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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,377 --> 00:00:12,911 Something doesn't want us here. 2 00:00:12,913 --> 00:00:17,483 I feel like I'm being strangled by human hands. 3 00:00:17,485 --> 00:00:19,618 Somebody grabbed me. 4 00:00:19,620 --> 00:00:23,088 You shouldn't have had a park here for children. 5 00:00:23,090 --> 00:00:25,190 Why would anybody build an amusement park 6 00:00:25,192 --> 00:00:28,027 out in the middle of nowhere? 7 00:00:28,029 --> 00:00:29,895 People are being brutally murdered. 8 00:00:29,897 --> 00:00:33,164 We found these children dead, scalped. 9 00:00:33,166 --> 00:00:34,533 I don't feel safe here. 10 00:00:34,535 --> 00:00:38,103 I just hear death, too much death. 11 00:00:38,105 --> 00:00:40,272 This is not a good situation. 12 00:00:40,274 --> 00:00:42,474 My name is Amy Allan. 13 00:00:42,476 --> 00:00:43,742 There's death here. 14 00:00:43,744 --> 00:00:45,544 Don't want to go down there. 15 00:00:45,546 --> 00:00:47,045 I see dead people. 16 00:00:47,047 --> 00:00:49,081 They hide in the walls and they watch. 17 00:00:49,083 --> 00:00:51,783 I speak to dead people. 18 00:00:51,785 --> 00:00:54,553 She's definitely a serial killer. 19 00:00:54,555 --> 00:00:56,321 And they speak to me. 20 00:00:56,323 --> 00:00:58,824 She's going to torture them. 21 00:00:58,826 --> 00:01:02,327 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 22 00:01:02,329 --> 00:01:04,363 They were all murdered. 23 00:01:04,365 --> 00:01:06,064 I rely on my partner. 24 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:07,499 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 25 00:01:07,501 --> 00:01:09,434 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 26 00:01:09,436 --> 00:01:12,136 So, is this the only time you've been physically attacked? 27 00:01:12,138 --> 00:01:15,974 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 28 00:01:15,976 --> 00:01:17,709 There's no question in my mind 29 00:01:17,711 --> 00:01:19,611 that he was talking about Satan. 30 00:01:19,613 --> 00:01:21,713 It's my job to reveal them. 31 00:01:21,715 --> 00:01:23,248 Who do you think possessed you? 32 00:01:23,250 --> 00:01:25,016 But Steve and I never speak... 33 00:01:25,018 --> 00:01:27,018 We never communicate during an investigation. 34 00:01:27,020 --> 00:01:28,353 ...until the very end... 35 00:01:28,355 --> 00:01:29,955 Well, you're not gonna want to see this. 36 00:01:29,957 --> 00:01:32,324 ...when we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 37 00:01:32,326 --> 00:01:33,792 Hell no! 38 00:01:33,794 --> 00:01:35,326 ...or time to get out. 39 00:01:35,328 --> 00:01:37,429 Everyone is in jeopardy. 40 00:01:50,678 --> 00:01:52,611 I'm in Lake Shawnee, West Virginia. 41 00:01:52,613 --> 00:01:54,546 It's about 90 miles south of Charleston. 42 00:01:54,548 --> 00:01:56,615 I got a call from a guy named Chris. 43 00:01:56,617 --> 00:01:59,284 Now, he owns an abandoned amusement park, 44 00:01:59,286 --> 00:02:01,687 and it's been in his family for years. 45 00:02:01,689 --> 00:02:03,288 Now, here is the problem. 46 00:02:03,290 --> 00:02:05,657 The activity is bad, and it's getting worse. 47 00:02:05,659 --> 00:02:07,158 Chris thinks it's just a matter of time 48 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,493 before someone gets hurt. 49 00:02:08,495 --> 00:02:10,762 Hopefully, we can help this guy out. 50 00:02:14,568 --> 00:02:17,035 I'm going to start with the easy part, 51 00:02:17,037 --> 00:02:19,938 removing any information in the house, 52 00:02:19,940 --> 00:02:22,908 but this is a huge property with an abandoned theme park, 53 00:02:22,910 --> 00:02:25,644 so I need to cover any signs or memorials, 54 00:02:25,646 --> 00:02:29,114 which could influence Amy's findings. 55 00:02:29,116 --> 00:02:33,718 When I'm done, the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 56 00:02:46,866 --> 00:02:52,271 There's something bad here in the ground. 57 00:02:52,273 --> 00:02:54,306 It's, like, not good. 58 00:02:54,308 --> 00:02:55,941 It's not pure. 59 00:02:55,943 --> 00:03:00,946 It puts off a vibe, a bad, bad vibe. 60 00:03:08,955 --> 00:03:10,689 Now, Chris, when we spoke on the phone, 61 00:03:10,691 --> 00:03:13,725 you had a real sound of concern in your voice. 62 00:03:13,727 --> 00:03:15,160 What's going on? 63 00:03:15,162 --> 00:03:18,897 My mother lives on my property. Activity is picking up. 64 00:03:18,899 --> 00:03:20,699 I just want to make sure that my family 65 00:03:20,701 --> 00:03:22,968 and also the volunteers and the tourists 66 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:24,703 that come here to visit the property, 67 00:03:24,705 --> 00:03:26,638 I want to make sure everybody is just safe. 68 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:28,206 So, Chris, you got to help me out here. 69 00:03:28,208 --> 00:03:29,641 I notice it was an amusement park, 70 00:03:29,643 --> 00:03:31,175 but I see a rusted out Ferris Wheel. 71 00:03:31,177 --> 00:03:32,511 What do you do with this place? 72 00:03:32,513 --> 00:03:37,316 So we give a history tour, and we do ghost-hunting tours. 73 00:03:37,318 --> 00:03:39,450 Listen, I don't know how Amy is going to feel about that, 74 00:03:39,452 --> 00:03:40,719 but just be ready. 75 00:03:40,721 --> 00:03:43,722 She may ask you to cut the ghost-hunting stuff out. 76 00:03:43,724 --> 00:03:45,123 Do me a favor. 77 00:03:45,125 --> 00:03:47,291 Give me a list of what's going on as far as activity. 78 00:03:47,293 --> 00:03:50,662 Guests or volunteers, they're hearing voices, 79 00:03:50,664 --> 00:03:53,632 seeing full-body apparitions. 80 00:03:53,634 --> 00:03:56,335 They are being pushed and shoved. 81 00:03:56,337 --> 00:03:58,136 Chris, you mentioned on the phone that this place 82 00:03:58,138 --> 00:03:59,538 has been in your family a while. 83 00:03:59,540 --> 00:04:02,607 My father had bought this property in 1985. 84 00:04:02,609 --> 00:04:06,545 His dream was to restore it back to an amusement park. 85 00:04:06,547 --> 00:04:09,381 So now, Chris, your father, is he still around? 86 00:04:09,383 --> 00:04:11,083 No, he passed away in 2010. 87 00:04:11,085 --> 00:04:13,685 He died from cancer, but this is a picture of him. 88 00:04:16,223 --> 00:04:18,089 Now, did your father die on the property? 89 00:04:18,091 --> 00:04:21,092 No, he lived here for the last 10 years of his life, 90 00:04:21,094 --> 00:04:22,627 but he died in a hospital. 91 00:04:22,629 --> 00:04:24,028 Okay, so besides your mother, 92 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:25,930 any other family members live here? 93 00:04:25,932 --> 00:04:27,866 My brother lived on the property, 94 00:04:27,868 --> 00:04:29,500 but he died from a heart attack. 95 00:04:29,502 --> 00:04:31,036 How old was he? 96 00:04:31,038 --> 00:04:32,771 He was 51. 97 00:04:32,773 --> 00:04:33,772 And this is a picture of him? 98 00:04:33,774 --> 00:04:35,440 Picture of my brother. 99 00:04:35,442 --> 00:04:37,542 I got to ask the question, you don't think anything 100 00:04:37,544 --> 00:04:39,444 with the paranormal activity had anything to do 101 00:04:39,446 --> 00:04:41,213 with any of the deaths here, do you? 102 00:04:41,215 --> 00:04:43,748 I really can't tell. That's why I called you guys. 103 00:04:43,750 --> 00:04:45,183 Okay. 104 00:04:45,185 --> 00:04:46,151 Why don't you just cut your losses 105 00:04:46,153 --> 00:04:47,518 and just sell this property? 106 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,587 I'm sure you can do pretty well by selling it. 107 00:04:49,589 --> 00:04:51,623 Because it's too important to my father, 108 00:04:51,625 --> 00:04:54,659 and it's too important to the community. 109 00:04:54,661 --> 00:04:55,994 All right, so this was your dad's dream, 110 00:04:55,996 --> 00:04:57,462 to restore this to an amusement park. 111 00:04:57,464 --> 00:04:59,597 I mean, what about you? Do you want to do that? 112 00:04:59,599 --> 00:05:02,634 We pretty much let the land do what it wants. 113 00:05:02,636 --> 00:05:05,070 Okay. If the land wants to create back into an amusement park, 114 00:05:05,072 --> 00:05:06,204 we'll let it happen, 115 00:05:06,206 --> 00:05:08,673 but if it doesn't, we just follow the land. 116 00:05:08,675 --> 00:05:09,908 I have no idea what you're talking about, 117 00:05:09,910 --> 00:05:11,276 but it's your place. 118 00:05:11,278 --> 00:05:13,078 It's your property. All right. 119 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,780 So what do you think is causing the activity here? 120 00:05:14,782 --> 00:05:17,148 I feel that my father and my brother is here. 121 00:05:17,150 --> 00:05:18,683 I mean, you don't think your father and your brother 122 00:05:18,685 --> 00:05:21,786 are causing any of the pushing and shoving that's going on? 123 00:05:21,788 --> 00:05:22,888 Absolutely not. 124 00:05:22,890 --> 00:05:24,956 I think there's other activity here. 125 00:05:24,958 --> 00:05:26,424 Okay. 126 00:05:28,629 --> 00:05:33,231 I'm trying to focus, and it's hard because 127 00:05:33,233 --> 00:05:35,633 there's probably at least 128 00:05:35,635 --> 00:05:42,473 12 conscious entities around here. 129 00:05:42,475 --> 00:05:47,212 I don't feel safe here because something doesn't want us here. 130 00:05:50,984 --> 00:05:53,118 Obviously, there were Native Americans here 131 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,919 because they're saying that, 132 00:05:54,921 --> 00:05:57,189 "This is, like, spiritual," you know, 133 00:05:57,191 --> 00:05:59,124 "A sacred place for us. Don't take it." 134 00:05:59,126 --> 00:06:00,725 And we did anyways. 135 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:12,203 And so, Chris, this is where your mom lives? 136 00:06:12,205 --> 00:06:14,806 Yes, she lives on the property by herself. 137 00:06:14,808 --> 00:06:16,174 I mean, this is in the middle of nowhere. 138 00:06:16,176 --> 00:06:17,475 I mean, you got to be worried about her 139 00:06:17,477 --> 00:06:18,543 even though you live close. 140 00:06:18,545 --> 00:06:20,979 Yeah, she'll call me late at night, 141 00:06:20,981 --> 00:06:23,215 and I just come down to check on her, make sure she's safe. 142 00:06:23,217 --> 00:06:26,250 So now, we talked a lot about your guests, 143 00:06:26,252 --> 00:06:27,919 your volunteers having experiences. 144 00:06:27,921 --> 00:06:29,554 What about you? Have you had any? 145 00:06:29,556 --> 00:06:31,088 Yeah. 146 00:06:31,090 --> 00:06:32,957 Sometimes, whenever I'm in the park doing a little bit of work, 147 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:35,460 I'll catch images out of the side of my eye, 148 00:06:35,462 --> 00:06:37,061 just like shadows. 149 00:06:37,063 --> 00:06:39,096 So what makes you think it's not an actual shadow 150 00:06:39,098 --> 00:06:40,899 from somebody or something? 151 00:06:40,901 --> 00:06:43,368 It's a big lot. Nobody is allowed on it. 152 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:44,903 Okay, anything else? 153 00:06:44,905 --> 00:06:46,838 One time, there was a paranormal investigator. 154 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:48,840 He came to the park, and he stepped inside 155 00:06:48,842 --> 00:06:50,575 of one of the ticket booths we had here. 156 00:06:50,577 --> 00:06:52,143 - Okay. - And whenever he stepped inside, 157 00:06:52,145 --> 00:06:54,913 he'd come flying backwards out of it, 158 00:06:54,915 --> 00:06:56,714 and it looked like something had shoved him out. 159 00:06:56,716 --> 00:06:59,117 Listen, I run into a lot of these people, 160 00:06:59,119 --> 00:07:01,052 and they tend to exaggerate a lot of things. 161 00:07:01,054 --> 00:07:02,854 The way he flew out of that ticket booth, 162 00:07:02,856 --> 00:07:04,990 I don't think he could have done it by himself. 163 00:07:04,992 --> 00:07:06,457 Okay, so it looked legit to you. 164 00:07:06,459 --> 00:07:07,793 To me, it did. 165 00:07:07,795 --> 00:07:10,394 Okay, so you've seen somebody get physically attacked. 166 00:07:10,396 --> 00:07:11,729 Anything like that ever happen to you? 167 00:07:11,731 --> 00:07:13,965 Yeah, whenever I was over at the swing or the Ferris Wheel 168 00:07:13,967 --> 00:07:15,800 and mowing grass, I could feel a pressure 169 00:07:15,802 --> 00:07:18,170 on my shoulders and around my back. 170 00:07:18,172 --> 00:07:20,138 Now, does this happen every time you're out there working? 171 00:07:20,140 --> 00:07:22,641 It's happened several times but not every time. 172 00:07:22,643 --> 00:07:25,243 So it sounds like you've had some pretty scary experiences. 173 00:07:25,245 --> 00:07:27,545 Now, is being here really worth the trouble? 174 00:07:27,547 --> 00:07:30,081 Well, my father had experiences while he was here, 175 00:07:30,083 --> 00:07:31,415 and he wanted to protect the place 176 00:07:31,417 --> 00:07:33,084 for the living and the deceased. 177 00:07:33,086 --> 00:07:34,452 - Okay. - I'm the same way. 178 00:07:34,454 --> 00:07:37,155 I want to protect the place to keep it safe for both. 179 00:07:41,829 --> 00:07:44,696 I'm feeling, like, sick and nervous. 180 00:07:44,698 --> 00:07:49,968 I feel like I'm being strangled by human hands. 181 00:07:49,970 --> 00:07:51,369 It's the Native Americans. 182 00:07:51,371 --> 00:07:53,872 They really don't want me to keep going. 183 00:07:53,874 --> 00:07:55,774 I'm seeing, like, blood. 184 00:07:55,776 --> 00:07:57,042 Where are you seeing the blood? 185 00:07:57,044 --> 00:08:01,046 It's, like, dripping. It's on all of the chains. 186 00:08:03,884 --> 00:08:06,617 The Native Americans caused something bad to happen. 187 00:08:13,993 --> 00:08:16,394 So, Jewell, I was talking to your son, Chris, 188 00:08:16,396 --> 00:08:19,464 and he thinks you may not be safe with all this activity. 189 00:08:19,466 --> 00:08:20,732 Do you agree with that? 190 00:08:20,734 --> 00:08:22,199 - No. - You don't? 191 00:08:22,201 --> 00:08:25,570 Chris wants me to go live with him, but I won't do it. 192 00:08:25,572 --> 00:08:28,339 All right, so have you had any experiences? 193 00:08:28,341 --> 00:08:29,607 Personally, yes. 194 00:08:29,609 --> 00:08:31,943 Okay, so can you tell me about some of them? 195 00:08:31,945 --> 00:08:34,012 There's things always moving. 196 00:08:34,014 --> 00:08:39,784 Sometimes, it's a pencil, keys, just papers, sometimes. 197 00:08:39,786 --> 00:08:41,085 I misplace stuff all the time. 198 00:08:41,087 --> 00:08:43,421 I mean, are you sure it's nothing like that? 199 00:08:43,423 --> 00:08:46,424 No, there is things that I misplace, too. 200 00:08:46,426 --> 00:08:47,725 Okay. 201 00:08:47,727 --> 00:08:51,162 But these things will be things that I just put in a place, 202 00:08:51,164 --> 00:08:55,500 and then I walk out and walk back in, and they're gone. 203 00:08:55,502 --> 00:08:56,968 Okay, so anything else? 204 00:08:56,970 --> 00:08:58,236 Yes. 205 00:08:58,238 --> 00:09:01,105 I've seen an apparition of an Indian warrior. 206 00:09:01,107 --> 00:09:02,641 Why do you say it's a warrior? How do you know that? 207 00:09:02,643 --> 00:09:04,676 Because of the way he's dressed. 208 00:09:04,678 --> 00:09:09,481 He has no shirt, and he had some type of instrument in his hand. 209 00:09:09,483 --> 00:09:12,050 Okay, so it appeared like he was ready for battle. 210 00:09:12,052 --> 00:09:13,051 Right. 211 00:09:13,053 --> 00:09:15,653 Kind of brushed the side of my face. 212 00:09:15,655 --> 00:09:16,855 I think, if I walked in, 213 00:09:16,857 --> 00:09:17,989 and there was an Indian warrior holding a weapon, 214 00:09:17,991 --> 00:09:21,159 I think I'd be a little uneasy about it. 215 00:09:21,161 --> 00:09:22,494 Maybe, you would be. 216 00:09:22,496 --> 00:09:24,729 - But you weren't. - No. 217 00:09:31,004 --> 00:09:35,473 I feel like maybe they've experienced stuff 218 00:09:35,475 --> 00:09:39,678 from the Native Americans. 219 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:43,948 I'm feeling like someone who's alive, 220 00:09:43,950 --> 00:09:49,220 they're panicking about things being moved... 221 00:09:49,222 --> 00:09:52,156 and I do feel like there would be depression here. 222 00:09:55,028 --> 00:09:56,561 I want to extend my condolences. 223 00:09:56,563 --> 00:09:59,431 I understand you lost your husband and your son 224 00:09:59,433 --> 00:10:01,633 while they were living here. Yes. 225 00:10:01,635 --> 00:10:03,501 When you guys were all living together, 226 00:10:03,503 --> 00:10:04,969 did they have experiences? 227 00:10:04,971 --> 00:10:07,238 Yes, they both did. 228 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,574 Jewell, your husband's passion was turning this place 229 00:10:09,576 --> 00:10:11,977 into another amusement park and making it work. 230 00:10:11,979 --> 00:10:14,912 But when that didn't happen, how did he take it? 231 00:10:14,914 --> 00:10:16,781 I think he thought we were failures, 232 00:10:16,783 --> 00:10:19,117 that we couldn't get the business going, 233 00:10:19,119 --> 00:10:21,752 that we couldn't get anything working for us. 234 00:10:21,754 --> 00:10:23,521 Do you think that had something to do with, 235 00:10:23,523 --> 00:10:24,856 maybe, whatever is here doesn't want 236 00:10:24,858 --> 00:10:26,524 another amusement park built. 237 00:10:26,526 --> 00:10:27,959 Yes. 238 00:10:27,961 --> 00:10:33,798 I think that whatever is here wanted to be the attraction. 239 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,334 I don't think it wanted anything else. 240 00:10:36,336 --> 00:10:40,671 I understand your son's death was pretty sudden. 241 00:10:40,673 --> 00:10:42,740 Chris told me he suffered a heart attack. 242 00:10:42,742 --> 00:10:43,908 He was a young man. 243 00:10:43,910 --> 00:10:45,443 He was about 51? 244 00:10:45,445 --> 00:10:46,778 Yeah. 245 00:10:46,780 --> 00:10:48,013 Do you think the paranormal had anything to do 246 00:10:48,015 --> 00:10:49,880 with your other son's death? 247 00:10:49,882 --> 00:10:51,582 Never thought about that. 248 00:10:54,921 --> 00:10:57,321 There was a living person associated with the property, 249 00:10:57,323 --> 00:10:59,157 as having heart issues. 250 00:10:59,159 --> 00:11:01,826 Someone has had a heart attack, male. 251 00:11:01,828 --> 00:11:09,500 It's a result of being exposed to the energy. 252 00:11:09,502 --> 00:11:11,803 I believe it stems from the Native Americans 253 00:11:11,805 --> 00:11:13,771 who don't want anybody there. 254 00:11:13,773 --> 00:11:18,009 I just hear death, too much death. 255 00:11:41,718 --> 00:11:43,585 So, Christian, I was talking to your dad today. 256 00:11:43,587 --> 00:11:44,786 I understand you might have had 257 00:11:44,788 --> 00:11:46,320 some scary stuff happen to you here. 258 00:11:46,322 --> 00:11:47,522 - Yes. - All right. 259 00:11:47,524 --> 00:11:48,856 Can you tell me about one of them? 260 00:11:48,858 --> 00:11:50,792 When I walk around here, 261 00:11:50,794 --> 00:11:53,528 sometimes I feel like there's people walking behind me. 262 00:11:53,530 --> 00:11:55,330 All over the place or in certain spots? 263 00:11:55,332 --> 00:11:57,865 It's at random times in certain spots. 264 00:11:57,867 --> 00:11:59,200 Do you hear anything behind you? 265 00:11:59,202 --> 00:12:03,537 I feel like I hear footsteps and people walking in the grass. 266 00:12:03,539 --> 00:12:04,739 Okay. 267 00:12:04,741 --> 00:12:05,874 Anything else happen? 268 00:12:05,876 --> 00:12:09,010 When I was down over at the swings, 269 00:12:09,012 --> 00:12:11,579 and I felt like somebody grabbed me 270 00:12:11,581 --> 00:12:13,815 and held my arms to my body. 271 00:12:13,817 --> 00:12:15,583 Okay, you mean, like, somebody grabbed both of your... 272 00:12:15,585 --> 00:12:16,717 Like that? 273 00:12:16,719 --> 00:12:18,285 Yes. 274 00:12:18,287 --> 00:12:19,887 So when you got grabbed, do you think 275 00:12:19,889 --> 00:12:21,422 it was somebody trying to tell you something? 276 00:12:21,424 --> 00:12:24,425 Yes, like there's a bad spirit maybe in front of me, 277 00:12:24,427 --> 00:12:28,095 so they were trying to stop me and make me turn around. 278 00:12:28,097 --> 00:12:30,432 Now, would you ever stay here by yourself overnight? 279 00:12:30,434 --> 00:12:31,733 No, not really. 280 00:12:31,735 --> 00:12:34,101 Okay, what about staying at grandma's home? 281 00:12:34,103 --> 00:12:35,336 - No. - No? 282 00:12:35,338 --> 00:12:37,172 Okay. 283 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:42,576 This is weird. 284 00:12:42,578 --> 00:12:45,580 There's something trying to protect the living here. 285 00:12:45,582 --> 00:12:50,785 It's not human, and it was very, very large, 286 00:12:50,787 --> 00:12:53,854 at least eight feet tall. 287 00:12:53,856 --> 00:12:57,292 It was behind us on the road. 288 00:12:57,294 --> 00:13:00,795 It had, like, robes on. 289 00:13:00,797 --> 00:13:04,999 You know what's weird is that that thing that's here 290 00:13:05,001 --> 00:13:11,339 with the robes is not Native American, but it's old. 291 00:13:11,341 --> 00:13:18,479 He's more trying to keep people away 292 00:13:18,481 --> 00:13:20,682 because bad things happen to people, 293 00:13:20,684 --> 00:13:27,155 so I don't think he's exactly bad, but he scares me. 294 00:13:33,797 --> 00:13:36,097 After meeting with Chris and his family, 295 00:13:36,099 --> 00:13:39,233 I started talking to people who had spent time at the park. 296 00:13:39,235 --> 00:13:41,168 I never feel alone. 297 00:13:41,170 --> 00:13:43,371 It always feels like there's somebody around me, 298 00:13:43,373 --> 00:13:45,907 with me, that feeling of being watched. 299 00:13:45,909 --> 00:13:48,276 It is definitely an uneasy feeling for me. 300 00:13:48,278 --> 00:13:50,377 And each one of them has some damn good reasons 301 00:13:50,379 --> 00:13:51,713 to be terrified. 302 00:13:51,715 --> 00:13:55,683 I saw an apparition of a man walking right here on the road, 303 00:13:55,685 --> 00:14:00,321 and he take four to five steps, and he vanished into nowhere. 304 00:14:00,323 --> 00:14:02,022 But one thing they all had in common, 305 00:14:02,024 --> 00:14:04,692 they were seeing shadows, lots of them. 306 00:14:04,694 --> 00:14:07,328 There was a time where I've seen a shadow figure. 307 00:14:07,330 --> 00:14:08,730 It was like a figure of a man. 308 00:14:08,732 --> 00:14:11,366 There was this overwhelming sense of anxiety, 309 00:14:11,368 --> 00:14:13,034 and I just felt like I had to get out of there. 310 00:14:17,206 --> 00:14:20,908 I'm trying to focus. 311 00:14:20,910 --> 00:14:24,345 There is this other thing, a child, 312 00:14:24,347 --> 00:14:28,383 a male between 8 and 9 years of age. 313 00:14:28,385 --> 00:14:32,219 He has taken it upon himself to be, like, 314 00:14:32,221 --> 00:14:34,221 a guard or something, 315 00:14:34,223 --> 00:14:37,392 and he's, like, watching all the time. 316 00:14:37,394 --> 00:14:39,627 I think that people would absolutely mistake him for, 317 00:14:39,629 --> 00:14:44,766 like, a shadow person because he's completely solid black. 318 00:14:44,768 --> 00:14:46,567 Like, he feels like it's stronger 319 00:14:46,569 --> 00:14:49,904 than just looking like a person. 320 00:14:49,906 --> 00:14:52,807 They shouldn't have had a park here for children. 321 00:14:55,378 --> 00:14:57,778 I don't like it. It makes me uncomfortable. 322 00:14:57,780 --> 00:15:02,716 Like, I'm scared, feel like I'm being watched. 323 00:15:02,718 --> 00:15:04,785 There's a bad person here. 324 00:15:04,787 --> 00:15:06,054 I know it's a male. 325 00:15:06,056 --> 00:15:09,157 This person is crazy and isn't thinking straight, 326 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:11,826 anger, lots of anger. 327 00:15:11,828 --> 00:15:13,795 Like, I want to throw up. 328 00:15:13,797 --> 00:15:17,665 It's almost like he blanks out from the rage. 329 00:15:17,667 --> 00:15:19,033 I don't like this. 330 00:15:32,031 --> 00:15:33,931 All right, I'm going to start my investigation 331 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:35,566 with the obvious question, 332 00:15:35,568 --> 00:15:38,636 who the hell built an amusement park in the middle of nowhere, 333 00:15:38,638 --> 00:15:40,805 and why did it shut down? 334 00:15:40,807 --> 00:15:42,306 I'm heading back to the property to meet 335 00:15:42,308 --> 00:15:44,575 with a local historian who says it's a story 336 00:15:44,577 --> 00:15:46,644 I'm definitely going to want to know about. 337 00:15:51,584 --> 00:15:54,318 Pat, I want to thank you for helping me out with this case. 338 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,621 So why would anybody build an amusement park 339 00:15:56,623 --> 00:15:58,289 out in the middle of nowhere? 340 00:15:58,291 --> 00:16:00,758 It is the intersection of two main roads 341 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,694 where there are a lot of people coal mining 342 00:16:03,696 --> 00:16:05,463 that had nothing to do. 343 00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:06,930 Who opened this place? 344 00:16:06,932 --> 00:16:08,833 A man named Conley Snidow, 345 00:16:08,835 --> 00:16:12,103 and here's what it looked like in its heyday. 346 00:16:12,105 --> 00:16:13,771 He opened it in 1926. 347 00:16:13,773 --> 00:16:16,307 The biggest attraction was the swimming pool. 348 00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:19,043 Over here was a fishing hole. 349 00:16:19,045 --> 00:16:20,644 There was paddle boating. 350 00:16:20,646 --> 00:16:24,148 There were canoe rides, and then right here, where we were, 351 00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:28,586 was the bath house, which had Saturday-night dances. 352 00:16:28,588 --> 00:16:30,287 - Are you from this area? - I am. 353 00:16:30,289 --> 00:16:32,557 I came here a lot when I was small. 354 00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:34,292 You mentioned on the phone there was some information 355 00:16:34,294 --> 00:16:35,226 I was going to want to know about. 356 00:16:35,228 --> 00:16:36,327 What did you mean by that? 357 00:16:36,329 --> 00:16:37,962 There were three deaths that were connected 358 00:16:37,964 --> 00:16:39,831 with Lake Shawnee. - All right. 359 00:16:39,833 --> 00:16:41,232 So let's go through these deaths one by one. 360 00:16:41,234 --> 00:16:42,633 What was the first one? 361 00:16:42,635 --> 00:16:46,804 In 1927, Conley Snidow's 3- year-old daughter, Eloise, 362 00:16:46,806 --> 00:16:49,674 was killed at the hotel where they lived. 363 00:16:49,676 --> 00:16:53,044 One day, she ran for the elevator to get on it. 364 00:16:53,046 --> 00:16:55,546 She grabbed for the floor of the elevator, 365 00:16:55,548 --> 00:17:00,218 and it pulled her up and crushed her between that and the doors. 366 00:17:00,220 --> 00:17:01,485 That's a pretty sad death. 367 00:17:01,487 --> 00:17:02,653 What about the second one? 368 00:17:02,655 --> 00:17:04,321 Second death actually happened here 369 00:17:04,323 --> 00:17:06,657 at Lake Shawnee in the swimming pool. 370 00:17:06,659 --> 00:17:09,526 It was a 6-year-old child named Wayne Harman. 371 00:17:09,528 --> 00:17:11,695 That happened in 1961. 372 00:17:11,697 --> 00:17:14,399 Evidently, he jumped in, and no one paid attention, 373 00:17:14,401 --> 00:17:17,001 and someone brushed up against his body 374 00:17:17,003 --> 00:17:18,068 at the bottom of the pool, 375 00:17:18,070 --> 00:17:19,570 and they came up and yelled to the lifeguard, 376 00:17:19,572 --> 00:17:22,273 and they pulled him out, but it was too late. 377 00:17:22,275 --> 00:17:23,708 What about the third one? 378 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:27,010 The third one happened July 3, 1966, 379 00:17:27,012 --> 00:17:28,079 right in the pool here, 380 00:17:28,081 --> 00:17:31,882 John Richard Tolley, who was 11 years old. 381 00:17:31,884 --> 00:17:33,751 Here's an article about it, 382 00:17:33,753 --> 00:17:36,087 and he was stuck in the drain at the bottom of the pool. 383 00:17:36,089 --> 00:17:37,488 What a shame. 384 00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:39,022 So in the matter of five years, 385 00:17:39,024 --> 00:17:40,691 he has two drownings in the same pool. 386 00:17:40,693 --> 00:17:42,960 That was the straw that broke the camel's back 387 00:17:42,962 --> 00:17:44,662 for Mr. Conley Snidow. 388 00:17:44,664 --> 00:17:46,831 He closed it down, never reopened it. 389 00:17:46,833 --> 00:17:48,633 Anybody who can relate to what those parents went through, 390 00:17:48,635 --> 00:17:50,034 it was him. - Absolutely. 391 00:17:50,036 --> 00:17:52,637 It must have weighed very heavily on his conscious for him 392 00:17:52,639 --> 00:17:55,840 to close down a park that was making money for him. Right. 393 00:17:55,842 --> 00:17:56,974 So, Pat, I wouldn't normally ask 394 00:17:56,976 --> 00:17:58,176 a person like you this question, 395 00:17:58,178 --> 00:18:00,511 but you told me you came here as a kid. 396 00:18:00,513 --> 00:18:03,180 Now, was there anything that happened that you can't explain? 397 00:18:03,182 --> 00:18:04,314 Yes. 398 00:18:04,316 --> 00:18:06,450 I was swimming right here as a 5-year-old, 399 00:18:06,452 --> 00:18:09,720 and something grabbed me by the bottom of my leg 400 00:18:09,722 --> 00:18:13,458 and pulled me under, and I went down into a hole. 401 00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:16,661 My father had to pull me up by the hair on my head. 402 00:18:16,663 --> 00:18:19,396 Any thoughts about what might have happened to you here or... 403 00:18:19,398 --> 00:18:20,998 Something grabbed me. 404 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,132 It felt like a hand. 405 00:18:22,134 --> 00:18:23,634 When I heard about those children, 406 00:18:23,636 --> 00:18:26,136 the first thing that came into my head was, 407 00:18:26,138 --> 00:18:28,539 "What grabbed them and pulled them under?" 408 00:18:31,944 --> 00:18:35,279 The water repels me. 409 00:18:35,281 --> 00:18:37,548 There's been losses. 410 00:18:37,550 --> 00:18:41,352 I'm feeling tragedies associated with this. 411 00:18:41,354 --> 00:18:45,756 I think that people died there when it was a park. 412 00:18:48,661 --> 00:18:51,963 I'm seeing two, so I don't know if two people got hurt 413 00:18:51,965 --> 00:18:53,697 or they died. 414 00:18:53,699 --> 00:18:55,700 - How recent? - '70s? 415 00:18:55,702 --> 00:18:57,435 maybe it is '60s. 416 00:18:57,437 --> 00:19:00,838 Native Americans caused accidents to happen. 417 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,174 It's just horrible. 418 00:19:04,176 --> 00:19:06,277 So I'm walking over to meet a genealogist 419 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:08,112 who was doing some research on this place for me, 420 00:19:08,114 --> 00:19:10,447 and he came up with something big. 421 00:19:10,449 --> 00:19:12,583 Turns out, the original owners of this land 422 00:19:12,585 --> 00:19:14,986 got ambushed by local Native Americans, 423 00:19:14,988 --> 00:19:16,587 and it was a bloodbath. 424 00:19:20,727 --> 00:19:22,660 Well, Dan, I appreciate you helping me out with this case. 425 00:19:22,662 --> 00:19:24,395 You said on the phone there was a pretty brutal 426 00:19:24,397 --> 00:19:26,130 Indian attack on this land. 427 00:19:26,132 --> 00:19:27,164 That's correct. 428 00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:28,266 Okay, so before we even get to that, 429 00:19:28,268 --> 00:19:29,934 what do you know about the original owners? 430 00:19:29,936 --> 00:19:32,737 The original owner was a man by the name of Mitchell Clay. 431 00:19:32,739 --> 00:19:33,938 He was from Eastern Virginia. 432 00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:37,408 He was a wealthy tobacco planter, a slave owner, 433 00:19:37,410 --> 00:19:41,144 and in 1775, Mitchell Clay, his wife, Phoebe, 434 00:19:41,146 --> 00:19:43,147 and their 14 children moved onto the land, 435 00:19:43,149 --> 00:19:44,415 and this would have been the cabin 436 00:19:44,417 --> 00:19:46,217 that they built and lived in. 437 00:19:46,219 --> 00:19:47,718 Okay, so they settled here. 438 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:48,953 What about local Indian tribes? 439 00:19:48,955 --> 00:19:51,288 There were no permanent local Indian settlements here. 440 00:19:51,290 --> 00:19:53,624 However, the Shawnee Indians would pass through here 441 00:19:53,626 --> 00:19:54,825 periodically to hunt. 442 00:19:54,827 --> 00:19:57,428 Did Indians ever inhabit this land at some point? 443 00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:59,096 In the 1400s, there were certainly 444 00:19:59,098 --> 00:20:00,298 Indian settlements here. 445 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:02,366 In fact, the current landowner, back in the late '80s, 446 00:20:02,368 --> 00:20:05,036 accidentally excavated a grave site 447 00:20:05,038 --> 00:20:07,738 just on this corner of the property over here, 448 00:20:07,740 --> 00:20:11,642 21 sets of remains, and 13 were children, 449 00:20:11,644 --> 00:20:14,245 and it's possible that there are many more remains here. 450 00:20:14,247 --> 00:20:15,579 Okay, so let's get to the attack. 451 00:20:15,581 --> 00:20:16,713 What happened? 452 00:20:16,715 --> 00:20:18,316 In the fall of 1783, Mitchell Clay 453 00:20:18,318 --> 00:20:19,783 and his two oldest sons had gone hunting. 454 00:20:19,785 --> 00:20:21,852 They'd left two of the boys, Ezekiel and Bartley, 455 00:20:21,854 --> 00:20:23,654 to build a fence around some of their fields. 456 00:20:23,656 --> 00:20:27,257 Shawnee Indians fired a shot and killed Bartley on the spot, 457 00:20:27,259 --> 00:20:28,459 only 17 years old. 458 00:20:28,461 --> 00:20:30,761 Bartley's sister, Tabitha, rushed to his aid. 459 00:20:30,763 --> 00:20:32,129 She wound up being stabbed repeatedly, 460 00:20:32,131 --> 00:20:34,731 and she died on this very spot. 461 00:20:34,733 --> 00:20:37,601 Once Bartley and Tabitha were dead, 462 00:20:37,603 --> 00:20:40,270 the Indians scalped both of them and then grabbed 463 00:20:40,272 --> 00:20:43,273 and kidnapped their 16-year-old brother, Ezekiel. 464 00:20:43,275 --> 00:20:45,543 Short time later, Mitchell Clay returned 465 00:20:45,545 --> 00:20:47,077 with his oldest sons. 466 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:49,914 He found his children dead and scalped. 467 00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:51,748 What does he do? 468 00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:54,018 He then gathers a posse, 469 00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:58,022 and they pursue the Indians who had taken Ezekiel 470 00:20:58,024 --> 00:21:00,157 about 150 miles into Ohio. 471 00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:01,725 Does he find them? 472 00:21:01,727 --> 00:21:03,761 He finds them, but he finds them too late. 473 00:21:03,763 --> 00:21:06,096 By the time he catches up with them, 474 00:21:06,098 --> 00:21:07,632 they have tortured young Ezekiel 475 00:21:07,634 --> 00:21:09,233 and burned him at the stake. 476 00:21:09,235 --> 00:21:10,467 All right. 477 00:21:10,469 --> 00:21:12,303 Mitchell Clay, three dead kids. 478 00:21:12,305 --> 00:21:14,104 - Yes, sir. - And he comes home? 479 00:21:14,106 --> 00:21:15,239 No. 480 00:21:15,241 --> 00:21:17,775 He sells the farm, and then they move 481 00:21:17,777 --> 00:21:19,644 many miles away back into Virginia, 482 00:21:19,646 --> 00:21:22,380 and he lives there the rest of his life with his wife, 483 00:21:22,382 --> 00:21:26,016 and they die there. 484 00:21:26,018 --> 00:21:28,385 There's a bunch of happy people. 485 00:21:28,387 --> 00:21:30,854 They were all white. 486 00:21:30,856 --> 00:21:32,022 It's all good vibes. 487 00:21:32,024 --> 00:21:34,392 You know, people are singing and dancing. 488 00:21:34,394 --> 00:21:40,064 There's, like, a covered-wagon thing, I think 1760s. 489 00:21:40,066 --> 00:21:42,066 Then, the Native Americans got really mad, 490 00:21:42,068 --> 00:21:44,702 and then it kind of went a little nuts. 491 00:21:47,273 --> 00:21:48,872 And I'm hearing screaming and yelling 492 00:21:48,874 --> 00:21:50,441 and people running around. 493 00:21:50,443 --> 00:21:51,942 They were caught off guard. 494 00:21:51,944 --> 00:21:53,878 People are being brutally murdered. 495 00:21:56,682 --> 00:21:59,649 Then I'm with this mother, and I think I want to die, 496 00:21:59,651 --> 00:22:01,085 want to kill myself. 497 00:22:01,087 --> 00:22:03,353 It's survivor's guilt. 498 00:22:03,355 --> 00:22:05,622 There's a lot of pain here. 499 00:22:05,624 --> 00:22:07,892 These souls are not at rest. 500 00:22:14,567 --> 00:22:16,567 For more information about the show 501 00:22:16,569 --> 00:22:18,702 and if you need us to investigate unexplained 502 00:22:18,704 --> 00:22:19,970 activity in your home... 503 00:22:19,972 --> 00:22:23,574 Please visit travelchannel.com/thedeadfiles. 504 00:22:23,576 --> 00:22:24,909 Click on "Help Me, Dead Files!" 505 00:22:24,911 --> 00:22:26,377 to submit your story, and we'll help if we can. 506 00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:36,286 So far, I've got a client who fears 507 00:22:36,288 --> 00:22:37,621 for the safety of his mother, 508 00:22:37,623 --> 00:22:39,690 volunteers, and guests 509 00:22:39,692 --> 00:22:41,992 on a property where two kids drowned, 510 00:22:41,994 --> 00:22:43,360 two other kids were murdered, 511 00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:45,863 and where Native American remains were found, 512 00:22:45,865 --> 00:22:48,432 but I want to see if there's anything else. 513 00:22:48,434 --> 00:22:49,767 Searching through old records, 514 00:22:49,769 --> 00:22:51,635 I found an article about a brutal murder 515 00:22:51,637 --> 00:22:54,705 that took place in 1935. 516 00:22:54,707 --> 00:22:58,109 Turns out, it happened right along Chris' property. 517 00:22:58,111 --> 00:22:59,477 So I called the local cops, 518 00:22:59,479 --> 00:23:01,412 and they don't want to talk to me about this case, 519 00:23:01,414 --> 00:23:03,614 but my old friend Matt McGrew does. 520 00:23:03,616 --> 00:23:05,182 I'm heading over to meet with him now, 521 00:23:05,184 --> 00:23:08,218 and he says this murder turned out to be a crime of passion. 522 00:23:13,125 --> 00:23:14,458 So, Matt, it's good to see you again. 523 00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:16,260 I appreciate you helping out with this case. 524 00:23:16,262 --> 00:23:18,529 Now, what do you know about this perp? 525 00:23:18,531 --> 00:23:20,965 Well, his name is James Craft Belcher. 526 00:23:20,967 --> 00:23:23,567 He's a local guy, 25 years old. 527 00:23:23,569 --> 00:23:24,802 Belcher, the name sounds familiar. 528 00:23:24,804 --> 00:23:26,604 I think it came up in my title search. 529 00:23:26,606 --> 00:23:28,939 His grandparents actually owned the property 530 00:23:28,941 --> 00:23:30,274 in the early 1900s. 531 00:23:30,276 --> 00:23:32,042 So there's a good possibility 532 00:23:32,044 --> 00:23:34,144 the perp spent time on my client's property. 533 00:23:34,146 --> 00:23:36,547 Definitely, and he would have grown up there. 534 00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:38,849 All right, so what do we know about the victim? 535 00:23:38,851 --> 00:23:45,389 He actually was seeing a woman named Myrtle Taylor. 536 00:23:45,391 --> 00:23:47,424 She's 19 years old. She's a local girl. 537 00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:49,026 They've grown up in the same area. 538 00:23:49,028 --> 00:23:51,095 All right, so now, take me to the night of the murder. 539 00:23:51,097 --> 00:23:53,631 On the night of May 11, 1935, 540 00:23:53,633 --> 00:23:55,432 Belcher goes into a restaurant and sees 541 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:57,868 Myrtle eating dinner with another man, 542 00:23:57,870 --> 00:23:59,937 so as you might imagine, they start fighting about it. 543 00:23:59,939 --> 00:24:01,304 Okay. 544 00:24:01,306 --> 00:24:02,505 And she doesn't want to leave. 545 00:24:02,507 --> 00:24:04,041 You know, she can tell he's upset, 546 00:24:04,043 --> 00:24:06,577 but he forces her to leave with him 547 00:24:06,579 --> 00:24:10,914 and forces her into the car. 548 00:24:10,916 --> 00:24:15,719 I don't feel good, and I am getting, like, a pain, like, 549 00:24:15,721 --> 00:24:19,189 here and here, really bad, actually. 550 00:24:19,191 --> 00:24:21,392 I think somebody got hit there. 551 00:24:21,394 --> 00:24:25,195 I think it's a woman. 552 00:24:25,197 --> 00:24:29,532 I think between 14 and 16 years of age, 553 00:24:29,534 --> 00:24:35,138 she seemed to be from a long time ago, like the '40s. 554 00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:37,774 I feel like there's a bad person here. 555 00:24:37,776 --> 00:24:41,945 I don't know who this person is. 556 00:24:41,947 --> 00:24:46,116 I know it's a male, and she knows him. 557 00:24:46,118 --> 00:24:47,551 Do you know what happened? 558 00:24:47,553 --> 00:24:52,056 I know that his intentions were not good. 559 00:24:52,058 --> 00:24:54,558 Okay, so this guy basically kidnapped his own girlfriend. 560 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:55,626 So what happened? 561 00:24:55,628 --> 00:24:57,561 Somewhere along Rock-Shawnee Road, 562 00:24:57,563 --> 00:24:59,830 which is right along your client's property, 563 00:24:59,832 --> 00:25:01,899 they stop the car, and they get out. 564 00:25:01,901 --> 00:25:05,302 He pulls out a gun, and he shoots her in the head twice. 565 00:25:05,304 --> 00:25:08,505 I'm assuming she gets killed right there and then. 566 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:10,140 No, he puts her back into the car. 567 00:25:10,142 --> 00:25:13,477 She's still alive, and he drives her to the hospital, 568 00:25:13,479 --> 00:25:16,914 but obviously, she's basically in a coma at this point. 569 00:25:16,916 --> 00:25:18,581 She dies a few hours later. 570 00:25:18,583 --> 00:25:20,050 Does he confess to it? 571 00:25:20,052 --> 00:25:24,721 He goes to trial, and he actually makes an insanity plea. 572 00:25:24,723 --> 00:25:26,023 The jury doesn't buy it. 573 00:25:26,025 --> 00:25:27,391 They convict him. - All right. 574 00:25:27,393 --> 00:25:29,125 So did this guy ever get parole, or did he die in prison? 575 00:25:29,127 --> 00:25:32,930 No, he dies in prison in 1993 when he was 85. 576 00:25:32,932 --> 00:25:34,298 I've seen this a thousand times. 577 00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:36,800 I mean, it's a crime of passion, a lot of rage here. 578 00:25:36,802 --> 00:25:37,901 That's right. 579 00:25:37,903 --> 00:25:39,803 It's a shame he never hung, though. 580 00:25:42,441 --> 00:25:46,176 That guy that she knew was attacking her. 581 00:25:46,178 --> 00:25:47,677 God, it hurts. 582 00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:53,083 There was blood in her mouth, and the pain was horrible, 583 00:25:53,085 --> 00:25:57,788 and she was, like, basically going into shock at that time. 584 00:25:57,790 --> 00:26:01,892 This female, I believe, was abducted or murdered 585 00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:03,327 by this man. 586 00:26:03,329 --> 00:26:06,630 The sun is, like, just starting to go down 587 00:26:06,632 --> 00:26:07,865 when all of this happened, 588 00:26:07,867 --> 00:26:10,601 and there's, like, a lot of adrenaline and anger, 589 00:26:13,605 --> 00:26:17,107 Rage, just blind rage. 590 00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:28,651 During my walk, I saw several disturbing things, 591 00:26:28,653 --> 00:26:32,256 but the teenage girl who was murdered really stood out. 592 00:26:32,258 --> 00:26:34,191 She was younger. 593 00:26:34,193 --> 00:26:38,128 I'd place her between 14 and 16 years of age. 594 00:26:38,130 --> 00:26:41,265 Her eyes were more rounded in shape. 595 00:26:43,936 --> 00:26:47,871 Her hair was brown or dark blonde. 596 00:26:56,348 --> 00:26:58,382 Amy, is this what you saw? 597 00:26:58,384 --> 00:27:00,017 Yes. 598 00:27:19,522 --> 00:27:22,322 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 599 00:27:22,324 --> 00:27:24,391 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 600 00:27:24,393 --> 00:27:28,062 and our clients for the first time. 601 00:27:28,064 --> 00:27:29,529 Well, Amy, let's start with the obvious. 602 00:27:29,531 --> 00:27:30,998 I mean, I'm sure you figured out by now 603 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,933 that this used to be an amusement park. 604 00:27:32,935 --> 00:27:35,001 Chris owns it here with his mom, Jewell, 605 00:27:35,003 --> 00:27:37,003 who lives on the property alone. 606 00:27:37,005 --> 00:27:38,672 We'll get into the reasons why this place means 607 00:27:38,674 --> 00:27:41,542 so much to them later, but for now, Chris called us in 608 00:27:41,544 --> 00:27:43,510 because he's not sure if it's safe for his mom 609 00:27:43,512 --> 00:27:44,878 to be here alone 610 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,747 or for anybody else that comes onto the property. 611 00:27:47,749 --> 00:27:49,349 Now that Amy knows a little bit about you guys, 612 00:27:49,351 --> 00:27:51,085 I'll ask her to describe her walk with us. 613 00:27:53,622 --> 00:27:55,622 This walk was really overwhelming 614 00:27:55,624 --> 00:27:57,324 because I encountered 615 00:27:57,326 --> 00:28:01,761 at least 12 conscious entities that are here. 616 00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:05,465 It would take all night to go into each one of them, 617 00:28:05,467 --> 00:28:07,501 so I'm just going to focus on the ones 618 00:28:07,503 --> 00:28:10,771 specifically who can directly influence the living. 619 00:28:10,773 --> 00:28:13,440 The first individual I encountered, actually, 620 00:28:13,442 --> 00:28:17,211 a little boy, I would say he was about 8 or 9, 621 00:28:17,213 --> 00:28:19,846 and what he's doing is he's taken it upon himself 622 00:28:19,848 --> 00:28:23,050 to kind of, like, be a guard here 623 00:28:23,052 --> 00:28:26,253 and watch everybody's coming and going. 624 00:28:26,255 --> 00:28:29,088 Obviously, I think you would feel watched by him. 625 00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:33,660 You might be able to see him, like a blocky shadow person. 626 00:28:33,662 --> 00:28:35,429 Everybody I spoke to and interviewed 627 00:28:35,431 --> 00:28:38,332 had the experience of feeling watched or seeing shadows. 628 00:28:38,334 --> 00:28:40,133 Now, you told me you saw shadows, right, Chris? 629 00:28:40,135 --> 00:28:41,301 Yes, out of the side of my eye, 630 00:28:41,303 --> 00:28:43,570 I would catch a shadow every once in a while. 631 00:28:43,572 --> 00:28:44,938 So, Chris, do me a favor. 632 00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:47,341 Tell Amy how your son feels like he's being followed. 633 00:28:47,343 --> 00:28:48,608 Yeah, whenever he goes around the park, 634 00:28:48,610 --> 00:28:50,410 he feels like somebody is following him, 635 00:28:50,412 --> 00:28:51,745 and then whenever he stops, 636 00:28:51,747 --> 00:28:54,147 he hears two more steps behind him. 637 00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:55,716 Interesting. 638 00:28:55,718 --> 00:28:58,752 There was another dead male here who was an adult. 639 00:28:58,754 --> 00:29:01,488 What I got mainly off of him was a lot of adrenaline, 640 00:29:01,490 --> 00:29:04,892 a lot of anger, and a lot of rage. 641 00:29:04,894 --> 00:29:08,728 If a living person was exposed to that energy consistently, 642 00:29:08,730 --> 00:29:14,034 they could feel intense anxiety like they're being stalked. 643 00:29:14,036 --> 00:29:15,969 I interviewed a guy named Bob who does volunteer work 644 00:29:15,971 --> 00:29:17,404 for you on the property. 645 00:29:17,406 --> 00:29:20,440 Now, he told me he got hit with some serious anxiety 646 00:29:20,442 --> 00:29:22,742 by the old school bus that's right over here, 647 00:29:22,744 --> 00:29:25,245 but it was so bad that he had to run off the property. 648 00:29:25,247 --> 00:29:27,380 Wow. 649 00:29:27,382 --> 00:29:31,652 Next, I ran into a very old and very strange thing. 650 00:29:31,654 --> 00:29:35,923 It's, like, 8 feet tall, and it has all these robes on. 651 00:29:35,925 --> 00:29:38,124 I was really uncomfortable at first. 652 00:29:38,126 --> 00:29:40,594 So he's actually someone who's trying to warn 653 00:29:40,596 --> 00:29:43,930 and protect, which I found freaking fascinating. 654 00:29:43,932 --> 00:29:45,698 Well, let me ask you a question because 655 00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:46,766 when I spoke to your son, 656 00:29:46,768 --> 00:29:48,268 he told me he felt like he got grabbed. 657 00:29:48,270 --> 00:29:52,072 Now, he told me he felt like it was somebody protecting him 658 00:29:52,074 --> 00:29:54,608 to stop from going into a bad area. 659 00:29:54,610 --> 00:29:56,343 Could be. 660 00:29:56,345 --> 00:29:58,779 You told me you get touched while you're on your tractor. 661 00:29:58,781 --> 00:30:00,480 Yeah, I feel a little bit of pressure 662 00:30:00,482 --> 00:30:01,748 on my shoulders and stuff, 663 00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:03,083 like something is behind me. 664 00:30:03,085 --> 00:30:05,485 Now, who do you think that could be, touching his shoulders? 665 00:30:05,487 --> 00:30:07,387 There's a lot of people. 666 00:30:07,389 --> 00:30:09,689 Possibly, your dad. 667 00:30:09,691 --> 00:30:13,026 Could be. 668 00:30:13,028 --> 00:30:15,562 One thing that I got throughout my walk 669 00:30:15,564 --> 00:30:18,965 was the overwhelming feeling of sadness and despair 670 00:30:18,967 --> 00:30:22,636 because of the deaths over the years, 671 00:30:22,638 --> 00:30:27,040 and I got that people did die when it was a park. 672 00:30:27,042 --> 00:30:29,776 I got that two deaths specifically, I thought, 673 00:30:29,778 --> 00:30:31,611 happened in the '60s. 674 00:30:31,613 --> 00:30:36,116 Frankly, I was like, "Who would build this here?" 675 00:30:36,118 --> 00:30:38,851 Like, the energy is not good. 676 00:30:38,853 --> 00:30:41,321 It's funny because when I showed up here, I was like, 677 00:30:41,323 --> 00:30:43,457 "Who the hell would build this place in the middle of nowhere?" 678 00:30:43,459 --> 00:30:46,026 When this was an amusement park, it was called Lake Shawnee, 679 00:30:46,028 --> 00:30:50,130 and it was built by a guy named Conley Snidow back in 1926. 680 00:30:50,132 --> 00:30:52,699 I got a photo here of what it looked like 681 00:30:52,701 --> 00:30:56,603 when it was pretty much in its heyday as an amusement park. 682 00:30:56,605 --> 00:30:58,839 Now, you said you got a couple of deaths in the '60s. 683 00:30:58,841 --> 00:31:01,541 Well, get this, back in June of 1961, 684 00:31:01,543 --> 00:31:03,643 a 6-year-old boy named Wayne Harman 685 00:31:03,645 --> 00:31:06,847 drowned in that pond right over here. 686 00:31:06,849 --> 00:31:10,684 Here's an article on it. 687 00:31:10,686 --> 00:31:13,687 Then, in July of 1966, an 11-year-old boy 688 00:31:13,689 --> 00:31:17,157 named John Richard Tolley drowned in the same pond. 689 00:31:17,159 --> 00:31:19,026 Now, the guilt was so much for Snidow 690 00:31:19,028 --> 00:31:20,893 that he ended up closing this place for good 691 00:31:20,895 --> 00:31:22,362 at the end of that summer. 692 00:31:22,364 --> 00:31:25,465 Now, I almost never ask experts if they've had experiences, 693 00:31:25,467 --> 00:31:28,034 but the historian I spoke to used to come here 694 00:31:28,036 --> 00:31:30,437 when she was a kid and swim in the pond 695 00:31:30,439 --> 00:31:34,174 until one time she felt like somebody grabbed her foot 696 00:31:34,176 --> 00:31:36,443 inside the pond and pulled her down. 697 00:31:36,445 --> 00:31:37,777 Now, she almost drowned, 698 00:31:37,779 --> 00:31:39,713 but she's totally convinced to this day 699 00:31:39,715 --> 00:31:41,314 that it was a paranormal event. 700 00:31:41,316 --> 00:31:42,649 Interesting. 701 00:31:42,651 --> 00:31:44,517 I think now is probably a good time to tell Amy 702 00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:47,120 why this property is so important to the family. 703 00:31:47,122 --> 00:31:48,655 It meant the world. 704 00:31:48,657 --> 00:31:50,857 Now, Chris' father, Jewell's husband, 705 00:31:50,859 --> 00:31:53,192 bought the property in 1985. 706 00:31:53,194 --> 00:31:55,995 His dream was to own it and restore it, 707 00:31:55,997 --> 00:31:59,633 but nothing worked right, and so finally, 708 00:31:59,635 --> 00:32:01,868 we just had to kind of give up. 709 00:32:01,870 --> 00:32:07,741 Now, would you mind telling Amy about how your husband passed. 710 00:32:07,743 --> 00:32:10,911 It ended up being colon cancer. 711 00:32:10,913 --> 00:32:13,146 And when he passed, he was still living here. 712 00:32:13,148 --> 00:32:14,781 Right. 713 00:32:14,783 --> 00:32:17,084 Chris, you're trying to preserve your father's dream. 714 00:32:17,086 --> 00:32:18,318 Yes. 715 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,388 I think our intention is to preserve the property 716 00:32:21,390 --> 00:32:22,622 just the way it is. 717 00:32:22,624 --> 00:32:26,093 So I know that you guys have paranormal investigators 718 00:32:26,095 --> 00:32:28,562 and all of this kind of thing. 719 00:32:28,564 --> 00:32:31,564 We do. 720 00:32:31,566 --> 00:32:33,566 Anything else? 721 00:32:33,568 --> 00:32:36,436 I ran into a deceased female, 722 00:32:36,438 --> 00:32:39,873 and I would have put her between 14 and 16 years of age. 723 00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:42,108 She seemed to be from a while ago. 724 00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:44,911 There was a male that she runs into, 725 00:32:44,913 --> 00:32:48,448 and I think that this male killed her. 726 00:32:48,450 --> 00:32:51,184 Now, I think you're describing the murder 727 00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:52,986 I came across in my research. 728 00:32:52,988 --> 00:32:55,521 Now, the killer was a local guy named James Belcher 729 00:32:55,523 --> 00:32:56,823 who was 25 years old. 730 00:32:56,825 --> 00:32:58,625 His grandparents actually owned this property 731 00:32:58,627 --> 00:33:00,126 in the early 1900s. 732 00:33:00,128 --> 00:33:02,095 Belcher was separated from his wife 733 00:33:02,097 --> 00:33:04,130 and had a mistress by the name of Myrtle Taylor. 734 00:33:04,132 --> 00:33:06,199 She was only 19 years old. 735 00:33:06,201 --> 00:33:09,335 And on May 11, 1935, Belcher walked into a restaurant 736 00:33:09,337 --> 00:33:11,071 and sees her with another guy, having dinner. 737 00:33:11,073 --> 00:33:13,106 Well, he freaks out, and he basically kidnaps her 738 00:33:13,108 --> 00:33:14,740 and forces her into the car. 739 00:33:14,742 --> 00:33:17,544 Now, what he does is pulls over right on the road right here. 740 00:33:17,546 --> 00:33:19,613 Belcher grabs a gun and shoots her twice in the head. 741 00:33:19,615 --> 00:33:21,013 Holy... 742 00:33:21,015 --> 00:33:23,383 I actually have a photo of both of them. 743 00:33:28,756 --> 00:33:30,023 Is it possible that's who you saw? 744 00:33:30,025 --> 00:33:32,826 I had a sketch done of the girl I saw. 745 00:33:40,902 --> 00:33:43,669 I mean, the nose, the eyes. 746 00:33:43,671 --> 00:33:45,838 I mean, the photo is not great, but it's very possible 747 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,573 that this is the same girl. 748 00:33:47,575 --> 00:33:49,409 It looks exactly alike. 749 00:33:49,411 --> 00:33:51,044 So, Mom, you think it could be the same girl? 750 00:33:51,046 --> 00:33:52,245 I do. 751 00:33:52,247 --> 00:33:53,346 You can see it, yeah. 752 00:33:53,348 --> 00:33:55,148 The mouth, to me. 753 00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:02,055 Another thing that I saw was very disturbing, 754 00:34:02,057 --> 00:34:04,190 and it took place a long time ago, 755 00:34:04,192 --> 00:34:06,593 and it was near a covered wagon. 756 00:34:06,595 --> 00:34:09,162 Everybody is happy. There's kids. 757 00:34:09,164 --> 00:34:11,464 They built a bonfire, singing and dancing, 758 00:34:11,466 --> 00:34:13,133 having a good old time, 759 00:34:13,135 --> 00:34:16,269 and then I'm hearing screaming and yelling, 760 00:34:16,271 --> 00:34:20,273 and I got that it was, like, really awful murders, 761 00:34:20,275 --> 00:34:23,043 and I think it was safe to assume that Native Americans 762 00:34:23,045 --> 00:34:25,011 had committed this attack 763 00:34:25,013 --> 00:34:27,414 on what looked like a white family. 764 00:34:27,416 --> 00:34:29,883 I knew that these people had been caught off guard. 765 00:34:29,885 --> 00:34:32,419 They totally did not expect this to happen. 766 00:34:32,421 --> 00:34:35,088 There was a thing about the Native Americans 767 00:34:35,090 --> 00:34:38,357 being all pissed off because they felt this was sacred land. 768 00:34:38,359 --> 00:34:40,160 Do you have a time frame? 769 00:34:40,162 --> 00:34:43,430 The 1750s or '60s. 770 00:34:43,432 --> 00:34:44,797 Wow. 771 00:34:44,799 --> 00:34:46,299 I think I know exactly what you're talking about 772 00:34:46,301 --> 00:34:47,767 and what you saw. 773 00:34:47,769 --> 00:34:50,236 This property is the site of the most brutal Indian attack 774 00:34:50,238 --> 00:34:51,571 in the history of this area. 775 00:34:51,573 --> 00:34:54,441 In 1774, a guy name Mitchell Clay 776 00:34:54,443 --> 00:34:56,843 bought over 800 acres and moved onto the property here 777 00:34:56,845 --> 00:34:58,912 with his wife, Phoebe, and 14 kids. 778 00:34:58,914 --> 00:35:00,647 Now, they were the first white settlers 779 00:35:00,649 --> 00:35:03,049 in this part of the country. 780 00:35:03,051 --> 00:35:06,586 I got a picture of the house they lived in, actually. 781 00:35:06,588 --> 00:35:10,790 Now, in 1783, Clay went hunting with his two oldest sons 782 00:35:10,792 --> 00:35:12,125 and left everybody else home. 783 00:35:12,127 --> 00:35:14,728 As soon as he left, a group of Shawnee Indians 784 00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:16,196 stormed the property. 785 00:35:16,198 --> 00:35:19,365 First, they shot and killed Clay's 17-year-old son, Bartley. 786 00:35:19,367 --> 00:35:22,802 Then they slashed their teenage daughter, Tabitha, to death. 787 00:35:22,804 --> 00:35:24,070 Then they scalped both these kids 788 00:35:24,072 --> 00:35:26,606 and then kidnapped their 16-year-old brother, Ezekiel, 789 00:35:26,608 --> 00:35:28,275 and took him to Ohio. 790 00:35:28,277 --> 00:35:30,610 When Clay found out about this, he rounded up a posse, 791 00:35:30,612 --> 00:35:33,146 and he went to Ohio to try and save his son, 792 00:35:33,148 --> 00:35:35,415 but by the time he got there, it was too late. 793 00:35:35,417 --> 00:35:37,884 Ezekiel had been tortured and burned at the stake. 794 00:35:37,886 --> 00:35:40,053 Holy... 795 00:35:40,055 --> 00:35:42,956 They mentioned the attack was retaliation for the land. 796 00:35:42,958 --> 00:35:45,325 The expert I spoke to told me that the Shawnee Indians 797 00:35:45,327 --> 00:35:47,894 didn't actually live here when the attack happened, 798 00:35:47,896 --> 00:35:51,431 but they did have a settlement here way back in the 1400s. 799 00:35:51,433 --> 00:35:55,368 In fact, back in 1989, Chris' family was excavating land here, 800 00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:58,638 and they uncovered human remains that belonged to those Indians. 801 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,808 They found more than 20 bodies, 13 of which were kids. 802 00:36:01,810 --> 00:36:03,376 Now, there's a good reason to believe that 803 00:36:03,378 --> 00:36:05,111 there were more bodies still here. 804 00:36:05,113 --> 00:36:09,950 I actually have a photo of one of the remains they uncovered. 805 00:36:09,952 --> 00:36:11,718 - Wow. - Yeah. 806 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,020 It's hard to believe that something like this happened 807 00:36:14,022 --> 00:36:15,955 on this piece of land. 808 00:36:15,957 --> 00:36:18,558 Maybe, it is an amusement park for the dead. 809 00:36:21,396 --> 00:36:23,529 So now, are these Native Americans still here? 810 00:36:23,531 --> 00:36:26,466 Yes. 811 00:36:26,468 --> 00:36:28,735 They're upset and active. 812 00:36:28,737 --> 00:36:32,572 They didn't want us here doing the investigation. 813 00:36:32,574 --> 00:36:35,475 Possibly, at times, they would make the living here 814 00:36:35,477 --> 00:36:38,745 feel intimidated and nervous. 815 00:36:38,747 --> 00:36:42,882 Unfortunately, one of the things that they were indicating 816 00:36:42,884 --> 00:36:46,753 that they'd resorted to is making the living sick here, 817 00:36:46,755 --> 00:36:48,788 putting emotions onto the living people, 818 00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:51,824 trying to get the living to hurt one another 819 00:36:51,826 --> 00:36:54,027 and causing accidents, 820 00:36:54,029 --> 00:36:56,730 and one of the things that I got was 821 00:36:56,732 --> 00:36:59,565 that a male associated with the property 822 00:36:59,567 --> 00:37:03,169 was having a heart attack or heart issues. 823 00:37:03,171 --> 00:37:04,637 I was hoping we wouldn't have to talk about this, 824 00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:06,439 but, Jewell, can you tell Amy about your son? 825 00:37:06,441 --> 00:37:10,643 He had 26 heart attacks before he passed away 826 00:37:10,645 --> 00:37:12,312 with a massive heart attack. 827 00:37:12,314 --> 00:37:14,447 And he was, like, 51? 828 00:37:14,449 --> 00:37:15,915 And he lived on the property at the time. 829 00:37:15,917 --> 00:37:17,883 - Yes. - Wow. 830 00:37:17,885 --> 00:37:21,288 I actually have a photo of her son that they provided me with. 831 00:37:21,290 --> 00:37:22,689 Wow. 832 00:37:22,691 --> 00:37:24,123 Okay. 833 00:37:24,125 --> 00:37:25,925 I saw him during my walk. 834 00:37:28,297 --> 00:37:30,397 Does it make you happy or kind of sad? 835 00:37:30,399 --> 00:37:33,033 Makes me -- I'm okay with it. 836 00:37:33,035 --> 00:37:37,704 I think he's here protecting and protecting my mother. 837 00:37:37,706 --> 00:37:40,873 All right, so what else? 838 00:37:40,875 --> 00:37:42,942 Well, then, I went over to the house. 839 00:37:42,944 --> 00:37:44,511 And that's where you live, Jewell. 840 00:37:44,513 --> 00:37:45,779 Yes. 841 00:37:45,781 --> 00:37:48,214 I got that the Native Americans are very active there, 842 00:37:48,216 --> 00:37:49,683 and because of that, 843 00:37:49,685 --> 00:37:54,020 I think that there would be experiences sometimes. 844 00:37:54,022 --> 00:37:56,489 I got that they can show themselves and interact 845 00:37:56,491 --> 00:37:58,224 with their surroundings. 846 00:37:58,226 --> 00:38:01,461 I did see something being moved around in the house. 847 00:38:01,463 --> 00:38:02,962 Tell Amy what goes on. 848 00:38:02,964 --> 00:38:05,498 Sometimes, I'll lay something down and go to another room, 849 00:38:05,500 --> 00:38:08,034 and when I come back, it's in a different place. 850 00:38:08,036 --> 00:38:12,705 Sometimes, it's gone, and then a couple days, it shows back up. 851 00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:15,375 Now, you had told me you saw an apparition 852 00:38:15,377 --> 00:38:16,642 of a Native American warrior. 853 00:38:16,644 --> 00:38:17,911 Yes. 854 00:38:17,913 --> 00:38:21,981 He had no clothes, was holding something in his hand. 855 00:38:21,983 --> 00:38:24,317 The big question, I think, is, what do these Indians 856 00:38:24,319 --> 00:38:25,719 want from these guys? 857 00:38:25,721 --> 00:38:27,654 So basically, the Native Americans believe 858 00:38:27,656 --> 00:38:30,123 that this is their land, 859 00:38:30,125 --> 00:38:33,593 and they want it back, and they don't want anybody here. 860 00:38:33,595 --> 00:38:39,298 Their goal is to get them off this land. 861 00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:44,037 I do know that they did possibly affect your son's health, 862 00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,406 so that's troublesome. 863 00:38:46,408 --> 00:38:49,342 I feel that we need to maybe see 864 00:38:49,344 --> 00:38:51,677 if there's some way we can resolve this. 865 00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:54,647 If it's moving her off the property, that's what we'll do. 866 00:38:54,649 --> 00:38:58,117 I don't feel it's me that they want off the property. 867 00:39:17,105 --> 00:39:19,138 So, Chris, I know that one thing you're passionate about 868 00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:22,341 is honoring your dad's memory and keeping his dream alive, 869 00:39:22,343 --> 00:39:25,945 and that means making this park safe for volunteers, guests 870 00:39:25,947 --> 00:39:27,480 and, most of all, your mom, 871 00:39:27,482 --> 00:39:28,615 but to see what that's going to take, 872 00:39:28,617 --> 00:39:32,285 I'm going to turn it over to Amy. 873 00:39:32,287 --> 00:39:34,086 It's really hard for me to say, 874 00:39:34,088 --> 00:39:37,557 "Stop doing events and investigations here," 875 00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:41,527 because I feel like it should be investigated. 876 00:39:41,529 --> 00:39:46,933 What I'm thinking is maybe that you kind of really screen 877 00:39:46,935 --> 00:39:48,901 who's coming here and why 878 00:39:48,903 --> 00:39:51,437 because you really don't want antagonistic people 879 00:39:51,439 --> 00:39:54,541 that are, like, you know, "We're going to drink and party, 880 00:39:54,543 --> 00:39:56,543 and we're going to, like, hunt ghosts." 881 00:39:56,545 --> 00:39:59,412 You know what I mean? 882 00:39:59,414 --> 00:40:02,481 And I think that after every event 883 00:40:02,483 --> 00:40:04,216 and every investigation, 884 00:40:04,218 --> 00:40:07,786 an offering needs to be left because the Native Americans 885 00:40:07,788 --> 00:40:10,657 do not feel respected at this time. 886 00:40:10,659 --> 00:40:12,525 So now, when they make the offerings, 887 00:40:12,527 --> 00:40:13,593 do they have to say anything? 888 00:40:13,595 --> 00:40:15,361 Is there any kind of a ritual? 889 00:40:15,363 --> 00:40:18,364 They'll be guided as to what to bring. 890 00:40:18,366 --> 00:40:23,636 Like, these Native Americans are very hands-on, I guess, 891 00:40:23,638 --> 00:40:26,706 guiding what they want and how they want it. 892 00:40:26,708 --> 00:40:28,374 You're nodding your head yes like you know 893 00:40:28,376 --> 00:40:30,409 what she's talking about. Yes. 894 00:40:30,411 --> 00:40:32,578 Do you know what she's talking about? I do. 895 00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:34,881 Then, you guys are ahead of the game, then. 896 00:40:34,883 --> 00:40:36,149 What about these physical attacks 897 00:40:36,151 --> 00:40:37,717 that are happening to people that come here? 898 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,419 Will that stop with the offerings? 899 00:40:39,421 --> 00:40:41,888 Yeah, the offerings are going to help a lot. 900 00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:43,756 Okay, so what else do they need to do? 901 00:40:43,758 --> 00:40:45,825 As far as the dead here, 902 00:40:45,827 --> 00:40:51,831 I would like to see at least the murdered girl moved on. 903 00:40:51,833 --> 00:40:54,967 You just need to have a medium come and call out 904 00:40:54,969 --> 00:40:57,036 to her and move her on. 905 00:40:57,038 --> 00:40:58,705 My question now is, are you going to take Amy's advice 906 00:40:58,707 --> 00:41:00,406 and do what she's telling you? 907 00:41:00,408 --> 00:41:02,008 - Absolutely. - Yes. 908 00:41:02,010 --> 00:41:07,246 And I know 100% that they will be followed through with. 909 00:41:07,248 --> 00:41:10,383 I think it's a big relief that we know at least 910 00:41:10,385 --> 00:41:12,652 we can keep everybody safe. 911 00:41:12,654 --> 00:41:14,454 Okay, how do you think your father would have felt? 912 00:41:14,456 --> 00:41:15,989 I think he's pleased. 913 00:41:15,991 --> 00:41:18,191 I know he's happy. 914 00:41:18,193 --> 00:41:19,592 I can feel him. 915 00:41:19,594 --> 00:41:21,193 That takes a burden off of him. 916 00:41:21,195 --> 00:41:23,863 It takes a burden off of us. 917 00:41:23,865 --> 00:41:26,699 It just totally relieves me. 918 00:41:26,701 --> 00:41:30,169 I'm just so happy, and I know he's happy. 919 00:41:30,171 --> 00:41:32,939 Chris and Jewell have a lot of work ahead of them, 920 00:41:32,941 --> 00:41:35,808 but if they contact a medium to remove the dead girl, 921 00:41:35,810 --> 00:41:38,278 screen people who want to visit the park 922 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,614 and make consistent offerings to the Native Americans, 923 00:41:41,616 --> 00:41:44,617 Chris will be able to keep his dad's dream alive, 924 00:41:44,619 --> 00:41:49,756 and maybe, one day, Lake Shawnee will be back open for business. 925 00:41:49,806 --> 00:41:54,356 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 72325

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