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It's all about revenge,
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revenge against people.
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I really think it's
going to kill one us.
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He's going to hit somebody,
push somebody, scratch somebody.
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I have had scratches
from my neck
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down to my back.
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"I'll kill you.
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I'll take you away
from everything you love."
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I think this thing
wants me dead.
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Their life source is being
sucked out of them,
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and they're turning
into mummies.
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This is not a good situation.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's death here.
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Don't wanna go down there.
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I see dead people.
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They hide in the walls
and they watch.
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I speak to dead people...
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She's definitely
a serial killer.
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...and they speak to me.
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She's going to torture them.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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They were all murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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So is this the only time
you've been physically attacked?
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I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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There's no question in my mind
that he was talking about Satan.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Who do you think
possessed you?
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But Steve and I
never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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Well, you're not gonna want
to see this.
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When we uncover if it's safe
for you to stay...
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Hell, no.
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Or time to get out.
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Everyone is in jeopardy.
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I'm up here
in Grant Township, Michigan.
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It's about 70 miles north
of Detroit.
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I got a call from a woman
named Rene.
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Now, she and her husband
have been kicked,
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scratched, choked...
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You name it,
they've got through it.
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She says it's tearing
her family apart,
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and she desperately
needs our help.
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Before Amy arrives,
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I have to remove
any leading information.
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This home has a lot
of antique portraits,
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personal items,
and religious symbols,
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so it's important that I cover
or remove them all.
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When I'm done, the location will
be ready for tonight's walk.
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The first thing is, like,
an earth, elemental thing.
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It's angry and vengeful.
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I think it's something that was
originally part of the Earth,
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and then it split off
and is now just kind of evil.
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It's all about revenge,
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revenge against people.
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So, Rene, when we were
talking on the phone, um,
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it sounded like you were
going through hell here.
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We are living in hell.
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It's attacking myself,
my husband,
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and if we don't get help
to reclaim our house,
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reclaim our lives,
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I really think it's gonna
kill one of us.
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I believe it's evil.
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How long have you lived
in the house?
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Three and a half years.
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My sister actually bought
the house for my husband and I
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so the family could be
close together.
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So, Rene, who lives
in the house?
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It's me, my husband,
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and a family friend
lives with us also.
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Is everybody in the house
being affected?
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Everybody in the house
is being affected,
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but it seems to be mostly
directed at my husband.
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So why do you think that is?
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Because Edward had
a really rough childhood,
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and he's vulnerable
because he's bipolar.
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If you can, give me a list
of what's going on here.
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Well, we hear voices.
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We're seeing shadow figures,
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and we've been having
physical attacks,
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and our health is declining.
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What's the worst
health issue for you?
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Complete lethargy,
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like someone's
just taken my energy
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and wants to live off
what I have.
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All right, so what do you think
whatever's in this house wants?
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I think it just wants
to kill, destroy.
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Tell me how
I can fight and win.
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I want to win.
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There's
this one person here,
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a dead dude,
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who's psycho
and causing problems.
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He looks like a preacher
or a pastor.
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He's really bad.
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He says, "I'm gonna kill you,
and I'm gonna make you
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"...feel the pain of, like,
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saying goodbye
to all of your loved ones."
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So, Rene, I know you're worried
about your husband Edward,
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but what about you?
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What experiences are
you having?
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Things break here
all the time,
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and there's no explanation.
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Now, you got animals
in the house.
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Are you sure
it wasn't them?
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This was happening before
we even got the animals.
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Okay. Anything else?
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Well, my animals have died
without explanation.
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So obviously, like me,
you're an animal lover.
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What do you have here?
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We have dogs. We have cats.
We have chickens.
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We have a couple pigs,
a sheep, and goats.
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If we show any kind of love,
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- this house, it -- it...
- it will know.
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- It will be dead.
- I'm sorry.
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That's okay.
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Okay. Anything else?
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Well, I seen a shadow man
walk across the kitchen.
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Is it something that has a shape
to it, or is it just...
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He has a shape
like Abraham Lincoln.
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How often do you see this?
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We all see it quite a bit.
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All this stuff going on,
how are you dealing with it?
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People
don't really understand.
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And you're supposed
to be safe in your house.
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It's supposed
to be your comfort zone.
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Come here. You'll be all right.
Don't worry about it.
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- We'll fix this, okay?
- Okay.
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I'm seeing
a shadow figure in there.
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I think it's the pastor dude.
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I think the living see him
as a shadow,
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so he's like,
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"I want to show you.
Like, look a what I can do.
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"I can be, you know, project
these images and...with people."
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He's reading their minds.
This is what scares them.
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Like, he's even, like,
like, challenging me.
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"I'll kill you. I'll take you
away from everything you love."
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Okay, Rene, so what's
going on up here?
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I've seen an apparition
of a woman
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sitting on my bed
right there,
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and she just sat down...
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On the edge here?
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...right here,
and just stared at me.
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Her hair was
in a disheveled bun,
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but she had huge teeth.
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All right. So anything else?
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I sometimes get the sensation
as if I'm being choked.
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Okay. So can you
describe it for me?
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It's like somebody
is taking their fingers
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and shoving them
down my throat.
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Anything else physical like that
ever happened to you?
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Yes.
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There have been a couple
of times that I woke up,
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and when I woke up, I felt as
if I'd been punched in the face.
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So I gotta ask, how the hell
are you sleeping
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with all of this going on?
- Well, I barely sleep.
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When I do lay down to sleep,
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I'm just overwhelmed with
all kinds of negative thoughts.
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Me being hurt in car cashes.
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People leaving me, and people
saying that they hate me,
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just feeling abandoned
all the time.
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What the hell
you still doing here?
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Well, I believe my God is
stronger, so I'm gonna fight.
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I won't let it get to the point
where it kills my husband.
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- Okay.
- I know that Jesus can win.
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I know Amy can win.
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It's not good up here.
Mnh-mnh, no.
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It's really bad up here.
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I don't know how...any living
person would come up here.
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The pastor, this is his area.
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The living people here,
I think he tortures them.
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How?
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With nightmares, going, like,
into their dreams.
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He is literally
in their mind, doing this.
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I think that
he would be capable of...
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harming living people up here.
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If he's gonna do anything,
he's gonna hit somebody,
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push somebody, scratch somebody.
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You know what I'm saying?
So this is not good.
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So, Patricia, I understand
you're Rene's sister,
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and you actually bought this
house for her and Edward, right?
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Yes.
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I feel really guilty
because I brought them
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to a place where it's dark.
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So what about you, Patricia?
Any experiences?
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- Yes.
- Okay.
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In the hallway,
I saw a shadow figure,
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and I thought it was Eddie,
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but come to find out,
he was sound asleep in the bed,
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and there was nobody
in the hallway.
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Talking to Rene, she's pretty
convinced that whatever is here
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is trying to kill
or really hurt Edward.
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- Do you agree with that?
- Yeah.
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Eddie is very vulnerable,
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and his history with
his family is horrific.
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It attacks the vulnerable.
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This pastor is like, "I can
do this. This is my domain.
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I can do this."
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You know, he's like,
"I can be everywhere,
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and I can be nowhere,"
and I do think he can.
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He goes, "I see their fears."
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This shadow person
that I saw here,
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sitting here, it looked like,
almost like a man.
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It's something familiar
to the living people here.
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That it would be like...
"That's so-and-so,"
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and somehow slightly familiar
where it's disturbing.
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He likes to...
twist that knife.
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So, Edward, I was talking
to your wife, Rene,
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and she was telling me
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that she thinks you're,
like, the target here.
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- I mean, do you agree with that?
- Yes, I do.
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I think that whatever is here
is focusing in on me.
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So tell me
about your experiences.
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What have you had?
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I've seen shadow figures
in our bathroom,
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blocked out the window
for half a second,
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and I thought, "What
in the world was that?"
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Sure it couldn't have been
maybe a car going by
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or somebody walking
along the road?
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No. No way.
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Our windows are very high up,
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so it's not like
it was somebody outside
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that had passed the window.
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Okay.
What else is going on?
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I have been
physically attacked.
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I have had scratches
from my neck down
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to my back and bruises.
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What kind of bruises?
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I would wake up, on my legs,
big bruises,
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and not have a clue
as to where they come from.
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Gone to the doctor's
about this? Yeah. Yeah.
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And he says,
"You're healthy as a horse."
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Anything else going on
as far as physical attacks?
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One time, I was walking
through my kitchen.
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It felt like I got
kicked in the stomach,
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and I flew back about 15 feet
and hit my head on the table,
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and just about
knocked myself out.
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You could've been killed.
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I'm afraid for my life
in this house.
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I feel very confined,
just, like,
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something is just
around me all the time
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and won't leave me.
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This pastor,
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now he's showing me
more the image of him --
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cape, hat,
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very tall,
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covering the, lights,
251
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end of the hall.
252
00:12:35,539 --> 00:12:37,238
So I'm thinking that
this is an image
253
00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,174
that this person would see.
254
00:12:40,176 --> 00:12:43,912
This living person feels
trapped by
255
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this -- this presence.
256
00:12:46,216 --> 00:12:49,918
Interesting that as soon as
I try to tap the living here,
257
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I'm having issues.
258
00:12:52,822 --> 00:12:56,558
Something important out there.
259
00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:58,993
They don't want me to see it.
260
00:12:58,995 --> 00:13:02,263
I feel like it's still, like,
a living person
261
00:13:02,265 --> 00:13:05,199
that doesn't want me to...
262
00:13:05,201 --> 00:13:08,570
deal with that
or see that or something.
263
00:13:08,572 --> 00:13:10,572
This is something personal,
264
00:13:10,574 --> 00:13:12,440
something they're
connected with.
265
00:13:12,442 --> 00:13:15,276
It's something they
don't want...
266
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Maybe their emotional issues.
267
00:13:19,482 --> 00:13:21,983
Rene explained that you had
some mental issues
268
00:13:21,985 --> 00:13:24,385
from a tough childhood.
- Yeah.
269
00:13:24,387 --> 00:13:27,188
My mother
was clinically insane.
270
00:13:27,190 --> 00:13:30,224
I was put in the orphanage
at the age of 1.
271
00:13:30,226 --> 00:13:33,861
I didn't get adopted
until I was 9 years old.
272
00:13:33,863 --> 00:13:36,564
My father,
he murdered my brothers.
273
00:13:38,535 --> 00:13:43,871
They were 23 months old,
started the house on fire.
274
00:13:43,873 --> 00:13:46,808
You're breaking my heart,
listening to this story.
275
00:13:46,810 --> 00:13:49,377
Do you think because of
your traumatic background
276
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that you're vulnerable?
277
00:13:51,581 --> 00:13:53,514
Yes, I do,
278
00:13:53,516 --> 00:13:57,318
and I think this thing
attacks the vulnerable.
279
00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,088
So would you say that
your mental state
280
00:14:00,090 --> 00:14:02,223
has really deteriorated more
since you moved in here?
281
00:14:02,225 --> 00:14:04,659
- Yes. Yes. Absolutely.
- Okay.
282
00:14:06,930 --> 00:14:08,429
It makes me sick.
283
00:14:08,431 --> 00:14:11,099
This house -- I've gotten,
just for no reason,
284
00:14:11,101 --> 00:14:13,368
I'll run to the bathroom
and get sick.
285
00:14:13,370 --> 00:14:15,269
What do you think
whatever here wants?
286
00:14:15,271 --> 00:14:18,740
I think it's trying
to steal my soul.
287
00:14:18,742 --> 00:14:21,042
I think this thing
wants me dead.
288
00:14:23,413 --> 00:14:27,582
This elemental thing
I saw earlier is bad news.
289
00:14:27,584 --> 00:14:32,820
It makes people sick
and it makes people angry.
290
00:14:32,822 --> 00:14:37,525
Damn. And it -- it --
it causes, um, anxiety.
291
00:14:37,527 --> 00:14:40,495
That thing makes them
more vulnerable.
292
00:14:40,497 --> 00:14:43,064
It wants to kill
a living person here.
293
00:14:43,066 --> 00:14:45,066
One thing it kept
showing me was, like,
294
00:14:45,068 --> 00:14:48,403
sacrificing someone
in the house.
295
00:15:01,925 --> 00:15:04,926
So my old friend and author
T.J. Gaffney called me
296
00:15:04,928 --> 00:15:06,261
when he heard I was in town
297
00:15:06,263 --> 00:15:08,430
investigating
Rene and Edward's house.
298
00:15:08,432 --> 00:15:10,065
Now he did some digging for me
299
00:15:10,067 --> 00:15:12,968
and says one of the original
owners of the property
300
00:15:12,970 --> 00:15:16,405
had nothing but years
of death and bad luck.
301
00:15:21,512 --> 00:15:23,078
Well, T.J., it's good
to see you again.
302
00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,380
You mentioned on the phone that
this Balmer family had nothing
303
00:15:25,382 --> 00:15:27,549
but bad luck when they got
on my clients' property,
304
00:15:27,551 --> 00:15:29,284
but before we get to that,
who are these people,
305
00:15:29,286 --> 00:15:30,652
and when did they get there?
306
00:15:30,654 --> 00:15:32,721
Well, Alexander Balmer
is a Scottish immigrant
307
00:15:32,723 --> 00:15:35,090
who moves to the area
in 1851.
308
00:15:35,092 --> 00:15:36,458
Okay.
309
00:15:36,460 --> 00:15:39,628
He buys 80 acres that includes
your clients' property,
310
00:15:39,630 --> 00:15:42,464
and they move into
and build a log cabin,
311
00:15:42,466 --> 00:15:44,633
just like the one
we see over here,
312
00:15:44,635 --> 00:15:49,037
with his wife Isabella
and 12 kids.
313
00:15:49,039 --> 00:15:51,473
- In -- in a cabin that size?
- In a cabin that size.
314
00:15:51,475 --> 00:15:53,175
What do they do
with the property?
315
00:15:53,177 --> 00:15:55,377
Well, he's a farmer,
and as you know, back then,
316
00:15:55,379 --> 00:15:57,012
farming was a tough life.
317
00:15:57,014 --> 00:16:01,783
Alexander passes away in 1887
at the age of 84,
318
00:16:01,785 --> 00:16:04,820
and it all starts to go
downhill from there.
319
00:16:04,822 --> 00:16:06,421
What happens with the farm?
320
00:16:06,423 --> 00:16:08,590
Well, it passes
to his son Andrew.
321
00:16:08,592 --> 00:16:10,425
And how does it go for him?
322
00:16:10,427 --> 00:16:11,827
Well, not well.
323
00:16:11,829 --> 00:16:15,797
About 3 years later, his mom
passes away on the farm as well.
324
00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:17,966
Okay, so do we know
what she dies from?
325
00:16:17,968 --> 00:16:19,401
Unfortunately not.
326
00:16:19,403 --> 00:16:21,970
There's no death record
that we've been able to find.
327
00:16:21,972 --> 00:16:23,672
He's got the property.
328
00:16:23,674 --> 00:16:25,907
Both the parents are gone,
so it's his free and clear.
329
00:16:25,909 --> 00:16:27,409
Well, not totally.
330
00:16:27,411 --> 00:16:30,145
He's got three spinster sisters
he's got to take care of.
331
00:16:30,147 --> 00:16:32,380
It's so bad for him
that he never marries,
332
00:16:32,382 --> 00:16:34,683
never gets to start
a family of his own.
333
00:16:38,255 --> 00:16:42,524
I'm getting
so much loss and sadness.
334
00:16:42,526 --> 00:16:45,494
I saw bunches of dead bodies.
335
00:16:48,532 --> 00:16:52,434
I think it has something to do
with this elemental thing.
336
00:16:52,436 --> 00:16:53,768
What does it look like?
337
00:16:53,770 --> 00:16:56,538
Like a cross between
338
00:16:56,540 --> 00:16:59,274
an insect, a snake,
339
00:16:59,276 --> 00:17:02,711
and a tree.
340
00:17:02,713 --> 00:17:05,347
I think it doesn't like
living people.
341
00:17:05,349 --> 00:17:06,715
The other thing
it showed me is that
342
00:17:06,717 --> 00:17:09,150
it can make minis of itself,
343
00:17:09,152 --> 00:17:14,222
and these smaller beings can
be dispatched to do...
344
00:17:14,224 --> 00:17:15,924
bad things,
345
00:17:15,926 --> 00:17:18,894
I'm thinking to the living,
to make them leave.
346
00:17:22,165 --> 00:17:23,498
All right.
347
00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:25,100
So Andrew is there with his
three spinster sisters,
348
00:17:25,102 --> 00:17:27,469
and he's got the farm.
I mean, what happens now?
349
00:17:27,471 --> 00:17:29,804
Well, in 1913, we get
one of the biggest storms
350
00:17:29,806 --> 00:17:32,741
to ever hit the state.
- Okay.
351
00:17:32,743 --> 00:17:36,444
It was so devastating that
the farm never really recovers.
352
00:17:36,446 --> 00:17:38,046
So what happens after that?
353
00:17:38,048 --> 00:17:39,748
Well, one of
the sisters, Janet,
354
00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:43,652
ends up passing later that year
of an abdominal aneurysm.
355
00:17:43,654 --> 00:17:44,920
All right,
says here she was 71.
356
00:17:44,922 --> 00:17:47,255
- Did she die on the property?
- Yes.
357
00:17:47,257 --> 00:17:48,523
What happens with
the other two sisters?
358
00:17:48,525 --> 00:17:51,993
Isabell ends up passing away
3 years after that.
359
00:17:51,995 --> 00:17:55,797
She ends up dying from,
an intestinal cancer,
360
00:17:55,799 --> 00:17:58,166
and again, she passes away
on the property.
361
00:17:58,168 --> 00:17:59,434
Okay, so there's
one sister left.
362
00:17:59,436 --> 00:18:00,802
Does he just cut his losses
363
00:18:00,804 --> 00:18:03,371
and sell the property
with his sister and move on?
364
00:18:03,373 --> 00:18:06,474
Nope. He stays on the property
right until the end of his life,
365
00:18:06,476 --> 00:18:10,645
passes away in 1928 from
pneumonia, also on the property.
366
00:18:10,647 --> 00:18:11,813
You weren't kidding
when you said
367
00:18:11,815 --> 00:18:13,315
their family had
a lot of bad luck.
368
00:18:13,317 --> 00:18:14,482
It seems like every time,
you know,
369
00:18:14,484 --> 00:18:15,650
they started to get ahead
370
00:18:15,652 --> 00:18:18,386
or were moving
in a positive direction,
371
00:18:18,388 --> 00:18:20,455
something negative
happens to 'em.
372
00:18:24,194 --> 00:18:27,128
The elemental thing lives
in this tree.
373
00:18:27,130 --> 00:18:29,497
It's impacting
the living directly.
374
00:18:29,499 --> 00:18:30,565
How?
375
00:18:30,567 --> 00:18:33,668
I hear, "Break things.
Make it hard."
376
00:18:33,670 --> 00:18:35,604
Things will go horribly wrong,
377
00:18:35,606 --> 00:18:38,239
like, you know,
the sewer system went.
378
00:18:38,241 --> 00:18:40,875
Not only did that happen,
but also the car broke.
379
00:18:40,877 --> 00:18:46,081
And not only did that happen,
but also all the TVs exploded.
380
00:18:46,083 --> 00:18:49,651
It's obviously impeding
their lives. It's that bad.
381
00:18:49,653 --> 00:18:50,986
Why is it doing this?
382
00:18:50,988 --> 00:18:53,355
It's saying that the living
started this,
383
00:18:53,357 --> 00:18:56,157
and now it's acting on...
384
00:18:56,159 --> 00:18:58,693
this revenge.
385
00:19:01,131 --> 00:19:02,831
So before
I even got into town,
386
00:19:02,833 --> 00:19:04,499
I reached out to
a local genealogist
387
00:19:04,501 --> 00:19:06,701
and had him start looking
for the property's history.
388
00:19:06,703 --> 00:19:10,805
Now, he just called back
and said, "In the last 50 years,
389
00:19:10,807 --> 00:19:13,308
"four people have died
on Rene and Edward's property,
390
00:19:13,310 --> 00:19:16,011
and two of 'em, way too young."
391
00:19:20,417 --> 00:19:22,550
Well, Walt, it's good
to see you again.
392
00:19:22,552 --> 00:19:24,386
You mentioned on the phone
there were four deaths
393
00:19:24,388 --> 00:19:26,788
in about 50 years in connection
with my clients' property.
394
00:19:26,790 --> 00:19:28,823
- Yes.
- What's the first one?
395
00:19:28,825 --> 00:19:31,826
Well, it was a young couple,
John and Barbara Grimm.
396
00:19:31,828 --> 00:19:34,763
They bought
the property in 1963.
397
00:19:34,765 --> 00:19:40,602
Tragically, in 1967, Barbara was
diagnosed with ovarian cancer.
398
00:19:40,604 --> 00:19:44,139
Two weeks after the diagnosis,
she died in the hospital.
399
00:19:44,141 --> 00:19:46,741
She was only 43 years old.
400
00:19:46,743 --> 00:19:48,476
Okay, so what happened
to the husband?
401
00:19:48,478 --> 00:19:50,812
He started drinking heavily,
402
00:19:50,814 --> 00:19:56,351
and five years after her death,
in 1972, he sold the property.
403
00:19:56,353 --> 00:19:58,620
Three years after that,
tragically,
404
00:19:58,622 --> 00:20:01,089
he died of
cirrhosis of the liver.
405
00:20:01,091 --> 00:20:03,191
He was only 55 years old.
406
00:20:03,193 --> 00:20:04,993
So that's two
pretty young, sad deaths.
407
00:20:04,995 --> 00:20:06,261
What about the other two?
408
00:20:06,263 --> 00:20:09,030
The third death was a homemaker,
Marguerite Girardi.
409
00:20:09,032 --> 00:20:14,302
She died in 1999 of
a heart attack on the property.
410
00:20:14,304 --> 00:20:17,505
She was 67 years old.
411
00:20:17,507 --> 00:20:19,240
All right.
So what about the fourth one?
412
00:20:19,242 --> 00:20:21,476
The fourth was
a World War II veteran,
413
00:20:21,478 --> 00:20:22,977
Chester Ulrich.
414
00:20:22,979 --> 00:20:26,081
He had bought
the property in 2002,
415
00:20:26,083 --> 00:20:28,883
and three months later,
he died.
416
00:20:28,885 --> 00:20:31,052
He'd also died
of a heart attack.
417
00:20:31,054 --> 00:20:33,421
You know, Walt, I just talked to
another guy a little while ago,
418
00:20:33,423 --> 00:20:34,823
and he told me
about five deaths
419
00:20:34,825 --> 00:20:36,391
associated with
the Balmer family
420
00:20:36,393 --> 00:20:37,826
that used to live
on the property,
421
00:20:37,828 --> 00:20:39,694
and with this four,
that makes nine.
422
00:20:39,696 --> 00:20:42,197
- That's a lot.
- I agree.
423
00:20:45,135 --> 00:20:48,703
A lot of whatever
it's doing now is revenge.
424
00:20:48,705 --> 00:20:51,673
What does this elemental
thing do to the living?
425
00:20:51,675 --> 00:20:54,709
It gets its energy from
the living,
426
00:20:54,711 --> 00:20:57,545
like, energy vampire
kind of thing, I think.
427
00:21:00,383 --> 00:21:02,250
So how would the living
be affected?
428
00:21:02,252 --> 00:21:05,720
It would drain them.
It makes people sick.
429
00:21:05,722 --> 00:21:08,790
Their life source, like,
is being sucked out of them,
430
00:21:08,792 --> 00:21:10,458
and they're turning
into mummies.
431
00:21:10,460 --> 00:21:13,595
It's almost like the person's,
like, dehydrating
432
00:21:13,597 --> 00:21:15,597
and, like, starving to death,
433
00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:18,600
so then it would affect living
people's organs after a while,
434
00:21:18,602 --> 00:21:21,736
so, like, kidney function,
neurological,
435
00:21:21,738 --> 00:21:23,404
like, issues, okay?
436
00:21:23,406 --> 00:21:26,407
I feel like I was having
a heart attack.
437
00:21:26,409 --> 00:21:29,344
After a while of consistently
being exposed to this thing,
438
00:21:29,346 --> 00:21:31,446
the body's not able
to stabilize itself.
439
00:21:31,448 --> 00:21:34,015
The body shuts down.
People die.
440
00:21:40,757 --> 00:21:43,024
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441
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442
00:21:44,661 --> 00:21:46,394
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443
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444
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445
00:21:52,002 --> 00:21:53,168
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446
00:22:00,260 --> 00:22:02,860
So far, I've got clients
being physically attacked
447
00:22:02,862 --> 00:22:06,197
on a property connected
to nine deaths,
448
00:22:06,199 --> 00:22:08,833
but I want to see
if there's anything else.
449
00:22:08,835 --> 00:22:11,869
Searching through old records,
I come across a gruesome murder
450
00:22:11,871 --> 00:22:15,173
where a husband bludgeoned
his wife to death.
451
00:22:15,175 --> 00:22:17,642
Turns out, the homicide
took place less than a mile
452
00:22:17,644 --> 00:22:19,477
from Rene and Edward's property.
453
00:22:19,479 --> 00:22:20,712
I'm meeting a local historian
454
00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:22,947
who says the story
of this murder is so crazy,
455
00:22:22,949 --> 00:22:24,616
it could be made into a movie.
456
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:31,122
Well, Chris, thanks
for meeting with me.
457
00:22:31,124 --> 00:22:32,490
I appreciate it.
458
00:22:32,492 --> 00:22:34,559
This crazy murder you talked
about to me on the phone,
459
00:22:34,561 --> 00:22:36,928
before we get to it, what do
we know about the perpetrator?
460
00:22:36,930 --> 00:22:39,030
Well, his name is
Elmer Smith.
461
00:22:39,032 --> 00:22:41,766
He had a 208-acre farm
about 3/4 mile
462
00:22:41,768 --> 00:22:43,234
from where you guys are
investigating.
463
00:22:43,236 --> 00:22:45,236
He's got a psycho look
on his face.
464
00:22:45,238 --> 00:22:47,071
You think that's bad,
wait until you see his wife.
465
00:22:47,073 --> 00:22:48,139
Really?
466
00:22:48,141 --> 00:22:51,175
In 1937, Elmer marries
Helen Forrest.
467
00:22:51,177 --> 00:22:53,311
She moves on the farm
right away.
468
00:22:53,313 --> 00:22:55,013
As soon as she moved
on the property,
469
00:22:55,015 --> 00:22:57,482
the two began
to fight constantly.
470
00:22:57,484 --> 00:22:59,050
Now they're only married
not even a year,
471
00:22:59,052 --> 00:23:02,420
and she's already
filing for divorce.
472
00:23:02,422 --> 00:23:03,921
Now, Chris, take me
to the day of the murder.
473
00:23:03,923 --> 00:23:05,189
What happened?
474
00:23:05,191 --> 00:23:08,192
Well, on Thanksgiving night,
November 24, 1938,
475
00:23:08,194 --> 00:23:11,162
it all kind of came to a head
when a huge argument broke out
476
00:23:11,164 --> 00:23:12,997
between them
about how the farm
477
00:23:12,999 --> 00:23:14,966
was gonna be settled
in the divorce.
478
00:23:14,968 --> 00:23:16,968
The argument raised to the point
where she comes at him
479
00:23:16,970 --> 00:23:20,438
with a kitchen knife, screaming,
"I've got murder in my heart!"
480
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,373
Okay.
481
00:23:22,375 --> 00:23:24,208
Well, he picks up a piece
of wood from the stove,
482
00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:26,010
hits her upside
of the head with it,
483
00:23:26,012 --> 00:23:28,112
and murders her.
484
00:23:28,114 --> 00:23:29,347
Does he confess?
485
00:23:29,349 --> 00:23:31,349
Well, not right away.
He panics.
486
00:23:31,351 --> 00:23:34,218
He takes the piece of wood,
her clothing, and burns it.
487
00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:37,121
Then he takes the body,
puts it in a large burlap bag,
488
00:23:37,123 --> 00:23:38,656
takes it to the back end
of the farm,
489
00:23:38,658 --> 00:23:40,958
and drops it
in an abandoned well.
490
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,827
So obviously,
he gets arrested,
491
00:23:42,829 --> 00:23:44,128
so they must have
found the body.
492
00:23:44,130 --> 00:23:46,798
- What happened?
- Well, he cracks under pressure,
493
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,000
and he admits to the whole
thing to the sheriff,
494
00:23:49,002 --> 00:23:51,436
and tells them
where the body is at.
495
00:23:51,438 --> 00:23:53,871
Okay, so now, Chris,
does he plead out
496
00:23:53,873 --> 00:23:55,540
or does he go to trial?
497
00:23:55,542 --> 00:23:57,975
There's a 2-week-long
jury trial.
498
00:23:57,977 --> 00:23:59,677
Okay, so what happened?
He gets convicted?
499
00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:01,546
The jury acquits him
of the murder.
500
00:24:01,548 --> 00:24:02,747
They acquit him?
501
00:24:02,749 --> 00:24:04,749
The minister
of the Methodist church
502
00:24:04,751 --> 00:24:06,484
that he attended
testified that
503
00:24:06,486 --> 00:24:08,753
he was a religious man
and well-respected,
504
00:24:08,755 --> 00:24:11,622
a mild-mannered individual
who attended church regularly
505
00:24:11,624 --> 00:24:13,124
until the time of the murder.
506
00:24:13,126 --> 00:24:16,160
- So now, he's acquitted.
- Yes.
507
00:24:16,162 --> 00:24:17,428
Does he stay on the property,
get married again?
508
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:18,629
What happens to this guy?
509
00:24:18,631 --> 00:24:20,832
As far as I know,
he stays on the property,
510
00:24:20,834 --> 00:24:23,434
and he lives to the ripe
old age of 72 years old,
511
00:24:23,436 --> 00:24:25,737
passing away in 1955.
512
00:24:25,739 --> 00:24:27,505
There's his death certificate.
513
00:24:27,507 --> 00:24:29,540
He wind up getting away
with murder.
514
00:24:29,542 --> 00:24:30,808
You're right.
515
00:24:30,810 --> 00:24:33,578
This could be made into
a movie of the week.
516
00:24:33,580 --> 00:24:37,215
I'm trying to get more on
who this pastor guy was in life.
517
00:24:37,217 --> 00:24:40,852
He's got the Bible in his left
hand, and he wears this outfit,
518
00:24:40,854 --> 00:24:42,220
you know, like the pastors
used to wear
519
00:24:42,222 --> 00:24:44,322
with the big black hat
and the black suit.
520
00:24:44,324 --> 00:24:45,757
Do you get any time period?
521
00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:50,128
I'm gonna place him
in 1940 or on.
522
00:24:50,130 --> 00:24:52,330
Do you know if he has
some connection to the property?
523
00:24:52,332 --> 00:24:55,266
I feel like there was
a different structure,
524
00:24:55,268 --> 00:24:58,069
but he is associating
himself with this place.
525
00:24:58,071 --> 00:24:59,537
I don't know why, yet.
526
00:24:59,539 --> 00:25:02,039
I don't know, so I guess,
he's, like, a psychopath.
527
00:25:08,148 --> 00:25:09,781
And there's another
dead person here.
528
00:25:09,783 --> 00:25:11,416
It's a female.
529
00:25:11,418 --> 00:25:13,918
It's, I think, like,
maybe a wife?
530
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,787
It feels like they might
have been married,
531
00:25:15,789 --> 00:25:18,790
but it wouldn't have been
a real marriage.
532
00:25:20,326 --> 00:25:22,160
I don't know how this person
who died in here died,
533
00:25:22,162 --> 00:25:23,928
but it was not good,
and I'm freaking out
534
00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:26,731
because it was, like,
a struggle.
535
00:25:29,102 --> 00:25:30,735
He's yelling at her.
536
00:25:30,737 --> 00:25:33,438
I could say he was abusive.
537
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,208
I'm seeing him throw
this chick out, outside.
538
00:25:38,511 --> 00:25:41,813
Something about the floors...
Mnh-mnh-mnh.
539
00:25:41,815 --> 00:25:43,114
He's like, "I keep trying
to clean 'em,
540
00:25:43,116 --> 00:25:44,382
"and I can't get 'em clean.
541
00:25:44,384 --> 00:25:46,284
I can't get 'em clean.
I can't get 'em clean."
542
00:25:46,286 --> 00:25:47,819
I think he killed her.
543
00:25:47,821 --> 00:25:49,253
Boom. Done.
544
00:25:56,362 --> 00:25:59,864
I saw a lot of disturbing
things during my walk,
545
00:25:59,866 --> 00:26:01,899
but two stood out.
546
00:26:01,901 --> 00:26:04,802
First, the vengeful creature
I saw outside.
547
00:26:04,804 --> 00:26:08,372
He has created himself
in the image of the tree,
548
00:26:08,374 --> 00:26:11,242
so his skin takes
on the bark appearance.
549
00:26:11,244 --> 00:26:12,510
All right.
550
00:26:12,512 --> 00:26:14,912
His face is
more insect-looking.
551
00:26:14,914 --> 00:26:17,181
There's no nose or mouth
or anything,
552
00:26:17,183 --> 00:26:20,284
and it's kind of
a V-shaped.
553
00:26:20,286 --> 00:26:23,821
Next, I described
the angry pastor.
554
00:26:23,823 --> 00:26:25,656
He has the black jacket
555
00:26:25,658 --> 00:26:28,559
and a white,
buttoned-up shirt.
556
00:26:28,561 --> 00:26:32,330
It's got
that wide-brimmed hat.
557
00:26:32,332 --> 00:26:34,699
Looks like he's been,
like, beat up.
558
00:26:39,706 --> 00:26:41,672
Amy, is this who you saw?
559
00:26:41,674 --> 00:26:42,840
Yes.
560
00:27:02,454 --> 00:27:05,355
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
561
00:27:05,357 --> 00:27:07,457
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
562
00:27:07,459 --> 00:27:09,993
and our clients
for the first time.
563
00:27:09,995 --> 00:27:13,129
Well, Amy, I'd like you to meet
Rene and her husband Edward.
564
00:27:13,131 --> 00:27:15,565
Now we're sitting here,
so obviously,
565
00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:17,233
the activity
in this place is bad.
566
00:27:17,235 --> 00:27:20,070
In fact, Rene told me
it's tearing their family apart.
567
00:27:20,072 --> 00:27:21,471
But the real reason
she called us in
568
00:27:21,473 --> 00:27:23,873
is because she thinks
that whatever is here is deadly,
569
00:27:23,875 --> 00:27:26,276
and she's convinced
it's going after Edward.
570
00:27:26,278 --> 00:27:28,345
So now I've introduced
Amy to you guys,
571
00:27:28,347 --> 00:27:30,180
I'm going to ask her
to describe her walk with us.
572
00:27:33,285 --> 00:27:37,087
Interestingly enough,
on this particular walk,
573
00:27:37,089 --> 00:27:42,025
a living person actually
put a little bit of a block up
574
00:27:42,027 --> 00:27:46,596
so that I couldn't get a lot
of, like, personal things.
575
00:27:46,598 --> 00:27:50,934
I got that this person has
a lot of emotional issues
576
00:27:50,936 --> 00:27:54,804
that they don't want
to deal with or discuss.
577
00:27:54,806 --> 00:27:56,840
So you know I told you
how Rene thinks
578
00:27:56,842 --> 00:27:58,775
Edward's the target, right?
- Right.
579
00:27:58,777 --> 00:28:00,110
Well, she also thinks
580
00:28:00,112 --> 00:28:02,612
it's because Edward's got
some emotional problems.
581
00:28:02,614 --> 00:28:04,514
Okay.
582
00:28:04,516 --> 00:28:09,753
My father murdered
my two brothers in a fire.
583
00:28:09,755 --> 00:28:13,890
I spent 81/2 years
in an orphanage.
584
00:28:13,892 --> 00:28:17,127
It has been a struggle.
585
00:28:17,129 --> 00:28:21,064
It feels like the world
is on top of me.
586
00:28:21,066 --> 00:28:24,667
Amy, do you think Edward
is the person that blocked you?
587
00:28:24,669 --> 00:28:26,069
It's possible.
588
00:28:26,071 --> 00:28:29,372
It's something that you might
be doing inadvertently
589
00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:31,775
as a protection measure
for yourself.
590
00:28:34,613 --> 00:28:36,813
What else was going on?
591
00:28:36,815 --> 00:28:39,749
One of the things
that I saw during my walk
592
00:28:39,751 --> 00:28:42,585
was a deceased female,
593
00:28:42,587 --> 00:28:46,122
and I saw her in
the upstairs bedroom,
594
00:28:46,124 --> 00:28:47,757
the very back one.
595
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:49,325
That's their bedroom.
596
00:28:49,327 --> 00:28:52,162
She was going through
extreme despair,
597
00:28:52,164 --> 00:28:56,633
and also, I think if anybody
was even slightly sensitive,
598
00:28:56,635 --> 00:28:59,569
they would occasionally
see her.
599
00:28:59,571 --> 00:29:03,840
So, Rene, you told me about
the woman you saw in your bed.
600
00:29:03,842 --> 00:29:05,542
Tell Amy about that.
601
00:29:05,544 --> 00:29:07,911
She turned and looked at me,
602
00:29:07,913 --> 00:29:11,047
and had these, like,
piranha teeth,
603
00:29:11,049 --> 00:29:14,417
and then
she just faded away.
604
00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:16,686
You get any idea who this woman
might have been?
605
00:29:16,688 --> 00:29:19,656
I believe that she was
the wife of a dead male
606
00:29:19,658 --> 00:29:22,358
that is in this house.
607
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,295
I was able to get a lot more
on him than her.
608
00:29:25,297 --> 00:29:27,163
This is not a good guy.
609
00:29:27,165 --> 00:29:30,700
I got that he was from
probably around 1940,
610
00:29:30,702 --> 00:29:33,803
and he kept showing me
a different structure,
611
00:29:33,805 --> 00:29:34,971
but for some reason,
612
00:29:34,973 --> 00:29:38,074
he was associating himself
with this place.
613
00:29:38,076 --> 00:29:41,478
He was wearing a black suit,
round, black hat.
614
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,581
His dress reminded me
of a pastor's dress,
615
00:29:44,583 --> 00:29:47,150
and he kind of claimed
to be a man of God.
616
00:29:47,152 --> 00:29:49,018
And then I got that
at some point,
617
00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:52,255
he changed direction
in his life.
618
00:29:52,257 --> 00:29:54,958
He's extremely angry,
very abusive,
619
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,360
had some serious issues
with his wife.
620
00:29:57,362 --> 00:29:58,928
It didn't feel like
a real marriage.
621
00:29:58,930 --> 00:30:01,397
I saw them fighting
in the back room.
622
00:30:01,399 --> 00:30:03,466
I saw her falling
to the ground.
623
00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:06,703
I saw him throwing her out
of the door and yelling at her.
624
00:30:06,705 --> 00:30:09,038
The woman kept saying,
"I want to die. I want to die."
625
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,443
And then I saw the man trying
to clean the floors inside,
626
00:30:13,445 --> 00:30:15,745
and then he was screaming
at me to get out.
627
00:30:15,747 --> 00:30:16,980
Like, he didn't want me
to see
628
00:30:16,982 --> 00:30:20,483
what the hell
was going on there.
629
00:30:20,485 --> 00:30:22,585
That's pretty interesting stuff
she's just talking about... Wow.
630
00:30:22,587 --> 00:30:24,254
because she reminds me
of a homicide
631
00:30:24,256 --> 00:30:28,258
I came across in my research
that happened about 3/4-mile
632
00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:31,227
from where your house is.
633
00:30:31,229 --> 00:30:34,230
Perp was a guy named
Elmer Smith. He was 55.
634
00:30:34,232 --> 00:30:38,568
In 1937, Smith married
a woman named Helen Forrest.
635
00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:40,003
Now as soon as she moved there,
636
00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:42,238
they started fighting
like cats and dogs,
637
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,439
and after less then a year,
638
00:30:43,441 --> 00:30:45,475
Helen told Elmer
she wanted a divorce.
639
00:30:45,477 --> 00:30:49,178
On Thanksgiving night,
November 24, 1938,
640
00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:51,648
Elmer and Helen
had a horrible fight.
641
00:30:51,650 --> 00:30:54,350
Things got violent,
and Helen grabbed a knife.
642
00:30:54,352 --> 00:30:56,519
Elmer grabs
a piece of firewood...
643
00:30:56,521 --> 00:31:00,256
...and bashes her brain in
and kills her.
644
00:31:00,258 --> 00:31:01,491
The guy you saw
was cleaning the floor
645
00:31:01,493 --> 00:31:04,227
and trying to hide something
from you, right?
646
00:31:04,229 --> 00:31:06,496
Yeah.
Elmer tried to cover up the homicide.
647
00:31:06,498 --> 00:31:09,966
He took Helen's clothes
and the wood
648
00:31:09,968 --> 00:31:11,701
that he bashed her brains in
with, and he burned it.
649
00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:13,002
No.
650
00:31:13,004 --> 00:31:16,005
Then he put Helen's body
into a burlap bag
651
00:31:16,007 --> 00:31:19,475
and basically dumped it down
an old well on the property.
652
00:31:19,477 --> 00:31:23,413
In March of 1939,
he got acquitted by a jury.
653
00:31:23,415 --> 00:31:25,782
Turns out, he was very
well-liked in the community.
654
00:31:25,784 --> 00:31:27,517
In fact,
the local Methodist minister
655
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:29,586
spoke on Elmer's behalf.
656
00:31:29,588 --> 00:31:31,154
Now, Amy,
you said the guy you saw
657
00:31:31,156 --> 00:31:33,056
was a man of God
until they went crazy.
658
00:31:33,058 --> 00:31:35,091
Well, the minister said in court
659
00:31:35,093 --> 00:31:39,495
that Elmer was in church every
week up until the homicide,
660
00:31:39,497 --> 00:31:41,164
then he stopped going.
661
00:31:41,166 --> 00:31:45,034
Now I was able to track down
a photo of Elmer.
662
00:31:45,036 --> 00:31:48,771
He's a real peachy-looking
type of guy.
663
00:31:48,773 --> 00:31:51,040
Is it possible Elmer's
the guy you saw?
664
00:31:51,042 --> 00:31:52,976
I had a sketch done.
665
00:32:02,354 --> 00:32:03,486
This guy's creepy looking.
666
00:32:03,488 --> 00:32:07,223
You guys take a look.
667
00:32:07,225 --> 00:32:10,693
- Wow.
- I can see it.
668
00:32:12,831 --> 00:32:14,764
Mouth's perfectly the same.
669
00:32:14,766 --> 00:32:18,067
The nose is perfectly the same.
670
00:32:18,069 --> 00:32:20,536
It's him.
671
00:32:20,538 --> 00:32:23,439
So does this pastor guy
do anything to these two?
672
00:32:23,441 --> 00:32:25,241
I think
there's a couple of ways
673
00:32:25,243 --> 00:32:29,212
that you would be able
to interact with him.
674
00:32:29,214 --> 00:32:32,615
You would see him,
more than likely
675
00:32:32,617 --> 00:32:36,819
as an apparition
or shadowy figure
676
00:32:36,821 --> 00:32:38,588
with his hat.
677
00:32:40,258 --> 00:32:45,662
Sometimes, we will see
a tall shadow figure
678
00:32:45,664 --> 00:32:48,498
with a hat.
679
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,600
One of the things that he was
very proud of is that
680
00:32:50,602 --> 00:32:52,468
he can go inside
of your minds
681
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:55,772
while you're asleep
and enter your dreams,
682
00:32:55,774 --> 00:32:58,074
and he can manipulate them,
683
00:32:58,076 --> 00:33:03,312
so I would assume that you would
have serious sleep issues.
684
00:33:03,314 --> 00:33:06,015
When I'm trying to
go to bed,
685
00:33:06,017 --> 00:33:08,785
the thoughts will start
flying through my head,
686
00:33:08,787 --> 00:33:12,422
just terrible things
of car crashes,
687
00:33:12,424 --> 00:33:14,357
and I've actually
heard in my head,
688
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:16,793
"You know, you really should
kill yourself
689
00:33:16,795 --> 00:33:19,529
and do them a favor."
690
00:33:19,531 --> 00:33:21,664
The thing that
concerned me the most
691
00:33:21,666 --> 00:33:25,802
is that he could potentially
get physical with the living,
692
00:33:25,804 --> 00:33:29,005
and what I got was
specifically pushing,
693
00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:30,973
punching, and scratching.
694
00:33:30,975 --> 00:33:36,679
I woke up and have felt that
I've been punched in the face.
695
00:33:36,681 --> 00:33:38,948
You also get the feeling
of being choked, right?
696
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:40,116
Yes.
697
00:33:40,118 --> 00:33:43,453
I mean, like, the finger
down the throat.
698
00:33:43,455 --> 00:33:44,587
Wow.
699
00:33:44,589 --> 00:33:45,955
Edward, do me a favor,
and tell Amy about
700
00:33:45,957 --> 00:33:47,557
when you got attacked
in the kitchen.
701
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:51,227
I got kicked violently
in the chest.
702
00:33:51,229 --> 00:33:53,863
I flew back, hit my head.
703
00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:58,234
And it totally
knocked me stupid.
704
00:33:58,236 --> 00:34:01,204
This is all being caused
by this pastor guy?
705
00:34:01,206 --> 00:34:04,073
- Yeah.
- I'm frightened.
706
00:34:07,078 --> 00:34:09,645
The next thing I saw
is a huge problem
707
00:34:09,647 --> 00:34:12,048
and has me very concerned.
708
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:14,751
So what I ran into outside
709
00:34:14,753 --> 00:34:17,019
is what's called
an earth elemental.
710
00:34:17,021 --> 00:34:20,723
So this is being that was
originally part of the Earth,
711
00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:23,025
but something
caused this thing
712
00:34:23,027 --> 00:34:27,196
to separate itself
from the Earth,
713
00:34:27,198 --> 00:34:30,900
and it became its own
conscious entity.
714
00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:33,369
I think that this thing,
more than likely,
715
00:34:33,371 --> 00:34:36,539
has affected every person
who's ever lived here,
716
00:34:36,541 --> 00:34:38,307
and what it likes to do
717
00:34:38,309 --> 00:34:42,145
is create hardships
in people's lives.
718
00:34:42,147 --> 00:34:45,848
And in some
very extreme cases,
719
00:34:45,850 --> 00:34:48,084
it could cause death.
720
00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:50,753
I did see a lot of
dead bodies during my walk,
721
00:34:50,755 --> 00:34:53,456
and I think they might
be from this thing.
722
00:34:53,458 --> 00:34:55,958
There have been a lot of deaths
on the property over the years,
723
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,160
but individually,
724
00:34:57,162 --> 00:34:59,595
none of them are
that shocking to me.
725
00:34:59,597 --> 00:35:01,430
But the sheer number of
the people who have died here
726
00:35:01,432 --> 00:35:03,099
is what stands out to me.
727
00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:04,667
I'll take the Balmer family.
728
00:35:04,669 --> 00:35:07,503
They bought this property
back in 1851.
729
00:35:07,505 --> 00:35:10,573
Now, five of them died
right here on the property.
730
00:35:10,575 --> 00:35:12,675
I've got
their death certificates.
731
00:35:12,677 --> 00:35:14,811
It's just a whole bunch of 'em.
732
00:35:14,813 --> 00:35:16,445
So I had
a local genealogist look into
733
00:35:16,447 --> 00:35:18,147
the more recent deaths
on your property,
734
00:35:18,149 --> 00:35:20,683
and he came up
with four in 50 years.
735
00:35:20,685 --> 00:35:22,451
- So I got...
- Wow.
736
00:35:22,453 --> 00:35:23,953
...another bunch
of death certificates
737
00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:25,588
to go with the property.
738
00:35:25,590 --> 00:35:27,924
And the causes of death
cover the spectrum.
739
00:35:27,926 --> 00:35:29,425
I mean, we're talking
heart attacks,
740
00:35:29,427 --> 00:35:32,695
abdominal problems,
intestinal cancer, you name it.
741
00:35:32,697 --> 00:35:35,598
Now, is this elemental thing
possibly the reason
742
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,234
for the deaths
you're talking about?
743
00:35:38,236 --> 00:35:40,703
It could've caused
some of 'em.
744
00:35:40,705 --> 00:35:42,905
Could people see this elemental?
What does it look like?
745
00:35:42,907 --> 00:35:45,341
I did have a sketch
of what I saw.
746
00:35:53,451 --> 00:35:54,684
The hell is this?
747
00:35:57,422 --> 00:35:58,788
Wow.
748
00:35:58,790 --> 00:36:01,958
This thing's alive?
749
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,127
In a way.
750
00:36:05,129 --> 00:36:07,864
Does this thing live
in the tree in the backyard?
751
00:36:09,334 --> 00:36:11,601
So why don't we just go outside,
cut it down, and get rid of it?
752
00:36:11,603 --> 00:36:13,803
No.
753
00:36:13,805 --> 00:36:15,404
Why not?
754
00:36:15,406 --> 00:36:18,574
Well, it'll just go to another
tree, or it'll go in the Earth.
755
00:36:18,576 --> 00:36:20,142
When he's collected
enough energy,
756
00:36:20,144 --> 00:36:24,013
he can break off into
little miniatures of himself,
757
00:36:24,015 --> 00:36:26,282
and these are
the parts of him
758
00:36:26,284 --> 00:36:30,753
that are able to
create chaos in your lives,
759
00:36:30,755 --> 00:36:32,488
and so kind of
what I got was that,
760
00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:35,558
all of a sudden,
everything will break down.
761
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,059
Your car will break
down one day.
762
00:36:37,061 --> 00:36:40,563
The next day, it'll be
your A/C, which is not good.
763
00:36:40,565 --> 00:36:44,000
I'm so tired of living like this
because now I'm right back to,
764
00:36:44,002 --> 00:36:46,369
"My gosh,
the car is broke now.
765
00:36:46,371 --> 00:36:48,638
"The freezer
is full of maggots.
766
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,573
"The dishwasher broke,
767
00:36:50,575 --> 00:36:54,377
and the sink in the bathroom
broke today."
768
00:36:54,379 --> 00:36:57,713
The other way
that it can harm you is,
769
00:36:57,715 --> 00:37:01,984
when it cut itself off
from the Earth directly,
770
00:37:01,986 --> 00:37:04,754
it lost its source of food,
771
00:37:04,756 --> 00:37:08,491
and now what it has to do
is feed off of living organisms,
772
00:37:08,493 --> 00:37:14,463
specifically living people
and occasionally animals.
773
00:37:14,465 --> 00:37:17,767
So, Rene, can you tell Amy
about the animals,
774
00:37:17,769 --> 00:37:19,802
situations going on with them?
775
00:37:19,804 --> 00:37:22,171
They die mysteriously.
776
00:37:22,173 --> 00:37:27,476
We don't understand
what or how they die.
777
00:37:27,478 --> 00:37:30,246
So, Rene, can you do me a favor,
and tell Amy
778
00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:33,115
how you feel drained
all the time in the house?
779
00:37:33,117 --> 00:37:38,054
Yeah, absolutely.
No energy whatsoever.
780
00:37:38,056 --> 00:37:41,490
I'll get up after
sleeping 12 hours,
781
00:37:41,492 --> 00:37:47,530
and within three hours,
I'm back in bed.
782
00:37:47,532 --> 00:37:52,001
Long-term exposure to
this thing can lead to death.
783
00:37:52,003 --> 00:37:54,570
I saw very specifically
organ-function issues,
784
00:37:54,572 --> 00:37:56,739
liver, kidneys, your heart,
785
00:37:56,741 --> 00:37:58,507
so that's why
some of these deaths
786
00:37:58,509 --> 00:38:01,811
may have been caused by it,
you know,
787
00:38:01,813 --> 00:38:05,181
especially people who are
already compromised.
788
00:38:05,183 --> 00:38:06,983
Your health has declined
since you've moved to the house.
789
00:38:06,985 --> 00:38:11,387
Yes. I just feel like
it's attacking me personally,
790
00:38:11,389 --> 00:38:16,392
physically and mentally
and emotionally.
791
00:38:16,394 --> 00:38:17,827
All right.
So what does this thing want?
792
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:22,031
It blames living people
for ruining its land.
793
00:38:22,033 --> 00:38:24,934
It actually became
fueled by revenge,
794
00:38:24,936 --> 00:38:28,237
and it's trying to stop
at nothing to get you to leave.
795
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,807
If you stayed here long enough,
it would suck you dry.
796
00:38:31,809 --> 00:38:34,543
- It is, yeah.
- That's exactly what we say.
797
00:38:34,545 --> 00:38:35,878
And it's, "My gosh,
798
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,080
is the light being sucked
out of us?"
799
00:38:38,082 --> 00:38:39,815
Are they in a lot of danger?
800
00:38:39,817 --> 00:38:41,417
Yeah. Yeah.
801
00:38:43,721 --> 00:38:46,155
It wants you to die.
802
00:39:03,191 --> 00:39:04,691
So, Rene, you called us in
803
00:39:04,693 --> 00:39:07,627
because you thought Edward was
in danger and needed saving.
804
00:39:07,629 --> 00:39:11,097
You were right about that,
but based on what Amy told us,
805
00:39:11,099 --> 00:39:13,966
you're in a lot of danger, too.
806
00:39:13,968 --> 00:39:17,670
So now the big question is, can
you stay here and fight back,
807
00:39:17,672 --> 00:39:20,506
or do you need to get out
while you still can?
808
00:39:20,508 --> 00:39:22,709
So for that answer, I'm gonna
turn it over to Amy.
809
00:39:26,047 --> 00:39:28,915
My overall suggestion
810
00:39:28,917 --> 00:39:32,785
would be to move.
811
00:39:32,787 --> 00:39:34,987
Wow.
812
00:39:34,989 --> 00:39:40,026
This would leave no energy
source for the elemental,
813
00:39:40,028 --> 00:39:44,764
and I think he would
then pass away.
814
00:39:44,766 --> 00:39:47,133
But if you wanted to stay...
815
00:39:49,304 --> 00:39:54,107
you would need to have
a male voodoo priest come
816
00:39:54,109 --> 00:40:00,480
and do a ritual
in order to expel him.
817
00:40:00,482 --> 00:40:03,950
Why do you need a male voodoo
priest to get rid of the pastor?
818
00:40:03,952 --> 00:40:07,386
Because it's something that
would absolutely terrify him.
819
00:40:07,388 --> 00:40:10,923
He thinks that he has
religion on his side.
820
00:40:10,925 --> 00:40:12,825
The second thing
would be to find
821
00:40:12,827 --> 00:40:16,162
a Native American
holy person
822
00:40:16,164 --> 00:40:19,699
to try to deal
with the elemental.
823
00:40:19,701 --> 00:40:23,970
I don't know if that person
would be 100% successful,
824
00:40:23,972 --> 00:40:25,805
so that's where
you're taking the chance.
825
00:40:25,807 --> 00:40:28,641
It's a 50/50 shot,
and if it doesn't work,
826
00:40:28,643 --> 00:40:33,379
that thing will eventually
kill you if you stay here.
827
00:40:33,381 --> 00:40:35,481
Wow.
828
00:40:35,483 --> 00:40:38,284
You really want to take
a 50% chance on your life?
829
00:40:38,286 --> 00:40:40,987
- No.
- No. It's not worth it.
830
00:40:40,989 --> 00:40:43,523
I want to live.
I wanna be happy.
831
00:40:44,859 --> 00:40:48,828
This thing has tried to kill me
a couple of times,
832
00:40:48,830 --> 00:40:49,996
and I got lucky.
833
00:40:49,998 --> 00:40:51,531
I want away from it.
834
00:40:51,533 --> 00:40:55,067
You kind of gotta make
a hard decision.
835
00:40:55,069 --> 00:40:57,336
I don't see a way out.
836
00:40:57,338 --> 00:41:01,674
We've been looking
at houses already.
837
00:41:01,676 --> 00:41:05,545
We'll be prepared,
at least emotionally.
838
00:41:05,547 --> 00:41:08,648
It's been a 4-year nightmare,
839
00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:13,386
and this is the first help
that I've received.
840
00:41:13,388 --> 00:41:17,123
It's a miracle that
we're sitting in front of you.
841
00:41:17,125 --> 00:41:20,359
It really is, and I can't
thank you enough.
842
00:41:20,361 --> 00:41:22,762
I'm all right with
the answer, though.
843
00:41:22,764 --> 00:41:24,931
Didn't end well,
844
00:41:24,933 --> 00:41:28,935
but we do
have a new beginning.
845
00:41:28,937 --> 00:41:31,103
Rene and Edward
could have a voodoo priest
846
00:41:31,105 --> 00:41:33,472
remove the pastor guy,
847
00:41:33,474 --> 00:41:36,342
but there's no guarantee
a Native American holy person
848
00:41:36,344 --> 00:41:39,078
could get rid
of the elemental,
849
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,181
so I really hope they take
my advice and move.
850
00:41:42,183 --> 00:41:44,183
If they do that, they should
be able to lead
851
00:41:44,185 --> 00:41:46,352
a safe and peaceful life.
852
00:41:46,402 --> 00:41:50,952
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