling him. 763 00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:29,159 - I know it's tough to look at. - Yeah, I-I can't. 764 00:35:29,161 --> 00:35:30,493 Here, we'll just turn it over. 765 00:35:35,434 --> 00:35:36,900 I hate to even ask what else. 766 00:35:36,902 --> 00:35:41,171 There's something here that has me much more concerned. 767 00:35:41,173 --> 00:35:42,973 - More than this? - Yeah. 768 00:35:42,975 --> 00:35:46,375 There were these entities that I saw during my walk. 769 00:35:46,377 --> 00:35:49,112 They looked like small shadow figures 770 00:35:49,114 --> 00:35:52,048 or small -- They almost looked like ghosts. 771 00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:53,884 Like if somebody had a child, 772 00:35:53,886 --> 00:35:57,386 dropped a black sheet on the child... 773 00:35:57,388 --> 00:35:59,523 I've seen them everywhere around, through the house. 774 00:35:59,525 --> 00:36:01,390 Little kid with like, you know, 775 00:36:01,392 --> 00:36:04,427 just like you're putting, like, a blanket over him. 776 00:36:05,931 --> 00:36:07,597 They do make people sick. 777 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,999 When I came into contact with them upstairs 778 00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:12,602 in the blue room, I felt like the person, 779 00:36:12,604 --> 00:36:14,070 the living person in there, 780 00:36:14,072 --> 00:36:17,140 would have bouts of severe nausea 781 00:36:17,142 --> 00:36:18,874 if not vomiting. 782 00:36:18,876 --> 00:36:22,111 So have you guys noticed anything like that with Joe? 783 00:36:22,113 --> 00:36:24,847 Yes, he comes downstairs and he's like, 784 00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:26,082 "Can I get an container or something? 785 00:36:26,084 --> 00:36:27,383 I feel like I'm gonna throw up." 786 00:36:27,385 --> 00:36:30,153 Okay, living people here would believe 787 00:36:30,155 --> 00:36:31,888 that they're having nightmares, 788 00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:35,958 but it would be due to these things influencing them. 789 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,927 When I talk to Joe, he told me he has 790 00:36:37,929 --> 00:36:40,096 constant nightmares about a demon attacking him. 791 00:36:40,098 --> 00:36:42,498 He's had these nightmares for as long as he can remember. 792 00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:45,101 These things also manipulate the living 793 00:36:45,103 --> 00:36:46,302 when they're awake. 794 00:36:46,304 --> 00:36:49,506 I saw this little child, and his personality 795 00:36:49,508 --> 00:36:52,842 completely changes, and it just gave me chills 796 00:36:52,844 --> 00:36:54,945 seeing this vision because it was like, 797 00:36:54,947 --> 00:36:58,114 you knew, like, this wasn't this kid anymore. 798 00:36:58,116 --> 00:37:00,850 I mean, that's one of our big things with Joe. 799 00:37:00,852 --> 00:37:02,919 Sometimes I feel like he's not there. 800 00:37:02,921 --> 00:37:04,787 I don't want to use the word "possessed," 801 00:37:04,789 --> 00:37:07,457 but it's the feeling that I get. 802 00:37:07,459 --> 00:37:11,260 I had a sketch done of what I saw in the blue bedroom. 803 00:37:18,536 --> 00:37:21,671 I- I gotta show it to you, even though I don't wanna. 804 00:37:21,673 --> 00:37:24,007 My God. 805 00:37:24,009 --> 00:37:26,543 I don't know what to say. 806 00:37:32,718 --> 00:37:35,084 What the hell are these things? 807 00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:38,855 I believe that they are a type of demonic entity. 808 00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:43,593 They're very bad. 809 00:37:43,595 --> 00:37:46,229 Well, what about Joseph? What do they want from him? 810 00:37:46,231 --> 00:37:47,464 They want to possess him. 811 00:37:50,035 --> 00:37:51,500 And I'm always afraid of Joseph doing 812 00:37:51,502 --> 00:37:54,537 something to hurt himself or somebody else. 813 00:37:54,539 --> 00:37:57,774 I also saw these things in the room across the hall. 814 00:37:57,776 --> 00:37:59,775 - Samantha's? - Samantha's room. 815 00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:03,079 They already had her, like, from birth. 816 00:38:03,081 --> 00:38:05,715 That's why the activity's gotten worse. 817 00:38:05,717 --> 00:38:09,452 My God. 818 00:38:09,454 --> 00:38:11,354 - Is she possessed? - Yeah. 819 00:38:11,356 --> 00:38:14,223 My God. 820 00:38:14,225 --> 00:38:16,926 There's one that's literally inside her all the time. 821 00:38:36,181 --> 00:38:37,580 So, Jen, you called us in 822 00:38:37,582 --> 00:38:39,615 because you thought the kids were in danger here. 823 00:38:39,617 --> 00:38:42,985 And I don't know if it was mother's intuition or what, 824 00:38:42,987 --> 00:38:46,289 but based on what Amy's told us, you are 100% right. 825 00:38:46,291 --> 00:38:48,191 So now the big question is, 826 00:38:48,193 --> 00:38:51,127 is there a way for you to save your children, 827 00:38:51,129 --> 00:38:53,329 or do you need to pack up before someone 828 00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:55,965 gets seriously hurt and get the hell out of here? 829 00:38:55,967 --> 00:38:58,468 For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 830 00:39:00,272 --> 00:39:03,539 So, we're going to start with the dead man. 831 00:39:03,541 --> 00:39:05,541 Talking about Rudolf, the guy who shot himself? 832 00:39:05,543 --> 00:39:06,809 Right. 833 00:39:06,811 --> 00:39:08,677 So getting him out of the house, 834 00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:11,948 we're going to utilize tar water. 835 00:39:11,950 --> 00:39:17,087 The tar water forms a long-lasting barrier 836 00:39:17,089 --> 00:39:21,757 that prevents the dead from entering your home. 837 00:39:21,759 --> 00:39:24,627 You're also going to be removing the dead lady. 838 00:39:24,629 --> 00:39:27,730 You mean Rudolf's wife, Rosalia? Yes. 839 00:39:27,732 --> 00:39:30,600 This one, you're going to need a medium for. 840 00:39:30,602 --> 00:39:34,604 Someone who is Jewish, who is also a medium, 841 00:39:34,606 --> 00:39:37,207 who can come and talk to her 842 00:39:37,209 --> 00:39:41,644 and specifically tell her that she's gotta go. 843 00:39:41,646 --> 00:39:43,880 She's gonna move on real quick. 844 00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:48,284 Now as far as the demons, 845 00:39:48,286 --> 00:39:50,686 you do need to set up an exorcism 846 00:39:50,688 --> 00:39:52,956 to take place for Sam. 847 00:39:55,827 --> 00:39:57,426 It could be very traumatic 848 00:39:57,428 --> 00:40:01,097 and this could take several meetings. 849 00:40:01,099 --> 00:40:03,566 I'm already dreading just the fact to have to 850 00:40:03,568 --> 00:40:04,967 try to somehow explain it to her, 851 00:40:04,969 --> 00:40:06,469 let alone put her through it. 852 00:40:06,471 --> 00:40:09,839 It's not like she necessarily has to be told these things. 853 00:40:09,841 --> 00:40:11,908 For all she knows, he's just doing 854 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:13,609 - nice little prayers over her. - Yeah. 855 00:40:13,611 --> 00:40:15,912 So you're saying exorcism for Sam. Yes. 856 00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:17,246 What about Joseph? 857 00:40:17,248 --> 00:40:20,483 After Sam, then Joseph. 858 00:40:20,485 --> 00:40:22,352 How do you think Joseph's going to react to this? 859 00:40:22,354 --> 00:40:24,253 I think he's gonna feel vindicated 860 00:40:24,255 --> 00:40:26,856 and embrace the fight to get it taken care of. 861 00:40:28,693 --> 00:40:32,395 Okay, once both of the children have been taken care of, 862 00:40:32,397 --> 00:40:34,630 then the entire house has to be blessed 863 00:40:34,632 --> 00:40:35,899 as well as the land. 864 00:40:35,901 --> 00:40:37,166 And then every year, 865 00:40:37,168 --> 00:40:39,936 you have to have the house and the land blessed. 866 00:40:39,938 --> 00:40:42,338 So the exorcism and then blessing the house 867 00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:43,806 will get rid of the little demons? 868 00:40:43,808 --> 00:40:45,708 Correct. 869 00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:48,677 And so what about their mood swings and personality changes? 870 00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:50,146 Will those get better, too? 871 00:40:50,148 --> 00:40:53,149 Once they're completely done with absolutely everything, 872 00:40:53,151 --> 00:40:55,051 yeah, it'll be good. 873 00:40:55,053 --> 00:40:56,385 It's funny, when we talked, 874 00:40:56,387 --> 00:40:58,354 you broke my heart actually, listening to you. 875 00:40:58,356 --> 00:40:59,722 All you wanted was your kids to be safe 876 00:40:59,724 --> 00:41:01,191 and to save your marriage. 877 00:41:01,193 --> 00:41:04,828 Now she basically gave you a map on how to do that. 878 00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:07,697 So are you going to do what Amy tells you to do? 879 00:41:07,699 --> 00:41:08,832 Absolutely. 880 00:41:08,834 --> 00:41:11,467 There's not a question in my mind. 881 00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:13,336 I can't thank you enough... 882 00:41:15,974 --> 00:41:18,908 'cause it's gotta stop now. 883 00:41:29,187 --> 00:41:31,454 It won't be easy removing the dead 884 00:41:31,456 --> 00:41:32,855 in Jen and Gary's home, 885 00:41:32,857 --> 00:41:35,658 but with the help of a medium and tar water, 886 00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:37,960 they can be banished. 887 00:41:37,962 --> 00:41:41,664 If they do that and get Sam and Joe exercised, 888 00:41:41,666 --> 00:41:45,167 this family will find the peace they've been searching for. 889 00:41:45,217 --> 00:41:49,767 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 68509

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