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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,478 --> 00:00:13,011 It's all about revenge, 2 00:00:13,013 --> 00:00:15,247 revenge against people. 3 00:00:17,051 --> 00:00:20,419 I really think it's going to kill one us. 4 00:00:20,421 --> 00:00:24,022 He's going to hit somebody, push somebody, scratch somebody. 5 00:00:24,024 --> 00:00:27,259 I have had scratches from my neck 6 00:00:27,261 --> 00:00:29,795 down to my back. 7 00:00:29,797 --> 00:00:31,063 "I'll kill you. 8 00:00:31,065 --> 00:00:33,665 I'll take you away from everything you love." 9 00:00:33,667 --> 00:00:37,002 I think this thing wants me dead. 10 00:00:37,004 --> 00:00:39,338 Their life source is being sucked out of them, 11 00:00:39,340 --> 00:00:41,206 and they're turning into mummies. 12 00:00:41,208 --> 00:00:44,443 This is not a good situation. 13 00:00:44,445 --> 00:00:46,311 My name is Amy Allan. 14 00:00:46,313 --> 00:00:47,913 There's death here. 15 00:00:47,915 --> 00:00:49,648 Don't wanna go down there. 16 00:00:49,650 --> 00:00:50,916 I see dead people. 17 00:00:50,918 --> 00:00:53,018 They hide in the walls and they watch. 18 00:00:53,020 --> 00:00:55,687 I speak to dead people... 19 00:00:55,689 --> 00:00:58,490 She's definitely a serial killer. 20 00:00:58,492 --> 00:01:00,292 ...and they speak to me. 21 00:01:00,294 --> 00:01:02,461 She's going to torture them. 22 00:01:02,463 --> 00:01:06,265 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 23 00:01:06,267 --> 00:01:08,400 They were all murdered. 24 00:01:08,402 --> 00:01:09,902 I rely on my partner. 25 00:01:09,904 --> 00:01:11,470 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 26 00:01:11,472 --> 00:01:13,272 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 27 00:01:13,274 --> 00:01:15,974 So is this the only time you've been physically attacked? 28 00:01:15,976 --> 00:01:19,545 I know every person, every house has secrets. 29 00:01:19,547 --> 00:01:23,382 There's no question in my mind that he was talking about Satan. 30 00:01:23,384 --> 00:01:25,083 It's my job to reveal them. 31 00:01:25,085 --> 00:01:26,718 Who do you think possessed you? 32 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,887 But Steve and I never speak... 33 00:01:28,889 --> 00:01:30,923 We never communicate during an investigation. 34 00:01:30,925 --> 00:01:32,157 ...until the very end. 35 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:33,792 Well, you're not gonna want to see this. 36 00:01:33,794 --> 00:01:35,861 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 37 00:01:35,863 --> 00:01:37,362 Hell, no. 38 00:01:37,364 --> 00:01:39,031 Or time to get out. 39 00:01:39,033 --> 00:01:41,033 Everyone is in jeopardy. 40 00:01:55,049 --> 00:01:57,115 I'm up here in Grant Township, Michigan. 41 00:01:57,117 --> 00:01:59,218 It's about 70 miles north of Detroit. 42 00:01:59,220 --> 00:02:00,986 I got a call from a woman named Rene. 43 00:02:00,988 --> 00:02:03,121 Now, she and her husband have been kicked, 44 00:02:03,123 --> 00:02:05,123 scratched, choked... 45 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:07,125 You name it, they've got through it. 46 00:02:07,127 --> 00:02:09,094 She says it's tearing her family apart, 47 00:02:09,096 --> 00:02:10,996 and she desperately needs our help. 48 00:02:13,601 --> 00:02:15,100 Before Amy arrives, 49 00:02:15,102 --> 00:02:17,569 I have to remove any leading information. 50 00:02:17,571 --> 00:02:20,005 This home has a lot of antique portraits, 51 00:02:20,007 --> 00:02:23,475 personal items, and religious symbols, 52 00:02:23,477 --> 00:02:26,311 so it's important that I cover or remove them all. 53 00:02:26,313 --> 00:02:29,748 When I'm done, the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 54 00:02:42,062 --> 00:02:46,965 The first thing is, like, an earth, elemental thing. 55 00:02:46,967 --> 00:02:48,934 It's angry and vengeful. 56 00:02:48,936 --> 00:02:52,437 I think it's something that was originally part of the Earth, 57 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:57,743 and then it split off and is now just kind of evil. 58 00:03:00,548 --> 00:03:02,147 It's all about revenge, 59 00:03:02,149 --> 00:03:05,417 revenge against people. 60 00:03:12,126 --> 00:03:15,827 So, Rene, when we were talking on the phone, um, 61 00:03:15,829 --> 00:03:17,429 it sounded like you were going through hell here. 62 00:03:17,431 --> 00:03:19,698 We are living in hell. 63 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:23,569 It's attacking myself, my husband, 64 00:03:23,571 --> 00:03:26,171 and if we don't get help to reclaim our house, 65 00:03:26,173 --> 00:03:27,773 reclaim our lives, 66 00:03:27,775 --> 00:03:31,677 I really think it's gonna kill one of us. 67 00:03:31,679 --> 00:03:33,445 I believe it's evil. 68 00:03:33,447 --> 00:03:34,713 How long have you lived in the house? 69 00:03:34,715 --> 00:03:36,348 Three and a half years. 70 00:03:36,350 --> 00:03:39,284 My sister actually bought the house for my husband and I 71 00:03:39,286 --> 00:03:42,888 so the family could be close together. 72 00:03:42,890 --> 00:03:44,456 So, Rene, who lives in the house? 73 00:03:44,458 --> 00:03:45,991 It's me, my husband, 74 00:03:45,993 --> 00:03:48,927 and a family friend lives with us also. 75 00:03:48,929 --> 00:03:50,796 Is everybody in the house being affected? 76 00:03:50,798 --> 00:03:53,565 Everybody in the house is being affected, 77 00:03:53,567 --> 00:03:58,503 but it seems to be mostly directed at my husband. 78 00:03:58,505 --> 00:03:59,671 So why do you think that is? 79 00:03:59,673 --> 00:04:03,508 Because Edward had a really rough childhood, 80 00:04:03,510 --> 00:04:08,380 and he's vulnerable because he's bipolar. 81 00:04:08,382 --> 00:04:10,549 If you can, give me a list of what's going on here. 82 00:04:10,551 --> 00:04:12,985 Well, we hear voices. 83 00:04:12,987 --> 00:04:15,487 We're seeing shadow figures, 84 00:04:15,489 --> 00:04:18,957 and we've been having physical attacks, 85 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:21,293 and our health is declining. 86 00:04:21,295 --> 00:04:23,128 What's the worst health issue for you? 87 00:04:23,130 --> 00:04:25,230 Complete lethargy, 88 00:04:25,232 --> 00:04:27,199 like someone's just taken my energy 89 00:04:27,201 --> 00:04:29,234 and wants to live off what I have. 90 00:04:29,236 --> 00:04:31,937 All right, so what do you think whatever's in this house wants? 91 00:04:31,939 --> 00:04:36,541 I think it just wants to kill, destroy. 92 00:04:36,543 --> 00:04:40,212 Tell me how I can fight and win. 93 00:04:40,214 --> 00:04:42,447 I want to win. 94 00:04:42,449 --> 00:04:45,450 There's this one person here, 95 00:04:45,452 --> 00:04:46,685 a dead dude, 96 00:04:46,687 --> 00:04:50,656 who's psycho and causing problems. 97 00:04:50,658 --> 00:04:53,325 He looks like a preacher or a pastor. 98 00:04:53,327 --> 00:04:55,694 He's really bad. 99 00:04:55,696 --> 00:04:58,430 He says, "I'm gonna kill you, and I'm gonna make you 100 00:04:58,432 --> 00:05:01,099 "...feel the pain of, like, 101 00:05:01,101 --> 00:05:04,803 saying goodbye to all of your loved ones." 102 00:05:11,011 --> 00:05:13,045 So, Rene, I know you're worried about your husband Edward, 103 00:05:13,047 --> 00:05:14,212 but what about you? 104 00:05:14,214 --> 00:05:15,547 What experiences are you having? 105 00:05:15,549 --> 00:05:18,684 Things break here all the time, 106 00:05:18,686 --> 00:05:21,720 and there's no explanation. 107 00:05:21,722 --> 00:05:22,754 Now, you got animals in the house. 108 00:05:22,756 --> 00:05:24,056 Are you sure it wasn't them? 109 00:05:24,058 --> 00:05:28,460 This was happening before we even got the animals. 110 00:05:28,462 --> 00:05:30,062 Okay. Anything else? 111 00:05:30,064 --> 00:05:34,766 Well, my animals have died without explanation. 112 00:05:34,768 --> 00:05:36,835 So obviously, like me, you're an animal lover. 113 00:05:36,837 --> 00:05:38,170 What do you have here? 114 00:05:38,172 --> 00:05:42,074 We have dogs. We have cats. We have chickens. 115 00:05:42,076 --> 00:05:46,078 We have a couple pigs, a sheep, and goats. 116 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:51,316 If we show any kind of love, 117 00:05:51,318 --> 00:05:54,419 - this house, it -- it... - it will know. 118 00:05:56,290 --> 00:05:58,890 - It will be dead. - I'm sorry. 119 00:05:58,892 --> 00:06:01,626 That's okay. 120 00:06:01,628 --> 00:06:03,161 Okay. Anything else? 121 00:06:03,163 --> 00:06:07,132 Well, I seen a shadow man walk across the kitchen. 122 00:06:07,134 --> 00:06:09,701 Is it something that has a shape to it, or is it just... 123 00:06:09,703 --> 00:06:12,637 He has a shape like Abraham Lincoln. 124 00:06:14,775 --> 00:06:16,241 How often do you see this? 125 00:06:16,243 --> 00:06:18,810 We all see it quite a bit. 126 00:06:18,812 --> 00:06:21,146 All this stuff going on, how are you dealing with it? 127 00:06:21,148 --> 00:06:22,981 People don't really understand. 128 00:06:22,983 --> 00:06:26,184 And you're supposed to be safe in your house. 129 00:06:26,186 --> 00:06:29,688 It's supposed to be your comfort zone. 130 00:06:34,094 --> 00:06:36,294 Come here. You'll be all right. Don't worry about it. 131 00:06:36,296 --> 00:06:39,030 - We'll fix this, okay? - Okay. 132 00:06:44,138 --> 00:06:46,304 I'm seeing a shadow figure in there. 133 00:06:46,306 --> 00:06:48,140 I think it's the pastor dude. 134 00:06:48,142 --> 00:06:51,343 I think the living see him as a shadow, 135 00:06:51,345 --> 00:06:52,611 so he's like, 136 00:06:52,613 --> 00:06:54,980 "I want to show you. Like, look a what I can do. 137 00:06:54,982 --> 00:06:59,017 "I can be, you know, project these images and...with people." 138 00:06:59,019 --> 00:07:02,120 He's reading their minds. This is what scares them. 139 00:07:02,122 --> 00:07:04,990 Like, he's even, like, like, challenging me. 140 00:07:04,992 --> 00:07:07,859 "I'll kill you. I'll take you away from everything you love." 141 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:15,567 Okay, Rene, so what's going on up here? 142 00:07:15,569 --> 00:07:17,536 I've seen an apparition of a woman 143 00:07:17,538 --> 00:07:19,738 sitting on my bed right there, 144 00:07:19,740 --> 00:07:22,674 and she just sat down... 145 00:07:22,676 --> 00:07:23,742 On the edge here? 146 00:07:23,744 --> 00:07:29,047 ...right here, and just stared at me. 147 00:07:29,049 --> 00:07:32,717 Her hair was in a disheveled bun, 148 00:07:32,719 --> 00:07:36,388 but she had huge teeth. 149 00:07:36,390 --> 00:07:37,756 All right. So anything else? 150 00:07:37,758 --> 00:07:41,193 I sometimes get the sensation as if I'm being choked. 151 00:07:41,195 --> 00:07:43,261 Okay. So can you describe it for me? 152 00:07:43,263 --> 00:07:46,898 It's like somebody is taking their fingers 153 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:48,934 and shoving them down my throat. 154 00:07:48,936 --> 00:07:51,269 Anything else physical like that ever happened to you? 155 00:07:51,271 --> 00:07:52,437 Yes. 156 00:07:52,439 --> 00:07:54,840 There have been a couple of times that I woke up, 157 00:07:54,842 --> 00:07:58,810 and when I woke up, I felt as if I'd been punched in the face. 158 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,680 So I gotta ask, how the hell are you sleeping 159 00:08:01,682 --> 00:08:04,349 with all of this going on? - Well, I barely sleep. 160 00:08:04,351 --> 00:08:05,884 When I do lay down to sleep, 161 00:08:05,886 --> 00:08:09,955 I'm just overwhelmed with all kinds of negative thoughts. 162 00:08:09,957 --> 00:08:12,157 Me being hurt in car cashes. 163 00:08:12,159 --> 00:08:14,793 People leaving me, and people saying that they hate me, 164 00:08:14,795 --> 00:08:17,929 just feeling abandoned all the time. 165 00:08:17,931 --> 00:08:19,397 What the hell you still doing here? 166 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:22,634 Well, I believe my God is stronger, so I'm gonna fight. 167 00:08:22,636 --> 00:08:25,737 I won't let it get to the point where it kills my husband. 168 00:08:25,739 --> 00:08:28,473 - Okay. - I know that Jesus can win. 169 00:08:28,475 --> 00:08:30,208 I know Amy can win. 170 00:08:33,180 --> 00:08:35,780 It's not good up here. Mnh-mnh, no. 171 00:08:35,782 --> 00:08:37,215 It's really bad up here. 172 00:08:37,217 --> 00:08:38,984 I don't know how...any living person would come up here. 173 00:08:41,955 --> 00:08:44,356 The pastor, this is his area. 174 00:08:44,358 --> 00:08:46,825 The living people here, I think he tortures them. 175 00:08:46,827 --> 00:08:48,093 How? 176 00:08:48,095 --> 00:08:51,229 With nightmares, going, like, into their dreams. 177 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,369 He is literally in their mind, doing this. 178 00:08:57,371 --> 00:09:02,874 I think that he would be capable of... 179 00:09:02,876 --> 00:09:05,844 harming living people up here. 180 00:09:05,846 --> 00:09:07,913 If he's gonna do anything, he's gonna hit somebody, 181 00:09:07,915 --> 00:09:09,915 push somebody, scratch somebody. 182 00:09:09,917 --> 00:09:13,418 You know what I'm saying? So this is not good. 183 00:09:34,291 --> 00:09:36,925 So, Patricia, I understand you're Rene's sister, 184 00:09:36,927 --> 00:09:39,361 and you actually bought this house for her and Edward, right? 185 00:09:39,363 --> 00:09:40,528 Yes. 186 00:09:40,530 --> 00:09:43,431 I feel really guilty because I brought them 187 00:09:43,433 --> 00:09:45,400 to a place where it's dark. 188 00:09:45,402 --> 00:09:47,435 So what about you, Patricia? Any experiences? 189 00:09:47,437 --> 00:09:49,137 - Yes. - Okay. 190 00:09:49,139 --> 00:09:53,341 In the hallway, I saw a shadow figure, 191 00:09:53,343 --> 00:09:54,909 and I thought it was Eddie, 192 00:09:54,911 --> 00:09:57,212 but come to find out, he was sound asleep in the bed, 193 00:09:57,214 --> 00:09:59,547 and there was nobody in the hallway. 194 00:09:59,549 --> 00:10:01,549 Talking to Rene, she's pretty convinced that whatever is here 195 00:10:01,551 --> 00:10:03,251 is trying to kill or really hurt Edward. 196 00:10:03,253 --> 00:10:05,186 - Do you agree with that? - Yeah. 197 00:10:05,188 --> 00:10:06,855 Eddie is very vulnerable, 198 00:10:06,857 --> 00:10:10,759 and his history with his family is horrific. 199 00:10:10,761 --> 00:10:12,394 It attacks the vulnerable. 200 00:10:16,133 --> 00:10:19,300 This pastor is like, "I can do this. This is my domain. 201 00:10:19,302 --> 00:10:20,568 I can do this." 202 00:10:20,570 --> 00:10:21,903 You know, he's like, "I can be everywhere, 203 00:10:21,905 --> 00:10:24,339 and I can be nowhere," and I do think he can. 204 00:10:26,910 --> 00:10:28,977 He goes, "I see their fears." 205 00:10:28,979 --> 00:10:30,678 This shadow person that I saw here, 206 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:34,749 sitting here, it looked like, almost like a man. 207 00:10:34,751 --> 00:10:37,018 It's something familiar to the living people here. 208 00:10:37,020 --> 00:10:40,021 That it would be like... "That's so-and-so," 209 00:10:40,023 --> 00:10:44,592 and somehow slightly familiar where it's disturbing. 210 00:10:44,594 --> 00:10:47,262 He likes to... twist that knife. 211 00:10:51,868 --> 00:10:53,468 So, Edward, I was talking to your wife, Rene, 212 00:10:53,470 --> 00:10:54,803 and she was telling me 213 00:10:54,805 --> 00:10:56,271 that she thinks you're, like, the target here. 214 00:10:56,273 --> 00:10:59,240 - I mean, do you agree with that? - Yes, I do. 215 00:10:59,242 --> 00:11:04,212 I think that whatever is here is focusing in on me. 216 00:11:04,214 --> 00:11:06,047 So tell me about your experiences. 217 00:11:06,049 --> 00:11:07,749 What have you had? 218 00:11:07,751 --> 00:11:10,718 I've seen shadow figures in our bathroom, 219 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,954 blocked out the window for half a second, 220 00:11:12,956 --> 00:11:16,024 and I thought, "What in the world was that?" 221 00:11:16,026 --> 00:11:17,959 Sure it couldn't have been maybe a car going by 222 00:11:17,961 --> 00:11:19,527 or somebody walking along the road? 223 00:11:19,529 --> 00:11:21,796 No. No way. 224 00:11:21,798 --> 00:11:23,531 Our windows are very high up, 225 00:11:23,533 --> 00:11:26,201 so it's not like it was somebody outside 226 00:11:26,203 --> 00:11:27,769 that had passed the window. 227 00:11:27,771 --> 00:11:29,471 Okay. What else is going on? 228 00:11:29,473 --> 00:11:32,040 I have been physically attacked. 229 00:11:32,042 --> 00:11:35,343 I have had scratches from my neck down 230 00:11:35,345 --> 00:11:37,278 to my back and bruises. 231 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:38,880 What kind of bruises? 232 00:11:38,882 --> 00:11:42,550 I would wake up, on my legs, big bruises, 233 00:11:42,552 --> 00:11:45,553 and not have a clue as to where they come from. 234 00:11:45,555 --> 00:11:47,856 Gone to the doctor's about this? Yeah. Yeah. 235 00:11:47,858 --> 00:11:50,458 And he says, "You're healthy as a horse." 236 00:11:50,460 --> 00:11:52,360 Anything else going on as far as physical attacks? 237 00:11:52,362 --> 00:11:56,264 One time, I was walking through my kitchen. 238 00:11:56,266 --> 00:11:59,067 It felt like I got kicked in the stomach, 239 00:11:59,069 --> 00:12:03,905 and I flew back about 15 feet and hit my head on the table, 240 00:12:03,907 --> 00:12:07,108 and just about knocked myself out. 241 00:12:07,110 --> 00:12:08,443 You could've been killed. 242 00:12:08,445 --> 00:12:10,845 I'm afraid for my life in this house. 243 00:12:10,847 --> 00:12:13,481 I feel very confined, just, like, 244 00:12:13,483 --> 00:12:16,651 something is just around me all the time 245 00:12:16,653 --> 00:12:19,087 and won't leave me. 246 00:12:20,257 --> 00:12:21,589 This pastor, 247 00:12:21,591 --> 00:12:24,292 now he's showing me more the image of him -- 248 00:12:24,294 --> 00:12:26,427 cape, hat, 249 00:12:26,429 --> 00:12:28,463 very tall, 250 00:12:28,465 --> 00:12:31,866 covering the, lights, 251 00:12:31,868 --> 00:12:33,801 end of the hall. 252 00:12:35,539 --> 00:12:37,238 So I'm thinking that this is an image 253 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,174 that this person would see. 254 00:12:40,176 --> 00:12:43,912 This living person feels trapped by 255 00:12:43,914 --> 00:12:46,214 this -- this presence. 256 00:12:46,216 --> 00:12:49,918 Interesting that as soon as I try to tap the living here, 257 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,820 I'm having issues. 258 00:12:52,822 --> 00:12:56,558 Something important out there. 259 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:58,993 They don't want me to see it. 260 00:12:58,995 --> 00:13:02,263 I feel like it's still, like, a living person 261 00:13:02,265 --> 00:13:05,199 that doesn't want me to... 262 00:13:05,201 --> 00:13:08,570 deal with that or see that or something. 263 00:13:08,572 --> 00:13:10,572 This is something personal, 264 00:13:10,574 --> 00:13:12,440 something they're connected with. 265 00:13:12,442 --> 00:13:15,276 It's something they don't want... 266 00:13:15,278 --> 00:13:17,278 Maybe their emotional issues. 267 00:13:19,482 --> 00:13:21,983 Rene explained that you had some mental issues 268 00:13:21,985 --> 00:13:24,385 from a tough childhood. - Yeah. 269 00:13:24,387 --> 00:13:27,188 My mother was clinically insane. 270 00:13:27,190 --> 00:13:30,224 I was put in the orphanage at the age of 1. 271 00:13:30,226 --> 00:13:33,861 I didn't get adopted until I was 9 years old. 272 00:13:33,863 --> 00:13:36,564 My father, he murdered my brothers. 273 00:13:38,535 --> 00:13:43,871 They were 23 months old, started the house on fire. 274 00:13:43,873 --> 00:13:46,808 You're breaking my heart, listening to this story. 275 00:13:46,810 --> 00:13:49,377 Do you think because of your traumatic background 276 00:13:49,379 --> 00:13:51,579 that you're vulnerable? 277 00:13:51,581 --> 00:13:53,514 Yes, I do, 278 00:13:53,516 --> 00:13:57,318 and I think this thing attacks the vulnerable. 279 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,088 So would you say that your mental state 280 00:14:00,090 --> 00:14:02,223 has really deteriorated more since you moved in here? 281 00:14:02,225 --> 00:14:04,659 - Yes. Yes. Absolutely. - Okay. 282 00:14:06,930 --> 00:14:08,429 It makes me sick. 283 00:14:08,431 --> 00:14:11,099 This house -- I've gotten, just for no reason, 284 00:14:11,101 --> 00:14:13,368 I'll run to the bathroom and get sick. 285 00:14:13,370 --> 00:14:15,269 What do you think whatever here wants? 286 00:14:15,271 --> 00:14:18,740 I think it's trying to steal my soul. 287 00:14:18,742 --> 00:14:21,042 I think this thing wants me dead. 288 00:14:23,413 --> 00:14:27,582 This elemental thing I saw earlier is bad news. 289 00:14:27,584 --> 00:14:32,820 It makes people sick and it makes people angry. 290 00:14:32,822 --> 00:14:37,525 Damn. And it -- it -- it causes, um, anxiety. 291 00:14:37,527 --> 00:14:40,495 That thing makes them more vulnerable. 292 00:14:40,497 --> 00:14:43,064 It wants to kill a living person here. 293 00:14:43,066 --> 00:14:45,066 One thing it kept showing me was, like, 294 00:14:45,068 --> 00:14:48,403 sacrificing someone in the house. 295 00:15:01,925 --> 00:15:04,926 So my old friend and author T.J. Gaffney called me 296 00:15:04,928 --> 00:15:06,261 when he heard I was in town 297 00:15:06,263 --> 00:15:08,430 investigating Rene and Edward's house. 298 00:15:08,432 --> 00:15:10,065 Now he did some digging for me 299 00:15:10,067 --> 00:15:12,968 and says one of the original owners of the property 300 00:15:12,970 --> 00:15:16,405 had nothing but years of death and bad luck. 301 00:15:21,512 --> 00:15:23,078 Well, T.J., it's good to see you again. 302 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,380 You mentioned on the phone that this Balmer family had nothing 303 00:15:25,382 --> 00:15:27,549 but bad luck when they got on my clients' property, 304 00:15:27,551 --> 00:15:29,284 but before we get to that, who are these people, 305 00:15:29,286 --> 00:15:30,652 and when did they get there? 306 00:15:30,654 --> 00:15:32,721 Well, Alexander Balmer is a Scottish immigrant 307 00:15:32,723 --> 00:15:35,090 who moves to the area in 1851. 308 00:15:35,092 --> 00:15:36,458 Okay. 309 00:15:36,460 --> 00:15:39,628 He buys 80 acres that includes your clients' property, 310 00:15:39,630 --> 00:15:42,464 and they move into and build a log cabin, 311 00:15:42,466 --> 00:15:44,633 just like the one we see over here, 312 00:15:44,635 --> 00:15:49,037 with his wife Isabella and 12 kids. 313 00:15:49,039 --> 00:15:51,473 - In -- in a cabin that size? - In a cabin that size. 314 00:15:51,475 --> 00:15:53,175 What do they do with the property? 315 00:15:53,177 --> 00:15:55,377 Well, he's a farmer, and as you know, back then, 316 00:15:55,379 --> 00:15:57,012 farming was a tough life. 317 00:15:57,014 --> 00:16:01,783 Alexander passes away in 1887 at the age of 84, 318 00:16:01,785 --> 00:16:04,820 and it all starts to go downhill from there. 319 00:16:04,822 --> 00:16:06,421 What happens with the farm? 320 00:16:06,423 --> 00:16:08,590 Well, it passes to his son Andrew. 321 00:16:08,592 --> 00:16:10,425 And how does it go for him? 322 00:16:10,427 --> 00:16:11,827 Well, not well. 323 00:16:11,829 --> 00:16:15,797 About 3 years later, his mom passes away on the farm as well. 324 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:17,966 Okay, so do we know what she dies from? 325 00:16:17,968 --> 00:16:19,401 Unfortunately not. 326 00:16:19,403 --> 00:16:21,970 There's no death record that we've been able to find. 327 00:16:21,972 --> 00:16:23,672 He's got the property. 328 00:16:23,674 --> 00:16:25,907 Both the parents are gone, so it's his free and clear. 329 00:16:25,909 --> 00:16:27,409 Well, not totally. 330 00:16:27,411 --> 00:16:30,145 He's got three spinster sisters he's got to take care of. 331 00:16:30,147 --> 00:16:32,380 It's so bad for him that he never marries, 332 00:16:32,382 --> 00:16:34,683 never gets to start a family of his own. 333 00:16:38,255 --> 00:16:42,524 I'm getting so much loss and sadness. 334 00:16:42,526 --> 00:16:45,494 I saw bunches of dead bodies. 335 00:16:48,532 --> 00:16:52,434 I think it has something to do with this elemental thing. 336 00:16:52,436 --> 00:16:53,768 What does it look like? 337 00:16:53,770 --> 00:16:56,538 Like a cross between 338 00:16:56,540 --> 00:16:59,274 an insect, a snake, 339 00:16:59,276 --> 00:17:02,711 and a tree. 340 00:17:02,713 --> 00:17:05,347 I think it doesn't like living people. 341 00:17:05,349 --> 00:17:06,715 The other thing it showed me is that 342 00:17:06,717 --> 00:17:09,150 it can make minis of itself, 343 00:17:09,152 --> 00:17:14,222 and these smaller beings can be dispatched to do... 344 00:17:14,224 --> 00:17:15,924 bad things, 345 00:17:15,926 --> 00:17:18,894 I'm thinking to the living, to make them leave. 346 00:17:22,165 --> 00:17:23,498 All right. 347 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:25,100 So Andrew is there with his three spinster sisters, 348 00:17:25,102 --> 00:17:27,469 and he's got the farm. I mean, what happens now? 349 00:17:27,471 --> 00:17:29,804 Well, in 1913, we get one of the biggest storms 350 00:17:29,806 --> 00:17:32,741 to ever hit the state. - Okay. 351 00:17:32,743 --> 00:17:36,444 It was so devastating that the farm never really recovers. 352 00:17:36,446 --> 00:17:38,046 So what happens after that? 353 00:17:38,048 --> 00:17:39,748 Well, one of the sisters, Janet, 354 00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:43,652 ends up passing later that year of an abdominal aneurysm. 355 00:17:43,654 --> 00:17:44,920 All right, says here she was 71. 356 00:17:44,922 --> 00:17:47,255 - Did she die on the property? - Yes. 357 00:17:47,257 --> 00:17:48,523 What happens with the other two sisters? 358 00:17:48,525 --> 00:17:51,993 Isabell ends up passing away 3 years after that. 359 00:17:51,995 --> 00:17:55,797 She ends up dying from, an intestinal cancer, 360 00:17:55,799 --> 00:17:58,166 and again, she passes away on the property. 361 00:17:58,168 --> 00:17:59,434 Okay, so there's one sister left. 362 00:17:59,436 --> 00:18:00,802 Does he just cut his losses 363 00:18:00,804 --> 00:18:03,371 and sell the property with his sister and move on? 364 00:18:03,373 --> 00:18:06,474 Nope. He stays on the property right until the end of his life, 365 00:18:06,476 --> 00:18:10,645 passes away in 1928 from pneumonia, also on the property. 366 00:18:10,647 --> 00:18:11,813 You weren't kidding when you said 367 00:18:11,815 --> 00:18:13,315 their family had a lot of bad luck. 368 00:18:13,317 --> 00:18:14,482 It seems like every time, you know, 369 00:18:14,484 --> 00:18:15,650 they started to get ahead 370 00:18:15,652 --> 00:18:18,386 or were moving in a positive direction, 371 00:18:18,388 --> 00:18:20,455 something negative happens to 'em. 372 00:18:24,194 --> 00:18:27,128 The elemental thing lives in this tree. 373 00:18:27,130 --> 00:18:29,497 It's impacting the living directly. 374 00:18:29,499 --> 00:18:30,565 How? 375 00:18:30,567 --> 00:18:33,668 I hear, "Break things. Make it hard." 376 00:18:33,670 --> 00:18:35,604 Things will go horribly wrong, 377 00:18:35,606 --> 00:18:38,239 like, you know, the sewer system went. 378 00:18:38,241 --> 00:18:40,875 Not only did that happen, but also the car broke. 379 00:18:40,877 --> 00:18:46,081 And not only did that happen, but also all the TVs exploded. 380 00:18:46,083 --> 00:18:49,651 It's obviously impeding their lives. It's that bad. 381 00:18:49,653 --> 00:18:50,986 Why is it doing this? 382 00:18:50,988 --> 00:18:53,355 It's saying that the living started this, 383 00:18:53,357 --> 00:18:56,157 and now it's acting on... 384 00:18:56,159 --> 00:18:58,693 this revenge. 385 00:19:01,131 --> 00:19:02,831 So before I even got into town, 386 00:19:02,833 --> 00:19:04,499 I reached out to a local genealogist 387 00:19:04,501 --> 00:19:06,701 and had him start looking for the property's history. 388 00:19:06,703 --> 00:19:10,805 Now, he just called back and said, "In the last 50 years, 389 00:19:10,807 --> 00:19:13,308 "four people have died on Rene and Edward's property, 390 00:19:13,310 --> 00:19:16,011 and two of 'em, way too young." 391 00:19:20,417 --> 00:19:22,550 Well, Walt, it's good to see you again. 392 00:19:22,552 --> 00:19:24,386 You mentioned on the phone there were four deaths 393 00:19:24,388 --> 00:19:26,788 in about 50 years in connection with my clients' property. 394 00:19:26,790 --> 00:19:28,823 - Yes. - What's the first one? 395 00:19:28,825 --> 00:19:31,826 Well, it was a young couple, John and Barbara Grimm. 396 00:19:31,828 --> 00:19:34,763 They bought the property in 1963. 397 00:19:34,765 --> 00:19:40,602 Tragically, in 1967, Barbara was diagnosed with ovarian cancer. 398 00:19:40,604 --> 00:19:44,139 Two weeks after the diagnosis, she died in the hospital. 399 00:19:44,141 --> 00:19:46,741 She was only 43 years old. 400 00:19:46,743 --> 00:19:48,476 Okay, so what happened to the husband? 401 00:19:48,478 --> 00:19:50,812 He started drinking heavily, 402 00:19:50,814 --> 00:19:56,351 and five years after her death, in 1972, he sold the property. 403 00:19:56,353 --> 00:19:58,620 Three years after that, tragically, 404 00:19:58,622 --> 00:20:01,089 he died of cirrhosis of the liver. 405 00:20:01,091 --> 00:20:03,191 He was only 55 years old. 406 00:20:03,193 --> 00:20:04,993 So that's two pretty young, sad deaths. 407 00:20:04,995 --> 00:20:06,261 What about the other two? 408 00:20:06,263 --> 00:20:09,030 The third death was a homemaker, Marguerite Girardi. 409 00:20:09,032 --> 00:20:14,302 She died in 1999 of a heart attack on the property. 410 00:20:14,304 --> 00:20:17,505 She was 67 years old. 411 00:20:17,507 --> 00:20:19,240 All right. So what about the fourth one? 412 00:20:19,242 --> 00:20:21,476 The fourth was a World War II veteran, 413 00:20:21,478 --> 00:20:22,977 Chester Ulrich. 414 00:20:22,979 --> 00:20:26,081 He had bought the property in 2002, 415 00:20:26,083 --> 00:20:28,883 and three months later, he died. 416 00:20:28,885 --> 00:20:31,052 He'd also died of a heart attack. 417 00:20:31,054 --> 00:20:33,421 You know, Walt, I just talked to another guy a little while ago, 418 00:20:33,423 --> 00:20:34,823 and he told me about five deaths 419 00:20:34,825 --> 00:20:36,391 associated with the Balmer family 420 00:20:36,393 --> 00:20:37,826 that used to live on the property, 421 00:20:37,828 --> 00:20:39,694 and with this four, that makes nine. 422 00:20:39,696 --> 00:20:42,197 - That's a lot. - I agree. 423 00:20:45,135 --> 00:20:48,703 A lot of whatever it's doing now is revenge. 424 00:20:48,705 --> 00:20:51,673 What does this elemental thing do to the living? 425 00:20:51,675 --> 00:20:54,709 It gets its energy from the living, 426 00:20:54,711 --> 00:20:57,545 like, energy vampire kind of thing, I think. 427 00:21:00,383 --> 00:21:02,250 So how would the living be affected? 428 00:21:02,252 --> 00:21:05,720 It would drain them. It makes people sick. 429 00:21:05,722 --> 00:21:08,790 Their life source, like, is being sucked out of them, 430 00:21:08,792 --> 00:21:10,458 and they're turning into mummies. 431 00:21:10,460 --> 00:21:13,595 It's almost like the person's, like, dehydrating 432 00:21:13,597 --> 00:21:15,597 and, like, starving to death, 433 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:18,600 so then it would affect living people's organs after a while, 434 00:21:18,602 --> 00:21:21,736 so, like, kidney function, neurological, 435 00:21:21,738 --> 00:21:23,404 like, issues, okay? 436 00:21:23,406 --> 00:21:26,407 I feel like I was having a heart attack. 437 00:21:26,409 --> 00:21:29,344 After a while of consistently being exposed to this thing, 438 00:21:29,346 --> 00:21:31,446 the body's not able to stabilize itself. 439 00:21:31,448 --> 00:21:34,015 The body shuts down. People die. 440 00:21:40,757 --> 00:21:43,024 For more information about the show, 441 00:21:43,026 --> 00:21:44,659 and if you need us to investigate 442 00:21:44,661 --> 00:21:46,394 unexplained activity in your home... 443 00:21:46,396 --> 00:21:49,931 Please visit travelchannel.com/TheDeadFiles. 444 00:21:49,933 --> 00:21:52,000 Click on "Help me, Dead Files!" to submit your story, 445 00:21:52,002 --> 00:21:53,168 and we'll help if we can. 446 00:22:00,260 --> 00:22:02,860 So far, I've got clients being physically attacked 447 00:22:02,862 --> 00:22:06,197 on a property connected to nine deaths, 448 00:22:06,199 --> 00:22:08,833 but I want to see if there's anything else. 449 00:22:08,835 --> 00:22:11,869 Searching through old records, I come across a gruesome murder 450 00:22:11,871 --> 00:22:15,173 where a husband bludgeoned his wife to death. 451 00:22:15,175 --> 00:22:17,642 Turns out, the homicide took place less than a mile 452 00:22:17,644 --> 00:22:19,477 from Rene and Edward's property. 453 00:22:19,479 --> 00:22:20,712 I'm meeting a local historian 454 00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:22,947 who says the story of this murder is so crazy, 455 00:22:22,949 --> 00:22:24,616 it could be made into a movie. 456 00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:31,122 Well, Chris, thanks for meeting with me. 457 00:22:31,124 --> 00:22:32,490 I appreciate it. 458 00:22:32,492 --> 00:22:34,559 This crazy murder you talked about to me on the phone, 459 00:22:34,561 --> 00:22:36,928 before we get to it, what do we know about the perpetrator? 460 00:22:36,930 --> 00:22:39,030 Well, his name is Elmer Smith. 461 00:22:39,032 --> 00:22:41,766 He had a 208-acre farm about 3/4 mile 462 00:22:41,768 --> 00:22:43,234 from where you guys are investigating. 463 00:22:43,236 --> 00:22:45,236 He's got a psycho look on his face. 464 00:22:45,238 --> 00:22:47,071 You think that's bad, wait until you see his wife. 465 00:22:47,073 --> 00:22:48,139 Really? 466 00:22:48,141 --> 00:22:51,175 In 1937, Elmer marries Helen Forrest. 467 00:22:51,177 --> 00:22:53,311 She moves on the farm right away. 468 00:22:53,313 --> 00:22:55,013 As soon as she moved on the property, 469 00:22:55,015 --> 00:22:57,482 the two began to fight constantly. 470 00:22:57,484 --> 00:22:59,050 Now they're only married not even a year, 471 00:22:59,052 --> 00:23:02,420 and she's already filing for divorce. 472 00:23:02,422 --> 00:23:03,921 Now, Chris, take me to the day of the murder. 473 00:23:03,923 --> 00:23:05,189 What happened? 474 00:23:05,191 --> 00:23:08,192 Well, on Thanksgiving night, November 24, 1938, 475 00:23:08,194 --> 00:23:11,162 it all kind of came to a head when a huge argument broke out 476 00:23:11,164 --> 00:23:12,997 between them about how the farm 477 00:23:12,999 --> 00:23:14,966 was gonna be settled in the divorce. 478 00:23:14,968 --> 00:23:16,968 The argument raised to the point where she comes at him 479 00:23:16,970 --> 00:23:20,438 with a kitchen knife, screaming, "I've got murder in my heart!" 480 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,373 Okay. 481 00:23:22,375 --> 00:23:24,208 Well, he picks up a piece of wood from the stove, 482 00:23:24,210 --> 00:23:26,010 hits her upside of the head with it, 483 00:23:26,012 --> 00:23:28,112 and murders her. 484 00:23:28,114 --> 00:23:29,347 Does he confess? 485 00:23:29,349 --> 00:23:31,349 Well, not right away. He panics. 486 00:23:31,351 --> 00:23:34,218 He takes the piece of wood, her clothing, and burns it. 487 00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:37,121 Then he takes the body, puts it in a large burlap bag, 488 00:23:37,123 --> 00:23:38,656 takes it to the back end of the farm, 489 00:23:38,658 --> 00:23:40,958 and drops it in an abandoned well. 490 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,827 So obviously, he gets arrested, 491 00:23:42,829 --> 00:23:44,128 so they must have found the body. 492 00:23:44,130 --> 00:23:46,798 - What happened? - Well, he cracks under pressure, 493 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,000 and he admits to the whole thing to the sheriff, 494 00:23:49,002 --> 00:23:51,436 and tells them where the body is at. 495 00:23:51,438 --> 00:23:53,871 Okay, so now, Chris, does he plead out 496 00:23:53,873 --> 00:23:55,540 or does he go to trial? 497 00:23:55,542 --> 00:23:57,975 There's a 2-week-long jury trial. 498 00:23:57,977 --> 00:23:59,677 Okay, so what happened? He gets convicted? 499 00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:01,546 The jury acquits him of the murder. 500 00:24:01,548 --> 00:24:02,747 They acquit him? 501 00:24:02,749 --> 00:24:04,749 The minister of the Methodist church 502 00:24:04,751 --> 00:24:06,484 that he attended testified that 503 00:24:06,486 --> 00:24:08,753 he was a religious man and well-respected, 504 00:24:08,755 --> 00:24:11,622 a mild-mannered individual who attended church regularly 505 00:24:11,624 --> 00:24:13,124 until the time of the murder. 506 00:24:13,126 --> 00:24:16,160 - So now, he's acquitted. - Yes. 507 00:24:16,162 --> 00:24:17,428 Does he stay on the property, get married again? 508 00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:18,629 What happens to this guy? 509 00:24:18,631 --> 00:24:20,832 As far as I know, he stays on the property, 510 00:24:20,834 --> 00:24:23,434 and he lives to the ripe old age of 72 years old, 511 00:24:23,436 --> 00:24:25,737 passing away in 1955. 512 00:24:25,739 --> 00:24:27,505 There's his death certificate. 513 00:24:27,507 --> 00:24:29,540 He wind up getting away with murder. 514 00:24:29,542 --> 00:24:30,808 You're right. 515 00:24:30,810 --> 00:24:33,578 This could be made into a movie of the week. 516 00:24:33,580 --> 00:24:37,215 I'm trying to get more on who this pastor guy was in life. 517 00:24:37,217 --> 00:24:40,852 He's got the Bible in his left hand, and he wears this outfit, 518 00:24:40,854 --> 00:24:42,220 you know, like the pastors used to wear 519 00:24:42,222 --> 00:24:44,322 with the big black hat and the black suit. 520 00:24:44,324 --> 00:24:45,757 Do you get any time period? 521 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:50,128 I'm gonna place him in 1940 or on. 522 00:24:50,130 --> 00:24:52,330 Do you know if he has some connection to the property? 523 00:24:52,332 --> 00:24:55,266 I feel like there was a different structure, 524 00:24:55,268 --> 00:24:58,069 but he is associating himself with this place. 525 00:24:58,071 --> 00:24:59,537 I don't know why, yet. 526 00:24:59,539 --> 00:25:02,039 I don't know, so I guess, he's, like, a psychopath. 527 00:25:08,148 --> 00:25:09,781 And there's another dead person here. 528 00:25:09,783 --> 00:25:11,416 It's a female. 529 00:25:11,418 --> 00:25:13,918 It's, I think, like, maybe a wife? 530 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,787 It feels like they might have been married, 531 00:25:15,789 --> 00:25:18,790 but it wouldn't have been a real marriage. 532 00:25:20,326 --> 00:25:22,160 I don't know how this person who died in here died, 533 00:25:22,162 --> 00:25:23,928 but it was not good, and I'm freaking out 534 00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:26,731 because it was, like, a struggle. 535 00:25:29,102 --> 00:25:30,735 He's yelling at her. 536 00:25:30,737 --> 00:25:33,438 I could say he was abusive. 537 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,208 I'm seeing him throw this chick out, outside. 538 00:25:38,511 --> 00:25:41,813 Something about the floors... Mnh-mnh-mnh. 539 00:25:41,815 --> 00:25:43,114 He's like, "I keep trying to clean 'em, 540 00:25:43,116 --> 00:25:44,382 "and I can't get 'em clean. 541 00:25:44,384 --> 00:25:46,284 I can't get 'em clean. I can't get 'em clean." 542 00:25:46,286 --> 00:25:47,819 I think he killed her. 543 00:25:47,821 --> 00:25:49,253 Boom. Done. 544 00:25:56,362 --> 00:25:59,864 I saw a lot of disturbing things during my walk, 545 00:25:59,866 --> 00:26:01,899 but two stood out. 546 00:26:01,901 --> 00:26:04,802 First, the vengeful creature I saw outside. 547 00:26:04,804 --> 00:26:08,372 He has created himself in the image of the tree, 548 00:26:08,374 --> 00:26:11,242 so his skin takes on the bark appearance. 549 00:26:11,244 --> 00:26:12,510 All right. 550 00:26:12,512 --> 00:26:14,912 His face is more insect-looking. 551 00:26:14,914 --> 00:26:17,181 There's no nose or mouth or anything, 552 00:26:17,183 --> 00:26:20,284 and it's kind of a V-shaped. 553 00:26:20,286 --> 00:26:23,821 Next, I described the angry pastor. 554 00:26:23,823 --> 00:26:25,656 He has the black jacket 555 00:26:25,658 --> 00:26:28,559 and a white, buttoned-up shirt. 556 00:26:28,561 --> 00:26:32,330 It's got that wide-brimmed hat. 557 00:26:32,332 --> 00:26:34,699 Looks like he's been, like, beat up. 558 00:26:39,706 --> 00:26:41,672 Amy, is this who you saw? 559 00:26:41,674 --> 00:26:42,840 Yes. 560 00:27:02,454 --> 00:27:05,355 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 561 00:27:05,357 --> 00:27:07,457 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 562 00:27:07,459 --> 00:27:09,993 and our clients for the first time. 563 00:27:09,995 --> 00:27:13,129 Well, Amy, I'd like you to meet Rene and her husband Edward. 564 00:27:13,131 --> 00:27:15,565 Now we're sitting here, so obviously, 565 00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:17,233 the activity in this place is bad. 566 00:27:17,235 --> 00:27:20,070 In fact, Rene told me it's tearing their family apart. 567 00:27:20,072 --> 00:27:21,471 But the real reason she called us in 568 00:27:21,473 --> 00:27:23,873 is because she thinks that whatever is here is deadly, 569 00:27:23,875 --> 00:27:26,276 and she's convinced it's going after Edward. 570 00:27:26,278 --> 00:27:28,345 So now I've introduced Amy to you guys, 571 00:27:28,347 --> 00:27:30,180 I'm going to ask her to describe her walk with us. 572 00:27:33,285 --> 00:27:37,087 Interestingly enough, on this particular walk, 573 00:27:37,089 --> 00:27:42,025 a living person actually put a little bit of a block up 574 00:27:42,027 --> 00:27:46,596 so that I couldn't get a lot of, like, personal things. 575 00:27:46,598 --> 00:27:50,934 I got that this person has a lot of emotional issues 576 00:27:50,936 --> 00:27:54,804 that they don't want to deal with or discuss. 577 00:27:54,806 --> 00:27:56,840 So you know I told you how Rene thinks 578 00:27:56,842 --> 00:27:58,775 Edward's the target, right? - Right. 579 00:27:58,777 --> 00:28:00,110 Well, she also thinks 580 00:28:00,112 --> 00:28:02,612 it's because Edward's got some emotional problems. 581 00:28:02,614 --> 00:28:04,514 Okay. 582 00:28:04,516 --> 00:28:09,753 My father murdered my two brothers in a fire. 583 00:28:09,755 --> 00:28:13,890 I spent 81/2 years in an orphanage. 584 00:28:13,892 --> 00:28:17,127 It has been a struggle. 585 00:28:17,129 --> 00:28:21,064 It feels like the world is on top of me. 586 00:28:21,066 --> 00:28:24,667 Amy, do you think Edward is the person that blocked you? 587 00:28:24,669 --> 00:28:26,069 It's possible. 588 00:28:26,071 --> 00:28:29,372 It's something that you might be doing inadvertently 589 00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:31,775 as a protection measure for yourself. 590 00:28:34,613 --> 00:28:36,813 What else was going on? 591 00:28:36,815 --> 00:28:39,749 One of the things that I saw during my walk 592 00:28:39,751 --> 00:28:42,585 was a deceased female, 593 00:28:42,587 --> 00:28:46,122 and I saw her in the upstairs bedroom, 594 00:28:46,124 --> 00:28:47,757 the very back one. 595 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:49,325 That's their bedroom. 596 00:28:49,327 --> 00:28:52,162 She was going through extreme despair, 597 00:28:52,164 --> 00:28:56,633 and also, I think if anybody was even slightly sensitive, 598 00:28:56,635 --> 00:28:59,569 they would occasionally see her. 599 00:28:59,571 --> 00:29:03,840 So, Rene, you told me about the woman you saw in your bed. 600 00:29:03,842 --> 00:29:05,542 Tell Amy about that. 601 00:29:05,544 --> 00:29:07,911 She turned and looked at me, 602 00:29:07,913 --> 00:29:11,047 and had these, like, piranha teeth, 603 00:29:11,049 --> 00:29:14,417 and then she just faded away. 604 00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:16,686 You get any idea who this woman might have been? 605 00:29:16,688 --> 00:29:19,656 I believe that she was the wife of a dead male 606 00:29:19,658 --> 00:29:22,358 that is in this house. 607 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,295 I was able to get a lot more on him than her. 608 00:29:25,297 --> 00:29:27,163 This is not a good guy. 609 00:29:27,165 --> 00:29:30,700 I got that he was from probably around 1940, 610 00:29:30,702 --> 00:29:33,803 and he kept showing me a different structure, 611 00:29:33,805 --> 00:29:34,971 but for some reason, 612 00:29:34,973 --> 00:29:38,074 he was associating himself with this place. 613 00:29:38,076 --> 00:29:41,478 He was wearing a black suit, round, black hat. 614 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,581 His dress reminded me of a pastor's dress, 615 00:29:44,583 --> 00:29:47,150 and he kind of claimed to be a man of God. 616 00:29:47,152 --> 00:29:49,018 And then I got that at some point, 617 00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:52,255 he changed direction in his life. 618 00:29:52,257 --> 00:29:54,958 He's extremely angry, very abusive, 619 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,360 had some serious issues with his wife. 620 00:29:57,362 --> 00:29:58,928 It didn't feel like a real marriage. 621 00:29:58,930 --> 00:30:01,397 I saw them fighting in the back room. 622 00:30:01,399 --> 00:30:03,466 I saw her falling to the ground. 623 00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:06,703 I saw him throwing her out of the door and yelling at her. 624 00:30:06,705 --> 00:30:09,038 The woman kept saying, "I want to die. I want to die." 625 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,443 And then I saw the man trying to clean the floors inside, 626 00:30:13,445 --> 00:30:15,745 and then he was screaming at me to get out. 627 00:30:15,747 --> 00:30:16,980 Like, he didn't want me to see 628 00:30:16,982 --> 00:30:20,483 what the hell was going on there. 629 00:30:20,485 --> 00:30:22,585 That's pretty interesting stuff she's just talking about... Wow. 630 00:30:22,587 --> 00:30:24,254 because she reminds me of a homicide 631 00:30:24,256 --> 00:30:28,258 I came across in my research that happened about 3/4-mile 632 00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:31,227 from where your house is. 633 00:30:31,229 --> 00:30:34,230 Perp was a guy named Elmer Smith. He was 55. 634 00:30:34,232 --> 00:30:38,568 In 1937, Smith married a woman named Helen Forrest. 635 00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:40,003 Now as soon as she moved there, 636 00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:42,238 they started fighting like cats and dogs, 637 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,439 and after less then a year, 638 00:30:43,441 --> 00:30:45,475 Helen told Elmer she wanted a divorce. 639 00:30:45,477 --> 00:30:49,178 On Thanksgiving night, November 24, 1938, 640 00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:51,648 Elmer and Helen had a horrible fight. 641 00:30:51,650 --> 00:30:54,350 Things got violent, and Helen grabbed a knife. 642 00:30:54,352 --> 00:30:56,519 Elmer grabs a piece of firewood... 643 00:30:56,521 --> 00:31:00,256 ...and bashes her brain in and kills her. 644 00:31:00,258 --> 00:31:01,491 The guy you saw was cleaning the floor 645 00:31:01,493 --> 00:31:04,227 and trying to hide something from you, right? 646 00:31:04,229 --> 00:31:06,496 Yeah. Elmer tried to cover up the homicide. 647 00:31:06,498 --> 00:31:09,966 He took Helen's clothes and the wood 648 00:31:09,968 --> 00:31:11,701 that he bashed her brains in with, and he burned it. 649 00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:13,002 No. 650 00:31:13,004 --> 00:31:16,005 Then he put Helen's body into a burlap bag 651 00:31:16,007 --> 00:31:19,475 and basically dumped it down an old well on the property. 652 00:31:19,477 --> 00:31:23,413 In March of 1939, he got acquitted by a jury. 653 00:31:23,415 --> 00:31:25,782 Turns out, he was very well-liked in the community. 654 00:31:25,784 --> 00:31:27,517 In fact, the local Methodist minister 655 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:29,586 spoke on Elmer's behalf. 656 00:31:29,588 --> 00:31:31,154 Now, Amy, you said the guy you saw 657 00:31:31,156 --> 00:31:33,056 was a man of God until they went crazy. 658 00:31:33,058 --> 00:31:35,091 Well, the minister said in court 659 00:31:35,093 --> 00:31:39,495 that Elmer was in church every week up until the homicide, 660 00:31:39,497 --> 00:31:41,164 then he stopped going. 661 00:31:41,166 --> 00:31:45,034 Now I was able to track down a photo of Elmer. 662 00:31:45,036 --> 00:31:48,771 He's a real peachy-looking type of guy. 663 00:31:48,773 --> 00:31:51,040 Is it possible Elmer's the guy you saw? 664 00:31:51,042 --> 00:31:52,976 I had a sketch done. 665 00:32:02,354 --> 00:32:03,486 This guy's creepy looking. 666 00:32:03,488 --> 00:32:07,223 You guys take a look. 667 00:32:07,225 --> 00:32:10,693 - Wow. - I can see it. 668 00:32:12,831 --> 00:32:14,764 Mouth's perfectly the same. 669 00:32:14,766 --> 00:32:18,067 The nose is perfectly the same. 670 00:32:18,069 --> 00:32:20,536 It's him. 671 00:32:20,538 --> 00:32:23,439 So does this pastor guy do anything to these two? 672 00:32:23,441 --> 00:32:25,241 I think there's a couple of ways 673 00:32:25,243 --> 00:32:29,212 that you would be able to interact with him. 674 00:32:29,214 --> 00:32:32,615 You would see him, more than likely 675 00:32:32,617 --> 00:32:36,819 as an apparition or shadowy figure 676 00:32:36,821 --> 00:32:38,588 with his hat. 677 00:32:40,258 --> 00:32:45,662 Sometimes, we will see a tall shadow figure 678 00:32:45,664 --> 00:32:48,498 with a hat. 679 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,600 One of the things that he was very proud of is that 680 00:32:50,602 --> 00:32:52,468 he can go inside of your minds 681 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:55,772 while you're asleep and enter your dreams, 682 00:32:55,774 --> 00:32:58,074 and he can manipulate them, 683 00:32:58,076 --> 00:33:03,312 so I would assume that you would have serious sleep issues. 684 00:33:03,314 --> 00:33:06,015 When I'm trying to go to bed, 685 00:33:06,017 --> 00:33:08,785 the thoughts will start flying through my head, 686 00:33:08,787 --> 00:33:12,422 just terrible things of car crashes, 687 00:33:12,424 --> 00:33:14,357 and I've actually heard in my head, 688 00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:16,793 "You know, you really should kill yourself 689 00:33:16,795 --> 00:33:19,529 and do them a favor." 690 00:33:19,531 --> 00:33:21,664 The thing that concerned me the most 691 00:33:21,666 --> 00:33:25,802 is that he could potentially get physical with the living, 692 00:33:25,804 --> 00:33:29,005 and what I got was specifically pushing, 693 00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:30,973 punching, and scratching. 694 00:33:30,975 --> 00:33:36,679 I woke up and have felt that I've been punched in the face. 695 00:33:36,681 --> 00:33:38,948 You also get the feeling of being choked, right? 696 00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:40,116 Yes. 697 00:33:40,118 --> 00:33:43,453 I mean, like, the finger down the throat. 698 00:33:43,455 --> 00:33:44,587 Wow. 699 00:33:44,589 --> 00:33:45,955 Edward, do me a favor, and tell Amy about 700 00:33:45,957 --> 00:33:47,557 when you got attacked in the kitchen. 701 00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:51,227 I got kicked violently in the chest. 702 00:33:51,229 --> 00:33:53,863 I flew back, hit my head. 703 00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:58,234 And it totally knocked me stupid. 704 00:33:58,236 --> 00:34:01,204 This is all being caused by this pastor guy? 705 00:34:01,206 --> 00:34:04,073 - Yeah. - I'm frightened. 706 00:34:07,078 --> 00:34:09,645 The next thing I saw is a huge problem 707 00:34:09,647 --> 00:34:12,048 and has me very concerned. 708 00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:14,751 So what I ran into outside 709 00:34:14,753 --> 00:34:17,019 is what's called an earth elemental. 710 00:34:17,021 --> 00:34:20,723 So this is being that was originally part of the Earth, 711 00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:23,025 but something caused this thing 712 00:34:23,027 --> 00:34:27,196 to separate itself from the Earth, 713 00:34:27,198 --> 00:34:30,900 and it became its own conscious entity. 714 00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:33,369 I think that this thing, more than likely, 715 00:34:33,371 --> 00:34:36,539 has affected every person who's ever lived here, 716 00:34:36,541 --> 00:34:38,307 and what it likes to do 717 00:34:38,309 --> 00:34:42,145 is create hardships in people's lives. 718 00:34:42,147 --> 00:34:45,848 And in some very extreme cases, 719 00:34:45,850 --> 00:34:48,084 it could cause death. 720 00:34:48,086 --> 00:34:50,753 I did see a lot of dead bodies during my walk, 721 00:34:50,755 --> 00:34:53,456 and I think they might be from this thing. 722 00:34:53,458 --> 00:34:55,958 There have been a lot of deaths on the property over the years, 723 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,160 but individually, 724 00:34:57,162 --> 00:34:59,595 none of them are that shocking to me. 725 00:34:59,597 --> 00:35:01,430 But the sheer number of the people who have died here 726 00:35:01,432 --> 00:35:03,099 is what stands out to me. 727 00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:04,667 I'll take the Balmer family. 728 00:35:04,669 --> 00:35:07,503 They bought this property back in 1851. 729 00:35:07,505 --> 00:35:10,573 Now, five of them died right here on the property. 730 00:35:10,575 --> 00:35:12,675 I've got their death certificates. 731 00:35:12,677 --> 00:35:14,811 It's just a whole bunch of 'em. 732 00:35:14,813 --> 00:35:16,445 So I had a local genealogist look into 733 00:35:16,447 --> 00:35:18,147 the more recent deaths on your property, 734 00:35:18,149 --> 00:35:20,683 and he came up with four in 50 years. 735 00:35:20,685 --> 00:35:22,451 - So I got... - Wow. 736 00:35:22,453 --> 00:35:23,953 ...another bunch of death certificates 737 00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:25,588 to go with the property. 738 00:35:25,590 --> 00:35:27,924 And the causes of death cover the spectrum. 739 00:35:27,926 --> 00:35:29,425 I mean, we're talking heart attacks, 740 00:35:29,427 --> 00:35:32,695 abdominal problems, intestinal cancer, you name it. 741 00:35:32,697 --> 00:35:35,598 Now, is this elemental thing possibly the reason 742 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,234 for the deaths you're talking about? 743 00:35:38,236 --> 00:35:40,703 It could've caused some of 'em. 744 00:35:40,705 --> 00:35:42,905 Could people see this elemental? What does it look like? 745 00:35:42,907 --> 00:35:45,341 I did have a sketch of what I saw. 746 00:35:53,451 --> 00:35:54,684 The hell is this? 747 00:35:57,422 --> 00:35:58,788 Wow. 748 00:35:58,790 --> 00:36:01,958 This thing's alive? 749 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,127 In a way. 750 00:36:05,129 --> 00:36:07,864 Does this thing live in the tree in the backyard? 751 00:36:09,334 --> 00:36:11,601 So why don't we just go outside, cut it down, and get rid of it? 752 00:36:11,603 --> 00:36:13,803 No. 753 00:36:13,805 --> 00:36:15,404 Why not? 754 00:36:15,406 --> 00:36:18,574 Well, it'll just go to another tree, or it'll go in the Earth. 755 00:36:18,576 --> 00:36:20,142 When he's collected enough energy, 756 00:36:20,144 --> 00:36:24,013 he can break off into little miniatures of himself, 757 00:36:24,015 --> 00:36:26,282 and these are the parts of him 758 00:36:26,284 --> 00:36:30,753 that are able to create chaos in your lives, 759 00:36:30,755 --> 00:36:32,488 and so kind of what I got was that, 760 00:36:32,490 --> 00:36:35,558 all of a sudden, everything will break down. 761 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,059 Your car will break down one day. 762 00:36:37,061 --> 00:36:40,563 The next day, it'll be your A/C, which is not good. 763 00:36:40,565 --> 00:36:44,000 I'm so tired of living like this because now I'm right back to, 764 00:36:44,002 --> 00:36:46,369 "My gosh, the car is broke now. 765 00:36:46,371 --> 00:36:48,638 "The freezer is full of maggots. 766 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,573 "The dishwasher broke, 767 00:36:50,575 --> 00:36:54,377 and the sink in the bathroom broke today." 768 00:36:54,379 --> 00:36:57,713 The other way that it can harm you is, 769 00:36:57,715 --> 00:37:01,984 when it cut itself off from the Earth directly, 770 00:37:01,986 --> 00:37:04,754 it lost its source of food, 771 00:37:04,756 --> 00:37:08,491 and now what it has to do is feed off of living organisms, 772 00:37:08,493 --> 00:37:14,463 specifically living people and occasionally animals. 773 00:37:14,465 --> 00:37:17,767 So, Rene, can you tell Amy about the animals, 774 00:37:17,769 --> 00:37:19,802 situations going on with them? 775 00:37:19,804 --> 00:37:22,171 They die mysteriously. 776 00:37:22,173 --> 00:37:27,476 We don't understand what or how they die. 777 00:37:27,478 --> 00:37:30,246 So, Rene, can you do me a favor, and tell Amy 778 00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:33,115 how you feel drained all the time in the house? 779 00:37:33,117 --> 00:37:38,054 Yeah, absolutely. No energy whatsoever. 780 00:37:38,056 --> 00:37:41,490 I'll get up after sleeping 12 hours, 781 00:37:41,492 --> 00:37:47,530 and within three hours, I'm back in bed. 782 00:37:47,532 --> 00:37:52,001 Long-term exposure to this thing can lead to death. 783 00:37:52,003 --> 00:37:54,570 I saw very specifically organ-function issues, 784 00:37:54,572 --> 00:37:56,739 liver, kidneys, your heart, 785 00:37:56,741 --> 00:37:58,507 so that's why some of these deaths 786 00:37:58,509 --> 00:38:01,811 may have been caused by it, you know, 787 00:38:01,813 --> 00:38:05,181 especially people who are already compromised. 788 00:38:05,183 --> 00:38:06,983 Your health has declined since you've moved to the house. 789 00:38:06,985 --> 00:38:11,387 Yes. I just feel like it's attacking me personally, 790 00:38:11,389 --> 00:38:16,392 physically and mentally and emotionally. 791 00:38:16,394 --> 00:38:17,827 All right. So what does this thing want? 792 00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:22,031 It blames living people for ruining its land. 793 00:38:22,033 --> 00:38:24,934 It actually became fueled by revenge, 794 00:38:24,936 --> 00:38:28,237 and it's trying to stop at nothing to get you to leave. 795 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,807 If you stayed here long enough, it would suck you dry. 796 00:38:31,809 --> 00:38:34,543 - It is, yeah. - That's exactly what we say. 797 00:38:34,545 --> 00:38:35,878 And it's, "My gosh, 798 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,080 is the light being sucked out of us?" 799 00:38:38,082 --> 00:38:39,815 Are they in a lot of danger? 800 00:38:39,817 --> 00:38:41,417 Yeah. Yeah. 801 00:38:43,721 --> 00:38:46,155 It wants you to die. 802 00:39:03,191 --> 00:39:04,691 So, Rene, you called us in 803 00:39:04,693 --> 00:39:07,627 because you thought Edward was in danger and needed saving. 804 00:39:07,629 --> 00:39:11,097 You were right about that, but based on what Amy told us, 805 00:39:11,099 --> 00:39:13,966 you're in a lot of danger, too. 806 00:39:13,968 --> 00:39:17,670 So now the big question is, can you stay here and fight back, 807 00:39:17,672 --> 00:39:20,506 or do you need to get out while you still can? 808 00:39:20,508 --> 00:39:22,709 So for that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 809 00:39:26,047 --> 00:39:28,915 My overall suggestion 810 00:39:28,917 --> 00:39:32,785 would be to move. 811 00:39:32,787 --> 00:39:34,987 Wow. 812 00:39:34,989 --> 00:39:40,026 This would leave no energy source for the elemental, 813 00:39:40,028 --> 00:39:44,764 and I think he would then pass away. 814 00:39:44,766 --> 00:39:47,133 But if you wanted to stay... 815 00:39:49,304 --> 00:39:54,107 you would need to have a male voodoo priest come 816 00:39:54,109 --> 00:40:00,480 and do a ritual in order to expel him. 817 00:40:00,482 --> 00:40:03,950 Why do you need a male voodoo priest to get rid of the pastor? 818 00:40:03,952 --> 00:40:07,386 Because it's something that would absolutely terrify him. 819 00:40:07,388 --> 00:40:10,923 He thinks that he has religion on his side. 820 00:40:10,925 --> 00:40:12,825 The second thing would be to find 821 00:40:12,827 --> 00:40:16,162 a Native American holy person 822 00:40:16,164 --> 00:40:19,699 to try to deal with the elemental. 823 00:40:19,701 --> 00:40:23,970 I don't know if that person would be 100% successful, 824 00:40:23,972 --> 00:40:25,805 so that's where you're taking the chance. 825 00:40:25,807 --> 00:40:28,641 It's a 50/50 shot, and if it doesn't work, 826 00:40:28,643 --> 00:40:33,379 that thing will eventually kill you if you stay here. 827 00:40:33,381 --> 00:40:35,481 Wow. 828 00:40:35,483 --> 00:40:38,284 You really want to take a 50% chance on your life? 829 00:40:38,286 --> 00:40:40,987 - No. - No. It's not worth it. 830 00:40:40,989 --> 00:40:43,523 I want to live. I wanna be happy. 831 00:40:44,859 --> 00:40:48,828 This thing has tried to kill me a couple of times, 832 00:40:48,830 --> 00:40:49,996 and I got lucky. 833 00:40:49,998 --> 00:40:51,531 I want away from it. 834 00:40:51,533 --> 00:40:55,067 You kind of gotta make a hard decision. 835 00:40:55,069 --> 00:40:57,336 I don't see a way out. 836 00:40:57,338 --> 00:41:01,674 We've been looking at houses already. 837 00:41:01,676 --> 00:41:05,545 We'll be prepared, at least emotionally. 838 00:41:05,547 --> 00:41:08,648 It's been a 4-year nightmare, 839 00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:13,386 and this is the first help that I've received. 840 00:41:13,388 --> 00:41:17,123 It's a miracle that we're sitting in front of you. 841 00:41:17,125 --> 00:41:20,359 It really is, and I can't thank you enough. 842 00:41:20,361 --> 00:41:22,762 I'm all right with the answer, though. 843 00:41:22,764 --> 00:41:24,931 Didn't end well, 844 00:41:24,933 --> 00:41:28,935 but we do have a new beginning. 845 00:41:28,937 --> 00:41:31,103 Rene and Edward could have a voodoo priest 846 00:41:31,105 --> 00:41:33,472 remove the pastor guy, 847 00:41:33,474 --> 00:41:36,342 but there's no guarantee a Native American holy person 848 00:41:36,344 --> 00:41:39,078 could get rid of the elemental, 849 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,181 so I really hope they take my advice and move. 850 00:41:42,183 --> 00:41:44,183 If they do that, they should be able to lead 851 00:41:44,185 --> 00:41:46,352 a safe and peaceful life. 852 00:41:46,402 --> 00:41:50,952 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 66099

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