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He does not want us here.
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He like, just,
assaults people quick.
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There is no question in my mind
that he was talking about Satan.
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He was just
a [bleep] monster.
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The devil was trying to take me.
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Very abusive.
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I can barely function in here.
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This seems like a possession.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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Everything was built on blood.
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I see dead people.
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Very disturbing.
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I speak to dead people.
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There's victims around him.
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Ow.
And they speak to me.
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Her voice sounds like death.
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But there's only one way
to know if my findings are real.
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The living don't
stand a chance here.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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You could have got killed.
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I know every person,
every house, has secrets.
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This is coming
straight from hell.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Your mom was murdered
right here in this room?
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Yes, she was.
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But Steve and I
never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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This was just the beginning.
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When we uncover if it's safe
for you to stay...
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Oh, my God.
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Or time to get out.
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They're very bad.
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This house
is going to kill me.
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I'm in Olympia, Washington,
about an hour south of Seattle.
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I got a call from a woman
named Bobbie.
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Now, she lives with her mom
and her two kids.
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One of them is special needs.
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She says they're
all under attack,
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and if we can't fix this,
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she thinks somebody's
going to get seriously hurt.
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Before Amy arrives,
I clear the area
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of any leading information.
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Religious icons, family photos
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and personal items
can influence her findings,
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so it's important I cover
or remove them all.
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When I'm done, the location will
be ready for tonight's walk.
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This place is really,
really bad for the living.
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The area, in general,
has seen a lot of issues.
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Something here makes people
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do bad things
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to themselves or to others.
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So there's something here
that makes people die.
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So, Bobbie, when we spoke
on the phone,
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you were obviously upset.
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What the hell's going on here?
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Everything is just
kind of crazy.
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I mean, family members
are getting attacked,
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and I don't know
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how to protect my kids
from it, keep them safe.
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We just really need some help.
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Who lives in the house now?
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Right now, it's myself, my mom,
Betty, my son, Dylan, who's 13,
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and my daughter, Morgan.
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She's 19.
She has special needs.
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She looks like
a sweet kid.
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You know, she is so innocent,
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I worry that it's going
to set her up
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to be more vulnerable
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to some sort of
paranormal attack.
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Give me an idea of what you guys
are going through in the house.
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We have everything
from footsteps,
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disembodied voices,
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feeling like you're
being watched.
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Her physical health
is declining.
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So is everybody
being affected?
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Mostly just my mom
and my son.
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You know, my son
is seeing things in his room,
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being attacked physically.
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How bad are
the physical attacks?
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They're really bad, actually.
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My mom just fell and broke
her arm in two places.
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And you think whatever caused
her to fall was paranormal?
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Absolutely.
I watched her.
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I can tell you she didn't trip
over anything.
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When did the activity start?
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About 5 years ago.
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Any theories on what sparked it?
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We lost my step-son.
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He passed away
at the age of 21.
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How'd he die?
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He committed suicide.
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He shot himself.
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Did you guys have any idea
he was having problems?
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We saw a lot of depression,
anger flares.
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You know, I thought that he was
kind of lost in his life.
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Did he die in the house?
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No, he passed away
at his mother's place.
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Did he come by
the house a lot?
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Almost every day.
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Okay.
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That's Jared there
with the kids.
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Looks like the kids
loved him, huh?
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They loved him very much.
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Okay.
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'Kay...
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I just feel like,
if I had been there...
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You can't really
blame yourself.
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You think he's here?
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I think that he comes
and checks in on the kids.
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I'm seeing, like,
this dead guy.
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This person's very lost,
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and depressed,
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and confused.
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I'm not exactly sure
what killed him.
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I thought, like,
he had head pain?
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Feel like it was a suicide.
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I'm trying to understand
his relationship to this home
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because he keeps showing me
a different house.
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Can you describe him?
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Like, I'm seeing him
at a younger age then
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when he would have died if...
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Say he was, mm,
probably about 14 or 15.
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I think he, like,
got dragged back here.
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He had to come back,
and he didn't want to.
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He's, like,
not happy about that.
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So, Bobbie, I assume
this is your bedroom?
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Yes.
All right.
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So what kind of experiences
are you having in here?
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I always have a problem
feeling like my hair
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and my clothes
are being pulled at.
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When I look, there's never
anything there.
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What kind of a tug
are we talking about?
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Like a get-your-attention
kind of tug.
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It gets really overwhelming
and frustrating.
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Okay, anything else?
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There's a really overwhelming
sensation of being
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watched all the time.
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Like some peeping Tom's
looking at you?
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Yeah, somebody's watching
every move you make
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and that, any second,
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they might just
reach out and grab you.
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That's got to be uneasy
for you to sleep
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then if you think
somebody's watching you?
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I don't sleep all that well
because I have a real problem
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with night terrors.
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Can you describe them,
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or is it something
that you don't remember?
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They all have
the same kind of theme,
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where something frightening
is happening,
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and I have to get to my kids
and get them to safety.
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The night terrors got so strong
and so frequent that they had
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to put me on a medication.
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Did it help?
It did, actually.
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I had five or six
night terrors a night.
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Now I only have one or two.
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I don't like this area.
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Something weird is
happening back here.
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This might be a nightmare
they're having
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because it's too weird.
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This person, like, wakes up
and thinks, like, they're dead.
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Ow.
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Living person got hit
on the head.
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Oh, yeah, a couple times here.
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It's a dead person,
like, it's a female,
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and she's all burnt.
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Messing with their head.
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It's touching them,
touching them.
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Messing with them all the time,
all the time.
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Messing, messing,
messing with them.
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Can I assume you've had
experiences in this room?
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Yes, this is actually
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one of the more active rooms
in the house.
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I've actually seen
child figures.
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All right. Can you describe
what one looked like?
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It was like
an extra dark space.
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Like, a very wide person just
came rushing straight at me.
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It must have scared
the hell out of you?
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Yes. My palms are sweating
just thinking about it.
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Just thinking about it, right?
Yeah.
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All right, anything else?
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There are a lot of physical
attacks happening in the house.
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Like what?
There's scratches.
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Dylan had one that
came from his groin
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all the way down to his ankle,
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and it was blood red.
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Anything else?
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You know, there's an incident
that happened with Dylan
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that comes to mind.
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There was a night
where he was taking a bath,
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and he started crying,
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"God, I don't want to be bad!
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Please don't let him
take me, God!
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Please don't let him take me!"
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And he was hysterical.
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He would just keep screaming,
and it terrifies me
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that something really is going
to come after my kids
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that I can't rescue them from,
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and it really is going to take
their sweet little souls.
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It was the most
frightening thing
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that I think I've ever seen.
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Do you have any idea
who he was talking about?
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There's no question in my mind
that he was talking about Satan.
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Do you feel it had
a lasting affect on him?
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He's never been
the same since then.
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He's really withdrawn,
mood swings, outbursts,
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fighting with his sister
aggressively.
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It's affecting everybody.
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Everybody.
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There's a big man
just yelling at everybody.
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He's overbearing.
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Just takes up
the entire [bleep] space.
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This guy, he makes everything,
like, shake,
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like an earthquake.
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And it's weird how he, like,
interacts with the living.
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Waves of anger and yelling.
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The living would experience
that, like, sudden onset rage
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which could, obviously,
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change their personality
for the time that he's around.
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I can barely function in here.
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So, Betty, I understand
you're Bobbie's mom.
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I am.
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Now, she told me about the fall,
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and I can see you're still
in recovery mode.
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Yeah.
What happened that day?
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I was cleaning the garage,
and the next thing I know
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I was on the ground
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and pretty much out of it.
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I have fallen down four times
this summer.
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It's getting to the point that
I'm not sure I can go outside
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without getting knocked down.
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So do you think something
might have pushed you?
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Yes, because I don't have
any serious health problems
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that would cause that.
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Something is helping me fall.
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Anything else happen?
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At night, something bumps into
my bed with lots of muscles.
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Betty, when you say
with muscles,
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is it an aggressive
hitting to the bed?
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It's very forceful,
enough to wake me up.
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But it's very disturbing.
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Betty, I got to tell you,
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I've done a lot
of these cases, over 100.
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And one thing I did learn is
that when things get physical,
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that's a really bad sign.
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And it can only get worse.
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Did you ever consider
packing up and leaving?
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No.
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I just want to find
the fix for it.
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The angry guy who's here can get
very physical with the living.
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He, like, just assaults
people quick.
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He's, like, grabbing the neck,
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doing [bleep]
with people's ears.
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And he comes up real quick,
grabs, leaves that imprint.
257
00:12:00,770 --> 00:12:02,403
Okay?
That energy is still there,
258
00:12:02,405 --> 00:12:03,972
and he's gone.
259
00:12:03,974 --> 00:12:06,107
He's just a beast.
260
00:12:06,109 --> 00:12:07,709
Oh, my God.
261
00:12:07,711 --> 00:12:09,611
He does not want us here.
262
00:12:16,286 --> 00:12:17,819
So, Dylan, I was talking
with your mom,
263
00:12:17,821 --> 00:12:20,655
and she's telling you're having
a real tough time here.
264
00:12:20,657 --> 00:12:21,990
Yes.
265
00:12:21,992 --> 00:12:23,258
She mentioned something about,
when you were younger,
266
00:12:23,260 --> 00:12:24,893
something happened
when you were in the bath tub?
267
00:12:24,895 --> 00:12:29,097
I was just, like, crying,
like, non-stop.
268
00:12:29,099 --> 00:12:31,666
That's the only part I remember.
269
00:12:31,668 --> 00:12:33,401
So, Dylan,
what do you think happened?
270
00:12:33,403 --> 00:12:35,803
I was possessed
271
00:12:35,805 --> 00:12:38,106
and that they wanted me
272
00:12:38,108 --> 00:12:40,909
to do something
very bad,
273
00:12:40,911 --> 00:12:43,411
like hurt my family.
274
00:12:43,413 --> 00:12:45,280
What do you think
possessed you?
275
00:12:45,282 --> 00:12:48,583
Something very aggressive.
276
00:12:48,585 --> 00:12:52,153
The Devil
was trying to take me.
277
00:12:52,155 --> 00:12:55,223
I felt bad for this poor kid,
and the longer I talked to him,
278
00:12:55,225 --> 00:12:57,025
the worse it got.
279
00:12:57,027 --> 00:13:00,061
It was cloaked with, like,
280
00:13:00,063 --> 00:13:02,830
curved horns that
came like this.
281
00:13:02,832 --> 00:13:05,900
Either Dylan has one
wild imagination...
282
00:13:05,902 --> 00:13:10,638
I've seen several different
apparitions staring at me.
283
00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,442
Or he's experienced way
too much, way too young.
284
00:13:14,444 --> 00:13:17,345
Chronic migraine headaches.
285
00:13:17,347 --> 00:13:19,480
So what do these headaches
actually feel like?
286
00:13:19,482 --> 00:13:24,018
Like someone is
taking their hands
287
00:13:24,020 --> 00:13:27,989
and pressing on your head
as hard as they can.
288
00:13:31,528 --> 00:13:35,330
This dead guy,
he really gets mad.
289
00:13:35,332 --> 00:13:37,699
He's like,
"Get the [bleep] out."
290
00:13:37,701 --> 00:13:39,901
Are the living
affected by him?
291
00:13:39,903 --> 00:13:41,336
Yes.
292
00:13:41,338 --> 00:13:43,638
He's been seen,
doesn't like that.
293
00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,373
And then he causes
the physical pain,
294
00:13:45,375 --> 00:13:46,941
which is the back
of the neck grabbing,
295
00:13:46,943 --> 00:13:50,044
back of the head grabbing.
296
00:13:50,046 --> 00:13:54,749
You absolutely feel anger
and hatred when he's around.
297
00:13:54,751 --> 00:13:57,318
I can barely stand in here.
298
00:14:04,894 --> 00:14:06,928
So, Morgan,
I was talking to mom,
299
00:14:06,930 --> 00:14:09,597
she said there's some scary
stuff going on in the house.
300
00:14:09,599 --> 00:14:13,201
Now, has anything happened
to you that you can't explain?
301
00:14:13,203 --> 00:14:14,902
Yes.
Okay.
302
00:14:17,140 --> 00:14:23,311
I only saw it, like,
walk across,
303
00:14:23,313 --> 00:14:26,614
into my grandma's room,
and just disappeared.
304
00:14:26,616 --> 00:14:27,882
Okay, what did it look like?
305
00:14:27,884 --> 00:14:32,687
It was black, like,
I just see the color.
306
00:14:32,689 --> 00:14:34,122
What about anything else
that happened?
307
00:14:34,124 --> 00:14:35,556
Voices.
308
00:14:35,558 --> 00:14:40,361
The voices that you hear, do you
have any idea who it might be?
309
00:14:40,363 --> 00:14:41,696
No.
310
00:14:41,698 --> 00:14:44,298
It's a lot of voices,
and I don't know
311
00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:46,901
if it's male and a female.
312
00:14:46,903 --> 00:14:48,302
Does that scare you?
313
00:14:48,304 --> 00:14:51,506
It scared me enough that
314
00:14:51,508 --> 00:14:53,408
I had to do
the Lord's Prayer.
315
00:14:53,410 --> 00:14:56,144
So is that what you do to try
to stop it from happening?
316
00:14:56,146 --> 00:14:57,412
Yes.
317
00:14:57,414 --> 00:14:59,380
Sweetie, would you like
to move away from here?
318
00:14:59,382 --> 00:15:03,117
Yes. I'm scared, and I want
to move away.
319
00:15:03,119 --> 00:15:07,088
Well, we're here to try to stop
that, and we'll stop the voices.
320
00:15:11,494 --> 00:15:13,961
This is an issue.
321
00:15:13,963 --> 00:15:17,231
There's another dead girl
that's hanging out in here.
322
00:15:17,233 --> 00:15:19,834
Oh, she's so weird-looking.
323
00:15:19,836 --> 00:15:23,104
Part of her
is kind of a zombie.
324
00:15:23,106 --> 00:15:24,839
She's [bleep] with the living.
325
00:15:28,378 --> 00:15:30,044
What the [bleep]
is she doing?
326
00:15:30,046 --> 00:15:31,446
She's, like,
327
00:15:31,448 --> 00:15:35,450
just drooling
on the person.
328
00:15:35,452 --> 00:15:38,219
What person is she
doing this to?
329
00:15:38,221 --> 00:15:41,756
Whoever laying there --
looks young,
330
00:15:41,758 --> 00:15:43,858
maybe 17.
331
00:15:43,860 --> 00:15:46,294
Is the living person
aware of this?
332
00:15:46,296 --> 00:15:47,795
Yeah.
333
00:15:47,797 --> 00:15:52,834
I think that this person's
having nightmares about her.
334
00:15:56,439 --> 00:15:58,639
The other thing is that
335
00:15:58,641 --> 00:16:02,043
it's causing illness,
336
00:16:02,045 --> 00:16:04,479
like really [bleep] bad.
337
00:16:04,481 --> 00:16:08,382
I think this is, like, really
not good for this living person.
338
00:16:08,384 --> 00:16:12,386
She's definitely, like, taking
this person's life, basically.
339
00:16:27,258 --> 00:16:29,625
Close your eyes and randomly
point to a spot
340
00:16:29,627 --> 00:16:31,194
on a map of the U.S.,
341
00:16:31,196 --> 00:16:32,528
chances are good
you're going to find
342
00:16:32,530 --> 00:16:34,197
some Native American history.
343
00:16:34,199 --> 00:16:37,934
When I called on an old friend
and historian, Jeff Davis,
344
00:16:37,936 --> 00:16:39,502
he said what happened
around Bobbie's house
345
00:16:39,504 --> 00:16:40,903
was so brutal,
346
00:16:40,905 --> 00:16:42,772
it will definitely
help my case.
347
00:16:48,813 --> 00:16:50,346
Well, Jeff, it's good
to see you again.
348
00:16:50,348 --> 00:16:51,881
Thanks for helping me out.
349
00:16:51,883 --> 00:16:54,217
You mentioned on the phone
that my client's property
350
00:16:54,219 --> 00:16:56,152
had a real brutal past.
351
00:16:56,154 --> 00:16:57,353
Let's start from the beginning.
352
00:16:57,355 --> 00:16:59,121
Who inhabited the land?
What was the story?
353
00:16:59,123 --> 00:17:02,592
Well, that land used to belong
to the Nisqually Indian tribe.
354
00:17:02,594 --> 00:17:04,927
One of their travel routes
was Woodland Creek,
355
00:17:04,929 --> 00:17:06,862
which runs through
your client's property.
356
00:17:10,034 --> 00:17:12,635
Okay, so now what happens
when the white settlers show up?
357
00:17:12,637 --> 00:17:16,772
Well, in 1853, the governor
of the territory, Isaac Stevens,
358
00:17:16,774 --> 00:17:18,040
was tasked with removing
359
00:17:18,042 --> 00:17:20,243
all the Native Americans
for white settlement.
360
00:17:20,245 --> 00:17:22,411
How do they go out
misplacing the Nisqually?
361
00:17:22,413 --> 00:17:25,648
Well, they started out
by calling a treaty council
362
00:17:25,650 --> 00:17:27,116
to try and get the Nisqually
363
00:17:27,118 --> 00:17:29,252
and the others
to just leave their land.
364
00:17:29,254 --> 00:17:33,322
And the treaty was
signed December 26th, 1854,
365
00:17:33,324 --> 00:17:36,692
only a couple miles away
from your client's property.
366
00:17:36,694 --> 00:17:38,427
This is written
in English, obviously.
367
00:17:38,429 --> 00:17:39,562
Yes.
368
00:17:39,564 --> 00:17:41,163
How many of these Native
Americans spoke English?
369
00:17:41,165 --> 00:17:42,398
None of them.
370
00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,533
And this is part of the problem
that comes later.
371
00:17:44,535 --> 00:17:47,370
Many of them claimed, afterward,
that Stevens threatened them.
372
00:17:47,372 --> 00:17:49,572
And he said, "It doesn't matter
whether you agree or not.
373
00:17:49,574 --> 00:17:51,240
We're just going
to sign for you."
374
00:17:51,242 --> 00:17:54,710
They really forced sell their
land for pennies an acre.
375
00:17:54,712 --> 00:17:57,179
Basically, the Nisquallys
got taken for a ride?
376
00:17:57,181 --> 00:17:59,348
Yeah, absolutely.
Okay, how'd they handle it?
377
00:17:59,350 --> 00:18:01,550
Well, there were two
Nisqually leaders,
378
00:18:01,552 --> 00:18:04,720
Leschi and his
half-brother, Quiemuth.
379
00:18:04,722 --> 00:18:07,957
Here's a picture
of Leschi right here.
380
00:18:07,959 --> 00:18:11,327
And they basically led
their people in a revolt.
381
00:18:11,329 --> 00:18:12,728
How did that play out?
382
00:18:12,730 --> 00:18:15,965
Well, this whole thing lasted
about a year and a half.
383
00:18:15,967 --> 00:18:19,001
The fighting was so bad,
there was so much loss of life,
384
00:18:19,003 --> 00:18:20,903
that Governor Stevens
declared martial law.
385
00:18:20,905 --> 00:18:22,471
So now martial law
is in effect.
386
00:18:22,473 --> 00:18:25,241
What happens with the leaders
of the Native American tribes?
387
00:18:25,243 --> 00:18:30,079
Well, later in 1856, Leschi is
actually taken into custody,
388
00:18:30,081 --> 00:18:33,482
and the military tries him
under court martial,
389
00:18:33,484 --> 00:18:35,918
and they hung
Leschi in 1858.
390
00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,019
Okay, so that's Leschi.
391
00:18:37,021 --> 00:18:38,287
What happened to
his brother, Quiemuth?
392
00:18:38,289 --> 00:18:41,557
He actually turned himself
in to Isaac Stevens.
393
00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:44,660
They kept him overnight
in Stevens' house,
394
00:18:44,662 --> 00:18:45,995
and what they were
going to do the next day
395
00:18:45,997 --> 00:18:48,097
is take him and turn him
over to the military.
396
00:18:48,099 --> 00:18:50,032
But somebody found out about it,
397
00:18:50,034 --> 00:18:53,602
and they broke into the house
and stabbed Quiemuth
398
00:18:53,604 --> 00:18:55,471
and killed him.
All right.
399
00:18:55,473 --> 00:18:56,939
So both brothers are killed.
Mm-hmm.
400
00:18:56,941 --> 00:18:58,274
What happens
to the Nisqually tribe?
401
00:18:58,276 --> 00:18:59,675
Well, without their leadership,
402
00:18:59,677 --> 00:19:01,811
the tribe just lost
the will to fight,
403
00:19:01,813 --> 00:19:03,612
and they went on
their reservation.
404
00:19:08,219 --> 00:19:09,952
This is weird.
405
00:19:09,954 --> 00:19:13,489
I'm getting something
about improper burials.
406
00:19:13,491 --> 00:19:15,591
I'm thinking that might have
to do with this area
407
00:19:15,593 --> 00:19:16,926
being [bleep] up.
408
00:19:20,365 --> 00:19:24,333
So there's a conscious entity
that I don't know
409
00:19:24,335 --> 00:19:27,103
if it was ever in human form.
410
00:19:27,105 --> 00:19:31,140
This entity is really powerful
and really dangerous.
411
00:19:31,142 --> 00:19:35,578
This thing can influence
the living to a great extent
412
00:19:35,580 --> 00:19:38,514
and does not, like,
prey on the weak
413
00:19:38,516 --> 00:19:40,015
or the vulnerable.
414
00:19:40,017 --> 00:19:44,353
It likes strong,
normal people, living people.
415
00:19:44,355 --> 00:19:48,324
Makes people doing bad things
416
00:19:48,326 --> 00:19:50,359
to themselves or to others.
417
00:19:54,031 --> 00:19:56,899
So far, I've got a family
with too many experiences
418
00:19:56,901 --> 00:19:58,367
to even count,
419
00:19:58,369 --> 00:20:00,469
on a property
where Native Americans
420
00:20:00,471 --> 00:20:02,938
were murdered and driven
from their land.
421
00:20:02,940 --> 00:20:05,908
But I want to see
if there's anything else.
422
00:20:05,910 --> 00:20:08,677
Searching through the archives,
I've come across Hill Harman,
423
00:20:08,679 --> 00:20:11,013
the original owner
of my client's property.
424
00:20:13,151 --> 00:20:15,618
I'm on my way to meet
with a local genealogist.
425
00:20:15,620 --> 00:20:17,686
She says Harman
was an upstanding guy
426
00:20:17,688 --> 00:20:19,889
before he moved on
to Bobbie's property.
427
00:20:19,891 --> 00:20:21,690
And then everything changed.
428
00:20:21,692 --> 00:20:25,060
She calls him a "real-life
Jekyll and Hyde."
429
00:20:30,701 --> 00:20:32,201
Thanks for looking
at this case for me.
430
00:20:32,203 --> 00:20:33,202
I appreciate that.
431
00:20:33,204 --> 00:20:34,870
What do you know about this guy?
432
00:20:34,872 --> 00:20:37,306
Hill Harman, he started
a lumber business,
433
00:20:37,308 --> 00:20:41,010
and then he eventually
opened a hotel in Olympia.
434
00:20:41,012 --> 00:20:42,711
He had a good reputation.
435
00:20:42,713 --> 00:20:45,714
He planned to bring women
who had been orphaned
436
00:20:45,716 --> 00:20:47,082
by the Civil War
437
00:20:47,084 --> 00:20:49,251
out to Washington to help
settle the territory.
438
00:20:49,253 --> 00:20:51,587
When does he wind up
on my client's property?
439
00:20:51,589 --> 00:20:54,390
He gets there about mid-1860s,
440
00:20:54,392 --> 00:20:57,460
and he is the first
property owner there.
441
00:20:57,462 --> 00:20:59,028
All right, so I get
the Dr. Jekyll part
442
00:20:59,030 --> 00:21:01,263
with his guy, but when does
the Mr. Hyde part come out?
443
00:21:01,265 --> 00:21:04,700
In 1871, he's given the contract
of superintendent
444
00:21:04,702 --> 00:21:07,470
of the territorial
insane asylum.
445
00:21:07,472 --> 00:21:13,876
He was paid 92 cents a day per
patient to clothe and feed them.
446
00:21:16,747 --> 00:21:18,781
That's pretty nice digs.
447
00:21:18,783 --> 00:21:20,249
In addition to the money
he was getting,
448
00:21:20,251 --> 00:21:23,619
he was able to use
the patients and inmates
449
00:21:23,621 --> 00:21:26,989
as free labor
in his businesses.
450
00:21:26,991 --> 00:21:28,491
All right.
So this guy's a crook.
451
00:21:28,493 --> 00:21:29,892
Does it ever catch up to him?
452
00:21:29,894 --> 00:21:32,661
Yeah. And the treatment
was so bad
453
00:21:32,663 --> 00:21:37,733
that he was charged with cruelty
to one of the patients there,
454
00:21:37,735 --> 00:21:40,069
but he was acquitted
of the charges.
455
00:21:40,071 --> 00:21:43,372
The medical society
stepped in and fired him.
456
00:21:43,374 --> 00:21:45,074
All right.
So now he's out of a job.
457
00:21:45,076 --> 00:21:46,542
What winds up
happening to him?
458
00:21:46,544 --> 00:21:48,377
Does he stay on
my client's property?
459
00:21:48,379 --> 00:21:49,578
No, he moved on.
460
00:21:49,580 --> 00:21:53,015
He died in 1899
at the age of 76.
461
00:21:53,017 --> 00:21:54,817
This guy's
a real piece of work.
462
00:21:59,423 --> 00:22:02,525
I'm seeing that angry guy again.
463
00:22:02,527 --> 00:22:05,394
Do you get any idea
of who he was in life?
464
00:22:05,396 --> 00:22:07,630
I get an H name with him.
465
00:22:07,632 --> 00:22:10,165
I'm seeing brown hair.
466
00:22:10,167 --> 00:22:13,702
I think sometimes
he's wearing glasses.
467
00:22:13,704 --> 00:22:18,073
He looks like
a bigger guy to me.
468
00:22:18,075 --> 00:22:19,508
Any idea how he died?
469
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:21,143
I do think that he had
a heart issue.
470
00:22:21,145 --> 00:22:23,445
I do.
So it could be multiple things.
471
00:22:23,447 --> 00:22:25,281
I think he had a lot wrong
with him,
472
00:22:25,283 --> 00:22:28,083
and it was from all
the rage he had
473
00:22:28,085 --> 00:22:32,388
because he was
just a [bleep] monster.
474
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:36,025
Very abusive,
very physically abusive,
475
00:22:36,027 --> 00:22:38,260
emotionally abusive.
476
00:22:40,064 --> 00:22:42,197
He was a [bleep] nut job.
477
00:22:49,707 --> 00:22:51,040
If you need us to investigate
478
00:22:51,042 --> 00:22:52,942
unexplained activity
in your home,
479
00:22:52,944 --> 00:22:55,811
go to the "Dead Files"
page at travelchannel.com.
480
00:22:55,813 --> 00:22:57,546
Click on "Help Me, Dead Files!"
to submit your story,
481
00:22:57,548 --> 00:22:58,480
and we'll help
if we can.
482
00:23:08,516 --> 00:23:10,650
Another thing caught
my eye in research.
483
00:23:10,652 --> 00:23:13,186
There was a deadly explosion
back in the 1930s
484
00:23:13,188 --> 00:23:15,188
right down the road
from Bobbie's house.
485
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:17,156
I'm on my way to meet with
a local professor who says,
486
00:23:17,158 --> 00:23:18,958
when the dust settled,
the streets were littered
487
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,994
with the burned bodies
of the victims.
488
00:23:28,837 --> 00:23:30,036
Well, Michael,
thanks for meeting with me.
489
00:23:30,038 --> 00:23:31,404
I appreciate that.
490
00:23:31,406 --> 00:23:33,306
You mentioned on the phone
this explosion was pure carnage.
491
00:23:33,308 --> 00:23:34,307
I mean, what the hell happened?
492
00:23:34,309 --> 00:23:37,076
On June 27th, 1934,
493
00:23:37,078 --> 00:23:40,380
about 2 miles from the house
you're investigating,
494
00:23:40,382 --> 00:23:43,082
there was a fire
at the Denn Powder Company.
495
00:23:43,084 --> 00:23:45,485
And they were in the middle
of mixing a batch of about
496
00:23:45,487 --> 00:23:47,387
3,000 pounds of dynamite.
497
00:23:47,389 --> 00:23:49,956
An electrical piece of equipment
started to spark,
498
00:23:49,958 --> 00:23:52,492
caught fire and set
the building on fire.
499
00:23:52,494 --> 00:23:56,429
Moments after that,
the first of two gigantic
500
00:23:56,431 --> 00:23:57,897
explosions takes place.
501
00:23:57,899 --> 00:23:59,465
How big of a blast
are we talking about?
502
00:23:59,467 --> 00:24:00,867
Well, we're talking
about an explosion
503
00:24:00,869 --> 00:24:02,802
that would have
blown people off their feet
504
00:24:02,804 --> 00:24:04,170
a quarter of a mile away.
505
00:24:04,172 --> 00:24:05,171
Wow.
506
00:24:05,173 --> 00:24:07,540
The blast concussion
blew out windows
507
00:24:07,542 --> 00:24:09,175
in houses 2 miles away.
508
00:24:09,177 --> 00:24:12,378
And 20 miles away, in Tacoma,
people heard
509
00:24:12,380 --> 00:24:14,247
and felt the concussion.
510
00:24:14,249 --> 00:24:16,082
So where my clients live,
those windows
511
00:24:16,084 --> 00:24:18,284
would have been blown out,
had they been there?
512
00:24:18,286 --> 00:24:20,586
Yeah. People thought it was
an earthquake.
513
00:24:20,588 --> 00:24:23,523
We're close to Mount Rainier
here, an active volcano.
514
00:24:23,525 --> 00:24:27,293
So some people imagined that it
was blowing off of the volcano.
515
00:24:27,295 --> 00:24:28,728
As you can see
from this photograph
516
00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:30,263
taken soon after the blast,
517
00:24:30,265 --> 00:24:32,131
it was a rural area.
518
00:24:32,133 --> 00:24:36,069
Most amazingly,
we have news reel footage.
519
00:24:36,071 --> 00:24:39,272
A news reel photographer
arrived on the site
520
00:24:39,274 --> 00:24:43,843
and began to shoot movie
film right there.
521
00:24:43,845 --> 00:24:46,346
What was the final body count
at the end of all this?
522
00:24:46,348 --> 00:24:48,081
Eleven people killed,
523
00:24:48,083 --> 00:24:50,917
seven killed immediately
on site.
524
00:24:50,919 --> 00:24:52,418
What do we know
about the victims?
525
00:24:52,420 --> 00:24:53,953
Two women were on the site.
526
00:24:53,955 --> 00:24:57,690
One of the women, Hazel Eppley,
she was caught in the explosion,
527
00:24:57,692 --> 00:25:00,493
thrown 100 feet in the air
and killed instantly.
528
00:25:00,495 --> 00:25:04,630
Her actual clothes and shoes and
stuff were found on the site.
529
00:25:04,632 --> 00:25:05,631
You're kidding?
530
00:25:05,633 --> 00:25:07,066
Did they ever rebuild?
531
00:25:07,068 --> 00:25:09,202
No.
It was never opened again.
532
00:25:13,141 --> 00:25:15,008
I just see, like,
people burning.
533
00:25:15,010 --> 00:25:19,345
Like, I'm seeing people
being, like, cremated.
534
00:25:19,347 --> 00:25:20,446
Where do you see that?
535
00:25:20,448 --> 00:25:23,383
It's, like, outside,
like, you know.
536
00:25:23,385 --> 00:25:25,985
I see, like, grass and trees.
537
00:25:25,987 --> 00:25:27,053
Any idea when?
538
00:25:27,055 --> 00:25:30,089
I assume it was long time ago.
539
00:25:30,091 --> 00:25:31,724
I'm not seeing houses.
540
00:25:31,726 --> 00:25:34,494
I would assume it was
before the houses were built.
541
00:25:34,496 --> 00:25:36,195
How many people
do you see burning?
542
00:25:36,197 --> 00:25:37,563
Five to seven?
543
00:25:37,565 --> 00:25:39,032
Do you know who's doing it?
544
00:25:39,034 --> 00:25:41,634
That's the really strange thing
545
00:25:41,636 --> 00:25:46,839
is I don't see any people
around the fires.
546
00:25:46,841 --> 00:25:48,274
It's weird though because, like,
547
00:25:48,276 --> 00:25:51,477
I don't see anybody
doing it to them.
548
00:25:51,479 --> 00:25:54,280
Just these bodies are on fire.
549
00:26:00,655 --> 00:26:03,222
I saw several disturbing things
during my walk,
550
00:26:03,224 --> 00:26:04,524
but two stood out.
551
00:26:04,526 --> 00:26:06,926
First, the teen
who committed suicide.
552
00:26:06,928 --> 00:26:11,030
He had kind of a slight build,
553
00:26:11,032 --> 00:26:13,399
like, kind of
a narrower face.
554
00:26:13,401 --> 00:26:15,368
Chin's kind of straighter.
555
00:26:15,370 --> 00:26:19,739
His eyes were the most
intense thing.
556
00:26:19,741 --> 00:26:22,909
Next, I described the dead woman
tormenting the living girl
557
00:26:22,911 --> 00:26:24,377
in her bedroom.
558
00:26:24,379 --> 00:26:31,184
I saw this woman, dead woman,
leaning over the bed.
559
00:26:31,186 --> 00:26:36,155
And her jaw also was, like,
really extended,
560
00:26:36,157 --> 00:26:40,726
so completely unnatural
for a living person.
561
00:26:40,728 --> 00:26:43,029
Amy, is this what you saw?
562
00:26:43,031 --> 00:26:44,931
Yes, that's what I saw.
563
00:27:05,253 --> 00:27:08,154
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
564
00:27:08,156 --> 00:27:10,256
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
565
00:27:10,258 --> 00:27:13,125
and our clients
for the first time.
566
00:27:13,127 --> 00:27:14,260
Amy, I'd like you
to meet Bobbie.
567
00:27:14,262 --> 00:27:16,262
This is her mother, Betty.
568
00:27:16,264 --> 00:27:18,698
Ever since Bobbie moved in here
with her two kids,
569
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:19,899
activity has been
out of control,
570
00:27:19,901 --> 00:27:21,934
and it's getting worse.
571
00:27:21,936 --> 00:27:23,636
I have a photo of the kids here.
572
00:27:23,638 --> 00:27:25,571
This is Dylan, who's 13?
573
00:27:25,573 --> 00:27:26,939
Yes.
574
00:27:26,941 --> 00:27:29,875
And this is Morgan,
who's 19 and is special needs.
575
00:27:29,877 --> 00:27:31,811
Bobbie called us in
because she believes
576
00:27:31,813 --> 00:27:33,746
whatever's here
is going after the kids.
577
00:27:33,748 --> 00:27:36,816
And if we can't help them,
someone's going to get killed.
578
00:27:36,818 --> 00:27:38,684
So now that Amy knows
a little bit
579
00:27:38,686 --> 00:27:40,019
about you guys
and what's going on,
580
00:27:40,021 --> 00:27:41,921
I'm going to ask her
to describe her walk.
581
00:27:45,927 --> 00:27:50,763
So there's actually quite a bit
of activity in the backyard.
582
00:27:50,765 --> 00:27:56,502
What I saw was about five to
seven bodies that were burning.
583
00:27:56,504 --> 00:28:01,474
I didn't see who had
created the fires,
584
00:28:01,476 --> 00:28:04,477
but it seems to
have happened prior
585
00:28:04,479 --> 00:28:06,679
to there being structures.
586
00:28:06,681 --> 00:28:08,948
So it left a lot of questions
in my mind,
587
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:10,649
and it was pretty frustrating.
588
00:28:10,651 --> 00:28:13,252
I think I'm going to be able
to un-frustrate you on this one.
589
00:28:13,254 --> 00:28:16,088
This place was pretty rural back
in the 1930s
590
00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:17,590
with almost no houses.
591
00:28:17,592 --> 00:28:19,825
But less than 2 miles from here,
there was a dynamite plant
592
00:28:19,827 --> 00:28:22,261
called The J.A. Denn
Powder Company.
593
00:28:22,263 --> 00:28:26,165
On June 27th, 1934, a fire
started in one of the buildings.
594
00:28:26,167 --> 00:28:28,834
The fire ignited 3,000
pounds of dynamite
595
00:28:28,836 --> 00:28:30,102
that they we're making.
596
00:28:30,104 --> 00:28:33,039
Now, the expert I talked to said
the blast was so massive
597
00:28:33,041 --> 00:28:34,373
that people were
knocked off their feet
598
00:28:34,375 --> 00:28:36,375
about a quarter of a mile away.
599
00:28:36,377 --> 00:28:39,378
This house is less than 2 miles
from where that blast was.
600
00:28:39,380 --> 00:28:41,447
People that did have houses
here during that time,
601
00:28:41,449 --> 00:28:43,482
their windows were blown out.
602
00:28:43,484 --> 00:28:46,685
So I've actually got
some footage of the scene.
603
00:28:46,687 --> 00:28:47,486
You got to watch this.
604
00:28:47,488 --> 00:28:49,922
This is pretty devastating.
605
00:28:52,527 --> 00:28:54,427
Look at the tree.
606
00:28:54,429 --> 00:28:56,495
You said that you saw
five to seven bodies?
607
00:28:56,497 --> 00:28:57,663
Yes.
608
00:28:57,665 --> 00:28:59,765
Now, when it was all over,
11 people died.
609
00:28:59,767 --> 00:29:01,867
Seven died immediately.
610
00:29:01,869 --> 00:29:04,804
Most of the victims were male
employees, but one stood out:
611
00:29:04,806 --> 00:29:07,706
37-year-old female
Hazel Eppley.
612
00:29:07,708 --> 00:29:09,775
When the blast hit,
she was thrown about 100 feet
613
00:29:09,777 --> 00:29:11,644
in the air and died instantly.
614
00:29:11,646 --> 00:29:14,447
I managed to track down
her coroner's report.
615
00:29:20,621 --> 00:29:21,987
Now, do you think
this is what you saw?
616
00:29:21,989 --> 00:29:24,023
Yes.
617
00:29:24,025 --> 00:29:26,559
I mean, it's interesting
about the female though
618
00:29:26,561 --> 00:29:31,363
because I was
in the back bedroom, over here.
619
00:29:31,365 --> 00:29:34,133
I encountered a dead
female there.
620
00:29:34,135 --> 00:29:37,169
She had died a brutal death.
621
00:29:37,171 --> 00:29:40,206
I did figure out that she was
one of the people
622
00:29:40,208 --> 00:29:41,540
that was burning.
623
00:29:41,542 --> 00:29:44,844
So you think this woman
might be this Hazel Eppley?
624
00:29:44,846 --> 00:29:46,846
It's a good possibility.
625
00:29:46,848 --> 00:29:48,180
Wow.
626
00:29:48,182 --> 00:29:50,983
So what I saw her doing
specifically to the living,
627
00:29:50,985 --> 00:29:53,219
in that back bedroom
with the red bedspread,
628
00:29:53,221 --> 00:29:57,189
was I saw her coming into
the wall over the person.
629
00:29:57,191 --> 00:30:00,226
She's constantly
touching the person.
630
00:30:00,228 --> 00:30:04,130
I also got her hitting the
person in the head repeatedly.
631
00:30:07,001 --> 00:30:10,402
One of the things that she does
with the living back there
632
00:30:10,404 --> 00:30:14,340
is that she will
give them nightmares.
633
00:30:14,342 --> 00:30:17,977
Amy, that room you're talking
about, it's Bobbie's room.
634
00:30:17,979 --> 00:30:20,246
Now you're talking about
getting touched and everything.
635
00:30:20,248 --> 00:30:22,348
You explained that to me.
636
00:30:22,350 --> 00:30:25,451
Getting my hair pulled,
getting my shirt tugged on.
637
00:30:25,453 --> 00:30:29,221
But I'm also having
night terrors.
638
00:30:29,223 --> 00:30:32,424
Oh, okay.
Interesting.
639
00:30:32,426 --> 00:30:34,693
So what else did you
see on the walk?
640
00:30:34,695 --> 00:30:37,663
I encountered another
dead person,
641
00:30:37,665 --> 00:30:41,367
and he was showing me
when he was younger.
642
00:30:41,369 --> 00:30:44,136
I saw him as a teenager,
and then I saw him older,
643
00:30:44,138 --> 00:30:45,938
like, in his 20s.
644
00:30:45,940 --> 00:30:49,275
What I got with him was that
he was extremely confused,
645
00:30:49,277 --> 00:30:52,778
very lost and very depressed.
646
00:30:52,780 --> 00:30:54,947
He was extremely
afraid of people
647
00:30:54,949 --> 00:30:58,184
because he had
been hurt many times.
648
00:30:58,186 --> 00:31:01,720
When I saw him, I got a lot
of upper body pain
649
00:31:01,722 --> 00:31:05,090
and then a horrible,
horrible taste in my mouth.
650
00:31:05,092 --> 00:31:06,892
I think he committed suicide.
651
00:31:09,564 --> 00:31:11,363
The other thing is
he's not always here.
652
00:31:11,365 --> 00:31:12,631
He comes and goes.
653
00:31:12,633 --> 00:31:13,999
I couldn't figure out
the relationship
654
00:31:14,001 --> 00:31:15,568
to this house with him.
655
00:31:15,570 --> 00:31:19,505
Perhaps in life and in death,
he was being dragged back here.
656
00:31:19,507 --> 00:31:22,675
Well, Bobbie, I think we both
know who she's talking about.
657
00:31:22,677 --> 00:31:25,277
Why don't you tell
her about Jared?
658
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:26,946
Jared was my step-son.
659
00:31:26,948 --> 00:31:31,650
When he was 21,
he committed suicide.
660
00:31:31,652 --> 00:31:36,222
He shot himself in the head
at his biological mom's house,
661
00:31:36,224 --> 00:31:39,625
and he was exactly
as you described him:
662
00:31:39,627 --> 00:31:41,627
very, very depressed,
663
00:31:41,629 --> 00:31:44,730
but putting on a lot of love
664
00:31:44,732 --> 00:31:46,832
and silliness for everyone.
665
00:31:46,834 --> 00:31:49,935
I think he comes and goes
to check on the kids.
666
00:31:49,937 --> 00:31:51,804
I've thought that
since it happened.
667
00:31:51,806 --> 00:31:54,306
Here's a picture of Jared
right here with the kids
668
00:31:54,308 --> 00:31:56,842
when they were younger.
669
00:31:56,844 --> 00:31:58,444
Do you think that's
the kid you saw?
670
00:31:58,446 --> 00:32:01,447
I had a sketch done
of the person that I saw.
671
00:32:06,387 --> 00:32:09,922
Oh, I can see this
looking like him.
672
00:32:09,924 --> 00:32:11,390
Oh, my God.
673
00:32:11,392 --> 00:32:13,325
You know, his eyes is
what really gets me.
674
00:32:13,327 --> 00:32:15,060
The eyes and the eyebrows.
675
00:32:15,062 --> 00:32:18,030
Precious boy.
676
00:32:18,032 --> 00:32:21,133
You said to me that you thought
he was here from time to time,
677
00:32:21,135 --> 00:32:22,968
and, apparently, you were right.
678
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:24,903
That makes me really sad.
679
00:32:24,905 --> 00:32:29,108
He had such a hard life,
and now he's still having
680
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:31,443
a hard time in this transition.
681
00:32:36,784 --> 00:32:38,751
One of the dead
I'm most concerned about
682
00:32:38,753 --> 00:32:40,386
is a very angry male,
683
00:32:40,388 --> 00:32:41,854
and, when I met him,
684
00:32:41,856 --> 00:32:46,191
I almost fell down
from the force of anger
685
00:32:46,193 --> 00:32:48,961
and rage and hatred.
686
00:32:48,963 --> 00:32:50,796
To me, he looks gigantic.
687
00:32:50,798 --> 00:32:54,300
I'm extremely concerned about
this particular dead person.
688
00:32:54,302 --> 00:32:57,703
He came off as, like,
a real beast.
689
00:32:57,705 --> 00:33:01,173
Throughout my walk,
I could barely function
690
00:33:01,175 --> 00:33:03,776
because of his presence.
691
00:33:03,778 --> 00:33:07,980
He feels like this is his space
and nobody who is alive
692
00:33:07,982 --> 00:33:10,616
should be in these areas.
693
00:33:10,618 --> 00:33:14,820
And he can do something about it
because he is very violent.
694
00:33:14,822 --> 00:33:18,757
For instance, he grabbed
the back of my neck,
695
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:21,093
and he took his hand away,
and then it grew.
696
00:33:21,095 --> 00:33:23,195
Like, the pain grew.
697
00:33:23,197 --> 00:33:25,464
And I was like, "Whoa."
698
00:33:25,466 --> 00:33:27,700
I've never had that happen.
699
00:33:27,702 --> 00:33:32,104
He can also create
emotional change within people.
700
00:33:32,106 --> 00:33:35,741
The reason why is
because he's so angry.
701
00:33:35,743 --> 00:33:38,177
Basically, if you're
in one of his areas,
702
00:33:38,179 --> 00:33:40,646
your personality can,
like, change like that,
703
00:33:40,648 --> 00:33:43,882
and you can fly
into a rage.
704
00:33:43,884 --> 00:33:45,951
Well, you described a lot
of the experiences
705
00:33:45,953 --> 00:33:47,486
the family's been having.
706
00:33:47,488 --> 00:33:49,254
I'm sure you noticed
Betty's sling.
707
00:33:49,256 --> 00:33:52,291
Betty, tell Amy about
how the fall took place.
708
00:33:52,293 --> 00:33:55,427
We were cleaning the garage,
and I was out on the driveway.
709
00:33:55,429 --> 00:33:57,596
Suddenly, I was just
on the ground,
710
00:33:57,598 --> 00:34:00,399
but there was
absolutely no reason
711
00:34:00,401 --> 00:34:02,134
for me to have fallen.
712
00:34:02,136 --> 00:34:03,736
Is he capable of that?
713
00:34:03,738 --> 00:34:05,571
Yes, yes.
714
00:34:08,075 --> 00:34:09,541
Amy, you also said
this guy grabbed you
715
00:34:09,543 --> 00:34:10,943
by the back of the neck.
716
00:34:10,945 --> 00:34:12,077
Yes.
717
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,012
Now Dylan described
his headaches to me.
718
00:34:14,014 --> 00:34:16,382
He gets headaches that feel
like someone is squeezing
719
00:34:16,384 --> 00:34:18,016
his head all the way around,
720
00:34:18,018 --> 00:34:20,786
and he'll get flashing
light migraines,
721
00:34:20,788 --> 00:34:23,355
and he kind
of blacks out.
722
00:34:23,357 --> 00:34:24,890
You mentioned
the personality changes.
723
00:34:24,892 --> 00:34:28,360
Dylan can be the funniest,
happiest, brightest,
724
00:34:28,362 --> 00:34:31,397
most congenial boy in the car
on the way home from school.
725
00:34:31,399 --> 00:34:34,633
He can get 1 to 2 feet away from
the door to come in the house,
726
00:34:34,635 --> 00:34:36,135
and his mood switches like this.
727
00:34:36,137 --> 00:34:37,403
His face changes.
728
00:34:37,405 --> 00:34:40,172
As soon as we leave,
he'll be fine again.
729
00:34:40,174 --> 00:34:42,141
The majority of what
you're talking about,
730
00:34:42,143 --> 00:34:43,942
I think, has to do with him,
731
00:34:43,944 --> 00:34:47,746
but there's also
something else going on too.
732
00:34:47,748 --> 00:34:51,283
I encountered a deceased woman
during my walk.
733
00:34:51,285 --> 00:34:52,885
I am concerned about her.
734
00:34:52,887 --> 00:34:57,456
She appeared, initially,
to be stuck in her death state.
735
00:34:57,458 --> 00:35:00,559
Very terrifying,
pretty graphic and gory,
736
00:35:00,561 --> 00:35:02,327
like a walking corpse.
737
00:35:02,329 --> 00:35:05,164
She had tree limbs
sticking out of her.
738
00:35:05,166 --> 00:35:08,400
I believe that
she was murdered.
739
00:35:08,402 --> 00:35:11,703
So she has
a lot of hate in her.
740
00:35:11,705 --> 00:35:14,473
I didn't come across any female
murder victims in my research,
741
00:35:14,475 --> 00:35:16,542
but you said you're
concerned about her?
742
00:35:16,544 --> 00:35:21,180
Yes. She can harm the living
and do bad things.
743
00:35:21,182 --> 00:35:25,484
She specifically goes to
the room at the end of the hall.
744
00:35:25,486 --> 00:35:29,488
I got that the person that she
was messing with was a female
745
00:35:29,490 --> 00:35:32,424
and was about
17 years of age.
746
00:35:34,628 --> 00:35:38,263
I saw her leaning over
this female,
747
00:35:38,265 --> 00:35:40,499
and this was odd.
748
00:35:40,501 --> 00:35:42,768
So she's, like, leaning,
and she's cupping her face,
749
00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:47,039
and then she's drooling
into the girl's mouth.
750
00:35:47,041 --> 00:35:51,343
I think whoever is back there
has experiences with her.
751
00:35:51,345 --> 00:35:53,011
I think that there
would be illnesses
752
00:35:53,013 --> 00:35:56,715
because this dead female's
with her all the time.
753
00:35:56,717 --> 00:36:00,953
And, essentially, she's slowly
taking this person's life.
754
00:36:00,955 --> 00:36:04,356
I knew it.
I knew it.
755
00:36:04,358 --> 00:36:07,726
Well, Amy, that bedroom you're
talking about is Morgan's room.
756
00:36:07,728 --> 00:36:09,795
That's been one
of the greatest fears
757
00:36:09,797 --> 00:36:12,030
is that she would be
under attack,
758
00:36:12,032 --> 00:36:14,967
and we wouldn't know
because she couldn't express it.
759
00:36:14,969 --> 00:36:18,570
I had a sketch done of what I
saw in your daughter's bedroom.
760
00:36:22,843 --> 00:36:25,777
I just want to prepare you,
it's not great.
761
00:36:30,718 --> 00:36:32,050
Oh, dear God.
762
00:36:32,052 --> 00:36:36,955
That look on her face
in this picture will haunt me.
763
00:36:36,957 --> 00:36:38,724
Horrifying, yeah.
764
00:36:38,726 --> 00:36:40,692
That's terrible.
765
00:36:40,694 --> 00:36:42,961
It's like a worst nightmare.
766
00:36:42,963 --> 00:36:48,333
I just want to get
this thing away from her.
767
00:36:48,335 --> 00:36:52,037
And I just want to get out
my hands on this thing.
768
00:37:06,620 --> 00:37:08,353
There's another entity
I encountered
769
00:37:08,355 --> 00:37:10,155
that's even a bigger threat
770
00:37:10,157 --> 00:37:14,326
than all the other dead people
I've talked about.
771
00:37:14,328 --> 00:37:17,029
It creates a lot
of negativity for you.
772
00:37:17,031 --> 00:37:18,497
The interesting thing
about the entity
773
00:37:18,499 --> 00:37:19,965
that I got when I was here
774
00:37:19,967 --> 00:37:23,335
was that it likes
to turn good people bad.
775
00:37:23,337 --> 00:37:27,973
And it doesn't prey on the weak,
which is unusual.
776
00:37:27,975 --> 00:37:30,942
But this thing likes
a challenge.
777
00:37:30,944 --> 00:37:33,612
So it prefers
to pick stronger people.
778
00:37:33,614 --> 00:37:37,349
So, initially, I didn't
understand fully what it was.
779
00:37:37,351 --> 00:37:41,386
But later on, I figured out
that it was in fact
780
00:37:41,388 --> 00:37:43,322
a demonic-type entity.
781
00:37:46,026 --> 00:37:49,594
You and your mom both thought
that Dylan was possessed.
782
00:37:49,596 --> 00:37:50,829
Wait, what?
783
00:37:50,831 --> 00:37:52,664
Tell Amy what happened.
784
00:37:52,666 --> 00:37:58,103
Dylan was taking a bath,
and he was getting too wild,
785
00:37:58,105 --> 00:37:59,871
then he started saying,
786
00:37:59,873 --> 00:38:04,643
"Please, God, don't
let him take me!"
787
00:38:04,645 --> 00:38:06,878
And he became so hysterical.
788
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,148
He sat in the living room chair
for 45 minutes,
789
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:13,518
unable to see me even though
I was right in front of him.
790
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,420
And then, all of a sudden,
he just looked at me
791
00:38:15,422 --> 00:38:17,422
and kind of went, like,
792
00:38:17,424 --> 00:38:20,158
"Oh, Mom.
What are you doing?"
793
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,362
I'm very worried
about your kids.
794
00:38:23,364 --> 00:38:26,832
Your daughter is slowing
being killed.
795
00:38:28,969 --> 00:38:33,171
And your son is being possessed
796
00:38:33,173 --> 00:38:36,408
and could ultimately
lose his battle,
797
00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:39,411
and who knows
what could happen then?
798
00:38:39,413 --> 00:38:41,480
Oh, my God.
799
00:38:41,482 --> 00:38:46,418
Nobody should be putting
their hands on my kids.
800
00:38:46,420 --> 00:38:47,652
I'm just shaking.
801
00:38:47,654 --> 00:38:51,323
I am so upset by all of this.
802
00:38:51,325 --> 00:38:54,359
This cannot keep happening.
803
00:38:54,361 --> 00:38:57,829
I won't let it happen.
804
00:38:57,831 --> 00:39:01,833
And I'll do anything,
805
00:39:01,835 --> 00:39:05,237
anything to stop it.
806
00:39:08,709 --> 00:39:11,643
Well, Bobbie, Betty,
you've heard a lot tonight,
807
00:39:11,645 --> 00:39:13,645
probably a hell of a lot
more than you bargained for.
808
00:39:13,647 --> 00:39:15,046
Yeah.
Oh, yes.
809
00:39:15,048 --> 00:39:17,416
But we still haven't answered
your biggest question.
810
00:39:17,418 --> 00:39:19,584
Can you stay here safely
with your family,
811
00:39:19,586 --> 00:39:21,219
or is the only option
812
00:39:21,221 --> 00:39:24,523
to just pack up
with the kids and leave?
813
00:39:24,525 --> 00:39:26,391
For that answer, I'm going to
turn it over to Amy.
814
00:39:30,597 --> 00:39:33,532
If you were to stay,
what you would need to do
815
00:39:33,534 --> 00:39:37,202
is find a demonologist.
816
00:39:37,204 --> 00:39:42,374
The demonologist would probably
not be able to remove the demon.
817
00:39:44,912 --> 00:39:48,380
But it would be
more of keeping it
818
00:39:48,382 --> 00:39:52,918
at bay from your home
and your children.
819
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,587
The problem with that
820
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:58,690
is that it
would be an ongoing battle.
821
00:40:00,794 --> 00:40:04,796
I don't know if you would want
to live that way.
822
00:40:04,798 --> 00:40:06,731
After that,
you'd still have to deal
823
00:40:06,733 --> 00:40:08,567
with all of the dead people.
824
00:40:08,569 --> 00:40:10,769
If you were in their shoes,
what would you do?
825
00:40:13,674 --> 00:40:16,308
I would leave.
826
00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:17,943
I'm sorry.
827
00:40:17,945 --> 00:40:20,245
Oh, my God.
828
00:40:20,247 --> 00:40:22,981
If they leave, do they have
to do anything else?
829
00:40:22,983 --> 00:40:24,483
Yes.
830
00:40:24,485 --> 00:40:26,485
You would go to the place that
the demonologist has set aside.
831
00:40:26,487 --> 00:40:30,489
The team that that person
has put together
832
00:40:30,491 --> 00:40:33,825
would then remove
all attachments
833
00:40:33,827 --> 00:40:35,794
and also, more than likely,
834
00:40:35,796 --> 00:40:41,032
perform an exorcism
on your son and your daughter
835
00:40:41,034 --> 00:40:43,635
just to make sure
that all is clear.
836
00:40:43,637 --> 00:40:48,206
Okay?
Oh, my God.
837
00:40:48,208 --> 00:40:50,709
I'm so sorry.
838
00:40:57,217 --> 00:41:00,619
This is devastating,
really devastating.
839
00:41:00,621 --> 00:41:02,120
I'm sorry.
840
00:41:02,122 --> 00:41:05,390
They get the demonologist in,
they exorcise the kids,
841
00:41:05,392 --> 00:41:06,758
then she leaves.
842
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,026
Will she start to feel better?
843
00:41:08,028 --> 00:41:09,694
Will the kids start
to feel better?
844
00:41:09,696 --> 00:41:13,498
Yes.
Oh, my gosh, yes.
845
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:14,933
What are you going to do?
846
00:41:14,935 --> 00:41:17,035
I'm going to find myself
a new place to live,
847
00:41:17,037 --> 00:41:18,837
and I'm going to call
the demonologist,
848
00:41:18,839 --> 00:41:21,072
and I'm going to get it done.
849
00:41:21,074 --> 00:41:23,241
And I'm going to help her
because I can't do
850
00:41:23,243 --> 00:41:25,644
without my grandchildren.
851
00:41:25,646 --> 00:41:26,978
We've already lost one.
852
00:41:26,980 --> 00:41:30,615
I'm not going to lose my others,
not going to do it.
853
00:41:30,617 --> 00:41:33,752
The only way Bobbie can
save her family
854
00:41:33,754 --> 00:41:36,721
is to move as far away
as possible.
855
00:41:36,723 --> 00:41:39,224
If she does that and contacts
a demonologist
856
00:41:39,226 --> 00:41:40,959
to remove all attachments,
857
00:41:40,961 --> 00:41:43,194
she and her kids
can begin to heal
858
00:41:43,196 --> 00:41:45,263
and live a peaceful life.
859
00:41:45,313 --> 00:41:49,863
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