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There's death here.

They were all murdered.

There's something evil going on here.

I think somebody maybe died in this room.

It felt like somebody kicking me in the back.

You're lucky you're alive.

They are losing their minds.

This is a terrible, terrible place.

This seems like a possession.

My name is Amy Allan.

Everything was built on blood.

I see dead people.

Very disturbing.

I speak to dead people.

There's victims around him. Ow.

And they speak to me.

Her voice sounds like death.

But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.

The living don't stand a chance here.

I rely on my partner.

I'm Steve Di Schiavi.

I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.

You could have got killed.

And I know every person, every house has secrets.

This is coming straight from hell.

It's my job to reveal them.

Your mom was murdered right here in this room?

Yes, she was.

But Steve and I never speak...

We never communicate during an investigation.

...until the very end...

This was just the beginning.

...when we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...

Oh, my God.

...or time to get out.

They're very bad.

This house is going to kill me.

I'm out here in Louisville, Kentucky.

I got called in by a woman who begged me to take this case.

Now, she says her entire family's being terrorized,

and she thinks she knows who's doing it --

her dead grandmother.

She sounds real bad and says if we don't help,

someone's going to get killed.

Before Amy arrives, I clear the area

of any leading information.

Family photos, jewelry,

even dream catchers can influence her findings.

So it's important that I remove them all.

When I'm done, the location will be ready for tonight's walk.

The living here have done things in order

to reach out to the dead.

And then this is the bad thing.

Out of the dirt comes Native American women

and children, no men.

I think that they were all murdered at once.

They're extremely angry because of how they died

and how they were buried, and they're pissed.

Well, Crystal, I'm glad I'm here.

Our conversation on the phone, you sounded terrified.

Very terrified.

I'm scared for my family.

There's something going on here.

My mom, I found her in the driveway unable to move.

What happened?

She says she was pushed from somebody you can't see.

That's bizarre.

Who exactly is living in the house?

My mother, Martha.

That's Alex. He's 12.

My son Phillip. He's 17.

That's my husband, Sean.

That's my daughter, Brianna, and she's 13.

Give me a rundown on what you guys are going through.

Footsteps, voices, shadow people, apparitions.

And on top of that, our health is declining.

What do you think is causing all this?

Well, I think there's several things here.

But the bad thing, I think, here is my grandmother Neva.

So what makes you think it's her causing all this problems?

Well, she died in the house, but besides that, she was mean.

I mean, she was hateful to my mother.

She was evil.

Do you think there was some good stuff here?

I think maybe my dad's here.

These are pictures of my father, Ronnie.

This one was taken when he bought the house,

and this one was taken a year later.

This is only a year apart?

Yes.

So, Crystal, when did your father die?

He passed away in 2012.

So how old was your father when he passed?

He was 67.

Now, how was your relationship with your father?

We were really, really close, but when he got here,

his personally just changed.

He tried to commit suicide in the basement.

He took a gun and tried to shoot himself.

He missed.

What do you think happened?

I think whatever is in this house took him.

I'm sorry.

I just want it to go away.

I see two people, a dead Native American woman

who looks like a witch

and a dead relative that they're keeping here.

And I get father or grandfather, not quite sure.

Do you know who's keeping the dead relative here?

It's a living woman.

So how is she doing this?

Well, I think this person has abilities, but I don't know

if she's doing this on purpose or not.

She likes to have the dead around her.

It's like she's becoming a hoarder of the dead.

All right, Crystal, so I see this bed

and one over there, but what's with the tent?

Alex, my 12-year-old, he sleeps in the tent

because he is scared of the shadow people.

So he sleeps in there so he doesn't have to see it.

- Yes. - All right.

So is your son the only one seeing these shadow figures?

What about you?

No, everybody sees them. All throughout the house.

Now, can you describe what these shadow figures look like?

A blob. They are blacker than black.

All right. Anything else?

We hear banging sounds above us, same time every night.

Any idea what's causing them?

I believe it's Neva falling where she died.

You think the sounds you're hearing are coming

from your dead grandmother?

- Yes. - Wow.

All right. Anything else?

I was kicked in the back by something,

and then I flew down the stairs.

Every step, my head hit.

I'm lucky I didn't break my neck.

Okay. And you're sure you didn't trip.

Yeah.

So, Crystal, what are you hoping we can do

for you with this case?

My mom's being attacked. We're being attacked.

I want us to be safe

and to have the old us back before this happened.

Okay, so this is where the dead guy likes to be.

This is his area.

He doesn't want living people down here.

He's just screaming at me, "Get them --

Get them the [bleep] out!"

He does not, does not, not, not like these people.

Does he interact with the living in here in any way?

I mean, he's doing a lot of [bleep]

I think that the living can see him.

I do see -- Well, I see him shaking a living person

down here.

So basically, he saying that they're disgusting,

they're dysfunctional, they're all a mess,

and he can't live like this anymore.

He can't live with their crazy.

He goes, "If I have to kill one of them, I will."

So, Phillip, I understand you're Crystal's son, right?

- Yes, sir. - Okay.

How old are you?

17.

I understand this was your grandfather's room.

Yes, sir.

Okay. Now, were you close with him?

Yeah, he was like my best friend.

I think about him before I go to school,

when I come home from school.

Every day, I miss him.

You've had experiences, right?

Yeah. I'll be laying in bed,

and I see shadow figures walking through the hallway.

It'll go from the door, my grandma's door.

And you're sure nobody's walking around...

Yeah. ...with a light on and maybe causing a shadow?

Yeah, I'm positive.

So you're seeing these shadow people.

What else is going on?

I was laying in bed one day,

and I just felt something slap me in the face.

How hard of a slap was it?

Enough to wake me up fully.

It felt like an adult's hand.

All right. Anything else?

The whole family experiences very violent

and terrible mood swings.

So all this fighting's got to be stressing you out,

I would assume.

It's stressing me out pretty bad.

It's stressing my sister and my brother out too.

I actually just want to get out of the house,

and I've actually just wanted to go

to a psych ward than be here.

Really?

There's a living person who's very depressed in here.

This person feels like a younger person,

but they're hypersensitive and freaking out.

Okay, so there's, like, some mental issues happening.

This person is losing their minds.

Desperate crying. Desperate crying.

Make it stop. Make it stop.

I can't take it anymore.

So, Brianna, how old are you?

13.

Everybody seems to be having a tough time here.

- What about yourself? - Yeah.

Tell me about some of the experiences you're having.

I hear knocking from that corner right there.

- Right here? - Yeah.

This is an outside wall.

You're sure that's not a noise you're hearing from maybe

somebody hitting from the outside or...

No, because it feels like it's in the room,

like someone's trying to get my attention to go to that corner.

Okay. Anything else?

I feel watched all the time.

Any place in particular or...

In that corner over there.

Okay.

And I'll turn around, and the curtain will be moving.

Any sense of who or what it might be?

A woman.

You think it's something that wants to harm you?

Sometimes.

It's just hard. I'm scared.

Brianna, I was talking to Mom, and she said

she thinks your great-grandmother

might be causing some of this.

- Do you agree with that? - Mm-hmm.

- You do. - Yeah.

She died over there in that hallway.

- Right out here? - Mm-hmm.

And this was her bedroom.

This was her bedroom.

Yes.

Oh, okay.

That's interesting.

I'm getting some really uncomfortable stuff.

I'm hearing "fight," "chaos," "bad."

So we have this Native American chick

who's running around like a [bleep] witch,

hiding in the corners, creeping out people.

I don't like her.

She has very, very bad intentions.

I'm seeing abuse physically or mentally or emotionally.

I don't know.

So this witch is abusing this person?

Yeah.

I think that the living see her moving,

like something moving past them,

shadow reaching out from the corners, all darkness.

They see this at night in the dark.

If there's children around, she's on them.

I feel like she would like to collect them.

This is not a good room.

I think somebody maybe died in this room.

So, Martha, you're Crystal's mom.

Yes, sir.

Okay, how long have you been here?

In 2011, I moved in with my husband, Ronnie.

I want to get to your experiences.

What's going on with you?

Well, wake up to scratches or bruises all over my arms.

Martha, I know you guys have a few dogs.

You sure it's not them causing these scratches?

No, it happens whether the dogs are around or not.

Crystal mentioned you got injured

in the back stairs going outside? Yes, sir.

So what happened there?

I was standing there, and all of a sudden, just boom,

got pushed out and landed on my knees.

Oh, my gosh. The pain was horrible.

So you mean it felt like somebody physically pushed you?

Physically pushed me.

It was like somebody holding my shoulders

and kicking me in the back.

It felt like a manly presence.

You're lucky you're alive.

- You really are. - I know.

I'm afraid to even ask you what else is going on.

I woke up,

and it felt like somebody was sitting on my chest,

so I couldn't breathe at all.

And they took me to the hospital,

and it looked like I was having a heart attack.

So what happened when you got to the hospital?

What did they say happened?

They didn't know what happened.

I'm seeing the angry guy again.

I think he's really focused on this older woman.

Why is she afraid of him?

It's because he does get physical with her.

Any idea how?

Things like getting beat on the chest,

and she wakes up like she can't breathe

and she's choking and coughing.

She feels like she's having a heart attack or something.

Now, Crystal told me she thinks your mother-in-law

is here causing all these problems.

I mean, do you agree with that?

I agree with that, but I think there's more.

What else do you think is here?

I think Ronnie may be around.

When Ronnie tried to commit suicide,

did you even see it coming?

Like, did you have any indication?

No. No.

None whatsoever.

Okay.

You think something in the house changed your husband?

Yeah.

He worshipped the ground I walked on,

but when we moved in this house,

his personality completely changed.

I became a whipping post.

This angry guy is tormenting a living woman in here.

It's getting worse. It's getting worse.

She's being held down now. She's being held down.

He won't let her up. Why is he doing this?

Why? Why? Why?

She doesn't like that.

It hurts. It's scary.

She was afraid of him when he was alive too.

This guy's pretty physical.

Damn.

You know, I'm going to say he was abusive in life.

He's got problems, I think.

Maybe alcohol.

Do you know what his relationship

is to this living person?

I mean, it would be [bleep] if they are related.

That would be really bad, like, really, really bad.

So I made my usual calls,

and when I reached out to a local historian,

he knew all about my client's property

and the family who used to own it.

Now, he says the man of the house

was a ruthless businessman

who got real rich real fast.

But his troublemaker of a son nearly threw it all away.

It sounds like this could definitely help my case.

So, Bryan, first things first.

Who was this ruthless business guy,

and when did he wind up on my client's property?

This is J. Price Hudson.

He bought your client's property in 1863.

By this point, he was already an ambitious,

wealthy man running a livestock business

in the heart of the Civil War.

So how successful was he?

He was nationally known and even internationally known

for his livestock.

He was making hundreds of thousands of dollars.

In our-time money, it'd be millions of dollars. Wow.

Now, you mentioned on the phone this guy had a knucklehead

of a son that practically lost all their money.

What's his story?

J. Price Hudson Jr.

is now vice president of the company.

Unfortunately, he was a huge embarrassment to his father.

And here he goes, abandoning his child,

abandoning his wife, running off to New Orleans,

doing "riotous living," as she claimed,

and leaving her destitute.

She actually sued him for alimony.

So how's the wife do with the lawsuit?

She actually wins the lawsuit.

All the assets from his company

ended up being handed over to her.

You know, if I was Hudson,

I would have kicked this little bastard to the curb.

Okay, so what happens with Hudson Sr.?

He dies in 1913.

A couple years later,

sons couldn't get along with each other,

and they finally end up liquidating the company

and selling off the dividends.

So it sounds like this one son

caused major destruction on the whole family.

So much to the point he's not in the family plot.

I'm seeing the angry guy and the living woman again.

I'm not sure that they're actually related,

but there's also the possibility

that they are working out issues

they have or had with other people

in their life or lives.

This dude doesn't like her

because she reminds him of his kid.

He had a kid that he didn't particularly care for.

They remind each other of the two people

that they hate the most.

And they're torturing each other.

Do you know what this angry guy looks like?

He's in his late 60s, early 70s.

And he's tall. He's got gray hair.

I feel like he was, like, an accountant.

Like, there's something with numbers.

I feel like he lived here.

I'm thinking he died here probably not in the best way

because he's freaking out the living woman.

So far, I know my client's property

was once owned by a rich businessman

whose son blew the family fortune.

But I want to see if there's anything else.

Searching for old records, I find a young girl

who was brutally murdered by a young man named Steven Payne.

I'm on my way to meet with a local crime

author who knows all about the case.

Turns out, the killer was a suspect in another murder,

and his alibi for that one is

that he was on Crystal's property at the time.

What'd you find out about the killer?

Here's a picture of our guy.

That's Steven Payne.

And, in 1931, Payne was working for a woman named Flora Sparks.

Sometime after he started working for her,

they had a falling out,

and it must have been pretty severe

because Flora Sparks kicked Payne

and his common-law wife, Viola, off of the property,

and she had a restraining order filed against him.

Steven Payne went down the road to get another job,

and he worked for Morris Stout,

who was the owner of your current client's property.

Several months later, that's when Flora Sparks

was found murdered, on December 18, 1931.

She had been tied to a chair, and she was tortured

and beaten to death.

All right. So did the cops pick him up?

No, because Morris Stout

insisted that the night in question,

Steven Payne had been home the whole night

and had never left his room.

Guy that owned my client's property

at the time gave him an alibi?

That's right.

So what about the murder we know he did?

How'd that go down?

Five months later, Payne and his wife had a big fight.

She left him, and people suspect it was

because she knew that he had killed Flora.

And she went to live with her mother.

How's he take it?

Well, he doesn't take it very well.

He kind of goes crazy.

The morning of July 24, 1932, he got his revolver,

and he tracked down his wife

and mother-in-law on the main street

of your client's neighborhood.

He shot at least 15 times in the air.

Guy's got a revolver.

With the amount of shots you're talking about,

he had to reload at least two or three times.

Yeah, the neighbors said it was bedlam.

His wife, Viola, was shot twice, and she died.

Viola was only 23 years old.

His mother-in-law was shot once, and she survived.

Do the cops grab him then?

Yeah, and he quickly confessed,

and he said he had never really meant to kill them.

He was only trying to scare them.

All right. So he confesses to this.

What kind of sentence did he get?

He was judged insane,

and he was sent to a mental asylum.

Finally, in 1952, he was paroled.

I'm seeing a young woman.

She was outside, probably late teens, early 20s.

She had dark hair, went to her shoulders.

She's wearing a short day dress, nothing fancy.

And it's torn.

She's running, and there's shots being fired.

Do you know when this was?

It was in the 1920s or '30s.

It's prior to the house being built.

She's hiding by a car, and a man comes up,

and he grabs her, and he's dragging her off.

There's gunfire.

They're not meant to get her.

It's just meant to scare her.

He definitely didn't want to shoot her.

It's really, really bad.

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Now, another thing caught my eye in research.

The guy, Morris Stout,

who provided an alibi for the killer,

had a lot of tragedy of his own

when he was living on Crystal's property.

I had a genealogist look into it for me,

and she tells me his time

there was marked with sickness, sadness, and death.

Okay, Phyllis, the Stout family,

what are you able to find out?

Well, Morris and his wife, Minnie, and their son, Warren,

moved onto the property in 1911 and started a dairy farm.

I have a photo here.

This is Morris in his later years.

Okay.

This is also a picture of his wife, Minnie.

Okay, so how did that go for them?

The farm was one of the few in the area

that actually survived the Great Depression

and actually lasted beyond World War II.

So he's obviously a good businessman.

What kind of a person was he though?

I think he was a very caring individual.

During the Great Depression, he hired farm laborers

who were in desperate need of work at the time,

even going so far as to allowing them

to live in the house with the family.

All right, so let's get to the tragedies.

What happened?

Well, it started in 1919.

Minnie moved her mother in to join them on the farm

where they could take care of her.

But, unfortunately, she died just two years later

very suddenly of a cerebral hemorrhage,

and I have her death certificate right here.

And she winds up dying on the property.

She died on the property at the age of 66.

Okay, so this is one death. What else happened?

Well, a few years later, Morris' grandson

Lawrence came down with strep throat.

He dies in the hospital at 5 months old.

And, oh, I have his death certificate here.

All right.

So they lose the mother and now a grandson.

What else happened?

Well, Minnie had a lot of health issues herself.

In 1927, she was diagnosed with breast cancer,

and they discovered that she also was battling throat,

lung, and liver cancer.

She underwent surgery, where the doctors

tried to remove the tumors.

She did manage to survive four more years,

but she was suffering.

Okay. Do we know she passed away at the house?

She did.

She died in 1931 at the age of 56.

And I have her death certificate here.

All right. So Morris lost his in-laws,

his wife, grandson.

What happened to him?

Well, he lived on the property until 1947.

At that point, he suffered a major heart attack

while he was on the farm.

He's rushed to the hospital but is pronounced dead

on arrival at the age of 80.

Kind of a sad story when you think about it.

I just feel illness.

Sick, very sick, very sick.

Throwing up.

Sick, sick.

Illness, illness.

Now vomiting, vomiting.

Oh, God, now I feel horribly ill.

Talk about massive stomach issues.

Holy crap.

This is a terrible, terrible room.

I hate it.

There's death. There's death.

There's death here.

During my walk, I saw several dead people,

but the angry guy attacking a living woman

had me the most concerned.

Initially, she's asleep, okay?

This guy comes in, and he smacks her right here in the chest.

She's clenching her chest, leaning up in bed.

Almost feels like everything's collapsing.

Amy, is this what you saw?

Yes, that's what I saw.

Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,

we're ready to reveal our findings to each other

and our clients for the first time.

Amy, I'd like you to meet Crystal and her mother, Martha.

The thing is, since the day Crystal moved in here

with her family,

the activity has been aggressive and nonstop.

So here's a picture of the family.

This is Alex, who's 12, her son Phillip, who's 17,

and her daughter, Brianna, who's 13.

Now, Crystal called us in because whatever is here

is going after her mother and the kids.

She told me if we can't help her,

one of them's going to get killed.

So now that Amy knows your situation,

I'm going to ask her to describe her walk.

During my walk, I saw a female.

She was outside.

She was very young, probably late teens, early 20s.

She was wearing, like, a house dress, I would say,

from, like the '20s or '30s.

She was running, and I hear gunshots.

I hear boom, boom, boom.

And I see this man.

Basically, the man was shooting the gun to scare her.

He didn't want to kill her.

I got a pretty good idea of what you saw out there.

Now, you said the scene was back in the '20s and '30s, right?

Correct, yes.

Now, back in the early 1930s, there was a guy, Steven Payne,

that lived and worked on your property.

We got a photo of him.

He's scary.

Now, in 1932, Payne went crazy

and terrorized this neighborhood.

Now, Payne was pissed off that his wife left him.

So he grabbed his pistol and wound up chasing her

and her mother into the street.

Payne fired his gun 15 times in the air

before he turned the gun on his wife

and his mother-in-law.

Viola tried to run, but two shots hit her,

one of them right through her heart.

Now, she died on the spot.

Now, when he got arrested, he told the cops

he wasn't trying to kill her.

He was just trying to scare her by shooting at them.

Payne later pled insanity to escape the death penalty.

Now, is this the murder you think you might have seen?

Yeah.

This is a shock.

Okay, so what else happened when you got to the house?

When I went into the back bedroom to the left...

- That's Brianna's room. - Yes.

...I encountered a dead female.

This woman has taken on looking like a witch.

And I think that the living

would experience her in a few ways.

The first one is, obviously, seeing her.

I think that, mostly, living people would see her as,

like, a dark shadow moving by.

Now, Amy, when I talked to Brianna,

she told me she sees shadows all the time,

and she always feels like somebody in the room

is watching her.

Oh, my gosh.

We need to get her out of that room.

I got to get her out.

But the most concerning way that she interacted

with the living was via their emotions.

She's emotionally tormenting individuals in the house

and mentally abusing the person who sleeps in that room.

She's extremely focused on the younger children in the house.

She wants to take the children away.

I also got an overwhelming feeling of sickness and death,

and I felt like someone had died in there.

Before Brianna moved into that room,

it belonged to Martha's mother-in-law, Neva.

You felt like somebody died in the room? Yes.

Well, she dropped dead right in the hallway next to the bedroom.

Tell her what kind of woman she was.

She was just evil. She hated me with a passion.

She hated everybody.

Amy, you said this woman is emotionally

tormenting people here.

Let's talk about Brianna's emotional changes

that you noticed.

When she's in the house, she reminds me of my grandmother.

It's not my daughter.

Crystal did give me a photo of the grandmother.

Well, this is her happy face since she's older in it.

Oh.

Is there a chance Neva could be the witch

you're talking about that's in this room?

Not from what I was told.

That's surprising.

The woman I saw is a Native American.

Someone who lived in this house at some point, had abilities,

and trapped her here.

Then I walked into the front bedroom.

I felt that the individual in that room

was extremely depressed and stressed out.

The stress is directly related to the activity in the house.

The person's not handling it very well at all.

I kind of got that that individual is heading towards

a little bit of a mental breakdown.

I heard them, like, crying, "Make it stop.

I can't take it anymore."

I got that this person had been very affected by a death

that had occurred.

This death was weighing very heavily on this person,

and they couldn't quite get over it.

Now, that room you're talking about belongs to Phillip.

He told me he'd rather be in a psychiatric

hospital than the house.

He said that, "Nobody loves me. Nobody cares."

I just thought it was for attention.

I'm sorry.

No, don't be.

You mentioned that he's having a tough time with death.

Mm-hmm.

When Phillip's grandfather died, which was Martha's husband,

he didn't take it well.

He was really broken up by it.

I mean, he told me they were like best friends.

They went everywhere together.

Whenever you'd see one, you'd see the other.

So what else happened on the walk?

I encountered the most confusing

and frustrating part of this walk.

There was an older man.

And, initially, I was very confused about who he was.

But now I know he was a relative of someone in the house.

I'm extremely concerned about him.

He is out of control.

He goes all over the house, but he loves the basement.

He seemed to be in his late 60s, early 70s.

Told you.

Tall, gray hair?

I got that he was extremely controlling and very meticulous.

He was an alcoholic.

He was abusive.

The way he was acting, like, I was like,

"If he's really a relative,

it's a very messed-up relationship."

So it was hard for me to believe

that this would be somebody who was directly related.

I know who that is.

I think we all do.

Crystal, why don't you start and do me a favor

and tell Amy about your father?

My dad was a Marine, meticulous.

Everything had its place.

When they moved up here,

he wasn't the same person anymore.

Really?

He was always an alcoholic, but he started drinking

more and more and more and more.

He was a good man.

When we moved in the house, he became very abusive.

The other thing is, you hit something that was --

the basement.

That was my dad's spot.

Okay.

He had an incident down there.

Yeah, he tried to kill himself with a gun.

And he would have succeeded if he had not been so drunk.

I've got a photo of the father right here.

I have another photo of him.

Believe it or not, this photo here

is only less than a year later.

What?

So I'm curious, Amy,

based on what you're hearing,

you think Ronnie is the guy you saw?

Yes, absolutely.

Is he trying to hurt us?

Um...yes?

The living would definitely have interactions with this person.

He's extremely angry.

He feels, at this point, that his only option

is to lash out and retaliate,

physically attacking you guys.

Oh, my gosh.

He is able to get physical with everyone,

but he seems to be directing his aggression

towards an older female.

I mean, that's why they called us in.

Her mom got pushed off the back stairs.

I came over to see her, and she was in the driveway.

She had been there for four hours.

Oh, my gosh.

She kept saying, "Somebody pushed me.

Somebody pushed me."

It broke my leg.

I also saw him hitting this woman in the chest

while she was in bed asleep.

So I saw her going and she couldn't breathe,

and she's clutching her chest,

and she thinks she's having a heart attack.

Tell her what happened.

I woke up one night, and I couldn't breathe.

And I felt like something was sitting on my chest.

And I thought I was having a heart attack.

But by the time I got to the hospital, I was fine.

I wanted to show you a sketch

of what I saw happening in the bedroom.

I don't even want to show this to you guys.

That bad?

It's not good.

Oh, my gosh.

You okay, honey?

- Can I have a minute? - Sure.

Just watch it.

I'm sorry.

That's okay. You all right?

You need anything?

No.

Crystal, you thought your mom was in danger.

You were right.

Yeah.

It's just hard to know it was my dad.

I just knew it was him.

She told me she thought it was him.

It's tough to hear, sweetie.

Amy, how much danger are they in?

There are two major threats here,

your husband and the Native American woman

who looks like a witch.

I am very worried about Brianna, and it also makes me worried

about your son Phillip.

What could she do to the kids? What's her goal?

She can influence people and bring out the darkness in them.

Then there's Ronnie.

Is he going to kill me, eventually kill me or...

Yes, he is an absolute threat.

I mean, how do you feel knowing your late husband's

trying to kill you?

Hurt, like somebody stabbed a knife in my heart.

But I knew.

I just didn't want to believe it.

I just want him to go, but as long as Crystal talks about him

all the time and cries over him,

he's not going to leave.

So, ladies, I know this night hasn't been easy for you,

and you got way more than you bargained for,

but at least now you finally know who's haunting your family.

But we still haven't answered the big question --

Can you stay in the house safely,

or should you just get out?

Well, for that answer, I'm going to turn it over to Amy.

There's a couple of things that you'll need to do.

A shaman needs to be contacted.

And what they need to do specifically

is a proper Native American burial ritual,

and then they need to cleanse

and protect your land and your home.

This is going to get rid of the Native American woman.

The next thing is a medium needs to come in,

and you need to have a reading done with your father.

When that reading is taking place,

you need to be away from the location.

Why can't I be there?

She needs to have that time alone with the medium

and her father.

That gives you and your father a chance

to kind of discuss things,

put some closure in there.

Once that's done, the medium will then assist him to move on.

The medium will also then reach out to the other dead

that are hanging around and move them on, as well.

I mean, how do you feel about knowing that at least

you can try and help move your father on?

I want to help him move on.

I don't want him hurting my mother.

I'm heartbroken that he's the one doing it.

It's hard to realize that our heroes have flaws.

Now, if, let's say, this is all done

and everything goes to plan,

will they feel better afterwards?

Oh, hell yeah.

You'll notice a huge change as far as the emotion,

like the emotional things,

like the depression and the stress.

Are you guys up for it?

We're going to get started on this.

Tomorrow.

I'm glad we were able to help somehow.

I can't imagine the pain Martha and Crystal

feel knowing the person they knew and loved in life

is trying to kill them in death.

But with the help of a shaman and a medium,

they can move Ronnie on

and banish the Native American woman,

allowing them to lead a safe and peaceful life.

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