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Oh, boy. It's a demon!
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And I looked up, and there was
an apparition of an old man.
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She's not good, and the person
has, like, nightmares.
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He laid down on his bed and he
shot himself in the chest.
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So I think he's insane.
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I saw a dark figure
with red eyes.
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They're probably gonna die.
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The people who live
here need help.
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This seems like a possession.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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Everything was built on blood.
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I see dead people.
Very disturbing.
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I speak to dead people.
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There's victims around him.
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Ow.
And they speak to me.
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Her voice sounds like death.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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The living don't
stand a chance here.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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You could have got killed.
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I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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This is coming
straight from hell.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Your mom was murdered
right here in this room. Yes, she was.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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This was just the beginning.
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When we uncover if it's safe
for you to stay...
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Oh, my god.
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Or time to get out.
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They're very bad.
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This house is
trying to kill me.
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I'm in the small town
of Ripley, West Virginia.
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It's about an hour north
of Charleston.
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I got a call
from a guy named Scott
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who is a father of three.
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Now, he told me activity
in the house is violent
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and out of control.
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And he's worried one of the kids
are going to get seriously hurt.
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I really hope Amy and I can
help this guy out.
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Before Amy arrives,
I clear the home of anything
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that might influence
her findings.
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Religious icons, family photos,
and personal items
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must be covered or removed.
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When I'm finished,
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the location will be ready
for tonight's walk.
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What the hell?
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Is there a demon here?
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Ooh, boy.
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I'm seeing a tall guy
who looks like a devil.
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What is it doing?
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Causing havoc.
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He's got a lot of little demons
running around.
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The living here have
interactions with the devil,
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and the people
who live here need help
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because of the crazy
that's going on.
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When we spoke on the phone,
you sounded really desperate.
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What the hell's
going on here?
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There's something evil,
something paranormal.
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I mean,
it's causing problems.
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It's attacking my wife
and my kids, and I need help.
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One of the reasons I took
the case is because of the kids.
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Who exactly lives
in the house?
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Donovan, Kayden, my wife Wendy,
me, and Lacey.
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How long have you guys
been living here?
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About a year and a half.
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We moved here because
where we came from
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was a bad neighborhood.
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And then we came here hoping
this was going to be a home.
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But it's not a home.
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Did you notice activity
right away?
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No. Six months after
we moved in,
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the neighbor's house burned
clear to the ground.
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That's when
the activity started.
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Was anybody hurt
in that fire?
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No, nobody was hurt,
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but I feel that something dark
was awakened.
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Do me a favor
and give me a list
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of what you guys are
experiencing.
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We've heard noises,
heard voices.
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We've seen apparitions.
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We've seen shadow figures.
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and my wife
and daughter's been attacked.
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Now is everybody
in the house being affected?
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Yeah, they're getting
the physical.
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And my oldest son, Donovan, he's
getting more of the emotional.
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What do you mean,
emotional?
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I mean, what was he like
before you moved in here?
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Laughing, joking, happy.
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Right. So what happened?
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A change overnight.
I mean,
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it just went from straight
to, like, no communication.
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Trying to
shove everybody out.
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Did anything happen
in his life?
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Did he break up
with a girlfriend?
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I don't know.
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He's even kept things
from us.
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It's scary. It really is.
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All right, so what makes
you think that's paranormal?
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Because it seems like
it's controlling him.
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It's like he doesn't want
to leave the house.
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He doesn't want
to leave the room.
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So if you take him away
from the house, what happens?
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He wants to go back home
to his room.
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- Has he seen a doctor?
- Yes.
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- What's the doctor say?
- They're not really sure.
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But there's nothing
they can do.
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If anything ever happened
to my kids,
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I couldn't live with myself.
I could live.
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Well, I gotta
ask you, Scott.
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I mean, why don't you
just pack up and leave?
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- I mean...
- We thought about it.
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Scared it's going
to follow us.
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I'm scared it's gonna
cause more damage.
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It's weird.
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I'm seeing
the tall devil guy again,
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but now he's dressed like
a Catholic priest.
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He's like,
"Don't go any further."
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And he shows me that the people
put a barrier over their house.
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He burrows into the ground,
goes under the fence
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and pops up inside.
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And he goes, "Ha ha!
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They can't keep me out,
and neither can you."
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So there's
no hallowed ground here.
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This is where
the fire was, right?
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Yes. Yes, it was.
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You weren't kidding
when you said
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it burnt down to
the ground.
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Oh, man,
it burned clear down.
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All right, Scott, so what kind
of experiences have you had?
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Well, I got woken up
from a sound of a gunshot.
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Okay, this is West Virginia.
I mean, there's guns everywhere.
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How sure are you that
it didn't come from outside?
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I could actually feel
the concussion.
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- You keep guns in the house?
- No, I do not.
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I thought maybe Donovan
might have shot his self.
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I was terrified.
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Okay, so now you've realized
it's not Donovan.
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What the hell
do you think it was?
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The neighbor told me that
a previous owner
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done suicide
in the house in the '90s.
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- Really?
- Yes.
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All right. I'll have to
definitely check that out.
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Anything else?
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I just hear bangs and knocks
throughout the house.
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Can you describe the sounds?
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It sounds like someone's, like,
beating on the wall.
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And sometimes it sounds
like silverware
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dropping into the sink.
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It's a pretty old house. You're
sure it's not the plumbing?
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- I don't think it is.
- Have you ever had it checked?
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No, I have not.
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Anything else?
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I was out here in the backyard
and I heard three knocks.
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And I looked up and there
was an apparition of an old man
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that was looking through
the window there.
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- He had, like, peppered hair.
- Okay.
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Older-like man, and his nose
right here was wide.
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- Okay.
- A little bit wide.
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Skinny, slim guy. Tall.
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- Did he seem solid to you?
- Oh, yes.
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It's just like me
looking at you right now.
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There's elderly people here.
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So there's two men
and two women who are old.
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80s, 90s.
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One couple definitely
lived here.
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I'm not sure about
that other couple exactly.
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They walk the halls.
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The living would hear that.
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What do you think
whatever's here wants?
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I think it's wanting us out.
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But if I have to go, I'll go.
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For my kids' safety, you know,
I'm out of here.
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This is probably
bothering you
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a lot more than
you're letting on.
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It is.
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I don't want to show my kids
if I break down and cry.
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I want to stand strong.
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My first priority
is to keep my family safe.
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I want them to know that they're
protected as much as they can.
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And what the hell
do you think is here?
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I'm not sure what it is,
but I know it's evil.
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And it's not human.
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Oh, boy.
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Something is going on
in the closet.
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I think he comes from up there.
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Is the person in here having
experiences with this devil?
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Probably. It definitely
hangs out in that closet a lot.
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Do people see it?
Do the living see it?
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Yeah. Like Satan,
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but he's dressed still
in the priest outfit.
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This is, like, chaos in here.
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Chaos.
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So, Lacey, how old are you?
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I'm 10.
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Daddy told me that
you were afraid to be alone.
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- Is that right?
- Yeah.
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Why?
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I feel like something's
watching me in the closet,
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and the closet door opens.
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I got so scared that
I'm sleeping with my mom now.
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Now have you seen or heard
anything else that's scared you?
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In my mom's room, I saw
a dark figure with red eyes.
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Then I started crying
and I wouldn't quit
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until my brother
told me it's okay.
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And what did you
think it was, honey?
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I really couldn't tell.
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All right, so what else
is going on?
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I have nightmares.
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Okay. Do you remember
the nightmares,
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what they're about?
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No. Mom said that I was
in my room
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and I was crying
in the middle of the night,
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and I didn't --
I don't remember that.
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It sounds like you're having
a tough time here.
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Anything else?
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About a week ago,
I had a burning on my chest,
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so I looked down
and there was three scratches.
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Lacey, do you have any idea
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what might have
caused that to happen?
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- No idea.
- Okay.
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Do you want to stay here
or do you want to move away?
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Move away.
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So the devil guy
is beating on somebody.
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Smacking someone
on the back of the head.
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She's freaking out.
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And then he is beating on
this child,
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so I think this person
has nightmares.
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He's just torturing the [bleep]
out of this person.
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He's insane.
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So, Donovan,
how old are you?
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15.
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Your father seems to think
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that something in this house
is affecting you.
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- You agree with him?
- Mm-hmm.
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I feel like
it's controlling me.
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It's like my mind
goes completely blurry.
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I black out, and then it's like
something else just takes over.
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I just feel hopeless.
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Your father was telling me
your personality has changed
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and you don't like leaving
your room. Is that true?
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Yeah. If I leave, it feels
like I'm out of place.
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It feels like
I'm complete in here.
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Like, all my worries
go away.
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Besides
the personality changes,
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what about experiences
with the paranormal?
250
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I'm seeing this dark figure
that walks in my room.
251
00:11:31,083 --> 00:11:34,551
He'll pace from the hallway
to this wall.
252
00:11:34,553 --> 00:11:36,019
Okay,
so what's it look like?
253
00:11:36,021 --> 00:11:37,587
Like a shadow.
254
00:11:37,589 --> 00:11:38,889
And what do you think it is?
255
00:11:38,891 --> 00:11:41,057
I think it's something evil.
256
00:11:41,059 --> 00:11:42,692
I think it's demonic.
257
00:11:42,694 --> 00:11:44,828
You taking any drugs
and not telling anybody here?
258
00:11:44,830 --> 00:11:46,329
- No.
- Don't [bleep] me.
259
00:11:46,331 --> 00:11:48,698
- I'm serious.
- No.
260
00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:50,100
Okay.
261
00:11:54,072 --> 00:11:56,606
I see a younger boy.
262
00:11:56,608 --> 00:12:02,078
And this is weird because he's,
like, organically a witch.
263
00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,214
Can you elaborate
on what you mean?
264
00:12:04,216 --> 00:12:08,318
People who automatically how to
do things that witches do,
265
00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,086
like protecting yourself.
266
00:12:10,088 --> 00:12:12,355
Is this something
he's doing intentionally?
267
00:12:12,357 --> 00:12:13,957
No.
268
00:12:13,959 --> 00:12:16,159
He does not know what
he's doing.
269
00:12:16,161 --> 00:12:17,994
So if he's protecting himself,
does that mean
270
00:12:17,996 --> 00:12:19,629
he doesn't have
any experiences?
271
00:12:19,631 --> 00:12:20,931
No, no, no, no, no.
272
00:12:20,933 --> 00:12:22,699
Just because
someone's protected
273
00:12:22,701 --> 00:12:24,634
doesn't mean that
they're bulletproof.
274
00:12:24,636 --> 00:12:26,970
What sort of experiences
would they have?
275
00:12:26,972 --> 00:12:28,238
Things get through,
276
00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,106
and the person has, like,
nightmares.
277
00:12:32,844 --> 00:12:34,311
What's causing that?
278
00:12:34,313 --> 00:12:36,112
This is
the devil priest guy.
279
00:12:36,114 --> 00:12:41,184
The kid sometimes gets scared,
but doesn't know how bad it is.
280
00:12:41,186 --> 00:12:43,820
I mean, is this something
that could be dangerous for him?
281
00:12:43,822 --> 00:12:46,289
Yes. It's a demon!
282
00:12:53,832 --> 00:12:55,165
So, Wendy, I was talking
to your husband,
283
00:12:55,167 --> 00:12:57,167
and it sounds like
things got crazy here.
284
00:12:57,169 --> 00:12:58,902
- And you agree with that?
- Yeah.
285
00:12:58,904 --> 00:13:01,972
I spoke to Donovan.
You gotta be worried about him.
286
00:13:01,974 --> 00:13:03,139
Yes.
287
00:13:03,141 --> 00:13:04,774
Have you ever seen him
have an experience?
288
00:13:04,776 --> 00:13:06,009
Yes.
289
00:13:06,011 --> 00:13:08,378
He came into the kitchen,
his eyes was black.
290
00:13:08,380 --> 00:13:10,180
Immediately
went to his room,
291
00:13:10,182 --> 00:13:12,182
started crying and said,
"Make it stop."
292
00:13:12,184 --> 00:13:13,583
What do you think
is going on?
293
00:13:13,585 --> 00:13:16,653
I don't know. It's like he's --
Somebody's in him.
294
00:13:16,655 --> 00:13:18,355
I don't know how else
to explain it.
295
00:13:18,357 --> 00:13:20,190
It was not my son.
296
00:13:20,192 --> 00:13:22,158
That's got to be hard on you
as a mom.
297
00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:23,460
Yeah.
298
00:13:23,462 --> 00:13:24,961
So you think whatever is here
is influencing him?
299
00:13:24,963 --> 00:13:26,196
Yes.
300
00:13:26,198 --> 00:13:28,264
What experiences have you
been going through?
301
00:13:28,266 --> 00:13:29,699
Around 3:00 in the morning,
302
00:13:29,701 --> 00:13:32,135
I woke up to a man
screaming in my face.
303
00:13:32,137 --> 00:13:33,436
What did he say?
304
00:13:33,438 --> 00:13:35,639
"Get up. What the [bleep]
are you doing sleeping?"
305
00:13:35,641 --> 00:13:37,741
I immediately jumped
out of bed.
306
00:13:37,743 --> 00:13:40,777
And you're sure
you weren't dreaming? Mm-hmm.
307
00:13:40,779 --> 00:13:41,978
Was it a voice
you recognized?
308
00:13:41,980 --> 00:13:44,581
No.
It was just a deep voice.
309
00:13:44,583 --> 00:13:46,816
- Okay.
- A deep man's voice.
310
00:13:46,818 --> 00:13:48,351
It scared me to death.
311
00:13:48,353 --> 00:13:50,320
I didn't sleep
the rest of the night.
312
00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,727
There's a dead kid here.
313
00:13:57,729 --> 00:14:01,898
He is a bad, bad, evil child.
314
00:14:01,900 --> 00:14:07,003
The living here have
interactions with the child,
315
00:14:07,005 --> 00:14:10,073
and he's, like,
slithering along the walls.
316
00:14:11,677 --> 00:14:14,577
The living would see him
in the hall
317
00:14:14,579 --> 00:14:17,847
and they would hear him
and they would feel him.
318
00:14:17,849 --> 00:14:20,784
They would feel like they're
being inappropriately watched.
319
00:14:23,422 --> 00:14:25,622
When he's stalking the living,
320
00:14:25,624 --> 00:14:28,825
will turn into
this creepy old man
321
00:14:28,827 --> 00:14:31,161
with, like, a stretched face.
322
00:14:31,163 --> 00:14:33,430
Like, super deformed.
323
00:14:33,432 --> 00:14:35,965
He is a threat,
this old, old man.
324
00:14:35,967 --> 00:14:38,902
The old couples that are here
don't like him.
325
00:14:38,904 --> 00:14:41,771
He used the elderly people
when they were alive,
326
00:14:41,773 --> 00:14:44,507
but now he needs new victims,
327
00:14:44,509 --> 00:14:47,510
new living people
to feed off of.
328
00:14:47,512 --> 00:14:51,214
He gets them when they're
sleeping in their beds at night.
329
00:14:54,486 --> 00:14:55,852
How the hell are you
sleeping at night
330
00:14:55,854 --> 00:14:57,287
with all this stuff
that's going on?
331
00:14:57,289 --> 00:14:59,923
Not very good.
I have nightmares all the time.
332
00:14:59,925 --> 00:15:01,458
What kind of nightmares?
333
00:15:01,460 --> 00:15:04,394
Like I'm trying to protect
my kids, and they don't want it.
334
00:15:04,396 --> 00:15:05,929
All right. Anything else?
335
00:15:05,931 --> 00:15:07,163
Since we've moved in,
336
00:15:07,165 --> 00:15:09,199
I've constantly felt like
I'm tired all the time.
337
00:15:09,201 --> 00:15:13,269
No matter how much sleep I get,
I'm still sleepy and drained.
338
00:15:13,271 --> 00:15:15,138
Everybody feels tired
when they wake up.
339
00:15:15,140 --> 00:15:16,406
I mean, why is it
different for you?
340
00:15:16,408 --> 00:15:18,441
Mine's all day, every day,
341
00:15:18,443 --> 00:15:20,643
like I haven't slept
for weeks.
342
00:15:20,645 --> 00:15:22,879
Now, are you on any medication
that might make you tired?
343
00:15:22,881 --> 00:15:24,047
- No.
- All right,
344
00:15:24,049 --> 00:15:25,381
so what do you think caused
that feeling?
345
00:15:25,383 --> 00:15:26,783
I think it was the house.
346
00:15:26,785 --> 00:15:29,886
Do you think whatever's
here is dangerous? Yes.
347
00:15:29,888 --> 00:15:32,455
Scratching my daughter, Donovan
going through everything...
348
00:15:32,457 --> 00:15:34,090
Someone's gonna
get hurt bad.
349
00:15:34,092 --> 00:15:35,792
It scares me every day.
350
00:15:35,794 --> 00:15:38,795
- How you holding it together?
- By a thread now.
351
00:15:38,797 --> 00:15:42,532
It's tough when you don't know
what to do or how to help.
352
00:15:45,203 --> 00:15:47,170
Person in here is
being assaulted
353
00:15:47,172 --> 00:15:49,939
by the elderly child man.
354
00:15:49,941 --> 00:15:51,608
This is a living woman.
355
00:15:51,610 --> 00:15:53,343
What exactly is he doing
to her?
356
00:15:53,345 --> 00:15:59,015
The child old man is sucking
her energy out of her.
357
00:15:59,017 --> 00:16:00,250
How does that affect her?
358
00:16:00,252 --> 00:16:02,418
It feels like choking,
359
00:16:02,420 --> 00:16:04,387
something standing on her chest,
360
00:16:04,389 --> 00:16:06,022
can't catch her breath,
361
00:16:06,024 --> 00:16:08,992
gagging, coughing.
362
00:16:11,463 --> 00:16:13,229
So this person is sick.
363
00:16:13,231 --> 00:16:15,431
They're getting sicker
and sicker and sicker.
364
00:16:15,433 --> 00:16:18,768
This person is probably
a physical medium,
365
00:16:18,770 --> 00:16:21,171
but they're not open
to their abilities right now
366
00:16:21,173 --> 00:16:23,339
because they're sick.
367
00:16:23,341 --> 00:16:25,108
He's trying to kill them.
368
00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:27,010
They're probably gonna die.
369
00:16:40,182 --> 00:16:41,882
Most of the time, my clients
don't know anything
370
00:16:41,884 --> 00:16:43,550
about the history of
their property.
371
00:16:43,552 --> 00:16:45,886
But in this case, Scott thinks
there was a suicide
372
00:16:45,888 --> 00:16:47,321
that took place
right in his house.
373
00:16:47,323 --> 00:16:50,257
So I had a local PI look into it
for me.
374
00:16:50,259 --> 00:16:52,259
He says not only is it true,
375
00:16:52,261 --> 00:16:54,895
but it's also one of the saddest
things to happen to this town
376
00:16:54,897 --> 00:16:56,563
in over a half a century.
377
00:17:02,605 --> 00:17:04,738
What can you tell me about
this guy that committed suicide?
378
00:17:04,740 --> 00:17:08,141
His name was Robert Lucas,
born in 1927.
379
00:17:11,614 --> 00:17:13,614
Mr. Lucas was 60 years old
380
00:17:13,616 --> 00:17:17,217
when he bought
your client's house in 1987.
381
00:17:17,219 --> 00:17:18,886
Did you find out anything
about his life
382
00:17:18,888 --> 00:17:21,121
that could explain
why he killed himself?
383
00:17:21,123 --> 00:17:22,856
Well, Lucas married
his first wife.
384
00:17:22,858 --> 00:17:24,591
Her name was Joyce Cameron.
385
00:17:24,593 --> 00:17:29,162
In 1952, she died at age 45
of throat cancer.
386
00:17:29,164 --> 00:17:31,431
And here's the death certificate
for Joyce.
387
00:17:31,433 --> 00:17:34,201
She died in 1978.
388
00:17:34,203 --> 00:17:36,103
- Does he remarry?
- Yep.
389
00:17:36,105 --> 00:17:38,472
About 10 years later,
he marries his second wife.
390
00:17:38,474 --> 00:17:40,040
Her name is Stella.
391
00:17:40,042 --> 00:17:43,143
She was 33 years old.
392
00:17:43,145 --> 00:17:44,778
He was 60.
393
00:17:44,780 --> 00:17:46,546
Okay.
394
00:17:46,548 --> 00:17:49,283
Shortly after Lucas married
his second wife,
395
00:17:49,285 --> 00:17:51,184
they moved into
your client's home.
396
00:17:51,186 --> 00:17:52,920
All right, so now he's married
to a much younger woman.
397
00:17:52,922 --> 00:17:55,555
- How's it go?
- Not so well.
398
00:17:55,557 --> 00:17:58,325
And after 5 years of marriage,
Stella left him.
399
00:17:58,327 --> 00:18:01,528
All right, so he's basically
at my client's house alone.
400
00:18:01,530 --> 00:18:04,264
Yes. I think about 5 months
after she left,
401
00:18:04,266 --> 00:18:05,899
he committed suicide.
402
00:18:05,901 --> 00:18:07,334
All right.
So how does he kill himself?
403
00:18:07,336 --> 00:18:09,102
The morning
of January 5, 1993,
404
00:18:09,104 --> 00:18:12,072
he goes back into
his bedroom.
405
00:18:12,074 --> 00:18:15,208
He laid down in his bed and he
shot himself in the chest.
406
00:18:15,210 --> 00:18:16,977
- In the chest?
- Yes.
407
00:18:16,979 --> 00:18:19,146
That's usually rare
for a man to do that.
408
00:18:19,148 --> 00:18:20,814
And that was the official
cause of death?
409
00:18:20,816 --> 00:18:22,382
Yes, gunshot wound
to the thorax.
410
00:18:22,384 --> 00:18:25,218
It's here on
his death certificate.
411
00:18:25,220 --> 00:18:26,920
Okay.
412
00:18:26,922 --> 00:18:30,324
It looks like the heartache
finally got to him.
413
00:18:30,326 --> 00:18:32,859
Yes.
414
00:18:35,130 --> 00:18:37,965
I, like, feel really horrible.
415
00:18:37,967 --> 00:18:41,501
Sick and dizzy and...
416
00:18:41,503 --> 00:18:43,971
bad. Like, not good.
417
00:18:43,973 --> 00:18:46,606
It's weird. It feels like
somebody died in here.
418
00:18:49,878 --> 00:18:54,381
Feels like death
and horrible, ill sickness.
419
00:18:56,352 --> 00:18:57,818
Very bad.
420
00:19:00,255 --> 00:19:02,789
I think I'm feeling the death
of the evil little kid
421
00:19:02,791 --> 00:19:05,993
who can transform into
the creepy old man.
422
00:19:05,995 --> 00:19:09,296
And the boy did live here
423
00:19:09,298 --> 00:19:10,964
at some point.
424
00:19:10,966 --> 00:19:14,034
But he lived to be old.
425
00:19:14,036 --> 00:19:17,004
He shows himself when he was
little and he was, like, 5.
426
00:19:17,006 --> 00:19:19,973
And that was, like,
in the 1920s.
427
00:19:21,410 --> 00:19:23,443
I don't think he died
until, like, the 1980s
428
00:19:23,445 --> 00:19:26,346
or, like, the 1990s.
429
00:19:30,285 --> 00:19:31,985
One thing keeps
nagging at me.
430
00:19:31,987 --> 00:19:33,453
Everyone in the house
is complaining about
431
00:19:33,455 --> 00:19:35,522
banging and clanking sounds.
432
00:19:35,524 --> 00:19:37,691
Of course, they think it's
the paranormal.
433
00:19:37,693 --> 00:19:41,428
But the house is old and I think
it could just be bad plumbing.
434
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:43,530
I'm headed back to Scott's
property to meet a plumber
435
00:19:43,532 --> 00:19:45,766
who's going to give
the place a full inspection.
436
00:19:51,373 --> 00:19:52,873
- How you doing, Landon?
- Good. How are you doing?
437
00:19:52,875 --> 00:19:55,308
Good, good. Thanks for
meeting me. I appreciate that.
438
00:19:55,310 --> 00:19:56,643
So this is the deal.
439
00:19:56,645 --> 00:19:58,078
My clients here are
complaining
440
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,013
about banging and clanking
in the walls.
441
00:20:00,015 --> 00:20:02,249
Now, in your experience,
have you come across
442
00:20:02,251 --> 00:20:04,051
pipes making
those kinds of noises?
443
00:20:06,755 --> 00:20:08,755
Okay. So if you could,
do me a favor
444
00:20:08,757 --> 00:20:10,791
and see if the pipes can be
making those noises?
445
00:20:10,793 --> 00:20:12,092
- Okay. We can do it.
- Okay.
446
00:20:12,094 --> 00:20:14,194
- I'll get my tool bag.
- Okay, great.
447
00:20:18,067 --> 00:20:19,232
With all the strange sounds
448
00:20:19,234 --> 00:20:20,434
Scott and his family
are hearing,
449
00:20:20,436 --> 00:20:23,270
I know I have to rule out
the obvious first.
450
00:20:25,808 --> 00:20:28,275
And if there isn't
a physical explanation...
451
00:20:31,413 --> 00:20:34,381
...our only hope for answers
will have to come from Amy.
452
00:20:34,383 --> 00:20:36,683
- What'd you find?
- Nothing.
453
00:20:36,685 --> 00:20:38,618
Okay, so nothing you saw
could explain
454
00:20:38,620 --> 00:20:40,187
the noises the clients
are hearing?
455
00:20:40,189 --> 00:20:41,521
- No, sir.
- All right.
456
00:20:41,523 --> 00:20:42,689
Well, I appreciate
your hard work.
457
00:20:42,691 --> 00:20:45,092
- Thank you so much.
- Yeah, you're welcome.
458
00:20:52,067 --> 00:20:54,768
The kid, he's creepy.
459
00:20:54,770 --> 00:20:58,338
I asked him if he haunted
the place, and he laughed at me.
460
00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:02,509
He's the reason those old
dead couples are trapped here.
461
00:21:02,511 --> 00:21:05,745
And they, like,
bump into the walls
462
00:21:05,747 --> 00:21:08,782
because their minds are gone.
463
00:21:08,784 --> 00:21:10,484
The living people
would hear that.
464
00:21:10,486 --> 00:21:13,887
So they'd hear, like,
people walking into the walls.
465
00:21:16,091 --> 00:21:18,859
This kid, he's not good.
466
00:21:18,861 --> 00:21:21,161
I don't like him.
467
00:21:26,668 --> 00:21:28,001
If you need us to investigate
468
00:21:28,003 --> 00:21:29,903
unexplained activity
in your home,
469
00:21:29,905 --> 00:21:32,873
go to "The Dead Files"
page at travelchannel.com.
470
00:21:32,875 --> 00:21:34,808
Click on "Help me, Dead Files!"
and submit your story,
471
00:21:34,810 --> 00:21:35,976
and we'll help if we can.
472
00:21:44,886 --> 00:21:47,587
So far, I've got a family
living in fear
473
00:21:47,589 --> 00:21:49,456
on a property
where a previous owner
474
00:21:49,458 --> 00:21:51,725
committed suicide in the house.
475
00:21:51,727 --> 00:21:53,927
But I want to see
if there's anything else.
476
00:21:56,298 --> 00:21:58,064
Searching through old records,
I come across
477
00:21:58,066 --> 00:22:00,734
another former property owner
named Henry Pfost.
478
00:22:00,736 --> 00:22:03,403
Turns out Henry's mother
was one of the victims
479
00:22:03,405 --> 00:22:05,372
of a brutal triple homicide
480
00:22:05,374 --> 00:22:08,642
right near
Scott and Wendy's house.
481
00:22:08,644 --> 00:22:10,944
I'm headed out to meet
my old buddy Jim Casto,
482
00:22:10,946 --> 00:22:13,580
who looked into
this case for me.
483
00:22:13,582 --> 00:22:15,782
Now he says this was
the bloodiest homicide
484
00:22:15,784 --> 00:22:17,117
in this town's history.
485
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,686
And when it came time
for justice to be served,
486
00:22:19,688 --> 00:22:22,289
people traveled
from miles around to see it.
487
00:22:26,995 --> 00:22:30,063
Jim, thanks for meeting me
again. I appreciate that.
488
00:22:30,065 --> 00:22:31,498
Now I know
one of the victims
489
00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:33,633
of this homicide was
the mother of Henry Pfost,
490
00:22:33,635 --> 00:22:35,368
who owned
my client's property.
491
00:22:35,370 --> 00:22:36,836
What do you know about
this woman?
492
00:22:36,838 --> 00:22:40,240
In 1891,
Henry's mother, Chloe,
493
00:22:40,242 --> 00:22:43,610
adopted
a 16-year-old orphan boy
494
00:22:43,612 --> 00:22:45,979
by the name of John Morgan.
495
00:22:45,981 --> 00:22:50,950
She treated him
as if he were her own son.
496
00:22:50,952 --> 00:22:54,587
And her other children --
James, Matilda, and Alice --
497
00:22:54,589 --> 00:22:59,059
also looked on him
as simply their other brother.
498
00:22:59,061 --> 00:23:01,995
- They raised him for 6 years.
- Okay.
499
00:23:01,997 --> 00:23:05,265
Then he got married,
got his own place nearby.
500
00:23:05,267 --> 00:23:10,136
But he still frequently
was a visitor at the home.
501
00:23:10,138 --> 00:23:12,972
Okay, so walk me through
the murder. What happened?
502
00:23:12,974 --> 00:23:17,444
Well, Morgan had learned that
Chloe had sold a valuable horse
503
00:23:17,446 --> 00:23:19,479
for a tidy sum of money.
504
00:23:19,481 --> 00:23:24,117
And so he arranged to visit
the farm and stay the night.
505
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:25,752
Okay, I can see
where this is going.
506
00:23:25,754 --> 00:23:30,323
He clearly intended to lay
his hands on that money.
507
00:23:30,325 --> 00:23:33,593
The next morning
Chloe's son, James,
508
00:23:33,595 --> 00:23:36,563
went out early
to feed the animals.
509
00:23:36,565 --> 00:23:40,500
John Morgan followed him,
took a pickax,
510
00:23:40,502 --> 00:23:42,702
hit him several times
in the head,
511
00:23:42,704 --> 00:23:44,904
then grabbed a large rock
512
00:23:44,906 --> 00:23:47,340
and crushed his skull
with it.
513
00:23:47,342 --> 00:23:50,744
He went into the house then,
picked up a hatchet,
514
00:23:50,746 --> 00:23:53,012
and attacked the two sisters.
515
00:23:53,014 --> 00:23:56,015
Killed Matilda outright.
516
00:23:56,017 --> 00:23:58,852
Gravely injured Alice.
517
00:23:58,854 --> 00:24:01,821
At that point, he turned
his attention to Chloe.
518
00:24:01,823 --> 00:24:04,157
Broke down her bedroom door,
519
00:24:04,159 --> 00:24:06,326
took his hatchet,
and attacked her.
520
00:24:06,328 --> 00:24:09,763
Eventually she made it out
to the front porch,
521
00:24:09,765 --> 00:24:12,332
where he hit her
a fatal blow
522
00:24:12,334 --> 00:24:15,869
and she collapsed
in a pool of blood.
523
00:24:22,043 --> 00:24:23,543
I see two males here.
524
00:24:23,545 --> 00:24:26,346
I'm not exactly
getting brothers,
525
00:24:26,348 --> 00:24:30,150
but it's like brothers
or something.
526
00:24:30,152 --> 00:24:34,854
One's here and then gone,
and then here and then gone.
527
00:24:34,856 --> 00:24:38,291
One of them is not good.
Bad, bad, bad.
528
00:24:39,494 --> 00:24:42,962
I'm hearing a woman scream.
529
00:24:44,499 --> 00:24:47,400
And I hear a man say,
530
00:24:47,402 --> 00:24:48,735
"Shut up, bitch!"
531
00:24:48,737 --> 00:24:50,970
And then I heard
a nasty cracking,
532
00:24:50,972 --> 00:24:54,374
like a mushy, wet sound.
533
00:24:54,376 --> 00:24:56,376
And then she stops.
534
00:24:56,378 --> 00:24:57,877
So obviously he killed her.
535
00:25:01,683 --> 00:25:03,383
Okay, so we got three dead,
536
00:25:03,385 --> 00:25:05,885
one daughter who survives,
and our perp on the loose.
537
00:25:05,887 --> 00:25:07,020
What happens next?
538
00:25:07,022 --> 00:25:10,757
They made quick work
of tracking down Morgan.
539
00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:14,561
The authorities feared
that Morgan might be lynched,
540
00:25:14,563 --> 00:25:17,630
so they put him on trial
the very next day.
541
00:25:17,632 --> 00:25:20,834
The trial was quick,
and it took the jury
542
00:25:20,836 --> 00:25:25,205
just an hour to come back
with a guilty verdict.
543
00:25:25,207 --> 00:25:28,308
The headline on this newspaper
article from the time
544
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:30,376
is "Swift Justice."
545
00:25:30,378 --> 00:25:33,446
And that's certainly
what was unfolding here.
546
00:25:33,448 --> 00:25:35,448
So what happens next?
547
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:38,184
On December 16,
they marched Morgan
548
00:25:38,186 --> 00:25:40,553
from the jail to a gallows
549
00:25:40,555 --> 00:25:44,224
that had been especially built
for the occasion.
550
00:25:44,226 --> 00:25:49,662
It was only 1,700 feet from
the home you're investigating.
551
00:25:49,664 --> 00:25:50,830
Really?
552
00:25:50,832 --> 00:25:52,599
On the day of execution,
553
00:25:52,601 --> 00:25:55,969
they had a crowd that was
estimated at 10,000.
554
00:25:55,971 --> 00:26:00,640
There was a circus-like
atmosphere in town that day.
555
00:26:00,642 --> 00:26:04,577
At 12:05, the trap door
was sprung,
556
00:26:04,579 --> 00:26:08,081
and Morgan fell to his death,
557
00:26:08,083 --> 00:26:09,983
paid for his crimes.
558
00:26:15,390 --> 00:26:17,624
I'm in a crowd of people, okay?
559
00:26:17,626 --> 00:26:20,426
And it's pitch-black,
and I can just feel bodies,
560
00:26:20,428 --> 00:26:22,161
you know, up against me.
561
00:26:22,163 --> 00:26:25,431
And I know there's a crowd.
There's a bunch of people there.
562
00:26:27,435 --> 00:26:29,235
I don't know what the [bleep]
was going on.
563
00:26:29,237 --> 00:26:31,671
And I'm hearing
men and women screaming.
564
00:26:31,673 --> 00:26:34,541
There's panic and chaos,
and it's pitch-black,
565
00:26:34,543 --> 00:26:36,209
and then it feels like
I'm falling.
566
00:26:36,211 --> 00:26:38,444
I'm falling in the darkness.
567
00:26:47,122 --> 00:26:49,422
I saw several disturbing things
on my walk,
568
00:26:49,424 --> 00:26:52,725
but the evil kid who can
transform into a creepy old man
569
00:26:52,727 --> 00:26:55,261
had me the most concerned.
570
00:26:55,263 --> 00:26:56,596
I was in a bedroom.
571
00:26:56,598 --> 00:26:58,965
There was a person
in the bed.
572
00:26:58,967 --> 00:27:01,301
This elderly male,
573
00:27:01,303 --> 00:27:05,705
he's attempting to suck
the life force
574
00:27:05,707 --> 00:27:09,208
out of the person's mouth
and into his hands.
575
00:27:12,847 --> 00:27:15,281
Amy, is this what you saw?
576
00:27:15,283 --> 00:27:17,550
Yes, that's what I saw.
577
00:27:35,871 --> 00:27:38,472
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
578
00:27:38,474 --> 00:27:41,108
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
579
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:43,810
and our clients
for the first time.
580
00:27:43,812 --> 00:27:46,146
So, Amy, I'd like you to meet
Scott and Wendy.
581
00:27:46,148 --> 00:27:47,881
They moved into this house
about a year and a half ago
582
00:27:47,883 --> 00:27:50,017
with their three kids.
583
00:27:50,019 --> 00:27:52,586
Got a photo of the kids here.
584
00:27:52,588 --> 00:27:54,121
This is Donovan, who's 15,
585
00:27:54,123 --> 00:27:57,057
Kayden, who's 12,
and Lacey, who's 10.
586
00:27:57,059 --> 00:28:00,227
For 6 months, they were
fine here. Everything was good.
587
00:28:00,229 --> 00:28:01,461
But then the next door
neighbor's house
588
00:28:01,463 --> 00:28:03,330
burnt down to the ground.
589
00:28:03,332 --> 00:28:05,465
And since that day,
activity has gotten violent
590
00:28:05,467 --> 00:28:06,933
and out of control.
591
00:28:06,935 --> 00:28:09,036
Wendy and the kids
are being attacked,
592
00:28:09,038 --> 00:28:12,072
and Scott thinks that nobody
in the house is safe.
593
00:28:12,074 --> 00:28:14,107
So now that Amy knows
a little bit about you guys,
594
00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:15,375
I'm going to ask her to
describe her walk.
595
00:28:19,548 --> 00:28:21,982
When I first got here,
596
00:28:21,984 --> 00:28:25,018
I heard a woman.
597
00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:28,922
She was screaming
and freaking out.
598
00:28:28,924 --> 00:28:31,458
And then I heard a male,
599
00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:34,661
and he told her
to "Shut up, bitch."
600
00:28:34,663 --> 00:28:37,731
And then I heard, like,
this mushy,
601
00:28:37,733 --> 00:28:41,101
uh, cracking, wet sound.
602
00:28:41,103 --> 00:28:46,173
I knew that he had,
you know, killed her.
603
00:28:46,175 --> 00:28:48,208
That's not a lot
to go on, but you did say
604
00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:50,944
that the man you
thought killed the woman.
605
00:28:50,946 --> 00:28:52,279
Correct.
606
00:28:52,281 --> 00:28:55,615
Back in 1897, there was
a brutal, brutal triple homicide
607
00:28:55,617 --> 00:28:56,950
just down the road from here.
608
00:28:56,952 --> 00:28:59,252
The victims were
a woman named Chloe Pfost
609
00:28:59,254 --> 00:29:00,954
and two of her kids.
610
00:29:00,956 --> 00:29:05,058
- This is Chloe, the mother.
- Huh.
611
00:29:05,060 --> 00:29:07,594
And get this --
at the time of the murders,
612
00:29:07,596 --> 00:29:10,230
one of her sons
lived right on your land.
613
00:29:10,232 --> 00:29:13,567
Now six years earlier,
Chloe took in
614
00:29:13,569 --> 00:29:17,270
a 16-year-old orphan
named John Morgan.
615
00:29:17,272 --> 00:29:19,306
This is John Morgan.
616
00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:25,645
Now, the expert I talked to said
Chloe treated Morgan like a son.
617
00:29:25,647 --> 00:29:28,014
Now Morgan grew up
and moved off the property.
618
00:29:28,016 --> 00:29:29,816
In November of 1897,
619
00:29:29,818 --> 00:29:32,986
Chloe sold a high-priced horse
for some money.
620
00:29:32,988 --> 00:29:34,554
It seems like John Morgan
heard about it,
621
00:29:34,556 --> 00:29:36,957
and he came here that night
hoping to rob the family.
622
00:29:36,959 --> 00:29:39,926
He didn't get away
with any money,
623
00:29:39,928 --> 00:29:42,662
but he did kill three of
the four people in the house.
624
00:29:42,664 --> 00:29:46,032
Now, he started out
by killing Chloe's son, James,
625
00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:47,634
with a pickax and a rock.
626
00:29:47,636 --> 00:29:49,970
Then he went inside
and attacked the two sisters.
627
00:29:49,972 --> 00:29:51,571
Matilda died right away,
628
00:29:51,573 --> 00:29:55,142
and he thought he killed Alice,
but she actually escaped.
629
00:29:55,144 --> 00:29:56,743
The expert I talked to said
630
00:29:56,745 --> 00:29:58,478
that Chloe was the last
to get killed.
631
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,880
He basically grabbed her,
632
00:29:59,882 --> 00:30:01,948
hit her in the head
with a hatchet,
633
00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:05,252
and left her for dead in a pool
of blood on the front porch.
634
00:30:05,254 --> 00:30:08,054
He was convicted of the murders
and sentenced to hang.
635
00:30:08,056 --> 00:30:11,591
They built the gallows
1,700 feet from here.
636
00:30:11,593 --> 00:30:14,928
Over 10,000 people showed up
to watch the guy hang.
637
00:30:14,930 --> 00:30:18,165
Just after noon,
on December 16, 1897,
638
00:30:18,167 --> 00:30:22,068
trap door opened
and this guy fell to his death.
639
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:24,438
You think this homicide
is what you were picking up on?
640
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,872
Yeah.
641
00:30:25,874 --> 00:30:30,076
She looks very, very much like
the woman who was screaming.
642
00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:35,415
Okay, so what else
did you see on your walk?
643
00:30:35,417 --> 00:30:38,418
When I went in the back bedroom,
by the bathroom...
644
00:30:38,420 --> 00:30:40,487
Okay, that's where
Donovan sleeps.
645
00:30:40,489 --> 00:30:42,456
I saw a young, living male,
646
00:30:42,458 --> 00:30:45,258
and I got that
he's an organic witch.
647
00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:49,129
Now what that means
is that typically
648
00:30:49,131 --> 00:30:54,067
it's an individual
who has abilities.
649
00:30:54,069 --> 00:30:58,438
So he unconsciously is able
to protect himself.
650
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,308
He puts up a protective wall
in his room.
651
00:31:01,310 --> 00:31:04,444
The only problem is,
is that he is young,
652
00:31:04,446 --> 00:31:07,080
and even if
you protect yourself,
653
00:31:07,082 --> 00:31:08,849
you're not bulletproof.
654
00:31:08,851 --> 00:31:13,220
You are still open
to random attacks.
655
00:31:13,222 --> 00:31:14,688
Probably seems like a good time
to tell you
656
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:17,557
that Donovan is one of the main
reasons we were called in.
657
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,125
- Okay.
- You know, Wendy,
658
00:31:19,127 --> 00:31:21,928
why don't you tell Amy
a little bit about Donovan?
659
00:31:21,930 --> 00:31:25,232
He all of a sudden
just started acting funny.
660
00:31:25,234 --> 00:31:27,200
He's came into the kitchen
661
00:31:27,202 --> 00:31:29,870
and his pupils was
fully dilated.
662
00:31:29,872 --> 00:31:32,239
He turned around,
walked back to his room,
663
00:31:32,241 --> 00:31:35,208
and just started crying
and says, "Make it stop."
664
00:31:35,210 --> 00:31:38,445
Now, Scott, tell Amy how he
doesn't want to leave that room.
665
00:31:38,447 --> 00:31:43,049
We go out to leave or anything,
it irritates him.
666
00:31:43,051 --> 00:31:44,818
I mean, it doesn't matter
where we go.
667
00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:46,486
He's gotta come back.
668
00:31:46,488 --> 00:31:49,589
And once he's in that room,
he says he feels more secure.
669
00:31:49,591 --> 00:31:52,692
Has he had any rage episodes
or anything like that?
670
00:31:52,694 --> 00:31:53,894
He could be fine.
671
00:31:53,896 --> 00:31:55,395
The next thing you know,
he'll snap at you.
672
00:31:55,397 --> 00:31:57,564
Like, jump at you.
673
00:31:57,566 --> 00:31:59,266
And that's not my son.
674
00:31:59,268 --> 00:32:02,369
None of that is unusual
for somebody with abilities.
675
00:32:05,507 --> 00:32:07,641
Well it runs through
your family.
676
00:32:10,412 --> 00:32:11,845
Okay, so what else?
677
00:32:11,847 --> 00:32:14,347
I was in that room.
678
00:32:14,349 --> 00:32:15,782
Now that's Lacey's room.
679
00:32:15,784 --> 00:32:17,684
I met this individual,
680
00:32:17,686 --> 00:32:21,888
and he was walking towards me
and he was a priest.
681
00:32:21,890 --> 00:32:28,361
Then he turned into, like,
a stereotypical Satan character.
682
00:32:28,363 --> 00:32:32,532
I figured out, finally,
that he's some kind of a demon.
683
00:32:32,534 --> 00:32:34,734
He is extremely active
in that room
684
00:32:34,736 --> 00:32:37,370
because he likes
to torture her.
685
00:32:37,372 --> 00:32:39,306
He is always watching.
686
00:32:39,308 --> 00:32:43,343
So I think the living
would obviously feel watched.
687
00:32:43,345 --> 00:32:44,644
He gives her nightmares.
688
00:32:44,646 --> 00:32:47,314
I saw lots of screaming
with her.
689
00:32:47,316 --> 00:32:50,016
One of the things
I saw him doing
690
00:32:50,018 --> 00:32:53,687
was trying to smack her
on the back of the head.
691
00:32:53,689 --> 00:32:55,589
Well, there's a lot going on
in Lacey's room
692
00:32:55,591 --> 00:32:56,856
that we need to talk about.
693
00:32:56,858 --> 00:32:58,558
Scott, why don't you tell her
how Lacey feels
694
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,126
like she has a presence
in her room?
695
00:33:00,128 --> 00:33:03,063
She keeps saying somebody
is watching her.
696
00:33:03,065 --> 00:33:05,165
Like they don't
want her in there.
697
00:33:05,167 --> 00:33:06,466
Now, she mentioned nightmares.
698
00:33:06,468 --> 00:33:09,936
Lacey's had
several nightmares, yeah.
699
00:33:09,938 --> 00:33:12,272
I've caught her crying
in her sleep.
700
00:33:12,274 --> 00:33:14,074
And she sit up in the middle
of the bed
701
00:33:14,076 --> 00:33:15,275
in the middle of the night
702
00:33:15,277 --> 00:33:17,077
and she just starts screaming
in her sleep.
703
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:19,546
Wendy, you've had
nightmares too, right?
704
00:33:19,548 --> 00:33:22,616
I was deep sleep one night.
705
00:33:22,618 --> 00:33:26,219
Get woke up to a man
screaming in my ear.
706
00:33:26,221 --> 00:33:27,454
He says, "Get up!
707
00:33:27,456 --> 00:33:29,089
What the [bleep]
are you doing sleeping?"
708
00:33:29,091 --> 00:33:30,790
Mm-hmm.
709
00:33:30,792 --> 00:33:33,960
The other thing that
got me worried was
710
00:33:33,962 --> 00:33:35,328
the scratches.
711
00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:36,896
- Yes.
- Tell Amy what happened.
712
00:33:36,898 --> 00:33:38,798
She was taking a shower.
713
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,870
She came out and she says
she felt a burning on her...
714
00:33:43,872 --> 00:33:46,106
across her chest here.
715
00:33:46,108 --> 00:33:49,342
And you pulled her shirt
and there was scratches, like,
716
00:33:49,344 --> 00:33:52,746
from here that just went up.
717
00:33:52,748 --> 00:33:54,314
I actually have a photo of it.
718
00:33:54,316 --> 00:33:57,417
- Mm.
- This is the scratches.
719
00:33:57,419 --> 00:33:59,019
Okay.
720
00:33:59,021 --> 00:34:01,821
Okay, so now all the experiences
that she's having,
721
00:34:01,823 --> 00:34:04,190
or had in that bedroom,
is from this devil guy.
722
00:34:04,192 --> 00:34:07,160
Yes.
He likes to torture her.
723
00:34:10,198 --> 00:34:14,701
The next dead person I met
has me very concerned.
724
00:34:14,703 --> 00:34:18,471
There's an elderly man
and, initially when I met him,
725
00:34:18,473 --> 00:34:22,809
he presented as a child
about 5 years of age.
726
00:34:22,811 --> 00:34:26,946
And he is a very substantial
problem here.
727
00:34:26,948 --> 00:34:30,417
He flips back and forth between
being this 5-year-old child,
728
00:34:30,419 --> 00:34:33,920
which apparently he was
that age in the '20s,
729
00:34:33,922 --> 00:34:37,290
and turning into
a very elderly male
730
00:34:37,292 --> 00:34:42,862
who, I think,
died in the 1980s or the 1990s.
731
00:34:42,864 --> 00:34:46,099
And it was indicated to me
that he had lived here
732
00:34:46,101 --> 00:34:48,001
at some point in time.
733
00:34:48,003 --> 00:34:50,170
That's really not a lot
to go on either.
734
00:34:50,172 --> 00:34:52,906
One guy came up in my research
that stands out.
735
00:34:52,908 --> 00:34:54,107
His name was Robert Lucas,
736
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:55,709
and he bought this house
in 1987.
737
00:34:55,711 --> 00:34:58,211
I have a photo of him here.
738
00:35:00,982 --> 00:35:04,017
Now you said the guy you saw
was 5 years old in the 1920s?
739
00:35:04,019 --> 00:35:06,853
Lucas here was born in 1927,
so he would have been 5
740
00:35:06,855 --> 00:35:09,522
in the early '30s,
which is pretty close.
741
00:35:09,524 --> 00:35:12,492
Yeah.
Lucas here went through a messy divorce
742
00:35:12,494 --> 00:35:14,861
5 years after moving in here.
743
00:35:14,863 --> 00:35:16,896
After that, he fell into
a deep depression.
744
00:35:16,898 --> 00:35:18,698
Now you said the guy died
in the '80s or '90s.
745
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:20,667
Well, get this.
746
00:35:20,669 --> 00:35:24,437
On January 5, 1993,
he laid down in his bed,
747
00:35:24,439 --> 00:35:27,507
put a pistol to his chest,
and shot himself.
748
00:35:27,509 --> 00:35:29,642
I've got his death certificate
right here.
749
00:35:31,747 --> 00:35:33,680
And he died
in this house?
750
00:35:33,682 --> 00:35:36,516
Right in their bedroom.
751
00:35:36,518 --> 00:35:39,853
Now you think Lucas
is the guy you probably saw?
752
00:35:39,855 --> 00:35:41,087
Yes, I do.
753
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:44,791
One of the things
that really creeped me out
754
00:35:44,793 --> 00:35:47,827
was his movements along
the hallway.
755
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:53,166
I would assume that, at times,
you guys would hear this.
756
00:35:53,168 --> 00:35:54,834
I've gotten woken up
in the middle of the night
757
00:35:54,836 --> 00:35:56,269
with knocking on the walls.
758
00:35:56,271 --> 00:35:57,804
Oh, Scott, you've heard
it too, right?
759
00:35:57,806 --> 00:35:59,572
Yes, I have.
I've heard knocking.
760
00:35:59,574 --> 00:36:01,741
When Scott and Wendy told me
they were hearing these things,
761
00:36:01,743 --> 00:36:03,243
I thought it sounded like
762
00:36:03,245 --> 00:36:05,678
they could have rusty pipes
or bad plumbing.
763
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,781
So I had a plumber come in
to check the place out.
764
00:36:07,783 --> 00:36:08,982
Mm-hmm.
765
00:36:08,984 --> 00:36:11,217
And he said no way
it could be that.
766
00:36:11,219 --> 00:36:12,652
This guy do anything else?
767
00:36:12,654 --> 00:36:17,357
I thought maybe you would
see him because he's solid.
768
00:36:17,359 --> 00:36:20,093
He stretches
and turns his face,
769
00:36:20,095 --> 00:36:22,929
where he looks not human,
really.
770
00:36:22,931 --> 00:36:24,998
He has a hunch.
771
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,334
It's extremely disturbing.
772
00:36:28,336 --> 00:36:31,671
Now he and Lacey
have both seen an old man.
773
00:36:31,673 --> 00:36:33,840
He's got, like, peppered hair.
774
00:36:33,842 --> 00:36:36,910
His nose is wider and his ears,
775
00:36:36,912 --> 00:36:39,179
they're kind of sticking out
a little bit.
776
00:36:39,181 --> 00:36:43,483
The thing that he causes
living people to experience
777
00:36:43,485 --> 00:36:45,118
is trouble breathing,
778
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,487
feeling like
they're being choked,
779
00:36:47,489 --> 00:36:50,623
and he does this because he's
a psychic vampire.
780
00:36:50,625 --> 00:36:54,294
People who are psychic vampires
will often feed off
781
00:36:54,296 --> 00:36:57,363
of the living energy
of people around them.
782
00:36:57,365 --> 00:36:59,966
Okay?
And unfortunately it makes
783
00:36:59,968 --> 00:37:02,769
everybody around them
kind of sick.
784
00:37:02,771 --> 00:37:04,237
Wendy, do me a favor.
785
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,739
Explain to Amy exactly how
you feel when you're drained.
786
00:37:06,741 --> 00:37:08,675
It's like I've never slept.
787
00:37:11,847 --> 00:37:13,847
Sick to my stomach
constantly.
788
00:37:13,849 --> 00:37:15,114
I wake up in the middle
of the night
789
00:37:15,116 --> 00:37:16,149
and it's hard to breathe.
790
00:37:16,151 --> 00:37:19,452
I just don't feel
like myself at all.
791
00:37:19,454 --> 00:37:21,855
Now is this something that
this old guy could be doing?
792
00:37:21,857 --> 00:37:25,191
Yes. Absolutely, yes.
793
00:37:25,193 --> 00:37:28,528
So the person who is
getting attacked the most
794
00:37:28,530 --> 00:37:30,296
by this elderly man
795
00:37:30,298 --> 00:37:33,166
is the person
in that back bedroom.
796
00:37:33,168 --> 00:37:35,535
That's Wendy
and Scott's bedroom.
797
00:37:35,537 --> 00:37:37,470
I had a sketch done
of what I saw
798
00:37:37,472 --> 00:37:40,707
and what he was doing
in that room.
799
00:37:42,844 --> 00:37:44,544
Oh,.
800
00:37:47,282 --> 00:37:50,283
No!
801
00:37:50,285 --> 00:37:51,751
- Wow.
- Mm-hmm.
802
00:37:53,388 --> 00:37:56,522
This may explain a lot
why you're not feeling well.
803
00:37:56,524 --> 00:37:58,391
Oh, my god.
804
00:38:04,799 --> 00:38:07,567
I would like to put my hands
around it.
805
00:38:07,569 --> 00:38:09,369
Just can't.
806
00:38:09,371 --> 00:38:10,637
I was concerned over
the kids.
807
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:14,407
I didn't think that
was coming after me.
808
00:38:14,409 --> 00:38:15,808
That's a nightmare.
809
00:38:15,810 --> 00:38:18,311
Worse than a nightmare.
810
00:38:18,313 --> 00:38:20,580
Any reason why
he's picking on Wendy?
811
00:38:20,582 --> 00:38:23,549
I mean, I know
that you have abilities.
812
00:38:23,551 --> 00:38:27,687
It's easier for these things
to latch onto sensitives.
813
00:38:27,689 --> 00:38:34,093
My concern right now
is that Wendy would die.
814
00:38:34,095 --> 00:38:37,363
Heart attack, sudden death.
815
00:38:54,758 --> 00:38:57,926
Well, Scott, Wendy,
you were worried
816
00:38:57,928 --> 00:38:59,528
it wasn't safe here
for you and the kids.
817
00:38:59,530 --> 00:39:01,563
And you were 100% right.
818
00:39:01,565 --> 00:39:04,333
But we haven't answered
the big question.
819
00:39:04,335 --> 00:39:05,634
Is it fixable?
820
00:39:05,636 --> 00:39:07,869
Can you stay here safely,
or do you have to pack up
821
00:39:07,871 --> 00:39:10,105
and get the hell out of here
before it's too late?
822
00:39:10,107 --> 00:39:12,541
For that answer, I'm going
to turn it over to Amy.
823
00:39:16,013 --> 00:39:17,846
There's a lot you have
to do,
824
00:39:17,848 --> 00:39:20,716
so I first want to deal
with the demon.
825
00:39:20,718 --> 00:39:22,617
There is a twofold process.
826
00:39:22,619 --> 00:39:27,789
The first thing is,
go and find a Catholic priest.
827
00:39:27,791 --> 00:39:29,791
What you need this
Catholic priest to do
828
00:39:29,793 --> 00:39:31,460
is to come to your home
829
00:39:31,462 --> 00:39:36,298
when you guys are not here
and do a home blessing.
830
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:38,800
The second thing
is that this priest
831
00:39:38,802 --> 00:39:41,470
has to leave blessed crosses
832
00:39:41,472 --> 00:39:43,939
in every single room
of this home.
833
00:39:43,941 --> 00:39:47,042
The blessing is going
to get rid of that demon,
834
00:39:47,044 --> 00:39:49,344
and the crosses
are going to prevent
835
00:39:49,346 --> 00:39:52,314
any of those others
from coming in here.
836
00:39:52,316 --> 00:39:54,616
So the second thing
is the old man.
837
00:39:54,618 --> 00:39:59,921
You have an elderly dead lunatic
that needs to be removed.
838
00:39:59,923 --> 00:40:03,992
Get a very physically
intimidating male
839
00:40:03,994 --> 00:40:05,460
who's a medium
840
00:40:05,462 --> 00:40:09,231
who is also
in very good health.
841
00:40:09,233 --> 00:40:12,434
This guy is going to
come here
842
00:40:12,436 --> 00:40:16,304
to engage and remove
this elderly man.
843
00:40:16,306 --> 00:40:18,039
Now how soon will she start
feeling better
844
00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:19,708
once Lucas is gone?
845
00:40:19,710 --> 00:40:25,247
Physically, you'll begin
to feel 100% better.
846
00:40:26,917 --> 00:40:30,652
As for Donovan, typically
when they're teenagers,
847
00:40:30,654 --> 00:40:33,321
all of their abilities,
like, really become heightened.
848
00:40:33,323 --> 00:40:35,924
If you go out, say,
to a busy place,
849
00:40:35,926 --> 00:40:39,494
it's going to literally
overwhelm your senses.
850
00:40:39,496 --> 00:40:42,397
That's what your son
is experiencing.
851
00:40:42,399 --> 00:40:43,865
That made me understand
a lot
852
00:40:43,867 --> 00:40:46,435
why Donovan stays
in his room now.
853
00:40:46,437 --> 00:40:48,804
He might always kind
of be like that,
854
00:40:48,806 --> 00:40:53,508
but I think he should go
and see a clinical psychologist
855
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:55,811
or a psychiatrist
856
00:40:55,813 --> 00:40:59,714
to help him work through all of
his thoughts and emotions.
857
00:40:59,716 --> 00:41:01,216
Yes, definitely.
858
00:41:01,218 --> 00:41:04,119
So to be clear, the house
burning down next door
859
00:41:04,121 --> 00:41:06,388
had nothing to do with what
these guys are going through?
860
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:08,123
No.
861
00:41:08,125 --> 00:41:09,691
The question
I'll always ask is,
862
00:41:09,693 --> 00:41:10,826
are you going to take
her advice?
863
00:41:10,828 --> 00:41:12,394
Yes. I want it gone.
864
00:41:12,396 --> 00:41:14,596
Hearing this and knowing
this could be done,
865
00:41:14,598 --> 00:41:17,699
it's going to help take care
of the problem, I'm glad,
866
00:41:17,701 --> 00:41:20,469
'cause I can't lose
my wife or my kids.
867
00:41:20,471 --> 00:41:21,837
I can't do that.
868
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:24,673
Listen, I don't care if I have
to do a million things.
869
00:41:24,675 --> 00:41:26,842
You know, you gave us
what we wanted.
870
00:41:26,844 --> 00:41:29,077
We can have our life back.
871
00:41:32,149 --> 00:41:34,783
I really hope
Wendy and Scott follow my advice
872
00:41:34,785 --> 00:41:37,652
and contact a priest
and a medium to remove the dead
873
00:41:37,654 --> 00:41:40,288
and the demon terrorizing
their family.
874
00:41:40,290 --> 00:41:42,924
Once they're gone,
they'll all be safe,
875
00:41:42,926 --> 00:41:46,328
and this family will find
the peace it's been looking for.
876
00:41:46,378 --> 00:41:50,928
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