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There were people who died out here.

Chaos is happening, lots of fighting going on.

I don't think anyone should have to be afraid.

And I am.

People are afraid of her.

I don't want anything to hurt my baby.

I just feel fear, fear, fear.

This is driving me insane.

This seems like a possession.

My name is Amy Allan.

Everything was built on blood.

I see dead people.

Very disturbing.

I speak to dead people.

There's victims around him. Ow.

And they speak to me.

Her voice sounds like death.

But there's only one way to know if my findings are real.

The living don't stand a chance here.

I rely on my partner.

I'm Steve Di Schiavi.

I'm a retired New York City homicide detective.

You could have got killed.

And I know every person, every house has secrets.

This is coming straight from Hell.

It's my job to reveal them.

Your mom was murdered right here in this room?

Yes, she was.

But Steve and I never speak...

We never communicate during an investigation.

...until the very end...

This was just the beginning.

...when we uncover if it's safe for you to stay...

Oh, my God.

...or time to get out.

They're very bad.

This house is going to kill me.

I'm in the small town of Dumfries, Virginia,

just 25 miles south of D.C.

I got a call from a desperate lady

who says the town's historic museum

she works at has become a paranormal war zone.

People are seeing all sorts of crazy things

and getting physically attacked.

She says, if we can't help her,

someone's gonna get seriously hurt.

Before Amy arrives,

I clear the area of any leading information.

This museum has a lot of historic items,

photographs and religious icons

that have to be covered or removed.

When I'm done, the location

will be ready for tonight's walk.

The dead here are upset about

some of the structural and land changes.

Trying to let their anger, like, go.

'Cause I don't want to fixate on that.

And it's, like...

I'm seeing, uh, this big graveyard.

And then I see this house.

And it's inside the graveyard.

That is so weird.

Unless there's been a ton of deaths here, I don't know.

It doesn't make any sense.

When we spoke on the phone,

you sounded, um, scared, for lack of a better word.

What's -- what's going on here?

This place, um, is a dream job for me.

But my hopes here are getting dashed,

because the amount of the paranormal activity here

has been downright frightening.

You've got to be afraid to come to work every day.

Sometimes, I have to admit,

I'll pull into the parking space.

And I will hesitate when I get out of my car.

So why don't you just leave? It's a job, right?

I love this place.

It would be heartbreaking. I don't want to give it up.

When I drove up, I saw the two buildings here.

Yes. The building we're in right now

is the annex building.

The house on the corner is the actual museum house.

And that was constructed back in the 1700s.

Both, um, buildings on the property,

there's restoration efforts going on year-round.

What are you guys experiencing?

Footsteps, voices,

dark shadows moving through the room,

doors opening, closing.

It's been, um, getting physical.

Been on tours

and we have had guests who have been touched,

uh, their clothes pulled on,

things of that nature.

Now, what kind of tours do you do here?

We do a historic tour.

And, in October, we do haunted tours.

- Oh. - Mm-hmm.

That could be a problem.

There are some people who come here specifically

for that, you know, want to investigate.

So what are you hoping we can do for you?

My dearest wish is not to leave here.

I don't think anyone should have to be afraid.

And I am.

There's a male here. He's apparently inside.

And he says, "Hi!

Welcome! I'm Uncle Bob!"

Uh, he's a big guy.

Uh, I think he was an owner.

Any interaction with the living?

Uh, he goes, "I talk to them all the time."

He even says people have taken pictures of him.

He doesn't...care for certain aesthetics

that are here.

The way he expresses his dislike,

uh, is by pounding on the ceilings,

messing with the light fixtures and the lights.

Living people will physically hear

and see this phenomena happening.

Okay, Erica.

So tell me what's going on in here.

To begin with, we hear footsteps happen all during the day.

Uh, sometimes it sounds

like just one man walking in heavy boots.

Sometimes it sounds like

there's a whole troop of men.

When you hear that,

do you go upstairs at all to investigate?

Absolutely not.

Okay. There anything else?

I've seen a full-bodied apparition.

He came in through our side door,

walked down our hallway

and disappeared into our kitchen.

Okay. Anything else?

- Well, I had my hair pulled. - So what happened?

Well, I was touring some guests.

And I felt fingers slide up the back of my head.

And then I felt those fingers tighten.

And then my hair was yanked. - Okay.

The obvious question I'm gonna ask,

"Was anybody behind you?"

There was no one behind me.

That was probably the most disturbing thing about it.

I think there's some maybe little negative things

that he does to the living.

But he knows that, at times,

people misinterpret his touch.

Uncle Bob doesn't know how they see him.

Ugh.

He's, like, telling me that any other dead people

are just simply not important.

This is driving me insane.

I feel like he's trying to cover something up.

He's saying, "I'm the king of this castle."

And he's, like, smothering me.

So, Erica, why'd you take me out here to the park?

Because one of my more

horrifying experiences happened here.

I saw, uh, a shadow figure.

Okay, describe it to me.

I saw a shape that had to have been at least 7 foot tall.

It was humanoid in that it had two arms and two legs.

But the way it moved wasn't like a human.

And, as it moved away,

its legs elongated like a spider.

It was the strangest thing I've ever seen in my life

and absolutely terrifying.

It scared me to death.

Now, have you ever seen anything that looked like that again?

Not quite like that.

I do see shadow figures out here, but not as tall.

I see them often, along our fence line.

You know this is not normal, right?

Oh, I'm well aware of that.

I love this place.

And I don't want to leave it.

There's a lot of men,

uh, moving about, uh, working.

And I'm feeling like there were people who died out here.

So how would it affect the living?

I think, you know, they might hear things.

They might see, like, men.

I just feel awful, though.

Mmm.

Very sick, sick and dizzy and, like,

I think that living people would not feel good out there.

I just feel sick.

Uhh.

So, Joann, how long have you been the director here?

- Eight years. - Eight years.

- Yes. - Now, from what I understand,

we're lucky that you're even talking with me right now.

Is that right? - That's correct.

- What happened? - I ended up in the hospital.

I was basically told that I was on the verge of dying.

- You're kidding me. - No.

Okay. So the doctors know what happened to you?

No.

Okay.

I'm seeing five men.

There's a woman walking around bringing drinks.

These men are drinking, arguing.

Chaos is happening.

Ooh, ooh, lots of fighting going on.

What they're doing is not right.

Uh, so it's thick.

And it just zaps you, just zaps you.

So how would it affect the living?

It would make them very, very tired, very tired.

And it could affect their potassium level,

which is not good,

which could bring on heart issues.

Do you have any experiences

that you can share with me?

I've had my son literally be thrown down the stairs.

- The stairs here? - Yes.

Now, did your son get hurt?

No, luckily not.

Did you see it happen?

Three other people saw it happen.

So he's lucky he's okay.

You got to be concerned that one of your patrons

might fall down a flight of stairs.

- Yes, very much so. - Okay.

So is there anything else going on here?

Well, I've seen and heard an old man in here.

He's in older, uh, clothing. - Okay.

Uh, and he looks like he's from the 1700s.

I've seen him move books.

What are you hoping we can do now that we're here now?

Anything to keep us safe, that is the main thing.

Okay.

There's a man in here who's just crying.

I think that people would hear a man crying and,

like, screaming and yelling.

If people were around him a lot,

uh, they would experience

a great amount of depression.

I think that he, uh, might interact

with the living often, uh,

because he doesn't know he's dead.

It's possible that they might see an app--

apparition with him.

Because he's so --

he is pretty damn solid.

He's super, like, physical.

So, Natalie, I understand that you work here.

- Mm-hmm. - Okay. Uh, what do you do?

I'm a volunteer. I do tours.

Okay. So how do you like working here?

It's gotten intense with the spirits and stuff.

I'm very uncomfortable. I'm also pregnant, too.

And I'm very protective of my baby.

I don't want anything to hurt my baby.

Okay.

Tell me about some experiences you've had in here.

I saw a floating head of a slave.

A what?

It was, like, just a floating face.

And it just...Boom!

It was, like, really fast.

It scared me to death.

You doing anything that may make you hallucinate,

seeing floating heads? - No.

Okay, so anything else?

Yes. I was in the annex building.

And I felt pressure on my chest.

It was really intense to the point

where I couldn't breathe,

like I was having a heart attack, practically.

I could feel pressure. I could feel it was a man.

And it was just angry.

Okay. So I'm curious.

I mean, how heavy of a feeling? Just demonstrate to me.

- Kind of like... - Oh, I see what you're saying,

like a body was just leaning on ya.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Laying on me.

I've been touched a lot, too.

The first tour we gave, I was standing over here.

And I felt cold hands going through my hair.

And I've been touched on my back.

I've been tugged at.

I've been touched on my legs, feet.

Now, when you say you've been touched in those areas,

were you talking in a sexual way?

Or just a... - Just like a touch.

Just like a touch, cold touch I could feel.

Okay.

Well, why the hell are you sticking around?

'Cause the family, I love the family here.

We've all grown so close together.

I don't want to go.

Okay.

There's a woman, and she's crying.

I think, if a living person is around her enough,

uh, they might develop various illnesses.

She's prone to tantrums.

People are afraid of her.

If they get in her way,

I feel like, uh,

they might feel like they're being slapped

or pushed, uh, physically.

I don't want to piss her off.

Just how physical can she get?

I think that she can shove them and, you know,

like, push them down the stairs.

Oh She can harm people.

The second I got out of town,

I called a few local historians.

One name kept coming up over and over again, the Merchants.

When I called the local genealogist,

he told me a Merchant family

really did live on the property.

And they had a lot of heartache while they were there.

Don, I know Richard Merchant

lived on my client's property at some point.

What can you tell me about him?

Well, the Merchant family,

uh, has been prominent in Dumfries

for over 200 years.

This guy Richard sounds like a rich kid.

Yes. You can tell from the way

he's dressed that, uh, he has some money.

Okay, so what's his story?

He gets married in 1877.

His wife is Annie Spieks.

What do we know about her?

She was, uh, about the same social level as he was.

So, Don, you mentioned on the phone

that the family had a lot of heartache.

Uh, what'd you mean by that?

Well, they had four children,

three of whom died young and tragically.

The first child was a boy named James.

And he only lived 6 months.

There's no official record of his, uh, death.

The second child was also a boy named,

uh, Richard Jr. - Okay.

And, uh, lived to the age of 4.

We do have a death certificate for him.

Okay.

And it shows that he died of meningitis.

Okay, so this kid suffered before he died.

- Yes. - What was the third death?

The third child was, uh, Mary Frances.

In 1906, she died of an epileptic seizure

at the age of 23.

How did Richard and the wife handle this?

Not well, apparently.

Only 6 months after Mary Frances died,

Richard died.

This is a copy of his obituary.

Oh, he was only 54 when he died.

Okay, what's he dying of? - Don't really know.

There's no official death certificate for him.

Okay. So now the wife,

Annie's left without her husband,

lost three children now. What happens with Annie?

She stays on the property for the rest of her life

with her one remaining child.

This is a picture of her

shortly after her husband died.

So, when you said this family

suffered some heartache on the property,

you aren't kidding. - No.

Okay.

Crying lady.

She's gone through a lot of losses in her life.

Uh, I think she lost several children.

It seems to me like she's very spoiled.

So I'm thinking she might've come from money.

Definitely a big complainer,

big complainer, big-time martyr.

People are afraid of her.

So far, I've got clients

being physically assaulted on a property

where one of the original owners lost three young children.

But I want to see if there's anything else.

Searching through town records,

I find that Dumfries was caught right

in the middle of the Civil War,

and that it changed hands between Confederate

and Union patrols several times.

I'm heading over to meet with a Civil War historian

who says Erica's museum is literally built

over the remains of hundreds of Confederate soldiers.

All right.

David, you mentioned on the phone

there were probably hundreds of, uh, soldiers

buried on the property I'm investigating.

Did all these men die in battle?

Uh, there weren't a lot of casualties from battles.

To be quite honest with you,

most of the casualties that you're gonna see in Dumfries

occur from three things -- from starvation,

from the elements and from disease.

Okay.

In the winter of 1861 and '62, there was a --

a good bit of, uh, issue with weather,

with the elements because it was extremely cold.

Both winters were very rough.

What's your estimate on how many dead

Confederate soldiers are in Dumfries?

It could be as many as 1,000.

Wow. Okay.

I see, like, men marching.

I think they have, like, gray uniforms on.

Somebody's banging the drums.

And I saw frozen dead people.

And they were, like, encrusted in ice.

Then I see... Many people over the years

have died along this path.

What was the age -- average age

for a soldier back then?

Uh, a soldier should be,

you know, 16, 17, 18 years old.

Paint the picture what these kids were going through

when they were stationed there. - It's cold.

There's snow on the ground.

There's a lot of people

camped in a very tight location.

The sanitation is poor...

- Right. - ...at best.

And so, if you have one of those men

that contracts a disease that can be spread,

it spreads like wildfire.

Food is hard to come by, too. People are starving.

This is pretty traumatic for these guys.

Yes, sir, like Hell on earth.

I'm seeing the crying man again.

He didn't have any food.

He doesn't like the conditions.

He -- he saw a lot of bad stuff.

Like, he's showing me a memory

that he has of a guy's head exploding.

And he can't get that out of his mind.

He's young.

Uh, I think he's, like, 16, 17, 18.

He's really sick.

Because everybody either died or everybody got sick.

Oh, he's got, like, blood in his mouth.

I feel like he got, like, beaten and, like, shot.

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You know, another thing caught my eye in research.

There was a deadly duel

right next to the grounds of the museum.

This thing goes back to the late 1700s.

So I couldn't find too much on it.

But I'm on my way to meet with a local professor

who says the story involves race,

privilege and bloodshed.

So, Kelly, this duel that happened in --

in the 1700s, were you able to find out anything for me?

Yeah. Actually, it all started

with the Scott family, James and Sarah Scott.

They were wealthy Scottish immigrants.

And they came here.

And he was actually the reverend

of this church right over here.

And the family came over.

They had a 2,000-acre plantation.

They owned 26 slaves.

All right. So now we got rich immigrants

living on my client's property here.

How does that turn into a duel?

There was a little boy named Davy.

He was 7 years old.

He was one of the slaves on there.

Okay.

And, one day, he runs away. And he gets caught.

And he gets brought back to the plantation.

The reverend's wife, Sarah, takes a cane.

And she hits him twice in the head

and kills him. - All right.

So what winds up happening with her?

She goes to trial.

And she gets acquitted.

You're kidding.

18th century, she's white, it's what happened.

I see different, like, laborers working.

And I'm feeling like there were people who died out here.

Like, basically, people were murdered.

But it was claimed to be justice or legal or something.

But it -- but it wasn't really.

Well, I think the people being murdered were --

were black men and women.

I'm just hearing something about justice

and justice being served.

All right.

So how does this turn into a duel?

So, right after Sarah Scott gets off,

there was a local colonel whose name was John Baylis.

And he was very upset by what happened.

Okay, so what -- what'd he do?

So he started doing a smear campaign,

saying that -- that they were dishonorable.

I mean, this was -- this was a reverend and his wife.

And, about two and a half years later,

their son, John Scott,

decided to challenge him to a duel

because of all the pain

he was causing their family socially.

Okay, so what happens with that?

So, on September 24, 1765,

the duel took place right here.

And the whole town came out to watch this happen.

And John Scott decides to have his brother-in-law,

Cuthbert Bullitt, stand in for him.

Okay.

So the kid that starts the duel doesn't even...

Nope, he doesn't even participate.

Okay. So how's the duel go down?

They do their traditional 13 paces.

And John Baylis is the one who's supposed to fire first.

And he shoots, and he misses.

Yeah. So Bullitt shoots him,

hits him in the groin and the thigh.

Here's the newspaper article about it right here.

Okay.

And he ends up bleeding to death

after 5 hours. - All right.

So it sounds like this guy got hit

and then slowly bled out. - Yep.

I mean, you talk about a miserable death.

This guy really suffered before he died.

I'm -- I'm getting, like, something about

a impact to a male.

Confusion, uh, stumbling.

Really don't feel very good.

He's dying.

So he's stuck in that pre-death state.

I just feel a lot of panic, like, fear, fear, fear.

Just feel awful, though.

Hmm, very sick.

I saw several dead people on my walk.

But the crying woman

attacking the living concerned me the most.

She was very thin and frail.

Her mouth just looked sad and angry.

And this elderly female

is socking a nondescript male in the face.

Amy, is this who you saw?

Yes, that's who I saw.

Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations,

we're ready to reveal our findings to each other

and our clients for the first time.

So, Amy, this must be one hell of a place to work.

Because, after what these two ladies have been through,

I can't believe they're even sitting here.

This is Erica. She's the assistant director.

Uh, this is Natalie.

She's a volunteer for a few months now.

And they've been through hell.

Now, Erica called us in because she's afraid

of somebody getting hurt.

And, if that happens,

they're gonna have to shut down the museum.

So, now that Amy knows a little bit about you guys,

I'm gonna ask her to describe her walk.

I saw the main building inside a graveyard,

which I thought was really odd.

That indicated to me that it was possible

that a lot of deaths had, uh, occurred.

I walked around the yard. The first people

that I encountered were in gray uniforms.

And they were marching.

And I kept hearing, like, this weird drum beat.

And then I got that there were a lot of people

who were extremely ill.

And then I saw a lot of bodies

that were encased in ice and frost.

Well, I might be able to explain what you saw.

Right now, there's a good chance

that we're sitting on the remains

of some Confederate soldiers.

Now, they wore gray uniforms.

From what I was told, about 1,000 of 'em died right here.

During the war, the soldiers

were camped out right on these grounds.

Conditions were hellish, freezing-cold temperatures,

no running water, no sanitation.

Food was scarce. It was basically Hell on Earth.

Hundreds died from starvation,

freezing to death,

disease and basically

were buried right where they died.

That absolutely makes sense.

I walked to houses.

Which house did you go into first?

- The bigger house. - Which is the annex.

The annex.

The only thing I was able to get there

was this older man.

And he was this extraordinarily dominant personality.

As soon as I walked up and opened the door,

he's like, "Hi!

You can call me Uncle Bob!"

He was a rather big guy.

Uh, he looked like he was some type of farmer.

He said that he tries

to interact with the living a lot over there.

He said that he tries to talk to them a lot.

He has tried to take pictures with them.

He says that he tries to show people around,

but they misinterpret his touch.

You mentioned that this guy had his picture taken?

Sure, yeah. He wants to be

the center of attention all the time.

In October, you guys do this thing.

Tell Amy about...

In October, we do, um, ghost walks.

And we take a walk going from our annex

to the cemetery

and then to the house.

Like, you're not harassing...

No, we have a very strict code of conduct...

- Oh, okay. Good. - ...that we maintain.

He also dislikes very much

what's happening to the building.

And, when he gets angry,

he'll do things like bang on the ceilings.

Um, and it's actually him, like, jumping from the floor

and, like, hitting, you know, hitting the ceilings.

Tell Amy about knocks and bangs.

Constant.

A lot of knocks, bangs,

it's on and off all throughout the day.

When he gets upset, like,

he throws a tantrum like he's a 2-year-old.

Like, he's a f-- like, weirdo.

Uh, he got really in my space

and started to, like, kind of smother me.

I was thinking that the living might experience

that feeling as well.

Yeah, I've experienced that, like, something,

just pressure on my shoulders

and my chest where I couldn't breathe.

I mean, it was really intense to the point

where I had to get up and leave the building.

It was actually not long after I started working there

that I had a few issues where I was feeling

like I couldn't catch my breath.

And I was just, you know, I had to kind of step outside

and, you know, get it together.

Is that this -- this guy?

Yes.

I do not like being in the office by myself,

um, because I feel something there.

He could become more of a sexual predator, um,

and could go further with acting his desires out.

Mean -- I mean, it can end up in -- into rape.

Okay. Anything else?

So I finally went into the main house, the little one.

And I went into the room where there's, like,

a dining room table and a fireplace.

There were, like, four or five males.

Uh, they were all white.

There was a woman

who was, like, giving them drinks and food.

And they were all having this, like, heated argument.

And there was a lot of anger.

It was extremely chaotic.

And it could be dangerous for the living, um,

because it's so much energy there

that it could tap a living person's energy

and cause their potassium level to drop.

And also, just being in that situation,

it absolutely drains you.

So you'll feel fatigued in that room and tired.

Sometimes, I go in.

It's heavy. It's oppressive.

I feel, um, wiped out.

I'm sorry. I'm getting upset.

I've been in that side of the house.

And I was actually making my way towards the stairway.

And -- and this feeling came over me.

It was just like, you know, when you --

you know, when you really want to cry?

Mm-hmm.

And it's that feeling like you're just gonna cry.

So I've experienced that on a couple of occasions.

Now, Natalie, you're pregnant.

You're a couple weeks, right? - Yeah, yeah.

I'm -- I'm worried now that it --

after what you just said about the room in there,

could that affect my baby, hurt my baby in any way?

Okay, anything else?

So this individual I'm...concerned about.

Um, she's a bit of trouble.

She's depressed.

And she, like, is full of, like, self-pity.

And, when I first encountered her,

she was just crying and crying and crying.

She's very used to getting her own way.

And if she doesn't get her own way,

she literally, like a child, throws a tantrum.

And the ways that she can lash out towards the living,

what she indicated was that she could slap people.

She could shove people.

People can get sick from her.

I think that people could possibly see her.

I was giving a tour.

And I could feel, uh, hands going up --

a hand going up the back of my head

and then fisting my hair and yanking it.

- Whoa! - So it yanked my head back.

It was strong enough.

And it was -- and I actually got verbal.

I said, "Stop, please."

That -- would -- that would've been her?

Yeah.

I've been touched on my butt.

I've been touched on my back, my shoulders.

I've been touched a lot.

The other problem is

you've had people pushed down those stairs.

Yes, at least that I know of,

on three occasions.

Oh, she really did it, huh?

One of the things that I saw

was her going after a living male.

And so I did have a sketch done.

She ain't playing games, is she?

No.

That's...

It's creepy.

It makes me feel uncomfortable.

You have any idea who this woman might've been in life?

She looked to be about in her, uh, 30s,

early 30s, I would say.

And the way she was dressed, she just had on,

like, a white dressing gown, you know, for bed.

And, uh, so I was thinking

maybe she was from the 1800s.

I got that she, you know,

obviously had been exposed to money at some point.

She indicated that she had lost several children,

that that's why she's always so depressed and crying.

Um, then she said about her death that she got sick.

Uh, it -- like, it came on really quickly.

And she died really quickly from her illness.

And that she was older when she died

than what I was seeing her as,

in her 60s or maybe 70s, when she died,

and she looked really, really bad.

You got a woman who comes from money

who lost a few kids around the 1800s.

I mean, I might have something for you here.

Annie Merchant and her husband, Richard, um,

moved on to the property in 1881.

Now, both of them came from money.

In fact, they were basically given the land

by his parents, his mother.

So they had four kids, but three of them died.

Wow.

The husband, Richard, also died young.

I got his obit here.

You can see they really have no idea how he died.

She lived on the property

all alone for many years.

Um, she finally died in 1952 at the age of 98.

Whoa.

I was able to track down a photo of her.

Dang.

Um, in the photo, she's probably in her 60s.

Okay.

Um, wondering if that might be who's haunting this place.

Oh, yeah. That looks like her.

This is the one that's been touching me.

That scares me that --

that she could cause a miscarriage for me.

I would be nervous because I could see her

being jealous and acting out, lashing out.

I'm about to cry, too. 'Cause that's scary.

That -- that makes me feel like I don't want to be here.

But I -- I -- I don't want to leave my family.

I don't want to leave 'em.

Sorry, I'm about to break down.

It's okay.

Yeah, I completely understand.

I mean, of course, we'd -- we'd hate to lose her.

I mean, we don't want you to go. But, I mean -- but we --

um, I mean, I -- I -- take care of yourself.

So my concern with her, um, is that she would jump

to the next level and start killing.

I think she has that potential.

I'm glad I know what's going on here now.

Gonna have to protect me and my baby.

So I got to say that you two ladies have been very loyal

and dedicated to this museum.

And I hope this town is grateful for that.

But it's still just a building.

You know, my concern is you guys and your baby.

So now we're gonna find out

if it's safe for you guys to stay here.

For that, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.

There's obviously things that need to be done

to ensure people's safety.

And that goes for staff, volunteers and visitors.

So what I recommend doing is a cleansing

by taking a bunch of, like, old towels or rags

and putting them in, uh, salt water

and then going and wiping down the walls,

everything in the room.

And what it does is it brings in good energy.

It removes any kind of depression

that's floating around in the air.

It's, like, really a wonderful, uh, thing to use.

As far as the two dead that are issues,

so this Uncle Bob guy and the woman,

my suggestion is to bring in a minister

who will go into both locations

and do a blessing.

During that blessing,

he also needs to make a statement

directly to these deceased individuals

that you guys need to leave.

You are no longer welcome here.

You need to leave.

Give 'em a week after he leaves

and does his blessing. Give 'me a week.

If activity is still going on,

if they're still being idiots

and they choose not to go,

then the minister will have to come back

and do an exorcism.

How are you feeling about the whole exorcism thing

if things don't work out?

The alternative is unthinkable.

I mean, we're not going to shut our doors.

So we're willing to do what we need to do.

So, as far as the other dead go, um, could they stay?

I feel like they can.

Because they're not causing any problems or anything.

You're upset you can't be here for while.

Yeah. I'm very upset.

But it's not a --

a -- a lifetime thing, you know?

You'll be back.

Well, you've definitely given us insight

on what we've got going on and given us direction.

And that within itself is priceless for us.

If Erica follows my suggestions,

she'll be able to keep the museum

she loves open for years to come.

And, more importantly, she'll be able

to have her friend, Natalie, by her side.

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