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He does not want us here.

He like, just, assaults people quick.

There is no question in my mind that he was talking about Satan.

He was just a [bleep] monster.

The devil was trying to take me.

Very abusive.

I can barely function in here.

This seems like a possession.

My name is Amy Allan.

Everything was built on blood.

I see dead people.

Very disturbing.

I speak to dead people.

There's victims around him.

Ow. And they speak to me.

Her voice sounds like death.

But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.

The living don't stand a chance here.

I rely on my partner.

I'm Steve Di Schiavi.

I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.

You could have got killed.

I know every person, every house, has secrets.

This is coming straight from hell.

It's my job to reveal them.

Your mom was murdered right here in this room?

Yes, she was.

But Steve and I never speak...

We never communicate during an investigation.

Until the very end.

This was just the beginning.

When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...

Oh, my God.

Or time to get out.

They're very bad.

This house is going to kill me.

I'm in Olympia, Washington, about an hour south of Seattle.

I got a call from a woman named Bobbie.

Now, she lives with her mom and her two kids.

One of them is special needs.

She says they're all under attack,

and if we can't fix this,

she thinks somebody's going to get seriously hurt.

Before Amy arrives, I clear the area

of any leading information.

Religious icons, family photos

and personal items can influence her findings,

so it's important I cover or remove them all.

When I'm done, the location will be ready for tonight's walk.

This place is really, really bad for the living.

The area, in general, has seen a lot of issues.

Something here makes people

do bad things

to themselves or to others.

So there's something here that makes people die.

So, Bobbie, when we spoke on the phone,

you were obviously upset.

What the hell's going on here?

Everything is just kind of crazy.

I mean, family members are getting attacked,

and I don't know

how to protect my kids from it, keep them safe.

We just really need some help.

Who lives in the house now?

Right now, it's myself, my mom, Betty, my son, Dylan, who's 13,

and my daughter, Morgan.

She's 19. She has special needs.

She looks like a sweet kid.

You know, she is so innocent,

I worry that it's going to set her up

to be more vulnerable

to some sort of paranormal attack.

Give me an idea of what you guys are going through in the house.

We have everything from footsteps,

disembodied voices,

feeling like you're being watched.

Her physical health is declining.

So is everybody being affected?

Mostly just my mom and my son.

You know, my son is seeing things in his room,

being attacked physically.

How bad are the physical attacks?

They're really bad, actually.

My mom just fell and broke her arm in two places.

And you think whatever caused her to fall was paranormal?

Absolutely. I watched her.

I can tell you she didn't trip over anything.

When did the activity start?

About 5 years ago.

Any theories on what sparked it?

We lost my step-son.

He passed away at the age of 21.

How'd he die?

He committed suicide.

He shot himself.

Did you guys have any idea he was having problems?

We saw a lot of depression, anger flares.

You know, I thought that he was kind of lost in his life.

Did he die in the house?

No, he passed away at his mother's place.

Did he come by the house a lot?

Almost every day.

Okay.

That's Jared there with the kids.

Looks like the kids loved him, huh?

They loved him very much.

Okay.

'Kay...

I just feel like, if I had been there...

You can't really blame yourself.

You think he's here?

I think that he comes and checks in on the kids.

I'm seeing, like, this dead guy.

This person's very lost,

and depressed,

and confused.

I'm not exactly sure what killed him.

I thought, like, he had head pain?

Feel like it was a suicide.

I'm trying to understand his relationship to this home

because he keeps showing me a different house.

Can you describe him?

Like, I'm seeing him at a younger age then

when he would have died if...

Say he was, mm, probably about 14 or 15.

I think he, like, got dragged back here.

He had to come back, and he didn't want to.

He's, like, not happy about that.

So, Bobbie, I assume this is your bedroom?

Yes. All right.

So what kind of experiences are you having in here?

I always have a problem feeling like my hair

and my clothes are being pulled at.

When I look, there's never anything there.

What kind of a tug are we talking about?

Like a get-your-attention kind of tug.

It gets really overwhelming and frustrating.

Okay, anything else?

There's a really overwhelming sensation of being

watched all the time.

Like some peeping Tom's looking at you?

Yeah, somebody's watching every move you make

and that, any second,

they might just reach out and grab you.

That's got to be uneasy for you to sleep

then if you think somebody's watching you?

I don't sleep all that well because I have a real problem

with night terrors.

Can you describe them,

or is it something that you don't remember?

They all have the same kind of theme,

where something frightening is happening,

and I have to get to my kids and get them to safety.

The night terrors got so strong and so frequent that they had

to put me on a medication.

Did it help? It did, actually.

I had five or six night terrors a night.

Now I only have one or two.

I don't like this area.

Something weird is happening back here.

This might be a nightmare they're having

because it's too weird.

This person, like, wakes up and thinks, like, they're dead.

Ow.

Living person got hit on the head.

Oh, yeah, a couple times here.

It's a dead person, like, it's a female,

and she's all burnt.

Messing with their head.

It's touching them, touching them.

Messing with them all the time, all the time.

Messing, messing, messing with them.

Can I assume you've had experiences in this room?

Yes, this is actually

one of the more active rooms in the house.

I've actually seen child figures.

All right. Can you describe what one looked like?

It was like an extra dark space.

Like, a very wide person just came rushing straight at me.

It must have scared the hell out of you?

Yes. My palms are sweating just thinking about it.

Just thinking about it, right? Yeah.

All right, anything else?

There are a lot of physical attacks happening in the house.

Like what? There's scratches.

Dylan had one that came from his groin

all the way down to his ankle,

and it was blood red.

Anything else?

You know, there's an incident that happened with Dylan

that comes to mind.

There was a night where he was taking a bath,

and he started crying,

"God, I don't want to be bad!

Please don't let him take me, God!

Please don't let him take me!"

And he was hysterical.

He would just keep screaming, and it terrifies me

that something really is going to come after my kids

that I can't rescue them from,

and it really is going to take their sweet little souls.

It was the most frightening thing

that I think I've ever seen.

Do you have any idea who he was talking about?

There's no question in my mind that he was talking about Satan.

Do you feel it had a lasting affect on him?

He's never been the same since then.

He's really withdrawn, mood swings, outbursts,

fighting with his sister aggressively.

It's affecting everybody.

Everybody.

There's a big man just yelling at everybody.

He's overbearing.

Just takes up the entire [bleep] space.

This guy, he makes everything, like, shake,

like an earthquake.

And it's weird how he, like, interacts with the living.

Waves of anger and yelling.

The living would experience that, like, sudden onset rage

which could, obviously,

change their personality for the time that he's around.

I can barely function in here.

So, Betty, I understand you're Bobbie's mom.

I am.

Now, she told me about the fall,

and I can see you're still in recovery mode.

Yeah. What happened that day?

I was cleaning the garage, and the next thing I know

I was on the ground

and pretty much out of it.

I have fallen down four times this summer.

It's getting to the point that I'm not sure I can go outside

without getting knocked down.

So do you think something might have pushed you?

Yes, because I don't have any serious health problems

that would cause that.

Something is helping me fall.

Anything else happen?

At night, something bumps into my bed with lots of muscles.

Betty, when you say with muscles,

is it an aggressive hitting to the bed?

It's very forceful, enough to wake me up.

But it's very disturbing.

Betty, I got to tell you,

I've done a lot of these cases, over 100.

And one thing I did learn is that when things get physical,

that's a really bad sign.

And it can only get worse.

Did you ever consider packing up and leaving?

No.

I just want to find the fix for it.

The angry guy who's here can get very physical with the living.

He, like, just assaults people quick.

He's, like, grabbing the neck,

doing [bleep] with people's ears.

And he comes up real quick, grabs, leaves that imprint.

Okay? That energy is still there,

and he's gone.

He's just a beast.

Oh, my God.

He does not want us here.

So, Dylan, I was talking with your mom,

and she's telling you're having a real tough time here.

Yes.

She mentioned something about, when you were younger,

something happened when you were in the bath tub?

I was just, like, crying, like, non-stop.

That's the only part I remember.

So, Dylan, what do you think happened?

I was possessed

and that they wanted me

to do something very bad,

like hurt my family.

What do you think possessed you?

Something very aggressive.

The Devil was trying to take me.

I felt bad for this poor kid, and the longer I talked to him,

the worse it got.

It was cloaked with, like,

curved horns that came like this.

Either Dylan has one wild imagination...

I've seen several different apparitions staring at me.

Or he's experienced way too much, way too young.

Chronic migraine headaches.

So what do these headaches actually feel like?

Like someone is taking their hands

and pressing on your head as hard as they can.

This dead guy, he really gets mad.

He's like, "Get the [bleep] out."

Are the living affected by him?

Yes.

He's been seen, doesn't like that.

And then he causes the physical pain,

which is the back of the neck grabbing,

back of the head grabbing.

You absolutely feel anger and hatred when he's around.

I can barely stand in here.

So, Morgan, I was talking to mom,

she said there's some scary stuff going on in the house.

Now, has anything happened to you that you can't explain?

Yes. Okay.

I only saw it, like, walk across,

into my grandma's room, and just disappeared.

Okay, what did it look like?

It was black, like, I just see the color.

What about anything else that happened?

Voices.

The voices that you hear, do you have any idea who it might be?

No.

It's a lot of voices, and I don't know

if it's male and a female.

Does that scare you?

It scared me enough that

I had to do the Lord's Prayer.

So is that what you do to try to stop it from happening?

Yes.

Sweetie, would you like to move away from here?

Yes. I'm scared, and I want to move away.

Well, we're here to try to stop that, and we'll stop the voices.

This is an issue.

There's another dead girl that's hanging out in here.

Oh, she's so weird-looking.

Part of her is kind of a zombie.

She's [bleep] with the living.

What the [bleep] is she doing?

She's, like,

just drooling on the person.

What person is she doing this to?

Whoever laying there -- looks young,

maybe 17.

Is the living person aware of this?

Yeah.

I think that this person's having nightmares about her.

The other thing is that

it's causing illness,

like really [bleep] bad.

I think this is, like, really not good for this living person.

She's definitely, like, taking this person's life, basically.

Close your eyes and randomly point to a spot

on a map of the U.S.,

chances are good you're going to find

some Native American history.

When I called on an old friend and historian, Jeff Davis,

he said what happened around Bobbie's house

was so brutal,

it will definitely help my case.

Well, Jeff, it's good to see you again.

Thanks for helping me out.

You mentioned on the phone that my client's property

had a real brutal past.

Let's start from the beginning.

Who inhabited the land? What was the story?

Well, that land used to belong to the Nisqually Indian tribe.

One of their travel routes was Woodland Creek,

which runs through your client's property.

Okay, so now what happens when the white settlers show up?

Well, in 1853, the governor of the territory, Isaac Stevens,

was tasked with removing

all the Native Americans for white settlement.

How do they go out misplacing the Nisqually?

Well, they started out by calling a treaty council

to try and get the Nisqually

and the others to just leave their land.

And the treaty was signed December 26th, 1854,

only a couple miles away from your client's property.

This is written in English, obviously.

Yes.

How many of these Native Americans spoke English?

None of them.

And this is part of the problem that comes later.

Many of them claimed, afterward, that Stevens threatened them.

And he said, "It doesn't matter whether you agree or not.

We're just going to sign for you."

They really forced sell their land for pennies an acre.

Basically, the Nisquallys got taken for a ride?

Yeah, absolutely. Okay, how'd they handle it?

Well, there were two Nisqually leaders,

Leschi and his half-brother, Quiemuth.

Here's a picture of Leschi right here.

And they basically led their people in a revolt.

How did that play out?

Well, this whole thing lasted about a year and a half.

The fighting was so bad, there was so much loss of life,

that Governor Stevens declared martial law.

So now martial law is in effect.

What happens with the leaders of the Native American tribes?

Well, later in 1856, Leschi is actually taken into custody,

and the military tries him under court martial,

and they hung Leschi in 1858.

Okay, so that's Leschi.

What happened to his brother, Quiemuth?

He actually turned himself in to Isaac Stevens.

They kept him overnight in Stevens' house,

and what they were going to do the next day

is take him and turn him over to the military.

But somebody found out about it,

and they broke into the house and stabbed Quiemuth

and killed him. All right.

So both brothers are killed. Mm-hmm.

What happens to the Nisqually tribe?

Well, without their leadership,

the tribe just lost the will to fight,

and they went on their reservation.

This is weird.

I'm getting something about improper burials.

I'm thinking that might have to do with this area

being [bleep] up.

So there's a conscious entity that I don't know

if it was ever in human form.

This entity is really powerful and really dangerous.

This thing can influence the living to a great extent

and does not, like, prey on the weak

or the vulnerable.

It likes strong, normal people, living people.

Makes people doing bad things

to themselves or to others.

So far, I've got a family with too many experiences

to even count,

on a property where Native Americans

were murdered and driven from their land.

But I want to see if there's anything else.

Searching through the archives, I've come across Hill Harman,

the original owner of my client's property.

I'm on my way to meet with a local genealogist.

She says Harman was an upstanding guy

before he moved on to Bobbie's property.

And then everything changed.

She calls him a "real-life Jekyll and Hyde."

Thanks for looking at this case for me.

I appreciate that.

What do you know about this guy?

Hill Harman, he started a lumber business,

and then he eventually opened a hotel in Olympia.

He had a good reputation.

He planned to bring women who had been orphaned

by the Civil War

out to Washington to help settle the territory.

When does he wind up on my client's property?

He gets there about mid-1860s,

and he is the first property owner there.

All right, so I get the Dr. Jekyll part

with his guy, but when does the Mr. Hyde part come out?

In 1871, he's given the contract of superintendent

of the territorial insane asylum.

He was paid 92 cents a day per patient to clothe and feed them.

That's pretty nice digs.

In addition to the money he was getting,

he was able to use the patients and inmates

as free labor in his businesses.

All right. So this guy's a crook.

Does it ever catch up to him?

Yeah. And the treatment was so bad

that he was charged with cruelty to one of the patients there,

but he was acquitted of the charges.

The medical society stepped in and fired him.

All right. So now he's out of a job.

What winds up happening to him?

Does he stay on my client's property?

No, he moved on.

He died in 1899 at the age of 76.

This guy's a real piece of work.

I'm seeing that angry guy again.

Do you get any idea of who he was in life?

I get an H name with him.

I'm seeing brown hair.

I think sometimes he's wearing glasses.

He looks like a bigger guy to me.

Any idea how he died?

I do think that he had a heart issue.

I do. So it could be multiple things.

I think he had a lot wrong with him,

and it was from all the rage he had

because he was just a [bleep] monster.

Very abusive, very physically abusive,

emotionally abusive.

He was a [bleep] nut job.

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Another thing caught my eye in research.

There was a deadly explosion back in the 1930s

right down the road from Bobbie's house.

I'm on my way to meet with a local professor who says,

when the dust settled, the streets were littered

with the burned bodies of the victims.

Well, Michael, thanks for meeting with me.

I appreciate that.

You mentioned on the phone this explosion was pure carnage.

I mean, what the hell happened?

On June 27th, 1934,

about 2 miles from the house you're investigating,

there was a fire at the Denn Powder Company.

And they were in the middle of mixing a batch of about

3,000 pounds of dynamite.

An electrical piece of equipment started to spark,

caught fire and set the building on fire.

Moments after that, the first of two gigantic

explosions takes place.

How big of a blast are we talking about?

Well, we're talking about an explosion

that would have blown people off their feet

a quarter of a mile away.

Wow.

The blast concussion blew out windows

in houses 2 miles away.

And 20 miles away, in Tacoma, people heard

and felt the concussion.

So where my clients live, those windows

would have been blown out, had they been there?

Yeah. People thought it was an earthquake.

We're close to Mount Rainier here, an active volcano.

So some people imagined that it was blowing off of the volcano.

As you can see from this photograph

taken soon after the blast,

it was a rural area.

Most amazingly, we have news reel footage.

A news reel photographer arrived on the site

and began to shoot movie film right there.

What was the final body count at the end of all this?

Eleven people killed,

seven killed immediately on site.

What do we know about the victims?

Two women were on the site.

One of the women, Hazel Eppley, she was caught in the explosion,

thrown 100 feet in the air and killed instantly.

Her actual clothes and shoes and stuff were found on the site.

You're kidding?

Did they ever rebuild?

No. It was never opened again.

I just see, like, people burning.

Like, I'm seeing people being, like, cremated.

Where do you see that?

It's, like, outside, like, you know.

I see, like, grass and trees.

Any idea when?

I assume it was long time ago.

I'm not seeing houses.

I would assume it was before the houses were built.

How many people do you see burning?

Five to seven?

Do you know who's doing it?

That's the really strange thing

is I don't see any people around the fires.

It's weird though because, like,

I don't see anybody doing it to them.

Just these bodies are on fire.

I saw several disturbing things during my walk,

but two stood out.

First, the teen who committed suicide.

He had kind of a slight build,

like, kind of a narrower face.

Chin's kind of straighter.

His eyes were the most intense thing.

Next, I described the dead woman tormenting the living girl

in her bedroom.

I saw this woman, dead woman, leaning over the bed.

And her jaw also was, like, really extended,

so completely unnatural for a living person.

Amy, is this what you saw?

Yes, that's what I saw.

Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,

we're ready to reveal our findings to each other

and our clients for the first time.

Amy, I'd like you to meet Bobbie.

This is her mother, Betty.

Ever since Bobbie moved in here with her two kids,

activity has been out of control,

and it's getting worse.

I have a photo of the kids here.

This is Dylan, who's 13?

Yes.

And this is Morgan, who's 19 and is special needs.

Bobbie called us in because she believes

whatever's here is going after the kids.

And if we can't help them, someone's going to get killed.

So now that Amy knows a little bit

about you guys and what's going on,

I'm going to ask her to describe her walk.

So there's actually quite a bit of activity in the backyard.

What I saw was about five to seven bodies that were burning.

I didn't see who had created the fires,

but it seems to have happened prior

to there being structures.

So it left a lot of questions in my mind,

and it was pretty frustrating.

I think I'm going to be able to un-frustrate you on this one.

This place was pretty rural back in the 1930s

with almost no houses.

But less than 2 miles from here, there was a dynamite plant

called The J.A. Denn Powder Company.

On June 27th, 1934, a fire started in one of the buildings.

The fire ignited 3,000 pounds of dynamite

that they we're making.

Now, the expert I talked to said the blast was so massive

that people were knocked off their feet

about a quarter of a mile away.

This house is less than 2 miles from where that blast was.

People that did have houses here during that time,

their windows were blown out.

So I've actually got some footage of the scene.

You got to watch this.

This is pretty devastating.

Look at the tree.

You said that you saw five to seven bodies?

Yes.

Now, when it was all over, 11 people died.

Seven died immediately.

Most of the victims were male employees, but one stood out:

37-year-old female Hazel Eppley.

When the blast hit, she was thrown about 100 feet

in the air and died instantly.

I managed to track down her coroner's report.

Now, do you think this is what you saw?

Yes.

I mean, it's interesting about the female though

because I was in the back bedroom, over here.

I encountered a dead female there.

She had died a brutal death.

I did figure out that she was one of the people

that was burning.

So you think this woman might be this Hazel Eppley?

It's a good possibility.

Wow.

So what I saw her doing specifically to the living,

in that back bedroom with the red bedspread,

was I saw her coming into the wall over the person.

She's constantly touching the person.

I also got her hitting the person in the head repeatedly.

One of the things that she does with the living back there

is that she will give them nightmares.

Amy, that room you're talking about, it's Bobbie's room.

Now you're talking about getting touched and everything.

You explained that to me.

Getting my hair pulled, getting my shirt tugged on.

But I'm also having night terrors.

Oh, okay. Interesting.

So what else did you see on the walk?

I encountered another dead person,

and he was showing me when he was younger.

I saw him as a teenager, and then I saw him older,

like, in his 20s.

What I got with him was that he was extremely confused,

very lost and very depressed.

He was extremely afraid of people

because he had been hurt many times.

When I saw him, I got a lot of upper body pain

and then a horrible, horrible taste in my mouth.

I think he committed suicide.

The other thing is he's not always here.

He comes and goes.

I couldn't figure out the relationship

to this house with him.

Perhaps in life and in death, he was being dragged back here.

Well, Bobbie, I think we both know who she's talking about.

Why don't you tell her about Jared?

Jared was my step-son.

When he was 21, he committed suicide.

He shot himself in the head at his biological mom's house,

and he was exactly as you described him:

very, very depressed,

but putting on a lot of love

and silliness for everyone.

I think he comes and goes to check on the kids.

I've thought that since it happened.

Here's a picture of Jared right here with the kids

when they were younger.

Do you think that's the kid you saw?

I had a sketch done of the person that I saw.

Oh, I can see this looking like him.

Oh, my God.

You know, his eyes is what really gets me.

The eyes and the eyebrows.

Precious boy.

You said to me that you thought he was here from time to time,

and, apparently, you were right.

That makes me really sad.

He had such a hard life, and now he's still having

a hard time in this transition.

One of the dead I'm most concerned about

is a very angry male,

and, when I met him,

I almost fell down from the force of anger

and rage and hatred.

To me, he looks gigantic.

I'm extremely concerned about this particular dead person.

He came off as, like, a real beast.

Throughout my walk, I could barely function

because of his presence.

He feels like this is his space and nobody who is alive

should be in these areas.

And he can do something about it because he is very violent.

For instance, he grabbed the back of my neck,

and he took his hand away, and then it grew.

Like, the pain grew.

And I was like, "Whoa."

I've never had that happen.

He can also create emotional change within people.

The reason why is because he's so angry.

Basically, if you're in one of his areas,

your personality can, like, change like that,

and you can fly into a rage.

Well, you described a lot of the experiences

the family's been having.

I'm sure you noticed Betty's sling.

Betty, tell Amy about how the fall took place.

We were cleaning the garage, and I was out on the driveway.

Suddenly, I was just on the ground,

but there was absolutely no reason

for me to have fallen.

Is he capable of that?

Yes, yes.

Amy, you also said this guy grabbed you

by the back of the neck.

Yes.

Now Dylan described his headaches to me.

He gets headaches that feel like someone is squeezing

his head all the way around,

and he'll get flashing light migraines,

and he kind of blacks out.

You mentioned the personality changes.

Dylan can be the funniest, happiest, brightest,

most congenial boy in the car on the way home from school.

He can get 1 to 2 feet away from the door to come in the house,

and his mood switches like this.

His face changes.

As soon as we leave, he'll be fine again.

The majority of what you're talking about,

I think, has to do with him,

but there's also something else going on too.

I encountered a deceased woman during my walk.

I am concerned about her.

She appeared, initially, to be stuck in her death state.

Very terrifying, pretty graphic and gory,

like a walking corpse.

She had tree limbs sticking out of her.

I believe that she was murdered.

So she has a lot of hate in her.

I didn't come across any female murder victims in my research,

but you said you're concerned about her?

Yes. She can harm the living and do bad things.

She specifically goes to the room at the end of the hall.

I got that the person that she was messing with was a female

and was about 17 years of age.

I saw her leaning over this female,

and this was odd.

So she's, like, leaning, and she's cupping her face,

and then she's drooling into the girl's mouth.

I think whoever is back there has experiences with her.

I think that there would be illnesses

because this dead female's with her all the time.

And, essentially, she's slowly taking this person's life.

I knew it. I knew it.

Well, Amy, that bedroom you're talking about is Morgan's room.

That's been one of the greatest fears

is that she would be under attack,

and we wouldn't know because she couldn't express it.

I had a sketch done of what I saw in your daughter's bedroom.

I just want to prepare you, it's not great.

Oh, dear God.

That look on her face in this picture will haunt me.

Horrifying, yeah.

That's terrible.

It's like a worst nightmare.

I just want to get this thing away from her.

And I just want to get out my hands on this thing.

There's another entity I encountered

that's even a bigger threat

than all the other dead people I've talked about.

It creates a lot of negativity for you.

The interesting thing about the entity

that I got when I was here

was that it likes to turn good people bad.

And it doesn't prey on the weak, which is unusual.

But this thing likes a challenge.

So it prefers to pick stronger people.

So, initially, I didn't understand fully what it was.

But later on, I figured out that it was in fact

a demonic-type entity.

You and your mom both thought that Dylan was possessed.

Wait, what?

Tell Amy what happened.

Dylan was taking a bath, and he was getting too wild,

then he started saying,

"Please, God, don't let him take me!"

And he became so hysterical.

He sat in the living room chair for 45 minutes,

unable to see me even though I was right in front of him.

And then, all of a sudden, he just looked at me

and kind of went, like,

"Oh, Mom. What are you doing?"

I'm very worried about your kids.

Your daughter is slowing being killed.

And your son is being possessed

and could ultimately lose his battle,

and who knows what could happen then?

Oh, my God.

Nobody should be putting their hands on my kids.

I'm just shaking.

I am so upset by all of this.

This cannot keep happening.

I won't let it happen.

And I'll do anything,

anything to stop it.

Well, Bobbie, Betty, you've heard a lot tonight,

probably a hell of a lot more than you bargained for.

Yeah. Oh, yes.

But we still haven't answered your biggest question.

Can you stay here safely with your family,

or is the only option

to just pack up with the kids and leave?

For that answer, I'm going to turn it over to Amy.

If you were to stay, what you would need to do

is find a demonologist.

The demonologist would probably not be able to remove the demon.

But it would be more of keeping it

at bay from your home and your children.

The problem with that

is that it would be an ongoing battle.

I don't know if you would want to live that way.

After that, you'd still have to deal

with all of the dead people.

If you were in their shoes, what would you do?

I would leave.

I'm sorry.

Oh, my God.

If they leave, do they have to do anything else?

Yes.

You would go to the place that the demonologist has set aside.

The team that that person has put together

would then remove all attachments

and also, more than likely,

perform an exorcism on your son and your daughter

just to make sure that all is clear.

Okay? Oh, my God.

I'm so sorry.

This is devastating, really devastating.

I'm sorry.

They get the demonologist in, they exorcise the kids,

then she leaves.

Will she start to feel better?

Will the kids start to feel better?

Yes. Oh, my gosh, yes.

What are you going to do?

I'm going to find myself a new place to live,

and I'm going to call the demonologist,

and I'm going to get it done.

And I'm going to help her because I can't do

without my grandchildren.

We've already lost one.

I'm not going to lose my others, not going to do it.

The only way Bobbie can save her family

is to move as far away as possible.

If she does that and contacts a demonologist

to remove all attachments,

she and her kids can begin to heal

and live a peaceful life.

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