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This is bad.
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Something just hurt me.
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I gotta get out of here,
I gotta get out of here.
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We are being
physically attacked.
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I had a shadow figure
hold me down in bed.
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There's some kind
of demonic thing.
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I don't know if
it's a demon or not,
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but it sure as hell
looks like one.
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- Is she possessed?
- Yeah.
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My God.
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These evil little things
are in here.
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Panic, panic, panic.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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I'm seeing, like, blood.
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The house just feels bad.
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I see dead people.
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This man
is completely insane.
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I speak to dead people...
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Whoo. Okay.
She doesn't like it in there.
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...and they speak to me.
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He likes to twist that knife.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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Something paranormal
is trying to kill them.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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Now does he die right there,
on the spot?
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I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I think it's trying
to steal my soul.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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You ever get touched
like that again?
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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I'm as stunned as you guys are.
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When we uncover if
it's safe for you to stay...
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I don't want anything
to happen to my daughter.
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Or time to get out.
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His goal
is to kill you guys.
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I'm in Mahwah, New Jersey.
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It's a suburb about 45 minutes
northwest of New York City.
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I got a call from a mother
named Jen. Sounded really bad.
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She says something in her house
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is attacking her
and her four kids.
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And if Amy and I can't help,
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somebody's gonna
get seriously hurt.
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Before Amy arrives,
I sweep the house
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for any leading information.
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Family photographs
and religious symbols
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can influence her findings,
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so it's important I cover
or remove them all.
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When I'm done,
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the location will be ready
for tonight's walk.
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This place is not good.
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I'm just getting feelings
in here, like, emotions.
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Unsettled, nervous,
worried, stress.
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Like, I'm hearing like,
"Get away from me.
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Like, "get away, get away,
get away."
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This is really bad. I wanna
run away. I don't like this.
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Well, Jen,
I'm glad I'm here,
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'cause when we spoke
on the phone,
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you sounded pretty upset.
The hell's going on here?
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I feel like
I'm living in hell.
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The activity is
aggressive in this house,
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and it's going after
me and my kids.
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Afraid, you know, something's
gonna happen to one of us.
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And I can't do that as a mother.
I need your help.
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Well, that's why
I'm here, honey. I know.
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So, Jen, who exactly
lives in the house?
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My husband Gary
and my four kids.
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This is Joe. He's 15.
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These are my twins,
Ryan and Michael. They're 13.
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Okay.
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And this is my daughter
Samantha, and she's 6.
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Jen, do me a favor.
Give me a -- gimme a list
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of what you guys
are experiencing here.
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Hearing disembodied voices.
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There's been
a lot of shadow figures.
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Objects moving on their own.
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The health of the family
is declining.
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We are being
physically attacked.
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Okay. So now, Jen, is everybody
being affected by this?
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Yeah, but Joseph is getting
the brunt of it.
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- In what way?
- He's lashing out.
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He's doing things that are not
in character for him.
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It's not
normal teenage stuff.
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Well, what do you think
is here, honey?
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I believe there's some kind
of hold or possession on him.
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What do you think it wants?
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I'm afraid it wants
to kill him.
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You got a lot on your shoulders
as a mom to begin with.
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How are dealing with
all this other stuff?
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I have horrible anxiety.
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And I just can't
protect my kids.
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Samantha's only 6.
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And she --
she's a baby still.
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I don't wanna live
like this anymore.
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I'm seeing a male out here.
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And this person
is, like, confused
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and, like, scared,
pacing or running.
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The dude from outside
comes in here.
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And he's running
and he's running.
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Boom, and then he's in here.
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Also, he makes the living
feel anxious
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and it almost makes you
wanna throw up.
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Just utter despair.
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And your stomach drops out
and you wanna vomit.
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Definitely getting the chills
with him.
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He affects electrical stuff.
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He has too much energy.
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How would the living
perceive this?
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People do see
a dark shadow moving by.
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He's just a shadow person
down here.
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Okay, Jen, so what's
going on in this room?
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Constantly,
we see shadow figures
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coming down the stairs.
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I could be in bed and see them
from my bedroom, too.
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So is this the only spot that
you see the shadow figures?
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No, I see them
all over the house.
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I see shadow figures
outside behind the fence.
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This one is completely tall.
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It's like he has got,
like, an overcoat on.
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I think that this guy
is no good.
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Okay.
Anything else strange happen?
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On top of the stairs,
all the sudden,
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I felt a hand on my back
and I got pushed,
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and, like, it was gonna, like,
throw me down the stairs.
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So how hard did you get pushed?
Just gimme an idea.
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I mean, like this.
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Okay, you're getting shoved,
and you have a 6-year-old.
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Who's to say that
can't happen to her?
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That's my concern.
He wants to hurt us.
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This guy's energy
is so bad.
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Like, I don't even wanna
go down the stairs right now
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'cause little...
a little loopy.
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I'm not feeling very well
right now.
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I think that dude from outside
is making me feel sick.
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I feel drained.
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I feel nauseous.
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I feel very dizzy.
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I would be worried about
the living accidentally falling.
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He is doing things
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because he's angry.
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Any idea what kind of affect
he might have on the living?
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I think that
they would feel a drain.
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I think they would feel, like,
sudden exhaustion.
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I think that
they feel uncomfortable.
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I think, panicked.
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So what's going on in here?
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I think whatever is in this
house is draining my energy.
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- Okay.
- I can't sleep at night.
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And then I can't wake up
in the morning.
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All right, anything else
like that?
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My health is declining.
I'm sore.
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I get fevers on and off.
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Everything in my body,
every muscle, everything.
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So what makes you think
this is paranormal?
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Medically, they can't
find anything wrong.
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All right, anything else?
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There's mood changes,
me and my husband.
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He seems to be
more of a nasty, mad,
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taking out aggression
and things like that.
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When I'm here,
I'm not normal either.
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You know,
we fight constantly.
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Well, I gotta
be honest with you.
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I gotta play
devil's advocate here.
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- I mean, couples fight.
- It's not normal fights.
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We're like soul mates.
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We've been through
a lot of things together.
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This should not
break us up.
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I'm afraid to even ask.
Anything else?
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I've been bruised
in the middle of the night.
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I wake up with them.
It just makes no sense.
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So what kinda bruises
we talking about?
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Like three fingerprints?
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How do you know your husband's
not rolling over
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and banging into you?
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Well, he sleeps like a rock,
and there's no way.
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So I'm seeing
this older woman,
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and she's, like,
hurting living people.
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I'm seeing that older woman
trying to strangle somebody.
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The living here are absolutely
experiencing a lot of pain.
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She died from an infection
or something.
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I don't know if somebody
keeps getting, like,
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some kind of infections
all the time.
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She's, like, cutting people.
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I see her putting on nails.
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And I see her touching
a baby's belly,
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and that makes me nervous.
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Why is this woman
doing this?
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She wants the living
out of here
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because she feels
they brought the evil in.
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"Get them out. Get them out."
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So, Gary, I was talking
to your wife earlier,
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and she was saying that
whatever's in this house
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is going after her
and your kids.
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I mean, you agree with that?
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It definitely appears
that way.
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She seems to have had
every paranormal experience
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she can have under the sun.
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Now what about you?
Have you had anything?
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Well, we have
a lot of issues
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with our electronics
and electrical systems.
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You know, lights turning on
when there's nobody there.
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Televisions coming back on
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when there's no one there
to turn them on.
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Then to have something
just plugged in
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just to start smoking and burst
into flames for no reason?
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I don't know
how to explain that.
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Is there an issue with
the electrical here or...
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No, all the electrical
has been upgraded,
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from the panel
right to the fixtures.
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Okay. Anything else?
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One night, I had a shadow figure
come and hold me down in bed.
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And what'd you do?
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I was kinda, like, frozen,
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couldn't say anything,
couldn't do anything
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and I just kinda laid there
for a minute or so,
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and that I felt it just
lift up the pressure off me
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and it left the room.
- Wow.
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So now your wife
also mentioned to me
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she sees a big change
in your son Joseph.
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Yeah, he lashes out
at my wife for no reason.
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He physically attacks my other
children for no reason.
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Look, I know
teenagers are jerks.
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- Couldn't it just be that?
- No.
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I mean, he'll have, like,
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a glassy but crazy, you know,
look in his eye,
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almost like it's not my son.
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He has, like, an evil smile.
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I hate to say my son
was possessed,
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but, I mean, it almost
gave me that impression.
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I mean,
what do you think is here?
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I don't know if it's demonic,
but I just want it gone.
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I'm feeling a paralysis thing.
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Somebody having
that happen to them.
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Can't move, can't move.
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Boy.
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I'm seeing these small
black shadow things.
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Do you have any idea yet
what these things are?
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I think they're, like,
some kind of demonic thing.
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These evil little things
are in here.
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They are trying to take over
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because the evil is in them.
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What going on?
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Something just hurt me.
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Felt like I got jabbed.
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Joe, I was talking to
your mom and dad,
249
00:12:08,611 --> 00:12:11,545
and they think that whatever's
going on in this house
250
00:12:11,547 --> 00:12:13,081
is changing your personality.
251
00:12:13,083 --> 00:12:15,216
Yeah, I would agree
with that.
252
00:12:15,218 --> 00:12:17,418
I get mad at everybody
all the time,
253
00:12:17,420 --> 00:12:19,687
ridiculous little things
that happen.
254
00:12:19,689 --> 00:12:21,790
When I'm out of the house,
I feel like, you know,
255
00:12:21,792 --> 00:12:24,425
nothing bothers me.
But when I'm in here,
256
00:12:24,427 --> 00:12:27,495
someone could just do
something so insignificant,
257
00:12:27,497 --> 00:12:29,297
and I'd just lose it.
258
00:12:29,299 --> 00:12:31,365
All right, so what about
experiences that you've had?
259
00:12:31,367 --> 00:12:34,035
For 15 years,
I've seen shadow figures.
260
00:12:34,037 --> 00:12:35,136
What do they look like
to you?
261
00:12:35,138 --> 00:12:38,306
Some have, like,
oddly shaped heads,
262
00:12:38,308 --> 00:12:41,409
oddly shaped bodies,
tentacle-like arms.
263
00:12:41,411 --> 00:12:44,579
That's a new one.
Anything else going on with you?
264
00:12:44,581 --> 00:12:47,982
Well, I have these
vivid nightmares constantly.
265
00:12:47,984 --> 00:12:49,717
Do me a favor
and describe one for me.
266
00:12:49,719 --> 00:12:51,452
Sometimes I just wake up,
267
00:12:51,454 --> 00:12:52,854
and something's
trying to get me.
268
00:12:52,856 --> 00:12:54,322
All right, so this thing
that's trying to get you
269
00:12:54,324 --> 00:12:55,356
in your dream,
what does it look like?
270
00:12:55,358 --> 00:12:56,591
Can you describe it?
271
00:12:56,593 --> 00:12:57,759
I don't know if
it's a demon or not,
272
00:12:57,761 --> 00:13:00,461
but it sure as hell
looks like one.
273
00:13:00,463 --> 00:13:01,662
Anything else?
274
00:13:01,664 --> 00:13:04,632
I've woken up with
scratches and bruises
275
00:13:04,634 --> 00:13:06,334
on my back and my arms.
276
00:13:06,336 --> 00:13:09,204
Okay, so what are these
scratches like? Are they...
277
00:13:09,206 --> 00:13:11,072
They're not deep,
but they're very visible.
278
00:13:11,074 --> 00:13:12,807
Okay, you're the oldest.
279
00:13:12,809 --> 00:13:14,075
I mean, you got
younger brothers and sisters.
280
00:13:14,077 --> 00:13:16,010
Yeah.
You worried about your brothers?
281
00:13:16,012 --> 00:13:18,746
I am very worried about them,
282
00:13:18,748 --> 00:13:21,081
and I'm very concerned
about my sister
283
00:13:21,083 --> 00:13:22,517
because of how young she is.
284
00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:24,285
Um...
285
00:13:24,287 --> 00:13:27,856
Sorry. I don't wanna see her
be affected in the future.
286
00:13:30,961 --> 00:13:34,529
Someone here
might be getting influenced.
287
00:13:34,531 --> 00:13:37,031
These things wanna, like,
take over.
288
00:13:37,033 --> 00:13:38,766
Like, it's not, like,
influenced subtly.
289
00:13:38,768 --> 00:13:40,702
No, no, no, it's change.
290
00:13:40,704 --> 00:13:42,203
Like, change.
291
00:13:44,174 --> 00:13:46,073
What do you mean?
292
00:13:46,075 --> 00:13:48,509
I think a personality change.
293
00:13:48,511 --> 00:13:49,977
I think maybe the living
are thinking,
294
00:13:49,979 --> 00:13:51,513
like, this is nightmares.
295
00:13:53,250 --> 00:13:55,483
Is it specifically
the person in this room?
296
00:13:56,653 --> 00:13:57,919
So what do they want
with this kid?
297
00:13:57,921 --> 00:14:01,456
They would like
to take over the kid.
298
00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,400
Samantha, how old are you?
299
00:14:12,402 --> 00:14:14,402
- Um, 6.
-6. Okay.
300
00:14:14,404 --> 00:14:16,204
So I was talking
to Mommy today,
301
00:14:16,206 --> 00:14:17,672
and she was telling me
there's some scary things
302
00:14:17,674 --> 00:14:19,641
going on in this house.
303
00:14:19,643 --> 00:14:21,609
Can you tell me about
anything that you've seen
304
00:14:21,611 --> 00:14:22,877
that might have scared you?
305
00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:27,081
I saw, like, shadows
and stuff around the house.
306
00:14:27,083 --> 00:14:28,882
Can you tell me
what those shadow things
307
00:14:28,884 --> 00:14:30,351
looked like to you?
308
00:14:30,353 --> 00:14:33,687
Like, they're, like,
um, on the wall.
309
00:14:33,689 --> 00:14:35,223
They're, like, all black.
310
00:14:35,225 --> 00:14:37,491
And then one of them,
like, leaves.
311
00:14:37,493 --> 00:14:38,826
Like, they disappear.
312
00:14:38,828 --> 00:14:40,761
Okay, anything else
scare you?
313
00:14:40,763 --> 00:14:42,597
I saw a ghost bear.
314
00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,633
How big was he?
315
00:14:45,635 --> 00:14:49,069
He was, like,
up to the table.
316
00:14:49,071 --> 00:14:51,472
So he's kinda big.
317
00:14:51,474 --> 00:14:54,642
I, like, heard steps
and then saw a bear
318
00:14:54,644 --> 00:14:56,377
walking, like, tip-toeing,
319
00:14:56,379 --> 00:14:58,446
and then I ran back
to my room.
320
00:14:58,448 --> 00:15:00,548
So you afraid
to be here in the house?
321
00:15:01,585 --> 00:15:03,585
Okay.
322
00:15:07,457 --> 00:15:09,223
I don't like this.
323
00:15:09,225 --> 00:15:13,193
No, no. This is bad.
324
00:15:13,195 --> 00:15:17,064
I don't know why these, like,
demon things are here,
325
00:15:17,066 --> 00:15:18,066
but they are.
326
00:15:20,970 --> 00:15:23,605
They're messing with the kid
in this room, too.
327
00:15:23,607 --> 00:15:26,140
I think these evil things
are hurting people.
328
00:15:26,142 --> 00:15:28,109
I feel like this kids
are, like...
329
00:15:30,947 --> 00:15:32,213
not okay.
330
00:15:32,215 --> 00:15:34,415
- It's upsetting me.
- Okay.
331
00:15:34,417 --> 00:15:36,584
I keep hearing,
"Hurting the baby."
332
00:15:37,954 --> 00:15:40,020
They're being, like, taken over.
333
00:15:40,022 --> 00:15:42,624
The kid's, like,
completely possessed.
334
00:15:56,572 --> 00:15:58,106
So whenever I get to town,
335
00:15:58,108 --> 00:16:00,441
the first call I make
is to the local police chief.
336
00:16:00,443 --> 00:16:03,077
Turns out there was
a horrible murder/suicide
337
00:16:03,079 --> 00:16:05,947
on Jen's property
back in the 1930s.
338
00:16:05,949 --> 00:16:09,383
I'm heading over now to find out
exactly what happened.
339
00:16:13,990 --> 00:16:15,923
So, Chief, thanks
for meeting with me.
340
00:16:15,925 --> 00:16:19,293
I know my client's property
is literally right here.
341
00:16:19,295 --> 00:16:22,296
And this pond area used to be
part of the property, right?
342
00:16:22,298 --> 00:16:25,466
Back in the 1930s, this pond
and the surrounding areas
343
00:16:25,468 --> 00:16:27,034
was part of
a massive dairy farm.
344
00:16:27,036 --> 00:16:28,502
It was part of the estate.
345
00:16:28,504 --> 00:16:30,371
What can tell me about
the victims in this case?
346
00:16:30,373 --> 00:16:32,239
Well, the first victim
is Bertie Wells.
347
00:16:32,241 --> 00:16:33,474
She was a neighbor
348
00:16:33,476 --> 00:16:35,042
of the people that owned
the property at the time.
349
00:16:35,044 --> 00:16:37,878
On October 5, 1937, she took
her 3-year-old son John
350
00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,180
for a walk
around 6:00 at night.
351
00:16:40,182 --> 00:16:42,116
Several hours later,
her husband Edgar comes home.
352
00:16:42,118 --> 00:16:43,584
He finds the house empty.
353
00:16:43,586 --> 00:16:46,587
He knows something's wrong,
so he calls the police.
354
00:16:46,589 --> 00:16:48,422
They start a massive search
of the area.
355
00:16:48,424 --> 00:16:50,358
Several hours into the search,
they saw
356
00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,493
the head of Bertie Wells
bobbing in the water
357
00:16:52,495 --> 00:16:54,028
in the middle of the pond.
358
00:16:54,030 --> 00:16:58,566
When they retrieve her,
they find the body of John,
359
00:16:58,568 --> 00:17:01,502
his icy arms
still wrapped, frozen,
360
00:17:01,504 --> 00:17:02,837
in his mother's arms.
361
00:17:02,839 --> 00:17:05,373
Jeez. Now what was
the official cause of death?
362
00:17:05,375 --> 00:17:07,942
These are
the death certificates
363
00:17:07,944 --> 00:17:10,678
showing suffocation
from drowning.
364
00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,980
She was only 41. What a shame.
365
00:17:16,318 --> 00:17:18,219
I'm seeing this other woman.
366
00:17:18,221 --> 00:17:20,354
She might be in her 30s or 40s.
367
00:17:20,356 --> 00:17:22,557
It's a white female.
She's face-down.
368
00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:25,726
She's wearing a red dress
and she has blonde hair.
369
00:17:25,728 --> 00:17:28,329
It looks like
she doesn't have any bones.
370
00:17:28,331 --> 00:17:29,931
She's all liquid.
371
00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,536
I think she died
somewhere near the property.
372
00:17:35,538 --> 00:17:39,673
This felt recent to me --
the 1920s, the 1930s.
373
00:17:39,675 --> 00:17:43,277
I felt despair, and then I felt
a broken heart and pain.
374
00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:45,780
And then I got "missing"
and I got "lost."
375
00:17:45,782 --> 00:17:48,182
Like, that could be
how she feels.
376
00:17:48,184 --> 00:17:52,286
She was a mother. Like, I keep
seeing her over a baby.
377
00:17:52,288 --> 00:17:55,289
I'm hearing
infant crying and dying.
378
00:17:55,291 --> 00:17:59,460
And the older woman says,
"Not my fault."
379
00:18:01,831 --> 00:18:05,099
So far, I've got a family
being attacked in their own home
380
00:18:05,101 --> 00:18:07,168
and a horribly murder/suicide
that took place
381
00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:09,537
right on my client's
original property.
382
00:18:09,539 --> 00:18:11,672
But I gotta see
if there's anything else.
383
00:18:13,109 --> 00:18:14,442
Searching through old records,
384
00:18:14,444 --> 00:18:17,512
I find this Hungarian Count,
who committed suicide
385
00:18:17,514 --> 00:18:20,714
right next door
to Jen and Gary's house.
386
00:18:20,716 --> 00:18:24,318
So I got local historian looking
into this strange case for me,
387
00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,387
and she says the death
was a combination
388
00:18:26,389 --> 00:18:28,656
of a lost fortune,
mental illness,
389
00:18:28,658 --> 00:18:30,758
and lots of booze.
390
00:18:36,399 --> 00:18:38,866
Well, Amanda, thanks for
helping me out with this case.
391
00:18:38,868 --> 00:18:40,501
This seems like
a really crazy story.
392
00:18:40,503 --> 00:18:42,670
I mean, I've done
over 140 of these cases,
393
00:18:42,672 --> 00:18:45,138
and I've never come across
European royalty.
394
00:18:45,140 --> 00:18:46,340
It is crazy.
395
00:18:46,342 --> 00:18:48,275
So what can you tell me
about this Count?
396
00:18:48,277 --> 00:18:50,644
The Count's name
was Rudolf Palffy.
397
00:18:50,646 --> 00:18:52,680
And the Palffy family
was quite wealthy
398
00:18:52,682 --> 00:18:54,415
in the 1800s
back in Hungary.
399
00:18:54,417 --> 00:18:55,817
Okay.
400
00:18:55,819 --> 00:18:59,687
In 1873, Rudolf's father
declared financial ruin.
401
00:18:59,689 --> 00:19:01,755
Well, he's in despair from
losing all his money,
402
00:19:01,757 --> 00:19:04,625
and he takes a gun
and shoots himself.
403
00:19:04,627 --> 00:19:08,696
Really? Okay, so Rudolf's dad
is dead now. What does he do?
404
00:19:08,698 --> 00:19:11,498
Well, Rudolf goes to France
to live with his brother Arthur,
405
00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:14,168
thinking that Arthur
may still have some money
406
00:19:14,170 --> 00:19:16,837
and they can continue to live
a lavish lifestyle in France.
407
00:19:16,839 --> 00:19:18,105
But he arrives
and discovers that
408
00:19:18,107 --> 00:19:20,174
Arthur actually
doesn't have any money.
409
00:19:20,176 --> 00:19:23,711
And in 1889, Arthur follows
in his father's footsteps,
410
00:19:23,713 --> 00:19:26,380
and takes a pistol
and shoots and kills himself.
411
00:19:26,382 --> 00:19:28,882
That's crazy.
Okay, so what happens next?
412
00:19:28,884 --> 00:19:32,052
Rudolf ends up marrying
his late brother's girlfriend,
413
00:19:32,054 --> 00:19:34,889
Rosalia Zimmerman...
- Okay.
414
00:19:34,891 --> 00:19:36,424
...who is a commoner
from Switzerland.
415
00:19:36,426 --> 00:19:40,060
And the family in Hungary
does not like this at all.
416
00:19:40,062 --> 00:19:41,195
Any idea why?
417
00:19:41,197 --> 00:19:42,797
Well, he was Catholic
from Hungary.
418
00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:44,799
And with her last name
being Zimmerman,
419
00:19:44,801 --> 00:19:46,533
she was likely Jewish.
420
00:19:46,535 --> 00:19:48,636
So there probably
were religious issues
421
00:19:48,638 --> 00:19:50,671
that caused them
to have more conflict.
422
00:19:50,673 --> 00:19:54,008
How does this kid end up
in Mahwah for all places?
423
00:19:54,010 --> 00:19:55,710
He decides to come to America
424
00:19:55,712 --> 00:19:57,812
and see if he can get
a fresh start.
425
00:19:57,814 --> 00:19:59,813
Okay, so when does
he wind up getting here?
426
00:19:59,815 --> 00:20:02,817
1891. He takes up residency
with his wife in a small cottage
427
00:20:02,819 --> 00:20:05,152
that's not far from
your client's property.
428
00:20:05,154 --> 00:20:07,120
He had $5,000 when he arrived,
429
00:20:07,122 --> 00:20:09,757
which is about $140,000
in today's dollars.
430
00:20:09,759 --> 00:20:12,660
Wow.
But blasts through all of that in a year.
431
00:20:12,662 --> 00:20:14,762
Okay, so I know this guy
eventually kills himself.
432
00:20:14,764 --> 00:20:16,296
How does he do it?
433
00:20:16,298 --> 00:20:19,433
Well, in 1893, according to
these newspaper articles,
434
00:20:19,435 --> 00:20:22,436
he's out drinking with
the locals in Mahwah,
435
00:20:22,438 --> 00:20:26,741
and he comes home and gets in
a huge argument with his wife.
436
00:20:26,743 --> 00:20:30,311
Then he gives her a kiss,
says, "I love you dearly,
437
00:20:30,313 --> 00:20:32,379
but Switzerland
cannot rule Hungary."
438
00:20:32,381 --> 00:20:35,449
Then he turns
and grabs his pistol,
439
00:20:35,451 --> 00:20:38,319
puts it to his head and shoots
and kills himself.
440
00:20:38,321 --> 00:20:40,688
- Okay.
- He's about 32 years of age.
441
00:20:43,526 --> 00:20:46,527
I'm seeing that crazy guy
running around again.
442
00:20:46,529 --> 00:20:48,395
Can you describe him?
443
00:20:48,397 --> 00:20:50,731
I wouldn't put him
older than 30.
444
00:20:50,733 --> 00:20:52,300
I think he was mentally ill.
445
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:57,238
He's got soot or burns
on his face.
446
00:20:59,008 --> 00:21:00,774
I keep hearing,
"I gotta get outta here.
447
00:21:00,776 --> 00:21:01,909
Gotta get outta here."
448
00:21:05,181 --> 00:21:07,180
He felt trapped.
449
00:21:07,182 --> 00:21:09,683
Just overwhelmed.
450
00:21:09,685 --> 00:21:13,921
He feels confused.
He feels like it's too much.
451
00:21:13,923 --> 00:21:17,658
Okay, so this guy's father
and his brother commit suicide.
452
00:21:17,660 --> 00:21:20,627
He winds up coming here,
right near my client's property,
453
00:21:20,629 --> 00:21:22,830
has money issues,
and kills himself as well?
454
00:21:22,832 --> 00:21:24,231
Yes.
455
00:21:24,233 --> 00:21:25,700
What happens with the wife
after he kills himself?
456
00:21:25,702 --> 00:21:28,035
She's distraught.
She's left penniless.
457
00:21:28,037 --> 00:21:32,372
She ends up with nothing.
It's definitely a tragic story.
458
00:21:35,144 --> 00:21:37,712
I'm getting a connection
between the crazy guy
459
00:21:37,714 --> 00:21:39,780
and the nasty old woman.
460
00:21:39,782 --> 00:21:42,249
There's something with them,
friction.
461
00:21:42,251 --> 00:21:44,718
He's afraid of her.
462
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,188
Why are you afraid?
463
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:48,455
Do you get anything else
464
00:21:48,457 --> 00:21:50,924
on who she was
when she was alive?
465
00:21:50,926 --> 00:21:54,061
She's extremely religious.
466
00:21:54,063 --> 00:21:56,263
A lot of, like, praying.
467
00:21:59,035 --> 00:22:02,203
I saw her living
in a very nice place.
468
00:22:02,205 --> 00:22:04,205
She's from another country.
469
00:22:04,207 --> 00:22:07,408
She said that it took
a long time to get here.
470
00:22:07,410 --> 00:22:11,078
Then it was bad because
her husband died.
471
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,115
Her husband died horrible.
472
00:22:15,250 --> 00:22:16,750
Young, young.
473
00:22:16,752 --> 00:22:20,287
She lost all her money somehow
and now she's mad.
474
00:22:28,564 --> 00:22:30,764
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476
00:22:32,301 --> 00:22:34,235
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478
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479
00:22:39,641 --> 00:22:40,908
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480
00:22:48,450 --> 00:22:50,651
I've already got
multiple suicides
481
00:22:50,653 --> 00:22:52,519
and a murder on Jen's property.
482
00:22:52,521 --> 00:22:54,488
But something else
caught my eye in research.
483
00:22:54,490 --> 00:22:56,156
A mom killed four of her kids
484
00:22:56,158 --> 00:22:57,958
just down the street
from Jen's house.
485
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,393
I'm going to meet
the local sheriff,
486
00:22:59,395 --> 00:23:02,196
who says it was one of the worst
crimes in Mahwah's history.
487
00:23:12,007 --> 00:23:13,207
So, Sheriff, you mentioned
on the phone
488
00:23:13,209 --> 00:23:14,674
that there was
this quadruple homicide
489
00:23:14,676 --> 00:23:16,410
that happened right near
my client's property.
490
00:23:16,412 --> 00:23:19,280
It involved a couple
that lived in Mahwah.
491
00:23:19,282 --> 00:23:22,282
Kenneth McDonald,
he was 32 years old.
492
00:23:22,284 --> 00:23:24,351
And his wife, Carol McDonald,
she was 29.
493
00:23:24,353 --> 00:23:27,688
She was a stay-at-home mom,
caring for their four children.
494
00:23:27,690 --> 00:23:30,591
There came a point,
early in 1953,
495
00:23:30,593 --> 00:23:33,761
where Kenneth found out that
Carol was cheating on him.
496
00:23:33,763 --> 00:23:36,830
He was devastated,
furious, and at one point
497
00:23:36,832 --> 00:23:39,633
left the household
and filed for divorce.
498
00:23:39,635 --> 00:23:41,969
- Okay.
- When she decides she wants
499
00:23:41,971 --> 00:23:43,503
to retaliate
against the husband.
500
00:23:43,505 --> 00:23:45,172
Okay, so what'd
she wind up doing?
501
00:23:45,174 --> 00:23:47,708
So on May 3, 1953,
502
00:23:47,710 --> 00:23:50,044
she wakes up
her four children,
503
00:23:50,046 --> 00:23:51,712
little after midnight.
504
00:23:51,714 --> 00:23:54,381
These children ranged
from age 2 to 7,
505
00:23:54,383 --> 00:23:55,849
two boys and two girls.
506
00:23:55,851 --> 00:23:59,520
She walked them out into
the garage to the family car,
507
00:23:59,522 --> 00:24:01,488
put them in the car,
turned on the engine,
508
00:24:01,490 --> 00:24:03,123
and then
she came back inside.
509
00:24:03,125 --> 00:24:04,325
All right, so let me
get this straight.
510
00:24:04,327 --> 00:24:05,792
She leaves the four kids
in the car,
511
00:24:05,794 --> 00:24:07,427
and then walks
back into the house.
512
00:24:07,429 --> 00:24:09,429
Yes.
She went in the house
513
00:24:09,431 --> 00:24:12,165
and wrote six separate
suicide letters.
514
00:24:12,167 --> 00:24:13,600
As she's taking
two hours to write
515
00:24:13,602 --> 00:24:16,202
these six individual
suicide letters,
516
00:24:16,204 --> 00:24:18,038
these poor four children
are in that car,
517
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,873
getting asphyxiated.
518
00:24:19,875 --> 00:24:21,742
There came a point
where she realized,
519
00:24:21,744 --> 00:24:23,410
maybe this isn't
the right thing to do.
520
00:24:23,412 --> 00:24:25,713
She went back into the garage,
but, of course, it was too late.
521
00:24:25,715 --> 00:24:26,981
The four children were dead.
522
00:24:26,983 --> 00:24:28,748
That's actually an article
I found
523
00:24:28,750 --> 00:24:30,084
on the whole story there.
524
00:24:31,621 --> 00:24:34,788
Cops respond to the house,
they arrest her.
525
00:24:34,790 --> 00:24:37,758
She's subsequently charged
with four counts of murder.
526
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,293
Here's a picture
of her being arrested
527
00:24:39,295 --> 00:24:41,462
in the police car
with the detective.
528
00:24:42,899 --> 00:24:44,397
Look at that.
529
00:24:44,399 --> 00:24:46,366
After her arrest, she was
transported right to this jail,
530
00:24:46,368 --> 00:24:47,434
right where we're standing.
531
00:24:47,436 --> 00:24:49,202
She tried to commit suicide.
532
00:24:49,204 --> 00:24:50,770
So I assume they got
a conviction.
533
00:24:50,772 --> 00:24:53,173
The saddest part
of this whole story
534
00:24:53,175 --> 00:24:55,576
is that she was
deemed to be insane
535
00:24:55,578 --> 00:24:56,977
and never stood trial.
536
00:24:56,979 --> 00:24:59,913
She was sent to
a state psychiatric hospital
537
00:24:59,915 --> 00:25:02,316
where, after three years,
she was released
538
00:25:02,318 --> 00:25:04,051
and never had to pay
for this crime.
539
00:25:04,053 --> 00:25:07,020
- Are you kidding me?
- Wish I was.
540
00:25:12,662 --> 00:25:14,661
Something's happening here.
541
00:25:14,663 --> 00:25:17,598
I'm getting, like, a fight
between two people.
542
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,000
There's two people fighting
in this area.
543
00:25:22,338 --> 00:25:24,938
One is definitely a male.
544
00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:26,206
Fighting, fighting.
545
00:25:26,208 --> 00:25:28,875
It's not good.
546
00:25:28,877 --> 00:25:31,378
I don't like it.
547
00:25:31,380 --> 00:25:33,614
I think, like, something dies.
548
00:25:36,752 --> 00:25:39,886
This is not a good situation.
549
00:25:39,888 --> 00:25:42,623
I'm being shown a bunch of kids.
550
00:25:42,625 --> 00:25:45,392
Something about an attack
551
00:25:45,394 --> 00:25:47,027
at night.
552
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:48,362
It happened inside.
553
00:25:48,364 --> 00:25:50,296
I see absolute horror,
554
00:25:50,298 --> 00:25:52,266
over and over again.
555
00:25:59,241 --> 00:26:01,375
I saw many disturbing
things on my walk,
556
00:26:01,377 --> 00:26:03,143
but two stood out.
557
00:26:03,145 --> 00:26:07,014
First, the old woman
attacking a living child.
558
00:26:07,016 --> 00:26:09,349
She is behind the bed
559
00:26:09,351 --> 00:26:12,853
with her hands on this child's,
like, chest/neck area.
560
00:26:12,855 --> 00:26:16,990
He was, um, being choked.
561
00:26:16,992 --> 00:26:20,193
She had a very unusual face.
562
00:26:20,195 --> 00:26:22,262
She had very dark eyes.
563
00:26:22,264 --> 00:26:24,864
Next, I described
the black shadow things
564
00:26:24,866 --> 00:26:28,201
trying to possess a child
in the upstairs bedroom.
565
00:26:28,203 --> 00:26:31,405
There were about
three or four of them
566
00:26:31,407 --> 00:26:32,939
surrounding the bed,
567
00:26:32,941 --> 00:26:37,278
trying to, like, take over
the child's body.
568
00:26:44,686 --> 00:26:46,687
Amy, is this what you saw?
569
00:26:46,689 --> 00:26:48,889
Yes.
570
00:27:07,659 --> 00:27:10,527
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
571
00:27:10,529 --> 00:27:12,596
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
572
00:27:12,598 --> 00:27:16,066
and our clients
for the first time.
573
00:27:16,068 --> 00:27:18,335
Amy this is Jen
and her husband Gary.
574
00:27:18,337 --> 00:27:22,005
They live here with
their four very sweet kids.
575
00:27:22,007 --> 00:27:23,607
This is Joseph, who's 15.
576
00:27:23,609 --> 00:27:26,342
This is Ryan and Michael,
who are 13-year-old twins,
577
00:27:26,344 --> 00:27:28,545
and Samantha, who's 6.
578
00:27:28,547 --> 00:27:31,415
Now we're sitting here,
so obviously the activity's bad,
579
00:27:31,417 --> 00:27:33,350
but these two say it's so bad,
580
00:27:33,352 --> 00:27:35,752
they don't think it's safe
for anybody to be in this house,
581
00:27:35,754 --> 00:27:37,888
especially Joe.
582
00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:40,157
So now that Amy knows
who you guys are,
583
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,025
I'm going to ask her
to describe her walk for us.
584
00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,164
So when I first got here,
585
00:27:47,166 --> 00:27:50,600
I saw a deceased female
586
00:27:50,602 --> 00:27:53,437
who was laying face-down.
587
00:27:53,439 --> 00:27:56,473
I got that she was
in her 30s or her 40s.
588
00:27:56,475 --> 00:27:58,542
She did look a little odd.
589
00:27:58,544 --> 00:28:01,578
To me, it looked like
almost, like, a pool of her
590
00:28:01,580 --> 00:28:05,482
because it didn't seem like
she had any bones.
591
00:28:05,484 --> 00:28:08,652
A lot of pain and despair.
592
00:28:08,654 --> 00:28:10,487
Something about
her being a mother
593
00:28:10,489 --> 00:28:12,789
but she didn't have her kids,
and then somebody
594
00:28:12,791 --> 00:28:16,192
was talking about someone
being lost or missing
595
00:28:16,194 --> 00:28:20,163
so that she had a broken heart,
and I think it's possible
596
00:28:20,165 --> 00:28:22,399
she died somewhere
on the property.
597
00:28:22,401 --> 00:28:24,701
I know you didn't get a lot,
but what you did get
598
00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:26,737
reminds me of a woman
I came across in research.
599
00:28:26,739 --> 00:28:29,206
Now back in the 1930s,
this property was part
600
00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:30,640
of a 500-acre dairy farm.
601
00:28:30,642 --> 00:28:32,342
Now a woman named Bertie Wells
lived on
602
00:28:32,344 --> 00:28:33,944
the property next door
to that farm
603
00:28:33,946 --> 00:28:35,112
with her husband and two sons.
604
00:28:35,114 --> 00:28:38,615
So now on the evening
of October 5, 1937,
605
00:28:38,617 --> 00:28:40,350
Bertie took
her 3-year-old kid, John,
606
00:28:40,352 --> 00:28:41,785
for a walk right to that pond
607
00:28:41,787 --> 00:28:43,320
that's only
around the block here.
608
00:28:43,322 --> 00:28:45,221
She went missing.
609
00:28:45,223 --> 00:28:47,758
Now the cops wind up doing
a town-wide search
610
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,093
for Bertie and the kid.
611
00:28:49,095 --> 00:28:50,360
Within a few hours,
612
00:28:50,362 --> 00:28:51,962
they found both their bodies
in the pond.
613
00:28:53,499 --> 00:28:54,965
From what the cops could gather,
614
00:28:54,967 --> 00:28:57,701
Bertie had walked into the pond
with the boy in her arms,
615
00:28:57,703 --> 00:28:59,937
and drowned them both.
616
00:28:59,939 --> 00:29:03,073
And I got their
death certificates here.
617
00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:04,641
Now the only motive
for this suicide
618
00:29:04,643 --> 00:29:06,443
was that Bertie had been
depressed for months
619
00:29:06,445 --> 00:29:07,778
over her declining health.
620
00:29:07,780 --> 00:29:09,312
So I'm just curious
if you think Bertie Wells
621
00:29:09,314 --> 00:29:10,914
could be the woman
you might have seen?
622
00:29:10,916 --> 00:29:12,716
Yeah,
that's a big possibility.
623
00:29:16,655 --> 00:29:19,756
The next person that
I ran into was a male,
624
00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:21,992
and I first
encountered him outside,
625
00:29:21,994 --> 00:29:24,794
and he was running around
like a frickin' maniac.
626
00:29:24,796 --> 00:29:27,698
He's extremely confused
and scared.
627
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:31,401
He doesn't get
that he's deceased,
628
00:29:31,403 --> 00:29:32,870
which is a big problem.
629
00:29:34,406 --> 00:29:38,675
I think that the living here
would maybe see him
630
00:29:38,677 --> 00:29:41,077
running outside in the yard.
631
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:43,880
The way that I saw him was
very much as a shadow person,
632
00:29:43,882 --> 00:29:45,215
as a shadow figure.
633
00:29:45,217 --> 00:29:47,884
- Wow.
- I see him in the back.
634
00:29:47,886 --> 00:29:50,653
He just stands there
and watches you.
635
00:29:50,655 --> 00:29:51,921
Yeah.
636
00:29:51,923 --> 00:29:54,224
He, like,
does not stop moving
637
00:29:54,226 --> 00:29:55,959
And he, because of that,
638
00:29:55,961 --> 00:29:59,096
can affect, like,
the electricity in the house
639
00:29:59,098 --> 00:30:02,365
or, like, TVs and stuff
like that, you know?
640
00:30:02,367 --> 00:30:04,434
Gary, tell her what's going on
with the electric.
641
00:30:04,436 --> 00:30:06,036
We leave the house,
everything was off.
642
00:30:06,038 --> 00:30:08,238
We'd come home, the lights
in the attic are on,
643
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,508
there's TVs on, radios on.
I mean, you name it.
644
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:13,443
Wow. Okay.
645
00:30:13,445 --> 00:30:15,679
You might, when you're
around him,
646
00:30:15,681 --> 00:30:18,515
feel a lot
of emotional swings.
647
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:23,553
It's just a constant
struggle for me to be --
648
00:30:23,555 --> 00:30:25,388
just to be happy
with anything.
649
00:30:25,390 --> 00:30:27,657
You know, it's changing
my personality.
650
00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:30,928
I can leave work in a great mood
and I'll walk into the house,
651
00:30:30,930 --> 00:30:33,730
and all of a sudden,
I'm just angry at everybody.
652
00:30:33,732 --> 00:30:35,332
He can make you
feel anxious
653
00:30:35,334 --> 00:30:37,934
and dizzy and nauseous
and drained.
654
00:30:37,936 --> 00:30:40,537
My energy is gone.
655
00:30:40,539 --> 00:30:43,673
I can sleep all day and still
feel like I haven't slept.
656
00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:45,008
It's terrible.
657
00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:46,210
She talked about something else
that we didn't hit on,
658
00:30:46,212 --> 00:30:48,145
was the anxiety, being anxious.
659
00:30:48,147 --> 00:30:50,480
The anxiety,
the panic attacks,
660
00:30:50,482 --> 00:30:53,083
as each month goes by,
it gets worse and worse.
661
00:30:53,085 --> 00:30:54,517
They tried putting me
on meds for it.
662
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,620
Nothing works.
663
00:30:56,622 --> 00:30:57,954
Now all that stuff
they talked about
664
00:30:57,956 --> 00:30:59,422
sounds like
it could be this guy.
665
00:30:59,424 --> 00:31:02,125
Yes, that's that guy.
666
00:31:02,127 --> 00:31:05,229
Get any idea who this guy might
have been when he was alive?
667
00:31:05,231 --> 00:31:07,163
Due to the fact that
he wouldn't stop moving,
668
00:31:07,165 --> 00:31:10,133
I could not really
see him very well,
669
00:31:10,135 --> 00:31:12,902
but I'm thinking
about 30 years of age.
670
00:31:12,904 --> 00:31:16,039
But mentally,
he absolutely seemed like
671
00:31:16,041 --> 00:31:19,509
he was functioning
at a much younger level.
672
00:31:19,511 --> 00:31:23,480
I think that he might have had
some mental illness as well.
673
00:31:23,482 --> 00:31:25,748
Definitely was not in
a good place when he died.
674
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:29,252
Also, there's
a deceased female who's here,
675
00:31:29,254 --> 00:31:31,321
and there's some kind
of strange connection
676
00:31:31,323 --> 00:31:34,825
between them,
and I'm not sure what.
677
00:31:34,827 --> 00:31:37,327
Well, you know,
I got a pretty good idea
678
00:31:37,329 --> 00:31:39,596
of who this guy might have been,
679
00:31:39,598 --> 00:31:41,197
but I want to wait
until you tell us
680
00:31:41,199 --> 00:31:43,133
about the woman you said
he was connected to.
681
00:31:43,135 --> 00:31:47,203
So she's the most dominant
dead person here.
682
00:31:47,205 --> 00:31:49,405
Got that she was in
her 40s or 50s.
683
00:31:49,407 --> 00:31:51,941
I got that she was
from another country,
684
00:31:51,943 --> 00:31:53,477
but I'm not sure where.
685
00:31:53,479 --> 00:31:56,579
She's extremely religious
person.
686
00:31:56,581 --> 00:31:58,215
Extremely.
687
00:31:58,217 --> 00:32:00,484
Got that she was married,
688
00:32:00,486 --> 00:32:02,819
ended up losing
all her money somehow.
689
00:32:02,821 --> 00:32:05,422
And then
it got worse for her
690
00:32:05,424 --> 00:32:07,691
because then
her husband died,
691
00:32:07,693 --> 00:32:10,394
and apparently,
it was a horrible death.
692
00:32:10,396 --> 00:32:15,098
After he died, that was it.
Boom. Everything went to...
693
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:16,900
Now I know who
you're talking about.
694
00:32:16,902 --> 00:32:19,770
So in the 1890s,
there was a European couple
695
00:32:19,772 --> 00:32:21,971
that lived in a cottage
right next to this property.
696
00:32:21,973 --> 00:32:25,375
Now this guy was part of
the Hungarian royal family.
697
00:32:25,377 --> 00:32:26,877
His name was Rudolf Palffy.
698
00:32:26,879 --> 00:32:28,679
Now the expert
I talked to told me
699
00:32:28,681 --> 00:32:30,714
that Rudolf and his brother
were pretty immature.
700
00:32:30,716 --> 00:32:33,649
They basically partied
and spent the father's fortune.
701
00:32:33,651 --> 00:32:35,985
The father went bankrupt
in 1873.
702
00:32:35,987 --> 00:32:38,121
Now the father was so ashamed
by what happened,
703
00:32:38,123 --> 00:32:40,924
he shot and killed himself
a few years later.
704
00:32:40,926 --> 00:32:43,860
Rudolf then went to go live
with his brother, Arthur,
705
00:32:43,862 --> 00:32:46,430
hoping to, you know,
get money off of him,
706
00:32:46,432 --> 00:32:47,931
but he was living in France.
707
00:32:47,933 --> 00:32:50,734
Arthur winds up shooting himself
in the head in 1889
708
00:32:50,736 --> 00:32:51,902
and killing himself.
709
00:32:54,072 --> 00:32:56,406
After Arthur's suicide,
Rudolf married
710
00:32:56,408 --> 00:32:59,176
his dead brother's girlfriend,
Rosalia Zimmerman.
711
00:32:59,178 --> 00:33:01,277
Rudolf's family was pissed
about the marriage
712
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:02,545
for a couple of reasons.
713
00:33:02,547 --> 00:33:04,147
First, he was royalty,
and she wasn't.
714
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:06,015
So the other issue
they had with the marriage
715
00:33:06,017 --> 00:33:09,186
was that family was Catholic,
and she was Jewish.
716
00:33:09,188 --> 00:33:11,355
The expert I talked to said
they wanted a fresh start
717
00:33:11,357 --> 00:33:13,290
and they came to America
from France.
718
00:33:13,292 --> 00:33:14,724
When they did come here, though,
719
00:33:14,726 --> 00:33:17,728
he had the equivalent of what
would have been $140,000,
720
00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:20,263
and he went through it
within a year.
721
00:33:20,265 --> 00:33:22,966
In 1893,
Rudolf goes out drinking
722
00:33:22,968 --> 00:33:24,700
with some of the locals in town.
723
00:33:24,702 --> 00:33:27,170
When he gets home, him and
Rosalia got into a huge fight.
724
00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:29,573
The two were arguing
when he stopped, he said,
725
00:33:29,575 --> 00:33:30,707
"I love you dearly,
726
00:33:30,709 --> 00:33:32,642
but Switzerland cannot
rule Hungary,"
727
00:33:32,644 --> 00:33:35,412
pulls out a pistol
and blows his brains out.
728
00:33:37,383 --> 00:33:39,216
And he did it
right in front of her.
729
00:33:40,386 --> 00:33:42,185
Now you said he was about 30?
730
00:33:42,187 --> 00:33:44,487
He was 32 when he died.
731
00:33:44,489 --> 00:33:46,156
So do you think
this is who you saw?
732
00:33:46,158 --> 00:33:47,524
Yes.
733
00:33:47,526 --> 00:33:50,860
Now you said the dead woman,
his wife, was dominant.
734
00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:53,263
Yeah. She's just bad news.
735
00:33:53,265 --> 00:33:56,933
She's extremely protective
of this house and the land.
736
00:33:58,137 --> 00:34:00,269
She's extremely angry
at the living here,
737
00:34:00,271 --> 00:34:02,138
and one of the things
I saw her doing
738
00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:05,608
was sharpening her fingernails
and scratching living people.
739
00:34:05,610 --> 00:34:09,345
Jen, the scratches,
you and Joseph.
740
00:34:09,347 --> 00:34:13,283
Scratches, bruises,
both me and the 15-year-old.
741
00:34:13,285 --> 00:34:15,152
They seem to come up
in the middle of the night
742
00:34:15,154 --> 00:34:18,221
or just show up out of nowhere.
- Interesting.
743
00:34:18,223 --> 00:34:20,190
The other thing was
that she had died from
744
00:34:20,192 --> 00:34:22,725
some kind of infections,
and now when
745
00:34:22,727 --> 00:34:26,396
she's around living people,
she can make you feel like that.
746
00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:28,331
And I was concerned
about people here
747
00:34:28,333 --> 00:34:31,234
developing random illnesses.
748
00:34:31,236 --> 00:34:34,170
They say I have, like,
reversed immune system,
749
00:34:34,172 --> 00:34:35,839
and they gave me
antibiotics.
750
00:34:35,841 --> 00:34:37,941
I have to take, like,
three, four rounds of it
751
00:34:37,943 --> 00:34:40,843
before anything works.
- Every time she gets a cold,
752
00:34:40,845 --> 00:34:43,180
it almost always
turns into pneumonia.
753
00:34:43,182 --> 00:34:45,548
Now could all of this be
this woman?
754
00:34:45,550 --> 00:34:47,583
Yes.
755
00:34:47,585 --> 00:34:50,921
I saw her in the blue
bedroom upstairs.
756
00:34:50,923 --> 00:34:52,756
That's Joseph's room, right?
757
00:34:52,758 --> 00:34:54,324
I did have a sketch done.
758
00:35:00,999 --> 00:35:02,265
Ooh.
759
00:35:08,606 --> 00:35:10,340
Okay.
760
00:35:19,218 --> 00:35:21,384
Believe me now?
761
00:35:21,386 --> 00:35:22,785
What is she doing to him?
762
00:35:22,787 --> 00:35:24,855
Strangling him.
763
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:29,159
- I know it's tough to look at.
- Yeah, I-I can't.
764
00:35:29,161 --> 00:35:30,493
Here, we'll just turn it over.
765
00:35:35,434 --> 00:35:36,900
I hate to even ask
what else.
766
00:35:36,902 --> 00:35:41,171
There's something here that
has me much more concerned.
767
00:35:41,173 --> 00:35:42,973
- More than this?
- Yeah.
768
00:35:42,975 --> 00:35:46,375
There were these entities
that I saw during my walk.
769
00:35:46,377 --> 00:35:49,112
They looked like
small shadow figures
770
00:35:49,114 --> 00:35:52,048
or small -- They almost
looked like ghosts.
771
00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:53,884
Like if somebody had a child,
772
00:35:53,886 --> 00:35:57,386
dropped a black sheet
on the child...
773
00:35:57,388 --> 00:35:59,523
I've seen them everywhere
around, through the house.
774
00:35:59,525 --> 00:36:01,390
Little kid
with like, you know,
775
00:36:01,392 --> 00:36:04,427
just like you're putting,
like, a blanket over him.
776
00:36:05,931 --> 00:36:07,597
They do make people sick.
777
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,999
When I came into contact
with them upstairs
778
00:36:10,001 --> 00:36:12,602
in the blue room,
I felt like the person,
779
00:36:12,604 --> 00:36:14,070
the living person in there,
780
00:36:14,072 --> 00:36:17,140
would have bouts of
severe nausea
781
00:36:17,142 --> 00:36:18,874
if not vomiting.
782
00:36:18,876 --> 00:36:22,111
So have you guys noticed
anything like that with Joe?
783
00:36:22,113 --> 00:36:24,847
Yes, he comes downstairs
and he's like,
784
00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:26,082
"Can I get an container
or something?
785
00:36:26,084 --> 00:36:27,383
I feel like I'm gonna throw up."
786
00:36:27,385 --> 00:36:30,153
Okay, living people here
would believe
787
00:36:30,155 --> 00:36:31,888
that they're having
nightmares,
788
00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:35,958
but it would be due to
these things influencing them.
789
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,927
When I talk to Joe,
he told me he has
790
00:36:37,929 --> 00:36:40,096
constant nightmares about
a demon attacking him.
791
00:36:40,098 --> 00:36:42,498
He's had these nightmares
for as long as he can remember.
792
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:45,101
These things also
manipulate the living
793
00:36:45,103 --> 00:36:46,302
when they're awake.
794
00:36:46,304 --> 00:36:49,506
I saw this little child,
and his personality
795
00:36:49,508 --> 00:36:52,842
completely changes,
and it just gave me chills
796
00:36:52,844 --> 00:36:54,945
seeing this vision
because it was like,
797
00:36:54,947 --> 00:36:58,114
you knew, like, this wasn't
this kid anymore.
798
00:36:58,116 --> 00:37:00,850
I mean, that's one of
our big things with Joe.
799
00:37:00,852 --> 00:37:02,919
Sometimes I feel like
he's not there.
800
00:37:02,921 --> 00:37:04,787
I don't want to use
the word "possessed,"
801
00:37:04,789 --> 00:37:07,457
but it's the feeling
that I get.
802
00:37:07,459 --> 00:37:11,260
I had a sketch done of what
I saw in the blue bedroom.
803
00:37:18,536 --> 00:37:21,671
I- I gotta show it to you,
even though I don't wanna.
804
00:37:21,673 --> 00:37:24,007
My God.
805
00:37:24,009 --> 00:37:26,543
I don't know what to say.
806
00:37:32,718 --> 00:37:35,084
What the hell are
these things?
807
00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:38,855
I believe that they are
a type of demonic entity.
808
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:43,593
They're very bad.
809
00:37:43,595 --> 00:37:46,229
Well, what about Joseph?
What do they want from him?
810
00:37:46,231 --> 00:37:47,464
They want to possess him.
811
00:37:50,035 --> 00:37:51,500
And I'm always afraid
of Joseph doing
812
00:37:51,502 --> 00:37:54,537
something to hurt himself
or somebody else.
813
00:37:54,539 --> 00:37:57,774
I also saw these things
in the room across the hall.
814
00:37:57,776 --> 00:37:59,775
- Samantha's?
- Samantha's room.
815
00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:03,079
They already had her,
like, from birth.
816
00:38:03,081 --> 00:38:05,715
That's why the activity's
gotten worse.
817
00:38:05,717 --> 00:38:09,452
My God.
818
00:38:09,454 --> 00:38:11,354
- Is she possessed?
- Yeah.
819
00:38:11,356 --> 00:38:14,223
My God.
820
00:38:14,225 --> 00:38:16,926
There's one that's literally
inside her all the time.
821
00:38:36,181 --> 00:38:37,580
So, Jen, you called us in
822
00:38:37,582 --> 00:38:39,615
because you thought the kids
were in danger here.
823
00:38:39,617 --> 00:38:42,985
And I don't know if it was
mother's intuition or what,
824
00:38:42,987 --> 00:38:46,289
but based on what Amy's
told us, you are 100% right.
825
00:38:46,291 --> 00:38:48,191
So now the big question is,
826
00:38:48,193 --> 00:38:51,127
is there a way for you
to save your children,
827
00:38:51,129 --> 00:38:53,329
or do you need to pack up
before someone
828
00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:55,965
gets seriously hurt
and get the hell out of here?
829
00:38:55,967 --> 00:38:58,468
For that answer,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
830
00:39:00,272 --> 00:39:03,539
So, we're going to start
with the dead man.
831
00:39:03,541 --> 00:39:05,541
Talking about Rudolf,
the guy who shot himself?
832
00:39:05,543 --> 00:39:06,809
Right.
833
00:39:06,811 --> 00:39:08,677
So getting him
out of the house,
834
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:11,948
we're going to utilize
tar water.
835
00:39:11,950 --> 00:39:17,087
The tar water forms
a long-lasting barrier
836
00:39:17,089 --> 00:39:21,757
that prevents the dead
from entering your home.
837
00:39:21,759 --> 00:39:24,627
You're also going to be
removing the dead lady.
838
00:39:24,629 --> 00:39:27,730
You mean Rudolf's wife, Rosalia?
Yes.
839
00:39:27,732 --> 00:39:30,600
This one, you're going
to need a medium for.
840
00:39:30,602 --> 00:39:34,604
Someone who is Jewish,
who is also a medium,
841
00:39:34,606 --> 00:39:37,207
who can come and talk to her
842
00:39:37,209 --> 00:39:41,644
and specifically tell her
that she's gotta go.
843
00:39:41,646 --> 00:39:43,880
She's gonna move on
real quick.
844
00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:48,284
Now as far as the demons,
845
00:39:48,286 --> 00:39:50,686
you do need
to set up an exorcism
846
00:39:50,688 --> 00:39:52,956
to take place for Sam.
847
00:39:55,827 --> 00:39:57,426
It could be very traumatic
848
00:39:57,428 --> 00:40:01,097
and this could take
several meetings.
849
00:40:01,099 --> 00:40:03,566
I'm already dreading
just the fact to have to
850
00:40:03,568 --> 00:40:04,967
try to somehow
explain it to her,
851
00:40:04,969 --> 00:40:06,469
let alone put her through it.
852
00:40:06,471 --> 00:40:09,839
It's not like she necessarily
has to be told these things.
853
00:40:09,841 --> 00:40:11,908
For all she knows,
he's just doing
854
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:13,609
- nice little prayers over her.
- Yeah.
855
00:40:13,611 --> 00:40:15,912
So you're saying exorcism
for Sam. Yes.
856
00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:17,246
What about Joseph?
857
00:40:17,248 --> 00:40:20,483
After Sam, then Joseph.
858
00:40:20,485 --> 00:40:22,352
How do you think Joseph's
going to react to this?
859
00:40:22,354 --> 00:40:24,253
I think he's gonna
feel vindicated
860
00:40:24,255 --> 00:40:26,856
and embrace the fight
to get it taken care of.
861
00:40:28,693 --> 00:40:32,395
Okay, once both of the children
have been taken care of,
862
00:40:32,397 --> 00:40:34,630
then the entire house
has to be blessed
863
00:40:34,632 --> 00:40:35,899
as well as the land.
864
00:40:35,901 --> 00:40:37,166
And then every year,
865
00:40:37,168 --> 00:40:39,936
you have to have the house
and the land blessed.
866
00:40:39,938 --> 00:40:42,338
So the exorcism
and then blessing the house
867
00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:43,806
will get rid
of the little demons?
868
00:40:43,808 --> 00:40:45,708
Correct.
869
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:48,677
And so what about their mood
swings and personality changes?
870
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:50,146
Will those get better, too?
871
00:40:50,148 --> 00:40:53,149
Once they're completely done
with absolutely everything,
872
00:40:53,151 --> 00:40:55,051
yeah, it'll be good.
873
00:40:55,053 --> 00:40:56,385
It's funny, when we talked,
874
00:40:56,387 --> 00:40:58,354
you broke my heart actually,
listening to you.
875
00:40:58,356 --> 00:40:59,722
All you wanted was
your kids to be safe
876
00:40:59,724 --> 00:41:01,191
and to save your marriage.
877
00:41:01,193 --> 00:41:04,828
Now she basically gave you
a map on how to do that.
878
00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:07,697
So are you going to do
what Amy tells you to do?
879
00:41:07,699 --> 00:41:08,832
Absolutely.
880
00:41:08,834 --> 00:41:11,467
There's not a question
in my mind.
881
00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:13,336
I can't thank you enough...
882
00:41:15,974 --> 00:41:18,908
'cause it's gotta stop now.
883
00:41:29,187 --> 00:41:31,454
It won't be easy
removing the dead
884
00:41:31,456 --> 00:41:32,855
in Jen and Gary's home,
885
00:41:32,857 --> 00:41:35,658
but with the help
of a medium and tar water,
886
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:37,960
they can be banished.
887
00:41:37,962 --> 00:41:41,664
If they do that and get
Sam and Joe exercised,
888
00:41:41,666 --> 00:41:45,167
this family will find the peace
they've been searching for.
889
00:41:45,217 --> 00:41:49,767
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