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I'm getting violence here.

I'm seeing a body on the floor.

I've been pushed down these stairs.

Somebody fell down the stairs.

He will get really aggressive and yell.

This is a child murderer.

That pisses me off.

This is super bad.

This is not a good situation.

My name is Amy Allan.

There's death here.

Don't wanna go down there.

I see dead people.

They hide in the walls and they watch.

I speak to dead people...

She's definitely a serial killer.

...and they speak to me.

She's going to torture them.

But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.

They were all murdered.

I rely on my partner.

I'm Steve Di Schiavi.

I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.

So is this the only time you've been physically attacked?

I know every person, every house has secrets.

There's no question in my mind that he was talking about Satan.

It's my job to reveal them.

Who do you think possessed you?

But Steve and I never speak...

We never communicate during an investigation.

...until the very end.

Well, you're not gonna want to see this.

When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...

Hell, no.

Or time to get out.

Everyone is in jeopardy.

I'm back here in Flint, Michigan,

about an hour west of Detroit.

This time, I got a call from a mom named Carrie.

Now she says whatever's in the house

is real angry and real violent.

She's got four little girls to protect

and has no clue on how to do it.

She's hoping Amy and I can come up with something

before someone gets seriously hurt.

Before Amy arrives, I clear the house

of any leading information --

photographs, religious icons.

Even children's toys can influence her findings,

so it's important I cover or remove them all.

When I'm finished, the location will be ready

for tonight's walk.

The first thing that I got was...

in huge, like, bold letters...

was the word "sad."

First thing I'm getting is a woman upstairs,

and she wants me to come up there

because she's saying that the children are in danger.

She's freaking out. She's freaking out.

So, Carrie, when we spoke on the phone,

you sounded pretty upset.

What's happening?

This place is tearing my family apart,

mentally, physically,

and emotionally.

And then my children...

my children are scared to even be here.

How long have you actually lived in the house?

I have lived here a little over 21/2 years.

Okay.

And when my husband's grandparents passed away,

we got the home.

Did his grandparents pass away in the house?

No, they did not.

They passed away in a nursing home.

Who exactly lives in the house?

You got myself, my husband, Chad.

You got my daughter Ariana, who is 11.

You got my daughter Victoria, who is 10,

my daughter Layla, who is 5.

and then Gabrielle, who is 3.

So, Carrie, do me a favor.

Give me a list of things that are happening.

We're hearing voices, footsteps.

Our health is declining.

We're getting physical attacks.

I'm seeing shadow figures.

Is everybody being affected, or is it just specific people?

It's affecting my husband.

We were happily married.

Recently, he started becoming really depressed.

What makes you so convinced that his changes

have anything to do with the paranormal?

Because before we moved into here, we never fought.

And then his depression started kicking in.

Once second, he's happy,

and the next minute, he's snapping and yelling at people,

trying to accuse me of doing something wrong that I'm not.

Okay.

I think there's something here that is attached to him.

It won't let him go.

Whatever is going on can't be good for the marriage.

No. This could be the end of it

if we don't figure out what is going on.

You know, it's heartbreaking to listen to you talk.

And, you know, one of the reasons I took the case

is 'cause of the kids.

But it sounds like you're the one

that really needs the help here.

Yeah.

I ain't got no one to turn to.

And I need help.

I want this fixed.

I want to be better.

There's a male, and he's over to my right.

He's dead.

He's like, "Lies! They're saying lies!"

His energy is crazy strong.

I'm getting violence here.

"Aah!"

Like, I'm hearing a living man yelling,

screaming, crying, wanting to kill.

Something is influencing males

to be violent.

So you brought me up here.

I'm assuming you've had experiences.

Yeah. I have been seeing a small shadow.

Well, how tall are we talking about?

Probably about my daughter Layla's size.

Could that shadow have been Layla?

No, because when I come up here and check,

either Layla is sleeping

or she's gone at her grandma's for the weekend.

Okay. Have you seen any other shadows besides that one?

Yeah. I've seen one that is a lot taller than that one.

How often you seeing these?

- Daily. - Daily?

- Yeah. - Anything else?

I've been pushed down these stairs.

I actually broke my foot.

You're lucky you didn't get killed. Yeah.

How hard did you get pushed? Show me. Give me a shove.

- Like that. - All right.

So you know how lucky you are, right? Yes.

I mean, you could have got knocked unconscious,

broke your neck, anything. - Yeah.

The dead guy, he knows that he can

take his energy and throw it.

Living people, I'd think, be prone to falls here.

When he puts out his energy like this,

it definitely affects your equilibrium.

People would feel like their feet

are coming out from under them.

Somebody fell down the stairs.

If he is able to...

throw somebody down the stairs,

that's not good.

Okay, what's going on up here?

Well, I have been touched inappropriately in the bathroom.

Mind me asking what happened?

I thought it was Chad.

It felt like somebody just grabbed my rear.

I jumped out the shower pretty quick.

And I went and yelled at Chad, you know,

"Why the hell did you do that?"

And I look in here, and he's in the bedroom, sitting on the bed.

Now did that ever happen again?

Yeah.

It happened one more time when I was laying in bed at night.

Same touch?

Like, the inside of my legs.

- Okay. And... - Chad was sleeping.

Okay. Not that I'm not believing you,

but, I mean, you have a dog right here.

You sure she or he didn't just...

No, 'cause at the time,

she was sleeping down in the living room.

All right. What else is going on?

My declining health.

I have had four partial hysterectomies.

I have had my appendix taken out.

I've had my gall bladder taken out.

Whenever I'm getting anxiety,

it makes me feel like I'm having a heart attack.

Well, living here and telling me what you're going through --

getting pushed down a flight of stairs,

somebody grabbing your... in the shower,

I mean, I'd be a little anxious, too.

This house is killing me.

What are you hoping we can do for you?

I am hoping that my relationship with my husband

goes back to normal like it was.

I'm worried that we're gonna end up going our separate ways.

I want to be the way we were 2 years ago,

happily married.

I think if living people are having the experience,

I could kind of see them

possibly thinking they were being grabbed.

And I got a bad pain in my head, really, really bad.

Ooh, ooh.

Wow. What did he do?

Ooh.

I'm nauseous and dizzy.

The left side of my head is wicked bad.

Mnh.

I think this is associated with the dead male.

He's yelling, "You stupid! Ha, ha, ha!"

Ariana and Victoria, correct?

Yeah.

Okay. Ariana, how old are you?

-11. - You're 11. Victoria?

- I'm 10.

Now let me ask you guys a question.

Do you want to stay in the house?

I don't really feel like staying here most of the time.

Like, my eyes water up and I start crying.

Can you tell me about some of the things that frighten you?

I was getting ready to fall asleep,

and something grabbed my foot.

Okay. When your foot got grabbed,

show me how hard, on my wrist, how you...

It grabbed me just like that. Like, hard.

Really?

What about you, Victoria? What's going on?

I have bad nightmares.

Okay. Do you remember them?

All I remember about them, my mom had to,

and my stepdad, had to wake me up.

Ariana, anything else that you've seen that scared you?

I have seen a really tall shadow man

with, like, a top hat and facial hair.

Okay. Now where did you see that?

It is mainly in the hallways.

Are you sure it wasn't your stepdad?

Yes.

So, guys, I was talking to Mom and Dad.

I'm curious. Have you seen a change in either one of them?

Chad. He's been getting really mean.

When your stepdad Chad gets angry, what happens?

He will get really aggressive and yell above his normal voice.

That's not good.

I- I...

feel like there's...

two living females

that are...hiding,

and I'm just hearing, like, yelling from...

I guess this room.

There is a living male, like, acting out, like, just snapping.

Like a complete change.

So, Chad, I was talking to your wife.

In her opinion, since you guys moved in here,

your personality changed.

- Yeah. I agree with her. - All right.

So when you're feeling this change in personality

coming over you, what happens? How you feeling?

Angry, very angry.

It comes to the point where I feel like

I want to rip walls apart,

tear 'em down, anyone in my way.

Your wife told me about her experiences.

How about you? Any experiences?

I got out of the shower one time.

Me and my wife, when we seen on the mirror, from the fog,

it said "kill" and "die" on it.

So I ran down the hallway and woke the girls up

out of a dead sleep.

I was furious. I told them,

"Are you guys playing games?" - Right.

They almost started crying, "It wasn't us.

It wasn't us. It wasn't us."

You're pretty convinced the kids didn't do it.

I'm 100%.

Okay. Has anything else happened?

When I'm sleeping, I feel like something's choking me

and sitting on my chest.

Wait. Describe the feeling to me.

It feels like you can't breathe or...

Sit up and... You know.

I thought it was trying to kill me, suffocate me.

Couldn't get no air.

Now do you suffer from any asthma or anything like that?

No.

Now how were you reacting when this happened?

Furious.

- Okay. - Furious.

Furious towards everybody and everything.

The dead guy, he can be very physical.

Living people here

will feel their beds jolt,

and it feels like an earthquake.

I think that that guy,

you know, who can direct his energy,

is doing that.

Like, you're in the shower, and the shower curtain,

you know, might pull back.

This is super bad.

He's showing people people sitting, sitting here,

and he's showing me him smacking them upside the head.

You know? Like, just whap.

All of a sudden, they start feeling

like they're getting smacked on the, you know, like...

So from what Carrie told me,

you inherited this house from your grandparents.

Correct.

How far apart did they pass away?

A year.

I see you're looking over here. Is this them?

That is them. Yes, it is.

What did they die from?

Actually, my grandmother had a brain tumor.

And your grandfather?

He died from gangrene, pretty much.

And he just kind of rotted from his feet up.

What kind of guy was he?

He's a good guy, but he didn't like women.

He had a very super bad temper.

Any abuse?

Yeah, I've never seen him ever do physical abuse

but a lot of mental.

Do you think your grandparents are here?

Yeah. I do.

You think he's taking out his aggressions

on your wife and kids?

Wife and my kids, yes.

'Cause they're all women.

The dead guy, he showed me him, like,

grabbing somebody by the neck,

a female, and holding her up against the wall

to the point where her feet were, like,

this much off the floor.

Any idea who this dead guy was in life?

He was white.

Like, max, I would say, 5'10".

I see him with an older woman.

There was abuse.

So he lived here at some point, and then he died.

He didn't die here, you know what I'm saying?

But he's back here.

And he's a big problem here.

This is our third investigation in Flint,

so I've gotten to know a lot of the local experts here.

One historian just called me back,

and he said he found a bizarre string of murders

with a direct connection to Chad and Carrie's property.

Well, Walt, thanks for meeting me.

I really appreciate that.

Now you mentioned on the phone there was a sting of homicides

connected to my clients' property.

Before we get to that, who owned the land when this happened?

Well, Steve, the original landowner

was Thomas Brandt.

He owned over 70,000 acres of land here in Genesee County.

Okay, 70,000 acres.

Was my client's house and property even close

to where this guy was?

Yes. As a matter of fact, Thomas Brandt's estate was here.

Your client's property was in this area here.

Okay. So this was pretty close.

Yes.

So what is the story with the murders?

Thomas' daughter, Charlotte, in 1858, falls in love

with a tenant farmer next door, Davillo Palmer.

Well, there are two problems with this relationship.

One, Charlotte's mother does not approve,

and two, Palmer is already married.

What happens with Charlotte?

Charlotte turns up pregnant, and not long after that,

Davillo Palmer's wife suddenly and mysteriously, disappears.

Pretty convenient.

Some accounts say that there was a child who also went missing

at the same time as the mother.

Were they able to pin this on Davillo?

Surprisingly, no.

Murder was suspected,

but they could never pin any charges on Davillo.

There's a little girl running around here.

She's probably 5 or 6 years old.

She got, like, a little dress on and then an apron thing on.

So I would say, like, that was...

like, 1870s or 1880s.

Something happened to her that wasn't good,

and I feel like whatever happened to her

happened here.

Like, I'm seeing...

So she's outside and it's sunny.

It's getting dark.

She knows the person...

and then she's dead.

All right, so Davillo's wife and possible child

are out of the picture. What happens next?

Charlotte and Davillo wind up getting married,

and 6 months later,

Charlotte's mother dies under mysterious circumstances.

What is the cause of death?

The autopsy shows that she died of arsenic poisoning.

I mean, they already like Davillo with one homicide.

Did they look at him for this one?

He was a person of interest in his mother-in-law's death,

but he disappeared before he could be indicted.

So, Walt, we got at least two murders, maybe three,

pretty close to my client's property,

and nobody served a day of time for any of it.

That's correct.

The little girl, she sees a monster.

It looked like when tar is bubbling,

but make it big, like a human being.

And is that something that the living

are affected by anyway, or is it just her?

That thing is the culprit of everything.

It seems like this monster

went dormant until now.

It has to have the people that are predispositioned

to the violence and the anger.

So those living people who move here

who have that predisposition triggers everything.

So I just got a call back from a sergeant

with the local police department.

He says he found something I definitely need to know about.

Apparently, a pregnant woman was found murdered

less than a mile from Carrie and Chad's house,

and this remains an unsolved case to this day.

Now he's going through all the records for me,

and he's going to tell me exactly what happened.

Well, Sergeant, I appreciate you looking into this for me.

The body that was found close to my client's property,

what can you tell me about it?

Her name was Hope Johnson.

She went missing on January 29, 1988.

Okay. So this is a pretty cold homicide.

Correct.

She's a pretty girl.

All right. So what do we know about this girl?

At the time of her disappearance,

Hope Johnson was 8 months pregnant

and had a 4-year-old son.

She was last seen by her boyfriend January 29, 1988,

and he reported her missing to the police department

on February 2, 1988.

How long before they find her?

Roughly 6 weeks after she was reported missing,

she was found on March 12th.

Her body was found on the side of the road,

roughly 1 mile from the client's house.

Was the boyfriend a suspect at all?

We were not able to develop him as a suspect in this case.

They questioned a lot of people. Yes.

Okay, and nobody ever got arrested?

No. No one was ever arrested.

Now I know it's an open case, and you can't tell me anything

about the details of her murder. Right.

But when I worked these cases in the past,

it's always been somebody they knew

and a lot of rage involved.

I just hope you guys get a break on it

because this is a pretty sad case.

Yes, very sad.

Is this living man being influenced

by this tar thing at all?

Yes.

This is a child murderer.

I think that this person

is completely insane

and probably just thrives off of...

violence and, you know, gets its kicks off of that

and is still capable of doing it.

I think that it could be satisfied

with an adult killing another adult.

I think that it probably prefers children.

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So far, I've got clients

being physically attacked on a property

where a man was suspected of murdering his wife,

mother-in-law, and possibly even his own child.

But I want to see if there's anything else.

Searching through old records, I find an article about

an auto plant right down the street

from Chad and Carrie's property.

Turns out an employee suffered a gruesome death

while working there.

I'm on my way to the old Packard plant in Detroit

to meet an autoworker turned historian.

Now he says he found a couple of other deaths

in the plants surrounding Chad and Carrie's property.

So, Gerry, that article I found in my research,

it sounds like this guy died a pretty brutal death.

What were we able to find out?

That on October 3, 1963,

a worker by the name of Michael McDonough,

who was 26 years old,

died when a boom struck him in the head.

So, Gerry, let me ask you, how far is this plant

from my client's property?

Less than a mile.

Now does he die right there on the spot?

Normally, in a General Motors factory,

because of their insurance,

that if you die on the property,

it's double a payout.

So normally, most of them that you will find,

they're usually pronounced dead in the hospital by a physician.

Okay.

There's no way this guy wasn't dead when this thing hit him.

Probably not.

Now you mentioned on the phone there was a couple other ones.

What'd you find out?

Found one in factory 31, the axle plant, June 19th,

and that was 1979.

And this is a different plant close to my client's property?

Yes. John Holstein, who was a 21-year-old worker.

So a hydraulic line broke and sprayed him down

head to toe with hydraulic fluid

that was flammable at that time,

and a spark from unknown origin

is what turned him into the human torch.

And a witness to that, it just so happens,

was a friend of mine.

And he seen him running for quite some ways

before he finally dropped.

Did he die right away?

He passed away 2 weeks later in the hospital.

Ouch. Now, Gerry, what else were you able to find out?

Another one at the Buick plant in the body shop.

It was on December 23, 1994.

- It was Willy Anderson. - Okay.

And he was a die setter.

He forgot to unhook a block -- 80,000 pounds --

and this die just instantly crushed him

between a guard rail and the die.

Before you became a historian, you worked in this plant.

Yeah.

Were these accidents you just described to me commonplace,

or is it something that was, you know, once in a blue moon?

They were pretty commonplace, and, at that time,

speed was the name of the game.

We were trying to save the Buick plant.

And look where that got you.

Yeah. This is where we're at.

I'm seeing a body on the floor.

I think it's a man.

I'm getting, like, some chaos here.

Like, I hear a woman crying.

I'm hearing somebody yelling for help.

And I'm feeling, like, a lot of people running around.

Chaos.

I saw several disturbing things on my walk,

but the violent dead man had me very concerned.

He did have a mustache.

He had a thick, short neck.

Next, I described the dead man attacking a living person.

He was showing me him, like,

actually holding this person above the stairs,

and he was saying how

he threw someone down there.

I do believe it was a female,

and that this person was smaller than him.

Amy, is this what you saw?

Yes. that's what I saw.

Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,

we're ready to reveal our findings to each other

and our clients for the first time.

So, Amy, I'd like you to meet Carrie and Chad.

They live here,

and they're raising these four beautiful girls.

This is Layla. She's 5.

This is Tori, who is 10.

This is Gabbie, who is 3.

This is Ariana, who is 11.

Now we're here, so obviously,

you guys have a lot of activity going on.

But the big issue here is Chad.

The whole family is convinced he's changed

since he moved in here,

and if you can't help,

they say it's going to rip their family apart.

With that being said, I'm gonna ask Amy

to tell us about her walk.

When I first got here, I was getting a lot of information.

So I go upstairs, and I saw two living females

hiding behind a door.

They were reacting to a living male

who was upset and yelling and screaming.

I felt such anger from the living man.

Like, he had murderous rage coming out.

This living male had gone through a complete change,

and I believe it's due to an influence

that's within this house.

Wow. Carrie, why don't you tell Amy

how you feel Chad's changed?

Before we moved in here, he used to be a happy-go-lucky man.

Now, he's very just depressed and angry.

So, Chad, explain to Amy yourself

how you feel you've changed.

I don't know,

but the range inside of me comes over me heavy, fast.

Sometimes, he just don't realize that he is being very angry.

It hurts me to hurt my family in any direction.

I'm seeing that you were

in some dark situations in the past,

and that's making it easier for what is here to influence you.

My background ain't good.

I saw an older man,

and this older dead male is extremely active.

There's a lot of ways

that living people could experience him.

I thought maybe you would see him because he is very solid.

Now, let's talk about the tall shadow person

that you mentioned to me.

We will see him shoot down the hallway.

My children also see this tall shadow man.

He can also be very physical.

I had extreme neck and head pain the entire time,

and I saw him coming up

and smacking people on the back of the head.

Carrie, do me a favor.

Just tell her about how you were getting grabbed in the shower.

I have been grabbed inappropriately in the shower.

I've been grabbed in my bed.

Now, Chad, you've been held down in bed and choked, right?

- Yeah. - So tell Amy what happened.

I couldn't move. I was being held down.

It was like being suffocated.

Next thing I know, the bed is in the middle of the room.

Could that be this guy?

Yeah. Definitely.

There's nothing I can do about it.

That is what drives me the most crazy.

It angers me, and I've... I feed off of it.

I just want to get ahold of it.

Can this guy do anything else?

He can make you really, really dizzy,

and I just saw people falling,

and I also saw him picking up a woman

and throwing her down the stairs.

I did have a sketch done of what I saw.

When you take a look at this, you'll know you're not crazy.

Wow.

My god.

That is just insane.

Do me a favor and describe to Amy what happened.

I was coming down the stairs,

and I felt just this big blow to my back,

and I went all the way down the steps.

I wish I could shoot the son of a bitch.

Did you get any sense of who you think this guy was

when he was alive?

I got that he did, in fact, live here.

I was putting him in the '70s or the '80s,

maybe, you know, the very start of the '90s.

When he lived here,

he experienced hauntings as well.

I had met a woman outside,

and she said that he was abusive towards her,

and I felt like that was his wife.

The wife told me that he had died somewhere else

but had been sucked back to this house.

I know exactly who she's talking about.

Well, Amy, there's something you should know.

Chad's grandparents lived in this house

from the day it was built in the early '60s...

...until they gave it to Chad a few years ago...

...upon their passing. Do me a favor.

Why don't you describe your grandfather to Amy for me?

My grandpa was very old-school.

He didn't like women.

He didn't like my mom. He didn't like my sister.

He didn't like my grandmother.

He was a very angry man.

And I've been telling him since day one that

that angry man that I see is his grandfather,

and I knew that his grandfather did not like women,

and I felt that he was the one

that did not want me in this home.

Now I got a photo of him when he was younger,

and then I have another one here as much older.

Now you think his grandfather is the guy you saw?

I had a sketch done.

You guys tell me.

My heart's pounding.

My.

That looks like my pops.

Not my dad, my pops.

All right, so let's get this cleared up.

Who is that?

Chad's grandfather's cousin.

His grandfather's cousin. Okay.

Now did he ever spend time in this house?

Yes, he did, off and on.

Interesting.

Now do you remember this guy and what he was like?

What kind of man he was?

He was a violent man. That's what I remember.

And he was a violent man up to his death.

He was abused by his dad, and my grandma brought him in.

Took him in as a child.

It looks just like him.

Okay. Anything else?

So I saw this dead little girl playing in the backyard.

I thought that maybe you might see her

'cause she is very physical.

So this child showed me a location in the backyard

where she had been murdered.

This person who murdered her

is, basically, everything that's going on here.

I got that she knew the person who murdered her,

and the thing about her

is that she sees this murderer as a monster.

What I saw was black skeleton arms

and then, like, a black, like, you know,

the tar when you pour it, and it's bubbly hot?

So the body is like that.

Because of how this little kid was dressed,

I put her in the 1870s, 1880s.

Not a ton to go on, but there was a murder

you described sounds like something

I came across in research.

Now back in 1837, this rich guy named Thomas Brandt

bought 70,000 acres of land in Flint.

Your house sits right in the middle of it.

I got a photo of Brandt.

This is guy who bought the property originally.

He had a daughter named Charlotte, and she was in love

with a tenant farmer named Davillo Palmer

who lived right next door to your house.

Charlotte's mother, Francisca, didn't approve of this guy

and, you know, for good reason.

Guy was married.

At some point, Charlotte winds up

getting pregnant with Palmer's kid.

Days later, Palmer's wife goes missing.

Now records were pretty bad back then,

but the historian I spoke to said that they believe

there was a child as well that also went missing.

- Wow. - Damn.

And this is, literally, right next to where your house sits.

Police flagged him for the murders

but couldn't make a case.

So Palmer never went to trial, nothing.

So Palmer and Charlotte get married,

and they have a kid 4 months later.

Now, it gets better.

In 1859, Charlotte's mother, Francisca, was murdered

by being poisoned with arsenic.

Now Palmer was a suspect,

and before the cops could even talk to him,

he took off and fell off the planet.

Considering Palmer may have killed his wife, his child,

and his mother-in-law,

and this all happened in the 1850s,

you think this is the person who that could be?

If, in fact, he did kill his wife and kid,

and then...yeah.

Now you mentioned this tar thing is everything.

What do you mean by that?

It used to be a human being,

and it's been here since it died.

The thing about it is that it'll lie dormant for years.

Only when it sees somebody who matches its same degree of anger

and potential violence.

That is what triggers it.

And then it can influence them.

So it sounds like this tar thing

is trying to use Chad here to hurt other living people.

Pisses me off so bad. It pisses me off.

So, Carrie, it sounds like you were right.

Something was influencing your husband.

I do feel relieved knowing that.

But it's just still hard to -- to cope with all of this.

Now let me ask you a question about this tar thing, though.

Why is it going after Chad?

I mean, what's the purpose of it?

This...person

was a child murderer.

He's insane, potentially a serial killer.

So obviously, he just wants to continue doing the same

and making violence happen,

hoping for the end result to be murder.

If you kill another adult, great.

If you kill a kid, even better.

Could the things that are here influence him enough

to maybe hurt these kids?

That's what I'm worried about.

I love my babies. I'd die for my babies.

I knew this was what it was.

I knew, deep down, he had bad attachments to him.

And I keep telling him and telling him,

and he doesn't want to believe me.

I just didn't think it was this...this bad.

It makes me want to explode.

Carrie, Chad, I know this has been

a rough night on both of you.

But we know two things --

you're not crazy, and you called us in just in time.

Now to answer the big important question.

Can you stay here with your four daughters,

and if you can, what's it gonna take?

For that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.

It's going to take a little bit of work,

but there is a way for you to stay here safely.

First, you need to find a male medium

who is tough,

and that's because this killer

is a psychopathic, tough male.

He needs someone that can match him

in attitude and stance.

You also need to find a chaos magician,

and that also needs to be a male.

These two males need to come here.

They need to go out into the backyard,

and the male medium will summon the killer to come.

He'll come with the little girl.

The chaos magician is going to trap the killer

and then send him to the other side.

The little girl is gonna remain behind,

and the male medium will take care of moving her on.

Then these two males are gonna come inside the house

and they're going to do the same thing

to take care of this guy.

Pops.

And this will take probably about 24 hours

for this whole process to take place.

So once that's done,

those dead energies, they'll be gone.

But you'll still have your attachments.

A Reiki master needs to come for four sessions.

They will focus on getting your personal living energy

all aligned and clean.

After that, you're going to need to work on

letting go psychologically of your past.

You need to go see a psychotherapist.

It's hard 'cause you are going to relive

the worst experiences you've had in your life,

but you're going to feel so much lighter,

and it's not going to haunt you any more.

You willing to do that?

I'm going to do whatever I got to do.

Ready to do it. Ready to get it done.

I'm tired of living like this.

I'd rather have him back to the way he was

before we moved in here.

Once they take these steps, will things get better here?

You're gonna feel a huge difference,

huge difference. - It's a win-win situation.

You'll get your husband back,

and you get to keep the house your grandparents left you.

Right.

I'm so amazed by all this right now.

It's overwhelming.

I really hope Chad and Carrie

contact a medium and a chaos magician

to remove the dead terrorizing their family.

And with the help of a therapist,

Chad can free himself of negative attachments,

allowing this family to find

the peace it's been looking for.

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