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Everyone is in jeopardy.

She's, definitely, a serial killer.

If somebody grabbed me in bed, I'd be running out the door.

They wouldn't mind if there was never any living people here.

That was the turning point. I wasn't a skeptic any more.

She's completely insane.

Everybody here is in danger.

This seems like a possession.

My name is Amy Allan.

Everything was built on blood.

I see dead people.

Very disturbing.

I speak to dead people.

There's victims around him. Ow.

And they speak to me.

Her voice sounds like death.

But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.

The living don't stand a chance here.

I rely on my partner.

I'm Steve Di Schiavi.

I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.

You could have got killed.

And I know every person, every house has secrets.

This is coming straight from Hell.

It's my job to reveal them.

Your mom was murdered right here in this room?

Yes, she was.

But Steve and I never speak...

We never communicate during an investigation.

...until the very end...

This was just the beginning.

...when we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...

Oh, my God.

...or time to get out.

They're very bad.

This house is going to kill me.

I'm in the small town of Victor, New York,

about a half hour south of Rochester.

I got a call from a woman who's desperate

to keep her family safe.

She and her husband are ex-military,

but they have no idea

how to fight whatever's in their house.

She told me she's out of options,

and if Amy and I can't help,

death isn't far behind.

Before Amy arrives, I clear the area

of any leading information --

dream catchers, personal items,

and family photos can influence her findings.

So it's important that I remove them all.

When I'm done, the location will be ready for tonight's walk.

Oh, boy.

This isn't good.

There's dead people in here.

They were like, "Who the [bleep] is this [bleep]?"

There was a battle.

A battle was had.

They claimed this space.

It is not good.

So, Lisa, when we spoke on the phone,

you sounded like you were at the end of your rope.

But what exactly is happening here?

The activity's at a level --

It's just out of control at this point.

One of the main reasons I took the case

is 'cause there's kids involved.

Who exactly lives in the house?

Well, there's mine, his, and ours, we call it

Our crazy eight. Wow.

Now, are all six kids having experiences?

Oh, yeah.

Did you guys all move in together?

No, it was me and my ex-husband and our three children.

We were here about a year and a half,

and then he and I separated and started the divorce.

When we moved in, his personality

was slowly escalating from bad to worse,

like all-out fits of rage, zero patience,

daily attack is what it felt like.

And this was not what you dealt with

before you moved in the house.

No, not like this.

So, Lisa, not to pick on you,

but why would you stay in a house

that you think might have caused your divorce?

My family's been here since as long as I can remember.

So, this house is not just a house to you.

It's memories.

Yeah.

Did you have experiences in this house

when you were younger?

Yeah.

The biggest one I can remember, just walking up the staircase,

and it was like you'd scramble to get upstairs

like somebody's right behind you trying to get you.

So, Lisa, if you can, just give me an idea

what you guys are going through.

You smell things.

There's been a number of apparition,

shadow figures, started to get physical.

Have you done anything to try to combat what's here?

Brought in a pagan high priestess

to do a cleansing ritual.

Did it work?

Got better for a little while before it would kind of

come back again and escalate from there.

You think what's here is dangerous?

Absolutely,

and what's already happened to me

I don't want happening to the kids.

How you holding up?

Not very well.

It's hard on everybody.

It's hard to watch them be put through it.

You know, if it were just me, it'd be one thing.

So what are you hoping we can do for you?

Given what we've done hasn't worked,

if there's any other way to stop the activity,

eliminate the fear,

you know, make it a home again.

The dead feel like the living are fighting with them.

They're being mean to them, and they're trying to hurt them.

Do they say what the living are doing to them?

Yeah, I'm trying to get that.

Living temporarily put them in blackness.

The intention from the living is not good.

I'm seeing a woman and a man.

They're a rowdy couple.

I think maybe they liked Bonnie and Clyde.

They're drinking.

They're smoking.

Woman says, "This is where we hide from the living."

Okay, Lisa.

So what kind of experiences are you having?

There's voices all over the house.

You can hear it, no matter where you are,

just like somebody's talking in another room.

Can you make out if it's a male or a female?

There's only one male voice I've heard in the bedroom,

and you wake up to somebody yelling,

"Hey," real loud.

What else?

You get an odd fragrance from time to time,

and I say odd because

they're nothing that would pertain to us.

So describe the smells to me.

There's cologne,

tobacco smoke of some kind.

Okay. So, where do you smell them?

The cologne's a little bit of everywhere.

The smoke is only upstairs.

Your husband smoke?

Nobody smokes.

You have a couple up here who is partying all the time

and, basically, creating havoc for the living.

The dead couple, they smoke all the time.

The living would smell it, taste it, breathe it in,

and they would hear this couple,

the talking and the laughing,

and they're hearing music.

The couple gets wasted, and then they're, like,

banging into the wall.

I think that this would make the living anxious.

I feel like they did bad things.

They want to do bad things.

It's not good.

What's going on here?

You'll feel shoves in the side of the bed,

like somebody fell into it

or pushed on it real hard, you know.

I know you guys have a few dogs.

You sure it's not them?

Definitely not.

Okay. Anything else?

I've had my foot grabbed laying here in bed.

Feel like a human hand?

Yeah.

It could be a smaller man, if it is a man,

or a good, strong woman, if it is a woman.

Somebody grabbed me in bed, I'd be running out the door.

What else is going on?

Oh, it just seems like ever since we moved here,

my health, in general, has just gotten worse.

I go through every single day with some level of pain.

It's taking whatever I have left of me.

And then I'm not even around to protect the kids.

So, Lisa, from what you told me, you're a wife.

You're a mom.

You're a step-mom being frightened.

You got a lot on your shoulders.

Well, I'd like to think that as a soldier,

you're taught to stand and fight.

You don't retreat. You don't back down.

You don't leave anybody behind.

A little different, we're not on the battlefield.

Different battlefield.

Do you feel like you're doing this all on your own?

Sometimes, yeah, a lot of the time.

It breaks my heart to see you going through this,

being upset by it.

Yeah.

Is this dead couple aware of the living?

Yes.

They're very aware, and they know their environment,

and living people are in the bed

and flopping into the bed.

Do they have any intent toward the living.

They wouldn't mind if there was

never any living people here to get in their way.

I don't know how the people get any [bleep] sleep here.

You know, imagine living with two

raging alcoholics/party people.

The living are probably feeling sick.

This dead guy,

he can get physical with the living.

They would feel like they were getting hit.

Any idea why he's doing that?

He's retaliating against them

for banishing them to the darkness.

So, Brad, I was talking to Lisa.

She told me some really strange stuff

that's going on in this house.

Did she even tell you this place was haunted

before you moved in?

She touched a little on it.

She explained some of the interactions

the children have had.

When you heard that, what did you think?

That they were just stories like everything else.

So, now that you've been here a while,

you still a skeptic? No.

My mind has definitely changed on that.

What were the experiences that changed your mind?

I feel like I'm just being watched

ever since I've come to the property.

Where are you feeling watched?

Everywhere.

It's the whole house, even outside.

Okay, anything else?

One night, the wife and I were laying in bed,

and we saw this dark shadow,

and it was hovering over top of us.

We were frozen --

couldn't move, couldn't speak,

felt like we couldn't breathe.

Okay, so you both were seeing this?

Yes, and it was just all dark.

That was the turning point. I wasn't a skeptic any more.

You have six kids here.

You got to be worried about them.

Yeah. Feel helpless.

If a guy came into the house, I could handle it hands on.

What I can't see is mind wrecking.

There's this other woman

who did live her.

I think she's a widow.

The living are very affected by this woman.

Can't, like, get away from her if you want to.

This chick is a big [bleep] problem.

They would probably perceive something hovering over them.

I'm getting that she tried to kill someone here.

So, Kortney, I was talking to Mom

and stuff that's going on here.

And she told me you were, what, 18?

Mm-hmm. Okay.

Now, what about your own experiences?

Have you had any?

A couple, yeah.

I saw an apparition of a small black creature.

Okay. Describe it to me.

Well, it was very black and kind of bony.

You could see that it was very skinny

and about 4-feet tall

and, like, it drew a fist back like it was going to hit me.

Okay. Anything else?

I was sleeping one night, and something grabbed my foot.

Okay.

It was just kind of, like, a force being dragged backwards.

On both feet or just one?

Just one. Okay.

Did you have any marks on your feet or anything

like that, nothing around the ankles?

No.

Now, do you think your younger siblings are in danger here?

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

This dead lady who lived here, she's evil.

She's mad.

She was on my shoulders.

This is something she likes to do,

is stand behind people or crawl up on their back

and then push down on their shoulders.

She makes people feel extreme stress.

She wants everybody, living and dead,

out of this [bleep] house.

She's a problem.

I started talking to the boys

to see what experiences they've had.

When I was playing games, I heard, like,

footsteps come up behind me.

But when I would, like, look behind me,

there would just be nothing there.

And everyone had a story to tell.

It was maybe 3:30 in the morning.

It felt like somebody had placed their hand on my left shoulder.

It's really just -- I feel a presence.

But it's what the little ones had to tell me

that really broke my heart.

Dad says a lot of the stuff that's going on here

is really scaring you guys.

That true? Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Scariest thing I saw in the house was

the door slam shut,

and I didn't see anybody.

The scariest thing I saw in the house was

the little boy who walked up the stairs.

Was he about your age,

or your brother's age, do you know?

He was about...

Oh, real tiny.

Toddler.

Oh, a toddler.

Are you guys afraid to be here?

Yeah.

All right.

So this woman, the widow, she comes in here.

I don't think she likes anyone,

in particular, under the age of 18.

So that's a problem.

Yeah, she likes to [bleep] hurt people's necks.

She's showing me, like, doing stuff to their bones

and their skulls,

and she's very into it.

Feel like doing [bleep] to their brains.

What is she doing to their brains?

She's exploring them.

The living might have, like, memory lapses, headaches.

It's almost like, while she's doing it,

they're having some kind of seizures.

Do you know why she's doing that?

Because she's completely insane,

and she can do whatever she wants now.

So, the first thing I did was make my usual calls --

local law enforcement, historians, et cetera.

Turns out the guy who built Lisa's house

killed himself by jumping in front of a train.

I'm heading over to meet with an author

who says what happened to his widow afterwards

is even more of a tragedy.

So what can you tell me about this guy

that jumped in front of the train?

George Bement is his name, and he was a native of Victor,

and he married a spinster named Mary Brown in 1889.

How did they come onto the property?

The next year, his mom passes and left him the land,

and then he and Mary built this big house

that your client came to own.

Take me to the day he gets killed.

What happened?

Well, it was 22nd of April, 1899,

and he came to the train crossing.

For some reason, the gate was down,

but he went around it,

and he stepped in front of a moving locomotive

going 40 miles an hour.

So this guy's body must have been a mess.

Yeah, it was thrown across the street.

1,700 feet from his home, he died instantly.

Was there any information out there that said

he might have been down and out and depressed or anything?

No, I don't think he was down and out

because he left his wife an inheritance.

All right. So George is dead.

Now, you mentioned on the phone that his widow

suffered more tragedy after he died.

What'd you mean?

Yeah. Well, Mary moved in her extended family right away.

She moved in both parents, a brother and an uncle.

Okay. So what happened?

Within the first nine years, all four of them died.

So I have the four death records for you right here.

Was there anything unusual about these deaths?

Just the frequency, I would say.

Okay. So what happens to her?

She remained in the home another 14 years

until her own death in the house in 1923.

I have a copy of Mary's death certificate here.

She was 73 years of age when she died.

All right. So what happens to the property?

In the last year of her life,

she transferred the property to her brother, Abry,

and while Abry was living there,

four more people died in the house,

and I have those death records here, as well.

So we've got the possible suicide of the original owner

and nine deaths inside the house.

I haven't seen this many bodies since I was working in homicide.

Something's really wrong.

I think this dead widow is able to influence

the living to do horrible things.

People here will be, like, out of the blue,

for no [bleep] reason, kill themselves.

So, she, actually, lived here.

And then, I got money with her.

The one thing that she showed me

is that she has been kind of damned

to walk her family's graves.

And there's four -- four people that are buried,

that specifically belong to her in this particular situation.

I am suspicious that she killed her family.

She's, definitely, a serial killer.

I've just started my investigation.

I already have nine deaths on my client's property.

It's pretty staggering,

but I need to see if there's anything else.

Searching through old records, I find William Dryer.

Turns out William's family also suffered

several unusual deaths

during the time he lived on Lisa's property.

This is one of the highest body counts

I've ever seen on a client's property.

So, I'm headed over to meet with a local genealogist

who was looking into the Dryer family for me.

So, Barb, what can you tell me about William Dryer?

Well, William Dryer was born in 1810 in Victor.

Here is a picture of the gentleman.

So what did this guy, William, do to make a living?

Oh, he did a lot of different things.

He was a miller.

He ran a hotel.

He was a master carpenter.

He was the postmaster of Victor for many years.

So what's the deal?

Does this guy get married and have a family?

Well, in 1830, he married a local girl

named Caroline Wright,

and in 1833, they had a daughter named Julia.

Shortly after this, in 1834,

he bought a large parcel of land.

Okay, and that land he bought is where my clients live now?

Yes.

Shortly after the purchase of this property,

their daughter, Julia, passes away

at about the age of a year.

Any idea why?

Well, this is pre-death records.

So we don't really know. Okay.

So, now William loses his baby daughter.

What happens with William and Caroline at this point?

Not long after Julia's death, Caroline started to become sick.

And she passed away in 1837

from one of the long forms of consumption.

So, she had TB.

Right.

And she was only 22 when she passed away.

This is her obituary.

So, what happens to William?

He married another local girl named Phoebe Ball in 1839.

So did they have kids?

Yes, they had two.

They had a son, and then they had another daughter.

Unfortunately, she passed away when she was 16 years old.

We know how she died?

No, because we don't have the death record.

All right. So, William loses his first wife,

a child with her and then another child

with another wife. Right.

So, what happens with William?

He lived to be 80 years old.

And there is a copy of his obituary.

He died in 1891.

That's at least a dozen deaths on my client's property.

I've rarely seen anything like it.

I'm seeing these older dead people.

I feel like they died from natural causes.

They lived here, it seems like,

for a bit.

The older dead man I'm seeing is very bitter.

He was a laborer and, you know,

like, building, construction,

railroad, something like that.

She might have been a school teacher.

So something happened where her kid got sick.

I'm seeing kid on the table, and they had to do surgery.

But then the kid died.

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So, another thing caught my eye in research.

Back in the 1900s, there was a brutal double homicide

that happened real close to Lisa's property.

So I called the local sheriff. He knew all about the case.

And he tells me it was the bloodiest killing

in the county's history.

Well, Sheriff Povero, you mentioned on the phone

this double homicide was pretty brutal.

What can you tell me about it?

Well, back in 1918, there was a farmer

by the name of McClellan Mosher.

And he owned a farm very near to the location

that you're investigating.

So what do we know about this guy, Mosher?

Mosher lived on the farm with his wife

and his 15-year-old daughter, Blanche.

They employed a farmhand by the name of Earl Austin

who was 32 years old.

This is a picture of Earl Austin

that appeared in the local newspaper at the time.

All right. So, I know this is our killer,

but what happened that night?

Yeah, on April 27th, 1918,

McClellan and Earl Austin had an argument

while they were working on the farm.

Austin left the farm,

but he did come back later that evening.

He waited for Mosher to go to sleep.

Austin took an axe into Mosher's bedroom,

and he bludgeoned them to death.

Does he stick around? What happened?

Mosher's daughter, Blanche, and her cousin, Wilma,

returned later in the evening

with Austin still hiding inside the house.

This is a photograph of Blanche.

This is a photograph of cousin Wilma.

Austin came into the bedroom. He struck the cousin, Wilma.

She was dazed but managed to run off,

and Austin turned to Blanche

and bludgeoned her to death in her bed.

All right. So Wilma's dazed,

and Blanche is DOA at this point.

What happens next?

Wilma was a very intelligent 19-year-old girl.

And despite being dazed, she convinced Austin

that she really didn't like her relatives,

and she convinced him that they should elope together.

She and Austin left and went to a nearby train station.

When they arrived there,

she alerted the conductor, and Austin fled.

So, she played him good.

She played him good. Okay, Sheriff.

So now he takes off. Does he ever get apprehended?

Austin, actually, is apprehended about 10 miles

from the train station.

Austin gave a full confession.

He was convicted of first-degree murder.

So, does he die in prison?

No, Austin spent the next 31 years

in a state mental hospital

until he died on November 14, 1949.

There's another guy here.

He's, like, wigging out.

He's just, like, sitting there crying

and mumbling that he didn't do it.

He did not do it.

What do you mean?

I think he killed somebody.

This was a long time ago.

So I don't know if he, like,

snuck out here or something.

He says he didn't kill her.

He says it was an accident.

He absolutely did not kill her,

and so he was saying he didn't do it,

and then I look down, and she's, obviously, dead.

During my walk, I encountered several dead people,

but two concerned me the most.

First, the crying man who kept saying

he didn't kill a woman.

He was about late 20s, early 30s,

no facial hair.

He had kind of larger eyes.

Next, I described the widow

attacking the living in the house.

She likes to strangle people.

So she likes to, literally, like,

get her hands around their neck.

And she has, like, these dark eyes.

It goes all to black, like gaping holes.

Amy, is this what you saw?

Yes, that's what I saw.

Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,

we're ready to reveal our findings to each other

and our clients for the first time.

So, Amy, I'd like you to meet Lisa and her husband, Brad.

They're both army veterans and used to combat conditions,

but nothing could have prepared them

for what they're dealing with now.

Activity in the house is out of control,

and they're afraid it's going after their kids.

This is the whole tribe right here.

Lisa called us in because she doesn't think it's safe

for the kids here.

If we can't help them out,

she thinks somebody's going to get killed.

So now that Amy knows a little bit about you guys,

I'm going to ask her to describe her walk.

When I first got here,

I was getting a lot of information.

Out in the backyard,

I saw a male,

and he was really hyper

and freaking out.

I felt like he was not directly attached

to this property

but that he had been here at some point.

He was kind of out of his mind.

He kept mumbling over and over and over again

that he didn't do it, he didn't do it.

And then I saw a woman laying at his feet.

She was dead.

I felt like he did kill this woman.

Now, the guy you saw, how old do you think he was?

I would have thought he was in his 20s.

Some of the things you're saying reminded me

of a case I came across in my research.

Back in the early 1900s,

there was a guy named McClellan Mosher,

had a farm right next door to this property.

Mosher lived there with his wife

and his 15-year-old daughter, Blanche.

Now, at the time, Mosher employed a 32-year-old farmhand

by the name of Earl Austin.

April of 1918, Mosher and Austin had a fight

while working on the farm.

Austin backed down and left.

He wind up coming back later that night.

Now, you said the guy you saw snuck out here?

Well, Austin snuck into Mosher's house

while he was sleeping.

He took an axe, and he bludgeoned him to death.

But that wasn't the end of it.

Austin waited in the house

for the 15-year-old daughter, Blanche,

and her cousin, Wilma, to come home.

I actually got a photo of both girls.

So this is the daughter, Blanche,

and then this is her cousin, Wilma.

Once the girls were in bed,

this sick bastard snuck into their rooms.

He took the axe and killed Blanche.

He went to kill Wilma next, but she lied to him

and somehow convinced him to elope

and go to a train station that night.

Now, at the train station,

Wilma rats out Earl to a conductor,

and he took off.

Cops caught up to him about a couple hours later.

Austin never claimed he killed these two people by accident,

but he did plead insanity.

So Austin got transferred to a mental hospital

and stayed there until he died in 1949.

I met with the local sheriff, and he told me this was

the most brutal homicide in this county's history.

As a matter of fact, he actually gave me

a photo of the perpetrator.

This is Earl Austin here.

Did you get a good look at him?

- Yeah. - Is this our guy?

I had a sketch done.

It's a pretty damn close description of this guy.

Wow.

Lips and the chin.

So, Amy, you think this is possible who you saw?

Yes.

Okay, so what else did you see?

Upstairs, I met a couple.

From how they were both dressed,

I would place them in the '20s or '30s.

There was something Bonnie and Clyde-ish about them.

They were extremely rebellious when they were alive,

and they are the same now in death.

I think that different ways you would experience them

would be that they are constantly partying.

So they make a lot of noise.

You would hear them talking, laughing.

They're constantly drinking and smoking.

I think that you would, actually,

might smell some of the smoke.

There's the first bedroom over the kitchen, I think.

They love it in there.

They kind of go nuts in there,

and so they're bumping into walls and the doors.

They're flopping on the bed together.

The living would experience

that kind of activity and energy

as anxiety,

and I, honestly, don't know

how anybody can get any sleep up there.

The couple can also make people sick.

The other thing I got, and this bothered me,

the male indicated that he can become physical

and that he may have punched some people.

You hit on a lot of experiences

our clients are dealing with here.

Let's take them one at a time.

Lisa, you've heard voices and conversations.

That damn laughing.

Kids' friends don't stay the night any more

because they get kept up all night

from the damn laughing.

You guys both smell cigarettes,

but no one in the house smokes, right?

Yeah, Lisa and I both have.

We brought it to each other's attention.

Something Amy talked about, you and I discussed upstairs,

the bed being shook.

It's like somebody's bumping into the bed.

Mm-hmm.

It's not just like, you know, a little knock.

It's really a jolt.

Your daughter, Kortney, and you have been grabbed

by the foot or the ankle?

Yeah, you can feel like somebody puts their hands on you,

and it's a good shake.

Could you tell if it was male or female?

It's either a weak man or strong woman.

That's interesting.

Amy, you also said they can make people sick.

Lisa, do me a favor and tell Amy what you've been going through.

Yeah. My heart'll just race.

My chest will get tight.

I went through...

I don't know, months of passing out,

and it's not uncommon to wake up with migraines.

So this is being caused by this gangster couple.

I think the majority of it is.

The migraines might be something else.

Now, why are they doing this?

They have felt like the living have tried to attack them,

and I was trying to talk to them about

how the living were doing this to them.

And they told me that

they were banished to the darkness.

Lisa, tell her about who you brought in

and what they did.

I had a coven pagan high priestess

come to do a circle ritual for cleansing,

and there was some good stern get out.

Can we assume that when she did that,

it made things worse?

Yeah, when I spoke to the dead couple,

they said it's been extremely emotionally,

you know, distressing for them.

We've seen it before where people say

they've had teams come in.

Next thing you know, everything gets worse.

You have several dead people here,

but one woman really stands out.

This is the person that

I'm the most concerned about here.

I got that she would have been here in the 1800s.

I felt that she lived here,

either in this house, or on this property.

I thought that she might have been rich

or came from a wealthy family.

I believe she was a widow

and that she suffered a lot of loss

because the initial thing she showed me were four graves,

and she kept saying that she buried four.

Initially, I felt bad because she told me,

"I am damned to walk their graves for eternity."

And then I got the impression

that she possibly made her family sick.

I think she might have poisoned them.

What you're saying made me think

of someone who actually lived her.

Back in 1889, a woman named Mary Bement

moved onto this property

after she married her husband, George.

George and Mary built this house in the early 1890s.

Nobody knows why, but George, her husband,

committed suicide in 1899

by walking in front of a freight train

right down the block from here.

You said you thought she was wealthy.

Mary, George's widow, inherited the property

as well as George's assets.

Mary immediately moved her family in --

her mother and father and her brother and her uncle.

Well, as soon as these people moved in with Mary,

they started dropping dead.

No [bleep] way.

You saw four graves.

All four of her family members died in this house.

I got a stack of obits and death certificates here.

Now, none of the death records report any poisoning,

but back in those days, unless you had an indication

for it, why would you check for it?

Mary stayed at the house by herself here for 14 more years.

She also died in the house in 1923.

After Mary passed away, the house went to her brother.

Now, her brother and his family moved into the house.

Shortly after that, four more of them died in the house.

I got their death certificates right here.

Oh, she did.

Now, you got a total of nine deaths in the house

and her husband, who killed himself, which is 10.

Is it possible Mary is the widow you saw?

Yeah.

Okay, so you're convinced that she killed

everybody in this house when she was alive.

Yes. All right.

Now, what about the other people?

She's killed everybody.

So she killed those other four while she was dead.

Yes.

She's a serial killer.

She's extremely advanced and dangerous,

and there's many,

many different ways you would experience her.

I think they would feel a presence.

I think they would feel something hovering over them.

And when she does this,

the living might feel like they're choking.

You tell the story about the thing hovering above your bed.

We were getting ready to go to bed.

I saw a shadow figure of some sort in our doorway,

and, next thing we know, it is hovering,

floating over the top of us.

We were frozen. We couldn't speak.

It felt like we couldn't breathe.

Wow.

The room in the front with the two beds

is her main, like, area.

So that's where Jayden and Mason sleep, right?

Yeah.

She was saying that she hates children,

especially if they're under the age of 18.

So she'll actually sit on the side of the bed,

and she's actually taking her finger

and pushing various parts of the brain.

She can cause headaches, memory lapses,

extreme personality swings and seizures.

Amy, Lisa moved in here with her ex,

and his personality changed a lot

while he was here as well, right?

Yeah.

Could that be the influence of this woman?

It could absolutely be her.

I had a sketch done of an example

of what she is doing.

Are you kidding me?

I don't even know what to say about that.

I'm thinking, "This thing is this close to my kid."

What's happening in my own home,

and I can't put any type of stop to it.

It's very disturbing.

How much danger do you think the kids are in?

This is really bad...

...for everyone.

If this goes unchecked, what happens?

Left unchecked, she would kill everybody.

Everybody here is in danger.

Everyone is in jeopardy.

Well, Lisa and Brad, it's probably a good thing

you called us in when you did.

Now, we know who's been attacking you people

and scaring the hell out of your kids.

But the big question is, is it safe for you to safe here,

or should you just pack up your bags

and get the hell out?

For that answer, I'm going to turn it over to Amy.

So, I want to be clear here.

You do need to vacate the house as soon as possible.

And upon doing that, you need to have,

waiting for you, a healer.

What they will do is remove all the attachments

that she has formed to all of you guys.

So you need to have those severed as quickly as possible.

The only way to remove her

is going to be via a priest,

exorcism.

Once you have all of the stuff done,

you do have to help the dead that are trapped here.

So you do need to have a medium come in

so that they can leave and be free and clear.

And then, if they did all that,

could they come back to the house?

Yeah.

But I say, you know, burn the [bleep] down.

Don't let anybody else ever [bleep] live here

or have this property because it's bad.

Yeah.

Normally, I would say to people,

you know, are you going to take Amy's advice?

Are you going to take Amy's advice?

It's almost like you got no choice here.

I don't think staying's an option.

I wouldn't put the kids at risk for anything.

I don't care how attached I am.

How about you, Brad? How do you feel about that?

I'm for moving.

This is my family you're talking about.

Got to do what we got to do.

Yeah.

Memories will be there.

You can take those with you.

But if something happens, that's just something that

I don't want riding on us.

Can actually clean up the mess and get it taken care of.

We'll stand and battle together.

I wish I had better news for Lisa and Brad,

but the widow has become so powerful

that the only way to ensure their family remains safe

is to leave and then have everyone

in the family exercised.

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