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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,861 --> 00:00:13,328 Something's wrong here. 2 00:00:13,330 --> 00:00:14,797 They want this person gone. 3 00:00:16,100 --> 00:00:17,633 It's turned, literally, into hell. 4 00:00:17,635 --> 00:00:18,901 I don't know what to do. 5 00:00:18,903 --> 00:00:22,371 She causes people to do bad things. 6 00:00:22,373 --> 00:00:25,174 I'm afraid that I'm slowly losing control of everything. 7 00:00:26,477 --> 00:00:29,445 Nightmares, terrible nightmares. 8 00:00:29,447 --> 00:00:32,247 She hunts them. 9 00:00:32,249 --> 00:00:34,683 This seems like a possession. 10 00:00:34,685 --> 00:00:37,619 My name is Amy Allan. 11 00:00:37,621 --> 00:00:40,222 Everything was built on blood. 12 00:00:40,224 --> 00:00:42,891 I see dead people. Very disturbing. 13 00:00:42,893 --> 00:00:45,260 I speak to dead people. 14 00:00:45,262 --> 00:00:47,129 There's victims around him. 15 00:00:47,131 --> 00:00:48,397 Ow. And they speak to me. 16 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:50,733 Her voice sounds like death. 17 00:00:50,735 --> 00:00:53,802 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 18 00:00:53,804 --> 00:00:56,538 The living don't stand a chance here. 19 00:00:56,540 --> 00:00:57,973 I rely on my partner. 20 00:00:57,975 --> 00:00:59,508 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 21 00:00:59,510 --> 00:01:01,710 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 22 00:01:01,712 --> 00:01:02,845 You could have got killed. 23 00:01:02,847 --> 00:01:06,448 I know every person, every house has secrets. 24 00:01:06,450 --> 00:01:07,950 This is coming straight from hell. 25 00:01:07,952 --> 00:01:09,551 It's my job to reveal them. 26 00:01:09,553 --> 00:01:11,520 Your mom was murdered right here in this room. Yes, she was. 27 00:01:11,522 --> 00:01:13,589 But Steve and I never speak... 28 00:01:13,591 --> 00:01:15,624 We never communicate during an investigation. 29 00:01:15,626 --> 00:01:16,925 ...until the very end. 30 00:01:16,927 --> 00:01:18,393 This was just the beginning. 31 00:01:18,395 --> 00:01:20,395 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 32 00:01:20,397 --> 00:01:21,897 Oh, my god. 33 00:01:21,899 --> 00:01:23,732 Or time to get out. 34 00:01:23,734 --> 00:01:25,534 They're very bad. 35 00:01:25,536 --> 00:01:28,103 This house is trying to kill me. 36 00:01:42,219 --> 00:01:43,619 I'm in Sinclairville, New York. 37 00:01:43,621 --> 00:01:45,988 It's about an hour southwest of Buffalo. 38 00:01:45,990 --> 00:01:49,491 Now this place is tiny, 588 people. 39 00:01:49,493 --> 00:01:52,027 I got called in by a woman named Jacqui, who is a mother of two. 40 00:01:52,029 --> 00:01:53,896 Now, she bought the home thinking it would be 41 00:01:53,898 --> 00:01:55,864 a safe place to raise her kids. 42 00:01:55,866 --> 00:01:57,032 Problem is, 43 00:01:57,034 --> 00:01:59,835 activity in the house is terrorizing everyone, 44 00:01:59,837 --> 00:02:02,037 and she says it's destroying her marriage. 45 00:02:04,875 --> 00:02:06,875 Before Amy arrives, I clear the house 46 00:02:06,877 --> 00:02:08,710 of any leading information. 47 00:02:08,712 --> 00:02:10,846 Photographs can influence her findings, 48 00:02:10,848 --> 00:02:14,683 so it's important I cover or remove them all. 49 00:02:14,685 --> 00:02:16,018 When I'm finished, 50 00:02:16,020 --> 00:02:18,020 the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 51 00:02:29,266 --> 00:02:32,401 I just saw something really strange. 52 00:02:32,403 --> 00:02:36,505 This thing I called the drip. It was odd looking. 53 00:02:39,176 --> 00:02:40,909 It's not a person. 54 00:02:40,911 --> 00:02:43,145 The dead were very unnerved by it, 55 00:02:43,147 --> 00:02:45,714 and they all ran away from it. 56 00:02:47,651 --> 00:02:50,586 It came up to me, and I looked, 57 00:02:50,588 --> 00:02:53,555 and I could see only my reflection in its face, 58 00:02:53,557 --> 00:02:56,225 and it makes you focus on the darkest truths 59 00:02:56,227 --> 00:02:58,994 because, basically, you face it and work through it, 60 00:02:58,996 --> 00:03:00,362 or you go crazy. 61 00:03:10,074 --> 00:03:12,941 So, Jacqui, when we talked on the phone, 62 00:03:12,943 --> 00:03:15,544 you sounded pretty upset about things that were happening here. 63 00:03:15,546 --> 00:03:16,712 Yeah. 64 00:03:16,714 --> 00:03:19,348 It has really turned into a real nightmare, 65 00:03:19,350 --> 00:03:20,849 and I don't know what to do. 66 00:03:20,851 --> 00:03:21,984 I've tried everything. 67 00:03:21,986 --> 00:03:23,919 I can't get rid of whatever's here. 68 00:03:23,921 --> 00:03:26,288 So who exactly lives in the house? 69 00:03:26,290 --> 00:03:28,557 That's my husband, Tim, 70 00:03:28,559 --> 00:03:29,958 my son, Bradley, who is 8, 71 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,994 and my daughter, Pheobie, who is 6. 72 00:03:31,996 --> 00:03:34,296 Give me an idea of what you're going through here. 73 00:03:34,298 --> 00:03:36,231 Things from noises, 74 00:03:36,233 --> 00:03:37,933 nightmares, 75 00:03:37,935 --> 00:03:40,168 mood swings, 76 00:03:40,170 --> 00:03:43,705 but the worst of it is it's really changed my husband. 77 00:03:43,707 --> 00:03:46,008 So what are the changes with him? 78 00:03:46,010 --> 00:03:48,844 Goes to work, comes home, that's it. 79 00:03:48,846 --> 00:03:50,178 Quit spending time with me. 80 00:03:50,180 --> 00:03:52,047 Quit spending time with his kids. 81 00:03:52,049 --> 00:03:55,484 It makes me feel like he's just here out of obligation. 82 00:03:55,486 --> 00:03:56,752 How do you know this is paranormal 83 00:03:56,754 --> 00:03:58,020 and not just husband-wife stuff? 84 00:03:58,022 --> 00:04:02,124 You don't go from having one or two fights every 6 months 85 00:04:02,126 --> 00:04:05,327 to a fight every other day. 86 00:04:05,329 --> 00:04:07,362 Now, there was nothing that was life-changing with you guys 87 00:04:07,364 --> 00:04:08,931 after you moved here? 88 00:04:08,933 --> 00:04:11,199 Since we've moved in here that my health started to decline, 89 00:04:11,201 --> 00:04:13,268 and he says, "My head is telling me 90 00:04:13,270 --> 00:04:16,204 that I don't love you any more." 91 00:04:16,206 --> 00:04:17,572 Have you confronted Tim 92 00:04:17,574 --> 00:04:18,807 and said, "What the hell is wrong with you? 93 00:04:18,809 --> 00:04:20,575 Do you really mean what you're saying?" 94 00:04:20,577 --> 00:04:22,044 Yeah, I have. 95 00:04:22,046 --> 00:04:26,014 His only explanation is is it's like a voice in his head 96 00:04:26,016 --> 00:04:30,018 just telling him, "You don't love your wife any more." 97 00:04:30,020 --> 00:04:32,120 How's a wife supposed to take that? 98 00:04:32,122 --> 00:04:34,623 And then I shut all of my emotions off 99 00:04:34,625 --> 00:04:36,491 because if I reacted to that, 100 00:04:36,493 --> 00:04:39,895 I wasn't going to be able to help him. 101 00:04:39,897 --> 00:04:41,730 When you guys are away from the house, how is it? 102 00:04:41,732 --> 00:04:43,332 Good. We went on vacation. 103 00:04:43,334 --> 00:04:45,133 We're all sleeping. We're all happy. 104 00:04:45,135 --> 00:04:49,271 My husband held my hand for the first time in almost a year. 105 00:04:49,273 --> 00:04:51,773 Well, why don't you just get the hell out of here, move? 106 00:04:51,775 --> 00:04:54,376 I don't have any money to go anywhere. 107 00:04:54,378 --> 00:04:56,778 This was supposed to be our dream home, 108 00:04:56,780 --> 00:04:58,714 our home to grow old in. 109 00:04:58,716 --> 00:05:01,450 It's turned, literally, into hell. 110 00:05:05,856 --> 00:05:08,924 Does not feel good up here. No, no, no, no. 111 00:05:10,961 --> 00:05:15,530 This is a bad area. This whole upstairs is no good. 112 00:05:15,532 --> 00:05:17,299 There is a lot in here going in 113 00:05:17,301 --> 00:05:20,869 with the living person in this particular room. 114 00:05:20,871 --> 00:05:23,005 This room is crazy. 115 00:05:23,007 --> 00:05:25,874 The drip, it's coming in, 116 00:05:25,876 --> 00:05:28,510 and what it's doing is making this person 117 00:05:28,512 --> 00:05:30,645 relive horrible things. 118 00:05:30,647 --> 00:05:33,882 The person's not dealing with this well. 119 00:05:33,884 --> 00:05:35,717 Can you explain how it got here? 120 00:05:35,719 --> 00:05:38,286 It's attracted to the living person 121 00:05:38,288 --> 00:05:40,288 that sleeps in this bed. 122 00:05:42,159 --> 00:05:44,526 They're -- Also, they're having problems. 123 00:05:44,528 --> 00:05:46,595 They're like, they don't like their life. 124 00:05:46,597 --> 00:05:47,796 They're unsettled. 125 00:05:47,798 --> 00:05:49,865 Can you tell much about this living person? 126 00:05:49,867 --> 00:05:52,034 I'd assume it was a female. 127 00:05:52,036 --> 00:05:54,636 They're miserable. They're depressed. 128 00:05:54,638 --> 00:05:58,840 They're emotionally unstable, almost like PTSD episodes. 129 00:06:03,947 --> 00:06:05,881 Okay, Jacqui, so what's going on in here? 130 00:06:05,883 --> 00:06:08,884 Some of our items just randomly disappear 131 00:06:08,886 --> 00:06:10,585 and then reappear again. 132 00:06:10,587 --> 00:06:12,788 I set my keys down on the coffee table one day. 133 00:06:12,790 --> 00:06:15,157 I turned to pick them back up, and they weren't there. 134 00:06:15,159 --> 00:06:17,292 Probably about 40 minutes after looking, 135 00:06:17,294 --> 00:06:18,693 they showed back up where I had left them. 136 00:06:18,695 --> 00:06:19,895 Anybody else home? 137 00:06:19,897 --> 00:06:22,164 My kids are outside. My husband was outside. 138 00:06:22,166 --> 00:06:23,432 It freaked me out. 139 00:06:23,434 --> 00:06:24,800 Okay. Anything else? 140 00:06:24,802 --> 00:06:26,368 One night, my husband and I are laying in bed, 141 00:06:26,370 --> 00:06:30,005 and my daughter's stereo turned on all by itself. 142 00:06:30,007 --> 00:06:31,773 - Pheobie didn't do it? - No. She wasn't even here. 143 00:06:34,978 --> 00:06:37,212 I'm seeing a teenage boy. 144 00:06:37,214 --> 00:06:38,680 He's dead. 145 00:06:38,682 --> 00:06:42,451 He's bad, does bad things in here to the living people. 146 00:06:42,453 --> 00:06:46,688 He likes to make things loud, so I wouldn't be surprised 147 00:06:46,690 --> 00:06:50,125 if TVs go up really loud, radios go up really loud. 148 00:06:50,127 --> 00:06:52,594 He likes that because it freaks them out, 149 00:06:52,596 --> 00:06:54,262 you know, gets their attention. 150 00:06:54,264 --> 00:07:00,135 He is mad, goes into as many homes as possible and rages. 151 00:07:00,137 --> 00:07:03,205 He's a little klepto, so things are moving. 152 00:07:03,207 --> 00:07:05,507 The boy is the worst. 153 00:07:05,509 --> 00:07:07,309 This is not good. This is not good. 154 00:07:10,547 --> 00:07:12,914 Well, you've had some experiences downstairs. 155 00:07:12,916 --> 00:07:14,249 You have any up here? 156 00:07:14,251 --> 00:07:17,219 Oh, yeah, especially in my husband and I's bedroom. 157 00:07:17,221 --> 00:07:19,387 Okay. Okay, what's going on? 158 00:07:19,389 --> 00:07:23,125 My son and I have a lot of really bad nightmares, 159 00:07:23,127 --> 00:07:25,360 like one I had a few weeks ago -- 160 00:07:25,362 --> 00:07:26,895 dogs running out of the woods. 161 00:07:26,897 --> 00:07:29,164 I turned to scream, and I couldn't. 162 00:07:29,166 --> 00:07:31,233 I tried, and it was like I had no voice. 163 00:07:31,235 --> 00:07:33,635 - How the hell are you sleeping? - I'm not. 164 00:07:33,637 --> 00:07:35,303 Okay. Anything else? 165 00:07:35,305 --> 00:07:37,706 Yeah. I was over in the laundry room. 166 00:07:37,708 --> 00:07:39,875 I turned to walk out with a laundry basket, 167 00:07:39,877 --> 00:07:42,711 felt like I had been shoved and broke my nose. 168 00:07:42,713 --> 00:07:44,546 Can you demonstrate on me 169 00:07:44,548 --> 00:07:47,415 how hard you might have gotten pushed? 170 00:07:47,417 --> 00:07:48,850 Like that. 171 00:07:48,852 --> 00:07:49,885 You really would have flying. 172 00:07:49,887 --> 00:07:51,353 - Yeah. - What do you think happened? 173 00:07:51,355 --> 00:07:54,089 Couldn't have been anything else than a ghost that done it 174 00:07:54,091 --> 00:07:56,191 or something not natural. 175 00:07:56,193 --> 00:07:57,425 Anything else like that happen? 176 00:07:57,427 --> 00:08:00,595 I wake up quite frequently with bruises on my legs. 177 00:08:00,597 --> 00:08:02,097 What kind of bruises are we talking about? 178 00:08:02,099 --> 00:08:05,734 They average in size, that of child's fingers 179 00:08:05,736 --> 00:08:07,269 to about the size of a doughnut. 180 00:08:07,271 --> 00:08:08,403 And you're sure you're not 181 00:08:08,405 --> 00:08:09,638 bruising yourself with these nightmares? 182 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,774 No. The ones on my arm... Let me see your hand. 183 00:08:12,776 --> 00:08:13,942 Oh. I see what you're saying. 184 00:08:13,944 --> 00:08:15,243 - Grab you like that? - Just like that. 185 00:08:15,245 --> 00:08:17,579 - Well, you couldn't do that. - No. 186 00:08:17,581 --> 00:08:19,314 Anybody else getting attacked like that? 187 00:08:19,316 --> 00:08:20,549 My daughter. 188 00:08:20,551 --> 00:08:22,817 She said it was this big, huge snake in her dream. 189 00:08:22,819 --> 00:08:24,753 She kept rubbing her neck, and when I looked, 190 00:08:24,755 --> 00:08:26,788 she had bite marks on her neck. 191 00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:30,025 I actually have a picture of them. 192 00:08:30,027 --> 00:08:32,060 Oh, jeez. 193 00:08:32,062 --> 00:08:34,362 Is there something she could have banged her neck against 194 00:08:34,364 --> 00:08:35,764 while she was sleeping, having a nightmare? 195 00:08:35,766 --> 00:08:37,132 No. Unh-unh. 196 00:08:37,134 --> 00:08:39,734 All that is in her bedroom is her bed and her dresser. 197 00:08:39,736 --> 00:08:41,870 At the time, we had toys downstairs. 198 00:08:41,872 --> 00:08:43,305 Well, Jacqui, let me ask you a question. 199 00:08:43,307 --> 00:08:45,807 What are you hoping this whole investigation does for you? 200 00:08:45,809 --> 00:08:48,710 I hope it gives me my family back. 201 00:08:48,712 --> 00:08:50,979 I want my husband to be who he used to be, 202 00:08:50,981 --> 00:08:52,647 man I fell in love with. 203 00:08:52,649 --> 00:08:55,517 Nobody wants to feel alone. It's crushing, sometimes. 204 00:08:59,656 --> 00:09:02,724 The teenage boy there at the end of the bed, 205 00:09:02,726 --> 00:09:06,561 he likes to physically affect his surroundings, 206 00:09:06,563 --> 00:09:09,664 like lifting and dropping the bed. 207 00:09:09,666 --> 00:09:13,368 Feet or arms, he's able to do that, too, lift it, drop it. 208 00:09:13,370 --> 00:09:16,638 The person brought that thing, the drip. 209 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,707 Ew. 210 00:09:18,709 --> 00:09:21,042 Yeah, 'cause you find that scary, I guess. 211 00:09:21,044 --> 00:09:24,746 So he hates whoever's here in this space. 212 00:09:24,748 --> 00:09:27,616 They want this person gone. 213 00:09:47,774 --> 00:09:49,574 So, Tim, I was talking to your wife, Jacqui, 214 00:09:49,576 --> 00:09:51,542 and she was saying how your personality 215 00:09:51,544 --> 00:09:53,644 has changed drastically since you moved here. 216 00:09:53,646 --> 00:09:55,113 - Yes. - Do you agree with that? 217 00:09:55,115 --> 00:09:56,814 -100%. - You do? 218 00:09:56,816 --> 00:09:59,951 Before we moved here, I was always happy, always, 219 00:09:59,953 --> 00:10:02,653 you know, wanting to go out and help people and do things 220 00:10:02,655 --> 00:10:05,056 and just spend time with my family. 221 00:10:05,058 --> 00:10:07,825 Since we moved here, everything's changed. 222 00:10:07,827 --> 00:10:09,727 Now, she says you're hearing voices 223 00:10:09,729 --> 00:10:11,429 saying you don't love her any more. 224 00:10:11,431 --> 00:10:14,699 Yes. The pain in her eyes hearing me say, 225 00:10:14,701 --> 00:10:16,067 "I got this voice in my head 226 00:10:16,069 --> 00:10:17,702 telling me that I don't love you," 227 00:10:17,704 --> 00:10:20,138 was the hardest thing I ever went through in my life. 228 00:10:20,140 --> 00:10:21,639 All right. So man to man, 229 00:10:21,641 --> 00:10:23,241 is it [bleep] you're trying to get out of the marriage or what? 230 00:10:23,243 --> 00:10:24,475 No. I love my wife, 231 00:10:24,477 --> 00:10:26,677 and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. 232 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,013 What does this voice sound like? 233 00:10:29,015 --> 00:10:30,615 It's a man's voice. 234 00:10:30,617 --> 00:10:32,550 - How often are you hearing it? - Every day. 235 00:10:32,552 --> 00:10:34,085 When did the voices start? 236 00:10:34,087 --> 00:10:35,253 They started last year. 237 00:10:35,255 --> 00:10:38,222 Did anything change or happen 238 00:10:38,224 --> 00:10:41,125 that you could recall triggering the voices? 239 00:10:41,127 --> 00:10:42,760 My wife had a surgery, 240 00:10:42,762 --> 00:10:44,829 and they thought she had had a heart attack. 241 00:10:44,831 --> 00:10:48,266 After that surgery, I heard the voices. 242 00:10:48,268 --> 00:10:50,134 Anything else going on with you? 243 00:10:50,136 --> 00:10:51,602 Health issues. 244 00:10:51,604 --> 00:10:53,905 Ever since we moved in here, I've been in the emergency room 245 00:10:53,907 --> 00:10:55,706 four to six times 246 00:10:55,708 --> 00:10:57,975 with the feeling of having a heart attack. 247 00:10:57,977 --> 00:10:59,477 What'd they say was the problem? 248 00:10:59,479 --> 00:11:01,813 They can't find anything. They go in. 249 00:11:01,815 --> 00:11:02,847 They hook me up to all the machines, 250 00:11:02,849 --> 00:11:04,582 and they tell me everything looks good. 251 00:11:04,584 --> 00:11:05,783 Describe how you're feeling 252 00:11:05,785 --> 00:11:07,018 before you need to go to the hospital. 253 00:11:07,020 --> 00:11:09,153 It all starts with pressure in my chest, 254 00:11:09,155 --> 00:11:10,755 and then I'll have a tingly sensation 255 00:11:10,757 --> 00:11:12,924 that goes all the way down my left arm. 256 00:11:12,926 --> 00:11:15,226 Now I know this feeling. It's a really scary feeling. 257 00:11:15,228 --> 00:11:16,594 It is. 258 00:11:16,596 --> 00:11:17,895 You really do think you're having a heart attack. 259 00:11:17,897 --> 00:11:20,264 So, I mean, I don't know how paranormal that is. 260 00:11:20,266 --> 00:11:22,433 Right. Because I suffer from the same thing. 261 00:11:22,435 --> 00:11:24,235 But what do you think is in the house? 262 00:11:24,237 --> 00:11:25,970 I mean, what do you think is going on here? 263 00:11:25,972 --> 00:11:28,406 It's something definitely evil. 264 00:11:28,408 --> 00:11:29,574 I don't want to go through my life 265 00:11:29,576 --> 00:11:31,742 without my wife and my kids. 266 00:11:31,744 --> 00:11:34,712 I worry about that every day since everything started, 267 00:11:34,714 --> 00:11:37,949 and I'm afraid that I'm slowly losing control of everything. 268 00:11:41,087 --> 00:11:44,755 I am seeing a woman. 269 00:11:44,757 --> 00:11:50,495 She said that she was burned as a witch in 1692. 270 00:11:50,497 --> 00:11:55,366 The left side of her is burnt, and the right side is normal. 271 00:11:55,368 --> 00:11:58,536 She is solid and very powerful. 272 00:11:58,538 --> 00:12:02,840 She is attached to the land, and she has to hunt. 273 00:12:02,842 --> 00:12:07,078 She makes me feel sad and angry. 274 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,747 And I see the half-burnt chick. 275 00:12:09,749 --> 00:12:12,683 The witch is making the person sick -- 276 00:12:12,685 --> 00:12:15,152 nausea, fevers, 277 00:12:15,154 --> 00:12:18,723 hot in their mouth, in their throat, 278 00:12:18,725 --> 00:12:21,158 in their chest, like a fever, 279 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,427 but it's on the inside of your body. 280 00:12:30,436 --> 00:12:32,069 So, Pheobie, how old are you? 281 00:12:32,071 --> 00:12:34,305 -6. -6. Okay. 282 00:12:34,307 --> 00:12:36,707 Mommy and Daddy told me about the stuff 283 00:12:36,709 --> 00:12:37,975 that they're going through. 284 00:12:37,977 --> 00:12:39,477 What about you? 285 00:12:45,051 --> 00:12:47,351 Okay. So you got kidnapped in your dream? 286 00:12:47,353 --> 00:12:48,519 Mm-hmm. 287 00:12:48,521 --> 00:12:49,921 Scares me a lot. 288 00:12:49,923 --> 00:12:52,590 Yeah. That would scare me, too. 289 00:12:52,592 --> 00:12:55,126 - Do you want to stay here? - No. 290 00:12:55,128 --> 00:12:57,261 I want to go to a different house. 291 00:12:57,263 --> 00:12:59,230 But if we could stop all the nightmares 292 00:12:59,232 --> 00:13:00,398 and all the stuff you're seeing, 293 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,433 would you want to stay in the house? 294 00:13:02,435 --> 00:13:03,768 Okay. 295 00:13:03,770 --> 00:13:06,237 If they don't go away, I'll leave the house. 296 00:13:09,609 --> 00:13:12,109 Nightmares, terrible nightmares. 297 00:13:12,111 --> 00:13:14,412 The witch, she looms. 298 00:13:14,414 --> 00:13:16,847 That's when the person freaks out. 299 00:13:16,849 --> 00:13:18,916 The person's waking up, and here is this old lady 300 00:13:18,918 --> 00:13:22,386 right over the person's face. 301 00:13:22,388 --> 00:13:24,889 So people are seeing this witch when they're awake? 302 00:13:24,891 --> 00:13:26,457 Yes. 303 00:13:26,459 --> 00:13:28,793 They might think they're having nightmares, but they're not. 304 00:13:28,795 --> 00:13:30,094 They're seeing this when they're awake. 305 00:13:36,569 --> 00:13:38,169 So, Bradley, how old are you? 306 00:13:38,171 --> 00:13:39,437 8. 307 00:13:39,439 --> 00:13:40,705 Are you okay being in your room alone? 308 00:13:40,707 --> 00:13:42,473 No. Not at all. 309 00:13:42,475 --> 00:13:45,042 This is the worst room. 310 00:13:45,044 --> 00:13:49,213 Sometimes, I even have my sister sleep on the floor. 311 00:13:49,215 --> 00:13:52,783 So what kind of the things are you experiencing? 312 00:13:52,785 --> 00:13:56,187 I hear voices every day. 313 00:13:56,189 --> 00:13:58,289 Did it sound like kids or adults? 314 00:13:58,291 --> 00:13:59,890 It sounds like all of them. 315 00:13:59,892 --> 00:14:01,993 Where are these voices coming from? 316 00:14:01,995 --> 00:14:03,561 Over there. 317 00:14:03,563 --> 00:14:05,896 - In this little room here? - Yes. 318 00:14:05,898 --> 00:14:07,431 Were they talking to you, or you just heard them? 319 00:14:07,433 --> 00:14:09,300 They were talking to me because I'm the only one 320 00:14:09,302 --> 00:14:11,335 that can hear 'em. 321 00:14:11,337 --> 00:14:13,404 Anything else that you're experiencing? 322 00:14:13,406 --> 00:14:17,575 I see a girl right where the stairs are, 323 00:14:17,577 --> 00:14:19,844 standing there, staring at me. 324 00:14:19,846 --> 00:14:21,512 She's in a dress, 325 00:14:21,514 --> 00:14:24,415 long dress, down to her feet, 326 00:14:24,417 --> 00:14:26,450 about same age as me. 327 00:14:26,452 --> 00:14:28,519 How often do you see this little girl? 328 00:14:28,521 --> 00:14:30,287 Three or four times a week. 329 00:14:30,289 --> 00:14:32,323 Do you ever try to talk to her? 330 00:14:32,325 --> 00:14:35,660 No, because I usually don't talk to people 331 00:14:35,662 --> 00:14:39,196 unless they say something first. 332 00:14:39,198 --> 00:14:40,698 Does she scare you? 333 00:14:40,700 --> 00:14:43,668 Yes. It's the creepiest thing I've seen. 334 00:14:43,670 --> 00:14:45,036 Buddy, let me ask you a question. 335 00:14:45,038 --> 00:14:46,203 Do you want to stay here, or do you want to move away? 336 00:14:46,205 --> 00:14:47,672 I want to move. 337 00:14:47,674 --> 00:14:49,573 I really like this house, 338 00:14:49,575 --> 00:14:52,443 but with all this, I can't take it. 339 00:14:55,281 --> 00:14:59,583 The witch, I think that they've seen her. 340 00:14:59,585 --> 00:15:01,852 I see her young. 341 00:15:01,854 --> 00:15:06,490 She said that she has to hunt living people. 342 00:15:07,794 --> 00:15:11,996 She hunts people that would remind her 343 00:15:11,998 --> 00:15:15,433 of the people that persecuted her -- 344 00:15:15,435 --> 00:15:21,038 liars, gossips, and religious fanatics. 345 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,573 She hunts them 346 00:15:22,575 --> 00:15:25,943 and then makes their life miserable. 347 00:15:25,945 --> 00:15:27,278 How? 348 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,681 I think that she causes people to do bad things. 349 00:15:30,683 --> 00:15:33,951 They get more torture. 350 00:15:33,953 --> 00:15:37,955 It's fun for her to torture those kinds of people. 351 00:15:51,012 --> 00:15:52,878 You know, Sinclairville's a tiny town, 352 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,147 so the second I called the historian types, 353 00:15:55,149 --> 00:15:57,950 they knew all about Jacqui and Tim's property. 354 00:15:57,952 --> 00:15:59,451 I'm meeting a genealogist who says 355 00:15:59,453 --> 00:16:00,986 a family that used to live there 356 00:16:00,988 --> 00:16:04,023 had nothing but heartbreak before and after they moved in. 357 00:16:09,063 --> 00:16:11,230 You mentioned on the phone this Passinger family... 358 00:16:11,232 --> 00:16:12,998 Mm-hmm. ...had a lot of troubles and heartache. 359 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,500 What do you mean? 360 00:16:14,502 --> 00:16:18,937 They owned the property you're investigating from 1956 to 1973, 361 00:16:18,939 --> 00:16:22,007 and their son, Andrew, he was quite the troublemaker. 362 00:16:22,009 --> 00:16:23,609 So what kind of trouble are we talking about? 363 00:16:23,611 --> 00:16:25,911 About 1940, he's 18. 364 00:16:25,913 --> 00:16:27,680 He's with another friend who is 19, 365 00:16:27,682 --> 00:16:29,448 and they're cruising around in a car, 366 00:16:29,450 --> 00:16:30,783 and they come upon a girl, 367 00:16:30,785 --> 00:16:33,085 and he's catcalling her, 368 00:16:33,087 --> 00:16:34,553 trying to get her to get into the car, 369 00:16:34,555 --> 00:16:36,522 and she refuses and keeps walking, 370 00:16:36,524 --> 00:16:38,023 so he gets mad. 371 00:16:38,025 --> 00:16:39,291 They stop the car. 372 00:16:39,293 --> 00:16:41,093 He jumps out and tries to force her into the car. 373 00:16:41,095 --> 00:16:42,328 He's trying to kidnap this girl. 374 00:16:42,330 --> 00:16:44,396 - He's a wild kid. - Yeah. 375 00:16:44,398 --> 00:16:48,100 He gets arrested, spends 6 months in jail. 376 00:16:48,102 --> 00:16:50,436 It made headlines in the local paper. 377 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,440 Okay. So he does 6 months. 378 00:16:54,442 --> 00:16:55,841 Does he straighten out? 379 00:16:55,843 --> 00:16:57,743 Not really. 380 00:16:57,745 --> 00:17:01,680 Actually, a couple years later, 1942, he's out again 381 00:17:01,682 --> 00:17:04,450 riding around with his friend in a car, 382 00:17:04,452 --> 00:17:07,653 and he hit and kills a 70-year-old man 383 00:17:07,655 --> 00:17:09,555 and gets no jail time for that. 384 00:17:09,557 --> 00:17:12,925 So this kid kills a guy, doesn't do any jail time. 385 00:17:12,927 --> 00:17:14,860 - Right. - And what happens next? 386 00:17:14,862 --> 00:17:17,896 November 14th of 1942, he marries a young lady 387 00:17:17,898 --> 00:17:20,199 who's only just turned 15, 388 00:17:20,201 --> 00:17:21,500 Elaine Diers. 389 00:17:21,502 --> 00:17:24,903 15? What happens next with this kid? 390 00:17:24,905 --> 00:17:28,006 They have three children, but tragedy follows him, 391 00:17:28,008 --> 00:17:30,209 and Elaine falls ill, 392 00:17:30,211 --> 00:17:32,077 and she's ill for a number of years, 393 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:36,982 and then she dies in 1956 at the age of 28. 394 00:17:36,984 --> 00:17:38,317 Do we know what she died of? 395 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:40,319 No. Actually, this is her obituary, 396 00:17:40,321 --> 00:17:43,155 and it doesn't state what she died of. 397 00:17:43,157 --> 00:17:44,256 Wow. She was young, huh? 398 00:17:44,258 --> 00:17:45,324 - Yeah. - All right. 399 00:17:45,326 --> 00:17:46,658 So how did he take the death of her? 400 00:17:46,660 --> 00:17:50,162 He's devastated, heartbroken, and by this time, 401 00:17:50,164 --> 00:17:51,630 his parents are living on the property 402 00:17:51,632 --> 00:17:53,031 that you're investigating. 403 00:17:53,033 --> 00:17:56,001 He moves in with all three of the kids. 404 00:17:56,003 --> 00:17:57,636 Right. So how's things work out for him? 405 00:17:57,638 --> 00:17:58,871 Not very well. 406 00:17:58,873 --> 00:18:02,141 Andrew himself, actually a year later on Halloween, 407 00:18:02,143 --> 00:18:08,180 he passes away at the age of 41 from rectal cancer. 408 00:18:08,182 --> 00:18:11,750 That leaves his mother to raise the three children in the house 409 00:18:11,752 --> 00:18:14,987 until they are old enough to get married and move away. 410 00:18:14,989 --> 00:18:17,523 Okay. So his wife dies young. He dies young. 411 00:18:17,525 --> 00:18:18,724 You weren't kidding when you said they had trouble 412 00:18:18,726 --> 00:18:20,058 before and after. Right. 413 00:18:20,060 --> 00:18:21,960 Tragedy all the way around. 414 00:18:28,402 --> 00:18:31,003 There's, like, a dead family. 415 00:18:31,005 --> 00:18:32,638 I'm seeing the mother. 416 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,807 She has three kids, 417 00:18:34,809 --> 00:18:38,010 but they were here a long time ago, 418 00:18:38,012 --> 00:18:40,145 and then somehow they all [bleep] died, 419 00:18:40,147 --> 00:18:43,816 I guess, close to the same time? 420 00:18:43,818 --> 00:18:47,586 I'm getting boom, boom, boom. 421 00:18:47,588 --> 00:18:50,689 It wasn't good. I know that. 422 00:18:50,691 --> 00:18:53,459 The dead mom, she's just nervous. 423 00:18:53,461 --> 00:18:55,260 She doesn't trust people. 424 00:18:55,262 --> 00:18:57,095 Um... 425 00:18:57,097 --> 00:18:59,932 She was married since she was 14. 426 00:18:59,934 --> 00:19:01,633 She died of an illness. 427 00:19:01,635 --> 00:19:04,470 She's young, younger than I thought she'd be. 428 00:19:04,472 --> 00:19:05,637 How old? 429 00:19:05,639 --> 00:19:07,940 I hear 28, but then I hear 29. 430 00:19:07,942 --> 00:19:10,742 Right now, they're hiding in the corner. 431 00:19:12,780 --> 00:19:15,147 Thing is, I don't know who they're hiding from. 432 00:19:17,451 --> 00:19:19,751 So far, I've got a family being torn apart 433 00:19:19,753 --> 00:19:21,620 by bizarre activity on a property 434 00:19:21,622 --> 00:19:24,056 that has seen several tragic deaths. 435 00:19:24,058 --> 00:19:26,158 But I want to know if there's anything else. 436 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,894 Searching for old records, I find the Strong family, 437 00:19:28,896 --> 00:19:31,296 who used to own my client's land. 438 00:19:31,298 --> 00:19:34,066 Turns out they had a direct connection to a brutal murder 439 00:19:34,068 --> 00:19:35,701 that happened less than a mile away 440 00:19:35,703 --> 00:19:37,536 from Tim and Jacqui's property. 441 00:19:39,540 --> 00:19:41,406 You know, I want to find out what happened to this poor guy 442 00:19:41,408 --> 00:19:43,675 who got his skull bashed in near Jacqui's house. 443 00:19:43,677 --> 00:19:45,911 Now I'm on my way to meet a local sheriff 444 00:19:45,913 --> 00:19:48,847 who says this case took a surprising turn. 445 00:19:56,590 --> 00:19:57,589 Sheriff, thanks for meeting with me. 446 00:19:57,591 --> 00:19:59,091 I appreciate that. 447 00:19:59,093 --> 00:20:01,059 During my research, I found out the Strong family 448 00:20:01,061 --> 00:20:04,763 that occupied my client's property back in 1897 449 00:20:04,765 --> 00:20:07,432 somehow has a connection to this homicide I had you look into. 450 00:20:07,434 --> 00:20:08,934 I mean, what were you able to find out? 451 00:20:08,936 --> 00:20:11,670 There was a man by the name of Axel Lawson. 452 00:20:11,672 --> 00:20:14,006 Mr. Lawson lived with the Strong family, 453 00:20:14,008 --> 00:20:17,075 who owned the land that your client lives on today. 454 00:20:17,077 --> 00:20:22,281 He was found murdered on the 27th of May in 1897. 455 00:20:22,283 --> 00:20:25,484 He'd been beaten badly with a blunt instrument. 456 00:20:25,486 --> 00:20:27,452 So what do we know about the victim? 457 00:20:27,454 --> 00:20:29,521 He was 33 years old. 458 00:20:29,523 --> 00:20:32,691 He was a local produce peddler who traveled 459 00:20:32,693 --> 00:20:37,729 between Sinclairville area and Jamestown selling his goods. 460 00:20:37,731 --> 00:20:39,064 What's the crime scene like? 461 00:20:39,066 --> 00:20:41,900 This is a sketch that was in one of the local newspapers, 462 00:20:41,902 --> 00:20:44,570 of the crime scene. 463 00:20:44,572 --> 00:20:47,039 It looked as though a struggle had taken place. 464 00:20:47,041 --> 00:20:48,941 He had been beaten severely. 465 00:20:48,943 --> 00:20:52,110 They documented 17 pieces of his skull 466 00:20:52,112 --> 00:20:54,313 that were collected from the crime scene. 467 00:20:54,315 --> 00:20:56,315 Okay. A pretty brutal homicide, then. 468 00:20:56,317 --> 00:20:57,849 It was. 469 00:20:57,851 --> 00:21:00,752 This is Axel Lawson's death certificate. 470 00:21:02,790 --> 00:21:05,324 All right. So now we got a dead body. Any suspects? 471 00:21:05,326 --> 00:21:07,759 Yes. There were two solid suspects. 472 00:21:07,761 --> 00:21:10,062 One was a guy by the name of Fred Page. 473 00:21:10,064 --> 00:21:11,630 - He was 50 years old. - Okay. 474 00:21:11,632 --> 00:21:13,231 The other guy was his son-in-law, 475 00:21:13,233 --> 00:21:15,801 Fred Romer, was 35. 476 00:21:15,803 --> 00:21:18,537 Why did they like these guys for the homicide? 477 00:21:18,539 --> 00:21:21,306 After the murder, Axel Lawson's watch 478 00:21:21,308 --> 00:21:25,444 was pawned by the two Freds at a pawnshop in Fredonia. 479 00:21:25,446 --> 00:21:27,012 All right. So I got to assume, with this much evidence, 480 00:21:27,014 --> 00:21:29,247 they make an arrest. They did make an arrest. 481 00:21:29,249 --> 00:21:32,784 Is there a conviction? 482 00:21:32,786 --> 00:21:34,152 There's not. 483 00:21:34,154 --> 00:21:36,588 They were held for a short period of time and released. 484 00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:37,956 You're kidding me. 485 00:21:37,958 --> 00:21:40,492 Apparently they felt there was not evidence to convict. 486 00:21:40,494 --> 00:21:42,628 And they convicted for a lot less back then. 487 00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:43,962 Oh, yeah. 488 00:21:43,964 --> 00:21:45,130 I wonder if these guys were well-liked in the community 489 00:21:45,132 --> 00:21:46,198 and nobody wanted to convict them, 490 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,066 or if they had some ties. 491 00:21:48,068 --> 00:21:50,902 That is unknown. It's an open, unsolved homicide. 492 00:21:55,442 --> 00:21:58,410 I feel like my stomach just dropped. 493 00:22:00,247 --> 00:22:03,715 I'm seeing dead bodies, 494 00:22:03,717 --> 00:22:05,117 three of them. 495 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,485 One is young. 496 00:22:06,487 --> 00:22:11,890 He got his head bashed in with, like, a rock. 497 00:22:11,892 --> 00:22:13,659 And then there's another person, 498 00:22:13,661 --> 00:22:15,861 but I don't know anything about them, 499 00:22:15,863 --> 00:22:19,164 and then there's the old man. 500 00:22:19,166 --> 00:22:21,433 I think he was a farmer. 501 00:22:21,435 --> 00:22:22,901 Do you know when this was? 502 00:22:22,903 --> 00:22:27,439 It could be anywhere from 1910 to 1950s. 503 00:22:27,441 --> 00:22:30,042 And it was outside. It was outside. 504 00:22:31,979 --> 00:22:35,981 Just seems like all hell broke loose, 505 00:22:35,983 --> 00:22:40,452 and I'm just seeing the kid's head get bashed in. 506 00:22:40,454 --> 00:22:43,221 The farmer, he's angry, 507 00:22:43,223 --> 00:22:46,291 very angry because of what happened. 508 00:22:46,293 --> 00:22:49,661 He'll go into fits of rage. 509 00:22:49,663 --> 00:22:54,633 He just keeps saying, "It was a very...bad...day." 510 00:23:00,708 --> 00:23:02,074 If you need us to investigate 511 00:23:02,076 --> 00:23:03,809 unexplained activity in your home, 512 00:23:03,811 --> 00:23:06,812 go to the "Dead Files" page at travelchannel.com. 513 00:23:06,814 --> 00:23:08,647 Click on "Help me, Dead Files!" to submit your story, 514 00:23:08,649 --> 00:23:09,915 and we'll help if we can. 515 00:23:17,934 --> 00:23:20,701 So I just got a call from a local anthropologist, 516 00:23:20,703 --> 00:23:23,237 and she says there was a Native American grave site 517 00:23:23,239 --> 00:23:26,340 just a couple of thousand feet from Jacqui and Tim's house. 518 00:23:26,342 --> 00:23:28,275 Now, I don't think they know anything about it 519 00:23:28,277 --> 00:23:30,377 and that's probably because, according to her, 520 00:23:30,379 --> 00:23:32,713 those bodies got dug up and moved. 521 00:23:41,591 --> 00:23:43,090 Michelle, it's good to see you again. 522 00:23:43,092 --> 00:23:46,093 So this Native American burial site near my client's property, 523 00:23:46,095 --> 00:23:47,561 what can you tell me about it? 524 00:23:47,563 --> 00:23:52,800 It as a circular mound site that encompassed about 3 acres. 525 00:23:52,802 --> 00:23:54,502 That's pretty big, right, for a burial site? 526 00:23:54,504 --> 00:23:56,303 - Yes. - Who was buried there? 527 00:23:56,305 --> 00:23:58,772 Well, some anthropologists believe it may have been 528 00:23:58,774 --> 00:24:03,077 the Erie Indians that were here in the 1600s. 529 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:06,013 Okay. You mentioned on the phone that these bodies got dug up. 530 00:24:06,015 --> 00:24:07,381 What can you tell me about it? 531 00:24:07,383 --> 00:24:09,350 People recognized the fact that it was a mound, 532 00:24:09,352 --> 00:24:11,519 that it wasn't a natural landscape, 533 00:24:11,521 --> 00:24:13,988 and so early in the 1800s, 534 00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:16,457 folks who were settling here were curious... Okay. 535 00:24:16,459 --> 00:24:19,426 ...and excavated parts of the site, 536 00:24:19,428 --> 00:24:21,395 and in 1825, 537 00:24:21,397 --> 00:24:24,131 50 human remains were removed from the mound, 538 00:24:24,133 --> 00:24:25,566 and about 30 years later, 539 00:24:25,568 --> 00:24:27,935 another 25 human skeletons were removed. 540 00:24:27,937 --> 00:24:29,837 What did they do with the bones? 541 00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:32,573 Some were sent to museums across New York state, 542 00:24:32,575 --> 00:24:34,542 and some were displayed locally, 543 00:24:34,544 --> 00:24:39,547 and I have a photograph of one of the local displays 544 00:24:39,549 --> 00:24:42,516 of some of those human remains that were found. 545 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:46,453 The Native Americans think this is disrespectful? 546 00:24:46,455 --> 00:24:47,655 Absolutely. 547 00:24:54,030 --> 00:24:58,866 There's something wrong with the land here. 548 00:24:58,868 --> 00:25:00,301 Everything's wrong. 549 00:25:01,837 --> 00:25:03,637 There's too much death, 550 00:25:03,639 --> 00:25:07,474 and there's too many weird deaths. 551 00:25:10,046 --> 00:25:13,581 I wish I could figure out what's going on here. 552 00:25:13,583 --> 00:25:18,185 There's something here keeping the dead people here trapped. 553 00:25:18,187 --> 00:25:22,189 Why aren't the dead that are dying leave, 554 00:25:22,191 --> 00:25:26,527 and why... Like, I'm just confused. 555 00:25:26,529 --> 00:25:29,230 We think this could be the Erie tribe. 556 00:25:29,232 --> 00:25:30,664 What do we know about them? 557 00:25:30,666 --> 00:25:35,169 Well, the Erie occupied this entire area through the 1600s. 558 00:25:35,171 --> 00:25:36,370 Whatever happened to them? 559 00:25:36,372 --> 00:25:41,041 They were engaged in a very long-running war 560 00:25:41,043 --> 00:25:42,476 with the Iroquois. 561 00:25:42,478 --> 00:25:45,546 The Erie were really soundly defeated. 562 00:25:45,548 --> 00:25:46,981 How violent did it get? 563 00:25:46,983 --> 00:25:51,719 The Iroquois consistently attacked Erie villages. 564 00:25:51,721 --> 00:25:52,886 They burned them. 565 00:25:52,888 --> 00:25:55,356 They slaughtered men, women, and children. 566 00:25:55,358 --> 00:25:58,926 So by 1680, the Eries had been forced 567 00:25:58,928 --> 00:26:01,262 from western New York completely. 568 00:26:01,264 --> 00:26:05,633 The Iroquois pretty much did wholesale slaughter. 569 00:26:08,971 --> 00:26:10,604 So can you talk more about 570 00:26:10,606 --> 00:26:12,373 what's going on with the land here? 571 00:26:12,375 --> 00:26:17,378 It's a possibility that it has to do with the witch. 572 00:26:17,380 --> 00:26:21,115 I'm thinking that she has a lot to do 573 00:26:21,117 --> 00:26:24,518 with the land being tainted. Hmm, okay. 574 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,453 She's doing something 575 00:26:26,455 --> 00:26:30,858 to prevent people from moving on 576 00:26:30,860 --> 00:26:35,596 or is causing bad things to happen in the first place. 577 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,533 How would people that spend a lot of time on this land 578 00:26:39,535 --> 00:26:40,968 be affected by that? 579 00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:44,772 If they are prone to depression 580 00:26:44,774 --> 00:26:47,474 or violent outbursts, 581 00:26:47,476 --> 00:26:49,810 it could be exacerbated. 582 00:26:49,812 --> 00:26:53,914 People might harm others or themselves. 583 00:26:55,718 --> 00:26:58,819 The people that she hunts, 584 00:26:58,821 --> 00:27:02,423 they have a very bad experience with her directly. 585 00:27:09,632 --> 00:27:13,033 I saw several disturbing things on my walk, 586 00:27:13,035 --> 00:27:15,202 but two concerned me the most. 587 00:27:15,204 --> 00:27:19,106 First, the dead teenage boy who torments the living. 588 00:27:19,108 --> 00:27:22,076 He had, like, thin, 589 00:27:22,078 --> 00:27:24,078 longer hair, 590 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,914 pretty large nose, 591 00:27:26,916 --> 00:27:28,415 and one of the things he does 592 00:27:28,417 --> 00:27:30,484 is he'll lift up the bed and drop it. 593 00:27:30,486 --> 00:27:34,088 Next, I described the witch who hunts the living. 594 00:27:34,090 --> 00:27:37,358 Half of her was a skeleton that was burnt and charred, 595 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,159 and then the other half was normal. 596 00:27:44,834 --> 00:27:47,634 Amy, is this what you saw? 597 00:27:47,636 --> 00:27:49,036 Yes. That's what I saw. 598 00:28:07,597 --> 00:28:10,898 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 599 00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:13,234 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 600 00:28:13,236 --> 00:28:15,770 and our clients for the first time. 601 00:28:15,772 --> 00:28:18,172 So, Amy, this is Tim and Jacqui. 602 00:28:18,174 --> 00:28:20,808 They live here with their two adorable kids. 603 00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:22,577 This is Bradley, who is 8, 604 00:28:22,579 --> 00:28:25,379 and this is Pheobie, who is 6. 605 00:28:25,381 --> 00:28:27,915 Now the whole family is being terrorized, 606 00:28:27,917 --> 00:28:29,250 but the main reason we're here 607 00:28:29,252 --> 00:28:31,519 is these guys are convinced something in this house 608 00:28:31,521 --> 00:28:33,788 is tearing their marriage apart and trying to break them up, 609 00:28:33,790 --> 00:28:35,123 and if we can't help them, 610 00:28:35,125 --> 00:28:36,791 they don't think their marriage is gonna make it. 611 00:28:36,793 --> 00:28:39,327 So now that Amy knows a little bit about you guys, 612 00:28:39,329 --> 00:28:40,928 I'll ask her to describe her walk. 613 00:28:45,101 --> 00:28:47,969 I went upstairs and I went into the laundry room. 614 00:28:47,971 --> 00:28:52,006 I saw a teeny tiny woman and her three children. 615 00:28:52,008 --> 00:28:56,210 I got that she was married since she was about 14. 616 00:28:56,212 --> 00:29:00,348 She died young, I'd say between 28 and 29 years of age. 617 00:29:00,350 --> 00:29:02,950 Extremely protective of her children 618 00:29:02,952 --> 00:29:06,354 who are very rambunctious. 619 00:29:06,356 --> 00:29:09,157 These kids like to hang out in that little, like, 620 00:29:09,159 --> 00:29:12,527 crawl space attic thing upstairs. 621 00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:15,530 You should hear laughing, running around, 622 00:29:15,532 --> 00:29:18,266 things bouncing off the walls. 623 00:29:18,268 --> 00:29:20,635 Bradley's had experiences with that crawl space, right? 624 00:29:20,637 --> 00:29:21,669 Several different things. 625 00:29:21,671 --> 00:29:23,638 He's seen a little girl up there. 626 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,209 He describes her as... what'd he say, 11? 627 00:29:28,211 --> 00:29:29,844 A bunch of stuff you're talking about reminds me 628 00:29:29,846 --> 00:29:32,280 of some past owners that actually lived in this house, 629 00:29:32,282 --> 00:29:33,781 especially the part about the woman. 630 00:29:33,783 --> 00:29:35,950 Now, a family named the Passingers 631 00:29:35,952 --> 00:29:38,286 lived in this house from 1956 to '73. 632 00:29:38,288 --> 00:29:40,788 Now the expert I talked to said that this family had bad luck 633 00:29:40,790 --> 00:29:42,190 before they moved here 634 00:29:42,192 --> 00:29:43,824 and bad luck after they got into the house. 635 00:29:43,826 --> 00:29:45,393 They had a teenage son named Andrew 636 00:29:45,395 --> 00:29:47,528 who was a mess and got into a lot of trouble. 637 00:29:47,530 --> 00:29:51,899 And later on, he married a girl named Elaine Diers in 1942. 638 00:29:51,901 --> 00:29:55,303 And now I say "girl" because she was 15 years old. 639 00:29:55,305 --> 00:29:58,940 So now Andrew and Elaine wind up having three kids. 640 00:29:58,942 --> 00:30:01,642 A few years later, Elaine got very sick. 641 00:30:01,644 --> 00:30:04,212 She died a few years later in 1956, 642 00:30:04,214 --> 00:30:05,613 and, get this, just like you said, 643 00:30:05,615 --> 00:30:07,448 she was 28 years old when she died. 644 00:30:07,450 --> 00:30:08,983 Interesting. 645 00:30:10,186 --> 00:30:12,186 All right. So what else did you see? 646 00:30:12,188 --> 00:30:16,157 The next person that I ran into, he was a teenage boy, 647 00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:18,192 and he is a big problem here. 648 00:30:18,194 --> 00:30:20,828 He definitely somehow connected to the land. 649 00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:23,598 He's pretty powerful and very present, 650 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,234 very upset and angry. 651 00:30:26,236 --> 00:30:29,470 I think there's a few ways that the living would experience him. 652 00:30:29,472 --> 00:30:32,473 He is very noisy, so one of the things I thought 653 00:30:32,475 --> 00:30:34,275 he might be capable of doing 654 00:30:34,277 --> 00:30:37,845 is turning on the televisions, turning on the radios 655 00:30:37,847 --> 00:30:42,149 and getting them to go up as loud as he possibly can. 656 00:30:42,151 --> 00:30:45,419 Also, he's a klepto. 657 00:30:45,421 --> 00:30:46,821 Things might go missing, 658 00:30:46,823 --> 00:30:48,990 and there is a lot of stress and anger with him. 659 00:30:48,992 --> 00:30:51,325 At this point, he wants you guys gone. 660 00:30:51,327 --> 00:30:53,494 He does not want you in this house. 661 00:30:53,496 --> 00:30:55,196 I think you might have seen the look on their face 662 00:30:55,198 --> 00:30:57,665 when you mentioned stuff going missing. 663 00:30:57,667 --> 00:30:59,967 I'd be sitting there. I'd set my keys down, 664 00:30:59,969 --> 00:31:02,203 and I'd be doing my makeup or my hair or something, 665 00:31:02,205 --> 00:31:04,438 turn around to grab 'em to put them back in my purse, 666 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,040 and they'd be gone. 667 00:31:06,042 --> 00:31:09,410 I'd look everywhere for 'em, couldn't find 'em. 668 00:31:09,412 --> 00:31:12,480 15, 20 minutes later, they're right back in the same spot. 669 00:31:12,482 --> 00:31:15,316 Amy, you also mentioned this kid could turn on radios. 670 00:31:15,318 --> 00:31:17,852 Now, Tim, you guys had a stereo that just went on, right? 671 00:31:17,854 --> 00:31:19,520 - Yes. - Tell Amy about it. 672 00:31:19,522 --> 00:31:22,056 All of a sudden, my daughter's radio, which was unplugged, 673 00:31:22,058 --> 00:31:24,458 turned on, and it was as loud as it could go. 674 00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:26,794 - And where were the kids? - They weren't home. 675 00:31:26,796 --> 00:31:31,065 He's starting to become more physical. 676 00:31:31,067 --> 00:31:33,367 I saw him standing at the end of the bed 677 00:31:33,369 --> 00:31:36,837 and actually lifting the bed and making it shake. 678 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:41,075 I had a sketch done of what I saw. 679 00:31:46,916 --> 00:31:48,215 Kind of creepy. 680 00:31:53,656 --> 00:31:56,123 That's exactly what it looked like. 681 00:31:58,227 --> 00:32:01,495 - That -- that was my nightmare... - months ago. 682 00:32:09,706 --> 00:32:14,408 He was holding me down in the bed from behind. 683 00:32:14,410 --> 00:32:18,079 Now, this stuff is in your dream. 684 00:32:18,081 --> 00:32:20,147 It might not be a dream. 685 00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:23,818 So he could be actually holding her down and doing that 686 00:32:23,820 --> 00:32:26,687 and having physical contact with her. 687 00:32:26,689 --> 00:32:29,824 I wake up with bruises on my legs a lot. 688 00:32:29,826 --> 00:32:32,460 You guys told me Pheobie has woken up with marks, too. 689 00:32:32,462 --> 00:32:35,363 Pheobie, she had a dream, and she was talking 690 00:32:35,365 --> 00:32:39,066 about this snake in her dream that bit her. 691 00:32:39,068 --> 00:32:42,036 This is Pheobie's neck, and it looks like bite mark. 692 00:32:42,038 --> 00:32:43,304 A bite. 693 00:32:44,574 --> 00:32:46,407 Can't stop shaking. 694 00:32:47,844 --> 00:32:50,845 When I was in the bedroom, I got that 695 00:32:50,847 --> 00:32:54,815 someone was experiencing a lot of unhappiness. 696 00:32:54,817 --> 00:32:57,485 The person is feeling extremely unsettled, 697 00:32:57,487 --> 00:32:59,787 honestly hating their life. 698 00:32:59,789 --> 00:33:03,758 So these negative emotions have attracted this entity 699 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,927 that I was referring to as "the drip." 700 00:33:06,929 --> 00:33:10,631 It's never been human, and when I first encountered it, 701 00:33:10,633 --> 00:33:14,702 it came down, and it's all black and shiny, 702 00:33:14,704 --> 00:33:17,004 and what you see is your face. 703 00:33:17,006 --> 00:33:20,341 This thing forces people to look at themselves 704 00:33:20,343 --> 00:33:24,011 and look at their darkest truths about their lives. 705 00:33:24,013 --> 00:33:27,848 It makes you kind of focus on things that you've done 706 00:33:27,850 --> 00:33:30,451 that you're not particularly proud of. 707 00:33:30,453 --> 00:33:34,088 If you don't, you can kind of go crazy. 708 00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:38,058 It makes the person who is going through this 709 00:33:38,060 --> 00:33:42,029 kind of emotionally unstable, constantly ill, 710 00:33:42,031 --> 00:33:45,433 and it can trigger things like PTSD events. 711 00:33:45,435 --> 00:33:49,003 So it can kind of make you have a little bit of a breakdown. 712 00:33:49,005 --> 00:33:51,639 The dead here are terrified of this thing. 713 00:33:51,641 --> 00:33:54,508 One of you or both of you have attracted it, 714 00:33:54,510 --> 00:33:56,777 and they are pissed off, 715 00:33:56,779 --> 00:33:58,145 and they don't want to deal with it, 716 00:33:58,147 --> 00:34:00,915 and so they need you out of here. 717 00:34:00,917 --> 00:34:02,983 Now, listen, I told you these two are having problems 718 00:34:02,985 --> 00:34:04,051 with their marriage. 719 00:34:04,053 --> 00:34:05,419 You know what? 720 00:34:05,421 --> 00:34:06,620 Tim, tell her about these voices you're hearing. 721 00:34:06,622 --> 00:34:09,557 After my wife had her heart attack... 722 00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:10,724 What? 723 00:34:10,726 --> 00:34:12,460 After she came home, every once in a while, 724 00:34:12,462 --> 00:34:15,629 I'd hear a voice in my head say, "You don't love your wife." 725 00:34:15,631 --> 00:34:18,265 It was just repeated, repeated, repeated, 726 00:34:18,267 --> 00:34:20,768 "You don't love your wife. You need to leave," every night. 727 00:34:20,770 --> 00:34:23,637 We were like best friends. 728 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,072 We don't have so much as a date night. 729 00:34:25,074 --> 00:34:28,275 We don't talk that much. 730 00:34:28,277 --> 00:34:30,511 We fight like it's World War III. 731 00:34:30,513 --> 00:34:33,247 She thinks you want out of here, you want to book. 732 00:34:33,249 --> 00:34:35,249 I mean, tell her what you really feel. 733 00:34:35,251 --> 00:34:38,118 I love you. I want to be here for the rest of my life. 734 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,820 I don't want to go anywhere. 735 00:34:39,822 --> 00:34:41,355 I made a commitment to be in this family. 736 00:34:41,357 --> 00:34:43,457 I love you, and that's never gonna change. 737 00:34:56,739 --> 00:34:58,038 And you guys probably haven't kissed and hugged 738 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,574 like that in how long? - Too long. 739 00:35:00,576 --> 00:35:03,310 I haven't even really full-fledged cried 740 00:35:03,312 --> 00:35:05,012 since my heart attack. 741 00:35:05,014 --> 00:35:07,147 How long ago was this event? 742 00:35:07,149 --> 00:35:09,383 - A year ago. - So let me ask you a question. 743 00:35:09,385 --> 00:35:10,484 You mentioned a drip 744 00:35:10,486 --> 00:35:11,752 that is being attracted by somebody here. 745 00:35:11,754 --> 00:35:14,154 Is it one of them, or is it both of them? 746 00:35:14,156 --> 00:35:19,927 Taking into consideration your health and the mind frame, 747 00:35:19,929 --> 00:35:23,397 it could have been initially attracted to you. 748 00:35:26,569 --> 00:35:27,935 What else we got going on? 749 00:35:27,937 --> 00:35:31,038 This land is inherently contaminated. 750 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,440 Bad things tend to happen here. 751 00:35:33,442 --> 00:35:37,311 If somebody is living here who is prone to violent outbursts, 752 00:35:37,313 --> 00:35:39,580 depression, those types of experiences 753 00:35:39,582 --> 00:35:41,549 would become far more frequent here. 754 00:35:41,551 --> 00:35:43,183 Now, this could be a shot in the dark, 755 00:35:43,185 --> 00:35:45,853 but there is a reason that this land could be bad. 756 00:35:45,855 --> 00:35:48,989 Settlers, when they first came here in the 1800s, 757 00:35:48,991 --> 00:35:51,592 they discovered a massive Indian burial mound 758 00:35:51,594 --> 00:35:53,627 literally a couple thousand feet from the house. 759 00:35:53,629 --> 00:35:54,795 Oh. 760 00:35:54,797 --> 00:35:57,097 But in 1825, people started digging it up. 761 00:35:57,099 --> 00:35:59,700 Now what I thought was strange is they grabbed these bones 762 00:35:59,702 --> 00:36:03,370 and they put them on display through the museums in the area. 763 00:36:03,372 --> 00:36:06,540 I actually got a photo on how they did it. 764 00:36:06,542 --> 00:36:08,943 Do you think any of this could be why the land is bad here? 765 00:36:08,945 --> 00:36:12,746 Ah, this one's a little different. 766 00:36:12,748 --> 00:36:16,250 The reason why the land is a huge, huge problem 767 00:36:16,252 --> 00:36:19,553 is because this very active dead woman 768 00:36:19,555 --> 00:36:22,690 placed a curse on the land. 769 00:36:22,692 --> 00:36:26,927 I got that this dead woman was around during the late 1600s. 770 00:36:26,929 --> 00:36:29,930 During that time, people, uh, 771 00:36:29,932 --> 00:36:32,933 decided that this woman was a witch, 772 00:36:32,935 --> 00:36:36,437 and so they took her and they burned her. 773 00:36:36,439 --> 00:36:39,907 She's extremely solid and powerful. 774 00:36:39,909 --> 00:36:42,610 She says now that she has to hunt, 775 00:36:42,612 --> 00:36:44,478 and I feel she's doing it 776 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,348 because she's angry and she wants revenge. 777 00:36:47,350 --> 00:36:51,752 She'll try to make your life as miserable as she can. 778 00:36:51,754 --> 00:36:56,323 When she was upstairs, there was a lot of hate towards you guys. 779 00:36:56,325 --> 00:36:59,426 I saw her kind of looming over the bed. 780 00:36:59,428 --> 00:37:01,962 She also makes people ill. 781 00:37:01,964 --> 00:37:03,497 You know, we've already talked 782 00:37:03,499 --> 00:37:06,700 about Jacqui's health problems, but Tim's had his share, too. 783 00:37:06,702 --> 00:37:08,802 I've been in the emergency room four times... 784 00:37:08,804 --> 00:37:10,037 Mm-hmm. 785 00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:11,238 ...with the feeling of having a heart attack. 786 00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:12,573 Oh, my God. 787 00:37:12,575 --> 00:37:15,242 And since then, they've ran all their tests. 788 00:37:15,244 --> 00:37:18,345 They can't find anything wrong with me. 789 00:37:18,347 --> 00:37:19,647 So as far as this woman goes, 790 00:37:19,649 --> 00:37:22,116 is it possible that these guys will be able to see her? 791 00:37:22,118 --> 00:37:23,584 I think so. 792 00:37:23,586 --> 00:37:26,086 She's capable of projecting herself any which way. 793 00:37:26,088 --> 00:37:27,655 I'm worried about the little girl 794 00:37:27,657 --> 00:37:29,089 that your son saw. 795 00:37:29,091 --> 00:37:32,693 So she may be showing herself to her son as a little girl. 796 00:37:32,695 --> 00:37:34,128 Right. 797 00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:38,332 And I did have a sketch done of how she presented to me. 798 00:37:43,072 --> 00:37:44,938 Oh, that is pretty [bleep] up looking. 799 00:37:47,143 --> 00:37:49,476 Oh, wow. 800 00:37:49,478 --> 00:37:51,478 - That is creepy. - That is. 801 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,280 Scary to think that you have something 802 00:37:53,282 --> 00:37:55,616 like this in your house. 803 00:37:55,618 --> 00:37:57,084 All right, so what the hell 804 00:37:57,086 --> 00:37:59,586 does she want from these people? She wants you out of here 805 00:37:59,588 --> 00:38:02,423 because you have the drip with you right now, 806 00:38:02,425 --> 00:38:05,726 and she does not want to deal with that. 807 00:38:07,463 --> 00:38:09,263 So is she trying to split them up 808 00:38:09,265 --> 00:38:10,764 in a way of getting them out of here? 809 00:38:10,766 --> 00:38:12,332 Yes. 810 00:38:12,334 --> 00:38:15,102 She's absolutely capable of being a manipulator 811 00:38:15,104 --> 00:38:18,806 and trying to get into your subconscious 812 00:38:18,808 --> 00:38:22,342 and, you know, giving you these instructions. 813 00:38:22,344 --> 00:38:25,379 You know, "You don't love her anymore" and working on that, 814 00:38:25,381 --> 00:38:27,781 even if she manipulated the way you heard her. 815 00:38:27,783 --> 00:38:28,949 I was just going to ask you that 816 00:38:28,951 --> 00:38:30,818 because he heard it in a man's voice. 817 00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:33,587 She'll do that to fool people. 818 00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:36,323 I thought it was my fault. 819 00:38:36,325 --> 00:38:39,159 I brought this stuff here. 820 00:38:39,161 --> 00:38:41,161 Why do you feel that way? 821 00:38:42,398 --> 00:38:44,264 When I was 14... 822 00:38:46,502 --> 00:38:48,469 ...I was raped. 823 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,908 And I had no one. 824 00:38:54,910 --> 00:38:58,712 After that, everything I did was a lie. 825 00:38:58,714 --> 00:39:01,582 Well, you know what's going on here is not your fault. 826 00:39:01,584 --> 00:39:03,884 I still blame myself. 827 00:39:03,886 --> 00:39:05,886 How do I fix this? 828 00:39:21,328 --> 00:39:24,930 Now, Jacqui, when we first met, you told me the only thing 829 00:39:24,932 --> 00:39:27,433 you really wanted is your family back. 830 00:39:27,435 --> 00:39:29,334 Now the big question is, will you be able to do that 831 00:39:29,336 --> 00:39:33,105 here in this house, and what's it gonna take? 832 00:39:33,107 --> 00:39:35,607 For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 833 00:39:38,212 --> 00:39:39,645 Let's start with the drip. 834 00:39:39,647 --> 00:39:42,915 We all have moments in our lives, 835 00:39:42,917 --> 00:39:44,983 like what you're going through right now, 836 00:39:44,985 --> 00:39:47,953 where you are given an opportunity 837 00:39:47,955 --> 00:39:50,422 to deal with [bleep] that you've acquired. 838 00:39:50,424 --> 00:39:55,394 You have a chance right now to seek more therapy 839 00:39:55,396 --> 00:39:59,298 dealing with the rape that happened, 840 00:39:59,300 --> 00:40:01,500 processing those things, 841 00:40:01,502 --> 00:40:03,702 and I know it's horrible, 842 00:40:03,704 --> 00:40:06,138 but really processing those things, 843 00:40:06,140 --> 00:40:08,974 and anything else that's happened 844 00:40:08,976 --> 00:40:11,076 that's haunting you now. 845 00:40:11,078 --> 00:40:13,378 If you don't deal with them, 846 00:40:13,380 --> 00:40:17,883 they're just gonna get bigger and uglier and nastier. 847 00:40:17,885 --> 00:40:20,119 If you go through all this the right way, 848 00:40:20,121 --> 00:40:22,988 you can come out being a proactive person 849 00:40:22,990 --> 00:40:27,826 and a truly strong person, a survivor. 850 00:40:27,828 --> 00:40:31,964 As far as the dead, it would be extremely difficult 851 00:40:31,966 --> 00:40:36,268 to move her on, if at all even possible. 852 00:40:36,270 --> 00:40:38,770 The teenager, as well, would be extremely difficult. 853 00:40:41,575 --> 00:40:44,576 Frankly, I would suggest that you not stay here. 854 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,548 The land here is very, very bad. 855 00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:53,852 You're talking about hundreds of years of contamination 856 00:40:53,854 --> 00:40:57,422 that can't be just wiped away. 857 00:40:57,424 --> 00:40:59,892 And because of where you are in your life, 858 00:40:59,894 --> 00:41:04,830 I just feel that it would do you no favor to stay here 859 00:41:04,832 --> 00:41:08,200 and go through this transition. 860 00:41:08,202 --> 00:41:09,601 It's going to be hard, 861 00:41:09,603 --> 00:41:12,704 but if we set our minds to it, we can do it. 862 00:41:12,706 --> 00:41:14,239 I agree. It's going to be stressful, 863 00:41:14,241 --> 00:41:17,409 but it comes down to family first. 864 00:41:20,981 --> 00:41:24,116 Just really appreciative of you guys for helping us. 865 00:41:24,118 --> 00:41:25,817 If it wasn't for you guys coming out here, 866 00:41:25,819 --> 00:41:28,086 we -- we don't know where we would have ended up. 867 00:41:31,091 --> 00:41:33,525 I wish I had better news for Tim and Jacqui, 868 00:41:33,527 --> 00:41:36,361 but leaving this home is their best option. 869 00:41:36,363 --> 00:41:39,431 If they do that, and if Jacqui goes into therapy, 870 00:41:39,433 --> 00:41:40,999 they'll begin the process of healing 871 00:41:41,001 --> 00:41:43,969 and lead a peaceful, happy life. 872 00:41:44,019 --> 00:41:48,569 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 67511

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